#raspberrypi IRC Log


IRC Log for 2015-05-23

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[0:06] <Wegge> McBride36, Are you by any chance related to Darl?
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[0:07] <McBride36> i am not
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[0:09] <Wegge> Good for you
[0:09] <niston> haha xD
[0:10] <Wegge> And sorry for asking a question you've probably have heard enough times.
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[0:13] <McBride36> i have heard that question one time
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[0:41] <Wegge> I would have expected more, but OK
[0:41] <Froolap> dreamon: you still here?
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[0:53] <HotCoder> does vnc support sound playback?
[0:53] <HotCoder> i tried it, for mine it dont work
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[0:56] <AlephTwo> Anybody know where to go to find help on connecting to websocket video streams?
[0:56] <Wegge> Idle curiosity: What do you use your pi for?
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[0:56] <AlephTwo> me?
[0:56] <methuzla> AlephTwo what do you mean by connecting?
[0:57] <Wegge> Personally, I bought one first, and then started to think use cases afterwards.
[0:57] <AlephTwo> I have the pi camera running with the v4l webserver. I want to connect to the socket stream remotely
[0:57] <ozzzy> Wegge, mine is relegated to increasing the entropy of the universe
[0:57] <AlephTwo> UV4L WebRTC
[0:57] <Wegge> AlephTwo, Not you particular.
[0:58] <AlephTwo> ... w/ python
[0:58] <Wegge> ozzzy, Better than having kids :) You can turn it off, when you cannot stand more entropy.
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[0:59] <AlephTwo> I can connect to x.x.x.x:8080 with a web browser, I was wondering where I can get assistance in reading the websocket directly with python.
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[0:59] <parco> hey guys, have a serious pickle
[0:59] <methuzla> AlephTwo probably various ways, i've done it using tornado
[0:59] <parco> sent some buddies out with a raspberry pi and they need to change a text file on it
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[0:59] <CanDoo> hello
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[1:00] <parco> all they have is a USB gamepad, USB cable, and their android phones, any way they can edit a text file using just that?
[1:00] <ozzzy> Wegge, I have 2 kids, 4 grandkids =)
[1:00] <AlephTwo> parco, ssh into the pi from android & use virtual keyboard
[1:00] <CanDoo> ozzy heh
[1:01] <parco> AlephTwo: will anything on the Pi need to be setup, or will it work automagically?
[1:01] <methuzla> parco download a ssh app
[1:01] <Wegge> AlephTwo, https://pypi.python.org/pypi/websockets ?
[1:01] <AlephTwo> Depends upon your distro
[1:01] <AlephTwo> Wegge, thanks
[1:01] <CanDoo> i'm attempting to actuate the pins on a rpi grio expantion board.
[1:02] <parco> ok, i have one here with the distro, i'll try it out
[1:02] <AlephTwo> parco, if ssh-server is setup by default, you can use wigle on the android to find the pi (assuming net-connected).
[1:02] <parco> this is like apollo 13 shit
[1:02] <AlephTwo> Then scan services to see if port 22 is open on it
[1:02] <parco> its not net connected
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[1:03] <CanDoo> no ssh without net connection
[1:03] <parco> the r-pi has neither wifi or ethernet
[1:03] <parco> they can USB tether from the android?
[1:03] <AlephTwo> Then you could pull the sd card from the pi & drop it into a phone & edit the file there
[1:03] <AlephTwo> replace & reboot
[1:03] <Wegge> parco, Then I'm afraid they are up the creek withouta padddle
[1:04] <parco> AlephTwo: i thought the microsd shows up as a linux partition, and not editable
[1:04] <CanDoo> AlephTwo, is right
[1:04] <AlephTwo> Hmm. good point
[1:04] <AlephTwo> Does anybody have access to a linux-in-phone distro?
[1:04] <muldoon> anyone have experience wiring a stepper motor to a driver board? I do not understand the wiring schematic and would like another set of eyes on this. the motor is STM100, it has 4 wires, pair 1 being red/green the second channel being blue/yellow. the driver is a LN298, it has outputs of 1a, 1b, 2a, 2b. so red/green to 1a/1b? does polarity matter?
[1:04] <parco> all they need is to change the hdmi_drive=2 in the /boot/config.txt
[1:04] <parco> lol
[1:05] <parco> they have no sound
[1:05] <AlephTwo> parco http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2010/12/ext4-filesystem-hits-android-no-need-to-fear-data-loss/ may help
[1:05] <methuzla> muldoon scrollback. i responded.
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[1:05] <methuzla> parco that's on a fat partition
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[1:05] <AlephTwo> or that http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2424900
[1:06] <methuzla> parco so should be able to do as AlephTwo suggested
[1:06] <AlephTwo> need rooted device
[1:06] <parco> methuzla: nooo way
[1:06] <muldoon> methuzla, yes, and the motor scematic is http://www.canakit.com/Media/STM100.pdf wiring diagram in upper right
[1:08] <methuzla> muldoon OUT1 = Red, OUT2 = Green, OUT3 = Yellow, OUT4 = Blue
[1:08] <Wegge> muldoon, Interesting that the wires are shown on both the side andc front view :)
[1:09] <AlephTwo> parco If you can put the phone into usb debugging mode, maybe you can ssh in through usb... https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=12098
[1:09] <AlephTwo> if so, you could maybe upload the image to the cloud via phone & edit it yourself?
[1:09] <parco> awesome. imma try it out right now, flashing my own
[1:10] <parco> they are an hour away camping, and i set them up with a retropie distro
[1:10] <AlephTwo> They have a screen?
[1:10] <parco> yep
[1:10] <parco> some Olivia TV that needs that hdmi_drive=2 for the sound to work, go figure
[1:10] <AlephTwo> No virtual keyboard in retropie?
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[1:10] <parco> nope, they should totally add one
[1:10] <muldoon> methuzla, that makes sense.. I do not need to do anything with EnA and EnB correct?
[1:12] <methuzla> muldoon looks like those are on jumpers, so jumpers on = ENABLED, jumpers off = DISABLED
[1:13] <muldoon> methuzla, so I need to find some 2 pin jumpers to enable the motor driver? jees.. i havent seen those things in years
[1:13] <AlephTwo> parco One more option: Install linux on android and then mount the sd? http://linuxonandroid.org/
[1:16] <parco> they would have to use one phone to install it to the other phone
[1:16] <parco> :/
[1:17] <AlephTwo> Never said it would be easy :)
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[1:18] <methuzla> muldoon per the pictures on github, they are the pins between the two green connectors
[1:18] <methuzla> muldoon just need to short the two pins for P1 and the two pins for P2
[1:21] <AlephTwo> parco, it won't start w/o sound?
[1:21] <parco> no it starts, they just dont want to play retro games without sound
[1:21] <parco> bunch of princesses
[1:21] <methuzla> well, they are CAMPING with a TV
[1:21] <AlephTwo> I'm wondering if there is any way to connect to pi via usb?
[1:21] <parco> i tethered my phone to the Pi with USB tethering
[1:21] <AlephTwo> You have that?
[1:22] <parco> but now i'm trying to ssh into it
[1:22] <parco> how do i find the address
[1:22] <parco> yea they have android phones, with USB cables
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[1:22] <parco> android gives you the option to tether
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[1:22] <parco> but i dont know if rpi is setup to retrieve network via USB (by default)
[1:22] <AlephTwo> So, you can use the joystick to navigate the menu on retropie
[1:22] <parco> yes
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[1:23] <AlephTwo> I think that there was an option for desktop?
[1:23] <abakadabara> If I run a headless server, is it worth putting swap on video ram?
[1:23] <CanDoo> so does anyone have experience with gpio expantion boards?
[1:24] <parco> you can exit emulationstation, yes
[1:24] <methuzla> parco have you given up on the idea of just putting the sd card in the phone?
[1:24] * ozzzy camps with a TV, computers, queen bed, AC, furnace, shower....
[1:24] <CanDoo> i'm running a 1596 RGB LED matrix off gpio but need more pins
[1:24] <parco> methuzla: they have the new samsung s6, no microsd input ><
[1:24] <parco> haha
[1:24] <CanDoo> i need to also actuate 20 other led's indicually
[1:24] <parco> methuzla: it would have worked
[1:24] <abakadabara> CanDoo, could u wire up a breadboard to it?
[1:24] <CanDoo> yeah
[1:25] <parco> AlephTwo: exiting emulationstation brings you back to the terminal, but now how does one type
[1:25] <CanDoo> i have an GPIO expander with 32 outputs
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[1:25] <AlephTwo> from android?
[1:25] <abakadabara> maybe an arduino/freeduino board would be good a set up for u
[1:25] <CanDoo> i'm just having trouble getting wireingPi to play nice
[1:25] <abakadabara> you should be good to go then no?
[1:25] <abakadabara> oh, k
[1:25] <abakadabara> what's the trouble
[1:26] <CanDoo> i can't be sure wiringPi sees the chips on the expantion board.
[1:26] <CanDoo> and i'm confused about addressing indivual pins
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[1:26] <CanDoo> now i have no issues with the 27 GPIO on the pi
[1:27] <CanDoo> just the expantion board
[1:27] <CanDoo> i can poste a link to the expantion board if seeing it or reading the sample C
[1:27] <CanDoo> would help someone help me with the issue
[1:27] <CanDoo> however
[1:27] <CanDoo> this maybe a bit out of scope for this channel
[1:28] <abakadabara> wiringpi is C library = right? I don't have any experience with it. But I could set it up now and try and try recreate your set up
[1:28] <abakadabara> yeah can you post a link to the board pls
[1:29] <AlephTwo> parco, if you have tethered the pi to the phone, you can use fing on the phone to find the ip of all machines in the network. Then you can ssh in over the phone - I believe that ssh-server is installed by default, but not 100% positive.
[1:29] <methuzla> parco are there butterflies where they are camping?
[1:29] <CanDoo> abakadabara, sounds reasonable and i'm greatful
[1:30] <CanDoo> abakadabara, if you don't mind a pm, i can send the url for the board i have
[1:30] <CanDoo> it has examples i don't quite understand
[1:31] <CanDoo> but i should be able to address this board with the gpio executable that compiles with the wiringPI library
[1:32] <abakadabara> I'm reading over the library now
[1:32] <abakadabara> which board do you have?
[1:33] <parco> fing wont let me scan unless Wifi is enabled, and tethering won't enable unless Wifi is disabled
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[1:33] <parco> sheesh
[1:33] <parco> methuzla: yes there are
[1:33] <AlephTwo> use the other phone
[1:33] <methuzla> parco easy then http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/real_programmers.png
[1:33] <parco> lel
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[1:35] <parco> AlephTwo: use the other phone to scan the network?
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[1:35] <AlephTwo> You said that there were two phones
[1:35] <parco> there is no central router, they are all dinguses with there own network
[1:35] <parco> their*
[1:35] <AlephTwo> One phone is used as a hotspot. Connect via other phone (wifi) and scan ips
[1:36] <parco> but the phone that's connected to the rpi will be forced to have wifi turned off
[1:36] <AlephTwo> Ah. No wifi dongle on the pi?
[1:36] <abakadabara> CanDoo, go ahead
[1:36] <AlephTwo> Are you sure it's wifi=off and not wifi=hotspot?
[1:36] <CanDoo> thank you
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[1:37] <HotCoder> can someone explain to me the framework of sound output in rasp pi
[1:37] <HotCoder> i use a vnc
[1:37] <HotCoder> why cant i hear sound?
[1:37] <HotCoder> where can sound output be possible?
[1:37] <HotCoder> etc.
[1:37] <abakadabara> CanDoo, can u send me ur c script too pls
[1:37] <pmumble> i don't think vnc has sound
[1:37] <parco> AlephTwo: you're right
[1:37] <parco> mobile hotspot must be enabled first
[1:37] <CanDoo> it's at the bottom on that page
[1:38] <parco> then usb tether can be enabled
[1:38] <abakadabara> nice one
[1:38] <CanDoo> i'm trying to get that test code to address the pins
[1:38] <AlephTwo> excellent
[1:38] <HotCoder> is there anyone besides tawr who actually helps people on here
[1:38] <HotCoder> wow
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[1:38] <HotCoder> i asked the sound thing like 2 times already and no one even gave it a glance
[1:38] <AlephTwo> HotCoder, I think I may just have, but it was accidental
[1:38] <CanDoo> also i'm trying to get the gpio application that comes with wiringPI lib to address the board
[1:38] <pmumble> if you see above, i did reply
[1:39] <HotCoder> AlephTwo, yeah sucks when that happens
[1:39] <methuzla> HotCoder sound on linux = alsa (and then maybe pulseaudio)
[1:39] <CanDoo> wiringPI has modules for verious expantion chips and the one i have is supported
[1:39] <niston> HotCoder: try running alsamixer
[1:39] <HotCoder> pmumble, about the sound thing? no?
[1:39] <HotCoder> alsamixer? ok i'll look into that right now
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[1:39] <pmumble> but also, if you put "vnc sound" into a search engine, its pretty obvious that vnc doesn't support sound.
[1:39] <HotCoder> pmumble, but with other things you did. i liked it
[1:40] <HotCoder> i appreciate that
[1:40] <HotCoder> pmumble, and yeah thats why i asked, what supports sound :P
[1:40] <AlephTwo> HotCoder, you could maybe setup a sound server on the pi & connect seperately?
[1:40] <abakadabara> CanDoo, wow that's a sophisticated little set up you're working with
[1:41] <CanDoo> well hehe
[1:41] <HotCoder> aepmakes sense
[1:41] <HotCoder> AlephTwo,
[1:41] <CanDoo> here's the deal
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[1:41] <AlephTwo> cat /dev/audio out to a udp stream or something?
[1:42] <CanDoo> i useing three daisy chained 16x32 LED matrixes and the rpi-rgb-matrix library, it uses 13GPIO pins
[1:42] <CanDoo> i have another 20 buttons with led's in them,
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[1:43] <CanDoo> so the three daisy chained led matrixes are for an arcade machine
[1:43] <AlephTwo> candoo, how do they communicate?
[1:43] <CanDoo> and each button in the arcade machine has an LED in it
[1:43] <CanDoo> HUB75
[1:44] <CanDoo> so between the LED matrixes for the marque
[1:44] <AlephTwo> something like that? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZglGuMaKvpY&hd=1
[1:44] <CanDoo> and then i can blink or pwm each button and make patterns on the arcade control panel
[1:44] <CanDoo> and the pi will also run the emulation for the arcade machine
[1:44] <CanDoo> usieng a rpi2
[1:44] <AlephTwo> Just watched that vid myself. Bloody awesome
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[1:45] <AlephTwo> CanDoo, I suspect that you want to examine the approach from that video (github url: https://github.com/hzeller/rpi-matrix-pixelpusher )
[1:46] <CanDoo> http://www.adafruit.com/product/420 i have three of these
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[1:46] <CanDoo> python
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[1:47] <abakadabara> CanDoo, there really isnt enough documentation on this. I'm tryna creat a similar set up and I'm gonna do some testing so I can effectively try and help. But itl take longer than a few minutes. Keep working at it, and I'll try bring hack some more
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[1:47] <abakadabara> bring back some more info*
[1:47] <CanDoo> i'm in no hurry
[1:47] <CanDoo> even if it takes days/weeks
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[1:48] <abakadabara> We'll be good ; )
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[1:48] <CanDoo> AlephTwo, that is for networking and useing an android or such app to push small images to the matrix
[1:48] <parco> lost cause, i told them to work their charm and find someone with an android phone that takes an sd card
[1:48] <CanDoo> my stuff will be deamonized and run on the pi
[1:48] <parco> which means they wont be playing with sound
[1:50] <AlephTwo> CanDoo, http://sourceforge.net/p/raspberry-gpio-python/wiki/PWM/ and https://github.com/mattdh666/rpi-led-matrix-panel will help
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[1:51] <HotCoder> question for you guys
[1:51] <HotCoder> how do i delete apps in linux?
[1:51] <HotCoder> uninstall
[1:51] <HotCoder> that i installed by sudo -
[1:51] <AlephTwo> CanDoo, and this https://learn.adafruit.com/16x32-rgb-display-with-raspberry-pi-part-2/software
[1:51] <Berg> apt-get purge or reemove
[1:52] <Berg> remove
[1:52] <CanDoo> i'v got the led matrtix working fine
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[1:52] <Berg> sudo apt-get remove 'programname'
[1:52] <HotCoder> ok
[1:52] <HotCoder> thank you so much!
[1:52] <CanDoo> on the rpi2's GPIOs
[1:52] <Berg> if you wont a total remove use purge
[1:52] <Berg> welcome HotCoder
[1:53] <HotCoder> berg total remove of what?
[1:53] <CanDoo> i want to move the gpios i'm useing from the rpi2 40pin connector
[1:53] <HotCoder> berg total remove of the app?
[1:53] <Berg> all dependant files too
[1:53] <HotCoder> ok thanks
[1:53] <CanDoo> to a gpio expantion board i have that has an addtional 32 gpios
[1:53] <methuzla> parco "they are an hour away camping" do they have cars? you just spent most of an hour here.
