#raspberrypi IRC Log


IRC Log for 2015-06-01

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[21:46] * Set by ShorTie!~Idiot@unaffiliated/shortie on Thu Jan 29 11:49:50 CET 2015
[21:46] <doomlord> Scunizi yes confirmed, thats' exactly what it is
[21:46] <Scunizi> doomlord: could be .. I haven't checked the docs out
[21:46] <doomlord> 1 high quality main camera - and using the USB for a lower quality second camera. Hell, thats better than nothing
[21:46] <AlephTwo> doomlord: *cough* http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Multi-camera-Adapter-module-fully-compatible-for-official-Raspberry-Pi-Board-/281681711510?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item419589d196
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[21:47] <doomlord> AlephTwo wow, ok, thats more like it
[21:47] <AlephTwo> That is a nice bit-o-kit!
[21:48] <Scunizi> Is that a glue stick being used as the verticle support?
[21:48] <AlephTwo> Yes. Straight from their labs, probably :)
[21:49] <nomis> AlephTwo: wow. But that is switching between the cameras, no simultaneous video. Right?
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[21:49] <AlephTwo> multiplexing according to pdf
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[21:49] <brasizza> have you used opencv guys ?
[21:50] <AlephTwo> I play more with SimpleCV, but yes
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[21:50] <brasizza> i'll get married and i wanna play a game with some guests.
[21:51] <doomlord> 'multiplexing' .... switching? only one camera simultaneous? .. this one board costs the same as 2xRPI2, but of course I'll need power, case, SD... but the SD cards would contribute to storage
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[21:51] <AlephTwo> doomlord: You could fake it with rapid switching
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[21:51] <doomlord> i gather the camera claims '30fps 1920x1080p' .. is that a limitaiton of the rate of video compression
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[21:52] <doomlord> by having 4 physical pi's, perhaps you're benefiting from having 4 chips doing compression
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[21:52] <AlephTwo> Apparently the camera module may be able to go up to 100fps for some resolutions, but the GPU code isn't there yet
[21:52] <AlephTwo> doomlord: All the work is done on the gpu
[21:52] <AlephTwo> You have the pi left for w/e
[21:53] <AlephTwo> It can also stream 30fps/1080 with a built-in webserver, via websockets. I'm very interested in figuring out how to tap that stream.
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[21:54] <seriema> AlephTwo: I booted into retropie but it's spewing out segmentation faults =(
[21:54] <AlephTwo> ouch.
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[21:54] <AlephTwo> Possibly a permissions issue maybe (still)?
[21:54] <seriema> =/
[21:54] <seriema> in a minute I have a screenshot for you (syncing)
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[21:55] <AlephTwo> You would have significantly more luck with a second microsd card for raspbian :P
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[21:56] <doomlord> the camera is only £15.. ModelA+Camera: £30. a few more bits needed though
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[21:57] <doomlord> seems like one could get a 4camera setup to mess around with at a fairly disposable price
[21:57] <AlephTwo> doomlord: Not a bad price. You can also get longer (and wrapped, flexible) cables to have them away from the pi
[21:58] <doomlord> this is going to be a bit heath robinson, i imagine I'll have a plastic bag with duct-tape to protect it from weather rather than a case
[21:58] <seriema> AlephTwo: yeah... thinking of going that route actually. and it seems that there's a console for retropie anyway. I just didn't want to mix coding/hacking with my gaming
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[21:59] <AlephTwo> doomlord: https://www.raspberrypi.org/dewarping-360-images-from-the-pi-camera-board/ Have one camera on a pole under a mirror-dome :)
[21:59] <doomlord> can anyone say , off hand, if the 30fps is going to be like snapshots at 1/30second intervals, or motion-blurred 1/30 seconds of sampling
[21:59] <AlephTwo> doomlord: Good question. I'd guess that depends upon light level, as I think auto-shutter speed is enabled (but I could be wrong)
[22:00] <doomlord> AlephTwo the panoramic lens is a nice idea, but I'll be a little more extravagent and get 4 cameras for a higher quality panorama
[22:00] <AlephTwo> you can set shutter speed manually (in microseconds), so the pics will be as blurry as you let them
[22:01] <doomlord> nice
[22:01] <AlephTwo> http://makezine.com/2014/11/03/stereo-depth-perception-with-raspberry-pi/
[22:01] <AlephTwo> Wasn't that what you mentioned?
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[22:02] <AlephTwo> seriema: With two cards, you'd have more separation.
[22:02] <doomlord> depth perceptino , yes this would be of interest (3d scanning and/or panoramic scanning)
[22:02] <seriema> AlephTwo: and more hassle. can't hide the rpi
[22:03] <AlephTwo> box duct-taped to the downtube with flex-cables to the camera
[22:04] <AlephTwo> damn. That compute module is very nice.
