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IRC Log for 2015-07-16

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[2:44] <CoJaBo> ..is there an explanation of the partitions on the NOOBS cards?
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[2:46] <shiftplusone> yes... sec.
[2:47] <shiftplusone> CoJaBo: https://github.com/raspberrypi/noobs/wiki/NOOBS-partitioning-explained
[2:48] <tjcarter> nils_2: FWIW, weechat 1.2.0 works fine with tmux in wheezy
[2:49] <tjcarter> nils_2: so thanks again for taking care of those packages :)
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[3:08] <HanSooloo> 'reboot' doesn't reboot in recovery console of NOOBS .. any thoughts what could be causing that?
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[3:08] <HanSooloo> if do the 'echo X > /proc yy' magic, I can get the system to reboot
[3:09] <HanSooloo> .. but now with the built-in reboot command
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[3:09] <shiftplusone> HanSooloo: sounds like something to open an issue about.
[3:10] <HanSooloo> there are other weirdnesses in recovery console as well (need to open issues) ... e.g., I cannot 'modprobe foo' .. where it complains that I don't have a '/proc/modules' directory
[3:11] <HanSooloo> wondering if the BusyBox config is interfering with the Kernel
[3:11] <HanSooloo> it seems like in recovery, BusyBox is providing 'reboot' and 'modprobe' .. not a separate package.
[3:11] <shiftplusone> yeah, that's what I would expect
[3:12] <shiftplusone> how would it interfere with the kernel though?
[3:12] <HanSooloo> why would 'modprobe' fail though?
[3:12] <HanSooloo> or even lsmod
[3:12] <shiftplusone> is there an error? something in dmesg?
[3:12] <shiftplusone> are you passing parameters?
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[3:14] <HanSooloo> # lsmod
[3:14] <HanSooloo> lsmod: /proc/modules: No such file or directory
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[3:15] <shiftplusone> ah
[3:15] <shiftplusone> wonder if the kernel is compiled without CONFIG_MODULE
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[3:16] <HanSooloo> yes .. that IS the problem ... weird one .. here it goes:
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[3:16] <HanSooloo> the kernelrecovery-config.armv{6,7} files DO NOT have CONIG_MODULE set
[3:17] <HanSooloo> however, when I do 'make linux-menuconfig' AND load up those config files
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[3:17] <HanSooloo> it shows Loadable Module to be SET
[3:17] <Berg> whats the sound card in pi 2?
[3:17] <shiftplusone> well.... problem solved then.
[3:17] <shiftplusone> Berg: sound card!? XD
[3:17] <Berg> yes
[3:17] <HanSooloo> BUT ... it shows that loadable module support is coming from 'init/Kconfig' file
[3:17] <Berg> what does it use to make sound?
[3:17] <shiftplusone> that's adorable.... it's PWM and a filter. =P
[3:18] <[Saint]> Heh. :)
[3:18] <HanSooloo> the menu shows it's enabled .. however the kernel that gets built doesn't have CONFIG_MODULE in its /proc/config.gz
[3:18] <shiftplusone> For analog anyway. HDMI is... magic that doesn't need a card.... I don't actually know the details there.
[3:19] <shiftplusone> HanSooloo: I don't know if the guy who build NOOBS uses buildroot to generate the kernel as well.
[3:19] <HanSooloo> it does ... ./BUILDME.sh shows that it does
[3:19] <shiftplusone> ah okay
[3:19] <HanSooloo> select_kernelconfig armv7
[3:19] <HanSooloo> make linux-reconfigure
[3:19] <HanSooloo> # copy ARMv7 kernel
[3:19] <HanSooloo> cp "$IMAGES_DIR/zImage" "$FINAL_OUTPUT_DIR/recovery7.img"
[3:19] <shiftplusone> does it run something like make brcmrpi_cutdown_defconfig or anything?
[3:19] <HanSooloo> snip from BUILDME.sh
[3:20] <shiftplusone> sec... I'll just take a look myself
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[3:21] <HanSooloo> "select_kernelconfig armv7" this function calls essentially sets BR2_LINUX_KERNEL_CUSTOM_CONFIG_FILE to "kernelrecovery-config.armv7" in ".config"
[3:21] <HanSooloo> using a 'sed'
[3:21] <Berg> i like magic sound
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[3:25] <shiftplusone> HanSooloo: where does kernelrecovery-config.armvX live?
[3:26] <HanSooloo> $NOOBS_ROOT/buildroot/
[3:26] <shiftplusone> derp
[3:26] <shiftplusone> checked every other subdirectory
[3:26] <shiftplusone> thanks
[3:26] <HanSooloo> :-)
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[3:26] <HanSooloo> my bad ...
[3:26] <HanSooloo> kernelconfig-recovery.armv7
[3:26] <HanSooloo> brain = mush!
[3:27] <shiftplusone> I knew what you meant
[3:27] <shiftplusone> so.... what's the problem... that all makes sense.
[3:28] <shiftplusone> it's providing it's own .defconfig which doesn't have CONFIG_MODULES enabled, so whatever is in menuconfig doesn't matter too much
[3:30] <HanSooloo> I guess, ignore what I see in menuconfig? and override by editing the kernelconfig-recovery.armv7 file directly?
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[3:31] <shiftplusone> use the actual kernel's menuconfig to modify the .config, then run make savedefconfig
[3:31] <shiftplusone> and repeat for both arches and same the file it spits out (I think it's called defconfig) to the appropriate file.
[3:32] <shiftplusone> *save
[3:32] <[Saint]> right - that's so it can't be modified externally, among other reasons, no?
[3:32] <HanSooloo> "use the actual kernel's menuconfig to modify the .config" ??
[3:32] <HanSooloo> how do I do that in buildroot?
[3:32] <[Saint]> though if you access is that low it's likely game over anyway
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[3:33] <[Saint]> s/you/your/
[3:33] <shiftplusone> [Saint]: hmm?
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[3:33] <[Saint]> does savedefconfig not do checksumming?
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[3:33] <[Saint]> I had an idea it is but may well be mistaken.
[3:34] <[Saint]> *it did - gah, words
[3:34] <shiftplusone> I thought all it does is strip out the non-default and implied options so you get a much smaller .config
[3:34] <[Saint]> hmmm.
