#raspberrypi IRC Log


IRC Log for 2015-05-20

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[0:01] <Berg> hello
[0:01] <Berg> what player you using?
[0:02] <Berg> I think linux has a codec lib you can download
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[0:05] <cehteh> there are only 2 codecs with licenses for the rpi, mpeg2 ans something else i've forgotten
[0:05] <cehteh> for me it works fine without those licenses
[0:05] <cehteh> (just recode things externally if you really must)
[0:06] <cehteh> vc-1 was the other
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[1:33] <PixelFilth>
[1:34] <NedScott> I agree
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[1:45] <PixelFilth> cd Download
[1:45] <PixelFilth> lol
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[1:49] <[Saint]> -bash: cd: Download: No such file or directory
[1:50] <[Saint]> PixelFilth@irc:~$
[1:50] <PixelFilth> ya it and hrlpd if I had less keyboards here :P
[1:50] <PixelFilth> err it would help
[1:51] <Ullarah> PixelFilth | less
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[1:52] <[Saint]> 10 PRINT PixelFilth
[1:52] <[Saint]> 20 GOTO 10
[1:52] <[Saint]> RUN
[1:54] <tetley> hello all, how can i get to webgl from my raspberry pi?
[1:54] <Ullarah> Actually. Funny you should mention that. Is TinyBasic a standard package now?
[1:54] <Yohio> http://www.ebay.com/itm/3-6-inch-TFT-LCD-Display-Touch-Screen-for-Raspberry-Pi-B-Plug-Play-Sain-Smart-/121649399038?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_15&hash=item1c52de84fe I found an interesting LCD screen for the Pi but I found out the only way to use it is to use a custom kernel (unless there's a driver somewhere I haven't found yet)
[1:54] <Ullarah> Wow. That is a good price.
[1:55] <Ullarah> Yohio, https://github.com/notro/fbtft/wiki/LCD-Modules
[1:55] <[Saint]> Same kinda deal with the PiTFT from Adafruit
[1:56] <[Saint]> (which I happen to like but is quite expensive)
[1:56] <tetley> hello all, how can i get to webgl from my raspberry pi?
[1:56] <Yohio> thanks for the link Ullarah
[1:56] <NedScott> Yohio: I have one of those on order. it should actually be here any day this week from the ETA. I'm not sure if I believe it is real yet, at that price
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[1:57] <NedScott> I've had GPIO TFT screens before, but never that cheap
[1:57] <NedScott> at least, that cheap for that size with an already installed Pi-specific connection
[1:57] <Ullarah> I have a jbtek 3.5" and used this, https://gist.github.com/acidjazz/ac137957cfcda7582fd7
[1:57] <NedScott> normally you have to jumper your own connection and use a smaller TFT screen to get below $10 USD
[1:57] <[Saint]> right
[1:57] <[Saint]> i'm more than slightly skeptical.
[1:58] <Yohio> NedScott: alright, can you tell us how it is after you install it
[1:58] <[Saint]> but, meh.
[1:58] <[Saint]> at $10, its a decent gamble.
[1:58] <NedScott> I'm expecting to get it in the mail and find out it's just a pin connector and cardboard :D
[1:58] <[Saint]> hahahahahaha
[1:58] <[Saint]> right.
[1:58] <[Saint]> lol
[1:58] <NedScott> maybe with a picture of raspbian printed on it
[1:58] <Ullarah> Nah, you have to build the screen yourself.
[1:58] <Ullarah> Pixel by pixel.
[1:58] <NedScott> haha
[1:58] <Yohio> http://www.diprofinfiniti.com/3-setting-lcd-module-pi-tft-3-6-inch-for-raspberry-pi-display-screen-mcufriend here are some very low quality pictures about it
[2:00] <NedScott> I had the tinylcd35 for a while and liked it a lot, but then I broke it by accident
[2:00] <NedScott> the LCD that is
[2:01] <NedScott> I kept the driver board and digitizer
[2:01] <NedScott> I was about to order the $16 replacement LCD, and that's when I saw the dirt cheap one on ebay
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[2:02] <NedScott> if it doesn't catch on fire, I might order more just for the heck of it
[2:03] <NedScott> and have Pis sitting around the house, reporting useless information
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[2:03] <NedScott> "Estimated delivery Wed, May 13 - Thu, May 28"
[2:03] <NedScott> love those ETAs from china
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[2:04] <Yohio> yeah, my stuff usually arrives well before the end date of that ETA
[2:05] <NedScott> I wish I had a use for these Nokia 5110 character driven LCD screens I bought
[2:05] * NedScott is an impulse buyer
[2:05] <Yohio> I don't even need a screen but it would be neat to get a screen without having to spend $20 or more for it
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[2:07] <NedScott> in any case, there's guides out there to get the screen to work with Raspbian, various emulators, Kodi, etc
[2:07] <NedScott> it would be extremely awesome to have something that uses the Pi's DSI port and was also small
[2:07] <NedScott> I think the Pi Foundation is only planning on two sizes, and they're both above 5 inches
[2:08] <Yohio> do you mean there's a tutorial for that screen or for screens like that in general
[2:08] <NedScott> most of the screens use the same method/code to actually work. The last time I set mine up I just found my screen's configuration settings in an example file
[2:09] <NedScott> actually, I think the config file just had me tell it what type of LCD it was
[2:09] <Yohio> the 3.6 inch should fit nicely in the case I have so it's pretty much perfect, shame if they're not planning to make smaller than 5"
[2:09] <NedScott> the only bad thing about GPIO screens are that they are driven by the CPU instead of the GPU
[2:10] <NedScott> still enough power for a lot of applications, even emulators, but it's hard to get a small LCD screen that isn't composite
[2:10] <NedScott> and doesn't use the CPU
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[2:11] <Yohio> okay, good to know
[2:11] <NedScott> I know there is a 5 inch HDMI screen that even has a Pi GPIO connector for touch input, and it was somewhat reasonably priced
[2:11] <Yohio> right now my Pi isn't doing anything else than being a simple irssi shell for one user and reading data from an arduino through USB serial
[2:11] <NedScott> below that, I found a few 3.5 inch VGA LCDs, but they were $100+ USD
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[2:12] <speedy592> holy shit finally
[2:12] <Yohio> wow that's quite pricey but those are most likely some special screens
[2:12] <speedy592> Hey all
[2:12] <NedScott> yeah
[2:12] <NedScott> things like portable video production or equipment monitoring
[2:12] <Yohio> browsing ebay makes everything seem expensive
[2:13] <Yohio> hey speedy592
[2:13] <NedScott> I do worry about some stuff I get from china. Like about chemicals and such
[2:13] <NedScott> sometimes the reason things are so cheap is because they eat human flesh or cause cancer, lol
[2:13] <speedy592> Hey guys, just got my hands on a raspberry pi 2 for my birthday. I'm currently getting everything I need for it and I'm wondering whats the advantage of having a bigger micro sd
[2:13] <NedScott> however, I'm still alive
[2:14] <NedScott> speedy592: what do you want to use the Pi for?
[2:14] <pmumble> bigger than what, speedy? (what size do you have now?)
[2:14] <Ullarah> NedScott, I got one of these for around $40 on aliexpress. http://ijbtek.com/product/html/?14.html
[2:14] <Yohio> the only time I was actually scared was when I received my paperboards from China
[2:14] <NedScott> sometimes it's good to just get a "small" sd card and use a network file share or USB drive depending on what you are using it for
[2:14] <Yohio> they smelled so bad and felt sticky
[2:15] <NedScott> haha
[2:15] <NedScott> that's not good
[2:15] <NedScott> Ullarah: that's a nice one because of that case. I've seen those around
[2:15] <Yohio> I've been using gloves to handle them just for that reason
[2:17] <speedy592> <NedScott> speedy592: what do you want to use the Pi for? <---sorry playing GTA at the same time, uh I wanna use it as a normal computer but also to learn things like making bots for IRC and learning to use Linux, since I use windows
[2:18] <speedy592> What other things could I use it for?
[2:18] <NedScott> "general use", maybe a 16 GB card, but an 8GB card will go a long way
[2:18] <pmumble> speedy592: 8GB is probably fine then. 16GB+ if you want a bunch of extra space. 4GB might get full pretty quick.
[2:19] <pmumble> :)
[2:20] <Yohio> I share files in my local network so I chose a 32GB card, but if I weren't doing that I wouldn't have needed anything more than 8GB
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[2:22] <NedScott> I found a 32MB SD card and used it to boot the Pi, and then load the OS off of a USB flash drive :)
[2:22] <Berg> I use mine to run relays on timers to switch solar to night time use inverters etc
[2:23] <NedScott> There also used to be 2 and 4 GB SD cards where half of the card was just plastic, so you could physically cut the SD card in half
[2:23] <NedScott> it was great for non + Pi's
[2:23] <Berg> I use 2 8channel relays
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[2:32] <Berg> is thats a list nof all the uses pi has been put to?
[2:32] <Berg> of
[2:34] <[Saint]> I sincerely doubt it.
[2:34] <[Saint]> It would be a very long list.
[2:34] <[Saint]> It would almost be easier to list the things a pi /hasn't/ be used for...
[2:34] <Berg> a long list is b etter than no list
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[2:36] <Berg> \you could have the list hosted on a rasp0berry pi web server
[2:36] <Berg> hehehe
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[2:36] <Yohio> well the most common things wouldn't take too long
[2:36] <speedy592> I'll get a 16gb micro sd, my uncle said get a 64 for the hell of it, but I dont think I will
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[2:37] <Berg> would a larger card make the pi sloweR?
[2:37] <Berg> i have 32gig card
[2:37] <[Saint]> No.
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[2:40] <pksato> if card is slow to seek, yes.
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[2:42] <pksato> 4y old http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/sdxc-sdhc-uhs-i,2940-9.html
[2:44] <Berg> i got a sandisk
[2:44] <Berg> its 48mps transfer rate im told
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[2:46] <pksato> but, like a hd on big system, only affect if accessing disk.
[2:46] <Berg> yes
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[3:03] <speedy592> would a 32gb sandisk be good?
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[3:04] <methuzla> probably
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[3:13] <The_Borg> make sure you get the fastest rated one speedy592
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[3:30] <[Saint]> The_Borg: ...why?
[3:30] <[Saint]> It makes precisely zero difference, unless you're regularly imaging the card.
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[3:31] <[Saint]> Class 4 or 6 is perfectly adequate.
[3:31] <r3> you can just get one with a "2" rating and paint go-fast stripes on it.
[3:31] <Berg> paint it red
[3:31] <r3> lots of chrome
[3:32] <[Saint]> Paint it up like the Mach 5.
[3:32] <[Saint]> (...man I loved that show)
[3:32] <Berg> any way faster data transfere ios logical
[3:32] <speedy592> it has been ordered!
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[3:33] <Berg> nice now you have room for a paint job with stripes
[3:33] <[Saint]> Well, a fast microsd card isn't a /bad/ thing. It is just completely unnecessary.
[3:33] <[Saint]> It won't make things worse.
[3:33] <[Saint]> It just won't make things any better.
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[3:34] <r3> I use nothing but Class 10 in all of my applications - just - well - because.
[3:34] <[Saint]> The only place it will make a difference is in a card reader when you're imagine the card.
[3:34] <r3> the idea of purposefully buying something that isn't as fast as it could be is irksome.
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[3:34] * r3 imagines quite a bit
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[3:35] <[Saint]> lol - autocomplete, heh.
[3:35] <[Saint]> *imaging.
[3:35] <r3> and I image them frequently
[3:35] <r3> I suppose frequently... not - you know - daily - but frequently enough that waiting for it is also irksome.
[3:35] <[Saint]> howcome?
[3:35] <Berg> I just like the best model out why buy something that will be less usefull because of it
[3:36] <r3> backups mainly, if talking about Pi. Grabbing photos off the camera and video recorder otherwise
[3:36] <ali1234> pretty sure that the sd interface on the pi isn't the limiting factor
[3:37] <ali1234> poor random access performance is
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[3:37] <r3> I guess I should find a way to image the Pi without having to power them off, remove the card, etc... but I think rsync or other apps want the filesystem to be read-only to provide a perfect backup
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[3:37] <ali1234> but sd cards are rated for linear r/w, not random, because they are mostly used in video cameras
[3:38] <r3> unlike, say, certain backup software that contains drivers which allow for the backup of live systems, databases, mail stores, etc.
[3:38] <ali1234> rsync doesn't need a read-only file system
[3:38] <[Saint]> get SanDisk's special audiophile sdcard.
[3:38] <r3> maybe I was using gzip, I forget, and need to look into it again, Albori_
[3:38] <r3> ali1234
[3:38] <[Saint]> The only with sharper 1s and rounder 0s.
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[3:39] <ali1234> i thought it was sony that made the audiophile sd card?
[3:39] * r3 imagines large vacuum tubes sticking out of the card slot
[3:39] <Berg> can you get higher qualiuty data?
[3:39] <Berg> quality
[3:39] <[Saint]> Ah, was it? Hmmm.
