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IRC Log for 2015-06-02

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[0:00] <Ryccardo> but the led would flash with disk access, then...
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[0:00] <Ryccardo> doesn't even get hot
[0:00] <boxmein> AlephTwo: intriguing
[0:00] <[Saint]> Nor should it.
[0:01] <boxmein> AlephTwo: where do I find it on the board? also how does it even connect
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[0:01] <boxmein> AlephTwo: also sorry for being a bother beforehand :P
[0:01] <Froolap> i dunno, it seemed to me at the time that something was wrong..... i was about to give up when someone at the door got my attention and when I returned I was booted.
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[0:01] <AlephTwo> boxmein: https://learn.adafruit.com/downloads/pdf/adafruits-raspberry-pi-lesson-5-using-a-console-cable.pdf maybe
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[0:02] <[Saint]> boxmein: to answer your question directly - yes.
[0:02] <AlephTwo> looks like a good tutorial for that. Also I think it has direct network connection tutorial
[0:02] <[Saint]> sshd is up by default and you will be able to access the pi over USB from the very first boot with zero configuration.
[0:02] <[Saint]> boxmein: ^
[0:03] <[Saint]> errrr...whoops/
[0:03] <[Saint]> s/USB/ssh/
[0:03] <boxmein> [Saint]: yay!
[0:03] <boxmein> [Saint]: now, can I do it without having access to a wifi/ethernet router
[0:03] <boxmein> well I can bring a wifi router to town#2 but it won't have any internet connectivity
[0:03] <[Saint]> Yes.
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[0:05] <AlephTwo> boxmein: You could install pwnpi and have fun looking at other networks (or something) whilst you don't have one :)
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[0:05] <AlephTwo> ...for research purposes only...
[0:05] <boxmein> haha
[0:05] <boxmein> I think I got it stuck in the case
[0:06] * Ryccardo heh, that time I was waiting at Heathrow and successfully screwed around with Kismet
[0:06] <boxmein> AlephTwo: true
[0:06] <[Saint]> that would requirte wireless connectivity which as stated is not presently an option.
[0:06] <boxmein> buggers didn't include a wifi thing
[0:06] <boxmein> how expensive is a wifi thing
[0:06] <[Saint]> ~$15
[0:06] <Froolap> 10 to 50
[0:06] <AlephTwo> from about $5 to about %25
[0:06] <AlephTwo> $25
[0:07] <[Saint]> Pro-Tip: Do NOT buy the absurdly cheap ones.
[0:07] <[Saint]> You WILL regret it.
[0:07] <Ryccardo> best option, an atheros ath9k such as the tp-link 722, 13 €
[0:07] <[Saint]> Nah.
[0:07] <Froolap> http://www.amazon.com/Edimax-EW-7811Un-150Mbps-Raspberry-Supports/dp/B003MTTJOY/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1433196417&sr=8-1&keywords=edimax
[0:07] <[Saint]> TP-Link TL-WN7275N
[0:07] <[Saint]> Can't beat 'em.
[0:08] <[Saint]> Cheap, fast, reliable.
[0:08] <[Saint]> and "just works" out of the box.
[0:08] <[Saint]> Unlike a plethora of other WiFi nano-dongles.
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[0:08] <Froolap> the edimax works well on all my pi, the only problem I have is they are so tiny that they are easy to lose.
[0:08] <Ryccardo> yeah, key word being Atheros ath9k
[0:09] <schuc> Hi all. I've been scratching my head over an issue I'm having with a Digital Photo frame project. Should I just ask away or wait for a break in the current conversations?
[0:09] <boxmein> [Saint]: does the atheros allow monitormode too?
[0:09] <boxmein> also the rpi team made a silly mistake by not naming the raspberry pi 2 to the raspberry tau
[0:09] <[Saint]> ...we've told 'em.
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[0:09] <[Saint]> They disagree, for, $reasons.
[0:10] <Ryccardo> boxmein: ath9k has basically every wireless feature you can think of
[0:10] <Froolap> schuc: ask
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[0:10] <schuc> ok, thanks Froolap
[0:10] <schuc> Environment: LCD Monitor connected to a video controller board connected to raspi via HDMI. I am trying to use a physical pushbutton to safely reboot the pi when pressed. Python script has been written for this and seems to work ok. Also using an external motion sensor(Westek MLC12BC-4 Indoor Plug-In Corded Motion Activated: http://amzn.to/1AJF7i2). The motion detector simply cuts power to wha
[0:10] <schuc> tever is plugged into it after one minute. When motion is detected, it gives power. The video controller card is connected to this in order to turn off the display when no one is in the room.
[0:11] <schuc> The problem is that when motion is detected and the video controller gets power, it somehow is triggering a button press and my program takes over and reboots. The video controller is connected to the raspi only via an HDMI cable. How is this triggering a button press?? ..I appreciate any input/thoughts on this.
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[0:12] <AlephTwo> boxmein: http://elinux.org/RPi_Serial_Connection
[0:13] <[Saint]> Why bother with serial (which frankly sucks) when we know he has eth?
[0:13] <[Saint]> That's...nuts.
[0:13] <AlephTwo> He was interested
[0:13] <[Saint]> (sorry, but, it is)
[0:14] <[Saint]> AlephTwo: I believe that interest peaked when I asserted that sshd is up by default and he can just ssh into the thing from boot with zero configuration
[0:14] <AlephTwo> hehe
[0:14] <boxmein> AlephTwo: thanks, I think I'll just go for basic wired eth over that wifi router with no purpose
[0:15] <AlephTwo> That is a good idea.
[0:15] <Ryccardo> schuc: I would be thinking of CEC, but I seriously doubt it can generate a GPIO (and I also doubt a command is sent when the monitor just loses power)... tried adding a "hold half a second" delay to the poweroff script? might be just RF noise being caught by the wire and bad luck
[0:15] <AlephTwo> I'd only recommend serial for fun or some esoteric reason
[0:15] <boxmein> I wanted to try crossover eth but windows didn't like it
[0:15] <boxmein> true
[0:15] <boxmein> the usb connector is hard to obtain tho
[0:15] <boxmein> especially in estonia
[0:15] <boxmein> do y'all even know where estonia is :P
[0:15] <schuc> hmm
[0:15] <schuc> cec?
[0:15] <Ryccardo> yah, only 1 CNG station there
[0:16] <AlephTwo> ah. slightly further north than I thought
[0:16] <[Saint]> Direct connection is a bit weird these days as a lot of info will suggest that a specific crossover patch cable is required for this to function when in reality this hasn't been the case for well over a decade.
[0:16] <[Saint]> Almost two.
[0:16] <Ryccardo> schuc: that feature where your TV remote can control your digital camera/bluray/amplifier connected through hdmi
[0:17] <schuc> Ryccardo, I've done a number of tests. I can consistently let the motion sensor enable/disable power and the reboot happens almost each time. I physically unplugged and reconnected the power cord from the video controller card (10x in a row) and not one trigger/reboot
[0:17] <boxmein> [Saint]: everything implies that crossover cables are a necessity while even the ms knowledge base claims that crossover can be done by the card
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[0:17] <boxmein> [Saint]: however... I couldn't figure out how to crossover a pi and a windows laptop
[0:18] <boxmein> I followed procedure as far as I could for the windows part
[0:18] <schuc> oh.. thanks for explanation on cec Ryccardo
[0:18] <boxmein> but I couldn't figure out a way to make the pi get an IP address
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[0:18] <AlephTwo> schuc: No chance of a surge triggering the switch when you shutdown the monitor?
[0:18] <[Saint]> You just need to give the pi an IP and the correct gateway, and just plug in the ethernet cable between the two.
[0:18] <Ryccardo> schuc: might be rf noise then, many dimmers and similiar cheap home electronics are poor at this
[0:18] <[Saint]> The work of a crossover cable has been done in software for the better part of 15 years.
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[0:19] <schuc> AlephTwo, I'm thinking somehow that is exactly what's going on. but I don't see how the motion sensor is consistently triggering pin 23 when it restores power
[0:19] <Ryccardo> boxmein: you could run a DHCP server on your computer... or bruteforce all 169.whatever.*.* IPs :p
[0:19] <linuxthefish> where can i download kernel version 3.2.27+?
[0:19] <linuxthefish> the one before this
[0:19] <linuxthefish> or before commit 1625539436b4965c445fff708eb28d3d55af7685 !
[0:19] <[Saint]> Ryccardo: no need if its just one machine.
[0:20] <[Saint]> Just assign it an IP manually and put it on the correct gateway.
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[0:20] <Ryccardo> yeah, installing an ext4 driver is probably easier (no joke)
[0:20] <schuc> hmm..ok Ryccardo. I'm trying to think of where how to 'hold half a second'. I already have a debounce of 300 set, but that is only needed for subsequent presses
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[0:20] <AlephTwo> schuc: Check your groundings maybe? Do you have a pulldown resistor on the switch?
[0:21] <schuc> I mean... if it's triggered, it's triggered, right?
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[0:21] <schuc> yes AlephTwo, it's a pulldown
[0:21] <schuc> hang on.. I'll share the script
[0:21] <AlephTwo> afk 3'
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[0:22] <boxmein> Ryccardo: running a dhcp server sounds like a decent idea
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[0:22] <boxmein> [Saint]: is there a specific subnet the windows expects
[0:22] <boxmein> [Saint]: or what does it want from the gateway/netmask even
[0:22] <schuc> AlephTwo, Ryccardo, here is the script: http://pastebin.com/CWK6ift9
[0:22] <[Saint]> It should just be 255.255.255.0 in a standard configuration.
[0:23] <[Saint]> (otherwise known as subnet mask)
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[0:24] <[Saint]> boxmein: see http://carbonstone.blogspot.co.nz/2014/02/connecting-to-pi-from-laptops-ethernet.html
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[0:24] <[Saint]> ignore the ancient Windows version depicted, its all the same.
[0:24] <boxmein> [Saint]: /etc/network/interfaces called it a netmask :p
[0:24] <AlephTwo> schuc: Have you tried changing the pin the switch is on? Could be interference from the hdmi or something?
[0:24] <boxmein> [Saint]: at least it's not CIDR notation, that trips me over all the time
[0:25] <AlephTwo> The code is simple enough and looks fine.
[0:25] <Ryccardo> boxmein: +++++++
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[0:25] <schuc> yea, regarding the script, I agree.. Small and pretty simple
[0:25] <schuc> no, I have not changed the pin. Happy to try that
[0:26] <AlephTwo> also try just printing out when it's called instead of shutting down (or saving to a logfile) to see exactly when it's happening
[0:26] <schuc> the HDMI cable seems good quality... let me look closer at that too. Maybe I should swap out the hdmi cable too
[0:26] <[Saint]> boxmein: if you follow the post linked above, you'll have an ssh ethernet direct connection running in no time.
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[0:26] <[Saint]> There's a bunch of posts out there that make this process needlessly complicated and make ridiculous claims.
[0:27] <schuc> lol... yes AlephTwo, I have already done that. Now I am just tailing a file that echo's the date/time when the "button is pressed"
[0:27] <[Saint]> Don't buy into that batcrap.
[0:27] <schuc> I'll try the hdmi cable first
[0:27] <AlephTwo> schuc: Does it get called when the hdmi shuts down or when it powers up?
[0:27] <Ryccardo> [Saint]: ++++
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[0:28] <boxmein> [Saint]: added a geofenced reminder, I'll mess about when I get to my non-wifi-enabled place
[0:28] <AlephTwo> also, thanks for the code. I was going to look that up one day :)
[0:28] <[Saint]> boxmein: let me know (highlight me) if you get stuck or have any issues or further queries.
[0:28] <boxmein> [Saint]: tomorrow, then :P
[0:28] <[Saint]> Not a problem my man.
[0:28] <boxmein> [Saint]: late at night it is here in estonialand
[0:28] <boxmein> [Saint]: you're great :D
[0:28] <AlephTwo> ditto in the med
[0:29] <[Saint]> That's OK, it is tomorrow here.
[0:29] <[Saint]> ;))
[0:29] <AlephTwo> avrio
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[0:29] <[Saint]> I live in the future.
[0:29] <AlephTwo> 01:30
[0:29] <[Saint]> I'll sell you today's lottery numbers for a nominal fee.
[0:29] <AlephTwo> and still awake
[0:29] <AlephTwo> [Saint]: Can you sell me tomorrows?
[0:29] <[Saint]> Yes!
[0:30] <[Saint]> My today *is* your tomorrow!
[0:30] <AlephTwo> Just the first 4 numbers
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[0:30] <boxmein> [Saint]: 0130am
[0:30] <boxmein> [Saint]: tomorrow here too! mwahahahah
[0:30] <AlephTwo> and here. I wanted wednesdays lotto
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[0:30] <schuc> AlephTwo, it's on power UP
[0:30] <[Saint]> saint@morphine:~$ date
[0:30] <[Saint]> Tue Jun 2 10:30:16 NZST 2015
[0:30] <boxmein> [Saint]: I'll sell you tomorrow's lottery numbers, but they are time-locked, they'll open right as the lottery draw happens
[0:30] <boxmein> [Saint]: but you'll have them and that's what's important
[0:31] <[Saint]> :))
[0:31] <FlyingPersian> su
[0:31] <FlyingPersian> p
[0:31] <FlyingPersian> anyone here using ambilight with the PI�
[0:31] <AlephTwo> So it could be something to do with a power surge.
[0:31] <schuc> AlephTwo, were you thanking ME for the code or someone else?