[3:35] <HanSooloo> here's my confusion:
[3:35] <HanSooloo> if loaded file is missing an option
[3:35] <HanSooloo> and another Kconfig in the buildtree, e.g., linux/init/Kconfig has the option set
[3:35] <HanSooloo> which one takes precedence?
[3:35] <HanSooloo> if I go by what I see in the menuconfig tool, it looks enabled ...
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[3:38] <shiftplusone> not sure what you mean. Kconfig files just specify what the options are and how they relate to each other. What's actually used is whatever is in the .config file you provide.
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[3:39] <HanSooloo> Then, this is what I don't get ... I do 'make linux-menuconfig KCONFIG_CONFIG=kernelconfig-recovery.armv7'
[3:40] <HanSooloo> in the menuconfig .. I see [*] Enable loadable module support'
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[3:40] <HanSooloo> but, when I save it, no CONFIG_MODULE
[3:40] <shiftplusone> ah okay. I don't know what buildroot actually does with linux-menuconfig
[3:41] <shiftplusone> have you tried searching for a file named .config that it may spit out? 'find ./ -name .config'
[3:41] <HanSooloo> there is a linux-savedconfig target .. maybe I should try that
[3:42] <HanSooloo> linux-savedefconfig
[3:42] <shiftplusone> if you know where it spits it out
[3:43] <HanSooloo> "output/build/linux-b630db9dcb5c73367050a672823047b0466b16b9/"
[3:43] <shiftplusone> But yeah, that's handy... I would've ended up checking out the linux tree from github or finding where buildroot saves it, copying the config across and doing all that unnecessary stuff.
[3:44] <HanSooloo> so, "output/build/linux-b630db9dcb5c73367050a672823047b0466b16b9/defconfig" has CONFIG_MODULE set
[3:44] <HanSooloo> after ' make linux-savedefconfig'
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[3:44] <HanSooloo> let's see if the 'make' will work
[3:44] <Peppi> hello
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[3:45] <Peppi> I have a 2gb mem card can I get Raspbian on it?
[3:46] <[Saint]> The minimal image perhaps.
[3:46] <shiftplusone> https://github.com/debian-pi/raspbian-ua-netinst https://github.com/ShorTie8/my_pi_os http://nightly.raspberrypi.org/nightlyimages-v2/20150713-raspbian-wheezy-1/20150713-raspbian-wheezy-1.zip
[3:47] <shiftplusone> actually, I don't know the size of the minimal image, I think it's alrger than 2GB
[3:47] <shiftplusone> even if it's mostly empty space
[3:47] <[Saint]> "here's one I prepared earlier"
[3:47] <Peppi> hmmm
[3:47] <Peppi> so that a no then?
[3:47] <[Saint]> Arch would probably be the go here - but I'm hugely biased there.
[3:47] <shiftplusone> in fact, I am certain it won't work. You'll want to use the netinstall or my_pi)os
[3:47] <shiftplusone> or yes, Arch
[3:48] <shiftplusone> so yeah... options... lots of options
[3:48] <Peppi> netinstall?
[3:48] <[Saint]> first supplied link
[3:49] <HanSooloo> the other thing I cannot reconcile is that NOOBS' BusyBox config has 'loadable module support' ... which does nothing in rescueshell .. wonder if that's because kernel lacks the loadable module support
[3:49] <shiftplusone> HanSooloo: that would be my conclusion
[3:50] <Peppi> cool I'll try net
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[3:52] <HanSooloo> even better question ... how does one build kernel modules in NOOBS' buildroot environment?
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[3:53] <HanSooloo> (goes to #buildroot to ask his question)
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[3:54] <shiftplusone> out of tree modules?
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[3:56] <HanSooloo> no, the kernel's own modules
[3:56] <HanSooloo> e.g., nfs, wifi, etc.
[3:57] <shiftplusone> I don't get it.... You enable them in the config O_o
[3:57] <shiftplusone> same way you enabled CONFIG_MODULES
[3:57] <HanSooloo> right, they are .. but normally, you need a specific make target for them
[3:57] <HanSooloo> IIRC, make modules
[3:57] <HanSooloo> or something like that
[3:58] <shiftplusone> if you just run make, that will do all the things and buildroot is smart enough to run make modules_install to get them in the right place.
[3:58] <HanSooloo> ok
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[4:01] <HanSooloo> where should I see my .ko files?
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[4:06] <shiftplusone> I don't remember where buildroot puts the files before packaging... but in there /lib/modules/kernel version/...
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[4:07] <HanSooloo> yep, looked there ... no '/lib/modules' in buildroot/output/target
[4:08] <HanSooloo> and that's why no modules exist in the recovery environment
[4:08] <HanSooloo> :(
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[4:09] <shiftplusone> oh =/
[4:09] <HanSooloo> essentially, I am in "debug NOOBS recovery environment build" mode :-/
[4:10] <HanSooloo> or more like, reverse engineer
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[4:10] <shiftplusone> I think I'd be speculating more than helping if I suggested why that might be.
[4:11] <HanSooloo> will open an issue on GitHub
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[4:11] <shiftplusone> yeah, that's all handled by lurch, so he should be able to help you without guesswork
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[4:12] <ozzzy_> [low timbre]you rang?[\low timbre]
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[4:14] <shiftplusone> ozzzy_: hmm?
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[4:17] <shiftplusone> ozzzy_: you're Andrew/lurch? =S
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[4:21] <HanSooloo> allright .. 2 new issues created: https://github.com/raspberrypi/noobs/issues/271 and https://github.com/raspberrypi/noobs/issues/272
[4:23] * shiftplusone just got what ozzzy_ did there
[4:24] <shiftplusone> I was confuddled there for quite some time.
[4:24] <Peppi> shiftplusone: for the netinstall do I just unzip the zip file to the sd card and boot? Or do I have to burn the image?
[4:25] <shiftplusone> Peppi: I believe the Readme provides all the necessary information
[4:26] <Peppi> shiftplusone: there is no readme in the zip
[4:27] <shiftplusone> the readme on github
[4:27] <HanSooloo> THIS: https://github.com/raspberrypi/noobs/pull/243
[4:28] <Peppi> hmm ok... this?:https://github.com/debian-pi/raspbian-ua-netinst/blob/v1.0.7/README.md
[4:28] <HanSooloo> has some interesting pointers
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[4:28] <Peppi> shiftplusone: doing this in windows btw
[4:29] <shiftplusone> Peppi: yup, that will do.
