#raspberrypi IRC Log


IRC Log for 2015-05-18

Timestamps are in GMT/BST.

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[0:45] <Froolap> I give up
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[0:51] <Xark> Large cell phones are okay though, right? :)
[0:52] * Xark selects his weapon -> https://imgur.com/aYs9zkV
[0:54] <cehteh> http://www.express.de/image/view/2012/5/21/16442320,13170708,highRes,qcek8t8h.bmp.jpg that was a cellphone
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[0:55] <Xark> cehteh: Yeah. I remember a friend had one in the early 90s. (I think even a bit bigger than that one...)
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[0:57] <SineDeviance> Ah, the good old Moto cinderblock
[0:57] <Xark> Indeed.
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[0:57] <SineDeviance> 45 whole minutes of talk time guys!
[0:57] <SineDeviance> So amazing
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[1:01] <Froolap> what's talk time?
[1:01] <ozzzy> I had a nokia brick back in the 90s
[1:01] <ozzzy> was a great phone
[1:01] <Froolap> the time on irc between when you type and the last time someone talked in channel?
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[1:03] <SineDeviance> Froolap: no I was talking about the cellphone
[1:04] <SineDeviance> The early ones had less than an hour's worth if battery life
[1:04] <SineDeviance> Of*
[1:04] <SineDeviance> My dad had a carphone in the 90s, he was one of the cool kids
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[1:05] <niston> lol Xark ^^
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[1:07] * niston chooses this http://www.jacomet.ch/blog/wp-content/20070803-natel-c-02.jpg
[1:08] * Xark surrenders... :)
[1:08] <niston> clocking in at a bone crushing 4kg!
[1:08] <niston> haha xD
[1:09] <niston> lol? http://www.winecommonsewer.com/photos/uncategorized/2007/10/11/nokia_urban_cell_phone_2.jpg
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[1:12] <niston> hmm.. I had this one, a loooong time ago http://nokiamuseum.info/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/Nokia-2180.jpg
[1:13] <niston> had a bigger battery pack for it, it had insane standby time
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[1:18] <SineDeviance> niston: who DIDN'T have one of those back in the day?
[1:19] <SineDeviance> A Nokia was like the thing to have in the late 90s/early 00s
[1:19] <SineDeviance> People still use the 8210s today
[1:20] <niston> Encapsulation: is the pump grounded somehow?
[1:20] <niston> SineDeviance: yeah. also the "manager banana", the click-slide-out-one they used in matrix
[1:20] <niston> by the end of the 90s, everyone seemed to have one of those
[1:20] <SineDeviance> Haha
[1:20] <SineDeviance> Yeah
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[1:20] <SineDeviance> And then the T-Mobile sidekick came along
[1:21] <niston> also, OGO
[1:21] <SineDeviance> Apparently drug dealers are still using the 8210s
[1:21] <SineDeviance> No GPS
[1:21] <niston> yeah
[1:21] <niston> although
[1:21] <SineDeviance> http://www.vice.com/read/the-uks-drug-dealers-love-the-nokia-8210-988
[1:21] <niston> sim toolkit still works
[1:22] <niston> also silent sms and triangulation via base stations
[1:22] <niston> found an app the other day called snoopsnitch
[1:23] <niston> it supposedly shows stealth/binary sms, as well as some SS7 attacks
[1:23] <niston> also warns of IMSI catchers
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[1:25] <Sonny_Jim> The police don't use the onboard GPS to work out where a phone is, it's done through base stations
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[1:25] <Sonny_Jim> So the 8210 is fairly useless for that
[1:25] <niston> yeah
[1:25] <Sonny_Jim> A better choice would be a VOIP phone on a data plan
[1:25] * niston worked for a shop who provided this very "service" to law enforcement
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[1:26] <Froolap> I prefer my tin cans on a string, no line taps
[1:26] <niston> a fiber optic cable and quantum cryptographic encryption would help
[1:27] <niston> but then
[1:27] <niston> theres TEMPEST
[1:27] <niston> so you need a faraday cage as well
[1:28] <SpeedEvil> Couple of SD cards with a OTP on - sorted
[1:28] <niston> :>
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[1:29] * niston wonders if there are OTP keystreams on some satellites
[1:30] <aqquadro> hi to say good night :)
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[1:34] <zanzacar> I am working on a python module to read serial inputs through /dev/ttyAMA0. I was wondering if it was possible to emulate receiving data on /dev/ttyAMA0 since I don't have the hardware setup yet to send the information over the serial port yet.
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[1:54] <tawr> of course it is Zan
[1:54] <tawr> doh, just saw he left
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[2:33] <blonkel> hmm i got trouble rebooting my raspberry
[2:34] <blonkel> everything is custom, kernel,initrd,rootfs
[2:34] <blonkel> if i type reboot i get "The system is going down for reboot NOW!", as usualy
[2:34] <blonkel> but it doenst reboot, it umount everything but im still on the rootfs
[2:34] <blonkel> if i type another reboot, system is rebooting, any idears?
[2:35] <cehteh> some unclean shutdown?
[2:35] <blonkel> cehteh well i dont know, it seems somehow clean for me
[2:35] <cehteh> be at least happy that it reboots :D
[2:36] <blonkel> yeah, but my firmware upgrade fails to reboot so :P
[2:36] <cehteh> how did you initiate the first reboot?
[2:36] <cehteh> console → reboot?
[2:36] <blonkel> "reboot" on ssh console
[2:36] <blonkel> yeah
[2:36] <blonkel> and the second one, is the same
[2:37] <blonkel> (ssh doesnt get killed on the first reboot command, thats strange somehow too)
[2:37] <blonkel> serial console stays empty =/
[2:37] <cehteh> yes maybe it defers the reboot beauuse someone is logged in? :D
[2:38] <blonkel> good point, but if i initiate it via a script its the same
[2:38] <cehteh> can you initiate a shutdown -r 1 and logout and wait and see
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[2:39] <cehteh> newfangled stuff things its smarter than root :D ... well check the logs and what services are shut down, maybe some init script is hanging
[2:40] <blonkel> cehteh ill will try your shutdown command
[2:41] <niston> hmm
[2:41] <niston> ARM Holdings Plc stock is quite expensive
[2:41] <niston> do they pay good dividend?
[2:42] <cehteh> ah shutdown -r 1 blocks your console you prolly want to try that within a screen
[2:42] <blonkel> i guess somehow my console is broke anyways
[2:42] <cehteh> mhm
[2:42] <blonkel> i dont get any output about the shutdown
[2:43] <blonkel> so i think ill fix that first
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[2:43] <cehteh> root@raspberrypi:~# shutdown -r 1
[2:43] <cehteh> Broadcast message from root@raspberrypi (pts/2) (Mon May 18 02:43:16 2015):
[2:43] <cehteh> The system is going DOWN for reboot in 1 minute!
[2:43] <cehteh> ^C
[2:43] <cehteh> Shutdown cancelled.
[2:43] <cehteh> ... thats what i get here
[2:43] <blonkel> shutdown seems it did is job (like reboot did)
[2:43] <blonkel> but only the first reboot
[2:43] <blonkel> now im unable to login
[2:43] <blonkel> again :)
[2:43] <blonkel> Server refused to allocate pty
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[2:44] <blonkel> at least over ssh
[2:44] <cehteh> do you have ssh controlmaster stuff enabled, persistent connections?
[2:45] <blonkel> i dont think so
[2:45] <cehteh> what init system is there?
[2:45] <blonkel> default config
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[2:45] <blonkel> systemV
[2:46] <cehteh> mhm guess you have to debug a bit more
[2:46] <cehteh> its certainly some init (script) related stuff
[2:46] <blonkel> guess so too, thanks for your thoughts :)
[2:47] <blonkel> hmm i see currently /init hasnt any return value
[2:47] <blonkel> maybe thats the reason?
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[2:47] <blonkel> (initramfs)
[2:47] <cehteh> i dont get you
[2:48] <cehteh> you are stuck in the initramfs prompt or what?
[2:48] <cehteh> (i hate that :D)
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[2:48] <blonkel> no its booting, everything is okay
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[2:49] <blonkel> but maybe its returning after i shutdown my kernel or something?
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[2:49] <blonkel> its not properly 'ended' with return 0 or something after switch_root
[2:50] <blonkel> but well i dont thats the reason.. hmm
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[3:03] <nownot> looking at trying retropi with mame and nes, how does the pi2 perform for these emulators?
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[4:30] <Encapsulation> nooooooooooo
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[6:20] <edman007> Hey, anyone here use a UVC camera on the pi? I'm trying to use gstreamer in my application, and I'm getting boatloads of framedrop (and I'm forcing the exposure as well to make sure the camera can keep up with my exposure requirements)
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[6:30] <edman007> is UVC just really slow on the pi?
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[6:43] <DANtheBEASTman> any ideas on good places to shop for components?
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[6:44] <Encapsulation> radio shack w/ store closing sale
[6:45] <Xark> It uses a slow UART, so it can't be fast. IIRC, it does have an SD card on it...
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[7:17] <Zanzacar> I am not familiar with serial ports on linux enough and was wondering if it is possible to write emulate information coming through the /dev/ttyAMA0 port
[7:18] <Zanzacar> I writing some software to read/process data from some hardware but the person working on the hardware isn't done yet
[7:18] <Zanzacar> so I thought if I could write and read from the port at the same time or something like that I wouldn't need to wait for the hardware to be finished
[7:19] <edman007> Zanzacar, yea, it's possible
[7:19] <Zanzacar> can you point me in the write direction on where I might be able to read up on how to do that?
[7:19] <edman007> yea, one minute, I'm not too sure what it would be called, let me check...
[7:20] <Zanzacar> Thats what I had a problem with, I wasn't sure what to call it so I was kind of lost
[7:21] <edman007> see `man openpty`, you want to use a pty, that is a serial port, only it's just a pair of serial ports
[7:21] <edman007> so you could write an application on both ends that expects a serial port, and just use those
[7:22] <edman007> have your emulator write to the pty, and your app can connect to it as well
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[7:22] <Zanzacar> that should work thanks I really appreciate it
[7:23] <edman007> specifically, forkpty() can get called in your app to launch the emulator as a new process on the other end of your serial port
[7:23] <ShorTie> can't you hook rx to tx and it will echo back to it's self
[7:24] <Zanzacar> i am not sure how to hook. I am new to Serial data flow to be totall honest
[7:24] <Zanzacar> part of the reason i am working on the project
[7:25] <ShorTie> piece of wire
[7:25] <edman007> they make a dummy connector you can hook up to the thing, but then your app will see itself, not an emulator
[7:25] <Zanzacar> oh thats interesting
[7:25] <edman007> if you have two way communication to an emulator it doesn't really work
[7:26] <edman007> a pty is two serial connection, so you have two places to read, and two to write, and they are crossed, so you can connect two programs to it
[7:26] <edman007> err, one serial connection with two ends
[7:27] <Zanzacar> I mainly just want to receive information of the serial port and process it. Its just packest of data.
