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IRC Log for 2015-05-21

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[0:00] <ali1234> IoT really has nothing to do with mesh networks
[0:00] <ali1234> it's also a huge huge gikkick
[0:00] <ali1234> *gimmick
[0:00] <ali1234> all IoT stuff up until now is either bluetooth or wifi
[0:00] <Froolap> if everyone wants to do IT wrong, then IT is the thing that is wrong and it must be altered to make the people right. stupid wins
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[0:01] <colonia27> wouldnt call it a gimmick. Ask your government what they think of the Internet Of Tracking ;-)
[0:01] <ali1234> IoT pretty much means the opposite of what you're tryin to do
[0:01] <Froolap> don't tell me I'm wrong, alter the world to fit my perspectives and I'll be much happier.
[0:01] <ali1234> you want to have the pi acting as a gateway onto the sensor net
[0:02] <ali1234> IoT says don't do this: connect every sensor to the main network instead
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[0:02] <Wegge> I know what people are doing now, and I also have the experience to tell why that strategy has some scalability issues.
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[0:03] <Wegge> When all of your electrical outlets, all of yopur appliances, all of your phnoes, tablets, computers, TVs and the mailbox want to use the same WLAN, things will go downhill pretty fast.
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[0:04] <ali1234> well yes, that's why it is a gimmick
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[0:04] <ali1234> the IoT way would be to attach each sensor to something like this: https://www.artik.io/hardware/artik-1
[0:05] <Wegge> And that's why a mesh network will end up as the practical IoT backbone, with a few key rpouters.
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[0:05] <reber> docker is rather different than a virtual machine
[0:05] <ali1234> nope, a mesh network has no advantage. you have all the interference problems, but now you also have routing problems too
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[0:06] <ali1234> in fact the correct solution is power line networking for the sockets and applicances
[0:06] <Wegge> Both can be solved pretty easy
[0:06] <ali1234> wifi for mobiles
[0:06] <ali1234> and ethernet for fixed computers
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[0:06] <ali1234> and BLE for battery powered sensors
[0:06] <Wegge> A friend of mine works with mesh communications for electrical meters.
[0:07] <Wegge> It's pretty easy to make a map of routes, even on systems with 16 bytes of usable RAM.
[0:07] <ali1234> mesh networking for power meters?
[0:07] <Wegge> Yep.
[0:07] <ali1234> the power grid is a classic star topology
[0:08] <ali1234> why does everyone want to do everything wrong??
[0:10] <Wegge> In this case, probably because it's cheaper to go the wireless route, than have the communication over the power lines.
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[0:10] <Wegge> I've never asked that why.
[0:10] <ali1234> yeah, usually they just drive a truck through the neighbourhood and it downloads all the meter readings
[0:11] <Wegge> This is online daily readings.
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[0:11] <Wegge> To the extreme that if the main switch (that in sweden is in front of the meter) is turned off, someone has to go to the address and document that the device is out of touch because of that.
[0:12] <ali1234> for that you'd be mad to do anything other than powerline networking to the substation followed by uploading the data over ADSL to the central server
[0:12] <Wegge> Interference again?
[0:13] <Wegge> Privacy concerns?
[0:13] <ali1234> interference is the least of your problems
[0:13] <Wegge> This particular problem isn't mine. So I'm just guessing at the whys.
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[0:14] <ali1234> "we could send the data securely over the wire that we already have going to every customers premises"
[0:14] <ali1234> "OR we could put a radio in every meter and have them somehow self-assemble in to a country wwide mesh network"
[0:15] <ali1234> "mesh network sounds cool let's do that" - said no one ever
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[0:16] <Froolap> well if it's mesh then that ought to make it easy to blend in.
[0:16] <[Saint]> I can't even remember the last time I ever saw a meter reader.
[0:16] <Wegge> It appears that Digi have found a buisness case: http://www.digi.com/lp/xbee/
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[0:19] <ali1234> i just can't wait until kids start trolling people by turning their lights on and off and ringing their doorbell over the internet
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[0:19] <ali1234> it's going to be hilarious
[0:21] <ali1234> http://na2.www.gartner.com/imagesrv/newsroom/images/HC_ET_2014.jpg
[0:22] <ali1234> i think they got it wrong putting IoT at the top of the peak a year ago
[0:22] <Encapsulation> http://dino.ciuffetti.info/2014/03/tsl2561-light-sensor-on-raspberry-pi-in-c/ what could cause this sensor to actually read higher when al oight turns off
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[0:23] <ali1234> Encapsulation: show circuit diagram/datasheet?
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[0:23] <Encapsulation> its just i2c
[0:23] <Encapsulation> pwr gnd sda scl
[0:24] <Encapsulation> https://learn.adafruit.com/tsl2561/wiring
[0:24] <Wegge> IoT will probably peak in a year or two, when it's been used as a lever for getting IPv6 rolled out to the end user.
[0:24] <Berg> :)
[0:25] <ali1234> it will peak in about 3 months, then it's down to the trough of disillusionment
[0:25] <ali1234> basically as soon as consumers start buying IoT enabled things is the point where it goes rapidly down hill
[0:27] <Wegge> My inner cynic hopes that it will trend until the requirement for public routable IP-adresses have forced IPv6
[0:28] <doomlord> are rPI's a good choice for a doom-stash (computers to survive decline of industrial civilization). i'm thinking reliability, lifetime
[0:29] <ali1234> no
[0:29] <ali1234> they are not repairable enough
[0:29] <ali1234> i suppose you could just stash like 100 of them
[0:29] <Wegge> doomlord, With a sufficient large supply of SD-cards, you would probably be able to keep a Pi running longer than most other options.
[0:30] <ali1234> until the micro usb connector breaks :)
[0:30] <ali1234> or the microsd card dies
[0:30] <pksato> buy a eniac. :)
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[0:31] <ali1234> what are you going to do with a computer in the post-apocalypse anyway?
[0:31] <ali1234> you'll be too busy trying to grow enough food to survive
[0:31] <Wegge> BTRFS and a daily backup to a u-SD card in an external USB device.
[0:31] <ali1234> and defending against marauders
[0:31] <Berg> play tetrus?
[0:31] <pksato> and lean how work with glass.
[0:32] <Berg> you would nered the world wide web to find info
[0:32] <Berg> thats gone
[0:33] <Froolap> hs anyone even tested the pi or sd card survival rate to emp exposure?
[0:33] <ali1234> print out wikipedia on vellum
[0:33] <Wegge> What kind of EMP?
[0:33] <Froolap> nuclear
[0:33] <Berg> make shoes out of old data
[0:34] <Froolap> if it's the day after, then we need to know.
[0:34] <ali1234> EMP is overrated
[0:34] <ali1234> solar flares too
[0:34] <pksato> ligh flash. :)
[0:35] <Berg> im gona run my pi on a cockroach wheel generater
[0:35] <Froolap> yeah but solar flairs drive the northern lights which is pretty, so I like them.
[0:35] <ali1234> pksato: exactly. it makes it crash if it is running, but does no actual damage
[0:35] <ali1234> "oh no what if a solar flares destroys ALL COMPUTERS" - no, someone just has to go and reboot them
[0:36] <Wegge> Nuclear EMP is a bit different.
[0:36] <bhez> it wouldn't corrupt flash and hard drive memory?
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[0:36] <Froolap> I thought it whould shake the data off of eprom
[0:37] <Wegge> It could induce enough energy to permanently damge circuits.
[0:37] <ali1234> Wegge: at what distance though?
[0:37] <ali1234> if you are that close you probably have more pressing concerns
[0:38] <Wegge> Probably
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[0:38] <Froolap> I can't find the ignition switch on my rollersaktes
[0:39] <Wegge> But I've never sat down and calculated the range vs. yield damage
[0:39] <ali1234> induced current depends on field strength and length of the wire
[0:40] <ali1234> that's why you get sparks from telegraph wires.... they are really really long
[0:40] <ali1234> computer on the other hand are quite small and getting smaller
[0:40] <Berg> if you work it right you can have coils that collect the mnagnetic fly back and desulfate all your house batteries
[0:40] <Berg> <-----has all the best plans
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[0:41] <Wegge> And if the wires feeding your hous happens to be optimal destructive oriented, your house will burn down when your meter turns into plasma :)
[0:42] <Berg> hay i dint say i had it all worked out yet
[0:42] <Berg> its a work in progress
[0:42] <Wegge> Fsck! It's becoming late night, and I cannot spell :(
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[0:43] <Berg> its now 7.40am
[0:43] <Wegge> 00:43 here
[0:43] <Berg> oops 8.40
[0:43] <Wegge> NZ?
[0:43] <Berg> yes and you just got out of yesterday
[0:43] <ali1234> it just bugs me when people read about the solar storm of 1859 and sparks flying from telegraph wires and think that their mobile phone would explode
[0:44] <Berg> well i dont have a mobile fone
[0:44] <ali1234> and especially when "journalists" spread this type of FUD
[0:44] <Berg> so im not to blame
[0:44] <ali1234> sure it would cause problems, but nothing we couldn't fix
[0:44] <Berg> if you look at the media as a total unit it is self interest that makes the news and they make it
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[0:45] <Wegge> "Vaccines causes autism!!!" selss more newspapers than "Innocent physical phenomen"
[0:45] <bhez> might burn out some power substations? power transmission lines are very long.
[0:45] <ali1234> bhez: indeed, that's why they have fuses :)
[0:45] <Berg> in real life does it matter if fred walked on the grass ,,, no but get the media involved and its an enviromental disaster
[0:45] <bhez> the good ones do anyway.
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[0:46] <bhez> lots of electronics in my parents house fried a few weeks ago when lightning struck the power line and turns out the transformer on the pole had no circuit breakers.