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[1:54] <methuzla> HotCoder sudo apt-get --purge remove <packagename>
[1:55] <HotCoder> both purge and remove
[1:55] <methuzla> or one line as above
[1:55] <Berg> i had a dog nnamed purge i shot it
[1:56] <CanDoo> i'm pretty sure not many people have used the gpio expantion board i have
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[1:56] <CanDoo> much less use it to drive an LED matrix based on hub75
[1:56] <CanDoo> and then drive 20 indivual LED's
[1:57] <AlephTwo> How do you access the gpio board?
[1:57] <CanDoo> well right now thats what i'm working on, i have the basic rpi2 gpios driving the led matrix now
[1:58] <CanDoo> the board's manufacturer shows a example useing wiringPi to access the chips used on the expantions board
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[1:58] <CanDoo> sr595 74HC595's
[1:58] <CanDoo> but i'vb not been able to get wiringPI to actuate the pins on the board
[1:59] <achromat> Hey #raspberrypi. Never knew there was a channel here for pi discussion. Just introducing myself. :D
[2:00] <CanDoo> sup
[2:00] <CanDoo> i'm new here also
[2:00] <CanDoo> i'm also in alot of other channels here though
[2:00] <AlephTwo> So you are dumping through shift registers?
[2:00] <CanDoo> verious interests
[2:00] <CanDoo> AlephTwo, basically yes
[2:00] <achromat> Same. I'm in the process of moving though so I haven't been on irc much at all lately.
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[2:01] <Tach[Away]> you can use 74HC595s on the SPI bus
[2:01] <niston> interesting movie about jet engines: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VfomloUg2Gw
[2:01] <CanDoo> wiringPI has a program that is compiled with the library called gpio with gpio you can manually rise and lower the pins
[2:01] <Tach[Away]> and just need a latch signal (and optioanlly chip select)
[2:02] <Tach[Away]> although you can just wire chip select active and just latch immediately after you've sent the appropriate data, will work that way
[2:02] <CanDoo> Tach[Away], i have an expantion board with four 74HC595's on the SPI bus
[2:02] <Tach[Away]> oh okay
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[2:02] <CanDoo> 32 pins
[2:02] <Tach[Away]> I did a similar interface myself for keyboard scanning when making my own keyboard
[2:02] <CanDoo> i am trying to use wriingPI to talk to the pins though
[2:02] <Tach[Away]> ahh, don't know wiringpi, sorry -.-
[2:02] <AlephTwo> do you have the board spec?
[2:02] <CanDoo> how did you address the pins?
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[2:03] <AlephTwo> manufacturer/model/etc?
[2:03] <CanDoo> AlephTwo, http://www.bananapi.com/index.php/purchase/2-uncategorised/36-banana-pi-io-extend-board
[2:04] <Tach[Away]> if wiringpi isnt' working I'd wonder about latancy
[2:04] <CanDoo> Tach[Away], thats my fear
[2:04] <CanDoo> but it's attached directly to the spi bus
[2:04] <CanDoo> and i ahve the spi kernel modules loaded
[2:04] <AlephTwo> then frequency maybe?
[2:04] <Tach[Away]> and you are sending the data over spi then activating latch
[2:05] <Tach[Away]> I dunno, I've run 74HC595s at 8MHz beore on SPI
[2:05] <Tach[Away]> not sure how fast the pi spi is
[2:05] <CanDoo> i'm attempting to use the example on that page
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[2:05] <CanDoo> accoridng to the page i can go upto 100mhz
[2:05] <Tach[Away]> good lord
[2:05] <CanDoo> although i feel thats doubtful
[2:05] <AlephTwo> WHere's it failing?
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[2:05] <Tach[Away]> oh wel,l, I only know up to 8 works, lol
[2:05] <CanDoo> lol
[2:05] <AlephTwo> Do you get partial success with the displays or a total crap out?
[2:05] <CanDoo> i have no idea where fail is
[2:06] <CanDoo> i'v never used SPI before
[2:06] <AlephTwo> Drop some print statements for a quick & dirty debug
[2:06] <AlephTwo> See where the script stops working
[2:06] <CanDoo> the thing is. reguarding SPI there isn't much feedback
[2:06] <AlephTwo> True.
[2:06] <AlephTwo> Have you tried two boards only?
[2:06] <Tach[Away]> you are toggling the latch after sending the data though aye?
[2:07] <Tach[Away]> I'd expect to see /something/ on the display if that were working
[2:07] <AlephTwo> Do you have enough bits to fill your array?
[2:07] <Tach[Away]> even if it were garbage
[2:07] <CanDoo> Tach[Away], i think wrigingPI does that as part of the pullup or pulldown
[2:07] <Tach[Away]> it might do chip select itself
[2:07] <CanDoo> hmm
[2:07] <Tach[Away]> it won't do latch as that's 595 specific
[2:07] <Tach[Away]> you'll have to do that yourself
[2:07] <CanDoo> wrigingPI has a 595 specific module
[2:08] <Tach[Away]> oh, never mind then, lol
[2:08] <CanDoo> as part of it's library
[2:08] <Tach[Away]> AlephTwo, is your name related to AlephOne, the old acorn company?
[2:08] <AlephTwo> sorry no. Old game handle
[2:08] <Tach[Away]> I've alwys rolled my own, didn't realise it was built in
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[2:08] <CanDoo> i should roll my own, i'm not sure my C-FU is that good though.
[2:08] <AlephTwo> inspired from Snow Crash (but Aleph One was taken). Ah, my feckless youth.
[2:10] <CanDoo> i run the pi and all the led's matrixes and the amp for the speakers in the archade machine off a atx power supply
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[2:10] <CanDoo> my next project is to get the pi to talk to the atx powersupply with ACPI
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[2:11] <nomis> not sure how they arrive at 100mhz. The datasheet of a philips 74hc595 specifies a max frequency of 24mhz
[2:12] <nomis> resp. nxp.
[2:12] <CanDoo> x4
[2:12] <CanDoo> the board has four 595's
[2:13] <nomis> aren't they daisy chained?
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[2:13] <CanDoo> yeah
[2:13] <CanDoo> hehe
[2:14] <ShorTie> don't think the 2 wiringPi's are the same, so that code isn't gonna work on the pi's wiringPi
[2:14] <CanDoo> well
[2:14] <CanDoo> ok ShorTie i'd agree
[2:14] <CanDoo> except
[2:14] <AlephTwo> Can't you just push the data through in a large array?
[2:14] <CanDoo> the cample company makes a board for the rpi
[2:14] <ShorTie> easy to tell
[2:14] <CanDoo> same layout and everything
[2:15] <CanDoo> except PCB is red
[2:15] <ShorTie> just do a diff of the 2
[2:15] <CanDoo> true
[2:15] <CanDoo> let me grab wiringBP
[2:16] <CanDoo> the Bpi and the rpi is GPIO identical
[2:16] <CanDoo> as far as i can tell
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[2:16] <AlephTwo> Tach[Away], I thought that the point of shift registers was to allow you to pump the data through in one bust each cycle?
[2:17] <Tach[Away]> it's serial to parallel
[2:17] <AlephTwo> ah. array of arrays type-of thing?
[2:17] <Tach[Away]> sos you'd need as many cycles as there are bits
[2:17] <Tach[Away]> plus one more for latch
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[2:17] <AlephTwo> kk
[2:18] <Tach[Away]> what I really like about 595s is it's possible to daisychain them with no additional pins needed
[2:18] <AlephTwo> But you send the data through as an array stream, 3 bits for each pixel no?
[2:18] <CanDoo> right the daisy chain is nice
[2:18] <Tach[Away]> in my case I sent 16 bits of data for 10 keyboard columns, 2x4 dipswitches and 4 status LEDs
[2:18] <Tach[Away]> btu it depends what you're doing
[2:18] <CanDoo> right now i use rpi-rgb-led-matrix lib to drive my LED matrixes through the rpi's GPIOs
[2:19] <Tach[Away]> but if it's RGB, then yes, you will need 3 bits per led
[2:19] <CanDoo> but that lib doesn't suppor the expantion board
[2:19] <methuzla> "the Bpi and the rpi is GPIO identical" no. totally different soc.
[2:19] <nomis> CanDoo: you probably want to stick to the RPi-GPIOs for the Hub75 panels
[2:19] <CanDoo> i can do that
[2:20] <CanDoo> and put the other 20 LED"s on the expantion board's pins
[2:20] <nomis> CanDoo: the shift registers in the expansion board will make stuff too slow for the panels, you'd need to worry about flickering then.
[2:20] <CanDoo> the other 20 led's are inside buttons
[2:20] <CanDoo> monnis your right.
[2:20] <CanDoo> nomis,
[2:21] <CanDoo> Tach[Away], mentioned before latency issues
[2:21] <CanDoo> and your both right
[2:21] <CanDoo> my quesiton is this
[2:21] <CanDoo> can i pwm in pins on the 595s
[2:22] <CanDoo> i wanted to psm the led's in the buttons
[2:22] <CanDoo> and make cool patterns on the arcade control panel
[2:22] <Tach[Away]> you don't really have to worry about flickering
[2:22] <Tach[Away]> firstly there's a latch
[2:22] <Tach[Away]> so they'll all update at once
[2:23] <Tach[Away]> and secondly, even at 8MHz, that's 8 million bits of updates/second possible, unless you're going for a stadium sized LED screen I'd think there'd be enough time -.o
[2:23] <CanDoo> the latch just closes all the si-gates at once right?
[2:23] <nomis> CanDoo: the 595s have an update frequency of 25mhz, i.e. you can update all outputs with a frequency of 24MHz / 32 = 750kHz. That is plenty for individual LEDs.
[2:23] <Tach[Away]> it copies the data in the buffers to the outputs
[2:23] <CanDoo> sorry if i sould like i'm talking out my ass
[2:23] <Tach[Away]> on teh 595s
[2:24] <Tach[Away]> where did that /32 come from?
[2:24] <nomis> Tach[Away]: you need 32 clocks to shift in the data for the 32 output pins on the 4 595s.
[2:24] <CanDoo> 32 pins
[2:25] <CanDoo> although thy update all at once
[2:25] <Tach[Away]> oh right, yes
[2:25] <Tach[Away]> as I said, plenty fast enough, interesting to know 25MHz is the limit
[2:25] <Tach[Away]> I'll keep that in mind -.o
[2:26] <Tach[Away]> never gone above 8 myself
[2:26] <CanDoo> hehe. i also use a a board for IR communications
[2:26] <CanDoo> but the expantion board and the IR board both have gpio passthrough
[2:26] <Tach[Away]> as I handed off keyboard scanning duties to a 328P so it could scan the keyboard and said serial data to the main system
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[2:26] <CanDoo> i just had to be sure they were not usieng the same gpios onthe pi
[2:26] <Tach[Away]> and that was as high as it could go
[2:26] <CanDoo> they arn't
[2:26] <Tach[Away]> s/said/send/
[2:27] <AlephTwo> So. I just remembered that I have a rainbowduino and 8x8 rgb led matrix. Easiest way to get it working on the pi? I'm assuming spi to the rainbowduino?
[2:28] <CanDoo> i like HUB75 though
[2:28] <CanDoo> as an interface for LED matrixes
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[2:28] <Tach[Away]> I wanted to make a 16x16x16x3 display then realised that'd actually be 12288 elements for a fairly small 3d cube, haha
[2:29] <Tach[Away]> adds up quick playing with such things
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[2:29] <Sonny_Jim> Has anyone had any experience of using IDA?
[2:30] <Sonny_Jim> I'm wondering if a block of code doesn't have any xref's associated with it, if that means it's just dummied out code or if it's possible for IDA to not find all the xrefs
[2:30] <CanDoo> has no idea
[2:31] <achromat> I have no idea.
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[2:32] <CanDoo> is this channel usually this active?
[2:32] <Sonny_Jim> It varies
[2:32] <Sonny_Jim> It's not as active as it once was
[2:33] * Sonny_Jim mourns the loss of gordondrogon
[2:35] <CanDoo> nod
[2:35] <CanDoo> btw thanks for all the help and ideas so far
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[2:36] <Klong> Tach[Away]: I have made a 3d cube
[2:36] <CanDoo> i was afraid i was asking soemthing a bit far out of scope on the channel
[2:37] <methuzla> Klong are there any other kind?
[2:37] <Tach[Away]> hypercubes
[2:37] <AlephTwo> CanDoo, I ask and wait to be kicked :)
[2:37] <Klong> lol
[2:37] * Tach[Away] whacks methuzla with the fourth spatial dimension
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[2:37] <Klong> only 4x4x4 tho
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[2:37] <TaZeR> guys ive been trying to get this so called $30 mini computer for years now, is this some kidna hoax?
[2:38] <Tach[Away]> no
[2:38] <TaZeR> its not in any retail stores and not in any online shops
[2:38] <Tach[Away]> it's in both
[2:38] <TaZeR> how do u buy this thing??
[2:38] <Tach[Away]> you're not looking in the right places
[2:38] <Tach[Away]> there's also people selling them on ebay
[2:38] <TaZeR> i see a version 2 now and iwant it really bad
[2:38] <TaZeR> i dont trust ebay never used it
[2:38] <Tach[Away]> then that's your own problem
[2:38] <TaZeR> i wanna buy it from a normal computer store
[2:38] <nomis> TaZeR: which country do you live?
[2:38] <Tach[Away]> the devies are there
[2:38] <TaZeR> or from the company
[2:38] <AlephTwo> TaZeR, rs component
[2:38] <CanDoo> amazon sells them
[2:38] <TaZeR> im from Canada
[2:38] <TaZeR> Toronto
[2:39] <Klong> I got most of mine in a electronics store that sells them
[2:39] <TaZeR> ill check amazon.ca
[2:39] <TaZeR> but i think i have already
[2:39] <AlephTwo> TaZeR, http://www.buyapi.ca/
[2:39] <AlephTwo> btw. camera module=amazing!
[2:39] <TaZeR> oh yea i remember amazon has it but at more than 2x the price stated elsewher
[2:39] <TaZeR> AlephTwo: checking that out
[2:40] <TaZeR> how do i know there legit though?
[2:40] <TaZeR> some kid coulda made that site, i never heard of this buyapi
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[2:41] <TaZeR> this is the kinda stuff thats always stopped me from buying it, only sketchy palces sell it or legit ones at 2x the price
[2:41] <TaZeR> amazon has it for $64
[2:41] <TaZeR> but its supposed to be a $35 computer
[2:41] <TaZeR> why doesnt bestbuy have it?
[2:41] <Sonny_Jim> Is that for a Pi1 or a Pi2?
[2:41] <Sonny_Jim> You might find that prices for the Pi1 are artificially high
[2:41] <AlephTwo> buyapi.ca has a valid ssl cert. that helps
[2:41] <TaZeR> for a pi2 b
[2:42] <Sonny_Jim> Does it come with anything?
[2:42] <TaZeR> nah just the board: http://www.amazon.ca/Raspberry-Pi-100437_2-Model-1GB/dp/B00T2U7R7I/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1432341559&sr=8-3&keywords=raspberrypi
[2:42] <Klong> Camera module is nice if you want to make timelapses
[2:42] <nomis> TaZeR: that'd be 35 USD, while you are looking at CAD. Also consider tax which is most likely not incorporated into the 35USD.
[2:42] <TaZeR> us dollers arnt double the value
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[2:43] <TaZeR> like 15%+
[2:43] <achromat> How much is this camera module you speak of?
[2:43] <Sonny_Jim> http://canada.newark.com/raspberry-pi-accessories
[2:43] <TaZeR> the tax isnt included in that either
[2:43] <Sonny_Jim> That's $42 and you can get a 15% discount
[2:43] <achromat> Thanks Sonny_Jim.
[2:44] <AlephTwo> achromat, depends upon location. dx.com has a compatible for about $25
[2:45] <AlephTwo> https://www.raspberrypi.org/products/camera-module/
[2:45] <achromat> Cool, I'll look into all the links provided.
[2:45] <methuzla> TaZeR note that you can get a B+ for even cheaper ($32 cdn)
[2:45] <AlephTwo> set one up today. awesome websocket media stream (after a bit of faffing about). Now I need to figure out how to grab that stream in python on my pc
[2:46] <TaZeR> methuzla: but where?
[2:46] <AlephTwo> ... hence the lurking here
[2:46] <TaZeR> i just want for the regular price, doesnt have to be cheaper
[2:46] <AlephTwo> http://www.canadarobotix.com/raspberry-pi-board/1426-raspberry-pi-2-model-b-1gb
[2:46] <methuzla> TaZeR http://canada.newark.com/raspberry-pi/raspberry-modb-512m/raspberry-pi-model-b-board/dp/68X0155
[2:47] <AlephTwo> $48 CAD
[2:47] <methuzla> TaZeR pi2 is the newest model, this made the foundation drop the price on the "older" models
[2:48] <methuzla> TaZeR https://www.raspberrypi.org/blog/#price-cut-raspberry-pi-model-b-now-only-25
[2:48] <TaZeR> i want the pi2 though
[2:48] <TaZeR> are they trust worthy AlephTwo? the canada robotix
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[2:48] <AlephTwo> no idea
[2:48] <AlephTwo> I live in Greece and take my chances with this dodgy lot
[2:49] <TaZeR> looks pretty legit ill get it for that price if nothing comes up on scamreports
[2:49] <ozzzy> AlephTwo, are you a smuggler, fish dynamiter or tax evader?