[7:27] <Zanzacar> which I could just test with strings, but the interesting thing with the serial ports is that you would need to deal with the baud rates
[7:28] <Zanzacar> but I guess if you just have that set the same on the tx and rx then it wouldn't matter
[7:28] <Zanzacar> I guess I should just test my modules with strings and not deal with all the packets
[7:29] <edman007> yea, I'd use a pty, especially if you don't have the hardware, using a wire to loop it back is good for testing things like configuring baud rates, but I believe a pty just emulates all that stuff (though might be kinda infinite speed in pratice)
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[7:30] <edman007> if you really need the hardware to work right, crossing the wires is a good idea, it lets you use real drivers, but the serial drivers have been long standardized, and it's not too different from just a pty
[7:31] <Zanzacar> ya I am looking into pty at the moment
[7:32] <edman007> the big downside of connecting wires is if your application is suppose to request X, and it responds with Y, if you cross the wires, then you request X, and get a request for X (so it's probably wrong), there is no space for an emulator in there
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[7:33] <Zanzacar> ya that isn't how I would want it to go. For the most part I wont be sending any request. There will just be occasional packets coming across the serial ports to process
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[8:02] <Oksana> Just in case you haven't heard about this yet... https://getvero.tv/
[8:03] <Oksana> Next generation of Raspbmc ^ OSMC
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[8:06] <Oksana> Apologies for abrupt visit and quick leave, but I am not interested in Raspberry, yet...
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[8:18] <NedScott> yes, thanks for the vero spam....
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[8:23] <sgo11> Hi, I monitor my pi2's power. it's using 2W and 2.4W maximum. My power supply is 5V/2A. 2W and 2.4W mean about 0.4A and 0.48A current. is this normal and correct? because when I plug a USB microphone, sometimes my ssh session meets latency issue. what is the problem? thanks.
[8:24] <tawr> yes, your power supply can output 10w
[8:24] <tawr> it's not a power issue, it's the kernel/os identifying the device and loading device drivers for it
[8:25] <tawr> when you say latency issue, are we talking about a few milliseconds, dead-screen for a minute?
[8:25] <sgo11> tawr, but the problem is my power supply never output 10w for my pi2. the pi2 is only using 2.4W maximum. oh. it's not a power issue...
[8:25] <ShorTie> you got monitor hooked up and see the little rainbow square ??
[8:25] <sgo11> tawr, type one letter in ssh session, it waits about 2 seconds to display the letters. after the first letter shows, the rest of them are fast.
[8:25] <tawr> lol nice catch mid-sentence sgo11 :)
[8:25] <ShorTie> or does the power light blink at all ??
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[8:28] <sgo11> ShorTie, sorry, I don't really follow what you mean. I don't see the little rainbow squire. which power light are we talking about? thanks.
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[8:30] <ShorTie> power light on the pi
[8:30] <sgo11> tawr, so is this a device driver issue? when will my power supply output more than 2.4W? I have been using my pi2 for three days. I never see the power output exceeds 2.4W.
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[8:30] <sgo11> ShorTie, is the power light the red one? it's always stable. never blinks.
[8:31] <ShorTie> the pi will only draw the power it needs
[8:31] <ShorTie> �k�� ��K��
[8:32] <sgo11> ShorTie, maybe sometimes the red light blinks, I never really see it. the green light always blinks.
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[8:33] <ShorTie> it means something if it blinks
[8:33] <sgo11> ShorTie, ÒkÍè ÐøKîÉ ? only unreadable code here.
[8:34] <sgo11> ShorTie, so if the red light blinks, it means there is a power problem, right?
[8:35] <ShorTie> yup.
[8:35] <tawr> sgo11, how long does the lag last for?
[8:35] <tawr> what happens if you plug it in, wait 15 seconds, then try typing?
[8:35] <tawr> or wait 60 seconds after plugging it in to try typing?
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[8:36] <sgo11> ShorTie, got it. thanks a lot. I actually bought 5V/2.4A power supply. because I heard raspi would have many power issues. it seems this power supply is useless. the power output never exceeds 2.4W in three days.
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[8:36] <tawr> remember, both ethernet and any wifi usb stick is over usb. so is what you're plugging in, when it's enumerating and loading drivers there may be a slight slow-down or something.
[8:36] <tawr> wonder if you open top up in a terminal, then plug in the mic if it will show the proccessor maxing out
[8:36] <tawr> or, check dmesg| tail -5 after plugging it in and seeing if there's an error
[8:36] <sgo11> tawr, that latency happens all the time.
[8:36] <tawr> sgo11, you have it backwards sgo11 .
[8:37] <tawr> 2.4w is all the pi is going to pull
[8:37] <ShorTie> 'the power output never exceeds 2.4W in three days' that means nothing, because the pi will only draw/use what it needs
[8:37] <tawr> ^^^^x10
[8:37] <tawr> a 5,000mah power pack will run my pi, usb pen drive, and a 100mw output high-end wifi card for 11 hours.
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[8:37] <ShorTie> have you applied the usb current hack ??
[8:37] <sgo11> tawr, I don't see any errors in dmesg.
[8:41] <sgo11> before I purchased my pi, I read many articles in forum. many people state that most of problems of the pi is due to power supply. it seems this is not true. I don't need a good power supply...
[8:42] <tawr> what
[8:42] <tawr> do you keep talking about sgo11
[8:42] <ShorTie> more power problems come from cheap phone charging micro-usb cables being used then the actual power supply, imho
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[8:42] <tawr> your weird fascination with poewr supplies is starting to be creepy
[8:42] <tawr> seriously, give it up
[8:42] * ShorTie snickers
[8:43] <sgo11> tawr, so what is the network latency caused by? usb driver problem?
[8:43] <tawr> and, for the record, there is FAR MORE to a power supply than just it's "max current output" or it's wattage
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[8:43] <tawr> it's ability to deal with rapidly changing loads, load regulation, voltage regulation, the cleanliness of it's dc output..
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[8:44] <tawr> sgo11, let's ust go with after plugging in your microphone, do not type for 5 seconds
[8:44] <tawr> problem solved
[8:45] <sgo11> tawr, maybe I didn't express clearly. if the latency happens, it happens all the time. when I say it will be fast after the first letter appears. I mean it will be fast for a certain interval, for instance 5 seconds. Does my words make sense?
[8:48] <tawr> no
[8:48] <tawr> you said that when you plug in your USB MICROPHONE, for a few seconds afer you plug it in
[8:48] <tawr> you get ssh terminal lag
[8:48] <tawr> then it clears up
[8:48] <ShorTie> could be the usb is cutting out, that is why i asked if power light blinks
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[8:53] <sgo11> tawr, sorry about my English. let reword my sentence. after I plug in my USB microphone, I didn't use ssh session at all. after a few minutes, I start to use the ssh session. my ssh terminal lags, when I start inputing words. the first letter will take 2 seconds to appear in the ssh session. once it appears, the problem is gone for 5 seconds. after 5 seconds, my ssh lags again. i will need to wait another 2 seconds to see the new input. and again and agai
[8:53] <sgo11> n. something like this. hopefully, it makes sense now.
[8:53] <pmumble> i don't know the pi very well yet, but i do know that the ethernet jack uses the USB bus internally.
[8:54] <pmumble> maybe its related if you're only experiencing network lag with ssh
[8:54] <pmumble> (if it only occurs when the usb microphone is plugged in)
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[8:55] <pmumble> but, i dont know
[8:55] <sgo11> pmumble, yeah, it only occurs after the usb microphone is plugged in.
[8:57] <ShorTie> the network runs over the usb on a pi
[8:57] <tawr> sgo11,
[8:57] <tawr> run top
[8:57] <tawr> and see if something is using a lot of proc/mem
[8:57] <ShorTie> you might be pushing the bandwidth
[8:57] <tawr> ShorTie, hmm, evne if the device isn't 'open'
[8:58] <sgo11> tawr, no. no process is using a lot of proc/mem. does my last explanation make sense? :) sorry about my poor English.
[8:59] <tawr> and dmesg | tail -5
[8:59] <tawr> does not give any errors or anything?
[8:59] <sgo11> tawr, there is no errors except three new UFW blocks.
[9:00] <sgo11> it's like. ssh session lags for 3 seconds. and then working for 5 seconds. and then lags for 3 seconds, and then working for 5 seconds and so on.
[9:01] <sgo11> ok, I just stopped my ufw firewall. i don't think that is the issue anyway.
[9:02] <sgo11> after ufw stops, ssh session still lags.
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[9:04] <pmumble> hm, as a test, maybe you could use dd to copy some data to a usb drive, with and without the microphone active, and see if it is slower with the mic plugged in. that might tell you if the microphone is causing usb bus bandwidth restriction
[9:04] <pmumble> or lag of some kind
[9:04] <pmumble> i dont know if that will work
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[9:04] <pmumble> or maybe try that and see if it causes lag
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[9:06] <sgo11> pmumble, thanks a lot for the suggestion. I will do more test on this.
[9:06] <pmumble> idea from here http://www.binarytides.com/linux-test-drive-speed/
[9:06] <pmumble> just an idea, good luck... i'm interested to hear if you figure it out
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[9:09] <sgo11> I am reading this post. https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=28940&p=255058 this poor guy met a more serious ssh latency issue than mine. :)
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[10:14] <pagios> hi anyone know any good tiny hdmi screen to be mounted on the pi?
[10:14] <pagios> preferably to be a touch hdmi screen
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[10:19] <HotCoder> tawr, here?
[10:19] <tawr> yeah kind of, ewhat's up
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[10:20] <HotCoder> tawr so when i set up the rasp pi will it have a GUI
[10:20] <HotCoder> not just text based
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[10:22] <sgo11> HotCoder, I think you can configure it in "sudo raspi-config".