[0:31] <AlephTwo> Could you signal the script to ignore the gpio on hdmi power up
[0:31] <AlephTwo> you
[0:31] <boxmein> FlyingPersian: "PIß" is that intentional :P
[0:31] <AlephTwo> nice and simple example to work from
[0:31] <schuc> ah..lol... you're very welcome
[0:31] <FlyingPersian> � = ? :P
[0:31] <FlyingPersian> @ boxmein
[0:31] <boxmein> FlyingPersian: ß = SS
[0:32] <FlyingPersian> ? = sz
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[0:32] <boxmein> well
[0:32] <boxmein> sz
[0:32] <FlyingPersian> no
[0:32] <FlyingPersian> �
[0:32] <FlyingPersian> xD
[0:32] <boxmein> whatever
[0:32] <FlyingPersian> yeah
[0:32] <[Saint]> No one manages to type ß accidentally, lol.
[0:32] <schuc> yes, that's what I keep thinking too. The power surge of the motion sensor 'clicking' power on. Dunno how that is consistently turning into a button press on pin 23 though. That is very odd to me
[0:32] <boxmein> I've learnded like 5 years of german
[0:32] <FlyingPersian> so was that a "yes" on the ambilight part boxmein ? :P
[0:32] <boxmein> FlyingPersian: lol I have no clue
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[0:33] <FlyingPersian> so no
[0:33] <boxmein> FlyingPersian: I got a pi2 today as an award for a weird cybersec contest
[0:33] <AlephTwo> schuc: You could send a signal to the function which ignores the gpio when power goes on
[0:33] <FlyingPersian> lol nice :D
[0:33] <boxmein> FlyingPersian: first pi I've oned
[0:33] <boxmein> owned*
[0:33] <FlyingPersian> I bought one the other day
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[0:33] <FlyingPersian> and a 2nd one right after :D
[0:33] <boxmein> lol
[0:33] <[Saint]> Mein Gesprachs Deutsch ist nicht sehr gut, aber es ist gut genug. Ich hoffe. Ist es nicht , boxmein ?
[0:33] <boxmein> FlyingPersian: you now have tau
[0:33] <FlyingPersian> but the 2nd one was likr 10�
[0:33] <AlephTwo> boxmein: pwnpi for you then
[0:33] <FlyingPersian> I do boxmein
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[0:34] <FlyingPersian> I'm stuck at the parts I need to buy for the PI
[0:34] <boxmein> [Saint]: es ist ganz genug! ich wollte dass meiner deutsch nicht so viel ...suck-en wird
[0:34] <schuc> AlephTwo, I can? How can I do that? fyi that I'm swapping the hdmi now.. back in a minute
[0:35] <boxmein> ist deutsch die sprache maskulin other feminin oder neutral
[0:35] <[Saint]> Ich studierte grund konversation Deutsch fur ca 2 jahre
[0:36] <[Saint]> Ich bin nicht sehr gut darin obwohl.
[0:36] <FlyingPersian> I feel sorry for you [Saint] :D
[0:36] <[Saint]> Heh.
[0:36] <boxmein> echt habe ich eine zertifikat für deutsch aber es ist für eine schwache stufe (cefr a2)
[0:36] <FlyingPersian> http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/418AvQEYiML._SX300_.jpg <-- does anyone know what these connections in the back are for?
[0:36] <FlyingPersian> GND + 5V?
[0:36] <schuc> AlephTwo, argh.. I swapped out the HDMI and still same results
[0:37] <AlephTwo> Hmm. Where can you get info on the hdmi from proc?
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[0:37] <schuc> funny thing is, I left the rpi on when I changed cables. changing the cable triggered a button press
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[0:37] <AlephTwo> Sounds like a power issue to me
[0:38] <AlephTwo> /proc/device-tree/display/ may have useful info.
[0:38] <boxmein> lol ich werde fast die zweite stufe machen für die cefr c1 aber ich habe es aufgehoben für mehr freizeit
[0:38] <schuc> like surge when you say power?
[0:38] <[Saint]> Also - yes. And I hate it. I absolutely cannot comprehend the idea of gender-specific adjectives and objects.
[0:38] <AlephTwo> having a look now
[0:38] <AlephTwo> yes
[0:38] <boxmein> [Saint]: oh you'd love french
[0:38] <boxmein> [Saint]: one less gender but it's like perl except in human language form
[0:38] <schuc> I am able to pull the barrel power connector from the controller card and it does NOT trigger a button pressare Again... points more to a surge from the motion detector device
[0:39] <[Saint]> French, Spanish, Portuguese/Brasileiro
[0:39] * chod (~chod@toy-town.demon.co.uk) Quit (Remote host closed the connection)
[0:39] <[Saint]> ...why is a table masculine, and a chair feminine, etc.?
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[0:39] <[Saint]> WHo makes up the rules for what gender an inanimate object is?
[0:39] <boxmein> [Saint]: why is a girl neutral
[0:39] <boxmein> [Saint]: das mädchen
[0:40] <boxmein> [Saint]: jesus
[0:40] <boxmein> [Saint]: the rules are made up by someone as arbitrary as literally jesus
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[0:40] <AlephTwo> schuc: lsmod gives what module with hdmi on?
[0:40] <boxmein> [Saint]: i bet jesus laid out the ground object gender rules before dying
[0:41] <AlephTwo> maybe you can monitor for that module being present
[0:41] <AlephTwo> My pi is headless, so can't help
[0:41] <[Saint]> Et non, je ne l'aime pas du tout le français . En fait, vous pourriez dire que je méprise.
[0:41] <Budd> I've had many problems with SD card corruption (even on the RasPi 2) - my guess is that it has to do with voltage issues.
[0:41] <[Saint]> Bien que je suis certainement plus familier avec elle que l'allemand .
[0:42] <[Saint]> l'allemand?
[0:42] <schuc> ismod, huh? I'll take a look
[0:42] <Budd> Are there recommendations for card brands that are resistant to such problems?
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[0:42] <[Saint]> L'allemagne?
[0:42] <[Saint]> Bah.
[0:42] <boxmein> [Saint]: véritablement
[0:42] <[Saint]> ...see, I hate French too. Lol. Can't remember the word for "German"
[0:43] <boxmein> allemagne
[0:43] <boxmein> I think
[0:43] <boxmein> I've had only one year of french
[0:43] <boxmein> ....twie
[0:43] <boxmein> twice*
[0:43] <boxmein> bloody french teachers kept retiring
[0:43] <boxmein> so we got a hot belgian teacher
[0:43] <boxmein> but she left too because she got pregnant
[0:43] <schuc> AlephTwo, looks like I don't have ismod in my environment currently
[0:43] <boxmein> hot belgian teacher taught us year one because she didn't know what the last teacher did
[0:43] <AlephTwo> lsmod
[0:43] <AlephTwo> not ismod
[0:44] <schuc> lol
[0:44] <boxmein> like ls + modules
[0:44] <[Saint]> My French teacher in high school was Afrikaans.
[0:44] <[Saint]> And his accent permiated his French.
[0:44] <[Saint]> As a result, my pronunciation is terrible.
[0:44] <schuc> is the output of it right now useful or does it need to be run at a specific time?
[0:44] <schuc> hdmi is on/active right now, so ok to run it now?
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[0:45] <AlephTwo> yes. See if anything pops up relating to broadcom or hdmi
[0:45] <AlephTwo> video, etc.
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[0:46] <schuc> AlephTwo, here's the output: http://pastebin.com/HipqsSg8
[0:47] <schuc> yes, it has snd_bcm2835 twice
[0:47] <AlephTwo> so. the same modules as mine, even though it's headless.
[0:47] <AlephTwo> Stop the script & power down the hdmi. See if any modules unload
[0:48] <AlephTwo> (do a lsmod again)
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[0:48] <AlephTwo> or maybe tail /var/log/messages after you power down hdmi
[0:48] <AlephTwo> see if anything screen related pops up
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[0:49] <AlephTwo> To me, it sounds like you'll have to monitor your system for the screen being up before sending the command.
[0:49] <schuc> ok.. gotta find out how to power down the hdmi
[0:49] <AlephTwo> That means we need to know where the pi knows about the hdmi
[0:49] <schuc> I see
[0:50] <boxmein> [Saint]: lol the estonian accent isn't much better when you're trying to pronounce letters that are the farthest possible from what you write
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[0:50] <schuc> I also notice (side note but maybe helpful), that I can't just press the button when it's wired up and have it work consistently
[0:50] <boxmein> [Saint]: estonian sucks in that matter as that every letter is phonetical, as in there's only one pronunciation per letter
[0:50] <schuc> sometimes, I can press it 5 times and only 2 presses register
[0:50] <schuc> and I am waiting longer than the debounce
[0:50] <AlephTwo> Could be a ground fault somewhere.
[0:51] <schuc> the only two pins I'm using to go to the switch is 3.3V and pin 23 for input
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[0:53] <schuc> AlephTwo, do you think it's worth changing my script to use another pin for input and try that... this would be saying that the problem is with the physical pin
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[0:58] <AlephTwo> If it works, it suggests interference between that pin and your power cutting doohickey
[0:59] <schuc> ok, gonna try another pin because that'll be quick. Already updated the script
[0:59] <AlephTwo> Do the the system logs say anything when you power up/down the hdmi?
[0:59] <AlephTwo> Can your doohickey signal out?
[1:00] <schuc> I'm sorry AlephTwo... signal out?
[1:00] <AlephTwo> I.e. Send a signal to another GPIO pin, and you monitor that for an override
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[1:00] <AlephTwo> I.e. when it shuts the power to the hdmi or turns the power on to the hdmi. Can you send a signal from it?
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[1:00] <schuc> not that I know of
[1:01] <AlephTwo> It's a black box?
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[1:01] <schuc> on one end, it plugs in the wall and you can plug something into it(which will get power on or off) and the other end is a motion sensor... totally black box
[1:01] <schuc> rebooting pi now
[1:02] <AlephTwo> Hmm. Do you fancy opening it to have a look. I'm betting there's a transistor which switches the hdmi power.
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[1:02] <schuc> if I was more electronics savvy, I could open the housing that clearly has the electronics in it and signal it out :)
[1:02] <AlephTwo> https://github.com/trainman419/python-cec may be useful
[1:02] <schuc> ah, you just said about the same thing lol
[1:03] <schuc> ok, I'll look at that too
[1:03] <AlephTwo> You could then remove said black box and drop your own pir sensor
[1:04] <schuc> yea... I know that a pi can control motion sensors and I thought of that so all is controlled from the pi, but then I need to give/take power to the controller board and I didn't know how to do that
[1:04] <AlephTwo> libcec is in raspbian, so it's an alternative
[1:04] <schuc> this thing seemed perfect for what I needed
[1:04] <schuc> ...it's not turning out to be so.. lol
[1:04] <AlephTwo> what controller board?
[1:05] <schuc> if I don't have my script running and trying to use a button, it works great... no rebooting or anything
[1:05] <AlephTwo> that library appears to be able to standby and wakeup the tv over hdmi directly
[1:05] <schuc> turns on monitor (and off) the way I would expect
[1:05] <schuc> it's just when I try to run my script and use the pins... all goes bad
[1:05] <schuc> interesting
[1:06] <schuc> ok, I changed pins and still have the same result... bummer
[1:06] <AlephTwo> So you can drop a pir shield or whatever (build an arduino uber-pir sensor) and have that signal you to turn on/off tv
[1:06] <AlephTwo> that way, you know when to ignore spurios gpio pins
[1:07] <AlephTwo> I also suspect that the PI kernel really doesn't like the TV just dying like that, so it would be a nicer way to control the tv
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[1:08] <AlephTwo> Fuck. I can monitor events from the remote coming in to the tv?
[1:08] <schuc> I just did quick read on the cec link you shared(thanks for that) and it looks pretty sweet
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[1:11] <schuc> not sure if this controller board even supports cec yet...
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[1:11] <schuc> gonna look up my board but I'm guessing I won't get the most detailed info in the world
[1:11] <AlephTwo> it does say raspberry pi (untested)
[1:11] <schuc> yes, I saw that
[1:11] <schuc> but he did build it for rpi though so that's encouraging
[1:14] <AlephTwo> Trying to ssh into my raspbmc pi, but can't remember my password - that's the one hooked up to the tv
[1:14] <schuc> you already have a pi on you tv? lol... what do you use that for? xbmc or something?
[1:15] <AlephTwo> yes. Currently doing a futurama binge
[1:15] <schuc> nice :)
[1:15] <AlephTwo> the other pi has a camera hooked up and is my main playbox
[1:15] <AlephTwo> my third one is awaiting a wifi dongle as I keep misplacing them
[1:16] <schuc> yea, if I can get this thing setup and right, that is my next project. A camera that will both stream live to a website and also record only video with movement
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[1:16] <AlephTwo> Small computers are very addictive
[1:16] <schuc> finding a case that also holds the camera is a pain though
[1:16] <schuc> totally.. and I have a lot to learn
[1:16] <AlephTwo> schuc: the camera module does all of that by default
[1:16] <schuc> way fun though
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[1:16] <AlephTwo> 30fps 1080p network stream
[1:16] <AlephTwo> movement detection
[1:16] <schuc> does it? I already bought a camera module, but haven't gotten on that project yet
[1:17] <AlephTwo> and (if you have the patience) upload your own haar cascade for object recognition
[1:17] <schuc> haar cascade?