[0:47] <ali1234> happened to me... except it came thru the phone line
[0:47] <bhez> that happened too
[0:47] <ali1234> blew up my modem and the serial port on my PC... this was 20 years ago
[0:47] <Berg> phones are bad for your health
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[0:47] <bhez> phone company fixed that. air conditioner fried. circuit breakers got blown apart.
[0:47] <bhez> the meter survived somehow.
[0:48] <bhez> digital meter.
[0:48] <Berg> so did they charge you for the trillion killawatts you got?
[0:48] <bhez> lol
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[1:08] <Berg> garr everyone wants to use PHP in there pi web controllers
[1:09] <Berg> how can i steal there code if its like that
[1:09] <ali1234> web controllers?
[1:09] <Wegge> Quoting ali1234: Everyone insists on doing the wrong thing.
[1:10] <ali1234> i know right...
[1:10] <ali1234> lthough web controllers sounds like something where you wouldn't be able to see the source code no matter what language was used
[1:10] <Berg> web pageses use to control
[1:11] <Berg> well if thats the case php is no good
[1:11] <Berg> heheh
[1:11] <Berg> I actualy use a python web server
[1:11] <Berg> bottle.py
[1:11] <ali1234> sure, but you can't see the python source code from the web side...
[1:11] <Berg> no
[1:12] <Berg> but you can see it in sourceforge
[1:12] <ali1234> oh... so the problem is just that you can't use the php code in your python software?
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[1:12] <Wegge> Do bottle relate to flask somehow?
[1:12] <Berg> flask as in drinking item?
[1:13] <ali1234> http://flask.pocoo.org/
[1:13] <Wegge> Flask as in wsgi framework
[1:13] <Berg> http://bottlepy.org/docs/dev/index.html
[1:13] <ali1234> looks like a case of "heavily inspired by"
[1:13] <Berg> it looks very complex but its not
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[1:14] <Berg> you dont even have to install any libs just put the bottle.py file in your server folder and yopur done
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[1:15] <Berg> import bottle
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[1:16] <Wegge> Sounds simpler than pyramid
[1:16] <Berg> if i can use it, it is simple
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[1:18] <Wegge> I think you mean "Has a good abstraction level", rather than "simple"
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[1:18] <Berg> i know what i mean
[1:19] <Berg> <---un-educated heathen from the land down under
[1:20] <Wegge> With my non-native grasp of english, it looks like you are mocking yourself.
[1:20] <Berg> https://sourceforge.net/projects/raspberrypirelaycontroller/
[1:20] <Berg> if it is mocking its all in good taste
[1:20] <Wegge> I assume that isn't so. So what do I miss?
[1:21] <Berg> nothing
[1:21] <Berg> its all good
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[1:22] <Berg> fact is im trying to keep it simple using html but i had to goto html5 to get the web page functions i needed
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[1:22] <Berg> and i see php sites that look pretty but i cant use them
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[1:24] <Wegge> Youcan always copy the code and javascript.
[1:24] <Wegge> And then implement the server+side code in a sane way.
[1:24] <Berg> im not sure if i dislike anything more then java
[1:25] <Wegge> PL/M?
[1:25] <Berg> no idea what that means
[1:25] <Wegge> Be happy
[1:25] <Berg> i am
[1:26] <Wegge> It's Pascal-ese for embedded systems
[1:26] <Berg> arr
[1:26] <Froolap> Poor Dear Little Me.
[1:26] <Berg> I find it hard to use anything other then what i have as i learned python after i had a stroke back in 2000
[1:26] <Berg> its a mental block
[1:27] <Berg> :)
[1:27] <Berg> short explane there
[1:28] <Berg> so what sencors you got in the green house Wegge
[1:28] <Wegge> I can see why you are happy. Not all are able to talk about a fifteen year old stroke in a coherent fashion :)
[1:28] <Wegge> The greenhouse is still in the planning stage.
[1:28] <Berg> it took a long time to excerisae the cells to compensate
[1:29] <Berg> for 8 years i could not walk un assisted
[1:29] <Berg> ok now though
[1:29] <Wegge> But I'm leaning towards internal and external temperatur and humidty and soil humidity.
[1:29] <Berg> they have them wirless weather stations
[1:30] <Berg> how do they work
[1:30] <Berg> add your mkodules to it?
[1:30] <Berg> modules
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[1:30] <Berg> put it inside your green house
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[1:31] <Wegge> I could do that, but that would defeat the purpose.
[1:31] <Berg> why
[1:31] <Berg> look at how they do it and make your own
[1:32] <Wegge> OK, that would make sense
[1:32] <Berg> i do understand your ideas
[1:32] <Wegge> But there are umpteen Arduino-greenhous projects already.
[1:33] <Wegge> So I'm more focused on the wireless link
[1:33] <Berg> yeah so you make umteen and one
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[1:33] <Berg> in the course you find better ways
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[1:34] <Berg> you should see my wind turbine its not spose to work so well but it does
[1:34] <Berg> i made a bettery desulfator out of relay and old motor coil
[1:34] <Berg> that works fine too
[1:34] <Berg> look at it and improve it
[1:34] <Froolap> I wanna go home.
[1:34] <Berg> drop a nuke on it
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[1:36] <Wegge> Move it to the nearest pole, and connect it to a suitably large coil, and the wait for aurora borealis?
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[1:36] <Wegge> *then*
[1:36] <Wegge> I really need to find my bed soon
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[1:44] <Berg> heh
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[2:01] <Wegge> Night all!
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[2:02] <Berg> sleep goot
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[2:05] <Froolap> yawn
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[2:50] <azv3> how well does jackd run on a Pi2?
[2:50] <azv3> headless
[2:51] <azv3> Raspbian
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[3:17] <DJRWolf> would this be enough to power six Raspberry Pi 2's that are OC'ed to 1.2Ghz doing heavy crunching work?
[3:17] <DJRWolf> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=0S8-0045-00032
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[3:36] <_X_C_V_B_> any recommendations for a webcam with an microphone for the RPI
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[4:16] <DJRWolf> wow, an hour and nothing
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[4:23] <_X_C_V_B_> DJRWolf: I seen channels more active and with less people than this one
[4:24] <Berg> its not dead i read you input
[4:24] <Berg> i just have no reply
[4:24] <[Saint]> You'd be more pissed off if you asked a question and 200 people told you they didn;t know or didn't care.
[4:24] <[Saint]> ...learn how IRC works.
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[4:25] <[Saint]> You'll get an answer if or when someone feels like it, some time between now and never.
[4:26] <[Saint]> If you're not satisfied, you're entitled to a full refund. :)
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[4:35] <Froolap> DJRWolf: no, you have 3 ports at 2.4A and 3 ports at 1A
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[4:36] <[Saint]> though, the 1A should be fine if there's no other peripherals.
[4:36] <[Saint]> (which sounds like it is the case)
[4:37] <Froolap> I don't know how much juice the pi needs when oc, but it's recommended to have a 2a supply
[4:38] <[Saint]> the recommendation includes peripherals to my knowledge, and OC shouldn't change anything unless you go playing with the voltage tables.
[4:38] <Froolap> be nice if that charger supplied 6 cords as well. :)
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[4:40] <Froolap> _X_C_V_B_: does the camera have to connect directly to the pi?
[4:40] <_X_C_V_B_> Froolap: I found one
[4:41] <Froolap> what did you find?
[4:41] <[Saint]> 'one'
[4:41] <[Saint]> ...duh.
[4:41] <Froolap> ah
[4:41] <Froolap> how silly of me
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[4:42] <Berg> well you will see soon
[4:42] <Berg> one is better then nun
[4:42] <Froolap> I doubt it, I'm going blind
[4:42] <Berg> so 2 in the hand is better then nu8n inb the buish?
[4:43] <Froolap> depend on what she looks like.
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[4:43] <Berg> you would not care your blind
[4:43] <Berg> hehehe
[4:44] <Froolap> that's the bonus point, I get to feel what she looks like.
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[4:45] <Berg> ok way off topic
[4:45] <Berg> :)
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[4:52] <DJRWolf> my plan is to have headless pi's that only have power and wired network to use as a cluster for BOINC crunching
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[5:03] <Encapsulation> https://ideone.com/d4AsLl where did I go wrong?
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[5:06] <Froolap> I dunno, it's gibberish to me.
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[5:11] <NedScott> when you turned down that job offer 5 years ago because you thought you were in love with Stacy?
[5:14] <Encapsulation> noooo
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[6:29] <niston> hey Encapsulation
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[6:37] <ThUnD3r|Gr33n> good morning all
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[6:41] <Berg> hi
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[6:42] <pmumble> morning
[6:46] <ThUnD3r|Gr33n> all.right guys?
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[6:51] <Berg> good
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[8:13] <tawr> hi guys
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[8:30] <bonip> I've just installed openelec, and my resolution seems to be slightly off... It's set to 'Desktop' which is 1920x1080, but the GUI is cut off slightly at the edges, is there a way to adjust it?
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[8:44] <bonip> ah nevermind, i fixed the issue i had, it was just a setting on the tv
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[11:04] <jzaw> morny
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[11:05] <jzaw> looking to get an RPi2b and hifiberry digi+ for use with openelec/kodi ... the digi+ for optical spdif 5.1 to my digital amp
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[11:05] <jzaw> does anyone have a different / better solution than the digi+ ?
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[11:05] <jzaw> just eliminating any potential other choices i might have missed
[11:06] <jzaw> the addon needs to do dd/dts passthrough
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[12:22] <niston> https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=45&t=75225
[12:24] <niston> 10 EUR for an assembled board
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[12:29] <ThinkingofPython> Anyone have a Intel Compute Stick?
[12:33] <ThinkingofPython> If so, how's it for runnings SNES, N64, PS1 emu's?
[12:33] <ThinkingofPython> and roms obviously
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[12:47] <niston> software engineering is like mechanical engineering, except for that in software engineering, you have to design your "machine" for an environment where physical constants are all but constant and may change inadvertently any time during operation. hence why it is infinitesimaly hard to produce fault-free software.
