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IRC Log for 2015-05-19

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[0:00] <santoscrew> Hey guys. I have an arch pc and want to VM Win7 and use the raspi b+ as a thin client so i can play pokerstars on my pi. What is the best way to do it? vnc, spice, rdp? something else?
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[0:45] <cyberpolice> if i have put my rootfs on a usb and /boot remains on sdcard, and i want to backup both, do i dd the whole sdcard with /boot on it or just the partition on the sdcard? and what about the usb with rootfs?
[0:46] <ShorTie> make a directory like boot.bak on / and copy /boot to it
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[0:56] <cyberpolice> ShorTie: so the partition information or disk information isnt relevant for either?
[0:56] <ShorTie> yes it is important
[0:57] <cyberpolice> so then i need to dd backup the whole sdcard and whole usb, right
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[0:58] <cyberpolice> to restore my data, what kind of backup do i need to make, basically
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[0:58] <cyberpolice> ive had a usb drive die and dont want that to happen again
[0:58] <ShorTie> or just use an image to recreate the sdcard and copy boot back over
[0:59] <cyberpolice> ShorTie: image of?
[0:59] <ShorTie> normally not many changes in /boot
[1:00] <ShorTie> the usb stick is more important i guess
[1:00] <cehteh> do you really need a image backup ... it will be just fine when you do file backups, with rsync for example
[1:00] <cyberpolice> well i guess thats what i was trying to ask
[1:00] <cyberpolice> so i dont need to dd, i can just rsync the files for backup
[1:06] <cehteh> i have a backup server here which does backups with rsync, daily snapshots, deleting old backups as disk gets fuller, rsync hardlinks files which havent changed so i can keeps a dailly backup from a lot other hosts (about 10 servers or so) in few 100GB space, spanning half a year or so
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[1:06] <cehteh> also added the rpi to the backup server, works just fine
[1:06] <cyberpolice> cehteh: how do you take daily snapshots
[1:06] <cehteh> i have a script running by cron
[1:06] <cehteh> mostly rsync but some code around
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[1:06] <ShorTie> might look at rpi-clone, think it might work for you
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[1:06] <ShorTie> after the 1st pass, it uses rsync to keep things up to date
[1:06] <cehteh> http://public.pipapo.org/rstore
[1:07] <cyberpolice> ShorTie: thats interesting. thanks
[1:07] <cehteh> i prolly should document that stuff better :D
[1:07] <cehteh> quite small for a big backup solution :)
[1:08] <cyberpolice> neat hehe
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[1:09] <cehteh> $ rstore info.rstore | wc -l
[1:09] <cehteh> 2148
[1:09] <cehteh> 2k backupsets on the server, that are millions of files
[1:09] <cehteh> last time i did a du -a there it took a few days :)
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[1:16] <cehteh> ... 50 Mio files :) . had the old du output around,
[1:16] <ShorTie> 'rm -rf /' would take care of that
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[1:17] <cehteh> better not :D
[1:17] <cehteh> whiile i think that will take quite a while too
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[1:20] <McBride36> nothin' like being on a computer by the lakeside whilst hammocking
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[1:38] <Callmea> Kernel compilation : 5 min \o/ :D
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[1:38] <Klong> Some things take really long time to compile on pi
[1:39] <Froolap> like kernels?
[1:39] <Callmea> Klong, i m agree it s why i cross cvompile it on my pc
[1:39] <Klong> I have done soething that took an hour once
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[1:40] <Callmea> on fold pentium it tooks several hours to compile ^^
[1:40] <Callmea> olds*
[1:42] <Klong> I can imagine that. My first pc was a 386
[1:43] <Callmea> Klong, it was the good time... or not :D
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[1:44] <Sonny_Jim> Took me best part of 4 days to compile MESS
[1:44] <Sonny_Jim> Linking alone took something like 14hrs
[1:44] <Callmea> Sonny, with what kind of computer? ^ ^
[1:45] <Sonny_Jim> Pi
[1:45] <Callmea> Why don'y you cross ccompile it?
[1:45] <Callmea> compile*
[1:46] <Sonny_Jim> Because I don't have another Linux box anywhere
[1:46] <Sonny_Jim> Plus, it's not like I actually had to do anything for those 4 days
[1:46] <Callmea> It s a good reason :)
[1:47] <Callmea> This evening, i m trying to replace a module by built in addon in kernel dor my lcd screen
[1:47] <Callmea> for*
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[1:53] <Klong> Unsure if it was quake or nodejs that took so long time to compile
[1:54] <Caver> well as they say - everyone needs a hobby
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[1:59] <Callmea> sorry, bug
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[3:01] <Dorf> hi. brand new to raspberry pi. i'd like to get a wifi dongle that handles 5ghz. any recommendations?
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[3:08] <Berg> that would be a lot of data every second
[3:08] <Berg> lots
[3:08] <cehteh> ghz he saied
[3:08] <Berg> z
[3:08] <Berg> ooo
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[3:18] <Berg> Mini AC600 High Performance 2.4GHz 5GHz Dual Band WiFi Wireless USB Adapter
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[3:24] <Berg> - RPi detected it out of the box.
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[3:40] <azizLIGHT> Hi
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[3:41] <Berg> hello
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[3:41] <azizLIGHT> I did apt-get update and upgrade and moved sdcard and USB from pi1 to pi2. I don't see anything on hdmi output, but everything else is working
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[3:44] <azizLIGHT> And man o man is pi2 amazing or what
[3:44] <azizLIGHT> Lovely
[3:44] <Berg> :)
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[3:44] <Berg> no more waiting for the paint to dry?
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[3:45] <Berg> I never had the first PI i got the pi2 so im happy with it
[3:46] <Dorf> Berg: thanks... that's exactly what i'm looking for.
[3:46] <Berg> my tuna taste like chicken
[3:46] <DANtheBEASTman> does arch-arm work as well as I hope it well on the rpi? anyone here tried funtoo on it?
[3:47] <azizLIGHT> Berg: well I just tried my openvpn connection, and it literally connected under a second
[3:47] <azizLIGHT> Before that, pi1 would take about 5-6 seconds
[3:47] <Dorf> just how powerful is a rpi?
[3:47] <azizLIGHT> Now I'm curious how epiphany browser feels on rpi2
[3:48] <DANtheBEASTman> Dorf: the new ones are a quadcore 900mhz arm board. it's about as powerful as a decent smartphone
[3:48] <Berg> yeah i found too that some software dont work as expected like chrome and midora are like chalk and cheese midora took ages to connect
[3:48] <Dorf> that's the one i have
[3:48] <azizLIGHT> What phone does it compare to?
[3:49] <Berg> you smart fone cant take the3 dog for a walk you rpi2 can
[3:49] <Dorf> have they added epiphany to the NOOBS raspbian distro yet?
[3:49] <DANtheBEASTman> azizLIGHT: i would google '900mhz quadcore smartphone' if I wanted to explore that idea more
[3:49] <azizLIGHT> Yea
[3:50] <azizLIGHT> Any ideas on where I should look about my hdmi output? I see nothing
[3:50] <Berg> one sec ill check
[3:50] <DANtheBEASTman> azizLIGHT: did you run the config tool?
[3:50] <pksato> azizLIGHT: try enable hdmi using tvservice command
[3:51] <azizLIGHT> I believe I had hdmi working on rpi1 before I swapped the sdcard to rpi2
[3:51] <azizLIGHT> Is there something additional for rpi2 to work hdmi
[3:51] <azizLIGHT> DANtheBEASTman: that's rpi-config right?
[3:52] <azizLIGHT> My cpu is like under 2% use.. Rpi1 was 20-30%
[3:52] <azizLIGHT> I love this!
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[3:55] <Berg> my isp is rubbish
[3:55] <ozzzy> mine sux... but it suxs less than the others
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[3:56] <Dorf> hmm.. not getting a connection
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[3:58] <Berg> hdmi just works out of the box on my pi2
[3:58] <Berg> had to tell it to use the sound jack not hdmi
[3:58] <Berg> i dont have sound on my monitor
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[4:00] <Dorf> the internet is extremely slow on it
[4:00] <Dorf> is that normal?
[4:00] <ozzzy> pretty much
[4:00] <Dorf> that is unfortunate
[4:01] <Berg> well when my pc's connect over lan its super fast
[4:01] <Berg> like i said depends what web browser you use
[4:01] <Dorf> i'm in epiphany now. what's you're recommendation?
[4:01] <ozzzy> it's slow with epiphany and really slow with chromium
[4:02] <Dorf> well damn
[4:02] <Berg> i have no recomendations i used chrome to have the web widgets it supports
[4:02] <Dorf> there goes pretty much the only reason i picked one up.
[4:03] <Berg> im not having any issue with chromium
[4:03] <pksato> is not internet that is slow. RPi 2D graphics is slow.
[4:03] <Berg> might be
[4:03] <ozzzy> the perception is the reality
[4:04] <Berg> i think if your used to instant gratification it would be anoying
[4:05] <Dorf> well here's my purpose. i'm going to be building a large kind of dashboard using primarily JS (Ember, Node, and the like) and that is going to be housed on a mac mini that is going to be used as a server
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[4:05] <Dorf> i want to use the rpi(s) as the endpoints to display this dashboard
[4:06] <Dorf> is it realistic to think that i could hook a rpi into a large display and show this dashboard with various tiles and some streaming video?
[4:06] <Berg> I used chromium to allow my bottle server to display html5 gizmos
[4:06] <Berg> the other browsers dint support it
[4:07] <Dorf> i thought epiphany was supposed to support it now? at least that's what the video i just watched said
[4:07] <azizLIGHT> I don't see any hdmi options in raspi-config besides the audio setting?
[4:08] <Berg> no idea on that
[4:08] <azizLIGHT> I don't even see the boot log
[4:08] <Dorf> and it's not just the browser that's slow, it's the internet. it's saying 2+ hours to download chromium
[4:09] <Dorf> i'm on the same network on this laptop
[4:09] <Berg> might not need any
[4:09] <azizLIGHT> Brb
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[4:10] <Berg> took minutes for me
[4:10] <Berg> interesting are you wifi or lan?
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[4:10] <Dorf> wifi
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[4:11] <Berg> hmm
[4:11] <Berg> maybe your dongle is slow?
[4:11] <Dorf> i'll trust you to stay out of my personal life
[4:12] <Berg> or is other folks conneting to your wifi and leaching on you?
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[4:12] <Berg> :)
[4:12] <Dorf> no... i keep an eye on the mac addresses on my network
[4:12] <Dorf> just ran speedtest from my phone and got very good results
[4:12] <Dorf> must be the stub
[4:13] <Berg> yes
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[4:13] <Dorf> i might spend the dough on a decent dual band as well. i bookmarked the one you told me about
[4:13] <Berg> you mac on the same network?
