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IRC Log for 2015-07-12

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[0:03] <abnormal> no, but you could go to www.raspberrypi.org in the forums and look..
[0:04] <bedah> already looking, also searching trough the channel logs
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[0:05] <bedah> " if you just power the 3.3V pins then either the core won't get power at all or it will only get it through backfeeding a regulator which is not generally considered a good thing"
[0:06] <ali1234> where did you read that?
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[0:07] <bedah> http://srv.datagutt1.com/index.php?date=2013-02-22 top line :)
[0:08] <bedah> and it sounds very reasonable
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[0:12] <Encrypt> I agree
[0:12] <Encrypt> You should power it with 5V
[0:13] <Encrypt> And avoid hacking the pi to power it ;D
[0:14] <bedah> i will power it with 5V, it will be the easiest thing. for some low power project i have in mind, i might hack the old powerregulators away
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[0:15] <bedah> it's not that much money i risk ;)
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[0:16] <abnormal> but why destroy a magnificent creation by Eben Upton?
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[0:18] <bedah> eben upton.. heard that name before..
[0:18] <abnormal> of course
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[0:25] <ali1234> the 5v regulator is quite efficient anyway
[0:25] <ali1234> i mean... the 5v->3.3v
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[0:26] <bedah> i've seen the schematic from a revision 2.1 model, it was a linear regulator
[0:27] <ali1234> 2.1?
[0:27] <ali1234> you mean 1.2?
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[0:27] <bedah> oh.. the b+ uses a better one, you are right
[0:27] <bedah> https://www.raspberrypi.org/documentation/hardware/raspberrypi/schematics/README.md
[0:27] <bedah> these schematics.. raspberry 2 is missing here
[0:27] <ali1234> yes, no schematic for the 2
[0:28] <ali1234> and the b+ schematic is not complete
[0:28] <bedah> yes but it shows the power regulators, top middle
[0:28] <bedah> ..i guess
[0:28] <ali1234> if you are concerned about power usage, but a A+
[0:29] <ali1234> i use it in a battery powered application
[0:29] <bedah> i will need some computing power, for SDR stuff
[0:29] <ali1234> on a 2000mAh battery it runs for several hours
[0:31] <tawr> bedah: hehe
[0:31] <bedah> for the fun, and because it is cheap: is this recommendable: http://www.ebay.com/itm/171772995978 '3.5" TFT LCD Touch Screen Module 320*480 RGB Display'
[0:31] <tawr> i run a 5,500mah usb battery pack (as a ups / battery) for my rpi2 setup
[0:31] <tawr> i get 12 hours
[0:34] <bedah> sounds good
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[0:36] <bedah> 5.5Ah*3.7V/12h means 1.7W
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[0:37] <bedah> if it uses a 5.5Ah LiIon cell inside
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[1:01] <niston> bedah: what hardware are you going to use for the SDR?
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[1:02] <bedah> for receiving a rtl sdr, then for ham stuff i gonna build a "lima sdr"
[1:03] <niston> considered bladerf?
[1:05] <bedah> considered, but too expensive. i'm a new HAM, i want some radio in ham bands, so lima sdr was my choice
[1:05] <bedah> also i like to solder :)
[1:06] <niston> alright :)
[1:06] <bedah> not enough time and space and resources for all my projects :(
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[1:07] <bedah> this braderf.. altera fpga.. looks mighty
[1:07] <niston> yeah
[1:07] <niston> we're going to use it at work
[1:07] <niston> building some custom test & measurement equipment
[1:08] <bedah> friend of mine does some fpga stuff at work, i haven't had time and money to go into that
[1:08] <bedah> nice
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[1:10] <bedah> this is a nice fpga application: http://websdr.ewi.utwente.nl:8901/ - can handle some clients
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[1:40] <niston> that's pretty cool
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[1:48] <allanonmage_> I'm trying to mount a USB hard drive to a Raspberry Pi B+ running raspbian 5/5/2015 and I'm not sure what kind of problem I'm running in to
[1:48] <allanonmage_> I'm trying to mount the drive and its telling me that it's already mounted
[1:48] <allanonmage_> it seems that it auto mounted
[1:49] <allanonmage_> it seems to have auto mounted read/write, but I can't write to it
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[1:51] <b00ger_daddy> look at the permissions on the share
[1:52] <b00ger_daddy> on the mount
[1:52] <allanonmage_> i ran the mount command and it says rw
[1:53] <bedah> see where it is mounted, cd into it, do "ls -al" to see permissions
[1:53] <bedah> if it is ext4 or so, maybe you are not allowed to write as user
[1:54] <allanonmage_> here's the mount command: http://pastebin.com/yZW3vtpH
[1:54] <allanonmage_> it's NTFS
[1:54] <allanonmage_> and it's showing up in /media
[1:54] <allanonmage_> it's called "80 Gigger"
[1:55] <pksato> ntfs not mount with write function.
[1:55] <allanonmage_> I installed ntfsprogs and I'm trying to get that part working
[1:56] <bedah> writing ntfs on linux is experimental, fat32 can be written more easily
[1:56] <pksato> to safe write on ntfs, use ntfs-3g
[1:56] <pksato> not too safe.
[1:56] <allanonmage_> it's still experimental? I'm looking and watching guides/videos that are years old...
[1:56] <pksato> writting on ntfs is not safe.
[1:57] <bedah> afaik there are some hidden secrets in ntfs
[1:57] <pksato> only comercial modules have correct code to write on ntfs.
[1:57] <allanonmage_> I made a post on the raspi stack exchange trying to figure out the difference between ntfs-3g and ntfsprogs b/c I can't tell one vs the other
[1:58] <bedah> it's not a raspberry issue, it's an windows vs linux issue...