[2:49] <nomis> TaZeR: http://canada.newark.com/raspberry-pi-accessories?ICID=HP-R1-B1-Rasp-Pi
[2:49] * ozzzy ducks and runs
[2:49] <AlephTwo> So far, if you don't put your cc# into a .ru or .cz domain without really knowing what you are doing, you are probably ok if they use ssl and/or paypal
[2:50] <CanDoo> hmm
[2:50] <AlephTwo> I'm currently taking a break between jobs, messing with my pi's
[2:50] <CanDoo> i could be a pixel smuggler
[2:50] <ozzzy> or a bug evader
[2:50] <AlephTwo> Thinking about moving back to UK in a few months
[2:50] <AlephTwo> 20 years lazy bastard by the beach, more lije
[2:50] <AlephTwo> *like
[2:50] <TaZeR> thanks nomis
[2:50] <ozzzy> hehe
[2:50] * ozzzy doesn't do beaches
[2:50] <ozzzy> too much sand, too much sun
[2:50] <nomis> CanDoo: pixel pushers: http://www.home.unix-ag.org/simon/files/pixelpusher.html
[2:50] <AlephTwo> The scuba/snorkelling was great for the first few years
[2:51] <CanDoo> heh
[2:51] <AlephTwo> Then the drinking...
[2:51] <AlephTwo> oh wait, that was there before :)
[2:51] <achromat> Haha.
[2:51] <CanDoo> i get random flicker on my LED matrix
[2:51] <CanDoo> i might need a buffer
[2:51] <CanDoo> on the 3.3v output
[2:51] <TaZeR> hopefully one day soon ill be able to be "messin" wit my pi2
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[2:52] <achromat> Anyone powering their pi from a usb powered hub?
[2:52] <AlephTwo> I've been waiting for my camera to arrive so that I can hopefully play with a live 30fps video stream from my pc with simplecv, but this is proving challenging (as I'm fairly determined to do it using the V4L websocket)
[2:52] <nomis> CanDoo: 74hct245 do the trick for me.
[2:53] <methuzla> TaZeR newark is most definitely legit
[2:53] <AlephTwo> Once you have 30fps streaming, you can do fairly fun computer vision stuff on a decent pc.
[2:53] <nomis> CanDoo: make sure to use the HC*T* variant
[2:53] <CanDoo> gotcha
[2:53] <achromat> AlephTwo: computer vision stuff?
[2:53] <AlephTwo> yup
[2:53] <CanDoo> i'm gonn have to buy some perf board
[2:53] <achromat> What do you mean by computer vision?
[2:54] <AlephTwo> I want to be able to recognise certain objects in the video stream
[2:54] <AlephTwo> wheels, cats, w/e
[2:54] <nomis> (hc has 0.7*vcc threshold for high level, which is dodgy for vcc=5v and pi-levels of 3.3v)
[2:54] <achromat> Ahh.
[2:54] <AlephTwo> As soon as I can get enough video of my cat, I can train a haar cascade and track her with the pan-tilt system
[2:54] <AlephTwo> (with hopefully some laser pointer fun also)
[2:55] <achromat> Haha. That would be brillant.
[2:55] <AlephTwo> < lazy cat owner
[2:56] <ozzzy> liar... cats don't have owners... they have staff
[2:56] <AlephTwo> Yup, and they demand laser pointer time
[2:56] <AlephTwo> <lazy
[2:56] <shiftplusone> ali1234, I bet you'll know this... Any idea what sort of sampling frequency do you need to be able to demodulate composite video into something useful? Would it be easier if you had the chroma and luma already in separate channels?
[2:56] <ali1234> it depends on your definition of "useful"
[2:57] <ali1234> you can get black and white low res pictures at 2MHz
[2:57] <shiftplusone> ah, damn.
[2:57] <ali1234> with separate chroma and luma you could get low res colour :)
[2:58] <ali1234> but we are talking about analogue video
[2:58] <achromat> I'll have to order one of these camera modules. Sounds like fun.
[2:58] <AlephTwo> shiftplusone, gnuradio may help you there, bizarrely enough.
[2:58] <ali1234> whatever sample rate you use is what horizontal resolution you will get
[2:58] <shiftplusone> I was pondering capturing video from a c64 using a pi, but I guess a simple usb capture card just makes more sense.
[2:58] <shiftplusone> But I suspect those introduce a fair bit of latency
[2:58] <achromat> I have 6 pi's right now. 3 are doing nothing. :/
[2:58] <AlephTwo> gnuradio on the pi could probably demodulate it for you
[2:59] <ali1234> capturing the colour burst is the only tricky part
[2:59] <ali1234> and you avoid that on s-video
[2:59] <ali1234> http://www.rtl-sdr.com/analogue-tv-with-rtl-sdr/
[2:59] <ali1234> that's the type of quality you'll get at 2MHz
[2:59] <shiftplusone> I've played around with gnuradio and rtlsdr a little bit. I guess it could help me learn how video is modulated in the first place.
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[3:00] <ali1234> analogue video isn't modulated at all
[3:00] <AlephTwo> I was browsing some defcon/blackhat/hamradio vids for the past few days
[3:00] <shiftplusone> well, shows how clueless I am
[3:00] <ali1234> it's literally just an analogue waveform
[3:00] <nomis> ali1234: what do you think does "modulate" mean?
[3:01] <AlephTwo> ali1234, gnuradio is basically a signal processing workflow. pipe in the video signal and tansform into pixel data
[3:01] <ali1234> nomis: varying a periodic waveform to encode a signal within it
[3:01] <shiftplusone> AlephTwo, what sampling frequency can it handle with an rtlsdr chipset and a normal pc?
[3:02] <ali1234> shiftplusone: rtl-sdr can only go up to 2MHz
[3:02] <shiftplusone> ah
[3:02] <AlephTwo> I have a cheap, crappy chinese sdr dongle. I get 2MHz
[3:02] <ali1234> it's actually 2.3MHz or something
[3:02] <ali1234> i don't remember
[3:02] <shiftplusone> Could be educational for me, but not very useful for the original idea =(
[3:02] <CanDoo> i hate the idea of having to buffer the output for this matrix
[3:02] <AlephTwo> But depending upon your knowledge, you can get larger bandwith by either having more dongles or doing fancy stuff with antenna/more kit
[3:03] <CanDoo> but i need to have a fairly lengthy cable
[3:03] <ali1234> in order to get composite video into an RTL-SDR you have to modulate it first, into RF
[3:03] <ali1234> you can do this with any games console RF adapter, i actually did this when making raspi-teletext
[3:03] <shiftplusone> I believe the c64 has RF out as well.
[3:03] <AlephTwo> to get composite into gnuradio, you have to give it a signal
[3:03] <ali1234> ah yes it does
[3:03] <CanDoo> the trl_SDR doen'st have enough bandwidth to reciever modulated color video
[3:03] <CanDoo> rtl_sdr
[3:04] <CanDoo> only black and white and then not very good.
[3:04] <AlephTwo> http://www.rtl-sdr.com/analogue-tv-with-rtl-sdr/
[3:04] <CanDoo> rtl_sdr only has a 2.5mhz or so bandwidth
[3:04] <AlephTwo> so b/w only, really without upgrading the kit
[3:04] <CanDoo> btw i love rtl_sdr
[3:05] <nomis> ali1234: I guess the point I was trying to make is that the color information is modulated onto the black/white signal, as well as the hsync/vsync information is modulated onto the signal.
[3:05] <CanDoo> i built a repeater with an RTL_SDR and a old mobile GMRS rig
[3:05] <ali1234> nomis: it isn't though
[3:05] <nomis> ali1234: huh?
[3:05] * shiftplusone wonders if there's a composite or chroma+luma to CSI chip >.>
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[3:06] <ali1234> sync is done by sending 0V
[3:06] <ali1234> colour is done by sending a colour burst which synchonizes the decoder
[3:06] <ali1234> there's no modulated data anywhere in composite video
[3:06] <nomis> ali1234: I don't understand how this is not modulation.
[3:06] <AlephTwo> shiftplusone, there was a blackhat/defcon 2014 video which demo'd some higher-bandwidth rtl-sdr devices, as well as demoing techniques to split the bandwidth between two or more
[3:07] <ali1234> nomis: there is no periodic carrier wave
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[3:07] <shiftplusone> AlephTwo, that's cool and all but a bit too much for where I was going with this.
[3:08] <Sonny_Jim> CanDoo: I don't see you in ##rtlsdr, heresy!
[3:08] <ali1234> now if you take a composite video signal and modulate a UHF carrier wave using it, then you've got broadcast TV
[3:08] <shiftplusone> I will probably buy a few rtlsdr dongles (left my one behind in Australia) to play around with.
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[3:08] <AlephTwo> shiftplusone, I am waiting for an upsampler so that I can play in other frequencies
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[3:08] <ali1234> shiftplusone: pimoroni is selling them now
[3:08] <tchiwam> Quick question about pps... I have the kernel from the firmware and the pps works fine with the config.txt line. If I use the same .config and pull the kernel from github, it won't work
[3:09] <shiftplusone> oh, wow
[3:09] <ali1234> takes the guesswork out of buying mystery tuners
[3:09] <tchiwam> any idea of what is the new param to give modprobe pps_gpio ...
[3:09] <CanDoo> lol
[3:09] <CanDoo> i was in rtlsdr a few months ago
[3:09] <CanDoo> i also did alot of spectrum stuff with rtl_sdr
[3:10] <shiftplusone> woo http://shop.pimoroni.com/products/mini-digital-tv-stick
[3:10] <CanDoo> including a portable rpi touchscreen rtl_sdr
[3:10] <CanDoo> usieng gnuradio
[3:10] <ali1234> nomis: to put it another way, you don't need a demodulator to display a composite video signal... you can literally connect it directly to your oscilloscope and set it to trigger on 0V and get a picture
[3:10] <AlephTwo> that was you!? I was browsing that stuff recently. No touchscreen though :(
[3:10] <shiftplusone> that antenna doesn't look like it would do anything, but sstill
[3:10] <CanDoo> oh i never write articals or such
[3:11] <ali1234> yeah those antennas are terrible
[3:11] <CanDoo> i just had the idea nad built it
[3:11] <AlephTwo> shiftplusone, that's where they suck you into their world
[3:11] <ali1234> the thing about rtl-sdr though is that it can't do HF, which is where most of the interesting stuff is
[3:11] <CanDoo> used a dipole as an antenna
[3:11] <AlephTwo> first, it's a new antenna. Then it's an upconverter
[3:11] <ali1234> you need an extra bit of hardware to make it do that
[3:11] <shiftplusone> heh
[3:11] <CanDoo> i use a wide band 30 to 1300mhz antennea for rtl_sdr
[3:11] <AlephTwo> then more antennas
[3:11] <CanDoo> i also did some digital mode decoding
[3:11] <nomis> ali1234: that is just the monochrome image though. The color information is modulated onto subcarriers AFAIK.
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[3:12] <CanDoo> motorola p25 and stuff like that
[3:12] <CanDoo> and pager stuff
[3:12] <AlephTwo> Damn, I need to learn about antennas and up/down converting :/ Bloody HAM's
[3:12] <AlephTwo> Secret magic antenna stuff :(
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[3:12] <ozzzy> 10km of wire... a big-ass variable capacitor.... giv'er shit
[3:13] <Sonny_Jim> AlephTwo: Build a QFH antenna out of bamboo sticks and bits of coax, you can receive weather satellites
[3:13] <AlephTwo> Sonny_Jim, linky link?
[3:13] <ali1234> nomis: yes, you're right
[3:13] <Sonny_Jim> AlephTwo: http://www.g4ilo.com/qfh.html
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[3:14] <methuzla> shiftplusone so what is the C64 / rpi mashup project about?
[3:14] <ali1234> nomis: however with s-video or RGB/component, there is again no modulation
[3:14] <shiftplusone> methuzla, no idea... originally I just wanted to emulate a datasette and a cartridge... maybe a disk drive.
[3:15] <shiftplusone> using a pi, since those interfaces are very simple... but then I got to thinking about how to actually display stuff and whether there's a way to get video from the c64 to the pi
[3:15] <AlephTwo> shiftplusone, simplest solution is what you suggested earlier. Capture the video with a card and utilise the video stream
[3:15] <shiftplusone> maybe hack around the actual video chip?... hmm
[3:15] <AlephTwo> Or you could use an emulator
[3:15] <nomis> ali1234: possible, I am by no means an data encoding expert. I just like nit-picking :)
[3:16] <nomis> ali1234: (and the nit-picker in me wonders if one could argue that the image information is modulated onto a the periodic sync signal :)
[3:16] <nomis> but that is more about language than about technical details.
[3:17] <AlephTwo> http://c65gs.blogspot.gr/2014/09/remotely-view-and-interact-awkwardly.html and vnc (assuming internet)?
[3:17] <AlephTwo> nomis, I thought sync was done by horizontal and vertical refresh?
[3:17] <ali1234> carrier wave is typically higher frequency than the data it carries
[3:17] <AlephTwo> Over composite
[3:18] <ali1234> anyway if you want to capture the video from a c64, just use a USB capture card
[3:18] <nomis> AlephTwo: with composite it still is "encoded" into a single electrical connection.
[3:19] <CanDoo> i'm back
[3:19] <AlephTwo> one pin?
[3:19] <nomis> AlephTwo: yeah.
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[3:19] <AlephTwo> So, if you can sample the gpio pin fast enough, you could decode the signal?
[3:19] <CanDoo> now i do have my ham it up downconverter
[3:19] <CanDoo> i'v been meaning to use it
[3:19] <AlephTwo> If you have played with gnuradio-companion, I'm sure you could use that
[3:19] <shiftplusone> that VIC-II chip looks relatively simple to emulate, I think.
[3:20] <CanDoo> hehe VIC-II
[3:20] <nomis> AlephTwo: yes.
[3:20] <AlephTwo> take the single-pin input and play with the various gnuradio blocks
[3:20] <CanDoo> i have a VIC-20
[3:20] <ali1234> AlephTwo: 1. you need analogue samples and 2. you need to sample at 10MHz to get anything useful
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[3:20] <AlephTwo> Do you know the propeller microcontroller at all?
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[3:21] <ali1234> no
[3:21] <CanDoo> hehe
[3:21] <ali1234> i only know AVR
[3:21] <ali1234> and a little PIC
[3:21] <AlephTwo> 8-core. It can generate & transmit a composite video source, I'm wondering if it can reverse the process.
[3:22] <AlephTwo> https://www.parallax.com/catalog/microcontrollers/propeller
[3:22] <AlephTwo> Not really played with them yet
[3:22] <ali1234> if it can sample the ADC at ~10MHz then yes
[3:22] <ali1234> but the AVR can do this too
[3:22] <nomis> AlephTwo: AD-converters on the AVR need quite a few cycles.
[3:22] <ali1234> for some things you don't even need high frequency sampling
[3:23] <shiftplusone> found very detailed description of the chip... now I just need to learn German.
[3:23] <ali1234> http://nootropicdesign.com/ve/
[3:23] <nomis> AlephTwo: for generating composite signals you typically use a resistor array for fast DA conversion. The other way around is not so easy.
[3:23] <nomis> shiftplusone: Da kann ich helfen.
[3:23] <CanDoo> i want to take the crystal from a SDR_RTL and replace it with an oven disciplined one offf ebay
[3:23] <CanDoo> to minimize drift
[3:23] <CanDoo> it's on my list of todo's
[3:24] <CanDoo> i could go on and on aobut rtl_sdr
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[3:25] <AlephTwo> well, 04:30 means bedtime. Have fun guys & thanks for the assistance
[3:25] <shiftplusone> nomis, well... I did 2 years of German in high school and all I remember is "Nein, das ist mein hamburger!", which doesn't help here.
[3:25] <CanDoo> nice meeting you AlephTwo
[3:26] <nomis> heh, I once did a few experiments with rtl_sdr to decode some 868mhz home automation RF-signals. Didn't come very far.
[3:26] <AlephTwo> I'll be back (said in a thick, Austrian accent)
[3:26] * ozzzy doesn't even know what rtlsdr is
[3:26] <nomis> AlephTwo: how is it 4:30 in austria?
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[3:27] <nomis> eh. That was a Terminator reference. *clunk*
[3:27] <CanDoo> ozzzy, software defined radio useing a reaktek SDR on a chip
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[3:27] <CanDoo> fond in cheap european USB tv tuner dongles
[3:27] <ozzzy> ahhh
[3:27] <ozzzy> I have a Hauppage
[3:27] <CanDoo> myy RTL_SDR mame arcade cabinet?
[3:28] <CanDoo> hmm
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[3:29] <CanDoo> the other day when i first got my LED matrixes in the mail i wired vcc and ground backwords
[3:29] <CanDoo> and repleased the blue smoke
[3:29] <shiftplusone> actually, would anyone happen to know of a chip that would convert analogue video to something a pi would understand clearly at 320 � 200 ?