[4:14] <azizLIGHT> its working
[4:14] <azizLIGHT> loose hdmi plug
[4:14] <azizLIGHT> http://i.imgur.com/RhWZZX8h.jpg
[4:14] <Dorf> my laptop is on the same router, but different band
[4:15] <Berg> set it up the same as the laptop
[4:15] <Dorf> azizLIGHT: time not important. only life important
[4:15] <Berg> might fix your issue
[4:15] <Dorf> the laptop uses 5GHz
[4:15] <Berg> thats looks pretty azizLIGHT
[4:16] <azizLIGHT> :D :D :D
[4:16] <azizLIGHT> i love the pi2
[4:16] <Dorf> i... am not thrilled yet. i might take it upstairs and try lan
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[4:17] <Dorf> if nothing else, i'll replace the desktop in my arcade cabinet
[4:17] <The_Borg> hi im bergs pi
[4:17] <The_Borg> how do i see what ghz its using?
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[4:24] <The_Borg> this think keeps on crashing the py when i run my timer program
[4:24] <The_Borg> and i cant find out why
[4:25] <The_Borg> i looks at logs but they dont tell me much
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[4:49] <giddles> hmm
[4:49] <xxValiumxx> hmm?
[4:50] <xxValiumxx> Anyone here messing with lasers?
[4:50] <giddles> suvelliance pi, is it able to build some accu that work 10-14 days?
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[4:50] <giddles> anyone experience on it?
[4:52] <Klong> What are you gonna do with lasers xxValiumxx?
[4:52] <giddles> hehe laser you need the bl ones :)
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[5:03] <McBride36> xxValiumxx, yo
[5:03] <McBride36> lasers
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[5:06] <skyroveRR> Suppose I'm using a flash drive on the raspberry pi as a boot and a storage medium, and I've got a ZNC IRC bouncer that has the log module that saves conversations to the flash drive.. and the conversations that are logged are about 1-3 kB every second depending on the individual channel's activity, is it possible to determine the lifetime of the flash drive when you write and commit that much data to
[5:06] <skyroveRR> the drive every second?
[5:06] <giddles> i need dr tesla .P i need some wlan ac power....
[5:06] <giddles> dc pardon
[5:09] <xxValiumxx> Hi McBride36, Klong got distracted. Just made a label sheet, that's all. https://www.poweredbyredstone.com/laser/LaserSticker.pdf
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[5:10] <Callmea> my 2inch spi ili9341 with my kernel built in is working \o/
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[5:14] <Klong> xxValiumxx: Is that your blog on that domain?
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[5:18] <xxValiumxx> Klong yeah'
[5:18] <xxValiumxx> thats me
[5:18] <Klong> You seem to do a lot of nice diy projects
[5:19] <xxValiumxx> I try.
[5:19] <xxValiumxx> I'm doing the labels for the laser cutter that should be here in the next day or so
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[5:19] <xxValiumxx> I also have the original SVG, if you like.
[5:20] <Klong> What are you doing with a laser cutter?
[5:20] <xxValiumxx> that's the great part. I haven't a clue.
[5:21] <xxValiumxx> it's a sultion in need of a problem.
[5:21] <xxValiumxx> real talk though, I'm going to make a raspberry-pi B+ case, for one.
[5:21] <xxValiumxx> maybe etch some microscope slides.
[5:21] <Klong> What materials can you cut with it+
[5:22] <xxValiumxx> nothic with chlorine, like vynil or PVC
[5:22] <xxValiumxx> nothing*
[5:22] <xxValiumxx> it will cut, but the fumes are toxic
[5:22] <xxValiumxx> but acrylic/plexiglass, MDF, wood, all fair game
[5:23] <xxValiumxx> paper, cardbboard, no metals
[5:23] <xxValiumxx> it can etch some metals, and engrave anodized auminium.
[5:23] <Klong> Nice
[5:25] <Klong> I also have a b+
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[5:30] <Klong> There was a kickstarter for a pi b+ case so I got one from there
[5:39] <xxValiumxx> and tracking says!!!!
[5:40] <xxValiumxx> http://puu.sh/hSAsx.png
[5:40] <xxValiumxx> bam!
[5:40] <xxValiumxx> tomorrow
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[5:51] <McBride36> xxValiumxx, my laser already has those stickers
[5:51] <McBride36> it's a welder
[5:52] <McBride36> http://www.laserstar.net/welding-products/1200-1900-industrial-work-stations.cfm
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[5:57] <xxValiumxx> McBride36 mine doesn't, its from china. well, it might. nice welder though.
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[6:52] <ThUnD3r|Gr33n> good morning.I have a problem with libkmod...as I'm not.really familiar with linux I.would need.some help.i updated the firmware and kernel but it.seems my wheel doesn't find it.
[6:54] <ThUnD3r|Gr33n> got this message:
[6:54] <ThUnD3r|Gr33n> Linux emevth 3.18.7-v7+ #755 SMP PREEMPT Thu Feb 12 17:20:48 GMT 2015 armv7l
[6:54] <ThUnD3r|Gr33n> The programs included with the Debian GNU/Linux system are free software;
[6:54] <ThUnD3r|Gr33n> the exact distribution terms for each program are described in the
[6:54] <ThUnD3r|Gr33n> individual files in /usr/share/doc/*/copyright.
[6:54] <ThUnD3r|Gr33n> Debian GNU/Linux comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY, to the extent
[6:54] <ThUnD3r|Gr33n> permitted by applicable law.
[6:54] <ThUnD3r|Gr33n> Last login: Tue May 19 06:53:11 2015 from 37.160.220.66
[6:54] <ThUnD3r|Gr33n> root@emevth:~# modprobe cfis -f
[6:54] <ThUnD3r|Gr33n> libkmod: ERROR ../libkmod/libkmod.c:554 kmod_search_moddep: could not open moddep file '/lib/modules/3.18.7-v7+/modules.dep.bin'
[6:54] <ThUnD3r|Gr33n> root@emevth:~#
[6:55] <Berg> ThUnD3r|Gr33n: open a console and to "sudo apt-get installe libkmod-dev
[6:55] <McBride36> -e
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[6:55] <ThUnD3r|Gr33n> this is.thwarting same message I have when I boot the pi ..but It boots anyway..
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[6:57] <ThUnD3r|Gr33n> now I.guess I.should.reboot?
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[6:57] <Berg> i guess
[6:58] <ThUnD3r|Gr33n> ok.. reboot..will see...
[6:58] <ThUnD3r|Gr33n> thanks so of.far.will come back if the prob is not.fixed...
[7:07] <ThUnD3r|Gr33n> error message still appears
[7:07] <ThUnD3r|Gr33n> do I have.to.check.something in fstab ?
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[7:08] <Berg> I have no more solutions
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[7:09] <Berg> there is a command to make it check for broken libs
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[7:11] <methuzla> what's cfis?
[7:12] <ThUnD3r|Gr33n> GNU nano 2.2.6 File: /etc/fstab
[7:12] <ThUnD3r|Gr33n> proc /proc proc defaults 0 0 /dev/mmcblk0p1 /boot vfat defaults 0 2
[7:12] <ThUnD3r|Gr33n> I have the feeling the boot partition is.not in my fstab
[7:13] <ThUnD3r|Gr33n> vfat is not the linux boot I guess...
[7:13] <Berg> try a diff os
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[7:13] <Berg> is it a new install?
[7:14] <ThUnD3r|Gr33n> upgrade
[7:15] <ThUnD3r|Gr33n> I don't know what.went wrong.but someone already fixed it.for.me.and.it.was in the fstab if.I well remind
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[7:15] <ThUnD3r|Gr33n> he said that the partition was not mentioned in.the fstab....
[7:15] <Berg> I had a dog named fstab i shot it
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[7:16] <ThUnD3r|Gr33n> well done!
[7:16] <ThUnD3r|Gr33n> ;)
[7:16] <Berg> :)
[7:16] <ThUnD3r|Gr33n> rest in peace!!!
[7:16] <ThUnD3r|Gr33n> do u know shiftplusone?
[7:16] <ThUnD3r|Gr33n> he found.the.error
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[7:17] <Berg> nice
[7:18] <ThUnD3r|Gr33n> very nice
[7:18] <ThUnD3r|Gr33n> very nice guy
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[7:22] <ThinkingofPython> So, I managed to get a Windows RT image from a Surface
[7:23] <ThinkingofPython> Am curious to see if it likes the Pi2
[7:24] <Berg> how many times you tryed so far ThinkingofPython
[7:25] <ThinkingofPython> None yet. Been looking into it. Asked around here, and found that a few people were trying as well
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[7:25] <Berg> THE GODS OF FREE SOFTWARE ARE WORKING AGAINST YOU take the hint
[7:25] <Berg> :)
[7:27] <Berg> https://dev.windows.com/en-US/iot
[7:27] <Berg> win10 for pi
[7:28] <Berg> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TyvQQXFvSak
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[7:28] <Berg> ThinkingofPython: looki there
[7:28] <ThinkingofPython> IOT != WHat I need :(
[7:28] <ThinkingofPython> Want a desktop experience.
[7:29] <Berg> its win
[7:29] <Berg> it is
[7:31] <ThinkingofPython> I cant view YT in CHina
[7:31] <ThinkingofPython> Can you sum up that video for me?
[7:31] <ThinkingofPython> From what I've seen IOT just has "NewApp"
[7:32] <ThinkingofPython> and not a desktop/start menu and such
[7:32] <Berg> no
[7:33] <ThinkingofPython> So, it doesn't have a desktop and startmenu (explore.exe and shell)
[7:33] <Berg> no
[7:33] <Berg> there is a guy here running win 8 from usb stiock
[7:33] <Berg> stickj
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[7:35] <ThinkingofPython> So okay then, as I said, IOT isn't what I need then
[7:35] <ThinkingofPython> I need desktop, start menu, etc
[7:35] <ThinkingofPython> And hmm, how'd he get win 8 running on a Pi2?
[7:35] <Berg> \im looking now
[7:35] <Berg> im not understandiung
[7:36] <Berg> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYQyUqFck6I
[7:36] <Berg> have a look
[7:36] <ThinkingofPython> ThinkingofPython> I cant view YT in CHina
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[7:37] <Berg> sorry
[7:37] <Berg> hmm
[7:37] <ThinkingofPython> Pretty much, I want to use Windows on my Pi2. Whether it be Windows RT, Windows IOT (if it had a desktop, start menu, etc), etc is fine
[7:37] <Berg> they have some links to theiir stuff
[7:37] <Berg> one sec
[7:40] <Berg> Hackaday Blogpost:
[7:40] <Berg> http://hackaday.com/2013/02/28/hackad...
