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IRC Log for 2015-05-24

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[2:01] <kllrd> Evening. Anyone have a sec to help me out with a simple problem with Jasper modules?
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[2:05] <kllrd> I am running Jasper on my pi2. I created a module to turn on a LED with RPIO. In my module code I have: subprocess.call("~/jasper/client/modules/yellowon.sh", shell=TRUE) However when I speak the command for jasper to do it I get an error saying /bin/sh: 1: /root/jasper/client/modules/yellowon.sh: not found even though the file is in the modules directory
[2:05] <Froolap> there are no simple problems with jasper modules
[2:05] <Tenkawa> kllrd: is /root/jasper/client/modules/yellowon.sh chmod +x
[2:05] <Tenkawa> ?
[2:06] <Tenkawa> Froolap: greetings
[2:06] <Froolap> hi five... uh I mean ten
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[2:07] <pmumble> o/
[2:07] <Tenkawa> haahaa
[2:07] <Froolap> I never heard of jasper modules so tthey can't be too simple.
[2:07] <kllrd> Yes, I make sure the permissions were correct
[2:08] <Tenkawa> kllrd: can the user running it access that path?
[2:08] <kllrd> Jasper is the voice control software for raspi
[2:08] <Froolap> then it's not in a path that is being looked at.
[2:08] <Tenkawa> whats ls -lad /root/jasper/client/modules/yellowon.sh show from the user running the module?
[2:09] <kanzie> I want to run deluge and flexget on my Pi as well as use it for Kodi. As such I cant run the OpenELEC but would have to run Kodi as a stand-alone app, how do I best approach this? Just apt-get kodi or?
[2:09] <Froolap> there's voice control? how does it work? lol but would like to know more.
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[2:09] <kllrd> Im pretty new to linux and python, so bear with me. I can't access that exact path, so thats why it's not working
[2:09] <Tenkawa> yep
[2:10] <Tenkawa> that would cause that type of error
[2:10] <Froolap> kllrd: I stand corrected. there might be 1 simple problem with jasper modules. :)
[2:10] <kllrd> I need to figure out why ~/jasper/client/modules is taking me to root. i need it to go to the /home/pi/jasper/client/modules
[2:10] <Tenkawa> kllrd: no worries
[2:11] <Tenkawa> kllrd: becase ~ translates to current user
[2:11] <Tenkawa> so if root is running it ... /root... pi /home/pi etc
[2:12] <Froolap> specify your path in .bash_profile
[2:12] <Tenkawa> like go to a shell and type echo ~
[2:12] <kllrd> I see, thanks. I'm logged in as "pi" currently
[2:12] <Tenkawa> kllrd: that program is not running as pi if it converts ~ to /root
[2:12] <kllrd> When I do that, it returns /home/pi
[2:12] <Tenkawa> right
[2:13] <Tenkawa> now how does jasper get started?
[2:13] <Tenkawa> the app itself
[2:13] <kllrd> sudo python jasper.py
[2:13] <Tenkawa> thats why
[2:13] <Froolap> ah ha
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[2:13] <Tenkawa> sudo runs it as root
[2:13] <kllrd> So sudo runs as root, got it
[2:13] <Tenkawa> sudo echo ~
[2:14] <Tenkawa> that returns /root right?
[2:14] <Froolap> I thought that sudo just ment that the file was supposed to be executable.
[2:14] <Triffid_Hunter> Tenkawa: no, ~ gets interpreted by the shell, not the program
[2:14] <Tenkawa> Triffid_Hunter: sudo changes the effective owner
[2:14] <Triffid_Hunter> Tenkawa: also, sudo only changes effective UID, not real UID
[2:14] <kllrd> that returned /home/pi as well
[2:14] <Tenkawa> hmmm
[2:14] <Triffid_Hunter> Tenkawa: so? when you type sudo echo ~, first the shell converts ~ to /home/pi, then it passes "echo /home/pi" to sudo
[2:14] <Tenkawa> duh
[2:15] <Tenkawa> i was thinking one layer out
[2:15] <Tenkawa> uggh i'm too sleepy
[2:15] <Tenkawa> my apologies
[2:16] <kllrd> Okay, so I have to run this as su, otherwise it won't recognize my google voice api key. So from my module, would just typing out the entire path /pi/home/jasper/modules work, or would it still try to do root?
[2:16] <Tenkawa> now sudo python would run it as root though right?
[2:17] <Tenkawa> like doing a sudo sh "then" running the echo returns root
[2:18] <Tenkawa> since at that point sh is running as root
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[2:18] <Tenkawa> so wouldnt python be too?
[2:19] <Tenkawa> either way... kllrd does running python without the sudo work?
[2:19] <kllrd> no doest work. for some reason without doing as su it wont let me talk with my google speech api
[2:20] <Tenkawa> well darn
[2:20] <Froolap> too much sudo
[2:20] <kanzie> hmm, ok so I set up wifi and everything was dandy until reboot. Turns out I had to do startx and then connect all over again to get wifi, can I somehow have it automatically enable my wifi and conncet to my base station on reboot?
[2:21] <Tenkawa> sorry i confused things more... i think i need to stop computing for the night
[2:21] <Tenkawa> kllrd: good luck though.
[2:21] <Tenkawa> cheers all.. be back tomorroe.
[2:21] <Froolap> kanzie: which os are you running?
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[2:21] <Triffid_Hunter> Tenkawa: "echo /home/pi" gets run as root in the above example.. but ~ has already been converted so the result is counter-intuitive
[2:21] <kanzie> 1.4 Raspian
[2:22] <kanzie> setting it up in the desktop was a breeze, just thought that it actually saved this into a config to load upon boot
[2:22] <Froolap> ahhhh I dunno raspian, but... I can give you an idea
[2:22] <kanzie> I mean I can just add it to /etc/network/interfaces if that is what is needed but I kind of thought this was handled
[2:22] <Tenkawa> Triffid_Hunter: yeah...i'm going to just wrap it up fir now.
[2:22] <Tenkawa> er for
[2:23] <Froolap> do a startx as root, then right click on the icon for network manager and select edit network connections.
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[2:23] <Froolap> that should bring up a box that shows network devices and netrowk names, select the connection that isn't connecting at boot and edit
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[2:24] <Froolap> there will be a box somewhere that says: bring up interface at boot.... select that and allow all users to connect to this network.
[2:25] <Froolap> then save and the interface should auto connect on next boot,.
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[2:25] <kanzie> maybe its the save I have missed… Ill try that
[2:26] <kanzie> Froolap: do you have any experience with kodi on Pi2?
[2:26] <kanzie> Froolap: that was it, a save and everything is hunky-dory, thanks
[2:27] <kanzie> oh wait… not it came online and died again
[2:27] <kanzie> wtf
[2:27] <Froolap> kanzie: it might be fooling you. it might be connecting the network with ipv6 and then getting confused at trying to funnel traffic to an ipv4 address, thus you have a network connection, but no route....
[2:27] <kanzie> for a brief time during boot it had connection ,then died again
[2:27] <Froolap> kodi is only a word to me. sorry
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[2:28] <Froolap> kanzie: I tend to make my networks as ipv4 is required and ipv6 is ignored. the ipv6 tunnel never seems to work for me.
[2:29] <kanzie> hmm
[2:29] <kllrd> Got it to work!
[2:29] <Froolap> my router doesn't talk ipv6 and my isp doesn't talk ipv6 so....
[2:29] <kanzie> yeah I dont know if that is the problem though, but I agree with you… queer that ipv6 would be such a hazzle to just enforce
[2:29] <kllrd> Thanks for the info, pointed me in the right direction
[2:29] <Froolap> cool, what was the actual solution?
[2:31] <kanzie> Froolap: yeah still no go… wtf is wrong, its loading the right wpa config
[2:31] <HtheB> sorry for being offtopic, but does anyone know how I can find out if my notebooks HDMI video output is supporting a 297MHz clock via a direct output architecture?
