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IRC Log for 2015-06-07

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[0:01] <fred1807> I need aplay to force audio via hdmi (even if amixer cset numid=3 1 was entered before as general setting)
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[0:08] <fred1807> or better yet, use mplay, but specify the audio to the hdmi
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[0:35] <daynaskully> {Q} how do i remote desktop onto the desktop session that's displayed via HDMI? (usin vnc creates a hidden display thats not the one on the tv)
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[0:39] <doomlord> anyone here built an rpi cluster with a single-system-image
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[0:39] <[Saint]> ...how would that even be a thing?
[0:39] <[Saint]> (that wouldn't meet the definition of cluster I hold to)
[0:40] <doomlord> ok let me rephrase, updating my definitions
[0:40] <doomlord> anyone here run a single-system-image across multiple RPIs
[0:40] <doomlord> or heard of it being done
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[0:50] <Xark> doomlord: I believe some of the cluster projects do this. Why would it be difficult?
[0:51] <doomlord> just depends if support is there
[0:51] <Xark> doomlord: What support would you need?
[0:52] <Xark> doomlord: I think most use NFS root, like -> http://hackaday.com/2013/05/21/33-node-beowulf-cluster-built-with-raspberry-pi/
[0:52] <doomlord> i'm just generally curious. process migration sounds intriguing
[0:53] <Xark> doomlord: Process migration, is a different issue...
[0:53] <[Saint]> but that's not a "single-system-image", as described.
[0:53] * Xark notes that is the wrong cluster link...
[0:53] <doomlord> what I really mean is 'a cluster with a single adress space shared across multiple machines'
[0:54] <[Saint]> Which is what I got more than slightly pedantic about.
[0:54] <Xark> [Saint]: Correct, but I am sure some I have seen use NFS root.
[0:54] <[Saint]> that's a bunch of distinct images working towards a common goal.
[0:54] <doomlord> someone told me 'single-system-image' was the keyword
[0:55] <doomlord> ok. what is the term for: a collection of machines on a network, with an OS kernel that shares a single adress space across the machines, and allows processes and data to migrate across the physical machines for loadbalancing..
[0:55] <doomlord> and has anyone done this with RPI's
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[0:55] <fred1807> Look who menaged to get music from mpd to comes out both from analog and hdmi simultaneously: Me :)
[1:01] <Berg> cluster
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[1:02] <Berg> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1R0UgIgcb5g
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[1:06] <temmi_hoo> fred1807: cool, how?
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[1:07] <fred1807> it is a dirty hack..
[1:07] <fred1807> very dirty
[1:08] <NedScott> dirty pillows
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[2:10] <mxtm> so I want to make one of these except using a Pi http://www.amazon.com/Edge-Products-83830-Insight-Monitor/dp/B003Y323NC/
[2:10] <mxtm> and hopefully doing more things
[2:16] <pksato> for a car?
[2:16] <mxtm> yeah
[2:17] <pksato> http://www.cowfishstudios.com/blog/obd-pi-raspberry-pi-displaying-car-diagnostics-obd-ii-data-on-an-aftermarket-head-unit
[2:21] <fred1807> how to make hello_video play a folder of videos?
[2:23] <pksato> carberry https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pSUUu_lPt0k
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[2:24] <mxtm> pksato: cool stuff, yeah this is going to be my summer project
[2:24] <mxtm> thing is, I also need to get a display into my car
[2:25] <mxtm> in this http://media.ed.edmunds-media.com/honda/element/2005/ei/2005_honda_element_4dr-suv_ex_fd_ei_1_500.jpg
[2:27] <mxtm> what might be cool would be replacing the stock dials with little displays like this
[2:27] <mxtm> buuuuuuuuuuuuuuuut then i might void the service agreement w the local honda dealer
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[2:37] <anarcode> Is this the right place to ask about multiplexers?
[2:38] <McBride36> wouldn't be the most off topic thing mentioned in this channel
[2:38] <McBride36> best to just go for it and ask
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[2:40] <Berg> im not off
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[2:40] <anarcode> OK. I have a 16-4 multiplexer I'm using, mapping which of 10 buttons to a 4 bit value. How do I know how the multiplexer will react if I press 2 buttons at once?
[2:41] <Berg> it will jsut add up to more then 4bits?
[2:41] <anarcode> Basically if two channels are active at one time
[2:42] <anarcode> Oh so it will add them?
[2:42] <Berg> prolly
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[2:43] <Berg> you can always do testing and see what it outputs
[2:43] <anarcode> OK. Is there an easy way to cut off the multiplexer once one value is pressed so this can't happen?
[2:43] <Berg> strange testing a script hay
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[2:43] <Berg> do a google search
[2:43] <Berg> see what you find
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[2:56] <anarcode> I didn't find jack. Is there a better channel I could ask how to protect against this on?
[2:58] <pmumble> ##electronics ?
[2:58] <pmumble> or maybe #arduino
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[3:08] <[Saint]> anarcode: #findingjack
[3:09] <mxtm> yeah, hm, what would be the best display to install into a car that doesn't look like shit into a honda element 2005 that'll take input from an rpi
[3:09] <[Saint]> _that's_ where you choose to put the commas?
