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IRC Log for 2015-05-26

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[0:01] <Captain_Crow> are there any pi cases with a battery built in?
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[0:03] <[Saint]> Not that I'm aware of.
[0:03] <[Saint]> Captain_Crow: can you clarify "built in" please?
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[0:04] * ShorTie thinkz, ya, they are called a tablet
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[0:05] <[Saint]> There's two obvious problems with having the battery in the case.
[0:05] <[Saint]> 1 - cable routing
[0:05] <[Saint]> 2 - Energy density
[0:06] <[Saint]> Both of which would make the case needlessly large (assuming you wanted the pi to run for more than a couple of hours)
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[0:06] <pmumble> http://www.pi-top.com/
[0:06] <ShorTie> car batteries aren't too bad to lug around
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[0:07] <[Saint]> ...though, if you stacked the battery on top of the board and used GPIO to power it, it wouldn't be /tooooo/ bad.
[0:07] <ShorTie> with a wheel barrow, lol.
[0:07] <pmumble> more specifically http://www.pi-top.com/product
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[0:09] <[Saint]> Every time I see Pi-*, or *-pi, I die a little inside.
[0:10] <ShorTie> for 300 bucks, i'd rather a real laptop .. :/~
[0:10] <[Saint]> A similar thing happened with Rockbox. Pretty much all third party additions to it are named something along the lines of Rock-*, or *-box.
[0:11] <pmumble> haters gonna hate
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[0:11] <ShorTie> don't hate it
[0:11] <[Saint]> pmumble: well...it is a fairly ridiculous idea, for even more ridiculous money.
[0:11] <ShorTie> just don't see no bag for the buck there
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[0:11] <pmumble> $300 is toy money, that's a learning toy
[0:12] <[Saint]> Toy money? Oh please.
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[0:13] <ShorTie> well, slip me a grand so i can get a couple toys Pleaze
[0:14] <[Saint]> It is the price of the pi itself, by a factor of 10, to create something that will never be as performant or reliable as what the same amount of money could easily purchase.
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[0:14] <[Saint]> You can get an i5 laptop for that kind of money.
[0:14] <pmumble> i dunno. how fast do you think the pi will be in a couple more years. the idea is that you can swap the board out with the new ones.
[0:14] <[Saint]> ...ridiculous.
[0:14] <DoctorD90> pmumble, the only think that may cost is Screen....other, a 3d printer may create all of them.....299$is too much
[0:15] <[Saint]> pmumble: that's ridiculously short sighted.
[0:15] <[Saint]> If the form factor changes radically?
[0:15] <[Saint]> Bam - screwed.
[0:15] * Tachyon` is now known as Tach[Zzz]
[0:15] <pmumble> well, to each their own. i don't have one. just putting it out there becauase someone asked for a pi with a battery and screen
[0:15] <DoctorD90> maybe 50.....100!!!...but not 300....
[0:15] <Captain_Crow> i was looking for something more like http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/MTAwMFgxMDAw/z/QHQAAOSwPhdVE38M/$_57.JPG but with a battery built in around $30-ish, otherwise i can just attach a battery with a ribbon or something
[0:16] <pmumble> nerds and their money
[0:16] <[Saint]> pmumble: unless I misread there wasn't a mention of a screen at all, no?
[0:16] <DoctorD90> on adafruit sell screen and some 18650battery is all needed :)
[0:17] <[Saint]> Captain_Crow: what is the use case here?
[0:17] <pmumble> obviously you didn't read
[0:17] <[Saint]> IS there a particular reason why you're being needlessly defensive?
[0:18] <[Saint]> Or is it just you?
[0:18] <Captain_Crow> i wanted to set up something with lcd+battery and portable
[0:18] <pmumble> it's a 13" lcd
[0:18] <pmumble> i'm not being defensive, i dont really care either way. i'm just saying, obviously you didnt' read it because the very first item on the page is a 13" lcd.
[0:19] <[Saint]> Errrr...I was talking about OP, hun.
[0:20] <[Saint]> So, could we knock off being needlessly defensive, please?
[0:20] <pmumble> ok, well anyway, who cares...
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[0:20] <[Saint]> OP made zero mention of an LCD.
[0:20] <[Saint]> ...you do, apparently.
[0:20] <DoctorD90> Captain_Crow: looking for power bank on ebay, i have purchase one for 3euro, and its battery 18650, 5800mah are 2euro more or less....with 10euro you have a multifunctionally battery for pi. Screen touch on adafruit:50$more or less
[0:21] <[Saint]> I assume OP carries a smartphone. Little point in having a dedicated screen for the pi if it is to be portable.
[0:21] <[Saint]> Just set up a VNC server.
[0:22] <DoctorD90> yes...i use my tablet and usb tethering with vnc like screen :)
[0:22] <[Saint]> None of the screens that can connect to the pi in a clean way are even close to what I would consider to be portable, and useful.
[0:22] <DoctorD90> and keyboard/moise too
[0:22] <[Saint]> You can have one, but not both.
[0:23] <[Saint]> It'll either be useful, or portable. You can basically only pick one.
[0:23] <DoctorD90> yep
[0:23] <DoctorD90> q8
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[0:29] <pmumble> there were a couple of lines that i misread above due to having my attention split, and caused me to respond wrongly. sorry about that. i understand your response about "no mention of a screen" now. my bad.
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[0:30] <[Saint]> It is terribly tempting to throw back the "obviously you didn't read" line...but, I'll pretend that I'm a better man than that.
[0:30] <[Saint]> (I'm not :P)
[0:31] <pmumble> trust me i thought of it myself
[0:31] <pmumble> yeah i managed to misread 2 lines
[0:31] <pmumble> meh
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[1:08] <Captain_Crow> whats type of usb is needed to power a pi?
[1:09] <Froolab> I'm thinking of getting this. Anker 40W 5-Port High Speed Desktop USB Charger with PowerIQ Technology for iPhone, iPad Air 2,�
[1:10] <Froolab> http://www.amazon.com/Anker-Desktop-Charger-PowerIQ-Technology/dp/B00GTGETFG/ref=sr_1_fkmr0_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1432595388&sr=8-1-fkmr0&keywords=Anker+40W+5-Port+High+Speed+Desktop+USB+Charger+with+PowerIQ+Technology+for+iPhone%2C+iPad+Air+2%2C%E2%80%A6
[1:11] <ShorTie> Captain_Crow, depends on pi and usb stuff attached, but 5vdc @ 2.5amp is recommend
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[1:11] <ShorTie> less amps will work
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[1:12] <Captain_Crow> im not sure what the cord is called
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[1:13] <ShorTie> micro-usb and the quality of it reallt matters alot
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[1:20] <DrLoki> the amperage really matters a lot
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[1:21] <ozzzy> the important thing is 'what is the voltage drop when you load it with 2A
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[1:22] <CanDoo> well
[1:22] <ShorTie> output amps depends on what you have connected to the usb
[1:23] <DrLoki> There's a guy on ebay that sells 2A micro-usb power plugs for about 6 USD. Just ordered my 3rd batch of ten within the last 9 months.
[1:24] <DrLoki> Thought they'd be crap, but they've worked great for my Pi's, BBB, and android devices.
[1:26] <DrLoki> I think this is the dude: http://www.ebay.com/itm/5V-2A-Micro-USB-Charger-Adapter-Cable-Power-Supply-for-Raspberry-Pi-B-B-US-Plug-/141518809160?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item20f32da848
[1:27] <DrLoki> oh yeah,.... that would be 2mA, not 2A. Jesus, why didn't anyone call me on that?!
[1:27] <CanDoo> with a rpi. i'd say active devices only. unless you have a powered hub
[1:28] <CanDoo> this is just my opinion
[1:28] <DrLoki> "active devices" being...?
[1:28] <CanDoo> if i was to accidently overload a USB port i'd much rather it be on my cheapo 2am hub
[1:28] <CanDoo> than my pi
[1:28] <CanDoo> active devices mean devices that self power
[1:30] <[Saint]> That's just....no.
[1:31] <DrLoki> Been running around 10 pi's here at home "active" for over a year; since Oct 2014 with these plugs, and haven't experience any problems. But I _DO_ plug them all into power-surge protected strips. None use a direct wall socket, so .....
[1:31] <[Saint]> _Reaaaaaaaally_ no if you've got a rpi2
[1:31] <pmumble> wow what do you do with those DrLoki?
[1:31] <pmumble> thats a lot of pie
[1:32] <CanDoo> there's always room for pi
[1:32] <[Saint]> I mean, sorry, but implying/saying that the raspi can't do passively powered USB is just plain wrong.
