#raspberrypi IRC Log


IRC Log for 2015-06-03

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[0:00] <Berg> its sad days my relay lasted one day and then it jammed in the on position
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[0:00] <Berg> i was very upset i nearly cried
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[0:00] <Froolap> did you oil the relay?
[0:00] <Berg> so $1.50 relays are not reliable
[0:01] <Berg> nope
[0:01] <Berg> you cant oil it
[0:01] <Berg> it has no filler cap
[0:01] <Froolap> lol
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[0:02] <Froolap> soak it in a jar of wd40, it will either work or explode the next time you use it
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[0:02] <Berg> i can imagine
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[0:02] <Froolap> providing that it doesn't melt in wd40, of course
[0:02] <Berg> you in USA Froolap
[0:02] <Froolap> yup
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[0:03] <Berg> we3 got wb40 here to amazing they call it the same thing
[0:03] <Berg> b for brain
[0:03] <Froolap> heh
[0:03] <ShorTie> finger nail polish remover is better to get rusty bolts loose anyways
[0:03] <Berg> i sometimes find things i expect to be the same have different names there and no one understands me
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[0:04] <ShorTie> wd40 snucks
[0:04] <Berg> do you wear a dress when applying it?
[0:04] <Froolap> ShorTie: my dad just used my mom's coffee.
[0:04] <Berg> hehehe
[0:04] <ShorTie> no, lol.
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[0:04] <ShorTie> no really, the acatone in it desolves the rust
[0:05] <ShorTie> acetone
[0:05] <Berg> i saw another board called a odroid any optinions on thaT ONE?
[0:05] <ShorTie> look it up, you will find best penatrating oil is a 50/50 mix of acetone and automatic transmission fluid
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[0:06] <Berg> desiel
[0:06] <Berg> i use anything handy
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[0:06] <Berg> hammers are good
[0:06] <Berg> oxy torch
[0:06] <Berg> scream at it
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[0:06] <Berg> crying has no effect
[0:07] <Berg> :)
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[0:07] <ShorTie> heat wrench is good, but you don't always want the heat
[0:07] <Berg> its a plastic box the relay
[0:07] <ShorTie> kinda burns seals up
[0:07] <Froolap> when I am gone, all of these moments in time... will be lost.....
[0:07] <Berg> nice blue colour
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[0:07] <Berg> dont go
[0:08] * Berg thinks Froolap is realy doctor who
[0:08] <Froolap> Roy Batty
[0:08] <methuzla> time enough?
[0:08] <Berg> the fifa president?
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[0:09] <Berg> heheh he resigned too funny
[0:09] <Froolap> blade runner
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[0:27] <AlephTwo> Anybody worked with a bus pirate?
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[0:42] <Encapsulation> its dead in here
[0:42] <Encapsulation> anyone working on cool projects
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[0:43] <AlephTwo> Tinkering with arduino & serial interfaces with sensors, etc. Waiting for new micro servos after I killed my previous
[0:43] <AlephTwo> at 01:43!!
[0:44] <AlephTwo> Contemplating a bunch of arduino nano clones and some oled displays (and a bus pirate, but that's for other fun)
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[0:45] <AlephTwo> 40UKP ebay purchase sitting there whilst I contemplate...
[0:45] <Encapsulation> I've got 4 nano clones and an oled in the mail now xD
[0:45] <Encapsulation> ebay
[0:45] <Encapsulation> haha
[0:45] <AlephTwo> Cheap as chips at the moment aren't they
[0:45] <Encapsulation> its unbelievable
[0:45] <Encapsulation> 10 dollars free shipping
[0:45] <Encapsulation> ffor all 4
[0:46] <AlephTwo> 12$ for 5 duinos, 8$ for 2 oleds. The most expensive thing is the bus pirate
[0:46] <AlephTwo> (and I have an isp programmer, so I may be able to skip bp for now and play with jtag rooting my home electronics)
[0:46] <Encapsulation> Ive never heard of the bus pirate I'm reading about it now
[0:46] <Encapsulation> what is your plan for the nanos
[0:47] <AlephTwo> I think I ordered one of these. I hope it is: https://greatscottgadgets.com/hackrf/
[0:47] <AlephTwo> Give two away as gifts. Two with screens for status displays I think and just messing with signals & i2c led strings, etc.
[0:47] <AlephTwo> Although I think one screen will go away.
[0:47] <Encapsulation> that rf box looks nuts
[0:48] <AlephTwo> Indeed.
[0:48] <AlephTwo> My cheapo sdr won't cut the mustard. I want to get into 5Gig range.
[0:48] <Encapsulation> hook that up to an amp and get in all sorts of trouble
[0:48] <AlephTwo> I'm on the receiving end for the moment. no immediate plans to acquire HAM license
[0:49] <Encapsulation> 1 mhz to 6ghz
[0:49] <Encapsulation> thats a huge range isnt it
[0:49] <AlephTwo> (US, so probably everywhere. I think you get up to 12KW transmit power as a HAM, but it could be 1.2KW)
[0:49] <AlephTwo> Yes
[0:49] <asey> I've got pcb's out to OSH Park for a canbus hat to run a pi in my BMW E60
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[0:49] <AlephTwo> Kwl. Add a bluetooth interface
[0:50] <Encapsulation> asey, whats the pi going to do in the car?
[0:50] <AlephTwo> Log data
[0:50] <asey> Replace the factory nav
[0:50] <asey> and stereo
[0:50] <AlephTwo> Suffer mad power surges
[0:50] <NedScott> who is driving
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[0:50] <AlephTwo> the pi
[0:50] <NedScott> omg pi is driving
[0:50] <asey> hah
[0:50] <NedScott> how can this be
[0:50] <asey> no
[0:50] <AlephTwo> You "could" do it. Although how safe...
[0:50] <asey> I've spent >$1,000 on 3 CCC units for the E60
[0:50] <NedScott> everybody dancing
[0:51] <asey> I decided I'm just gonna put in something else.
[0:51] <asey> the CCC units fail often.
[0:51] <AlephTwo> ccc?
[0:51] <asey> the Nav/Media/iDrive controller.
[0:51] <AlephTwo> That sounds like car talk
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[0:51] <asey> eh
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[0:51] <asey> it's pi talk if I can get a working canbus setup :)
[0:51] <AlephTwo> Yay. Data logging in python!!
[0:52] <AlephTwo> Put in giro also to sense tilt :)
[0:52] <asey> i won't be logging any data
[0:52] <asey> canbus is for controlling car modules
[0:52] <asey> and intercepting input from steering wheel/idrive interface
[0:53] <AlephTwo> Yeah, but you can pipe excellent data from it
[0:53] <asey> i could
[0:53] <AlephTwo> Drop it in a sql database
[0:53] <AlephTwo> pretty graphs
[0:53] <asey> but i don't really want/need to log any data
[0:53] <AlephTwo> analyse corners
[0:53] <AlephTwo> geek out
[0:53] <asey> and i wouldnt do it in python if i did :P
[0:53] <AlephTwo> cobol?
[0:53] <asey> close
[0:54] <AlephTwo> fortran?
[0:54] <asey> a mix of perl and C
[0:54] <AlephTwo> brainfuck?
[0:54] <AlephTwo> perl!?!?
[0:54] <asey> i'm a crusty perl guy.
[0:54] <AlephTwo> :D
[0:54] <AlephTwo> At least you didn't say php
[0:54] <asey> Well, I use php for some things
[0:54] <asey> but nothing that doesn't involve generic web crap
[0:55] <AlephTwo> "Yeah, I have my security going through this javascript applet and it's all really safe"
[0:55] <AlephTwo> :)
[0:55] <asey> I've used node as well
[0:55] <Encapsulation> speaking of the pi driving
[0:55] <Encapsulation> I've been thinkling about doing that
[0:55] <asey> Sadly, I like it.
[0:55] <Encapsulation> with my vehicle
[0:55] <AlephTwo> node is entertaining
[0:55] <Encapsulation> either remote or autonomous control
[0:55] <Encapsulation> they sell lidar at sparkffun and I have several ultrasonic modules
[0:55] <Encapsulation> I have the tech to do it... but will it be safe
[0:55] <AlephTwo> Encapsulation: with the pi compute module, you can fit two cameras with onboard motion/object detection to do a large amount of grunt
[0:56] <asey> heh
[0:56] <lala> Can a Raspberry Pi be used to make a robot?
[0:56] * Encapsulation goes to look up pi compute
[0:56] <Encapsulation> absolutely
[0:56] <AlephTwo> It can be used to control one
[0:56] <lala> Oh okay.
[0:56] <asey> can flour be used to make a meal?
[0:56] <Encapsulation> lol
[0:56] <AlephTwo> $90 :/
[0:56] <AlephTwo> Flour is meal
[0:56] <asey> well
[0:56] <Encapsulation> har har
[0:56] <asey> yes
[0:56] <AlephTwo> :P
[0:57] <Encapsulation> ytou know would be a profitiable use of rpi
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[0:57] <AlephTwo> If that thing wasn't $90, I'd be very tempted
[0:57] <Encapsulation> canbus... can you access obd through there
[0:57] <asey> no
[0:57] <AlephTwo> Indeed
[0:57] <asey> obd is a different bus
[0:57] <Encapsulation> ah
[0:57] <Encapsulation> obd is confusing
[0:57] <asey> but very similar
[0:57] <AlephTwo> Hmm. But there is an obd port
[0:57] <Encapsulation> I was trying to understand the system
[0:57] <AlephTwo> And obd bluetooth dongles.
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[0:57] <Encapsulation> if you could put an rpi inline sending the right data
[0:57] <Encapsulation> you could sacve a lot of headaches
[0:57] <Encapsulation> =D
[0:57] <asey> BMW happens to have another canbus that sends performance data
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[0:58] <Encapsulation> ah
[0:58] <asey> but there are to serial adapters
[0:58] <Encapsulation> beyond what youi would normally find?
[0:58] <asey> er, obd to serial
[0:58] <AlephTwo> Sounds easy then
[0:58] <asey> obd is very generic as it's a cross-manufacturer spec
[0:58] <AlephTwo> asey: "cross-manufacturer"
[0:58] <asey> yes
[0:58] <asey> obd is obd
[0:59] <asey> bmw, ford, audi
[0:59] <AlephTwo> as in. They all have their own interfaces, and they are mashed together in that shitty obd protocol
[0:59] <asey> it's a standard, and a terse one
[0:59] <asey> nah
[0:59] <AlephTwo> https://github.com/EricSmekens/node-serial-obd
[0:59] <AlephTwo> Well that was easy
[0:59] <asey> you can buy a $60 obd scantool that'll read almost every obd-ii compliant car out there
[0:59] <AlephTwo> Nice
[0:59] <asey> but the data you get is pretty generic
[0:59] <Encapsulation> wait
[0:59] <Encapsulation> ..
[0:59] <Encapsulation> I have that bluetooth module
[1:00] <Encapsulation> can you write data to the computer
[1:00] <Encapsulation> I need to override the state of some sensors
[1:00] <AlephTwo> You can write to the port
[1:00] <asey> specifically, bmw has an internal canbus (the pt-can) that has things like temperature sensors, individual wheel speeds, motor rpm, etc
[1:00] <Encapsulation> for science, of course
[1:00] <AlephTwo> write(message, replies)
[1:00] <AlephTwo> Writes a message to the port. (Queued!) All write functions call this function.
[1:00] <AlephTwo> Params:
[1:00] <AlephTwo> string message The PID or AT Command you want to send. Without \r or \n!
[1:00] <AlephTwo> number replies The number of replies that are expected. Default = 0. 0 --> infinite
[1:00] <AlephTwo> string name Look into obdInfo.js for all PIDS.
[1:00] <AlephTwo> etc...
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[1:01] <AlephTwo> So if you know the at commands and the right thing to say, then probably
[1:01] <Encapsulation> are there published details
[1:01] <asey> about obd?
[1:01] <asey> or pt-can
[1:01] <Encapsulation> of the communication that occurs between inspection computer and obd computer
[1:01] <AlephTwo> obd-node library
[1:01] <asey> yes
[1:01] <asey> obd-ii is a published standard
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[1:02] <AlephTwo> But I believe that you can reset some fault flags, in some cars, in some cases. But heresay only
[1:02] <asey> yes you can
[1:02] <asey> obd-ii provides error traps that can be reset
[1:02] <Encapsulation> resetting the fault fdlags isnt enough
[1:02] <asey> but in more .. complicated vehicles, they don't really reset internal codes
[1:02] <asey> just the obd ones.
[1:02] <asey> what is it you want
[1:03] <Encapsulation> it probably cant be done
[1:03] <AlephTwo> So you can get that annoying "check engine" light turned off without that pesky, expensive garage visit
[1:03] <asey> well, explain what you want
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[1:03] <AlephTwo> asey: You know much more than me on this subject.
[1:03] <Encapsulation> turning off the check engine light isnt enough
[1:03] <Encapsulation> to actually pass
[1:03] <Encapsulation> it will still fail
[1:03] <asey> fail what? an inspection?
[1:03] <Encapsulation> I was in this sitatuion recently
[1:03] <Encapsulation> I fixed it and passed
[1:03] <Encapsulation> but yes
[1:04] <Encapsulation> there is a decice I saw
[1:04] <asey> Depends on the depth of the inspection but okay
[1:04] <Encapsulation> it goes inline and sends pass data
[1:04] <Encapsulation> I wonder if rpi could accomplish something similar
[1:04] <AlephTwo> I hear that car m/f are trying to get all vehicles locked down under dmca. Saying you don't actually own the car.
[1:04] <asey> you could theoretically attach say, an arduino to your ODB port on the vehicle side
[1:04] <asey> and send fake data.
[1:04] <Encapsulation> yes
[1:04] <Encapsulation> but what data would need to be sent
[1:04] <asey> but
[1:04] <Encapsulation> theoretically I mean
[1:05] <Encapsulation> is that all in the published standard?
[1:05] <asey> you'd need case info for what they're inspecting for
[1:05] <AlephTwo> theoretically, you'd hook it up to a happy car and see what it sends
[1:05] <Encapsulation> then you need an in with the garage
[1:05] <AlephTwo> Then try a replay attack
[1:05] <Encapsulation> they have the computer that talks to it
[1:05] <asey> valid data will be different based on your location
[1:05] <Encapsulation> then you could sniff it hmm
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[1:05] <asey> if you whipped up something that responded to obd requests validly
[1:05] <asey> with good data
[1:06] <asey> you wouldnt need an "in" anywhere
[1:06] <Encapsulation> that would require seeing the detials of how the conversation works
[1:06] <asey> hide the device in the dash
[1:06] <Encapsulation> between the computers
[1:06] <asey> sigh
[1:06] <AlephTwo> If you wanted to learn GNURadio, you could decode all protocols (and there's probably blocks already available)
[1:06] <asey> it's a published spec, man
[1:07] <Encapsulation> I'll read up on it
[1:07] <Encapsulation> this is interesting
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[1:07] <asey> it's just a data bus
[1:08] <asey> figure out which bus your vehicle implements (there are 5 valid protocols)
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[1:08] <asey> hardware it up
[1:10] <asey> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OBD-II_PIDs
[1:10] <asey> there you go
[1:10] <asey> :)
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[1:17] <kayatwork> Encapsulation, I kinda think that trying to adequately fake the data needed: http://www.nhinspect.com/whatToExpect.html would far exceed the cost in time of just fixing the car to pass on its own.
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[1:18] <asey> most definitely
[1:18] <asey> implementing a firmware to respond to anything they might check would not exactly be an evening project.
[1:18] <kayatwork> and fixing the car does not run the risk of a felony.
[1:18] <Encapsulation> thats probably true, I was mostly curious from an academic standpoint
[1:19] <Berg> make it pass a drug test?
[1:19] <kayatwork> IIRC OBD II is CAN, so there should be stuff around to read it easy.
[1:19] <asey> yeah
[1:19] <asey> we already talked about that part
[1:20] <asey> it's not really a can
[1:20] <asey> but it's a data bus
[1:20] <asey> at least as implemented by most. some mfg's certainly have CANs accessible on the obd-ii connector.
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[1:22] <kayatwork> yeah, I saw the part about GNU Radio ansd was wondering what was going on with the discussion.... Ive also run across this before: http://www.obdtester.com/pyobd
[1:22] <kayatwork> and theres 5 protocols that can be used: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/On-board_diagnostics#OBD-II_signal_protocols
[1:23] <asey> yeah
[1:23] <kayatwork> and I generally stay out of it because I have a friend that deals with such things. I deal with crazy stuff like MDC1200
[1:23] <asey> after 2008 though, the choices to be compliant became less
[1:23] <asey> :)
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[1:25] <asey> in fact, it has to be CAN for 08+ vehicles in the US.
[1:25] <asey> anyhow
[1:25] <asey> it's a fun hardware hack
[1:25] * ozzzy_ just lets his android tablet talk to the car
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[1:25] <asey> how does your tablet talk to the car
[1:25] <ozzzy_> odb2/bluetooth thingy
[1:26] <asey> well
[1:26] <asey> you're talking about the same idea
[1:26] <asey> except you've used a commercial product.
[1:26] <ozzzy_> yeah... but I want something that works [grin]
[1:26] <asey> that wouldnt work for my project
[1:26] <ozzzy_> I just need a couple of gauges
[1:27] <asey> yeah
[1:27] <asey> obd is great for guages
[1:27] <asey> not so great for steering wheel controls :)
[1:27] <ozzzy_> nope
[1:28] <ozzzy_> but with the new electro-mechanical steering the heavy lifting is done
[1:28] <ozzzy_> you just need into the car's data bus
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[1:28] <asey> which is exactly what i'm talking about
[1:28] <asey> but not physical steering controls
[1:28] <ozzzy_> which isn't the CAN bus
[1:28] <asey> buttons on the wheel
[1:28] <asey> in my vehicle, it's a CAN bus.
