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IRC Log for 2015-07-09

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[0:25] <justinmrkva> So I need some help. I flashed Raspibian on my RP2 and used it once, added a new user account and tried to log in, but the login prompt hung after the no warranty line. Couldn't enter commands, Control-C, etc. Just nothing. For an hour. I pulled the power and restarted. There were some file system error messages (mmcblk0 error -110) but it seemed to fix itself. Then I shut it down properly. Today, I plugged it in again and edited
[0:25] <justinmrkva> /boot/config.txt to use the right HDMI mode, used shutdown -r now. It rebooted, I logged in... and again the login hung at the same point. After an hour I pulled power again, and then started to get the same mmcblk0 errors. This time instead of taking a couple minutes to correct, it took about 45 minutes and finally booted. Hoping my problems were over, I logged in again... and once again, the prompt is stuck.
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[0:29] <justinmrkva> Okay, after waiting for a while (not sure exactly how long) with no prompt, I just got some output: "Unable to handle kernel NULL pointer dereference at virtual address 00000028". Also: "Internal error: Oops: 17 [#1] PREEMPT SMP ARM" and quite a few memory addresses. I presume this is the equivalent of a kernel panic.
[0:30] <justinmrkva> So, any advice?
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[0:35] <porglezomp> It sounds like you'll probably want to reflash at this point.
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[0:36] <justinmrkva> porglezomp Reflash after booting less than 5 times?
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[0:38] <porglezomp> If it was damaged any of those times you pulled the power, yeah
[0:39] <porglezomp> And if you haven't done much with it, you presumably don't have that much to lose?
[0:39] <porglezomp> If you have something you want to save, look for a better solution
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[0:40] <porglezomp> But reflashing will probably be faster than a "proper" solution, and seems like it's a good thing to try if there's nothing to lose.
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[1:01] <fred1807> I Need a script that makes a partition uses the whole space left on SD card. Raspi-config has it for the root partition, I need it for another partition (storage) I keep the root partition read only. Something like this openelec does: https://github.com/OpenELEC/OpenELEC.tv/blob/master/packages/sysutils/busybox/scripts/fs-resize?source=c But I dont know how to adapt this to my install of raspbian (I am not using openelec).
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[1:33] <justinmrkva> porglezomp I guess I'll probably flash it then. Kind of frustrating to have to do it that soon though, especially when the first force shutdown was caused by the same issue that I'm having right now...
[1:34] <[Saint]> filesystems can't really be expected to remain contiguous if one abruptly yanks power from them.
[1:35] <[Saint]> (pet peeve: when did this become "flashing" - another mobile-phone-ecosystem wrong-ism bleeding over I guess)
[1:35] <justinmrkva> But when the first time you boot the device you log in, log out, log in again, and it hangs for an hour, then you kind of have to yank the cord.
[1:35] <[Saint]> ~
[1:36] <[Saint]> possibly.
[1:36] <[Saint]> without being able to eximine the situation now I can't really say.
[1:36] <[Saint]> *examine
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[1:37] <[Saint]> Anyway - yeah, is it annoying? Yes. Is it expected? Almost certainly yes.
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[1:38] <[Saint]> Reading back it sounds as though you didn't actually do any real or extensive configuration, so it's not a total loss.
[1:38] <[Saint]> Just remember for next time to make a backup of your sdcard image when you have it configured to your liking.
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[1:39] <plugwash> I'm pretty sure the term "flashing" has been fairly commonly used in the embeeded community in general, not just phones
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[1:40] <[Saint]> it is usually correct in that community.
[1:40] <[Saint]> s/usually/often/
[1:40] <plugwash> is it so incorrect in the Pi community? SD cards are flash memory after all...
[1:41] <[Saint]> "flashing" now seems to mean "using any form of software to write any form of information to any form of disk"
[1:41] <[Saint]> plugwash: yes, yes it is.
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[1:42] <[Saint]> It used to refer exclusively to writing EEPROM...but maybe I'm just an old man.
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[1:43] <justinmrkva> [Saint] It's not that I need a backup, my profiles are synced via SVN and it's mainly about reinstalling software, but I really hope it's not that fragile. Having to go back to another computer to reflash every week isn't a good prospect.
[1:44] <[Saint]> ...its a $30 educational board.
[1:44] <justinmrkva> And if it happens like this, reflashing every _day_ is looking to be a more accurate description.
[1:44] <[Saint]> Not a super-stable-do-anything-you-want-PC-replacemnt
[1:45] <[Saint]> If I were you, I'd be looking at my power supply.
[1:45] <[Saint]> That's a high point of failuer for these devices.
[1:45] <[Saint]> gah - spelling
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[1:46] <[Saint]> I have a pi that's been running for the better part of 4 months now, and well over a year before that.
[1:46] <[Saint]> It only does so because it is almost exclusively RO.
[1:47] <[Saint]> Somewhere along the course of something people seemed to get the idea that these were inherently stable. I have no idea how. But...yeah.
[1:47] <The_Borg> its fun for learning thats all i know
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[1:47] <The_Borg> stable nar
[1:47] <[Saint]> Brownout or abrupt power failure is not a friend to our dear Pi.
[1:48] <[Saint]> Not a friend indeed.
[1:48] <The_Borg> or power spikes
[1:48] <[Saint]> it should cope with spikes unless you're deliberately avoiding the regulator.
[1:48] <[Saint]> (ie. powering over GPIO)
[1:48] <The_Borg> I have one pi running my battery solar set up this one is my toy
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[1:49] <The_Borg> nope spike of 100volt
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[1:49] <The_Borg> from my generator bad idea
[1:49] <[Saint]> ah....well, yeah.
[1:49] <The_Borg> :)
[1:49] <The_Borg> thats learning too
[1:50] <The_Borg> i actualy have my pi on its own islated power and the relay on a seperate power supply now should be fine
[1:50] <at0m|c> on wifi, not lan i presume
[1:50] <The_Borg> anyway happy PI day to all
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[1:50] <The_Borg> wifi yes
[1:51] <at0m|c> every day is Pi day
[1:51] <The_Borg> it dont need monitoring its running a python script with timers
[1:51] <The_Borg> i have remote desktop to it
[1:52] <at0m|c> try ssh then screen.
[1:52] <The_Borg> ssh then screen?
[1:52] <The_Borg> will thats show me desktop?
[1:52] <[Saint]> No.
[1:52] <The_Borg> ill try this
[1:52] <at0m|c> run in console: apt show screen
[1:53] <[Saint]> screen is nothing more than a terminal multiplexer.