[22:04] <AlephTwo> 2 serial display + 2 camera connectors
[22:05] <seriema> AlephTwo: segfaults https://www.dropbox.com/s/ijycvshi1a7dsyh/2015-06-01%2021.53.06.jpg?dl=0
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[22:09] <TheWarden> Hi
[22:09] <TheWarden> I tried to run tvservice -s and I get "[E] Failed to initialize VCHI (ret=-1)". What does this mean and how can I fix it?
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[22:12] <TheWarden> I have all the latest updates applied including firmware. Its running on RPI B+. It was working but for some reason it quite working.
[22:12] <AlephTwo> seriema: Looks suspiciously like something hasn't mounted correctly (or permissions in /var/log)
[22:13] <seriema> AlephTwo: at the top. why is it trying to start "Google Chrome.app"? .app is a OSX thing
[22:13] <AlephTwo> but issues again with init-functions
[22:13] <seriema> yeah =/
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[22:13] <swiss> oh interesting
[22:14] <swiss> tvservice is a nicer frontend than cecclient basically, right?
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[22:14] <AlephTwo> It's also looking for Mac, which I'm assuming is the name of your Mac?
[22:15] <AlephTwo> I'd guess that if you looked in the init-functions.d folder, you will see a LOT of Mac hidden files (._20-left-info-blocks)
[22:15] <AlephTwo> Or at least one :)
[22:15] <swiss> TheWarden: reboot
[22:15] <TheWarden> Ahh okay, I figured out the problem. The user I'm using must be a part of the "video" group.
[22:15] <swiss> TheWarden: i bet you have a legacy thingy running
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[22:15] <TheWarden> swiss: I tried that no go. The user needs to be in the group "video" in order for the command to work.
[22:15] <seriema> AlephTwo: very likely... argh
[22:16] <AlephTwo> seriema: in a terminal, ls -lah /where/retropie/is/mounted/lib/lsb/init-functions.d
[22:16] <seriema> maybe that got added when I opened the file you sent and then zipped it
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[22:16] <AlephTwo> Yup
[22:16] <seriema> =(
[22:16] <AlephTwo> As soon as you unzip stuff into a mac, it get's all pokey and fuck you
[22:16] <seriema> lol yeah
[22:16] <AlephTwo> Hence (one of) the reason I no longer use them
[22:16] <swiss> TheWarden: ah, that too
[22:17] <swiss> i was assuming you were running it as root
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[22:17] <AlephTwo> seriema: Your next issue may be in /dev with the vchiq device permissions
[22:18] <seriema> what's a vchiq?
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[22:18] <AlephTwo> dunno, but it's in my /dev/ :)
[22:18] <seriema> hm
[22:18] <AlephTwo> owned by root.video
[22:19] <seriema> I'm a bit lost on how I should open the file you sent me, and tar it, without mac adding files to it =/
[22:19] <AlephTwo> Use your raspbian install
[22:20] <seriema> >_<
[22:20] <seriema> ok
[22:20] <AlephTwo> then mount the partition & go into it
[22:20] <seriema> wait, mount the partition? I already have the files from you? all I need to do is tar it?
[22:20] <seriema> or did you mean just boot into raspbian?
[22:21] <AlephTwo> boot into raspbian and examine the retropie partition from there
[22:21] <seriema> ok, gonna copy over the file you sent
[22:21] <AlephTwo> mount it in /mnt for example
[22:21] <seriema> wait, mount again? no I just want to unzip and then tar?
[22:21] <AlephTwo> If you have retro in a partition, and can boot from raspbian, then you don't need to
[22:21] <seriema> the raspbian installation works fine
[22:21] <AlephTwo> If you really want, boot into raspbian, ssh the files over to it, and do the tar from there
[22:22] <AlephTwo> But, I'm betting that it's as simple as removing that dot file from the (/mnt/)/lib/lsb/init-functions.d folder
[22:22] <seriema> meh
[22:23] <AlephTwo> and then checking perms on the (/mnt)/dev/vchiq to ensure root.video
[22:23] <AlephTwo> OR... Just mount the partition from the raspbian and then untar the files directly in (after cleaning the mounted partition first, that is)
[22:23] <seriema> btw, any idea how to get the partitions to have better names than BOOT and BOOT0 ?