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[12:49] <doomlord> anyone looked into rPI's from a sustainability perspective e.g. what area of solar panels to run an rPI+monitor
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[12:50] <doomlord> seems like the monitor is the biggest user, 20watts, rpi < 5watts ?
[12:50] <doomlord> so lets say 30 watts for a system, you can run that using <1m^2 of solar panels?
[12:51] <niston> depends
[12:51] <niston> how much insolation you get per m^2 per year?
[12:52] <doomlord> ok so this is still dependant on the ablity to move electricity from an ideal place for the panel , to where you use the rPI
[12:52] <niston> so to speak, yes
[12:52] <doomlord> another crude usecase I'm thinking of is post-apocalyptic pedal generator . That would need batteries to buffer
[12:52] <niston> also, even an ideal place will have dark periods
[12:52] <niston> at least if the ideal place is located on earth
[12:53] <doomlord> batteries are inefficient, right? food -> pedal generator -> battery -> discharge .. thats' going to be inefficient i guess
[12:53] <doomlord> much better to use the land-area to generate electricity directly i would guess (solar, wind, even biofuel)
[12:54] <niston> still need batteries
[12:54] <doomlord> maybe there's an option like a flyweel
[12:54] <niston> that's been done
[12:54] <doomlord> pedal up your flywheel , store momentum, draw it down
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[12:54] <niston> you know
[12:54] <niston> the chernobyl power plant
[12:55] <niston> when it exploded, they were testing the turbines ability to act as a flywheel
[12:55] <niston> and store energy in the event external power to the plant is lost
[12:56] <niston> (which wasnt the only reason it went belly-up though)
[12:56] <doomlord> 30 watts doesn't seem like much, i'm thinking i needn't have much eco-guilt for planning on running an rPI to amuse myself
[12:57] <niston> you could further optimize by using a smaller display
[12:57] <niston> or a different technology than, say LCD
[12:57] <niston> ie eInk paper
[12:57] <ThinkingofPython> No Intel Compute Stick users here?
[12:57] <doomlord> yes i was interested in e-ink but these 'monitors' are expensive
[12:57] <niston> doomlord, they're also slow
[12:58] <doomlord> i wonder if there will be demand for ultra low power e-ink monitors as we go further past peak oil
[12:58] <niston> some argue that peak oil is a conspiracy theory...
[12:58] <doomlord> a slow e-ink monitor beside a small fast monitor could be interesting
[12:58] <doomlord> i beleive in peak oil
[12:58] <niston> its got nothing to do with religion, though
[12:58] <niston> but anyways
[12:58] <doomlord> its' a finite resource, we dig it up, burn it, its' gone.
[12:59] <doomlord> oil wont run out, but the net energy will decay (it probably already is)
[12:59] <doomlord> eg 50 years from now, we could be looking at civilization with half or 10% the energy available compared to today
[13:00] <doomlord> So i'm interested , amongst other things, in low power computing
[13:00] <doomlord> of course in that scenario computing would be the least of your worries - but stil, its' interesting to consider
[13:00] <niston> which is a good thing
[13:00] <niston> I've been thinking about doomsday scenarios myself
[13:01] <niston> you could probably save some technology
[13:01] <niston> but
[13:01] <niston> what if there's an IC on it
[13:01] <niston> and the IC breaks down?
[13:01] <doomlord> i know the whole of industry is the real issue. the whole support
[13:01] <niston> you wont be able to manufacture a new one
[13:01] <niston> even if you knew how it worked
[13:01] <doomlord> right. this is why right now i'm actually thinking of getting a stack of rPI's for a doomstash
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[13:02] <niston> and I doubt that you could do it like Doc in Back to the future III and simply wait for valve technology to reappear and then rebuild the chip as a discrete valve circuit.
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[13:02] <doomlord> i might look into what x86 board is most economical too, but i've got it in my head that ARM SOC's are the clear low power winners
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[13:03] <doomlord> its hard to predict exactly what will play out, but I'm hoping for a gradual decline
[13:03] <doomlord> eg each year we have 1% energy loss.. that sort of thing
[13:03] <doomlord> we'll lose the big waste first, like suburbia
[13:03] <niston> what purpose will they serve
[13:03] <niston> once things went south?
[13:03] <niston> will you use tech to uphold communications?
[13:03] <doomlord> keep wikipedia dumps
[13:04] <doomlord> if i have spare time, simply amusing myself
[13:04] <niston> preserve knowledge then
[13:04] <niston> yeah
[13:04] <doomlord> keep a primitive web going, even if it means sending USB sticks by carrier pigeons
[13:04] <doomlord> a little bit of telecoms multiplied by computing to compress/decompress messages
[13:05] <doomlord> text is efficient
[13:05] <doomlord> even graphics is efficient, schematics..
[13:05] <niston> I have two 5GHz RF WLAN radios in my basement
[13:05] <doomlord> i just had some idiot elsewhere on the web try to guilt me for being interested in graphics
[13:05] <doomlord> i want some numbers to throw back at him
[13:06] <doomlord> but also i'm looking into this myself- even the pedal generator idea
[13:06] <doomlord> i'd like to try a pedal-generator excercise bike/rower, more as an excercise incentive
[13:06] <niston> probably hydroelectrics could still work
[13:07] <doomlord> maybe there are compromise monitors, monochrome, not backlit
[13:07] <niston> sure
[13:07] <doomlord> you could ration use of colour graphics
[13:08] <doomlord> you could have a slliding scale... an e-ink screen to one side, a mono fast text monitor, and a small colour display
[13:08] <niston> ah
[13:08] <niston> found something
[13:08] <niston> http://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/comparing_the_battery_with_other_power_sources
[13:08] <niston> "The battery is highly efficient. Below 70 percent charge, the charge efficiency is close to 100 percent and the discharge losses are only a few percent. In comparison, the energy efficiency of the fuel cell is 20 to 60 percent, and the thermal engines is 25 to 30 percent."
[13:09] <doomlord> lets see if there's any mileage in the hardware being developped for VR, i.e. a very small screen close to the eye
[13:09] <doomlord> so batteries just suck for mass
[13:09] <doomlord> not good for cars, but at home, pedal-generate/ discharge would be ok ?
[13:10] <doomlord> if I pedal 200watts for 1hour ... that would give me 10 hours of colour graphics ...
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[13:11] <niston> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1510207830/pedal-power-human-scale-energy-for-everyday-tasks
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[13:11] <doomlord> currently thats M50p of oats
[13:11] <doomlord> currently thats <50p of oats
[13:12] <doomlord> its looking to me like computing is viable, if we're smart
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[13:12] <doomlord> forget the watercooled gaming rigs powering big tv's of course
[13:12] <niston> hmm
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[13:13] <niston> in a post apocalypic world, you won't be gaming anyways - you will be game!
[13:13] <doomlord> hah
[13:13] <Berg> nuke them all hi folks
[13:13] <niston> especially if the zombie apocalypse breaks loose
[13:13] <Berg> its the virus you have to watch for
[13:13] <doomlord> i wont even need 10hours per day of computing
[13:14] <Berg> i think you need to cvover everything with lead
[13:14] <niston> doomlord: but if you kept a Wiki backup on a solar powered pi, you'd be something like a shaman to the primitives around you.
[13:14] <doomlord> i think i could get by on say 4 hours, fall back to books, and of course we'd have to do manual labour
[13:14] <Berg> dont lick it
[13:14] <doomlord> i have used the phrase digital monk
[13:15] <Berg> you could if y6ou had a working pi run the labour camp?
[13:15] <niston> "how can we build a trap to hunt for fish? dunno. lets ask the all knowing all wise doomlord!"
[13:15] <Berg> you have to bring a sacrefice to get wisdom?
[13:15] <niston> of course you'll be demaning a sacrifice
[13:15] <niston> virgins
[13:15] <Berg> yeah
[13:15] <doomlord> yes, a virgin
[13:15] <Berg> oops
[13:16] <doomlord> you typed it faster
[13:16] <niston> virgins are always popular
[13:16] <doomlord> i suspect it will be more like "we wont eat you if you give us useful information"
[13:16] <Berg> they prolly eat you anyway
[13:16] <Berg> you got any salt?
[13:17] <Berg> does this clown taste funny?
[13:17] <Berg> :)
[13:17] <doomlord> anyway , as it stands today... i'm just asking how efficiently can I keep a computing hobby going
[13:17] <Berg> i think you should be able too
[13:17] <doomlord> it looks very doable to me, the screen is the biggest user and there's options. (mono-text, magnifying a very small screen)
[13:18] <Berg> ooo you wont to make it run?
[13:18] <doomlord> yet another question i have is text-to-speech. a talking e-reader in your pocket
[13:18] <Berg> you dint say that was p[art of the hobby
[13:18] <doomlord> one challenge that would be nice is the pedal generator as mentioned
[13:19] <doomlord> if i can power some computing on say 10% of my days calorie burn that would be nice
[13:19] <Berg> store a lot of permanent magnets and enameled copper wire
[13:20] <doomlord> we've still got time for some improvements in 'performance per watt' before the apocalypse
[13:20] <doomlord> i'm also interested in commandline/textmode alternatives to gui stuff
[13:20] <doomlord> but i've always been interested in graphics really
[13:21] <doomlord> graphics needn't mean photorealistic , gigabytes of textures...
[13:21] <doomlord> an rPI's graphics hardware is enough to amuse me
[13:21] <doomlord> is there a website/blog devoted to postapocalyptic computing :)
[13:22] <Berg> google is your friend
[13:22] <doomlord> google the energy burner
[13:23] <doomlord> google project loon sounded interesting
[13:23] <Berg> google will drain humanity of its last idea
[13:24] <Berg> why think when you can google
[13:25] <doomlord> how much power is an in-ear speaker, that'll be almost nothing right?