[10:22] <tawr> no HotCoder. well, kind of
[10:22] <sgo11> the third option. "Enable Boot to Desktop"
[10:22] <HotCoder> tawr like with visible folders and shit
[10:22] <trijntje> what would be the easiest (for non technical people) way to trigger a command on the pi? I'm setting up a pi with openElec for someone and I noticed kodi sometimes hangs and restarting Kodi fixes it
[10:23] <tawr> if you had a usb keyboard, and a monitor, it would show you a simple menu
[10:23] <tawr> no
[10:23] <tawr> go watch a youtube video or something HotCoder
[10:23] <tawr> but no
[10:23] <HotCoder> i did
[10:23] <tawr> no gui
[10:23] <tawr> until you set it up.
[10:23] <tawr> and setup vnc
[10:23] <tawr> then connect to the pi from your laptop
[10:23] <HotCoder> ye ye
[10:23] <tawr> then you'll have your gui, in a window, on your windows
[10:23] <HotCoder> thats what i was saying
[10:23] <tawr> so know
[10:23] <tawr> when you first get it
[10:23] <HotCoder> i meant like, at the end of everything
[10:23] <tawr> i already showed you a picture, HotCoder
[10:23] <HotCoder> will it have a GUI with folders and shit
[10:24] <HotCoder> is it easy to brick a rasp pi?
[10:24] <tawr> dude
[10:24] <tawr> look at the picture i linked you last time
[10:24] <tawr> or do you need me to find the url
[10:24] <Armand> HotCoder: Yeah, hit it with a brick.
[10:25] <Armand> �_�
[10:25] <tawr> i already explained all of this to you over the course of 4 hours
[10:25] <tawr> in pm
[10:25] <tawr> and gave you an account on my pi, and was teaching you linux...
[10:25] <HotCoder> yeah
[10:25] <HotCoder> i lost the picture
[10:25] <HotCoder> its okay tho
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[10:25] <HotCoder> i believe you
[10:25] <tawr> http://spacewarp.co.uk/vncpi.jpg
[10:25] <tawr> there.
[10:26] <tawr> look at the picture
[10:26] <tawr> pay attention.
[10:26] <tawr> notice what's going on
[10:26] <HotCoder> and its windows
[10:26] <HotCoder> ah ok
[10:26] <tawr> yes. it's a windows computer. then, on that windows computer, there is a window. that is the vnc connection to the pi
[10:26] <HotCoder> ah i see
[10:26] <tawr> everything you see in that window, is what would come out on a monitor if you had it plugged into the pi.
[10:27] <HotCoder> and all processing commands sent into that window will be processed on the rasp pi as if it was a real cpu
[10:27] <tawr> it is a real cpu..
[10:27] <HotCoder> ah i see
[10:27] <HotCoder> ye ye
[10:27] <pagios> hi anyone know any good tiny hdmi screen to be mounted on the pi?
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[10:28] <[Saint]> And the combined awards for most and least patient people go to....
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[10:29] <tawr> haha. [Saint], you're too late, shiftplusone already gave me helper of the month and an e-star (budget-cuts) on my e-forehead.
[10:29] <[Saint]> :))
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[10:29] <tawr> how's your day going, [Saint]
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[10:30] <[Saint]> Sufficiently non-terrible.
[10:31] <[Saint]> Too cold, though. 2°C today. :-/
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[10:32] <tawr> Yikes. Wanna trade half and half?
[10:32] <[Saint]> Haha.
[10:32] <tawr> it's 3:20am and it's still 28C
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[10:33] <[Saint]> Oy...nuts to that.
[10:33] <tawr> 33.9C high today
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[10:33] <[Saint]> Its easier to escape the cold than the heat, I find.
[10:33] <tawr> that's still pretty low.. i'm trying to acclimate again to the heat here
[10:33] <[Saint]> Wow.
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[10:34] <tawr> almost every day in summer is between 42-46C here..
[10:34] <tawr> :/
[10:34] <[Saint]> Do. Not. Want.
[10:34] <[Saint]> ...nope. Do not want.
[10:34] <[Saint]> My Winter is looking decidedly better now.
[10:35] <sgo11> pagios, like this? http://gd2.alicdn.com/bao/uploaded/i2/TB1pHh1GXXXXXaBaXXXXXXXXXXX_!!0-item_pic.jpg_400x400.jpg http://gd4.alicdn.com/imgextra/i4/1772008515/TB23tw2cXXXXXa3XXXXXXXXXXXX_!!1772008515.jpg_400x400.jpg
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[10:36] <tawr> [Saint], heh. then add in between 70-90% humidity on top of it.
[10:36] <tawr> the good news is, when you're acclimated to it (begrudgingly), you laugh when you see people having heat strokes in 30C weather, and if you go to las vegas, you'll never sweat once :)
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[10:37] <sgo11> pagios, this one is hdmi: http://gd4.alicdn.com/imgextra/i4/834971383/TB2l1OocFXXXXb5XpXXXXXXXXXX_!!834971383.jpg
[10:37] <pagios> sgo11: touch?
[10:38] <sgo11> pagios, yeah, both products support touch.
[10:38] <pagios> sgo11: where can i buy what price?
[10:39] <[Saint]> Why do you need it to be HDMI if you're connecting it to the pi?
[10:39] <sgo11> pagios, the first one is around $18. the second one is around $32. sorry, I only know how to buy it in my country online...
[10:39] <[Saint]> Doesn't that make it more awkward?
[10:39] <[Saint]> Look at the Adafruit PiTFT display
[10:40] <[Saint]> You're not going to get a better profile fit on the pi than that.
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[10:41] <[Saint]> Just drop the cable completely, free up the HDMI port, and use the PiTFT display right off the GPIO header.
[10:41] <[Saint]> It makes a very neat little package.
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[10:42] <[Saint]> (And you can mount physical buttons on it too)
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[10:45] <NedScott> GPIO screens aren't as sharp as the HDMI one and use up a ton more CPU
[10:46] <tawr> night guys, take care
[10:46] <NedScott> I would kill for a tiny HDMI or VGA screen that was cheap
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[10:46] <NedScott> like, 3"
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[10:47] <NedScott> also, PiTFT is priced waaaay too high
[10:47] <NedScott> much love for adafruit, but some of their stuff has crazy markup on it
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[10:48] <[Saint]> You're paying for more than just the product though and a lot of people don't understand that.
[10:48] <NedScott> but you're not
[10:48] <NedScott> they use the exact same parts from china
[10:48] <NedScott> and the software they use was made by the community
[10:48] <NedScott> other products, sure
[10:48] <NedScott> but not the TFT screen
[10:49] <Klong> How many pi's do you have?
[10:49] <NedScott> me? I think 9
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[10:49] <Klong> Nice I have about the same
[10:50] <[Saint]> I swapped most of mine out for the ODROID C1
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[11:12] <napnap> Hi all, anyone can tell me if can I use multiple USB devices with a A+ (and a usb hub of course) ?
[11:13] <napnap> I read on the internet many problems, I don't know if it's sometimes or often...
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[11:14] <Kryczek> hi napnap
[11:15] <Kryczek> I don't have an A+ but I have two A and I have used them extensively each with a 7-port powered USB hub
[11:15] <Kryczek> without any problem
[11:15] <Kryczek> so I think as long as you don't run into any electrical problems, which using a powered USB hub avoids, you should be fine :)
[11:17] <napnap> Kryczek, ok ok. Thanks for your feedback. I think A & A+ are the same on USB side.
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[11:18] <Kryczek> napnap: good to know :)
[11:19] <Kryczek> in fact in my case I found that USB on Model A worked better than USB on Model B (and later B+)
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[11:19] <Kryczek> if I connected those 7-port powered USB hubs to my Model B's they would hang after the 4th or 5th device comes up
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[11:20] <Kryczek> I guess the integrated USB controller couldn't cope with that many
[11:20] <napnap> ok, I want to use just 3 usb devices
[11:21] <Kryczek> what kind, if I may ask out of curiosity? :)
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[11:23] <napnap> wifi dongle, touch panel, and.... only two in fact.
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[11:24] <Kryczek> hehe
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[12:46] <pingo> Anyone know a good microserver perhaps with embedded gsm modem for sending sms?
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[12:51] <Armand> pingo: Could you not use an online program to do that?
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[12:53] <pingo> Armand no internet access...
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[12:59] <Armand> pingo: Derp. :(
[12:59] <Armand> pingo: Maybe a USB GSM modem then?
[13:01] <pingo> yeah but i was hoping to have the modem inside the case
[13:02] <Armand> custom casing. :D
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[13:04] <mike_t> pingo, rpi + gsm module with SPI/UART?
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[13:05] <pingo> mike_t perhaps
[13:05] <pingo> but i need an enclosure for it
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[13:21] <niston> pingo: http://baltic-embedded.com/products-and-services/single-board-computer/
[13:22] <niston> or use a board that has mini-PCIe and get a GSM/GPRS/3G/LTE/whatever modem card
[13:23] <niston> bit larger http://www.dfi.com.tw/de/products/product.html?productId=2142
[13:24] <niston> http://www.amazon.com/VIA-Embedded-VAB-600-Pico-ITX-Cortex-A9/dp/B00F4HGPCQ
[13:25] <pingo> niston thanks nice suggestions
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[13:25] <pingo> How would I find out which mini-PCIe card to buy so that it would work with linux for sending sms?
[13:27] <niston> https://techship.se/products/huawei-em820w/
[13:27] <niston> look at specs
[13:27] <niston> ie "driver support"
[13:27] <niston> anyway
[13:27] <niston> gotta run
[13:27] <niston> final term exams :D
[13:27] <niston> l8rs
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[13:28] <pingo> nice
[13:28] <pingo> thanks for the links
[13:28] <niston> yw
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[14:13] <ThinkingofPython> Would it be possible to get shell/explorer.exe/desktop on Windows 10 IOT?
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[14:17] <shiftplusone> That's not what it's for.
[14:17] <Froolap> yeah you can get it.... but what do you mean by get it? do you mean get it like I wanna get that cute bar maid? or do you mean to attack it as in, Boy they are really going to get it now?
[14:18] <Froolap> or do you want uit to confuse you? I just don't get it.
[14:19] <ThinkingofPython> No need to complicate things.
[14:19] <Froolap> od did you just want to "get it" to do something?
[14:19] <ThinkingofPython> I mean, can IOT run a desktop environment, similar to Windows 7/10 desktop?
[14:19] <Froolap> I didn't say anything about compiling things.
[14:20] <ThinkingofPython> Neither did I
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[14:20] <Froolap> compile, complicate... what's the difference?