[3:09] <[Saint]> ;)
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[3:17] <[Saint]> mxtm: there's lots of options, few that can compare to just cramming an off-the-shelf Android tablet into the dash, though.
[3:18] <[Saint]> doing this with a pi basically makes a more expensive and less functional off-the-shelf media solution.
[3:19] <mxtm> i can't really cram a tablet into the dash tho, lol
[3:19] <mxtm> and i mean i'd probably want to install a backup camera maybe
[3:19] <mxtm> and maybe have some sort of navigation system in it if possible
[3:19] <mxtm> no idea
[3:20] <[Saint]> if you can put a touchscreen in the dash, you can put a tablet in there.
[3:20] <mxtm> i can't put a touchscreen in my dash though, really :p
[3:20] <mxtm> i think
[3:20] <[Saint]> the touchscreen+pi profile is actually likely thicker than just a tablet alone.
[3:21] <Berg> why not put a touch screen that orders moire petrol?
[3:21] <[Saint]> ah, I guess I was misunderstanding your intention.
[3:21] <Berg> <---has all the best plans
[3:21] <mxtm> where would i put it on this, lol http://preview.netcarshow.com/Honda-Element-2005-1600-0f.jpg
[3:22] <Berg> rip the radio out
[3:22] <Berg> put a dvd drive above the touch screen fixed
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[3:22] <Berg> all the rest can be done on the pi
[3:22] <mxtm> meh, the radio is all right though
[3:22] <Berg> and why a honda?
[3:22] <mxtm> and i have free xm
[3:22] <mxtm> Berg: because it's what i have :p
[3:23] <Berg> starting life with a honda
[3:23] * Berg shakes hi9s head
[3:23] <Berg> i saw some examples on u tube
[3:23] <Berg> try looking there for ideasd
[3:23] <Berg> some nifty pi stuff
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[3:24] <Berg> one i saw they replaced the whole dash with a replacement in other words they bought a new dash from the wreckers
[3:24] <Berg> they kept the original
[3:26] <Berg> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FoWQycTXXOs
[3:26] <[Saint]> tablet gets you wifi/BT and a battery backup for essentially free, though.
[3:27] <[Saint]> whereas all those are additional considerations with a pi.
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[3:27] <[Saint]> powering it safely is really the fiddly bit with a pi in a car.
[3:27] <[Saint]> you really can't have it just cutting out with the ignition, nor constantly feeding off the battery.
[3:27] <Berg> this one is good
[3:27] <Berg> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kAjhYzEjzsg
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[3:28] <Berg> I found that out
[3:28] <Berg> power is danger part
[3:28] * [Saint] nods
[3:28] <mxtm> navdy looks cool
[3:28] <pmumble> you up and running again berg?
[3:28] <Berg> nar i have to wait for my pennies to collect again
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[3:29] <Berg> i will be a month or more
[3:29] <Berg> im crying
[3:29] <pmumble> ah damn
[3:29] <Berg> i told ya i was crying
[3:29] <Berg> hay its all learning
[3:30] <Berg> did i tell ya i tested my power supply while the wind turbine was going and the 5v out had magor spikes
[3:30] <Berg> i thinki thaqt was my issue
[3:30] <pmumble> yep i sw that
[3:30] <pmumble> blast
[3:31] <Berg> the bosss said i can get 2 next time
[3:31] <Berg> so thats a bonus
[3:32] <Berg> anyway
[3:32] <pmumble> sucks you have to wait though
[3:32] <Berg> we will research till the pi's come home
[3:32] <pmumble> lol
[3:32] <Berg> yeah well being rich is not one of my high points
[3:33] <Berg> car needs rego first then its my turn
[3:33] <Encapsulation> is there a problem with wrapping a circuit board in some electrical tape
[3:33] <Encapsulation> to prevent shorts in a project case
[3:33] <Berg> only if it needs cooling
[3:33] <Encapsulation> what about... arduino nano for example
[3:34] <Berg> no0 clue
[3:34] <Encapsulation> or a relay board opto isolated
[3:34] <Berg> no clue if they get hot you need cooling not tape
[3:34] <Berg> put them in a vented box
[3:34] <Berg> plastic box
[3:35] <Berg> you can get boxes from ear budd containers etc
[3:35] <Berg> lots places for plastic boxes
[3:35] <Encapsulation> thats a good idea
[3:35] <Encapsulation> ill see if I can do that
[3:35] <Berg> :)
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[3:37] <Berg> by the way i make holes in my plastic boxes with my solder iron
[3:38] <Berg> them light plastic tend to crack when drilled
[3:38] <pmumble> good for the lungs too
[3:38] <Berg> well
[3:38] <Encapsulation> lol
[3:38] <Berg> you into sniffing that not my fault
[3:38] <Berg> jee wizz
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[3:39] <Berg> if you worried about the fumes head i8n plastic bag fixes that
[3:39] <pmumble> lol!