[3:29] <CanDoo> released
[3:29] <ali1234> nomis: double the clock rate, it will probably work: https://github.com/ali1234/avr-433
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[3:29] <ali1234> shiftplusone: a very fast SPI ADC
[3:30] <CanDoo> what frame rate?
[3:30] <ali1234> you can then sample the signal at 125/8MHz which should be enough
[3:30] <CanDoo> i'm assuming 29 or so
[3:30] <shiftplusone> whatever PAL/NTSC normally is?
[3:30] <ali1234> you don't know?
[3:30] <CanDoo> NTSC is 29.95 afaik
[3:30] <shiftplusone> not off the top of my head, no.
[3:31] <CanDoo> and pal is 25.blahblah???
[3:31] <CanDoo> citation
[3:31] <ali1234> C64 like all 8 bit machines is progressive scan
[3:31] <ali1234> if PAL it will be 50Hz
[3:31] <nomis> ali1234: ah, sorry. I was referring to using a rtl-sdr dongle to receive telegrams from other sources.
[3:31] <CanDoo> oh sample rate
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[3:31] <CanDoo> not FPS
[3:31] <CanDoo> nevermind
[3:31] <ali1234> nomis: i used rtl-sdr to reverse engineer the protocol and reimplement it on AVRs
[3:31] * CanDoo butts out
[3:31] <nomis> ali1234: ah!
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[3:32] <Froolap> now what?
[3:32] <CanDoo> atmega?
[3:32] <ali1234> CanDoo: atmega32u2
[3:32] <Froolap> amiga are obsolete
[3:33] <CanDoo> i'v alwasy wanted an amiga
[3:33] <ali1234> shiftplusone: your main issue is dealing with the sheer amount of data.. unc compressed video is big
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[3:34] <CanDoo> anyway i run all my LED"S and the rpi2 and a LCD monitor off a 400watt ATX powersupply
[3:35] <shiftplusone> ~15Mbit or am I doing the number crunching wrong?
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[3:35] <Stephini_> hello
[3:35] <shiftplusone> hey
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[3:36] <ali1234> shiftplusone: 768x576x25xbpp - per second
[3:36] <Froolap> CanDoo: would like to see how you did that.
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[3:37] <Froolap> I've been thinking an old pc power supply would be a good thing to be running my pi's off of.
[3:38] <CanDoo> it works
[3:38] <shiftplusone> ali1234, I figured 320*200*25*bpp since that's the resolution I'd be interested in.
[3:38] <CanDoo> i got a set of screw terminals with a cover
[3:38] <shiftplusone> Anyway, I'll go read up on the basics before asking more stupid questions
[3:38] <shiftplusone> thanks for the help
[3:39] <Froolap> yeah, I've looked around but they always seem to have something with resistors and transistors and no explanation of what they are doing.
[3:39] <CanDoo> and wired up 2 12v lines yellow and 2 5v lines red, and 3 ground and the power on, power good, lines
[3:39] <CanDoo> and clipped the rest off inside the psu
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[3:39] <CanDoo> and heat shrinked them
[3:39] <CanDoo> i put a button between green power on and ground and that is on/off
[3:40] <CanDoo> and then just attach whatever to the screw terminals for the right voltages
[3:40] <CanDoo> works perfectly
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[3:40] <CanDoo> mind you i cut all the molex connectors off
[3:41] <CanDoo> well you do need a resistor or a load
[3:41] <CanDoo> here's what i did
[3:41] <CanDoo> i didn't want to waste the power in a load resistor
[3:41] <CanDoo> usually 10k ohm 5w
[3:41] <CanDoo> i got an old car 2a USB charger thing
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[3:41] <CanDoo> and connected it to the 12v rail as the load
[3:41] <CanDoo> and i plug the pi into that
[3:42] <ozzzy> I build my own supplies using ebay simpleswitcher boards
[3:42] <CanDoo> i built my own bench PSU out of one of thoes LED 30amp adjustable PSU's
[3:43] <CanDoo> and one of thoes LED VU?AMP digital meters
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[3:43] <CanDoo> thoes tiny ones
[3:43] <CanDoo> i'm so sorry
[3:44] <CanDoo> i'v been rambleing on, i don't get to talk about this stuff to anyone much
[3:44] <CanDoo> did i mention i'm legally blind
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[3:46] <ali1234> shiftplusone: 320*288*50 for progressive low res like you'd get from a c64
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[3:46] <ali1234> a PAL one anyway
[3:46] * ozzzy is legally drunk
[3:46] <ali1234> and it probably can't draw into all the lines
[3:46] <shiftplusone> CanDoo, I don't think there were any laws against blindness
[3:47] <CanDoo> thankfully
[3:47] <ali1234> the thing to remember is lines are discrete but pixels are not
[3:47] <CanDoo> but my wife can't get into my love for electronics
[3:47] <CanDoo> and i work alone in my space ALOT
[3:47] <shiftplusone> so it sounds like getting the data going to the vic-ii is more sensible.
[3:47] <CanDoo> and don't get to talk to others much who might understand what i'm talking about.
[3:47] <ozzzy> you're just not doing the right projects
[3:47] <methuzla> CanDoo did you have to add any capacitors to the outputs to clean up the power?
[3:48] <CanDoo> methuzla, i didn't, i could have
[3:48] <CanDoo> it would be a good idea to smooth ripples
[3:48] <CanDoo> switching PSU's are pretty dirty output. although i'v not scoped it up myself
[3:49] <methuzla> CanDoo i tried similar and then got a little scared about how clean that 22A 5V output actually was
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[3:51] <zumba_addict> hi folks, i'm deciding which one to buy, pi or pi2
[3:52] <zumba_addict> i will be running NodeJS on it
[3:52] <achromat> No reason not to buy the pi2 really.
[3:53] <zumba_addict> old Pi should be fine right?
[3:53] <zumba_addict> ok
[3:53] <achromat> It's really cheap and the hardware is way better.
[3:53] <zumba_addict> old pi has better hardware?
[3:53] <achromat> I meant the pi2 has better.
[3:53] <zumba_addict> glad to know about that
[3:53] <methuzla> zumba_addict how important is $10 USD to you?
[3:53] <zumba_addict> not really much
[3:53] <methuzla> pi2
[3:53] <zumba_addict> cool
[3:54] <zumba_addict> and I can use rasbian on it right?
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[3:54] <methuzla> yes
[3:54] <zumba_addict> k
[3:54] <zumba_addict> are there other distros though?
[3:54] <achromat> I have 6 raspberry pis. 3 pi model b and 3 pi 2 model b. The upgrade is worth it.
[3:54] <zumba_addict> sweet
[3:55] <zumba_addict> glad i asked :D I was about to buy the old model
[3:55] <achromat> I run arch on 2 of mine and gentoo on one.
[3:55] <zumba_addict> are they Raspbian too?
[3:55] <zumba_addict> or is it a different distro?
[3:55] <achromat> I'm not using raspbian on any of mine. They use different distros.
[3:56] <zumba_addict> i'm very familiar with Fedora
[3:56] <ozzzy> I just use raspbian... simple
[3:56] <zumba_addict> though i've used debian too and slackware
[3:56] <zumba_addict> which is the most stable and has better support on the rpi2 hardware
[3:56] <zumba_addict> i'll be using the usb to serial heavily
[3:56] <achromat> raspbian is simple. But it's a bit bloated and I use arch for my daily OS. So I just use it on my pi too. I'm actually more familiar with arch than debian. Haha.
[3:57] <zumba_addict> Ok :D I should try arch
[3:57] <zumba_addict> I actually don't need gui
[3:57] <zumba_addict> gui is a plus though
[3:57] <zumba_addict> so debian can be installed?
[3:57] <ozzzy> raspbian is debian
[3:57] <achromat> Raspbian is debian
[3:57] <zumba_addict> oh ok
[3:58] <achromat> Just speicalised for the pi.
[3:58] <zumba_addict> gotcha
[3:58] <zumba_addict> can you send me the Arch url please, I want to read it
[3:58] <methuzla> i'd worry about distro optimization 2nd, first just use raspbian and get familiar with pi
[3:58] <achromat> The install process or the OS homepage?
[3:58] <zumba_addict> i'm thinking about what methuzla told me
[3:59] <achromat> methuzla has a point. Arch comes with basically nothing pre-installed.
[3:59] <zumba_addict> maybe it's a good idea to start with raspbian first
[3:59] <zumba_addict> though I've started using linux since 1995
[3:59] <zumba_addict> k
[3:59] <achromat> raspbian will make you feel right at home if you like debian.
[3:59] <zumba_addict> k
[3:59] <zumba_addict> cool, I can always reinstall
[3:59] <zumba_addict> great idea :)
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[4:00] <brasizza> hello again guys
[4:00] <zumba_addict> is your pi2 affected with the light photosensor issue?
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[4:00] <ozzzy> they all are
[4:00] <zumba_addict> k
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[4:01] <zumba_addict> does it restart when we turn on any light fixture
[4:01] <ozzzy> nope... just don't aim a flash at it
[4:01] <zumba_addict> oh ok
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[4:01] <zumba_addict> so it's just camera flash
[4:02] <ozzzy> but... if it's in a case it's moot
[4:02] <zumba_addict> yup
[4:02] <zumba_addict> i was about to say that
[4:02] <zumba_addict> it's a minor thing then
[4:02] <ozzzy> yep... no big deal
[4:03] <zumba_addict> what are other pi's competition?
[4:03] <zumba_addict> beagle bone?
[4:03] <zumba_addict> banana pi too right
[4:03] <CanDoo> i have returned
[4:03] <CanDoo> sorry
[4:03] <CanDoo> it was time to tuck my daughter in
[4:03] <CanDoo> she's 5
[4:03] <ozzzy> my g'daughter just turned 6
[4:04] <ozzzy> http://ozzzy.dyndns.org/images/onesy.jpg
[4:04] <ozzzy> we have her for the weekend
[4:04] <ozzzy> she likes to spend time with her nana
[4:06] <CanDoo> she's cute
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[4:06] <ozzzy> she's the apple of her grandpa's eye =)
[4:06] <CanDoo> well i'm not quite grandpa age yet
[4:06] <CanDoo> 42
[4:06] <methuzla> zumba_addict banana pi = china rip off, good luck with support
[4:06] <zumba_addict> thanks for the heads up methuzla
[4:06] <CanDoo> banana pi has some weird stuff
[4:06] <CanDoo> from what i'v seen it's GPIO == RPI
[4:06] <CanDoo> but for some reason stuff has to be specifically compiled for it
[4:06] <methuzla> zumba_addict beagle bone black = nice product, little more expensive, smaller community
[4:06] <zumba_addict> congrats ozzzy :) happy girthday
[4:07] <zumba_addict> happy birthday
[4:07] <ozzzy> of course she was spoiled =)
[4:07] <brasizza> what's the topic
[4:07] <brasizza> anybody already used the digital to analogic in raspi ?
[4:07] <brasizza> MCP3002 i guess
[4:07] <zumba_addict> methuzla: yeah, i heard Beagle bone is nice but a little expensive
[4:07] <zumba_addict> i haven't done much research about it
[4:08] <methuzla> zumba_addict for a reason, it's got more going on
[4:08] <zumba_addict> what do you mean?
[4:08] <zumba_addict> you mean, hot in technology right now? famous?
[4:09] <methuzla> no, features
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[4:09] <CanDoo> brasizza, no i have not sorry
[4:09] <zumba_addict> got cha
[4:09] <zumba_addict> i just read this and it's cool - http://nodered.org/docs/hardware/beagleboneblack.html
[4:10] <brasizza> THat's ok CanDoo
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[4:10] <CanDoo> what do you know of it?
[4:10] <zumba_addict> ram though is small, only 512mb but maybe it's enough
[4:10] * CanDoo is interested
[4:10] <CanDoo> i ordered a paralax propeller off ebay last week
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[4:12] <methuzla> zumba_addict read up on the two products to see which is best for what you want
[4:12] <zumba_addict> k
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[4:13] <methuzla> zumba_addict keep in mind not just hardware specs, but eco system
[4:13] <zumba_addict> have you used bbb?
[4:13] <zumba_addict> what is eco system?
[4:13] <CanDoo> beagle bone black?
[4:13] <CanDoo> i'v read about it
[4:13] <zumba_addict> yup CanDoo
[4:13] <zumba_addict> i'm deciding between rpi2 and bbb
[4:13] <zumba_addict> both can run linux which is nice
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[4:14] <ozzzy> I'm deciding between ribs and burgers
[4:14] <CanDoo> ribs
[4:14] <CanDoo> then again why choose
[4:14] <CanDoo> have both
[4:14] <ozzzy> I like the way you think
[4:14] <methuzla> eco system = community (global community)
[4:14] <zumba_addict> oh ok :D
[4:14] <zumba_addict> looks like rpi has bigger eco syste
[4:14] <methuzla> hand out in here for a few days while also hanging out in #beagle
[4:15] <zumba_addict> ok
[4:15] <methuzla> *hang
[4:15] <zumba_addict> i'm actually impress that when I posted a question here, I got an answer quickly
[4:15] <CanDoo> i just got here tonight myself
[4:15] <CanDoo> these guys seem really friendly
[4:15] <CanDoo> and very helpful
[4:16] <CanDoo> and talkitive
[4:16] <methuzla> it's a good product and has some things the pi lacks
[4:16] <CanDoo> RTC
[4:16] <methuzla> just depends on what you're up for
[4:16] <zumba_addict> yes, I agree with you CanDoo :)
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[4:16] <|izzie> hi
[4:16] <zumba_addict> that's good info methuzla
[4:17] <zumba_addict> especially you're being honest about pi
[4:17] <|izzie> I am using my raspberry pi as a print server... does that preclude any other uses?
[4:17] <CanDoo> why doesn't the pi has RTC, is it shipping the coincells or something thats an issue
[4:17] <|izzie> (i notice i cannot even view a webpage)
[4:17] <CanDoo> price?
[4:17] <zumba_addict> but looks like i won't have any issue with either products
[4:17] <CanDoo> lack of IO
[4:17] <methuzla> i didn't like that whole node.js thing with bbb
[4:18] <methuzla> it basically had a root shell open on an http port
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[4:18] <zumba_addict> oh
[4:18] <zumba_addict> we can run nodejs on a nonroot account
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[4:19] <zumba_addict> have it listening on a port > 1024
[4:19] <zumba_addict> it's a linux security thing
[4:19] <methuzla> their cloud9 or whatever IDE, that's what had the root shell
[4:19] <zumba_addict> k
[4:20] <zumba_addict> but am I right that pi or bbb is not dependent on a cloud. Correct?
[4:20] <zumba_addict> there is a device at work that is dependent on a cloud. I think it was spark
[4:21] <methuzla> pretty much. most def for the pi. less sure about the bbb.
[4:21] <zumba_addict> k
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[4:35] <achromat> blah
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[4:38] <marshal_mellow> blah indeed
[4:39] <Froolap> sigh
[4:40] <marshal_mellow> why is everyone so glum?
[4:41] <Froolap> I like fedora on my pi's.
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[4:42] <marshal_mellow> isn't that like pidora?
[4:42] <marshal_mellow> or some such
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[4:44] <Froolap> zumba_addict: My advice, avoide the banana-pi.
[4:44] <zumba_addict> will do
[4:44] <zumba_addict> i'm going for bbb
[4:44] <marshal_mellow> mine too
[4:44] <marshal_mellow> i bought one
[4:44] <marshal_mellow> hate that thing
[4:44] <Froolap> well, that depends, pidora seems to be end of life.... not sure if it has a future.
[4:45] <marshal_mellow> i see
[4:45] <Froolap> if you are going to get anything Pi-ish then make sure you have an active user base, or you'll be trying to do everything from the ground up with no help....
[4:46] <marshal_mellow> my problem with the banana pi was largely that i was living with my parents trying to use their wireless with a terrible signal
[4:47] <marshal_mellow> and getting wireless drivers running were awful
[4:47] <Froolap> my problem with the banana is it seems that there are/were 3 different sites all claiming to be official and it seems that at least one was trying to sabotage the others.
[4:48] <marshal_mellow> yea that too
[4:48] <marshal_mellow> its so hard to tell where to get images
[4:48] <Froolap> it's difficult to find the real official site for the banana
[4:48] <marshal_mellow> and its hard to tell if those images are all the same or if one is rootkitted or what
[4:48] <marshal_mellow> i dont think i ever found it
[4:48] <marshal_mellow> i used the ones on lexmaker
[4:49] <marshal_mellow> right now my banana pi is unplugged
[4:49] <Froolap> i definately think that the first few images I got for the banana were rootkit.
[4:49] <marshal_mellow> i just had surgery so i'm all messed up on percocet and i realized i can access my raspberry from here
[4:49] <Froolap> I don't think that of the last image I got for the banana, but I still won't trust it with an internet connection
[4:50] <marshal_mellow> i'm at my parents house but its at my apartment running a clean raspbian, trying to think of something to do
[4:50] <marshal_mellow> i was going to try and use it to make a hardware switch to turn off my wireless on my router
[4:51] <Froolap> heh
[4:52] <marshal_mellow> should be doable with python-mechanize
[4:52] <marshal_mellow> but in order to view the router config i gotta tunnel through the pi's ssh
[4:52] <marshal_mellow> and i can't test it from an hour away via car :(
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[4:54] <marshal_mellow> what was your favorite image for the banana pi Froolap?