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[4:37] <Peppi> shit it's actually working
[4:40] <[Saint]> Hah. Neil Young finally went full retard.
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[4:41] <shiftplusone> [Saint]: is that the pono guy?
[4:42] <[Saint]> It is.
[4:42] <shiftplusone> Well... that's a given then, isn't it?
[4:42] <[Saint]> He's pulled all his music from streaming services.
[4:42] <[Saint]> His audio is too good to stream.
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[4:43] <HanSooloo> lurch: https://github.com/raspberrypi/noobs/pull/243#issuecomment-77264190
[4:43] <shiftplusone> yeah, saw that
[4:44] <HanSooloo> and 'make' is making the modules now .. :-)
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[4:44] <shiftplusone> hurray
[4:44] <HanSooloo> arrgghh ... "ERROR: "wireless_send_event" [drivers/net/wireless/rtl8192cu/8192cu.ko] undefined!"
[4:45] <HanSooloo> WTF?
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[4:46] <shiftplusone> mind the language a bit (family friendly channel and all that). Find where that function is defined and make sure the relevant kconfig option is enabled.
[4:46] <HanSooloo> np -> language :)
[4:46] <shiftplusone> cheers
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[4:49] <ozzzy_> shiftplusone, no... just an adams family joke
[4:49] <shiftplusone> ozzzy_: yes, I got the reference, just too late.
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[4:50] <shiftplusone> [Saint]: I don't see why you'd be surprised. He's not the first person to pull a "Hey, we're launching a streaming service. In unrelated news, for totally non-adhoc reasons, I'm pulling my music from other services"
[4:50] <shiftplusone> or is he pulling it from pono as well?
[4:50] <[Saint]> well - pono isn't streaming per se.
[4:51] <shiftplusone> downloady thing?
[4:51] * [Saint] nods
[4:51] <shiftplusone> still, the conflict of interest seems somewhat apparent.
[4:52] <[Saint]> indeed so.
[4:52] <shiftplusone> and that ponoplayer thing... god.
[4:52] <shiftplusone> Got rockbox on it yet? =P
[4:53] <shiftplusone> oh... seems like the answer is "yes, the android version"
[4:53] <[Saint]> somewhat hilariously, yes - kindof.
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[5:02] <HanSooloo> had to go to 'buildroot' directory, 'make menuconfit' and add card firmware from Target packages --> Hardware handling ---> Firmware ---> Linux firmware ---> WiFi firmware
[5:02] <HanSooloo> phew!
[5:03] <shiftplusone> Agh.... ebay sellers. "Hello, I received the thing but it didn't come with the dongle it should come with." "It doesn't come with a dongle, it's comes with the thing, the manual and the usb receiver." "Yes, I'm talking about the usb receiver, it's missing" "The usb receiver comes in the box" "It's not in the box" "when you open the box, you will find it there" "Before sending the initial message, I've opened the box, it's not there"
[5:04] <shiftplusone> awaiting the next reply >_<
[5:04] <[Saint]> "what's in the box? c'mon...what's in the box?"
[5:05] <[Saint]> <what's in the box intensifies>
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[5:06] <HanSooloo> "The Answer is 42"!
[5:06] <shiftplusone> Why is everyone making references to things today!?
[5:07] <HanSooloo> :-)
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[5:07] <[Saint]> Who hasn't seen SE7EN?
[5:07] * shiftplusone raises hand
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[5:07] <[Saint]> yeeesh.
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[5:08] <Peppi> on the net install does ll not work to list the directory?
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[5:08] <shiftplusone> ll is not in debian, it's ls
[5:08] <Peppi> even ls doesn't work :/
[5:08] <shiftplusone> on my mint box, ll is an alias for ls -al
[5:09] <shiftplusone> Peppi: that's after it has installed and rebooted into raspbian?
[5:09] <Peppi> ya sorry used to that from my solaris days
[5:09] <Peppi> shiftplusone: yes
[5:09] <shiftplusone> what does it say?
[5:10] <Peppi> root@pi:~#
[5:10] <Peppi> I logged in
[5:10] <Peppi> apt-get is working
[5:10] <shiftplusone> does it actually give an error?
[5:10] <Peppi> I'm trying to and add bcm2708-rng to /etc/modules to auto-load and use the kernel module for the hardware random number generator
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[5:10] <shiftplusone> if the directory is empty ls won't tell you anything interesting.
[5:11] <Peppi> oooh
[5:11] <Peppi> sec
[5:11] <Peppi> lol I'm a moron
[5:11] <Peppi> my bad
[5:11] <shiftplusone> I wasn't going to say anything
[5:12] <Peppi> :P
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[5:14] <Peppi> how do I copy bcm2708-rng to /etc/modules
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[5:15] <shiftplusone> Peppi: you just insert that as a new line in that file
[5:15] <Peppi> hmmm?
[5:16] <Peppi> what file?
[5:16] <shiftplusone> echo bcm2708-rng >> /etc/modules
[5:18] <Peppi> ooohh modules is not a directory
[5:18] <Peppi> got it
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[5:19] <Peppi> so echo bcm2708-rng just writes that to the file right?
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[5:19] <shiftplusone> echo just writes it to stdout (the screen), >> redirects it to that file.
[5:19] <Peppi> ya
[5:20] <shiftplusone> seems like you need a bit of a refresher
[5:20] <Peppi> got that part
[5:20] <Peppi> lol no shit
[5:20] <shiftplusone> ah okay
[5:20] <Peppi> lol didn't know modules was a file. Thought it was a directory so nothing made sense
[5:20] <shiftplusone> hmm... this reddit mess is fun to watch from a distance.
[5:21] <Peppi> lol what's going on now?
[5:21] <Peppi> pao is gone... now they want her boss?
[5:21] <HanSooloo> ohanian?
[5:21] <Peppi> no clue
[5:22] <shiftplusone> One of the original guys who is now the CEO again says "Neither Alexis nor I created reddit to be a bastion of free speech, but rather as a place where open and honest discussion can happen" and wants to 'discuss' new policies
[5:22] <shiftplusone> then someone digs up the other cofounder literally saying it's a bastion of free speech, in those words and 100s of quotes indicating that was exactly the idea.