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[22:24] <AlephTwo> sudo fdisk /dev/mmcblk0px where x=partition
[22:24] <seriema> I don't want to only fix my install, I want to make a NOOB installer that works =)
[22:24] <AlephTwo> kk. do it all from the raspbian to ensure happiness
[22:24] <seriema> hehe
[22:25] <seriema> hm I can't just copy files over to the sd can I? =/
[22:25] <seriema> by plugging it into my mac
[22:25] * veonik is now known as veonik_
[22:25] <Froolap> only if you are very special
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[22:26] <AlephTwo> Yes. Open the tar file in a graphical thing and then extract directly into the mounted partition (but it may not help, as Mac + mounted drives...)
[22:26] <AlephTwo> Install a linux VM and do it from there?
[22:26] <seriema> ... I'm plugging the sd back into the rpi and ssh over the files
[22:26] <AlephTwo> That would be my preferred method
[22:26] <seriema> then it's my preferred too
[22:27] <AlephTwo> To change label: sudo fdisk /dev/mmcblk0px where x is the partition #, then b to edit the bsd label. "?" for commands
[22:27] * Froolap crosses his eyes
[22:27] <seriema> anyone familiar with NOOB and the preferenses.json? I'm wondering how "bad" it would be for the partition called "boot" for my retropie could be called something else. I've got two BOOT partitions which is kinda weird
[22:27] <AlephTwo> Froolap: You have a Mac?
[22:27] <AlephTwo> Label one as retro
[22:27] <Froolap> nope, but I don't think you two are on the same page.
[22:27] <AlephTwo> hehe
[22:28] <AlephTwo> He's trying to build a custom Noobs installer, but his mac keeps putting hidden files everywhere
[22:28] <AlephTwo> So he has to edit the filesystem outside of the mac environment
[22:28] <AlephTwo> I keep trying to suggest two sd cards, but he's stubborn :P
[22:29] <Froolap> yeah..... but your comment about your prefered method...... his reply of then it's my perfered method...... I'm not certain you both have the same method in mind.... but don't let me interfere..... carry on
[22:29] <seriema> ssh over the files = preferred
[22:30] <AlephTwo> hehe. I'm hoping that scp this_file.tar pi@192.168.10.x:/home/pi will be the method :)
[22:30] <seriema> well the thing is AlephTwo, if I just installed retropie on an sd card then I would already be playing all the games. and where's the fun in that?!
[22:30] <AlephTwo> True.
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[22:32] <seriema> btw, do you know why I have to install my usb dongles firmware? it's on that list of tested/supported dongles and is meant to work out of the box
[22:32] <seriema> with this `sudo wget -O /lib/firmware/rtlwifi/rtl8188eufw.bin https://github.com/OpenELEC/wlan-firmware/blob/master/firmware/rtlwifi/rtl8188eufw.bin?raw=true`
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[22:32] <AlephTwo> Maybe it's only tested with that firmware update?
[22:33] <osxyer> damn
[22:33] <osxyer> I dont have a microsd
[22:33] <osxyer> I just received my rp2
[22:33] <osxyer> :(
[22:33] <AlephTwo> You have an sd and some scissors? (joke!!!)
[22:34] <seriema> lol
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[22:34] <AlephTwo> But if you were feeling creative, you "could" shim something together with paper card, foil tape and an sd card.
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[22:34] <seriema> AlephTwo: the command you posted above, is that the right path? the /home/pi part?
[22:34] <AlephTwo> wherever your pi has it's ip
[22:34] <AlephTwo> but yes
[22:34] <seriema> yes ofc
[22:35] <AlephTwo> (unless you have a different user, not named pi)
[22:35] <seriema> it's transferring
[22:35] <seriema> I hope it's not using the RSS feed, those can be hacked by aliens
[22:35] * seriema made an obscure Man of Steel reference
[22:35] <AlephTwo> I may have to disassemble an old playstation controller for the joystick when my new servos arrive
[22:36] <AlephTwo> Those aliens and their rss
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[22:37] <seriema> http://gizmodo.com/dumb-out-of-context-man-of-steel-quote-513477610
[22:38] <AlephTwo> Hmm. bored. I could hook another arduino up to my rfid reader and do some serialz, I suppose
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[22:38] <AlephTwo> I have a spare pi sat here and no wifi dongles to connect to it :(
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[22:39] <seriema> how would I remote to my rpi from work?
[22:39] <mete> ssh?
[22:39] <seriema> I opened up a connection to my computer in like 2001 and it got bombarded by attacks and viruses. haven't tried since...
[22:39] <AlephTwo> you would need to open a port to it from your router
[22:39] <McBride36> just don't have a password as 12345
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[22:40] <seriema> McBride36: worse, I had Windows
[22:40] <AlephTwo> Open up a high port and send it to your pi's ssh. Then use noip.com or whatever to find it.
[22:40] <AlephTwo> Use ssh-copy-id to get your keys swapped over, then you can do passwordless ssh to/from
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[22:42] <seriema> I don't mind typing my password in the prompt, but I should probably not use the default rpi ones heh
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[22:43] <seriema> AlephTwo: `tar jxf retropie_folder.tar.bz2 ` is what I want to run, right?