[1:53] <[Saint]> I suspect you have no use for this.
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[1:53] <Berg> lets test that
[1:53] <Berg> <---the berg
[1:53] <Berg> borg
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[1:54] <Berg> hmm
[1:55] <Berg> dont work im not running raspbian its minibian
[1:55] <Berg> nothing in it
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[1:55] <[Saint]> jeebus - they even removed default tools, and didn't even replace it with busybox?
[1:55] <[Saint]> sounds like a fun OS.
[1:56] <Berg> its not fun
[1:56] <[Saint]> (sarcasm implied)
[1:56] <Berg> its learning
[1:56] <at0m|c> it's about the challenge
[1:56] <Berg> im happy to learn
[1:56] <ozzzy> fun == stick the card in and booty
[1:56] <ozzzy> er... boot
[1:56] <ozzzy> LOL
[1:56] <Berg> i installed the desktop etc
[1:56] <[Saint]> dat booty
[1:56] <ozzzy> She's all about dat bass
[1:56] <at0m|c> to booty or not to booty
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[1:57] <Berg> its all well and good to sit there and laugh without a booty a kid would starve
[1:59] <Berg> what is the lastest version of raspobian?
[1:59] <Berg> 7?
[1:59] <Berg> Linux raspberrypi 3.18.11-v7+ #781 SMP PREEMPT Tue Apr 21 18:07:59 BST 2015 armv7l
[2:00] <ali1234> that is the kernel version
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[2:02] <Berg> i might go back to raspbian this minibian is lot work
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[2:04] <ali1234> i have to agree with [Saint], flashing is used incorrectly in this context - it implies writing firmware to a fixed memory device which is read-only in normal use
[2:04] <[Saint]> Holllllaaaaahhhhh!
[2:04] <ali1234> the raspberry pi sd card is neither of these things
[2:04] <[Saint]> preach it!
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[2:05] <NedScott> so I got one of these "mcufriend" TFT screens for the Pi
[2:05] <NedScott> the dirt cheap ones that are about $9 USD on ebay
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[2:06] <NedScott> I can't seem to identify wtf it is
[2:06] <NedScott> the controller
[2:06] <NedScott> haha
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[2:07] <at0m|c> i was hoping you'd go "they work flawless ootb"
[2:07] <ali1234> for $9 it's not going to be comlicated to reverse engineer
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[2:07] <NedScott> I just mean for the fbtft config files
[2:07] <NedScott> the image they provide doesn't seem to use fbtft, but I doubt they actually made their own driver
[2:08] <NedScott> they must have just modified it
[2:08] <NedScott> I can't find the normal config file
[2:08] <NedScott> https://github.com/notro/fbtft/issues/254
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[2:08] <NedScott> that
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[2:09] <NedScott> oh wow, it's not using the fbtft driver after all
[2:10] <ali1234> it has a 8 bit interface, it says here
[2:10] <ali1234> most of the pi ones are spi
[2:10] <at0m|c> NedScott: lsusb, then identify the device by the "ID" part, 0123:abcd. websearch that 0123:abcd
[2:10] <ali1234> ...it's not usb
[2:11] <ali1234> is it this one? http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2-4-Full-Colour-TFT-LCD-Shield-SD-Socket-Touch-Screen-Panel-Module-for-UNO-R3-/221817106325?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item33a5546f95
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[2:12] <NedScott> http://www.ebay.com/itm/121649398947
[2:12] <ali1234> oh wait that's for arduino
[2:12] <NedScott> what's funny about that product picture is that it actually comes crooked
[2:12] <NedScott> I had to carefully pull the screen back with a gift card, between the TFT screen and the PCB, because it was glued on
[2:12] <NedScott> and then reseat it
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[2:13] <NedScott> it used to be listed for about $9 when you added shipping
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[2:13] <NedScott> it was listed by a few sellers for about $6 and then $3 shipping (USD)
[2:13] <NedScott> not actually a touch screen
[2:13] <NedScott> you can tell it has no digitizer
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[2:13] <ali1234> resistive touch screens suck anyway
[2:13] <NedScott> aye
[2:14] <NedScott> seems these guys really did fall off the planet
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[2:14] <NedScott> too bad, because I would have bought more if it could be used for anything other than their image
[2:14] <NedScott> and was still sold for cheap
[2:14] <ali1234> someone will bring out a new one, i'm sure
[2:14] <ali1234> and probably better
[2:15] <ali1234> i bet there's nothing on the board right? just an adapter for the display connector
[2:15] <NedScott> we also have $40 USD 7 inch HDMI screens floating out there, too
[2:15] <NedScott> it looks that way
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[2:15] <NedScott> when I pulled back the screen to reseat it, it looks like the PCB is nothing but connecting the ribbon to the GPIO header
[2:16] <ali1234> it doesn't have enough pins for it to be a parallel on, so it's either i2c or spi
[2:16] <NedScott> some resisters embedded into the ribbon cable
[2:16] <ali1234> almost certainly spi
[2:16] <NedScott> ah, it's tape rather than glue, now that I look at it again
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[2:21] <ali1234> they've probably built all the drivers directly in to the kernel so check dmesg and /sys to try to determine what's going on
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[2:34] <NedScott> ali1234: took this picture just now: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2340692/Raspberry_Pi/mcufriend_TFT_Raspberry_Pi.jpg
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[2:39] <AcE-beta> hola
[2:40] <Phosie> Bonjour
[2:43] <ali1234> NedScott: any idea what resolution it is?
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[2:44] <NedScott> no idea
[2:44] <NedScott> "low", haha
[2:45] <NedScott> probably similar to others of the same size, so around 400x240
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[2:45] <NedScott> maybe more?
[2:45] <NedScott> I actually have some test patterns that would give me a better idea, but I'm lazy :D
[2:45] <AcE-beta> are all driver of rpi open source? I know that broadcom published it but the other I don't know
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[2:47] <ali1234> it's definitely not i2c or uart, the pins are not connected
[2:47] <ali1234> so it is spi
[2:49] <NedScott> AcE-beta: not 100% yet
[2:49] <NedScott> but it has the potential to get there, IIRC
[2:49] <NedScott> they have a goal of being 100% open source eventually
[2:50] <NedScott> they being the Pi Foundation
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[2:50] <plugwash> AcE-beta, it depends on your definition of "driver"
[2:50] <NedScott> I really hope someone makes a tiny screen using the DSI port
[2:50] <NedScott> I know the chip is already available to license and make screens, even before the official LCD screens are released, but no one has done so yet
[2:51] <NedScott> and I think the R-Pi Foundation is only planning on one or two screen sizes
[2:51] <plugwash> All the kernel stuff is opensource, so are the arm side libraries and most (possiblly all now) of the utilities
[2:51] <plugwash> but the stuff that runs on the VPU is still closed.