[14:20] <ThinkingofPython> So, is it possible? Can IOT run shell/desktop(explorer.exe)
[14:21] <Froolap> oh, in that case then I don't know. I didn't try to put win10 on my pi.
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[14:22] <shiftplusone> Again, that's not what it's for. Maybe, in theory it can run it, if Microsoft decides to release something like that, or somebody does some hacking around to make it happen.
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[14:23] <ThinkingofPython> Well, it's good that it's not meant for that.
[14:24] <ThinkingofPython> Life is all about breaking rules, and making things do what they shouldn't/couldn't. That's the fun part.
[14:24] <ThinkingofPython> ;D
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[14:33] <ThinkingofPython> Would RT run on Pi2?
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[14:35] <ThinkingofPython> MY123 That link (http://winocm.moe/projects/bringup/osports/2015/01/12/giving-windows-on-arm-a-hand/) is not Windows RT like you claimed
[14:35] <ThinkingofPython> Its windows PE.
[14:35] <ThinkingofPython> Which explains why it doesnt have shell/desktop. Lol
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[14:37] <Froolap> I'm onfused. so many questions when I just woke up.
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[14:40] <Froolap> windows without a desktop??? are they going back to dos6.2?
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[15:32] <goppo> hi
[15:32] <IT_Sean> 'ello
[15:32] <goppo> what's the difference between SPI (4-wire?) and 3-wire? just different signals?
[15:32] <IT_Sean> ones got four wires, the other three.
[15:33] <goppo> IT_Sean: yeah, but is one supposed to be superior to another?
[15:33] <goppo> or on a rpi, could either be used?
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[15:33] <canton7> what does that 4th wire do? some use a 4th wire as a chip select
[15:34] <Froolap> and don't forget that while one has three wires that the other one still has 3 wires plus an extra one.
[15:34] <canton7> SPI itself is a 3-wire protocol, but people are free to add other lines to do whatever they need
[15:34] <goppo> but wiki says SPI is commonly knows as 4-wire
[15:34] <goppo> *known
[15:34] <Froolap> and what is SPI?
[15:34] <Froolap> stateful packet inspection?
[15:34] <goppo> "Sometimes SPI is called a four-wire serial bus, contrasting with three-, two-, and one-wire serial buses. "
[15:34] <chris_99> no
[15:35] <goppo> serial peripheral interface
[15:36] <goppo> so 4-wire has SCK, SDI, SDO, CS?
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[15:49] <Stanto> goppo: yes
[15:52] <MY123> ThinkingofPython, the two are identical
[15:52] <MY123> kernel-wise
[15:53] <MY123> and bootprocesss-wise
[15:53] <ThinkingofPython> But it's not RT like you said it was :(
[15:53] <ThinkingofPython> PE doesn't have a desktop/shell
[15:53] <ThinkingofPython> Has no built in driver stuff either
[15:53] <MY123> ThinkingofPython, RT just needs a HDD driver to work
[15:53] <MY123> ThinkingofPython, a miniport which I've done for Qemu
[15:54] <ThinkingofPython> <@foxlet> ThinkingofPython: It also doesn’t have a proper driver installer, and the registry is read-only.
[15:54] <ThinkingofPython> .:@foxlet:. Well, it can be read/write (I got it to work with a Windows 7 build), but the hard-disk install method has to use the minwin trick.
[15:54] <ThinkingofPython> So, has anyone here actually tried to get RT running, with sucess?
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[15:54] <ThinkingofPython> Not PE :( PE can't do what I need it to
[15:55] <MY123> ThinkingofPython, you can get RT to work, but it is just useless as you can't type something in the "Please write your hostname field"
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[15:55] <MY123> ThinkingofPython, additionnal driver coding should be done to get further
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[15:55] <ThinkingofPython> So, RT doesn't pick up drivers?
[15:55] <ThinkingofPython> or is there security protection preventing input?
[15:56] <MY123> ThinkingofPython, I didn't write the input driver at all
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[15:56] <MY123> ThinkingofPython, but I can do it if I have enough time
[15:56] <ThinkingofPython> Yeah, give it a shot
[15:56] <ThinkingofPython> I'd love to have RT on my Pi2.
[15:56] <ThinkingofPython> Boss frowns upon Linux environments (for some reason), which is why I skinned mine to look like OSX
[15:57] <ThinkingofPython> But having something close to Windows would be nice (RT is fine)
[15:57] <SpeedEvil> fvwm95
[15:57] <MY123> ThinkingofPython, I wonder if I should code a Windows USB host driver(harder) or a KBD/MOUSE CSUD like abstraction
[15:58] <ThinkingofPython> Not sure. I know very little about that side of stuff
[15:58] <ThinkingofPython> I'm a hardware/programming nerd. Never got around to driver building yet
[15:58] <MY123> ThinkingofPython, do you have Visual Studio installed>
[15:58] <MY123> ?
[15:58] <ThinkingofPython> Negative
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[16:03] <ThinkingofPython> I'd love to try RT
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[16:31] <MY123> ThinkingofPython, you can't if you don't like writing code
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[16:32] <ThinkingofPython> Get a group together (or 1 amazing individual), write the code needed, release it online
[16:35] <ThinkingofPython> :) Release it for the masses, so all of us can enjoy it
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[16:38] <shiftplusone> gbaman: so, the background thing isn't going to change. =/
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[16:43] <jer> this may sound like a silly question, but i left a window open in my office last night, and the volcano Turrialba erupted here overnight pretty good, leaving a nice coating of ash outside. Unfortunately for me, some of it came in through the window and coated the electronics strewn across my desk; a lot of pcb's too. anyone have an idea how the conductivity of volcanic ash might affect boards with exposed
[16:43] <jer> ports, etc?
[16:43] <jer> i've got as much off as i could, but i'll never get it all off
[16:44] <IT_Sean> Step 1 is to kill whoever left the window open. Step 2 is to clean all the boards.
[16:44] <Sonny_Jim> Go find someone with an airhose
[16:44] <jer> step 1 would be suicide =/ it's been open for a week.
[16:44] <jer> Sonny_Jim, yeah good idea
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[16:46] <Sonny_Jim> Either that or a soft paintbrush and a strong vacuum cleaner
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[16:47] <shiftplusone> I'd buy another 5 pis, just to be safe.
[16:48] <IT_Sean> I'd give each board a quick wash in iso alcohol. It'll dry / evaporate quikcly, and should wash away any contaminants
[16:49] <Encapsulation> I'm buying two of everything from now on
[16:49] <Encapsulation> too much downtime when stuff gets wrecked by my carelessness or lack of experience
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[16:55] <jer> IT_Sean, oh shit yeah great idea, thanks.
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[16:57] <gbaman> shiftplusone: had kind of guessed that might happen
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[16:58] <gbaman> I have written a new patch instead https://github.com/PiNet/PiNet/commit/ecef480fa69eab028baa31f507747d398780e0d0
[16:59] <gbaman> It also changes the font background and colour back to what it used to be before, the new way looks pretty bad on darker backgrounds
[16:59] <Encapsulation> does the unary scope resolution operator accomplish the same thing as passing in global vars by reference
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[17:02] <Froolap> Encapsulation: what broke?
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[17:02] <Encapsulation> Froolap, I ruined the i2c isolation board
[17:02] <Encapsulation> =S
[17:02] <Encapsulation> I checked twice but my eyes arent good I guess
[17:02] <Encapsulation> vcc + gnd were bridged
[17:02] <Encapsulation> after removing thew wires
[17:03] <Encapsulation> they are still connected internally
[17:03] <Encapsulation> ordered another board because I think its ruined
[17:03] <Encapsulation> I'll be uusing a loupe next time to confirm my connections
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[17:12] <Strat> Q: Is it possible to connect a microphone to Raspberry Pi somehow (usb?) for audio input / voice recognition??
[17:12] <ali1234> yes with usb or i2s
[17:12] <ali1234> usb is easier
[17:13] <shiftplusone> An example... http://jasperproject.github.io/documentation/
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[17:14] <Froolap> very sad to hear that Encapsulation
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[17:14] <Froolap> Encapsulation: You might want something like this http://www.amazon.com/Donegan-OptiVISOR-Binocular-Magnifier-Lensplate-Magnifies/dp/B000BPWPRK/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1431962067&sr=8-1&keywords=optivisor
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[17:15] <Froolap> I used to use one of those when doing jewelery repair/manufacture.
[17:15] <Encapsulation> I almost bought a pair of those for less than 10 dollars the other day but deemed it too expensive
[17:15] <Encapsulation> would have saved me 35 on this board =D
[17:15] <Encapsulation> I think I'll get a pair
[17:16] <Froolap> I keep a pair around, they are handy.
[17:16] <Encapsulation> maybe essential for soldering these tiny boards
[17:16] <Encapsulation> at least with my eyes now
[17:16] <Froolap> that or pulling a splinter out of a finger
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[17:28] * Encapsulation mourns the loss of the i2c isolation board
[17:29] <Encapsulation> I just added a piezo speaker 3v 10ma max to a gpio pin so I have beep codes now =D
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[17:29] <Encapsulation> speaker = beeper//buzzer, not a true speaker
[17:30] <McBride36> Encapsulation, funny story about those piezo elements, i made a lil' annoy-o-tron thing that used one, coudln't tell if it worked since i'm deaf and couldn't hear it goin' off
[17:31] <niston> aye
[17:31] <niston> first day done
[17:31] <Encapsulation> you can hear it far away so if it didnt stay on for long it would be hard to find and annoying =D
[17:31] <niston> and my lookup table proved useful!
[17:31] <Encapsulation> niston, gratz!
[17:31] <niston> hey Encap :D
[17:31] <niston> sup dude
[17:32] <Encapsulation> good afternoon
[17:32] <niston> I've read you had trouble with a pump yesterday?
[17:32] <Encapsulation> yes, and more bad news last night!
[17:32] <Encapsulation> ruined the i2c board I think =S
[17:32] <niston> how so?
[17:32] <Encapsulation> I double checked my connections but when pi wouldnt boot
[17:32] <Encapsulation> I got out the loupe
[17:32] <Encapsulation> vcc + gnd tiny solder bridge
[17:32] <niston> ouch
[17:32] <Encapsulation> after removing, its connected internally
[17:32] <Encapsulation> ordered a new one at 3 am
[17:33] <niston> at least the Pi still works?