[22:43] <AlephTwo> Indeed. make them long and make them strong
[22:43] <AlephTwo> yup
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[22:47] <seriema> oh lol.... "Cannot mkdir: No space left on device"
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[22:49] <AlephTwo> ah yes. Noobs minimises the filesystem :)
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[22:49] <AlephTwo> hehehe
[22:49] <seriema> time for Plan B-final-update-final-final
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[22:49] <AlephTwo> part two?
[22:49] <seriema> virtualbox, is that the recommended thing for a linux vm on mac? because, Oracle... ew
[22:50] <AlephTwo> Has anybody hooked up a funduino rfid directly to a pi?
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[22:50] <AlephTwo> I know, but it's ok for an oracle-crap-fest
[22:50] <seriema> ok
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[22:51] <AlephTwo> Drop a standard mint or something into it
[22:51] <seriema> and then what linux distro? do I just type "linux" and hit the "Feeling lucky" button on google? I've always wanted to use it for something...
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[22:51] <AlephTwo> hehe. You could. Easiest two are Linux Mint and Ubuntu. Better, but harder to setup is Debian
[22:52] <AlephTwo> then you could go arse-deep into arch or slackware, but whatever level you want :)
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[22:53] <seriema> oh yeah, I have Parallels. it seems to have a quick way for debian
[22:54] <seriema> woho it's downloading
[22:54] <seriema> 7 hours remaining...
[22:54] <AlephTwo> tum-te-tum...
[22:54] * AlephTwo whistles, tunelessly
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[22:56] <seriema> well might as well try and delete those files manually in the meantime
[22:56] <seriema> the setup/config/whatever they were called
[22:57] <AlephTwo> Indeed. If you were feeling brave, you could actually (from a Mac terminal) untar the file directly over ssh into the currently mounted filesystem in raspbian :)
[22:57] <AlephTwo> Not at all a dubious proposition
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[22:58] <seriema> maybe another day =P
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[22:58] <seriema> I'm in retropie, or what's left of it. just do rm /lib/lsb/init-functions.d/._* ?
[22:59] <AlephTwo> Hmm. That looks suspiciously like a regex
[22:59] <AlephTwo> I wouldn't
[22:59] <AlephTwo> I'd cd directly into the directory and then ls -lha
[22:59] <seriema> no just a wildcard?
[22:59] <AlephTwo> then rm ._<tab to autofill> should select the stuff
[23:00] <seriema> oki
[23:00] <AlephTwo> if there's more than one
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[23:00] <Encrypt> Hum
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[23:00] <Encrypt> The regexp looks good
[23:01] <Encrypt> Only '*' and '?' are jokers
[23:01] <AlephTwo> my regex-fu is poor. I wouldn't recommend anything that I'm not actively doing myself
[23:01] <Encrypt> If I'm not mistaking...
[23:01] <seriema> permission denied :(
[23:01] <AlephTwo> sudo rm........
[23:02] <seriema> sudo doesn't work remember...
[23:02] <seriema> uid is not 0 blabla
[23:02] <AlephTwo> you're in raspbian. SHould be good
[23:02] <Encrypt> seWhat do you want to do?
[23:02] <AlephTwo> If you can do sudo -s
[23:02] <seriema> ehm, no I'm not :D
[23:02] <AlephTwo> then you're ok
[23:02] <Encrypt> seriema, *
[23:02] <seriema> I'm in retropie
[23:02] <AlephTwo> ah.
[23:02] <AlephTwo> try sudo -s
[23:03] <seriema> "is sudo installed setuid root?"
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[23:03] <seriema> bla I'll just boot into raspbian
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[23:03] <seriema> Encrypt: I'm trying to get both respbian and retropie to work, installable from NOOB, and dual boot on the same sd card
[23:03] <AlephTwo> That's what I said, as opposed to removing from a live system :P
[23:03] <Encrypt> Ok
[23:03] <AlephTwo> His mac was interfering with his custom install procedure by writing ._crap files everywhere
[23:04] <AlephTwo> especially in init-functions.d and who knows elsewhere
[23:04] <Encrypt> >Mac
[23:04] <Encrypt> :D
[23:05] <AlephTwo> So I've been trying to persuade him to do it all from the working raspbian partition and *cough* not *cough* the broken retropie
[23:05] <seriema> well that's where the files were =P
[23:05] <seriema> I don't like all the weird mounting stuff
[23:05] <AlephTwo> I told you, you can mount the retropie partition from the raspbian
[23:05] <seriema> yeah and it sounded scary =D
[23:05] <AlephTwo> i.e. (as pi, from /home/pi, or ~) mkdir mnt
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[23:06] <AlephTwo> then sudo mount /dev/mmcblkp0x (where x=partition of interest) mnt
[23:06] <AlephTwo> then do your stuff :)
[23:06] <AlephTwo> it's that easy
[23:07] <AlephTwo> Ensure you don't mount the same partition twice by before hand doing something like df to see what's mounted and where
[23:07] <seriema> how did I see the mountable things again?