[2:32] <Froolap> try typing ifconfig a few times. I notice on my pi that it boots up with ipv6 and might take a comple minutes to get ipv4.....
[2:33] <Froolap> or worse it starts with ipv4 and the network is fine but after a few minutes it gets an ipv6 address and breaks
[2:34] <Froolap> HtheB: I have no idea what you just said...
[2:35] <HtheB> Froolap: it's needed to use Oculus (retail version)
[2:37] <kanzie> Froolap: it actually seems to be my openvpn config that is messing things up
[2:37] <kanzie> of course
[2:37] <Froolap> I don't know such stuff, not genetic engineering. Just eyes. I just do eyes. You Nexus huh? I designed your eyes.
[2:37] <kanzie> I have to confirm it but so far that is the only likely candidate
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[2:39] <Froolap> kanzie: is this a wireless connect?
[2:39] <kanzie> yes
[2:40] <Froolap> dang..... I don;t know if your version of nmcli supports this....... nmcli con show (lists off configured connections for the interface)
[2:41] <kanzie> I can plug in a cable if that makes a difference. I can conirm that its my openvpn to airvpn that is messing thisngs up
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[2:42] <Froolap> I'm just trying to establish if the interface is connected with bad route and dhcp hasn't done it's thing...... if the configuration files are there and being looked at....
[2:42] <Tenkawa> thats better
[2:42] <Tenkawa> kllrd: any luck?
[2:42] <Froolap> it is?
[2:42] <kllrd> Sorry, was messin around
[2:43] <Tenkawa> Froolap: realized i was a bit hungry
[2:44] <kllrd> in the module, i had to changed it to "/home/pi/jasper/client/modules/yellowon.sh" for the subprocess.call and in the .sh file i had to change it to sudo python /home/pi/jasper/client/modules/leds/yellowon.py
[2:44] <kllrd> Had to use the full path basically
[2:44] <Tenkawa> ahhh
[2:44] <Tenkawa> so all is good?
[2:44] <Froolap> food?
[2:44] <kllrd> Yep, can now turn on and off the led with my voice! Thanks again
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[2:44] <Tenkawa> cool.. apologies again if i confused things there
[2:45] <kllrd> no worries, im very new to linux and python, so the info was good
[2:45] <Tenkawa> fun though isnt it?
[2:45] <kllrd> I've just dabbed with it over the years. Got my pi last week, so time to actually learn it
[2:45] <Tenkawa> cool
[2:45] <Tenkawa> have fun... i have many of them
[2:45] <Tenkawa> heheh
[2:45] <kllrd> Yeah, I enjoy it. I'm a big computer nerd, just never got around to learning linux
[2:46] <kllrd> i think i will buy a couple more before long, there are so many projects i want to do lol
[2:46] <Tenkawa> nice.
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[2:47] <kllrd> for this voice control, and the facial recognition i want to add, i would like to find a way to have a stronger computer do the majority of the processing, and the pi control all of the devices off of it
[2:47] <Tenkawa> anyone familiar with the gizmo board?
[2:48] <Froolap> kllrd: is your led yellow?
[2:48] <kllrd> yes, lol
[2:48] <Froolap> don't yell when you turn it on or off, it's a coward and you'll frighten it.
[2:49] <kllrd> was just trying to learn how to use the GPIO from jasper.. soon I'm going to try out this relay module i bought
[2:49] <Froolap> how did you make the voice sample?
[2:49] <kllrd> it is all build in to the software
[2:50] <kllrd> you have a list of words it can listen for, the smaller the list, the better the recognition
[2:50] <kllrd> and i have it using googles speech api for the tts return
[2:50] <Froolap> so you fon't get to record "lights on" "lights off"??
[2:50] <kllrd> nope
[2:50] <Froolap> does clapping your hands or listening to tv trip the led?
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[2:51] <kllrd> no, it specifically listens for the words and verifies them against the modules before running the code in them
[2:51] <kllrd> and right now i have it to not do anything until i say the initial command
[2:52] <Froolap> too bad, I was almost interested. would be cool if I could choose what words or sounds it reacted to.
[2:52] <kllrd> well words, you can add whatever you want to the word list
[2:53] <kllrd> im sure someone out there found a way to make it analyze input and compare to an audio file, but thats above my level right now
[2:53] <kllrd> would probably take a lot more power than the pi has as well
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[2:54] <Froolap> it would be cool if you could make it reply. I have some audio clips from I Dream Of Jeanie that would be funny...... Yes Master.
[2:54] <kllrd> you can do that
[2:54] <kllrd> you can make it say whatever you want as well as run commands
[2:54] <Froolap> ok, I'll have to look into it then, thanks
[2:55] <kllrd> ive also seen people playin .wav files with it, but i haven't looked into that..
[2:55] <kllrd> wouldn't be hard, its all python so however you play a wav in python
[2:55] <Froolap> I never looked at python.
[2:56] <kllrd> me either before this, only a little c
[2:56] <kllrd> and this is much more simple tbh
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[2:57] <kllrd> have you messed around with any facial recognition stuff?
[3:03] <Froolap> nope. voice command was as far as I got and that was in windows 10 years ago.
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[3:30] <Wilbur> Hi, does anyone have experience with pitft and pygame? I'm having some problems initializing the touchscreen it seems :/
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[3:32] <Wilbur> using os.putenv('SDL_MOUSEDRV' , 'TSLIB') and os.putenv('SDL_MOUSEDEV' , '/dev/input/touchscreen')
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[3:37] <ali1234> don't use pygame
[3:38] <ali1234> use PySDL2 instead
[3:39] <ali1234> did you check if you have permissions on /dev/input/touchscreen?
[3:39] <ali1234> and also that it exists?
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[3:40] <Wilbur> Yes, it exists and I have permissions
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[3:42] <kllrd> Anyone know of a good guide to install xbmc on top of raspbian? I don't want to use the pre made xbmc img
[3:44] <HtheB> search for kodi
[3:44] <HtheB> http://kodi.wiki/view/HOW-TO:Install_Kodi_on_Raspberry_Pi
[3:44] <kllrd> thanks
[3:45] <HtheB> np
[3:46] <kllrd> Can you interact with it externally? I'm wanting to use voice control from jasper to do various functions in it
[3:47] <HtheB> donno, never tried
[3:47] <kllrd> Ill give it a shot, im sure theres a way to do it
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[4:15] <AfterDarkness> hello i am looking for a mosfet to control a 20 volt device by the pi
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[4:42] <hoherd> bleh, i wish hostapd would support non-static entries in the accept file.
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[4:42] <hoherd> like substring matches
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[4:50] <ozzzy> AfterDarkness, IRLZ44N
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[5:00] <pr0tlogic> Is there an official release of freebsd for the pi with the arm processor?
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[5:42] <AfterDarkness> ty ozzzy btw the Vgs is that the difference between the gate and source?
[5:44] <tawr> think about it AfterDarkness
[5:44] <tawr> separate the letters.
[5:44] <AfterDarkness> gate to source it seems
[5:44] <tawr> Voltage - Gate Source.
[5:44] <tawr> Vgs
[5:45] <tawr> vgs is usually the voltage that a mosfet switches totally 'on' - saturation
[5:45] <tawr> mosfets can handle massive amounts of power when saturated, in linear mode they cannot handle any. so getting to saturaion is very important
[5:45] <tawr> don't get a mosfet with a vgs or v(th) of 20v or something
[5:46] <AfterDarkness> this is the mosfet that my local store has http://www.onsemi.com/pub_link/Collateral/NTD5867NL-D.PDF
[5:47] <AfterDarkness> i am experimenting with it, but i dont think i am getting the correct results
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[5:47] <AfterDarkness> current is going passing throw and i dont seem to be able to control it
[5:48] <tawr> you dont have it corrected properly then
[5:48] <tawr> :)
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[5:48] <AfterDarkness> yea it seems so :D
[5:49] <tawr> always the first thing to do
[5:49] <tawr> check the pinout
[5:49] <tawr> do you have a resistor between the gate and source?