[17:33] <Encapsulation> yes, and the two adc probe boards
[17:33] <Encapsulation> so it could have been worse
[17:33] <niston> thats good news
[17:33] <niston> also
[17:33] <Encapsulation> I wont make thta mistake again
[17:33] <niston> in electronics
[17:33] <niston> you learn by BURNING stuff
[17:33] <Encapsulation> I guess so =X
[17:33] <niston> its perfectly valid and noremal
[17:33] <Encapsulation> I've burned one hbridge one i2c board and one pi now
[17:33] <McBride36> let the magic smoke guide you
[17:33] <Encapsulation> should be enough for a while
[17:33] <niston> yes :D
[17:33] <Encapsulation> lol
[17:33] <niston> alright
[17:33] <niston> but about the pump
[17:34] <Encapsulation> yes, its very strange
[17:34] <Encapsulation> connected to my projects outlets
[17:34] <niston> I was thinking, maybe the housing of the pump is grounded?
[17:34] <Encapsulation> or a wall outlet, it causes the probe readings to be wrong
[17:34] <Encapsulation> unplugged though, its fine
[17:34] <Encapsulation> its a platic housing
[17:34] <Encapsulation> s
[17:34] <niston> maybe there's metal parts in it connected to gnd
[17:34] <niston> does it have 3 prong AC connector?
[17:34] <Encapsulation> yes
[17:34] <niston> or is it a DC pump?
[17:34] <Encapsulation> its a 3 prong ac
[17:34] <niston> alright
[17:34] <niston> I suspect something has a ground connection
[17:35] <niston> the electrons from the probe will disappear through it
[17:35] <niston> so to speak
[17:35] <niston> thus giving weird results
[17:35] <niston> but
[17:35] <Encapsulation> they come out of the probe through the solution and into the pump and out to ground?
[17:35] <niston> yes
[17:35] <niston> electrons take path of least resistance
[17:36] <Encapsulation> so a possible solution would be using an ungrounded pump for circulation
[17:36] <Encapsulation> I have a pump with no ground pin on the plug
[17:36] <Encapsulation> I didn't test that
[17:36] <niston> you could try yea
[17:36] <Froolap> dif you find out of it was magnitisim or electric that was throwing off the ph?
[17:36] <niston> but I suggest that first we verify that isolation works as intended
[17:36] <Encapsulation> Froolap, sounds like it was electric
[17:36] <niston> ie try without the pump
[17:36] <Encapsulation> niston, good idea
[17:36] <niston> but ph and ec electrodes
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[17:37] <Encapsulation> I was going to add the lux meter I got as well but I think I'll add one thing at a time
[17:37] <niston> and see if they still interfere when one of em is on isolated power supply
[17:37] <Encapsulation> should make it easier to see what a problem is when it happens
[17:37] <Encapsulation> as soon as the replacement board arrives I'll wire it up
[17:37] <Encapsulation> I'll mnake a drawing as well of my wiring to confirm I'm doing it correctly if you wouldnt mind taking a look?
[17:37] <niston> alright
[17:38] <niston> yeah go ahead
[17:38] <Encapsulation> the internal bridge I'm guessing is the fried chip on this board, between vcc + gnd
[17:38] <Encapsulation> something melted inside?
[17:38] <Encapsulation> amateur question, vcc + ground should not be a short on this board?
[17:38] <Encapsulation> I just want ot make 100% sure
[17:38] <Encapsulation> I saw the solder bridged so I'm guessing it fried
[17:39] <Encapsulation> that might have allowed vcc to go into thje gnd pin?
[17:39] <Encapsulation> when I powered it up
[17:39] <Froolap> ungrounded pump under water is not a good idea....
[17:39] <niston> maybe use a DC model
[17:39] <niston> that runs on 12V
[17:39] <niston> but try without first
[17:39] <Froolap> what happens if you have the same electric leak on an ungrounded pump?
[17:40] <Encapsulation> a dc model with power supply could work
[17:40] <niston> but you can still test with the 2 prong pump
[17:40] <Encapsulation> Froolap, that would be unfortunate
[17:40] <niston> if it were unsafe, it should never have been sold :P
[17:41] <Encapsulation> I could circulate the mixture with air stone
[17:41] <Encapsulation> but its not as effective
[17:41] <Encapsulation> it does use less energy
[17:41] <Encapsulation> but I still need a feed pump
[17:41] <Encapsulation> and I don't want my readings to be wrong during a feed cycle
[17:41] <Encapsulation> or have to worrty about stopping reeadings when pump is running
[17:41] <Encapsulation> rewriting functions
[17:41] <niston> Encapsulation solution may be to just use a different brand/model/make of pump
[17:41] <Encapsulation> I'd rather have it just work
[17:41] <Froolap> lots of things not ul listed that get sold, and even the best design can have defective... and everything breaks given time.
[17:41] <Encapsulation> Froolap, http://www.amazon.com/Hydrofarm-AAPW160-160-GPH-Active-Submersible/dp/B002JPGE6S
[17:41] <Encapsulation> thats the ungrounded pump I have
[17:42] <niston> might be an implementation detail if there's a ground connection in this current 3 prongpump
[17:42] <Encapsulation> I'll test with that when my project is put together again
[17:42] <niston> yup
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[17:42] <niston> but first verify isolation
[17:42] <niston> there should be no electrical interference possible
[17:43] <Encapsulation> 3v3 + gnd + sda + scl from pi into the side of the board that says vin. also coming off of this connecting I bring sda + scl to the ec board unisolated and also to my sensor cable for i2c sensors. the output side of the board has vcc + gnd + sda + scl going to the ph board
[17:43] <niston> magdrive pump thats good
[17:43] <Encapsulation> does that sound correct niston
[17:43] <niston> make a drawing
[17:44] <Froolap> these are expensive, but they are VERY good. No possible electric connection with water. http://www.amazon.com/Marineland-PC0350C-Purpose-Canister-Filter/dp/B00025YUR2/ref=sr_1_33?s=pet-supplies&ie=UTF8&qid=1431963789&sr=1-33&keywords=aquarium+canister+filter
[17:44] <Encapsulation> k
[17:44] <Encapsulation> Froolap, I just need a simple circulator
[17:44] <Encapsulation> but this could be a problem actually
[17:44] <niston> magdrive completely detaches (and isolates) the pump from the motor
[17:44] <niston> so there should be no electrical path either
[17:44] <Encapsulation> because I'm currently sourcing a pump for the feed
[17:45] <Encapsulation> and it can't interfere
[17:45] <Encapsulation> niston, the pump I tested with is magdrive I believe
[17:45] <Encapsulation> strange its interacting with the water electrically
[17:45] <niston> Encapsulation you might also want to check if the pump is resistant to corrosion
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[17:45] <niston> if you are going to use it to circulate nutrient solution
[17:45] <Froolap> not all mag drive are created equal, I have had them explode on me.
[17:46] <Encapsulation> self-priming external pump might be a solution
[17:46] <Encapsulation> when its off the water doesnt touch
[17:46] <Encapsulation> but it can power up to circulate or feed
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[17:46] <Encapsulation> I'm not sure
[17:46] <Encapsulation> I'd like to solve the interference issue so I don't need to worry
[17:46] <niston> well one thing after the other :)
[17:46] <Encapsulation> yes
[17:46] <Encapsulation> firs the isolation of the ph + ec
[17:46] <Encapsulation> 2-3 days shipping =(
[17:46] <Encapsulation> or if I could solder smd
[17:47] <Encapsulation> and get this central chip
[17:47] <Encapsulation> I could swap it out myself
[17:47] <niston> theres two chips, right?
[17:47] <niston> one on top and one on bottom side
[17:47] <Encapsulation> just one it looks like
[17:47] <Encapsulation> I'm new to smd especially but it looks like
[17:47] <niston> the one on bottom might look like a smd transistor
[17:48] <Encapsulation> 7 resistors, 6 caps
[17:48] <niston> according to the scheme, there's two analog devices chips IIRC
[17:48] <Encapsulation> hmm
[17:48] <niston> the i2c isolator, and a dc/dc converter
[17:48] <Encapsulation> https://www.sparkyswidgets.com/i2c-isolation-breakout-finished-inital-testing/
[17:48] <Encapsulation> he listed another possible solutuon as well
[17:48] <Encapsulation> but not as elegant perhaps
[17:48] <Froolap> Encapsulation: have you looked into saltwater aquarium filter systems with a sump? might give you some ideas
[17:49] <Encapsulation> "You can also place more than one of the same address on the bus and use SDL switching to block the non preferred device to access. There are a large number of reason why one would need to do this!"
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[17:49] <Encapsulation> Froolap, I haven't. I'll take a look at those
[17:49] <niston> what is SDL switching?
[17:49] <Encapsulation> https://github.com/SparkysWidgets/I2CIsolationBreakoutHW
[17:49] <Encapsulation> I'm not sure, I was hoping you knew
[17:50] <Encapsulation> it sounds like a way to use both probes in solution without the isolation board
[17:50] <Encapsulation> but activating only one board at a time or something
[17:50] <atmosx> hello
[17:50] <Encapsulation> but at this point the 2nd board is already coming
[17:50] <Froolap> what then do is have a wall that the water overflows into a compartment which then drains into a sump below the aquarium.
[17:50] <Encapsulation> so I'll go that route
[17:50] <atmosx> Anyone played around with PiTFT?
[17:50] <niston> tehre's SDA and there's SCL, never heard about SDL
[17:50] <Froolap> a pump in the sump then pumps water back into aquarium.
[17:50] <Encapsulation> Froolap, is that to isolate it?
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[17:51] <Encapsulation> Selectable voltage output on this board niston
[17:51] <Encapsulation> I hope it's default at 3.3v
[17:51] <Encapsulation> I didn't even notice that
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[17:51] <Froolap> if power is lost then the overflow wall prevents the aquarium from completely draining, and when the water drains enough then the pump output is abovre the wanter line and can not siphon.
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[17:52] <Froolap> if the pump is electrically leaking, then any watter will be a conductor....
[17:52] <niston> yeah
[17:52] <niston> Encapsulation yes Vout needs to be selecrted
[17:53] <Encapsulation> looks like its wrong
[17:53] <Encapsulation> might be at 5v right now
[17:53] <Encapsulation> so when the new board comes I'll have toi make sure to change that
[17:53] <niston> yeh
[17:53] <Encapsulation> it says 3.3v to run for these i2c boards w/ pi
[17:53] <Encapsulation> although they are safe to 5v
[17:53] <niston> use 3v3
[17:53] <Encapsulation> but then my readings would be wrong maybe
[17:53] <Froolap> but if the problem is pump proximity then this would allow for pump placemeny further from the probe
[17:53] <Encapsulation> k
[17:54] <Encapsulation> Froolap, I've only tested in a 4 gallon bucket. I was wondering if just moving the pump further would solve it
[17:54] <Encapsulation> the next test phase will be a 40-50 gallon barrel
[17:54] <Froolap> well now you have a new design method to toss into your tool box if needed
[17:54] <Encapsulation> yes
[17:54] <niston> you said that the problem with the pump disappears when you disconnet it, but not when you turn it off?