[1:32] <CanDoo> the only reason i don't have and use more pi's is because it doesn't have bit perfect audio passthrough for HDMI
[1:33] <[Saint]> The ethernet is the main reason I got rid of all but one of my pis.
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[1:33] <[Saint]> 10/100 eth in this day and age is just plain sad.
[1:33] <DrLoki> varies. github server, email server, 3d printer controller, digirepeater, ARM7 autobuild "box," ...whatever I need. They're just so versatile if you are good with *nix.
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[1:33] <ShorTie> and then it's run thru the usb
[1:34] <[Saint]> I much, much, MUCH prefer my ODROID C1s.
[1:34] <pmumble> nice. for sure, thats what im moving towards. ive been running a bunch of kvm vms but i'd like to move some services over to the pis
[1:34] <[Saint]> Same pricepoint, infinitely better in many ways.
[1:34] <DrLoki> eh, use to solve focused problems where the HW suits the problem. Best advice I can give.
[1:34] <CanDoo> um
[1:34] <pmumble> glad to hear it works well
[1:34] <DrLoki> I do like my ODROIDs.
[1:35] <CanDoo> i think for $35USD with a gig of ram and quadcore CPU. complaining about ethernet is silly
[1:35] <Froolab> hmmmmm very strange
[1:35] <DrLoki> CanDoo: as long as the bandwidth or the latency aren't the bottleneck for the RPi's intended use.....agreed.
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[1:35] <ShorTie> ODROID C1s are the same price
[1:36] <[Saint]> Which, in my case, it was.
[1:36] <[Saint]> The raspis just couldn;t keep up with my use case.
[1:36] <[Saint]> Whereas the ODROID C1 doesn't flinch.
[1:36] <[Saint]> And, yes, same price point.
[1:36] <[Saint]> So I don't think it is too silly at all.
[1:37] <Froolab> does anyone remember who it was that was using a computer power supply to run their pi? turned it into a bench power supply???
[1:37] <[Saint]> 10/100 eth in 2015 is just...weird.
[1:37] <pmumble> just curious, are those c1s case compatible? not that its a big deal
[1:37] <[Saint]> Froolab: many people.
[1:37] <DrLoki> I wouldn't wanna argue Pi vs ODroid vs BBB.....each has it's strengths and weakness. Pi just has wide visability and a massive community. If the "$9 Pi challenger" fails I suspect it will be due to lack of a community rather than subpar HW or implementation.
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[1:38] <Froolab> I was talking to somebody about 2 days ago, can't remember the name
[1:38] <Froolab> i've got an odd situation, makes me say hmmmmmm
[1:38] <[Saint]> The ODROID C1 doesn't really need a community, though, as there's already a massive community out there for the distributions it runs.
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[1:39] <CanDoo> tomorrow i will be messing with a propeller
[1:39] <CanDoo> dev baord
[1:39] <[Saint]> IMO the raspi's need for a community comes largely from pi-specific distro weirdnesses.
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[1:40] <Froolab> I got these usb to micro usb cords with a switch in them.... I plug it into my computer usb port and from time to time I see the low volt warning box on my pi......
[1:41] <Froolab> ok, cut off the usb port and attach the red and black wires to the 5v and ground of a hard drive molex connector..... when I first power up the pi, and any time I startx or open firefox I get the low volt warning box....
[1:41] <CanDoo> question i'm working with a GPIO expantion board that uses 74HCT595's four of them. now i understand they are basically shift registers, now i'm assuming the shift doens't happen untill latch.
[1:41] <ShorTie> that is because your 'plug it into my computer usb port', try a real power supply
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[1:42] <Froolab> I go to take an uncut cable and plug it into my samsung 2a usb charger and I don't see that any more.
[1:42] <ShorTie> computers can't deliever the pi needs thru the usb
[1:43] <[Saint]> Froolab: any spec-compliant USB port isn't going to supply any more than 500mA.
[1:43] <[Saint]> That's why.
[1:43] <Froolab> I would like to think that my computer is capable of delivering a steady 5v..... but maybe my power supply is going bad?
[1:43] <[Saint]> A dedicated charging port won't even supply more than 500mA, because the pi can't enumerate.
[1:43] <ShorTie> thought you where gonna tie those into a unused molex plug ??
[1:43] <[Saint]> Froolab: missing the point.
[1:44] <Froolab> yeah, but plugging it into the 5v of a hard drive power port, it should get all the current it needs and the 5v *should* be rock steady...... or so I would think.
[1:44] <[Saint]> Froolab: is is capable of supplying a steady 5V, at least in theory, but it'll only be getting 500mA.
[1:44] <[Saint]> Actually, if it is spec compliant, it'll only be dishing out 100mA.
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[1:45] <Froolab> I did tie into the molex port. It still give me the low volt warning when I boot or when I startx
[1:45] <[Saint]> Hmmmmm...
[1:45] <CanDoo> i use an atx power supply for my pi
[1:45] <CanDoo> and LED matrixes
[1:45] <CanDoo> and other stuff
[1:45] <Froolab> for the hard drive only dishing out 100ma????
[1:45] <[Saint]> Do you have a multimeter, Froolab?
[1:46] <Froolab> Yes I do,. I tested the port before connecting the usb and it was giving 5.008 v
[1:46] <Froolab> wanted to make certain I was tapping the 5v and not the 12v....
[1:46] <[Saint]> Froolab: what I mean is that the pi can't communicate its power requirements to the host, so any spec-compliant host should only be dishing out 100mA to devices that don't communicate their charging profile.
[1:46] <Froolab> My meter doesn't have probes small enough to go into the micro usb port.
[1:46] <[Saint]> ..."luckily" spec compliant USB basically doesn't exist.
[1:47] <[Saint]> So this "works", but, it really shouldn't.
[1:47] <Froolab> I never heard of any specification for hard drives communicating power requirements.... is there one?
[1:48] <[Saint]> The TL;DR version is that over USB, it should only be getting a maximum of 500mA, but in theory it should only ever get 100mA.
[1:48] <[Saint]> Though there's a few caveats to that.
[1:48] <Froolab> what if I'm not attaching to the computers usb port?????
[1:48] <[Saint]> Then the above is negated.
[1:48] <DrLoki> Is there a problem with just self-powering every periphereal? I don't like creating draws against the main board.
[1:48] <Froolab> then usb specifications shouldn't apply..... or am I wrong?
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[1:49] <[Saint]> No, you're not wrong.
[1:49] <Froolab> Ok, then why am I still getting the low volt warning when tapped into the hard drive 5V and ground? or is my power supply unstable?
[1:49] <[Saint]> DrLoki: no - not at all. But the pi is perfectly capable of supplying power to its peripherals.
[1:50] <Froolab> Should I try with a different power supply or say it's a bad plan in general?
[1:50] <[Saint]> Froolab: it really does sound as though the PSU is at fault, but I would posit that if your 5V rail is this unstable you would have seen problems long before now in other areas.
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[1:51] <DrLoki> Yeah, up to a point. But personally I prefer to avoid drawing against the Pi's power. More stable to just power independently.
[1:51] <[Saint]> Froolab: nah - it isn;t a bad idea at all. I use a converted ATX PSU to power a small army of C1s myself.
[1:51] <Froolab> i haven't noticed anything, but then, wehat type of things should I have noticed?
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[1:52] <[Saint]> You should see a low voltage warning on the host if, for instance, you plug an external HDD or wake one up.
[1:53] <[Saint]> (waking up a spindle disk takes a LOT of power)
[1:53] <Froolab> i have my power thirsty usb hard drive plugged into the charging port of a powered hub, so that shouldn't be an issue.
[1:53] * ozzzy just plugs his into the Pi
[1:54] <[Saint]> DrLoki: I'm not sure how factual any of that is, but if it makes you feel better about the situation, go for it.
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[1:54] <kanzie> So after setting gpu_mem to 320M my Kodi boots in 640x468 resolution, have I missed something?
[1:54] <Froolab> I never let my drives sleep. too many times that sleep don't wake up, and I'm old school in that most of the wear and tear on a drive is getting the platters up to speed, it will last longer with less power cycles.
[1:54] <[Saint]> IS 320M even a valid split?
[1:55] <DrLoki> looking to get some ODroids. Would you guys recommend U3 or C1's?
[1:55] <[Saint]> I didn't think you could split more than 50%
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[1:55] <[Saint]> I also thought that GPU mem split was handled dynamically these days...
[1:55] <[Saint]> DrLoki: I like both personally, but I prefer the C1.
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[1:56] <DrLoki> You can still manually split RPi GPU/CPU ratio.
[1:57] <DrLoki> [Saint]: what are the pro/cons of U3 vs C1?
[1:57] <pksato> 320 is valid.