[1:59] <bedah> i got some sticks, formatted to ext3, working on linux and macos, failing on windows
[1:59] <allanonmage_> working off of this guide: https://tinyurl.com/qcnwgpr
[1:59] <bedah> fat32 works on all, but only for files <4G
[1:59] <allanonmage_> watched this vid: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TDe_CmV8iR0
[2:01] <bedah> you first links recommended ntfs-3g, like pksato did
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[2:01] <allanonmage_> trying to figure out the two different packages: http://raspberrypi.stackexchange.com/questions/33367/which-package-to-use-for-ntfs-ntfs-3g-ntfsprogs
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[2:03] <allanonmage_> I get the FAT32 vs NTFS thing, and for the 80GB drive, that will be fine. However, when I get a 5TB drive down the road, FAT32 isn't an option. I'd have to go with an EXT file system, or NTFS. There's not really another option, is there?
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[2:07] <bedah> ah.. concerning the question ntfsprogs vs ntfs-3g, read this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ntfsprogs
[2:07] <bedah> ntfs-3g emerged from older ntfsprogs, use ntfs-3g
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[2:08] <allanonmage_> "ntfs-3g emerged from older ntfsprogs, use ntfs-3g" is what I was looking for
[2:08] <allanonmage_> is ntfsprogs still maintained then, or was it abandoned?
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[2:08] <allanonmage_> that wiki page didn't help me understand btw
[2:09] <pksato> ntfsprogs use official information avaliable about ntfs.
[2:09] <pksato> ntfs-3g use some not official information.
[2:10] <bedah> ah.. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tuxera this tuxera company did both, and it merged ntfsprog into, voila, ntfs-3g
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[2:11] <allanonmage_> so ntfsprogs is the old version? does that mean its no longer supported?
[2:11] <bedah> nope.. not quite right. the open ntfsprog was merged into tuxeras ntfs-3g.. dunno, its only wikipedia
[2:12] <allanonmage_> but the jist of it sounds like I want to use ntfs-3g if i'm gonna use ntfs on linux/raspi
[2:12] <allanonmage_> sounds clear as mud
[2:12] <allanonmage_> sounds like something a corporate PR campaign would come up with though
[2:14] <bedah> ntfs is microsoft stuff, so funny things happen
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[2:17] <allanonmage_> speaking of Microsoft, have they released the windows 10 build yet?
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[2:21] <allanonmage_> it looks like raspbian comes with ntfs-3g?
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[3:39] <garfong> Would I be right in assuming this thing isn't going to have very good battery life: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/279364224/naturebytes-wildlife-cam-kit-digital-making-for-wi/comments
[3:39] <garfong> ?
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[3:40] <Berg> good for learning
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[3:42] <Berg> the batteries look ok
[3:42] <Berg> prolly last a good time
[3:42] <Berg> you can always hook it up to a larger battery pack
[3:43] <garfong> I guess I'm comparing it to the trail cams you can buy for about 100 bucks
[3:43] <garfong> being kind of new to electronics
[3:43] <garfong> I'm seeing that the rpi a pulls at least 100ma at idle
[3:43] <Berg> its got a movement sensor i think
[3:43] <garfong> so that's a few days at best I think right?
[3:44] <Berg> that you will have to find out for self
[3:44] <Berg> why do you need to buy the kit when all the parts are on the market
[3:44] <Berg> make your own design
[3:45] <[Saint]> Honestly - why make one anyway?
[3:45] <[Saint]> You end up with a more expensive largely inferior product.
[3:45] <[Saint]> Mass production always wins.
[3:45] <garfong> true
[3:46] <[Saint]> If this is for your own education, then by all means, go nuts.
[3:46] <[Saint]> If this is a product you intend to use day-to-day and will depend on - I doubt the pi is the answer.
[3:46] <Berg> i think more in the way of education value
[3:48] <garfong> Well... I was kind of hoping that there was a low power trick or something with the pi that I didn't know about... alot of the trail cams with better connectivity are pricey
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[3:48] <garfong> but I think you're right, this thing they're doing does appear to be more about education
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[3:52] <[Saint]> That's exactly what it is for.
[3:52] <[Saint]> Though there are a LOT of people trying to kludge the pi into commercial applications.
[3:52] <[Saint]> Frankly, I wouldn't buy any product with a pi at heart.
[3:52] <NedScott> cheap non-bulk access to a great and well documented SoC
[3:52] <NedScott> doesn't seem that weird to me
[3:53] <[Saint]> That's been a thing with various products for years.
[3:53] <NedScott> the only reason to not buy a product that uses a Pi is that you can probably just make it yourself, and not that it is bad at the task at hand :)
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[3:53] <[Saint]> That and the fact that they're inherently unreliable unless you have them in a pure RO state
[3:53] <NedScott> well, no
[3:54] <[Saint]> No one wants a product that just decides to shit itself for no reason.
[3:54] <NedScott> that's not really true at all
[3:54] <[Saint]> Especially in a remote situation as a trail cam.
[3:54] <[Saint]> So you've never had a pi just decide to corrupt its boot partition at all? Ever?
[3:54] <[Saint]> Not once?
[3:54] <NedScott> that is correct
[3:54] <JK-47> they have been incredibly reliable from what ive seen when properly used and encased.
[3:54] <[Saint]> Then you, Sir, are a very lucky boy.
[3:54] <[Saint]> The rest of us, not so.
[3:54] <JK-47> any OS may corrupt their filesystem on unclean shutdown
[3:55] <JK-47> ive seen windows do it far more often than my pi
[3:55] <[Saint]> I find the ODROID C1 to be orders of magnitude more reliable, and a metric craptonne faster.
[3:55] <JK-47> but it wouldnt be dififcult to make the pi RO on its boot.
[3:56] <[Saint]> ...though I do use the eMMC addon.
[3:56] <NedScott> there's at least a few hundred thousand Pis out there being used in commercial applications, such as digital signage, kiosks, and various other htings.