[2:51] <NedScott> I'm going with an analog composite LCD screen for another project of mine because I want the CPU to be free for emulators
[2:53] <AcE-beta> plugwash, ok thanks :)
[2:54] <NedScott> http://www.ebay.com/itm/381299675603
[2:54] <ali1234> NedScott: ew composite...
[2:54] <NedScott> seems too good to be true?
[2:54] <NedScott> aye, but they're emulators, so they're used to it
[2:54] <NedScott> :)
[2:55] <niston> waaaahhhhrggllllll @#!
[2:55] <ali1234> composite + LCD = horrible dot crawl
[2:55] <niston> fortinet trash -.-
[2:56] <ali1234> hdmi is a much better bet
[2:56] <ali1234> however, it will need an extra cable
[2:57] <ali1234> it should be possible to make the compositor drive SPI directly
[2:57] <ali1234> or just wait for the DSI screen
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[3:04] <fred1807> anyone using omxplayer?
[3:05] <ali1234> NedScott: best i can say about that screen... it's probably a cheap clone of something else
[3:05] <NedScott> aye
[3:05] <ali1234> so just start looking at datasheet until you find one that works
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[3:10] <NedScott> the other day I found a VGA LCD screen that was about the size I need, 3 inches
[3:10] <NedScott> but it was over $100 USD
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[3:11] <Tenkawa> hi all
[3:13] <xmanmonk> Tenkawa: Howdy.
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[3:18] <ali1234> NedScott: raspberry pi can't do VGA though...
[3:18] <NedScott> yes it can :)
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[3:19] <ali1234> with an add on board it can... and it uses all the gpio
[3:19] <NedScott> yeah, but at least it doesn't use up CPU
[3:19] <ali1234> true
[3:19] <ali1234> but HDMI to VGA would be much easier and cheaper
[3:19] <NedScott> also, I'd take HDMI + VGA adapter over composite
[3:20] <NedScott> I just needed a small screen for a portable emulator machine
[3:20] <ali1234> as you should cos composite is horrible
[3:20] <NedScott> it wasn't worth $100 :)
[3:20] <ali1234> for $100 just buy a HDMI screen
[3:20] <NedScott> they don't make HDMI screens for $100 that are 3 inches
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[3:22] <ali1234> well for a 3" screen you're looking at 320x240 resolution anyway
[3:22] <ali1234> probably 16 bit too
[3:23] <ali1234> that's not going to have much impact on the CPU when run on SPI
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[3:49] <[Saint]> Gotta love snow days.
[3:50] <[Saint]> I could barely get out of the door this morning.
[3:50] <[Saint]> http://i.imgur.com/p7zDcbW.jpg
[3:50] <[Saint]> Jack Frost hath blighted me.
[3:50] <plugwash> lol
[3:51] <plugwash> not real snow util everything is white
[3:53] <[Saint]> http://i.imgur.com/azPQr27.jpg?1
[3:53] <[Saint]> some cropping, and imagination...
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[9:15] <midgetpower> Hmm.
[9:15] <midgetpower> Wait... Windows 10 is actually gonna run on Raspberry Pis?
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[9:15] <midgetpower> In "full" mode? Or some sort of crippled mode?
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[9:26] <nid0> itll be crippled in the sense that its running ARM so is basically win10's answer to wince/winrt
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[9:48] <Stanto> midgetpower: why don't you download it and try it :p
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[10:25] <midgetpower> Because it's not out? Because it's a lot of work? Etc.
[10:25] <ShorTie> it's been out
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[10:32] <NedScott> anyone using Recalbox on a Pi 1?
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[10:54] <Stanto> midgetpower: more likely you consider it a lot of work :P but it is out.
[10:56] <ShorTie> tis a pain, if you don't have win10 already though
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[11:58] <midgetpower> Stanto: Some sort of beta doesn't count.
[11:58] <midgetpower> 20+ more days until Windows 10 release.
[11:58] <Stanto> midgetpower: It doesn't say beta. It also does count.
[11:58] <midgetpower> And that's just for the "upgrade" AFAIK.
[11:59] * ShorTie thinkz, is that not what Windows always is .. :/~
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[12:13] <Stanto> ShorTie: no, it's what linux always is ;)
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[12:15] <teclo-> midgetpower: well M*crosoft *said* that W*ndows 10 would run on the Raspberry Pi, yes. But M*crosoft said many things since they started. And they told many lies.
[12:15] <Draylor> heh
[12:15] <Draylor> the win10/pi build has been available for a while already and does what they said it would
[12:16] <Draylor> it'll disappoint the braindead kids that expected a full GUI, but for the 2 guys in teh world that love powershell it'll be awesome
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[12:19] <teclo-> yeah
[12:20] <teclo-> well looks like selling W*ndows to their hostages, sorry, users, isn't gonna work for W*ndows 10
[12:20] <teclo-> so they're gonna give it away heh
[12:20] <ShorTie> what, i'm not gonna be able to play Age of the Empires in full 3d @ 120 frames/second ??
[12:20] <teclo-> I bet Steve Ballmer is angry about that
[12:21] <teclo-> ah well, Ballmer broke a chair in his office when Lucovsky resign to go work for Google
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[12:52] <midgetpower> Nothing is worse than tards who are anti-MS but pro-Google.
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[13:01] <ShorTie> you calling me a tard ??
[13:01] <ShorTie> oops, he's gone, lol.
[13:02] <Armand> ShorTie: Obvious troll is obvious.
[13:03] <ShorTie> but he spoiled my fun of kicking him .. :/~
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[13:10] <sbrg> Greetings. I am running a raspberry pi as a seedbox using archlinux arm. It is sitting right next to my router using a 1m ethernet cable and I have a 100mb internet connection, and can consistently pull even over 12.5 megabytes/sec on my desktop which is connected with a 15m ethernet cable. On my raspberry, I'm pretty sure that the download speed is consistently hitting 2.5-3.0 megabytes/sec, at which
[13:10] <sbrg> point something seems to happen and the speed drops a whole lot(sometimes close to zero) and then goes up to ~3.0 again. I can watch this happen and it happens again and again and again. Does anyone know what's going on? Is this due to hardware limitations? Kernel parameters that need tuning?
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[13:11] <sbrg> This also happens regardless of torrent clients.