[1:57] <pksato> if have 512MB
[1:58] <DrLoki> C1 seems a hands-down winner per HW, to me.
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[1:58] <[Saint]> DrLoki: it really depends on the use case - pro/con is subjective.
[1:59] <[Saint]> Hardkernel makes quite a few boards in the ODROID line. Have a squizz and see what fits your use case and price point.
[1:59] <DrLoki> So C1 for high-bandwidth multi-core codes, but U3 for single core codes? What would recommend as the Rubicon that seperates the two?
[2:00] <Captain_Crow> whats the maximum sd card gb that raspberrypi b can use?
[2:00] <DrLoki> confirmed 64G here.
[2:00] <[Saint]> Captain_Crow: there's no such thing.
[2:01] <pksato> Captain_Crow: what is largest that have on market?
[2:01] <[Saint]> ^ there we go
[2:01] <Captain_Crow> so theres no limit?
[2:01] <[Saint]> sd spec says you can address up to 2TB
[2:01] <[Saint]> sdcard density will literally NEVER get to that limit.
[2:01] <[Saint]> so...yeah.
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[2:02] <DrLoki> yeah, probably don't wanna be doing large repetitive I/O on flash memory anyway.
[2:02] <[Saint]> There are devices out there that artificially limit how much storage can be addressed over the sd interface, but they are thankfully few and far between and mainly older devices.
[2:03] <pksato> https://www.sdcard.org/developers/overview/capacity/
[2:03] <[Saint]> When a device states "up to N GB sdcard supported" is is almost always a marketing blunder by people who have absolutely no idea how this works at all.
[2:04] <[Saint]> And they're just stating it supports the largest capacity available at launch time.
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[2:04] <[Saint]> Well...actually, it is likely deliberate, because consumers are idiots by nature.
[2:05] <[Saint]> But, yeah, there's no limit to how much storage the raspi can address over sd.
[2:05] <[Saint]> None that matters, anyway.
[2:05] <[Saint]> At current rates, unless we have a major fabrication breakthrough, we'll never see sd density surpass the specification limit.
[2:06] <JK-47> If anyone happens to know, when updating an SD for RPi2, do you need to delete the kernel.img if you have the kernel7.img on the card as well before you boot? does it try to read one then the other?
[2:06] <DrLoki> JK-47: just use dd.
[2:06] <[Saint]> How are you 'updating" it...you...what?
[2:06] <[Saint]> Yeah, what he said.
[2:07] <[Saint]> use dd and then you needn't care about this at all.
[2:07] <JK-47> i apt-get update / apt-get upgrade / apt-get dist-uprade / apt-get install raspberrypi-ui-mods on the non RPi
[2:07] <JK-47> non rpi2 i mean
[2:07] <JK-47> moved it to the rpi2.
[2:07] <[Saint]> If you're trying to preserve a pi install across a pi2, you're in for a whole world on "fun".
[2:08] <[Saint]> It just doesn't work that way.
[2:08] <Froolab> I've had cameras that can access 8gb but absolutely won't see a 16 or 32g card
[2:08] <[Saint]> Extract what you need from your previous install, and start again.
[2:08] <Froolab> and I have a 64g card that a few devices won't talk to, works in my computer reader
[2:09] <[Saint]> Froolab: yeah, such devices do exist unfortunately.
[2:10] <[Saint]> It may or may not be lack of foresigth, or a deliberate decision to make the device functionally obselete.
[2:10] <[Saint]> Either way, it was a deliberate descision.
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[2:10] <[Saint]> Froolab: are you certain it isn't just that those device won't address exFAT?
[2:11] <[Saint]> (sdcards of that capacity are required to be formatted as exFAT)
[2:11] <Froolab> they are supposed to format.... nothing to format......
[2:11] <Froolab> please insert media
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[2:12] <[Saint]> Froolab: well it won't be able to adress it if it is a filesystem the device can't address.
[2:12] <Froolab> yup, no complaints..... just contributing to the pool of knowledge.
[2:13] <[Saint]> You stated your host can see it fine - format it as FAT and in theory, unless the manufacturer was a complete asshat, it should work fine.
[2:13] <[Saint]> It is a hell of a lot more common for devices to fail to mount exFAT than it is for sd to be artificially capped.
[2:13] <[Saint]> At least in my experience.
[2:14] <Froolab> I upgraded one of those devices. pity as I really liked my xacti camera, but i replaced it with a better camera that I never use.
[2:14] <[Saint]> You may or may not need a sane OS or disk wizard to format a 64GB+ card as FAT, though.
[2:14] <[Saint]> Windows will flatly refuse to do it.
[2:15] <[Saint]> ...which is weird, as the spec only states that they need to be shipped as exFAT, hot that they must _stay_ exFAT.
[2:15] * [Saint] shrugs
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[2:39] <Tenkawa> hi all
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[3:10] <CanDoo> i am flabio
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[3:19] <WACs99> Raspberry Pi and PirateBox... wonderful creation. Just added an external AP to see how far it will go. Trying to get a neighborhood network up.
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[4:01] <DrLoki> WACs99 what's your approximate location?
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[6:09] <kevireilly> pmumble: sorry I missed you, I was inquiring about wpa_supplicant issues. It is the very basic network={ ssid=“ssid” \n psk=“psk” }
[6:11] <kevireilly> for example, I was just connected for a couple minutes and the connection froze, eventually dropped, and is now cycling between host is down, operation timed out, and just started working again
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[7:09] <desikitteh{HH}> anyone around?
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[7:18] <NedScott> maybe
[7:18] <NedScott> maybe not
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[7:39] <desikitteh{HH}> NedScott: got an error when uninstalling something.
[7:44] <NedScott> okay...
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[7:45] <desikitteh{HH}> hoping i understand why. i'm assuming something related is running. it's error #1
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[8:06] <opticy> is there a firewall installed/enabled by default on raspbian?
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[8:10] <NedScott> no
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[8:11] <opticy> is there a particular one that works well with raspbian?
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[8:17] <[Saint]> opticy: iptables
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[11:50] <kanzie> no matter what I write for gpu_mem in config.txt my Kodi boots in 640x480, what exactly is it supposed to say for a Raspberry 2 to play 1080 mkv?
[11:50] <kanzie> Ive tried gpu_mem = 512M gpu_mem = 320M and gpu_mem = 320
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[11:52] <nomis> does the Raspberry have a framebuffer memory that contains the image as seen on the screen?
[11:52] <nomis> the linux-framebuffer memory does not contain the stuff rendered by raspberrys overlays.
[11:53] <nomis> is the visible image rendered on the fly? Or stored in a hidden framebuffer?
[11:54] <Wegge> SUP, all?
[11:54] <kanzie> ok, the problem might not be gpu_mem but that Kodi complains about a screen missing or something upton startup… I really need to find a startup log somewhere
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[12:12] <gwlegion> bonjour tout le monde
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[12:14] <gwlegion> quelqu'un a essayé retropie sur un RPI 2 ?
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[14:11] <kanzie> how can I make Kodi start at boot
[14:14] <Sonny_Jim> http://kodi.wiki/view/HOW-TO:Autostart_Kodi_for_Linux
[14:15] <qubitnerd> one arch it would be systemctl enable kodi.service
[14:15] <qubitnerd> or whatever the service is named
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[14:18] <kanzie> Im running Raspbian
[14:18] <kanzie> I was lookint at that guide but it seemed to be so far from my current setup that I didnt try it, I will give it a shot though
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[14:19] <kanzie> Sonny_Jim: Its the debian one I should go with right?
[14:19] <kanzie> Sonny_Jim: meaning the Add a new init script
[14:21] <Sonny_Jim> Does it not come with an init script already?
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[14:22] <kanzie> Sonny_Jim: it does, but I dont know how to make it log in and start it up on boot
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[14:25] <KushS> my pi2 on raspbian was working fine but after a reboot I am no longer able to ssh into the device. getting host is down error. Any help ?
[14:27] <pksato> ip changed?
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[14:29] <Sonny_Jim> sudo update-rc.d /etc/init.d/blah defaults
[14:30] <KushS> pksato: no
[14:31] <KushS> arp -a give ? (192.168.2.8) at (incomplete) on bridge100 ifscope [bridge]
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[14:39] <Encapsulation> wahahaha
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[14:57] <Froolab> if the pi is having undervolt condition, is there anything thhat would show up in any logs?
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[15:02] <shiftplusone> Froolab: which pi?
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[15:06] <ozzzy> AFAIK the pi doesn't log voltage
[15:06] <ozzzy> it'll just reset
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[15:08] <Great-Geek> Froolab: You'll have a rainbow square in one of the corners on undervoltage
[15:11] <shiftplusone> Great-Geek: Froolab: ^ only on b+ and later models. The red LED will also turn off during that time.