[23:07] <AlephTwo> df
[23:07] <AlephTwo> to see what partitions are on the sd card: ls /dev/mmcblkop*
[23:07] <AlephTwo> to see what partitions are on the sd card: ls /dev/mmcblk0p*
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[23:07] <seriema> there's 8 of those =/
[23:07] <ShorTie> fdisk -l
[23:08] <seriema> ShorTie: nothing happened
[23:08] <ShorTie> interest
[23:08] <AlephTwo> seriema: df
[23:08] <AlephTwo> will tell you what's mounted
[23:08] <seriema> AlephTwo: this is the only mm* : /dev/mmcblk0p5 61302 19178 42124 32% /boot
[23:09] <AlephTwo> So you know that is mounted
[23:09] <AlephTwo> if you do ls /dev/mmcblk*
[23:09] <seriema> then I get 8 of them
[23:09] <seriema> /dev/mmcblk0p1 /dev/mmcblk0p2 /dev/mmcblk0p3 /dev/mmcblk0p5 /dev/mmcblk0p6 /dev/mmcblk0p7 /dev/mmcblk0p8
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[23:09] <AlephTwo> sudo fdisk -l
[23:09] <AlephTwo> Tells you what type they all are
[23:10] <seriema> 3 fat16, 3 linux, 1 linux extended
[23:11] <AlephTwo> So, one of the 3 linux partitions. One of them will be mounted on /boot so your targets are the other two
[23:11] <seriema> the boot one is the fat16
[23:11] <AlephTwo> that's mounted on the fat16?
[23:11] <AlephTwo> kk
[23:11] <seriema> /dev/mmcblk0p5 2531328 2654207 61440 c W95 FAT32 (LBA)
[23:12] <seriema> output of sudo fdisk -l: https://gist.github.com/anonymous/a155fa6af39a8e0b3c35
[23:13] <AlephTwo> so go though the ones which say linux (0p3, 0p6 and 0p8). My word, what a busy sd card
[23:13] <Encrypt> sudo blkid
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[23:13] <Encrypt> Masterace \o/
[23:13] <Encrypt> :D
[23:13] <ShorTie> is this noobs ??
[23:14] <AlephTwo> blkid doesn't help him yet. He has to figure out which partition on his busy sd card he wants.
[23:14] <seriema> ShorTie: one day, yes... I'm creating a NOOBs installer for RetroPie, and trying to get it and raspbian to dual boot in the end
[23:14] <AlephTwo> Is it the biggest partition?
[23:14] <AlephTwo> That is 0p3
[23:14] <seriema> yeah most likely
[23:14] <seriema> I asked for 55gb for the retropie
[23:14] <ShorTie> noobs is a partition happy thing
[23:14] <AlephTwo> so go examine that one
[23:15] <seriema> how did I do that again?.. *sorry*
[23:15] <seriema> mount /dev... place ?
[23:15] <AlephTwo> sudo mount /dev/mmcblk0p3 /home/pi/mnt (assuming you have made the /home/pi/mnt folder )
[23:15] <seriema> done
[23:15] <seriema> yeah I had created the mnt folder
[23:15] <AlephTwo> cd into it
[23:15] <seriema> yes
[23:16] <seriema> ls: cache installed_os.json lost+found noobs.conf
[23:16] <AlephTwo> go look in the lib/lsb/init-functions.d
[23:16] <AlephTwo> ls -lah
[23:16] <seriema> -bash: cd: lib/lsb: No such file or directory
[23:16] <AlephTwo> Should be ONE file
[23:16] <AlephTwo> You are in the mnt directory?
[23:16] <seriema> pi@raspberrypi ~/mnt $ cd lib/lsb
[23:17] <AlephTwo> then there is a serious problem :P
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[23:17] <ShorTie> format c:
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[23:17] <seriema> maybe we mounted the wrong thing?
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[23:17] <ahop> Hi!
[23:17] <AlephTwo> You *could* just remove the entire contents of the partition and then ssh the file from the mac into it
[23:17] <AlephTwo> o/
[23:17] <seriema> ahop: go away, I'm keeping everyone busy here :P
[23:17] <ahop> Possible to use a USB hub on RPi?