[5:23] <HanSooloo> checked voat.co instead
[5:23] <HanSooloo> seems like reddit-
[5:23] <HanSooloo> reddit-2
[5:23] <Peppi> yup
[5:23] <Peppi> how old is apt-get?
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[5:24] <shiftplusone> google says 16, but of course it has changed since then... why?
[5:24] <Peppi> rasbian is debian right?
[5:24] <Peppi> a friend of mine made something for them... not sure if it was apt-get
[5:24] <shiftplusone> raspbian is debian recompiled for better performance on the pi 1
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[5:25] <Peppi> k ya... wrote something for catching dependencies when you install new packages
[5:26] <Peppi> was leading edge back in the day apparently
[5:26] * shiftplusone shrugs
[5:26] <shiftplusone> I'm a relative newcomer to it all
[5:26] <Peppi> I'm a nocomer :P
[5:26] <Peppi> lol
[5:27] <Peppi> think I have node installed....
[5:27] <Peppi> how I have to figure out how to download from git
[5:28] <shiftplusone> I've been a linux user for a long time, but never worked on the kernel or packaging. Until work casually asked me to write a linux driver and other stuff I was clueless about. Lots of reading and googling later.... I get some of it.
[5:28] <Peppi> ic ic
[5:29] <shiftplusone> what do you need to download?
[5:30] <Peppi> ohhh just my stuff. A node app
[5:31] <shiftplusone> if you don't need to use git to do git things, there's a download button on the right
[5:31] <Peppi> need to do it via the pi
[5:31] <NedScott> banana phone
[5:34] <shiftplusone> O_o
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[5:42] <shiftplusone> Anyway... time to go home and play some rocket league. 'night
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[5:42] <Peppi> lol
[5:42] <Peppi> thanks man
[5:42] <Peppi> for the help
[5:42] <shiftplusone> np
[5:42] <Peppi> what is rocket league?
[5:42] <Peppi> heard some streamers talking about it
[5:44] <shiftplusone> it's like soccer, but fun.
[5:44] <ritual> haha
[5:44] <ritual> and with cars
[5:44] <Peppi> lol ok
[5:44] <Peppi> cool I'll have to check it out
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[5:46] <Peppi> shit have to get some files form bitbucket
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[5:47] <Peppi> lol sorry
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[5:51] <SirLagz> damn, compiling some stuff for ARMv4 on my Pi doesn't work :(
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[6:09] <Peppi> hmmm
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[6:10] <Peppi> trying to get my node app working... but node appname does nothing :/
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[6:32] <blurider> I'd like to use the UART on the Pi to access the serial console in my router. Can I just use F->M jumper cables for the GPIO?
[6:33] <[Saint]> yup
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[7:27] <nils_2> tjcarter: you're welcome
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[7:55] <NedScott> I'm trying to understand this: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2340692/GBAPi/power_switch.png
[7:55] <NedScott> what does it mean for the resister that says 24k 9f?
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[7:55] <NedScott> is that some notation for something else and I can just use a 24k resistor ?
[7:55] <NedScott> hmmm
[7:56] <NedScott> so many the-things I don't understands
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[8:27] <Peppi> anyone up?
[8:28] <Peppi> how long does it take to install node on a pi?
[8:28] <Peppi> been doing nvm install node and it's over 40 minutes
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[8:37] <NedScott> Pi 1 or Pi 2?
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[9:19] <tjcarter> NedScott: you sure it's a resistor?
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[9:19] <NedScott> that's what the symbol means
[9:19] <NedScott> right?
[9:19] <NedScott> zigzags like that
[9:20] <tjcarter> "29k 9f" doesn't make sense.
[9:20] <NedScott> I know
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[9:20] <tjcarter> have you got a link to what you're looking at?
[9:21] <NedScott> it's how they suggest connecting a power switch to an ODROID-W (Pi clone using the same broadcom SoC)
[9:21] <NedScott> http://dn.odroid.com/homebackup/201407281848563508.jpg
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[9:21] <NedScott> you can see it line up with the pins on the left where it says "bottom"
[9:22] <NedScott> next to the top mounting hole
[9:22] <NedScott> http://forum.odroid.com/viewtopic.php?f=104&t=6192
[9:22] * NedScott scratches his head
[9:22] <ShorTie> ok, nuff NedScott
[9:23] <NedScott> ShorTie: eh?
[9:23] <ShorTie> take it else where
[9:23] <NedScott> uh, no
[9:23] <NedScott> how about you go fuck yourself, okay?
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[9:24] <[Saint]> Uuuugh - why do people do that?
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[9:24] <NedScott> oh, that's smart
[9:25] <[Saint]> EVen if it is auto-join-on-kick (which is equally stupid) kicking == "we don't want you here, at least not now"
[9:25] <tjcarter> um, that's the wrong ban
[9:25] <tjcarter> You just banned chanserv :)
[9:25] <NedScott> [Saint]: I've been coming here for a year
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[9:25] * NedScott was kicked from #raspberrypi by ShorTie
[9:25] <[Saint]> The length of time anyone's been here matters not.
[9:25] <[Saint]> Piss off the bull, get the horns.
[9:26] * ShorTie sets mode -b *!*@services.
[9:26] <[Saint]> Turned a simple kick into a ban. Well done, old chap.
[9:26] <[Saint]> Now he'll go sing songs to his people about how much of a fascist you are.
[9:26] <tjcarter> Your standard rights on IRC: You have the right not to be an ass. If you give up that right, everything you say and do will be used against you. If you cannot afford to stop being an ass, someone will be appointed to kick yours. :)
[9:27] <[Saint]> Indeed
[9:27] <[Saint]> The idea that people think IRC is a public space amuses me no end
[9:27] <[Saint]> "but but but...Internet, freedom - mang"
[9:28] <tjcarter> FWIW, I don't personally see any problem with his question or the answer, but when he was told to take it elsewhere since it's not a Pi thing he's looking at, that should've been that.
[9:28] * [Saint] too
[9:28] <[Saint]> I don't think it was handled gracefully, by either party
[9:28] <[Saint]> but...hey
[9:29] <ShorTie> sorry, still hafe a sleep
[9:29] <tjcarter> I'd been a chanop enough not to second guess them too much :)
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[9:30] <[Saint]> FWIW I think NedScot is right to petition this, the way that was handled was frankly _terrible_, and jumpy IRCops are A Bad Thing(TM), but he was asked...