[17:55] <Encapsulation> niston, not when I "turn it off" with my device
[17:55] <Encapsulation> which can control outlets using a sainsmart relay board
[17:55] <Encapsulation> it still interferes though
[17:55] <Encapsulation> only unplugging it stops the interference
[17:55] <Encapsulation> the pump does not have an off switch
[17:55] <niston> points to a GND issue
[17:55] <niston> IMHO
[17:55] <Encapsulation> in the building? or my device? or the pump
[17:56] <niston> pump
[17:56] <niston> like I said, possibly SOME part of it is connected to ground AND touches the medium
[17:56] <Froolap> a cheap garbage can can offer an effective means for testing a pump and if salt water then you can mix replacement water the night before a water change so temp isn't a shock to fish.
[17:57] <Froolap> Encapsulation: it would be a good idea to get a wall outlet wiring falt indicator and test both.
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[17:57] <Froolap> which country are you in?
[17:58] <Encapsulation> USA
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[17:58] <Froolap> maybe something like this. http://www.amazon.com/Amprobe-ST-102B-Socket-Tester-GFCI/dp/B008E07HM2/ref=sr_1_cc_1?s=aps&ie=UTF8&qid=1431964702&sr=1-1-catcorr&keywords=wall+wiring+fault
[17:59] <Encapsulation> Froolap, I'm buying one on wednesday
[17:59] <Encapsulation> its on my radio shack list
[17:59] <Froolap> I always have a couple of those on hand to test wall outlets before I plug a computer into the outlet.
[17:59] <Encapsulation> they hit 90% discount this week, sad to see them go but the cheap components are nice
[17:59] <Froolap> yeah
[17:59] <Encapsulation> it would be good to make sure theres nothing wrong with the wiring here in my test environment
[17:59] <Froolap> apparently not all stores are closing.
[17:59] <Encapsulation> yeah they are keeping the other one around here
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[18:05] <Encapsulation> I just got an idea for an experiment
[18:05] <Encapsulation> just for fun
[18:06] <Encapsulation> this piezo speaker got me thinking
[18:06] <Encapsulation> I wonder if you could connect two pis one with a pieze beeper and the other a mic
[18:06] <Encapsulation> and make them communicate using morse code
[18:06] <Encapsulation> or even binary, at ultra high speed
[18:07] <IT_Sean> It's been done w/ laptops, so... why not.
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[18:08] <IT_Sean> http://www.newstatesman.com/future-proof/2013/12/researchers-prove-pc-viruses-can-spread-microphones
[18:08] <IT_Sean> Three years ago Dragos Ruiu, a computer security expert, discovered that several of his computers were infected with some kind of virus - and, even weirder, they were managing to talk to each other even when their Wi-Fi and Bluetooth connections were turned off. Disconnecting the ethernet and power cables didn’t work either. He physically removed the wireless cards from the machine and it didn’t have
[18:08] <IT_Sean> any effect on stopping the virus.
[18:08] <Encapsulation> incredible
[18:09] <IT_Sean> infected machines were communicating w/ one another via the speakers and mics
[18:10] <Froolap> Encapsulation: you might find this interesting http://www.drsfostersmith.com/media/players/product_player.cfm?videoid=666
[18:10] <Encapsulation> the first comment does address the question I was wondering
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[18:10] <Encapsulation> its still interesting though
[18:11] <Encapsulation> Froolap, let me take a look
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[18:11] <Encapsulation> the 80s music is great so far
[18:12] <Froolap> ohhhh and considering that.... I just had a brain fart. this could be cool
[18:13] <spybert> IT_Sean: That would be one way to steal proprietary data from laptops disconnected from the internet for protection. I guess the infected machines speakers could also be used to physically locate the machine
[18:13] <Froolap> let me know when you get done watching...
[18:13] <niston> IT_Sean: BadBIOS?
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[18:15] <spybert> IT_Sean: A sensitive correlation algorithm could be used to detect sounds below the level of human hearing
[18:16] <Encapsulation> Froolap, just finished
[18:17] <Froolap> That type of setup is fairly common in saltwater aquariums. if you are making use of such a system, then with a little creativity you could isolate the ph probe from the rest of the water system.
[18:17] <Encapsulation> I see what you mean, I'm reading more about it
[18:18] <Froolap> picture this.... You see where the water overflow is in the sump. You could make a mini ramp to pass some of the water to a "water wheele" that has little buckets that would then dump the little buckets into a cup.
[18:19] <Froolap> The distance that the water falls between the water sheel and the cup would make an air insulator between thr proble and the rest of the system but ensure enough circulation that it would always refelct the rest of the environment.
[18:19] <Froolap> sheel = wheel
[18:20] <Froolap> if you can see what i'm thinking
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[18:20] <Encapsulation> yes
[18:21] <Encapsulation> I've been pondering some solutions like that if I can't acheive electrical isolation
[18:21] <Encapsulation> there could me mechanical isolation methods
[18:21] <Encapsulation> where the pump can read water samples that are periodically refreshed but separate electrically from the main liquid
[18:21] <Encapsulation> or other probe, etc
[18:21] <Froolap> you could put a little drain into the probe port so that it never runs out of water but avoids overflow creating an electrical connection
[18:21] <Encapsulation> probe*
[18:22] <Encapsulation> could it electrically connedct though
[18:22] <Encapsulation> through the air in the falling water stream
[18:22] <Encapsulation> not the air
[18:22] <Encapsulation> the water
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[18:22] <Encapsulation> but in the air
[18:22] <Encapsulation> as it falls, could it somehow conduct through
[18:22] <Encapsulation> if it was a steady stream I wonder
[18:22] <Froolap> well the water wheel in the sump could do the mechanical isolation without extra energy. just gotta keep it clean so it doesn't stick
[18:23] <Encapsulation> true
[18:23] <Froolap> if it was a steady stream it would conduct. but if it's falling as BIG drops, then the bridge is interupted .
[18:24] <Froolap> maybe falling into a funnel to reduce splash.
[18:24] <Encapsulation> and a rotating wheel powered by the same water
[18:24] <Froolap> or a double funnel where the output of the bottom funnel is smaller
[18:24] <Encapsulation> could repeatedly cut the stream
[18:25] <Encapsulation> to prevent conduction into the main resevoir
[18:25] <niston> just use a suitable pump
[18:25] <niston> instead of overengineering the problem :P
[18:25] <Encapsulation> xD
[18:25] <niston> https://www.chromspec.com/pdf/e/bf01.pdf
[18:25] <Froolap> that's why I was thinking of a water wheel, and you could probably get something suitable pre made at a pet store that sells birds.
[18:26] <Froolap> they often have little ferris wheel toys for birds to play with that are made out of plastic, so aquarium safe
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[18:32] <niston> also, Encapsulation do you have a multimeter?
[18:32] <niston> I think you do, no?
[18:33] <Encapsulation> yes
[18:33] <niston> use the continuity tester to verify soldering job next time :P
[18:33] <niston> ie detect unwanted shorts before applying power :)
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[18:36] <Froolap> resistance is futile.... resistance is direct short.
[18:37] <Froolap> electronics are the borg
[18:37] <Spiffy> I like cake <3
[18:37] <Froolap> let them eat cake.
[18:39] <Encapsulation> I'll definitely check next time
[18:40] <Froolap> yeah but this is fun
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[18:46] <Froolap> what can I release the smoke on?
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[18:47] <ShorTie> BBQ
[18:47] <IT_Sean> mmmmmm
[18:47] <IT_Sean> bee bee queue
[18:47] <edman007> Hey, has anyone here used a USB webcam (UVC) on their pi, do you experience heavy framedrop? I'm trying to simply record the webcam and pipe it into fakesink with gstreamer and a command that works fine on my desktop, fails miserably on my pi
[18:48] <ShorTie> might be pushing the usb bandwidth to far
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[18:50] <methuzla> or processing power
[18:50] <edman007> that's what I thought at first, but it happens even at 160x120 res...
[18:50] <edman007> and gstreamer uses only 3% CPU in those settings
[18:51] <Froolap> well, I cam watch 4 ip cams on my pi. but it's not trying to capture and redirect.
[18:51] <methuzla> are you running it with gst-launch?
[18:51] <Froolap> nope, I'l just looking at them with firefox.
[18:52] <methuzla> edman007 gst-launch?
[18:53] <Froolap> open firefox, go to the ip of the first camera, tell it the ip address of the other cameras, go back to the default page of the ip camera and there they are.
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[18:54] <Froolap> http://www.amazon.com/Foscam-FI8905W-Outdoor-Wireless-Nightvision/dp/B003YUEF0E/ref=sr_1_18?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1431968039&sr=1-18&keywords=ip+camera
[18:54] <edman007> methuzla, gst-launch-1.0 --gst-debug=4 -v v4l2src extra-controls="controls,exposure_auto=1,exposure_absolute=10" ! video/x-raw, format=I420, width=160, height=120, pixel-aspect-ratio=1/1, interlace-mode=progressive, framerate=30/1! fakesink
[18:55] <edman007> and then that shows the input clock slips relative to the wall clock indicating framedrop or something...output videos don't look smooth like they do on my desktop anyways
[18:57] <methuzla> does any process show high %CPU in top when you try it? (could be a driver or something gstreamer is calling)
[18:57] <Encapsulation> what woudl you recommend for streamning video fromn the pi?
[18:57] <Encapsulation> its built in camera port? or can it be done with usb
[18:58] <methuzla> either
[18:58] <edman007> methuzla, nope, 3% CPU for that command
[18:58] <Froolap> which version of pi?
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[19:02] <edman007> B
[19:02] <edman007> err, B+
[19:02] <edman007> old one...
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[19:05] <methuzla> edman007 see if simplifying it down helps any
[19:05] <methuzla> edman007 gst-launch-1.0 v4l2src ! video/x-raw, format=I420, width=160, height=120 ! fakesink
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[19:07] <edman007> nope....
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[19:09] <Froolap> can you view the cam without dropouts when you aren't streaming?
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[19:11] <edman007> I don't have a monitor hooked up...