[1:28] <Encapsulation> I need physical steering controls
[1:28] <asey> maybe not yours.
[1:28] <ozzzy_> mine has no electro-mechanical steering
[1:29] <Encapsulation> I want to make my vehicle self driving
[1:29] <Encapsulation> with rpi
[1:29] <asey> you could make it self driving, but it'd probably self crash pretty quickly.
[1:29] <asey> :)
[1:29] <Encapsulation> I've got ultrasonic sensors
[1:29] <Encapsulation> gps module
[1:29] <Encapsulation> and they have lidar on sparkfun
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[1:30] <asey> i wouldnt consider any of those ready for something moving at a high wrate of speed weighing over 2 tons
[1:30] <ozzzy_> we had a lidar at work
[1:31] <Encapsulation> https://www.sparkfun.com/products/13167
[1:31] <asey> not to mention, you'll need some nice servo work to manage the steering.
[1:31] <Encapsulation> 40 meter range
[1:31] <Encapsulation> I can get the servos
[1:31] <asey> accuracy
[1:31] <Encapsulation> I found a store with lots of surplus
[1:31] <Encapsulation> its crazy actually
[1:31] <asey> not the range, accuracy
[1:31] <Encapsulation> dirt cheap motors
[1:31] <ozzzy_> if the car is capable you don't need the servos....
[1:31] <asey> most cars cannot steer without human input
[1:31] <Encapsulation> it would have to be modified
[1:32] <ozzzy_> all humans do is provide control input... you can do that with an arduino
[1:32] <Encapsulation> yes
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[1:32] <Encapsulation> and 2 ultrasonic modules and a gps
[1:32] <Encapsulation> pretty much as good as a human
[1:32] <asey> only if you have drive by wire
[1:32] <ozzzy_> tell that to google
[1:32] <ozzzy_> they appear to disagree with you
[1:33] <ozzzy_> standard gps is nowhere near accuate enough
[1:33] <Encapsulation> I dont have drive by wire
[1:33] <AlephTwo> google have drive by wire.
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[1:33] <ozzzy_> yep
[1:33] <asey> they select cars that contain drive by wire
[1:33] <AlephTwo> You have drive by servo
[1:33] <AlephTwo> when you attach them
[1:33] <Encapsulation> nothing wrong with that though
[1:33] <ozzzy_> I have drive by human
[1:33] <Encapsulation> and linear actuator ?
[1:33] <Encapsulation> for the pedal
[1:33] <Encapsulation> could that respond quickly enough
[1:33] <asey> drive by wire is definitely prevalent, but it's nowhere near a significant portion of vehicles on the road.
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[1:34] <AlephTwo> Does the accelerator use physical input to the engine or isn't it some sort of modulated signal?
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[1:34] <AlephTwo> i.e. Can you bypass that directly?
[1:34] <asey> and i'm taking a leap by assuming somebody willing to tackle a self driving car with a rpi probably isn't going to be using a newer, more expensive vehicle to test with.
[1:34] <ozzzy_> cars over 5 years old should be so heavily taxed that it's cheaper to buy new ones
[1:34] <asey> why?
[1:34] <asey> consumerism?
[1:34] <ozzzy_> that way you always have safer cars on the road
[1:34] <asey> my 11 year old car drives just fine, thank you.
[1:34] <AlephTwo> Cars over 27 (I think) in the UK are road tax exempt
[1:35] <AlephTwo> "Antique"
[1:35] <AlephTwo> or "classic"
[1:35] <Encapsulation> prius is drive by wire gas pedal
[1:35] <Encapsulation> and some hybrid system on the brakes I think
[1:35] <ozzzy_> my yaris was drive by wire gas pedal
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[1:35] <asey> in fact, my 11 year old car is probably still safer than a lot of the econoboxes sold today
[1:35] <AlephTwo> asey: yaris?
[1:35] <asey> no
[1:35] <AlephTwo> ah
[1:35] <asey> i drive a 545i
[1:35] <AlephTwo> yaris is a very safe car apparently
[1:36] <ozzzy_> now I drive a Ram 1500
[1:36] <AlephTwo> Ram. An australian car?
[1:36] <ozzzy_> nope
[1:36] <asey> american truck
[1:36] <AlephTwo> American?
[1:36] <AlephTwo> ah
[1:36] <ozzzy_> american truck
[1:36] <Encapsulation> I need to communicate witht he vehicle over a constant radio link
[1:36] <Encapsulation> range up to 10 miles
[1:36] <AlephTwo> Sounded something like that.
[1:36] <Encapsulation> I can't rely on 3g or wifi
[1:37] <kayatwork> you cant rely on anything.
[1:37] <Encapsulation> I need that box he posted earlier
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[1:37] <AlephTwo> http://www.csgshop.com/product.php?id_product=86 ?
[1:37] <Encapsulation> https://greatscottgadgets.com/hackrf/
[1:37] <kayatwork> your radio link cant be a criticality 1 component
[1:37] <AlephTwo> It's not what I'm looking for, but there is a long-range low-power rf module around
[1:37] <ozzzy_> you need multi-path redundancy
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[1:38] <Encapsulation> that board looks pretty good
[1:38] <AlephTwo> It was fairly wideband frequency hopping, etc. Nice bit of kit if I remember. Had a nice serial interface to it
[1:38] <Encapsulation> ~5-10 miles would be good
[1:38] <Encapsulation> a serial interface..
[1:38] <Encapsulation> this seems daunting
[1:38] <kayatwork> thats because it is
[1:38] <Encapsulation> to communicate with a device wirelessly
[1:38] <Encapsulation> I would need two applications
[1:39] <Encapsulation> one on laptop the other on the pi in vehicle
[1:39] <asey> well, yes
[1:39] <Encapsulation> and then maybe its not too bad
[1:39] <Encapsulation> there is porbably an existing library
[1:39] <Encapsulation> for exchanging data
[1:39] <Encapsulation> then I just need to write the code to use it
[1:39] <AlephTwo> https://www.sparkfun.com/pages/wireless_guide may help
[1:39] <Encapsulation> I can write my own control protocl essentially
[1:39] <AlephTwo> You could use cellular
[1:39] <Encapsulation> I could?
[1:39] <AlephTwo> gprs module
[1:40] <asey> what's the rpi end doing?
[1:40] <AlephTwo> set up a data connection & pipe through that. Could be expensive depending upon SIM package, etc.
[1:40] <AlephTwo> Wired to t'internet and talking to gprs
[1:40] <AlephTwo> whatever you want.
[1:40] <Encapsulation> asey, controlling the vehicle
[1:40] <Encapsulation> or yeah, anything I want
[1:40] <Encapsulation> this is something I need to do
[1:40] <asey> i wouldn't be using a rpi
[1:41] <AlephTwo> If you want long range communication, then that would probably be the best, although you are reliant on cellular coverage
[1:41] <asey> you'll want something that's a little more raltime
[1:41] <asey> realtime
[1:41] <Encapsulation> arduino nanos connected to soil moisture sensors communicating over rf reporting to an rpi
[1:41] <kayatwork> beagle bone black
[1:41] <Encapsulation> which controls a network of irrigation lines with solenoids
[1:41] <Encapsulation> etc
[1:41] <Encapsulation> many applicaitons
[1:41] <Encapsulation> I really want to learn wireless communication asap
[1:41] <AlephTwo> http://www.digi.com/products/wireless-wired-embedded-solutions/zigbee-rf-modules/point-multipoint-rfmodules/xtend-module
[1:41] <AlephTwo> 900ms upto 40 miles
[1:41] <asey> yes, i understand that wireless has many applications
[1:41] <AlephTwo> MHz*
[1:41] <asey> but the hardware needs to be chosen for the specific application
[1:42] <Encapsulation> I need fairly long range
[1:42] <asey> ie, don't use a rpi to control a vehicle that may be on public roads.
[1:42] <Encapsulation> low latency
[1:42] <Encapsulation> has it been done I wonder
[1:42] <Encapsulation> I should start there
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[1:42] <Encapsulation> instead of reinventing the wheel
[1:42] <asey> there's all sorts of autonav projects for drones, etc.
[1:43] <Encapsulation> but for a vehicle
[1:43] <AlephTwo> Found a price for that laast rf module after some digging: http://www.digikey.com/product-search/en?wt.z_cid=ref_hearst_0211_buynow&site=us&mpart=XT09-SI-NA&v=602 $180
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[1:43] <Encapsulation> could this be the first rpi powered self driving vehicle!?
[1:43] <asey> like i said
[1:43] <asey> the rpi is a bad choice
[1:43] <AlephTwo> Encapsulation: I'd use more than one
[1:43] <asey> so.. no.
[1:43] <Encapsulation> asey, can you support that argument
[1:43] <asey> at least i hope it's no.
[1:44] <Encapsulation> I need to finish my current project first anyway, but this could be interesting
[1:44] <AlephTwo> For realtime data processing, you could use something like a Parallax Propeller if your needs aren't excessive
[1:44] <Encapsulation> is the pi not advisable for rdp?
[1:44] <asey> the rpi lacks any realtime functions.
[1:44] <AlephTwo> Pipe the data to the PI
[1:44] <Encapsulation> use arduino
[1:44] <Encapsulation> what does thjaty mean realtime
[1:45] <Encapsulation> the pi has some sort of latency?
[1:45] <AlephTwo> The prop is by far the best microcontroller for such stuff. 8 core, etc.
[1:45] <asey> yes
[1:45] <Encapsulation> AlephTwo, let me take a look
[1:45] <AlephTwo> It's a beauty.
[1:45] <Encapsulation> that rf module is expensive
[1:46] <Encapsulation> let me see the parallax
[1:46] <AlephTwo> You can run old system emulators on them, i.e. zx spectrum, amstrad cpc464, commodore64, etc.
[1:46] <AlephTwo> Yes, but if you need reliability, security & range, it sounds like a great package
[1:46] <AlephTwo> depending upon aes implementation
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[1:46] <Encapsulation> ther eis a hat for pi
[1:46] <Encapsulation> I don't fully undetstand what this is though =S
[1:46] <AlephTwo> Certainly the best I've seen.
[1:47] <AlephTwo> link the hat
[1:47] <Encapsulation> it allows real time control?
[1:47] <AlephTwo> The prop?
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[1:47] <asey> realtime is almost a necessity, you want to be able to priotize the execution of certain things and guarentee that they always run.
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[1:47] <AlephTwo> The prop is like 8 arduinos sharing memory, sync'd to a crystal.
[1:47] <Encapsulation> can the pi not do that with good programming practices?
[1:47] <AlephTwo> Very fast, multiprocessing
[1:47] <asey> no it can't
[1:48] <asey> because linux
[1:48] <AlephTwo> No. OS can't guarantee immediate execution
[1:48] <Encapsulation> it cant guarantee
[1:48] <Encapsulation> but it will probably happen?
[1:48] <Encapsulation> isnt that good enough
[1:48] <AlephTwo> You can compile realtime linux stuff, but I haven't looked for a long, long while
[1:48] <asey> linux (unless you have the realtime kernel) allows threads to block
[1:48] <asey> ok
[1:48] <Encapsulation> 8 arduinos with more memory?
[1:48] <AlephTwo> Depends upon your standards. If you want to sell picars, then probably not :)
[1:48] <asey> so it "probably" will let your braking routine execute
[1:48] <Encapsulation> is it like 1 arduino with more gpio and more memory
[1:49] <AlephTwo> You can add memory and all sorts.
[1:49] <asey> unless you've got a thread blocking somewhere else
[1:49] <AlephTwo> No. 8 cores
[1:49] <asey> now your car doesn't stop
[1:49] <AlephTwo> 8 separate non-blocking cores
[1:49] <Encapsulation> threads can block execution?
[1:49] <Encapsulation> of other threads?\
[1:49] <asey> yes
[1:49] <AlephTwo> no
[1:49] <asey> yes
[1:49] <AlephTwo> *prop
[1:49] <Encapsulation> doesnt that defeat the purpose of multi threading
[1:49] <Encapsulation> or some applicaitomns of it
[1:49] <AlephTwo> Encapsulation: Depends upon situation
[1:49] <asey> multithreading is a ruse in most cases :)
[1:49] <asey> context switching is done by the processor
[1:49] <asey> er
[1:49] <asey> OS
[1:49] <AlephTwo> Parallel processing has to be carefully coded to stop that
[1:50] <asey> and even if you have multiple cores
[1:50] <Encapsulation> to create the appearance of multiple threads? but they still enter a queue?
[1:50] <Encapsulation> for execution
[1:50] <Encapsulation> is that what youre implying
[1:50] <asey> yes
[1:50] <asey> that is exactly how it works unless you have multiple cores
[1:50] <Encapsulation> 8 separate non blocking cores
[1:50] <asey> for the propeller
[1:50] <asey> but they still block
[1:50] <asey> if a thread locks
[1:50] <Encapsulation> so you can have 8 non blockig threads
[1:50] <Encapsulation> simultaenously
[1:50] <AlephTwo> http://www.instructables.com/id/Programming-the-Propeller-Microcontroller/
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[1:51] <AlephTwo> Nope. They don't block. They have n-microseconds to complete execution & then it hands over
[1:51] <asey> well
[1:51] <AlephTwo> n-clock cycles
[1:51] <Encapsulation> a new language to leanr for prop?
[1:51] <AlephTwo> 25MHz crystal and it's banging
[1:51] <Encapsulation> hmm
[1:51] <AlephTwo> Nope. You can use c
[1:51] <AlephTwo> assembly
[1:51] <AlephTwo> fortran
[1:51] <AlephTwo> basic
[1:52] <Encapsulation> I know c++ the best I'm looking at c now as well
[1:52] <AlephTwo> It's a surprisingly nice bit of kit
[1:52] <Encapsulation> its not nearly as similar as I had hoped
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[1:52] <AlephTwo> The dev boards are expensive, but the chips are about $8 and you can hook them up like atmels with a few resistors
[1:52] <AlephTwo> One cog (core) can run a tv display
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[1:52] <Encapsulation> so you can wire up circuits with them cheaply
[1:53] <Encapsulation> hmm
[1:53] <AlephTwo> Yes. 8 bucks a chip once you have the design.
[1:53] <AlephTwo> smt are really small if you like that sort of thing
[1:53] <AlephTwo> ttl are like atmels
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[1:53] <AlephTwo> But the language, spin is actually very good for the system. Fast enough. Simple enough
[1:54] <AlephTwo> Loads of code out there for almost anything
[1:54] <AlephTwo> You can have one cog doing i2c or whatever, just communicating the data to the pi from the other cogs
[1:54] <asey> maybe you should get a scaled r/c car first :)
[1:54] <AlephTwo> There's very nice prop quadcopter boards also.
[1:55] <Encapsulation> id like to build a quadcopter eventually
[1:55] <Encapsulation> it seems like its really blowing up as a hobby
[1:55] <Encapsulation> I'd like to do fpv
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[1:55] <asey> they're fun, just like any radio controlled vehicle.
[1:55] <Encapsulation> with antenna tracking
[1:55] <AlephTwo> http://learn.parallax.com/node/94
[1:55] <Encapsulation> so each cog is a core?
[1:55] <asey> yes
[1:56] <Berg> I seen on you tube a self balancing robot it was very interesting
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[1:56] <Berg> bring you a drink without spilling it
[1:56] <Berg> 2 beers please
[1:56] <evil_dan2wik> my new Pi is crashing randomly after a few hours
[1:56] <asey> i might play around with a propeller
[1:57] <AlephTwo> They can also be sent to sleep and turned on/off by other cogs. You can store programs in the memory & load them onto other cogs, etc.
[1:57] <AlephTwo> Crazy shit
[1:57] <Encapsulation> evil_dan2wik, how much current on your power supply for it
[1:57] <AlephTwo> evil_dan2wik: I'd guess overheating
[1:57] <pmumble> power
[1:57] <asey> i would guess power psu
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[1:57] <asey> er
[1:57] <asey> poor psu
[1:57] <evil_dan2wik> Encapsulation, known good power supply, used with my other B+s
[1:57] <AlephTwo> Fails after a couple of hours?
[1:57] <asey> what's it going
[1:57] <AlephTwo> I'd go with temp rise
[1:57] <asey> doing
[1:57] <Encapsulation> evil_dan2wik, log the system temp
[1:57] <Encapsulation> you can whip up a bash script in 5 seconds
[1:58] <evil_dan2wik> I can put my finger on the chip and it is warm to the touch
[1:58] <Encapsulation> hmm
[1:58] <asey> what is the pi doing
[1:58] <evil_dan2wik> the display turns off and the act light goes solid.
[1:58] <AlephTwo> damn. dropped my pi offline and it won't come back up. Have to hook a tv up :(
[1:58] <AlephTwo> evil_dan2wik: Not hot?
[1:58] <evil_dan2wik> warm, not hot
[1:58] <asey> aleph: no serial console? tsk
[1:58] <asey> :)
[1:59] <AlephTwo> So possibly something else on the board warming & moving slightly? Any pins loose?