[5:49] <AfterDarkness> should my ground in the pi or arduino be connected to the positive of the 20v source?
[5:49] <tawr> NO
[5:50] <tawr> what the hell
[5:50] <tawr> no
[5:50] <AfterDarkness> okay :D
[5:50] <AfterDarkness> i didnt do it yet
[5:50] <tawr> all the negatives get connected
[5:50] <tawr> that's it
[5:50] <AfterDarkness> i mean how is current going to go throw the gate?
[5:50] <AfterDarkness> i mean voltage
[5:51] <Triffid_Hunter> hm, that mosfet is gonna be linear with only 3.3v on the gate
[5:51] <tawr> uh
[5:51] <tawr> from gate to negative
[5:51] <tawr> which are all connected, between the pi, mosfet, and 20v supply
[5:52] <tawr> it shows ~10A Triffid_Hunter at 3.3v
[5:52] <Triffid_Hunter> yeah, mosfets do constant current in linear mode
[5:53] <Triffid_Hunter> saturation is where Id tends to infinity, ie depends quite entirely on the external load
[5:55] <AfterDarkness> is possible that the mosfet is broken from connecting the gate to say 20 volts?
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[5:57] <Triffid_Hunter> AfterDarkness: Vgs(max) is 20v, it should be ok
[5:57] <AfterDarkness> okay great phew
[5:59] <tawr> mosfets are pretty robust devices
[5:59] <tawr> if they break, you normally know it without a doubt
[6:00] <tawr> because there's either an explosion or lots of smoke and glowing-red going on
[6:00] <AfterDarkness> are they made by semi conductors? similar to transistors?
[6:00] <Triffid_Hunter> yeah although when they do die, they tend to fail with DS shorted.. sometimes they fail with DG shorted, which is a really bad failure mode
[6:00] <Triffid_Hunter> AfterDarkness: they are transistors, just a different sort to BJTs
[6:00] <Triffid_Hunter> AfterDarkness: the T in mosfet stands for transistor - metal oxide semiconductor field effect transistor
[6:03] <tawr> AfterDarkness, _everything_ is semiconductors.. everything
[6:03] <AfterDarkness> well i guess i word it wrong. what i mean is if the difference is with semiconductors used that make a difference between a general transistor and a mosfet
[6:03] <tawr> if it's not wire, it's a semiconductor :P
[6:03] <Triffid_Hunter> AfterDarkness: mosfets use field effect, BJTs use... something a little more complex
[6:03] <tawr> the mechanism of action and the way it's constructed determine what type of semiconductor it is, AfterDarkness
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[6:03] <tawr> that's a whole other thing that you just need to read up on
[6:04] <tawr> people go to school and take semesters to learn that :P
[6:04] <Triffid_Hunter> AfterDarkness: mosfet is basically a special diode with two connections to the cathode, and an insulated connection that can sweep electrons into or out of the region of the cathode between the two connections
[6:04] <sandman> Can anyone recommend a good web-interface for a firewall on the RPi? I want it to behave sort of like a WRT54G router, you know? Where you can visit it and get a nice front-end
[6:04] <Triffid_Hunter> AfterDarkness: enhancement mode (which you have now) is configured so the two connections don't have any electrons between them normally, and the gate has to become positively charged and pull electrons in
[6:05] <Triffid_Hunter> AfterDarkness: sorry I should clarify, I mean free, unbound electrons. there's plenty of bound electrons locked in the crystalline lattice
[6:05] <AfterDarkness> tanks guys
[6:06] <Triffid_Hunter> sandman: hm, is smoothwall still around? what does openwrt use? or tomato?
[6:06] <sandman> Triffid_Hunter: I'm looking into that stuff now
[6:06] <Triffid_Hunter> AfterDarkness: http://amasci.com/ele-edu.html is a great read if you're fuzzy on fundamentals
[6:06] <pksato> AfterDarkness: difference is how these are made. And that solid state theory uses.
[6:07] <AfterDarkness> ill bookmark that. Currently i am in a hurry to get it working
[6:08] <Triffid_Hunter> AfterDarkness: bookmark http://www.mcmanis.com/chuck/robotics/projects/esc2/FET-power.html too, it's about mosfets
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[6:09] <AfterDarkness> does it matter which way the positive and the negative is connected on the source/drain?
[6:10] <Triffid_Hunter> AfterDarkness: lol absolutely
[6:10] <AfterDarkness> xD
[6:10] <Triffid_Hunter> AfterDarkness: for n-channel enhancement mode mosfet, source goes to ground, drain goes to load's -ve
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[6:10] <Triffid_Hunter> AfterDarkness: if you swap source and drain, you have a rather high power diode
[6:10] <Triffid_Hunter> remember, a mosfet is basically a big diode with some tricks added on
[6:10] <AfterDarkness> so the mosfet will get hot quickly and waste enegery
[6:11] <Triffid_Hunter> AfterDarkness: oh there's *lots* of ways to make them do that
[6:11] <AfterDarkness> hahaha
[6:11] <AfterDarkness> i even tried to connected it from gate
[6:11] <Triffid_Hunter> AfterDarkness: you know you've got it hooked up right and driven properly when it varies between stone cold and mildly warm
[6:12] <Triffid_Hunter> AfterDarkness: measure resistance between source and drain with gate shorted to source with your multimeter, if it doesn't read infinity you may have destroyed it from overheating
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[6:14] <AfterDarkness> okay will do that an get back to you
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[6:19] <AfterDarkness> so i did that, but just to be sure, no power is needed while doing the measurement right? if yes, then i always get 1.6(ohm) doesnt matter if gate is shorted or not
[6:19] <AfterDarkness> i do remember making my mosfet get hot, but it wasnt that hot :S it seems that i broke it
[6:20] <AfterDarkness> the good thing i was using an arudino to do the testing good thing i didnt use the pi
[6:21] <Triffid_Hunter> AfterDarkness: yeah, no power. just mosfet and meter. you have the negative lead on source/gate and positive on drain, right?
[6:21] <AfterDarkness> ahhh does that matter too?
[6:21] <AfterDarkness> you mean the leads on the multimeter right
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[6:22] <Triffid_Hunter> AfterDarkness: usually it doesn't, but some meters have enough voltage in resistance test mode to forward bias a diode
[6:22] <AfterDarkness> man i am such an idiot when it comes to electronics, I am better when it comes to software :(
[6:22] <AfterDarkness> alright i will test again
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[6:36] <AfterDarkness> yeah 1.6 doesnt matter which way
[6:41] <AfterDarkness> Triffid_Hunter, i am going to buy a couple of mosfet now, but the one i broke is kind of far from me. the store right next to my location have this http://www.mouser.com/ds/2/308/ntp18n06l-d-304903.pdf
[6:41] <AfterDarkness> it should be okay Vgs =5 gives 88mOhm
[6:42] <Triffid_Hunter> AfterDarkness: always use worst case number, not typical
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[6:42] <AfterDarkness> so max?
[6:42] <Triffid_Hunter> AfterDarkness: also, that 100mΩ is at 25°C. Combine with Fig.5 to see a worst-case Rds(on)@Vgs=5v of about 200mΩ
[6:43] <Triffid_Hunter> AfterDarkness: in this case, yes max. sometimes worst case is minimum
[6:43] <Triffid_Hunter> eg Vds(max)
[6:43] <AfterDarkness> i am not going to use it for a real porject i just want to make a proof of concept for my project and i am out of time. This is the only LG model this store have : /
[6:43] <Froolap> then what?