[3:39] <Berg> by the way all you folks stop listening to berg he is evil
[3:40] <Berg> but to be honest lots of shopping containers are good for boxes etc
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[3:40] <Berg> i use them all the time on diff projects
[3:41] <Berg> what you using the relays for Encapsulation
[3:42] <Encapsulation> Berg, ac
[3:42] <Berg> me too
[3:42] <Berg> sept i blew mine up
[3:42] <Encapsulation> ouch
[3:42] <Berg> i have battery bank
[3:42] <Encapsulation> what happened to the relay
[3:42] <Berg> using a card usb power thingy its not stable and i blew my PI
[3:43] <Berg> the relays all worked fine
[3:43] <Encapsulation> what is your project?
[3:43] <Berg> running a battery bank and solAR POWER system with wind turbines included
[3:43] <Berg> and still be grit tied
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[3:44] <Encapsulation> nice
[3:44] <Berg> yeppers
[3:44] <Encapsulation> just need a new pi now
[3:44] <Berg> wona see?
[3:44] <Encapsulation> yeah
[3:44] <Encapsulation> did you build a charge controller
[3:44] <Berg> i stopped taking fotos but this is early days
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[3:45] <Berg> no i needed to have a voltage monitor in the system still wip
[3:45] <Berg> http://gallery.anotherpower.com/main.php/v/bergs+place/?g2_GALLERYSID=ffc6d9d551841a13af20bff3f94f1345
[3:45] <Berg> i run on a very ti\ght budget
[3:47] <Encapsulation> really cool
[3:48] <Encapsulation> what sort of power do you get from the turbine
[3:48] <Berg> i got a 8 c hannel optocoupler and a 4
[3:48] <Encapsulation> http://gallery.anotherpower.com/main.php/d/28838-2/SDC10505.JPG
[3:48] <Encapsulation> what is that
[3:48] <Berg> thats is trhe issue it was clocked at 120v dc the other day
[3:49] <Berg> that is a battery charger
[3:49] <pmumble> for your dog?
[3:49] <Encapsulation> lol
[3:49] <Encapsulation> didnt see the dog
[3:49] <Berg> it takes 12v dc and uses the fly back magnetic pulse to charge another battery
[3:49] <Berg> thats wally
[3:49] <Berg> he is a cyborg
[3:49] <Encapsulation> xD
[3:50] <Berg> anyway all work in progress
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[3:50] <Berg> how do you control your pi Encapsulation ?
[3:51] <Berg> the brick furnace is to make a impella for a hydro turbine next
[3:52] <Berg> it works by the way i made battery plates mold out of aliminium
[3:54] <Froolap> you broke your pi?
[3:54] <Berg> yep
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[3:54] <Berg> its dead
[3:54] <Berg> the invention gods intervened and stopped me from ruling the world
[3:54] <Berg> its a plot i tell ya
[3:55] <Berg> luck is on your side i expect
[3:55] <Berg> :)
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[3:56] <pmumble> lol wally
[3:56] <Berg> i looked at that banana pie and that odroid thing and the cost alone stops me
[3:56] <Froolap> I thought that I had told you. make all electrical connections and then seal them in aquarium silicon. once that cures then dip your pi into a pan of polyeurathane. let dry and redip until you have an 1/8 inch layer of polyeurathane.
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[3:56] <Berg> right
[3:56] <Berg> i forget to do that sorry
[3:56] <Froolap> Then you can take your pi and run it in a bucket of water and it won't over heat as long as you keep the water circulated.
[3:56] <Berg> heheh
[3:57] <Berg> i love dis channel
[3:57] <Berg> and its migrating flock of mag pi's
[3:57] <Berg> :)
[3:57] <Froolap> That's how they used to cool computers on boats back in the day.
[3:58] <Berg> Encapsulation: what are you using to control your relays?
[3:58] <Froolap> makes it difficult to add expansion cards. but kereps them water proof and keeps them cool at the same time.
[3:58] <Berg> back in the day they only have valves
[3:59] <Berg> my first radio used 1000gigawatts of power to start it
[3:59] <Berg> heheh
[3:59] <Berg> ok have to leave now my parrole o0fficer is at the door
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[4:08] <pmumble> o.O
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[5:35] <SirLagz> ball: lol. fitting name.
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[5:36] <ball> SirLagz: That's how I roll.
[5:36] <SirLagz> ball: hahahaha
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[7:00] <schuc> Hi guys :) I'm wanting to start a project using the raspi camera and wanted some suggestions on Pi+Camera cases... I'm not finding many that incorporate the camera
[7:00] <schuc> Any suggestions are welcome. Please state my name in your reply so I get notified. Thanks
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[7:06] <Froolap> get some tupperware.
[7:09] <schuc> I'd prefer to have a purpose-built case that looks nice. Thanks though
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[7:20] <Froolap> if you feel crafty, you could take the lid off of a few cd cases and melt them together with a soldering iron and if you are caeful you can make it look store bought.
[7:20] <Froolap> I've made project boxes that way before.
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[7:44] <BTLOTM> What perhaps might be an odd question, does anyone have any recommendations for guides or videos for a total noob trying to do RetroPi?
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[7:49] <pmumble> have you installed noobs or raspbian?