[3:56] <NedScott> while I doubt the failure rate is 0, it seems to be more than acceptable for most people
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[3:57] <JK-47> I deal with enterprise level datacenter hardware, primarily storage and compute. Ive seen them lose 5% of drives on an unclean power off
[3:57] <JK-47> Ive seen SSDs go bad
[3:57] <JK-47> nand based flash has a limited lifespan of # of writes per cell
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[3:57] <JK-47> im sure people here are also not using the best sd, and heavy writes
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[3:58] <[Saint]> I don't doubt that for many applications the pi is a good fit, but it is hard to argue that for many applications where a pi /could/ fit - that there is an overall less expensive and infinitely better off-the-shelf solution.
[3:58] <JK-47> a recycling image or looping trailcam could blow out the cells pretty quickly. months maybe
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[3:58] <NedScott> sure, if you're including everything in the world ever made
[3:58] <NedScott> the Pi would make for a horrible plate holder
[3:58] <NedScott> the Pi is a horrible tampon
[3:58] <NedScott> etc
[4:00] <JK-47> I couldnt buy good, programmable, internet enabled security cameras for what i can build them for.
[4:00] <[Saint]> Gotta love people chosing to be deliberately obtuse.
[4:00] <[Saint]> It sure doesn't make them seem like an idiot at all...nope nope nope.
[4:00] <NedScott> I think I had this discussion with you before
[4:00] <NedScott> and concluded you didn't know what the fuck you were talking about
[4:00] <JK-47> 1 boot image. i update 1 config file and flash my sd. plug in a new device. done.
[4:00] <JK-47> maybe he has a financial interest in odroid ;)
[4:04] <[Saint]> ♪ Ooooooh child, things are gonna get brighter...ooooh child, your panties are gonna get unbunched one day...♪
[4:05] <[Saint]> Hurr durr, someone on the Internet has an opinion that differs from mine! Arrrgh!
[4:05] <Broly> well
[4:05] <Broly> i got 4.1 to boot
[4:05] <Broly> and show a gui
[4:05] <Broly> i think
[4:06] <McBride36> you think?
[4:06] <[Saint]> I've run that gambit myself - it's just a pity that it not being accelerated makes it almost completely unusable.
[4:06] <Broly> well i have a ubuntu mate kernel, but i explicitly renamed it and changed the built 4.1 to kernel.img. pretty sure it's booting it and now it's trying to use all of the ubuntu modules
[4:06] <[Saint]> trying to use mouse input with it is hilarious.
[4:07] <[Saint]> Ohhhhhh...I see. Whoops. 4.1 /kernel/, not another trying to cram Android onto a pi thing.
[4:07] <Broly> nah man
[4:07] <Broly> i'm not a droid programmer at all
[4:08] <Broly> actually trying to make a native compiler for armv7
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[4:09] <Chaos_Zero> Hello, I am trying to turn off a pin with rpi.gpio (python library)
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[4:09] <Chaos_Zero> If I just set it to "low" some voltage still comes through. I can do a cleanup and reset the pin every time I turn it off, but I was wondering if there is a better way.
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[4:21] <Broly> don't use python lols
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[4:24] <abnormal> oh?
[4:24] <abnormal> why not?
[4:26] <NedScott> don't mind him, just a real python snuck into his house one night and killed his whole family, so now he hates the scripting language python
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[4:37] <Broly> hahahahaha you're pretty close, you prefixed python with the root of my ire
[4:37] <Broly> kudos good ned, kudos
[4:39] <[Saint]> Feed on your fear...
[4:39] <[Saint]> Become, Pythonman!
[4:40] <[Saint]> Worked well enough for Bruce.
[4:43] <ali1234> was batman actually afraid of bats or did they make that up for the nolan films?
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[4:46] <[Saint]> Way before then, and, yes - it's cannon now.
[4:46] <[Saint]> That was a Keaton batman thing.
[4:46] <[Saint]> From Batman Begins.
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[4:47] <JK-47> https://qph.is.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-beb2efc749170ce1c2340c5e9693b1fb?convert_to_webp=true
[4:47] <JK-47> from long ago
[4:47] <ali1234> he doesn't look very afraid...
[4:48] <Broly> https://www.dropbox.com/s/lwkroiynlobngpk/imgplusdts_rpi2b.zip?dl=0 just in case someone wants a zImage/Image+dtb file that works for 2b (i am running MATE atm so i could only change these out, and i have to figure out how to remove modules that i know probably have issues w/ the rebuilt kern)
[4:48] <JK-47> https://qph.is.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-0f1298d23ec7a97917e5dfd39bc0055e?convert_to_webp=true
[4:48] <JK-47> thats from batman year one, 1987
[4:48] <Broly> (linux 4.1 is why i shared, sorry)
[4:48] <[Saint]> ..'cos it predates his origin stor{y|ies}
[4:48] <ali1234> JK-47: i'll accept that one :)
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[7:35] <KapitanF> have phpchess concurence?
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[7:50] <[Saint]> assorted words with question mark?
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[7:56] <molgrum> my raspberry has systemd-journald that takes up 20% RAM, should i be worried?
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[7:56] <JK-47> lots of write activity to disk?
[7:57] <JK-47> something generating lots of logs?
[7:57] <molgrum> JK-47: no idea actually, i have a web server and a bouncer
[7:57] <molgrum> that's pretty much it
[7:57] <JK-47> look for a large file in /var/log/journal/
[7:57] <JK-47> which user is it for?
[7:58] <molgrum> journal is 57 MB
[7:58] <JK-47> then see whats flooding your /var/log/messages or the individual syslog channels
[7:58] <molgrum> messages is 4 Kb
[7:59] <JK-47> journalctl
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[8:00] <amygdala> Evening -- is there a decent peice of software out there that will do motion capture using a webcam and upload like a minute on either side of each motion w/ a normal webcam?