[1:59] <Encapsulation> AlephTwo, I hate that feelingf, when you lose touch with the headless pi
[1:59] <AlephTwo> It's over the other end of the room
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[1:59] <AlephTwo> I took it to my friends internet cafe. I was going to experiment with pwnpi, but never got round to it
[1:59] <AlephTwo> Now it's probably complaining that it's not hooked upto the external drive
[1:59] <evil_dan2wik> AlephTwo, nothing is moving, the only thing connected is network, hdmi, power in and a keyboard
[2:00] <Encapsulation> my pi was running things in my home so when I lost touch remotely it was unsettling
[2:00] <Encapsulation> =D
[2:00] <AlephTwo> tail /var/log/syslog
[2:00] <evil_dan2wik> AlephTwo, this Pi was meant to be a drop in replacement for a damaged Pi
[2:00] <AlephTwo> see if anything complained before it died
[2:00] <AlephTwo> Logging is the only way to go
[2:00] <Encapsulation> evil_dan2wik, is anything connected to thepi
[2:00] <Encapsulation> when its crashing
[2:00] <Encapsulation> what is the pi doing
[2:00] <Encapsulation> maybe yuou alreayd said this and i missed it
[2:00] <asey> i asked the same, no answer
[2:01] <asey> also, thanks for reminding me about propeller Aleph
[2:01] <evil_dan2wik> Encapsulation, hdmi, keyboard, ethernet, power. the display turns off and the act light goes solid. it happens less when idle, almost instantly when openning the minecraft-pi
[2:01] <AlephTwo> Are you doing anything network heavy/disk heavy?
[2:01] <asey> i always meant to check them out
[2:01] <AlephTwo> Could be minecraf-pi crashing the board?
[2:01] <Berg> low power
[2:01] <Encapsulation> so yyou have a repeatable test case
[2:01] <Encapsulation> where you can crash the pi
[2:01] <Encapsulation> opening minecraft
[2:01] <evil_dan2wik> yes
[2:01] <AlephTwo> >> Berg: <<
[2:01] <Encapsulation> should be able to extrapolate the cause from there
[2:01] <Berg> morning
[2:01] <AlephTwo> ^-- low power
[2:02] <Berg> yes
[2:02] <asey> didn't we say suspect psu already?
[2:02] <evil_dan2wik> but, swapping it with my other Pi, it works 100% fine
[2:02] <asey> hm
[2:02] <asey> well
[2:02] <AlephTwo> Same model pi?
[2:02] <Berg> thats what happen to me when it crashed like that and nothing in logs
[2:02] <Encapsulation> different tolerences?in hardware
[2:02] <evil_dan2wik> they are both B+
[2:02] * asey throws in the towel
[2:02] <Berg> i have pi 2
[2:02] <asey> bad pi. make another.
[2:02] <asey> :P
[2:02] <Encapsulation> a
[2:02] <AlephTwo> You have a swap?
[2:02] <Berg> i just connected my pi to a better supply and bingo fixed
[2:02] <AlephTwo> Not running out of memory or anything?
[2:03] <AlephTwo> well that solves that
[2:03] <Encapsulation> evil_dan2wik,
[2:03] <Encapsulation> ssh into the pi and run htop
[2:03] <Encapsulation> then open mincraft on the pio
[2:03] <Encapsulation> watch the journal as well
[2:03] <evil_dan2wik> this is almost stock raspbian from NOOBS
[2:04] <AlephTwo> http://obex.parallax.com/ for the prop snippets, etc. Apparently a shite search system though, so google the forums allegedly.
[2:04] <Encapsulation> google sucks now for forums
[2:04] <Encapsulation> they ruined it
[2:04] <Berg> i use mine with wifi remote desktop no extra power drain for usb mouse or keyboard
[2:04] <Encapsulation> you used to be able to find people discussing things easily
[2:04] <Encapsulation> now its mostly commercial websites
[2:04] <Encapsulation> the discussions button gone
[2:04] <Berg> much gooder
[2:04] <evil_dan2wik> all I've done to it was sudo apt-get update and sudo apt-get upgrade, and swapping the SD card and everything to the other Pi, it works fine
[2:05] <Berg> using only python i use PIP
[2:05] <Berg> more gooder
[2:05] * asey buys a couple propellers.
[2:06] <AlephTwo> *cough* display objects http://obex.parallax.com/projects/display?items_per_page=All *cough*
[2:07] <AlephTwo> obex.parallax.com/object/690 OBD-II Terminal using CANBUS
[2:07] <asey> cool
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[2:08] <AlephTwo> All done in Spin, so very readable
[2:08] <asey> neat, no can controller needed apparently.
[2:08] <AlephTwo> Indeed.
[2:08] <AlephTwo> Those pins are badass
[2:08] <AlephTwo> One wire (antenna) TV display & transmitter on one cog was one of the earliest tricks
[2:09] <AlephTwo> drop a wire on a pin, load up the spin and do tv graphics. Tune in over analogue frequencies
[2:10] <asey> half of that odbii module is asm
[2:10] <asey> heh
[2:10] <AlephTwo> Yeah. Inline assembly is fun apparently
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[2:10] <AlephTwo> canbus objects in the obex
[2:10] <AlephTwo> bunch of i2c stuff
[2:11] <AlephTwo> The chip was designed by a guy called chip. He's a bad-ass. Locked himself away for a few years to make it.
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[2:12] <AlephTwo> Custom designed after he made a bunch of money in the 80's and retired to build that and have fun (or something)
[2:12] <AlephTwo> If you need more grunt than an arduino, they are very useful
[2:12] <asey> yeah
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[2:12] <asey> that's kind of why i was always glancing at them
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[2:13] <AlephTwo> http://dangerousprototypes.com/2011/12/05/arduino-code-emulation-object-for-parallax-propeller/ for everyone who likes arduino
[2:14] <asey> arduino is okay.
[2:14] <AlephTwo> Yup. Loverly for when you need to connect to something
[2:14] <asey> I use avr stuff without the fluff
[2:14] <AlephTwo> Then just run usb-serial
[2:14] * AlephTwo is too lazy
[2:14] <asey> if i'm just dinking around, then i have a few arduino's to play with
[2:15] <AlephTwo> http://obex.parallax.com/object/532 haha SIDcog! Emulates the SID chip
[2:15] <asey> but for an actual project.. i'll probably run a pcb off and just populate the hardware i need.
[2:15] <AlephTwo> http://humanoidolabs.blogspot.gr/2012/03/ultimate-list-of-big-brain-languages.html bugger me
[2:16] <AlephTwo> http://humanoidolabs.blogspot.gr/p/about-big-brain.html << They claim that it is semi-aware!
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[2:21] <evil_dan2wik> Encapsulation, I can't see anything happen
[2:21] <evil_dan2wik> Encapsulation, literally nothing, not even through serial console
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[2:22] <evil_dan2wik> Encapsulation, its running fine and as soon as I run it, the whole thing doesn't update
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[2:26] <Encapsulation> evil_dan2wik, have you taken a look at your log?
[2:26] <Encapsulation> after rebooting
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[2:29] <mxtm> have any of you built a "hud" esque thing into your cars
[2:29] <mxtm> using an rpi
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[2:35] <Encapsulation> no, but that would be a good project
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[2:36] <mxtm> the main concerns for me are psu, making it look pretty, finding a display, and finding / writing a pretyy hud app
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[2:36] <mxtm> pretty*
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[2:36] <Encapsulation> the psu would be trivial , display maybe not so much
[2:36] <mxtm> yeah
[2:37] <asey> what kindof display do you want
[2:37] <mxtm> but wiring it so that it doesn't look like shit would be annoying :p
[2:37] <mxtm> asey: anything that i could get into a car to display engine info, et
[2:37] <mxtm> c
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[2:38] <asey> there's some nice hdmi with capacative touch lcd's out there for $150 or less.
[2:38] <asey> 7 to 10"
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[2:42] <mxtm> yeh those might do the trick.
[2:42] <mxtm> mounting them to look pretty may be annoying however
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[2:43] <evil_dan2wik> Encapsulation, says nothing important
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[2:44] <Froolap> did Encapsulation say something? I must have missed it.
[2:45] <Encapsulation> Good evening Froolap
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[2:47] <evil_dan2wik> Encapsulation, its like the entire thing dies before it knows anything
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[2:47] <Froolap> oh hi there. smile
[2:48] <Encapsulation> evil_dan2wik, very strange
[2:48] <Encapsulation> do you have another power supply you could test with?
[2:48] <Encapsulation> just to be certain
[2:48] <evil_dan2wik> my computer's USB ports?
[2:48] <Encapsulation> no
[2:48] <Encapsulation> something with at least 1000ma
[2:48] <Froolap> usb ports not enough current
[2:49] <evil_dan2wik> my USB ports are rated for 2 amps according to my motherboard box
[2:49] <Encapsulation> is that your current power source?
[2:49] <evil_dan2wik> no
[2:50] <Encapsulation> you could test with that if you have 2 amps available
[2:50] <Encapsulation> I think
[2:50] <evil_dan2wik> powered 7 port USB hub with a 5v 2 amp power plug
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[2:50] <Encapsulation> how long is the cable?
[2:50] <evil_dan2wik> 20cm
[2:50] <Encapsulation> hmm
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[2:50] <evil_dan2wik> I've tried 4 different cables, even the ones that work with other Pis
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[2:52] <evil_dan2wik> it seems to be crashing every time something heavy starts to render
[2:53] <evil_dan2wik> like minecraft-pi and playing videos, opening pages in web browser but not startx
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[2:54] <AlephTwo> Check your hdmi cable maybe?
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[2:54] <evil_dan2wik> AlephTwo, its fine, I was using it just fine with my other Pi and laptop
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[2:55] <AlephTwo> I was thinking a loose connection maybe on the pi side.
[2:55] <AlephTwo> Could be hanging piping large amounts of data
[2:55] <AlephTwo> dunno. guessing
[2:55] <evil_dan2wik> AlephTwo, the act light going solid on the board shouldn't be caused by a hdmi cable right?
[2:55] <AlephTwo> You are in a pickle with potentially a bad board.
[2:56] <AlephTwo> Depends. If the kernel hangs because of a badly-behaved broadcom module, it could just lock up
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[2:56] <evil_dan2wik> so far, I haven'
[2:56] <evil_dan2wik> t seen any panics or messages before the hangs
[2:57] <AlephTwo> Could just be a freeze caused by some io process hanging
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[2:58] <evil_dan2wik> it is brand new, with a brand new raspbian install. Swapping everything to another B+ works just fine, raspbian boots, I can run minecraft, etc
[2:58] <evil_dan2wik> so I guess I rma
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[2:59] <AlephTwo> yup
[2:59] <AlephTwo> you performed due dilligence
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[3:00] <CanDoo> sup
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[3:00] <CanDoo> working on soldering a bit of perfboard tonight
[3:01] <AlephTwo> If you're like me, you'll end up with something which looks like Jackson Pollock had a hand in creating
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[3:02] <AlephTwo> Whilst my friends regularly turn out Turner-quality masterpieces :/
[3:02] <AlephTwo> Should be easy. Heat iron. Apply iron. Apply solder. Let cool
[3:02] <asey> flux!
[3:02] <AlephTwo> Heat iron. Apply iron. Apply iron some more. Curse. Add solder. Curse more.
[3:03] <AlephTwo> Remove solder. Add more
[3:03] <AlephTwo> ...curse.
[3:03] <AlephTwo> :)
[3:03] <asey> heh
[3:03] <asey> my soldering improved greatly when i switched away from a rosin cored solder and started fluxing myself
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[3:04] <AlephTwo> My iron has a damaged tip, and doesn't really reach high enough heat to melt the weight(?) of solder I have. Curse, etc.
[3:04] <asey> ah
[3:05] <asey> yeah, a proper iron helps much
[3:05] <asey> :)
[3:05] <AlephTwo> It's meant for fine-gauge solder. I can only find medium-fine. It takes a while to melt.
[3:06] <asey> get a larger iron? they're pretty cheap for the basic ones :)
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[3:07] <AlephTwo> Am expecting to repatriate to UK soon-ish. Don't want to buy more equipment
[3:07] <asey> ah
[3:07] <AlephTwo> Toys are ok - I can project them up & ship them.
[3:08] <AlephTwo> Hence the glut of small computing devices in my posession :)
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[3:08] * plugwash likes small but powerful irons
[3:08] <plugwash> though the nice ones don't come cheap :/
[3:08] <asey> yeah
[3:09] <AlephTwo> I liked some of those butane-powered ones
[3:09] <asey> i have a couple butane irons, a couple $10 plug-it-in-and-burn-things irons
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[3:09] * plugwash treated himself to an ersa micro tool recently after using one at work
[3:09] <asey> and a nice bench iron
[3:10] <AlephTwo> No workshop here. Seriously limits my project abilities :/
[3:10] <asey> ah, i don't have one any longer either
[3:10] <AlephTwo> http://humanoidolabs.blogspot.tw/2012/09/insane-brain.html Damn. I want to play with one of these
[3:10] <asey> pending divorce removed my workshop from use
[3:10] <AlephTwo> ouch
[3:11] <AlephTwo> On the bright side, more time for tinkering??? (cloud/silver lining, etc.)
[3:11] <asey> yeah, a bit.
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[3:12] <AlephTwo> Go check that link and think about the fun you could have building one of those :)
[3:13] <AlephTwo> It flies it's own planes. Has real rocket flights and does it's own experiments. Appears to have a goal, but nobody knows what it is yet.
[3:13] <AlephTwo> Hmmmmmmm.
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[3:14] <AlephTwo> They claim it has life status, since 2011. Reached top 500 supercomputer list 2012.
[3:14] <AlephTwo> Fucking propellers.
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[3:15] <Froolap> they can say a lot of things, I haven't heard it say anything.
[3:16] <AlephTwo> You have to go dig out the papers. I'm hoping to find the sound files of it's own generated speech
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[3:18] <AlephTwo> Hmm. Some of the more recent blogs start talking things which sound suspiciously like gibberish.
[3:19] <AlephTwo> Unless it's all something to do with the "AI"s own goals. Internal fictional objects? Not too sure yet.
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[3:29] <kookie> well the site looks good, although looks like it hasn't been updated since 2012
[3:29] <AlephTwo> Maybe it achieved sentience and "silenced" them?
[3:30] <kookie> so did the lab collapsed?
[3:30] <AlephTwo> No idea.
[3:30] <AlephTwo> Gtg. Cat is whinging at me and it's bedtime.
[3:30] <AlephTwo> catch you later.
[3:30] <kookie> I see.. looks too promising for it to publicised.
[3:30] <kookie> ok gn
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[3:37] <boxmein> random question
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[3:37] <boxmein> is the mathematica version on the pi for real, or is there some catch
[3:38] <osxyer> is there a setting to increase power in usb so the rp2 can drive my external hdd ?
[3:38] <boxmein> osxyer: you could always fetch a 4-5euro powered USB hub... pretty sure whatever power the Pi gives out is as much as it optimally can give out
[3:39] <boxmein> implying what it gets in is around 5V / 2A in case of a good dedicated wire
[3:39] <osxyer> im not sure which one to buy
[3:39] <boxmein> mine's 5V / 1.25 A
[3:40] <methuzla> osxyer set max_usb_current=1 in /boot/config.txt
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[3:41] <boxmein> ...or that
[3:41] <osxyer> methuzla: is there a chance of a problem if I already overclocked the rp2 a little?
[3:41] <yggdrasil> hi, i have a damaged pi, i can get it to boot but seems to have a hard time writing to the disk. was wondering is there some sort of netboot I can load and run it off my network ?
[3:41] <methuzla> dunno
[3:42] <pksato> modern external HDD need less that 250mA to work. RPi 2 can power if have a good psu.
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[3:44] <boxmein> modern external HDD owner here, I've even connected it to my phone via usbotg
[3:44] <boxmein> and my phone barely provides any power via otg
[3:44] <osxyer> well i have a good powersupply and the light of the hdd just turns on but no sound
[3:45] <pksato> see labels on hdd
[3:46] <osxyer> wait
[3:47] <osxyer> could it be the usb cable?
[3:47] <methuzla> yes
[3:47] <osxyer> on the hdd box, it doesn't say anything about power
[3:48] <methuzla> yggdrasil what do you mean "writing to the disk"? what disk?
[3:49] <pksato> osxyer: brand, model?
[3:50] <osxyer> http://souqmobi.com/electronics/western-digital-elements-babv0010bbk-external-hard-drives/
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[3:53] <yggdrasil> very good, looks like i can boot it and then switch it to a usb storage device
[3:53] <yggdrasil> that should work.
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[3:54] <osxyer> methuzla: how do I change that setting.
[3:55] <methuzla> osxyer with a text editor
[3:55] <pksato> osxyer: I can not find power rating of this hdd.
[3:55] <osxyer> methuzla: im in ssh now
[3:55] <osxyer> within /flash/config.txt
[3:55] <asey> pksato: what kind of drive
[3:56] <asey> oh
[3:56] <asey> up there
[3:56] <asey> a url.
[3:56] <asey> huzzah
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[4:01] <schuc> Hi there guys. :) I'm having a hard time getting a good image of a rpi sd card. What do you use? I'm trying to use Win32diskimager and another program
[4:02] <asey> I've used Win32DiskImager in the past with success.
[4:03] <methuzla> schuc what exactly is not working?
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[4:05] <schuc> well
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[4:06] <schuc> I have a new target sd card(micro) and when I use the program to write the image from the good card, it won't boot in the same rpi
[4:06] <schuc> I just wrote it again... trying now
[4:07] <dyce> anyone familiar with solar?
[4:07] <dyce> i was thinking, what if you use qualcomm quick charge with solar, would it be worthwhile?
[4:08] <methuzla> schuc so you're trying to make a copy of an existing sd card?
[4:08] <dyce> or is charging a 12v battery better
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[4:09] <schuc> methuzla, yes that's right. I just took a new image of the good one... I'm now writing it to the new sdcard... again....
[4:09] <schuc> not just make a copy though... I want the *image* to have on my hard drive
[4:09] <schuc> so I don't want to "CLONE" from one sd to another
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[4:10] <schuc> make sense?