[4:54] <marshal_mellow> i couldn't find one i liked but i didn't try to many
[4:55] <Froolap> i use fedora on all my machines, pi or desktop
[4:55] <marshal_mellow> ah
[4:56] <marshal_mellow> why do you like fedora so much?
[4:56] <marshal_mellow> i haven't used it in years
[4:56] <Froolap> it's what I'm used to..... main reason, I can't connect to a "new" (never connected to before) wireless AP from the command line in debian due to networkManager is too old of a version.
[4:56] <marshal_mellow> its a great distro but theres just so many distros
[4:56] <marshal_mellow> i sorta hate networkManager
[4:57] <Froolap> fedora seems a good cross between keeping current and keeping user friendly....
[4:57] <marshal_mellow> sometimes a man just wants to edit his interfaces file
[4:57] <tawr> so
[4:57] <tawr> i found neon sharpies
[4:57] <tawr> http://i.imgur.com/6qwVsFDl.jpg
[4:58] <marshal_mellow> color your entire body?
[4:58] <tawr> had to label my rpi2 server
[4:58] <tawr> which also is my nas / server / irc bot box
[4:58] <Froolap> i miss my paintytwin.
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[4:58] <tawr> 'paintytwin'?
[4:59] <marshal_mellow> i'm not up on the new rpi2
[4:59] <marshal_mellow> is it seriously quad core???
[4:59] <marshal_mellow> can i put xenserver on it?
[4:59] <brasizza> see you guys
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[5:00] <marshal_mellow> am i crazy or is quad core and only 1 gig of ram sorta weird priorities
[5:01] <tawr> marshal_mellow, yes, it really is?
[5:02] <marshal_mellow> man my actual computer is only 2 core :\
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[5:03] <marshal_mellow> man i gotta go buy one of those now :\
[5:03] <marshal_mellow> my house will be full of tiny computers
[5:03] <muldoon> I'm back.. and this is driving me crazy.. stepper still does not spin
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[5:06] <methuzla> muldoon can you pastebin code?
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[5:13] <pmumble> quda core but i dont think it can virtualize
[5:14] <pmumble> quad too
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[5:15] <SnowRaptor> Hey, there! Is it possible to know in advance what device name the NIC on the Pi 2 will be? I'm trying to setup a gentoo image to run it headless
[5:15] <Froolap> depends on os, I guess would be best answer, why?
[5:16] <muldoon> methuzla, the code is http://razzpisampler.oreilly.com/ch06.html only I changed the pin #s to match https://github.com/makerfire/rpi-demo/wiki/RPI-L298N-Motor-Driver-Module respectively, 13,15,16,12 in IN1,2,3,4
[5:17] <SnowRaptor> Froolap, I'd like to avoid the need to use a TV/monitor and keyboard to set up the pi, so I'm editing the files in /etc in the sdcard elsewhere
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[5:17] <SnowRaptor> Froolap, so I can just boot it and ssh into it
[5:17] <pmumble> so yeah, you can just set a static ip for it in /etc/network/interfaces
[5:17] <Froolap> ifconfig should tell you the device name, but if it's headless then ssh into the box.... I don't see how device name effects ssh
[5:18] <pmumble> maybe he meant hostname
[5:18] <Froolap> you should be able to ssh in on first boot if connected by cat5
[5:18] * pmumble peers at SnowRaptor.
[5:19] <Froolap> and a login to your router should show which ip address dhcp gave the pi.
[5:22] <tawr> ^
[5:23] <pmumble> oh
[5:23] <pmumble> yea its eth0 and wlan0
[5:23] <pmumble> snow
[5:23] <methuzla> muldoon try this change: forward_seq = ['1010', '0110', '0101', '1001']
[5:23] <pmumble> i see what you were asking now
[5:23] <Froolap> I don't know about gentoo but with raspbian you get to configure some things on first boot, you might want to connect to a monitor for first boot, just to make sure things are working right.
[5:23] <pmumble> if raspbian, at least
[5:24] <tawr> with raspbian
[5:24] <tawr> if you just plug it in
[5:24] <tawr> ssh is up, you can ssh in and just run raspi-config
[5:25] <tawr> that's what i recently did with my rpi2. no kb/mouse, burned the sd, plugged it in, logged into router to find ip (or alternatively nmap your network), ssh in, boom, done
[5:25] <Froolap> they seem to be heading towards some "new standard" for naming network devices.... it's supposed to make more sense to people, but I haven't met a people that could explain it to me.
[5:27] <muldoon> methuzla, no change, no spin
[5:27] <SnowRaptor> sorry, yes, it's gentoo and I have to add the nic service to the runlevel
[5:27] <SnowRaptor> and in gentoo they use those enp3s0 stuff
[5:27] <methuzla> muldoon any response at all? twitching?
[5:28] <muldoon> methuzla, I confirm with multimeter I have 5v across G/5 12v across G/12. I have ENA jumpered ... fuck .. brb
[5:29] <muldoon> I have them jumpered sideways not up and down..
[5:29] <muldoon> let me change
[5:29] <pmumble> its probably enp3s0 then, cause in raspbian its just eth0
[5:29] <pmumble> but i dunno. fedora might be closer
[5:29] <pmumble> doesnt it use those conventions like el?
[5:30] <pmumble> froolap?
[5:30] <Froolap> blink?
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[5:31] <Froolap> yes, fedora is using the goofy names for network cards, I don't understand how the naming "convention" works
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[5:32] <pmumble> but fedora on the pi shows up as enp3s0 right?
[5:32] <pmumble> for the wired nic?
[5:32] <Froolap> I think they have k-worker grab an elf and the elf reaches into a box of alphabet cerial, pulls out a handful and then names the network device from the letters they grabbed
[5:32] <pmumble> lol
[5:33] <muldoon> methuzla, no change. most of the example code I see has all four inputs as GPIO, but the drawing shows input 4 as PCM_CLOCK, pin 12. does that sound right?
[5:33] <methuzla> muldoon also: http://pastie.org/10203129
[5:33] <Stephini_> when one runs dosbox on the pi about what would be the specs of the simulated machine?
[5:33] <methuzla> PCM_CLOCK = GPIO18
[5:34] <Stephini_> pi 2 i mean
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[5:36] <Froolap> I dunno, but if you get dosbox working i would like to hear of it, and what you are doing for a joystick.
[5:37] <Froolap> dunno if i could play wing commander 3 without sound though.
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[5:37] <methuzla> Froolap easy, just go "pew pew pew pew"
[5:38] <NedScott> hahaha
[5:38] <Froolap> wc3 has real actors/movie clips.
[5:38] <Stephini_> hrm isn't dosbox one of the things prepackaged in retropie?
[5:38] <NedScott> some games I've played so much that I sometimes forget if I muted something
[5:39] <NedScott> I just hear it in my head
[5:39] <Stephini_> i am wanting to try getting an old dos version of zsnes with mouse support working since noone coding for the pi itself sees mouse as a worthwhile feature...like AT ALL.
[5:39] <Froolap> ya know xz on a 5 gig file takes a while on a pi2
[5:39] <Stephini_> froolap don't say wc3. makes me think you are talking about warcraft which was very confusing when you said real actors. took me a second to realize you were talking about skywalker and the giant muppet. :P
[5:40] <Froolap> lol
[5:40] <Froolap> I did mention wing in my previous line
[5:40] <Stephini_> yeah but sometimes people go tangential and i was reading messages slightly out of order already. :P
[5:41] <Froolap> oh, i'm sorry it's an 8 gig file, not a 5 gig file so it will take even longer
[5:42] <Stephini_> so yeah you said if i get dosbox working. am i mistaken about it being built into retro pie? i dont have a prepped pie to double check atm but could have sworn.
[5:43] <pmumble> mm pie
[5:44] <Froolap> I dunno, i don't think i've seen retropie
[5:45] <Stephini_> ahh it's an image of raspian to run like a console. uses emulationstation as a frontend.
[5:45] <Froolap> I don't see retropie listed as an available image.
[5:45] <marshal_mellow> you wont find it on the rpi site
[5:46] <marshal_mellow> venture elsewhere
[5:46] <Stephini_> http://blog.petrockblock.com/
[5:46] <Froolap> how do I know it's trustworthy if I venture out into the untamed internet?
[5:46] <Froolap> I'm afraid
[5:46] <Stephini_> i can vouch for petrockblog. :P then again how can you trust me. but atleast i'm honest enough to say you may not be able to trust me.
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[5:47] <marshal_mellow> i installed it from there too i think
[5:47] <marshal_mellow> yea that looks and sounds right
[5:47] <Stephini_> it's the official site for retropie
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[5:47] <marshal_mellow> i noticed no malware and it was good fun
[5:48] <marshal_mellow> not like i did a thorough check or anything though
[5:48] <marshal_mellow> you can trust me i'm a united states marshal
[5:48] <Stephini_> https://github.com/petrockblog/RetroPie-Setup/wiki/PC << confirms that dosbox is in there
[5:49] <Stephini_> lolz marshal, i'm an ex junior cadet marine. :P
[5:50] <pmumble> wow, this looks really cool
[5:50] <pmumble> thanks
[5:51] <pmumble> commodore plus/4, i remember that shit. those rubber arrow keys are gold.
[5:52] <Froolap> wow, they even have a whole channel filled with people just waiting for me to complain when something goes wrong. Ok I suppose I can trust retropie. lol
[5:52] <methuzla> pew
[5:52] <marshal_mellow> darn tootin right you flippin can
[5:52] <marshal_mellow> (no profanity rule/????)
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[5:55] <marshal_mellow> i installed apache and it runs as root....
[5:56] <Stephini_> woah wait. why added 3do support?
[5:56] <Stephini_> i wonder if that system had any good games i should try.
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[6:08] <SnowRaptor> Thanks, Froolap and pmumble =)
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[6:09] <SnowRaptor> Is there a fs for the sdcard better than ext4? One that takes into account the fact that it's solid state, so no (less?) seek time and more need for load levelling?
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[6:11] <Froolap> I dunno.....
[6:15] <Froolap> if there is then I think that the pi would have used it by default
[6:15] <muldoon> im giving up on this motor for tonight ..
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[6:16] <muldoon> snowraptor, ext4 with TRIM support is the best option out there for SSD's. do not add a swap partition
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[6:16] <SnowRaptor> muldoon, TRIM? I'kk read about that
[6:16] <SnowRaptor> muldoon, thanks
[6:16] <Froolap> muldoon: sometimes it's good to take a break and look at things fresh, and the you stop overlooking the same thing you overlooked before because you are certain that you already checked that.
[6:17] <muldoon> TRIM is the SSD awareness in the kernel, it's been in there for a few years so I doubt youll have an issue. also.. read up on the recent ext4 file system corruption in RAID 0.. just in case you run a bleeding edge kernel
[6:17] <pmumble> nice
[6:17] <pmumble> ty muldoon
[6:18] * pmumble researches that.
[6:20] <muldoon> I'm new to pi and mojolicious.. learning curve for this damn invention I am working on.. but not new to unix, networking and perl. thank god I dont have those learning curves to tackle at the same time..
[6:20] <Froolap> maybe I should eat today
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[6:20] <methuzla> muldoon did you make those pin changes i posted?
[6:21] <muldoon> methuzla, I did. no change. rebooted, tried another example with both sets of pin numbers, nothing. going to start fresh tomorrow and recheck every step. been a long day
[6:22] <muldoon> thanks for looking at it with me tho.. she'll yeild. I know she will
[6:22] <methuzla> muldoon the pin numbers are forced by the add on board
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[6:23] <Stephini_> hey i have a question is discussing other SBCs banned here?
[6:23] <methuzla> muldoon upper left in: https://github.com/makerfire/rpi-demo/raw/master/img/l298-0.png
[6:23] <muldoon> I know, I am going to get some jumpers and pin cables tomorrow. I'm going to just breadboard this thing out so I can add LED's and watch pin high
[6:23] <methuzla> muldoon you're stuck with using 21, 22, 23, and 18 (PCM_CLK)
[6:24] <muldoon> methusla, I have looked at that drawing for hours. GPIO21 GPIO22 GPIO23 GPIO18, pins 13,15,16,12
[6:25] <methuzla> Stephini_ no, not banned
[6:25] <methuzla> muldoon yeah that's confusing, it's physical pins vs. pin function
[6:26] <methuzla> muldoon that's what the GPIO.setmode(GPIO.BCM) is all about
[6:26] <SnowRaptor> is "armv7a-hardfloat-linux-gnueabi" the correct CHOST?
[6:27] <methuzla> muldoon different people want it different ways
[6:27] <muldoon> I think I have tried all combinations ... going to review tomorrow. this is new stuff to me so I must be missing something. that's a danger with copy-paste code. I am not sure what every line is doing. I found a perl library for BCM8235.. going to try that. then looking for c source. I do not know pythin but just assumed it would work
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[6:27] <McBride36> someone say python?
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[6:28] <muldoon> snow, arm7 is the processor architecture, ARM proc, version 7. hardfloat is hardware assisted floating point arithmetic, abi is the interface to the kernel .. what are you trying to determine ?
[6:28] <methuzla> muldoon with GPIO.setmode(GPIO.BCM) in your code, you should use 21, 22, 23, and 18
[6:29] <muldoon> methuzla, thank you for confirming that
[6:29] <Froolap> Stephini_: why would you want to talk about SBC in here? Acronym Definition; SBC: Small Block Chevy
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[6:30] <muldoon> i'm more of a 454 guy..
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[6:33] <Froolap> I'm going to fall asleep before this gets done compressing the image that probably won't boot anyways.
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[6:35] <Stephini_> Froolap, i meant single board computer. :P
[6:35] <Stephini_> i was going to ask if any of you had looked into the new CHIP on KS.
[6:35] <Froolap> oh, well as long as you weren't refering to SOC then it's ok
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[6:36] <McBride36> i think it's been talked about a bit Stephini_
[6:36] <Froolap> never heard of it
[6:36] <pmumble> everyones talkin bout it
[6:37] <pmumble> that's the $9 one right?
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[6:37] <Stephini_> SOC. system on a chip or something else? cause i'd do SoC if it is system on a chip. you don't capitalize minor words in acronyms. :P
[6:37] <pmumble> or whatever
[6:37] <Froolap> great, I've just been demoted to nobody.
[6:37] <pmumble> aww
[6:37] <Stephini_> pmumble yeah 9$
[6:37] <pmumble> well now you know!
[6:38] <pmumble> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1598272670/chip-the-worlds-first-9-computer/
[6:38] <Froolap> Stephini_: yes I Do.
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[6:38] <Stephini_> lolz if you were tryingn to reverse capitalization you shouldn't have capitalized a solo 'i'
[6:39] <Froolap> I wasN't.
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[6:39] <pmumble> damn 1ghz and 512mb ram for $9
[6:40] <Stephini_> pmumble yeah. plus for 40 bucks more there is a all in one pocket computer solution for it.
[6:40] <Froolap> I'll wait till a) it's actually being sold and B) they have a support base. I'm not qualified to create an os for it.
[6:41] <pmumble> well i've bought two pi2s this month i can't justify it
[6:41] <Stephini_> Pi will still have it's place IMO. especially for anything i dont want to be battery powered. but for handheld things that dont need much horsepower i think the CHIP will work splendidly. like the retro handheld emulator i'm designing that will use modular inputs so i can play everything with the right buttons and dpads. :P
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[6:42] <Stephini_> Froolap, it comes preloaded with an OS on it. you just gotta install the software you want. of course if you aren't happy with the distro they use you may hafta wait for someone to port the distro you like.
[6:43] <NedScott> CHIP is cabbage
[6:44] <NedScott> it wouldn't surprise me if it gets made, but right now the SoC they're going to use hasn't even been released or priced yet
[6:44] <NedScott> and it's allwinner garbage
[6:44] <methuzla> what about CHiPs???
[6:44] <pmumble> cabbage?
[6:44] <Froolap> goes well with fish.
[6:45] <McBride36> bit crunchy
[6:45] <Stephini_> hey would i be mistaken to say that USB is fully backwards and forwards capatable? like USB1 devices work in USB3 ports and USB3 devices work in USB1 ports? just the latter may not work as fast as it's supposed to?
[6:46] <NedScott> yes
[6:46] <Stephini_> k cool. i found an ultra low profile 64GB thumb drive. but it's usb 3 and the pi and CHIP are both 2 if i recall correctly. :P
[6:47] <NedScott> it's actually a good idea to use a USB 3 drive on a Pi
[6:47] <NedScott> most USB 2 flash drives don't ever get close to USB 2 speeds
[6:47] <NedScott> because of the flash controller inside
[6:47] <Stephini_> ahh
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[7:01] <HakFoo> Stupid question-- if I plug the RPi into one of the sockets of an externally powered hub, can I also plug the hub itself into the unit to get more USB ports?