[3:39] <r3> warmer date
[3:39] <r3> data
[3:39] <r3> "feels" better
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[3:39] <ali1234> sandisk make what are supposedly "enterprise grade" sd cards, for servers
[3:39] <Berg> wartm data runs faster?
[3:40] <r3> Berg: it just edits better.
[3:40] <Berg> like malassas
[3:40] <[Saint]> it adds clicks and pops to your data for simulate an analogue recording.
[3:40] <ali1234> they also perform well in the random 4k tests, but samsung evo seems to be the best
[3:40] <r3> mmmmmm warm molasses
[3:40] <ali1234> although some people also reported they are more likely to corrupt
[3:40] <ali1234> in the end, it's a huge mess
[3:41] <Berg> :)
[3:41] <r3> oh, that reminds me, there are some settings one can apply to Pi so that there is less "Wear" on the disk, like tune2fs to minimize swap silliness
[3:41] <[Saint]> If I'm going to buy an audiophile sdcard, I expect it to have vacuum tubes on it, and be made out of platinum with a walnut inlay.
[3:41] <Berg> so its mind over matter ...if you dont mind it doesnt matter?
[3:41] <[Saint]> ...and be 3ft long and weigh 10 kilos.
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[3:42] <ali1234> r3: you might want to look at rsnapshot
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[3:44] <Berg> someone make a build of skype to run on pi?
[3:44] <Berg> i want
[3:45] <sysx1000> Rpi B+ question: it looks like UART-RTS is not working there. Do I need to specially activate such function, like setting some pins to specific state?
[3:46] <r3> thanks, ali1234, I will
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[3:46] <ali1234> Berg: you might be able to make the skype for n900 run
[3:47] <ali1234> it's unusual in that it doesn't have the usual interface... instead it is a bunch of libraries for emathy
[3:47] <ali1234> *empathy
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[3:48] <ali1234> it probably needs a pi2 as well since n900 was ARMv7
[3:48] <Berg> i have the new pi
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[3:50] <sysx1000> Another question: I have LCD 16x2 display, i2c. Spec says, that it should be powered by 5v. Is it safe to power an i2c device from 5v pin?
[3:50] <ali1234> yes
[3:50] <ali1234> i run a load of i2c devices that way
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[3:51] <sysx1000> Ok, perfect
[3:52] <ali1234> the way i2c works is that the master holds the line at vcc and the slave pulls it down
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[3:52] <ali1234> so if the slave is 5v and master is 3.3v, then the slave will never pull the line up to 5v, so you've fine as long as the slave sees 3.3v as logic high - which it almost certainly will
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[3:52] <Geo> Hi, is there a method within linux to tell if the hardware running is a raspberry pi?
[3:54] <ali1234> you can check /proc/cpuinfo or uname -a
[3:54] <ali1234> or any of the various hardware specific things in /sys
[3:54] <sysx1000> or examine dmesg output
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[3:55] <ali1234> dmesg is a ringbuffer so hardware specific entries might get crowded out by firewall stuff etc
[3:55] <ali1234> so i wouldn't trust it
[3:55] <Geo> ali1234, just to make sure i'm not missing something... what are you looking at in cpuinfo? Are those models specific to the pi?
[3:55] <ali1234> Hardware : BCM2708 <- is a pretty good bet
[3:56] <ali1234> uname actually doesn't have much useful
[3:56] <ali1234> existence of /proc/vc-cma is a good indicator
[3:57] <Geo> BCM2798 is specific to the Pi? I won't see that elsewhere? (also, what is it? :) )
[3:57] <ali1234> BCM2708 is the soc
[3:57] <Geo> cool
[3:57] <ali1234> thing is, there's a few different types of raspberry pi
[3:58] <ali1234> why do you want to detect that that you are running on a raspberry pi anyway?
[3:58] <ali1234> i mean why not just detect the feature that you need?
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[3:59] <Geo> thats a good question
[4:00] <Geo> and probably a better way in the future... right now, just as a placeholder for later, i was hoping just to detect that piece
[4:00] <Geo> uname says 'raspberrypi
[4:00] <Geo> atleast in my version here
[4:00] <Geo> do you know where its checking for that string?
[4:01] <Geo> I realize i've probably strayed a little outside the topic here, sorry
[4:01] <ali1234> its just the hostname
[4:01] <ali1234> user can change it
[4:01] <Geo> that was my last question :)
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[4:02] <Geo> doh!
[4:02] <Geo> thanks
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[4:03] <ali1234> Geo: /proc/device-tree/model is probably your best bet
[4:04] <ali1234> although that might not be available on older installs
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[4:05] <Geo> cool, thanks
[4:05] <ali1234> i don't think there is a single foolproof method that works everywhere
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[4:05] <Tenkawa> uggh
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[4:05] <Tenkawa> so far gradle and i are not getting along
[4:05] <r3> what about the MAC address?
[4:06] <r3> that should have a code in it for the manufacturer of the NIC
[4:06] <ali1234> that's not a bad idea... although user can change it
[4:06] <r3> bah, who changes the MAC ;)
[4:06] <ali1234> but yes, first three bytes are manufacturer specific
[4:06] <r3> unless it's a firewally Pi, really, why futz with the MAC ;)
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[4:07] <ali1234> honestly though, just detect whatever feature you need.. it's less likely to break in the future that way
[4:07] <r3> unless the user has changed that feature.
[4:07] <ali1234> well model A+ doesn't have ethernet
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[4:07] <ali1234> so there's that...
[4:07] <r3> haha
[4:08] <ali1234> it boils down to: you can detect the broadcom SoC, but it might be a totally different board... or you can detect the board, but only on newer installs
[4:09] <ali1234> or you can just try to do whatever you want to do, and include proper error handling if it doesn't work
[4:09] <Geo> thank you very much ali1234, you've been very helpful
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[4:10] <Geo> and I agree, detecting the feature is the way to go
[4:10] <Geo> i'm working on an opensource installer, and while I dont know why I need to at this time, I figure as we grow beyond the Pi knowing what the metal is under it will help somehow, someway
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[4:11] <ali1234> what exactly is an "opensource installer"
[4:11] <ali1234> how does it differ from raspbian-ua-netinst or even just debootstrap?
[4:13] <methuzla> Geo easiest is /proc/cpuinfo
[4:16] <methuzla> Geo an example, if you know Python: https://github.com/adafruit/Adafruit_Python_GPIO/blob/master/Adafruit_GPIO/Platform.py
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[4:23] <Geo> ali1234: its just a bash that installs what we're working on
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[4:25] <Geo> methuzla, that platform module is great, thank you
[4:26] <Geo> was not aware that existed, we use python a lot
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[4:27] <Geo> as ali1234 said earlier, I'd be curious to know if there is a chance other hw boards might overlap on those
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[4:29] <methuzla> Geo yep. depends on how robust you want your detection to be.
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[4:35] <Geo> wow.
[4:35] <Geo> what are the odds three people all agree on IRC?
[4:35] <Geo> We may need to log this for prosperity
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[5:06] <McBride36> i disagree on principle
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[5:14] <methuzla> i undisagree on principal
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[7:31] <ThinkingofPython> http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=a1z10.3-c.w4002-10821079742.9.MRmFmC&id=45368776210 Someone click this link, watch the video and tell me
[7:32] <ThinkingofPython> Does that seem slow for a GPIO display?
[7:37] <r3> what video? yow
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[7:37] <ThinkingofPython> If you click it and scroll down
[7:37] <ThinkingofPython> You'll see a video
[7:38] <r3> nope
[7:38] <Berg> cant twatch it i dont have adobe
[7:38] <Berg> html5 only
[7:39] <ThinkingofPython> ah Damn
[7:39] <ThinkingofPython> Well, its like a slow response time from the screen
[7:39] <ThinkingofPython> Small delay on input (touch) and when stuff is scrolling
[7:39] <ThinkingofPython> like the boot sequence for example
[7:39] <r3> why clog up all your pins when you have a perfectly good HDMI port sitting there
[7:40] <ThinkingofPython> I actually cant find a 3.5" HDMI touchscreen :(
[7:40] <Berg> does the strap work too?
[7:40] <Berg> seriously china makes the cheapest everything
[7:40] <r3> https://www.sparkfun.com/products/11677
[7:40] <r3> Serial TFT LCD - 3.2" with Touchscreen
[7:41] <r3> https://www.sparkfun.com/products/13052
[7:41] <r3> Raspberry Pi Primary Display Cape - 3.5" Touchscreen
[7:41] <r3> and, my personal favorite, because I have one and it's SO CUTE! https://www.sparkfun.com/products/11612
[7:41] <Berg> i wona bigger touch screen
[7:41] <r3> LCD Monitor - 7" HDMI
[7:41] <Berg> one day not now
[7:41] <ThinkingofPython> damn $75 LOL
[7:42] <r3> you would pay that getting it shipped here and - I forget what the exchange rate is
[7:42] <ThinkingofPython> Here's a 5" HDMI touchscreen for $40 http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=a230r.
[7:42] <r3> 58.00 Chinese Yuan equals = 9.35 US Dollar
[7:42] <r3> oh
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[7:43] <ThinkingofPython> yeah heh
[7:43] <ThinkingofPython> cheap
[7:43] <r3> and wtf touch screen? you can't DO anything with them if they are so small your finger takes up 1/6th of the screen
[7:43] <Berg> http://www.ebay.com/itm/3-5-Raspberry-Pi-B-B-PI2-Touch-Screen-Monitor-480x320-LCD-Case-Heatsink-/171576408857?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item27f2c03b19
[7:44] <r3> well, there are stylus, I guess
[7:44] <Berg> thats why i need a huge one fat fingers
[7:44] <ThinkingofPython> Berg thats the same screen I linked
[7:44] <ThinkingofPython> GPIO
[7:44] <r3> but still
[7:44] <ThinkingofPython> HDMI would have a faster response time
[7:44] <r3> and then you need, I think, a USB connection for the touch input
[7:44] <Berg> http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_nkw=3%201%202%20touch%20screen%20raspberry%20pi&clk_rvr_id=833430148513&mfe=search
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[7:45] <Berg> i thought that strap connection ran the toiuch screen?
[7:45] <Berg> one for web cam and one for screen?
[7:45] <r3> no clue
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[7:46] <ThinkingofPython> That'd just handle touch
[7:46] <r3> I have no interest in touch screens for Pis as my phone and tablet have quite nice ones, and with Pi I need a keyboard anyway!
[7:46] <ThinkingofPython> but if it's driven by the GPIO, the refresh rate is slow
[7:46] <ThinkingofPython> Well, its good that 5" touchscreens arent too expensive
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[7:46] <Berg> well thats no good
[7:46] <ThinkingofPython> Works perfectly for my project
[7:46] <ThinkingofPython> and the 5" is done by HDMI too
[7:47] <Berg> i wonder if they make a clubbing wand for the touch screen
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[7:48] <Berg> they have lots difff connecting ones
[7:48] <Berg> 7inch HDMI LCD 800×480 Capacitive Touch Screen LCD for Raspberry Pi 2 Banana Pi
[7:48] <ThinkingofPython> mm capacitive
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[7:50] <ThinkingofPython> ah just found a 7" capacitve touch screen for pi, 288cny
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[7:50] <ThinkingofPython> thats about 50usd I think
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[7:52] <ThinkingofPython> but finding a 5" capacitive is tricky :(
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[11:02] <azizLIGHT> rpi2 has 1 gb of ram?
[11:02] <azizLIGHT> is it shared in the same way with the gpu like rpi1
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[11:05] <shauno> still shared, yes
[11:05] <day> does the RPI.GPIO python libary simply read/write the virtual gpio files?
[11:06] <day> is it just a wrapper for: echo "17" > /sys/class/gpio/export
[11:07] <pmjdebruijn> azizLIGHT: rPi2 has the same GPU, so it's probably shared indeed
[11:07] <pmjdebruijn> oh, it was already answered :D
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[11:39] <shiftplusone> NedScott: Ping? How familiar are you with kodi's dependencies? Trying to figure out what I need to do regarding kodi when moving to jessie.
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[11:43] <Great-Geek> Got the Fedora armhf image booting on RPi2
[11:43] <Great-Geek> Very hacky, but it's something
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[12:39] <Stanto> "day> does the RPI.GPIO python libary simply read/write the virtual gpio files?" I believe you can look at the files and determine that for yourself. I suspect yes.
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[12:50] <shiftplusone> nuh, it probably uses /dev/mem
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[13:00] <sysx1000> it _uses_ /dev/mem
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[13:55] <ThinkingofPython> How to say Parmesan: http://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/dictionary/american-english/parmesan-cheese?q=Parmesan+%28cheese%29/
[13:56] <__FNO__> ?
[13:57] <ThinkingofPython> :)
[13:58] <shiftplusone> Oh, I've been saying it wrong.
[13:59] <ThinkingofPython> lol
[13:59] <ThinkingofPython> Apparently so
[13:59] <ThinkingofPython> Dont know what happened on that site, or if that's actually how you say it :\
[14:00] <ThinkingofPython> but made me implode with laughter
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[14:09] <__FNO__> i'm a newbie for emacs now.