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[4:10] <dyce> using this battery pack http://www.amazon.com/Aukey-10000mAh-Portable-External-Supported/dp/B00UBDI7EC/ref=sr_1_1?s=wireless&ie=UTF8&qid=1433297345&sr=1-1&keywords=quick+charge+battery + a car quick charge 2.0 hooked up to a solar panel
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[4:11] <osxyer> would this work: http://www.acceselectronique.ca/lesite/product.php?id_product=4547&id_lang=1
[4:13] <schuc> methuzla, are you still with me?
[4:13] <methuzla> schuc i guess, so basically store the image file on hard drive
[4:13] <methuzla> schuc but writing it back out is essentially cloning
[4:15] <schuc> right... not working so far for me
[4:15] <schuc> I'm on the write phase now for the third time
[4:15] <schuc> after this, I have to question either the image created, the new/target micro sd card, or the sd->micro converter
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[4:16] <methuzla> schuc ok. i've never done it that way. i've only written downloaded images.
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[4:17] <schuc> methuzla,ok, thanks
[4:18] <schuc> asey, Are you around?
[4:19] <asey> yeah
[4:20] <schuc> hiya... so have you used any programs to create sd card images or just used them to write images to a new sd card?
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[4:20] <Berg> dosent someone already writen a program to write live i8mages from pi?
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[4:22] <asey> just written downloaded images
[4:24] <schuc> ok asey, thanks
[4:24] <schuc> yes Berg, but I'm trying to find one that works for me
[4:24] <schuc> I need to create an image from a good sd card, save it to disk, and then write that image to a new sd card
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[4:37] <schuc> ok... the image write to the new sd card just finished... I'll try it in an rpi now
[4:44] <asey> why not download a working image?
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[4:48] <schuc> not booting
[4:48] <schuc> asey, because for one, this helps me trust the read/write process
[4:48] <schuc> but for another, I want an image of my own sd
[4:48] <schuc> it should easily work both ways
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[4:58] <schuc> gets quiet here later, doesn't it? Lol
[4:59] <asey> busy
[4:59] <awoserra> best battery power ups for rasp pi?
[5:02] <awoserra> will a laptop powered USB port do it?
[5:04] <asey> not likely
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[5:11] <awoserra> car battery and inverter ?>
[5:12] <plugwash> schuc, what do you expect at 4AM
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[5:14] <Bhaal> So I am trying to compile a kernel on a Pi2 via the http://elinux.org/Raspberry_Pi_Kernel_Compilation docs .. though I am supplementing 3.8.y for 3.18.y ... But when I try and do git checkout rpi-3.18.y I get "error: pathspec 'rpi-3.18.y' did not match any file(s) known to git."
[5:14] <Bhaal> Halp
[5:15] <Bhaal> Oh, and I am trying to do this in ubuntu, not raspbian
[5:15] <asey> .. are you actually using 'rpi-3.18.y'
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[5:16] <asey> or are you using whatever version number you want.
[5:16] <Bhaal> asey: presently running kernel is 3.18.0-23-rpi2
[5:16] <asey> ok
[5:17] <Bhaal> But I want the newer 3.18.14 or such .. really just want to be able to redirect the onboard LEDs to different gpio pins, but the current kernel doesn't seem to have it..
[5:18] <Bhaal> And I thought rpi-update updated the kernel as well... or is that only for raspbian?
[5:19] <asey> hang on a sec
[5:19] <Bhaal> np thanks
[5:19] <asey> that's a large repo, fetching it
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[5:22] <Froolap> I've got 3.18.7
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[5:24] <Bhaal> Froolap: On ubuntu?
[5:25] <Froolap> fedora
[5:25] * asey whistles
[5:25] <Bhaal> still going asey? hehe
[5:25] <asey> resolving dependencies
[5:26] <asey> slower than the download
[5:26] <Bhaal> hehe
[5:26] <asey> also multitasking on a laptop
[5:26] <Bhaal> I didn't pay close attention to it, left it running and went and did other things
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[5:27] <Froolap> hmmmmmm maybe I'll survive this after all.
[5:28] <Bhaal> Froolap: was your kernel a package install or compiled from git repo?
[5:29] <Bhaal> The ubuntu rpi kernel just hasn't kept up..
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[5:34] <schuc> Using Win32DiskImager again... took 3rd image of good sd card... writing now. If this doesn't work, I'm going to try a new micro SD and SD->Micro converter
[5:35] <asey> hrm
[5:35] <asey> i know on my original model b
[5:35] <asey> there were some cards and adapters that simply did not work
[5:35] <asey> havent had that issue on the 2
[5:36] <Bhaal> I stuck the smaller class4 sandisk cards with the original B
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[5:38] <schuc> hmm.. ok
[5:39] <schuc> well, I'm taking an 8GB card to a 16GB card... I wouldn't expect that to be a problem. Also, the process says done and successful when finished so no complaints from the software
[5:39] <schuc> rpi just says... yea... NO... lol
[5:39] <Bhaal> I still have a few in operation actually, no failures so far...
[5:40] <asey> hmm
[5:40] <asey> i dunno
[5:40] <asey> i get the same error with git
[5:40] <Bhaal> schuc: I did have an issue like that when trying to expand a card manually after copying to a newer larger card at one point...
[5:41] <schuc> I would think it's a simple action to make an image and write that clone to a new sd... I've spent hours tonight.. lol
[5:41] <schuc> oh really Bhaal?
[5:41] <Bhaal> asey: :/ I am wondering if grab the raspbian .deb's will I have any issues
[5:41] <asey> well
[5:41] <asey> i just did git checkout origin/rpi-3.18.y
[5:41] <asey> and it's processing
[5:42] <Bhaal> asey: Ahh so it is
[5:42] <Bhaal> What the hell is the difference? :/
[5:42] <asey> From git://github.com/raspberrypi/linux * [new branch] rpi-3.18.y -> origin/rpi-3.18.y
[5:42] <asey> that was the status after i fetched
[5:43] <asey> so something changed somewhere
[5:43] <Bhaal> schuc: Are you trying to expand it at the same time as writing the image? Or just making an image of the 8GB and putting it on the 16GB? what class?
[5:43] <Bhaal> asey: Hey, that's true, I am not a git person, so dunno, but you are right
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[5:46] <Froolap> I made my own image. so fresh install.
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[5:48] <Bhaal> Froolap: Ok, I'm trying all this now...
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[5:49] <Froolap> 3794 objects
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[5:58] <Froolap> what is THIS?
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[6:17] <Bhaal> How do I tell the kernel compile to use all cores?
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[6:18] <Bhaal> got it
[6:19] <asey> CONFIG_SMP?
[6:19] <asey> i dunno
[6:19] <asey> what was it
[6:20] <asey> Linux fruitcup 3.18.7-v7+ #755 SMP PREEMPT Thu Feb 12 17:20:48 GMT 2015 armv7l GNU/Linux
[6:20] <asey> definitely an SMP config
[6:21] <Bhaal> Nah, just pass -j <num cores to use> on the make command
[6:21] <asey> erm
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[6:21] <asey> that tells make how many cores to use while building
[6:21] <asey> it does not tell the kernel to enable SMP
[6:21] <Bhaal> That is what I meant
[6:21] <asey> oh
[6:21] <asey> okay
[6:21] <Bhaal> :)
[6:21] <asey> then yes.
[6:22] <Bhaal> But yes, I do remember the SMP stuff, despite it being some 8yrs or so since I last manually compiled a kernel :)
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[6:23] <Bhaal> I did -j 3 ... Need a spare core for normal stuff, this little Pi is my business mail and web server... (I have 2 x 1TB drives mirrored over the USB) ..
[6:23] <Bhaal> It's responsive enough considering it only has a 20MB/s uplink
[6:24] <asey> even with pi's hanging around
[6:24] <asey> i'm glad i don't host hardware for serious use at home anymore
[6:24] <asey> thank you co-location!
[6:25] <Bhaal> Well the little extra power to host my own server is far cheaper than co-lo in Australia...
[6:25] <Bhaal> or anywhere for that matter
[6:25] <asey> true enough
[6:25] <asey> $30/mo is a small price to pay for not having to deal with anything though
[6:25] <asey> :)
[6:25] <Bhaal> And what else do I do with a FTTP connection anyway? haha
[6:25] <asey> i have a virtual instance at a data center. i used to host my own hardware.
[6:25] <asey> just got tired of upkeep.
[6:26] <Bhaal> asey: I have other hardware here for the home stuff anyway, so it's little skin
[6:26] <Bhaal> temp=54.1'C
[6:26] * Bhaal whistles
[6:27] <Bhaal> I don't think I have a spare heatsink either...
[6:27] <Bhaal> They are all sitting on the dc-dc converters
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[6:28] <doompi> Anyone awake?
[6:29] <schuc> yep... Hiya doompi
[6:29] <asey> just the zombies
[6:29] <hayden> nope
[6:29] <doompi> I had a few questions about my raspi-2
[6:29] * Bhaal iz no sombie
[6:29] <Bhaal> err
[6:30] <Bhaal> schuc: how did you go with sd card? Or run out of head to bash against the wall?
[6:30] <schuc> I don't remember how to do the purple color..lol
[6:31] <schuc> oh man Bhaal. Still working on it. I'm now writing the same image to a new micro SD and SD->micro converter to eliminate that as a problem
[6:31] <schuc> ...this shouldn't be so hard.. lol
[6:31] <doompi> does the raspberrypi model 2 support class 10 sd card transfer rates
[6:31] <schuc> yea
[6:33] <doompi> I had an earier kernel problem when i booted my pi, it "could not handle page request"
[6:33] <doompi> any ideas what that mean
[6:33] <Bhaal> schuc: hahah
[6:33] <Bhaal> gtg
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[6:40] <Xeon3D> anyone recommend a good website / book to learn python ? :)
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[6:47] <pmumble> i hear the google tutorial is very good if you already know some other language (basics of programming)
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[6:47] <pmumble> https://developers.google.com/edu/python/
[6:47] <HotCoder> hello all
[6:54] <asey> hello
[6:55] <Froolap> hi
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[7:00] <pmumble> 'lo
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[7:32] <ocx> hi all
[7:33] <ocx> any idea wat is the max throughput on usb bus for rpi? mb/sec
[7:34] <tawr> it really depends
[7:34] <tawr> since it's shared by everything
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[7:34] <Froolap> now what?
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[7:34] <tawr> hi Froolap
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[7:34] <Froolap> hi
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[7:35] <ocx> tawr: 480mbps?
[7:35] <Froolap> I've seen 10mbps going to my 1tb usb drive....
[7:36] <Froolap> I've never seen 100mbps going to any drive
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[8:12] <Bhaal> Well, I gotta say, the Pi2 is doing quite well at compiling this kernel
[8:12] <Bhaal> Much faster than I was expecting at least...
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[8:17] <Xark> Bhaal: I found it quitey usable for light development (vs RPi1 for sure).
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[8:18] <MY123> Bhaal, the memory controller was dramatically impoved
[8:19] <Bhaal> And with the 1000Mhz overclock the cpu temp is staying between 53'C and 54.1'C .. which is pretty decent as well
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[8:19] <MY123> Bhaal, and the Pi2 manages 2K @60fps without overclock...
[8:19] <Bhaal> That's using 3 of the cores for compiling (need one for web/mail which is running on that pi)
[8:20] <Bhaal> MY123: The only thing which stops me using the Pi2 as htpc is netflix
[8:20] <Bhaal> though I have a theoretical fix for that as well
[8:20] <Bhaal> Just haven't got a spare Pi2 to work on
[8:20] <Bhaal> soon soon
[8:20] <MY123> Bhaal, is there Netflix on Windows Phone?
[8:20] <Bhaal> no idea..
[8:21] <Bhaal> anyway gtg ... family gathering dinner thing to go to
[8:21] <MY123> Bhaal, if it's there for Windows 10 Mobile, then no problem
[8:21] <temmi_hoo> i wish netflix would finally switch from sliverfight to javascript
[8:21] <Bhaal> MY123: how so?
[8:21] <Bhaal> Ohhhhhh
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[8:21] <Bhaal> coz Win10 for arm is linux
[8:21] <Bhaal> ?
[8:21] <Bhaal> kinda anyway
[8:21] <MY123> Bhaal, Win10 on Pi2 uses the NT kernel\
[8:22] <MY123> temmi_hoo, they did the switch
[8:22] <Bhaal> MY123: Oh... As much as I like that solution, I don't :) Coz I don't like windows... I like Kodi on Linux
[8:22] <Bhaal> temmi_hoo: html5, DRM, EME now...
[8:22] <Bhaal> anyway Im gone
[8:22] <temmi_hoo> some day now i can try uninstall silverlight and try without
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[8:40] <Berg> why does microsoft have to spoil everything??
[8:41] <ShorTie> because they are MickeySoft
[8:42] <ShorTie> Y 4 U say that anyways ??
[8:42] <Berg> well i have this incurable alergy of microsoft
[8:42] <Berg> i have a desire to smash PC
[8:43] <ShorTie> don't need to smash the whole pc, just the data
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[8:44] <ShorTie> boot-n-nuke to the rescue, lol.
[8:44] <Berg> i know but ones you start there is no stopping till every part is nano particals
[8:45] <Berg> i think its 4 days now my rpi has been running battery bank charging and only 1 hardware failure
[8:45] <Berg> the relay was cheap
[8:45] <Berg> <-----so happy
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[8:54] <BladeBronson> Hey guys, I'm in wpa_supplicant hell. I had the pi on my office wifi. I just came home, changed the network={} config and rebooted. I keep getting the message that the daemon failed to start.
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[8:55] <BladeBronson> I've been through a bunch of help docs and quadruple checked all the whitespace in the wpa_supplicant
[8:55] <BladeBronson> I can't figure out what's going on. This is a fresh install of wheezy and I haven't even used the pi for anything yet.
[8:56] <H__> for a few o fmy pi's i need to unplug replug the dongle a few times. check syslog while you unplug, there's a line in there that onlly shows if you have to replug once more
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[9:02] <BladeBronson> geez, finally :)
[9:02] <BladeBronson> thanks H__, there was a clue in the syslog
[9:03] <BladeBronson> I was trying to put the Pi on my network that has no wpa security by setting psk=""
[9:03] <BladeBronson> I switched to my protected network and specified my typical password: psk="H__r00lz"
[9:04] <BladeBronson> what's the right way to configure this to use an unprotected network, out of curiosity?
[9:04] <Berg> thats a good password
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[9:04] <Berg> i make my router onlyt allow connections from a mac address
[9:04] <H__> boo
[9:04] <Berg> otherwise my wifi has no password
[9:05] <H__> mac address can be spoofed easily
[9:05] <H__> s/spoofed/set/ even
[9:05] <BladeBronson> I have an unsecured network just so I don't have to explain anything to anyone that comes over.
[9:06] <Berg> your working at macca's?
[9:06] <Berg> hehehe
[9:07] <Berg> when you try to connect to my unsecured wifi it does not ask for anything so how would they know what it wants?
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[9:08] <Berg> my friends come over and they see the nettwork name and spend ages trying to configure their machine ....its entertainment without effort
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[9:09] <BladeBronson> haha
[9:09] <BladeBronson> cruel :)
[9:09] <Berg> i know
[9:09] <Berg> thats the entertaining part
[9:10] <Palmer11> ladies....
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[9:18] <BladeBronson> Alright guys, I'm all set for now. Thanks for the help.
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[9:20] <pepijndevos> What is the recommended way to connect a 5v SPI signal to the pi? Voltage divider, diode to 3.3v, buffer chip?
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[9:21] <pepijndevos> I came across this page a couple of times: http://tansi.info/rp/interfacing5v.html
[9:21] <pepijndevos> They suggest a diode to 3.3v and a series resistor.
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[9:22] <ShorTie> voltage divider is fine
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[9:22] <pepijndevos> But I've seen other people use voltage deviders, buffer chips, and even special level shifters.
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[9:22] <pepijndevos> ShorTie, what are the advantages of the divider vs the diode?
[9:23] <ShorTie> easier to find a couple resistors in the junk box then a diode .. :/~
[9:24] <pepijndevos> I have an organised collection of both, but if neither is better in any way, I'll go for the diode because I wont have to calculate resistor values :D
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[9:26] <ShorTie> 'special level shifters' are easy to build too
[9:28] <Froolap> I made it.
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[9:28] <Froolap> I dunno if it's any good but I made it..... it probably has worms though.
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[9:37] <Triffid_Hunter> pepijndevos: resistor dividers are sometimes too slow for high speed signals
[9:37] <pepijndevos> ah
[9:37] <Triffid_Hunter> pepijndevos: if you want to really push the datarate, use a proper level converter chip
[9:38] <Triffid_Hunter> pepijndevos: having said that, a 180/330 divider should run pretty quick considering it'll suck 10mA from the 5v side
[9:39] <pepijndevos> What's quick?
[9:40] <pepijndevos> If I can send a dozen bytes a dozen times per second, I'm good.
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[9:43] <Triffid_Hunter> pepijndevos: heh that's nothing, "high speed signals" start at about 1Mbit and go up from there
[9:43] <Triffid_Hunter> pepijndevos: 144 bytes/sec is utterly pedestrian in comparison, use any method you like ;)
[9:43] <pepijndevos> I thought so... great
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[9:50] <Froolap> I can type faster than that.