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[7:03] <McBride36> maybe it's late
[7:03] <McBride36> but thhis sounds like a "if i plug a powerstrip into itself, it will power itself"
[7:03] <McBride36> thing
[7:03] <methuzla> HakFoo probably, biggest concern would be getting enough power from hub for pi
[7:04] <muldoon> hakfoo, yes, but it will not exactly be safe because of volatge fluctuation and the possibility that the hub will not always have enough juice for the pi if powering other things. read up on backfeeding.. https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=42121
[7:04] <HakFoo> I wasn't sure if the external power supply feeds all the sockets sufficiently.
[7:04] <HakFoo> Thanks for the coherent answers.
[7:04] <methuzla> HakFoo could also open up a localized worm hole
[7:05] <methuzla> HakFoo with leprechauns
[7:05] <muldoon> well yeah, hakfoo, are you trying to open a wormhole? because that's how you get wormholes
[7:05] <HakFoo> I figured it would be neat to just permanently attach it to the back of a monitor which has USB ports I don't use.
[7:05] <McBride36> god, that's easily the silliest legit question i've seen
[7:05] <McBride36> i was confused
[7:06] <HakFoo> And I was hoping to get the wormhole with vampires. Do I need the RPi2 for that one?
[7:06] <muldoon> with a pi2, you get hot college girls too
[7:06] <HakFoo> The only thing I could remember on the subject was when people were buying those docks for phones and turning them into RPi laptops, and I seemed to recall you had to do some odd gimmick with wiring.
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[7:10] <HakFoo> It sort of surprises me that nobody's making a monitor or smart-TV with a RPi or similar device integrated... less propriatery than the stuff they ended up building, and a lot more flexible.
[7:10] <McBride36> probs more expensive
[7:10] <McBride36> well, not probs, definitely
[7:11] <HakFoo> Well, not so much a seperate unit, but embed the same basic parts on there so it would run the same software.
[7:12] <muldoon> am I the only one who likes my tv's dumb?
[7:12] <methuzla> maintaining that software would cost
[7:12] <muldoon> i dont want my tv on wifi.. just give me an hdmi and let my roku or some other device supply the content
[7:12] <HakFoo> Yet they're willing to spend a fortune on their own little walled gardens (which also go obsolete)
[7:14] <muldoon> those walled gardens suck. a content provider api change and now you have to wait for the tv company to release firmware, then upgrade a tv. that just seems dumb to me. it's like upgrading firmware on a keyboard. it's basic input output, it shouldnt be anything else
[7:15] <HakFoo> Actually firmware upgrades for keyboards can be awesome.
[7:15] <HakFoo> I've got a small numpad where I replaced the controller; now I can reflash it to map the keys into anything I want
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[8:43] <Stephini_> I wonder if there is any software that lets you like plan wood cuts. would be nice to plan out the plywood case i'm wanting to make for my project.
[8:44] <ShorTie> like autocad ??
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[9:25] <Stephini_> that could maybe work but doesn't that take a high degree of understanding?
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[9:28] <ShorTie> don't know about high, if i can understand it .. :/~
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[9:32] <injigo> yooo
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[9:53] <doomlord> am i reading right that charging / discharging li-ion batteries is 99% efficient ?
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[9:57] <dreamon> Froolap, hello
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[10:36] <dreamon> Froolap, whats up?
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[10:56] <Froolap> ha ha
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[11:01] <Froolap> if only I wasn't a moron,
[11:02] <ShorTie> moron is my middle name
[11:02] <Datalink> moron's my job title.
[11:02] <|izzie> guys, dunno if you'll know this, but i have a raspberry pi i set up as a print server...
[11:03] <|izzie> does this preclude my doing anything else with it?
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[11:04] <|izzie> shoot, what'd i miss?
[11:06] <|izzie> wow, sure got quiet in here.
[11:06] <Datalink> |izzie, using a Pi as a print server would only preclude it from doing other things if you are actively printing, if only because you can't move it to do other things with it
[11:06] <Datalink> IE: it's not a very high impact process
[11:07] <Datalink> also it's 4 AM where I am... I'm pretty sure most other locations people are at it's sometime in night as well.
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[11:07] <jonkristian> Has anyone seen anything like this before? http://imgur.com/2hIzNLF
[11:07] <Datalink> actually wait, there are areas waking up, and in day, my mistake
[11:08] <Datalink> jonkristian, what video cable are you using?
[11:08] <jonkristian> hdmi
[11:09] <|izzie> Datalink, i ask, because now i can't even access my browser.
[11:09] <Datalink> |izzie, that's odd, is print server all you've done to change it?
[11:10] <|izzie> well, i set up an ip in the interfaces file.. that's it, though.
[11:10] <Datalink> jonkristian, uh... does that problem persist across reboots?
[11:10] <|izzie> hrmmm... but i've got it disconnected from the printer right now...
[11:10] <|izzie> connected elsewhere.
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[11:11] <Datalink> |izzie, I would look into the interfaces file, typically I rely on DHCP on my router to assign fixed IPs
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[11:13] <Datalink> |izzie, if you are setting static IPs, make sure your gateway's set as well
[11:14] <jonkristian> Datalink, yes.
[11:14] <|izzie> wow, hold on, dhcp to set up fixed ips... that sounds like an oxymoron to me
[11:14] <|izzie> Datalink, what do you mean about my gateway?
[11:14] <Datalink> |izzie, the correct term is allocated IPs
[11:15] <Datalink> |izzie, when your local network doesn't have an IP, the gateway (usually your router) will be used to forward the request
[11:15] <|izzie> this is my interfaces file:
[11:15] <|izzie> #/etc/network/interfaces
[11:15] <|izzie> auto lo
[11:15] <|izzie> iface lo inet loopback
[11:15] <|izzie> iface eth0 inet static
[11:15] <|izzie> address
[11:15] <|izzie> netmask
[11:15] <|izzie> gateway
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[11:15] <|izzie> allow-hotplug wlan0
[11:15] <|izzie> iface wlan0 inet manual
[11:15] <|izzie> wpa-roam /etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf
[11:15] <|izzie> iface default inet dhcp
[11:16] <Datalink> future reference: pastebin.com but looks alright, your network's 192.168.0.x, right? and 64 isn't being used by anything else?
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[11:17] <|izzie> right
[11:18] <|izzie> let me go reconnect it to my printer and try again
[11:18] <Datalink> |izzie, that shouldn't be a factor in network use itself...
[11:19] <|izzie> hrmmm
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[11:19] <muldoon> izzie, what is the authentication setup?
[11:20] <muldoon> also.... why "iface default inet dhcp" after you set a static?
[11:20] <|izzie> muldoon, what do you mean about authentication setup?
[11:21] <pmumble> default is for wpa_supplicant no?
[11:21] <muldoon> wep/wpa1/wpa2 ? shared key?
[11:21] <Datalink> you guys did notice he's running a static IP on the wired interface, right? wireless is only in that config file for when you get a USB wifi dongle
[11:21] <pmumble> looks good |izzie, did you try ifup/down?
[11:22] <pmumble> yar
[11:23] <pmumble> |izzie: you have no nameservers in there though so make sure to set them
[11:23] <Datalink> pmumble, good catch, I missed that
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[11:24] <muldoon> izzie.. what does ifconfig -a say? does wlan0 have an address?
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[11:24] <pmumble> if you install resolvconf package you can just put the nameservers in interfaces, otherwise will need to put them in /etc/resolv.conf manually
[11:26] <ShorTie> i believe resolv.conf gets renewed on reboot
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[11:26] <muldoon> shortie, it does. it gets renewed on DHCPOFFER
[11:26] <|izzie> one sec,
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[11:29] <ShorTie> setting statics at the router is by far the best
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[11:31] <muldoon> shortie, i disagree. that does not scale when you have thousands of users. dhcp does work, and usualy works well.
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[11:31] <Datalink> muldoon, for a small personal network it's fine
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[11:33] <ShorTie> who in there right mind has 'thousands of users' on a home network ??
[11:34] <|izzie> ok, i'm good now, but all i did was connect it to the printer and see if i could browse (i could) .. then i disconnected it, and tried again, and it's fine
[11:34] <|izzie> thanks much guys
[11:34] <ShorTie> a network can only have 254 users anyways
[11:34] <muldoon> if his wlan0 results from ifconfig -a, show an inet addr, he will get dhcp. and it'll be fine.
[11:34] <ShorTie> or is 253
[11:35] <muldoon> shortie, depends on the mask,, a /24 can handle 254 users, but a /16 can support millions
[11:36] <|izzie> muldoon, what does that mean, a /24 can handle 254 users?
[11:36] <Datalink> muldoon, if you look at his config, he's in the 192.168 subnets, unless you're really straying from RFC, that's a class C and only has 255 on normal configuration
[11:36] <|izzie> and how is it that a lesser /16 can support millions?
[11:36] <ShorTie> Y 4 would you need a /16 mask for a home network
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[11:36] <Datalink> |izzie, it's the number of bits you mask at the front of an IP
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[11:39] <ShorTie> why not just use and support hafe the world, lol.
[11:40] <ShorTie> of course you might need a OC3 connection if any body wants to do anything
[11:40] <muldoon> you can.. and quite a companies do that.. they segment their sites into those networks..
[11:40] <muldoon> quite a *few..
[11:40] <ShorTie> dailup would be a drag
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[11:41] <muldoon> the number 1 largest ealertical generation company in north america uses internally. each site has its own /24 in that scheme.
[11:42] <|izzie> thanks, Datalink
[11:42] <muldoon> i cant type.. s/ealertical/electrical
[11:43] <ShorTie> ya, and i bet the have a hole hurd of CCNA's runnin it too....
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[11:45] <muldoon> they had a mix, good and bad..
[11:46] <muldoon> i'm glad i left that job tho.
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[13:52] <niston> hmm OC3
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[14:02] <niston> OC3 is soo pre-millennium
[14:03] <niston> aolso, a /16 has not millions of hosts but 65534
[14:04] <niston> and besides, the whole Class thing has fallen quite out of fashion, thanks to CIDR
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[14:13] <niston> furthermore, when speaking about subnets, a subnet does not handle "users" but "hosts"
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[14:13] <HotCoder> im curious. what would be the solution for sound on a pi?
[14:13] <niston> PiDAC+
[14:14] <niston> or HifiBerry+
[14:14] <HotCoder> interesting
[14:14] <HotCoder> and can that be transfered via ssh?
[14:14] <niston> huh?
[14:14] <HotCoder> i know vnc dont support that
[14:14] <niston> its hardware
[14:14] <HotCoder> ok
[14:14] <HotCoder> lol
[14:15] <HotCoder> i want to transfer sound from my pi to my pc
[14:15] <niston> for example, https://niston.wordpress.com/2014/10/10/niston-stream-one/ built around a PiDAC
[14:15] <HotCoder> that i sshed with
[14:15] <HotCoder> want to transfer from pi to pc, sound, ssh
[14:15] <HotCoder> how to do
[14:15] <niston> you mean like, remote audio
[14:15] <niston> such as is possible with RDP
[14:17] <niston> this may help: https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=98987&p=695967
[14:17] <HotCoder> ye remote audio
[14:17] <HotCoder> i vnc
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[14:18] <tawr> hi HotCoder
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[14:19] <HotCoder> hello tawr
[14:19] <HotCoder> just trying to get sound from my set up
[14:19] <HotCoder> i know vnc dont support sound
[14:20] <tawr> why ?
[14:20] <niston> HotCoder: that alsa loopback device that is referred in the forum post above
[14:20] <HotCoder> so i can enjoy the pleasures of auditory sensory input
[14:21] <niston> you could use this to stream any sound the pi produces
[14:21] <HotCoder> niston, to my pc?
[14:21] <niston> to wherever you want
[14:21] <tawr> what HotCoder
[14:21] <tawr> that makes no sense lol
[14:22] <HotCoder> makes perfect sense
[14:22] <niston> you could also use FreeRDP: http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/116621/how-to-remote-linux-desktop-with-audio-support
[14:23] <tawr> he's vnc'ing from a windows laptop
[14:23] <tawr> with 0 linux skills
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[14:24] <HotCoder> niston, i might just use that one
[14:24] <HotCoder> freerdp
[14:24] <niston> it requires a windows server though :/
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[14:25] <niston> FreeNX has audio support it seems
[14:26] <niston> http://www.tiaowiki.com/w/Install_NX_Server_on_Raspberry_Pi
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[15:31] <blonkel> hey guys, is there already a distributor (europe?) for compute modules?
[15:31] <blonkel> (not the kit, i already own that)
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[16:25] <A1F4> Hello
[16:26] <A1F4> I am using raspi model B.unable to use it.
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[16:27] <nomis> A1F4: what do you plan to do about it?
[16:28] <A1F4> Showing only power led red on and doesn't move further i used different sd card bust showing same result.also checked for loose connection and corruption of sd card.
[16:28] <A1F4> I want to repair it? If possible.
[16:30] <Bilby> that sounds like a bad image
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[16:30] <Nyctophilia> hello guys, would be great if someone could help me out, im getting crazy over this, even if it is a simple task... im running the current Raspbian Image on my Raspberry Pi 2 with kodi on it, and i want it to get idiot proof. the pi should run 24/7, because it also acts as downloadserver (pyload) - now if you exit kodi over the gui, you get back to the CLI. is there some way to automatically
[16:30] <Nyctophilia> check if kodi-standalone is down and restart it? this thing should run at my parents house and even if i tell them to not shutdown kodi, they will...
[16:30] <ShorTie> how did you write the image to the sdcard ??
[16:32] <Nyctophilia> me?
[16:32] <ShorTie> yes sir
[16:32] <Nyctophilia> win32diskimager
[16:32] <ShorTie> oops, sorry, the other guy
[16:32] <A1F4> dd
[16:32] <Nyctophilia> lol
[16:32] <Nyctophilia> np
[16:33] <ShorTie> dd as in ?? dd ....
[16:34] <ShorTie> might sound goofy, but you did unzip the image ??
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[16:35] <A1F4> Yes sir.
[16:35] <A1F4> $ sudo dd bs=4M if=/path/to/image of=/dev/sdb
[16:35] <A1F4> Its was IMG file
[16:35] <ShorTie> ok, using linux ??
[16:36] <ShorTie> as long as 'if=/path/to/image of=/dev/sdb' is correct, should be ok
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[16:37] <A1F4> Just before malfunction.on raspi ethenet port i felt electric shok just like static electricity but it was continuous.
[16:38] <ShorTie> oh that don't sound good
[16:39] <ShorTie> ground is your friend
[16:39] <A1F4> Is this cause of mulfuction ? Any electronic geek like to help me.
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[16:39] <ShorTie> hard to say what caused it really
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[16:40] <ShorTie> sumfin not right
[16:40] <Bilby> Uuh
[16:41] <Bilby> It sounds like some voltage found its way onto the ground rail
[16:41] <Bilby> which is pretty much bad for everything
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[16:42] <A1F4> What to do now?
[16:43] <ShorTie> on another pc, you could look at the sdcard
[16:43] <nomis> A1F4: check the sd card in a different raspberry and if it works there get a new one for yourself.
[16:43] <ShorTie> if it is good there, i'd say you got a fried pi
[16:44] <SpeedEvil> There is almost certainly no way to reasonbly repair it.
[16:44] <tawr> continuous electric shock
[16:44] <tawr> no A1F4
[16:44] <tawr> either it's your nerves
[16:44] <tawr> but you should never be able to feel 5v
[16:44] <tawr> even in an open cut
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[16:46] <A1F4> I have sweet hand and i felt it.
[16:46] <tawr> uh
[16:46] <tawr> you can't feel 5v on your hands
[16:46] <tawr> unless you're barefoot on dirt and have a cut
[16:46] <tawr> so, check your power supply.
[16:46] <tawr> run it off your computer to check instead of what ever you're using now.
[16:48] <A1F4> It it possible to get current from patch cable connected between raspi and wifi router.
[16:48] <ShorTie> don't know if i'd do that computer thing
[16:48] <tawr> i suppose it is, but the router would be dead too A1F4. are they plugged in to the same plug?
[16:49] <tawr> ShorTie, most usbs have enough protection. the pi turns on ust doesn't boot, it should be fine
[16:49] <A1F4> No.
[16:49] <tawr> A1F4, don't plug in ethernet, just plug usb to computer to see if pi boots
[16:49] <ShorTie> ok, it's his pc, lol.
[16:50] <A1F4> Its not reach to boot upto stage.
[16:50] <tawr> A1F4,
[16:50] <tawr> i meant it's not blowing smoke, it's not completely dead. the leds are on, which means it's not 100% dead and fried
[16:50] <tawr> like a shorted power rail or something.
[16:51] <Bilby> Ugh, I'm installing a cups server on a spare micro desktop and it's crazy loud for its size
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[16:52] <A1F4> Is it possible to chack status etc like android debug tool.
[16:53] <tawr> A1F4, we told you what you need to do dude
[16:53] <tawr> and yes, 3.3v serial to the debug console on the io pins iirc
[16:54] <A1F4> How to do that? Tawr
[16:54] <tawr> you need a usb device like either a usb-serial console cable, the FTDI friend (popular for arduino), buspirate, an arduino
[16:54] <tawr> something that can do serial i/o at 3.3v
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[16:55] <tawr> im telling you it makes more sense to put your new image sd card in, and plug it into your computer to see if it boots with the leds further than it does now
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[16:58] <A1F4> Just tried doesn't work.same problem continuous redlight .any green not even blink.