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[14:11] <__FNO__> but the latest emacs in rpi is 23.4 :(
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[14:13] <Great-Geek> __FNO__, 24.5 for me...
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[14:15] <Great-Geek> ThinkingofPython, Nice find. It isn't affecting this page, though http://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/dictionary/british/parmesan
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[14:24] <__FNO__> What are you talking about? :)
[14:24] <shiftplusone> cheese
[14:25] <shiftplusone> (but he's a fedora user, so what would he know)
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[14:27] * ThinkingofPython sips a cold one (Tiger Beer, mmm)
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[14:40] <shiftplusone> ThinkingofPython: shame on you
[14:40] <ThinkingofPython> D: why
[14:40] <shiftplusone> You should have an abundance of Tsing Tao
[14:40] <ThinkingofPython> Lol Tsingtao is just ok
[14:40] <ThinkingofPython> Tiger Beer is one of the best here, cheap too
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[14:41] <shiftplusone> Idn, when I was in China I pretty much lives on tsing tao
[14:41] <ThinkingofPython> Harbin sucks, Yanjing is great, TsingTao is alright, Tiger is awesome. There's tons and tons of small brands that are alright too
[14:41] <ThinkingofPython> Ah, so I suppose you've had baiju?
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[14:41] <ThinkingofPython> Baijou as it can be written as well
[14:41] <ThinkingofPython> Chinese rice wine
[14:41] <shiftplusone> Nope
[14:42] <__FNO__> haha
[14:42] <ThinkingofPython> aww you missed out
[14:42] <ThinkingofPython> Tastes like paint thinner.
[14:42] <ThinkingofPython> lol
[14:42] <shiftplusone> yum
[14:42] <ThinkingofPython> shiftplusone What did you do in China?
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[14:42] <shiftplusone> ThinkingofPython: visited my brother who lived there for a while and then did touristy stuff with my gf at the time.
[14:43] <ThinkingofPython> Ah nice
[14:43] <ThinkingofPython> Did your brother teach her or something?
[14:43] <shiftplusone> nuh importing stuff from there
[14:43] <ThinkingofPython> Ah sweet
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[14:45] <shiftplusone> don't remember the exact itinerary, but we started in guangzhou, went to the area with the spicy food to the west that I forget the name of. Took a cruise through yangtze river. Ended up in Xi'ian, then Bejing and.... another place I don't remember off the top of my head.
[14:45] <ThinkingofPython> Chengdu.
[14:45] <ThinkingofPython> or Qongqing (both are in Sichuan)
[14:45] <ThinkingofPython> I've lived in Beijing, Hong Kong, Zhongshan, Chengdu
[14:45] <shiftplusone> ah yeah, chengdu sounds familiar
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[14:46] <ThinkingofPython> Now am in Xiaolan, right near Guangzhou
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[14:46] <shiftplusone> would've loved to visit Tibet, but they made us sign a statement saying we won't O_o
[14:46] <ThinkingofPython> Yep.
[14:46] <ThinkingofPython> You kind of cant.
[14:46] <ThinkingofPython> There's ways to get in but heck visiting North Korea is way easier.
[14:46] <Kasreyn> anyone know how eth0 can be enabled for upstream kernel 3.17? i know it isn't broken because usb start works in uboot.. http://paste.debian.net/181060/
[14:47] <shiftplusone> We've spoken to a few people in hostels who have gone and it seemed possible... you just don't put it on your visa application like an idiot. >_<
[14:47] <ThinkingofPython> My friends and I went to NK about maybe 2 years ago now. Go to a passport office in Harbin, pay for "NK VISA", get a flight to NK, enter as usual, get toured around, come back a day later. It's very surreal, but also cool to see.
[14:47] <ThinkingofPython> yeah
[14:47] <ThinkingofPython> "I want to go to Tibet" LOL
[14:47] <ozzzy> I want to go to Saskatchewan
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[14:49] <shiftplusone> Heh, there's a section where you need to writte down your itinerary and I figured being honest would be the way to go. I've read that you can apply for a permit to visit, but you need to do so once you get to China. Then at the embassy they're like "well, do you have the permit?" "But... I can't get one here" "So, you can't go to Tibet" >_< Logic
[14:49] <shiftplusone> So in theory, you can get a permit, in practice... no.
[14:50] <ThinkingofPython> http://www.tibettravel.org/how-to-get-to-tibet/
[14:50] <ThinkingofPython> heh
[14:50] <ThinkingofPython> or here: http://www.tripadvisor.com/Travel-g294211-c187076/China:How.To.Visit.Tibet.html
[14:50] <shiftplusone> plus that was at a somewhat unrestful time. Was on a train with some soldiers coming from there and they looked like they've seen some stuff. O_o
[14:51] <ThinkingofPython> ah yes
[14:51] <ThinkingofPython> Tibet is lovely, haven't went yet
[14:51] <ThinkingofPython> I went to NK as well before stuff went down there
[14:52] <shiftplusone> Heh, I might do that one of these days.
[14:52] <ThinkingofPython> Give it a shot :)
[14:53] <ThinkingofPython> When in Chengdu, I went to Emei Mountain
[14:53] <ThinkingofPython> got to drink tea with monks
[14:53] <ThinkingofPython> Very surreal. Also went to the Panda research base but that was just neat lol
[14:53] <ThinkingofPython> I did a lot of travelling in China, doing cool stuff. Now I just chill at home in my free time, inventing stuff, gaming, inventing more stuff and not sleeping.
[14:54] <shiftplusone> nice
[14:54] <ThinkingofPython> Yeah, trying to get something off the ground is tough. Parts are cheap here, so I've developed a VR headset that I was hoping to do something with
[14:55] <ThinkingofPython> but the Pi2 stole all my attention
[14:55] <shiftplusone> excellent >=)
[14:55] <ThinkingofPython> Heh yeah, the Pi2 will work perfectly for what I want to make
[14:55] <ThinkingofPython> A little thick due to the USb ports, but that can be dealt with
[14:56] <shiftplusone> One guy here made a VR headset by strapping two pi2 with displays and lenses attached onto his head.
[14:56] <shiftplusone> Wish I had the photo somewhere >_<
[14:56] <shiftplusone> actually it was pi 1s, since it was a while back
[14:56] <ThinkingofPython> lol
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[14:56] <ThinkingofPython> Mine's made with an ARM dev board with a magnetometer, gyro, gravitational sensor, accelerometer
[14:57] <ThinkingofPython> Screen, lenses, the works.
[14:57] <ThinkingofPython> Runs Oculus code and works with all the stuff too
[14:57] <ThinkingofPython> Actually has 3 DOF more than the Oculus, but is used for error correction
[14:58] <ShorTie> gravitational sensor, hey dum dum your falling down
[14:58] <ThinkingofPython> heh nah not like that
[14:58] <ThinkingofPython> Relative gravity
[14:58] <ThinkingofPython> Basically tracks the headsets position in 2D space
[14:58] <ThinkingofPython> up and down
[14:58] <shiftplusone> you might find the sense hat interesting to play with when it comes out then
[14:59] <ThinkingofPython> Yeah I'd like to take a look at that
[14:59] <ali1234> or you could just buy a 9DOF i2c sensor for like £3
[14:59] <ThinkingofPython> A sensor wont work, you need something to drive it, compute it
[14:59] <ThinkingofPython> Dont want the PC doing that
[15:00] <ThinkingofPython> Mines an F3DISCOVERY arm board
[15:00] <ali1234> yes, you just connect it on i2c
[15:00] <ali1234> they have built in microcontrollers now
[15:00] <ThinkingofPython> link me?
[15:00] <ThinkingofPython> As the Oculus code is very picky on what is can accept
[15:01] <ali1234> https://strawberry-linux.com/pub/PS-MPU-9150A.pdf
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[15:02] <ThinkingofPython> Lol linking a pdf, really?
[15:02] <ThinkingofPython> Got a better link please? :)
[15:02] <ali1234> better than the datasheet of the chip? no
[15:02] <ThinkingofPython> Product link?
[15:03] <ThinkingofPython> That pdf will finish downloading in about 7 hours here lol
[15:03] <ali1234> http://store.invensense.com/ProductDetail/MPU9150-InvenSense-Inc/73953/
[15:03] <ThinkingofPython> Thanks :)
[15:04] <ThinkingofPython> shiftplusone However, Ive got the VR headset done, just taking a break right now, as Ive been working on the Pi2 idea I told you briefly
[15:05] <ThinkingofPython> hmm ali1234 Do they have one that isnt just a chip?
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[15:05] <reber> hi
[15:05] <ali1234> yes, check ebay
[15:05] <ThinkingofPython> The F3DISCOVERY is nice because it has USB out, buttons for calibration, etc
[15:05] <reber> anyone using motion here with raspberrypi ?
[15:05] <ThinkingofPython> Ah yeah wouldnt work
[15:06] <ThinkingofPython> Wouldn't be electronically compatible.
[15:06] <ThinkingofPython> Plus an F3DISCOVERY is only a few dollars more here
[15:07] <Great-Geek> shiftplusone: (but he's shiftplusone a fedora user, so what would he know)
[15:07] <Great-Geek> shiftplusone, Primarily I'm an ArchLinux user
[15:07] <shiftplusone> f3 discovery is quite a fun board to get started with bare metal arm
[15:07] <ThinkingofPython> Yeah, it's pretty fun
[15:08] <ThinkingofPython> A little big, but very useful
[15:08] <ali1234> where can i get one for < £10?
[15:08] <shiftplusone> Great-Geek: wasn't being serious... no shame in using different distros.
[15:08] <ThinkingofPython> In China they are 80cny
[15:08] <ThinkingofPython> which is 8 pounds
[15:09] <ali1234> they are £15 on ebay
[15:09] <ThinkingofPython> Worth it.
[15:09] <Great-Geek> shiftplusone, I know, but I'm associated with pushing Arch everywhere in the Android ROM building world
[15:09] <ali1234> also the board is bigger than a raspberry pi
[15:09] <ali1234> you really strap that to your head?
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[15:10] <ThinkingofPython> Ali1234 Lol, do you know the actual size of a VR headset
[15:10] <ThinkingofPython> Mines smaller than the Oculus DK1.
[15:10] <ali1234> yes, i have a DK1
[15:10] <ThinkingofPython> It goes behind a 7" screen
[15:10] <ThinkingofPython> so its perfectly fine.
[15:10] <ThinkingofPython> The board is much smaller than a 7" LCD
[15:11] <ali1234> well i wouldn't be using it ina VR headset anyway
[15:11] <ThinkingofPython> Pretty much my headset is a tad smaller than the dk1, runs all dk1 games and cost about $60 to make. 3d printed case, headstrap too :)
[15:11] <ThinkingofPython> Would be neat if the Pi2 could run some simple VR apps
[15:12] <Kasreyn> nevermind my RPi question, it was because i specifically didn't set CONFIG_USB_DWC2_PLATFORM=y (and CONFIG_USB_DWC2_HOST was not in defconfig until 3.18..)
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[15:12] <ali1234> the way the 3d hardware is set up in the raspberry pi pretty much guarantees that the oculus stuff like timewarp will never be able to work on it
[15:13] <ali1234> not without introducing several latency anyway
[15:13] <ThinkingofPython> Doesnt even have to be graphically intensive
[15:13] <ThinkingofPython> more like a tech demo, PoC even
[15:13] <ali1234> you can do basic stuff not problem
[15:13] <ali1234> just draw some 3d shapes, it's not hard
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[15:14] <Tenkawa> hi al
[15:14] <Tenkawa> ll
[15:14] <Tenkawa> er hi all
[15:14] <ThinkingofPython> sup
[15:14] <Tenkawa> just getting the day started
[15:14] <ThinkingofPython> ah, whats the time there?
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[15:15] <Tenkawa> 9:15 am
[15:15] <__FNO__> +12 hours
[15:15] <Tenkawa> heheheh
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[15:17] <ThinkingofPython> ah its 9:16PM here
[15:17] <ThinkingofPython> FNO and I are in China :)
[15:18] <Tenkawa> ahh
[15:18] <Tenkawa> i've been up since 6 am or so though
[15:18] <MY123> erm
[15:19] <MY123> about a thing
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[15:19] <Tenkawa> MY123: eh?
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[15:20] <MY123> Tenkawa, there is weird people porting NT 4.0 to the Pi2
[15:20] <Tenkawa> ouch
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[15:20] <MY123> Tenkawa, using the source leak
[15:20] <ShorTie> xp would be nice
[15:20] <ozzzy> MY123, url?
[15:21] <MY123> ShorTie, there also was a Server 2003 leak but it's only the kernel, not the userland
[15:21] <Tenkawa> xp would at least be useful
[15:21] <MY123> ozzzy, OpenNT.net
[15:21] <Tenkawa> 7 even more
[15:21] <MY123> Tenkawa, RT 8.1?