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[1:17] <AlephTwo> computer vision stuff
[1:17] <schuc> ah, cool
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[1:17] <schuc> yea, don't know about that yet
[1:17] <AlephTwo> basically a file describing all possible viewpoints of an object
[1:17] <AlephTwo> a pain to train one correctly
[1:17] <schuc> live stream and recording when there is motion will be sweet to start with..lol
[1:17] <AlephTwo> but great when they work
[1:18] <schuc> sounds interesting
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[1:18] <AlephTwo> There is a default face recognition cascade there already I think, or you could just use the one from opencv
[1:18] <AlephTwo> Or train it to recognise your cat :)
[1:18] <AlephTwo> Drop it on a robot chassis & chase around
[1:18] <Budd> On a related topic, is there developed software/libraries to construct a 3D model from multiple photos or video?
[1:18] <Budd> I've played with insight3d, but it's quite bitrotted.
[1:18] <AlephTwo> budd on the Pi?
[1:18] <schuc> rofl
[1:19] <AlephTwo> blender has some stuff, but you'll need a good pc
[1:19] <schuc> chase your cat... that makes me laugh
[1:19] <Budd> It doesn't have to be pi-specific.
[1:19] <AlephTwo> there is some work in opencv/simplecv for stereo vision, extracting depth information isn't that hard from multiple viewpoints
[1:19] <AlephTwo> finding the algorithm which works with the language of your choice is the hard part
[1:20] <AlephTwo> There is some good research in extracting 3d model info from video streams for better object tracking/recognition
[1:20] <AlephTwo> but it's hidden deep in the webz
[1:20] <Budd> I tried in the past, but couldn't quite figure the math of correlating photos (even with manual registration), and auto-calculateing spherical bberation.
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[1:21] <Budd> It looks liek most of the pieces are already out there, though.
[1:21] <AlephTwo> You can just go with keypoint matching to get the overlaps
[1:21] <AlephTwo> Then use whatever transform algo on the differences - not done it myself.
[1:22] <Budd> I'm working on 3D GIS software, hopefully to work on the Pi, and it would be cool to walk somewhere with a camera and get a 3D model from it.
[1:22] <AlephTwo> There are cloudpoint libraries which build up a 3d model from lots of images
[1:22] <Budd> that sounds like what I want - search for cloudpoint?
[1:22] <AlephTwo> I think so. Microsoft had a nice demo from their massive photo archive somewhere
[1:23] <AlephTwo> But there's multiple implementations of the algorithm now. Again, have a good look at the blender stuff, especially the video editing stuff.
[1:23] <AlephTwo> Some interesting 3d extraction techniques. I didn't examine it enough though to say definitely.
[1:24] <Budd> thanks - I found PCL, which looks promising.
[1:24] <AlephTwo> You may need lots of images though
[1:25] <AlephTwo> Again, hook into something which grabs frames from the camera & builds up like that.
[1:25] <AlephTwo> My tool of choice would be simplecv, which is a 3-liner to do that. You also get a bunch of very advance image processing stuff
[1:26] <AlephTwo> import SimpleCV
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[1:27] <AlephTwo> cam=Camera(0, {"width":1024, "height":768})
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[1:27] <AlephTwo> img=cam.getImage()
[1:28] <AlephTwo> img.save('/path/to/storage/img.jpg')
[1:28] <AlephTwo> etc.
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[1:33] <AlephTwo> Budd: https://github.com/strawlab/python-pcl
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[1:34] <AlephTwo> well nn guys.
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[1:35] <theborger> hello, looking at doing a project, and want to get a touch screen for the Pi. the reviews i keep reading say some work, some don't etc. Does anyone have one that fully works? shows boot up of the Pi etc etc?
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[1:39] <theborger> looking for a screen in the 3.5 to 4.3 range
[1:41] <ShorTie> i'd look towards Adafruit or ebay
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[1:44] <theborger> ShorTie: yea been looking over ebay, like i said main thing is the reading of does not work, or have to run a special version of the OS to get it to work etc. so just wanted to ask.
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[1:46] <Xark> theborger: I think that is par. However Adafruit has this all working AFAIK.
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[1:48] <ShorTie> biggest thing is if it has drivers built in, what you can do is if it gives the chipset for the touch screen, use locate to search for it and see if it is built in
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[1:50] <ShorTie> or search the forums
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[1:52] <theborger> ShorTie, Xark ok thanks.
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[2:33] <schuc> Hi guys. I'm having a problem with a physical button I have programmed and wired in. It works about half the time. I'm not sure why it doesn't register every button press (as long as it's longer than the debounce length). Any ideas/suggestions would be appreciated.
[2:34] <Encapsulation> post up your code
[2:34] <schuc> ok, hang on a sec please
[2:34] <Encapsulation> maytbe the press is getting missed
[2:35] <ShorTie> are you looking for when the button is pushed ot released ??
[2:35] <ShorTie> s/ot/or/
[2:36] <schuc> here's my code: http://pastebin.com/G8kGcn1q
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[2:37] <schuc> ShorTie, looking for the rise (released)
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[2:41] <schuc> for another test, I just pressed the button 10x waiting ~3secs between each press. ONLY the first press registered
[2:41] <schuc> after the 10x, I pressed it fast 5x and got one more register of a press
[2:41] <schuc> ...weird
[2:42] <schuc> my debounce is 300 so every press should have been recognized
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[2:44] <schuc> Encapsulation, ShorTie, what do you guys think? Any suggestions?
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[2:46] <Encapsulation> schuc, what is your hardware setup
[2:48] <schuc> well... as rpi, video controller board to an lcd panel... hdmi connecting the pi to the controller
[2:49] <schuc> physical switch going to pin 18 and 3.3v
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[2:50] <heNNa-> r u using a pull-up/pull-down resistor?
[2:51] <schuc> I pasted the code above... pull down
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[2:51] <heNNa-> i mean your button
[2:51] <schuc> no physical resister... only a button
[2:51] <schuc> using software pulldown
[2:52] <heNNa-> if not pressed and you don't use a resistor it could read anything (if not grounded)
[2:52] <heNNa-> have you tried it without the event system by just printing the values in the loop or something like that?
[2:53] <heNNa-> to see if your flanks are recognized
[2:53] <schuc> I'm using the pulldown resister built into the rpi... that should be fine, right?
[2:54] <schuc> ..and to answer your question, I have not created a loop script to just dump the value
[2:56] <Encapsulation> the built in pull down might not be fine
[2:56] <Encapsulation> I'm not sure
[2:56] <Encapsulation> I would test with one if you have to be sure
[2:57] <schuc> hmm
[2:57] <heNNa-> can't tell if sufficient - on the beagle bone black it was not
[2:57] <heNNa-> uses the same GPIO lib btw
[2:57] <schuc> ok. Never heard I shouldn't trust the builtin pull up/down resisters before
[2:58] <schuc> thanks
[2:59] <heNNa-> if you use a prototyping board you have a huge antenna connected :)
[2:59] <Encapsulation> I'd also suggest trying it without the event driven code as a next step
[2:59] <Encapsulation> to confirm everything is working as you would expect
[2:59] <Encapsulation> if you break it down into pieces you will discover the problem
[2:59] <schuc> yea, I'll just try creating a simple loop to read the raw value as you and heNNa- were suggesting too
[2:59] <heNNa-> the event system was very bugged on the beaglebone (and limited to a fixed number of events to be added)
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[3:33] <dan2wik> is there any way to protect the micro SD card on my B+?
[3:33] <dan2wik> it sticks out past my case and I just had one damaged because it got caught on something
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[3:35] <[Saint]> The only real way to do so is a case that encases the entire thing.
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[3:36] <[Saint]> Or, just be careful where you put the thing.
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[3:44] <NedScott> all of the ports and mSD slot are spaced so that they should be flush when placed in most cases
[3:44] <NedScott> if you are completely bare then I would think everything would be equally in danger
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[4:00] <dan2wik> will a simple HDMI to DVI adapter work for a Pi?
[4:02] <abnormal> yes
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[4:17] <dan2wik> does NOOBS repartition the card?
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[4:19] <Berg> if its fresh yes
[4:20] <Berg> copy noobs to card then boot repartitions it
[4:20] <Berg> part of install very handy for noobs
[4:21] <dan2wik> Berg: can I put NOOBS on it without re-formatting?
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[4:21] <Berg> if its a new card
[4:21] <dan2wik> my phone doesn't support formatting and I don't have an SD card reader handy
[4:22] <Berg> just put noobs on a card and put it intro your pi
[4:22] <Berg> it will ask you what OS you want to install and do most of it for you
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[4:23] <dan2wik> Berg: I don't know if this hdmi cable is good, how do I know if something is booting?
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[4:24] <Berg> you will see the lights flashing on the pi and the monitor will filll with info
[4:24] <Berg> if the mkonitor stays silent then its no good
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[4:25] <Berg> you will need a net connection to the pi
[4:26] <Berg> dan2wik:
[4:26] <dan2wik> yes
[4:26] <dan2wik> I already have one
[4:26] <Berg> good
[4:26] <dan2wik> my last SD card had a crack in the end of it
[4:26] <Berg> ouch
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[4:27] <pksato> rnd video, re-purposing everyday devices https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VY9SBPo1Oy8
[4:28] <Berg> i cant w2atch u tube my months data is low
[4:28] <Berg> <---been naughty
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[4:45] <CanDoo> sup
[4:45] <Berg> sky
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[5:56] <Berg> hi folks
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[6:06] <dan2wik> Help. brand new installation, not syncing VFS kernel panic
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[6:21] <Berg> reboot and set your options by pressing shift at startup
[6:23] <dan2wik> Berg: set what?
[6:24] <dan2wik> Berg: I installed raspbian through NOOBS and it isn't listed as a local image
[6:26] <Berg> you have options that need setting one sec there is a youtube vid on setting up raspbian
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[6:27] <Berg> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hLs5V-GNJjg
[6:27] <Berg> have a look
[6:27] <dan2wik> ok
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[6:34] <dan2wik> Berg: still not working
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[6:48] <Berg> sorry am busy have a look a few more vids there is onbe that tells about options on install
[6:48] <Berg> dan2wik:
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[6:49] <dan2wik> Berg: watched 3 videos, they all just click install and it boots
[6:49] * pmumble installs retropie.
[6:50] <Berg> there is options to set for instaLL?
[6:50] <Berg> mumble did it
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[6:51] <Berg> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1751574
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[6:55] <dan2wik> NOOBS is having a seizure
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[7:28] <fred1807> : I am trying to force my raspberry to output mpd audio to both stereo jack and hdmi simultaneously. Any ideas?
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[7:29] <fred1807> : I am trying to force my raspberry to output mpd audio to both stereo jack and hdmi simultaneously. Any ideas?
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[7:34] <Berg> is the pi jack stero?
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[7:35] <fred1807> yes
[7:36] <fred1807> stereophonic
[7:38] <Berg> never use sound anyway
[7:38] <Berg> never use a mon itor either
[7:38] <Berg> hehehe
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[9:12] <kanzie> Has anyone else problems with Deluge dying on the Pi2 constantly?
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[10:04] <mrclfdz> deluge is garbage, get transmission
[10:04] <mrclfdz> or rutorrent
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[10:30] <Berg> rumour has it there be pirates
[10:30] <pmumble> o.O
[10:30] <Berg> i saw jonny depp today
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[10:31] <Berg> he smells of rum and fish
[10:31] <Berg> la la la
[10:31] * ShorTie grabs the spy glass and l00ks around
[10:32] <Berg> i have my pi running my 240volt relays etc its working fine it charges its own batteries when needed
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[10:33] <temmi_hoo> 5V coils?
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[10:38] <Berg> its actualy runnming on 3.5v
[10:38] <Berg> they are 5 volt coils
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[10:38] <Berg> i only took power from 3 volt pin
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[10:39] <Berg> its got optocouplers
[10:39] <dan2wik> is it possible to read sega master system cartridges using a Pi?
[10:39] <Berg> so i spose it can take 5
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[10:39] <Berg> no idea
[10:39] <dan2wik> and them read them into an emulator
[10:40] <Berg> what you gona play dungeon master?
[10:40] <Berg> bad music bad pack man
[10:40] <ShorTie> i'd imagin with the right harware and software
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[10:43] <dan2wik> I was just planning on using my old broken sega master system case and put the cardridges in
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[10:44] <dan2wik> I could probably even just download the roms and detect what cartridge is in.
[10:45] <NedScott> dan2wik: yes, but it's hard to find people who make the cartridge readers these days
[10:45] <dan2wik> the Pi surely has enough pins to do it right?
[10:46] <NedScott> well, the ones I'm thinking of use USB
[10:46] <NedScott> but I wouldn't be surprised if it could be done via GPIO :)
[10:46] <dan2wik> that is what I was thinking of
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[10:52] <temmi_hoo> optocouplers between relay coil and raspi gpio pin?
[10:53] <temmi_hoo> pi surely has not that great gpio and even less great hw timers so ymmv when making cartridge readers or emulators
[10:58] <ztane> hi, on raspbian what sets up the group for "gpio" stuff in /sys for gpio
[10:59] <ztane> I now need to do that on rpi2 jessie...
[11:00] <ShorTie> just use wiringPi for gpio stuff
[11:00] <dan2wik> so, not enough pins for the cartridge reading, but an arduino mega might have enough
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[11:05] <kanzie> mrclfdz: for seeding, no thank you!