[7:40] <Berg> Shackspace Blogpost:
[7:40] <Berg> http://shackspace.de/?p=3859
[7:40] <Berg> Full Description and HowTo:
[7:40] <Berg> http://shackspace.de/wiki/doku.php?id...
[7:40] <Berg> thats all they have on their youtube channel'
[7:41] <Berg> http://shackspace.de/wiki/doku.php?id=berries#usbip
[7:41] <Berg> http://shackspace.de/?p=3859
[7:42] <Berg> https://www.youtube.com/redirect?q=http%3A%2F%2Fhackaday.com%2F2013%2F02%2F28%2Fhackaday-links-february-28th-2013%2F&redir_token=4k-DQIoR9QG-JuZlF0Kxqj3z85d8MTQzMjEwMDM4NUAxNDMyMDEzOTg1
[7:42] <Berg> oops
[7:42] <Berg> silly links
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[7:43] <Berg> anyway thats the links
[7:43] <ThinkingofPython> Thanks man
[7:43] <ThinkingofPython> Gah in German lol
[7:45] <Berg> they spreeking hingrish oin the youtube
[7:45] <Berg> sorry man
[7:46] <Berg> anyway they said they have the win image on a usb stick
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[7:46] <ThinkingofPython> hmm nice
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[7:48] <Berg> if win is free and it dont phone home like ET it would be fine but most of it is not free
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[7:48] <ThinkingofPython> Hmm, it seems like they use a VNC
[7:48] <ThinkingofPython> So I dont even know if its windows actually running on it
[7:49] <Ullarah> No it isn't.
[7:49] <Ullarah> The IOT you see on a RPi is just a connection you can use with Visual Studio.
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[7:50] <Ullarah> It's not windows or anything like that. Windows is x86/x64 - RPi is armv6/v7
[7:50] <ThinkingofPython> Thus why I want RT hacked to work on it.
[7:50] <ThinkingofPython> Or for IOT to be hacked later on to run explorer.exe, shell, start menu etc
[7:51] <ThinkingofPython> RT is Armv7
[7:51] <pmumble> why a pi? just curiuos
[7:51] <pmumble> is it cost or something else?
[7:51] <ThinkingofPython> I've got my Pi2 connected to my Lapdock
[7:51] <ThinkingofPython> Having this for work would be great. Right now I have XFCE4/Raspian on it
[7:51] <ThinkingofPython> skinned to look like OSX
[7:52] <ThinkingofPython> Would just be nice to have a windows-ish environment
[7:52] <pmumble> gotcha
[7:52] <ThinkingofPython> Plus, why the heck not? :) Windows RT is for Arm. Pi runs ARM. They're a match made in heaven
[7:52] <Ullarah> ThinkingofPython, why not just get an 'Intel Compute'
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[7:52] <pmumble> i'm sure you'd make a lot of people happy if you could figure it out
[7:52] <Ullarah> It has Windows 8.1 on it.
[7:52] <ThinkingofPython> Too expensive here in China
[7:53] <Ullarah> ._.
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[7:53] <ThinkingofPython> Pi2 with case, 16GB UHS-I Class 10 Micro SD, cords, accessories, wifi dongle
[7:53] <ThinkingofPython> was 200cny ($40)
[7:53] <ThinkingofPython> Intel Stick is 1300cny
[7:53] <ThinkingofPython> Much more expensive
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[7:57] <ThinkingofPython> There's clones however
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[8:13] <UncleKiwi> hey there I just need a reminder of an sdcard that can deal with 24/7
[8:14] <UncleKiwi> they always seem to corrupt on me
[8:16] <ShorTie> then you need a better power supply and/or micro-usb power cable
[8:18] <Klong> I've used sandisk and have a pi running for more than a year so I would recommand those
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[8:24] <UncleKiwi> yeah im power is all good
[8:25] <UncleKiwi> im just reading about the advanced wear leveling on the sandisk extreme pro
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[8:25] <UncleKiwi> sounds like this is my best option
[8:25] <UncleKiwi> thanks Klong
[8:26] <UncleKiwi> are you using a sandisk extreme pro
[8:26] <Klong> Some cheap 4GB model of sandisk
[8:26] <UncleKiwi> hmmm
[8:26] <UncleKiwi> ok
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[8:26] <Klong> Never had any issues
[8:27] <UncleKiwi> yeah i have a cheap 4GB one that has gone corrupt
[8:27] <UncleKiwi> no gracefull shutdowns will do it
[8:27] <UncleKiwi> but i have seen them just die
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[8:44] <pmumble> if they go corrupt due to power is the card ruined or just a fs issue?
[8:44] <UncleKiwi> fs issues
[8:44] <UncleKiwi> i just flicked the lock switch
[8:45] <UncleKiwi> this will be interesting
[8:45] <UncleKiwi> does that make the card read only ?
[8:46] <UncleKiwi> follow my logic and tell me if it makes any sense
[8:46] <pmumble> i have a card that got messed up and it seems to keep failing now. maybe its just a bad card. oh well.
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[8:46] <UncleKiwi> i have moved all except /boot from the sdcard
[8:46] <UncleKiwi> (the lock on the side is set)
[8:46] <ShorTie> that switch is not seen by the pi
[8:46] <UncleKiwi> how can it corrup it now ?
[8:47] <UncleKiwi> but is the switch not done at the card level
[8:47] <ShorTie> it's just a blob of plastic
[8:47] <UncleKiwi> oh :(
[8:47] <UncleKiwi> can i mount boot read only
[8:48] <ShorTie> what model pi do you have if i can ask ??
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[8:48] <UncleKiwi> b+ i think
[8:48] <UncleKiwi> it has 2 usb ports
[8:48] <UncleKiwi> its not a rpi2
[8:49] <ShorTie> a B+ has 4 usb ports
[8:49] <UncleKiwi> all i need the sdcard is to boot
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[8:49] <UncleKiwi> but im tired of corruption
[8:49] <ShorTie> you got a volt meter ??
[8:49] <UncleKiwi> yeah
[8:49] <UncleKiwi> bu i have a heap of different power supplys
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[8:50] <UncleKiwi> and im getting issues across all
[8:50] <ShorTie> it's like 99.9% of the time, file corruption is do to bad power
[8:50] <UncleKiwi> ah ok
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[8:50] <UncleKiwi> yeah i know i dropped the power on the pi
[8:50] <pmumble> is the red light not a good enough indication of sufficient power? because i have had a couple of card corrupts when it's solid
[8:50] <UncleKiwi> by mistake
[8:51] <ShorTie> how about your micro-usb power cable, is it 1 of those cheap phone charging cords ??
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[8:51] <UncleKiwi> nah its a solid good one
[8:51] <UncleKiwi> i think you took some detais from me once on this subject
[8:51] <ShorTie> got wire sizes printed on it ??
[8:51] <ShorTie> oh, ok
[8:52] <UncleKiwi> yeah you said it was ok in the pastr
[8:52] <UncleKiwi> *past
[8:52] <UncleKiwi> im just being paranoid now
[8:52] <UncleKiwi> i want to have the freedom to drop the power
[8:52] <ShorTie> have you measured the voltage from tp1 to tp2 then ??
[8:52] <UncleKiwi> and not corrupt the sdcard
[8:53] <Berg> why do you need to drop the power?
[8:53] <Berg> just curious
[8:53] <ShorTie> the pi has no control over wear leveling and if you get a voltage drop while the sdcard is doing it's thing then you get file corruption
[8:53] <UncleKiwi> Berg its not that i want to. its that if it ever happens by mistake I dont want to have to find a new sdcard
[8:54] <UncleKiwi> or reflash
[8:54] <UncleKiwi> can i make it readonly
[8:54] <pmumble> UncleKiwi: you can edit fstab to mount the fs read only
[8:55] <UncleKiwi> would that stop the need to write anything to the sdcard
[8:55] <pmumble> yeah, it'll accomplish what you're attempting to do
[8:55] <pmumble> just make sure you have anything you want to write on other partitions
[8:55] <pmumble> and they might get corrupted
[8:55] <UncleKiwi> yeah i have moved / to usb
[8:56] <UncleKiwi> yeah im most concerned with sdcard
[8:56] <UncleKiwi> i have SMART working nice on a my usb HDD
[8:56] <pmumble> well, if you drop power, you will corrupt the file system regardless of where it lives if it's not read only, but this is less of a problem on an external
[8:56] <pmumble> cool yeah ok
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[8:57] <UncleKiwi> so just confirming if i mount boot readonly then drop power there should be less chance for corruption ?
[8:57] <pmumble> i read an article about a guy who wanted to use the pi embedded in a situation where he could cut power abruptly and he did this to solve it, worked for him.
[8:57] <pmumble> i haven't done it myself
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[8:57] <UncleKiwi> pmuble : thats great news
[8:57] <pmumble> http://geraldnaveen.blogspot.com/2013/11/fixing-raspberry-pi-filesystem.html
[8:58] <UncleKiwi> thanks
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[8:58] <pmumble> is where i read it
[8:58] <UncleKiwi> its interesting when ya shutdown the pi ya can see it do a write to the sdcard after it has powered off
[8:59] <UncleKiwi> i think its soriting its S out at that point and if you dont let it do that you get corruption
[8:59] <UncleKiwi> it will be interesting to see if when i mount as ro if this still happens
[9:00] <ShorTie> the pi blinks the act light 10 times as the last thing it does on shutdown
[9:01] <UncleKiwi> ah ok
[9:01] <UncleKiwi> i thought the act light was writing to the sdcard
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[9:02] <ShorTie> it's just an led tied to a gpio pin, you can make it do what ever you want
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[9:02] <UncleKiwi> gr8
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[9:08] <UncleKiwi> i wonder why it would make a diff in mounting it ro
[9:08] <UncleKiwi> because whats writting to it anyway ?
[9:08] <UncleKiwi> if ya know what i mean
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[9:11] <ShorTie> mounting it ro doesn't really fix the root of the problem, imho
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[9:18] <UncleKiwi> do you think it can prevent the sdcard from getting corrupted
[9:18] <UncleKiwi> as this would be the only thing in use on it /boot
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[9:20] <ShorTie> once the kernel is loaded during boot, i think it is preaty much done with /boot
[9:20] <skyroveRR> Suppose I'm using a flash drive on the raspberry pi as a boot and a storage medium, and I've got a ZNC IRC bouncer that has the log module that saves conversations to the flash drive.. and the conversations that are logged are about 1-3 kB every second depending on the individual channel's activity, is it possible to determine the lifetime of the flash drive when you write and commit that much data to
[9:20] <skyroveRR> the drive every second?
[9:20] <ShorTie> the rest is coming from /
[9:21] <ShorTie> No
[9:21] <skyroveRR> ?