[6:44] <Triffid_Hunter> AfterDarkness: where are you getting your 5v gate drive from? the RPi only puts out 3.3v
[6:44] <AfterDarkness> oh true
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[6:44] <Froolap> the usb port
[6:44] <AfterDarkness> i still need the pi to drive it
[6:44] <AfterDarkness> ill get the same one then
[6:45] <AfterDarkness> 30 min drive from my home :S
[6:45] <Triffid_Hunter> there are extremely few mosfets in through-hole packages that work with 3.3v gate drive, just so you know.. pick up a gate driver IC while you're there for best results
[6:45] <AfterDarkness> that is without traffic
[6:45] <Triffid_Hunter> AfterDarkness: the other one wasn't ideal with 3.3v gate drive either
[6:45] <AfterDarkness> yeah
[6:46] <AfterDarkness> what is the purpose of the gate driver?
[6:47] <Triffid_Hunter> AfterDarkness: accepts a logic signal, and drives a few amps into or out of the mosfet gate so it switches superfast
[6:47] <Froolap> get the 5v from usb and use a transistor on the 3.3v to trip it.
[6:50] <AfterDarkness> Froolap, I see what you mean. The pi has a 5v pin
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[6:51] <Froolap> just not handy
[6:51] <AfterDarkness> ?
[6:51] <AfterDarkness> what do you mean?
[6:51] <Froolap> witing into usb for 5v,
[6:52] <AfterDarkness> I think will just go for the original mosfet and get a gate driver then
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[7:11] <AfterDarkness> Triffid_Hunter, i couldnt find a gate driver in any of the local stores :/
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[7:12] <Triffid_Hunter> AfterDarkness: got some spare transistors and things lying around? bottom half of http://triffid-hunter.no-ip.info/gate%20driver.png should do the job
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[7:13] <Triffid_Hunter> the top half is a crude linear regulator that supplies the gate driver with ~15v, since this is designed to work with a 24v supply
[7:13] <Triffid_Hunter> you can switch Q7 for a BJT if you like, just move R7 to be in series with the base
[7:13] <Triffid_Hunter> can switch D1 for a BJT too if you want
[7:16] <AfterDarkness> I've got plenty of 2N2222
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[7:27] <AfterDarkness> Triffid_Hunter, so JP1 would be my pi?
[7:27] <Triffid_Hunter> AfterDarkness: yep
[7:27] <AfterDarkness> i noticed sgnd is that the ground of the pi?
[7:28] <Triffid_Hunter> AfterDarkness: actually if your supply is 20v then you may need to keep the top section, or drop in a 7812 if you have one lying around
[7:28] <Triffid_Hunter> AfterDarkness: in electronics, all grounds must be connected together unless you know exactly what you're doing
[7:28] <AfterDarkness> i dont have a regelatur i am planning to power my pi from usb
[7:29] <Triffid_Hunter> AfterDarkness: what is the mosfet gonna switch?
[7:29] <AfterDarkness> a solenoid
[7:29] <AfterDarkness> 24AC but it works on dc
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[7:30] <Triffid_Hunter> AfterDarkness: right, so you have 24vDC which you can feed into the gate driver, which cuts it down to 12v using Q2/Q6/R4-6
[7:30] <AfterDarkness> and the power supply that i have is a 19V laptop charger
[7:30] <Triffid_Hunter> AfterDarkness: it's never a good idea to run components at more than about 80% of their maximum
[7:30] <Triffid_Hunter> ie I wouldn't put more than 16v into a mosfet gate
[7:31] <AfterDarkness> I was planning to hook an output from the pi into the gate
[7:31] <Triffid_Hunter> AfterDarkness: 16v may be too much, but 3.3v isn't enough
[7:32] <Triffid_Hunter> and RPi gpio only puts out 3.3v
[7:32] <AfterDarkness> but isnt that the purpose of the LG mosfets?
[7:32] <AfterDarkness> they have low gate to source voltage
[7:32] <Triffid_Hunter> AfterDarkness: you didn't link any LG mosfets
[7:33] <Triffid_Hunter> AfterDarkness: does it list Rds(on)@Vgs=3v ?
[7:33] <AfterDarkness> you know the one that i broke
[7:33] <Triffid_Hunter> the onsemi one?
[7:33] <AfterDarkness> http://www.onsemi.com/pub_link/Collateral/NTD5867NL-D.PDF
[7:33] <AfterDarkness> yeah
[7:33] <AfterDarkness> i am gonna get a new one
[7:33] <Triffid_Hunter> AfterDarkness: see Figure 1 and 2 on page 3
[7:34] <Triffid_Hunter> and figure 3 too I suppose.. the mosfet is still linear at 3.3v, it may get rather hot as a result
[7:35] <AfterDarkness> so you reckon best option to go with the circut u provided with a regulator?
[7:35] <Triffid_Hunter> AfterDarkness: yeah, Q2/Q6/R4-6 form an extremely crude regulator, feel free to replace them with a 7812 if you have one lying around
[7:37] <AfterDarkness> 7812 i can get that
[7:37] <AfterDarkness> so the 7812 will step down the 19 volts to 12?
[7:43] <Triffid_Hunter> yes
[7:44] <AfterDarkness> Triffid_Hunter, sorry for making you check everything, but can you see if this mosfet will be okay using that circuit you gave http://www.mouser.com/ds/2/308/ntp18n06l-d-304903.pdf
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[7:45] <AfterDarkness> btw are you hosting the creat3d.com.au website?
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[7:45] <AfterDarkness> i am in Sydney
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[7:46] <Triffid_Hunter> AfterDarkness: basically any mosfet will do fine with something that feeds its gate 10v
[7:46] <Triffid_Hunter> AfterDarkness: yeah create3d is mine
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[7:58] <AfterDarkness> Triffid_Hunter, so just to make sure, R7 hooked to JP1(1) and Q7(2n2.. transistor) base, Q7 eimtor to 12v and its collector to gnd and all gnd are the negative of my power supply. the rest of the bottom of the circuit will be left as is except 'heater' will be the solenoid
[8:00] <AfterDarkness> i think the emitter and the collector should be the reverse in Q7
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[8:04] <Triffid_Hunter> AfterDarkness: oh, with a solenoid you need a flyback diode too
[8:04] <Triffid_Hunter> AfterDarkness: otherwise the mosfet will be destroyed when you turn the solenoid off
[8:05] <AfterDarkness> is it a normal diode?
[8:05] <Triffid_Hunter> AfterDarkness: shottky works best, but normal is better than nothing
[8:06] <AfterDarkness> like this one http://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Fairchild-Semiconductor/UF4002/?qs=NwIfwa72Flr49pi1EQDdUQ%3D%3D
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[8:06] <AfterDarkness> http://www.altronics.com.au/p/z0065-stps1545f-40v-15a-schottky-diode/
[8:07] <Triffid_Hunter> AfterDarkness: it's not shottky, but it's probably fast enough to work fine
[8:07] <AfterDarkness> the other one
[8:08] <Triffid_Hunter> AfterDarkness: heh that's a pretty big diode, a 1N5819 would work fine
[8:08] <Triffid_Hunter> AfterDarkness: that would work too, but it's kinda excessive
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[8:08] <AfterDarkness> got it
[8:09] <AfterDarkness> so the diode from the mosfet drain to the solenoid
[8:09] <Triffid_Hunter> AfterDarkness: https://brenamanf.files.wordpress.com/2014/08/flyback_diode.gif
[8:10] <AfterDarkness> the transistor would be the mosfet in my case?
[8:10] <Triffid_Hunter> yes
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[8:12] <AfterDarkness> so basicly from the 19v to the drain parallel with the solenoid
[8:12] <Triffid_Hunter> AfterDarkness: yep
[8:13] <AfterDarkness> what about the Q7 did i get that correctly?
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[8:15] <AfterDarkness> btw Triffid_Hunter side question how are you hosting your website? just wondering.