[15:21] <Tenkawa> noooooooooooooooooooooooo
[15:21] <ThinkingofPython> RT RT RT RT CMON
[15:21] <Tenkawa> ugggh no
[15:21] <ThinkingofPython> yesyesyes
[15:22] <ThinkingofPython> pls
[15:22] <ozzzy> that's all x86...
[15:22] <MY123> Tenkawa, see the PM :P
[15:22] <MY123> ozzzy, x86, Alpha and MIPS
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[15:23] <MY123> ozzzy, there is ARM on their roadmap
[15:23] <Tenkawa> MY123: i responded
[15:23] <ozzzy> well... NT ran on alpha
[15:23] <ShorTie> as a matter of fact, i just restored an old xp image this mornin so i could get back autocad, loL>
[15:24] <ozzzy> and mips... and ppc
[15:24] <MY123> ozzzy, yes, and they are bad enough to try to port it to ARMv6
[15:24] <MY123> and v7
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[15:24] <ozzzy> the chips don't have the resources
[15:24] <MY123> ozzzy, they have
[15:25] <ozzzy> I don't see it
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[15:26] <ali1234> NT also ran on ARM
[15:26] <Tenkawa> nt arm wa bad
[15:26] <Tenkawa> err was
[15:26] <MY123> ali1234, yeah NT5 ran on ARM for the US Army
[15:26] <Tenkawa> wasnt there ppc too?
[15:26] <ali1234> actually maybe it didn't, not NT4 anyway
[15:27] <MY123> Tenkawa, yeah, there was PPC
[15:27] <Tenkawa> thats what i thought
[15:27] <Tenkawa> then again look were ppc is... gone
[15:27] <Tenkawa> essentially
[15:27] <ozzzy> ali1234, no... not NT4
[15:28] <ozzzy> RT
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[15:28] <MY123> ozzzy, NT5.0 ran
[15:28] <MY123> (Windows 2000)
[15:28] <ozzzy> that's not NT4
[15:28] <ozzzy> 6.xxx ran
[15:29] <MY123> ozzzy, 5.0, 6.1, 6.2, 6.3 and 10.0 ran
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[15:29] <MY123> (or are running)
[15:29] <MY123> Windows 7 build 7846
[15:29] <MY123> (post-RTM)
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[15:29] <ozzzy> which is windows 6.xxx
[15:29] <MY123> if I remember well
[15:30] <MY123> ozzzy, there is also 5.0
[15:30] <Tenkawa> hey.. i want beos pi!!
[15:30] <Tenkawa> haaaa
[15:30] <Tenkawa> haaa
[15:30] <Tenkawa> now that would be cool
[15:30] <Tenkawa> haahaa
[15:30] <Tenkawa> (10 years ago)
[15:30] <ozzzy> microsoft never had a win 5.x running on arm
[15:31] <Kasreyn> AmigaOS Pi.. ... ....!
[15:31] <ozzzy> they had a win 6.x
[15:31] <ozzzy> QNX
[15:31] <ozzzy> scales from a digital watch to a supercomputer
[15:31] <Tenkawa> qnx was great
[15:31] <ozzzy> still is
[15:31] <Tenkawa> too pricy though for hobbyists
[15:31] <ozzzy> used to have a free version with photon
[15:31] <Tenkawa> yeah
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[15:33] <MY123> ozzzy, they had according to the US Army
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[15:34] <MY123> but there never was a binary leak
[15:34] <ozzzy> I'd believer MS over the army LOL
[15:34] <ozzzy> er... believe
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[15:35] * Tenkawa wonders if there are any organizations in the us that need/want donated pi 1's
[15:35] <Tenkawa> b's and b+'s
[15:36] <Matt> good question
[15:36] <Tenkawa> got quite a few idling now :(
[15:36] <Matt> there's probably someone out there
[15:36] <Tenkawa> i'd be happy to give them to a school or organization
[15:37] <Tenkawa> i'm about to start working on pi2's and odroid c1's
[15:38] <Tenkawa> i still wish someone would figure out a way to put sata on one of these natively
[15:38] <Tenkawa> not just through usb like mine
[15:38] <pmjdebruijn> there probably aren't any busses exposes you can attach stuff too
[15:39] <pmjdebruijn> which is why the Ethernet controller is on USB too
[15:39] <Tenkawa> i know :(
[15:39] <Tenkawa> still a bummer
[15:39] <Kasreyn> SATA --> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banana_Pi
[15:39] <ozzzy> I have yet to think of something my pi2 would be useful for
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[15:40] <Tenkawa> Kasreyn: can you give me the synopsis short version?
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[15:40] <Kasreyn> ozzzy: router? IRC chat server? .. many things!
[15:40] <Tenkawa> ozzzy: i use mine a lot
[15:40] <ozzzy> my computers run 24/7.... if I need a server I'll just install one on one of thse
[15:41] <Kasreyn> Tenkawa: Banana Pi has SATA that's why i ordered one.. waiting to see if it's as easy to set up as the RPi
[15:41] <ozzzy> I was using one for USB over IP
[15:41] <Tenkawa> ahhh
[15:41] <ozzzy> but it was way too slow
[15:41] <ShorTie> there is a few with sata http://www.bigboardlist.com/
[15:42] <brasizza> Hello guys
[15:42] <brasizza> just a question very quick.
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[15:42] <brasizza> i can just develop in a loop with raspi or i can do with events withou my app been in a infinite loop
[15:43] <Tenkawa> Kasreyn: let me know how it goes
[15:43] <brasizza> or threads
[15:43] <brasizza> i wanna run at te same time, my temperature sensor, weather , proximity , relay without been procedural
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[15:57] <Froolap> don't need a weather station. n Riverview Land Preserve ticket booth, Riverview, Michigan at 9:46 AM EDT it was 44.1 degrees F (6.7 C), with Mostly Cloudy sky and a 2.0 MPH (3.2 KPH) wind from the NE. The humidity was at 70%.
[15:57] <Froolap> my pi brings me that without a station
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[16:01] <brasizza> i just gave an example
[16:01] <brasizza> i wanna read more than 1 sensor at the same time
[16:01] <brasizza> i'll try thread
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[16:03] <Tenkawa> Froolap: well i got one of the pi2's converted to usb ssd..
[16:03] <Tenkawa> thig flies now
[16:03] <Tenkawa> er thing
[16:03] <Tenkawa> still wish it was native sata however this is a nice start
[16:04] <Froolap> cool
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[16:05] <Tenkawa> yeah i had to try 2 diff usb cables because it kept crashing
[16:05] <Tenkawa> once the one stabilized wow
[16:05] <Froolap> I have mine converted to usb pata hdd, so it's stil slo
[16:07] <Tenkawa> ouch
[16:07] <Tenkawa> didnt even know you could still get pata drives
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[16:12] <ozzzy> I don't see any difference in speed between the usb/ssd and usb/platter
[16:12] <ozzzy> on the Pi2 anyway
[16:13] <Tenkawa> ozzzy: i just dont have any platter drives
[16:13] <Tenkawa> however if i did I'd rather have sata than pata
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[16:14] <ozzzy> well... when you're funneling them through USB2 does it matter?
[16:14] <Froolap> it was an old laptop drive that I had laying around, figured might as well use it.
[16:14] * ozzzy tries to remember the pata speeds
[16:14] <Froolap> yeah native sata would be really nice.
[16:15] <Tenkawa> ozzzy: yes... moving parts
[16:15] <Tenkawa> i dont like moving parts
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[16:15] <ozzzy> oh... I just think speed... I don't care if parts spin or not (as long as I don't need a separate power supply)
[16:15] <TheLostAdmin> I suspect that the bottleneck would the USB2, not the platter speed.
[16:16] <TheLostAdmin> I'm far less worried about moving parts than Tenkawa is. I've got 25 year old hard drives that run just fine.
[16:16] <Tenkawa> TheLostAdmin: yeah the usb definitely is the bottleneck
[16:17] <Tenkawa> TheLostAdmin: I've had too many head crashes
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[16:17] <Froolap> yeah but my usb drive has two usb cables. Doesn't that mean it can go twice as fast?
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[16:19] <McBride36> no, it means you can send twice the amount of data
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[16:21] <TheLostAdmin> Or you need to use twice as much power :P
[16:21] * ozzzy hasn't had a head crash in over 25years
[16:21] <Tenkawa> ozzzy: i just had bad luck
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[16:23] <ozzzy> sounds like it =)
[16:23] <ozzzy> I had some early Samsung and Goldstar drives show up DOA... they were crap to start with
[16:24] <McBride36> could you use USB to SATA?
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[16:25] <Tenkawa> McBride36: thats what I do now
[16:26] <Tenkawa> i just wish there was a native adapter
[16:26] <McBride36> o right, that's what native means
[16:26] <Tenkawa> usb connected sata to rpi2 is flying
[16:26] <McBride36> still the morning for me
[16:26] <Tenkawa> just still adds a layer
[16:26] <Tenkawa> its only 10:20 here
[16:26] <Tenkawa> am
[16:27] <McBride36> -1 hour for me, been in a meeting since i got here
[16:27] <Tenkawa> I'm one of those disturbing morning people though
[16:27] <McBride36> i find that as people get older they turn into early morning people
[16:27] <Tenkawa> I've been up since 6 and actually like it
[16:27] <Froolap> that's better than being a disturbed morning person.....
[16:27] <Tenkawa> McBride36: i've always been this way
[16:28] <Tenkawa> heehee
[16:28] <Froolap> watch the basket people walk around and mumble
[16:28] <TheLostAdmin> I doubt we will see a native sata on the Pi any time soon. I'm not the best at reading the hardware spec, but from what I can tell the Pi uses USB as the system bus for everything except the video chip (which seams to include the camera port).
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[16:28] <Tenkawa> shouldve seen me get the family up when I was like 12
[16:28] <TheLostAdmin> well, not RAM either.
[16:28] <Tenkawa> TheLostAdmin: yeah i know... one can always dream
[16:29] <McBride36> just weld one on at any old place and post a photo
[16:29] <TheLostAdmin> I think esata would make more sense than a pin-header.
[16:29] <Tenkawa> haahaa
[16:29] <Tenkawa> TheLostAdmin: agreed
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[16:29] <McBride36> TheLostAdmin, when you say pin header, do you mean the gpio pins?
[16:29] <HoloPed> Hi All, can someone recommend a game dev framework that works on the pi, and is not PyGame or Scratch ?
[16:30] <Froolap> yeah, give the pi sata and then pipe usb and eth0 through the stat bus
[16:30] <TheLostAdmin> I mean the header for a sata port, McBride36.
[16:30] <Froolap> sata bus
[16:30] <McBride36> ah, gotcha
[16:30] <Tenkawa> I wouldnt mind an rpi2+ without an ethernet port at all
[16:30] <Tenkawa> usb wireless and use the ethernet space for something else
[16:30] <TheLostAdmin> My personal uneducated guess is that the next peripheral modification we see will be USB3.
[16:31] <Froolap> I got my pi cat5 to the router due to too much wireless noise
[16:31] <Tenkawa> TheLostAdmin: that would be nice too
[16:31] <Tenkawa> Froolap: how many devices on your net?
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[16:32] <Tenkawa> i have 8-10 wireless devices talking pretty much at all times
[16:32] <TheLostAdmin> I have both my Pis (I have 2 of 'em running now) are wired to the router ethernet port. Shockingly it is now full.
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[16:32] <Tenkawa> with no crosstraffic problems
[16:32] <Froolap> you mean how many wireless routers in my house? or neighborhood?
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[16:32] <Tenkawa> no
[16:32] <Tenkawa> devices on your ssid
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[16:32] <Froolap> I have 5 wireless routers in my house and can see 20 wireless routers in my neighborhood,
[16:33] <Tenkawa> not routers... end points
[16:33] <Tenkawa> devices
[16:33] <Tenkawa> computers/printers/etc
[16:33] <Froolap> 20 or so
[16:33] <Tenkawa> ahhhh
[16:33] <Tenkawa> lot more than me
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[16:33] <Tenkawa> definitely makes sense why you might have more noise problems
[16:34] <Froolap> pi, desktops, laptops, android. cameras
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[16:34] <Tenkawa> TheLostAdmin: I m trying to avoid wired because eventually I plan on having the rpi's in different rooms
[16:35] <Tenkawa> going to be interesting if I add a few odroids into the mix
[16:35] <Tenkawa> wish my local shop had them :(
[16:36] <Froolap> I found that the droid makes for a good multi-ip-cam monitor.
[16:36] <Tenkawa> got plenty rpi's, beagles, arduinos
[16:36] <Tenkawa> Froolap: which model?
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[16:36] <Froolap> I don't think the modle makes as much difference as the software
[16:37] <Tenkawa> odroid models are dramaticly different
[16:37] <TheLostAdmin> Tenkawa, I was really surprised when I filled the 4 ports on my router. I have been wireless for years. Then I got around to re-deploying my FreeBSD server and discovered I had lost the wifi antenna (so crap signal even close to the router). That resulted in a massive file transfer from my Mac, so I put the wire back in the Mac. 2 Pis later and I've filled all 4 ports.