[9:22] <skyroveRR> ShorTie: you replied to me?
[9:22] <ShorTie> can't boot from a flash drive anyways
[9:22] <ShorTie> ya, no
[9:22] <skyroveRR> ShorTie: well, the /boot is in the mem, rest is on the flash.
[9:22] <skyroveRR> mem = SD card.
[9:22] <skyroveRR> Since that's needed to boot.
[9:23] <ShorTie> i understand/know that, but you said you boot from it
[9:23] <ShorTie> which can't happen
[9:24] <skyroveRR> Uh, sorry for that misstatement.
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[9:25] <skyroveRR> ShorTie: but then, can the flash drive still last after such an amount of writes? What do you think?
[9:25] <ShorTie> and even the manufacture can't tell you how many read/writes it gonna do
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[9:26] <ShorTie> so i think your trying to figure out a imposible thing
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[9:31] <ShorTie> that is why manufactures rate stuff in MTBF, it's just an educated guess
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[9:44] <UncleKiwi> ok well im going to try mounting the /boot in ro
[9:44] <UncleKiwi> and see if it stops naffing the boot partition
[9:45] <ShorTie> didn't you say you have a volt meter, every measure the voltage between tp1 and tp2 ??
[9:45] <UncleKiwi> but i dont know how this would change anything
[9:46] <UncleKiwi> ok i'll do it
[9:46] <UncleKiwi> ...
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[9:54] <UncleKiwi> 4.7v
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[9:57] <UncleKiwi> 4.64V
[9:57] <UncleKiwi> Shortie: is that reading normal ?
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[9:58] <ShorTie> way to low
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[9:58] <ShorTie> can you measure the output of your power without the pi hooked up ??
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[9:59] <ShorTie> s/power/power supply/
[10:00] <UncleKiwi> they are chargers
[10:00] <UncleKiwi> that i have been using
[10:00] <ShorTie> so
[10:00] <UncleKiwi> 3.15amp
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[10:00] <UncleKiwi> ok whats easiest way to measure
[10:00] <UncleKiwi> do i need to cut a cable
[10:01] <ShorTie> doesn't tell us what the output voltage is
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[10:01] <ShorTie> depends on how good your probing skills are, just need the outside 2 pins
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[10:02] <UncleKiwi> i'll see if i kant blow up the power supply
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[10:03] <ShorTie> you can always just stick a pin through the cable to make a real small probe
[10:04] <ShorTie> or if you have an extra set of meter leads, cut the probes off and stick a pin up the wire
[10:04] <ShorTie> that is what i use, lol.
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[10:06] <UncleKiwi> ok 5.11VOLT
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[10:06] <ShorTie> yup, just what i figured
[10:06] <UncleKiwi> ok so whats the problem
[10:07] <ShorTie> the micro-usb power cable
[10:07] <UncleKiwi> and howdo i fix it
[10:07] <ShorTie> your dropping to much voltage across the cable
[10:07] <UncleKiwi> ok wait i have several
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[10:08] <ShorTie> look for 1 that has printing on it, like 2-28awg/2-24awg
[10:08] <ShorTie> nice thick 1, lol.
[10:08] <ShorTie> kinda stiff
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[10:12] <UncleKiwi> is 4.84 V ok ?
[10:12] <UncleKiwi> what should it be ?
[10:12] <UncleKiwi> thats TP1 to TP2
[10:13] <ShorTie> it's alot better
[10:13] <ShorTie> could be better, but you would most likely have to make your own cable for that .. :/~
[10:14] <UncleKiwi> so this maybe the issue
[10:14] <UncleKiwi> of the sdcard corruption
[10:14] <ShorTie> pi wants 5vdc +/- 0.2 volts
[10:15] <UncleKiwi> ok
[10:15] <ShorTie> so that is like just in the range
[10:15] <UncleKiwi> yeah
[10:15] <ShorTie> now if you start working the pi and loading up the usb, it still might drop a little more
[10:16] <UncleKiwi> i have some short think cables but i also think one of my powersupplys gives 4.9V
[10:16] <UncleKiwi> so its low before i even start
[10:16] <UncleKiwi> i didnt have a network cable in
[10:16] <ShorTie> just gives no room for cable voltage loose
[10:17] <ShorTie> i got usb ends off of ebay, like 10 for a buck, and make up cables with 18awg wire
[10:17] <ShorTie> big big difference
[10:18] <ShorTie> i can shoot 5vdc 30' with no problems
[10:18] <UncleKiwi> ok i guess this is what i need to do
[10:19] <ShorTie> if your a ebay'r, try a search for 'micro usb 22awg'
[10:19] <UncleKiwi> was it tricky to make the cables ?
[10:20] <ShorTie> depends on your soldering skills, but not really
[10:21] <ShorTie> seeing as the D+/D- lines are not used, your only dealling with 2 wires
[10:22] <UncleKiwi> this is what is on my cable - B 28/1PR+26/C2
[10:22] <UncleKiwi> 75 DEG C
[10:22] <ShorTie> ya, see the 26 is still small
[10:23] <ShorTie> that is 2 28awg data wires with 2 26awg power wires
[10:23] <ShorTie> remember wire size #'s are backwards, the smaller the # the bigger the wire
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[10:23] <UncleKiwi> ah ok
[10:23] <UncleKiwi> :(
[10:24] <UncleKiwi> so 22awg is ok
[10:24] <UncleKiwi> ?
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[10:24] <ShorTie> ya, most likely
[10:25] <UncleKiwi> they make an 18awg one
[10:25] <UncleKiwi> on ebay
[10:25] <ShorTie> 18awg is kinda over kill, but that is me, lol.
[10:26] <UncleKiwi> so do you think this is the cause of corruption
[10:26] <ShorTie> really, sweet, never searched for it, dum dum me .. :/~
[10:26] <ShorTie> yes sir
[10:26] <UncleKiwi> ok I thank for you help
[10:26] <UncleKiwi> i need to buy some cables
[10:27] <ShorTie> No Problem
[10:27] <UncleKiwi> or look at all the cables i have incase i have one that will work
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[10:30] <ShorTie> load up the usb and see how far it drops
[10:30] <UncleKiwi> ok
[10:30] <ShorTie> like copy a big file over the ethernet
[10:30] <UncleKiwi> ah ok
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[10:31] <UncleKiwi> hmm ok so its basically just asking for trouble
[10:31] <ShorTie> you start dipping into the 4.7's, your pushing it
[10:31] <ShorTie> yup.
[10:32] <UncleKiwi> $8 dollars for the cable
[10:32] <ShorTie> that micro-usb cable means so much, but is so over looked, imho
[10:32] <UncleKiwi> delivered
[10:32] <ShorTie> Cool
[10:33] <UncleKiwi> so you have have pi's with large uptimes
[10:33] <UncleKiwi> and they dont corrupt
[10:33] <UncleKiwi> ?
[10:33] <ShorTie> see a cell phone or what ever doesn't care if it drops a 1/2volt across the cable
[10:34] <ShorTie> because it is only charging a 3.7volt battery
[10:34] <UncleKiwi> ah i see
[10:34] <day> UncleKiwi: why would they corrupt?
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[10:35] <UncleKiwi> day: well it seems they only corrupt when they dont get enough power
[10:35] <ShorTie> other then low voltage, not much reason to corrupt
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[10:35] <UncleKiwi> day: as a result of a rubbishy cable
[10:36] <UncleKiwi> or weak power supply
[10:36] <ShorTie> rpi2 are cool, if your cable is questionable and do the current hack
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[10:36] <ShorTie> they go into a infinit reboot, lol.
[10:37] <UncleKiwi> i will get an rpi2
[10:37] <UncleKiwi> eventually
[10:37] <UncleKiwi> but i need to get some quality cables first
[10:38] <ShorTie> the B+ might do it too, because i think it has the same power circuit
[10:38] <ShorTie> plus they have made the power light blink and the little rainbow popup
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[10:39] <UncleKiwi> ah so the rainbow is not normal
[10:39] <UncleKiwi> on boot
[10:39] <ShorTie> but old <= B's, tp1 -tp2 is the only way to tell
[10:39] <UncleKiwi> ?
[10:40] <ShorTie> the big rainbow screen, ya that is normal
[10:40] <UncleKiwi> ok good
[10:40] <UncleKiwi> haha
[10:40] <ShorTie> i'm talking about a small 1 in the gui
[10:40] <UncleKiwi> ok i have never seen
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[10:41] <UncleKiwi> this power issue must only rare its head under some situations
[10:41] <UncleKiwi> i have had the pi's work sweet for like 3 months
[10:41] <ShorTie> it's only there if you have the newer power circuit where they monitor the power by way of a gpio pin
[10:41] <day> it would be so awesome if it was possible to power the rpi2 via PoE :/
[10:42] <UncleKiwi> yeah PoE would be great
[10:42] <ShorTie> there is like no PoE standards, so kinda hard to do it without posible fry jobs
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[10:47] <UncleKiwi> so with the 18awg cable how much drop will i get over a short cable
[10:47] <tawr> depends on current draw UncleKiwi
[10:47] <tawr> just type in 'wire gauge voltage drop' on google for a calculator
[10:47] <UncleKiwi> thanks
[10:47] <ShorTie> most likely, next to nothing
[10:48] <ShorTie> or not enough to worry about
[10:48] <UncleKiwi> yeah i think one of my power supplys is only putting out 4.98V
[10:48] <UncleKiwi> and the other one 5.11
[10:48] <UncleKiwi> im wondering if the 4.98V one is usable with the 18awg cable
[10:49] <ShorTie> ya, well, that is a no load reading, so it's like just an idea
[10:49] <ShorTie> not a true full load reading
[10:49] <UncleKiwi> ok so it means nothing
[10:50] <ShorTie> but, imho, you shouldn't use more then 70-80% of full load
[10:50] <UncleKiwi> ok so 18awg will make a big diff
[10:50] <ShorTie> you have no room for current in-rushes
[10:50] <UncleKiwi> ok well i'
[10:51] <UncleKiwi> ok well i have a little spend up on cables
[10:51] <UncleKiwi> *i'll
[10:51] <ShorTie> that is why the foudation recommends a 2.5amp supply for the rpi2
[10:53] <UncleKiwi> ok well i have a 2amp and a 3.15amp
[10:53] <UncleKiwi> but my cables were no good
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[10:56] <turtlehat> hello guys, is there some sort of device like a mutex that restricts writing, but allows unrestricted reading?