[8:00] <amygdala> Maybe uploate it somewhere etc
[8:00] <JK-47> motion-mmal
[8:00] <JK-47> read this post. https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=43&t=75240 the dude made a special version
[8:01] <JK-47> so that motion detection uses a small image, but a secondary buffer writes a larger image
[8:01] <JK-47> more cpu friendly
[8:01] <amygdala> Yeah
[8:01] <amygdala> mne and this dog
[8:01] <molgrum> JK-47: every 4 hours it says "starting paths" and some log entries
[8:01] <amygdala> I have 34
[8:01] <amygdala> er 3
[8:01] <amygdala> I will find the pisser
[8:01] <JK-47> make sure your cams are v4l compatible
[8:02] <amygdala> well
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[8:02] <amygdala> the two I have have worked in the past
[8:02] <molgrum> JK-47: maybe not 4 hours
[8:02] <amygdala> using that program where you can liek
[8:02] <amygdala> pull it up and watch yourself wave
[8:02] <amygdala> the p2 works far better than the pi2
[8:02] <amygdala> but I was the orig pi to find the pisser
[8:02] <amygdala> ;)
[8:02] <molgrum> JK-47: but any idea what paths is?
[8:03] <JK-47> i have mine doing jpg of 15 frames/sec. rsyncing over ssh to a remote server. which then uploads to dropbox
[8:03] <amygdala> I'd just like to say
[8:03] <amygdala> record last minute.. if something moves take that and keep sending it somewhere untilt he movement stops
[8:04] <JK-47> you can set snapshot intervals.
[8:04] <JK-47> and itll keep recording till X seconds after movement stops
[8:04] <JK-47> you arent the first one to do this
[8:04] <JK-47> motion mmal does it
[8:04] <amygdala> Yea the area where this is happening is my game room
[8:04] <amygdala> we never go in there
[8:04] <amygdala> it's totally thos ho
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[8:05] * [Saint] hands JK-47 his well earned Diploma In Advanced Engrish
[8:05] <[Saint]> Well done man. Well done.
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[8:05] <[Saint]> I can only pick out a few key points of context.
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[8:07] <JK-47> my engrish is good
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[8:07] <[Saint]> Apparently so.
[8:07] <amygdala> I just want this dog to stop pissing
[8:07] <JK-47> so, dont let it in that room
[8:07] <amygdala> JK-47: Yeah. There is a trail of destruction my friend.
[8:07] <amygdala> She is 10.
[8:08] <amygdala> 3 months ago she jimped out of a 2 story window via- a screen --- chipped a tooth
[8:08] <amygdala> and took off running after a squirrl
[8:08] <amygdala> Bitch will not be held down
[8:08] <[Saint]> Don't treat the symptom. Treat the cause.
[8:08] <amygdala> We've done the puppy xanax
[8:08] <amygdala> she has completely destroyed the refridgerator
[8:08] <amygdala> tore shelves out
[8:09] <amygdala> chewed the inside walls
[8:09] <amygdala> Shes' batshit
[8:09] <amygdala> but she's -my- batshit
[8:09] <amygdala> 10 years... how much longer can she go
[8:09] <amygdala> She knows I love her etc
[8:09] <[Saint]> y'know how they say animals reflect their owners?
[8:09] <[Saint]> ...think on that.
[8:09] <amygdala> Yeah
[8:09] <amygdala> I've thought on it
[8:09] <tawr> lol
[8:10] <amygdala> and your arm chair judgments are appareciate and sent directly into the 'can of fucks' which.. I might add is COMPLETELY empty
[8:10] <tawr> amygdala: your pup sounds awesome
[8:10] <tawr> i'm glad she wasn't hurt, 2 stories is a long way down
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[8:10] <amygdala> tawr: she's mun babe
[8:10] <amygdala> tawr: chipped a tooth
[8:10] <[Saint]> Well you're demonstrating an animal with a clear bahavioural issue, and your concern is her pissing on the floor.
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[8:10] <Berg> I have a cyborg dog no trouble at all
[8:11] <amygdala> [Saint]: Again, I"m sure you're yeares in vet school were worth the $$ -- however she's a fucking angel 5 nines of the time. It's anxiety trying to find the cause.
[8:11] <Berg> cut its head off and replace it with a PI
[8:11] <tawr> amygdala: i had a pup that would come when I welded and would eat the sparks until I noticed she was there
[8:12] <molgrum> can i clear the systemd-journald log to free some RAM?
[8:12] <tawr> the first time she did it, she lost every single hair on her snout, her whiskers, her eyebrows, her eyelashes. i can her inside to wash her off and check her eyes expecting the worst
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[8:12] <tawr> not a single burn on her
[8:12] <tawr> she's the same pup that would sit around coke cans outside waiting for bees to come out, then eat them. yeah.
[8:12] <Berg> lucky
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[8:12] <[Saint]> How often is this animal alone?
[8:13] <[Saint]> I posit one would notice her "completely destroying" things were they present.
[8:13] <Berg> :)
[8:13] <Berg> the dog does what its trained to do
[8:13] <Berg> if you train it to bark 24/7 then it does
[8:13] <[Saint]> exactly Berg.
[8:13] <tawr> Berg: yeah. i didn't realize she was outside when I started working. scared me so bad
[8:14] <Berg> you dog do it again tawr ?
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[8:14] <Berg> or only ones
[8:14] <[Saint]> If one needs a raspi to monitor a room with motion capture - I'm gonna /guess/ the answer is "a lot".
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[8:14] <tawr> Berg: every time she saw sparks she'd come running
[8:15] <[Saint]> Feel free to jump out and correct me.
[8:15] <tawr> just like the bees. she probably ate a thousand bees over her life
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[8:15] <Berg> they was tastey
[8:15] <[Saint]> uuuugh - my kitten likes bees a whole lot.