[16:37] <Tenkawa> not just small mods
[16:37] <Froolap> I've run on galaxy tab 2 and I ran on a cheap 70 droid, both worked well
[16:37] <Tenkawa> Froolap: not "droids".. ODROID
[16:38] <Tenkawa> hardkernel odroid
[16:38] <Tenkawa> very specific piece of equip
[16:38] <Froolap> I didn't say anything about odroid. never heard of them.
[16:39] <Matt> wired stuff is useful
[16:39] <Tenkawa> ok i'm confused.. you replied with something about droid... thought you were talking to me
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[16:39] * Matt has an 8-port gig-e switch up front, and a 24-port managed gig-e switch on his desk
[16:39] <Tenkawa> sorry
[16:39] <Tenkawa> Matt: it can be.. I have the eth turned off on my rpis
[16:39] <Tenkawa> not even in the kernel
[16:40] <Froolap> ahhhh, I was still stuck on devices on my net, sorry
[16:40] <Tenkawa> heehee np
[16:41] <Tenkawa> Froolap: we all have too many devices to keep track of nowadays
[16:41] <Tenkawa> it was so simple in the 80's
[16:41] <TheLostAdmin> yes, I do. And sadly I'm thinking of getting another one.
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[16:41] <Froolap> but the ip-cam viewer by Robert Chou is very good on the droid.
[16:41] <TheLostAdmin> Or two
[16:42] <Tenkawa> I'm still trying to find the device that reflects my needs/intent the most
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[16:42] <Tenkawa> so many have everything but 1 thing right however that one thing ends up being a deal breaker
[16:43] <Froolap> yeah back in the 80's all we had to do was toss a tape in the drive, go and eat dinner and hope that the program was done loading by the time you were done washing dishes.
[16:43] <Tenkawa> yep
[16:43] <Tenkawa> Froolap: i miss my acoustic couplers too.... not
[16:43] <Tenkawa> I even had a turntable data device
[16:43] <Froolap> heh
[16:43] <Tenkawa> that thing was rpm sensitive
[16:43] <Froolap> you got me there
[16:44] <Tenkawa> it was so twitchy
[16:44] <Tenkawa> rainbow magazine released a few data lps
[16:44] <Tenkawa> anyone remember that magazine?
[16:45] <Froolap> that must have been a joy to listen to on a romantis evening.
[16:45] <Tenkawa> haaaahaaaaahaaaaa
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[16:49] <linuxthefish> has anyone ever used the rpi compute before?
[16:49] <Tenkawa> bbialw...
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[16:49] <linuxthefish> are there 4 USB ports on the 200pin dimm?
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[17:14] <__FNO__> Which irc client is better on emacs?
[17:15] <Tenkawa> what do you mean?
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[17:17] <__FNO__> what irc client do you use?
[17:18] <Tenkawa> ahh
[17:19] <Tenkawa> i use a few different ones... not sure how they would interact with emacs though
[17:20] <linuxthefish> irssi!
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[17:21] <Tenkawa> yeah irssi is really good
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[17:22] * Tenkawa still remembers irc clients from 1994'ish
[17:22] <__FNO__> maybe i can have a try.
[17:23] * shiftplusone checks when mirc came out
[17:23] * Great-Geek wasn't even born then
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[17:23] <shiftplusone> 1995
[17:23] <Tenkawa> shiftplusone: heheh.. good ole days eh?
[17:23] <Great-Geek> Would people be interested in an installer script for Fedora21 for RPi2 ?
[17:23] <ppq> "good"? we are talking about mirc
[17:23] <ppq> :P
[17:24] <Tenkawa> mirc haahaa i can remember attempts to clone it
[17:24] <shiftplusone> I'm not quite of that vintage either. mirc is just the first irc client i remember (not fondly)
[17:24] <Great-Geek> Since the Remixes have gone AWOL
[17:24] <ppq> same for me
[17:24] <Tenkawa> i think i started irc in 93 however cant say for sure
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[17:25] <ppq> me in 97 when i got my first dialup connection
[17:25] <Tenkawa> heheh
[17:25] <Tenkawa> my first dialup was in 80
[17:25] <shiftplusone> probably around 99 here
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[17:25] <Tenkawa> good ole 300 baud
[17:26] <Tenkawa> f
[17:26] <Tenkawa> flip switch modem
[17:26] <jer> first got online through a bbs with a 300 baud acoustic coupler =D
[17:26] <shiftplusone> I think my c64 modem is 300 baud though >.>
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[17:26] <shiftplusone> might be slower than that
[17:27] <shiftplusone> Want to hook it up some day, but have no idea how things worked back then.
[17:27] <shiftplusone> (is there even anything I can connect to)
[17:27] <Tenkawa> jer: had a coupler but the line noise was too bad
[17:27] <jer> oh yeah i don't look back fondly
[17:27] <jer> i got a 2400 baud modem in i think it was 90
[17:28] <jer> little 8-bit isa card, was a lot better
[17:28] <jer> do remember spending 2 days downloading netscape 2.02 though through xmodem just so i could resume the download after i got disconnected =p
[17:28] <methuzla> shiftplusone connect to WOPR, play some chess...
[17:28] <jer> oh man, thank god for szrz =D
[17:28] <shiftplusone> heh
[17:29] <Tenkawa> jer: i'm not sure any of the isa cards qualified as little hegeheh
[17:29] <Tenkawa> xmodem!!!
[17:29] <jer> Tenkawa, haha, yeah fair enough =]
[17:29] <Tenkawa> ymodem!! who needed zmodem
[17:29] <Tenkawa> haahaa
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[17:29] <jer> Tenkawa, problem with ymodem/zmodem in my terminal program, was that they didn't do resumed downloads. so yeah they were faster, but if i got disconnected, i'd have to start over again
[17:29] <jer> this was a multi-hour download =]
[17:29] <Tenkawa> jer: nod
[17:30] <Tenkawa> remember pcboard, rbbs, and qmodem?
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[17:32] <jer> yeah
[17:32] <sysx1000> 300 baud is freakin slow
[17:32] <jer> sysx1000, no shit =]
[17:32] <Tenkawa> sysx1000: wasnt back then......
[17:32] <jer> back then though, access was great, speed didn't matter as much (right away)
[17:32] <Tenkawa> hehegeg
[17:32] <Tenkawa> yep
[17:32] <sysx1000> even 1200 baud would transform you to a screamin' idiot
[17:33] <jer> i could lag a 2400 baud in a telnet session just by typing
[17:33] <jer> these weren't exactly fast speeds =]
[17:33] <Tenkawa> line quality was usually horrid then in the middle of nowhere where i lived
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[17:33] <sysx1000> 2400 MNP, V42bis, God, forgive us
[17:33] <jer> i lived in an area of southern ontario, in canada, where party lines were still a thing (one line split between multiple houses). glad we didn't have one of those =]
[17:33] <Tenkawa> oops
[17:34] <Tenkawa> bus crash
[17:34] <Tenkawa> brb
[17:34] <sysx1000> tea time
[17:34] <jer> i should get back to work =]
[17:34] <Tenkawa> seg faulted the whole box
[17:34] <Tenkawa> oops
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[17:38] <Noob21> hey guys, my pi2 just arrived today, it was supposed to have noobs installed but i don't know if it's working. I'm using the composite cable and when I turn it on and hit '3' multiple times nothing happens. the numlock works but it's very slow to respond.
[17:38] <Noob21> i don't have an hdmi device to test
[17:39] <Noob21> can I test if it's working on the USB port of a windows pc?
[17:40] <methuzla> Noob21 did it come with an SD card?
[17:40] <Noob21> methuzla: yep
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[17:40] <Noob21> methuzla: it's from modmypi
[17:40] <Noob21> the pi 2 bundle with noobs
[17:40] <Noob21> and i bought the composite cable too
[17:41] <ShorTie> you could dump noobs, put raspbian on sdcard and ssh/putty to it from windows
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[17:41] <methuzla> Noob21 as a quick sanity check, you can look at the SD card on another machine to see if it's readable
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[17:41] <Noob21> windows won't read the sdcard directly, i suspect it's because it's formatted wuth ext4 or something
[17:41] <Noob21> don't have a linux machine atm
[17:41] <ShorTie> it will read some of the sdcard
[17:42] <ShorTie> the /boot part is formatted fat
[17:42] <methuzla> Noob21 there's a FAT partition that the windows machine should be able to see
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[17:42] <Noob21> so, the sd is not working
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[17:43] <Noob21> is the microusb port only for power or can it be used for data transfer?
[17:43] <IT_Sean> only powah
[17:43] <methuzla> power only
[17:44] <ShorTie> got a sdcard reader you can use in windows, grabs the latest raspbian and just put it on http://downloads.raspberrypi.org/raspbian_latest
[17:44] <methuzla> try reimaging the card with raspbian and try again
[17:44] <McBride36> we need more powah
[17:44] <IT_Sean> I cannoh doit cap'n, i dunnah 've the pwah!
[17:44] <Noob21> I will do that. Thanks guys.
[17:44] <IT_Sean> aye.
[17:45] <IT_Sean> also, be sure you are using a decent powah supply. It's not likely to work plugged intah the USB port on your computah.
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[17:46] * ShorTie thinkz, and good micro-usb cable
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[17:49] <methuzla> Noob21 yeah, what are you using for power supply and cable?
[17:49] * IT_Sean pokes Noob21
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[17:52] <Noob21> methuzla: 1400mAh LG USB-MicroUSB charger
[17:52] <methuzla> Noob21 is that a battery pack?
[17:53] <Noob21> methuzla: nope, it's a wall charger with a usb-microusb cable
[17:53] <Noob21> seems good quality
[17:53] <Noob21> but you never know
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[17:53] <Noob21> perhaps i should try the usb port of my computer
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[17:53] <methuzla> no
[17:54] <methuzla> does the charger have an actual current output rating? units would be A or mA
[17:54] <ShorTie> is there any writing on the micro-usb cable ??
[17:55] <ThinkingofPython> My Pi2 runs OC'ed just fine on a 1A plug.
[17:55] <methuzla> Noob21 yep. and then look for small print on the cable indicating some kind of AWG rating.
[17:55] <ShorTie> charging cords don't always work good with the pi
[17:56] <ThinkingofPython> Ive got the Pi2 running fine on a Y charger
[17:56] <ThinkingofPython> Micro USB female to 2 Micro USB male (1 power, 1 data)
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[17:58] <Noob21> methuzla: yeah, it's 1400mA (forget that 'h')
[17:58] <methuzla> Noob21 that should be OK for the power supply, now check the cable
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[18:14] <ThinkingofPython> Just remember, most battery packs (if it is one) may lose mah as they start to drain
[18:14] <ThinkingofPython> and/or voltage
[18:14] <ThinkingofPython> Can't quite remember. Have had a few beers
[18:16] <ShorTie> both
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[18:18] <Noob21> it seems the problem is the p2-rca cable... if I insert it 90% then I can see an 'negative' image flickering on the screen. The pi responds immediately to keystrokes (2,3,4)
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[18:19] <Noob21> it's like an inverted image, it flickers a lot so i can't read but there's a dialog with yes/no buttons it seems
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[18:20] <ThinkingofPython> Maybe try HDMI?
[18:20] <ShorTie> pinout http://www.raspberrypi-spy.co.uk/2014/07/raspberry-pi-model-b-3-5mm-audiovideo-jack/
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[18:20] <methuzla> Noob21 audio is on that same connector, you need to fully insert it
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[18:22] <Noob21> methuzla: yes, but then i get a black screen.
[18:23] <Noob21> perhaps it's because my tv doesn't support progressive scan?
[18:23] <methuzla> Noob21 do you have a link to the cable you are using
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[18:26] <Noob21> methuzla: it looks like this one: http://www.amazon.com/kenable-3-5mm-Phono-Composite-Audio/dp/B004US2Y2A but I bought it along with my pi 2 from modmypi
[18:26] <Noob21> methuzla: this is the item I bought: http://www.modmypi.com/raspberry-pi/accessories/audio-cables/av-composite-cable-3.5mm-to-3-x-rca-3m/?search=rca&page=1
[18:26] <Noob21> but it's very different from the one they shipped
[18:26] <methuzla> that's the correct cable
[18:27] <methuzla> does the cable you were shipped have the three RCA connectors?
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[18:28] <Noob21> NEVERMIND!!!!!! THE COLOURS OF THE TERMINALS ARE INCORRECT!!! it works now! Mwahahahaha! :)
[18:29] <Noob21> thank you very much guys
[18:29] <methuzla> that's where i was headed too
[18:29] <ThinkingofPython> lol
[18:29] <Noob21> colourblind chineses i suspect :P
[18:29] <ThinkingofPython> yeah some of those cables have it wrong
[18:29] <methuzla> then maybe PAL vs NTSC
[18:29] <ThinkingofPython> I had a cable where white was video
[18:29] <ThinkingofPython> like dafuq
[18:29] <Noob21> mine was the red :P
[18:29] <Noob21> and white is the wrong audio channel too
[18:30] <methuzla> video on red is very whacked
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[18:30] <Noob21> yeah, white=red, red=yellow and yellow=white
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[18:31] <Noob21> couldn't care less though :)
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[18:38] <IT_Sean> ThinkingofPython: Please mind your language. The channel language policy is linked in the topic.