[10:56] <turtlehat> wrong chan
[10:56] <UncleKiwi> all i have hooked up to the pi is a USB ups and powered usb hub
[10:57] <UncleKiwi> and im using the NIC
[10:58] <ShorTie> the nic goes thru the usb
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[10:59] <ShorTie> and the sdcard i believe
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[10:59] <ShorTie> that is why it is so easy to swamp the usb
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[10:59] <UncleKiwi> interesting
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[11:23] <UncleKiwi> ShorTie: i discovered another reason the cables are rubbish i have
[11:24] <UncleKiwi> they are aluminium not copper
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[11:47] <Nindustries> Hi, why is force_turbo needed to enable overclocking of H.264 ?
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[11:51] <NedScott> Nindustries: overclocking of H.264? wat?
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[11:52] <Nindustries> NedScott: Well, the decoder or w/e.
[11:52] <Nindustries> GPU, ..
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[11:52] <bonip> Hi all, i'm about to purchase the raspberry pi 2, and i was just wondering if this power supply will be enough for it : Raspberry Pi Power Supply (5V 1 Amp) USB Micro
[11:53] <NedScott> that still doesn't make any sense to me
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[11:54] <Nindustries> NedScott: https://github.com/irtimmer/moonlight-embedded/issues/81#issuecomment-90366446
[11:55] <UncleKiwi> be very careful of the cable you use to run the pi
[11:55] <UncleKiwi> any pi
[11:55] <UncleKiwi> I have just learned a vauluable lesson
[11:56] <UncleKiwi> you should have a 2.5amp psu
[11:56] <NedScott> Nindustries: ah, for moonlight
[11:57] <bonip> hmm, yeah i thought that might be the case, this website only seems to sell 1 amp power supplies
[11:57] <bonip> thanks
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[12:04] <stronzino> hi
[12:05] <stronzino> someone can remove my old ban? (quellen)
[12:06] <stronzino> Davespice
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[12:10] <stronzino> the rpi2 900MHz quadcore is speeder than an old Intel Dual Core x86 1,67GHz (2007)?
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[12:11] <stronzino> noone knows it?
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[12:14] <stronzino> noob
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[12:17] <NedScott> stronzino: no
[12:17] <NedScott> not even close
[12:18] <stronzino> what no?
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[12:18] <NedScott> it's not faster
[12:18] <stronzino> :-(
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[12:20] <stronzino> why you say so?
[12:22] <NedScott> because it's true?
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[12:22] <NedScott> clock speed and number of cores means nothing when comparing two different processor families
[12:24] <Nindustries> NedScott: Its stills trange a GPU overclock requires force_turbo, no?
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[12:24] <NedScott> not necessarily
[12:25] <NedScott> force turbo being off means the pi will use less power
[12:25] <stronzino> where can i find a benchmark of rpi2 (for compare with my dual core 1,67GHz)?
[12:25] <NedScott> but in this situation there is no need to be concerned about power usage
[12:25] <Nindustries> NedScott: Sure, but without force_turbo the Pi will just up the clocks until the needed level
[12:26] <NedScott> yeah, but there's probably a slight delay or something
[12:26] <NedScott> as the pi will keep looking for a chance to use less power
[12:26] <NedScott> or something like that
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[12:28] <stronzino> i want to compare benchmark rpi2 with my dual core 1,67GHz
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[12:29] <Nindustries> hm
[12:29] <Nindustries> I wonder what the difference in power usage is
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[12:30] <NedScott> stronzino: http://www.htpcguides.com/raspberry-pi-2-vs-banana-pi-vs-x86-vs-x64-unrar-par2-benchmarks/
[12:30] <HotCoder> hello :)
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[13:05] <citroniks> hi to all
[13:06] <citroniks> i want to connect finger print model to pi how to connect
[13:06] <citroniks> please help me
[13:06] <ShorTie> wires ??
[13:08] <citroniks> serial to usb ,, usb for pi and serial to model
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[13:09] <citroniks> ShadowJK, serial to usb ,, usb for pi and serial to model
[13:10] <citroniks> ShadowJK, sorry
[13:10] <pksato> Fingerprint scanner/reader?
[13:10] <citroniks> pklaus, scanner
[13:11] <citroniks> ShorTie, serial to usb ,, usb for pi and serial to model
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[13:15] <pksato> not have a usb interface? is for "industrial" use?
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[13:16] <ShorTie> sorry, that makes no sense to me, a link to the product might give a better idea
[13:16] <citroniks> pklaus, no normal inter facing it not necessary for usb any is ok
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[13:18] <citroniks> pksato, sorry sorry
[13:18] <pksato> you dont have one on hands?
[13:20] <NedScott> first you have to rub oil on it
[13:20] <NedScott> and chant
[13:20] <NedScott> while naked
[13:21] <NedScott> that way the drivers load in the correct order
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[13:47] <Froolap> how
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[14:01] <ahop> Hi there!
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[14:24] <Dorf> got a question. last night i booted raspbian and installed chromium. i went to youtube and the entire site was skewed
[14:24] <Dorf> it was fine on epiphany, but chromium didn't play nice
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[14:25] <Froolap> that surprises you?
[14:25] <Dorf> well since i've had my rpi for less than 24 hours, yes... yes it did
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[14:26] <ionte> hi. i would like to attach a simple speaker to the raspberry pi, and i would like to *not* connect it to the audio output, but rather use a PWM on the GPIO header. just a quick reality check: will that be very hard to accomplish? i guess i must hack the audio drivers a bit?
[14:26] <Froolap> chrome has it's own internal vew of flash. it doesn't always play nice with the flash that gets upgrades
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[14:27] <brasizza> good morning guys
[14:28] <Froolap> ionte: I don't know if that's even possible. that's the first I've heard of that idea
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[14:29] <Froolap> Hello is not a question, therefore it will not get an answer.
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[14:29] <pksato> what is a simple speaker? a small audio speaker, a beeper? old headphone drive?
[14:30] <pmjdebruijn> Froolap: I don't think chromium has that flash thing by default... and I doubt that the case on ARM
[14:30] <Froolap> maybe he was refering to the speaker of the house being a simpleton.
[14:30] <ThinkingofPython> Can Pi2 run ChromeOS?
[14:30] <Froolap> it's called pepperflash
[14:31] <Dorf> alright. any suggestions on how i might be able to fix that? i want to use it for a big project, but it hinges on video playback in a large scale
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[14:31] <pksato> I think, is possible to reroute one of pwm channel to gpio header pin, and still acting as audio output.
[14:31] <ionte> pksato: not a beeper, an 8 ohm speaker. i use an LM386 as amplifier and I'm aware of the filtering required for the PWM. What I'm not sure about is how to make Raspberry send sound to a PWM.
[14:32] <pmjdebruijn> Froolap: I know, but I don't think chromium typically has pepperflash by default (in contrast to chrome)
[14:32] <pksato> ionte: 3.5mm audio jack are connected to two hw pwm channels.
[14:32] <pmjdebruijn> so Dorf's issue may be with html5 video playback
[14:32] <BobWansink> Hi guys, I'm a rpi beginner struggling with i2c. Is anyone here knowledgable in that area?
[14:33] <Dorf> it wasn't the video.. it was as if someone put a transform: skew on the entire site
[14:33] <shiftplusone> BobWansink: Ask the question and find out.
[14:33] <ionte> pksato: yeah, so it seems like it should be simple to change the driver to another pwm.. i'm hoping..
[14:33] <pksato> that another pwm?
[14:34] <pksato> rpi have only two pwm channels. both are used to audio.
[14:35] <BobWansink> I've connected the i2c chip to the rpi on the gpio pins 3,5, and 9. After installing i2ctools I'm able to detect the chip on address 0x44, but i2cset doesn't change any values, and i2cdump/i2cget always returns 0x01 for each register I query. I'm struggling to find out what's wrong
[14:35] <BobWansink> i2cset doesn't fail, it just returns without a message or error
[14:36] <BobWansink> The datasheet for the chip also mentions it is on address 0x88, even though the chip is found on address 0x44 on the rpi
[14:36] <BobWansink> probably because the LSB doesnt fit on the 7 bit address range
[14:36] <ali1234> i2c uses 7 bit addressing with the low bit indicating read/write
[14:37] <ionte> pksato: uhm.. ok... so is there no hardware pwm on the gpio header then?
[14:38] <ionte> i guess i just presumed there was...
[14:38] <ali1234> yes there is
[14:38] <ali1234> i have done this
[14:38] <BobWansink> is addressing an 8-bit address possible with i2c? If so, how?
[14:38] <ali1234> just set gpio 18 to pwm mode and then play sounds the normal way
[14:39] <ionte> yes, found it now, GPIO18 or pin 12. so i guess i get the unfiltered audio output on that pin then?
[14:39] <ali1234> yes
[14:39] <ionte> ali1234: great! thanks! better than i was hoping for!
[14:39] <ali1234> however note that you can't use wiringpi to do this
[14:39] <ali1234> if you use wiringpi to set gpio 18 to pwm mode it will disable audio
[14:39] <ali1234> you have to set the registers yourself manually
[14:40] <ali1234> BobWansink: no, only 7 bit or 12 bit
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[14:40] <ThinkingofPython> Can the Pi2 run ChromiumOS?
[14:40] <pksato> I told early that one of pwm channel can be routed to gpio pin.
[14:40] <ionte> ali1234: ok. i havn't used wiringpi or the gpio so far, except an SPI module through a kernel driver
[14:40] <ThinkingofPython> I know Hexxah did it for Pi1
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[14:43] <shiftplusone> If you're enough of a wizard. Hexxeh knew chromiumos inside out and was already experienced with making it run on unsupported devices. ChromiumOS has changed a fair bit since then and there's not much interest in it right now. Perhaps after the kms/mesa stuff is ready, someone might do it.
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[14:44] <Hexxeh> You basically need the KMS/mesa work
[14:44] <ThinkingofPython> ah
[14:44] <ThinkingofPython> Oh, Hexxeh is here lol
[14:44] <ThinkingofPython> Sorry I spelt your name wrong.
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[14:44] <ThinkingofPython> So, it's updated since you've played around with it, and now it requires more "hacking" to use on the Pi/Pi2?
[14:44] <Hexxeh> Too slow with swrast and I don't think its even a supported rendering path anymore
[14:45] <Hexxeh> I played around for pi2
[14:45] <ThinkingofPython> Ah, it sucks that the Pi2 is even too slow for it :(
[14:45] <Hexxeh> I went and bought one in person on launch day to try it :P
[14:45] <Hexxeh> It's not, it just needs the appropriate graphics stack
[14:45] <Hexxeh> And it isn't ready yet
[14:45] <ThinkingofPython> ah
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[14:46] <ThinkingofPython> Are there some expected updates that would make it ready? Or do you mean Pi3 ;)
[14:46] <Hexxeh> If the foundation gives me a shout once it is, I'll work with them to make it happen
[14:46] <ThinkingofPython> ah alright
[14:46] <Hexxeh> Yes, there's ongoing work as shiftplusone mentioned
[14:46] <ThinkingofPython> I'm just interested in using the Pi2 for different OS's
[14:47] <ThinkingofPython> Right now have Raspian with XFCE4 on it
[14:47] <ThinkingofPython> Would love to try Win RT and ChromiumOS
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[14:48] <Hexxeh> shiftplusone: Speaking of which, what's the latest on that work?