[8:15] <Triffid_Hunter> AfterDarkness: well I used a signal mosfet for Q7, if you use a BJT, it should be NPN. emitter goes to ground, collector to R1, base to R7, other side of R7 to your RPi GPIO
[8:16] <Triffid_Hunter> AfterDarkness: got a virtual machine with rackspace
[8:16] <Triffid_Hunter> used to host out of my living room, but got over it and I just rent now
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[8:17] <AfterDarkness> is there noticeable a benefits from using rackspace
[8:17] <Froolap> it keeps things off of the floor
[8:18] <Triffid_Hunter> I only pay about $11/month.. there's cheaper deals around, but rackspace are super reliable, never had issues with them. also, internet connections here are notoriously flakey
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[8:22] <snapfractalpop> I have a bunch of MAME roms that don't seem to work on raspberry pi with retropie. Does anyone know where to find versions that work?
[8:23] <AfterDarkness> Triffid_Hunter, so D3 is a zener diode?
[8:24] <Triffid_Hunter> AfterDarkness: oh yeah, I put that instead of a flyback. you can use either one. shottkys are cheaper
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[8:26] <AfterDarkness> alright i will go with shottkys, and i can't get bc558 transistors would BC639 work?
[8:27] <Triffid_Hunter> AfterDarkness: any signal PNP should be fine
[8:27] <AfterDarkness> 80V across c and B
[8:27] <AfterDarkness> oh i thought it was NPN
[8:27] <AfterDarkness> my bad
[8:28] <Triffid_Hunter> AfterDarkness: Q2/Q6 are NPN
[8:29] <AfterDarkness> i found bc558 actully i was just filtering for NPN
[8:29] <AfterDarkness> yeah but q2/q6 will be replaced with a 7812
[8:30] <AfterDarkness> i will still get one of those for Q7
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[8:34] <AfterDarkness> Triffid_Hunter, thanks for sticking with me :)
[8:34] <Triffid_Hunter> AfterDarkness: good luck :)
[8:34] <Triffid_Hunter> AfterDarkness: do you understand how the gate driver works?
[8:34] <AfterDarkness> I am not sure.
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[8:36] <Triffid_Hunter> AfterDarkness: Q7/Q3 are basic logic inverters
[8:37] <AfterDarkness> I see
[8:37] <AfterDarkness> that
[8:37] <Triffid_Hunter> AfterDarkness: Q4/R2 are interesting, Q4 basically divides R2's resistance by its gain when Q3 is off, but when Q3 is on, Q4 is off and current flows through D1
[8:37] <AfterDarkness> converts 3.3v to 12v right
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[8:38] <Triffid_Hunter> so Q3 can turn the gate on with hardly any current lost to R2, but when Q3 turns off, Q4 makes R2 look like a ~5 ohm resistor from gate to ground
[8:38] <Triffid_Hunter> this means we can both charge and discharge the gate rapidly
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[8:39] <AfterDarkness> I see. I still need to do the math myself to understand it fully
[8:40] <AfterDarkness> first i need to read on PNP as i am not sure if i know how they differ from a NPN
[8:40] <SE7EN`> .
[8:40] <Triffid_Hunter> AfterDarkness: basically the same, but opposite polarity
[8:42] <AfterDarkness> lol SE7EN`
[8:42] <Wegge> 0
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[8:45] <AfterDarkness> why would q4 be off when q3 is on?
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[8:58] <Froolap> AfterDarkness: npn -+- pnp +-+ when a voltage hits the middle pin it changes polarity and allows cutrrent to flow.
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[9:01] <AfterDarkness> but why wouldnt current go throw Q4's base when Q3 is on
[9:01] <AfterDarkness> here: http://triffid-hunter.no-ip.info/gate%20driver.png
[9:02] <Froolap> I didn't see the sam, sorry, can't really read them.
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[9:03] <AfterDarkness> no worries, understanding it would be nice, but I dont really have to at the moment
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[9:03] <Froolap> you are thinking of it all wrong.......
[9:04] <AfterDarkness> How?
[9:05] <Froolap> You have collector (input voltage) base (trigger) emmiter..... voltage can only flow from collector to emmiter. The base is just a trigger....
[9:05] <AfterDarkness> yes i know that
[9:05] <Froolap> Think of it like 3 diodes..... the two on the outside flow in the same direction, but the one in the middle is reversed.
[9:06] <AfterDarkness> for a BJT it is not based on voltage it is current based or am i wrong
[9:06] <Froolap> It takes a voltage to charge the semi-conductor to make it change it's polarite..... then voltage can flow....
[9:07] <Triffid_Hunter> AfterDarkness: PNP is opposite polarity to NPN, so Q3 turns Q4 off by pulling its base towards +ve
[9:07] <Triffid_Hunter> AfterDarkness: in just the same way that NPNs are turned off when you pull the base towards ground
[9:07] <AfterDarkness> oh damn it
[9:08] <AfterDarkness> when apply current it turns off
[9:08] <AfterDarkness> my bad :P
[9:08] <AfterDarkness> so in that setup only one can be on since the collector is connected to Q4's base
[9:09] <AfterDarkness> so when Q3 is off voltage from the gate will escape to ground since Q4 is on
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[9:11] <McBride36> Froolap, do you ever sleep
[9:11] <Froolap> around the clock.
[9:12] <Froolap> I'm only awake for about 2 hours at a time.
[9:14] <Triffid_Hunter> AfterDarkness: yep. unlike BJTs, mosfets will stay on if you disconnect the gate. you actually have to discharge the gate to ground to get it to turn off
[9:14] <AfterDarkness> that is a pain :/
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[9:16] <AfterDarkness> wouldnt using a high voltage transistor be better than using a mosfet in my case? or at least easier?
[9:17] <Triffid_Hunter> AfterDarkness: the main advantage of mosfets is that they're a voltage-controlled resistor rather than a junction, so when they're on they can be an almost perfect short circuit
[9:18] <Triffid_Hunter> AfterDarkness: eg mosfets with on resistance of 1mΩ are available, when passing 50A, such a mosfet would dissipate only 50 * 50 * 0.001= 2.5 watts
[9:18] <Triffid_Hunter> AfterDarkness: in comparison, a BJT has Vce(sat) of typically 0.3v or so. 50A * 0.3v = 15 watts, and that doesn't take into account the base drive required to get it to conduct 50A in the first place!
[9:19] <AfterDarkness> fair enough
[9:19] <Triffid_Hunter> AfterDarkness: power BJTs typically have gain of about 10, so the base current would have to be 5A at 0.7v which is another 3.5 watts, and then you need another transistor to push 5A into the base
[9:19] <Triffid_Hunter> AfterDarkness: so a BJT ends up dissipating almost 10x as much power as a mosfet with a load like that
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[9:20] <AfterDarkness> I'll steal your circuit for future projects :P\
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[9:20] <Triffid_Hunter> can't steal what's offered freely :P
[9:21] <Triffid_Hunter> and the ones I don't want stolen are a little more complex than this :D
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[9:23] <AfterDarkness> ty I dont want anything more complex than this xD I give you credit in the reference
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[9:26] <AfterDarkness> Triffid_Hunter, just to make sure i dont break any more mosfets, positive voltage from the multimeter has to go the gate, and come out from the source
[9:26] <Triffid_Hunter> AfterDarkness: yeah, source always connects to ground for n-channel power fets
[9:26] <AfterDarkness> since i dont want to use the diode in from the source to drain
[9:27] <Triffid_Hunter> AfterDarkness: also note that the tab is connected to drain (output), which is kinda annoying in some ways, but it's necessary because of how the mosfet is made internally
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[9:27] <Triffid_Hunter> and drain is always the middle pin too, same reason
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[9:37] <MACscr> anyone recommend or know of a decent 120v step down "buck" for the Pi that is 2amps? Everything im finding that works with ac to dc only does 1amp
[9:37] <MACscr> need something small to go in a gang box with the pi
[9:39] <ShorTie> stripout like a phone charger
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[9:48] <MACscr> im trying to do it without any "hacking". im sure there are some that already exist and my google kung fu is just failing me
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[9:49] <ShorTie> maybe try ebay
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[10:01] <dreamon> hello.having a strange issue using wicd. so want to try nm (network-manager). is nm working? Im not using any kinde of gui.