[13:26] <doomlord> talking wikipedia dump. click some buttons to navigate subjects of interest
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[13:27] <Berg> crystal radio speakers use no power
[13:28] <doomlord> ok earphones are nothing compared to actually running a pi
[13:28] <Berg> why do you need sound
[13:28] <doomlord> alternative input to graphics
[13:28] <doomlord> listen whilst cycling
[13:29] <Berg> i dont think i would cycle push pump are even think heavily i let nature produce my power
[13:30] <doomlord> anyone here used a frenel-lens? i've heard of these being used for magnifying a screen
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[13:31] <Berg> the back lit tv's projector4ess use them
[13:31] <Berg> get them for free wreck a tv
[13:32] <MY123> doomlord, the RPi overall graphic compute capacity is 40GFlops
[13:32] <Berg> i like the audio colour
[13:35] <doomlord> teletype machines are going to be worse than trying to run a monitor, right (paper,ink..)
[13:36] <Berg> learn bninary
[13:37] <Berg> realy i think if the poop hits the fan you will scavenge all you need and if you cant find it yopu will made do
[13:37] <doomlord> well right now i'm just interested in the low-power challenge
[13:38] <doomlord> as a mental excercise, and experiment. I realise for post-apocalypse.. you've got much bigger problems than keeping a computing hobby :)
[13:38] <doomlord> i.e. food & water
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[13:41] <doomlord> http://www.sharpmemorylcd.com/4-4-inch-memory-lcd.html << so, 320x240 mono: 0.0005 watts, nothing, extrapolating it seems a 1000x1000 mono text capable screen should still be trivial energy
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[13:42] <doomlord> ok thats 'memory lcd' .... like e-ink
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[13:43] <day> doomlord: has anyone connected the debug interface to a thermoprinter yet? :D
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[13:43] <knob> Good morning all =)
[13:43] <doomlord> i wonder how much energy i'll waste constructing a DIY self-powered setup :)
[13:44] <knob> doomlord, there's only one way to find out! Do it!
[13:44] <knob> =)
[13:45] <doomlord> one thing is, at the moment i regularly pedal/walk nowhere just to stay fit
[13:45] <doomlord> so it would be more efficient to do this indoors and use the power
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[13:46] <doomlord> if technology keeps advancing, i wonder if you'll get to the point where wearable computing can run off a little bodyheat or something (thermal difference)
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[13:47] <knob> doomlord, I am sure it will happen. I think that if we have that tech, you can slap it on a wall, and extract a lot more energy from the sun's rays
[13:47] <MY123> There is still people writing on the locked Android forum...
[13:47] <knob> Or batteries will keep on advancing so awesome-tastically, that multi-day batteries will be normal. Which will rock
[13:49] <doomlord> the area of panels to run an rPI will still be a lot less than the area of land to feed someone, I think
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[13:49] <doomlord> should be the case right now
[13:50] <doomlord> ok off to pedal around nowhere
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[13:52] <Encapsulation> https://ideone.com/VEqc0y
[13:52] <Encapsulation> anyone know where I might have gone wrong?
[13:53] <Berg> #include <wiringPi.h>
[13:53] <Berg> you code cant find it
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[13:54] <Encapsulation> it's there thats something to do with that paste site I do have it
[13:54] <Encapsulation> the problem seems to be that it's constantly triggering
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[13:56] <Berg> why do you ask twice for alarm?
[13:56] <Encapsulation> I wanted to make sure motion was continuing for some amount of time
[13:56] <Encapsulation> before sending an alert
[13:56] <Encapsulation> the 100ms delay is temporary I'll increase it later
[13:56] <Berg> hmm
[13:57] <Encapsulation> oh but
[13:57] <Encapsulation> I forget to check sensor state again there
[13:57] <Berg> yep
[13:57] <Encapsulation> I don't think thats the problem but I will still fix
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[13:59] <Berg> i dont think thats a problem either just check twice and set on e time alarm =
[14:00] <Kunsi> hello, i have set up GPIO24 as input with internal pull-up-resistor. works fine, but i get "false" triggers from time to time, any ideas how this could happen?
[14:01] <Berg> you clear the pin?
[14:01] <Kunsi> http://paste.debian.net/181570/ <- every line of log is one trigger
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[14:01] <Berg> no clue what that means sorry
[14:02] <Kunsi> http://paste.debian.net/181571/ that's the code i'm using
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[14:05] <Berg> where are you using bouncetime
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[14:07] <Kunsi> bouncetime is one second. but triggers happen really at random
[14:08] <Berg> is your pin going hi from caps?
[14:08] <Kunsi> err, what?
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[14:09] <Kunsi> i've set up internal pull-up-resistor
[14:09] <Berg> how are you triggering the pin?
[14:09] <Encapsulation> you're pulling it up?
[14:10] <Kunsi> i've hooked it up to my door-bell switch, to have my phones ring when someone's there
[14:10] <Encapsulation> the switch goes high when the door opens?
[14:10] <Encapsulation> should you be pulling it low
[14:10] <Encapsulation> just guessing
[14:10] <Encapsulation> not sure what sensor you have
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[14:10] <Kunsi> gpio is shortened to GND on button push
[14:10] <Kunsi> http://raspberrypi.stackexchange.com/questions/19907/raspberry-pi-gpio-randomly-triggered looks like same issue as i have
[14:11] <Encapsulation> did the first response help
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[14:11] <Encapsulation> about interference
[14:11] <Kunsi> did not try that, just found it a minute ago :)
[14:11] <Kunsi> let me test that
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[14:12] <Berg> Long wires have a bad habit of picking up on external electromagnetic
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[14:13] <Berg> thats why i asked about caps in the system
[14:13] <Berg> \capacitors
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[14:15] <Kunsi> hm, only have 6800pF and 1uF available, which one would you choose?
[14:15] <Kunsi> i think i'll try with 1uF
[14:15] <Berg> i cant help there
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[14:19] <Berg> just thinking would a 5k resistor let it drain faster?
[14:19] <Berg> and stay down
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[14:21] <Kunsi> ok, testing now with 1uF cap
[14:22] <Kunsi> i think it really was electromagnetic, bell gone off when i switched on lights in "server" room
[14:22] <Berg> interesting
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[14:25] <ThinkingofPython> Anyone use the Intel Compute Stick here?
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[14:26] <Berg> not me
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[14:27] <Berg> looks to cost quite a l;ot ThinkingofPython
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[14:27] <ThinkingofPython> There's clones here in China for about $80
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[14:29] <Berg> how much power does it use?
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[14:31] <ThinkingofPython> 1-2A
[14:31] <ThinkingofPython> But reports say usually about 500ma, 1.5a when doing intense stuff
[14:31] <ppq> so 5-10 W ?
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[14:32] <Berg> thats not so bad
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[14:33] <ThinkingofPython> yeah 5-10W
[14:33] <Berg> http://www.jaycar.com.au/Kits%2C-Science-%26-Learning/Electronic-Project-Kits/Computer-%26-Programming/PcDuino-V3-0-with-Wi-Fi/p/XC4350
[14:33] <Berg> i was looking at that but it takes a lot of power
[14:34] <Berg> anf tyhe cost compair to the pi well its double
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[14:39] <ThinkingofPython> D:
[14:39] <ThinkingofPython> Tablet with the same specs as compute stick for the same price as a clone
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[14:45] <brasizza> Good morning guys
[14:45] <__FNO__> Good evening :)
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[14:53] <brasizza> damn this jetlag
[14:53] <brasizza> tomorroy i'll say just hello guys
[14:53] <brasizza> tomorrow.
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[14:54] <brasizza> anybody used beacon ?
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[15:36] <Kunsi> so, adding a 1µF cap seems to have fixed my gpio issue
[15:37] <ShorTie> coupling caps are nice
[15:38] <pmjdebruijn> decoupling?
[15:39] <ShorTie> sorry, no electronic expert, just a ruff idea'r
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[15:41] <osxyer> guys, do I need a case with a fan for a new raspberry pi 2 as a media center?
[15:42] <ShorTie> case is optional, fan not really needed
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[15:45] <osxyer> I burned a rp1 while trying to power on an external HDD
[15:45] <osxyer> im afraid it happens again
[15:45] <osxyer> im not quite sure how to do it
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[15:46] <ShorTie> ya, that was drawing to much current thru the fuse
[15:46] <ShorTie> rpi2 can power a hdd with a good power supply and cable
[15:47] <shiftplusone> Nightly and cutdown images https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=66&t=111144
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[15:48] <osxyer> ShorTie: such as?
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[15:48] * ShorTie thinkz, it ain't cut down, it's just not built up the whole way
[15:49] <ShorTie> such as what ??
[15:49] <shiftplusone> ShorTie: and what's the word you'd use instead. "Nightly and not built up the whole way image"? Doesn't have the same ring to it.
[15:50] <shiftplusone> My first choice was 'minimal', but it's far from it. Headless? Not really it either. So I settle on cutdown since it's the closest.
[15:50] <ShorTie> ah, just funnin
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[15:51] <ShorTie> the non-X version is more like it
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[15:52] <shiftplusone> well that is what I put in the filename, but thought it might be confusing to people unfamiliar with how GUI applications work on linux.
[15:52] <ShorTie> non-GUI then maybe
[15:53] <shiftplusone> Maybe, but I can sleep at night with it being called cutdown anyway.
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[15:53] <Tenkawa> hi all
[15:53] <shiftplusone> Hey Tenkawa
[15:54] <Tenkawa> whats new?
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[15:54] <ShorTie> sleep is a good thing
[15:54] * Tenkawa is updating his chromebook
[15:54] <shiftplusone> not much here
[15:54] * Tenkawa wishes he could find another arm notebook like this
[15:54] <ThinkingofPython> sup shiftplusone
[15:54] <ShorTie> just tryin to pick on shiftplusone, but thats nothin new, lol.