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[14:49] <ThinkingofPython> inb4 shiftplusone works for raspberrypi
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[14:51] <michal_f> hello
[14:52] <shiftplusone> Hexxeh: the last few emails I saw from Eric to the mailing list seemed quite promising. I think there's enough to work from, but I don't know. I think you'd need to get in touch with anholt to get the specifics (goes by the same name on freenode).
[14:53] <shiftplusone> Hexxeh: the concern here is that if you get it all working, we're all still clueless about maintaining it. I think it took Rob months to even replicate what you had on the pi 1 back then.
[14:54] <ThinkingofPython> It sucks that the Pi education fund is on hold until the new CEO comes
[14:55] <Hexxeh> shiftplusone: I can get all the changes and board config upstreamed and hopefully get Google to inherit it and make it a nightly on their infra
[14:57] <ThinkingofPython> Since I work as a teacher, I've been working on an idea that I'd love to submit for it D:
[14:57] <ThinkingofPython> gotta wait
[14:57] <shiftplusone> Hexxeh: I think I've asked you this before, but I'm not sure I understand the relationship between chromiumos and chromium the browser. Would that get us a decent browser, or is it too separate?
[14:57] <ahop> shiftplusone: do you remember me having asked looooots of questions in order to build my RPi sampler?
[14:57] <ahop> :)
[14:58] <ThinkingofPython> https://www.raspberrypi.org/education-fund/
[14:59] <Hexxeh> shiftplusone: probably not, the path I'd take with KMS/mesa stuff is via ozone, which wouldn't play nice with another window manager in that form
[14:59] <Hexxeh> ie, chromium being it's own window manager kinda
[14:59] <shiftplusone> ahop: nope, you don't even pop up on the radar as a frequent question asker.
[14:59] <Dorf> is there a browser on OpenELEC?
[14:59] <ahop> shiftplusone: oh ok! :)
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[14:59] <ahop> I wanted to share the result of all these questions here :)
[14:59] <ahop> http://www.reddit.com/r/raspberry_pi/comments/36heu2/raspberry_fields_forever_strawberry_pi/
[15:00] <ThinkingofPython> "The Raspberry Pi Foundation is currently awaiting the arrival of a new CEO; the Education Fund is suspended for this interim period and will be reviewed when the new CEO arrives in July. For this period we are not considering further applications." D:
[15:00] <Froolap> awwww but I wanted to take over the empire
[15:00] <shiftplusone> Hexxeh: ah cool. Gordon is away from his desk right now, but I'll pass it on.
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[15:01] <shiftplusone> ahop: heh, that's awesome.
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[15:04] <shiftplusone> ThinkingofPython: Actually, they've spent all the money on candy and the new CEO thing is just a way to stall for a while.
[15:05] <ThinkingofPython> hahaha
[15:05] <shiftplusone> ahop: I'll be honest, I was a bit sceptical, but that looks like it's coming along nicely.
[15:05] <Froolap> inb4????
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[15:16] <Tenkawa> hi all
[15:17] <shiftplusone> ahoy
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[15:17] <IT_Sean> hey shiftplusone
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[15:18] <shiftplusone> Mr. Sean...
[15:18] <IT_Sean> That's mah name. Don't wear it out.
[15:19] * ThinkingofPython wears it out, and get's laughed at.
[15:19] <ThinkingofPython> Well that's the last time I go outside while only wearing your name.
[15:19] <IT_Sean> ...
[15:19] <IT_Sean> It wasn't my name they were laughing at, ThinkingofPython.
[15:20] <ThinkingofPython> I know >.>
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[15:34] <pmjdebruijn> anybody here familiar with devicetree in the rpi kernel? would it be possible to support rpi 1 & 2 versions with a single kernel? using different devicetree's?
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[15:36] <shiftplusone> pmjdebruijn: not right now
[15:36] <sysx1000> Hi all. Recently I purchased this item: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/TM1638-Key-Display-Module-1pc-8-Bit-Digital-LED-Tube-8-Bit-For-AVR-Arduino-New-/350964268396 How can I connect it to raspberry pi? I tried some tm1638 libs but no effect
[15:37] <sysx1000> I at least would like to have LED tube and buttons working
[15:37] <ThinkingofPython> Hmm, it's for the Arduino
[15:37] <ThinkingofPython> Would it even be compatible?
[15:38] <ThinkingofPython> I see tons of Arduino touchscreens for cheap (same specs as Pi touchscreens but are cheaper) but am not sure if they'd work
[15:38] <shiftplusone> You need to know what you're doing re 3.3v and 5v voltages.
[15:39] <KD7JWC> sysx1000: did you down load the file and see if there where instructions?
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[15:39] <shiftplusone> Either the datasheet has a lot of blank tables, or it's not rendering properly
[15:40] <shiftplusone> (looking at http://cholla.mmto.org/computers/avr/cool_parts/tm1638.pdf )
[15:40] <sysx1000> I connected it to G17,G21,G22, connected it to ground and +3.3V on RPi. Power led is glowing, at least :)
[15:40] <shiftplusone> I don't see a schematic of that board anywhere.
[15:41] <pmjdebruijn> shiftplusone: I suppose that is the intended endgoal of having devicetree though?
[15:41] <ThinkingofPython> shiftplusone Any idea if a screen like this: http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=a1z2k.6997417.0.0.nMpQTq&scm=12306.1.0.0&id=35414489198 would work on Pi?
[15:41] <ThinkingofPython> Its made for the Arduino2560
[15:41] <sysx1000> And then I tried http://www.mjoldfield.com/atelier/2012/08/pi-tm1638.html this lib: not working
[15:42] <shiftplusone> ThinkingofPython: don't know... check if it's supported by notro's pitft drivers
[15:44] <shiftplusone> pmjdebruijn: not entirely. the old approach involved defining the hardware in a c file and you'd end up loading modules and probing for things you didn't need. Adding additional devices or changing parameters was also somewhat tricky. Device tree allows you to have the hardware defined entirely in a dtb file. Then the kernel can load the modules you need and so on. Basically, it reduces the number of scenarios you'd need to recompile t
[15:44] <shiftplusone> he kernel for, makes things more flexible for the user and easier for the developers.
[15:45] <shiftplusone> yes, there's multi-platform functionality to make the same kernel work on multiple CPUs, but I don't know the specifics of that, only that we don't currently support it.
[15:46] <ThinkingofPython> Hmm the supported list is small so it may not
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[15:47] <pmjdebruijn> shiftplusone: ok thanks
[15:48] <sysx1000> hmm, here is schematic, probably: http://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/8-Bit-Digital-LED-Tube-8_1923594723.html
[15:48] <sysx1000> (sorta %)
[15:51] <shiftplusone> zoom in an enhance!
[15:51] <shiftplusone> *and
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[15:52] <AlsoBilby> Morning y'all
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[15:52] <pksato> TM1638 is a 5V device, like other, marginally works on 3v3.
[15:54] <pksato> control lines are open drain (like i2c), pull up resistor, that can be rewired to 3v3.
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[15:56] <pksato> but, one 'danger' to RPi is DIO, use a resistor voltage divider.
[15:56] <pksato> and connect VCC to 5V.
[15:57] <sysx1000> I have few devices, which pretended to run on Rpi, but were not
[15:57] <michal_f> hi all. I'm little annoyed by c++ compilation times on rasPI - has anyone have any experience with cross compiling with visual studio under windows ?
[15:57] <michal_f> how hard it is in practice
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[16:00] <pksato> 22k resistor from DIO pin to ground, put voltage on safe value.
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[16:02] <sysx1000> hmm
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[16:02] <sysx1000> I will try, thanks
[16:02] <pksato> 18k or 22k
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[16:15] <Tenkawa> brb.
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[16:20] <Tenkawa> thats better
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[16:31] <Great_Geek> Can anyone help me with getting armhf fedora images to work with RPi2 ?
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[16:36] <shiftplusone> fedora users are really coming out of the woodwork lately D=
[16:36] <shiftplusone> I've seen like... 3.
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[16:37] <MY123> shiftplusone, there is also me :-) Gentoo/Fedora/Debian and Windows :P
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[16:38] <shiftplusone> madness
[16:38] <MY123> shiftplusone, I also run a Barrelfish VM on my PC :-)
[16:38] <shiftplusone> haven't even heard of that
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[16:39] <MY123> shiftplusone, Barrelfish is an open-source OS from Microsoft Research
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[16:40] <MY123> (and the Zurich university)
[16:41] <Great_Geek> Not really a fedora guy, but I prefer running something halfway-stable on something that's going to be used as a server
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[16:42] <Great_Geek> If this fails, I'll get back to a state where all my systems run Arch
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[16:44] <ShorTie> and raspbian isn't 'hafe way stable' ??
[16:45] <Great_Geek> ShorTie: Yes, Raspbian is stable. But also somewhat outdated with some things
[16:46] <Armand> Very stable.
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[16:46] <Armand> I have a UK model B, 512MB.. Bought shortly after release.. Still on it's original install.
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[16:47] <ShorTie> outdated things tend to be more stable then 'the latest and greatest github's' of everything
[16:47] <Armand> ShorTie: Why do you think I still run P3/P4 rigs? ^_^
[16:47] <ShorTie> what is so outdated out of couriosity ??
[16:47] <Armand> Best I have at home is a Q6600 running Win7.
[16:48] <Great_Geek> ShorTie: Yes, I understand that well. But I can't have my specific API setup running on debian without manually building some packages
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[16:49] <MY123> Armand, very old
[16:50] <Armand> :)
[16:50] <day> we found a brand new untouched dell p4 ht in production last week :P
[16:50] <MY123> day, wow
[16:50] <Armand> I have a P4 630 in my office.. HT, 64b. :)
[16:50] <day> no idea how it was able to hide o0
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[16:51] <Armand> day: I suspect no-one used a thermal camera. :P
[16:51] <day> it even was inside the original dell package
[16:51] <day> Armand: :D
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[16:52] <MY123> Armand, I have a Celeron Mendocino@400MHz, a PC/XT and a Core i5-4440
[16:52] <MY123> :-)
[16:52] <Armand> I have a Dual P2 400 server in my shed.. old beasty. :P
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[16:53] <MY123> Armand, the PC/XT is the best :P
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[16:53] <Armand> lol
[16:53] <MY123> (320K of RAM if I remember well)
[16:53] <Armand> I had an IBM XT, about 8 years ago
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[16:54] <MY123> Armand, I still didn't sell mine
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[16:55] <TheLostAdmin> so far, I can out do you on your pile of old computers list.