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[10:34] <spat> I am running arch and when I perform a system update it runs into multiple kworker timeouts. Is the raspberry pi just extremely poor at handling IO or could my Class 10 SD card be not really class 10?
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[10:34] <Triffid_Hunter> spat: speed classes only tell you about sequential write, whereas OS workloads are random write.
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[10:35] <Triffid_Hunter> spat: high speed cards with high sequential write frequently have much slower random write than lower class cards
[10:35] <Triffid_Hunter> spat: last time I checked, the cards with fastest random write were all class 2
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[10:36] <spat> Triffid_Hunter: Didn´t know that. What card woud give an nice overall performance?
[10:37] <Triffid_Hunter> spat: ask google for SD card 4k random write benchmarks
[10:37] <spat> thanks!
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[10:56] <ShorTie> the foundation used class4, but i think it's class 6 now
[10:56] <ShorTie> is a true class 10 sdcard or a hybrid U1/C10 type ??
[10:57] <spat> Triffid_Hunter: why 4k by the way?
[10:58] <spat> ShorTie: I saw some good class 6 cards but it seems most benchmarks are a few years old
[10:58] <Triffid_Hunter> spat: seems to be a common size block used in that sort of test
[10:59] <spat> Triffid_Hunter: Most SD cards perform realy bad with 4k. Was wondering if that is used by default by arch
[10:59] <ShorTie> really don't think those benchmakes mean much to the pi
[10:59] <Kardos> the blocksize of the filesystem is what matters, yes?
[11:00] <Triffid_Hunter> Kardos: yep
[11:00] <ShorTie> what those benchmarkes do and how the pi uses a sdcard are not really much alike i don't think
[11:00] <ShorTie> blocksize is setup at format time
[11:01] <Triffid_Hunter> spat: if you know the blocksize of your filesystem, the results at that size would be most relevant
[11:01] <Kardos> right, and its usually small... mine is 1k (ssd, not pi), does pi use a different size by default?
[11:01] <ShorTie> which is 512 if i remember right
[11:01] <Triffid_Hunter> especially if you formatted the card so the blocks were aligned
[11:03] <spat> I used noobs to install arch. Hope it tries to align the stuff
[11:05] <ShorTie> noobs just plays with the sdcard, i'd dump it
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[11:07] <ShorTie> arch in noobs is kinda old too...
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[11:11] <MACscr> is the usb input the only way to power the pi with ac power?
[11:12] <ShorTie> on a B+ or rpi2 yes, atleast to boot it
[11:12] <Triffid_Hunter> MACscr: you can power it through the GPIO port - http://triffid-hunter.no-ip.info/101_0059.JPG - but an off-by-one plugging error will fry it
[11:13] <MACscr> ok, im just trying to come up with a solution that will work for both a pi or an arduino
[11:13] <MACscr> thanks Triffid_Hunter
[11:13] <ShorTie> that doesn't work on newer pi's
[11:13] <MACscr> ah, that stinks
[11:14] <Triffid_Hunter> ShorTie: orly? what did they do?
[11:15] <ShorTie> changed up the regulator circuit to add that voltage monitor and made it so micro-usb power must be used to boot it
[11:16] <ShorTie> once it's booted, i think you can switch over
[11:16] <Triffid_Hunter> ugh
[11:16] <ShorTie> but like why, your bypassing all the protections
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[11:16] <MACscr> lol, why would you boot with one and switch to another?
[11:17] <ShorTie> got me
[11:17] <MACscr> crap, so i cant use the same for both
[11:18] <ShorTie> sure
[11:18] <ShorTie> you can always pigtail the power input out
[11:19] <ShorTie> outside of fuse for +, i believe, and all kinds of ground points
[11:20] <ShorTie> i normally use the micro-usb shield places
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[11:20] <ShorTie> or just cut a micro-usb cable up
[11:21] <ShorTie> or get some micro-usb ends, like 10/buck, off of ebay and make your own cable
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[11:23] <MACscr> right, but because of the angle, it just takes up more space =/
[11:25] <ShorTie> since 5vdc is like 5vdc, i guess you could solder a wire from the +5v gpio to the fuse
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[11:26] <ShorTie> but un-tested and not sure on that 1
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[13:07] <Captain_Crow> hi
[13:08] <Captain_Crow> is it difficult to install a linux os on a rasberrypi?
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[13:08] <ShorTie> nop
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[13:09] <ShorTie> but different ways depending on what cha want
[13:11] <ShorTie> and what os the main pc is runnin
[13:13] <Captain_Crow> is the "NOOBS" installer cross platform?
[13:14] <ShorTie> i really don't recommend noobs
[13:14] <ShorTie> it just eats up the sdcard and can cause problems on down the road
[13:14] <ShorTie> just as easy to to the latest raspbian and write it to the sdcard
[13:15] <Captain_Crow> whats raspbian?
[13:15] <ShorTie> it's the offical os of the raspberry pi
[13:18] <teclo-> yeah go with Raspbian
[13:18] <teclo-> most people use Raspbian on their Raspberry Pi
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[13:21] <Captain_Crow> does NOOBS run on linux?
[13:22] <Kunsi> NOOBS is designed to run on your raspi
[13:22] <ShorTie> basically, no, it is a windows type thing
[13:23] <ShorTie> because it runs from a windows partition is why i say that
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[13:23] <ShorTie> it is just a bootloader typr thing
[13:23] <ShorTie> not a operating system
[13:24] <ShorTie> s/typr/type/
[13:24] <MY123> ShorTie, it's a custom Linux with buildroot and uCLibc
[13:24] <Captain_Crow> is there an installer for raspbian that can be used from a linux distro?
[13:24] <MY123> that's why it eats so much space
[13:24] <MY123> Captain_Crow, dd
[13:24] <MY123> or the classic debootstrap :P
[13:25] <ShorTie> it consumes like 800megs of your sdcard and put everything into a extended partition
[13:25] <ShorTie> no, it eats so much sdcard because it keeps a compressed image of raspbian
[13:26] <ShorTie> for easy re-install i guess
[13:26] <MY123> ShorTie, it still eats some space with NOOBS net
[13:26] <MY123> network only)
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[13:26] <ShorTie> true, i guess, never used it really
[13:27] <Captain_Crow> is raspbian a debian fork?
[13:27] <ShorTie> to easy ,and better imho, to just flash raspbian
[13:27] <ShorTie> yes sir
[13:27] <ShorTie> it's debian made for the pi
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[13:27] <cheesenbiscuits> Hi All
[13:27] <Captain_Crow> is it running on x11?
[13:28] <ShorTie> has all the special sauce needed for the pi to run right
[13:28] <ShorTie> ya, it has X
[13:28] <ShorTie> uses lxde as a desktop
[13:28] <clever> normal xorg with a framebuffer
[13:28] <cheesenbiscuits> I'm running an rsync script and I need to connect to a non-standard ssh port...
[13:28] <Kunsi> cheesenbiscuits: rsync -e "ssh -p 500"
[13:29] <cheesenbiscuits> thanks Kunsi :)
[13:29] <cheesenbiscuits> that was fast!