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[13:12] <ShorTie> length of cable is totally erelivant
[13:12] <ShorTie> most likely usb swamping
[13:13] <Armand> ShorTie: Retroactive banhammer!
[13:13] <sbrg> ShorTie: yes, I know, I was just trying to be detailed. USB swamping? what is that exactly?
[13:14] <ShorTie> like everything goes thru the usb bus
[13:15] <ShorTie> si if your using the net and writing to the sdcard at the same time, the usb bus gets overloaded
[13:15] <at0m|c> sbrg: lsusb. your NIC is right there.
[13:15] <sbrg> Aah, I see.
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[13:15] <ShorTie> 1 of the down falls of the pi's
[13:16] <sbrg> Is there something I can do to remedy this, even if it's just partially? I guess I can enlarge the torrent client's buffer, perhaps
[13:17] <ShorTie> get a different boards is about it i'm guessing
[13:17] <sbrg> eh
[13:19] <nid0> just to be clear, is your content being stored on the pi's sd card or a usb drive?
[13:20] <sbrg> nid0: sd card
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[13:21] <at0m|c> nid0: usb bus either way, isn't it?
[13:21] <nid0> odd, i'd expect you to do much better than 3MB/s over the network then, with a USB disk that wouldn't be unexpected though
[13:22] <nid0> at0m|c: no, the sd card doesn't run over usb - network obv does, but network <> sd is only passing over usb once, whereas network <> usb disk would be running back and forward again over the same usb bus, which is what kills transfer speeds
[13:23] <at0m|c> ah thought the sd was on usb, too. but yea, back and forward LAN-usbdisk would halve the speed
[13:23] <nid0> but then downloading torrents isnt exactly large sequential transfers, small bitty transfers like that could be killing the usb anyway, or the sd card might just not be able to handle it
[13:24] <nid0> sbrg: what sd card are you using?
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[13:26] <at0m|c> sbrg: simple card write speed test that times speed of creating 100MB file: time dd if=/dev/zero bs=1024k of=speedtest count=100
[13:29] <sbrg> i don't even remember the brand. it's some cheap 32gb one.
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[13:29] <sbrg> and yeah, the speed test doesn't look good. it gave me 1.9 MB/s
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[13:30] <at0m|c> i get 33.5 MB/s there
[13:30] <at0m|c> doesn't look good. maybe buffers. retrying with count=1000 then sync
[13:31] <nid0> is this an original pi or a pi 2 btw? as well as sd speed there is also a factor of loading down your pi itself if your client is busy - one of my original pi's runs as an occasional seedbox for a hundred of so small files using deluge and its basically loaded down all the time, just from handling announces/connections etc - the pi2 is much more capable though
[13:31] <at0m|c> 5.7 MB/s using count=1000. what a difference
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[13:32] <sbrg> this isn't the pi2. I won this for writing the fastest code in a programming class for some assignment.. then a week later the pi2 is announced ;_;
[13:32] <at0m|c> congrats on that assignment :)
[13:32] <niston> there's always room for optimization
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[13:34] <eirirs> i experienced my rpi(not 2) to have _BAD_ connection to sd-card, so I had to tape on the rear end of sd card for it to sit more tightly
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[13:35] <ShorTie> at least you got yours for free, unlike those of us who paid for the old pi's
[13:35] <eirirs> bam, alot better speed and stability
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[13:39] <sbrg> hmm. this is prettys trange. I'm running the dd speedtest with iotop, and it basically seems to be writing in "bursts".. then apparently getting 'swamped', going to zero and then writing in a burst again
[13:40] <sbrg> well, that kind of sucks. I was hoping for a nice little seedbox using my pi
[13:40] <ShorTie> iotop is consuming resources
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[13:42] <sbrg> surely not enough to actually have an effect on the write speed?
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[13:43] <sbrg> at any rate.. the ~2.0 MB/s matches what I had tuned the max download speed of my torrent client to be where it remained roughly stable
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[13:47] <at0m|c> i get about 6MB/s on nfs cp /mnt/large.file ~/
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[13:59] <sbrg> at0m|c: do you think using nfs instead of the sd card could conceivably improve performance?
[14:00] <at0m|c> sbrg: no, since incoming is also via LAN. unless you have a real bad SD this won't speed up things
[14:00] <at0m|c> sbrg: both in and out over LAN would be double the usb traffic
[14:02] <sbrg> yeah.. I'm wondering if this is the card or the USB. maybe I'll try it out when I have the time
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[14:57] <Tenkawa> hi all
[14:57] <shiftplusone> hey
[14:59] <Tenkawa> wow the weather here is just blah
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[15:13] <mdoge> I have a newly bought raspberry pi that will only show the red light
[15:13] <mdoge> i'm 100% I placed the image correctly onto a supported FAT32 microsd card
[15:13] <mdoge> 100% sure
[15:14] <mdoge> the device must be broken,... right?
[15:14] <mdoge> i've put NOOBS on it.
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[15:14] <mdoge> so - it will not boot, no HDMI output. Only a red light.
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[15:14] <mdoge> is this a common problem?
[15:15] <GilgaM3sh> mdoge: try to disconnect hdmi cable and connect again then turn on the device
[15:15] <mdoge> the green light (activity) does blink a couple of times for a few seconds
[15:15] <mdoge> but after that - no dice
[15:15] <GilgaM3sh> try another sdcard
[15:15] <mdoge> GilgaM3sh: I am on my second
[15:15] <mdoge> Which just came in
[15:15] <mdoge> and is fresh and supported
[15:15] <mdoge> because I figured it was the SD card
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[15:16] <GilgaM3sh> how are u recording the image to sdcard ?
[15:16] <GilgaM3sh> win32 disk imager ?
[15:16] <GilgaM3sh> rufus ?
[15:16] <mdoge> GilgaM3sh: I first format the drive - FAT32, 16gb. Then I extract the NOOBS.zip on disk and transfer the files over
[15:16] <GilgaM3sh> dd command from linux
[15:16] <mdoge> on mac osx
[15:16] <GilgaM3sh> hunm
[15:17] <GilgaM3sh> try another sdcard .... like 4gb 8gb
[15:17] <mdoge> a third^^ ?
[15:17] <GilgaM3sh> i was with the same problem
[15:17] <mdoge> so the way I transfered the files is correct right?
[15:17] <GilgaM3sh> i figured out that was the sdcard
[15:17] <GilgaM3sh> xD
[15:17] <GilgaM3sh> mdoge: i dont know
[15:17] <mdoge> The root directory of the pi SD card should contain multiple files
[15:17] <GilgaM3sh> i dont use MAC
[15:17] <mdoge> not the noobs folder
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[15:17] <mdoge> what do you use on windows?