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[16:55] <Froolap> Great_Geek: Yes, *I* can
[16:56] <Great_Geek> Froolap: PM ?
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[16:57] <Froolap> ShorTie: On debian, the version of networkManager is two years behind the current version which means many options for nmcli haven't been implimented yet.
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[16:58] <Froolap> so with debian you can not connect to a new (never configured) wireless AP from the command line. you can only connect to AP that have been previously configured from the command line.
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[17:03] <ShorTie> ya, raspbian/Debian-wheezy is kinda old, but a rpi2 can run the latest and greatest Deian stretch
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[17:04] <ShorTie> although it does, or did, say it was jessie last time i ran it
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[17:20] <Froolap> the last time I looked at debian was with jessie and there's where I discovered the 2 year lapse in networkmanager. that was a deal breaker for me, even though I had written yum to apt-get translate scripts. lol
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[17:34] <Bilby> It's cold enough outside that with the window open I'm wearing a sweater to be comfortable, but the neighbors have their A/C running still. My wife says allergies, I'm calling pot.
[17:35] <IT_Sean> Where are you that it's cold?
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[17:37] <Bilby> relatively cold, 62F / 17C
[17:37] <IT_Sean> BRRRR
[17:37] <IT_Sean> It's in the 80s (F) here.
[17:37] <Bilby> it was in the 80s here yesterday lol... Ohio is crazy
[17:38] <IT_Sean> Oh... ohio. Blech.
[17:38] <Bilby> pff
[17:38] <IT_Sean> I've flown over Ohio. Looks dreadful.
[17:38] <Bilby> that's because you're flying over. I prefer it over a lot of other states
[17:38] <ShorTie> some of it is nice
[17:39] <Great_Geek> Dreadful is where I'm at. India
[17:39] <Bilby> generally inexpensive to live in, lots of tech companies, quick to drive or fly anywhere on the eastern half of the country
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[17:41] <Bilby> Great_Geek, india is interesting... i haven't been but my sister lived there for a year. bummer on average income / purchasing power
[17:41] <Great_Geek> Bilby: Where in India ?
[17:42] <sysx1000> Will new jessie-raspbian use systemd?
[17:42] <MY123> yes
[17:42] <sysx1000> that's too bad
[17:42] <Bilby> Chennai
[17:42] <sysx1000> I should try gentoo then
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[17:44] <Froolap> IT_Sean: That's because of Ohio's proximity to Detroit. Someone dropped an UGLY bomb on detroit and the further away you get the prettier everything is.
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[17:45] <sandman> Why is it that /proc/cpuinfo gives BogoMIPS: 697.95 on the RPi1 but 57.60 for the RPi2?
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[17:46] <Froolap> because the rpi2 isn't a 900mhz cpu it's a 600mhz cpu that can tollerate temporary over clocking to 900mhz. the default cpu speed on the rpi2 is 600mhz
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[17:46] <ShorTie> oh really, mine says 2, BogoMIPS : 2.00
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[17:47] <jer> bogomips are exactly that, bogus.
[17:47] <jer> don't use them to infer cpu speed.
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[17:50] <ShorTie> ah, but it's nice to know how many times we can do nothing
[17:51] <jer> but it's not really a measure of that
[17:51] <jer> you want to know that for sure? run a benchmark
[17:52] <jer> bogomips isn't a benchmark result
[17:52] <jer> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BogoMips =]
[17:54] <Froolap> no, I want to buy a computer that advertises that it's a 900mhz cpu that actually runs at 900mhz.... not one that can only run at 900 mhz for a minute before it needs to slow down. kind of like calling a vw beatle a race car cus it can hit 120 mph....
[17:54] <jer> heh
[17:54] <IT_Sean> it can hit 120mph. ...dropped off a cliff.
[17:55] <ShorTie> and then there is Herbie
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[17:57] <Froolap> reaction time is a factor.
[17:57] <jer> http://www.cambierobotics.com/HTML/Physics/Free%20Falling.pdf provides a formula for calculating how fast a vw beetle will free fall. if you can think of it, someone's written a paper on it apparently ]
[17:57] <jer> =]
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[17:59] <Bilby> I don't think anyone buys a $35 for its speed
[18:00] <Froolap> they do when the other choices for $35 are slower....
[18:00] <MY123> Froolap, it's rock stable at 900
[18:00] <Froolap> then why is the default 600mhz?
[18:01] <Froolap> why do I have to over clock or over burden to get that speed?
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[18:09] <MY123> Froolap, the default is 900
[18:09] <MY123> (dynclock)
[18:09] <jer> the default on my model B was 600 too, not 700. what makes you think the part isn't clocked at 900mhz properly configured
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[18:10] <Froolap> If that's what it's supposed to do, then that's what the image file should make it do when installed.
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[18:12] <TheLostAdmin> Since I care ... I've got my Pi Camera module mounted in my Pi treasure chest case now. A few of more holes drilled and a bit of carving to make it fit.
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[18:13] <sandman> Clock settings are set to default every time one boots, right?
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[18:14] <sandman> So let's say I had an OC setup, then held shift @ boot and restored the image from NOOBS, it'd just go back to normal clock settings?
[18:14] <sandman> Or would I have to set them back to what they were first
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[18:15] <shiftplusone> sandman: if you restore from NOOBS, you should lose all changes you would've made to overclock it in the first place.
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[18:18] <sandman> shiftplusone: And the RPi2 should be running @ 900 MHz by default?
[18:18] <sandman> I ran the "RPi2" OC via raspi-config, and it became unstable. After about a day, simple commands such as "top" were giving Segmentation Faults
[18:19] <shiftplusone> 600-900MHz scaling by default
[18:19] <sandman> Despite having a heat sink, and despite it not having done anything intensive
[18:20] <sandman> shiftplusone: Does it go down to 600 MHz when it gets hot, or when it either gets hot or isn't being used?
[18:20] <sandman> And can the cores be scaled independently? Looking into it now, might be able to answer my own question
[18:20] <shiftplusone> when it isn't being used
[18:20] <Froolap> why scale it down below it's intended speed?
[18:21] <sandman> Okay. Well it's not being used, but my cores are still sitting at 900 MHz, oddly
[18:21] <jer> Froolap, because that's how dynamic scaling works, it's a CPU feature
[18:21] <shiftplusone> what governor are you using?
[18:21] <sandman> Wait, it went down to 600 for a moment there
[18:21] <sandman> shiftplusone: Whatever it default. This is a fresh NOOBS install
[18:21] <Froolap> Yeah, well, no need to throttle down below it's advertised speed....
[18:22] <shiftplusone> if it's a noobs install and hasn't been updated, it should be stuck at 600 due to a bug.
[18:22] <shiftplusone> if you ran apt-get update and ugprade, it should be ondemand.
[18:22] <shiftplusone> Froolap: that's normal behaviour. Your PC does it, unless you tell it otherwise.
[18:22] <Great_Geek> Can anyone ls /lib/modules for me ? Raspbian
[18:23] <jer> read up on DVFS (dynamic voltage and frequency scaling)
[18:23] <jer> it's an ARM CPU hardware feature
[18:23] <jer> and yes, while it does need to be turned on by the operating systme, linux does this.
[18:23] <sandman> Looks like the cores are scaled together, based on the fact that cpus 1 - 3 have their cpufreq symlinked to cpu0's cpufreq
[18:23] <linuxthefish> is it possible to send text with i2c?
[18:24] <shiftplusone> linuxthefish: sure
[18:24] <sandman> scaling_governor is set to ondemand presently
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[18:24] <Froolap> my pc has an area for setting the cpu speed that is quite a different area from the warning, you might destroy your hardware by over clocking area on my bios.
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[18:25] <Great_Geek> Need help from one of you guys running raspbian
[18:25] <sandman> Well I take it I'm not the only one who has found overclocking to be occasionally unstable on the RPi2
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[18:25] <sandman> Despite it not overheating. You'll get that pretty much whenever you overclock
[18:26] <sandman> Am I correct in thinking this?
[18:26] <Froolap> and if I don't install the motherboard utilities the throttle down the cpu to save greenhouse gas then it runs full tilt
[18:28] <Great_Geek> sandman: Well, that also depends on the voltages supplied
[18:29] <Great_Geek> sandman: Sometimes you hit the sweet spot. Other times, you have loads of instability (talking about voltage-frequency pairs)
[18:29] <sandman> I just used whatever was in raspi-config, which is an overvolt of 2
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[18:30] <Great_Geek> sandman: Got your RPi2 handy right now?
[18:30] <sandman> Great_Geek: Yup
[18:30] <Great_Geek> PM?
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[18:59] <hanthana> higuita, I am working on remixing fedora for arm specially targeting to deploy with Raspberry Pi. 2 but I found extlinux-bootloader, uboot-images-armv7, arm-boot-config packages are missing though included in fedora kickstart files
[18:59] <hanthana> highly appreciate if someone can help me.
[18:59] <hanthana> I am trying establish a lab in one of the village in Nepal. http://danishkanavin.blogspot.sg/2015/05/blankets-give-them-enough-warm-but-not.html
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[19:04] <Froolap> hanthana: maybe this is helpful https://github.com/spartacus06/rpi2-fedora-image-builder
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[19:07] <hanthana> Froolap, Thanks, I will give a try
[19:08] <Froolap> I haven't looked at that closely, but seems to be for the rpi2. Might need some tweeks for rpiB+
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[19:09] <hanthana> ok
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[19:14] <brasizza> hey guys . just to update.
[19:15] <brasizza> i could use the dimmer without de zero-cross using the PWM GPIO
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[19:18] <brasizza> i bought a dimer board from inMojo.com
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[19:27] <hanthana> Froolap, Thanks for the support. #fedora-arm guys gave this link
[19:27] <hanthana> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Architectures/ARM/Creating_Remixes
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[19:27] <hanthana> I will share my experience if I success with this project. :)
[19:27] <hanthana> Thanks again!
[19:28] <Froolap> I would be glad to hear of it as well as any hint/tips.....
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[19:36] <neo1691> I got a 16 GB memory card and used dd to burn an image of 110 mb (osmc) to it. Then osmc installed itself when the pi booted for the first time. Will the whole memory card be reduced to a single partition of 110 MB or will the remaining space from the card be usable?
[19:37] <IT_Sean> you will need to re-size the partition once it's booted.