[13:29] <Kunsi> :)
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[13:30] <ShorTie> there are ways to get a basic 'Debian type' install for the pi
[13:31] <cheesenbiscuits> for example... would this be correct Kunsi? /usr/bin/rsync -avhPS --chmod=a+rwx "user@server.com -p 1111"
[13:31] <Kunsi> no
[13:32] <ShorTie> quickest image is here i guess http://nightly.raspberrypi.org/nightlyimages-v2
[13:32] <Kunsi> rsync -e "ssh -p 500" user@server:/remote/path /local/path
[13:32] <ShorTie> but there is more ways to do a basic install too....
[13:33] <cheesenbiscuits> Kunsi: should the rest of the switches -avhPS go before or after the -e ?
[13:33] <clever> for the pi1, it must be an armv6 build of debian, which is the gap rasbian filled in
[13:34] <clever> for a pi2, you can use either armv6, or the more common armv7 builds, allowing you to use unmodified arm builds of most distros, once you fill in the drivers
[13:34] <Kunsi> cheesenbiscuits: no specific order needed
[13:34] <cheesenbiscuits> ok... thanks :)
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[13:42] <cheesenbiscuits> works a treat... thanks Kunsi :)
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[13:46] <kanzie> Im running Noobs 1.4 on my new Pi with deluge and flexget and now I want to install Kodi. Is there anything in particular I should think about or just get the deb-file from kodi.tv?
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[14:22] <Captain_Crow> do raspberry pi have built in wifi or would i need to get one of the usb wifi connectors?
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[14:23] <nomis> Captain_Crow: the latter.
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[14:28] <Captain_Crow> does the raspbian os have an onscreen keyboard or would i need to connect a physical keyboard?
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[14:29] <nomis> a physical keyboard helps a lot
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[14:29] <Captain_Crow> is it useable without one though?
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[14:31] <nomis> not sure if there is an onscreen keyboard.
[14:32] <nomis> depends a bit on the distribution as well. If you use a kodi based thing there will be an osk.
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[14:37] <anunnaki> hello anyone using their pi as a squeezebox player? i was hoping if someone could check a podcast for me on it. mines not listing the last four episodes
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[14:43] <MACscr> doesnt seem like a pi problem, but a software issue
[14:44] <anunnaki> MACscr: im trying to verify if its a software issue or a podcast issue.. the podcast had some difficulties yesterday and im trying to help them out... only users i know for squeezebox players are pi guys
[14:45] <anunnaki> so this is the only place i can check for someone using a squeezebox player
[14:49] <tawr> that's very kind of you anunnaki
[14:52] <anunnaki> yeah its a new podcast show thats really growing in popularity since its the only one of its kind and yesterday their shows were playing nothing but silence on the Podcast app.. they fixed that, but the squeezebox player which uses the logitech media server to stream internet radio/podcasts to your raspberry pi (awesome addition to your rasbpians) is missing their last four episodes for some reason.
[14:52] <anunnaki> just wanting to see if its only on my end or if other users are experiencing it as well
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[14:55] <kanzie> Captain_Crow: keep in mind that if you intend to run over VPN you might have some issues with the wifi, at least I did and people here said that its a bit shakey
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[15:05] <niston> where's shiftplusone ?
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[15:14] <tawr> sigh niston you're in here too?
[15:14] <tawr> :P
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[15:29] <niston> its a small world
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[15:38] <Captain_Crow> does a raspberry pi have a headphone port?
[15:39] <MY123> Captain_Crow, yes
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[15:40] <nomis> Captain_Crow: what about doing some of this very basic research yourself?
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[15:47] <tawr> the first 10 google searches show you..
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[15:49] <Tenkawa> hi all
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[16:50] <eggy> woo, Finally got Jessie installed on my rpi2.
[16:50] <tawr> nice
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[16:59] <kllrd> im new to rpi2, and came across jessie a few times while researching. any big reason to upgrade to it? or just for specific projects
[17:00] <TheLostAdmin> They put systemd in Jessie, didn't they?
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[17:02] <MY123> TheLostAdmin, yeah, they putted it :(
[17:03] <tawr> it's a huge upgrade kllrd
[17:03] <tawr> massive
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[17:04] <TheLostAdmin> I'm old. I want init. I know how init works. I can do bad things to init.
[17:05] <kllrd> Can i upgrade my current install to jessie? or do i have to start fresh
[17:05] <TheLostAdmin> If systemd is more than just a fad, I'm sure the problem will be fixed with it. But I want my scripts and text files for config. I can mangle them.
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[17:06] <tawr> oops kllrd im sorry
[17:06] <tawr> i misread you, too many chats. i read that as rpi upgrade to rpi2
[17:06] <tawr> my bad
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[17:06] <TheLostAdmin> kllrd: right now you would have to build from source (if I understand correctly). I'm not aware of any official jessie binary distributions for the rpi.
[17:06] <k_j> can anyone explain me how to check what codecs are installed or can be used by the gpu?
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[17:12] <TheLostAdmin> k_j: using the vcgencmd command but I don't know all the magic words.
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[18:23] <CanDoo> good afternoon!
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[18:32] <ShorTie> Good Morning
[18:33] <CanDoo> what chip would be good for buffering GPIO output for longer cable runs?
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[18:37] <ShorTie> dag, forgot to unplug soldering couple days ago .. :/~
[18:37] <ShorTie> don't know that the length of the cable would have much to due with it really
[18:40] <pksato> CanDoo: how long the cable? that frequency?
[18:41] <CanDoo> well
[18:41] <CanDoo> 24mhz
[18:41] <CanDoo> and say 2 1/2 foot
[18:41] <CanDoo> i'm driving a hub75 based led matrix
[18:43] <ShorTie> 2 1/2 foot shouldn't be a problem with big enough wires
[18:44] <CanDoo> i was going to use a 40pin IDE cable
[18:44] <CanDoo> to a perfboard
[18:44] <CanDoo> and then breakout the hub75 stuff
[18:45] <CanDoo> i'm also working out the capacitance needed to smooth my 5v raid for the LED matrix
[18:46] <pksato> problem is frequency. 24MHz is very high, need take care to not make cable a irradiating antenna. And waveform distortion.
[18:46] <CanDoo> er rail
[18:46] <CanDoo> true
[18:46] <CanDoo> 40pin ide isn't exactly sheilded
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[18:47] <CanDoo> i could easily creak down the refresh rate on the LED panels
[18:47] <tawr> plus breadboards
[18:47] <pksato> you need to use gnd,signal,gnd,signal,gnd,etc
[18:47] <tawr> aren't gonna handle 24mhz
[18:48] <tawr> there is so much parasitic capacitance and inductance there, if it works at all, it won't work well
[18:48] <CanDoo> nod
[18:49] <CanDoo> i'm usieng 6in hookup wire right now from the hub75 to the first panel
[18:49] <CanDoo> it's three panels daisy chained
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[18:51] <CanDoo> what if i bumped up the output voltage of the GPIOs from 3.3v to 5v
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[18:57] <ShorTie> can't, without added hardware
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[19:22] <MY123> Is there RPi2 emulation for Qemu?
[19:23] <MY123> (so I wouldn't finish my duplicate work)
[19:23] <niston> qemu 2.3 supports rpi2
[19:25] <MY123> niston, as a guest?
[19:27] <niston> apparently
[19:27] <niston> it was a topic here yesterday
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[19:28] <linuxthefish> why does serial text show up as garbage?
[19:29] <niston> baudrate mismatch?
[19:29] <nomis> linuxthefish: for example due to a wrong baudrate
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[19:34] <Froolap> does anybody have any idea what this is about? [18837.982982]BUG: scheduling while atomic:bash/604/0x00000002
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[19:36] <ShorTie> fuller log might help more
[19:37] <nomis> well, it is a kernel bug.
[19:37] <Froolap> I get that line spitting out on my screen about once per second, and system completely unresponsive......
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[19:39] <niston> Froolap: https://xkcd.com/1084/
[19:39] <Froolap> I saw that bug or something very much like it when my sd card died.....
[19:39] <ShorTie> dmesg have any thing to say about it ??