[7:52] <BTLOTM> I'm guessing just raspbian I took the image of retropie and that's all I put on the card. It's booting up into emulationstation
[7:53] <pmumble> ok cool well sounds like you got it
[7:53] <BTLOTM> The problem is, I'm running into something odd in the controller setup and I'm not quite sure what it is.
[7:53] <pmumble> im playin zelda right now lol
[7:53] <pmumble> which emu?
[7:53] <BTLOTM> And every guide I find shows something different happening.
[7:54] <pmumble> each emu has different config, emulationstation just sort of gathers a bunch of them under an umbrella
[7:55] <BTLOTM> I haven't even gotten into anything yet. I did the setup where it has you press the buttons, but the guide I was following said to go into jstest to set it up so you could leave the emulators via the controller, but my screen just keeps running
[7:55] <BTLOTM> like, I can't make it stop whatever its doing
[7:55] <pmumble> ah, i didnt do the jstest part
[7:55] <pmumble> and i dont even have a controller yet
[7:55] <pmumble> been using kb
[7:56] <BTLOTM> Ah. Yeah, it's...quite odd.
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[8:01] <Encapsulation> why was my arduino nano just ruined?
[8:01] <Encapsulation> I don';t understand
[8:01] <Encapsulation> even after ruining it
[8:02] <Encapsulation> Im checking the wiring
[8:02] <Encapsulation> i still dont know whats wrong
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[8:27] <Froolap> blink?
[8:32] <Encapsulation> =S
[8:32] <Froolap> no good frying computer stuff
[8:32] <Encapsulation> yeah
[8:32] <Encapsulation> worked 5 hours
[8:32] <Encapsulation> then fried it
[8:32] <Froolap> it makes me cry
[8:32] <Encapsulation> I still don't know why
[8:33] <Encapsulation> thats the worst part
[8:33] <Froolap> yah
[8:33] <Encapsulation> gonna have to go through with the meter tomorrow
[8:33] <Encapsulation> check everything I guess
[8:33] <Froolap> easier not to do that again when you know what.
[8:33] <Encapsulation> yeah
[8:34] <Froolap> good luck
[8:34] <Encapsulation> ty
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[8:38] <fred1807> how do I clone a sd card direct to another sd card (both mounted on mac via usb adaptors) ?
[8:39] <Froolap> on a mac, dunno
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[8:39] <pmumble> probably dd
[8:39] <fred1807> on a linux
[8:40] <pmumble> dd like you would write an image, i would think
[8:40] <pmumble> but if is a device as well?
[8:40] * pmumble hasn't tried it.
[8:41] <fred1807> I cant find it on google
[8:41] <fred1807> guess everybody on earth first clone to a image file
[8:41] <fred1807> and them to the other card
[8:42] <pmumble> i'd just try if=/dev/disk4 or whatever
[8:43] <pmumble> i don't see why that wouldnt work
[8:44] <fred1807> ok
[8:44] <fred1807> my source is disk2
[8:44] <fred1807> destination disk3
[8:44] <fred1807> what else?
[8:45] <fred1807> well, nervermind, I will generate the .img clone first :/
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[8:47] <pmumble> bs=1m
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[8:49] <fred1807> can I: sudo dd if=/dev/disk2 of=/dev/disk3
[8:49] <pmumble> i would, maybe add: bs=1m
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[8:49] <Froolap> don't list partition number, just list the device. if they are both the same size then you should be ok
[8:51] <fred1807> ?
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[8:51] <Froolap> ...../dev/sda not /dev/sda1
[8:52] <pmumble> on mac os x it's like he said
[8:52] <pmumble> parts are disk1s1
[8:52] <pmumble> etc
[8:52] <Encapsulation> lsblk
[8:52] <Encapsulation> to show disks and parts
[8:52] <pmumble> you can try pressing ctrl-t for status on the dd while it's working, fred
[8:52] <pmumble> actually it's diskutil list
[8:52] <Encapsulation> to get status of dd
[8:53] <Encapsulation> kill-USR1 pidofdd
[8:53] <Encapsulation> kill -USR1 pidofdd
[8:53] <Encapsulation> psaux|grep dd
[8:53] <Encapsulation> pgrep -l '^dd$'
[8:54] <pmumble> there's no lsblk on os x
[8:54] <Encapsulation> install linux quick
[8:54] <Encapsulation> its never too late
[8:54] <pmumble> dont listen to this guy he just fried 10 arduinos
[8:55] <fred1807> guess that copying a 32gb sd card into another will take longer than instaling raspbian, and everything I use, and copying files/media from old card
[8:55] <pmumble> ;)
[8:55] <fred1807> I have linux.... on my raspberry ;)
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[9:02] <Encapsulation> lol
[9:02] <Encapsulation> I only fried 1 arduino
[9:02] <Encapsulation> and 1 pi
[9:02] <Encapsulation> =D
[9:02] <pmumble> lol
[9:02] <skyroveRR> lol
[9:02] <pmumble> that sux :/
[9:03] <Encapsulation> yeah =S
[9:03] <Encapsulation> but I learned ffrom the pi, and I will learn from this arduino
[9:03] <Encapsulation> gotta burn some pis to make dinner
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[9:26] <phasip> I am having trouble getting reasonable fps with usb camera & python (~2 frames per second), should I get a raspberry pi version 2 or should I try to convert the camera-part of my program to C?