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[11:08] <mrclfdz> deluge is shit seeding, transmission is better at it. deluge is an overrated ram eating monster
[11:11] <ztane> that didn't quite answer my question, I asked if anyone knows which mechanism sets the group gpio on raspbian :D
[11:11] <ztane> I do not now have access to raspbian right now, only jessie on rpi2
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[11:16] <dan2wik> what would happen if I ran 'sudo dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/mem' ?
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[11:18] <Great-Geek> dan2wik, Fun
[11:18] <ztane> writing to /dev/mem, crash would be the best thing to happen :D
[11:18] <ztane> file system corruption not so...
[11:19] <ahop> ShorTie, do you have the same: https://github.com/ShorTie8/my_pi_os/commit/9646d07c1c180b9c7468e752ea1c00cd58f6a361#commitcomment-11471446 ?
[11:19] <dan2wik> ok
[11:19] <ahop> what is /dev/mem ? direct acces to the RAM ? :)
[11:20] <Great-Geek> ahop, Yes, yes it is
[11:20] <ahop> waw that's great :)
[11:20] <ahop> didn't know it was possible
[11:20] <ahop> Doesn't this cause segmentation fault if you try to access places you don't have the right to?
[11:20] <Great-Geek> ahop, Yup
[11:21] <Great-Geek> ahop, Also, can & will mess with all sorts of running tasks
[11:21] <ahop> dan2wik: i tried, it crashed my Pi :)
[11:21] <Great-Geek> ahop, Usually, su can write unconditionally, breaking everything
[11:22] <ahop> true
[11:22] <dan2wik> I'd assume it would be almost instant
[11:22] <Great-Geek> ahop, It'll kill GPU and kernel first
[11:22] <ahop> It even didn't display seg fault
[11:22] <ahop> it just halted
[11:22] <Great-Geek> dan2wik, Yes, due to the speed of RAM and /dev/zero
[11:23] <ahop> I'm building a distrib, thanks to cdebootstrap + ShorTie's script
[11:23] <Great-Geek> ahop, Too fast for anything to react
[11:23] <ahop> Is there an option somewhere to enable sound?
[11:23] <Great-Geek> ahop, Which distro ?
[11:23] <ahop> Debian Jessie
[11:23] <ztane> can anyone give me udev rules that set up the gpio group properly on raspbian
[11:24] <ahop> I maybe forgot smoething, because my on-board sound (ok it's ugly but I still want to try) doesn't appear in the audio devices
[11:24] <ahop> Is there a config.txt or something else to enable on board audio?
[11:24] <dan2wik> does the Pi have any ADC?
[11:24] <ztane> or is it by default there?
[11:24] <ahop> dan2wik : no
[11:24] <ahop> for sound, at least, no
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[11:25] <dan2wik> ahop: at all?
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[11:30] <ahop> dan2wik: never seen an ADC
[11:30] <ahop> dan2wik: for what kind of usage?
[11:31] <dan2wik> mostly voltage monitoring
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[11:31] <dan2wik> I might need a faster adc later for a project
[11:31] <ahop> ok
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[11:36] <jose1711> hi, anyone please could explain why curren in r1 is about 2.5 mA? http://elinux.org/RPi_GPIO_Interface_Circuits#Using_an_NPN_transistor
[11:36] <jose1711> why it's not 3.3v (gpio pin) / 1000 (1k ohm)
[11:36] <jose1711> so 3.3 mA
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[11:41] <eirirs> just use relay and external power source if you really need more current :P
[11:43] <jose1711> i am just trying to figure out how they got that number
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[12:46] <ahop> Is that what we call the "foundation" kernel : https://github.com/raspberrypi/linux ?
[12:47] <ahop> ShorTie: is it this kernel that is used in your script when you use bootloader=kernel ?
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[12:57] <ShorTie> ya
[12:58] <ShorTie> well, the stable version, which is most likely behind that a little
[12:59] <MY123> erm
[12:59] <MY123> ExaGear was released for Pi1
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[13:14] <shiftplusone> hurray for useless software
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[13:15] <MY123> shiftplusone, it doesn't support MMX and SSE
[13:15] <MY123> back to 486 :-)
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[13:18] <temmi_hoo> jose1711: they got that number from broadcom who designed the mosfet gates
[13:19] <temmi_hoo> jose1711: so if you need moar poar, put a low side mosfet or low side pnp bipolar driven by the pin itself
[13:19] <temmi_hoo> now that mosfet/bipolar can possibly drive something a bit larger, such as a relay
[13:19] <temmi_hoo> if you manage to select suitable mosfet, some loads can be directly powered by it
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[13:25] <AlephTwo> well that was a tactical error. Have to dump a large db and shunt it off my server :(
[13:26] <AlephTwo> Fucking UK
[13:27] <AlephTwo> Anybody know of a good (and cheap) hosting site which is outside eu/us?
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[13:47] <Tenkawa> Greetings
[13:47] <Tenkawa> Anyone get a new Win10 core email for RPI yesterdaY/TODAY?
[13:47] <Tenkawa> oops
[13:49] <dan2wik> AlephTwo: how big?
[13:49] <dan2wik> and how long?
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[14:01] <eggbeater> has anyone in here put a Pi in the sky?
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[14:04] <AlephTwo> dan2wik: Nothing too extreme. I just want it out of EU jurisdiction
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[14:05] <dan2wik> AlephTwo: vultr.com ?
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[14:05] <dan2wik> they bill by the hour and have multiple locations
[14:05] <AlephTwo> ta. I'll check
[14:05] <ppq> AlephTwo, check turkish or russian hosters
[14:06] <AlephTwo> looking at cyberbunker
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[14:06] <AlephTwo> turkish sounds interesting, but they are applying for eu membershipo
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[14:07] <ppq> i don't think they will let them join in the near future
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[14:07] <AlephTwo> vultr are all eu/us or australian. :(
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[14:10] <Tenkawa> figures.. i'm getting page not found trying to login to microsoft dev and get the new image
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[14:15] <dan2wik> the red power light started flickering, this means power issues right?
[14:18] <shiftplusone> yup
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[14:20] <Great-Geek> Which toolchain should I be using for RPi2 kernel cross-compiles ?
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[14:21] <dan2wik> shiftplusone: input power is 5.12v, 3.3v power at GPIO is at 3.1v
[14:22] <shiftplusone> dan2k3k4: how did you determine that?
[14:22] <dan2wik> multimeter
[14:22] <shiftplusone> at what point did you get the 5v from?
[14:22] <dan2k3k4> :o
[14:22] <dan2wik> GPIO 5v and at the usb pins
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[14:23] <shiftplusone> dan2k3k4: sorry
[14:23] <dan2k3k4> np shiftplusone :p
[14:23] <shiftplusone> dan2wik: then it might be dipping below 4.6 too fast for the multimeter to see.
[14:24] <dan2wik> shiftplusone: that would be audible though
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[14:24] <pksato> 3.1V ?
[14:25] <dan2wik> my power supply is my computer's usb ports pluggings into a USB hub with an external power adapter
[14:25] <dan2wik> My headset's transmitter transmits whatever noise is coming through the USB power.
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[14:27] <shiftplusone> Well, the voltage monitor on the pi is the most reliable piece in this puzzle, so you can trust that it's seeing a voltage lover than 4.6v.
[14:28] <shiftplusone> lover? *lower
[14:30] <dan2wik> shiftplusone: doing the same thing on different known good cables and power supplies, and my other B+ is fine on these cables and power supplies
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[14:31] <shiftplusone> dan2k3k4: measured the voltage across the fuse?
[14:31] <shiftplusone> agh
[14:31] <dan2k3k4> :D
[14:31] <shiftplusone> one of you needs to change your nick =P
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[14:32] <dan2k3k4> well I use dan2k3k4 everywhere since like 2003... soo
[14:32] <evil_dan> my bouncer is kinda broken so I can't connect to evil_dan2wik
[14:32] <dan2k3k4> :o
[14:33] <shiftplusone> wasn't being serious, but that works.
[14:33] <evil_dan> shiftplusone: does the B+ even have a fuse?
[14:33] <shiftplusone> yeah
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[14:33] <shiftplusone> F1 on the underside
[14:34] <evil_dan> oh
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[14:36] <evil_dan> shiftplusone: 0.01v?
[14:36] <shiftplusone> sounds good
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[14:36] <shiftplusone> is the light flickering while you're measuring the 5v line?
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[14:37] <evil_dan> shiftplusone: it has been flickering the whole time
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[14:37] <pksato> can be a power line ripple.
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[14:37] <shiftplusone> That's what I think, but he thinks he's hear it.
[14:37] <shiftplusone> *hed
[14:37] <evil_dan> pksato: on my computer?
[14:37] <pksato> yes
[14:38] <evil_dan> I would hear it, my headset transmitter is very sensitive to any usb noise
[14:38] <pksato> bad caps can increase ripple.
[14:38] <gics> Hi, can someone help me understand these numbers? I'm planning to go solar and so have done some measurements with a kill-a-watt [1] http://i61.tinypic.com/2hcjm1l.jpg [2] http://i58.tinypic.com/2uh3ad4.jpg
[14:40] <pksato> a audio amp can be used to hear ripple. Or a other computer sound card and a osciloscope sw (or a sdr to see spectrum). Use a 100nF capacitor to decouple DC.
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[14:40] <qubitnerd> ugh tinypic
[14:41] <evil_dan> pksato: powered speaker?
[14:41] <ppq> gics, it means that you are drawing 60 mA (0,06 A). that obviously is 6 W with the mains voltage where you are living
[14:41] <pksato> evil_dan: if is from usb and is cheap one, just increase volume.
[14:42] <pksato> can hear some hiss
[14:42] <evil_dan> pksato: 3 pin powered speaker from a dell computer
[14:42] <gics> ppq, thanks for answering, the pics are from a running rpi2 so i dont' think it's 60ma
[14:42] <jose1711>
[14:43] <evil_dan> anyway, I can't hear anything, coming from it
[14:43] <pksato> hiss or worse, pops.
[14:43] <gics> ppq, am i correct to say you need to ~double that value and so you get a 1.2A ?
[14:43] <evil_dan> no hiss, no hums, no pops
[14:43] <pksato> evil_dan: probable this amp have a good filtering.
[14:44] <evil_dan> pksato: it is a transistor connected to a speaker, that is literally all it is
[14:44] <ppq> gics, 60 mA at 120 V AC are 1.44 A at 5 V DC when you have a PSU with 100% efficiency (there is no such thing)
[14:44] <pksato> transistor?
[14:44] <qubitnerd> gics: that is on the ac side
[14:45] <evil_dan> pksato: 3 pin smd transistor
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[14:45] <pksato> Only one transistor?
[14:46] <evil_dan> seems like it, but the other side of the board is glued down pretty flat to the back of the speaker
[14:46] <qubitnerd> power factor if at all defined for dc would be 1
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[14:46] <gics> ppq, i'm @220V how much it's? Where can i find the formula you used?
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[14:48] <ppq> gics, with 230 V AC it's 2.76 A at 5 V DC. 230/5*0.06 = 2.76.
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[14:49] <ppq> (which is still an over-simplification of things)
[14:49] <gics> ppq, thank you very much
[14:49] <qubitnerd> are you using the right equipement though ?
[14:49] <evil_dan> oh
[14:49] <evil_dan> so stupid
[14:50] <ppq> gics, the approach is: power_AC = power_DC. power_AC is 230 V * 0.06 A. power_DC is 5 V * x
[14:50] <evil_dan> single strand of wire was shorting out the act light to the power light
[14:50] <qubitnerd> ppq: but but power factor !
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[14:51] <ppq> yea.. like i said, over-simplification :)
[14:51] <gics> qubitnerd, i'm asking myself at this point! 2.76A seems too much to me...expecially planning to run with PV
[14:51] <qubitnerd> you are measuring DC current with an instrumetn meant for AC
[14:51] <qubitnerd> i think
[14:52] <qubitnerd> doesnt your panel give you DC power ?
[14:52] <qubitnerd> or you have some invertor stuff in between
[14:52] <pksato> gics: wall -> kill-a-watt -> PSU -> RPi?
[14:53] <gics> qubitnerd, no, i'm yet on the grid if i get what you asked me (sorry english isn't my 1st lang)
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[14:53] <qubitnerd> okay
[14:53] <gics> pksato, exactly! to be more precise wall -> kill-a-watt -> 2x PSU ->> rPi and usb-HUB
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[14:55] <qubitnerd> the power that is measured by the meter is voltage*current*powerfactor
[14:55] <temmi_hoo> does killawatt understand about phase angle?
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[14:56] <temmi_hoo> also, does it understand about harmonic content? many cheaper switcher psu's only eat current at the top of voltage waveform
[14:56] <temmi_hoo> ie. their main consumption is at 3rd harmonic
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[14:56] <temmi_hoo> <-- back to repairing damn car alternators that resist bearing replacement
[14:57] <ozzzy_> I just walk them into NAPA/UAP and swap them for a rebuilt
[14:57] <gics> temmi_hoo, i'm not so expert, the only thing i can say it's that the killawatt manual mention cos phi
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[14:58] <qubitnerd> the killawatt is showing you the real power
[14:59] <qubitnerd> 9 watts
[15:00] <gics> qubitnerd, can you show the formula you used? i don't get 9 using 2.76A suggested from ppq
[15:00] <qubitnerd> VxIxPF 220*0.06*0.6=7.9
[15:00] <gics> qubitnerd, it's just because i like/want to better understand
[15:00] <gics> qubitnerd,
[15:00] <gics> qubitnerd, ok!