[9:31] <[Saint]> The validity of him being asked to take it elsewhere is up in the air, but, it was asked...
[9:31] <[Saint]> Ned has a good case and whoever's handing out ops here so freely needs to reign their ops in.
[9:31] <[Saint]> Just sayin'.
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[9:31] <tjcarter> If I were making the call, he'd have lost the petition the moment he told the ShorTie to f off.
[9:32] <[Saint]> Well..yes.
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[9:33] <[Saint]> Also - no.
[9:33] <[Saint]> AFAIK the policy is to warn on language violation.
[9:34] <tjcarter> For anyone ELSE looking at that diagram and wondering what it is, it's a board diagram, not a schematic, so it's not going to make a whole lot of sense to read it as one. The BEST way to connect your Pi to a power switch is to put a switch on the micro-USB power connector.
[9:35] <tjcarter> Alternatively I think all versions of the Pi can be powered by 5v supply on the GPIO connector, but someone more familiar with the Pi hardware would have to say for sure.
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[9:38] <tjcarter> adafruit has the perfect thingy: http://www.adafruit.com/products/2379
[9:39] <tjcarter> (If you're interested in electronics tinkering, adafruit has a LOT of the perfect thingys)
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[9:44] * nid0 currently has a https://www.pi-supply.com/product/pi-supply-raspberry-pi-power-switch/ on the way to answer all my power supply prayers
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[9:48] <tjcarter> unless the thing can intelligently poweroff like an ATX supply, I don't see the value of that over a SPST switch
[9:49] <tjcarter> if it knows that the pi is going to halt or poweroff (but not reboot) and does it all at the right time, that's really sweet.
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[9:53] <tjcarter> Actually the Pi product I want to love is the FUZE
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[10:02] <tjcarter> I disagree with the assessment that FUZE's use of basic is a step backward, though I'd encourage them to bring their basic environment forward into this century a bit with syntax highlighting, etc. In fact if there were a stable common VM on the Pi (Python ain't it!), I'd have the basic interpreter produce bytecode for it.
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[10:07] <torbit> Hi folks
[10:07] <torbit> I am having a problem with smsc 9514 chip
[10:08] <torbit> comes up but then the OS sends it down claiming that it is going down because it is managed
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[10:08] <torbit> I am seeing the same thing on ubuntu also.
[10:08] <torbit> Does anyone know why this would be the case ?
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[10:09] <torbit> according to this : https://github.com/raspberrypi/firmware/issues/268
[10:09] <torbit> it should be wrking
[10:09] <torbit> due to an update
[10:09] <torbit> but I think it might not be up
[10:09] <tjcarter> that one's beyond me, but there'll doubtless be some hardware guy around at some point that can tell you :)
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[12:28] <rightshift> Hi,
[12:28] <rightshift> Is there a similar open source project I can use with a PI to achieve something similar to this: http://www.evoko.se/products/evoko-room-manager/
[12:28] <rightshift> Any idea's welcomed. Thanks ;)
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[13:28] <day> patent pending. haha
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[14:21] <helpme8> Can raspberry pi be used as a commercial product? Has this been done before? Any such products out there today?
[14:21] <ShorTie> ya
[14:22] <ShorTie> might be some rules to follow, that i'm not sure of, but ya peeps use them in comercial enviroments
[14:23] <helpme8> ShorTie: need to pay royalty?
[14:23] <helpme8> some licensing fees?
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[14:25] <ShorTie> sorry, not really sure
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[14:32] <helpme8> no problem.
[14:32] <helpme8> If Rpi is used as LAMP web server, how many users can it serve at the same time? Anyone tried before?
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[14:34] <nid0> there are about eleventy billion different factors involved in determining that
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[14:34] <TheLostAdmin> anywhere from less than one to around 65000 depending on content and skill of the programmer.
[14:34] <pmo> a lot but not for the public (loads of users)
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[14:35] <pmo> i would do LEMP instead of LAMP tho
[14:35] <ShorTie> rpi's don't make good servers for lots of traffic
[14:35] <nid0> certainly with a pi 2, you can actually get some fairly decent throughput from it, especially if you cluster them. a real shame the nic is still just slung off usb really, if it had a proper embedded nic the pi2 would make a fine webserver
[14:36] <pmo> my rpi2 handles it fine (we are 10 users)
[14:37] <TheLostAdmin> What's the E? Emacs?
[14:37] <nid0> nginx
[14:37] <pmo> https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=31502&p=272471
[14:37] <TheLostAdmin> there's no E in nginx
[14:37] <nid0> e for pronounciation and because lnmp isnt very readable
[14:37] <nid0> yeah but its pronounced engine-x
[14:38] <TheLostAdmin> I would put the M on a different server. Something with a proper disk controller. Anything requiring a database will need better throughput on the disk.
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[14:39] <TheLostAdmin> And, ya, Nginx is probably a better choice for the Pi.
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[16:08] <heller_> anyone have comments about taking 10mA per pin from 4 GPIO pins?
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[16:10] <heller_> tjcarter & nid0, i have better&cheaper solution for raspberry pi shutdown/reboot button.
[16:10] <heller_> all you need is one pushbutton and my simple code to reboot or shutdown
[16:14] <nid0> how does your code power the pi off?
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[16:32] <Meowser> I got a raspberry pi 2 and I want to make it a multi purpose machine. Is it possible to have a media center, emulators, and server apps running?
[16:33] <ppq> yes
[16:33] <Meowser> what is the name of that tool?
[16:33] <nid0> what tool?
[16:34] <Meowser> whatever it is that would allow me to do that
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[16:34] <nid0> there is no "tool" to do it, you just install and run whatever software you want on it
[16:34] <Meowser> oh
[16:36] <xamindar> lol
[16:36] <xamindar> the "tool" would probably be Linux. Then you just load up software that does what you want.
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[16:37] <Meowser> so instead of booting into for example retropie it would boot to the linux commandline/os and then id run the command to start retropie?
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[17:18] <[Saint]> Meowser: since it was left hanging there for no obvious reason...yes.