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[9:39] <Froolap> you should ask again when more people are awake.
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[9:46] <ShorTie> don't think C would hurt, must likely help i think
[9:48] <Froolap> but by how much?
[9:48] <ShorTie> that i have no idea of
[9:49] <Froolap> maybe a different method...... maybe test camera on a pc and see what it's "really" doing
[9:50] <Froolap> might just be a pos camera
[9:50] <ShorTie> real speed improvement would be assembly i believe
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[9:58] <MY123> how can people write on the Android subforum even after it was closed?
[9:59] <ShorTie> wasn't locked maybe
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[10:01] <phasip> I figured I could first try a simple C program that already views the webcam to compare. But I can't find one that shows the webcam in full screen without any X server
[10:01] <phasip> I guess full screen is a minor problem, couldn't find one that worked without X at all
[10:03] <ShorTie> full screen = higher resolution = slower fps
[10:05] <phasip> Ah, maybe I should simply go for a raspi2 then
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[10:07] <ShorTie> that may not help really
[10:07] <ShorTie> other then faster cpu and more ram, it still has the same usb pit falls
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[10:09] <phasip> Oh
[10:09] <phasip> I would love to use the camera module, but I would need a longer and more robust cable =/
[10:10] <temmi_hoo> usb is no good, use the ethernet for communication or add a wi-fi card or something
[10:11] <ShorTie> ethernet is still usb
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[10:14] <phasip> So, my only bet is to use the camera module
[10:15] <ShorTie> that gets it off the usb
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[10:19] <temmi_hoo> is the problem now connection bandwidth or connection distance?
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[11:03] <phasip> temmi_hoo: First bandwidth, second distance. I want to have ~1m from the pi - but currently thinking about trying to have the pi itself as the movable device
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[11:04] <phasip> Anyway, the camera module seems to be out of stock everywhere... It's kinda hard to get an idea of a reasonable price for raspberry stuff
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[11:10] <ShorTie> camera is about 25 bucks
[11:13] <jzaw> phasip, you want to view the camera full screen on a monitor connected to the pi?
[11:13] <jzaw> or full screen remotely ?
[11:13] <phasip> Monitor connected with hdmi
[11:13] * jzaw nods
[11:14] <jzaw> else i was going to say stream the image ... ffmpeg can ... as can mjpg-streamer (headlessly)
[11:14] <phasip> Oh well =)
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[11:27] <phasip> Are there any rumors/knowledge of a new raspberry pi model comming? Seems like farnell are out of pi 2, and my local seller have them on sale
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[11:28] <ShorTie> no new pi in the works
[11:29] <ShorTie> at least known at all to the public that is
[11:31] <phasip> Allright ^_^
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[12:10] <Xeon3D> raspberry pi hats and other stuff are stupidly expensive considering the computer itself is cheap as hell.
[12:11] <Xeon3D> every little thing is $15 or $25
[12:11] <temmi_hoo> Xeon3D: it's because the hats and other stuff has very small manufacturing numbers
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[12:11] <Encrypt> It depends on the hat
[12:11] <temmi_hoo> there are certain costs that don't scale at all, costs that appear on every manufacturing lot
[12:12] <temmi_hoo> so if your lot is large the per lot cost makes very small impact on unit cost
[12:12] <Encrypt> The same could be said from computers
[12:12] <temmi_hoo> now for a run of 100 boards the per lot cost dominates unit cost
[12:12] <Encrypt> For a gamer comp, "the graphic card are out of price when you consider the CPU and motherboard"
[12:12] <Encrypt> cards*
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[12:13] <temmi_hoo> for getting any reasonable cost structure you need to manufacture at least thousands of things per lot
[12:14] <temmi_hoo> that doesn't suit ramping up from a serious hobby project to a niche product to a mass manufactured product
[12:15] <temmi_hoo> this is why kickstarter exists and usually it just barely allows for ramping up from hobby project to an expensive niche product
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[12:24] <Xeon3D> to be honest, they're not easy to find as well
[12:25] <temmi_hoo> yes
[12:25] <Xeon3D> so if they're not easy to find, people won't buy 'em, and they won't get made in suff. quantity so price will never go down
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[12:32] <temmi_hoo> https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/raspoe-raspberry-pi-poe-shield <-- here is one
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[12:56] <atmosx> hello
[12:56] <atmosx> just booted a RPi 2, doesn't start though. I see only the red light... does this thing have a power button?
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[12:56] <atmosx> or maybe the power supply is not enough?
[12:57] <atmosx> I used power cable I was using with RPi model me (revision 'e')
[12:57] <atmosx> model B
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[14:57] <mxtm> hm I'm kinda considering an Atrix lapdock
[14:57] <mxtm> for a pi-top
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[15:06] <Ryccardo> there's still a decent stock of them??