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[15:01] <qubitnerd> your voltage must be somewhere around 240 i think
[15:01] <qubitnerd> with V=240 it turns out to be around 8.7 watts
[15:02] <gics> qubitnerd, at this moment 225@50hz
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[15:02] <qubitnerd> or the current was not 0.06 when it showed 9 watts
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[15:02] <gics> i can also read Wh on this tool, and it's at 77 now
[15:03] <qubitnerd> yeah that will keep increasing
[15:03] <gics> qubitnerd, it could be, it took some time between two pics
[15:03] <qubitnerd> Wh is measure of energy
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[15:04] <gics> i calculated 5Vx1.5A=7.50W x 24Hrs = 180 Wh
[15:04] <gics> but now i need to remake my calcs :)
[15:05] <qubitnerd> your Pi wont continuosly consume 1.5 amperes
[15:06] <qubitnerd> that is simply the rating of the pwower supply to be used and it is higher than the max current the pi will take
[15:06] <gics> qubitnerd, it's a video surveillance system, plus it have 3G usb, wifi and a usb key to store video
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[15:08] <gics> if i have well understood: i have now 8W (0.60PF) so i can say 8w/5v = 1.6A am i correct?
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[15:09] <temmi_hoo> sounds about right
[15:09] <temmi_hoo> then you have some amount of conversion losses
[15:10] <temmi_hoo> a good psu is around 90% to 95% efficient but small psus aren't good, so your losses are anywhere between 5% and 30%
[15:12] <gics> temmi_hoo, thank you for confirming! And yes, loses will be counted in the next steps ;)
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[15:13] <gics> i'll use an ubec after the charge controller so i think i should get around 15% loss
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[15:15] <gics> thank you again to all who answered me! I learned something new also today, now finally i have a sure number to plan the sola panels :)
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[15:18] <pksato> 10W solar panel.
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[15:20] <gics> pksato, so little? i was at 63W with my previous calc, i think they will increase now
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[15:23] <pksato> to power RPi and some sensors.
[15:23] <pksato> one RPi.
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[15:29] <FlyingPersian> does it increase the lifetime of a SD if I install the OS to a USB stick (and obviously the boot stuff to the SD)
[15:30] <Sonny_Jim> Theorectically, yes
[15:31] <FlyingPersian> and practically?
[15:31] <FlyingPersian> not always? :D
[15:31] <FlyingPersian> I have a spare USB stick anyway, guess I'll just do it
[15:31] <FlyingPersian> it's not USB 3.0 though :o
[15:31] <ppq> not necessarily
[15:32] <ppq> it's still a good idea
[15:32] <Sonny_Jim> In normal use, I doubt you would reach the lifetime limit of the SD card
[15:32] <Sonny_Jim> USB 3.0 wouldn't make any difference in this case, either
[15:32] <FlyingPersian> well it's said that using a USB 3.0 stick would use the full capabilities of the 2.0 port
[15:33] <FlyingPersian> since 2.0 sticks don't always do that
[15:33] <Sonny_Jim> "It's said"?
[15:33] <ppq> usb3 sticks are usually faster than usb2 sticks, even on a usb2 port
[15:33] <FlyingPersian> https://osmc.tv/help/wiki/pi-usb
[15:33] <FlyingPersian> Although the Pi has USB 2.0 ports, OSMC recommends using a USB 3.0 drive, as this will ensure you fully saturate the USB 2.0 port and take advantage of its speed. USB 2.0 drives can vary in speed so by using a 3.0 rated one, you are ensuring you will get the best USB 2.0 performance possible
[15:33] * Sonny_Jim shrugs
[15:33] <Sonny_Jim> The USB performance isn't exactly stellar in the first place, seems a waste of money to me
[15:34] <FlyingPersian> well I have 3 spare USB sticks
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[15:34] <FlyingPersian> I'm not actually buying a USB stick fo this
[15:34] <Sonny_Jim> Benchmarks are important in cases like this.
[15:34] <Sonny_Jim> Does OSMC link to a list of people who will sell you a USB3.0 drive? ;-p
[15:35] <FlyingPersian> naw actually not
[15:35] <FlyingPersian> D
[15:35] <FlyingPersian> :D
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[15:36] <evil_dan> FlyingPersian: I have a USB 3.0 drive that performs worse than my USB 2.0 drive from work
[15:37] <evil_dan> cache read and writes are almost instant because the cache is only 32mb, but everything else was down to around 4mb/s
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[15:40] <FlyingPersian> okay well I'm using a USB 2.0 stick now
[15:40] <FlyingPersian> I think I did something wrong tho :D when using the installer exe I selected "install to SD card", I think that was wrong :x
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[15:42] <Sonny_Jim> I would have thought that you'd get better disk performance by having / on the SD card
[15:42] <FlyingPersian> well I dunno
[15:42] <evil_dan> FlyingPersian: the main thing that putting my OS on a USB drive has done was limited the power loss corruption that SD cards seem to have
[15:43] <FlyingPersian> so basically there aren't any disadvantages in using a USB stick, right�
[15:43] <FlyingPersian> ?
[15:43] <evil_dan> USB bandwidth
[15:43] <FlyingPersian> I think the USb stick I have is quiet descent
[15:43] <FlyingPersian> its performance isn't that bad
[15:44] <evil_dan> no, I mean the internal USB hub performance
[15:44] <FlyingPersian> oh
[15:44] <Sonny_Jim> The Pi USB bandwidth isn't great
[15:44] <FlyingPersian> okay
[15:44] <Sonny_Jim> By having / on the SD card you allow more of that bandwidth to be free.
[15:44] <Sonny_Jim> Bear in mind that the USB bandwidth is shared with the network adapter as well
[15:44] <FlyingPersian> so what shall I do, leave it on the SD card or use a USB stick?
[15:45] <evil_dan> since ethernet and the rest of the USB devices would go through the already quite limited single USB port on the SoC, you would experience some slow downs when downloading or copying from another USB
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[15:45] <FlyingPersian> I'm using it to do two things: now just as a streaming client (RaspBMC) and soon together with LED strips for amilight
[15:46] <FlyingPersian> I have a NAS, so that one will do the heavy work
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[15:47] <fred1807> I need help on duplicating the alsa output (getting the same sound at stereo jack and hdmi at the same time)
[15:47] <FlyingPersian> so, should I leave it on the SD or use the USB stick instead?
[15:47] <FlyingPersian> what's you ppls opinion on this?
[15:47] <evil_dan> FlyingPersian: up to you, USB drives usually have more reliability in my experience
[15:47] <FlyingPersian> in regard to what I'm going to use it for (so less writing I suppose)
[15:47] <FlyingPersian> okay
[15:47] <FlyingPersian> reliability is important to me
[15:48] <Sonny_Jim> I'd leave it on the SD card, but then again I've not had any reliability issues for over a year now
[15:49] <FlyingPersian> I'll try the USB
[15:49] <FlyingPersian> the UI of RaspBMC is quite laggy
[15:49] <FlyingPersian> maybe the USB stick is better
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[15:50] <evil_dan> most of my reliability issues have come from power loss or low quality SD cards, with 1 filesystem just going bad for unknown reasons
[15:50] <fred1807> * Need to create a virtual soundcard with both stereo jack and hdmi device, so I can make music player mpd output to both simultaneously
[15:51] <Sonny_Jim> Doesn't MPD do multiple outputs anyway?
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[15:58] <FlyingPersian> http://www.adko.de/shop/cgi-bin/shop.dll?SESSIONID=085271127615124&AnbieterID=38 <-- are these two compatible? --> http://www.insaneware.de/epages/61714203.sf/de_DE/?ObjectPath=/Shops/61714203/Products/nt5v10a
[15:59] <FlyingPersian> I noticed that the PSU is 5,5/2,5 and the adapter 5,5/2,1 :x
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[15:59] <FlyingPersian> okay the install took way longer evil_dan & Sonny_Jim
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[16:01] <temmi_hoo> FlyingPersian: voltage being the same, both will work as long as they can supply the amount of current necessary
[16:01] <FlyingPersian> yeah I read that the adapter can give up to 10A
[16:02] <temmi_hoo> on psu specs the current rating is the maximum on that particular psu can deliver
[16:02] <FlyingPersian> yeah I won't need that much
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[16:02] <FlyingPersian> I'll need somewhat in the vincinity of 6A
[16:02] <temmi_hoo> so if you know your current need you should just get a psu that has MORE current than what's necessary
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[16:09] <Bilby> within reason, yes
[16:09] <Bilby> *yawn*
[16:09] <ShorTie> i like current draw of 60-80(peak)% of rated output
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[16:20] <Froolap> for what it's worth cat5 with / on usb = 9mbps....... wireless with / on sd = 2mbps in either event the router is 2 feet away. 3 foot cat5 cable
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[16:22] <Sonny_Jim> What are you measuring?
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[16:29] <fred1807> Sonny_Jim: Yes MPD does multiple outputs, any idea on how to make it output to stereo jack and hdmi ?
[16:30] <FlyingPersian> nice, just ordered everything (I hope) for the ambilight to set it up properly :x
[16:30] <fred1807> Sonny_Jim: On config file I have alsa devide hw:0,0
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[16:32] <drstupid> hi, i am trying to take my wlan0 DOWN by doing "ifconfig wlan0 down" but it does not actually go down, "ifconfig wlan0" shows it as up immediately after doing the down command. can anyone tell me why and how to make it go down?
[16:32] <temmi_hoo> for raspbian you should use the ifup ifdown scripts
[16:33] <temmi_hoo> it's the bsds that use ifconfig for things, them linuxen use other ways and debian derivatives at least do use ifup/ifdown
[16:34] <drstupid> hmm ok, but it still says UP after that command as well
[16:35] <Froolap> I was downloading fedora-arm-xfce in both tests from the same mirror.
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[16:36] <Froolap> network manager detects that the connection has failed and reconnects it. :)\
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[16:38] <Froolap> try nmcli con show nmcli con done NeTwOrK-NaMe from the show list
[16:38] <Froolap> done = down
[16:38] <Sonny_Jim> fred1807: I'm not sure what you are testing, wireless or SD throughput?
[16:39] <temmi_hoo> drstupid: ifdown wlan0 ?
[16:39] <fred1807> Sonny_Jim: I want the same audio (music from mpd) to play Simultaneous from jack output and hdmi output (right now I can only select on or another)
[16:40] <Froolap> temmi_hoo: ifdown doesn't tell network manager not to reconnect the device.
[16:40] <temmi_hoo> oh
[16:40] <temmi_hoo> oh them damn automongers
[16:40] <temmi_hoo> oh
[16:40] <temmi_hoo> okay so try the froolap trick, looks convincing enough to me
[16:40] <temmi_hoo> i'm a freebsd guy anyways so just learning on raspbian
[16:41] <drstupid> strangely i dont have nmcli on this thing. it's pwnpi, i thought it was a raspbian variant. i think i see something about network interface plugging daemon.
[16:42] <Froolap> that is one of the reasons I prefer fedora as I can manage my network from the command line... raspbain will still let you use nmcli for con up and con down, but won't let you make a new wirless connection if it doesn't have a pre-existing config
[16:43] <Sonny_Jim> fred1807: Meant to point that at Froolap
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[16:44] <Froolap> nmcli might not be included in the debian networkmanager package, it might be considered an add-on because nobody uses command line when they can have pictures.
[16:44] <Froolap> you might need to apt-get nmcli
[16:44] <fred1807> Sonny_Jim: my raspberry is headless
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[16:44] <drstupid> ok, for now i can kill the ifplugd process controlling wlan0 :D i will have to find where that runs at boot
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[16:46] <joh_> Hello, The I2C isn't working on my Raspberry Pi A+. I wanted to use the http://www.adafruit.com/products/1980
[16:46] <joh_> TSL2591
[16:48] <joh_> I connected like this: Vin --> 5V, GND --> GND, SDA-->SDA0, SCL --> SCL0
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[16:49] <c0de1> hey
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[16:51] <joh_> Any Idea? Trying many things for days
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[16:54] <ShorTie> did you enable the i2c bus ??
[16:54] <shiftplusone> 'not working' is a helpful description of what's happening.
[16:54] <shiftplusone> *isn't
[16:54] <joh_> https://learn.adafruit.com/adafruits-raspberry-pi-lesson-4-gpio-setup/configuring-i2c
[16:55] <joh_> And when i do i2cdetect -y 1 I get an empty table
[16:55] <shiftplusone> ah, better
[16:56] <nomis> joh_: have you enabled the respective i2c bus in config.txt?
[16:56] <FlyingPersian> I had raspbian with plexmediaserver on a SD card with a RPI2 and i switched the SD to a RPI b+ and now plexmediaserver isn't starting. I'm not getting any error. I can't find any logs stating anything about this. might this be due to the switch from RPI2 to RPI b+?
[16:56] <ShorTie> does lsmod show it loaded ??
[16:56] <joh_> I am new to the whole thing. Please slowly ^^
[16:56] <joh_> nomis: No I haven't
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[16:57] <joh_> can you explain what you exactly mean?
[16:57] <joh_> Oh in the /boot/config.txt
[16:58] <joh_> dtparam=i2c_arm=on dtparam=i2c=on1=on in my config
[16:58] <nomis> ah.
[16:59] <nomis> what is this "i2c=on1=on" thing? looks weird to me.
[16:59] <joh_> Should it only be: dtparam=spi=on dtparam=i2c_arm=on
[17:00] <joh_> and dtparam=i2c=on
[17:00] <nomis> is this a B+? or a 2B?