[15:12] <Froolab> the rainbow is nice and all but not much good when I'm running headless
[15:13] <Froolab> in this particular case I was refering to the pi2b, but I'm jusr as concerned with the b+
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[15:13] <shiftplusone> Froolab: the LED is there for that too
[15:14] <Froolab> doesn't help when I'm sleeping and the case is black.
[15:14] <shiftplusone> but you can set an interrupt on that pin
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[15:14] <shiftplusone> or you should be able to anyway
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[15:25] <Tenkawa> hi all
[15:25] <strobelight> hey
[15:26] <shiftplusone> hey
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[15:29] <fred1807> what works better today: KWeb or Chromium for a presentation / kioski mode?
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[15:30] <Bilby> fred1807 I use a specific build to do it
[15:30] <Bilby> chromium would probably have more consistant results if users are browsing the winder web
[15:30] <Bilby> *wider
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[15:33] <fred1807> My first need is to present a list of videos, in seamsly loop, full screen. I know I could only use omxplayer with some script. But looking at the future, I think that if use a browser and html pages now, instead of omxplayer, I may experience with some html5 effects and use it for other type of presentations. I am afraid if browser will present videos in fullscreen (720p) as good as omxplayer. Problem if my by Pi will be Rsyncing video folder on
[15:33] <fred1807> backround constantly, and I dont know what cpu/memory peaks I may enconter in the future
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[15:35] <fred1807> I am about to test and test
[15:35] <fred1807> but any past experience here would be of great help
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[15:41] <Bilby> fred1807, you'll probably have a difficult time getting smooth video playback through a browser on a Pi
[15:41] <Bilby> but it's worth playing
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[15:48] <Tenkawa> Bilby: so... think the forecast will be right today (considering how off it was this weekend)?
[15:49] <Bilby> Dunno... It was nice to have no storming at the ice cream festival yesterday
[15:49] <Bilby> but i turned on the AC instead of opening windows this morning if that tells you anything :P
[15:49] <Tenkawa> oh over in utica?
[15:49] <Tenkawa> forgot that was this weekend
[15:49] <Tenkawa> oops
[15:49] <Bilby> yerp
[15:49] <Bilby> it happens haha
[15:49] <Tenkawa> i was out gardening all weekend
[15:50] <Bilby> really i only remember because it was my wife and I's first date and we always go back to see a silversmith there
[15:50] <Tenkawa> still tiref
[15:50] <Tenkawa> ahh thats cool
[15:50] <Tenkawa> s/tiref/tired
[15:50] <Tenkawa> wow can't type today
[15:51] <Tenkawa> be back in a little while.. hopefully with all my pi's running properly again
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[16:01] <lindenk> anyone know what the serial library installed by default on raspian is? im suspecting it isn't pyserial downloadable with pip2
[16:02] <shiftplusone> I'm not aware of any serial library being explicitly installed in the image making process.
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[16:05] <lindenk> well, on a fresh image of raspbian, i can 'import serial' with python2 without installing anything else and im pretty sure it isnt part of the python2 stdlib
[16:06] <shiftplusone> so it would be a dependency of something else, I guess.
[16:08] <KushS> can I get some help ssh my pi2 over ethernet from my mac ? I cant find the IP of my pi
[16:09] <Sonny_Jim> Check the DHCP table of your router
[16:09] <Sonny_Jim> Probably the easiest way to find out the IP if you don't have a screen to plug it into
[16:16] <fred1807> adafruit pi finder
[16:17] <KushS> Sonny_Jim: I have connected via ethernet and provided a manual IP. arp -a lists that ip but ssh pi@IP gives connection refused
[16:17] <fred1807> https://github.com/adafruit/Adafruit-Pi-Finder
[16:18] <Sonny_Jim> Then there's some other issue
[16:19] <fred1807> or Better Yet
[16:19] <fred1807> http://serialized.net/2013/04/headless_rpi/
[16:20] <KushS> Sonny_Jim: This has happened for the second time. Initially on a fresh install I can easily ssh into the pi but once I reboot, all falls apart
[16:20] <Sonny_Jim> Does it respond to ping?
[16:21] <KushS> Sonny_Jim: yes
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[16:22] <KushS> arp -a gives (192.168.2.1) at 40:6c:8f:42:2:de on en0 ifscope permanent [ethernet] but this is not a valid MAC address for pi
[16:24] <pksato> you router?
[16:24] <Sonny_Jim> How is the Pi connected?
[16:24] <KushS> Sonny_Jim: ethernet from my mac with internet sharing enabled
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[16:25] <KushS> pksato: sorry ?
[16:25] <pksato> 192.168.2.1 is not you router?
[16:26] <pksato> or host it self
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[16:26] <KushS> pksato: No. set it as the manual IP of my ethernet connection the pi
[16:27] <Sonny_Jim> I think 192.168.2.1 is probably the address of your mac
[16:27] <Sonny_Jim> Or at least, it's not a good idea to pick .1 as the IP address of a client
[16:27] <Sonny_Jim> servers tend to live on .1 and .254
[16:27] <KushS> Sonny_Jim: I changed it to 192.168.2.11 . Still no luck
[16:27] <Sonny_Jim> You changed what to .11?
[16:28] <KushS> Sonny_Jim: the manual IP of my ethernet connection to the pi
[16:30] <Sonny_Jim> So you changed the IP address of your mac ethernet?
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[16:30] <KushS> Sonny_Jim: yes
[16:31] <Sonny_Jim> Doesn't that break ICS on mac?
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[16:32] <KushS> Sonny_Jim: no idea. What is the ideal way to connect pi from mac via ethernet ?
[16:34] <Tenkawa> KushS: what are you trying to do?
[16:35] <KushS> Tenkawa: headless access to my pi from my mac
[16:35] <fred1807> Are there any other option than OMXplayer so I can try to loop a videos folder seamsly and without stop ?
[16:35] <Tenkawa> lKushS: do you have a ethernet network or is this direct only?
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[16:37] <Tenkawa> also what os/ver you running on the pi?
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[16:37] <nomis> KushS: give up, connect keyboard and monito to your Pi and configure a fix IP address.
[16:37] <KushS> Tenkawa: pi2 running the latest raspbian. The pi is connected my mac via ethernet and shares the internet connection from it
[16:38] <Tenkawa> KushS: you want other machines to access the pi2 correct?
[16:39] <KushS> Tenkawa: I'd like to access it using my machine first
[16:39] <Tenkawa> if so you'd need ip forwarding and translation rules on the mac i believe which is a fair amount of setup
[16:39] <Sonny_Jim> Personally, I would set the Pi as DHCP and plug it into the router, but that's just me
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[16:40] <Tenkawa> since incoming packets to the mac dont know to send things to the pi
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[16:40] <strobelight> KushS: you may need a crossover cable if plugging directly into your computer (haven't tried this method myself, I use a router)
[16:41] <Tenkawa> strobelight: would still need forwarding rules
[16:41] <KushS> Tenkawa: It all worked perfected for the first boot. ssh into the pi, internet connectivity all working but once I reboot the pi, the same setup fails
[16:41] <Tenkawa> from a diff machine?
[16:41] <Tenkawa> or from the laptop
[16:42] <KushS> Tenkawa: laptop
[16:42] <Tenkawa> oh
[16:42] <pksato> KushS: you have direct access to RPi (keyboard + monitor)
[16:42] <KushS> pksato: No. Trying headless
[16:42] <Tenkawa> thats not what i read that as..sorry
[16:42] <pksato> Is possible to connect a monitor?
[16:42] <strobelight> to do headless, it has to be set up first, right?
[16:42] <pksato> just to check that happens on RPi.
[16:42] <Tenkawa> KushS: you got tcpdump on the laptop?
[16:43] <KushS> pksato: Sorry no. That's why I went from raspbian and not freebsd.
[16:43] <pksato> or serial console.
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[16:43] <pksato> ?
[16:43] <Tenkawa> it may not be bringing up the interface anymore
[16:43] <Tenkawa> or possibly not booting at all
[16:44] <KushS> Tenkawa: let me just try plugging it straight into the router
[16:44] <Tenkawa> good idea
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[16:47] <strobelight> then install avahi, configure a hostname, and ssh pi@yourhost.local. assuming those broadcast packets fly around
[16:47] <nomis> KushS: if you're lucky you could try ssh'ing to "pi@raspberrypi' after pluggin it into the router and having it booted. Sometimes this local name lookup works.