[19:39] <Great-Geek> neo1691, OSMC is a bit different
[19:39] <Great-Geek> IT_Sean, OSMC automatically partitions on first boot
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[19:39] <neo1691> Great-Geek: Will it create partitions of 110 MB or will it use the whole SD card to create partitions!
[19:39] <IT_Sean> Ah, i didn't know that. That said, my statmenet is technically true. Automated or otherwise, the partition will need to be resided :p
[19:39] <Great-Geek> neo1691, OSMC will take up 256MB for bootloader/kernel , rest is allocated to media
[19:39] <IT_Sean> *resized
[19:40] <neo1691> Okay!!
[19:40] <Great-Geek> IT_Sean, Not technically
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[19:40] <Great-Geek> IT_Sean, Since the 1st partition itself is deleted, 2nd is created fresh
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[19:44] <TheLostAdmin> Has anyone here attempted to use USB TV capture dongle with the raspberry pi? If so, any suggestions, warnings etc? I'm thinking about hooking my Pi up to an antenna to get free-to-air stuff.
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[19:57] <sepia> TheLostAdmin: I would be shocked if it had enough CPU power to do that
[19:57] <sepia> SDR are CPU bound and high bandwidth USB devices, both things which the Pi sucks at.
[19:58] <TheLostAdmin> sepia, a lot of the capture devices do the decoding/encoding themselves and the computer only needs to pull stream from the device and play (or in my case shove it onto the network to play elsewhere).
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[19:59] <sepia> I've only ever seen one device do that, and that was like a decade ago
[19:59] <TheLostAdmin> I've got an old hauppauge capture card (from the days of analog) and it just spit out an mpeg stream.
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[19:59] <TheLostAdmin> The specs on some of the current Hauppauge stuff are like my old one.
[20:00] * sepia shrugs
[20:00] <sepia> I still think a raspberry pi is one of the worst possible targets for managing video
[20:00] <sepia> even with hardware encoding MPEG2 or whatever it spits out isn't exactly low bandwidth
[20:01] <TheLostAdmin> I know but it's the easiest thing to move close enough to the antenna to be usable.
[20:01] <TheLostAdmin> Otherwise, I will have to buy something.
[20:02] <TheLostAdmin> I figured since the Pi can handle it's own camera (which will take HD videos), it might be able to manage a hardware capture card.
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[20:05] <TheLostAdmin> also, I suspect you are right; which is why I'm asking before buying.
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[20:10] <Froolap> just because the camera is capable if taking hd videos doesn't mean that frames arn't dropped, but then, I don't have a camera for my pi, so I don't really know.
[20:10] <Stanto> "sepia> SDR are CPU bound and high bandwidth USB devices, both things which the Pi sucks at." It's not as bad as you suspect.
[20:11] <Stanto> "sepia> even with hardware encoding MPEG2 or whatever it spits out isn't exactly low bandwidth" h264
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[20:12] <Stanto> "TheLostAdmin> also, I suspect you are right; which is why I'm asking before buying." Pretty sure the Pi2 can manage what you're doing. You'll need a Class 10 SDCard to be certain.
[20:12] <ali1234> the raspberry pi is quite well suited to dvb reception
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[20:12] <Stanto> ali1234: Yes, someone I know uses SDR to receive ads-b signals
[20:13] <ali1234> with the mpeg-2 codec it should be able to play back in dvb stream
[20:14] <TheLostAdmin> in that case. any gotchas you know of? good/bad choices for a capture device? Suggested software for the pi?
[20:14] <ali1234> but there isn't much software for just playback, it is all pvr stuff, which the pi is not too good at
[20:14] <sepia> Stanto: there's a big difference between that and decoding MPEG2
[20:15] <Stanto> sepia: how so?
[20:15] <ali1234> you wouldn't use SDR to receive DVB
[20:16] <ali1234> that's just silly
[20:16] <ali1234> i doubt even a PC could pull that off in real time
[20:16] <sepia> that's literally what TV tuner sticks are.
[20:16] <ali1234> ...no
[20:16] <sepia> .. yes
[20:17] <ali1234> okay, whatever
[20:17] <sepia> that's what rtl-sdr sticks are, TV tuners.
[20:17] <ali1234> the rtl chipset only uses sdr to receive FM broadcasts
[20:17] <ali1234> that mode can be abused to do SDR, but it is a hack
[20:18] <IT_Sean> So? A hack still works!
[20:18] <ali1234> the debug mode used to achieve that doesn't even have enough bandwidth to capture the whole of a DVB transponder channel
[20:18] <ali1234> it can only do up to 2MHz, while DVB is 8MHz
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[20:20] <sepia> looks like you're completely right, sorry. I misunderstood how they operated.
[20:22] <ali1234> only HD DVB broadcasts are h264, the SD content is still mpeg-2, but you can pay to unlock mpeg-2 hardware playback in the pi, which should work well
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[20:22] <ali1234> DVB USB tuners just spit out a mpeg transport stream
[20:23] <ali1234> you can feed that more or less directly into the decoder
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[20:23] <ali1234> but the big thing that is missing is the playback software
[20:23] <brasizza> ali1234
[20:23] <brasizza> i saw your message from the log about dim a lightbulb
[20:23] <ali1234> you can try to use mythtv, but it wants to be a PVR and needs a database and a ringbuffer
[20:24] <ali1234> you can use mplayer but it has no gui for DVB so you have to resort to the command line to change channels
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[20:24] <ali1234> maybe kodi can directly access a DVB tuners, i don't know
[20:24] <ali1234> there are some commercial products for this also, but i have never used them
[20:25] <ali1234> brasizza: yes?
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[20:26] <day> you mean xbmc :p
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[20:27] <day> still wondering which monkey had the glorious idea to choose a new name, but keep using the github xbmc page haha
[20:27] <ali1234> well nobody uses it on an xbox any more
[20:27] <brasizza> so ali1234 i made it using a triac
[20:27] <ali1234> the name no longer makes any sense
[20:28] <TheLostAdmin> I can figure out the software side of things (more or less). I was going to look at kodi/xbmc to see what I could do with those. I've already got media server stuff set-up on my desktop. I am hoping that the Pi will be able to set the channel and push the stream onto the network.
[20:29] <TheLostAdmin> The tuner isn't connected to the media server because I don't get decent signal in that location.
[20:29] <ali1234> TheLostAdmin: yes, it can certainly do that, if you write the software
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[20:30] <Froolap> lol
[20:31] <TheLostAdmin> depending on how complicated I need to make it, I might be able to do that. I could probably manage to pull a stream from one device and push it to another with a bit of caching between the two.
[20:31] <TheLostAdmin> mangling codecs is probably beyond my skills at the moment.
[20:32] <ali1234> you don't need t worry about codecs... you get a transport stream from the hardware, this can be directly sent over the network without modification
[20:33] <TheLostAdmin> although, (ironically), while searching on details about doing this, I ran across a product called Tablo that appears to do what I'm trying to do with a Pi. It's not much more expensive than the usb capture dongles I've been looking at.
[20:33] <ali1234> yeah
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[20:34] <TheLostAdmin> Plus, it says "watch on PC/Mac via browser" so I could probably manage to fiddle with ffmpeg enough to be able to save to a file.
[20:35] <TheLostAdmin> Thanks for all the input, though. I still might fiddle with this on the Pi. I just don't have to right now.
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[21:32] <BobWansink> Hi guys!
[21:32] <BobWansink> I'm still struggling to get my i2c chip to work under rpi
[21:32] <BobWansink> anyone up for a challenge.
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[21:32] <BobWansink> ?
[21:33] <NedScott> we have to go back to the island
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[21:37] <Froolap> yeah, me too.
[21:38] <Froolap> eye give up.
[21:38] <Tenkawa> wow what did I miss heehee
[21:38] <Tenkawa> ?
[21:38] <knob> BobWansink, ask away... somebody will reply.
[21:40] <BobWansink> If I connect my i2c chip onto the rpi, i can detect it with i2cdetect.
[21:40] <BobWansink> then, if I try to get any register's value, it returns 0x01
[21:41] <BobWansink> I can't set the value to anything else, even though the i2cset function doesnt show errors
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[21:42] <BobWansink> I've tried writing my own implementation for the i2cset and i2cget, but those do the same thing as i2ctools
[21:43] <BobWansink> the write function returns 0 and the get function always returns 0x01.
[21:43] <Sonny_Jim> Wait, there's no ffmpeg in the raspbian repository?
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[21:44] * Sonny_Jim shakes fist
[21:44] <BobWansink> Does anyone know if a chip fault or failure can cause this effect?
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[21:53] <ThUnD3r|Gr33n> ShorTie hi
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[22:09] <Froolap> ffmpeg.armv7hl : Digital VCR and streaming server
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[22:14] <ThUnD3r|Gr33n> Froolap .. whats this ?
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[22:20] <stronzino> hi, how can i run Sigil (ebook editor) on Raspberry pi?
[22:21] <stronzino> raspian and archlinux arm doent have it on repo
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[22:24] <Froolap> availablle for pidora on rpmfusion
[22:24] <Bilby> stronzino, is there an ARM build or compile instructions for it?
[22:24] <Bilby> whoop nm
[22:26] <stronzino> i dont know, watch you: https://github.com/user-none/Sigil
[22:27] <stronzino> Froolap: really? i cant find it
[22:28] <Sonny_Jim> What package provides fsck.vfat on raspbian?
[22:28] <stronzino> "Your search query "sigil" didn't return any results."
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[22:29] <Froolap> stronzino: I'm running fedora remix
[22:30] <stronzino> found: http://pidora.ca/pidora/releases/20/packages/armv6hl/os/Packages/s/sigil-0.6.2-4.fc20.armv6hl.rpm
[22:30] <stronzino> but it's a very old version, why?
[22:30] <Sonny_Jim> Wait, dosfstools doesn't exist anymore?
[22:30] <stronzino> new version doesnt support ARM?
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[22:30] <Froolap> because it appears that pidora is not maintained
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[22:36] <stronzino> fedora remix is maintained? where is its repo?
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[22:39] <Sonny_Jim> Oh poo
[22:40] <Sonny_Jim> Who's responsible for the rasberrypi-bootloader package?
[22:40] <Sonny_Jim> Because it doesn't check to see if /boot is mounted before putting files there :\
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[22:58] <Froolap> fedora is maintained.
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[23:00] <Froolap> fedora-arm supports armv7 hardware floating point. so just use the fedora-arm repos. I doubt thay are going away any time soon.
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[23:25] <Wegge> Are there any special precautions one must take, when using btrfs as root fs, when a kernel is updated?
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[23:50] <r3> join #ntp-dev
[23:51] <r3> erps
[23:51] <r3> don't join that just because it's here now :P
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[23:57] <k_j> hi guys
[23:57] <k_j> how can i buy licenses for new codecs?
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