[17:00] <shiftplusone> dtparam=i2c=on1=on looks like a snafu indeed? How did that get there?
[17:01] <joh_> A+
[17:01] <joh_> I never edited the boot.txt - Only enabled I2C in raspi-config
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[17:02] <joh_> With what exactly should I replace it?
[17:02] <joh_> :D
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[17:02] <shiftplusone> seems okay https://github.com/RPi-Distro/raspi-config/blob/master/raspi-config#L501
[17:02] <shiftplusone> dtparam=i2c_arm=on
[17:03] <shiftplusone> agh... not in the mood to try to decipher regex
[17:03] <shiftplusone> s/^((device_tree_param|dtparam)=([^,]*,)*i2c(_arm)?)(=[^,]*)?/\1=$SETTING/
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[17:04] <joh_> So this 2 lines: dtparam=i2c1=on dtparam=i2c_arm=on
[17:04] <joh_> instead of mine
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[17:04] <shiftplusone> yeah
[17:04] <shiftplusone> wait, what
[17:04] <joh_> Ok thx, gonna try it
[17:04] <shiftplusone> no
[17:04] <joh_> wut
[17:05] <shiftplusone> no dtparam=i2c1=on
[17:05] <joh_> Whats the difference between i2c1 and i2c?
[17:06] <joh_> Btw. the Sensor is connected to scl0 and sda0
[17:06] <shiftplusone> okay, now I'm getting confused
[17:06] <shiftplusone> https://github.com/raspberrypi/firmware/blob/master/boot/overlays/README
[17:06] <shiftplusone> there... that document has the final say
[17:06] <shiftplusone> i2c An alias for i2c_arm
[17:07] <shiftplusone> so either dtparam=i2c_arm=on or dtparam=i2c=on means the same thing
[17:07] <joh_> Alright :)
[17:07] <joh_> And why so sites write i2c1?
[17:07] <joh_> some*
[17:08] <joh_> Like the adafruit ^^
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[17:10] <Bilby> hmm
[17:10] <joh_> Rebooted with dtparam=i2c_arm=on
[17:11] <joh_> Still empty ('-') when I do i2cdetect
[17:11] <nomis> joh_: you don't happen to have an oscilloscope or logic analyzer near you?
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[17:12] <Bilby> I did some digging and I don't see any easy answer. Is there a simple if (GPIO_PIN == HIGH) then ( send keystrokes ) library out there?
[17:12] <nomis> Bilby: there is a linux driver for that: gpio-keys
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[17:12] <joh_> nomis: Nope, I have a digital multimeter
[17:13] <Bilby> specifically, I'm thinking of doing a digital display with calander / weather on browser tabs and using switches to flip between them. need to send CTRL+1, CTRL+2 etc
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[17:13] <shiftplusone> joh_: deprecated way of referring to the same thing, I guess, but it's wrong since i2c_arm is not always i2c1
[17:13] <boxmein> Bilby: you could write a quick script
[17:14] <boxmein> Bilby: sorry I'm new to gpio, is it /sys/class/gpio or something?
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[17:14] <Bilby> there are lots of ways to talk to the GPIO, python probably is one of the easiest
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[17:15] <joh_> So what do you guys recommend to do?
[17:15] <Bilby> nomis, it looks like that only lets met send a single physical keystroke - i need to do a combination keystroke here
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[17:16] <Bilby> it's really hard to search for "CTRL" or "control" with google XD
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[17:18] <Bilby> joh_, I'm assuming you don't have any other i2c devices you can test the pi with?
[17:19] <joh_> No, Only GPIO "devices"
[17:19] <joh_> Its the only thing which is not working
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[17:20] <fred1807> raspberry simultenously audio on both hdmi and stereo jack 0_0
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[17:23] <Bilby> joh_ if everything else is working i'd assume the board is toast, but i've not used i2c except with the wolfrum board and that was all pre-configured for me
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[17:23] <Encapsulation> what would a small smd component taped to the side of a battery be?
[17:23] <nomis> Bilby: then you need to implement something that binds to the input device and map the keystrokes to a different. One way to do it is via a userspace program that makes use of the uinput mechanism.
[17:24] <joh_> The question is: The board or the sensor?
[17:24] <nomis> Bilby: but sorry, have to run now.
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[17:24] <Encapsulation> it measures ~8k resistance and when I warm it up a bit it goes below 7 so I was wondering if it was overheat sensor or some other function
[17:24] <joh_> The only thing i can say is, the connection from the sensor to the board is correct.
[17:24] <Bilby> nomis no worries. I need to set up a new SD card and i'll start playing
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[17:29] <joh_> shiftplusone: you have any idea left? Board to Sensor connection is ok, Boot.txt fixed...:/
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[17:29] <Bilby> apparenly this is non-trivial (@)_(@) I figured it'd be the easy part
[17:29] <shiftplusone> joh_: got a scope?
[17:30] <joh_> An oszi?
[17:30] <shiftplusone> a silly-scope
[17:30] <joh_> no
[17:31] <joh_> But what would you check with the scope?
[17:31] <joh_> if the SCL/SDA are receiving?
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[17:33] <shiftplusone> yeah, just see which side isn't doing the pin wiggling it's meant to
[17:34] <shiftplusone> I always end up checking things with the scope when i2c doesn't behave like I expect it to and it's usually obvious what the problem is once you've got a scope attached.
[17:34] <joh_> So basically I am fucked up -.-
[17:35] <shiftplusone> 1) Family friendly channel. 2) Nuh, there are other things to do... check that things aren't held low/high, pin states are what you expect them to be and so on.
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[17:35] <joh_> Alright, thx for the help. Gonna check what I can find else
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[17:36] <shiftplusone> check out the raspi-gpio tool to check the pin states
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[17:55] <pepijndevos> squirm. I tried to hook up the camera module and an Arduino mini to my raspi B+ and now it doesn't start with my 1A psu. Do I need 2A?
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[17:56] <Bilby> I don't know what the arduino needs, it shouldn't be too bad, but it might be over 1A. Which pi?
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[17:56] <ppq> arduinos don't draw that much. make sure you don't have a short in there somewhere. also, your circuits behind the arduino may be the problem
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[18:06] <pepijndevos> ppq, nothing hooked up yet, just the mini, and the led turned on
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[18:19] <Froolap> first they say it will run on 1a then they say that 2a isn't enough, you need 2.4a to be "safe" next the pi will ship with it's own nuclear power plant, complete with radiation suits.
[18:20] <darkmatter_dave> I need some help trying to get cec-client to change my TV's input, anyone have any experience with cec-client?
[18:20] <macintosh264> Hey, if I dd the sd card to a file (sudo dd if=/dev/sdx of=pi.img) does the output file contain the information for each partition and the partition table?
[18:20] <shiftplusone> Froolap: what? How do you know about the nuclear power plant? Did RS/Farnell leak again!?
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[18:20] <macintosh264> Like if I then later did sudo dd if=pi.img of=/dev/sdx, would the partitions be identical?
[18:21] <shiftplusone> macintosh264: yup, it's all the raw data, including the MBR.
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[18:21] <macintosh264> cool thanks shiftplusone
[18:21] <shiftplusone> macintosh264: not identical though, since you'd expect the sd card to be much larger than the image
[18:21] <Froolap> and empty / bad sectors.....
[18:21] <macintosh264> icic
[18:22] <macintosh264> if I imaged a 64GB card and put it on a 16GB card
[18:22] <macintosh264> would the MBR need to be redone or something?
[18:22] <shiftplusone> you wouldn't be able to without shrinking the partition down first
[18:22] <macintosh264> I assume the second partition's end sector would be way out of bounds for the 16GB card
[18:22] * Bilby uses a portable warp core to generate power for his Pi
[18:22] <Bilby> one side effect though, occaisonally it ends up on the other side of the planet
[18:22] <macintosh264> could you shrink post-dd or pre-dd
[18:22] <shiftplusone> but yeah, you'd modify the partition table and shrink the filesystem first, then dd up to the point where the partition ends.
[18:23] <shiftplusone> macintosh264: either
[18:23] <macintosh264> icic
[18:23] <shiftplusone> not postdd back to the card though since... well, it won't fit...
[18:23] <Froolap> Your 64gb image wouldn't fit on a 16 g card, but if you dd a 15g card and then dd the 16g image to the 64g card, the 64g card might be REALLY convinced that its only a 16 gig card.
[18:23] <macintosh264> how would one modify the partition table of a .img file?
[18:24] <shiftplusone> parted
[18:24] <shiftplusone> or fdisk
[18:24] <shiftplusone> I don't think either care
[18:24] <macintosh264> oh you just pass it the img file?
[18:24] <shiftplusone> yeah
[18:24] <macintosh264> I typically use cgdisk
[18:24] <macintosh264> should be fine I guess
[18:25] <Froolap> it's probably a better idea to dd the partitions individually rather than the whole card..... but I'm not a dd expert.
[18:25] <shiftplusone> Well, I'd recommend a tarball backup instead
[18:25] <shiftplusone> or something like partclone
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[18:25] <shiftplusone> but windows users tend to hiss at such suggestions
[18:26] <macintosh264> >implying I'm a windows user
[18:26] <Armand> "windows" ?? Wassat ?
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[18:26] <Froolap> you'll want to male note of stary/stop sectors on the partition for offsets, or dd part1 to part1 on destination card and create the partitions on the destination card before you dd.
[18:27] <macintosh264> Well I did the original partitioning myself so I can just do a mix of what everyone said
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[18:27] <macintosh264> I can image each partition into a tar backup, then put that onto an SD card I partition myself
[18:27] <Froolap> that way you only copy the partition information rather than the card capacity information
[18:27] <macintosh264> there's only two, /boot, and /
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[18:30] <A1F4> Hello
[18:30] <shiftplusone> macintosh264: nope, not implying anything. It's just that this question comes up quite a bit and there are no good answers for windows users.
[18:31] <macintosh264> shiftplusone: takin' the piss, dw :P
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[18:59] <tiatmed> Hi, I'm currently trying to set up a file server with a powered USB hub, a RaspPi and a portable hard drive. Does the hard drive need to be powered?
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[19:00] <A1F4> Yes sir.
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[19:02] <tiatmed> I'm using a portable hard drive with only 1 port though, so am I screwed?
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[19:06] <tiatmed> What I'm saying is if I connect a hard drive to a USB hub and connect the USB hub to the Pi will I be able to mount the hard drive?
[19:07] <Froolap> that's what I do. have it booting / from usb
[19:07] <methuzla> tiatmed sure, if it's got enough power.
[19:08] <pksato> modern external hd use less power, if have only usb to plug on computer, work on rpi B+
[19:08] <tiatmed> The HDD is plugged to the USB hub though not the Pi. It will still work right?
[19:08] <Froolap> only use the sd card for the uboot prtition. after that the sd card just holds my backup in case I want to refresh.
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[19:11] <methuzla> tiatmed in general yes, does the hd have its own AC adapter? or just a USB port?
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[19:22] <jer> if it's just a usb port, make sure your usb hub has its own power
[19:23] <jer> i have a modern samsung drive that crashes my pi if plugged into it directly (has no external power source available, just draws it over usb) -- so i have to use a hub with external power
[19:24] <A1F4> You may brought cable which have two USB port at one and and micro USB port to connect HD on other end.
[19:25] <A1F4> Its solve your problem check on eBay.
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[19:37] <pepijndevos> What's the use of these diodes? https://github.com/raspberrypi/hats/blob/master/backpowering-diagram.png
[19:40] <shiftplusone> pepijndevos: what happens when you have two power supplies, one providing 4.9v and the other providing 5.1v?
[19:40] <pepijndevos> I see, so if you are ONLY powering it via GPIO it's safe to do so?
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[19:41] <shiftplusone> pepijndevos: what about backfeeding usb hubs?
[19:41] <pepijndevos> true
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[19:45] <wanda_> Hi all, I just come to inform about this system in telephony based on Asterisk-XiVO and raspberry-pi 2 http://raspivo.io
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[20:07] <CoJaBo> aaand Iv'e created fire. nice
[20:08] <jer> before or after releasing the magic blue smoke? =]
[20:08] <willmore> Intentionally?
[20:08] <CoJaBo> jer: Simultaneously with.
[20:09] <jer> impressive. hopefully not your last spare pi
[20:09] <CoJaBo> Not a pi, jusst a power supply..
[20:09] <CoJaBo> Trying to troubleshoot a shorted power supply, and I bumped the "SWITCH SUDDENLY UP TO 5 AMPS LOL" switch on the power supply powering it :/
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[20:10] <jer> ah
[20:10] <CoJaBo> It was more "magic thick dark gray smoke" than blue <_<
[20:10] <CoJaBo> The whole room stinks
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[20:10] <CoJaBo> It instantaneously melted the entire underside of the board into one single amorphous solder blob.
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[20:11] <CoJaBo> Yeh, this is probably not fixable xD
[20:14] <jer> everything is fixable, sometimes however it requires replacing everything and starting over =]
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[20:15] <CoJaBo> Fun fact: Any diode is an LED at the appropriate power level.
[20:16] <CoJaBo> Or, I suppose, the inappropriate power level xD
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[20:18] <antiPosix> Homemade lightning is the best!
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[20:26] <CoJaBo> antiPosix: This is what non-homemade lightning looks like: http://i.imgur.com/gBil4.jpg
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[20:27] <redstonecraftpl> witam panów, hello
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[20:34] <seriema> I sent a file to my rpi through ssh, but how do I send a file back (from rpi to mac)?