[15:55] <Tenkawa> i've pondered getting the chromebook 2 however just cant convince myself
[15:55] <ThinkingofPython> shiftplusone What's the usual turn around time for email response from Pi?
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[15:55] <ThinkingofPython> Tenkawa I'm stuck on PC stuff as well. Either am getting a Intel Compute Stick or a tablet with the same specs
[15:55] <Tenkawa> time to get x working
[15:55] <Tenkawa> ThinkingofPython: I've got this arm chromebook but its really old
[15:56] <ThinkingofPython> Ah
[15:56] <shiftplusone> ThinkingofPython: depends on the email and who received it, I guess. There's always the chance that there won't be a response.
[15:56] <Tenkawa> chromebook series 3
[15:56] <ThinkingofPython> I'm using the Pi2 with my Lapdock to "simulate" a chromebook-like situation
[15:56] <ThinkingofPython> ah it was PR
[15:57] <Tenkawa> ThinkingofPython: nice
[15:57] <shiftplusone> Yeah, I don't know who PR actually is. It might be Liz, but she's in 'murica right now for Maker Faire, so... wouldn't expect a reply soon.
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[15:58] <Tenkawa> anyone good with /etc/network/interfaces aliasing?
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[15:59] <Tenkawa> here goes another experiment.. brb if this bomb
[15:59] <Tenkawa> s
[15:59] <ThinkingofPython> ah damn
[15:59] <ThinkingofPython> that'd explain why
[15:59] <ThinkingofPython> Freakin' liz cmon man!
[16:00] <ThinkingofPython> Stop doing your job and help me
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[16:02] <Tenkawa> ok... x "is" sort of working
[16:02] <Tenkawa> hehehh
[16:03] <Tenkawa> it runs and i can start programs if i login and export display blah blah
[16:03] <Tenkawa> time to figure out next fix
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[16:06] <Tenkawa> oh... i must be missing some packages
[16:06] <Tenkawa> duh
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[16:08] <Tenkawa> oops
[16:08] <Tenkawa> wrong button
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[16:11] <Tenkawa> uggh
[16:11] <Tenkawa> old deprecated kernels are fun.... not
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[16:13] <Tenkawa> hey darkbasic
[16:13] <aRdoR> I'm looking to buy a device
[16:13] <aRdoR> pre-made
[16:13] <Tenkawa> aRdoR: which one?
[16:13] <aRdoR> bluetooth keyboard emulator (custom) i believe.
[16:13] <Tenkawa> ah
[16:14] <aRdoR> I plug in my mouse/keyboard into the Pi, it will have a selector for 8 target outputs pairs.
[16:14] <aRdoR> so the idea is, when I select output 1 via a botton on the pi, it will send my keyboard/mouse to the bluetooth that is located on computer 1.
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[16:15] <aRdoR> when i select 6 it will send it to the bluetooth that is on computer 6.
[16:15] <aRdoR> I have money.
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[16:22] <aRdoR> but, I am looking to hire someone who is already familiar with like PiTooth and the RaspberryPi of course.
[16:22] <aRdoR> and really, I am just looking to buy the device, not pay per hour
[16:23] <aRdoR> this seems possbile, or do you think that the RaspberryPi cannot handle maintaining 8 pairings?
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[16:26] <Hc|Carl> hi
[16:26] <Hc|Carl> how can i take over my raspberry pi user interface?
[16:26] <Hc|Carl> I have it connected to my network and the display is my tv
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[16:27] <aRdoR> syngergy
[16:27] <ShorTie> vnc ??
[16:27] <aRdoR> http://synergy-project.org/ or VNC
[16:28] <aRdoR> if you can see the pi display from your computer station, you want synergy
[16:28] <aRdoR> if you cannot see the pi display from your computer station you want VNC
[16:28] <aRdoR> as VNC will send the display to you, (since its remote desktop) while synergy is keyboard/mouse sharing
[16:28] <Kunsi> personally, i'd prefer vnc even if i'm able to see display
[16:29] <aRdoR> Kunsi, well stated
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[16:30] <Hc|Carl> ok cool thanks
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[16:31] <Kunsi> if i'd have found a way to refresh iceweasel website without vnc, i wouldn't use vnc at all
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[16:34] <jonkristian> Hoping someone could help me with a small question. Can i use any 12v power supply for this? http://www.ebay.com/itm/7-800-480-LCD-HDMI-VGA-2AV-Touch-Screen-Reversing-Driver-Board-Controller-/201268022978?ssPageName=STRK:MESE:IT
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[16:34] <jonkristian> And, I can't see anywhere if it's + or - to center. Any ideas at all?
[16:35] <ShorTie> normal is + center i believe
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[16:37] <ShorTie> and i don't see current requirements, but i'd guess >= 1a would work ok
[16:38] <Kunsi> i've got a similar display which works fine using an 0.8A power supply
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[16:39] <Groggy> Kunsi: Do you run the website yourself? Then javascript might be a way to go, othervise look at addons for the browser?
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[16:40] <Kunsi> i do. i use javascript to fetch updates periodically, but if i change something in javascript files, i have to refresh browser
[16:40] <jonkristian> Thanks guys!
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[16:40] <Groggy> Ah, I see the problem
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[16:41] <Kunsi> actually, i don't use vnc, i have plugged in a tiny keyboard
[16:41] <Groggy> I googled like "firefox autoupdate" and found https://addons.mozilla.org/sv-se/firefox/addon/reloadevery/, have not tested it myself
[16:42] <Groggy> might work for you (then would the fetching of updates be... not spoiled, but yeah :))
[16:42] <Kunsi> reload every X seconds is not what i want
[16:42] <Kunsi> refresh (-> flickering display) would lower woman acceptance factor
[16:43] <Kunsi> :)
[16:43] <Groggy> haha
[16:43] <Groggy> yeah, probably
[16:43] <Kunsi> but, i'm fine with preissing ctrl-r some time
[16:43] <Kunsi> mosty, i develop using mylaptop, make sure everything works, and then refresh my pi
[16:43] <Groggy> but then is it only a problem when you are trying out new features/developing the site? And if you are fine, then there are no problem
[16:44] <Groggy> I'm a bit late, as always :p
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[16:51] <jonkristian> Kunsi, but 5v or 12v, is says 5~24V although the monitor says 12v, so is it safe to assume 12v?
[16:52] <Kunsi> mine says 9-18V, don't know
[16:52] <jonkristian> Kunsi, my psu says 5-15V MAX3.6A
[16:52] <jonkristian> Do you have it set to 12V?
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[16:53] <ShorTie> you only need 12vdc for the backlight i believe
[16:53] <ShorTie> the rest is 5vdc
[16:53] <jonkristian> okay
[16:53] <Kunsi> my display says 9-18V, my power supply is 12V
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[17:28] <Encapsulation> https://ideone.com/TPMz4a any ideas why this won't compile on my pi? Error is: "g++: internal compiler error: Killed (program cc1plus)". It compiles and runs fine on my arch linux desktop.
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[17:29] <NemeSys> Is there any recommended reading for connecting to a raspberry pi with a crossover cable...? It'll be my first time, and want to make sure I set things up appropriately
[17:29] <MY123> Encapsulation, add a little swap
[17:30] <MY123> (the cause is too low memory)
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[17:38] <Encapsulation> MY123, getLight.cpp:16:26: error: expected primary-expression before �.� token
[17:39] <MY123> Encapsulation, try using gcc-4.7
[17:39] <MY123> or gcc-4.8
[17:39] <Encapsulation> the library is a c library
[17:39] <Encapsulation> is there anything special I need to do
[17:39] <Encapsulation> it compiles fine in mono
[17:39] <Encapsulation> maybe in gcc I need to specify something?
[17:39] <Encapsulation> how would I try using gcc-4.8
[17:40] <MY123> Encapsulation, install it
[17:41] <MY123> and use CC=gcc-4.8
[17:41] <shiftplusone> NemeSys: connecting the pi to what? (by the way, crossover cables aren't needed, a normal cable will work the same way)
[17:41] <NemeSys> shiftplusone, crossover cable from my laptop to the pi
[17:41] <NemeSys> so they can essentially network without a switch
[17:41] <shiftplusone> yes, you don't need a crossover cable for that.
[17:42] <shiftplusone> what OS is on your laptop?
[17:42] <NemeSys> I'm running arch linux
[17:42] <shiftplusone> https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Internet_sharing
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[17:43] <NemeSys> it's more that I want to ssh to it and set things up, etc ;) was just looking to be pointed to a manual
[17:43] <NemeSys> thanks shiftplusone, will read this
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[17:44] <shiftplusone> And just for the hell of it... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medium-dependent_interface#Auto_MDI-X
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[17:48] <Encapsulation> getLight.cpp:19:26: error: expected primary-expression before �.� token
[17:48] <Encapsulation> what does that even mean
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[17:51] <Froolap> what would I need to convert this..... into something to power my pi's? http://www.amazon.com/Black-Decker-BC15BD-Battery-Charger/dp/B00KNMKRU8/ref=sr_1_9?s=automotive&ie=UTF8&qid=1432223379&sr=1-9&keywords=battery+charger
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[17:54] <fyrril> odd
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[17:58] <xxValiumxx> Froolap erm. It's not ideal
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[17:59] <xxValiumxx> I can think of a couple ways, but it's not a good idea.
[17:59] <Froolap> but i could power 5 pi and only use 1 plug.
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[18:00] <xxValiumxx> what?
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[18:00] <xxValiumxx> you linked a battery charger.
[18:01] <Froolap> it's a 15 amp charger so that would give 3a to each of 5 pi.
[18:01] <Froolap> should be plenty of power
[18:01] <xxValiumxx> it's a CAR battery charger. the output is 14.4 VDC
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[18:02] <Froolap> yeah, so guess I need to limit the voltage and then connect to rails that the pi can connect to.