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[19:13] <edman007> hrm... I'm going to try mencoder and see what I can get... a quick check says it plays mjpeg just fine
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[19:18] <edman007> hrm, even happens with mplayer..."v4l2: 64 frames successfully processed, 126 frames dropped"
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[19:23] <methuzla> edman007 where you also sending to fakesink on the desktop?
[19:25] <edman007> yea, I did, on the desktop I tried both fakesink and some real sinks
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[19:25] <edman007> I'm trying mplayer now, and it's reporting that it's dropping 60% of frames, even when dealing with 160x120x30fps....
[19:26] <methuzla> hmmm, not sure if it helps, but i just tried this on a linux PC:
[19:26] <methuzla> gst-launch-1.0 videotestsrc ! video/x-raw, width=160, height=120 ! fakesink
[19:26] <methuzla> and it went to %100 CPU
[19:27] <methuzla> where as this:
[19:27] <edman007> methuzla, because videotestsrc has infinte fps by default...
[19:27] <methuzla> gst-launch-1.0 videotestsrc ! video/x-raw, width=160, height=120 ! ximagesink
[19:27] <methuzla> ran just fine
[19:27] <edman007> got to specify the fps
[19:27] <methuzla> ha. nevermind.
[19:28] <Froolap> use 12
[19:28] <edman007> I'm thinking this is some issue with either the hardware being slow or v4l, though I have a hard time believing that the pi can't handle 160x120
[19:28] <edman007> I'll probably just buy the real pi camera
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[19:28] <methuzla> have you tried using videotestsrc on the pi?
[19:29] <k_j> is it pi2?
[19:29] <edman007> no
[19:29] <edman007> pi 1 B I think
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[19:32] <Froolap> I would be inclined to hook the pi up to a monitor and see if the usb cam is giving the performance that you want without streaming.
[19:32] <methuzla> edman007 i'm thinking hardware to, it may be trying work at full frame and rate on the USB bus and then down sizing
[19:33] <methuzla> edman007 and USB is maxing out
[19:33] <edman007> yea, I'm going try the v4l dummy device (vivi?) and see what happens
[19:34] <methuzla> edman007 yeah, something like that, have the src be synthetic/dummy
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[19:41] <readwrite> i can't get audio to play out my rpi2 running 15.04 mate
[19:41] <readwrite> ubuntu
[19:42] <methuzla> welcome to the fun world of pulseaudio
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[19:42] <readwrite> fresh install
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[19:46] <readwrite> ok its working now
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[19:46] <readwrite> and then it just stopped...
[19:47] <readwrite> and now its on again
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[19:49] <Froolap> at least you are getting something.
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[19:57] <readwrite> its not consistent
[19:59] <Froolap> you may be getting annoyed, but you are still getting something.... giggle
[19:59] <Froolap> at least you know it's possible to be working.
[19:59] <readwrite> i'm no stranger to being constantly befuddled in linux and programming
[20:00] <Froolap> I've never tried to get sound out of my pi, so i have no idea if it ever worked
[20:00] <readwrite> i want to do something with Csound and ChucK on the intel edison, so i need to learn about port audio, alsa, pulseaudio, jack, etc etc etc
[20:01] <readwrite> portaudio
[20:01] <readwrite> ChucK looks very interesting
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[20:24] <colonia27> Hello everyone. Someone here running osmc on their Pi 2? I wonder what core temperature yours have when the pi is just idleing. Here it's ~55°C when doing nothing. Isn't that a bit too warm? Btw, it's in a case and has no heat sinks on it
[20:24] <colonia27> I checked the temperature using the "RasPi Check" app on android or with: /opt/vc/bin/vcgencmd measure_temp
[20:25] <ozzzy> colonia27, 55 isn't high
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[20:26] <TheLostAdmin> colonia27, my RPI2, which has been idling all weekend has a temp of 49.8C. When idle it does pretty much nothing at all.
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[20:31] <SpeedEvil> you should only be concerned with 55C if your device operating environment might get 30C hotter
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[20:34] <colonia27> kk, thx guys. was just wondering as my pi b+ has always been around the 40s
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[20:46] <Sonny_Jim> Once it goes above 80c, you can start worrying
[20:46] <IT_Sean> Once the SoC turns into a smoking crater, you know you've pushed it too far.
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[20:49] <cehteh> what, you dont go for 3Ghz and liquid nitrogen cooling?
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[21:34] <MY123> Windows IoT is not the only edition with explicit RPi2 support
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[21:36] <Froolap> there's more?
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[21:36] <MY123> Froolap, yes
[21:36] <Froolap> where?
[21:36] <MY123> Froolap, I can't say it to the public but only with PM currently
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[21:37] <Froolap> is there a list?
[21:37] <MY123> Froolap, only one
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[21:37] <Froolap> I thought that you said that IoT wasn't the only one.
[21:38] <MY123> Froolap, there is another edition
[21:38] <ShorTie> i think he meant the pi isn't the only 1 for winblows
[21:38] <MY123> ShorTie, no
[21:39] <MY123> I'm afraid of Microsoft removing it if I divulgate
[21:39] <MY123> (yeah, it's another edition)
[21:40] <Froolap> maybe I should refresh my drive and try to install an ftpd again
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[21:40] <ShorTie> still say they are doing it because they don't want all these peeps just learning Linux
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[21:41] <niston> MY123 an edition different from "IoT", or one of the classes "mobile", "small devices", "industrial" ?
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[21:49] <Callmea> Hi :)
[21:49] <HotCoder> yo
[21:49] <Callmea> HotCoder, yo :)
[21:50] <Callmea> I come back , strange issue between gnome andxchat
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[21:50] <HotCoder> whats up?
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[21:52] <Callmea> sorry, i m back :)
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[21:53] <brasizza> Hello guys ;)
[21:54] <pmumble> hey
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[21:55] <Callmea> brasizza and pnumble : Hi :)
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[21:56] <brasizza> just installed this mirc in my office ;)
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[21:56] <Callmea> I need some advice or idea, thank you. I got a PS3 wireless keyboard like this: http://www.konigelectronic.com/fr_be/55810867. It works very well on my pi, but it misses 3 keys : tab, ctrl and alt.
[21:57] <brasizza> i dunno who told me about the heating system using metal , didn't work .. i used a shower resistence but when i plug de 5v on one side and the ground in another the raspi crashs
[21:58] <Callmea> I ve tried to modify it , or to understand how it works, but the ic is under a black blob :/. what would you do to add theses keys? I thank you :)
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[22:00] <brasizza> i never tried this, but all the keys are working ?
[22:00] <brasizza> C is C , L is L and so on ?
[22:00] <brasizza> maybe the encoding is not right
[22:01] <Callmea> brasizza, Yes, all is right except the missing keys :)
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[22:01] <brasizza> there is 2 ctrl anda alt ?
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[22:01] <Tenkawa> hi all
[22:01] <Callmea> brasizza, no they re missing, and it s my problem :/
[22:02] <brasizza> Hey Tenkawa
[22:02] <Callmea> Tenkawa, hi :)
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[22:02] <Tenkawa> hey
[22:02] <brasizza> do you mean missing ON the keyboard?
[22:02] <Callmea> Yes, sorry my english is limited, On the keyboard
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[22:03] <Callmea> It misses F11 and F12 but i don't need them
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[22:04] <brasizza> but there is no control on this keyboard?
[22:04] <Callmea> i ve tried with xev to see if there was hidden keys with the FN touch with no succes. No control, and no more ALT (Or alt gr too)
[22:05] <brasizza> but the keyboard doesn't have this keys, right ?
[22:06] <Callmea> yes, it don't have
[22:06] <Callmea> doesn't*
[22:06] <brasizza> so i don't think you use a key that is not there, i guess
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[22:06] <tawr> Callmea, real quick
[22:06] <tawr> does the keyboard NOT have the keys
[22:06] <tawr> or they are there, but don't work in linux?
[22:07] <brasizza> no.. this keyboard doesn't have
[22:07] <brasizza> as i saw in the website that he sent
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[22:07] <tawr> you aren't going to be adding them Callmea
[22:07] <tawr> what you CAN do
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[22:07] <tawr> is alter the keymap to make a button you do not use an alt/ctrl button
[22:07] <tawr> but that's it
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[22:07] <Callmea> tawr : no it doesn't have . No keys ON the keyboard, and don't find any hidden key
[22:08] <brasizza> that's because the playstation doesn't need that
[22:08] <brasizza> you can do what tawr said
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[22:08] <brasizza> change the map to use SYMB as ctrl
[22:08] <brasizza> for example
[22:09] <Callmea> I think too, my first idea was to add theses keys by adding buttons on gpios, but there will not wiresless :/
[22:09] <tawr> you won't be adding any new keys to a keyboard. they're chip on board
[22:09] <tawr> it's not goign to ever happen Callmea so just drop the idea
[22:10] <Callmea> brasizza, ithe symb keys doesn' send anything, it's send internally to the chip, who send the good key to the usb receiver :/
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[22:11] <brasizza> i see.. so if the key is not physically there.. forget it
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[22:11] <Callmea> tawr, i think it too, too bad, because it's a nice keyboard (small) :-(. Maybe I can create shortcut on linux to emulate theses keys. EX : F1 + A +E etc ALT etc?
[22:12] <tawr> yes
[22:12] <tawr> or use keys you do NOT use
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[22:12] <tawr> to be them
[22:12] <brasizza> all keys are usable, its 0-1 | a-z
[22:12] <brasizza> 0-9
[22:13] <Callmea> Maybe is the better plan, i was not sure.
[22:13] <Callmea> braI thank you
[22:13] <Callmea> I*
[22:13] <Callmea> brasizza, it s why i was thinkink about key combos to emulate them
[22:13] <Callmea> thinking*
[22:13] <brasizza> Tenkawa: it was you that told me about the heating with a metal ?
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[22:14] <brasizza> Just an off topic
[22:15] <brasizza> how are you using the rpi ?
[22:15] <brasizza> automation? or just for fun ?
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[22:16] <Callmea> for me is for fun, i m building a mini computer/console with it :)
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[22:16] <brasizza> i see
[22:17] <brasizza> i'm working with home automation
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[22:17] <brasizza> arduino is smaller but with rpi i can have much more options with a linux inside
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[22:17] <Callmea> I don't know nothing about automation, but i Interface my pi with mcu to make fun things
[22:18] <Callmea> I m agree but i love to program my arduino or pic18 boards too ;)
[22:18] <brasizza> i made a glade spray activation by twitter
[22:19] <brasizza> but here is sooo expensive sensors and the rpi itself
[22:20] <Berg> how much is the rpi?