[8:15] <Berg> the sdparks not taste
[8:15] <[Saint]> getting stung in the face, no so much.
[8:15] <tawr> she wasn't allergic and getting stung didn't bother her at all
[8:15] <Berg> my dog eats grass
[8:15] <tawr> she'd get stung every few bees she'd eat
[8:15] <tawr> shake her face a few times, maybe paw it a few times, then sit down next to the can to get more
[8:15] <[Saint]> y'know they get stung when they start sneexing, heh.
[8:16] <tawr> i miss her :( she was my taquatche :(
[8:16] <[Saint]> *sneezing, even
[8:16] <tawr> yeah, haha
[8:16] <[Saint]> Possum?
[8:16] <Berg> well like its said in the data pdf that comes with your pet your the teacher in the end
[8:16] <tawr> she was a crazy dog. i'd call her my taquatche but she was really a full sized chihuahua mix. had tiny eyes though. looked like a mini Anubis
[8:16] <[Saint]> (sorry - not familiar with 'taquatche')
[8:17] <tawr> yes [Saint], i'd call her my possum
[8:17] <tawr> as a term of endearment heh
[8:17] <amygdala> I love my baby. Wife not nearly an enamored.
[8:17] <Berg> the rule is a dog has to serve a purpose if it does not shot it
[8:17] <amygdala> I shall perservere.
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[8:18] <[Saint]> Is she the one at home with the dog by any chance?
[8:18] <Berg> if you buy the way combination dog chow mein is realy good
[8:18] <tawr> amygdala: you could always diaper it. muzzle when you're not there to limit damage. put socks on her too
[8:19] <Berg> eat it
[8:19] <Berg> then it will always be with you
[8:19] <Berg> :)
[8:19] <amygdala> tawr... about that.
[8:19] <[Saint]> You'll consume its power.
[8:19] <amygdala> tawr: I used to try to leave her in the garage with a couch
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[8:20] <[Saint]> Dog confined in a room all day gets anxiety issues - More news at 6.
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[8:20] <amygdala> after a while I came back to find the couch flipped in the center of the garage with all the stuffing and cloth torn out -- as well as every electroic wire of any sort chewed.
[8:20] <Berg> missed your chance should left the power on
[8:21] <[Saint]> If your lifestyle can't sustain a pet - perhaps it is time to move on.
[8:21] <Berg> point is they blame the pet for its bad habits
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[8:21] <[Saint]> right
[8:21] <amygdala> I've had this dog for 10 years
[8:21] <tawr> amygdala: what kind of dog?
[8:21] <[Saint]> which sucks.
[8:21] <amygdala> I do not blame her at all
[8:21] <amygdala> I am trying to solving
[8:21] <Berg> the solution is pay more attention to your pet
[8:22] <tawr> because i have 2 100lb rescues, one 100% red-nose pit, and one boxer mix of some sort. the boxer was a feral dog living on the streets of a tiny ranch town
[8:22] <tawr> the vet said she would tear my house apart of i ever let her inside
[8:22] <amygdala> So you're wondering attempt at impuning my failings, while awesome and I'm sure has a marvelous masturbatory effect on your ego, is simply unhelpful at this point
[8:22] <tawr> she has never peed inside, tore anything, or made a mess. ever.
[8:22] <amygdala> she's a shepherd mix
[8:22] <amygdala> I saved her from a pound in 2006
[8:22] <tawr> :) awesome
[8:22] <[Saint]> How do you manage to selectively fail at English so hard, then come out with sentences like that?
[8:22] <[Saint]> I'm confused.
[8:23] <amygdala> soon as I got her in the door she ran to the backdoor, got tangled in the blinds and before I could get to her she was bouncing up and down on 1 leg in in a prison of blinds ;)
[8:23] <tawr> shepards have a lot of energy, amygdala. they're also a bit on the anxious side. have you tried the toy/bribe way ?
[8:23] <amygdala> you're confused. I'm busy.
[8:23] <Berg> its a rebuke of the facts denial of truth is whats wrong with pet
[8:23] <amygdala> Someday we can have an English off.
[8:23] <amygdala> Right now I need to get my pi in spy mode
[8:24] <amygdala> Sweet fuck.
[8:24] <amygdala> -I- am the one who screwed the pooch here (unfortunately worded, i realize). Alas, I'm working on it.
[8:25] <[Saint]> My impression though is that you're working on symptoms rather than cause - I'm only working with what I'm given.
[8:25] <[Saint]> I have a feeling I'm not alone here.
[8:25] <Berg> i do suspect your in denial and crying out for help but your ego refuses to allow you to except that others see the truth instantly
[8:25] <amygdala> I have 2 other dogs and I want to verify it's her before I do anyting else. Odessa the demon does not like loud noises etc... so i have a dipshit alpha mini-schnauzer asshat so half the time if he goes out first she doesnt wanna go out because he attacks her etc
[8:25] <amygdala> ok
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[8:25] <amygdala> I'm in denial.
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[8:26] <Berg> and you dog is paying the price
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[8:26] <Berg> poor dog
[8:26] <[Saint]> I know this one, that's that big river in Eygypt right?
[8:26] <Berg> shoot it
[8:26] <amygdala> I'm lost in a tower of complete refusal to accept the truth when In fact I'm just verifying I'm not going to working on the wrong fucking dog.
[8:26] <amygdala> Appreciate the advice.
[8:26] <Berg> welcome
[8:26] <amygdala> Lets talk about arresting black people for no reason or somsrhing.
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[8:27] <Berg> my dog is choclate
[8:28] <Berg> chocolater
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[8:41] <tawr> amygdala: or just setup the damn camera to take a low res photo every minute or something
[8:41] <tawr> instead of trying to get all fancy
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[9:29] <NedScott> hmm, I wonder why I can't see any ROMs on recalbox that I just loaded
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[9:31] <molgrum> is it much work to setup an xmpp server in a Pi? what's the easiest server software to setup?