[18:02] <xxValiumxx> http://www.amazon.com/Sabrent-Family-Sized-Charger-Technology-AX-U5PB/dp/B00N28DOFA/ref=sr_1_2?s=automotive&ie=UTF8&qid=1432224156&sr=1-2&keywords=usb+power+strip
[18:03] <Froolap> maybe just a voltage dropping resistor
[18:03] <xxValiumxx> look at what I just linked.
[18:03] <rwb> Hi I have a GPIO python script running from rc.local. It does run when I reboot, however it does not seem to be listening for input.
[18:04] <rwb> If I kill the process, and start it again manyally like ./rc.local & it listens fine.
[18:04] <rwb> any ideas?
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[18:06] <Froolap> yeah looking. it doesn't appear as rugged (lol) as that car battery charger. maybe I could make it power a small jacob's ladder to make it look impressive.
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[18:07] <xxValiumxx> do you already have that charger or something?
[18:08] <Kunsi> Froolap: i don't think your pi is as rugged as any charger available :)
[18:08] <Froolap> no.... I was just looking from something to minimize my power slot use. I was thinking about using an old pc power supply, but I'm not sure I understand the different diagrams I've seen on the web.
[18:09] <xxValiumxx> now that is a far more senisible idea.
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[18:09] <Froolap> Well yeah, but if I could take that car charger and "fix" it so that it's safe to run my pi 24/7 it would look impressive. giggle
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[18:12] <Froolap> *I* would think that I could just tap the +5v and the ground going to the floppy or hard drive and use that to power the pi, but everything I've seen shows wiring resistors, capicitors, all kinds of electronic junk with no description as to why that is required or what it's doing.
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[18:13] <brasizza> anybody alrady used a MCP3002 ?
[18:13] <Froolap> I would be happy if there was a 4pin hard drive molex to pi usbtgo port adapter that I could use my desktop computer to power the pi.
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[18:35] <linuxthefish> does anyone know what LCD https://learn.adafruit.com/adafruit-16x2-character-lcd-plus-keypad-for-raspberry-pi uses?
[18:36] <Encapsulation> any ideas?
[18:36] <Encapsulation> compilation!!!
[18:36] <Encapsulation> it fails
[18:36] <Encapsulation> getLight.cpp:35:26: error: expected primary-expression before �.� token
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[18:37] <Encapsulation> getLight.cpp:35:26: error: expected primary-expression before �.� token. My code: https://ideone.com/ZDphnG The library I'm trying to use: http://dino.ciuffetti.info/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/TSL2561.c and it's header: http://dino.ciuffetti.info/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/TSL2561.h Any ideas?
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[18:50] <Encapsulation> ANYONE!?!?!
[18:50] <Encapsulation> nobody knows how to fix it in the coding channels
[18:50] <Encapsulation> need someone pi specific
[18:51] <shiftplusone> maybe if you ask loudly and often enough...
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[18:54] <Encapsulation> shiftplusone, thats the plan
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[18:54] <shiftplusone> Don't. It's rude and will get you kicked or banned.
[18:55] <Encapsulation> I'm a logical person
[18:55] <rwb> I'm trying to run this from rc,local. https://learn.adafruit.com/playing-sounds-and-using-buttons-with-raspberry-pi/code when it boots, it does run, but id does not seem to be listening to pins. This should work like that right?
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[18:55] <Encapsulation> which is why I will say no more now
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[18:56] <canton7> Encapsulation, you're compiling a c library as cpp mebbe?
[18:56] <canton7> there's a struct initializer there
[18:56] <Encapsulation> canton7, yes I'm trying to
[18:56] <canton7> Encapsulation, that's your problem
[18:56] <Encapsulation> it worked with a different library and someone told me you can dso that
[18:56] <Encapsulation> but I guess you can't
[18:56] <canton7> it's got c-specific syntax in it
[18:56] <Encapsulation> so I need to somehow make this library compatible with c++
[18:57] <Encapsulation> I musat have gotten lucky with the other library
[18:57] <Encapsulation> and it just happened to work for c++
[18:57] <canton7> yep
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[18:57] <Encapsulation> do you know what part of the code needs to be changed?
[18:57] <Encapsulation> I don't know c
[18:57] <canton7> the struct initializer in TSL2561_INIT
[18:57] <canton7> (that's where your error's coming from, as you should be able to tell)
[18:57] <Encapsulation> well I did see an error about an initalizer list
[18:58] <Encapsulation> but I didnt think I was using one
[18:58] <Encapsulation> it meant in the library code
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[18:58] <Encapsulation> and I was confused because most of the errros looked like this getLight.cpp:35:26: error: expected primary-expression before �.� token
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[18:58] <Encapsulation> which doesn't seem very clear
[18:58] <canton7> do you know what macros are?
[18:58] <Encapsulation> there isnt even a . there
[18:58] <Encapsulation> I looked it up
[18:58] <Encapsulation> I guess it represents a block of code
[18:58] <Encapsulation> or something
[18:58] <canton7> learn what a macro is, and how the preprocessor works
[18:59] <rwb> I'm running this from rc.local https://learn.adafruit.com/playing-sounds-and-using-buttons-with-raspberry-pi/code It does run on reboot, but it seems it's not listen to pins. This should work, right?
[18:59] <rwb> It does work if I run it manually like ./rc.local &
[19:01] <rwb> I'm running it as root. I'm not sure why it does not listen to the pins after rebooting. Like I said, If I kill it, then run it in the shell it listens fine. Any ideas?
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[19:12] <jonkristian> Kunsi, you had similar lvds board as mine? You wouldn't happen to know if it's possible to reset the board, I messed up screen configuration in menu.
[19:13] <Kunsi> don't know
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[19:21] <brasizza> back :)
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[19:23] <Encapsulation> canton7, do you know how to modify the struct initializer to work?
[19:23] <Encapsulation> in c++
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[19:27] <brasizza> hey guys how do you use an analogic sensors in raspberry ?
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[19:27] <Encapsulation> brasizza, with an adc
[19:27] <hefest> hey guys, is the pinout on version 1 b+ and 2 the same except for the extra pins?
[19:27] <Encapsulation> if its analog
[19:28] <brasizza> i saw an mcp3002
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[19:28] <brasizza> do read analogic values
[19:28] <Encapsulation> what sensor?
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[19:29] <brasizza> gas, or potenciometer .. anyone
[19:29] <brasizza> i saw this.
[19:29] <brasizza> MCP3008 - 8-Channel 10-Bit ADC With SPI Interface
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[19:30] <hefest> anyone?
[19:30] <brasizza> hey hefest
[19:30] <brasizza> it is
[19:30] <brasizza> 1 will always be the 3.3v
[19:30] <brasizza> and the 6 gound
[19:30] <brasizza> and so on
[19:30] <hefest> brasizza: pardon me, i wanted to ask between model B (not B+) and rpi2?
[19:30] <Froolap> where's the fun?
[19:31] <brasizza> i think so
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[19:32] <Encapsulation> Froolap, do you know C
[19:32] <Froolap> nope
[19:32] <brasizza> hefest: both has 26 pins ?
[19:32] <Froolap> she sells c shells?
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[19:33] <hefest> brasizza: no, rpi2 has 40 and rpi1 b has 26
[19:33] <brasizza> hmm
[19:33] <brasizza> b+ has 40 as well
[19:33] <brasizza> b 26
[19:33] <brasizza> hefest: look
[19:34] <brasizza> http://raspi.tv/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/Raspberry-Pi-GPIO-pinouts.png
[19:34] <brasizza> dunno if its what you r looking fo
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[19:35] <hefest> brasizza: im looking for comparation between the two, i had ambilight connected to it but no idea which ports are those
[19:35] <hefest> brasizza: there is no rpi2 on that image
[19:36] <brasizza> http://www.element14.com/community/servlet/JiveServlet/previewBody/73950-102-4-309126/GPIO_Pi2.png
[19:37] <brasizza> same
[19:37] <hefest> brasizza: great
[19:37] <brasizza> no worries mate :)
[19:39] <hefest> hmm, is raspbian outdated?
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[19:40] <hefest> i guess no, just the installer
[19:42] <jonkristian> Kunsi, I set the mode to SYS1 and all I got was a grey screen, lol. That was not a good idea:/
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[19:44] <hefest> is OSMC still in rc ?
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[19:45] <hefest> oh man RC3
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[19:47] <Encapsulation> got it
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[20:02] <gics> hi, i want to install softether on a raspberry 2, which package should i choose? I can see: arm eabi 32bit, arm legacy 32bit, mips little endian 32bit and others
[20:02] <MY123> gics, ARM eabi 32
[20:02] <gics> MY123, thank you!
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[20:09] <HotCoder> is tawr here?
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[20:09] <HotCoder> tawr can i speak with you?
[20:10] <HotCoder> my raspberry pi 2 just came in, im sooo happy :D
[20:10] <pmumble> grats :D
[20:10] <Encapsulation> gratz =D
[20:10] <Froolap> yeah, but does it work?
[20:10] <pmumble> lol
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[20:11] <MY123> and my 5th RPi should come soon :P
[20:11] <MY123> *RPi2
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[20:11] <pmumble> i got a piglow yesterday. there is a warning on the package not to look at it directly on full brightness. heed that warning. my eye was messed up for 2 hours
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[20:11] <pmumble> and i only barely glanced at it
[20:12] <gics> MY123, do you already managed to install softether on a rpi2? Because i have always the same error when trying to
[20:12] <MY123> gics, which error?
[20:12] <gics> new thread create failed
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[20:13] <MY123> gics, Raspbian or Debian Jessie?
[20:13] <gics> raspbian, last version
[20:13] <Froolap> piglo?