[23:17] <ahop> seriema :D
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[23:18] <ahop> what are you doing?
[23:18] <ShorTie> sure, helps if it is powered though
[23:18] <AlephTwo> So, from your mac terminal, you could do: ssh name_of_file_again.tar.bz2 pi@192.168.10.xx:/home/pi/mnt/
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[23:18] <seriema> I mounted nr 6 and ls gave this: bin boot dev etc home lib lost+found media mnt opt proc root run sbin selinux srv sys tmp usr var
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[23:18] <AlephTwo> as you have mounted a 64gig partition there
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[23:18] <seriema> ah
[23:19] <seriema> hm
[23:19] <seriema> ok
[23:19] <AlephTwo> So go examine the lib/lsb
[23:19] <ahop> ShorTie: ok so it works with a hub? cool
[23:20] <AlephTwo> seriema: ls -lah mnt/lib/lsb/init-functions.d or whatever
[23:20] <seriema> cant find the file =/ https://gist.github.com/anonymous/64b0c29daf08ad275926
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[23:20] <AlephTwo> then that's possibly not the issue
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[23:20] <AlephTwo> or it's the wrong partition
[23:20] <niston`voyage> Encapsulation: sup dude
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[23:20] <niston`voyage> got the isolator board? :>
[23:21] <AlephTwo> afk (need narcotics)
[23:21] <ahop> seriema, sorry I'm a bit late, what do you want to do?
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[23:21] <seriema> AlephTwo: wrong partition, I added the nr 8 now and found the ._ file!
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[23:21] <seriema> ahop: same thing I want every night Pinky
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[23:21] <seriema> ahop: dual boot retropie and raspbian! and rule the world ofc...
[23:21] <ahop> what? :)
[23:21] <ahop> oh ok
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[23:22] <seriema> AlephTwo: ok I got that file removed... I might as well do the mount trick thing to use the big partition to unzip that file
[23:22] <ahop> why dual boot and not 2 SD cards (one for each) ? sorry this question doesn't help ;)
[23:23] <seriema> ahop: don't question me!
[23:23] <ahop> :D
[23:23] <Froolap> dual boot? what are you using for a boot manager?
[23:23] <ahop> Have you tried with 4 partitions:
[23:23] <ahop> mmcblk0p1 BOOT RASPBIAN / mmcblk0p2 ROOT RASPBIAN / mmcblk0p3 BOOT RETROPIE / mmcblk0p4 ROOT RETROPIE
[23:23] <seriema> ahop: naw, just to mess around mostly I guess. in the end I'll have retropie running on it's on rpi. but for now I want to have a safe dev environment and retropie, and hide the rpi somewhere (so switchin SD cards would be a pain)
[23:24] <seriema> Froolap: NOOBs
[23:24] <ahop> and then you change the "boot flag" with fdisk to alternate between both
[23:24] <Froolap> piffel
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[23:24] <seriema> ahop: ehm, I have not tried that but not sure how to or what the difference is =) I kinda thought NOOBs was cute
[23:24] <mrclfdz> hey fellas, is there a way to add fonts to raspberry pi? my mkvs with external subtitles won't play with the fonts I want it to
[23:25] <ahop> seriema: with 4 partitions (each distrib needs 2 partition : BOOT and ROOT)
[23:25] <ahop> it surely will work
[23:25] <ahop> quite easily
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[23:25] <seriema> ahop: but will it run NOOBS? =P
[23:25] <seriema> kinda want to package this for other noobies like me
[23:25] <ahop> seriema: never tried NOOBS, not even once
[23:25] <ShorTie> boot flag means nothing to a pi
[23:26] <ahop> ShorTie: oh ok, I thought it was useful
[23:26] <mrclfdz> hello, any idea how to fix this issue?
[23:26] <ahop> ShorTie: you *did* set the boot flag here: https://github.com/ShorTie8/my_pi_os/blob/master/my_pi_os.sh#L332
[23:26] <ahop> ;)
[23:27] <ShorTie> ya, for force of habbit i guess
[23:27] <Froolap> I just need something that will change the root mount point in cmdline.txt
[23:27] <ShorTie> nano
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[23:28] <Froolap> i would prefer not to have to write to the card.... be nice if it was a variable that I could choose at boot time.
[23:28] <AlephTwo> some bash scripting to automate it. I'm sure something with the word sed in it would do the trick
[23:29] <ahop> AlephTwo +1
[23:29] <AlephTwo> Then you could set it before reboot
[23:29] <Froolap> yup, which requires using up the write cycles of the sd
[23:30] <AlephTwo> Yeah, but with 100K write cycles or w/e, it should be good for a few reboots into different partitions
[23:30] <AlephTwo> You'd be good for 24 reboots a day for quite a few years
[23:30] <Froolap> just so I can change sda1 into sda?