[15:17] <GilgaM3sh> windows and linux
[15:17] <mdoge> how do you transfer files over?
[15:18] <GilgaM3sh> win32 disk imager or on linux using dd command
[15:18] <GilgaM3sh> that exist on mac os too
[15:18] <mdoge> GilgaM3sh: dd is for .iso's and such right?
[15:18] <mdoge> Noobs comes in a .zip
[15:18] <mdoge> its not a disk image
[15:18] <GilgaM3sh> wherever you want
[15:18] <GilgaM3sh> .iso .img .raw
[15:18] <GilgaM3sh> .bkp
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[15:19] <mdoge> yes, but noobs.zip is a gzip archive with a bunch of files. Its not an image.
[15:19] <GilgaM3sh> dd if=/home/user/noob.iso of=/dev/yoursdcard bs=1M
[15:19] <mdoge> GilgaM3sh: its a .zip
[15:19] <GilgaM3sh> extract them
[15:19] <ozzzy> just extract the noobs.zip to the card
[15:19] <mdoge> GilgaM3sh: there is no .iso in the zip
[15:19] <GilgaM3sh> has a image .img insid
[15:19] <mdoge> you cant dd a directory
[15:20] <mdoge> hmm
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[15:20] <GilgaM3sh> mdoge: you must to extract the zip file
[15:20] <GilgaM3sh> has a image .iso or img inside
[15:20] <mdoge> It has the following 2 .iso's in the root directory: recovery.img and recovery7.img
[15:20] <mdoge> uhm, .img's i meant
[15:20] <Tenkawa> oh...
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[15:21] <GilgaM3sh> mdoge: i dont use noob install .. i use ubuntu for raspberry pi
[15:21] <mdoge> http://imgur.com/TSdN1XQ.png
[15:21] <mdoge> GilgaM3sh: ill try a .iso and dd that over :)
[15:21] <GilgaM3sh> =)
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[15:22] <GilgaM3sh> mdoge: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/RaspberryPi
[15:22] <GilgaM3sh> http://www.finnie.org/software/raspberrypi/2015-04-06-ubuntu-trusty.zip
[15:23] <mdoge> rather not run ubuntu
[15:23] <mdoge> GilgaM3sh: but thanks
[15:23] <GilgaM3sh> ?
[15:23] <GilgaM3sh> ok
[15:23] <GilgaM3sh> wellcome
[15:24] <ozzzy> I never used Noobs before... but thought I'd try it this time... pretty simple
[15:25] <pksato> if act led blick a couple of time, some loaded from sd card. may be, not have hdmi output.
[15:25] <pksato> blink
[15:26] <GilgaM3sh> ozzzy: ubuntu its more simple
[15:26] * GilgaM3sh think
[15:26] <ozzzy> I'll stick with raspbian
[15:26] <GilgaM3sh> good
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[15:27] * Tenkawa prefers standard debian or slackware
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[15:29] <H3ruS> i need a 32gb sdcard =( .... 8gb its too small
[15:29] <pksato> mdoge: key 1 2 3 and 4 select display output, press 2 soon after power on.
[15:31] * ozzzy hasn't used Slack since 96
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[15:32] <Tenkawa> ozzzy: It has gotten fairly good again in the last few years
[15:32] <Tenkawa> ozzzy: most of my time using it was from 94-97
[15:32] <Tenkawa> however I'm glad to see its still around and trying
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[15:33] <ozzzy> my migration route was UnixWare->Slack96->RH4->Mdk5->Mdv->Kubuntu
[15:33] <Tenkawa> heheheheh
[15:33] <mdoge> pksato, GilgaM3sh: omg.. just found out the problem. The display I was using didnt auto-switch to the DVI-port. Appearantly, expensive DELL monitors can 'lock' themselfs on an input via the menu. AAAAAAAArgh..
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[15:34] <Tenkawa> svr4-irix-linux-(insert every variant of unix here afterwards) for me if i remember correctly
[15:34] <Tenkawa> SCO and I never saw eye to eye
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[15:35] <ozzzy> we ran HPUX, Slowaris and QNX at work
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[15:36] <Tenkawa> hpux is one i've probably used the most of the commercial ones.. aix being very close 2nd
[15:36] <Tenkawa> i avoided sunos/solaris as much as i could
[15:36] <ozzzy> I had an SGI machine for a short while with IRIX on it... didn't play with it much
[15:37] <Tenkawa> heheheh
[15:37] <Tenkawa> my ncr svr4 microchannel boxes were fun :)
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[15:39] <ozzzy> I had two minis that I saved from the boneyard... one I donated to the local museum as it was the first computer in town (Wang 2200) and the other was a PDP11-04
[15:39] <ozzzy> the missus hated them
[15:39] <Tenkawa> haahaa i hear ya
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[15:40] <altin> Hi there, I have an RFID reader on /dev/hidraw0 that acts like a keyboard, you swipe the card and it prints the card serial on the screen (wherever you've placed your cursor in a field). I am trying to read it via python on its port. My code will bi running as a bacground proccess, and my question is, can I disable the default key printing and make it available to read only from the code running in the background ? Has anyone done this before ?
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[15:40] <ozzzy> the wang had 120K of ram, a 40MB ST-251 drive and 4 serial terminals
[15:40] <ozzzy> sounded like a turboprop firing up when turned on
[15:40] <Tenkawa> ozzzy: fairly nice for that day
[15:40] <ozzzy> the PDP had a DecWriter and a 5MB removable platter drive
[15:40] <ozzzy> it wasn't much quieter
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[15:41] <Tenkawa> ambient noise :)
[15:41] <Tenkawa> hehehheh
[15:41] <ozzzy> yep
[15:41] <ozzzy> just turn up the music
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[15:48] <HanSooloo> does anyone have info on how to modify the 'recovery.rfs' image on a NOOBS image? goal is to add some commands in there to do low level backups of the SD card and the main OS partitions.
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[15:51] <shiftplusone> you're better off compiling noobs from source
[15:51] <shiftplusone> if not, it's just a squashfs filesystem
[15:51] <HanSooloo> oh I see OK
[15:52] <shiftplusone> (so look up how to extract and repack those, if you want to do it fully manually)
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[16:06] <Tenkawa> Any of you mess with squashfs much?