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[16:09] <H__> I just posted https://github.com/WiringPi/WiringPi2-Python/issues/18 "wiringPiISR throws TypeError on argument 3"
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[16:25] <Encapsulation> `damn im burning up everything
[16:25] <Encapsulation> I've probably ruined 4 circuit boards in as many hours
[16:25] <Encapsulation> might be time to just give up
[16:26] <Ryccardo> heh, it took me 2 hours and half to solder 2 wires to smd points
[16:27] <Encapsulation> I dont have that kind of patience
[16:27] <Encapsulation> I'll destroy it long before that
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[16:32] <Encapsulation> arduino really stinks when it burns up
[16:32] <Encapsulation> pi was better
[16:36] <temmi_hoo> just you wait until you get hooked by some vintage worm and start burning selenium rectifiers
[16:37] <mxtm> Ryccardo: yeah, looks like there are still a bunch on ebay and places
[16:37] <mxtm> for < $70 usd
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[16:39] <H__> LOL this is epic -> [16:32:28] <Encapsulation> arduino really stinks when it burns up
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[16:44] <seamusallen0905> Hi, can anyone here tell me what board I should use to run a bipolar stepper motor with a Pi 2 ?
[16:45] <temmi_hoo> adafruit stepper board looks promising
[16:45] <temmi_hoo> i'm getting me one rsn
[16:45] <temmi_hoo> it's in the mail service waiting for me to pick it up on monday
[16:45] <seamusallen0905> nice, thanks temmi_hoo
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[16:50] <seamusallen0905> Have you got a product code or name for me please temmi_hoo
[16:51] <temmi_hoo> no, not really but it is on the adafruit webstore
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[16:53] <seamusallen0905> yeah I was there, not sure which one though, I can find a few for then first PI, but not the pi 2. Different size io connections to the board
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[17:24] <fred1807> EMLI5: Why a raspberry image compiled with hard floating is better? Should I care? (use raspberry as media center)
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[17:24] <m3chanical> I'm getting this weird series of errors when I try to use "npm install -g mongodb" on my raspberry pi. Googling has been little help and I have no idea what's going on ... Can anyone point me in the proper direction to figure this out? Here is a link to the error: http://imgur.com/pYfwPZc
[17:25] <m3chanical> From what I gather I think the build process runs out of memory and crashes, but I'm not certain. I'm thinking of just using sqlite3 for my Pi's node stack
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[17:26] <Ryccardo> fred1807: it means it can use hardware accelerated floating point operations, instead of having to wrap them in other instructions to process them without using the cpu's floating instructions
[17:26] <fred1807> Should I care if my use os raspberry is as a media center (music/videos) ?
[17:27] <fred1807> http://www.linuxsystems.it/raspbian-wheezy-armhf-raspberry-pi-minimal-image/
[17:27] <Ryccardo> depends on whether the softwaye you'll use uses floating point instructions...
[17:27] <Ryccardo> raspbian has been hard float for years anyway
[17:29] <fred1807> so why this guy here is telling us that his image has hard floating operations? The way he talks seems like a standard raspbian wont have it http://www.linuxsystems.it/raspbian-wheezy-armhf-raspberry-pi-minimal-image/
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[17:32] <pksato> fred1807: 2012 post?
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[17:33] <fred1807> yeah
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[17:33] <fred1807> raspberry fundation keeps that link on theier alternate images sources :/
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[17:35] <fred1807> if my source for videos is just omxplayer (from cmd line) can I remove a bunch of x server/gui stuff from my image?
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[17:45] <Ryccardo> yep, it doesn't use X
[17:46] <Ryccardo> well, most versions don't, a few were bugged
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[18:08] <ShorTie> or build up from from a minimal image
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[18:16] <dD_> Hi, I'm trying to set up a 2.8" tft capacitive touchscreen. I've followed this adafruit tutorial (https://learn.adafruit.com/adafruit-2-8-pitft-capacitive-touch/capacitive-touchscreen), however the touchscreen isn't responding to touch. I'm also not able to get it to appear under /dev/input/touchscreen with a udev rule, and suspect that may be the reason why it's not working. Anyone have any experience with this?
[18:17] <m3chanical> Hm. For some reason that error I was seeing was completely irrelevant. i executed the same command on my mbp (sudo npm install -g mongodb) and it worked, but had the same node-gyp errors. however, when I did the same command with simply "npm install mongodb" it worked without issue. I have no idea why, but whatever.
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[18:18] <gfsh> hi, can I use a r-pi to upload a sketch to a bunch of arduinos?
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[18:20] <m3chanical> like all at once or just one at a time? if just one: http://razzpisampler.oreilly.com/ch10.html
[18:23] <ShorTie> Arduino-IDE.1.6.4 is in the forums
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[19:27] <atmosx> Anyone knows how to connect to an open wifi?
[19:28] <atmosx> without wep/wpa pass?
[19:30] <Great-Geek> atmosx, How are you trying to do that ?
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[19:33] <phasip> So, I got myself a Rpi2 - but my python script that used GPIO.add_event_detect now only results in GPIO.input(ch) == True, while on my original B, it could both be True or False
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[19:35] <heller\> different python version?
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[19:35] <phasip> Maybe =/
[19:35] <phasip> Both from raspbian repo
[19:36] <heller\> using python or python3?
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[19:39] <phasip> python
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[19:43] <abnormal> phasip: did you do the update and upgrade after starting up the new pi B-2?