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[9:51] <Triffid_Hunter> Froolap: last time I measured I could type that fast too.. that was over 15 years ago though. I got in trouble in school for having "terrible" touch-typing style but still being able to type faster than the teacher
[9:52] <Froolap> lol yup
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[10:02] <Kryczek> Triffid_Hunter: haha I can imagine: in my school we were taught (also over 15 years ago) that your fingers should always rest on the middle row (e.g. ASDF and HJKL on a QWERTY keyboard) so for example you had to move your middle finger to the letter U without moving any other finger, and then bring back that finger to J before moving to the next letter
[10:02] <Triffid_Hunter> no time for that if you really wanna fly
[10:03] <Kryczek> Triffid_Hunter: my typing style was pretty much http://static.wix.com/media/755c71_9c722eb057e9b03c377eda2392663d98.jpg (still is) and I could type waaaaaaaay faster than the teacher :D
[10:03] <Triffid_Hunter> yeah looks about right, I just use whichever finger is closest at the time, and try to organise shifts so my hands tend towards neutral position.. sounds like rain :)
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[10:04] <phire> it's all mucle memory
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[10:05] <phire> hmm. I don't really use my ring finger when typing
[10:05] <phire> it's mosly the index, middle and little fingers
[10:05] <Triffid_Hunter> I use all my fingers
[10:06] <Triffid_Hunter> used dvorak for a while, that helped exercise the pinkies
[10:06] <Triffid_Hunter> writing perl with dvorak layout gets really good finger coverage
[10:06] <pepijndevos> Where are the I2C lines on the Arduino Mini? Googling reveals a lot of pro mini, nano, micro, etc info.
[10:07] <pepijndevos> Best I could find is http://40.media.tumblr.com/2a064f5c81d5361ad6b8ec658dbb2273/tumblr_mhuv7kP9491s5t695o2_1280.png
[10:08] <Xark> pepijndevos: It is the same as 328 -> http://www.arduino.cc/en/Hacking/PinMapping168
[10:08] <Xark> pepijndevos: So, Uno, Ethernet A4 (SDA), A5 (SCL)
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[10:10] <pepijndevos> ah, the image I posted even says so, but they are on the internal block.
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[10:16] <pepijndevos> Hmm, I want to hook it up to a rpi, but not occupy the pwm channels, so SPI is out. I have other plans for the serial port, so that's not the way to go either. That leaves I2C, which requires a proper level shifter, or so I read.
[10:17] <Triffid_Hunter> pepijndevos: why not just run your arduino on 3.3v?
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[10:18] <pepijndevos> Triffid_Hunter because I want to use the PWM channels to drive 5V servo's
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[10:20] <Triffid_Hunter> pepijndevos: lots of servos will accept 3.3v signals, experimentation required
[10:21] <pepijndevos> hmmm but I also need to read 5v PWM signals. IIRC the input tolerance depends on Vcc, so at 3.3v, I can't use 5v signals
[10:22] <velner> With the latest version of raspbian wheezy, a pi 2, and an ourlink usb wifi stick (rtl8192cu), I'm unable to connect to an access point and get "rtw_wx_set_mlme, cmd=1, reason=3" in dmesg
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[10:35] <evil_dan2wik> pepijndevos, use a resistor to drop the incoming voltage, and most logic levels will switch fine on 3.3v at 5v
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[11:13] <pepijndevos> I'm trying to get arduino to work from the commandline, but I only get a bunch of x11 warnings.
[11:14] <Kryczek> pepijndevos: like what?
[11:14] <pepijndevos> hold on
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[11:15] <pepijndevos> https://www.refheap.com/102045
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[11:15] <Triffid_Hunter> arduino IDE is a disgusting piece of software.. if at all possible, use your favourite text editor or IDE and one of the numerous arduino Makefiles that google knows of
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[11:15] <Triffid_Hunter> personally I use kate
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[11:58] <pepijndevos> Triffid_Hunter, I installed arduino-mk on Raspbian, but I can't get reset to work. Any idea how to do this?
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[11:58] <pepijndevos> https://www.refheap.com/102046
[11:59] <Triffid_Hunter> pepijndevos: stty hup < /dev/arduino should enable reset-on-connect behaviour, stty -hup < /dev/arduino should disable it (and also reset the board since it involves a connection)
[11:59] <Triffid_Hunter> usually it's enabled by default
[11:59] <pepijndevos> Triffid_Hunter, which physical pin on the rpi gpio is responsible for that, if any/
[11:59] <Triffid_Hunter> pepijndevos: none, it's a signal that goes out over USB
[12:00] <Triffid_Hunter> pepijndevos: but wtf is going on here? that looks crazy
[12:00] <pepijndevos> I'm not doing that. I have the arduino connected to the GPIO pins.
[12:00] <Triffid_Hunter> why does it try 4 different ways to invoke hupcl, and bomb when a couple don't work?
[12:00] <pepijndevos> Dunno
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[12:01] <Triffid_Hunter> pepijndevos: try a different arduino makefile, that one looks dumb
[12:01] <pepijndevos> you can override the reset command, so I'll try that maybe
[12:02] <Triffid_Hunter> pepijndevos: personally I use http://triffid-hunter.no-ip.info/avr-Makefile although it won't accept arduino projects without some massaging as they're not pure C++
[12:03] <Triffid_Hunter> pepijndevos: which pins on the arduino have you hooked to your GPIO?
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[12:03] <Triffid_Hunter> you need to pull reset low for a split second, then start avrdude within half a second thereafter
[12:03] <Triffid_Hunter> massively easier to program over usb
[12:03] <pepijndevos> Just Rx and Tx, so I definitely need to do SOMEthing.
[12:04] <pepijndevos> I think I got this. I can override RESET_CMD with something that triggers a GPIO pin.
[12:04] <Triffid_Hunter> pepijndevos: if that's it, you're gonna have to resort to the reset button dance.. ie hold reset, then release and invoke avrdude. experimentation with timing required
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[12:07] <pepijndevos> Uhm, so the reset pin is pulled up to 5v, so I can't connect that to the rpi
[12:08] <pepijndevos> Or is 100kOhm enough that it's safe?
[12:08] <pepijndevos> 10K that is
[12:10] <Triffid_Hunter> use a signal mosfet like 2n7000
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[12:56] <pepijndevos> Triffid_Hunter, I don't have any mosfets laying around.
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[13:03] <Triffid_Hunter> pepijndevos: well that alone is something to rectify :P
[13:04] <pepijndevos> Triffid_Hunter, it seems a reset LOW is max 0.9v, so what if I put a 10k resistor to ground, making a voltage divider of sorts.
[13:05] <Triffid_Hunter> pepijndevos: series resistor is an old favourite, but I never like leaning on the protection diodes for normal operation
[13:06] <pepijndevos> protection dioders? What I mean is... now it's pulled up to 5v, what if I ALSO pull it down to 0v?
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[13:08] <pepijndevos> So I think it'll float around 2.5, and is then controlled by the rpi gpio
[13:09] <Triffid_Hunter> pepijndevos: almost all ICs have diodes from each input to VCC/GND to help protect them from the world. if you put a series resistor between 5v logic and 3.3v logic, you're relying on the protection diodes in the 3.3v chip to limit the voltage to a safe level
[13:09] <Triffid_Hunter> it's never a good idea to rely on this
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[13:11] <pepijndevos> Triffid_Hunter, but but but.... there will only be 2.5v on the gpio pin in my proposal, right? Not 5.
[13:12] <Triffid_Hunter> pepijndevos: 2.5v isn't a strong signal.. if you're using a resistor divider, go for 1.8k/3.3k or even 180/330 if your 5v logic is happy to drive 10m
[13:12] <Triffid_Hunter> 10mA
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[13:13] <pepijndevos> ok
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[13:25] <pepijndevos> Never mind, I'll use a USB UART and figure it out another time.
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[13:49] <samskiter> hey, does anyone know if there are any plans to update the raspberry pi compute model to the new chip used on the pi 2 b?
[13:50] <ShorTie> someday i believe, but who knows for sure or when
[13:51] <samskiter> ah ok, i was just wondering when. but good to know its on the path
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[13:59] <ThinkingofPython> Yay, my Mini NUC came. Intel Atom Quad core 3735f, 2GB ram, Win 8.1 Pro, 32gb eMMC, uses 5W of power. Can switch OS to Android 4.4 from win desktop, and vice versa from android desktop
[13:59] <ThinkingofPython> $75 well spent
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[14:03] <ozzzy_> I got a bunch free
[14:04] <ozzzy_> spread them around into various observatories around
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[14:07] <ThinkingofPython> Its actually really fast for such a small device
[14:07] <ThinkingofPython> not much bigger than the pi2, although it's heavier
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[14:15] <ozzzy_> the ones I got are 3.5" SBC
[14:16] <ozzzy_> 6 USB, 2 gEth, SATA, 60G SSD, VGA... run on 12V so great at a telescope
[14:19] <ThinkingofPython> ah these are different
[14:19] <ThinkingofPython> 5V, 1A, 5W
[14:19] <ThinkingofPython> Not a traditional NUC, like a much smaller version
[14:20] <ThinkingofPython> Same specs as the intel stick but with more USB's, better bootloader, win 8.1 pro (not home), big heatsink and fan
[14:21] <ozzzy_> these ones are industrial boards.... -50C to 75C. company bought a bunch then decided that they didn't fit the need so they just put'em in the garbage
[14:21] <ozzzy_> my buddy that works for them scooped the lot LOL
[14:22] <ozzzy_> I have two left... one in the trailer and one on the shelf looking for a job to do
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[14:23] <ThinkingofPython> ah, whats the cpu?
[14:23] <ozzzy_> dual-core atom
[14:24] <ThinkingofPython> ah nice
[14:24] <ThinkingofPython> this is like a new product from last month or two
[14:24] <ThinkingofPython> Im really surprised on how fast it is and low powered
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[14:25] <ThinkingofPython> like... 5 watts
[14:25] <ThinkingofPython> My desktop uses 500
[14:25] <ThinkingofPython> lol
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[14:27] <ozzzy_> this one draws 980mA @ 12V
[14:27] <osxyer> hey guys
[14:28] <ozzzy_> howdy
[14:28] <osxyer> how do I change the usb_max_current
[14:28] <osxyer> I want to try to see if my ext hdd will be powered by the usb
[14:28] <ozzzy_> usb_max_current=1
[14:28] <osxyer> but in /flash/config.txt
[14:28] <osxyer> ?
[14:28] <ThinkingofPython> Ah, so thats 12V, 1A, 12W
[14:28] <ozzzy_> in config.txt
[14:28] <ThinkingofPython> This is 5V, 1A, 5W
[14:28] <samskiter> ShorTie: I found a forum thread saying itll be updated by at least the end of the year
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[14:28] <osxyer> ozzzy_: but the line isn't there in my config.txt file
[14:29] <ozzzy_> you have to add it
[14:29] <ozzzy_> in /boot/config.txt
[14:29] <ozzzy_> what model pi
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[14:32] <osxyer> rp2
[14:32] <ozzzy_> woohoo... new rules
[14:32] <ozzzy_> no more penalty for walking away from a cellphone contract after 2 years... and capped at 50 before 2 years
[14:32] <osxyer> u in canada?
[14:32] <ozzzy_> yep
[14:32] <osxyer> ozzzy_: can i access this /boot with samba?
[14:32] <osxyer> ozzzy_: me too
[14:33] <ozzzy_> why don't you just ssh in
[14:33] <osxyer> i am
[14:33] <osxyer> but i dont know how to command to get to /boot
[14:33] <ozzzy_> then why do you need samba
[14:33] <ozzzy_> cd /boot
[14:33] <osxyer> OpenELEC:~ # cd /boot
[14:33] <osxyer> -sh: cd: can't cd to /boot
[14:33] <osxyer> OpenELEC:~ #
[14:33] <ozzzy_> oh... openelec
[14:33] <ozzzy_> pffft
[14:34] <ozzzy_> you're on your own
[14:34] <osxyer> lol
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[14:34] <osxyer> what part of .ca are you?
[14:35] <ozzzy_> sw ont
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[14:36] <osxyer> oh ok
[14:36] <osxyer> in the ennemy lines
[14:36] <osxyer> just kidding
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[14:39] <Great-Geek> osxyer, What do you want to do in /boot ?
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[14:39] <Great-Geek> osxyer, nvm, read back. You want to edit /flash/config.txt somehow
[14:40] <Great-Geek> osxyer, nano ? vi ?
[14:40] <Great-Geek> osxyer, What does OpenELEC have?
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[15:32] <knob> Hello everyone. Just saw this: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1598272670/chip-the-worlds-first-9-computer looks interesting!
[15:36] <Bilby> I've seen a few links to it over the last few weeks. It's cute, but I'm no early adopter and don't have any perfect projects for it so I'll wait and see what happens
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[15:53] <SpeedEvil> knob: they recently reduced the shipping price to the UK.
[15:53] <SpeedEvil> To $14
[15:53] <SpeedEvil> Which is pretty ridiculous
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[15:53] <chris_99> it wont cost anywhere near that
[15:53] <chris_99> to ship
[15:53] <SpeedEvil> I said price, not cost.
[15:54] <chris_99> er aren't they the same thing
[15:54] <SpeedEvil> No. Price is how much it costs you. Cost is how much it costs them
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[15:54] <SpeedEvil> I would be overjoyed to take a parcel of them, and ship them out to anyone in the UK for $2.5 each
[15:55] <chris_99> i'll just wait for China to clone it
[15:55] <knob> I love my rPis... I would buy one of those for tests... yet... the rPi has huge backing
[15:55] <jer> what people tend not to remember is that it costs money to ship things -- not just what the shipping company charges; and with kickstarter projects in particular those that are really successfull, fulfilling those commitments is expensive.
[15:56] <jer> $14 isn't too much.
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[15:56] <SpeedEvil> jer: Not for a $9 postage-stamp sized item weighing 4 grams
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[15:57] <chris_99> you could send that in a letter probably
[15:57] <knob> Maybe it's enveloped in a gold-leafed silk bag?
[15:57] <chris_99> on the letter as a stamp
[15:57] <knob> lol
[15:57] <jer> SpeedEvil, board might weigh 4 grams, total package weight will probably weigh closer to half a kilo, maybe more depending on configuration. there's also time to pack it, salary of the person/people dealing with shipping the rewards while the process is no doubt, not fully automated yet
[15:58] <knob> Lets do a kickstarter for cheaper shipping.
[15:58] <SpeedEvil> jer: For the one board case. You put it in a couple of layers of anti-static bubblewrap, stick it in an envelope, slap it on a label, and you're done.
[15:59] <jer> SpeedEvil, sure, now multiply that by $2m worth of commitments =]
[15:59] <jer> takes time.
[15:59] <jer> someone's gotta be paid to do all that
[15:59] <jer> and shipping costs have to be covered, as do the cost of those envelopes and bubblewrap, and some error margin to replace shit when it breaks or someone screws up
[15:59] <jer> a lot of things go into price
[15:59] <SpeedEvil> jer: Right. Now, how long do you think it would take you to do all that? If you can't do 60 packages an hour...
[16:00] <SpeedEvil> At $1 labour per part, that's $60/hr.
[16:00] <SpeedEvil> I think I can get people to put them in envelopes for $60/hr.
[16:01] <jer> SpeedEvil, let's say i can do 120 packages an hour. ok great, let's see how many i'd be doing... will take me roughly 39 days to fulfill those backers' orders, working 8 hours a day, 7 days a week.
[16:01] <SpeedEvil> jer: you do know you can actually get people to do things for you by giving them money?
[16:01] <jer> SpeedEvil, yes; i'm in no way affiliated with this project, i'm merely supplanting myself for the sake of running through the numbers with you =]
[16:02] <jer> you can reduce time by adding more people for this kind of work, yes
[16:02] <jer> doesn't reduce cost though
[16:02] <jer> so let's just keep the numbers simple =]
[16:02] <chris_99> what happens if we bring robots into the equation
[16:02] <TheLostAdmin> I wouldn't want a Pi shipped to me in a plain envelope. What about breakage insurance?
[16:03] <jer> chris_99, that costs more money too
[16:03] <jer> over the long term, more cost effective, yes
[16:03] <SpeedEvil> TheLostAdmin: If it's brokenn, I ship you another one.
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[16:03] <jer> a lot of this work can be automated; whether or not it is right now, is a different question
[16:04] <jer> SpeedEvil, and that money comes out of what? insurance? ok fine, that insurance typically is a few dollars on each package. you're spreading the load out over all customers.
[16:04] <SpeedEvil> TheLostAdmin: 10% breakage on shipping for this class of board is impossible with a couple of layers of bubble wrap.
[16:04] <jer> long and the short is, things cost money
[16:04] <SpeedEvil> jer: 10% failures is now $1.5 per package
[16:04] <jer> and you can do things to mitigate what it costs *EACH* person, but it doesn't reduce the total cost
[16:04] <CanDoo> HEY my raspberry pi didn't come with the flux capacitor!!!
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[16:05] <SpeedEvil> jer: sure it does. Not insuring envelopes saves you $2 per envelope or so, it costs less than that to replace any bords with issues.
[16:06] <jer> SpeedEvil, you have to have a good handle on your supply chain for those numbesr to work out in your favour though =]
[16:06] <jer> it's more risky
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[16:06] <jer> this early, additional risk isn't likely what this company wants
[16:07] <SpeedEvil> At their price for shipping, they can literally take 50% losses.
[16:07] <SpeedEvil> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/ANTI-STATIC-COMPUTER-MEMORY-MODULES-TRAY-CONTAINER-BOX-FITS-50PC-NOTEBOOK-SODIMM-/281190889223?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4178487707
[16:07] <SpeedEvil> also exists
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[16:07] <jer> i'd prefer to pay the $14 if it means it doesn't come in an envelope, comes insured, and was handled by someone who knows what they're doing.