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[17:19] <[Saint]> If you like, you could boot to a shell that presented a cute little ncurses UI to present these options for you and run them at <keypress> etc.
[17:19] <[Saint]> such a thing is deliciously simple and an awesome learningexperience.
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[17:29] <Meowser> [Saint]: ok ill look into ncurses UI
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[17:30] <Meowser> thanks
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[18:52] <Meowser> anyone know if windows 10 iot supports docker?
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[18:57] <heller_> nid0: its based on time
[18:57] <heller_> if you press the button for <2s it reboots. longer than that = shutdown
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[18:57] <nid0> you miss my point. you press the button, the script executes a shutdown. Great. but the pi is still powered on.
[18:57] <heller_> aa, you mean totally power it down?
[18:57] <nid0> yeah
[18:57] <heller_> may i ask why?
[18:58] <nid0> thats pretty much the whole purpose of the pi supply I linked to and is requirement 1 for the reason I need it
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[18:58] <heller_> what is the reason :)
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[18:58] <nid0> because I need a battery powered pi that's powered on when a button is pressed, does something for a few minutes, then shuts down *and powers off totally* ready for the next time it's powered on via a button press
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[19:00] <heller_> hwo keen are you doing it yourself?
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[19:00] <nid0> ?
[19:00] <heller_> you could do it easily by adding a small relay
[19:00] <heller_> and a button ofc
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[19:01] <nid0> I dont think its quite as simplistic as you think it is
[19:02] <heller_> i think you think its more complicated :)
[19:03] <heller_> may i ask why are you using raspberry pi and not for example arduino?
[19:03] <Meowser> relay seems simple enough
[19:04] <heller_> well its not all thats needed
[19:05] <heller_> actually the hardest part is to shut it down after the shutdown
[19:06] <heller_> how much does raspberry pi take current when idlding after shutdown?
[19:07] <Encrypt> <heller_> aa, you mean totally power it down? // I have a project which is almost finished which goal is to do that.
[19:08] <Encrypt> Its first aim is to prevent power outages
[19:08] <Encrypt> But doing electronics is a real pain
[19:08] <Encrypt> One year has gone by, I'm still looking for a reflow oven
[19:09] <Encrypt> Because... Linear Technology does only super small chips... (T.T)
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[19:10] <tawr> heller_: not much
[19:11] <tawr> heller_: what ever the q-current is for the power management ic, i would think
[19:11] <tawr> a handful of microamps
[19:11] <heller_> do you _really_ have to totally power if off?
[19:11] <heller_> nid0 or Meowser
[19:11] <nid0> yes
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[19:14] <Tenkawa> hi all
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[19:15] <heller_> hi you
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[20:24] <molgrum> if i want to run owncloud on my Pi with an external USB HDD, is it best to reformat it to ext4 or leave it as ntfs?
[20:25] <ppq> yes, use ext4
[20:25] <ppq> ntfs generates lots of unnecessary load
[20:25] <ppq> the driver, that is
[20:25] <molgrum> okay, thx
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[20:34] <joker_89> hi
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[20:34] <joker_89> can raspberrypi be used as a file server for a mini company?
[20:34] <joker_89> or is better a microserver like HP ones.
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[20:37] <bedah> i recommend a small board with some SATA ports
[20:37] <nid0> it "can" but it's not great for the purpose in any way
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[20:37] <nid0> even if you don't want redundancy, hooking up an external disk over usb isn't going to give great performance
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[20:38] <joker_89> yeah..
[20:38] <joker_89> but for example if i want to mount a asterisk VOIP server
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[20:38] <joker_89> rasperrry can be a good option for that?
[20:38] <morgan64> two questions. rpi audio, is it powering the speakers as well? can rpi power down usb ports?
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[20:41] <thiagomarinho> Hello guys, I am trying to connect my arduino to my Pi by USB cable. But for some reason the Pi is not recognizing the arduino. Any tips on how to investigate the reason?
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[20:41] <thiagomarinho> the Pi is connected on a 2 amps outlet
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[20:43] <heller_> thiagomarinho: how are you trying to find it
[20:45] <heller_> morgan64: think the audio output as an output of your mobile phone 3.5mm plug
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[20:46] <BCMM> morgan64: are you asking if the pi's 3.5mm jack powers the speakers?
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[20:47] <BCMM> morgan64: it's just like an iPod or a PC's 3.5mm jack - it provides enough power for headphones, but if you want speakers that are not attached to your head you need powered speakers
[20:47] <BCMM> (e.g. any speakers designed for use with a desktop PC)
[20:47] <heller_> what is the easiest and most resource saving way to make windows recongize rpi with hostname?
[20:47] <heller_> samba is a bit OP
[20:48] <BCMM> morgan64: and the pi can not power down USB ports - they're (basically) just attached to the 5V rail
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[20:48] <heller_> actually it might be ablet o
[20:49] <heller_> but it also powers down ethernet
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[20:49] <morgan64> thanks BCMM
[20:49] <heller_> https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=29&t=93463
[20:50] <BCMM> heller_: power down the USB controller, or disconnect the +5V pin on the sockets?
[20:51] <BCMM> heller_: ok i did not know about that. question: if i issue that command on a back-powered pi, will it cause a hard power-off? :)
[20:51] <heller_> back-powered pi?
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[20:52] <BCMM> heller_: you can run some Pis by putting power *in* through the USB ports
[20:52] <heller_> oh
[20:52] <BCMM> heller_: most powered USB hubs just connect all the +5 wires together, so they can operated as un-powered hubs too
[20:52] <morgan64> doing whatever that thread suggests will make it impossible (without ssh or something) to access it again (without a reset), since the keyboard will be turned off
[20:53] <BCMM> heller_: and this means they will gladly leak power back to the USB host
[20:53] <heller_> morgan64: ture
[20:53] <heller_> BCMM: oh
[20:53] <BCMM> heller_: some, but not all, types of RPi will run normally like that - connected to a USB hub by the A ports only, nothing in gpio or microusb
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[20:55] <BCMM> heller_: ah sorry, the thread answers my question - what i said was true for the model B (which can be backpowered unless you have a really old one) - no USB switchoff
[20:55] <BCMM> heller_: but the B+, where yo ucan switch off usb in hardware, doesn't boot on back-power
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[21:02] <morgan64> I have a mouse connected to my rpi that's just consuming energy most of the time
[21:03] <morgan64> it's sad that you can't turn it off when needed without plugging it out. But more hardware would make the rpi bigger and more expensive
[21:03] <JK-47> or, a powered usb hub.