[19:44] <phasip> Yep, and dist-upgrade
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[19:44] <phasip> I have a feeling it is because I use GPIO.BOTH and have to detect which edge it was using GPIO.input() - maybe the faster rpi2 simply is unlucky when checking the edge
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[19:48] <abnormal> well better way to do it is sudo apt-get update, sudo apt-get upgrade, then sudo apt-get update again... very foolproof process.
[19:48] <abnormal> just a suggestion...
[19:49] <phasip> I'll try =)
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[19:51] <phasip> Yep, no packages left =/
[19:51] <abnormal> cool
[19:52] <abnormal> I use that process in all linux distros
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[20:09] <schuc> Hi guys :) I'm wanting to start a project using the raspi camera and wanted some suggestions on Pi+Camera cases... I'm not finding many that incorporate the camera
[20:10] <schuc> Any suggestions are welcome. Please state my name in your reply so I get notified. Thanks
[20:10] <awoserra> yah there is no repo's for freebsd pi
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[20:11] <awoserra> have to compile everything from ports snapshot or go with a third party pkg provider
[20:11] <Ryccardo> might have went for Gentoo :P
[20:11] <awoserra> nah, i don't mind compiling from ports ;)
[20:12] <awoserra> there isn't much after perl and python anyway
[20:12] <awoserra> but yeah, i thought it might be a simple matter of configuring ports, turns out it's not
[20:12] <awoserra> er configuring repos*
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[20:12] <awoserra> from https://www.freebsd.org/platforms/arm.html
[20:13] <awoserra> ARM is officially a Tier 2 architecture, as the FreeBSD project does not provide official releases or pre-built packages for this platform due to it primarily targeting the embedded arena.
[20:13] <Ryccardo> and they say BSD is popular on routers? heh
[20:13] <awoserra> 32 bit armv6
[20:14] <awoserra> FreeBSD karnak 11.0-CURRENT FreeBSD 11.0-CURRENT #0 r284050: Fri Jun 5 23:43:04 MDT 2015
[20:14] <awoserra> i like it :)
[20:14] <Ryccardo> coincidence? went back to openbsd on my desktop
[20:14] <awoserra> i love openbsd :)
[20:16] <awoserra> i wonder if there are any laptops available with gpio pins...
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[20:17] <Ryccardo> I know many Intel chipsets have GPIOs, but they're not wired anywhere on anything I've heard of
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[20:29] <awoserra> heh
[20:29] <awoserra> i just whitelisted all udp traffic
[20:29] <awoserra> for domain name resolution
[20:29] <awoserra> using public DNSsec
[20:29] <awoserra> \o/
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[20:58] <phasip> Could somebody test this python script on their rpi2 and see if they can get an output of 0 by connecting pin 11 to GND or 3.3V? Script: https://gist.github.com/Phasip/3814635ba16c19c5f2af
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[21:11] <linuxthefish> my poor pi has been short circuiting 3.3v to ground for the past few days and rebooting every few mins :p
[21:11] <linuxthefish> he's still alive!
[21:12] <phasip> =)
[21:13] <phasip> Hey, trying stuff and I realized that if I use pull_up_down=GPIO.PUD_UP, then whenever I don't have the pin connected wait_for_edge returns quite often even though GPIO.input() is always 1
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[21:14] <linuxthefish> o
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[21:43] <Captain_Crow> what type of screws are used with raspberry pi? i tried computer screws, but they weren't small enough
[21:43] <atmosx> Great-Geek: I did it.
[21:44] <Tachyon`> screws?
[21:44] <Tachyon`> we don't need no stinkin screws
[21:45] <mimer> 2.8mm holes
[21:45] <shauno> Captain_Crow: M2.5
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[21:46] <shauno> which seems to be available approximately nowhere, even where metric sizes are standard
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[21:57] <Captain_Crow> are there any pi cases that'll fit a 7" adafruit screen?
[21:57] <linuxthefish> Captain_Crow hard drive screws fit
[21:58] <linuxthefish> i have a box full of ranom screws, i normally use some of those lol
[21:59] <Captain_Crow> aight thanks
[22:00] <Captain_Crow> are there pi cases for a 7" adafruit lcd or would i have to make a case?
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[22:03] <pmumble> i've only seen one lcd case, the one from pimoroni
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[22:55] <boxmein> if I might bother y'all again
[22:56] <boxmein> so I got a pi 2b at $contest, but my current setup features a laptop and a huawei-y 4G dongle
[22:56] <boxmein> I have a router to connect both $laptop and pi to, but it can't connect to the internet
[22:56] <boxmein> how make pi have internet
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[23:09] <[Saint]> That was deliciously vague.
[23:09] <[Saint]> Its like if they made a Mac Guyver revamp, MacGuyver: Cyber.
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[23:10] <boxmein> lol, it's the most terrible setup one can imagine
[23:10] <[Saint]> "Ok Mac, you've got a laptop, a pi, a 4G dongle, a router, 2 paperclips, a rubber band, and some high explosive..."