[23:30] <AlephTwo> on the pi?
[23:31] <Froolap> yup
[23:31] <AlephTwo> You are booting from usb drive?
[23:31] <Froolap> yup
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[23:31] <AlephTwo> if sda is your partition then yes
[23:31] <Froolap> save the sd card write cycles
[23:31] <AlephTwo> but if sda1 is your partition, then no
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[23:31] <AlephTwo> I think you'll exceed the card capacity and move on well before you hit cycle limit
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[23:32] <niston`voyage> x<l$ ml<
[23:32] <Froolap> I made several partitions on sda and then copied / into each of them........
[23:32] <ShorTie> isn't sda a device which needs a partition that leads to sda1 ??
[23:32] <AlephTwo> So you have multiple versions of the same os
[23:32] <AlephTwo> ShorTie: Usually
[23:33] <AlephTwo> but I think you can format the entire thing as one partition and mount directly. I seem to recall doing similar in the past
[23:33] <Froolap> yeah, so I have sda1 sda2 sda3 sda4(extended) and sda5
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[23:33] <AlephTwo> So change boot to /dev/sdax where x is your preferred root partition
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[23:34] <AlephTwo> Unless you are getting complicated and want to fire up grub from the hard drive. Don't know if that will work
[23:34] <Froolap> yeah, the point is to not have to use a write cycle and have a menu at boot time to set sda? where ? = 1,2,3,5
[23:34] <AlephTwo> Then you'll need some sort of kernel or grub working at boot. I think the cmdline.txt won't help
[23:35] <Froolap> be nice if there was a lilo or grub or some such for the pi to do that.
[23:35] <ShorTie> about the only bootloader is noobs anymore i think
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[23:35] <AlephTwo> Unless you have a script which either changes a symlink to cmdline.txt, rewrites them or w/e
[23:35] <AlephTwo> Is there grub for arm?
[23:35] <AlephTwo> If so, you could maybe point noobs at it? Just guessing though.
[23:35] <ShorTie> beeryboot is undeveloped any more
[23:35] <AlephTwo> so no
[23:35] <ShorTie> nop, no grub for pi
[23:36] <AlephTwo> You're stuck with noobs and changing cmdline.txt
[23:36] <AlephTwo> either with sed or with just renaming files
[23:36] <AlephTwo> That being said. I haven't looked at noobs for selecting boots
[23:36] <Froolap> naw, don't need noobs, just change cmdline.txt and then I can use a 50 meg sd card.
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[23:37] <ShorTie> hmmm, never heard of a 50meg sdcard
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[23:37] <Froolap> so I might have to use something bigger, just only need the 50 megs. lol
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[23:38] <ShorTie> have you actually worn out a sdcard by writing to much to it ??
[23:38] <Froolap> yes I have
[23:39] <ShorTie> interesting
[23:39] <AlephTwo> Froolap: the os boot selector in noobs apparently does allow multiboot. Some slight tweaking of the code may be able to scan /sd* also. Who knows...
[23:39] <Froolap> I've had to replace 2 now.
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[23:40] <AlephTwo> How to bypass the Recovery splashscreen and boot directly into a fixed partition:
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[23:40] <AlephTwo> Add a text file named autoboot.txt to the root directory of NOOBS.
[23:40] <AlephTwo> Add boot_partition=<partition number> to the file and save it to disk.
[23:40] <AlephTwo> ...maybe...
[23:41] <seriema> Froolap: how do you do that?.. wear out sd cards like that?
[23:41] <AlephTwo> Filling them up with video would be one way
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[23:42] <AlephTwo> cctv > sdcard on a loop
[23:42] <Froolap> boils down to the same thing as gavinf cmdline.sda1 cmdline.sda2 etc and then a cp cmdline.sda? cmdline.txt
[23:43] <AlephTwo> You are trying to do what seriema is trying to do (sort of). Have multiple boot options at start.
[23:43] <Froolap> watching ip cams where the web browser decides it needs to create a temp file for each frame sent.
[23:43] <seriema> I think running tar with the v option was a mistake...
[23:43] <AlephTwo> Froolap: Must be a better way
[23:43] <AlephTwo> seriema: It just tells you everything it's doing
[23:43] <AlephTwo> v=verbose
[23:43] <seriema> yepp
[23:43] <AlephTwo> so you know it's working
[23:43] <seriema> which seems pretty slow
[23:44] <AlephTwo> Just big files and sd copy
[23:44] <seriema> because I'm still unpacking that tar.bz2
[23:44] <AlephTwo> so, yes. Slow
[23:44] <AlephTwo> Froolap: You could use SimpleCV to pull the webcam images in over the network & display them in a window. You can then do processing, sidebyside, whatever
[23:44] <Froolap> I didn't realize firefox was doing that till it usedup the write cycles and the error scrolled across my screen before the filesystem was completely corrupted
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[23:45] <AlephTwo> It's pulling as a mjpg picture stream
[23:45] <AlephTwo> So, yes. You'd be better off using something which isn't the browser :)
[23:46] <AlephTwo> You have the pi hooked up to a tv/monitor?