[18:39] <ThinkingofPython> Hi IT_Sean, My apologies. I actually try my hardest not to swear too much. Can't view the rules as the link is blocked in China. Didn't consider that word to be a swear, but my bad. Oops!
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[18:41] <shiftplusone> What... that's going off script. You're meant to overreact, start abusing people, get banned and then PM IT_Sean demanding that he unban you while implying he's on a power trip and sweating at him.
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[18:41] <ThinkingofPython> haha
[18:41] <shauno> sshhh .. what he doesn't know won't hurt him ;)
[18:41] <day> why are there no pin markings on the rpi2 >.>"
[18:42] <shiftplusone> sweating? *swearing >_<
[18:42] <ThinkingofPython> Negative. I'm a VOP and a AOP in some other channels over at snoonet
[18:42] <day> do i hold the ports up or down?
[18:42] <r0cketman> No, that's on the linux OS channels. ;-)
[18:42] <shiftplusone> day: there's a notch in the silkscreen on pin 1.
[18:42] <IT_Sean> shiftplusone: No, that was yesterday.
[18:42] <ThinkingofPython> IT_Sean Do you have a link to the rules that isn't behing a tiny.cc?
[18:43] <shiftplusone> day: ports down.
[18:43] <IT_Sean> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Z8B_0WVSFobWv-ZxpupAJ43Bz7QWpAxbefDJ2tD5MTI/edit?usp=sharing <-- ThinkingofPython
[18:43] <day> i just saw the gnd connection. ty
[18:43] <IT_Sean> try that one.
[18:43] <day> on pin 39
[18:43] <ThinkingofPython> ah dang, Google.
[18:43] <ThinkingofPython> Blocked here
[18:43] <IT_Sean> Damn chinese.
[18:43] <IT_Sean> Sorry.
[18:43] <ThinkingofPython> heh
[18:43] <ThinkingofPython> No worries.
[18:44] <ThinkingofPython> Now I know not to swear, so I won't. :)
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[18:44] <Great-Geek> ThinkingofPython, Is there no way to bypass the great firewall ?
[18:45] <ShorTie> move
[18:45] <shiftplusone> day: another hint is that the pad for pin 1 is square.
[18:45] <IT_Sean> Great-Geek: there are plenty of ways, but, if you get caught, the dirtyknees govt' will string you up and gut you like a fish.
[18:45] <ThinkingofPython> No need for racism D:
[18:45] <ThinkingofPython> And yeah I have a VPS.
[18:45] <ThinkingofPython> But, I only use it when I really need to.
[18:45] <shiftplusone> when I visited, most foreigners used VPN
[18:45] <Triffid_Hunter> shiftplusone: actually sweating at someone is a fairly hilarious mental image
[18:46] <shiftplusone> >_<
[18:46] <methuzla> day do you mean pin numbering or pin function?
[18:46] * ThinkingofPython sweats profusely at shiftplusone
[18:46] * ThinkingofPython breathes heavily as well
[18:46] <IT_Sean> ew.
[18:46] * shiftplusone backs away and resumes work
[18:46] * shiftplusone notices the time and wonders why he's still at work.
[18:47] <shiftplusone> Well, I'll be off then.
[18:47] <ThinkingofPython> heh
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[19:02] <|izzie> hi
[19:03] <|izzie> i have set up my rpi to auto boot to the gui... unfortunately, i made some config changes and am unable to access my rpi (i can however, access the drive through a card reaader)... how do i
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[19:04] <|izzie> how do i change so it no longer boots automaticaly to gui?
[19:04] <Froolap> Oh look, |izzie is herer. Now everybody say hello at once and lets see who gets flooded off line.
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[19:05] <IT_Sean> ...
[19:05] * |izzie *smiles* at Froolap
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[19:08] <r0cketman> |izzie: when you say you can't access your rpi, do you mean you cannot login? SSH isn't an option?
[19:08] <ppq> |izzie, https://github.com/asb/raspi-config/blob/master/raspi-config from line 610 it tells you what raspi-config does
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[19:09] <|izzie> ppq, i can't ssh into my pi, because i have screwed up the ip configuration
[19:09] <|izzie> hence, idon't believe i can run raspi-config to reset the boot
[19:09] <ppq> |izzie, should be possible to achieve the same effects on a file basis
[19:10] <ppq> all it does for "console" is: update-rc.d lightdm disable 2
[19:10] <ppq> i think you can disable services using the /etc/rc-foo directories
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[19:10] <|izzie> /boot/config.txt ?oh
[19:11] <ppq> no, not everything raspi-config does is stored in /boot/config.txt
[19:11] <|izzie> oh, yu're saying /etc/
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[19:11] <ppq> |izzie, take a look in /etc/rc2.d/
[19:12] <ppq> if there is a lightdm file, chmod -x it
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[19:12] <ppq> i believe that's how you do it
[19:12] <ppq> not really sure though.
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[19:15] <Great-Geek> |izzie, If you're able to fix it with ssh, then you could chroot in with the qemu-arm-static
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[19:15] <r0cketman> On most linux distros, the default run level is specified in the /etc/inittab. However, on Raspbian I'm not sure the file exists.
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[19:19] <r0cketman> On Stackoverflow, there is discussion that the /etc/inittab exists and that's where the runlevel should be modified. However, can you access that file on the SD card manually? I'm not sure.
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[19:19] <|izzie> ok, no lightdm in rc2.d
[19:19] <r0cketman> (haven't tried)
[19:20] <|izzie> let me check /etc/inittab
[19:20] <spigot> aww, can't read channel rules google doc w/ links2. oh well
[19:20] <r0cketman> The line you're looking for will read something like: id:2:initdefault:
[19:21] <|izzie> no /etc/initta
[19:21] <spigot> a lack of sufficient amperage to an LCD shield can cause it to power up but not respond to commands, right?
[19:21] <|izzie> no /etc/inittab
[19:21] <r0cketman> Yeah, I think a bunch of the /(root) filesystem is compressed somewhere on the SD, but I'm not sure.
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[19:22] <day> what is the easiest way to read a single bus signal that needs an inital pulse signal on the same input it sends its output?
[19:22] <day> with a standard uc i would use a uart/gpio. send a pulse switch to uart and fill the buffer
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[19:24] <reber> hello
[19:24] <reber> what is the equivalent of the raspi2 in intel world of cpu ?
[19:25] <day> the rpi has an rxd as well (gpio15) is it possible to send a pulse then switch to the rxd functionality and collect the input byte wise with a hardware buffer?
[19:26] <ThinkingofPython> reber It's much different than an Intel CPU, difficult to compare.
[19:26] <MY123> reber, Intel Minnowboard MAX
[19:26] <spigot> I've got a power supply that happily pushes .8A to a phone, but the rPi only asks for .07A. This goes up a bit when I power the LCD display off a 5V power from the pi, and the backlight comes on, and potentiometer works to change the contrast, but no love for the example script I found
[19:26] <Froolap> 486 133
[19:26] <MY123> Froolap, MinnowBoard MAX
[19:26] <ThinkingofPython> You can compare the raw specs, but ARM handles data differently, has different instruction sets, compatibility, etc.
[19:27] <reber> 486 133 ? really ?
[19:27] <spigot> heh, 486 133
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[19:27] <ThinkingofPython> ;)
[19:27] <reber> looks a lot powerfull
[19:27] <Froolap> no, that's sarcastic, just to see if anyone remembers the 486
[19:27] <spigot> my 486 rocked 16mhz with the turbo button
[19:27] <day> from the feeling i would say 700Mhz pentium 3 :P
[19:27] <reber> isn't it a celeron 1Ghz ?
[19:28] <day> you really need to specify a task
[19:28] <ThinkingofPython> ARM cannot be directly compared to Intel.
[19:28] <reber> yeap or a 800 Mhz pentium III
[19:28] <day> its a multicore therefore it will beat a pentium/celeron of those gens in many tasks easily
[19:28] <ThinkingofPython> The Pi2 has a quad core 900mhz processor which can be overclocked some. Mines at 1.1ghz
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[19:29] <Berg> does it use more power overclocked?
[19:29] <reber> could it be like a PIV 1,5 Ghz ?
[19:29] <ThinkingofPython> You can compare raw specs, but you can't compare the processors. ARM isn't like AMD (AMD and Intel both can run windows, have compatible instruction sets, etc)
[19:29] <Berg> I got a 2amp fone charger that struggles
[19:29] <ThinkingofPython> While ARM does not.
[19:29] <ThinkingofPython> Berg, I give mine 1A and it works fine at 1.1ghz
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[19:30] <MY123> ThinkingofPython, the RPi2 can run Windows
[19:30] <MY123> (even desktop)
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[19:30] <ThinkingofPython> I'm not talking Windows 98 ;)
[19:30] <Berg> what sort of keyboard and mouse you running ThinkingofPython ?
[19:30] <Froolap> at least that's what the rumors say
[19:30] <ThinkingofPython> Berg, I'm using it with a Lapdock
[19:30] <MY123> ThinkingofPython, Windows XP actually
[19:30] <MY123> and ReactOS
[19:31] <MY123> ThinkingofPython, http://postimg.org/image/ixioj0t41/ :P
[19:31] <MY123> for ROS
[19:31] <ThinkingofPython> D: Win XP is EoL
[19:31] <ThinkingofPython> ReactOS is fun however
[19:31] <Berg> interesting
[19:31] <ThinkingofPython> I'll give it a whirl at somepoint
[19:31] <xxValiumxx> Froolap I remember having to drop a 487 math coprocessor into my board because I had the crippled 486 without the built in FPU
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[19:31] <ThinkingofPython> Yeah, Berg I don't think the Lapdock gives much over 1A and I even have the power line split between Pi2 and the data line to USB
[19:31] <day> they are already stopping to sell w7 enterprise
[19:31] <Froolap> yup
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[19:32] <MY123> ThinkingofPython, Use the Dietmar Qemu
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[19:32] <ThinkingofPython> me no want Qemu
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[19:32] <ThinkingofPython> Too meta for me.
[19:32] <ThinkingofPython> lol
[19:32] <Berg> I have a standard keyboard and mouse bother usb driven and a wifi i get the low power spot on the top right
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[19:33] <ThinkingofPython> of the screen, or of the pi, berg?
[19:33] <MY123> ThinkingofPython, I think that you can run Windows 8 on a Pi using Qemu
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[19:33] <Berg> for the PI
[19:33] <ThinkingofPython> But why do we need to emu it?
[19:33] <ThinkingofPython> What color is the light?
[19:33] <MY123> ThinkingofPython, x86 vs ARM translation
[19:33] <ThinkingofPython> I'll boot mine later and see if I get that light, but I dont think I do
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[19:33] <day> afair rpi2 will only run w10 iot or something like that
[19:33] <spigot> I found a pdf of the schematics for this Osepp 16x2 + keypad shield, which hilariously has me following lines to find all the original 16 pins from the LCD, so I'm pretty sure I've found 5V, GND, RW E and the 4 data pins... the power read out just doesn't seem right. .07A idling for the pi, and .09 when I attach the backlit sheild? it's only drawing 20mA?
[19:34] <MY123> day,that is using an x86 to ARM dynamic translator
[19:34] <spigot> maybe this little inline USB power meter is no bueno
[19:34] <MY123> day, it's different
[19:34] <Berg> on the screen ThinkingofPython it has a coloured box like a rainbow top right
[19:34] <ThinkingofPython> ah I dont have that
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[19:35] <ThinkingofPython> Im even running XFCE4 on mine which is a little bit of a resource hog
[19:35] <MY123> Berg, this means that your PSU or power cable is crap
[19:35] <ThinkingofPython> core clocked at 500mhz, arm clocked at 1100mhz, all powered by the Lapdock (lapdock splits into 2 Micro HDMI male cables. 1 for power, 1 for data + power)
[19:35] <ThinkingofPython> so even with it split, its fine.
[19:35] <Berg> its a white one MY123
[19:36] <Berg> :)
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[19:36] <ThinkingofPython> Im even running a wifi dongle on it
[19:36] <MY123> ThinkingofPython, I got up to 2GHz with the Pi1
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[19:36] <ThinkingofPython> So it must be your ac adapter
[19:36] <MY123> (2V Vcore :P )
[19:36] <ThinkingofPython> Yeah, I'll clock this beast to 1.5ghz soon
[19:36] <Berg> yeah ok thanks guys
[19:37] <MY123> of course with a voltimod
[19:37] <ThinkingofPython> Just want to heat up the die first.
[19:37] <Berg> ill see about a better one
[19:37] <ThinkingofPython> Gotta warm that silicon.
[19:37] <MY123> ThinkingofPython, is there a voltimod for the 2B?
[19:37] <ThinkingofPython> No idea.