[9:31] <molgrum> it's only me who's gona use it, probably
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[10:28] <nyo> Hi guys, does someone has a rasberry phone like this one ? https://www.raspberrypi.org/piphone-home-made-raspberry-pi-smartphone/
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[10:35] <ShorTie> l00ks a little cumbersome
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[10:36] <[Saint]> That's putting it mildly.
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[11:26] <dearn> Have a feeling they wouldn't let you on the airplane with phone like this
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[11:27] <ShorTie> lol, ya really
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[11:28] <dearn> There was a nice looking tablet tho
[11:29] <dearn> http://www.pocket-lint.com/news/126531-homemade-raspberry-pi-tablet-pipad-with-wood-finish-and-linux-os-will-set-your-sweet-tooth-tingling/gallery?photo=4
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[11:42] <ShorTie> but once again, if you want a tablet, buy a tablet, imho
[11:43] <[Saint]> dearn: yeah - ShorTie is right here.
[11:43] <[Saint]> Phone, tablet - doesn't matter.
[11:43] <[Saint]> You end up with an inferior product at twice the price.
[11:43] <ShorTie> i hear that
[11:43] <[Saint]> actually, only twice the price if you're lucky, and frugal.
[11:43] <[Saint]> you can spend a LOT more making a crappy pi-based product.
[11:44] <ShorTie> yup.
[11:44] <[Saint]> I did make a pi based tablet myself - but only as a "because I can" project.
[11:44] <[Saint]> If that's what it is to you, go for it.
[11:45] <[Saint]> I called it a Piblet.
[11:45] <ShorTie> oh ya, that doesn't count for any educational/fun project
[11:45] <[Saint]> Oh, it was /also/ twice the /size/ :)
[11:46] <ShorTie> educational/fun projects have the good old 'no holds bar' rule
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[16:08] <Tenkawa> hi all
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[16:12] <Tenkawa> yay 4.1 kernel working great on my pi 2's
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[16:18] <Tenkawa> brb
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[16:18] <Macuser> anyone on geekshed?
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[16:20] <Tenkawa> yay.. patched to 4.1.2 successfully
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[16:28] <Tenkawa> anyone playing video (dvd) through a pi2 much?
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[16:51] <dearn> [Saint]: oh yeah you're right, just saying that that tablet at least looked good and not like bomb
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[16:53] <Basketball> hey
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[17:20] <giddles> hello, my pi needs 2-4 times 'repower' to start...
[17:20] <giddles> is this normal?
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[17:45] <ThinkingofPython> shiftplusone You around
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[17:47] <exonormal> I think so, I haven't seen him square or rectangular....
[17:48] <exonormal> you can ping him if you like...
[17:49] <ThinkingofPython> Saying his name, pings him
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[17:49] <ThinkingofPython> giddles No, this is not normal.
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[17:50] <ThinkingofPython> You may have PSU issues. Can you try another?
[17:50] <exonormal> how about niston?
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[17:52] <ThinkingofPython> Just wondering if shiftplusone had time to check about the status of the Education Fund
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[17:52] <ThinkingofPython> if niston can answer for that, cool.
[17:52] <ThinkingofPython> :)
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[17:53] <ThinkingofPython> I'm the lead of a Educational DIY organization, and would love to apply. The page says it's down until July when the new CEO arrives/when it can be reviewed. Just wondering if there's a timeline or anything
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[18:01] <MY123> hi
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[18:37] <ThinkingofPython> :3
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[18:54] <niston> sup
[18:54] <niston> just returned
[18:55] <niston> ah, no I wouldn't know anything about the Education Fund, sorry
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[19:08] <knob> hey yah
[19:08] <abnormal> hey yah
[19:08] <JK-47> Hey andre 3000
[19:10] <GentileBen> I'm disturbed you know who Outkast are.
[19:10] <ppq> who doesnt
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[19:10] <JK-47> ive met Andre on a few occassions
[19:11] <GentileBen> He's an old man, though. It'd be like me knowing what Old Spice used to look like before that black guy started selling it.
[19:11] <GentileBen> JK-47: is he Creative Directory of Innovation for EMC?
[19:11] <GentileBen> -y
[19:11] <JK-47> you know, im 2 years younger than he is lol
[19:12] <GentileBen> Eh, a lot of famous rappers / hip-hop artists are in their late 30s / 40s.
[19:12] <GentileBen> They mostly have cracker names, too.
[19:13] <JK-47> Ive been on elevators and airplanes with lots of famous people
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[19:21] <ThinkingofPython> Andre 3000 is badass
[19:22] <ThinkingofPython> I'm sorry Mrs. Jackson
[19:22] <ThinkingofPython> oooooooooooooooo
[19:22] <ThinkingofPython> I am for reeeaalll
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[19:26] <abnormal> ThinkingofPython: did you find shiftplusone
[19:26] <abnormal> ?
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[19:26] <ThinkingofPython> nope
[19:27] <abnormal> dang.. how about [Saint]?
[19:27] <ShorTie> he was lost, but now he is found
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[19:29] <ThinkingofPython> Any pi staff would do :p
[19:31] <ShorTie> like foundation staff or here staff ??
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[19:34] <abnormal> lol
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[19:34] <abnormal> he said pi staff
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[19:34] <GentileBen> JK-47, who is the most famous person you've shared an elevator with?
[19:35] <foofoobar> Hi. My rasp is running osmc, but I does not connect to my router anymore. Maybe it has something to do with the router I replaced.
[19:35] <ThinkingofPython> foundation staff.
[19:35] <abnormal> I hope Jay Leno
[19:35] <JK-47> neil diamond. Andre. John Chambers.