[16:48] <nomis> (preferrably if the router is also configured as your name serer)
[16:49] <KushS> Tenkawa: No mention of the pi on the router dhcp table. Maybe it's not booting up. Though the green light blinks initially.
[16:50] <Tenkawa> ouch
[16:50] <KushS> nomis: no luck
[16:50] <Tenkawa> filesystems might need checkimh
[16:50] <Tenkawa> er checking
[16:50] <nomis> KushS: ok, if it is not in your routers dhcp table the problm is elsewhere.
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[16:51] <Tenkawa> going to need fsck on another box for that though
[16:51] <nomis> KushS: Try Keyboard+Monitor.
[16:51] <Tenkawa> agreed
[16:51] <nomis> KushS: everything else seems futile guesswork n ow.
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[16:54] <Tenkawa> uggh i hate our weather
[16:54] <KushS> Tenkawa, nomis the strangest thing is that this has happened twice today. I load a new copy of raspbian on the sd card, boot it up, successfully ssh, perform apt-get updates, install and use vnc, try to setup wifi, unsuccessful, reboot, can no longer ssh, shit gets real, flash the sd card, reinstall raspbian and start all over again
[16:54] <Tenkawa> KushS: how are you shutting down?
[16:55] <KushS> Tenkawa: typing reboot. Gives a few messages and the ssh connection terminates. Pretty standard
[16:55] <nomis> KushS: I learned to be paranoid about "sync"'ing.
[16:56] <Tenkawa> something in the updates and/or the reboot itself probably going awry
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[16:56] <Tenkawa> can you even ping its ip?
[16:57] <Tenkawa> i doubt it will however just want to make sure
[16:57] <KushS> Tenkawa: cant even find it's IP
[16:57] <jer> get a tool called "arping"
[16:57] <pksato> KushS: wifi dongle still connected?
[16:57] <jer> and arping its ip, works at a lower level on the stack
[16:57] <jer> if it's physically connected, and can communicate via arp, you'll get a response; which if that happens, leads you to a routing issue
[16:57] <jer> or perhaps firewall issue
[16:58] <KushS> pksato: Nope. Removed it
[16:58] <KushS> jer: firewall is off. arp -a doesnt show the device
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[17:00] <KushS> I'll just go ahead and flash it again
[17:02] <Sonny_Jim> Hmm that's strange:
[17:02] <Sonny_Jim> Program received signal SIGILL, Illegal instruction.
[17:02] <Sonny_Jim> 0xb6ea0600 in ?? () from /usr/lib/arm-linux-gnueabihf/libcrypto.so.1.0.0
[17:02] <Tenkawa> Sonny_Jim: ouch
[17:03] <Sonny_Jim> Pretty sure I shouldn't be getting a SIGILL, my code isn't that whacky
[17:04] <Sonny_Jim> Might just be gdb being screwy, I found that it doesn't like to start processes on the Pi, although it will attach to processes just fine
[17:07] <Sonny_Jim> Yup, top tip for anyone using gdb on the Pi. Put a getchar() and attach to the process, rather than running the process from gdb
[17:07] <Sonny_Jim> For some odd reason it just acts weird if you don't attach to an already running process
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[17:11] <Tenkawa> cheers all.. bbl
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[17:12] <KushS> Sonny_Jim: flashing the sd card worked
[17:13] * ozzzy flashed the neighbour... didn't help anything
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[17:27] <HD|Laptop> hello all
[17:27] <Froolab> The new foobar is out
[17:27] <HD|Laptop> does the rpi have one or two UART ports?
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[17:35] <shiftplusone> HD|Laptop: technically, 2. I don't know how to use the other one.
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[17:44] <JonBee> Hey - anyone able to help me with NetworkManager setup for WiFi on the pi?
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[17:50] <JonBee> Hey - anyone able to help me with NetworkManager setup for WiFi on the pi?
[17:52] <strobelight> JonBee: is that the Wifi Icon used to set it up or something else?
[17:53] <shiftplusone> JonBee: people don't generally volunteer themselves to help before they know what the problem is
[17:53] <JonBee> strobe: No, it is installed through aptget with the gnome GUI.
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[17:54] <JonBee> Shift: it is saying that the device is "Not Ready" when looking for the wifi networks available. I am able to scan wifi through command line, but it shows up as not ready when trying to find through GUI
[17:55] <shiftplusone> make sure raspberrypi-net-mods is not installed and move /etc/network/interfaces(something) to /etc/network/interfaces
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[17:58] <JonBee> shift: what would be appended there where you have the (something)?
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[17:59] <JonBee> shift: i see, just did an #ls /etc/network/ and i have three interfaces.save files
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[18:07] <KushS> Shit has hit the fan again. For the third time in a row, after editing the network/interface file for wifi connectivity, the pi2 wont boot up after a restart
[18:07] <KushS> ping and ssh returns host is down
[18:09] <HD|Laptop> argh... anyone here who knows how to use that rotten UART port?
[18:10] <nomis> KushS: will you *please
[18:10] <HD|Laptop> I removed the ttyAMA0 stuff from cmdline.txt and rebooted
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[18:10] <nomis> KushS: will you *please* connect monitor and keyboard to figure out what is wrong?
[18:10] <HD|Laptop> But when bridging txd/rxd and trying minicom, picocom or plain cat/echo I cannot read my own stuff
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[18:12] <KushS> any help with this issue ?
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[18:13] <mimer> KushS, connect a monitor and a keyboard and fix the settings?
[18:13] <mimer> or wont it boot at all?
[18:14] <HD|Laptop> nvm, I was too stupid to count pins.
[18:14] <ShorTie> KushS, did you just plug the wifi adapter in on reboot ??
[18:14] <KushS> mimer: No monitor so cant verify. Looks like I need to fish for one.
[18:14] <nomis> KushS: will you *please* connect monitor and keyboard to figure out what is wrong?
[18:15] <atoms101> Hello, my original model Raspberry Pi got fried by lightning. I had a wordpress server setup on it. Can I buy the newest version raspberry pi, and plugin the old SD card, and expect it to work?
[18:15] <mimer> or you could mount the sd card in another system, chroot into the environment and fix the settings
[18:15] <KushS> nomis: Yes :P Started asking for a monitor. Someone some where in the college must be having one
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[18:16] <nomis> atoms101: if the sd card did not get harmed by the lightning there is a good chance that it will work.
[18:16] <lindenk> atoms101: you might need to update the kernal to support the new hardware depending on when you last updated. rpi to rpi2 needed some new drivers and such
[18:16] <ShorTie> atoms101, depends on when you did the last apt-get update/upgrade/dist-upgrade
[18:16] <atoms101> probably 6 months ago
[18:17] <ShorTie> then, nop
[18:17] <KushS> mimer: Will have to look up how to do it
[18:17] <atoms101> will it give me a console prompt to let me run commands to fix it?
[18:17] <atoms101> or will it not boot at all
[18:17] <ShorTie> nop, it will not know what a rpi2 is
[18:18] <ShorTie> kinda like the land before time type thing
[18:18] <HD|Laptop> ShorTie, also, the original rpi had a full-sized sd card, iirc
[18:18] <JonBee> anyone have any idea why NetworkManager, when installed, will show the wifi device as "Not Ready"?
[18:18] <JK-47> my attempts at the apt-get update/upgrade/dist-upgrade for rpi to rpi2 this weekend werent successful either.
[18:18] <atoms101> i had a micro sd card plugged into a SD to microsd adapter
[18:18] <JK-47> stuck on black screen.
[18:18] <JK-47> even practically purging my config.txt
[18:19] <ShorTie> maybe, but that is another good point
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[18:19] <JK-47> think ill do a fresh install and diff all the configs.
[18:19] <JK-47> my security system runs at 97%
[18:19] <JK-47> want the higher processing power
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[18:20] <KushS> mimer: any idea how to do it on mac? online resources are scarce
[18:20] <mimer> KushS, sec
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[18:21] <ShorTie> KushS, does it boot without the wifi plugged in ??
[18:21] <KushS> ShorTie: nope
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[18:23] <ShorTie> ok, interesting, and all you played with was network/interface file ??
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[18:26] <KushS> ShorTie: yes. Same procedure all three times
[18:27] <ShorTie> interesting, what did you change in it ??
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[18:27] <ShorTie> i think i did hear that some of that stuff got changed up
[18:27] <ShorTie> have you look in the forums for help ??
[18:30] <ShorTie> like here maybe https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=28&t=44044&p=765144&hilit=network#p765144
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[18:38] <Sonny_Jim> How are you powering the Pi?
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[18:43] <JonBee> anyone have any idea why NetworkManager, when installed, will show the wifi device as "Not Ready"?
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[19:37] <Encapsulation> anyone here ever used their pis gpio pins?