[16:07] <jer> if you don't want to, don't. vote with your dollars
[16:09] <doomlord> has anyone engineered a 'sleeker' pi-phone with the compute-module
[16:10] <doomlord> i suppse it might be possible to build one with the regular board and make a virtue of the volume by packing it with batteries
[16:10] <SpeedEvil> Or you could pull off the connectors and stuff
[16:11] <doomlord> heh i guess so
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[16:11] <doomlord> perhaps it might not be as terminal as it sounds if you have a soldering iron anyway
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[16:27] <Bilby> I haven't had seen but a few projects using the compute module. I think they left off so many parts to appeal to OEMs but it rather left out hobbiests
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[16:29] <metRo_> Hello
[16:30] <metRo_> I'm setting up a toolchain to cross compile Qt for RPi
[16:30] <Bilby> I'd like to see a barebones version of the Pi2 and A+ that only has the surface-mount parts installed and everything else just included
[16:30] <ThinkingofPython> or maybe just 2 usb ports
[16:30] <ThinkingofPython> and not super high ones heh
[16:30] <ThinkingofPython> makes the case thick
[16:30] <Bilby> well, the A+ is pretty slim
[16:30] <metRo_> I'm using kubuntu 15.04 which hasn't ia32libs
[16:31] <metRo_> https://github.com/raspberrypi/tools/tree/master/arm-bcm2708 can I use the x64 toolcahin from here?
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[16:36] <Captain_Crow> how do i install lcd drivers?
[16:36] <Kunsi> apt-get them
[16:36] <Encapsulation> lol
[16:36] <Encapsulation> such an unhelpful response for a newbie
[16:36] <Encapsulation> not saying he is, but if he is
[16:36] <Encapsulation> that won't help
[16:36] <Encapsulation> what lcd do you have?
[16:37] <Kunsi> Encapsulation: i apt-get-ed my lcd drivers, so that's working :)
[16:37] <Captain_Crow> waveshare spotpear
[16:38] <Encapsulation> Captain_Crow, this link might help http://www.circuitbasics.com/setup-lcd-touchscreen-raspberry-pi/#content
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[16:47] <ThinkingofPython> It's odd that a quad core atom has about the same amount of speed when doing tasks as my gen 1 i5 mobile cpu
[16:48] <ozzzy_> depends on the tasks
[16:50] <ThinkingofPython> Light gaming, web browsing, opening programs (Mind you, this thing has 32GB eMMC flash, so its faster than a regular HDD)
[16:50] <ThinkingofPython> But it's a beast :D
[16:50] <ThinkingofPython> Only about 1/4 of a Pi2 (inside a case) bigger than the Pi2 as well
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[16:57] <Bilby> ThinkingofPython what are you speaking of?\
[16:58] <ThinkingofPython> GF got me a "Wintel Box" for my birthday. It's got an Quad Core Intel Atom Z3735F, 2GB DDR3L RAM, 32GB eMMC/SSD, Win 8.1 pro/Android 4.4 dual boot, and only uses 5V 1A 5W power
[16:58] <ThinkingofPython> Was about $75
[16:59] <ThinkingofPython> http://www.amazon.com/Vensmile-W8-BayTrail-Computer-Bluetooth/dp/B00SSUJRV2/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1433343527&sr=8-1&keywords=wintel+box Same as that, but it's the 8.1 pro version (includes key, is fully authentic) and has slightly better hardware inside (in terms of quality control)
[16:59] <Bilby> neat!
[16:59] <ThinkingofPython> Yeah
[16:59] <ThinkingofPython> :) It's a power house
[16:59] <Bilby> yeah, SSD makes any machine more usable. I spec'd out a bunch of super-cheap microcomputers for a client, with SSD upgrade. No worries on speed
[17:00] <ThinkingofPython> Only downside is that it gets hot, about 75c but I'll install a fan inside it
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[17:00] <Bilby> wow that is cheap
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[17:00] <ThinkingofPython> Yeah, I'm in China, so its $75 here
[17:00] <Bilby> how does it work on 8.1 running browsers and word processing
[17:01] <ThinkingofPython> Works great. No slow down at all
[17:01] <ThinkingofPython> Uses like 10% of the cpu
[17:01] <ThinkingofPython> Gaming only uses 50% (just did some like apps on it, like ashphalt assault and such)
[17:01] <ThinkingofPython> But apparently it can run source games decently
[17:02] <Bilby> that's pretty cool man
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[17:03] <Bilby> I ended up going with much more expensive option because i didn't think 2gb ram would work long term for internet + word processing
[17:05] <Bilby> the purchase approval process for that client is insane thoguh, so if i'd taken the chance and bought lower-poewred machines there is no way to exchange or return them really :|
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[17:06] <Captain_Crow> Encapsulation, that seems like a lot of stuff to install a driver, is there an easier way?
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[17:08] <ThinkingofPython> Bilby, 2GB is perfectly fine
[17:08] <ThinkingofPython> for web browsing, light gaming, and word processing
[17:08] <ThinkingofPython> (I'm a teacher, and 90% of my planning is word processing, heh. It works great for it)
[17:08] <ThinkingofPython> Im just surprised on how cheap it is and how well it runs
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[17:10] <Bilby> That's awesome! thanks for the reccomendation
[17:11] <ThinkingofPython> No problem man
[17:11] <ThinkingofPython> Its a $75 pc, that performs much better than like $300-$400 low end laptops (You know, the stuff with like AMD E series in it heh)
[17:11] <ThinkingofPython> But it's no $1000 gaming machine heh. But its great for light gaming (ps1 emulators, source games, etc)
[17:12] <ThinkingofPython> Source is nice because it's so customizable (in command console), so you can really make it more lightweight than it is
[17:14] <Captain_Crow> i have the pi connected to an hdmi monitor with the terminal up, but im not sure what to do to install the driver
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[17:15] <Bilby> in my experience, the difference in everyday performance between that $1000 machine and the $400 is the SSD
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[17:15] <McBride36> i put off buying a SSD for a long time
[17:15] <ThinkingofPython> yeah that and the actual processsor
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[17:15] <ThinkingofPython> Like usually a low end processor like the AMD E-series is crap
[17:15] <McBride36> and when i did eventually buy one, i rave about it to everyone
[17:16] <ThinkingofPython> It struggles with youtube videos lol
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[17:16] <ThinkingofPython> But the Atom Z3735F Quad core is really powerful for being a 2W CPU LOL
[17:16] <drstupid> woo i am making a yagi antenna for my wifi adaptor so i can directionally locate wifi APs :D
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[17:19] <ShorTie> had a can of prigles ah
[17:19] <ThinkingofPython> nice
[17:19] <ThinkingofPython> Im eating Chinese lays
[17:19] <Bilby> ahah
[17:19] <Bilby> so weird that pringles can diameter is perfect for 2.4ghz range
[17:19] <ThinkingofPython> Char Sui flavor
[17:20] <ThinkingofPython> Like, a smoked jerky pork flavor
[17:20] <ThinkingofPython> mmmm
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[17:22] <drstupid> ShorTie: it's a yagi not a waveguide :D
[17:22] <ThinkingofPython> Oh, it's worth mentioning that the device has BT 4.0 and Wifi built in :)
[17:25] <Captain_Crow> how does apt-get work in raspbian?
[17:25] <shiftplusone> Captain_Crow: same way it works everywhere else
[17:25] <Captain_Crow> sudo apt-get install?
[17:26] <shiftplusone> if that's what you want
[17:26] <shiftplusone> is there a specific question?
[17:26] <Bilby> you can also man apt-get i believe
[17:27] <Captain_Crow> if i want to install lcd drivers do i just type fbtft at the end or is their more to it?
[17:28] <Encapsulation> do I need to compile my software for each individual pi
[17:28] <shiftplusone> ah, unfortunately it's not that easy
[17:28] <Encapsulation> Captain_Crow, I linked you a good tutorial
[17:28] <ShorTie> depends on how it's listed
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[17:29] <shiftplusone> Captain_Crow: don't know how up to date this is https://github.com/notro/fbtft/wiki/FBTFT-on-Raspian
[17:29] <ShorTie> good old 'apt-cache search <whatever>' is a nice way to find how it is listed
[17:29] <shiftplusone> Encapsulation: not really (we don't)
[17:29] <nerdboy> http://www.vctlabs.com/posts/2014/Oct/22/pitft_kernel/
[17:29] <Captain_Crow> Encapsulation, i didnt understand the tutorial
[17:30] <nerdboy> main thing now is the drivers are in staging in rpi-kernel
[17:30] <nerdboy> so ignore the git module since it's gone
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[17:34] <shiftplusone> http://swag.raspberrypi.org/products/official-raspberry-pi-case
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[17:43] <nomis> shiftplusone: nice.
[17:43] * nomis wants one
[17:44] * SpeedEvil wants -i.
[17:44] <shiftplusone> I'm not a fan myself, but I think I'd buy one anyway.
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[17:47] <seriema> AlephTwo: hey =) gonna give it one last shot now... wish me luck!
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[17:47] <Encapsulation> Captain_Crow, I've got too much on my plate at the moment but stick around and keep at it you'll figure it out
[17:47] <TheLostAdmin> I would have expected better support for the Pi camera in the official case.
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[17:55] <Encapsulation> Why is this file not being created? https://ideone.com/lvTqWO I made a test case https://ideone.com/4wovrg and it seems to work fine
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[18:04] <seriema> I know this is in Swedish but... any idea if rpi would have any issues with this usb thing? http://www.psxcare.com/product.php?xProd=1041&jssCart=65a5cffab8d6ffde89c5b275f252bf2e
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[18:05] <shiftplusone> there's no information there to go on
[18:05] <shiftplusone> (but it should work)
[18:05] <seriema> yeah =/
[18:05] <seriema> should(TM) I guess hehe
[18:05] <Kryczek> seriema: you could always make it work with a Y-cable but hopefully there's no need :)
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[18:06] <Kryczek> seriema: have you checked if there is a Linux ARM driver though?
[18:07] <seriema> Kryczek: "Standard HID (Human Interface Device) compliant, no drivers needed, just plug and play" according to the page =/
[18:08] <shiftplusone> that sounds promising
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[18:13] <Captain_Crow> my sd card stopped working :(
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[18:16] <Encapsulation> =S
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[18:26] <seriema> AlephTwo: can't believe it!! it works!!!
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[18:29] <AlephTwo> o/ and wow!
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[18:29] <seriema> it doesn't get an IP, but it could be my new cable. so I still have fun stuff left!
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[18:29] <AlephTwo> But you have a booting system
[18:29] <seriema> yepp!! and it's asking for a controller :D
[18:30] <AlephTwo> Bags of awesome. I'm currently sitting with a BigBen XBox/PS3 wireless controller. Trying to figure out if python can read it.
[18:30] <Encapsulation> no coders in here?
[18:30] <AlephTwo> Literally browsing the forums everywhere atm
[18:30] <Encapsulation> did anyone see my code?
[18:30] <Encapsulation> I'm stumped
[18:30] <AlephTwo> Encapsulation: Just got back. Linky
[18:31] * AlephTwo waits for Encapsulation to post a link
[18:31] <Encapsulation> AlephTwo, Why is this file not being created? https://ideone.com/lvTqWO I made a test case https://ideone.com/4wovrg and it seems to work fine. This is another block of code from a different function in the same class and it seems to work fine as well: https://ideone.com/HNODUi
[18:31] <seriema> AlephTwo: haha cool! I'm gonna try to connect my Xbox360 controller next =)
[18:32] <seriema> any idea why my IP suddenly starts with 169. instead of 192. ?
[18:32] <AlephTwo> Typo?
[18:32] <AlephTwo> Check your config
[18:32] <seriema> I thought 192.168... was internal stuff
[18:33] <seriema> well this is the raspbian partition, that has worked every time I installed it
[18:33] <Froolap> that's what happens when you try to type 192 and 168 at the same time
[18:33] <AlephTwo> You are exposing it directly to t'internet
[18:33] <AlephTwo> ?
[18:33] <Kryczek> seriema: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Link-local_address
[18:33] <ozzzy_> 192.168. is the private class C
[18:34] <ozzzy_> 169. is what something defaults to that can't acquire an IP
[18:34] <seriema> I'm not trying anything =/ I just booted it
[18:34] <seriema> ahaa
[18:34] <AlephTwo> Encapsulation: void Socket::enable() < Socket hasn't been declared. You included the socket library above (however you do it in c++?)
[18:34] <seriema> `ping www.google.com` gives unknown host. I guess I don't really have an IP then?
[18:34] <AlephTwo> seriema ifconfig
[18:35] <seriema> AlephTwo: yeah? that's where I'm seeing the weird IP. 169.254...
[18:35] <AlephTwo> what's the address?
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[18:37] <seriema>
[18:37] * seriema expects a wave of viruses now
[18:37] <AlephTwo> no reachy
[18:37] <AlephTwo> so probably default or bad-config
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[18:37] <seriema> hm ok
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[18:37] <seriema> maybe my cable. let me check it out. brb
[18:38] <AlephTwo> IP is wrong - look in config. If it's getting an address from your router's dns, ensure the router is doing the right thing.
[18:38] <AlephTwo> Or are you point to point?
[18:39] <AlephTwo> If your pc is bridging your pi, then your pc may have given it a different subnet to isolate it
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[18:41] <AlephTwo> Encapsulation: this link says that it's expecting a pointer to a filebuf object is cf a filebuf object?
[18:41] <AlephTwo> http://www.cplusplus.com/reference/fstream/ofstream/ofstream/
[18:42] <AlephTwo> But I know not C++, C, python, javascript, bash, etc.
[18:42] <AlephTwo> (just c, python...etc.)
[18:42] <Encapsulation> AlephTwo, I declare socket earlier
[18:42] <Encapsulation> in the header file
[18:42] <Encapsulation> its myt own library
[18:42] <Encapsulation> class
[18:42] <AlephTwo> The errors start right at the std::ofstream line
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[18:43] <AlephTwo> So the issue is with ofstream
[18:43] <Encapsulation> I think thats because I didn't put up a complete test case
[18:43] <AlephTwo> But I can't help beyond suggesting what to look at.
[18:43] <Encapsulation> I needed to #include <fstream>
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[18:44] <AlephTwo> there'y' go. Check your socket include on the other link also
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[18:44] <Goldy> Encapsulation, it's compiling fine?
[18:45] <Encapsulation> it compiles fine yes
[18:45] <Encapsulation> and that last bit of code and others create files
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[18:45] <Encapsulation> but the first bit I linked
[18:45] <Encapsulation> there is no file being created
[18:45] <Encapsulation> the 2nd link is me trying to recreate the function in a standalone program
[18:45] <Encapsulation> and it works
[18:45] <Goldy> have you initialised 'on = false'
[18:45] <Goldy> ?
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[18:45] <Encapsulation> I simply cannot figure out why the file isnt being created in my real program
[18:45] <Encapsulation> yes
[18:45] <Encapsulation> and the cout statement executes
[18:45] <Encapsulation> but the file isnt created
[18:46] <Encapsulation> ocket::Socket() : on(false).... etc
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[18:52] <seriema> AlephTwo: it was the port on my router that's messed up. just switched and it works again
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[18:55] <jostef> help my raspberry pi not connect to internet
[18:55] <jostef> i wrote route -n and i have two lines
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[18:56] <jostef> ...
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[18:56] <jostef> ...
[18:56] <seriema> urgh what now? wpa_supplicant: /sbin/wpa_supplicant daemon failed to start ; run-parts: /etc/network/if-pre-up.d/wpasupplicant exited with return code 1
[18:56] <jostef> please help!!!
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[18:56] <seriema> jostef: wifi or cable?
[18:56] <jostef> cable :>
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[18:57] <jostef> i had fsck before and i wrote fsck and i think it fixed :D
[18:57] <Encapsulation> this sucks
[18:57] <Encapsulation> I'm so sclose
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[18:58] <jostef> but startpar fail
[18:58] <jostef> i tried google and nothing
[18:58] <jostef> please help me
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[18:58] <Doomsday> hi everyone
[18:58] <jostef> i ping and said dest host unreachable
[18:59] <Doomsday> everyone still asleep?
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[19:00] <Encapsulation> I'm awake
[19:00] <Encapsulation> and struggling
[19:00] <Encapsulation> stupid code
[19:00] <Encapsulation> argh
[19:00] <Doomsday> I know the feeling
[19:00] <Encapsulation> learning gdb now =D
[19:00] <jostef> seriema:
[19:01] <jostef> Encapsulation: from where do you learn gdb?
[19:01] <Doomsday> esh, Im attempting to learn some armv7 asm
[19:01] <Encapsulation> jostef, from its built in help right now
[19:01] <Encapsulation> and google
[19:02] <jostef> What?
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[19:02] <jostef> I typed "/etc/init.d/networking restart" and then route -n and i have NOTHING
[19:03] <Encapsulation> jostef, what is the problem?
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[19:03] <jostef> [19:55] <jostef> help my raspberry pi not connect to internet
[19:03] <Doomsday> what adapter are you using?
[19:04] <jostef> what do you mean?
[19:04] <seriema> jostef: if you connect that cable to your computer, does it work? I just had an issue where first my cable was broken, then the port on the router...
[19:04] <McBride36> i put mine ontop the router and it connected
[19:04] <jostef> it's connect to router!!
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[19:05] <jostef> TWWWWWW
[19:05] <jostef> WINNNNNNNNN
[19:05] <jostef> WINNNN!!
[19:05] <jostef> it works i changed to dhcp
[19:05] <torkelatgenet> Hi, i have a question about Hostapd, i've gotten it working and all that, but now i want to hide the ssid so that it doesn't show up in other peoples wifi-list. I have tried the ignore_broadcast_ssid to both 1 and 2 but none deliver the desired result, does anyone have any idea on why it is so?