[17:00] <ShorTie> fried pi, yuck .. :(~
[17:02] <Bilby> step 1: go to art supply store, purchase clear casting resin
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[17:03] <Bilby> step 2: encase raspberry pi in resin
[17:03] <Bilby> step 3: allow to cure
[17:03] <Bilby> step 4: enjoy your new paperweight
[17:03] <A1F4> Lol
[17:04] <A1F4> Thank you all for help.
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[17:05] <ShorTie> if you get a new pi, i'd might get a new power supply/adapter too...
[17:06] <A1F4> Sure.
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[17:10] <tawr> Bilby, that's a good idea
[17:10] <tawr> clear casting epoxy makes everything look gorgeous
[17:11] <Bilby> I'm thinking a snow-globe shape with some nice green felt on the bottom
[17:12] <tawr> i was thinking maybe pour 25%, put some glitter and hookup wires, pour 20%, rpi, pour 20%, more wires/glitter, cap?
[17:15] <Bilby> could be interesting
[17:16] <Bilby> if you had crazy l33t soldering skills you could direct-wire the LEDs and run to a battery
[17:18] <CanDoo> good afternoon
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[17:21] <supersmilers> Hi. I tried changing the frame buffer to match my screen size while letting it output in 1080i but no go.
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[17:22] <supersmilers> It still overscales
[17:25] <supersmilers> So. I'm guessing HDTV's are not meant to be used as monitors.
[17:26] <Bilby> hmm... i've never had a problem with it correctly detecting 1080p
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[17:27] <supersmilers> Maybe my tv is giving generic edid, so its reading it wrong
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[17:28] <Bilby> possibly
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[17:29] <supersmilers> It's the 2012 Sharp Aquos. Idk if that helps..
[17:31] <Bilby> Hmm. I would imagine that would be fine. Not sure. What distry are you using?
[17:31] <supersmilers> Raspbian
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[17:33] <Bilby> With resolution set to automatic, what res do you end up with/
[17:33] <Bilby> ?
[17:34] <supersmilers> 1366x718 I think.
[17:36] <Bilby> Odd
[17:36] <CanDoo> sup
[17:36] <supersmilers> Yea. My ps3 outputs in 1080i correctly.
[17:37] <tawr> Bilby, since you were being artistic earlier
[17:37] <Bilby> supersmilers, did you go through this? https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=5851
[17:37] <tawr> I had found some blacklight/UV - neon sharpies yesterday
[17:37] <Bilby> shows how to find what EDID info is being supplied
[17:37] <tawr> and wrote my pi's name on it's case
[17:38] <tawr> http://i.imgur.com/6qwVsFDl.jpg
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[17:38] <Bilby> nifty
[17:39] <Bilby> UV reactive markers and tape are super handy for setting up invisible stage spikes. especially with cheap blacklight floods available now
[17:39] <supersmilers> So I guessing PS3 reads it right but my Pi reads it wrong. I did try following that guide but it didn't work.
[17:39] <tawr> Bilby, i made some uv flashlights out of boredom a few weeks ago
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[17:40] <tawr> they're fun to take the to the mall / stores and see what glows. it keeps all my nephews busy
[17:41] <supersmilers> And yes. I did try using a different HDMi cable
[17:41] <tawr> 0x3F, RW bit 1 = RX buffer.
[17:42] <supersmilers> What you're talking about?
[17:42] <Bilby> supersmilers but when you try to force 1080p it's still not working?
[17:43] <Bilby> so hdmi_group = 1 and hdmi_mode = 16 ?
[17:43] <supersmilers> Yes. It overscales past the tv screen. So I can see parts of the image.
[17:43] <Bilby> I'm assuming tawr mis-pasted there haha
[17:44] <Bilby> that's really strange
[17:44] <Bilby> does your TV show it to be a 1080p signal? usually shows in a menu somewhere
[17:45] <supersmilers> No. It shows 1080p if its truely 1080p it only shows 1366x718 because it outputs in that res
[17:46] <Bilby> it sounds like the pi is not force-changing the res. what if you try setting it to something smaller?
[17:47] <Bilby> hdmi_group = 1 hdmi_mode = 1 should be VGA
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[17:47] <supersmilers> Yes. But it just make it like its 15". My tv is 40".
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[17:48] <Bilby> okay, so it's at least reading the values
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[17:49] <Bilby> did you try DMT 1080?
[17:50] <supersmilers> Yes. But it still over scales past the screen size.
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[17:52] <Bilby> sorry man, beyond me then
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[17:52] <niston> tried disable_overscan=1 in config.txt ?
[17:53] <niston> also, manually set aspect ratio to 16:9 (instead of auto) on the TV
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[17:55] <supersmilers> Yea. Maybe a proper HD monitor would work better than HDTV. And yes I disabled overscan and it still overscales. And its only have 3 settings: "stretch", "smart stretch", and "zoom" and color correction settings. I can't turn off stretch settings.
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[17:56] <Bilby> Sometimes TVs try to "do it for you" which makes it tough to troubleshoot. Do you have an HDMI or DVI monitor you can try it with?
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[17:57] <supersmilers> I do but I don't have a dvi connector
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[17:59] <supersmilers> Just a Plain HDmi cable
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[18:00] <Bilby> phooey
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[18:07] <Froolab> mumble
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[18:21] <mxtm> so I'm getting really warped sound out of the 3.5mm jack to my headphones even with the HW accel switch in OMXPlayer
[18:21] <mxtm> and I can't get VLC which was reccomended to me to work with HW accel anything on ALARM
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[18:33] <ShorTie> sure the pins on the headphones 3.5mm plug are right ??
[18:33] <ShorTie> http://www.raspberrypi-spy.co.uk/2014/07/raspberry-pi-model-b-3-5mm-audiovideo-jack/
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[18:36] <Bilby> deja vu all over again... most headphones will connect to the correct pins ;)
[18:37] <pksato> headphones for smartphones. mic combined.
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[18:37] <pksato> 3 pin (section) plug not work on b+
[18:38] <Bilby> it does, actually. generally
[18:39] <Bilby> it shorts the video pin to ground but it's designed that way
[18:39] <mxtm> oh so I'll need something for my non-mic headphones then?
[18:39] <mxtm> i was suspectng it might be something liek thsi
[18:39] <mxtm> like this*
[18:39] <mxtm> suspecting*
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[18:40] <pksato> mxtm: a converter cable
[18:40] <pksato> 4 to 4
[18:41] <mxtm> like this? http://www.amazon.com/Valley-4-Pole-3-5mm-Female-Stereo/dp/B00DX6V9JO/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1432399279&sr=8-3&keywords=4+pole+to+4+pole
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[18:43] <pksato> probable no, It like more a extension
[18:44] <Bilby> Per the official readme a standard headphone jack is supported https://www.raspberrypi.org/documentation/setup/README.md
[18:44] <ShorTie> that thing is ooolllddddd....
[18:45] <mxtm> yeh
[18:45] <Bilby> If you've tried everything else and you're still getting noise, you can try a TRRS jack
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[18:46] <Bilby> Last update was march 19
[18:46] <pksato> http://www.dx.com/p/universal-3-5mm-to-3-5mm-earphone-conversion-cable-white-2-pcs-315812#.VWCu9Re4X8t
[18:48] <mxtm> or i could spend 5 more dollars
[18:48] <mxtm> and http://www.amazon.com/Headset-Adapter-iPhone-Samsung-Android/dp/B0052WFFIS/ref=sr_1_11?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1432399578&sr=1-11&keywords=trrs+jack
[18:48] <mxtm> right
[18:49] <pksato> this converter invert 3th and 4th ring
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[18:49] <Bilby> is there a local electronics place? just buy a jack and make your own
[18:49] <ShorTie> that 1st cable looked like it might work, but with not having 1, hard to tell
[18:50] <mxtm> yeah, there is one
[18:50] <Bilby> Pinout for the jack is TRRS Left right video ground
[18:51] <ShorTie> wrong
[18:51] <Bilby> that's right, it's ground-video
[18:52] <Bilby> Annoying
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[18:56] <mxtm> i hope that retroarch-git PKGBUILD :%s/armv6h/armv7h/ works optimized for RPi2, it should, right?
[18:56] <mxtm> I think I'll give up on audio / video stuff for now I might just buy some speakers
[18:57] <Bilby> I used a USB sound card for a while, that was much better than onboard but still very inexpensive
[18:57] <Bilby> the wolfson card is amazing but doesn't work with everything and can be a bit of a pain to set up
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[18:58] <Froolap> then it's not so amazing
[18:59] <mxtm> I'm using an old VGA monitor via a HDMI->VGA adaptor, so I don't have high standards for these things
[18:59] <Bilby> annoyzing?
[19:01] <Froolap> yeah, I'm using a kvm so needed the vga too.
[19:02] <Froolap> but it works well so I'm happy,
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[19:05] <tpw_rules> is it possible to get a command line from noobs?
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[19:09] <shiftplusone> tpw_rules, ctrl+alt+f1
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[19:16] <mxtm> what is my best option for RPi dualbooting on one SD card RetroPie and ALARM
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[19:20] <mxtm> looks like noobs
[19:20] <mxtm> sec
[19:21] <shiftplusone> NOOBS, if you know what you're doing or if retropie provides an archive to use with NOOBS
[19:21] <shiftplusone> maybe berryboot
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[19:42] <tpw_rules> http://www.circuitbasics.com/setup-lcd-touchscreen-raspberry-pi/ has anybody used this guide?
[19:42] <tpw_rules> i'm having trouble with missing kernel modules
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[19:47] <tawr> then add in the modules?
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[19:52] <CanDoo> hmm
[19:52] <CanDoo> got quiet in here
[19:56] <tpw_rules> have you used that? when the module loads, it dims and flickers a bit and stays stable with a gradient
[19:57] <Froolap> I give up
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[20:13] <Tenkawa> hi all
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[20:13] <Tenkawa> Bilby: how bout that weather eh?
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[20:14] <CanDoo> hmm
[20:14] <Bilby> 's pretty nice. Have the house closed up to keep the cool in, but the window in my office is open :)
[20:14] <CanDoo> getting flickering on my LED matrix
[20:14] <Tenkawa> heheh
[20:14] <Bilby> I wish I wasn't working and I could go enjoy it more :P
[20:14] <Tenkawa> Bilby: ouch
[20:14] <Tenkawa> Bilby: did you get to enjoy of last nights?
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[20:15] <Tenkawa> er any of
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[20:15] <Bilby> I was out a little bit yesterday yeah
[20:16] <Tenkawa> couldnt believe how nice it was... as you know thats almost unreal around here this time of year
[20:16] <Bilby> and I'll be out in it tomorrow too, I'm helping a friend pull a sign down to clean and repair
[20:16] <Tenkawa> ahhh
[20:17] <Tenkawa> not sure whats in store yet for me
[20:18] <Tenkawa> usually one of the festivals however most of the people i go with are out of tow this year
[20:18] <Tenkawa> er town
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[20:21] <Tenkawa> anyone knoe if theres a qemu set to emulate the rpi2 properly on an x86-64 yet?
[20:21] <Tenkawa> er know
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[20:23] <Tenkawa> i want to build up images before i transfer them to my pi2s
[20:23] <Tenkawa> and test them
[20:26] <teclo-> well it's ARM
[20:26] <teclo-> I don't know if qemu can emulate ARM
[20:27] <Tenkawa> of course it cam
[20:27] <Tenkawa> er can
[20:27] <Kryczek> /usr/bin/qemu-arm
[20:27] <niston> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/28880833/emulating-the-raspberry-pi-2
[20:27] <Tenkawa> thats part of its puropose
[20:28] <Tenkawa> Kryczek: i know how to use qe,u... wasnt sure of status of pi2 machine type def
[20:28] <Tenkawa> wow lag sitting outside is making me typo bad
[20:28] <Tenkawa> time to insta
[20:28] <Tenkawa> ll and see..
[20:28] <Kryczek> Tenkawa: sorry I only read 19:26 < teclo-> I don't know if qemu can emulate ARM
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[20:29] <teclo-> indeed qemu does emulate arm, that I didn't know, sorry
[20:29] <Tenkawa> ahhh
[20:29] <Tenkawa> no problem at a
[20:29] <Tenkawa> l.l
[20:29] <Tenkawa> wow lag
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[20:30] <teclo-> indeed /usr/bin/qemu-arm
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[20:31] <Tenkawa> no pi in the list from debian's 2.3.0 ver
[20:32] <Tenkawa> however it gives me hope it might be in newer/dev
[20:32] <niston> hmm
[20:32] <niston> how about a GPIO emulation card for windows?
[20:32] <niston> and linux
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[20:33] <niston> either internal via PCIe or external by USB?
[20:33] <niston> so that emulated raspis can have GPIO?
[20:34] <Kryczek> it would be more expensive than a Pi
[20:34] <niston> of course
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[20:34] <Tenkawa>
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[20:34] <niston> but also faster, depending on the emulator's host
[20:34] <niston> I'm thinking development purposes
[20:37] <Tenkawa> wish i knew what to build with by beaglebone blacks that are idling
[20:38] <autostatic> Qemu 2.3 supports RPi2
[20:38] <Tenkawa> excellent
[20:38] <Tenkawa> i'll be building that tonight
[20:38] <autostatic> RPi2 is armv7
[20:39] <Tenkawa> yep
[20:39] <autostatic> What are you using for Linux dostro?
[20:39] <autostatic> distro?
[20:39] <Tenkawa> autostatic: debian
[20:39] <autostatic> Jessie?
[20:39] <Tenkawa> sid
[20:40] <autostatic> Ah, well, I have Jessie qemu-2.3.0 packages
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[20:40] <Tenkawa> ahh
[20:40] <autostatic> Not sure if they would run properly on sid though
[20:40] <Tenkawa> no biggie for me to build the
[20:40] <Tenkawa> just knowing qemu itself has support makes it worthwhile for me to try now
[20:40] <autostatic> Ok :)
[20:40] <Tenkawa> thanks for the info
[20:41] <autostatic> I'm using qemu to build kernels and packages for the RPi2
[20:41] <Kryczek> remember to disable floppy support
[20:41] <Tenkawa> nice
[20:41] <Tenkawa> Kryczek: oh why?
[20:41] <autostatic> Kryczek: ?
[20:41] <autostatic> Venom?
[20:41] <Kryczek> https://securityblog.redhat.com/2015/05/13/venom-dont-get-bitten/
[20:41] <autostatic> Doesn't apply
[20:42] <Kryczek> doesn't matter
[20:42] <autostatic> Only if you're using stuff like OpenStack or Xen
[20:42] <Kryczek> disable all unnecessary device emulation
[20:42] <autostatic> Not neccessary
[20:42] <Kryczek> because you are sure the rest of the qemu code is 100% secure?
[20:42] <autostatic> You're not using a hypervisor
[20:43] <autostatic> No software is 100% secure
[20:43] <Kryczek> I was being sarcastic
[20:43] <Tenkawa> i disable floppy anyway... just extra things to emulate
[20:44] <Kryczek> Tenkawa: that's the spirit :)
[20:44] <Tenkawa> heheheh
[20:45] <Tenkawa> bbl.. afk for a bit. thanks for the info all
[20:45] <autostatic> Kryczek: sorry, forgot the ;)
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[20:46] <Kryczek> no worries
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[20:53] <CanDoo> gettign to make a whole bunch of 96x16 pixel images WHEE
[20:53] <CanDoo> i am no graphic artist
[20:54] <HotCoder> question
[20:54] <CanDoo> answer
[20:54] <HotCoder> i use a vnc server to run my raspberry. i run it on raspbian. how do i get sound out of the raspbian on my remote computer location
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[20:55] <HotCoder> im guessing since vnc dont have sound support. i have to add an additional sound server
[20:55] <HotCoder> to get the sound from it?
[20:55] <HotCoder> or whats the deal here?
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[20:56] <CanDoo> you are correct vnc does not support sound
[20:57] <CanDoo> and if having the sound and video synched in some way is inportant
[20:57] <CanDoo> a sound server will not help
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[20:57] <CanDoo> but if you just want sound, i'd suggest icecast as most any other device with a webbrowwer can connect to an icecast stream
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[21:04] <HotCoder> CanDoo, is it possible to have a vnc to have the video and a sound server to send the sound through?
[21:04] <HotCoder> i mean, dont people have a way of doing that? seems like a severe limitation of the pi
[21:04] <HotCoder> if it doesnt
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[21:07] <CanDoo> HotCoder, no i'm sorry
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[21:08] <k_j> HotCoder, do you need vnc to control the desktop or just see it?
[21:08] <CanDoo> i'm sure there's a way to do it, how reliable it might be or the bandwidth useage or the sync issues
[21:08] <CanDoo> i have no idea
[21:08] <HotCoder> k_j, see it and control it. thats the way i use it
[21:09] <k_j> HotCoder, i was able to stream the desktop and audio together to a browser with uv4l, but there s no way to control it
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[21:52] <niston> HotCoder: freeNX didn't work for you then?