[19:35] <abnormal> wow
[19:35] <abnormal> cool
[19:35] <JK-47> hmmmm senators, but fuck them
[19:35] <foofoobar> How can I reconnect to this now? It seems like it does not get an IP from the router
[19:35] <abnormal> lol
[19:35] <foofoobar> I put the sd card now in my laptop, is there a way to chroot this and see if there is some static ip configured?
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[19:35] <JK-47> famous is relative.
[19:35] <Encrypt> Hi!
[19:36] <Encrypt> Anyone here living near Paris interested in buying a Raspberry Pi 2? :D
[19:36] <JK-47> john chambers was far more influential in the world than any of the others listed.
[19:36] <allanonmage> I'm trying to figure out NTFS mounting on a raspi B+ running raspian 5/5/2015. It seems that ntfs-3g is installed by default and the OS automounts, but I don't think I am getting the appropriate permissions, even if I umount and remount. I'm a linux newbie too. What can I do next?
[19:36] <ShorTie> ok, he hasn't really been around much, i'd suggest a msg to him then
[19:36] <Encrypt> (I'm pretty sure no one will answer though)
[19:36] <JK-47> allanonmage: what permissions do youw ant, and whats your fstab?
[19:37] <allanonmage> I'd like all the permissions? idk what an fstab is
[19:37] <JK-47> cat /etc/fstab pastebin it
[19:37] <ThinkingofPython> thanks ShorTie I just did
[19:38] <allanonmage> this is what I have now: http://pastebin.com/UrgUZJDL
[19:38] <JK-47> thats not really what i asked for ;)
[19:38] <JK-47> do you want to use the files as pi or root?
[19:39] <ThinkingofPython> Heh, everyone comes here to ask for help, chat pi, etc
[19:39] <ThinkingofPython> And Im always here to ask about the Pi Education Fund lol
[19:39] <allanonmage> I'm not sure what the ramifications are of either.
[19:39] <ThinkingofPython> :D If I chatted about my hardware, that'd be disclosing my product plan ;)
[19:40] <allanonmage> I'm trying to follow this guide: https://tinyurl.com/qcnwgpr
[19:40] <JK-47> allanonmage: do as i asked.
[19:40] <allanonmage> am I supposed to just type that command u gave me into the terminal?
[19:40] <ThinkingofPython> allanonmage Why tinyurl it?
[19:40] <JK-47> cat /etc/fstab pastebin it
[19:40] <allanonmage> http://www.howtogeek.com/139433/how-to-turn-a-raspberry-pi-into-a-low-power-network-storage-device/?PageSpeed=noscript
[19:41] <JK-47> remove said passwords.
[19:41] <allanonmage> isn't that IRC etiquite?
[19:41] <ThinkingofPython> ^Never heard of it in my 10+ years in IRC xD
[19:42] <ThinkingofPython> Tinyurl and other alike services can be used to shorten and hide malicious links
[19:42] <allanonmage> cat /etc/fstab -> http://pastebin.com/G186JUns
[19:42] <allanonmage> idk, I'm new to IRC too
[19:43] <JK-47> ok so you have no default entry in your fstab to mount it up
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[19:43] <allanonmage> it's currently mounted to /media/USBHDD001
[19:43] <JK-47> how are you automounting?
[19:44] <allanonmage> seems the OS is doing that... I don't think I did that
[19:44] <allanonmage> but I wonder if I understand what "mount" means in Linux terminology too
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[19:44] <JK-47> so if you reboot, its there again?
[19:45] <allanonmage> I love the reboot message lol
[19:46] <JK-47> type the command: mount
[19:46] <ShorTie> ya, raspbian automounts stuff to /media
[19:46] <JK-47> pastebin the output
[19:46] <allanonmage> k, when it comes back up
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[19:47] <allanonmage> mount -> http://pastebin.com/Kzz1kHjH
[19:47] <allanonmage> here is says read/write, but the ls command says otherwise
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[19:49] <allanonmage> and it's automounted as "80 Gigger" instead of to the folder. 80 Gigger is the name of the drive
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[19:49] <JK-47> lemme see on mine what usbmount uses as its backup config, or if its just using udev defaults
[19:49] <allanonmage> output /media ls -al -> http://pastebin.com/73PvDj6L
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[19:50] <allanonmage> on a related note, it seems I can make a directory in the terminal, but not in the File Manager. Does that sound right? That doesn't seem right to me
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[19:52] <allanonmage> I like that it automounts to /media with a folder of the drive name, so that's good. but I can't write to the drive/folder in File Manager (tested by trying to make a new folder/directory)
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[19:56] <JK-47> allanonmage: http://pastebin.com/EW3WQW7r
[19:56] <JK-47> do that. itll solve your issues i bet
[19:57] <allanonmage> what does that do?
[19:57] <JK-47> remounts with full permissions
[19:57] <allanonmage> changes the way it's automounted?
[19:57] <JK-47> otherwise you need to add an entry in /etc/fstab with the permissions you want
[19:57] <JK-47> so that the OS will mount it before usbmount does
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[20:02] <allanonmage> so, since I'm effectively installing random packages from apt-get all the time from random guides and netizens.... is there any curation or malware scanning done in the apt-get cloud/app store/database, or is it a free-for-all and buyer-beware when downloading packages?
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[20:03] <JK-47> you are installing them from the official repositories, which are gpg checked
[20:04] <ShorTie> there is no malware in apt-get, or at least if you haven't changed up your sources.list
[20:04] <ShorTie> just might want to run a 'apt-get clean' now and then to free up sdcard space
[20:04] <ant_thomas> allanonmage : if you're adding other repos then it's definitely a risk. But if you're using only the standard repos then you'll be fine
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[20:07] <pksato> exit
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[20:11] <allanonmage> so.... can the file manager in raspbian actually do anything? or am I falling into a admiral ackbar level trap?
[20:11] <allanonmage> or do I need to run it as sudo/root to get it to do something?