[22:20] <Callmea> Nice project. I don't know where dou you live, but Aliexpress and ebay are nice places to build cheap sensors/compnents
[22:20] <Callmea> components*
[22:20] <IT_Sean> Berg: ~$35, generally.
[22:20] <brasizza> Berg: where r you from ?
[22:21] <Berg> australia
[22:21] <Callmea> do*
[22:21] <Berg> 35 dollarsd is standard
[22:21] <brasizza> love you Berg.. i used to live in melbourne
[22:21] <IT_Sean> are you upside down?
[22:21] <Berg> and now?
[22:21] <brasizza> back to Brazil
[22:21] <Berg> brasizza: where you live?
[22:21] <brasizza> here is $230 the b+
[22:21] <Callmea> Here in France is most expensive with the shipping costs :/
[22:21] <Berg> your joking?
[22:22] <brasizza> no
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[22:22] <Berg> just order one from ebay
[22:22] <IT_Sean> 230 dollars? or 230... um... what's Brazil got... Rial? brasizza?
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[22:22] <brasizza> real
[22:22] <brasizza> is 115 dolars
[22:22] <brasizza> maybe
[22:22] <brasizza> https://www.robocore.net/modules.php?name=GR_LojaVirtual&prod=429
[22:22] <IT_Sean> 115$!? That's still pretty steep.
[22:22] <Callmea> brasizza, you can build it on aliexpress for 35-40 € with freeshipping on aliexpress ;). But you need to be patient
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[22:23] <brasizza> yes!
[22:23] <brasizza> i made one order in adafruit
[22:23] <brasizza> i paid 60% of importation taxes
[22:24] <brasizza> PLUS 40% os eletronic importation
[22:24] <brasizza> this country is a shit
[22:24] <Berg> well move back here
[22:24] <Berg> simple be cheaper even with the air fare
[22:24] <brasizza> i wish Berg, your country is a dream
[22:25] <Callmea> brasizza, :-(. It france sometimes we pay duties, sometimes no. but they'arent so expensives ^^
[22:25] <ShorTie> you need a friend in a different country
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[22:25] <brasizza> i'm trying to startup a company using rpi with home automation, so i think it will be cheaper to import this kind of stuff
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[22:26] <Callmea> i just SAW your link, brasizza S$ is not dollar, is it?
[22:26] <Berg> if you cant pay the import duty on one well???
[22:27] <brasizza> no. it's not.. it's half price converting the dolar.. 1 dolar where is 2,998 my currency
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[22:28] <Callmea> Ok brasizza i thank you, even if it s always expensive :/
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[22:30] <brasizza> i'll be here in this channel now. that will be good to learn and help,, that's the spirit of open source :)
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[22:31] <Callmea> I m new here, but you re welcome :)
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[22:33] <Berg> Im new here too
[22:34] <brasizza> i didn't know that Mirc was so active.
[22:34] <brasizza> i used to be here when i was very young
[22:34] <brasizza> 2001 , 2002
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[22:34] <Berg> its the only place not full of advertisrs
[22:34] <IT_Sean> IRC is still quite active.
[22:35] <IT_Sean> This server alone has a number of channels covering various topics.
[22:35] <Berg> IM on warzone channel sinse before they invented dirt
[22:35] <Berg> its active
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[22:40] <Callmea> I m new here too, but I am often in other rooms
[22:40] <Callmea> Irc is very active yes, but espcially in english
[22:41] <Callmea> off topic, what do you think about orange pi 2? i ve just ordered one
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[22:42] <Berg> Never Knew they made oranges
[22:42] <Berg> :)
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[22:43] <Callmea> it s a chinese board, a concurrent of the pi with allwinner H3 1,6 ghz quad core.
[22:43] <Callmea> :D Berg
[22:43] <Berg> im still new with a rpi im just waiting on hardware to arrive i been porograming a web server to run me pi that about all
[22:44] <Berg> how much are oranges Callmea
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[22:45] <niston> is that the chinese university board?
[22:45] <Callmea> nice project to begin. I ve got an old raspberry pi model 1 B for my little computer, but i love it. it drives me crazy sometimes...
[22:45] <Berg> I been reading a lot about folks running apache for a web server on PI i rather think thats overkill
[22:45] <brasizza> i'm trying to use a dimmer board to rpi, but the Rpi doesn't have de ZERO MODULE
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[22:46] <Callmea> Berg, I paid mine 33 € with shipping , it seems to be a good deal even if the support and the community seems to be very small for the moment
[22:46] <Berg> what OS does it run Callmea
[22:46] <Berg> I dont know what a zero module is
[22:46] <Callmea> niston, i don't know :/
[22:47] <niston> I think so
[22:47] <brasizza> TRIAC
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[22:47] <brasizza> zero-cross detection
[22:48] <Berg> I think mine4 cost 48 aussie dollars 2with shipping
[22:48] <Berg> rpi
[22:48] <Callmea> Berg, I hesitated before, because only Android was available. Raspian and Lubuntu are available since fews, so i ordered it
[22:48] <Berg> ha
[22:48] <Berg> yes android would make me bulk at it Callmea
[22:49] <Berg> I like the idea of python to run it as im not too bad at python
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[22:49] <Berg> afk need coffee
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[22:50] <Callmea> My goal is to make a 7 inch linux mini notebook with my orange pi
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[22:50] <niston> H3?
[22:50] <Callmea> i don't know python at all, i m a C/C++ programmer
[22:50] <readwrite> and then what?
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[22:51] <niston> 3H!
[22:51] <Callmea> H3, yes it s an allwinner chip
[22:51] <niston> Put Tritium in your tank!
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[22:53] <Berg> what will raspberry pi +3 be 3ghz quad core?
[22:53] <Berg> I wish
[22:54] <Callmea> no it a h2, i douted :D
[22:54] <Callmea> http://www.aliexpress.com/store/product/Orange-pi-2-Beyond-cubieboard-and-pcduino-Compatible-with-banana-pi-pro-and-Raspberry-Pi-2/1553371
[22:54] <IT_Sean> Berg: I highly doubt it.
[22:54] <Berg> just a wish'
[22:54] <Berg> anyway im very happy with the PI i have it does exactly what its spose to
[22:55] <Callmea> Maybe in soon future, we could have have cheap and powerfuull arm motherboards ;)
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[22:59] * The_Borg kicks Berg
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[23:01] <brasizza> ? why ?
[23:02] <Callmea> ?!
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[23:03] <The_Borg> <---is berg
[23:03] <The_Borg> this is berg's PI
[23:03] <Callmea> :D
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[23:04] <brasizza> lol
[23:05] <brasizza> anybody worked with zero-cross detection?
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[23:05] <Callmea> I don't know what is zero cross, sorry :/
[23:05] <brasizza> i'm trying to 'dimme' some bulb lamp but it's not working properly
[23:06] <brasizza> i bought a dimmer board to use in lamps or fans
[23:06] <The_Borg> what power you using on your lights?
[23:06] <The_Borg> what lights led?
[23:07] <Callmea> +1 with berg, no, Borg ;)
[23:07] <brasizza> 110v - 220v
[23:07] <brasizza> its bulb or fan
[23:07] <The_Borg> resistance is futile
[23:07] <brasizza> i know but fans you can dimme
[23:08] <k_j> are there any new accessories made for the rpi2?
[23:09] <The_Borg> so you trying to change the sine wave to act as a dimmer?
[23:09] <The_Borg> I always thought they would use a resistance method
[23:10] <The_Borg> variac
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[23:10] <brasizza> yes, they call TRIAC
[23:10] <Callmea> A question, what do you expect and what it does when you say it doesn't work?
[23:10] <brasizza> flicking
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[23:10] <brasizza> like night club
[23:10] <The_Borg> strobe?
[23:10] <brasizza> yes
[23:11] <brasizza> that's because rpi doesn't have the zero-cross detection
[23:11] <brasizza> that's when the wave are zero
[23:11] <brasizza> waves
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[23:11] <brasizza> but i'll try with a fan to se if works better
[23:12] <The_Borg> fan will have inertia so you wont see the off points
[23:12] <brasizza> that's what i tought
[23:12] <The_Borg> thats if it dont sit there and buzz
[23:12] <Callmea> i don't know nothing about dimmer and zero cross but if it can help you : http://wiki.dxarts.washington.edu/groups/general/wiki/4dd69/AC_Dimmer_Circuit.html
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[23:13] <Callmea> it s for Adruino but yi think you can easily adapt it to use with your pi
[23:13] <brasizza> i saw that
[23:14] <brasizza> the arduino has a specific port to measure de zero-cross
[23:14] <The_Borg> the pi has poins that can measure hi low
[23:14] <The_Borg> pins
[23:15] <brasizza> attachInterrupt(0, zero_cross_detect, RISING); // Attach an Interupt to Pin 2 (interupt 0) for Zero Cross Detection
[23:15] <Callmea> I see, ok you want to use analog port. They don't exist on raspberry
[23:15] <niston> not sure if there fast enough ?
[23:15] <The_Borg> they also have a timer on pins to count how long it takes to go hi
[23:15] <niston> as the OS wont be real time capable
[23:15] <brasizza> maybe i can use the add_event .....
[23:15] <niston> ie an IRQ could be missed or occur much later than expected
[23:15] <Callmea> i think*.l So the better way in my opinion would be to interface a mcu with analog ports to the raspberry
[23:15] <niston> (GPIO IRQ that is)
[23:16] <Callmea> And you can use serial or SPI to communicate between them (note it s only 3,3V on raspberry, arduino suno is 5V)
[23:16] <Callmea> uno*
[23:17] <brasizza> i'll try that, and i'll put some youtube video
[23:17] <brasizza> gotta go gyus , bye
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[23:24] <The_Borg> actualy looking at chips they have a good variaty of chips to support pi analog to digital
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[23:27] <Callmea> I ny opinion, the simplest and cheapest way is to use atmel chips. Pic18 chips are good too, but more difficult to beginners
[23:27] <Callmea> In my*
[23:28] <Callmea> When i say atmel is standlone atmgega lchips or arduino boards/clone
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[23:28] <Callmea> atmega, sorry for the mistakes
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[23:53] <ali1234> if you want to dim a lightbulb the easiest way is to just buy one that is controlled on bluetooth or wifi
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[23:55] <Callmea> ali1234, he has left :/
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