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[21:54] <shaffl> hi, can I use a power supply that can deliver more than 1.5A for the raspberry pi model b? I mean, does the maximum output current spec of the power supply affect the raspberry pi stability if its value is much higher that the recommended one (1.5A?) for a raspberry pi model b? I want to buy this portable power supply: http://goo.gl/OpJIUu
[21:55] <shaffl> which has a maximum output of 4.2A
[21:56] <CoJaBo> shaffl: The quality of those is totally hit or miss
[21:56] <shaffl> CoJaBo: how can you tell that? I'm not expert..
[21:56] <CoJaBo> shaffl: I got a similar one, and it works fine. Others only output like 4.2v, and won't work.
[21:56] <pmumble> shaffl: im pretty sure that the pi will only draw what is needed.
[21:57] <CoJaBo> There's not really a way to tell; the reviews are often useful, but not always.
[21:57] <CoJaBo> It's the quality of the thing that matters, not strictly the number of amps.
[21:57] <Jusii> current is something that psu can provide max, rpi just takes as much it needs. it's the voltage that has to match
[21:57] <pmumble> must be 5V tho
[21:58] <pmumble> oh, yeah totally. you're fine for that port charger.
[21:58] <pmumble> *portable
[21:58] <Jusii> it can be even 5v and 100A psu
[21:58] <pmumble> it's actually overkill unless you're driving accessories
[21:58] <shaffl> ok, so the specs should be ok. However, you're telling me the quality o the product is not fine. Can you suggest me some alternatives? How can I know priorly tthe quality? There are not so man people buying a portable usb charger to power a raspberry pi
[21:58] <pmumble> i have a 7800mAh portable charger and it can run the pi all day even using wifi dongle
[21:59] <brucemwhealtonjr> Hello all. I was wondering about running an xmbc server on raspberry pi 2... I got a kit that said it has everything needed for this, but the only OS available is Rasbian (sp?) and I know one can install more than one OS but it only came with a 8Gb micro sd card which is now already full.
[21:59] <pmumble> mine is great it's a ROMOSS Sailing 3 7800mAh
[21:59] <Bilby> look for major brands, official sellers, and the like
[21:59] <shaffl> Bilby: EasyAcc?
[21:59] <Bilby> sorry, i'm not familiar with battery pack brands o_o;;
[22:00] <Bilby> if you find one that looks good, maybe do some searching on the brand name and look for reviews
[22:00] <brucemwhealtonjr> So, I was expecting that during installation I could choose which OS to install but I didn't see the option for the one I needed.
[22:00] <Bilby> GreatScott! on youtube had a teardown recently of a name brand vs. ebay power bank
[22:00] <Bilby> brucemwhealtonjr did your SD card come with raspibian or NOOBS?
[22:00] <pmumble> brucemwhealtonjr: you need a NOOBS card for that
[22:00] <shaffl> Bilby: well, the ones I'm talking about are the best sellers in amazon
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[22:01] <brucemwhealtonjr> I thought it came with NOOBS but when I look at the disk it only showed raspian
[22:01] <pmumble> some of them come with just raspbian
[22:01] <pmumble> https://www.raspberrypi.org/downloads/
[22:01] <Bilby> the problem with amazon... best seller doesn't necessarily mean good quality :|
[22:01] <shaffl> I don't know if this fact is sufficient to claim that they're good for a raspberry pi. However, the reviews are all positive.
[22:01] <pmumble> NOOBS is there for download
[22:01] <shaffl> Bilby: mmh ok
[22:01] <Bilby> NOOBS is probably the easieset to start with, but if you're going to install kodi anyhow just go right for it
[22:01] <Bilby> ben heck did a kodi how-to recently
[22:01] <brucemwhealtonjr> as it turned out, I didn't have internet access either as I had thought it would just get an IP using the wifi and dhcp but that didn't happen
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[22:02] <Bilby> shaffl, video i was thinking of - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pxNLTRl36HQ
[22:02] <brucemwhealtonjr> Ok, I think for this one, I'll just do the kodi install
[22:03] <brucemwhealtonjr> and they are cheap so I'll get another one that I can use for other tasks.
[22:03] <Bilby> brucemwhealtonjr, example vid https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P7m6HTV7ysM ignore all the "WOO 3D CASE" and IR remote nonsense
[22:03] <brucemwhealtonjr> Bilby: thanks
[22:04] <shaffl> Bilby: thank you
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[22:04] <Bilby> cheers ^_^
[22:05] <brucemwhealtonjr> By the way, there is a kit on Amazon that is about $100 and what I want to do is some programming and linux work and running a server
[22:05] <snowzone> is that the canakit one?
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[22:05] <pmumble> canakit one is amazing, i have one
[22:06] <brucemwhealtonjr> So, can anyone suggest where I can get the best deals?
[22:06] <snowzone> yeah me too, great start kit
[22:06] <pmumble> amazon canakit, brucemwhealtonjr
[22:06] <pmumble> there are 3 levels
[22:06] <pmumble> depending on how many accessories you want
[22:07] <pmumble> you could probably get away with the middle one if you dont want to play with electronics
[22:07] <pmumble> http://www.amazon.com/CanaKit-Raspberry-Complete-Original-Preloaded/dp/B008XVAVAW
[22:08] <brucemwhealtonjr> ok, so, as someone new to this, I'll want to try out different projects, but I can always get additional parts, I guess, instead of looking for a kit that says it has everything, only to learn that it for one, only comes with a very small microSD card
[22:08] <pmumble> the canakit ones come with 8GB, which is a fine starter size
[22:08] <pmumble> 4GB is too small.
[22:08] <ali1234> 8GB is too small
[22:08] <ali1234> don't buy a kit, they are full of junk you don't need
[22:08] <ali1234> and then cheap out on the important things like SD card size
[22:09] <brucemwhealtonjr> mixed feedback on the canakit... some saying don't get a kit
[22:09] <ali1234> learning starts before you buy
[22:10] <pmumble> well ultimately your decision, but 8GB has been fine for me and the canakit has been great. everyone is different.
[22:10] <Bilby> -if- you want everything in the kit, it's a good deal
[22:10] <Bilby> and 8GB is fine for most experimentation
[22:11] <brucemwhealtonjr> oh, just out of curiosity, how large a sd card can the Raspberry pi read? I mean you can get 128 or even 256GB microSD cards and I haven't found anything saying how large a microSD card can be used and why?
[22:11] <Bilby> I have an 8GB NOOBS card and it's been fine for what i use it for
[22:11] <autostatic> I'd stay away from kits
[22:11] <snowzone> and if you back up your card (like you'll want to) 8gb backup can take awhile... can't imagine waiting for a 64gb backup :)
[22:11] <AlephTwo> brucemwhealtonjr, Why don't you stock up on a bunch of cheap 8gig cards?
[22:11] <MY123> brucemwhealtonjr, 512 GB is working on a Pi1B
[22:11] <AlephTwo> Keep them in a small envelope
[22:12] <AlephTwo> If you're rebooting anyhow to reach the other os, it's almost as fast.
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[22:12] <brucemwhealtonjr> ok, thanks for that feedback... a few smaller ones sounds good and then a large storage microSD card for when I have more knowledge.
[22:13] <brucemwhealtonjr> and know what i want to build
[22:13] <brucemwhealtonjr> thanks... all
[22:13] <Encrypt> Byt he way, talking about SD Cards
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[22:13] <MY123> brucemwhealtonjr, less than 32GB is useless
[22:13] <MY123> for serious work
[22:13] <Encrypt> Most of the distros are using EXT4
[22:13] <Encrypt> Isn't nother filesystem more appropriate?
[22:13] <Bilby> it depends on what you're doing, doesn't it?
[22:13] <pmumble> serious work meaning what? lol
[22:14] <H__> MY123: I use 4G :-D
[22:14] <autostatic> Same here
[22:14] <snowzone> well it NOOBS *does* come with mathematica :)
[22:14] <Encrypt> I've heard that there exist filesystems for flash drives
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[22:14] <MY123> Bilby, yeah
[22:14] <ali1234> i'm using a 4G but i had to delete loads of packages to make space
[22:15] <ali1234> and i still only have like 50M free
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[22:15] <Bilby> the only thing I can think of that you'd want a larger card for is if you were doing somethign that was generating a lot of log files, or running a large-ish mini web server
[22:15] <AlephTwo> If I was needing to use large storage on the Pi, I'd contemplate trying to hook up an ssd - faster than microsd
[22:15] <MY123> Bilby, compiling the Linux kernel
[22:15] <AlephTwo> Especially for writes
[22:15] <Bilby> *shrug* I have a pache + php running on a 2GB card...
[22:15] <MY123> with QEMU optimization work
[22:15] <H__> AlephTwo: oh ?
[22:15] <MY123> Bilby, and I compile ReactOS on my Pi2 itself
[22:16] <Bilby> that's pretty nifty, but not what most people with a pi are probably doing...
[22:16] <snowzone> ReactOS is still around?
[22:16] <MY123> (also testing)
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[22:16] <ali1234> a linux kernel tree is like 2GB now, not including build-essential
[22:16] <MY123> snowzone, yeah, I'm writing code for it...
[22:16] <AlephTwo> If I was for example, wanting to store large quantities of video footage from the pi camera, I'd seriously contemplate anything other than microsd
[22:17] <snowzone> i'll have to check it out again, i tried out a really early version of it... probably 10+ years ago
[22:17] <H__> someone here using a 'regular' 2.5" SSD on the pi ?
[22:17] <AlephTwo> Not me, not yet.
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[22:17] <Bilby> I mean, you could, but you're streaming through USB 2.0 anyway so why bother? Just run a standard mechanical drive
[22:17] <AlephTwo> If you can hook up hard drives to usb controllers, you must be able to hook up ssd
[22:17] <AlephTwo> Bilby, impact security, lower power
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[22:17] <Bilby> that's true
[22:18] <Bilby> I don't even have SSD in all of my desktops though, i'm not bothering with my raspberry pi yet :P
[22:18] <AlephTwo> I installed one recently. Bios to desktop in 6 seconds :)
[22:18] <ali1234> SSDs actually don;t use much less power than a 2.5" HDD
[22:18] <Bilby> If I was going to do it on a Pi, I'd get an mSATA -> USB adapter and an mSATA SSD
[22:19] <AlephTwo> See. I knew there'd be a solution :)
[22:19] <ali1234> both are usually 2-3W
[22:19] <autostatic> I wouldn't compile kernels on the RPi itself
[22:19] <MY123> autostatic, why?
[22:19] <AlephTwo> Yeah, but you can't beat solid state for shock resistance
[22:20] <Bilby> actually, that'd make a nifty tiny-but-fast USB drive
[22:20] <ali1234> MY123: because it takes like a day?
[22:20] <MY123> it takes only half a hour
[22:20] <MY123> ali1234, on the Pi2, it's like a 20x speedup
[22:20] <AlephTwo> MY123, reminds me of my old 486/penti days
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[22:20] <ali1234> no it isn't
[22:20] <Bilby> though really just a big flash drive is cheaper
[22:20] <autostatic> Ah didn't know it only takes 30 minutes on a RPi2
[22:20] <MY123> ali1234, try it yourself
[22:21] <autostatic> My notebook is still twice as fast though
[22:21] <ali1234> it takes 15 minutes on a quad core x86
[22:21] <AlephTwo> Used to take hours back in my old slackware days. Ahhh, smell the nostalgia
[22:21] <autostatic> So I prefer doing it on my notebook
[22:21] <ali1234> best case the pi2 is about 7x faster than the old model
[22:22] <MY123> ali1234, it takes 2min on my Core-i7
[22:22] <autostatic> AlephTwo: not accounting downloading the kernel ;)
[22:22] <MY123> ali1234, and no. the speedup can be much more than 7x
[22:22] <AlephTwo> No, pure compile
[22:22] <autostatic> 2 minutes?
[22:23] <autostatic> That's probably with a non-standard kernel config
[22:23] <AlephTwo> I remember my first forays into self-compilation back in the 90's. Single core penti (I think)
[22:23] <AlephTwo> The slackware config used to take hours to tune as well, before the compile
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[22:24] <AlephTwo> Still operating system installation was fun back then :)
[22:24] <snowzone> i don't miss the manual X config
[22:24] <AlephTwo> hehe
[22:24] <autostatic> Oh yeah, slackware was my first distro too, took me days to download the iso
[22:24] <snowzone> it was mine too...
[22:24] <AlephTwo> Grabbed cds from magazines
[22:25] <AlephTwo> pre popular internet. Expensive phone calls to bbs :(
[22:25] <autostatic> I had a 486 in a kitchen cupboard with a 10" monitor
[22:25] <pmumble> multiple floppy drives and no hds
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[22:26] <AlephTwo> I installed linux onto my collection of commodore amigas at one point
[22:26] <AlephTwo> (*cough* back in the day)
[22:26] <pmumble> so sad i let my amigas go
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[22:26] <snowzone> sigh... i luvved my amiga too :)
[22:26] <AlephTwo> indeed. Was a prince amongst swine in those days
[22:27] <AlephTwo> Trust commodore to fsck things up
[22:27] <snowzone> yup
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[22:27] <AlephTwo> Just like clive sinclair messed up the speccy with his 16 bit "business" system (moron)
[22:27] <kanzie> Im struggling getting my vncserver to work on my new pi2 server
[22:27] <kanzie> I have followed the guide to the T on the raspberrypi website
[22:28] <snowzone> i used to use os/2 and once saw a commercial for IBM's (then new) Aptiva line... but instead of showing os/2 running on it, they showed NT4... i was done with it then
[22:28] <kanzie> but if I restart the pi I see the New ‘X’ desktop is rapberrypi:0 but I cant connect to it from my laptop
[22:28] <kanzie> it times out
[22:28] <kanzie> sorry, sometimes it works, sometimes not
[22:28] <pmumble> vnc runs on :1 and higher
[22:28] <kanzie> I dont really see why
[22:28] <snowzone> are you connecting to the right port?
[22:29] <AlephTwo> Are you using the correct protocol?
[22:29] <kanzie> pmumble: not really… it acutally starts at 5900, the last number is indicating instance
[22:29] <snowzone> i have vncserver running on my Pi right now in another window
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[22:29] <kanzie> so default vncserver is :0 which means 5900
[22:29] <snowzone> mine is on port 5901 which threw me off for awhile
[22:29] <kanzie> if you start one more instance, it would be :1 and 5901
[22:29] <snowzone> i only have once instance running
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[22:29] <kanzie> snowzone: well to be clear, I have it running in a window right now
[22:30] <kanzie> its just that if I restart the machine it will take several attempts to connect to it again and I dont know wy
[22:30] <pmumble> hm, ok...
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[22:30] <kanzie> snowzone: then it should run on 5900 if you havent changed the config
[22:30] <pmumble> i guess if you're not running a desktop that makes sense
[22:30] <kanzie> pmumble: perhaps it is that first time I try to connect it spawns a instance and it takes a while to be ready
[22:30] <ShorTie> still does take hours to fine tune a kernel
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[22:31] <AlephTwo> I was getting quite good at it once I was familiar with my hardware. Was fun :)
[22:31] <kanzie> pmumble: do you know any good guide to install deluge and move my existing deluge server over to the pi, plenty of seeds I dont want to lose
[22:31] <pmumble> when i run tightvnc on my pi it starts on :1, dunno
[22:32] <ShorTie> vncserver doesn't like port 5900, it uses 5901 more so
[22:32] <kanzie> ShorTie: as I mentioned before, the last number marks the instance you want to connect to
[22:33] <autostatic> ShorTie: what's there to tune?
[22:33] <kanzie> so you are then just connecting to the :1 instance
[22:33] <ShorTie> i know
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[22:33] <ShorTie> taking out the stuff you don't need mainly to make it lean and mean
[22:33] <pmumble> kanzie: i don't use bittorrent, i dont know
[22:34] <snowzone> kanzie: i didn't change my config and it's running on 5901
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[22:34] <kanzie> snowzone: yes, you probably have a script that is run by init.d which configures your instance. That means vncserver will start up, creating :0, then run your script creating :1…
[22:35] <Froolap> I give up
[22:35] <ShorTie> x11vnc is atlot easier to use port :0
[22:35] <autostatic> ShorTie: try 'make localconfig' ;)
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[22:36] <snowzone> kanzie: not seeing the init script. i usually fire it up manually, i only run it when i want to use mathematica on it.
[22:37] <kanzie> snowzone: ok, curious
[22:37] <snowzone> kanzie: yeah, i thought so too
[22:41] <kanzie> Anyone familiar with moving a deluge instance from one server to the pi?
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[23:26] <niston> heh http://www.mouser.ch/ProductDetail/Broadcom/BCM53101MKMLG/?qs=sGAEpiMZZMvfFCidbTccA7lgQEbn4fd2YnBzq7gn3rw%3d
[23:28] <niston> there's still no datasheets
[23:28] <niston> for broadcom switch chips
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[23:47] <kanzie> anyone else have problem with locale and perl
[23:47] <kanzie> keep getting the problem
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