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[20:21] <allanonmage> OK, so I can make a directory in the terminal now. I think I could before. But I can't create a folder or file with FIle Manager in the UI
[20:21] <allanonmage> pastebin: http://pastebin.com/QeWPxs3v
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[20:27] <ant_thomas> allanonmage: I assume you're trying to modify system files/folders which need root privileges?
[20:27] <allanonmage> both system and non system folders
[20:27] <allanonmage> unless /media stuff is considered sstem?
[20:27] <ant_thomas> Who owns it?
[20:28] <allanonmage> that recent pastebin has that info I think
[20:28] <allanonmage> there's an ls -al in there
[20:28] <ant_thomas> root owns USBHDD001
[20:28] <ant_thomas> pi owns 80 Gigger
[20:28] <allanonmage> working with 80 Gigger
[20:29] <allanonmage> USBHDD001 was supposed to be the mount point, but 80 Gigger wound up being the auto mount point
[20:29] <ant_thomas> Because pi owns it. Since root owns USBHDD001 you have to be root or use sudo to modify
[20:29] <allanonmage> but I'm logged in as pi
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[20:29] <ant_thomas> I assume automount uses the drive label you set (in windows?)
[20:30] <allanonmage> and I'm trying to modify/write to 80 Gigger
[20:30] <allanonmage> yes
[20:30] <allanonmage> and I can make a directory without sudo int he terminal fine
[20:30] <allanonmage> just not int he GUI
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[20:32] <allanonmage> seems that I can't create folders in other places in teh system: home, pi, desktop. DO I need to start up File Manager a certain way? does using it through x11vnc change anything?
[20:33] <ant_thomas> definitely logged in as the pi user?
[20:33] <allanonmage> yes
[20:33] <ant_thomas> and definitely don't need to use sudo in the terminal to do things in 80 gigger?
[20:33] <allanonmage> yes
[20:34] <allanonmage> i can make and remove a directory on 80 gigger
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[21:11] <Broly> https://www.dropbox.com/s/zu147cl60i2nkbv/k41-Image_zImage_DTB_2b.zip?dl=0 updated zImage/Image+dtb for 2b (kernel 4.1). hopefully someone puts this to good use. kind of mad i have ubuntu mate and it's god damn modules are cockblocking. (i had to update this upload from yesterday as i forgot to enable the dwc USB drivers)
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[21:27] <SnakesAndStuff> Howdy
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[21:36] <abnormal> hoot
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[21:41] <abnormal> toot
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[21:51] <faLUCE> hello. I have mounted an external usb fat 32 drive. I can access it trhough terminal (ls) but if I type "df -h" when it is mounted, the command hangs. why?
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[21:52] <H__> df -h walks all mounted devices. some other may have issues. Try a fd -h /mountpoint to pinpoint it
[21:53] <H__> df -h /mountpoint i meant
[21:53] <H__> also check syslog
[21:54] <faLUCE> H__: the problem is in the mounted device. If I don't mount it I can use df -h without problems
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[22:12] <faLUCE> I figured that the problem is in the corrupted FAT32 usb memory. Unfortunately, if I do fsck -r on it it says: fsck "malloc:Cannot allocate memory". I googled and it seems a bug. Is there an alternative for fsck on fat32 drives?
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[22:33] <GentileBen> JK-47: what cool certificates should I look at this year?
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[22:34] <GentileBen> I'm seriously considering CISSP again.
[22:34] <JK-47> cissp is about as effective as you are ;)
[22:34] <JK-47> lol
[22:34] <GentileBen> Damn.
[22:34] <GentileBen> You know me too well.
[22:34] <mdoge> INF0RM4TI1ON SEC00RITY H3H3
[22:34] <GentileBen> TBH I'm not that keen on doing more technical certs this year. I want to do the Lean Six Sigma Yellow Belt but that's $$$$$.
[22:35] <mdoge> r33lh3kk3rs d0nt n33d C1$$P 0NLY T3H 31337 H4KS
[22:35] <JK-47> such a pointless cert
[22:35] <GentileBen> With spelling like that, no wonder you're unemployed, mdoge.
[22:35] <GentileBen> JK-47: in terms of market value?
[22:35] <JK-47> but it meets a certain govt requirement
[22:35] <mdoge> GentileBen: am I?
[22:35] <GentileBen> Put aside any practical use.
[22:35] <mdoge> ;-)
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[22:36] <GentileBen> I want certs which will make me richer, not smarter.
[22:36] <mdoge> hahahaha
[22:36] <GentileBen> JK-47, I'm not going to work for the US government.
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[22:37] <GentileBen> Which certs are you doing this year?
[22:37] <JK-47> just keeping up with renewals and studying more for ccie dc
[22:38] <JK-47> maybe vcix.
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[22:38] <JK-47> im maxxed out on what i need
[22:38] <mdoge> GentileBen: perhaps you should get your shoelacing diploma first before trying the more advanced ones
[22:39] <GentileBen> Ah yes, I was going to start on VCAP-DCD but saw they were being revised.
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[22:39] <GentileBen> It's annoying how you need to do the implementation exam before the design one...oh well.
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[23:40] <pnwise> Anyone have experience running Pi 24/7 with 3.5 external HDD?
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[23:46] <ShorTie> i did for a little bit, why ??
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[23:54] <Vrooom> hi can you tell raspberrypi to boot up from usb ?>
[23:54] <JK-47> no
[23:54] <ShorTie> in away
[23:54] <JK-47> you need the kernel at least on sd always
[23:55] <JK-47> but you can put everything else on sd
[23:55] <Vrooom> ah.
[23:55] <Vrooom> i only have 1 sd card.
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[23:55] <Vrooom> hence my question.
[23:55] <ShorTie> root can be on usb, but ya, /boot must be on a fat partition of the sdcard
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