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[19:42] <Froolap> don't think that the file system was responsive
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[19:43] <ShorTie> how's you power ??
[19:44] <Froolap> 2a.
[19:44] <Froolap> Been running fine for a week.
[19:44] <ShorTie> i know it's like a fetish of mine, but what's your micro-usb cable like ??
[19:44] <niston> hehehe
[19:45] <niston> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/14903360/what-are-the-possible-causes-of-bug-scheduling-while-atomic?lq=1
[19:45] <Froolap> it's built into the adapter, not gonna change it...... should be fine
[19:45] <ShorTie> should be fine, is only a guess a volt meter can confirm
[19:45] <Froolap> 22awg
[19:46] <ShorTie> that much sounds ok
[19:46] <ShorTie> what model pi, got the current hack in use ??
[19:46] <Froolap> my volt meter can't measure inside of the usbtgo header. I would have to cut it off.
[19:46] <Froolap> current hack???
[19:47] <ShorTie> you can measure on the gpio at a 5vdc pin i would think
[19:47] <Froolap> this happened on my rpi2b, though I saw the same error or one very much like it on my banana when the sd card died.....
[19:47] <ShorTie> ya, to supply the usb more then 600ma
[19:48] <ShorTie> you got any usb devices hooked up ??
[19:48] <Froolap> what is that error related to, I'm not seeing anything on the web except for a sleep command.
[19:49] <Froolap> No, I'm not over clocking, over powering anything.
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[19:50] <Froolap> I don't want to destroy my stuff by trying to make it be something it's not.
[19:50] <niston> Froolap it seems like this bug happens when kernel code tries to sleep when it shouldn't
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[19:50] <niston> some driver might be the culprit
[19:50] <Froolap> I have a usb powered hub for connecting usb devices just to make sure I'm not over driving the pi.
[19:51] <Froolap> at the time that this happened I was trying to create rpi2 fedora images......
[19:52] <Froolap> but I saw something very much like this on my banana when all it was doing was running 1 user running firefox that was monitoring ip cameras
[19:53] <Froolap> seeing bash tied in somewhere, and someone mumbled about some kernel bug with raid.....
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[20:01] <niston> "The BCM2328X supports MAC-based aggregation."
[20:01] <niston> yeah baby
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[20:01] <niston> no support for LACP though
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[20:03] <niston> so 8 100mbps ports to 8 CMs and two gigabit ports to the outside world
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[20:08] <Zunz> Has anyone ever set up audio streaming from a raspbery pi? I am having trouble...
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[20:09] <k_j> Zunz, if use audio video (camera + micrhphone) streaming to a browser for my needs
[20:10] <k_j> *s/if/i
[20:10] <Zunz> I kinda want to stream whatever audio my rpi is playing to a webbrowser on another computer
[20:10] <Zunz> is that possible?
[20:10] <niston> start with the alsa loopback device, take it from there
[20:11] <Zunz> I tried avconv but I can't get the damn thing to open my hw/device from alsa
[20:12] <k_j> Zunz, i got desktop live streaming work (instead of camera) too , if you can replace the microphone with a loopback device then uv4l might work for you (it supports webrtc to any browser)
[20:14] <Zunz> I am really shit with linux though, but thanks for the tips
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[20:18] <Ownix> join
[20:19] <Ownix> Hey any of you guys try Ubuntu Mate for the Pi?
[20:19] <Froolap> Zunz: look into vlc..... while I haven't used it, it does have built in streamer
[20:20] <MY123> niston, there is no RPi2 emulation
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[20:27] <Zunz> Aarrggh, the recording is just silent
[20:30] <Froolap> it came from a silent film
[20:33] <niston> hmmm
[20:34] <Zunz> I am attempting this: https://trac.ffmpeg.org/wiki/Capture/ALSA#Recordaudiofromanapplication
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[20:36] <Zunz> now my mopidy doesn't understand what the shit to do
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[20:41] <niston> says first, load the loopback module, then set alsa output to the loopback device, then capture audio from loopback device
[20:42] <niston> you will want to stream instead of capture
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[20:46] <Zunz> I forgot to add the loopback module to /etc/modules/ T_T
[20:47] <Zunz> Hey, now it does something
[20:47] <Zunz> But it skips parts in the recording, probably has to do with the enormous amount of messages in my terminal
[20:48] <Zunz> Non-monotonous DTS in output stream 0:0;
[20:48] <Zunz> Sigh
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[20:53] <redstonecraftpl> hi guys
[20:53] <redstonecraftpl> i need help
[20:54] <redstonecraftpl> eem, not exactly help
[20:54] <redstonecraftpl> i have a touchscreen for raspberry pi
[20:54] <redstonecraftpl> and i want to get a utillity that will start on boot, and let me choose beetween emulators, LXDE, etc.
[20:55] <redstonecraftpl> retropie(emulationstation) is NOT ok because when i install it touch support is dropped ;(
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[20:58] <CanDoo> it's likely that retropie emulationstation images do not have built in support for touch screens
[20:58] <redstonecraftpl> nonono
[20:58] <redstonecraftpl> but touch support dropps in LXDE
[20:59] <redstonecraftpl> after reboot
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[21:00] <Zunz> niston: Do you known anything about that error I am getting? Internet isn't really helping me much :(
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[21:02] <redstonecraftpl> so, any packet that will provide me something like taht?
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[21:22] <reber> hi. Anyone using openvz or xen on a raspberry ?
[21:22] <Captain_Crow> does raspberrypi b have bluetooth built in or does it need an adapter?
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[21:23] <Encapsulation> Captain_Crow, adapter I think
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[21:25] <Captain_Crow> does any bluetooth adapter work?
[21:27] <Zunz> I got a cheap one from china, should work
[21:28] <Zunz> Anyone knows how I can stream audio to whatever browser is able to reach the RPI? I am seeing a lot of RTP stuff but that only targets one machine on the network
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[21:30] <Captain_Crow> is there a way to get skype on raspbian?
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[21:34] <osxyer> hey guys, does the rp2 process desinterlacin good?
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[21:35] <Zunz> niston you here?
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[21:39] <Zunz> Anyone here experience with streaming audio from the RPI?
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[21:44] <Zunz> Why is it so damn hard to stream the audio played on the RPI to a fucking webbrowser
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[21:47] <reber> anyone using any virtualisation on the raspi ?
[21:48] <pmumble> the cpu doesn't support it, does it?
[21:52] <osxyer> i wonder if i should get a pi2 or build an htpc
[21:53] <doomlord> pi2!!!
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[21:53] <doomlord> if you already got an x86 pc, pi2 to complement it
[21:54] <doomlord> stimulate demand for small energy efficient ARM computers
[21:54] <doomlord> buy 2.. buy 4...
[21:54] * pmumble bought 2.
[21:54] <doomlord> i bought 2 accidently, pleasant surprise
[21:55] <pmumble> accidentally?
[21:55] <doomlord> yeah double click or something. 2 turned up.
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[21:55] <doomlord> if there was a premium pi-alike i'd get one
[21:56] <doomlord> but i'm told price performance skews toward intell quickly as performance goes up
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[21:57] <Zunz> Anyone here got experience with streaming audio from a RPI?
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[22:33] <Captain_Crow> does raspbian have html5 support?
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[22:37] <ShorTie> kinda don't think so
[22:37] <ShorTie> pi isn't no super computer
[22:38] <ShorTie> it's a learning toy
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[22:59] <kanzie> anyone here who runs Kodi on their Pi2?
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[23:33] <McBride36> ShorTie, it's a fantastic learning toy :)
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[23:42] <kllrd> Quick question, in my file manager it shows total 7gb, free space 2.9 gb. This is a 32gb card that I put an image one. Do i need to adjust the partition or what?
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[23:48] <pmumble> kllrd: expand the disk in the raspi_config, tool
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[23:53] <kllrd> ok, thanks
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