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[16:07] <mdoge> I dont have a wlan0
[16:07] <mdoge> iwconfig doesnt show it
[16:07] <mdoge> where can I get it :D
[16:07] <mdoge> raspberry pi 2
[16:07] <nid0> you write it
[16:07] <mdoge> Linux flix 3.18.11-v7+ #781 SMP PREEMPT Tue Apr 21 18:07:59 BST 2015 armv7l GNU/Linux
[16:07] <mdoge> nid0: where?
[16:07] <mdoge> /etc/network/interfaces?
[16:07] <pksato> mdoge: you pluged a supported wifi dongle?
[16:07] <nid0> yes
[16:08] <mdoge> pksato: no, doesnt it have wifi builtin?
[16:08] <nid0> no
[16:08] <mdoge> oh.
[16:08] <mdoge> that explains
[16:08] <altos> hey guys, pi-newbie here. How can I tell my raspi2 to give the strenth of electric current for like 5 secounds only?
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[16:10] <ppq> what
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[16:11] <altos> I just want to define for how long the gpio 17 should send 3.3v when turning it on
[16:11] <altos> so no off button
[16:11] <altos> just on for like 5 secs
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[16:13] <ppq> ah
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[16:14] <ppq> i never actually used wiringpi stuff, but why not set the pin to high, delay for 5 sec, then set it to low? should be possible
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[16:40] <HanSooloo> ok, follow up NOOBS recovery.rfs question: would like to add 'rsync' .. can it be done through the 'make menuconfig' command in NOOBS' 'buildroot' environment?
[16:41] <HanSooloo> or do I manually have to expand rfs / add compiled binaries / compress rfs?
[16:44] <shiftplusone> rsync should be in buildroot
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[16:45] <HanSooloo> the goal is to have rsync in recovery shell environment .. when I booted into it, I couldn't 'find / -name rsync' ...
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[16:46] <HanSooloo> I could have missed it .. can re-check
[16:50] <shiftplusone> I mean as an option that you can enable
[16:51] <shiftplusone> in menuconfig
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[17:31] <shiftplusone> SirLagz: good idea
[17:31] <shiftplusone> well.. terrible idea, but it gave me a potentially good idea.
[17:32] <SirLagz> haha
[17:32] <shiftplusone> I need to compile stuff for the pi that takes way too long and chews up through the memory before it completes
[17:32] <SirLagz> shiftplusone: I want to compile a SNMP agent for an ARMv4 box
[17:33] <SirLagz> shiftplusone: recently bought a $5 NAS, and it's an ARMv4 CPU
[17:33] <shiftplusone> It occured to me that I can compile things on my tablet.... though i'll probablly regret trying that after I see how much heat it generates...
[17:33] <SirLagz> haha
[17:33] <shiftplusone> shiftplusone: link?
[17:33] <shiftplusone> (to the NAS)
[17:33] <SirLagz> shiftplusone: you just said your own name. That confused me lol
[17:33] <shiftplusone> wow
[17:33] <shiftplusone> that confused me too
[17:33] <shiftplusone> Must be going insane
[17:34] <SirLagz> shiftplusone: http://sirlagz.net/2015/05/28/cheap-and-nasty-ritmo-single-bay-nas-ce-3590-review-part-1/ <-- that's my blog post on it
[17:34] <SirLagz> don't know if I'll still be able to find a link online lol
[17:34] <SirLagz> I wish I had bought more of these when they were still in the shops
[17:34] <shiftplusone> so what would it take to install your own stuff on it?
[17:34] <SirLagz> upload some firmware through the web page lol
[17:35] <shiftplusone> and it's all in a sensible format without encryption?
[17:35] <SirLagz> shiftplusone: I'm not sure. I tried to poke at the firmware with a TTL adapter, but didn't get very far
[17:35] <SirLagz> shiftplusone: ended up installing SnakeOS on it, and it doubled the performance of the NAS
[17:36] <shiftplusone> cool
[17:36] <SirLagz> shiftplusone: for $5, I'm calling it a win.
[17:36] <shiftplusone> Think I'll try my crazy tablet-as-build-machine idea tomorrow.
[17:36] <SirLagz> I need to figure out how to compile things for ARMv4
[17:36] <SirLagz> I want to put an SNMP agent on this NAS now
[17:37] <SirLagz> SnakeOS gave me SSH access to the NAS
[17:37] <SirLagz> so now I can actually put things onto it
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[17:37] <SirLagz> I've already put on a newer busybox binary
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[17:39] <SirLagz> I think debian lenny is the newest Debian that will run on this NAS too :(
[17:39] <SirLagz> damn old CPU
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[17:41] <shiftplusone> woo... bodhi linux seems to be able to run on a nexus 7
[17:41] <shiftplusone> should be a good base to work from =)
[17:42] <SirLagz> nice
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[17:42] <shiftplusone> unless the internet is lying againm
[17:42] <shiftplusone> at least it seems to be what the google says
[17:42] <normalra> shiftplusone: so, can it be done?
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[17:43] <shiftplusone> normalra: what, compiling stuff for the pi from an android tablet? yeah, definitely. Even if you don't install linux properly, you can chroot into a raspbian install.
[17:43] <normalra> shiftplusone: that's pretty strange, why would you do that? :D
[17:44] <shiftplusone> because libreoffice
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[17:44] <normalra> i was under the impression qemu would suit that kind of thing better.
[17:44] <shiftplusone> Yeah, except my work laptop locks up when the CPU is pinned at 100% for that long
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[17:44] <shiftplusone> because radeon, apparantly.
[17:45] <normalra> oh. then i applaud your persistence :D
[17:45] <shiftplusone> I'll try it on my home PC, which is much more of a beast, but I like having the tablet as a backup
[17:45] <normalra> yeah, i liked chrooting into my android phone, it's pretty neat.
[17:46] <normalra> what distro do you use to compile the software?
[17:46] <shiftplusone> or, I suppose plugwash might be willing to lend some building time on one of this machines
[17:46] <shiftplusone> normalra: any, as long as it lets me run pbuilder.
[17:46] <shiftplusone> then that will chroot into raspbian and build the package
[17:47] <normalra> i assume you're building on a USB otg or something like that?
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[17:48] <shiftplusone> I haven't actually done the mobile build yet, it's just an idea.
[17:48] <shiftplusone> but yeah, I have an OTG usb stick which would work
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[17:48] <shiftplusone> a corsair go
[17:49] <normalra> hm, i think i would prefer building on the pi. even though a swapfile hinders performance. when you're building on that kind of hardware :p
[17:50] <shiftplusone> not enough RAM to link. Adding a silly-sized swap file just takes too long
[17:50] <normalra> what do you mean takes too long?