[19:37] <Encapsulation> false readings on a pir, any ideas
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[19:42] <Tenkawa> Encapsulation: false in what manner?
[19:42] <Encapsulation> Tenkawa, it triggers every few seconds even in a bag
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[19:43] <Encapsulation> sensitibity at minimum
[19:43] <Encapsulation> v
[19:43] <Encapsulation> I bypassed the voltage regulator to run it at 3.3v and it still doesnt work correctly
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[19:44] <Tenkawa> hmm.. have you put a meter on it and checked its resistance and if its shorting?
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[19:53] <Tenkawa> Encapsulation: you see my last post?
[19:55] <nomis> "bypassing the volatage regulator" sounds like a bad idea.
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[20:00] <Ephexeve> hey guys, I got a antena for Alpha AWUS036H, with a huge antena (not sure the model, it's about a a meter tall). When connecting to the RPI, it doesnt work
[20:00] <Ephexeve> can it be that RPI cannot spread much electrical power to the alfa?
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[20:03] <Sonny_Jim> Is it a Pi1 or Pi2?
[20:04] <Ephexeve> Sonny_Jim: B+
[20:04] <Ephexeve> Pi1
[20:04] <Ephexeve> Sonny_Jim: I am usng alfa AWUS036NH
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[20:05] <nomis> at work we recently had a lot of trouble with some alpha-huge-antenna thing. Not sure about the exact model. We in the end weren't sure if the drivers are up to standards. But then this was with a different hardware platform and a pretty old kernel.
[20:05] <Ephexeve> hmmmm, I see
[20:05] <Ephexeve> I am using minibian
[20:05] <Ephexeve> not sure.. hmmm
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[20:06] <nomis> sorry. Just another datapoint to confuse you...
[20:06] <Ephexeve> nomis: no worries, I think it's the power
[20:06] <nomis> Ephexeve: what makes you think that?
[20:07] <nomis> Ephexeve: you could try putting an powered hub inbetween
[20:08] <Ephexeve> hmmm, I haven't thought about the powered up. I think because the alfa's led is going waaaay to low
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[20:09] <Sonny_Jim> Is it plugged straight into the Pi1?
[20:09] <Ephexeve> Sonny_Jim: Yes
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[20:09] <Sonny_Jim> Because Pi1 USB power sucks
[20:09] <Sonny_Jim> Get a powered hub
[20:09] <Ephexeve> I noticed. I will do that
[20:09] <nomis> Sonny_Jim: I thought power was revamped for B+?
[20:10] <Sonny_Jim> Pi2
[20:10] <nomis> oh, ok.
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[20:13] <Ephexeve> so a powerhub is connected to the socket and the computer, correct?
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[20:13] <Ephexeve> (just making sure before I buy it wrong)
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[20:13] <nomis> Ephexeve: a powered hub has its own power supply.
[20:14] <Ephexeve> cool
[20:14] <Ephexeve> thanks
[20:14] <nomis> Ephexeve: but maybe if the alpha thing is so huge it has its own power supply connector?
[20:14] <Ephexeve> no :(
[20:14] <Ephexeve> just a cable that connects to alfa
[20:15] <nomis> ok.
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[20:18] <ahop> Hi!
[20:18] <ahop> I'm trying to improve boot time for embedded projects :)
[20:18] <ahop> If you have results / recipes, here it is : http://www.reddit.com/r/raspberry_pi/comments/37buks/boot_time_contest_on_raspberrypi/
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[20:28] <niston> ahop: ~18 seconds from pluggin in power cord to having C# application loaded under mono and producing output (audio)
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[20:30] <niston> standard raspbian but with systemd instead of initd
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[20:32] <ahop> niston: with Arch I had ~10 seconds
[20:33] <ahop> but I know some people achieve ~5 seconds
[20:33] <ozzzy> I can't imagine even wasting the time to check boot time LOL
[20:33] <ahop> The current goal is : 10 sec with Raspbian Jessie (currently I have 15secs maybe)
[20:33] <ahop> ozzzy lol
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[20:37] <niston> ahop: mono takes surprisingly long to load
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[20:37] <Ephexeve> do you think a 5V usb hub is enought?
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[20:38] <ozzzy> usb is 5v... how many volts do you want
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[20:39] <Ephexeve> ozzzy: ops, i meant a powered USB hub with 500mA
[20:39] <Ephexeve> its reggarding about my alfa question
[20:39] <ozzzy> that depends on how much current the devices plugged in draw
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[20:41] <ozzzy> I have no idea what an alfa is
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[20:48] <ShorTie> isn't that Darla's boy friend ??
[20:48] <ShorTie> oops, thats Alfalfa
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[20:50] <tawr> alfa the high powered wifi cards, Ephexeve
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[20:52] <ozzzy> ShorTie, is he related to Buckwheat?
[20:53] <ShorTie> Ephexeve, the B+ has the same power circuit as the rpi2 which needs the current hack to enable full usb current
[20:53] <ShorTie> otherwise it is limited to 600ma
[20:54] <Ephexeve> ShorTie: and what is the current hack?
[20:54] <ShorTie> i believe so ozzzy
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[20:54] <ShorTie> https://projects.drogon.net/testing-setting-the-usb-current-limiter-on-the-raspberry-pi-b/
[20:55] <ShorTie> or short form "echo "max_usb_current=1" >> /boot/config.txt"
[20:55] <ShorTie> and reboot
[20:56] <Sonny_Jim> Oh, didn't realise the B+ had the updated power hardware, my apologies
[20:56] <Sonny_Jim> What happened to gordondrogon anyway?
[20:57] <Ephexeve> thanks, hopefully I will get this to work now!
[20:58] <ShorTie> but you need atleast a >2amp supply and good quality micro-usb cable for it to work well
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[20:59] <Macuser> anyone here done a weather station project before?
[20:59] <ShorTie> other then baking bread Sonny_Jim, not real sure, but ya, miss him too...
[20:59] <ShorTie> Davespice has
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[21:03] <TheWarden> Hello
[21:03] <TheWarden> does anyone know when Raspbian Jessie will be released?
[21:03] <TheWarden> It appears Raspbian Wheezy is still being provided by The Raspberry Pi Foundation on their download page with no reference to Jessie.
[21:04] <ShorTie> they will work on it as soon as they get all the Bugs out of wheezy
[21:05] <ShorTie> hopefully the next release/image, but not too sure on that
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[21:06] <ShorTie> other then taking awhile, you can normally update Wheezy to Jessie with no problems though
[21:06] <ahop> Every time I come here
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[21:06] <ahop> I see this question :)
[21:06] <ahop> And I also asked it myself!
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[21:07] <ahop> Isn't there a Raspbian Jessie "Testing" branch somewhere?
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[21:07] <ShorTie> yes, been there for awhile now really
[21:07] <ShorTie> almost 2 years by now i think
[21:09] <ShorTie> but no, no official images as of yet, only the ability to start from scratch or upgrade
[21:09] <ahop> The easiest I've found is:
[21:09] <ahop> 1) Netinst-ua
[21:09] <ahop> 2) modify the installer-config.txt and add release=jessie
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[21:10] <ahop> 3) Put the µSD in the RPi, and let the installer run!
[21:10] <ShorTie> easier with my_pi_os.sh imho
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[21:10] <ahop> what's that? :)
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[21:10] <ShorTie> you get the use of the foundations kernel and bootloader
[21:11] <ShorTie> plus you can make an image or a sdcard
[21:11] <ahop> how?
[21:11] <ahop> in a few s
[21:11] <ahop> easy steps?
[21:11] <ShorTie> https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=104981&p=755671
[21:11] <ShorTie> Yes sir
[21:12] <ShorTie> even does stretch if you want
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[21:12] <ahop> Waw!!
[21:12] <ahop> Amazing!
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[21:12] <ShorTie> and a desktop too...
[21:13] <ahop> Is there a light version with no desktop?
[21:14] <ShorTie> sure, you don't need to install the desktop
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[21:14] <ShorTie> it is rem'd out by defualt
[21:14] <ShorTie> configuration is done by #'s
[21:15] <ahop> All is done in the .sh ?
[21:15] <ShorTie> plus, it uses apt-get to get added stuff, un-like Netinst-ua
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[21:15] <ShorTie> Yuppers ... :)
[21:16] <ShorTie> just run it from your pi is all
[21:16] <ahop> Will it be a 100% real Jessie, or
[21:16] <ahop> an upgraded-from-wheezy Jessie?
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[21:19] <ShorTie> it will be a 100% what ever distro you chose
[21:19] <ShorTie> anyone 1 from wheezy to strech
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[21:20] <ahop> what's stretch?