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[20:14] <MY123> gics, that is the cause
[20:14] <MY123> use a chroot or Debian
[20:14] <pmumble> yeah just a little LED array
[20:14] <pmumble> its frickn bright. can light up a room with it
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[20:14] <gics> it's Jessie already to consider stable? On a rpi i mean
[20:15] <MY123> gics, Debian Jessie is stable
[20:15] <Froolap> url?
[20:15] <MY123> I don't know about Raspbian Jessie
[20:15] <MY123> Froolap, debian.org
[20:15] <MY123> :P
[20:15] <pmumble> http://shop.pimoroni.com/products/piglow
[20:16] <gics> MY123, i can't remember where but i read real Debian isn't yet for rpi2, but maybe time has passed meanwhile
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[20:19] <MY123> gics, there is real Debian and Ubuntu for the Pi2
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[20:24] <hefest> flashing raspbian wheezy to the sdcard for rpi2, i guess it will just work
[20:24] <hefest> plan on mounting /var/log, /var/run, /tmp/, /var/tmp on usb flash, to save the sdcard
[20:25] <hefest> im thinking of resizing the dd-ed image with parted
[20:27] <gics> MY123, where do you get Debian image? Directly from debian.org or from this link http://sjoerd.luon.net/posts/2015/02/debian-jessie-on-rpi2/ ?
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[20:29] <hefest> gics: why don't you run debian installer?
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[20:30] <MY123> gics, from that link
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[20:30] <MY123> or rpi-netinst which is harder to use
[20:31] <gics> hefest, because i need to know if i can safely jump
[20:31] <gics> MY123, thank you, i'm reading through comments right now to see if all works as expected
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[20:45] <gics> MY123, do you know if camera module is working? I get 2 contrasting comments in that link
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[20:51] <HotCoder> Froolap, gonna test it out soon
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[21:02] <MY123> gics, it works if you build userland
[21:02] <MY123> or install it
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[21:06] <azv4> anyone do testing with Pi2 with audio? What are the specs on its "soundcard"? I can't seem to find them
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[21:08] <gics> MY123, i just found this nice py script https://github.com/c0d3z3r0/rpi2strap , so now i'm going to burn sd ;)
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[21:08] <gics> MY123, by install i think you mean with raspi-config, right?
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[21:19] <Scunizi> making a google voice call through asterisk on Raspberry PI2b results in garbled voice on the asterisk end. The called number voice quality is excellent. Any solutions?
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[21:21] <brasizza> are you doing a click to active the google voice ?
[21:21] <pksato> Scunizi: test codecs
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[21:22] <Scunizi> pksato: like switch from gsm to something else?
[21:22] <pksato> yes
[21:22] <pksato> better is to use same codec on both ends.
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[21:23] <Scunizi> pksato: tried.. didn't seem to make a difference.. quality is also garbled when calling extension 7001 (ivr) on incredible PBX
[21:23] <pksato> but, VoIP use lots os proprietary codecs.
[21:24] <pksato> sound card?
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[21:25] <Scunizi> pksato: perhaps.. but no issues using GV via gmail .. I'm testing with Yate Client if that makes a difference
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[21:40] <hefest> damn, rpi2 flies compared to rpi1
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[21:50] <s1lver> Does anyone here have any idea why the menu bar wont show up when connecting via xrdp or VNC?
[21:50] <canton7> Encapsulation, I do
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[21:59] <niston> azv4: http://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php?topic=97100.0
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[22:00] <azv4> niston, some mention of audio specs there?
[22:00] <azv4> can it do 16bi 44khz?
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[22:01] <azv4> ahh nevermind, I just read the article lol
[22:01] <azv4> I wonder if he was using jackd
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[22:13] <supersmilers> Hi. I replaced my HDMI cable from MCM with the new LG one I just got and it still outputs the desktop in low-res not 1080i.
[22:14] <pksato> supersmilers: some times, need to set manually correct mode.
[22:15] <pksato> on config.txt
[22:15] <pksato> mode, resolution and etc related to video output.
[22:16] <supersmilers> I could but It has weird issues on it. I'm thinking of switching to Ubuntu Mate from Raspbian before I do it.
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[22:17] <tawr> if it has issues with one, it will probably with the other supersmilers
[22:18] <supersmilers> ok. I just liked Ubuntu Mate or Gnome because I came from Ubuntu when I used to mess with my old laptop.
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[22:21] <supersmilers> woah. I didn't know you could install maynard on rpi
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[22:23] <supersmilers> Which OS should I install maynard on the rpi?
[22:23] <azv4> niston, do you use JRiver by chance?
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[22:25] <tawr> hahaha oh crap
[22:25] <tawr> my internet died
[22:25] <tawr> so i was pinging google on my pi
[22:25] <supersmilers> I'm guessing ubuntu for maynard? https://github.com/raspberrypi/maynard/wiki
[22:26] <tawr> and forgot about it
[22:26] <tawr> --- google.com ping statistics ---
[22:26] <tawr> 46137 packets transmitted, 46113 received, 0% packet loss, time 46220861ms
[22:26] <tawr> rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 17.636/29.349/2345.186/30.645 ms, pipe 3
[22:26] <tawr> haha, 46k ping packets to google. oops.
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[22:28] <supersmilers> What do you think?
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[22:37] <ShorTie> the world is round
[22:37] <supersmilers> I wanted to use VLC. Kodi sucks for me. What OS is good for that?
[22:38] <TheLostAdmin> Windows.
[22:38] <supersmilers> I mean on the Pi
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[22:39] <TheLostAdmin> give it a few months. After all MS promised. ;-)
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[22:39] <supersmilers> Well, They already released Windows for Pi but its a app deployment OS.
[22:40] <TheLostAdmin> I'm not actually sure. I would say start with Raspbian and see. I it's the "official" one so might get any needed driver updates first.
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[22:41] <supersmilers> I tried with Raspbian but I don't like the desktop look. I prefer something that looks more nicer.
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[22:42] <ShorTie> raspbian has all the special sauce for the pi
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[22:43] <TheLostAdmin> supersmilers, you can change the desktop. It's Debian with a touch of special sauce.
[22:43] <NedScott> supersmilers: why does Kodi suck for you?
[22:44] <mete> tawr: 46k of ping requests don't hurt google ;)
[22:44] <supersmilers> It sucks because It doesn't gives up to 1080i without overscaling the TV screen.
[22:45] <tawr> that is not the os or gui, supersmilers
[22:45] <tawr> that's you not configuring it properly
[22:45] <NedScott> yeah, that's configurable
[22:45] <ShorTie> more so your tv most likely
[22:45] <NedScott> what did you use? Raspbian + Kodi? OpenELEC or OSMC?
[22:45] <lupine> RISC OS
[22:45] <lupine> for srs
[22:45] <NedScott> lol
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[22:46] <lupine> I was really enjoying it, until I realised that I only had a 2-button mouse
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[22:46] <lupine> and that is not a goer
[22:46] <supersmilers> It chosed 1360X something by default for some reason. And it filled up my screen
[22:46] <NedScott> but what OS did you install for Kodi?
[22:47] <supersmilers> Raspbian
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[22:49] <NedScott> the only thing you should need to do for Raspbian is change the GPU memory split
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[22:49] <supersmilers> I did. Its at 256 because I have Pi 2
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[22:49] <NedScott> and nothing else is overscaled?
[22:50] <NedScott> hmmm
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[22:50] <supersmilers> yep. I disabled overscan
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[22:51] <NedScott> weird
[22:51] <supersmilers> I have 40" HDTV from Sharp. its few years old aquaos.
[22:53] <NedScott> if it really is an issue in Kodi, then you might check to see if the same issue happens in OpenELEC, OSMC, or Xbian, because they have some additional bugfixes that are not in the "vanilla" Kodi version
[22:53] <NedScott> but off hand, I don't recall reading about anything like that
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[22:54] <supersmilers> I tried OSMC and at the Splashscreen, the UI is tilted and it chosed 1360 x something
[22:55] <ShorTie> sounds like a tv problemo
[22:55] <supersmilers> It outputs 1080i fro my PS3
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[22:56] <NedScott> like it's reading the EDID wrong
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[22:57] <supersmilers> maybe. I guess I have to manually fix that?
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[22:57] <NedScott> supersmilers: you might try adding this to your config.txt file "HDMI_CEA_1080i60 = 5": https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=5851
[22:57] <Encapsulation> omfg
[22:57] <Encapsulation> is there such a thing as shit wire solder cant stick to?
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[22:58] <niston> aluminum :P
[22:58] <Encapsulation> this chinese ethernet cable
[22:58] <NedScott> flux is your friend :)
[22:58] <Encapsulation> I swear I cant solder these wires
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[22:58] <Encapsulation> with any solder
[22:58] <Encapsulation> or any iron
[22:58] <Encapsulation> it just doesnt stick
[22:58] <Encapsulation> its so annoying
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[22:58] <Encapsulation> ive been struggling for a little bit too long I just realized =D
[22:59] <niston> got the replacement isolator yet?
[22:59] <ShorTie> sounds like the wire is coated
[23:00] <tawr> ol
[23:00] <ShorTie> or you forgot to strip it
[23:00] <Encapsulation> still weaiting on the isolator
[23:00] <Encapsulation> this wire just wont solder
[23:00] <Encapsulation> the nice wires I have
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[23:00] <tawr> Encapsulation, are you putting enough flux
[23:00] <Encapsulation> they get a nice coat and stick really nicely
[23:00] <niston> maybe its aluminum wire
[23:00] <tawr> heat the wire, add solder to wire
[23:00] <Encapsulation> then this crap just pulls away
[23:00] <tawr> not the other way around
[23:00] <Encapsulation> the solder is phobic of it
[23:00] <Encapsulation> I know its not working
[23:00] <tawr> you're probably not getting it hot enough
[23:00] <Froolap> Encapsulation: can you take a picture of the wires you are trying to solder?