[23:11] <Ryccardo> I went for M3, 21mm long screws after some drilling
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[23:15] <tawr> hi [Saint]
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[23:31] <fred1807> Need some light here to understand some basics about partitions.... So I installed a fresh install of raspbian. Now I need to use raspi-config to expand the partition to use my 32gb sd card. Right? What if I dont do it? Will it expand naturali?
[23:32] <[Saint]> No.
[23:32] <[Saint]> It will not.
[23:33] <fred1807> ok, but I will want to clone this sd card soon
[23:33] <fred1807> after I configure exerything
[23:33] <ShorTie> so use rpi-clone
[23:33] <[Saint]> It would be wise to do so prior to expanding the filesystem.
[23:33] <fred1807> So... Can I do something about the unused +- 28gb there will be on the card?
[23:33] <[Saint]> see above
[23:34] <fred1807> ok.. So right now how much space doI have?
[23:34] <[Saint]> 'df -h'
[23:34] <[Saint]> (will tell you)
[23:35] <fred1807> hmm.. If if expand it now.. Can I generate a .img from it that shrinks? because the 32 gb will be all bloat, I will be using 1gb..
[23:35] <ShorTie> doesn't matter what you do, if you make an image of it the normal way it will 32g
[23:35] <[Saint]> ^ that
[23:35] <[Saint]> so its best to set up your base packages and configs prior to expanding the filesystem.
[23:35] <fred1807> yes.. but 1 gb of real data, and 32gb of bloat... Is there any compression tool that can understand that?
[23:36] <[Saint]> You can always just dd the first N GB of the partition.
[23:36] <ShorTie> you can use mini_image to make a image of just what is used
[23:36] <[Saint]> but then you'd have to expand the image again after the fact.
[23:36] <fred1807> I ask this, because I will want to clone dozens of this sd card, and they gotta be plug&play (not further action, like raspi-config...)
[23:37] <fred1807> problem is 32gb clone time is forever long
[23:37] <fred1807> mini_image seems promissing, I will look into that
[23:37] <Captain_Crow> is polycarbonate stronger than acrylic?
[23:37] <[Saint]> so...as said above, just dd the first N GB.
[23:38] <fred1807> I will search more info on this too
[23:38] <[Saint]> then you can dd that back to another sdcard and expand it.
[23:38] <fred1807> At first it seems that it will broken the ssystem, files will be missing : D
[23:38] <[Saint]> "dd --help" is all you need.
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[23:38] <ShorTie> but it sounds like you want rpi-clone really
[23:38] <fred1807> Captain_Crow: Stronger as it brute force, or against solvents?
[23:39] <fred1807> ok
[23:39] <ShorTie> unless you do want a image
[23:39] <[Saint]> Captain_Crow: stronger in what way?
[23:39] <[Saint]> There's many measures of strength.
[23:39] <ShorTie> they both smell the same to me
[23:41] <[Saint]> hardness, tensile strength, compressive strength, shear stress...
[23:41] <Berg> metior deflection ability
[23:41] <[Saint]> fatigue strength, yield strength, deformation resistance, ...
[23:42] <Berg> I think he wants to know whats more gooder
[23:42] <[Saint]> that doesn't even get into covering the wide and varied forms that both acrylic and polycarbonate can take.
[23:42] <Captain_Crow> im trying to figure out a good material to make a case with, i need to be able to make a clean cut or break with it and drill holes
[23:43] <Berg> use lead
[23:43] <ShorTie> but lexan is 1 of the strongest
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[23:43] <[Saint]> ~
[23:43] <ShorTie> you ain't gonna break lexan
[23:43] <[Saint]> that really depends on what metric of strength you're measuring.
[23:44] <[Saint]> at the end of the day they're all thermoplasts.
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[23:44] <Berg> i was looking on the net there is pre made cases
[23:44] <[Saint]> sit 'em out in the sun for a bit and they lose all their interesting properties.
[23:45] <[Saint]> thermoformability isn't a desirable property in a rigid structure designed for protection.
[23:46] <[Saint]> (there's an awesome word...thermoformability...)
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[23:54] <fred1807> I performed a firmware update... And now my raspberry wont start the eth0 at boot (I see a not find alert).. Problem is I am headless (i have a monitor, but I dont even have a usb keyboard at home :/ I conect from my laptop) :/
[23:56] <Berg> case made from wood?
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[23:56] <fred1807> I love wood cases
[23:56] <fred1807> I went all the way to talk with manufacutres in my area, to make them from high grade wood
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[23:56] <Berg> isd it sustainable wood
[23:56] <fred1807> but I coudlnt find someone that would automate all the way
[23:57] <Berg> make a 3d router
[23:57] <Berg> or a 2 d
[23:57] <Berg> spose its flat
[23:57] <Berg> find marine ply
[23:57] <Berg> nice polish it
[23:57] <fred1807> yeah, but it seems nobody got a real good 3d machine for wood... every machine needed a lot of manual attendance
[23:58] <fred1807> at least here
[23:58] <Berg> hmm
[23:58] <Berg> lazy is as lazy does
[23:58] <Berg> ?)
[23:59] <fred1807> in the end, a wood case here would cost me 30 usd.. We are talking about a very nice looking wood case, made from top quality wood (not compensate)... But a plastic thermoformal case lol, is 2 usd from china

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