[21:20] <ShorTie> jessie you can chose to use ftp.debian or the foundation for sources
[21:20] <Tenkawa> one of debian's release codenames
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[21:20] <ShorTie> since jessie went stable, strech is the new testing
[21:21] <ahop> ok
[21:22] <ahop> ShorTie: a last thing: where should I run the .sh from?
[21:22] <ahop> From my desktop Linux on PC?
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[21:22] <ShorTie> any where on your pi
[21:22] <ahop> or from the RPi itself?
[21:22] <ahop> From the RPi?
[21:22] <ahop> so it will overwrite itself :) ?
[21:22] <ShorTie> gotta be the pi, need a arm processor
[21:23] <ahop> it will erase the SDcard (in order to fdisk, mkfs, etc.)
[21:23] <ahop> Can the RPi erase its own OS ?
[21:23] <ShorTie> no it will not over right
[21:23] <niston> ShorTie: that's cool
[21:24] <ShorTie> nop, it will use a sdcard plugged into the usb slot or make an image
[21:24] <Tenkawa> i still prefer to build my own
[21:24] <ShorTie> i do too
[21:24] <ahop> Won't it overwrite the SD card in the main slot ?
[21:24] * ShorTie snickers
[21:25] <ahop> Tenkawa : your own what?
[21:25] <Tenkawa> ahop: install image
[21:25] <ahop> ok
[21:25] <ShorTie> nop, no 'overwrite the SD card in the main slot'
[21:25] <Tenkawa> i've been building os' though a long time
[21:25] <ahop> I'll try your .sh ShorTie!
[21:26] <ahop> Thanks for sharing it :)
[21:26] <ahop> Tenkawa ShorTie, I know I have asked the question already but...
[21:26] <ShorTie> No Problem
[21:26] <ahop> ... what optimal boot time do you get with Jessie? (systemd)
[21:26] <ahop> I really need to improve it for my embedded project : www.samplerbox.org
[21:26] <Tenkawa> cant answer... i dont use systemd
[21:27] <ShorTie> boot time all depends on what you load up
[21:27] <ahop> Tenkawa: so I assume boot time is > 20 sec then?
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[21:27] <Tenkawa> nope
[21:27] <Tenkawa> much quicker
[21:27] <ahop> ShorTie: I want to load nothing except a Python script and ssh
[21:27] <Tenkawa> its like ShorTie said
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[21:27] <Tenkawa> depends on what you are starting up
[21:27] <ahop> ShorTie what do you think we can achieve?
[21:28] <ShorTie> ssh adds networking, which adds time if dhcp
[21:28] <TheLostAdmin> I haven't used systemd. So, I can't really say either but I've been reading up on it since I know it's coming. From what I can tell, the boot time isn't significantly different between init and systemd. Given that my Pi boots in a matter of seconds (definitely under 30) that doesn't leave a lot of room for improvement.
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[21:29] <Tenkawa> i still see no reason both cant continue to exist
[21:29] <TheWarden> ShorTie: Oh okay, thanks.
[21:30] <TheLostAdmin> I don't see any reason that the both can't exist either but I can see how any given distribution would pick one or the other for the base build. I don't understand the appeal to systemd (even after reading about it) but I'm not making operating systems.
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[21:31] <Tenkawa> TheLostAdmin: to each their own.. thats why we have different os now isnt it?
[21:31] <TheWarden> wow didn't realize I cause a big convo about Jessie lol
[21:31] <TheLostAdmin> Agree,d, Tenkawa
[21:31] <TheLostAdmin> TheWarden, this isn't a Jessie thing. This is a the-whole-linux-world-is-in-flux-thing.
[21:31] <Tenkawa> heehee
[21:31] <Tenkawa> yep
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[21:32] * Tenkawa remembers unix back in the 80's ..wow has times changed
[21:32] <TheLostAdmin> Us old farts like our directories full of script that come with init. Someone else feels they can do better.
[21:32] <TheWarden> TheLostAdmin: Oh, how is that? I already am using Debian Jessie on my servers and was realized awhile ago as stable. This is specific to Debian of their release. Is there something more going on that I don't know?
[21:33] <Tenkawa> TheLostAdmin: systemd+sqlite... now we're talking hehehe
[21:33] <TheWarden> Sure there is the Kernel updates but that is decided by each distro when to adopt the next version.
[21:33] <ahop> TheLostAdmin: according to my tests (but I'm a Linux noob) it makes HUGE diff between Systemd and Sysinit
[21:33] <ahop> Raspbian Wheezy: 25 seconds, Raspbian Jessie: 15 seconds, ArchArm : 9 seconds
[21:33] <TheWarden> oh man systemd is so awesome... wish Debian had it sooner lol. So far it's great to see.
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[21:33] <TheLostAdmin> Systemd is/was being adopted by a lot of different linux distributions. I believe Jessie is the release of Debian that switched to it by default. As I understand things, you can choose to install/run Jessie with init if you want.
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[21:34] <TheWarden> ahop: that are those times, boot up?
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[21:34] <TheWarden> That is correct TheLostAdmin.
[21:34] <ahop> Start: plugging the power cord / Finish: SSHe
[21:34] <ahop> SSHed
[21:34] <H__> systemd crashes my laptop on boot . upstart lets it boot.
[21:35] <TheLostAdmin> ahop: with the same config choices (dhcp vs static ip)? All the same daemons running and configured the same? If so, excellent.
[21:35] <H__> but back to rpi's ...
[21:35] <TheWarden> ahop: ahh nice
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[21:35] <ahop> Here we could share tricks to speed up boot: http://www.reddit.com/r/raspberry_pi/comments/37buks/boot_time_contest_on_raspberrypi/
[21:36] <ahop> Some people achieved < 5 seconds boot, but it was with Buildroot, too difficult for me... (no apt-get etc. .. => too hard for me)
[21:36] <TheWarden> So I read someone saying they prefer to build their own OS on the Raspberry Pi. How do you accomplish this? At present I'm not understanding how to build a custom OS from Debian for the Raspberry Pi. I want to have a minimal install for my needs but presently use the
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[21:36] <TheWarden> Raspberry Pi Foundation images.
[21:36] <ahop> ShorTie: do you think you could help me a little bit?
[21:37] <ahop> about your .sh ?
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[21:37] <ahop> Here is the thing: my code is https://github.com/josephernest/SamplerBox
[21:37] <ahop> I need as fast booting as possbible
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[21:38] <TheWarden> keep in mind I'm wanting do this with a Raspberry Pi Model B 2
[21:38] <ahop> ShorTie Could you help me to build an image with as light as possible to have lower boot time?
[21:38] <ahop> I could even pay for this :)
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[21:40] <ShorTie> TheWarden, this will make a minimal install for you https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=104981&p=755671
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[21:42] <ShorTie> i'll give you all the help i can
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[21:42] <TheWarden> ShorTie: thanks I'll take a look and thanks for the offer to help.
[21:42] <TheWarden> ShorTie: this works on Raspberry Pi Model B 2 ?
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[21:43] <ShorTie> Yes sir, you run it on your Raspberry Pi Model B 2
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[22:23] <Froolab> has anyone gotten an ftpd working on their pi? if so which one? I've tried several. :)
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[22:26] <TheLostAdmin> sftp not going to do the job?
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[22:30] <TheWarden> ShorTie: okay, great. Just making sure :-).
[22:30] <Captain_Crow> will a passive buzzer work with pi for audio?
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[22:35] <Froolab> I haven't tried sftp. I tried vsftpd I can get it working, problem is local users can't upload unless annonymous users can also upload which unfortunately means delete and replace
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[22:35] <Ryccardo> Captain_Crow: well, you definitely need to write a kernel driver (to make Linux know "buzzer on GPIO X"), then to actually get true sound there should be an alsa driver to use buzzers as speakers
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[22:36] <Froolab> I've tried pureftpd..... but for whatever reason it sends the pasv replies to an ap address seperated by comma and not period so I get pasv 192,168,47,3,9010
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[22:37] <Froolab> then i can't ls a directory for no route to host
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[22:38] <Ryccardo> that comma separated thing is normal
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[22:41] <ahop> Comma separated rules
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[22:50] <Encrypt> Froolab, You should try SFTP
[22:50] <Encrypt> You only need SSH enabled on the remote machine
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[22:51] <Encrypt> If you're using Nautilus on your computer, you simply have to press Ctrl + L and then type in: ssh://user@machine:22
[22:51] <Froolab> ok, I'll try that next...... I just wonder how much installing various ftpd is changing the system so I don;t really know why one worked or what fixed it
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[23:03] <Froolab> guess that's not gonna happen
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[23:15] <doomlord> i know this room is titled 'raspberrypi' but assuming there might be general interest in ARM boards.. any opinions on the nvidia TK1 board
[23:16] <doomlord> am i right in thinking this is the most powerful arm board you can get (particularly GPU); how does performance per watt compare to the rpi; what about software support.