[20:35] <ppq> use scp
[20:35] <ppq> scp user1@host1:/path/to/source user2@host2:/path/to/destination
[20:36] <ppq> one of those can, of course, be replaced by a local path like /path/to/file
[20:36] <Andocromn> anyone try out yet the Windows 10 on the RPI2? i just got my download link today
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[20:46] <pland> hello all. just edited /etc/inittab on a pi compute to ask for runlevel 1 on boot (testing hardware device comput module piggybacks onto) and it's now stuck on loop boot sequence right after shutting down wlan0, ALSA and lightdm, after which there's a message about concurrent boot and it tries to shut those service down again, and again, and again...is there a safe mode for compute modules?
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[20:49] <pland> and failing that, anyone know how to set J4 to slave so I can flash this sucker from a second pi?
[20:50] <Wegge> Does anyone know of a physical store(chain) in the US, where I could go and pick up an Raspberry? More specificly in or around Lynchburg, VA.
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[20:57] <seriema> ppq: hmm ok let me try that
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[21:02] <alphakiller> hi all
[21:02] <seriema> ppq: thx it worked!
[21:02] <seriema> if I have something mounted, do I need to unmount it before shutting down (with sudo halt)?
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[21:05] <ppq> no
[21:05] <Xark> seriema: It will unmount automatically on a normal shutdown (shutdown -h now). Not sure about halt...
[21:05] <alphakiller> I want to build a nautical gps and echo sounder with raspberry pi. can be possible? I need arduino to interface gps and echo sounder module?
[21:05] <ppq> halt and shutdown -h now do the same things
[21:06] <ppq> alphakiller, an arduino is enough actually. what do you want the pi for?
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[21:07] <pland> just asking again in case someone knows: is there a safe mode on compute modules? (stuck on boot loop on runlevel 1)
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[21:09] <alphakiller> ppq: i need the pi because when the user navigate with the boat, he can create a map of the backcloth
[21:09] <alphakiller> depth*
[21:10] <ppq> i see
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[21:11] <ppq> sure, you can use a pi to communicate with the arduino
[21:11] <ppq> read data etc.
[21:11] <alphakiller> thank you :)
[21:12] <ppq> maybe it is possible to eliminate the arduino, with wiringpi you can do lots of hardware interfacing things with the pi
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[21:14] <alphakiller> i think that the wiring can be too chaotic
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[21:15] <boxmein> lol
[21:15] <boxmein> http://puu.sh/i9Xw7/4a5ba4ce41.png
[21:15] <boxmein> I suck at networking, is there a way to get the pi internet access?
[21:15] <ppq> depends on the router firmware
[21:16] <ppq> with openwrt or dd-wrt it's possible
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[21:16] <ppq> some stock firmwares may support wifi client mode, too
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[21:17] <alphakiller> boxmein: i think that you can attach the wifi dongle to pi and use it as access point, but i'm not sure
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[21:17] <boxmein> not a wifi dongle, a 4G dongle
[21:17] <boxmein> should still apply though
[21:18] <ppq> yea, thats another option. but you would need a wifi adapter that supports AP mode
[21:18] <Bilby> Mmm, fresh raspibian install
[21:18] <ppq> .. or use the router for that
[21:19] <Berg> fresh
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[21:19] <alphakiller> ppq: attach the dongle to the router?
[21:19] <pksato> boxmein: enabled ICS on win7? (Internet Connection Sharing)
[21:19] <ppq> that's a third option
[21:19] <pksato> disable router dhcp server.
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[21:20] <boxmein> pksato: just thinking it through right now, will fiddle tomorrow
[21:21] <pksato> or configure router dhcpd to lease correct ips.
[21:22] <Bilby> Okay, next, get a browser working
[21:23] <Berg> what you gona use Bilby
[21:24] <alphakiller> boxmein: for me the best option (if it's possible) is to attach the 4G dongle to router and configure it to get internet connection from the dongle
[21:24] <boxmein> alphakiller: true, my home router has an USB port
[21:25] <boxmein> family doesn't let me steal it so I have to use the old wifi router at dorms
[21:25] <Bilby> prolly chromium since I know it will do full-screen and such
[21:25] <Berg> hmm
[21:25] <boxmein> yell "why not chrome" unless `dpkg -l | grep chromium-browser`
[21:25] <boxmein> legit ruby here
[21:26] <Bilby> hah
[21:26] <FlyingPersian> can I find it with a command which raspberry I have? not sure if it's b or b+..
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[21:27] <Cadid> Hi all
[21:28] <Bilby> FlyingPersian can you physically see it?
[21:28] <FlyingPersian> yeah but I'm too lazy to get up :D
[21:28] <FlyingPersian> I had too much to ea
[21:28] <FlyingPersian> t
[21:28] <Bilby> haha
[21:28] <alphakiller> boxmein: lol, so as I said before, if you like, you can attach the 4g dongle to pi for get internet access, and connect it to router via LAN, in wich way you can use the router as Access Point
[21:29] <alphakiller> in that way*
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[21:30] <Berg> too many cables
[21:31] <Berg> I connected my g4 dongle to the router and wifi to the pi
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[21:31] <Berg> then use remote desktop and sit at my pc to controll the world
[21:32] <FlyingPersian> cat /proc/version shows you which version of the Pi you are using.
[21:32] <FlyingPersian> not working though -.-
[21:33] <boxmein> alphakiller: I'll try ICS first thing tomorrow :p
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[21:33] <boxmein> alphakiller: also, if my raspbian has no NetworkManager how do I tell it to autoconnect via the dongle
[21:33] <boxmein> alphakiller: or will it magically do it itself
[21:34] <Mitsurugi> I'm looking for some help, i'm trying to set my PI with a HD to use it as a NAS but i'm having problems mounting the HD in the fstab, does anybody had a similar problems?
[21:35] <Mitsurugi> i can mount manual without problems, but seems that when i reboot, doesn't mount :s
[21:35] <alphakiller> boxmein: you can install it
[21:36] <boxmein> without an internet connection? :P
[21:37] <alphakiller> boxmein: that you can download the source or the binary from your notebook and via usb-pen copy it to pi and compile/install it
[21:38] <alphakiller> than*
[21:38] <FlyingPersian> is it possible that the b+ is too weak to run plex media server (just the server, not talking about streaming etc
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[21:41] <seriema> AlephTwo: the fun continues! https://www.dropbox.com/s/cvf6ua2kromr29p/2015-06-02%2021.33.21.jpg?dl=0
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[21:42] <AlephTwo> o/
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[21:42] <seriema> what's up with all the permission errors? shouldn't that have disappeared in the last attempt (when you copied the retropie partition in some other way)?
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[21:43] <ahop> seriema did you solve your yesterday's question?
[21:43] <seriema> ahop: which one? lol
[21:43] <ahop> the dual boot one :)
[21:43] <seriema> nope that's still going on
[21:43] <seriema> I encounter one problem after another with that
[21:43] <seriema> the latest: https://www.dropbox.com/s/cvf6ua2kromr29p/2015-06-02%2021.33.21.jpg?dl=0
[21:44] <AlephTwo> permission denied
[21:44] <ahop> Nice one :)
[21:44] <AlephTwo> check permission of .emulationstation folder
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[21:45] <AlephTwo> seriema: Can you throw them up onto imgur or similar next time? I hate drop box - it fucks with my security
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[21:46] <ahop> If someone can reproduce this: https://github.com/raspberrypi/linux/issues/994
[21:46] <ahop> this owuld be useful :)
[21:46] <ahop> Ok it's not a cool thing to do to reproduce such an error ;)
[21:46] <seriema> lol AlephTwo I'll try. all my phone photos get autouploaded to dropbox so it's easy to get a link to share =P
[21:47] <AlephTwo> Looks like it can't create directories in .emulationstation
[21:47] * seriema patents Berg invention and sues anyone trying to make one, then buries the patent
[21:48] <seriema> AlephTwo: yeah, why all the permission issues? I thought the initial ones was because of the way the partition was copied over before being tar'ed
[21:48] <AlephTwo> just have a look at who owns the /home/pi/.emulationstation folder & subfolders
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[21:50] <seriema> how? it doesn't boot in. can I do the same thing as before, I boot up raspbian and mount retropie?
[21:51] <AlephTwo> You could, yes
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[21:51] <AlephTwo> Not sure if you can edit noobs to drop into a single-user shell on the retropie :/
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[21:53] <Bilby> hmm, no fullscreen option in the chromium menu
[21:54] <AlephTwo> f11?
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[21:54] <Berg> chromiumn has no menu?
[21:54] <AlephTwo> Bilby: Have you tried to press F11?
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[21:54] <Berg> it has no file edit view etc
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[21:55] <Berg> try right click the top window bar
[21:55] <seriema> AlephTwo: hmm not sure how, so if booting raspbian and mounting retropie in it would work then I could do that
[21:56] <Bilby> I guess i should try the obvious first haha
[21:56] <AlephTwo> That will work
[21:56] <Berg> Im trying to find a voltage sensor for my 12v battery bank any suggestions?
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[21:57] <Berg> I seen the 5 times divider is resistor one but thats direrct connection bit scarey
[21:58] <Berg> http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_nkw=voltage%20sensor%20module&clk_rvr_id=840898506037&mfe=search
[21:58] <Berg> does raspbery have anything made for pi
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[22:00] <AlephTwo> Berg: http://asliceofraspberrypi.blogspot.gr/2013/10/measuring-dc-voltages-on-raspberry-pi.html Like that???
[22:00] <temmi_hoo> Berg: properly calculated resistor divider is the best and most reliable way
[22:01] <temmi_hoo> if you want to do it properly, you'll put an opamp in between the signal and raspi
[22:01] <temmi_hoo> that will both act as voltage scaling circuit (a kind of extended resistive divider) and also as a kind of sacrificial lamb that burns instead of the raspi
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[22:02] <AlephTwo> hehe
[22:02] <Berg> i like lambs
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[22:02] <AlephTwo> With a little mint sauce
[22:03] <AlephTwo> Or if you're Greek, with Lemon and lots of wine
[22:03] <temmi_hoo> if you want to utilize full scale of the ad converter and observe a limited scale of a voltage somewhere other than that of raspi internal voltage you'll need both scaling and shifting => one opamp and four resistors will do nicely
[22:03] <ppq> AlephTwo, or if you're french, with garlic and lots of red wine ;)
[22:04] <AlephTwo> Sound like some sort of bridge rectifier thingie to me
[22:04] <temmi_hoo> uh no?
[22:04] <temmi_hoo> :)
[22:04] <AlephTwo> My knowledge on actual electronics is poor. I mainly tinker with code & lego electrical bits together.
[22:04] <AlephTwo> ... Much to the chagrin of my more electrically minded friends
[22:04] <temmi_hoo> just a basic opamp on negative feedback
[22:05] <temmi_hoo> the canonical case of using an opamp is just this
[22:05] <AlephTwo> *cough*basic. Yep.
[22:05] <Berg> im learning
[22:05] <AlephTwo> I'd have to go dig out my old dusty electronics books :)
[22:06] <Berg> i sit on top of my vawt to get ideas but i get dizzy
[22:06] <AlephTwo> I wire stuff together & ask my friend "Is that ok?". He'll then take great pleasure in correcting me & explaining on the way :)
[22:06] <AlephTwo> Hmm. Time for Greek wine.
[22:06] <Berg> sen d me your friend
[22:06] <AlephTwo> He's Greek & doesn't travel well :/
[22:06] <Berg> im a bit afeared of inputting to the pi
[22:06] <AlephTwo> Took him to the UK once - he lost about 5Kg. Didn't like ANY of the food
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[22:07] <AlephTwo> Likes the food his mother makes & his wife makes.
[22:07] <seriema> AlephTwo: too tired today, will try again tomorrow. also, I'm picking up a second SD card so I'll give it one last chance but then it's dual disk for dual boot =)
[22:07] <temmi_hoo> horowitz-hill have a good section on opamp basic circuits
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[22:07] <AlephTwo> hehe
[22:07] <Berg> i will look temmi_hoo
[22:07] <temmi_hoo> just a few pages covering all of the basic forms including several applications and their analysis
[22:08] <schuc> Hi guys. I need to take a backup image of a Pi sd card. Do you just use Win32diskimager?
[22:08] <temmi_hoo> really, it is just +-*/ computations
[22:08] <temmi_hoo> not even calculus
[22:08] <AlephTwo> Berg: My solution would be to either buy, or look up schematics and badly-solder a device which would just give me a 0-3.3 v rage mapped to whatever external voltage.
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[22:08] <AlephTwo> I do it all in code
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[22:08] <AlephTwo> And pray nothing pops
[22:09] <Berg> i can do the code im sure i just wanted to see if there was a already made scensor
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[22:09] <Berg> i dont like the idea of soldering a car altinator to my pi
[22:09] <Berg> :)
[22:09] <AlephTwo> hehe
[22:09] <Berg> im joking
[22:10] <JK-47> Sweet. My USB crashcart adapter (vga to usb) works with the cheap Cable Matters HDMI to VGA
[22:10] <Berg> so i need to reduce the current and calc the input
[22:10] <Berg> have to do some homework here
[22:11] <temmi_hoo> you just measure the voltage
[22:11] <Berg> yep
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[22:11] <Berg> i have a 300ah battery bank to mo9initor
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[22:12] <schuc> I'll just use Win32DiskImager
[22:12] <ppq> Berg, maybe some kind of cheap USB ADC
[22:13] <Berg> i did look at some of that but ist main 5v max
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[22:15] <temmi_hoo> berg are you using the battery pack as 12V pack or more reasonable voltages such as 48V?