[19:37] <steve_rox> your clocking a rpi at 2ghz?
[19:37] <ThinkingofPython> But I know you can set over_voltage in boot/config.txt
[19:37] <MY123> ThinkingofPython, the crashes at light bug is because of the VCore regulator
[19:37] <MY123> steve_rox, yes
[19:38] <Berg> I will soon be powering from a 12v battery bank with a USB adapter that runs on 12vdc drop down the 5vdc and 2 amp
[19:38] <steve_rox> wow :-)
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[19:38] <ThinkingofPython> MY123 what? Lol
[19:38] <ThinkingofPython> Yours crashes?
[19:38] <MY123> steve_rox, the 2V Vcore may make it unstable in the future
[19:38] <steve_rox> 12v battery bank? like lead acid?
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[19:38] <MY123> ThinkingofPython, I'm talking about the 2B crash bug
[19:38] <ThinkingofPython> ah
[19:38] <Berg> yes steve_rox
[19:39] <steve_rox> i stopped using lead acid ages ago for rpi
[19:39] <steve_rox> and nimh AA cells
[19:39] <ThinkingofPython> I know I can clock this to 1.5ghz easily, just dont want to push my power supply as its from the lapdock
[19:39] <MY123> ThinkingofPython, get the VCore as high as possible
[19:39] <ThinkingofPython> Berg, dont go lead acid.
[19:39] <ThinkingofPython> Serious.
[19:39] * ozzzy only uses led acid
[19:39] <Berg> http://gallery.anotherpower.com/main.php/v/bergs+place/?g2_GALLERYSID=ffc6d9d551841a13af20bff3f94f1345
[19:39] <ozzzy> but then I draw lots of amps from them
[19:39] <Berg> battery bank
[19:39] <Berg> house power
[19:40] <ThinkingofPython> Heavy, gets hot, has a very bad discharge, if left uncharged for a while it'll die permanantly, etc
[19:40] <Berg> wind turbines solar and insane sceientist power
[19:40] <MY123> ThinkingofPython, I used heatsinkless, you should be able to get higher
[19:40] <MY123> than 2GHz
[19:40] <Berg> ThinkingofPython: they dont get moved
[19:40] <ThinkingofPython> I would never use lead acid for the Pi xD
[19:40] <Berg> its now 500amp hour battery bank
[19:41] <steve_rox> im still useing litium ion when portable
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[19:41] <steve_rox> lithium
[19:41] <ThinkingofPython> Reminds me, I need to setup my bugout bag again soon
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[19:41] <Berg> its not for portable
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[19:42] <steve_rox> gonna play with pc psu again later i think
[19:42] <ThinkingofPython> My Pi2 and Intel Stick will definitely go in with, with a solar charger, battery, small 5" touchscreen, and the typical things you find (clothes, water, rations, water filter straw, meds, etc etc)
[19:42] <steve_rox> i was working on hotwireing to bypass its safty cutouts
[19:42] <ThinkingofPython> Also doubles as my hiking emergency equip
[19:43] <Berg> sounds like a planned event ThinkingofPython
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[19:43] <ThinkingofPython> Eh, I go hiking a lot, and my girlfriend works in security (not your typical mall cop stuff lol)
[19:43] <Berg> but i dont have to move at all so a huge battery bank that runs everything in the hopuse3 is magic ThinkingofPython
[19:43] <ThinkingofPython> So it's nice to have on hand
[19:44] <ThinkingofPython> Nice Berg
[19:44] <ThinkingofPython> Yeah I saw your setup, reminded me of my days over at the Benheck forums
[19:44] <Berg> like i said i wona use the pi to control the house power
[19:44] <steve_rox> 240v relays?
[19:44] <Berg> yes
[19:44] <steve_rox> i was speculateing on it myself
[19:45] <ThinkingofPython> I still need to make a little solar panel array connected to an outlet to power my modem, and router when the local power goes out.
[19:45] <steve_rox> but these relays can only support so much amps
[19:45] <Berg> https://sourceforge.net/projects/raspberrypirelaycontroller/
[19:45] <ThinkingofPython> Phone line gets 3V(?) regardless of power situation due to how its setup
[19:45] <steve_rox> i was setting off fireworks with my relay board ;-)
[19:45] <ThinkingofPython> I remember when about 2 years ago, NA got a huge ice storm. Had to wireup some lamps to the telephone jacks in my house.
[19:46] <Berg> well if you wona run a larger relay run it off the 8 channel relay seperate
[19:46] <ThinkingofPython> Was the only house in town with lights on.
[19:46] <ThinkingofPython> Gotta love that 3V ground line
[19:46] <Berg> im the only house in town at times with lights
[19:46] <steve_rox> im sure bagging power from a phone line kinda voilates some kinda law
[19:46] <ThinkingofPython> Not in Canada.
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[19:46] <ThinkingofPython> And I doubt it does.
[19:46] <Berg> hehehe
[19:46] <ThinkingofPython> You pay for the power, you pay for the line, you pay for the right to use it.
[19:47] <steve_rox> plus im sure if you short it and blow something in the exchange they may not be happy
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[19:47] <ThinkingofPython> Plus in an emergency situation, drastic measures are alright to take.
[19:47] <steve_rox> i could say that could be used to justify bank robbery
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[19:47] <steve_rox> "i needed da cash it was emergancy"
[19:47] <steve_rox> :-D
[19:47] <ThinkingofPython> Then you'd be taking it out of context ;)
[19:47] <Berg> versatility is the abbility ofg man to survive PHONE power rules
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[19:48] <ThinkingofPython> I remember feeling silly, totally forgot to run power to my modem
[19:48] <steve_rox> the law dont care about that
[19:48] <ThinkingofPython> I was like "Dammit, I could be online on reddit during this 5 day blackout"
[19:48] <steve_rox> they take whatever they can and hit you over the head with it
[19:48] <ThinkingofPython> steve_rox, Again, not in Canada. lol
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[19:48] <ThinkingofPython> Plus, I lived in a small town. The local cops are great
[19:48] <steve_rox> blame canada
[19:48] <Berg> australia would love you for thinking of it
[19:48] <day> lol rpi has no support for 1-wire? :D
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[19:49] <day> good thing im lord master bit bang
[19:49] <steve_rox> whats a bit bang
[19:49] <day> im a bit bang
[19:49] <steve_rox> is that some kinda mettaphor for watcher of adult material?
[19:49] <ThinkingofPython> When the power goes out, cell towers, connection to phone company (via the phone line) stays. (Usually), so having a solar array connected to a battery that is powerful enough to run a modem/router is vital
[19:49] <Berg> what nation you in day?
[19:50] <day> probably the same as you ;D
[19:50] <Berg> the power dont go out here that often
[19:50] <steve_rox> ill take that as a yes ;-)
[19:50] <Berg> \sorry day Im in australia
[19:50] <day> oh
[19:50] <day> but you are german>?
[19:50] <steve_rox> off on a quest for food
[19:50] <Berg> hehehe
[19:51] <Berg> no
[19:51] <day> but you speak german
[19:51] <Berg> no
[19:51] <day> :<
[19:51] <day> do you know what your name means?
[19:51] <Berg> I speak dingo
[19:51] <Berg> yes
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[19:51] <Berg> a rose by any other name would smell as sweet
[19:52] <Froolap> berg is cool.
[19:52] <ThinkingofPython> I'm in China
[19:52] <Berg> anyway I have over 1/2 ton of batteries so im not portable
[19:52] <Berg> hehewh
[19:53] <ThinkingofPython> Berg, I may ask you about solar stuff sometime
[19:53] <Berg> sure
[19:53] <ThinkingofPython> Should set one up here, it's reallllyyyyyy sunny in the place I am
[19:53] <ThinkingofPython> And always +30c weather
[19:53] <ThinkingofPython> no clouds at all
[19:53] <Berg> are you rich?
[19:53] <ThinkingofPython> Electricity is cheap but might as well get more.
[19:53] <ThinkingofPython> Solar panels are cheap in China.
[19:53] <Berg> and if you bug out often you only need smal.l
[19:53] <Froolap> the sun shines and these funny boxes you can't put anything in become happy in the sunshine and make electricity.
[19:53] <ThinkingofPython> Yeah, I'll be making something portable
[19:54] <ThinkingofPython> and something non
[19:54] <Berg> they have them roll up solar panels now cost a bit but light and lots power
[19:55] <ThinkingofPython> hmm, I'll look into them
[19:55] <Berg> ill seer if i can find some
[19:55] <ThinkingofPython> Solar Panel in Chinese is: 太阳能电池板
[19:55] <Froolap> berg look into boats and how they do power for sail boats.
[19:56] <Berg> heheh
[19:56] <ThinkingofPython> For example a 12V 100W panel is $60 here
[19:56] <Froolap> They got some real cool stuff, from solar arrays to little wind mills.
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[19:56] <ThinkingofPython> Actually about $50.
[19:56] <Froolap> if you are into alternative energy, it might give you some ideas.
[19:57] <ThinkingofPython> A 12V 20W Dual panel with home controller, lights, cords, the works is like $40
[19:58] <Berg> http://www.recycledgoods.com/media/catalog/product/s/o/solopower-solopanel-80-watt-flexible-lightweight-23-volt-solar-panel-sp1-80-2.40.jpg
[19:58] <Froolap> I have two panels like that, mine are 15 watt though
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[19:58] <Berg> 20w is a lot if you have a battery to store it
[19:58] <Froolap> yup
[19:58] <ThinkingofPython> Ah, so 100W is overkill? heh
[19:58] <Froolap> I was thinking of running my pi off of it.
[19:58] <Berg> nar
[19:58] <ThinkingofPython> http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?id=43596337114&ali_refid=a3_420434_1006:1105846946:N:%E5%A4%AA%E9%98%B3%E8%83%BD%E7%94%B5%E6%B1%A0%E6%9D%BF:7c0064f1fb49a891d51a61f7d348d2b8&ali_trackid=1_7c0064f1fb49a891d51a61f7d348d2b8&spm=a230r.
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[19:58] <Berg> if you can carry it
[19:59] <ThinkingofPython> 12V with a 20W, battery and controller
[19:59] <ThinkingofPython> for $50
[19:59] <Berg> thats rigid
[19:59] <ThinkingofPython> They have portable ones for phones and such
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[19:59] <ThinkingofPython> http://detail.tmall.com/item.htm?id=38000679149&ali_refid=a3_420434_1006:1105649897:N:太阳能电池板:072ed64ab5d8c8c94a0c2b79714dea97&ali_trackid=1_072ed64ab5d8c8c94a0c2b79714dea97&spm=a230r.
[19:59] <Berg> if you get a pannel that rolls up small your laughing
[20:00] <Berg> you might need couple them last link ones ThinkingofPython
[20:00] <ThinkingofPython> Hmm alright
[20:00] <ThinkingofPython> they're cheap
[20:00] <ThinkingofPython> reallyyy thin too
[20:00] <ThinkingofPython> The panel is built in to the fabric
[20:01] <Berg> that should get you power if you get a battery that has good amp hours
[20:01] <Berg> yeah
[20:01] <Berg> putting batteries in parallel doubles the hours
[20:01] <ThinkingofPython> Yep
[20:02] <xxValiumxx> Berg slightly more, in most cases
[20:02] <ShorTie> old mirc is better then the new
[20:02] <Berg> yes but thats dificultr to guesstimate xxValiumxx
[20:02] <ThinkingofPython> Can daisy chain these as well
[20:03] <ThinkingofPython> Connect a USB battery to them with a splitter
[20:03] <xxValiumxx> true Berg, and also 'slight' :P
[20:03] <ThinkingofPython> charge 2 devices
[20:03] <ThinkingofPython> Has 2 charge ports on it always too
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[20:03] <ThinkingofPython> ah it comes with a battery as well
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[20:04] <Berg> its all good to say i can charge 2 devices but you need double the power you are using in your hardware as you have to have enough for dark time use
[20:04] <ThinkingofPython> Yeah ofcourse
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[20:04] <ThinkingofPython> This one looks nice because it can "string" off my backpack
[20:04] <ThinkingofPython> and charge while I hike
[20:04] <Berg> yes thats a bonus
[20:04] <ThinkingofPython> Waterproof as well
[20:05] <ThinkingofPython> It'll sit right ontop of my hydration pack
[20:05] <Berg> so you become a moble home with indepenent power
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[20:05] <ThinkingofPython> heh
[20:05] <Berg> and you have legs like tree stumps
[20:05] <Berg> anyway what you have selkected looks good to me
[20:06] <ThinkingofPython> Nice thanks
[20:06] <Berg> welcom e
[20:07] <Berg> just a note my relays have optic couplers so as not to drive a high votage back to pi
[20:07] <Berg> they come built in but they do sell cheap ones that dont have this option
[20:08] <ThinkingofPython> Thatd be a shame to have the Pi2 turn into a firework
[20:08] <IT_Sean> ^
[20:08] <Berg> the blue smoke retaining tool and storage tin are handy to replace the smoke
[20:09] <Berg> but most times that fails
[20:09] <IT_Sean> you cannot replace the magical blue smoke once released.