[19:05] <p3lim> Anyone got a suggestion for system monitoring (web service)?
[19:05] <jostef> how do i backup from ssh?
[19:06] <jostef> is it possible!?
[19:06] <Encapsulation> rsync
[19:06] <Encapsulation> and scp
[19:06] <Doomsday> When I turned on ssh it sent my pi2 into a kernel panic, never could figure out why
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[19:07] <Encapsulation> OMFG
[19:07] <Encapsulation> OMFG
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[19:08] <Encapsulation> AlephTwo, I solved it
[19:08] <Encapsulation> I was running the wrong PROGRAM!!!
[19:08] <Encapsulation> my g++ script builds to the current dir
[19:08] <Encapsulation> I was running a previously compiled version in a diffewrent folder
[19:08] <Encapsulation> I kept tweaking recompiling
[19:08] <Encapsulation> testing
[19:09] <Encapsulation> never once did I run the new build
[19:09] <Encapsulation> hahahahaha
[19:09] <Encapsulation> so much time wasted
[19:09] <Encapsulation> incredible.
[19:09] <Doomsday> Are you using an auto make or your own make file?
[19:09] <Bilby> grrr
[19:10] <Bilby> iceweasel isn't auto-refreshing google calander, and the auto-refresh add-on i downloaded isn't working either :|
[19:10] <Encapsulation> I'm using g++
[19:10] <Doomsday> g++ is part of the gnu compiler chain correct?
[19:11] <seriema> eh, my rpi is now taking forever to boot...
[19:11] <jostef> how
[19:11] <Encapsulation> I beleive so
[19:11] <jostef> it's fast for me
[19:11] <jostef> which rpi you have?
[19:12] <Encapsulation> seriema, whats connected to it
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[19:12] <Encapsulation> a shitty chinese wifi adapter?
[19:12] <Doomsday> I have yet to see alot of applications take advantage of the extra cores the rpi2 has now
[19:12] <Encapsulation> I had a VERY slow boot with a defective dongle connected
[19:13] <seriema> the same thing that was connected when I rebooted a few minutes ago without any issues =/
[19:13] <seriema> avahi-daemon, seems stuck there
[19:13] <Encapsulation> seriema, chinese wifi adapter?
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[19:13] <Encapsulation> their lifespan can be measured in minutes sometimes
[19:13] <Encapsulation> I've gone through 5 of them now
[19:13] <Encapsulation> in 3 months
[19:13] <Encapsulation> they just burn up
[19:13] <torkelatgenet> its on a raspberry pi with a small netgear adapter
[19:13] <seriema> haha naw
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[19:13] <seriema> xbox 360 controller + wifi dongle from tlink
[19:13] <Doomsday> i got an edimax one and its been working great
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[19:15] <Doomsday> the edimax one even works on my hackintosh
[19:16] * Encapsulation celebrates
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[19:18] <Doomsday> Do you guys have any idea if java in a large scale applicatin can be depolyed on the PI2
[19:18] <Doomsday> i know the jvm is a memory hog, so im not sure
[19:19] <Encapsulation> are you developing a large scale app
[19:19] <Encapsulation> why java
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[19:20] <Doomsday> id hate to have to do the project im thinking of in python, i have a distain for python
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[19:20] <Doomsday> java is my most "comfortable" language I know
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[19:22] <Doomsday> Well the project is a recreation of a classic MUD
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[19:23] <Encapsulation> what don't you like about python?
[19:23] <Encapsulation> I prefer c++ myself without much to compare it to but I'm interested in python
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[19:23] <Encapsulation> and to some extent java
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[19:24] <Doomsday> the syntax the indentation all that jaz
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[19:30] <seriema> I _think_ my dual boot thing worked. but I've given up now. I kinda want all the space for roms and no hassle when installing stuff for coding. bought a separate 16gb sd card today anyway.
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[19:36] <seriema> soon I'll be transferring several gigs of roms to my retropie. should I use usb dongle or would ssh be ok?
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[19:42] <shiftplusone> seriema: how much time do you have?
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[19:48] <seriema> shiftplusone: ehm well, by tomorrow would be nice but it would be nice to have it faster than that ofc
[19:49] <shiftplusone> I think you get where I'm going with this. Copying file on a USB stick is much faster.
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[19:52] <seriema> lol yes...
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[19:55] <seriema> `sudo ifup wlan0` gives me "ifup: interface wlan0 already configured". but `ifconfig` only shows eth0 and lo. what's going on?
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[19:55] <seriema> I don't see my wifi dongle in lsusb, so maybe that's the issue?..
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[19:57] <seriema> probably it yeah
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[19:57] <seriema> why do I always get "r8188eu 1-1.3:1.0: Firmware rtlwifi/rtl8188eufw.bin not available" on a newly installed raspbian, and my wifi dongle connected? it seems to detect it properly, but never finding the firmware and not saying anything unless I check `dmesg`
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[19:59] <seriema> running `sudo wget -O /lib/firmware/rtlwifi/rtl8188eufw.bin https://github.com/OpenELEC/wlan-firmware/blob/master/firmware/rtlwifi/rtl8188eufw.bin?raw=true` solves it but... why do I need to run it?
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[20:09] <fred1807> I just installed raspbian on my pi. But I dont have keyboard or mouse. I have a screen attached to hdmi, my raspberry boots, it is on the raspi-config screen (I cant use it because I got now usb keyboard). So I want to ssh to it from my mac. I know the ip is (I see it on router dhcp, with the mac adress common to raspberrys.) I can ping to it. But if I ssh pi@192... I got connection refused. Same with root@192
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[20:10] <jer> if connection is refused, that means the port isn't open.. the username is only used once the ssh client can connect to the server over the port which, in your case is closed.
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[20:11] <jmzc> hi
[20:11] <jer> if you don't have keyboard, you're out of luck i'm afraid since the ssh port is not up
[20:11] <jmzc> i've got a question about PSU
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[20:12] <seriema> oops got disconnected
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[20:12] <jmzc> RPI draws current from PSU . And according to Omh law : I = V/R
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[20:13] <jmzc> if V and R are constant , why is I increased when plugging a USB device ?
[20:13] <nirokato> fred1807: are you sure the IP is correct? you mentioned a address, this is not an internal address.
[20:13] <Kunsi> because there are two devices now, not one, jmzc
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[20:14] <jmzc> Kunsi, yes, i know that ...but I don't understand why "I" is increased if V and R are constant ?
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[20:16] <Kunsi> jmzc: U and R (you mean U, not V) of raspi are same. but there is another device now, so you get I = (U/R)+(U/R)
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[20:18] <jmzc> I mean Voltage ( I don't know how is in English )
[20:19] <Kunsi> yes, U is voltage, R is resistor, I is power (ampere)
[20:19] <jmzc> ok
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[20:19] <jmzc> but external device ( I mean, USB device ) is supplied by RPI PSU
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[20:20] <Kunsi> so?
[20:20] <Froolap> I is here. all in favor say I.
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[20:20] <Froolap> the nay's have it
[20:20] <Kunsi> jmzc: 5V power line of your PSU goes straight through your raspi, one way to pi itself, other way to your usb device
[20:20] <jmzc> Kunsi, to increase Ic ( power ) to need increase voltage ( U )
[20:21] <Kunsi> in this case, you lower R
[20:21] <jmzc> Kunsi, where ?
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[20:22] <jmzc> where part of circuit descreases its R
[20:23] <Kunsi> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Series_and_parallel_circuits#Resistors_2
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[20:23] <Kunsi> exactly, http://upload.wikimedia.org/math/7/5/8/7586c228572a85f763534f4d0feb32e4.png
[20:24] <jmzc> Kunsi, ummm...thanks
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[20:35] <AlephTwo> Yeah. My pi came back from the dead after I plugged in my HD. No need for a screen :)
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[20:38] * Bilby is super confused now
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[20:39] <Bilby> I installed iceweasel and google cal is behaving like it's a modern browser - which should mean when you update something it automatically refreshes
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[20:39] <Bilby> BUT it doesnt' seem to be, or at least it's not doing it often. so i installed an add-on that should refresh the page every 30 seconds or so... but it doesn't seem to be doing that either
[20:40] <Bilby> but ~eventually~ it updates
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[20:45] <pnwise> I am looking to monitor few VPSs with Pi using Nagios and Munin and install Owncloud on it with external HDD. Should go with raspbian or directly with debian?
[20:45] <pnwise> Is raspbian uses debian repos?
[20:46] <Bilby> I would use raspibian for the better community support, once you know what you're on about you can always rebuild with debian or something like minibian
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[20:47] <Captain_Crow> are there any automated gui that install lcd drivers on pi?
[20:49] <MY123> Android is coming :-)
[20:49] <MY123> with HW acceleration
[20:50] <MY123> @anholt is writing the Android support for the Gallium driver!
[20:50] <MY123> $lollipop
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[20:53] <seriema> any tips on unzipping a 700+ .zip files?.. damn roms
[20:53] <Captain_Crow> are there forks of raspbian with lcd support built in?
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[20:55] <Kunsi> seriema: unzip *.zip?
[20:55] <pmumble> seriema: or find and unzip
[20:56] <seriema> one that deletes the zip if the unarchiving was successful? I've had problems with unzipping and failing then having to try them all again
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[20:57] <pmumble> something like find . -name *.zip -exec unzip {} && mv {} unzipped/ \;?
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[20:58] <seriema> pmumble: if I could read that I could say "yes", but I'll say yes anyway
[20:59] <pmumble> that one particular find syntax is really useful.. && only executes the next commmand if the previous one returned successful
[20:59] <pmumble> {} substitues the found file name
[20:59] <seriema> right
[20:59] <pmumble> \; ends the command
[21:00] <Froolap> what does the ? do?
[21:00] <pmumble> it typos
[21:00] <seriema> lol?
[21:00] <pmumble> oh
[21:00] <pmumble> it was the question
[21:00] <pmumble> lol
[21:00] <Froolap> {} unzipped/ \;? the ?
[21:00] <pmumble> something like ..... ?
[21:00] <seriema> lol
[21:00] <pmumble> bad way to type it, sorry having first cup of coffee =)
[21:00] <seriema> I like adding "&& say done" and "|| say error" but how would that fit with the \; ?
[21:01] <Froolap> so the ? isn't part of the syntax???
[21:01] <pmumble> right froo, it was part of the surrounding sentence
[21:01] <seriema> pmumble: it's 21:01 man, a bit late to wake up now
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[21:01] <pmumble> 12:01 here :)
[21:01] <Froolap> just wanting to be clear, thanks
[21:01] * seriema assumes everyone lives in his country, because he learned that from American movies
[21:01] <pmumble> haha
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[21:02] <pmumble> it might need some quotes in there too, yeah.. untested command, just a sketch idea
[21:02] <pmumble> if the && interferes, i mean
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[21:02] <seriema> so could I do `(find . -name *.zip -exec unzip {} && mv {} unzipped/ && say done) || say error \;` ?
[21:03] <seriema> I just want something to poke me when it's done because it might take a while
[21:03] <seriema> meh I'll just add `say done` after the ;
[21:03] <pmumble> the line after -exec happens every time a file is found
[21:03] <pmumble> up until the \;
[21:03] <MY123> seriema, you are in the same TZ as me
[21:04] <pmumble> yeah just experiment in a test dir
[21:04] <seriema> pmumble: argh find: 688 Attack Sub (UE) [!].zip: unknown primary or operator
[21:04] <pmumble> move a couple files into it and mess around until it works
[21:04] <pmumble> im no expert
[21:04] <seriema> somethings up with spaces I guess
[21:04] <seriema> how do I "" the command?
[21:04] <seriema> MY123: sweden? =)
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[21:04] <MY123> seriema, France
[21:05] <pmumble> ill play around on my machine and see
[21:05] <seriema> MY123: but that's south? shouldn't that be another TZ then?
[21:05] <seriema> kidding!
[21:06] <seriema> pmumble: oh ok, thanks
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[21:07] <seriema> in the meanwhile...
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[21:07] <seriema> what's this about? I've got a 64gb sd and nothing on it. "cannot copy extracted data for './lib/modules/3.18.11-v7+/kernel/fs/ocfs2/ocfs2.ko' to '/lib/modules/3.18.11-v7+/kernel/fs/ocfs2/ocfs2.ko.dpkg-new': failed to write (No space left on device)"
[21:07] <seriema> happens on `sudo apt-get upgrad`
[21:07] <seriema> * `sudo apt-get upgrade`
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[21:14] <Kunsi> >no space left on device
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[21:15] <seriema> Kunsi: exactly, and how does that happen on a 64gb sd that's pretty much empty?
[21:15] <ShorTie> sounds like a partition needs expanding
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[21:15] <seriema> it doesn't reboot now =(
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[21:15] <seriema> don't even get anything on the screen
[21:15] <Kunsi> check `df -h` to see where your space is gone
[21:16] <ShorTie> you need free space to boot
[21:16] <seriema> can't. it's dead.
[21:16] <seriema> and how do I do that
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[21:16] <ShorTie> got another linux box ??
[21:16] <seriema> well, I did install Debian on a VM yesterday... haven't tried it yet but now would be the perfect time I guess!
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[21:17] <seriema> Ubuntu actually
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[21:17] <seriema> ok it's running. now what? =D
[21:17] <seriema> (the vm, not the rpi)
[21:17] <fred1807> need to get music audio (from mpd player) to both analog+hdmi simultaneously
[21:18] <ShorTie> might be able to go into /var/cache/apt and clean out all the deb's to get some free space
[21:18] <H__> next to df -h, also check df -i (inodes)
[21:18] <seriema> by mounting it somehow or?..
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[21:19] <H__> filesystem needs to be mounted for df, yes
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[21:21] <pmumble> seriema: i learned something, thanks. you use multiple -execs
[21:21] <pmumble> find . -name '*.zip' -exec unzip {} \; -exec mv {} unzipped \;
[21:21] <pmumble> supposedly the second exec is only chained on success
[21:22] <seriema> pmumble: aha thx!
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[21:22] <seriema> pmumble: it's running like crazy now :D
[21:22] <pmumble> cool :)
[21:23] <seriema> how did I see the available things to mount?..
[21:26] <seriema> http://elinux.org/RPi_Easy_SD_Card_Setup
[21:27] <Froolap> blkid or lsblk
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[21:28] <seriema> lsblk gave https://gist.github.com/anonymous/ada8243b5533a0851f3d
[21:29] <seriema> using the GUI it seems that it's pretty full
[21:29] <seriema> oooh btw, this might be a faster way to copy I guess? from my mac into the vm with the retropie sd mounted?
[21:30] <Froolap> personally, I prefer blkid
[21:30] <seriema> well blkid isn't very talkative. it just says /dev/sr0: LABEL="CDROM" TYPE="iso9660"
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[21:31] <Froolap> yup, and the /dev/sr0 is what you would feed the mount command, then TYPE="iso9660 you would also feed to the mount command
[21:32] <seriema> ShorTie: what do I do with /var/cache/apt? you said clear out all the deb's, but what exactly does that imply? can I just clear out the whole folder or just some things?
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[21:32] <seriema> Froolap: ehm, I can see the files on the partition through the GUI. doesn't that mean it's already mounted somehow?
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[21:33] <Froolap> Depends on the gui and no, it doesn't mean that it must be mounted, it might just be showing what's available.... which gui????
[21:34] <seriema> Froolap: ehm, Ubuntu Linux Desktop is what it says =/
[21:34] <Froolap> if you want to know what's mounted you use the mount command.... mount|more|grep \^\/dev\/
[21:34] <Froolap> Well that could mean anything.....
[21:35] <seriema> lol
[21:35] <osxyer> I did plug my rp2 with a 2a psu and put usb_current_max:1 and still not enough to pwoer ext hdd...what is wrong
[21:35] <Froolap> there are lots of gui tools, that do close to the same thing.....
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[21:36] <Froolap> You need a powered external hub, and depending on the usb drive you might require two usb connections....
[21:36] <seriema> Froolap: mount gave me: /dev/sdb2 on /media/parallels/retropie type ext4 (rw,nosuid,nodev,uhelper=udisks2) among other things
[21:36] <seriema> can I just clean out retropie/var/cache/apt ?
[21:36] <seriema> like, completely?
[21:37] <Froolap> yeah, so sdb2 appears to be mounted....
[21:37] <Froolap> I don't run debian, so I can't give advice for apt.....
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[21:38] <seriema> ok...
[21:38] <Froolap> ... /media/parallels/retropie would be the location that /dev/sdb2 would be mounted
[21:38] <seriema> can I increase the partition size anyway? even though there's only 2mb free on this partition? it seems to total at 2gb, but the sd card is 64gb
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[21:39] <seriema> sdb 8:16 1 59.6G 0 disk
[21:39] <seriema> I kinda want to use it all for the retropie partition
[21:40] <Froolap> gparted won't resize a partition that is mounted. need to unmount first
[21:41] <seriema> lol
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[21:43] <seriema> ok, umount /dev/sdb2
[21:44] <seriema> how can I use gparted without formatting the whole thing?
[21:44] <Froolap> do you have another linux box?
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[21:47] <seriema> one more?.. I'm using my VM =/
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[21:47] <Froolap> I know that some images offer the option to resize during first boot, but I don't know what magic they use to make it happen.
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[21:48] <Kunsi> Froolap: raspi-config has an option to do that
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[21:48] <Froolap> well if you can put the sd card into a linux machine then unmount the sd card when xwindows decides to auto mount the sd card, then you can run gparted on the sd card and resize.