[22:15] <CanDoo> I am Borg
[22:15] <Berg> im using 12v pack
[22:15] <temmi_hoo> okay
[22:16] <asey> so why are you against a voltage divider setup to bring it down to 5v or less?
[22:16] <Berg> i have a solar system that puts out huge voltage and back to grid so i dont wona touch that yet
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[22:16] <Berg> i need to just watch a bank that i charge of a day time from 240v chargers
[22:18] <temmi_hoo> wth larger voltages the cable losses go down
[22:18] <Berg> the art of electronics
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[22:19] <temmi_hoo> that onw
[22:19] <temmi_hoo> s/w/e/
[22:19] <Berg> later when tesla start producing their 10k battery here in australia i will look to going direct to the batteries
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[22:20] <Berg> i think 2 years is the time frame
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[22:22] <Berg> asey: im not against that just finding out
[22:22] <asey> gotcha
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[22:31] <Mateon1> Hello, I'm having trouble installing pretty much any OS on the raspberry pi 2, right now I'm trying to get Raspbian going, but it seems to be stuck on one step. Clearing existing EBR. The progress bar is full, 100%, but it still displays this step. The speed is constantly going down, as if it wasn't actually doing any writes to the card but is still averaging the speed.
[22:32] <Mateon1> I formatted the SD card using the correct tool, there is no System Volume Information on the card - it was clear before copying NOOBS Lite files.
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[22:41] <Froolap> Ihave never seen the Clearing existing EBR...... I don't know what you are doing to get that message.
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[22:42] <JK-47> Viewing the console RPi output on a laptop in a window. http://twitter.com/JK47theweapon/status/605836638665596928/photo/1
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[22:43] <Mateon1> Froolap: Installing Raspbian off a 32GB SD card, with network access, from NOOBS Lite.
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[22:47] <Froolap> https://github.com/raspberrypi/noobs/issues/230
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[22:50] <Mateon1> Possibly related - how do I get to a terminal from a NOOBS boot? SHIFT for recovery mode makes the screen go black, and makes the pi blink the green light 7 times, then stop for a while, then 7 blinks again
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[22:52] <Froolap> the last line on that link I sent...... So this problem should be fixed by the time NOOBS v1.5 is released. In the meantime, you'll have to stick to using your 'fast' SD cards on your Pi1, or buy some 'slower' SD cards for use with your Pi2.
[22:52] <Mateon1> Well crap, both of them are 'fast'.
[22:53] <Berg> is your sd card broken Mateon1
[22:53] <Froolap> or maybe it's an issue with noobs.
[22:53] <Mateon1> Berg: I tried copying 5 gigs worth of files onto the SD card, they were fine upon removing and reinserting the card to another computer
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[22:54] <Froolap> I've not seen that error on my rpi2b but then I'm running fedora. never tried noobs, and the pidora image won't boot on the rpi2b
[22:54] <Mateon1> The card is 30GB according to Windows, and labelled 32GB
[22:54] <Berg> is there a trash bin hidden on your card?
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[22:54] <Mateon1> Nope, no System Volume Information either. I formatted it with the SDFormatter tool
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[22:55] <Froolap> when are you getting this error? is it during format//// when you try to write the os to the card....... during bootup????
[22:55] <Berg> well im out of ideaS
[22:56] <Berg> i only ever have 2 a day
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[22:58] <Mateon1> Oh, hold on a second, it went through the step but shown an error box
[22:58] <Mateon1> Froolap: While installing any OS
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[23:00] <Mateon1> Error creating file system ; mkfs.fat: warning - lowercase labels might not work properly with DOS or Windows ; mkfs.fat: failed whilst writing FAT ; mkfs.fat 3.0.26 (2014-03-07)
[23:00] <Froolap> how are you writing the os to the card?
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[23:01] <Mateon1> After formatting with SDFormatter, I copy the contents of the Noobs Lite .zip onto the SD card
[23:01] <ShorTie> what happens if you scrub noobs and just write an image to the sdcard ??
[23:02] <Mateon1> Writing the experimental Windows 10 image worked - it booted fine, but was pretty laggy and there wasn't much too look at.
[23:02] <ShorTie> what about the raspbian image i mean ??
[23:03] <Froolap> how are you copying the noobs to the sd card?
[23:03] <Mateon1> I don't have one, didn't find an image
[23:03] <Froolap> http://sourceforge.net/projects/win32diskimager/
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[23:03] <Mateon1> Froolap: I have WinRAR, I drag the files from the zipped folder onto the drive in Windows Explorer
[23:03] <ShorTie> http://downloads.raspberrypi.org/raspbian_latest
[23:03] <Froolap> that won't work
[23:04] <Berg> :)
[23:04] <k_j> what's a cheap and good hdmi monitor with audio full hd?
[23:04] <ShorTie> it should for noobs stuff
[23:04] <DANtheBEASTman> hi all, i have the RPi2 B+ and an external HDD that is powered by USB (i guess it's passive?), but I can't get the Pi to read it.. is it because it needs power? i'm getting this from dmesg http://sprunge.us/iLZA
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[23:05] <AlephTwo> yup
[23:05] <JK-47> put it on a powered usb hub.
[23:05] <Froolap> Mateon1:it's not enough to just copy the contents of the zip file onto the sd card.......
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[23:05] <ShorTie> it is for noobs
[23:06] <Mateon1> Froolap: Well, what should I do instead?
[23:06] <k_j> any idea?
[23:06] <Froolap> http://sourceforge.net/projects/win32diskimager/
[23:06] <ShorTie> noobs is not a image
[23:06] <Froolap> https://www.raspberrypi.org/documentation/installation/installing-images/windows.md
[23:07] <Froolap> he said ANY image was giving him problems.
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[23:07] <Mateon1> Froolap: https://www.raspberrypi.org/help/noobs-setup/ This guide states drag and dropping the extracted files is fine, this is the official raspberry site, so if that's the problem that might need to be corrected
[23:07] <ShorTie> from with in noobs
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[23:08] <ShorTie> that is why i said grab the latest image and use win32diskimager to write it to the sdcard
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[23:08] <Mateon1> Also, NOOBS is booting fine by itself - it fails to install any OS
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[23:08] <ShorTie> or suggested it i guess
[23:09] <DANtheBEASTman> JK-47: any suggestions?
[23:10] <JK-47> really any that provide external power will be fine
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[23:11] <DANtheBEASTman> could I also use that to power the pi itself?
[23:11] <JK-47> yes
[23:11] <JK-47> if its high enough output
[23:11] <DANtheBEASTman> sweet. thanks
[23:11] <Mateon1> I'll try imaging Raspbian itself with the disk imaging toolk you guys linked, I'm trying to get any actual OS running right now, but my final goal is Arch Linux
[23:11] <JK-47> dan see if any have ports for charging as well.
[23:12] <JK-47> use the charger ports for pi. the other port for the external hd
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[23:12] <Scunizi> I have 2 pi's, both set for static IP's (0.101 & 0.102) Both have the original /etc/network/interface enties commented out wtih # and have been rebooted. Yet both are *also* getting a dhcp assigned ip from the router. This mystifies me. Fresh installs w/ no mods other than running / off a usb stick
[23:12] <ShorTie> what an old arch image ??
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[23:13] <ShorTie> http://downloads.raspberrypi.org/arch/images/
[23:13] <Scunizi> DANtheBEASTman: did you mount the external drive. I didn't see anyone mention that yet.
[23:14] <ShorTie> oops, arch has later
[23:14] <methuzla> Scunizi what os?
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[23:14] <Scunizi> methuzla: stock rasbian
[23:14] <DANtheBEASTman> Scunizi: I can't. it doesn't show up on lsblk or anything
[23:14] <Scunizi> DANtheBEASTman: ah. then they are probably correct and its a power issue
[23:15] <methuzla> Scunizi pastebin your current /etc/network/interface
[23:15] <Scunizi> k
[23:15] <Kryczek> Scunizi: how are the static IPs set? often it's Network-Manager
[23:15] <DANtheBEASTman> Mateon1: what OS are you using at the moment to run irc, and what model rpi do you have
[23:15] <DANtheBEASTman> forgive me if you said this already
[23:16] <Scunizi> Kryczek: I'm doing everything at cli. no gui..
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[23:16] <Scunizi> methuzla: iface eth0 inet static
[23:16] <Scunizi> address 192.168.0.101
[23:16] <Scunizi> netmask 255.255.255.0
[23:16] <Scunizi> network 192.168.0.0
[23:16] <Mateon1> DANtheBEASTman: I'm running Windows 7 on this machine, my RPI is a pi 2 model B 1GB
[23:17] <Scunizi> methuzla: http://paste.debian.net/195791/
[23:17] <Scunizi> sorry for the multi line paste.... unintentional
[23:17] <Kryczek> Scunizi: I think the lines after iface need tabs
[23:17] <Mateon1> I'm running IRC through a bouncer on a Raspberry pi B+ that has Arch installed and working properly
[23:17] <DANtheBEASTman> Mateon1: hmmm I don't windows so I don't know how to do the windows equivalent of `dd`.. wait do you have a spare USB drive that you can boot from?
[23:17] <Froolap> you might set the static ip on the pi, but that doesn't stop dhcp from getting a different ip from the router. the router and pi kind of need to agree on an ip.
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[23:18] <methuzla> Scunizi are you running just command line or using a GUI?
[23:18] <Scunizi> Kryczek: really? I thoght white space was enough.
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[23:18] <Scunizi> methuzla: cli
[23:18] <Mateon1> I do have a USB drive, I could copy stuff off of it and live boot
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[23:19] <Kryczek> Scunizi: hrm I might be mixing up with Makefile's but I meant " address" etc instead of having everything at the start of the line
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[23:19] <DANtheBEASTman> Mateon1: ok, so, if you can get booted into a linux machine that you can mount your SD card on, I don't see why you can't `dd` the iso to the SD. have you tried that?
[23:20] <Mateon1> Is there a chance linux will see a SD card inserted into a SD slot on a USB printer?
[23:20] <Scunizi> Kryczek: you mean a tab indent for everything after "iface eth0 inet static"?
[23:20] <DANtheBEASTman> Mateon1: probably not
[23:20] <Mateon1> Well, then I probably can't do so
[23:21] <DANtheBEASTman> Mateon1: you can't make a bootable linux USB?
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[23:22] <Berg> ok bragging about my relays etc they staying active when power is low something wrong with hardware
[23:22] * Berg stops bragging
[23:22] <methuzla> Scunizi "man interfaces" -> Options are usually indented for clarity but are not required to be.
[23:23] <methuzla> Scunizi so your file should be OK
[23:23] <Scunizi> methuzla: thanks .. that's what I was thinking.
[23:23] <Mateon1> DANtheBEASTman: I can, but I won't be able to see the SD card to dd to it
[23:23] <DANtheBEASTman> Mateon1: why do you say that
[23:23] <methuzla> Scunizi what happens if you do an ifdown eth0 follow by an ifup eth0?
[23:23] <DANtheBEASTman> Mateon1: forgive all the questions just trying to understand your situation
[23:24] <Scunizi> methuzla: I loose my ssh connection :)
[23:24] <methuzla> ah
[23:24] <Kryczek> Scunizi: yes
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[23:24] <methuzla> the ole how-to-trouble-shoot-network-while-using-network issue
[23:25] <Scunizi> methuzla: Kryczek ifconfig only reports *one* ip address.. the static one I assigned.. yet I can ssh into the static or dhcp address at the same time. weird
[23:25] <Scunizi> or = and
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[23:26] <methuzla> Scunizi are you sure what you ssh into at the dhcp address is the same thing?
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[23:27] <Scunizi> methuzla: yep.. one rpi is called rasp-1 and the other is default. If I have 2 terminals open each logged in with a unique ip, I can 'touch' a file in one and ls it in the other.
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[23:28] <Scunizi> methuzla: good thought though. I actually doubted it myself until tested.
[23:29] <methuzla> Scunizi how did you determine the dhcp address?
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[23:29] <Scunizi> Perhaps the router is identifying them by mac address.. I should probably try shutting down the pi's and refresh the router and see what happens..
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[23:31] <Scunizi> methuzla: although the pi's are hardwired to the network I do have them using the AC line adaptors for that connection.. ie. one adaptor connected to the router and AC. the other adaptors just plugged into an AC device. the LAN flows through the AC wiring to the devices.
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[23:31] <asey> that web irc client was terrible.
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[23:32] <Scunizi> Thanks all.. the mystery persists but I have to afk for a while.
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[23:33] <methuzla> Scunizi good luck, nothing obviously wrong with your interface file
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[23:37] <Mateon1> DANtheBEASTman: I'm sorry, I didn't notice your message, I've been trying to get an IRC client set up on my laptop, but failing. Anyways, waiting while the Raspbian image downloads
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[23:58] <Berg> i loaded noob on a card and it ran first off and i installed rapbian with it
[23:58] <Berg> i was so happy
[23:58] <Berg> ok i replaced my jammed relay
[23:58] <Berg> cheap stuff
[23:59] <Berg> will buy better quality toimorrow
[23:59] <Froolap> how did you install ratbrain?
[23:59] <Berg> i used noobs
[23:59] <Froolap> giggle

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