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[23:16] <doomlord> i realise its not in the same 'market' as the rpi2
[23:18] <niston> any speculation and crystal balling as to when an updated CM will become available?
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[23:24] <strobelight> ShorTie: cool script, does the image created boot to raspi-config then?
[23:24] <strobelight> to expand filesystem for bigger sdcard later for example?
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[23:25] <ShorTie> nop
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[23:26] <ShorTie> gotta do it later
[23:26] <strobelight> k, always wondered how those were created too
[23:27] <ShorTie> what is that ??
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[23:27] <CanDoo> this is going to sound weird
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[23:28] <CanDoo> i am looking a runniing my pi from a lipo
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[23:28] <CanDoo> but realistically 7.2v is the best choice power to size ratio in lipos
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[23:28] <ShorTie> don't think 'a lipo', maybe 2
[23:28] <tawr> that
[23:28] <CanDoo> about 5600mah
[23:28] <tawr> or run it off a usb power pack
[23:29] <tawr> that's the easiest/cheapest way
[23:29] <CanDoo> what i wondered was what could i use as a voltage regulator
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[23:29] <tawr> all a usb power pack is, is lipos, with a dc-dc buck converter to up the voltage to a 5v regulated output
[23:29] <tawr> why not go that route?
[23:29] <CanDoo> a buck converter is a feedback loop through op amps right?
[23:29] <strobelight> ShorTie: those raspberrypi.org images, like raspbian, which when booted, jumps into config where you expand file system to fill say 32gb sdcard.
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[23:29] <tawr> eh, they're single-chip devices now CanDoo
[23:30] <CanDoo> hehe
[23:30] <CanDoo> showing my age
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[23:30] <tawr> throw on a few external components like the inductor and caps, it's all internal, running at a few mhz!
[23:30] <tawr> seriously though, usb powerpacks are great. i went through a few and found one that has 'pass-through'
[23:30] <tawr> and is fast enough to act as a ups
[23:30] <CanDoo> yeah a usb powerback would work. i even have one
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[23:30] <tawr> so it goes ac adapter -> usb poewr pack -> rpi
[23:30] <CanDoo> i'll just take it apart and skinny it down
[23:31] <tawr> if i unplug the wall, the powerpack switches over the lipo fast enough the rpi doesn't crash
[23:31] <CanDoo> i want to build a portable sprectrum analiser useing a SDR dongle and a rpi 2
[23:31] <CanDoo> and a touch screen
[23:31] <tawr> that's what im doing
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[23:31] <tawr> except in a pelican case, with wifi fun too
[23:31] <CanDoo> oooppss
[23:31] <CanDoo> i would never want to ripoff anyones idea
[23:31] <tawr> with a 2w alfa network card and a 723n. external connectors for antennas
[23:31] <tawr> no
[23:31] <tawr> it's pretty common
[23:32] <tawr> most people do similar not for sdr but for gaming and such
[23:32] <CanDoo> i'v used sdr before on a linux box and a windows box
[23:32] <CanDoo> i worry that gnuradio will not run well on a pi though
[23:32] <tawr> the more the merrier
[23:32] <tawr> which pi?
[23:32] <tawr> the pi2 can run it well
[23:32] <CanDoo> 2
[23:32] <tawr> it'll run it
[23:32] <tawr> http://i.imgur.com/6qwVsFDl.jpg
[23:32] <tawr> i recently found UV markers and went a bit crazy, but that's the setup
[23:33] <tawr> outside of it's case which is still a wip
[23:33] <CanDoo> nice
[23:33] <tawr> you can slim a lot of stuff down pulling cases off
[23:33] <tawr> http://i.imgur.com/G4OimXbl.jpg
[23:33] <CanDoo> exactly
[23:34] <tawr> that's a 4 port usb hub i parred down and used some lexan and shcs for the new base
[23:34] <tawr> i like lexan + black screw look,
[23:34] <CanDoo> so if you know about sdr then you proninly know about the upconverters for it?
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[23:35] <tawr> yes
[23:35] <CanDoo> i had a throught
[23:36] <CanDoo> what if you actualted the clock pin on the pi in place of the oscililator of an upconverter
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[23:37] <CanDoo> now mind you this is where i start sounding like i am talking out my ass.
[23:37] <CanDoo> and i apologize in advance
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[23:37] <tawr> lol
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[23:37] <tawr> the upconverter clock-rate is what?
[23:38] <CanDoo> 100mhz if i recall
[23:38] <CanDoo> er 125
[23:38] <tawr> i mean, the pi has a few pll, so it might work. it would be better on a bbb since they have pru's that could be dedicated for it, but i suppose the pi could do it. pushing that frequency through even a 6" wire would be hard
[23:39] <CanDoo> true
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[23:41] <tawr> are you familiar with pelican cases CanDoo
[23:41] <CanDoo> some what
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[23:41] <CanDoo> i'v seen a few
[23:41] <CanDoo> not cheap
[23:41] <CanDoo> very rugged
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[23:42] <tawr> i'm building my setup ine one
[23:42] <tawr> my old FA kit i grew out of
[23:42] <CanDoo> what purpose did you ahve in mind?
[23:43] <tytan> Hello, everyone. I remember an overclock setting in raspi-config for the Raspberry Pi B+. Is this option available on the new Raspberry Pi 2 runnung Raspbian?
[23:43] <BurtyB> tawr, well with a 20cm piece of wire it pushes a ~100Mhz signal into the air with PiFm ;)
[23:44] <tawr> yes tytan
[23:44] <CanDoo> an fm modulator useing a pi. hehe
[23:44] <tawr> CanDoo, pelican 1200 case
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[23:44] <tytan> tawr What frequency is listed as turbo pi now?
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[23:45] <osxyer> hey guys, is it hard to do a NAS with a rp1 ?
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[23:45] <tawr> tytan, 1k iirc
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[23:45] <tawr> i run mine at 800
[23:45] <tytan> osxyer Not if you could do it with any other machine running a Linux based os ^^
[23:46] <tytan> tawr Isn't 900MHz the base frequency?
[23:46] <osxyer> the only ting is that my external drives dont seem to be detected by rp1
[23:46] <tawr> core_freq=250
[23:46] <tawr> sdram_freq=400
[23:46] <tawr> over_voltage=0
[23:46] <tawr> arm_freq=800
[23:46] <tawr> is my oc setup in config.txt which is just 1 step up iirc. the raspi-config goes to 1k if i remember right
[23:47] <tawr> osxyer, that's because you're not running a usb hub
[23:47] <tawr> the rpi is limited to 600ma through usb total
[23:47] <osxyer> I
[23:47] <tawr> unless you remove the safety and it can do 1.2A
[23:47] <tawr> it's best to use a powered usb hub
[23:47] <osxyer> and if I do a NAS, the max speed would be the USB 2 speed ?
[23:47] <tytan> osxyer indeed
[23:47] <osxyer> pretty slow transfers
[23:48] <tytan> osxyer That's why you usually don't see pis doing nas stuff :P
[23:48] <osxyer> better to use a computer.
[23:48] <tawr> that's why you see odroids
[23:48] <tawr> doing that.
[23:48] <osxyer> how is the rp2 with deintelracing?
[23:48] <tawr> look up odroid osxyer. a bit more expensive, but worlds apart from a pi
[23:49] <tawr> the xu3-lite is probably the fastest board on the market right now
[23:49] <tawr> err, xu3
[23:49] <tawr> the lite is a bit more affordable
[23:49] <osxyer> i see
[23:50] <osxyer> maybe i should just get a new mobo for this old computer
[23:50] <tawr> meh
[23:50] <tawr> or be on bleeding edge technology and learn skills you can put to use ;D
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[23:51] <osxyer> im just tired of my rp1 slowness with openelec
[23:51] <tytan> tawr Do you own a rp2?
[23:51] <tawr> yes
[23:52] <tawr> i just linked you my config.txt and explained the raspi-config to you, tytan
[23:52] <tawr> err pasted
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[23:53] <osxyer> 10 hours to transfer 100gb :S
[23:53] <tytan> tawr I know. I thought you might copied your rp1b+ config because there was a magic 1GHz barrier on rp1 ^^
[23:55] <tytan> I just ordered mine. With 1GB of RAM I imagine it to perform almost like a slow desktop pc ^^
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[23:59] <sebaaa> does anyone have experience making a keyboard for a pi out of pushbuttons?
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