[21:48] <pmumble> well, if there is room after the partition you wish to resize, you can simply delete the partition and recreate it with the same start sector and a larger end sector
[21:48] <pmumble> then resize the fs
[21:48] <pmumble> thats what raspi-config does, likely
[21:49] <seriema> argh
[21:49] <Froolap> I've heard about that, but i've never actually done it or seen it done...... so I dunno.
[21:49] <seriema> I'm running retropie though =/ not sure how it's actually constructed, but I used their sd-image
[21:49] <pmumble> i've done it manually like that on the pi
[21:49] <pmumble> works
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[21:50] <Froolap> then you are the one that could best advise..... thanks
[21:51] <seriema> pmumble: how do I clear the apt cache? I think that would be a good start
[21:51] <seriema> it seems that I might be able to run raspi-config from the retropie terminal if I can just get it to boot
[21:51] <pmumble> the above i mentioned, i did with fdisk successfully, but it does require you have room after the selected partition. it would likely need to be the last partition on the card
[21:51] <pmumble> not sure, i'd be in man apt-cache to answer
[21:53] <pmumble> apt-get clean?
[21:53] <seriema> I can't boot it
[21:53] <ShorTie> that what i said, but manully
[21:53] <seriema> that's why I need to clear this out
[21:53] <ShorTie> might be able to go into /var/cache/apt and clean out all the deb's to get some free space
[21:53] <pmumble> /var/cache/apt/archives and /var/cache/apt/archives/partial
[21:53] <seriema> ShorTie: yeah, but I wanted to know if "all the deb's" meant * or specific files
[21:53] <ShorTie> all = all
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[21:54] <pmumble> apt-get clean says it removes everything but the lock file from those two dirs
[21:54] <ShorTie> it's where apt-get downloads the files it is gonna install
[21:55] <ShorTie> once installed you do not need them any more
[21:55] <seriema> oki
[21:56] <seriema> gonna try to boot now
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[21:58] <seriema> I'm getting a bit worried =/ nothing outputs on the screen
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[21:59] <seriema> literally nothing. my TV doesn't even react
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[22:00] <AlephTwo> seriema: read https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=58151
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[22:00] <AlephTwo> does the led flash for drive access?
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[22:01] <ShorTie> sounds like time for a wipe-n-reload
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[22:01] <ShorTie> and then expand partition
[22:01] <ShorTie> and then go play
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[22:01] <seriema> I tried me other sd card, and it boots
[22:01] <seriema> yupp, seems like wipe and try again
[22:01] <pmumble> does the rainbow splash exist in the pi or on the sd?
[22:01] <AlephTwo> For NOOBS Activate the (correct) video mode after it has booted After NOOBS boots it waits about ten seconds for a key press to change the mode of the emitted Video, It starts with generating an "ideal" HDMI signal, but some HDMI monitors may not be able to
[22:02] <pmumble> oh ok
[22:02] <AlephTwo> display it, and composite video users will only see a black screen. So, within the ten seconds, (repeatedly) press any of the keys 1 to 4 to switch to "Ideal HDMI", "safe HDMI", "PAL composite" or "NTSC composite", after the ten seconds NOOBS will start doing some other
[22:02] <ShorTie> scrub noobs too if using it, lol.
[22:03] <pmumble> fwiw seriema i had great luck installing retropie on top of raspian using script mode a couple of days ago
[22:03] <pmumble> no issues
[22:04] <pmumble> binary mode
[22:04] <seriema> pmumble: cool. I've been at this since wednesday last week so I guess you win =)
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[22:08] <pmumble> i just used the raspian image then ran the few commands for the retropie script. it took an hour or something and then worked. its bare though, bring your own roms. not sure if the retropie image comes with more.
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[22:08] <pmumble> now if my controllers would just show up in the post
[22:09] <seriema> might do that if this doesn't work
[22:09] <seriema> currently burning the image to sd
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[22:09] <seriema> I really want this to work for friday...
[22:10] <Froolap> if you burn it, then it won't work any more.
[22:10] <Froolap> lol
[22:10] <pmumble> lol
[22:10] <seriema> ...
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[22:10] <seriema> there's the company summer party, and our CEO used to play ice hockey. apparently he's one of the players in NHL94 for MegaDrive :D
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[22:11] <schuc> having a devil of a time trying to get an image written to an sd card... these are new cards too
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[22:12] <Froolap> what are you trying to do?
[22:13] <schuc> initally was trying to take an image of my own card
[22:13] <schuc> now for a sanity check, I'm trying to write a downloaded raspian image to a card
[22:13] <schuc> says the write was successful, but it won't boot... black screen
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[22:15] <AlephTwo> schuc: flashing leds?
[22:16] <schuc> on the pi? the power light is on
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[22:16] <AlephTwo> If so, erratic or regular? Not the power, the drive light when you boot it.
[22:16] <schuc> nope no activity
[22:17] <AlephTwo> You have anything else attached to the pi?
[22:17] <schuc> power and hdmi
[22:17] <AlephTwo> You are running linux on your pc?
[22:17] <schuc> windows
[22:18] <schuc> tried a new pi too
[22:18] <AlephTwo> Don't know how windows examines sd cards.
[22:18] <AlephTwo> Not sure if the pi requires it, but you may need to set the bootable flag on the sd card
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[22:18] <schuc> hmm... I think I'll try another card writer
[22:18] <AlephTwo> The card is known, good card?
[22:19] <schuc> yea, brand new
[22:19] <AlephTwo> Could be the writer, my friend had issues with a builtin one on their laptop
[22:19] <schuc> I've tried 3 cards now
[22:19] <schuc> yea, I'm thinking the writer now
[22:19] <AlephTwo> It could *possibly* be the power supply
[22:19] <schuc> that would mean those images I took could be junk
[22:20] <schuc> but I'm just trying to get the official raspian image to work first
[22:20] <AlephTwo> Check your power supply. 5v 1.5A or so for your use
[22:20] <AlephTwo> <1A and you may have issues
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[22:21] <schuc> it's from canakit... 1A
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[22:23] <schuc> using new writer now......
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[22:31] <k_j> what a pain
[22:32] <k_j> i cannot start iceweasel at boot
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[22:32] <k_j> for some reasons it does not start
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[22:33] <schuc> Bingo!!
[22:33] <schuc> crap writer
[22:34] <schuc> ugh... so those images I took of my good card(which I have already written over) are surely junk as well then
[22:34] <schuc> I'm going to try and see
[22:34] <Berg> k_j: you put it in the startup list ?
[22:34] <k_j> yes
[22:34] <Berg> hmm
[22:35] <k_j> /etc/xdg/lxsession/LXDE-pi/autostart
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[22:35] <Berg> maybe us a .sh at startup?
[22:35] <Berg> start it
[22:35] <Berg> then l;et it start broiuser
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[22:37] <seriema> got my clean install of retropie now but... sudo ifup wlan0 gives "ioctl[SIOCSIWAP]: Operation not permitted"
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[22:38] <DANtheBEASTman> is there a better way to backup my SD card than `ssh rpi 'dd if=/dev/mmcblk0' | dd of=rpi.img` ?
[22:38] <dyce> is there such thing as aesni for arm
[22:38] <Encrypt> DANtheBEASTman, You if is wrong
[22:38] <Encrypt> id=/dev/sd...
[22:38] <Encrypt> if*
[22:38] <dyce> well aes-ni is a intel tech, so does any arm cpus have aes built in
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[22:39] <Encrypt> DANtheBEASTman, And no, that's the best way to make a backup
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[22:39] <DANtheBEASTman> Encrypt: on normal HDD your disk is represented as /dev/sd* but SD cards show up as /dev/mmcblk*
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[22:39] <Encrypt> Hum
[22:39] <DANtheBEASTman> if you run lsblk on your rpi you won't find any /dev/sd* entries
[22:39] <Encrypt> Ah
[22:40] <Encrypt> Directly on your pi?
[22:40] <DANtheBEASTman> yes.
[22:40] <Encrypt> When I do a backup, I unplug my pi and extract the SD Card
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[22:40] <Encrypt> To do the dd on the computer
[22:40] <Mateon1> Hello, I'm on Raspbian, connected to my pi via an X session over SSH. Whenever I try to run Squeak I get a dialog saying "There are several Squeak images" "choose one:" but there are none listed below that.
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[22:41] <DANtheBEASTman> AFAICT my command would work and without any downtime.. though I'm not sure if I should use .img or .iso to store
[22:41] <DANtheBEASTman> I did also think about doing rsync but that wouldn't retain my bootloader or any other partitions
[22:42] <seriema> I'm SSH'ing to my rpi, but it doesn't seem connected to the internet? if I try to ping google I get "connect: Network is unreachable "
[22:43] <tawr> seriema, how is it setup on your router?
[22:43] <tawr> how is it connected? wifi? ethernet cable? how did you find it's ip?
[22:43] <seriema> tawr: nothing special. it's been working fine so far. switched from cable to wifi and rebooted
[22:44] <seriema> tawr: hostname -I
[22:44] <tawr> oh, you have it connected to a tv / keyboard (not headless)
[22:44] <tawr> try ping
[22:44] <seriema> tawr: both, but I'm ssh'ing to it as well
[22:44] <seriema> didn't work (
[22:44] <fyrril> why is the WN725N so difficult to configure
[22:45] <seriema> fyrril: I think that's the one I'm using. tlink usb wifi dongle?
[22:45] <fyrril> seriema tp-link yes
[22:45] <seriema> fyrril: I have a link I download from and it usually works perfectly after a reboot
[22:46] <seriema> fyrril: sudo wget -O /lib/firmware/rtlwifi/rtl8188eufw.bin https://github.com/OpenELEC/wlan-firmware/blob/master/firmware/rtlwifi/rtl8188eufw.bin?raw=true
[22:46] <tawr> it shouldn't be fyrril
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[22:46] <tawr> ^ right there
[22:46] <tawr> that gets it running
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[22:47] <seriema> tawr: I only set up /etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf should I setup something else?
[22:47] <tawr> i didn't even do it that way
[22:47] <tawr> i just put everything into 1 file
[22:47] <seriema> hmm I have this "iface wlan0 inet manual"
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[22:47] <seriema> maybe it should be "dhcp"?
[22:47] <tawr> in /etc/interfaces
[22:47] <tawr> it should be.
[22:48] <tawr> pm
[22:48] <fyrril> seriema: thanks I'll give it a shot, I've tried about 100 different configurations in /etc/network/interfaces
[22:48] <tawr> fyrril, that's the proper way to do it.
[22:48] <seriema> fyrril: you just need that and a reboot. if your config is good that is hehe
[22:48] <tawr> configuring stuff in interfaces is NOT going to chage drivers.
[22:49] <tawr> which is what is needed.
[22:49] <seriema> fyrril: I've reinstalled my rpi like 20 times these past few days hehe
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[22:49] <fyrril> seriema: it's a good frustration I think
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[22:50] <Berg> how many times can you re-install before you wear groves in your SD card?
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[22:50] <seriema> fyrril: hehe well it's mostly been my own fault. I've tried dualbooting raspbian and retropie
[22:51] <fyrril> tawr: I had a light on the dongle yesterday but I've goofed something now. lfconfig was showing eth0 and wlan0 both connected but only seeing wired on my router homepage
[22:51] <tawr> fyrril, check pm
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[22:55] <k_j> is it possible to use a keyboard on my pc to move the mouse point on a remote rpi x session?
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[22:58] <ShorTie> not keyboard, but mouse with x11vnc
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[22:59] <ShorTie> or not that i know of for keyboard
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[23:01] <Froolap> you could try playing with the num-lock key and the numeric keypad.....
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[23:05] <seriema> maybe I shouldn't be doing apt-get upgrade on retropie?..
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[23:07] <fyrril> D:
[23:07] <fyrril> http://pastebin.com/n5ZXQKU4
[23:08] <Palmer11> ...
[23:09] <c0de1> ello there
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[23:11] <Encrypt> fyrril, What do you want to do?
[23:11] <Encrypt> Ah
[23:11] <Encrypt> Trying to connect wlan0
[23:11] <Captain_Crow> are there any lcd touch screens under $50 that work with the pi out of the box without needing special drivers or custom oses?
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[23:12] <Froolap> i think they will all require a driver of some type.
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[23:13] <Captain_Crow> isn't there anything that can just connect through usb instead of the pins?
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[23:14] <AlephTwo> http://www.ebay.com/itm/New-SAMSUNG-7-LED-LCD-Touch-Screen-Monitor-Kit-Outdoor-/110659973152
[23:15] <AlephTwo> http://www.digikey.ca/product-detail/en/F07A-0102/1176-1012-ND/3079229 But I don't know how it connects.
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[23:17] <Captain_Crow> i was looking for something in the $20-50 range, why dont the monitors just use a standard mouse driver?
[23:17] <AlephTwo> http://www.adafruit.com/products/1770
[23:17] <AlephTwo> small but cute
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[23:18] <AlephTwo> http://www.adafruit.com/products/2109 $80 but 800x480
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[23:19] <AlephTwo> http://www.carcomputer.co.uk/index.php?/hdmi-monitors/raspberry-pi-compatible-10.1-hdmi-touch-screen-monitor for the UK
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[23:19] <Captain_Crow> dont those require custom oses to run?
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[23:20] <AlephTwo> most likely just driver installs
[23:20] <AlephTwo> apt-get etc.
[23:20] <AlephTwo> or a module compile
[23:20] <seriema> hmm there seems to be a bunch of emulators missing on my retropie... I thought it was supposed to come preinstalled with a bunch of them
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[23:20] <Captain_Crow> i have a monitor, but the instructions were alot longer than apt-get
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[23:21] <AlephTwo> They are using custom wheezy. They have a custom os for pi2
[23:22] <AlephTwo> Pretty sure they will give you instructions on what they did. After all, they just grabbed requisite libraries, configured & dropped images.
[23:22] <AlephTwo> http://www.adafruit.com/products/2453 for $20.
[23:23] <ShorTie> seriema, it's illegal to passout rom's
[23:23] <AlephTwo> http://www.adafruit.com/products/2354 $47.50
[23:23] <seriema> ShorTie: no not roms. emulators
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[23:24] <AlephTwo> seriema: Most of the emus aren't installed by default - only Mame.
[23:24] <seriema> I see Atari and Macintosh and a few of them, but not SNES or MegaDrive
[23:24] <AlephTwo> I have done an Amiga emu install a while back.
[23:24] <seriema> AlephTwo: oh what the...
[23:25] <AlephTwo> NOTE: If a system does not have at least one game present (that matches the extension list), it will not be displayed.
[23:25] <AlephTwo> Drop the games/roms and it will apparently work
[23:25] <AlephTwo> maybe...
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[23:25] <seriema> ah
[23:26] <AlephTwo> http://emulationstation.org/gettingstarted.html
[23:27] <AlephTwo> https://github.com/Aloshi/EmulationStation/tree/unstable#emulationstation
[23:27] <AlephTwo> which takes you to https://github.com/petrockblog/RetroPie-Setup
[23:27] <AlephTwo> But afaik. Emulation station will work when you scarf the roms
[23:27] <AlephTwo> (so anybody here have roms? *ssshhhh*)
[23:28] <ShorTie> it's illegal to passout rom's
[23:28] <ShorTie> so against freenode's rulez
[23:28] <AlephTwo> I never asked for any roms. I just asked if anybody had any.
[23:28] <tawr> ^
[23:29] <tawr> don't risk this entire community because you suck at google
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[23:32] <AlephTwo> bollox to this. Another time guys.
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[23:33] <seriema> naw...
[23:34] <Berg> i feel dirty
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[23:36] <seriema> how different would the retropie partition look when I boot it on the rpi versus mounting it on a linux vm?
[23:36] <seriema> or raspbian for that matter
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[23:37] <seriema> what would ~/x/y correspond to?
[23:39] <seriema> the docs mention ~/RetroPie/x/ but when mounting then the partition is called "retropie" but inside it there's usr/, sys/, lib/ etc but no x/
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[23:40] <seriema> nvm, found it. it was home/pi/RetroPie
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[23:45] <ahop> Hello! can I overwrite myself like : dd if=/media/blah.img of=/dev/mmcblk0 (this contains root!)
[23:45] <ahop> Or will it hang?
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[23:46] <SpeedEvil> At the very least, you need to unmount swap
[23:46] <SpeedEvil> And mount the filesystem readonly
[23:46] <SpeedEvil> and then go single-user
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[23:46] <SpeedEvil> and then it may work
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[23:49] <ahop> SpeedEvil: swap: done, ro: done, how to go single user?
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[23:51] <Froolap> I would think that dd would overwite the image before the image is done being written.
[23:51] <ahop> Froolap sorry?
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[23:51] <ahop> oh the image is on an external USB stick
[23:51] <SpeedEvil> Froolap: I'm assumig that the image is on some other filesystem
[23:51] <ahop> connected to the Pi
[23:52] <Froolap> if you are dd from an omage that is the taget of dd.......
[23:52] <ahop> SpeedEvil: how could I go single user?
[23:52] <SpeedEvil> init S
[23:52] <SpeedEvil> though I don't know that it will work on whatever distribution you are using
[23:53] <ahop> Currently trying dd if=myimg.img of=/dev/mmcblk0
[23:53] <ahop> It's like cutting the branch I'm sitting on :)
[23:53] <ahop> DO you say like this in english (this is a translation from french)
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[23:54] <Froolap> yah, I think you have created a future disaster. painted yourself into a corner
[23:55] <k_j> is there a way to install firefox on raspbian?
[23:55] <ahop> :)
[23:55] <ahop> it didn't work, as expected
[23:55] <ahop> lol
[23:55] <k_j> not iceweasel....
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[23:56] <ShorTie> apt-get update to_a_real_pc might work
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