[23:00] <Encapsulation> I ruined a tip I got it so hot
[23:00] <Encapsulation> it will not stick
[23:01] <niston> anti-stick-wire
[23:01] <Encapsulation> =\
[23:01] <Encapsulation> I'm just taping them together at this point
[23:01] <ShorTie> <niston> maybe its aluminum wire, me thought this too....
[23:01] <Encapsulation> the solder beads away from the wire
[23:01] <Encapsulation> like water on wax
[23:01] <niston> could be considering its chinese made
[23:01] <Froolap> yeah, bet I know why
[23:01] <NedScott> this cheap $10 GPIO 3.6" TFT screen I ordered from ebay had to be refunded
[23:02] <NedScott> the guy said it was returned in the mail broken and he is out of stock
[23:02] <NedScott> I found another guy selling it as well, but that means another 3 weeks to see if this thing is real :)
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[23:08] <supersmilers> Can I boot up the Pi and dump the edid then I'll dump it here?
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[23:08] <ShorTie> not here, but maybe pastbin
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[23:09] <supersmilers> ok. I will. brb
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[23:10] <nomis> hi all. I am trying to write the configuration eeprom of a HAT I am currently developing. Using eepflash.sh from the eepromutils I get about 50 bytes/s. That can't be right. What could be wrong?
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[23:13] <ShorTie> isn't 50 bytes bigger then they are ??
[23:13] <nomis> uh no.
[23:13] <ShorTie> it's just a stupid little thing
[23:13] <nomis> typically you have 16k or 32k
[23:14] <nomis> it needs to store devicetree fragments and a gpio map and identifying information.
[23:14] <nomis> hard to do in 50 bytes :)
[23:14] <ShorTie> thought all that was like in the device blob
[23:15] <ShorTie> the eeprom just says what device blob to use
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[23:15] <Wegge> Anyone with experience of the Nordic NRF24L01+ 2.4 GHz communication modules_
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[23:16] <Tenkawa> hi all
[23:16] <nomis> ShorTie: see https://github.com/raspberrypi/hats/blob/master/eeprom-format.md
[23:16] <NedScott> Wegge: I have about 10 of them, but I have no idea how to use them, lol
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[23:18] <Wegge> Lack of application, or lack of understandable documentation?
[23:19] <Tenkawa> 10 of?
[23:19] <Tenkawa> heheheh
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[23:20] <Wegge> I've found them on Ebay for a dirt cheap price.
[23:20] <supersmilers> How do I dump edid?
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[23:21] <Wegge> So I'm considering expanding my experience, and buy a bunch, so I can learn mesh networking by multiple failures.
[23:21] <Tenkawa> compiler cluster :)
[23:21] <Froolap> I used to know how to fetch edid. don't remember
[23:22] <Froolap> I know I did it on the pi before
[23:22] <Tenkawa> you can get read-edid utility
[23:22] <Wegge> Tenkawa, If you just joined, we're talking about NRF24L01+
[23:23] <Froolap> why you scruffy looking NeRF herder
[23:23] <Tenkawa> Wegge: ahhhh
[23:23] * Tenkawa checks this out
[23:24] <Tenkawa> oh nice
[23:24] <Tenkawa> interesting rf design
[23:24] <Tenkawa> brb.. need to reboot to test a kernel
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[23:25] <supersmilers> I installed read-edid but it spit out "error: command 'read-edid' not found"
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[23:26] <nomis> supersmilers: then it is not in your search path and you need to specify the path to the executable explicitely.
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[23:27] <supersmilers> where its normally install to?
[23:27] <nomis> supersmilers: how did you install it?
[23:27] <supersmilers> i installed it using "sudo apt-get"
[23:28] <nomis> supersmilers: then you can use "dpkg -L read-edid" to get the list of the files contained in this package
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[23:29] <Tenkawa> hmmm
[23:30] <supersmilers> whats the command for the edid utility
[23:30] <nomis> supersmilers: I just installed the package and it only contains an executable "parse-edid".
[23:31] <Tenkawa> parse-edid
[23:31] <supersmilers> it gives only the version date of the utility
[23:31] <Tenkawa> and get-edid
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[23:32] <Tenkawa> supersmilers: see if get-edid runs
[23:32] <[Saint]> $positive_adjective $time_of_day, humans.
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[23:32] <ShorTie> read-edid doesn't install a exacutable, just doc's
[23:32] <Tenkawa> ShorTie: it did on mine
[23:33] <ShorTie> ya, but that is Debian right ??
[23:33] <Tenkawa> yes
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[23:33] <Tenkawa> good point
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[23:34] <Tenkawa> supersmilers: which distrib you running on there? raspbian?
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[23:34] <Tenkawa> ShorTie: he might be able to get it from the source package though
[23:34] <supersmilers> raspbian
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[23:35] <methuzla> Tenkawa did you install on pi or other?
[23:35] <Tenkawa> methuzla: both but i'm running debiam
[23:35] <Tenkawa> er debian
[23:36] <Joost`> I upgraded my pi to jessie, and ever since that, systemd has been taking 75% of my CPU
[23:36] <Joost`> anything I can do about that?
[23:36] <Joost`> it's been like that for 2 hours now, since reboot
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[23:37] <methuzla> Tenkawa so you have get-edid working on arm? package mentions it only working for i386 and powerpc
[23:38] <Tenkawa> methuzla: i never said it worked... its just on there and it executes
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[23:38] <Tenkawa> i dont use it so i havent tried
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[23:39] <ShorTie> remember, the pi has no video card, so it may not work .. :/~
[23:39] <Tenkawa> bbl..
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[23:40] <Froolab> what do you mean by no video card?
[23:40] <ShorTie> assuming the video card supports the standard read commands (most do).
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[23:41] <ShorTie> it has a built in gpu, which could be much different then a actuall video card
[23:41] <osxyer> hey guys, if I buy a 2.2a powersupply for the rp2, will I need a powered usb hub for an external hard drive?
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[23:42] <osxyer> http://www.canadarobotix.com/power-regulator/1433-micro-usb-power-supply-output-5v-2-2a-great-for-raspberry-pi
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[23:43] <ShorTie> most likely not
[23:43] <ShorTie> but with not having that exact thing, kinda hard to know
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[23:43] <osxyer> umm, let me check what is my current powersupply
[23:44] <ShorTie> and you will need to apply the current hack with what ever power supply you use
[23:45] <osxyer> what is the current hack?
[23:45] <Froolab> I thought that the pi was limited to 500ma on usb. so depends on the usb drive, some are twin tailed.
[23:45] <ShorTie> figured that was coming, lol.
[23:45] <ShorTie> https://projects.drogon.net/testing-setting-the-usb-current-limiter-on-the-raspberry-pi-b/
[23:45] <osxyer> Froolab: it's a western digital passport
[23:46] <Froolab> i have to run my usb drive off of a powered hub.
[23:46] <ShorTie> it's 600ma without the hack
[23:46] <osxyer> Froolab: which powered hub do you have?
[23:46] <ozzzy> I run my pi2 with a 320G usb drive, a 32G stick, wifi dongle and wireless kbd/mouse all plugged in
[23:47] <Froolab> I don't think it's still made, old dlink
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[23:47] <osxyer> ozzzy: no hub?
[23:47] <ozzzy> nope
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[23:47] <osxyer> what kind of hdd do you have?
[23:47] <ozzzy> it's an old 320G HP thing
[23:48] <ShorTie> Froolab, what physical size is the drive ??
[23:48] <osxyer> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136405
[23:48] <osxyer> this is my hard drive
[23:48] <Froolab> it's a 2.5 inch pata drive 120 gig
[23:49] <ShorTie> should work ok with the hack and good power supply/cable
[23:49] <osxyer> will the hack work on a rp1?
[23:49] <ozzzy> probably not much different than my HP 320G USB2
[23:49] <ShorTie> i would think
[23:49] <ShorTie> only on the B+ i believe
[23:50] <osxyer> I think I have the B_
[23:50] <osxyer> B+
[23:50] <ozzzy> 2 usb ports or 4
[23:50] <osxyer> 2
[23:51] <ShorTie> a B you need powered hub
[23:52] <osxyer> yeah, that's why
[23:52] <ShorTie> it has only a 1amp poly fuse on it
[23:52] <osxyer> anyways, im ordering a rp2 now
[23:52] <osxyer> im just hesitating in buying a new 2.2A powersupply for $10
[23:53] <ShorTie> foundation recommends a 2.5amp
[23:53] <ozzzy> I built my own
[23:53] <ShorTie> but 2.2 should work ok most likely
[23:53] <osxyer> ok
[23:54] <ozzzy> the cheapos worked but couldn't hold in any current spikes such as hotplugging the drive
[23:54] <osxyer> I wonder if it's going to be night and day with the current model I have....im using it only as a media center
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[23:54] <ozzzy> it'll be a bit quicker
[23:54] <ShorTie> only thing i see, is the wire looks small and it doesn't say what size it is
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[23:55] <osxyer> I hope it handles streaming content at 1080i
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[23:55] <osxyer> I did have to overclock my current one
[23:55] <ozzzy> dunno... the only display I ever plug in is an old 17" vga monitor
[23:55] <ShorTie> most likely not, that is more a usb-bandwidth problem
[23:56] <ShorTie> which they didn't do any thing with on the rpi2
[23:56] <osxyer> isn't it supposed to be ethernet?
[23:56] <ShorTie> ethernet is part of the usb
[23:56] <osxyer> ohh it's not alone
[23:56] <ShorTie> nop
[23:57] <osxyer> so why would ethernet not work with 1080i and when I put in my usb key, it works perfectly with 1080p@60fps movies
[23:57] <ShorTie> that is why it's easy to bog down
[23:58] <ShorTie> playing a movie and streaming a movie are 2 different things
[23:59] <osxyer> well, the data has to go through the same usb
[23:59] <osxyer> so the pi can process it

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