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[21:03] <SpeedEvil> you can suspend the USB device in software
[21:03] <SpeedEvil> I forget how
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[21:05] <thiagomarinho> sorry, i had to get away from keyboard
[21:06] <SpeedEvil> 'When keyboards attack'
[21:06] <morgan64> is it okay for the rpi to just lay there collecting dust unprotected while it's on?
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[21:06] <thiagomarinho> Heller, so far I have trie ls /dev/tty*
[21:06] <heller_> what about dmesg?
[21:06] <thiagomarinho> also tried to assign a typical port name when creating a pyserial object
[21:06] <thiagomarinho> both didnt work
[21:07] <thiagomarinho> ttyACM0 i believe. not sure
[21:07] <tawr> morgan64: amazon has a really nice case for around $7-8 bucks
[21:08] <tawr> it's the best case I've come across. it's nicer fit and finish than 20 dollar cases i've also bought
[21:08] <SpeedEvil> morgan64: Fold a bit of paper over it - and it's fine
[21:08] <SpeedEvil> nonconductive dust isn't an issue really though
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[21:10] <thiagomarinho> any suggestions on how to find the arduino serial port? or to find out why i cant see it?
[21:10] <tawr> thiagomarinho: on what os
[21:10] <heller_> thiagomarinho: dmesg|grep /dev/tty
[21:10] <heller_> anything?
[21:11] <tawr> unplug the arduino, plug it back in, dmesg | tail -10
[21:11] <thiagomarinho> rebooting it now to see if it helps, Will try those, let you know after
[21:11] <heller_> -10 or tail -n10
[21:11] <heller_> ?
[21:12] <thiagomarinho> found something here
[21:12] <thiagomarinho> lemme try pyserial now
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[21:12] <thiagomarinho> with ls /dev/tty* i can see it now, maybe it was the reboot!
[21:13] <thiagomarinho> or the dmesg, i dont know what that did, but thank you
[21:13] <tawr> heller_: like i said
[21:14] <thiagomarinho> *loving feelings toward the community*
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[21:21] <morgan64> I can use rpi for the usual stuff: surfing & chatting. What do I need to start my desktop computer for?
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[21:24] <heller_> you dont :)
[21:26] <tawr> speed :D
[21:27] <fydel> it is too slow. even the raspi2. i tried it for a week
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[21:29] <heller_> waiting for raspi3 :)
[21:29] <heller_> i think there should be more revisions
[21:29] <heller_> like rpi A with rj4 and one usb
[21:29] <heller_> rj45
[21:30] <morgan64> is there a list of all the bloat that will be installed with rasparian? weird file printer services (completely random) and god knows what
[21:31] <morgan64> is the arch choice clean and well supported?
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[21:31] <[Saint]> No. ANd, maybe.
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[21:36] <morgan64> hey, rastrack is awesome
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[21:37] <morgan64> I like how some islands only have one user :3.
[21:37] <morgan64> I wonder if some of them are fake
[21:38] <morgan64> Greenland (nobody lives there except researchers) have 2 users
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[21:39] <[Saint]> Yeah, nobody but ~60K researchers in Greenland.
[21:39] <[Saint]> <rolleyes>
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[21:39] <[Saint]> Doin' a whole lotta researchin'
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[21:39] <morgan64> scandinavia and the US has tons of them not surprisingly. Australia and india as well. Not pakistan though, they are busy with religion
[21:39] <[Saint]> They definitely, definitely, definitely don't have permanent support and infrastructure crews there.
[21:40] <[Saint]> And those people definitely don't have families.
[21:40] <[Saint]> nope nope nope.
[21:40] <morgan64> I thought greenland just was a big ice island.
[21:40] <[Saint]> And?
[21:40] <morgan64> just like in the north pole
[21:40] <[Saint]> So's Antarctica.
[21:40] <morgan64> yeah, who lives in Antartica?
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[21:41] <[Saint]> A whole lot of people.
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[21:41] <[Saint]> It's not like it's one of the largest joint permanent research facilities or anything.
[21:42] <morgan64> I thought nobody lived there and only researchers and adventurers went there
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[21:43] <[Saint]> Nah - there's full time support crew there also.
[21:43] <[Saint]> Same situation in a different scale.
[21:43] <morgan64> this is antarctica to me http://www.nathab.com/uploaded-files/carousels/TRIPS/Antarctica-Falklands/Antarctica-Falklands-South-Georgia-6-scenic.jpg
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[21:45] <[Saint]> They have a supermarket (of sorts), and ATM, several bars...etc. ALl staffed by full time residents.
[21:46] <[Saint]> It's not really practical to make a quick trip there, and it takes a lot of people behind the scenes to support those who do go.
[21:47] <thiagomarinho> hey guys, a followup, this may be a more python related question though. When trying to run my code i am passing the serial port name as a string read from a text file. When i try to open the serial port i get an error: No such file or directory: '/dev/ttyACM0\r'/dev/tty/ACM0
[21:47] <thiagomarinho> anyone can give me a hint on whats the mess up there? i suppose it has something to do with the data type i am using
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[21:49] <morgan64> [Saint]: have you been there?
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[21:50] <[Saint]> No - however Christchurch New Zealand is intricately entwined with it. If you fly there, you do it from here.
[21:50] <[Saint]> Home of Operation Deep Freeze
[21:51] <[Saint]> To be perfectly honest I'd be questioning the amount of users listed in central Australia before the icier climates.
[21:51] <[Saint]> That is _far_ more of an oppressive climate.
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[21:54] <morgan64> so the user pi is a sudoer?
[21:54] <[Saint]> it is.
[21:54] <[Saint]> but I highly suggest not using it.
[21:55] <morgan64> Christchurch New Zealand, a city or a church? :3
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[21:55] <fydel> both :p
[21:55] <morgan64> why not use the pi user?
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[21:56] <[Saint]> If the pi touches the net, the user/pass is _well_ knows, and is going to be right up there in priority on any dictionary based attack list.
[21:57] <[Saint]> *s/knows/known/
[21:57] <morgan64> I've changed the passwd though and disabled ssh
[21:57] <[Saint]> Ah. Excellent.