[17:50] <shiftplusone> I've tried building webkit like that before and it was swapping most of the time
[17:51] <shiftplusone> ended up having to add extra swap files
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[17:51] <normalra> oh dear.
[17:51] <shiftplusone> so it seemed silly, when qemu and pbuilder work well enough
[17:51] <Celerity> Hello, I have a question about the RPi-1.
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[17:52] <Celerity> I am using Kodi on the RPi, and noticed that it frames on certain 1080p videos. If I buy the MPEG2/VC1 license keys, will it fix my problem?
[17:52] <shiftplusone> frames?
[17:52] <Celerity> yes, something like frame dropping/stuttering
[17:52] <shiftplusone> have you checked the codec of those files?
[17:52] <Celerity> I would consider it frame dropping because the audio is perfectly smooth
[17:53] <Bozza> do you guys reckon it is possible to break out a small connector like this ---> http://stellatech.com/pubs/uploads/0203441-nokia-5610-keypad-flex-ui-board-numeric,511131aa5a288.jpg
[17:53] <Celerity> shiftplusone: no, not really but in my experience it's generally mkv files.
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[17:53] <shiftplusone> Celerity: mkv is a container, check the actual codec.
[17:53] <Celerity> but it's not necessary that it's mkv. It's just that high res files
[17:53] <Celerity> okay
[17:53] <shiftplusone> you dropped the dropped... you just said it frames, so I had no idea what you meant.
[17:53] <Celerity> oh sorry.
[17:54] * shiftplusone installs a codec on Celerity in hopes he'll stop dropping words.
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[17:54] <Celerity> I would prefer lossless.
[17:54] <shiftplusone> Don't think that's possible on this medium
[17:55] <Celerity> So, I checked two files. They say MPEG4 (H264)
[17:55] <Celerity> in the video section.
[17:55] <shiftplusone> Then it won't help and it's stuttering for some other reason
[17:55] <Celerity> hmm
[17:55] <Celerity> Well I'm running it off a USB HDD
[17:56] <Celerity> not an SD card.
[17:56] <Celerity> the only 'input' device I have is my TV remote.
[17:56] <Celerity> However, I will still check with more videos.
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[17:57] <Bozza> do you guys think it is possible to break out the nokia keypad cable?
[17:57] <Bozza> like this one http://stellatech.com/pubs/uploads/0203441-nokia-5610-keypad-flex-ui-board-numeric,511131aa5a288.jpg
[17:57] <shiftplusone> sure
[17:57] <ctrlshftn> yesh
[17:57] <shiftplusone> Anything is possible
[17:57] <shiftplusone> Don't let your dreams be dreams
[17:57] <shiftplusone> do it
[17:57] <Celerity> lol
[17:57] <shiftplusone> just do it
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[17:58] <Bozza> xD
[17:58] <Bozza> how would you breakout such a delicate cable?
[18:00] <shiftplusone> do you have the matching connector?
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[18:02] <Celerity> Bozza: apparently the idea is that you will need the matching connector, then design your own pcb, fab it, and then solder the said connector to it.
[18:03] <Bozza> the matching connector is soldered onto the phones pcbs
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[18:04] <Bozza> ahh shame
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[18:04] <Bozza> the nokia e series had some really nice keypads
[18:04] <Bozza> http://www.meabi.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/nokia-e63-2.jpg
[18:04] <Bozza> would have been cool to use with a pi
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[18:05] <SpeedEvil> In principle, you can 3d-print - on decent printers - keyboards.
[18:05] <SpeedEvil> In addition to key domes
[18:05] <SpeedEvil> (metal)
[18:05] <SpeedEvil> http://www.digits2widgets.com/3d_printing_prices/nylon_sls_containers/
[18:06] <SpeedEvil> 40 quid for 90*100*25mm.
[18:06] <SpeedEvil> That's a _lot_ of mobile class keyboards
[18:06] <Tenkawa> wow
[18:06] <Tenkawa> interesting thought
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[18:08] * jer looks longingly at clang, drops his head
[18:08] <shiftplusone> Bozza: if you don't have a matching connector, you could solder wires directly on there and so whatever you want from there.
[18:08] <Tenkawa> jer: got clang+llvm on here too
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[18:09] <Tenkawa> now I'm just trying to get my env variables/paths/etc setup properly to use this
[18:09] <Tenkawa> hehe
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[18:10] <jer> Tenkawa, clang works fine, but freestanding rpi dev, it kinda falls flat when the host is osx
[18:10] <jer> =/
[18:10] <jer> haven't really invested the time to figure out why yet
[18:10] <Tenkawa> ahhh
[18:10] <Tenkawa> I'm running on a x86_64 linux box
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[18:11] <Tenkawa> x86_64 host with 32 bit efi boot firmware.. hows that for a mess
[18:11] <jer> i've worked in the apple ecosystem as a developer for 7 years now, all my computers are a mac, except SBCs like the pi and some others =]
[18:11] <Bozza> http://sell.lulusoso.com/selling-leads/529526/100-New-For-Nokia-N82-Keypad-Flex-Connector-6700c-E63-N82-E71-Keypad-Flex-Connector.html
[18:11] <Bozza> apparently the chinese sell these connectors
[18:11] <SpeedEvil> http://www.aliexpress.com/item/BELLA-Foil-Key-switch-dome-switch-4-5X4-5MM-200pcs-lot/1949797782.html - dome switches
[18:12] <SpeedEvil> these go on your pcb, and you put a waterproof sheet over them, and then the keyboard
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[18:19] <voip> anyone link two RPI's together to act as one machine ... using ubuntu
[18:19] <voip> or another linux distro?
[18:19] <voip> any url referencing this?
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[18:19] <shiftplusone> 'act as one machine' to do what?
[18:20] <shiftplusone> to run crysis, no... to run special task distribution software, sure.
[18:21] <H__> like a grid ? beowulf cluster ? for distcc ?
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[18:24] <Tenkawa> voip: we need clarification on what you mean by acting as one machine
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[18:30] <Tenkawa> brb.. need a rebot
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[18:30] <Tenkawa> reboot rather
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[18:57] <ThinkingofPython> shiftplusone you around?
[18:57] <ThinkingofPython> Having a discrepency and would love to have an engineer weigh in
[18:59] <ThinkingofPython> A 3 input XOR (3 input, 1 output) can be both represented as 1110 and 1111 (Input1, Input2,Input3 and Output)
[18:59] <ThinkingofPython> because of different views about what the XNOR should do
[18:59] <ThinkingofPython> XNOR, not XOR* woops
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[19:07] <cofo> Is it possible to connect atj2085 firmware to raspberry pi?