[20:09] <Berg> is this a legend or a fact?
[20:09] <IT_Sean> it is a fact.
[20:10] <IT_Sean> it is not possible to put the magic smoke back into a component.
[20:10] <ThinkingofPython> everything IT_Sean says is fact
[20:10] <IT_Sean> Darn right!
[20:10] <Berg> bummer so im wasting my time ona smoke collecter cvaccuum unoit?
[20:10] <IT_Sean> Yes.
[20:10] <ThinkingofPython> Well IT_Sean it may not be
[20:10] <ThinkingofPython> You see, electronic cigarettes
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[20:10] <ThinkingofPython> You can blow the "smoke" back into them
[20:10] <ThinkingofPython> ;)
[20:10] <Berg> hehehe
[20:11] <Berg> pedantic
[20:11] <ThinkingofPython> "Go back! Get out of my lungs. Let me re-use youuuuuu"
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[20:15] <dasabhi> hello any one active here?
[20:15] <dasabhi> any one got time for a question?
[20:16] <Great-Geek> dasabhi, Everyone has time! Go ahead
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[20:17] <azizLIGHT> is omxplayer still the best way to play videos?
[20:18] <Berg> time for coffee
[20:18] <pmumble> its always time for coffee!
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[20:20] <dasabhi> hello i am trying to cross compile u-boot for my raspberry pi, i just want to generate an image
[20:20] <dasabhi> i have the repo cloned and the tools required
[20:20] <dasabhi> but i keep running into an error when i type "make rpi_b_config"
[20:21] <dasabhi> it says it can't find the rpi_b_config file...hell i can't find it myself in the arch directory
[20:21] <dasabhi> how do i resolve this issue?
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[20:24] <Berg> http://raspberrypi.stackexchange.com/questions/15940/install-u-boot-error-makefile501-system-not-configured-see-readme
[20:24] <Berg> its talking about the same issue
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[20:38] <ThinkingofPython> Hmmm
[20:38] <ThinkingofPython> Instead of buying a Midi Fighter controller, I should just make one.
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[20:41] <Great-Geek> Anyone wanna give Fedora a spin? I have a shiny new script waiting for you
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[20:44] <Great-Geek> Will download, partition, throw in RPi specific stuff
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[20:46] <Berg> I need only python and a good web brouser
[20:46] <Berg> so im good thanks
[20:46] <Kryczek> what is a good web browser on the pi now?
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[21:37] <leothrix> Does anyone here have recommendations for a good filesystem for I/O perf/wear leveling on the Pi? Or do people just stick with ext4?
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[21:43] <ionte> hi! i talked to some people here yesterday about audio and pwm output yesterday.
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[21:43] <ionte> i learned that while playing audio, pwm0 (gpio18) is used. so i hooked up a pwm filter and an amplifier to that pin, but got no sound.
[21:44] <ionte> just now i hooked up an oscilloscope, and there's nothing happening while playing sound. i've connected a speaker to the headphone output, so i know there is sound.
[21:44] <ionte> any ideas?
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[21:45] <ionte> i'm testing with raspbian on raspberry pi b+ ...
[21:45] * H__ has no ideas on this
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[21:48] <Great-Geek> leothrix, Look into F2FS
[21:48] <H__> why?
[21:49] <Great-Geek> H__, F2FS ? Because it's built with wear-levelling in mind and a couple of other things as well
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[21:49] <H__> i don't recall wear levelling to be in there. interesting.
[21:50] <Great-Geek> H__, Basically, Flash-Friendly File System
[21:50] <leothrix> Great-Geek: have you used it? good experiences?
[21:50] <Great-Geek> leothrix, Haven't used it yet on RPi
[21:50] <Great-Geek> H__, Oh really? Must be an android thing then
[21:52] <H__> Great-Geek: you mean the CoW part of zfs, in case you use a snapshot
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[21:52] <Great-Geek> H__, Sorry, I got mixed up there.. F@FS is supposed to let the flash device handle wear levelling
[21:53] <Technicus> Hello
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[21:54] <IT_Sean> Greetings, earthling.
[21:54] <leothrix> Interesting benchmarks: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=linux-40-ssd&num=1 thanks for the tip, Great-Geek, cheers
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[22:16] <day> what exactly is wrong with this rpi.gpio script (running on a rpi2) http://dpaste.com/105BD5V
[22:17] <day> im measuring the voltage between gpio19 and GND. ANd im getting 0V no matter if i write output(19,True OR False)
[22:17] <Wegge> day Hard to say without an explanation from you about what you expect to happen, and what exaCTLY HAPPENS
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[22:17] <day> Wegge: :P
[22:18] <day> the module is installed via apt-get, so i assume it is the correct one
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[22:20] <pksato> day: if not have exec error, code is ok.
[22:20] <Technicus> Is there anyone here who could help me with C/C++ code for writing a function to read input from a 6x10 key matrix, and send it to the system io, so I could use it like a keyboard?
[22:21] <day> pksato: im pretty sure the code is fine, i took it from a tutorial
[22:21] <Wegge> day, Are you sure you're measuring the correct pin?
[22:21] <pksato> counted correct to pin 19?
[22:21] <Technicus> I have wired the matrix and plan to use the wiringpi library.
[22:21] <day> Wegge: yes 19 is easy to find
[22:21] <day> i tried 26 prior
[22:22] <pksato> or, lib is reseting pin on end of exec.
[22:22] <Wegge> What pksato said.
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[22:22] <Wegge> Try adding a delay after setting the pin, so you have the time to check there.
[22:23] <day> already tried an infinite loop that switches on/off @0.5hz
[22:23] <pksato> 26 not work too?
[22:23] <Wegge> Do you have a breadboard and a led_
[22:23] <day> are maybe some of the pins not accessable? i know that the beaglebone had multiple restricted pins
[22:23] <ionte> pksato: sorry, i don't remember if it was you i spoke to, that had managed to get the audio pwm signal out of gpio18?
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[22:24] <day> Wegge: ive got a voltmeter connected.
[22:24] <pksato> day: use a resistor and led.
[22:24] <day> o0
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[22:25] <Wegge> day, I just brought out my Fluke to measure the voltage on my headset charging fob. It measured 0.248V, no matter what it touched. Turned out the battery was gone, so try an independent way.
[22:26] <Wegge> It's probably just me that are p
[22:26] <pksato> day: what linux distro?
[22:26] <Wegge> aranoid on your behalf :)
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[22:26] <day> Wegge: the meter is fine. i can measure the 3.3/5V pins just fine
[22:26] <Wegge> OK
[22:26] <day> pksato: debian
[22:27] <pksato> pin 19 also is MOSI (SPI)
[22:27] <pksato> if spi module is loades, not work as generic pin.
[22:28] <day> it looked free on this schematic o0 http://www.element14.com/community/docs/DOC-73950/l/raspberry-pi-2-model-b-gpio-40-pin-block-pinout
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[22:28] <day> same here http://data.designspark.info/uploads/images/53bc258dc6c0425cb44870b50ab30621
[22:29] <pksato> pin 2 is on board corner.
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[22:31] <pksato> https://ms-iot.github.io/content/images/PinMappings/RP2_Pinout.png
[22:32] <pksato> to take doubt
[22:33] <day> christ....wrong pin numbers
[22:33] <day> i used the gpio names which apparently is wrong
[22:33] <day> even though i was using GPIO.setmode(GPIO.BOARD)
[22:33] <pksato> on this mode, just count pin number.
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[22:34] <pksato> .BCM need to check conversion table.
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[23:19] <Wegge> I'm toying with an idea of making a datalogger for my greenhouse using an Arduino, and using my Pi as datalogger. The practical problem is that I cannot make a wired connection that has a positive WAF. So I have to go wireless. Are there any particular Tranceiver modules that anyone can recommend?
[23:20] <Wegge> I'm in the EU, so legally, I can use 433/868/2400 MHz
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[23:21] <Berg> is you pi in the green house?
[23:21] <Wegge> No, it's in my home office.
[23:21] <Wegge> There will be an Arduino in the greenhouse
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[23:21] <Berg> they have wirless systems already made for arduino
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[23:22] <Berg> i cant recomend any as i never used them
[23:23] <Berg> http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_nkw=arduino%20wireless&clk_rvr_id=833762042939&mfe=search
[23:23] <Berg> lots here
[23:24] <Wegge> Yup.
[23:24] <reber> anyone using some virtualisation with rpi 2 ? since it has quad core ...
[23:24] <Wegge> arduino is 5V. The Pi is 3.3V
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[23:24] <Wegge> So Already there, I think I'll have to think outside that box.
[23:24] <Berg> the pi has 5 volt power
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[23:25] <ali1234> what is a positive WAF?
[23:25] <Wegge> Yep, but not 5V tolerance on the GPIO
[23:25] <Wegge> WAF is Wife Acceptance Factor
[23:25] <ali1234> oh, i see
[23:26] <Berg> brake a glass window problem solved
[23:26] <Wegge> In this case, a wire would have to go out the overhead window in my upstairs office, cross the roof of the annex building, and then end in the greenhouse.
[23:26] <Berg> im using relay systems with optical coupling to evate the higher poower of the relays to pi
[23:26] <ali1234> why not just get another pi and put it in the greenhouse?
[23:27] <dyce> reber: you can do something with qemu, but it will still be slow
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[23:27] <Wegge> I still need to get the data out somehow.
[23:27] <ali1234> wifi
[23:27] <reber> dyce too slow
[23:27] <Berg> yeahwifi is grate
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[23:27] <reber> i want something fast and reliable
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[23:28] <dyce> reber: i suppose you can emulate android with qemu, but i don't think ARM has any optimization for virtualization like intel vt-x
[23:29] <dyce> reber: but you should check out docker, its a container solution similar to virtualization
[23:29] <Wegge> ali1234 WiFi is flaky in the garden. Besides, I want to use this as a project to expand my knowkledge.
[23:30] <ali1234> well... 433MHz isn't going to be better
[23:30] <ali1234> and 868MHz stuff is kinda rare
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[23:31] <ali1234> nRF24 modules seem to be popular... they are 2.4GHz
[23:32] <Wegge> Reducing the risk of crosstalk with my neighbours baby monitor :)
[23:33] <Wegge> Is there a correlation between working range and frequency?
[23:33] <reber> something like openvz
[23:33] <reber> or linux virtual server ?
[23:34] <ali1234> Wegge: dunno. relatively very low frequencies like HF can be picked up around the world
[23:34] <ali1234> but the power is also very important as well
[23:34] <Berg> breakfast
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[23:36] <ali1234> i have some 433MHz modules and they have a range of about 5 metres
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[23:42] <Wegge> With PCB antenna or external?
[23:42] <ali1234> PCB antenna
[23:42] <Wegge> OK
[23:44] <Wegge> Then I'll have to go with an external antenna. My distance is more like 25m, and to make matters worse, the roof is covered with PV elements.
[23:45] <Wegge> So I'll have to mount an antenna in the window, if I want to have a useable signal.
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[23:45] <ali1234> i would still just put a pi in the greenhouse
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[23:48] <Berg> it would seem logical to use a pi there
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[23:50] <ali1234> combining a pi and an arduino just seems like overkill to me
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[23:52] <ali1234> it's like attaching a sidecar to your car
[23:52] <Berg> is a trailer counted?
[23:53] <ali1234> no because those don't carry people
[23:53] <Berg> some of the arduino stuff is very nice
[23:53] <ali1234> which stuff is that?
[23:53] <Berg> the hydromider
[23:53] <ali1234> wat
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[23:54] <Berg> the humidity sencor
[23:54] <Berg> a few other things
[23:54] <Berg> do they as raspberry pi scensors?
[23:54] <Berg> i never see any just arduino compatable for pi
[23:55] <ali1234> anything that works on an arduino can work with a pi with just a tiny amunt of glue logic
[23:55] <Berg> so like i said some arduino stuff is very nice
[23:56] <ali1234> pretty much the only thing the arduino has going for it is that you are programming the bare metal
[23:56] <ali1234> and you need to dump the arduino libraries to get anything useful from that anyway
[23:56] <ali1234> at which point it is just an over priced AVR board
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[23:56] <Wegge> It might just be a work-related mental injury. But I'm actually looking at the cross-platform communication as a fun part in itself.
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[23:57] <Berg> hence i buy a raspberry py with a OS
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[23:57] <ali1234> what cross platform communication?
[23:57] <ali1234> you'll just be read/writing serial
[23:57] <ali1234> or possibly spi
[23:57] <Wegge> In my day job I program control systems for sortinng machines, and that involves a lot of distrubuted low-range nodes.
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[23:58] <Berg> learning all the time
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[23:59] <ali1234> everyone wants to do it wrong :/
[23:59] <Berg> how is the arduino going to talk to the pi?
[23:59] <ali1234> at least promise you wont use threads
[23:59] <Wegge> IoT seem to be the next big thing, so getting some practical experience with mesh communications seems to be a sensible project.
[23:59] <Berg> hehehe

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