[23:46] <Froolap> I have it hooked up to kvm
[23:47] <AlephTwo> So if you are prepared for net-frame rate, you could use SimpleCV (or OpenCV) to pull the streams together.
[23:47] <AlephTwo> Write them where you want.
[23:47] <AlephTwo> Alternatively, you could mount your home directory on the hard drive and then let firefox run wild :)
[23:47] <AlephTwo> Just a quick fstab edit then.
[23:47] <Froolap> problem seems to be /temp and swap
[23:48] <AlephTwo> Do the same
[23:48] <AlephTwo> make partitions on the hard drive for /tmp and swap
[23:48] <AlephTwo> add to fstab
[23:48] <AlephTwo> jobs done. No need for dual boot or other shenannigans
[23:48] <Froolap> I just mount / and swap on the hard drive and make copies to the hard drive for version control
[23:49] <Froolap> then I only need the sd at boot time
[23:49] <AlephTwo> Have a /tmp mounted there also to save write cycles
[23:49] <AlephTwo> You can do that I suppose.
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[23:49] <AlephTwo> But may need more messing with config.txt etc. than I would be happy with.
[23:50] <AlephTwo> I have a big external hd on one of mine ready to store my video captures when I get started
[23:50] <Froolap> don't need to touch config.txt just change one character in cmdline.txt
[23:50] <AlephTwo> that's the one I meant
[23:50] <AlephTwo> Does it work?
[23:50] <Froolap> yup
[23:50] <AlephTwo> kwl
[23:51] <doomlord> seems the model B+ is £16, model A+ is £15.50.
[23:51] <seriema> FINALLy untarred... now to tar it again. lol
[23:51] <AlephTwo> hehe
[23:51] <doomlord> might aswell grab 2x B+ to drive those cameras
[23:51] <Ryccardo> doomlord: whoa, nice deal
[23:51] <Froolap> just set cmdline.txt to point to the partition you want to mount as / and then for each partition edit /etc/fstab so that it agrees to mount / as the same drive as cmdline.txt
[23:52] <Ryccardo> ↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑
[23:52] <Froolap> best to use uuid in /etc/fstab
[23:52] <doomlord> perhaps the A+ is a little smaller giving it some value that means they dont offload them even cheaper
[23:52] <doomlord> smaller/lower-power
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[23:53] <AlephTwo> Didn't the Pi2 come out at the original price of the PiB+?
[23:53] <Ryccardo> officially, yes
[23:54] <Ryccardo> if you mean the average retailer in Italy...
[23:54] <AlephTwo> So, those guys can't drop old stock any lower without making a loss, probably
[23:54] <doomlord> maybe i should just scour ebay
[23:55] <AlephTwo> 2 cameras on a pi computing module... hmmmm
[23:55] <Froolap> buy them used. just make sure they didn't let the smoke out.
[23:55] <Ryccardo> I would have almost given away my original B if my 2 worked
[23:56] <boxmein> ohai
[23:56] <doomlord> the cameras are out of stock at the minute
[23:56] <Froolap> hot did you break your rpi2b?
[23:56] <boxmein> won a contest today, got a pi 2b I think
[23:56] <boxmein> yea 2b
[23:56] <doomlord> looking at ebay, £16 for a B+ is still a great price
[23:57] <AlephTwo> doomlord: dx or ebay for many modules
[23:57] <boxmein> with a "starter kit" that includes a 30cm ethernet cable, hdmi / power cables, NOOBS and a case for a raspi 1b
[23:57] <boxmein> my issue is that I live in two places, one of which doesn't have a wifi-y connection
[23:57] <AlephTwo> Go check out the camera modules on ebay
[23:57] <Ryccardo> Froolap: no idea, has SD light always on whether it's inserted or not, nothing on hdmi for over a minute
[23:57] <boxmein> I tried doing ether crossover on the rpi to a windows laptop but I couldn't figure it out
[23:58] <boxmein> any way I can set it up headlessly?
[23:58] <boxmein> well, all I need is a way to ssh/vnc in
[23:58] <AlephTwo> boxmein: You could go in over the serial connection
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[23:59] <Froolap> Ryccardo: I have seen some images that take 5 minutes of nothing on screen during first boot and then suddenly it works and after that boots faster....

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