[21:57] <[Saint]> A lot of people aren't that agile.
[21:58] <[Saint]> DIsabling ssh is a bit extreme though.
[21:58] <[Saint]> implementing ssh correctly is infinitely more fun.
[21:59] <molgrum> anyoen knows why my USB HDD LED is flashing slowly after i converted to EXT4? usb-storage is active in top
[21:59] <molgrum> is it just to keep it running?
[21:59] <[Saint]> Just a guess but my gut says the disk access light might be indicating disk access.
[22:00] <[Saint]> More nes at 6.
[22:00] <molgrum> [Saint]: yeah but with NTFS it didn't flash
[22:00] <[Saint]> bah - typing, *more news at 6
[22:00] <molgrum> okay, maybe you're right :)
[22:01] <molgrum> 6 is like in a whole day
[22:01] <molgrum> i can't wait that long
[22:02] <lala> Hello So I've checked the version of git install on Raspbian. It said "git version 1.7.10.4".
[22:03] <lala> It wasn't the latest version so I tried sudo apt-get update and sudo apt-get upgrade and it didn't update anything.
[22:03] <heller_> so anyone done a webpage to control GPIO:s?
[22:03] <[Saint]> Debian using an outdated package?
[22:03] <[Saint]> Say it ain't so!?!
[22:03] <[Saint]> </s>
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[22:24] <pmo> lala raspbian is oldstable (debian wheezy)
[22:25] <pmo> i upgraded my raspbian to jessie.. but that is not recomended, stuff will break :P
[22:25] <pmo> just less important stuff for me
[22:26] <tjcarter> pmo: I have one pi running Raspbian jessie and one I took back to wheezy because jessie just isn't ready for as much tinkering.
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[22:28] <tjcarter> Main issues for going to jessie are the number of things that don't work right with systemd and the fact that 3rd party wheezy packages don't tend to work terribly well. Raspbian could produce a testing image that'd probably help people find/solve these issues.
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[22:31] <tjcarter> Apparently the major holdups for an official image are things like sonic pi and whatnot being not et built for jessie, but I if that's the opinion of the Raspbian team (that those are the only problems), I think they'll find there are others :)
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[22:31] <tjcarter> Nothing MAJOR, just stuff that the average novice isn't gonna know how to fix.
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[22:32] <pmo> tjcarter: that part is fine for me, just need to compile some sources too
[22:33] <pmo> deps errors mostly
[22:33] <tjcarter> (again, I downgraded back to wheezy rather than keep trying to fix the issues in question, and I'm not exactly a novice, just a bit crusty around the edges after using other things for so long)
[22:33] <pmo> but i have a rpi2 so im going to install Debian instead
[22:33] <tjcarter> pmo: raspi-config needs some fixing
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[22:33] <tjcarter> It's kinda too bad raspbian named its architecture armhf
[22:34] <tjcarter> would've been much better to call it arm6hf
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[22:34] <tjcarter> that way there could be parity with armhf on Debian for the Pi2. Hindsight is 20/20
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[22:35] <pmo> yeah
[22:35] <pmo> im going to share the debian image im going to build
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[22:36] <pmo> just a minimal Debian Jessie install
[22:36] <[Saint]> Doesn't the fondational already spin up a minimal jessie image?
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[22:37] <[Saint]> Or does yours differ in some fundamental way?
[22:37] <[Saint]> fondational? errr...ummmm...
[22:37] <[Saint]> *foundation
[22:37] <tjcarter> I didn't see one?
[22:37] <tjcarter> I might've used it if I had.
[22:37] <pmo> [Saint]: dont think so
[22:37] <pmo> there is arch tho
[22:38] * tjcarter is too lazy for arch ;)
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[22:38] <pmo> get a Manjaro image on it ;)
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[22:39] <pmo> its like arch, but with an installer and its stable as packages are held back to be proper tested
[22:39] <pmo> and yeah there is a minimal version without gui bloat ;)
[22:39] <MY123> Windows Embedded Compact 7 on Raspberry Pi Model B(BCM2835)
[22:39] <pmo> hehehe
[22:40] <[Saint]> pmo: tjcarter: google-fu is failing me.
[22:40] <[Saint]> Yell at (hint: don't) shiftplusone for a url
[22:40] <pmo> hehe its all good
[22:40] <[Saint]> It *does* exist...
[22:40] <[Saint]> I just can't find it.
[22:40] <[Saint]> Which is relatively rare.
[22:40] <MY123> pmo, Windows CE is totally incompatible with Windows NT, which is the way to go :-)
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[22:41] <pmo> there are scripts that will install debian on them for for you [Saint]
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[22:41] <[Saint]> I'm aware.
[22:42] <tjcarter> I just wish there was an easier way to nuke NOOBS once you're happy with your OS setup :)
[22:42] <pmo> tjcarter: why not just use one of the images instead?
[22:43] <tjcarter> pmo: Because you likely grabbed the NOOBS image to start, then customized everything just the way you want it...
[22:43] <[Saint]> Nuts to that.
[22:43] <pmo> then you can do a backup, install from image and profit
[22:43] <tjcarter> And then reclaiming 1GB of HD space and speeding up your boot a few seconds becomes useful ...
[22:44] <tjcarter> Ultimately what I did was a shuffle with a 2nd larger SD card.
[22:44] <tjcarter> Card reader on the USB hub
[22:45] <tjcarter> Did it all on the Pi :)
[22:46] <tjcarter> BTW, unzip -p 2015-blahblah.zip 2015-blahblah.img | dd bs=1M of=/dev/sdwhatever is a thing that can be done and works.
[22:47] <tjcarter> I've done that a time or two
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[23:11] <CoJaBo> ..so is there any way to tell why my pi stopped accepting ssh :/
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[23:25] <SpeedEvil> Does it ping?
[23:26] <CoJaBo> Ping works, Kodi loads, but ssh doesn't even appear to be listening
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[23:40] <MY123> http://www.whymicrosoft.com/ :-=
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[23:47] <nerdboy> does anyone have working webkit-gtk build using 2.anything?
[23:49] * nerdboy slowly working has way through patching 2.8.4 to build egl/gles2 without glx/opengl
[23:49] <nerdboy> *his even
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