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[19:09] <__butch__> Anybody have any experience using the Adafruit or FT-330 flow meters with python?
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[19:09] <cofo> I don't but what is the question?
[19:10] <voip> Tenkawa: combine resources with a single platform layer
[19:10] <voip> or way to combine resources at the application layer as a single system
[19:10] <voip> if that makes sense
[19:10] <__butch__> Mostly it's just a "how does this thing even work" kind of question. I'm hoping somebody can share a working circuit with working code. I've done it all on the Arduino and had it working fine, but the same sort of thing doesn't want to work on the RPi.
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[19:12] <methuzla> __butch__ check out Adafruit's kegarator project, it uses a similar flow meter on a pi using python
[19:13] <__butch__> methuzla: I tried it. They don't show the circuit, and their code doesn't work. Also, their github code is mass overkill for what I want -- I'd just like something to show that it works for now.
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[19:14] <__butch__> methuzla: In fact, the Adafruit folks can't even come up with something that works for me. :-(
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[19:17] <__butch__> I was hoping to find someone who would say, "Oh, yeah, I got that working. Don't do what they say. Do this instead. Here's the code and a circuit diagram. Pour one for me!" :-)
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[19:21] <methuzla> __butch__ basically you just need to determine the frequency of the square wave
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[19:22] <methuzla> __butch__ this kind of sensor interface is easier done with an arduino than a pi
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[19:23] <methuzla> __butch__ since the pi is also running linux
[19:23] <__butch__> methuzla: Yes, I know. The problem is that I'm not seeing the transitions properly. Their sample code has the signal line pulled high, and one is supposed to count the rising edges. Ummmm, that can't work. So I tried pulling it low. That didn't work. I tried leaving it floating. That didn't work. I tried with external resistors, both high and low. That didn't work.
[19:23] <Tenkawa> bbl
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[19:24] <__butch__> Ideally, what one should see when the sensor is working is a constant high/low transition, as the hall effect sensor is triggered. I just don't see that.
[19:24] <methuzla> __butch__ there's a circuit shown here: http://www.gemssensors.com/~/media/GemsNA/InstructionBulletins/227372.ashx
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[19:25] <methuzla> __butch__ are you doing something similar to that?
[19:25] <__butch__> Yes, I've tried that circuit.
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[19:26] <methuzla> how did you wire it to the pi? white/black/red cables -> ??? (pins on pi)
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[19:28] <__butch__> Red +5V, black ground, yellow GPIO23
[19:28] <__butch__> According to adafruit, I don't need to level shift the output to 3.3v.
[19:28] <__butch__> I've also tried with a 10K resistor per the diagram.
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[19:29] <__butch__> I.E. pulling the signal high with a 10K resistor.
[19:30] <methuzla> seems fine. i'd use the pullup resistor. do you have code you can pastebin?
[19:31] <__butch__> I think my code is craptastic right now from all the gyrations I've been trying to make this work.
[19:31] <__butch__> I'll try cleaning it up in a bit and verifying that it doesn't work as advertised. :-)
[19:32] <methuzla> ok. go back to trying it with the pullup resistor, and modify code as you think necessary for that.
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[19:50] <HanSooloo> @shiftplusone, would you happen to know the menu-tree location in NOOBS for enabling rsync? looked through it just a few minutes ago .. but couldn't see anything that resembled 'rsync'
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[19:54] <ThinkingofPython> HanSooloo You dont need the @ symbol
[19:54] <ThinkingofPython> you can just say shiftplusone
[19:54] <ThinkingofPython> and it'll ping him
[19:54] <HanSooloo> hah .. social network habbits :-)
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[20:33] <knob> lol
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[20:42] <kapitanf> is here good chess app for raspbian
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[20:46] <kapitanf> is here any chess player
[20:47] <ozzzy> yeah... but I play people not computers
[20:48] <kapitanf> say same issue, not computers
[20:48] <kapitanf> ozzy come to play, any server
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[21:15] <Tenkawa> any of you running mainline 4.1 kernel on a pi2?
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[21:19] <Tenkawa> or any of the 4.0 and newer mainline kernels
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[21:24] <HanSooloo> so I found out that there is a confg variable called "BR2_PACKAGE_RSYNC", which can be set to "y" ... I added that in $NOOBS/buildroot/configs/raspberrypi_defconfig ..
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[21:24] <HanSooloo> but, setting that didn't get me a way to add rsync to the recovery image.
[21:24] <HanSooloo> Do I need to do 'make raspberrypi_defconfig' to make this work?
[21:25] <ShorTie> your trying to update the raspbian image with your own files ??
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[21:25] <HanSooloo> not the raspbian one, the recovery one
[21:25] <HanSooloo> would like to add rsync command (and maybe NFS ones too) to the recovery.rfs image
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[21:26] <HanSooloo> wasn't sure if it was kosher to just add the rsync binary and re-pack
[21:26] <HanSooloo> or do a whole NOOBS build via 'make menuconfig' and 'make' to get a whole thing built
[21:26] <ShorTie> the recovery image is the raspbian image i thought
[21:27] <ShorTie> or scrub NOOBS and use rpi-clone
[21:27] <HanSooloo> from what I understand, recovery.rfs is an initrd that gets loaded at first boot .. and if you add 'rescueshell' to the end of the 'recovery.cmdline' file on the SD card ...
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[21:27] <HanSooloo> right after fresh boot, it drops you into a '/bin/sh' session
[21:27] <ShorTie> rpi-clone on a chrown job
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[21:35] <ShorTie> if your get into the recovery stuff, most likely it is too late for any thing of value any ways, imho
[21:36] <ShorTie> you can not fix file corruption
[21:36] <ShorTie> short of a wipe-n-reload that is
[21:37] <HanSooloo> my motivation is to rsync (backup) a known good partition from inside recovery to a network location .. not because the system is already corrupt
[21:37] <HanSooloo> and any kind of live system backup
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[21:37] <HanSooloo> .. just seems fishy ..
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[21:50] <HanSooloo> found my answer .. had to look under "Target packages / Networking applications" in menuconfig
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[21:50] <HanSooloo> let's see if the build gives me what I need
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[22:02] <__butch__> methuzla: http://pastebin.com/S9s6gYEs
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[22:03] <__butch__> methuzla: The data wire on the flowmeter is pulled high (to 5V) with a 10K resistor.
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