#raspberrypi IRC Log

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IRC Log for 2015-07-19

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[0:00] <heller_> oh
[0:00] <heller_> seems to work right away
[0:00] <heller_> could it be that wiringpi2 is needed for rpi2
[0:01] <heller_> aaaaan i crashed my rpi
[0:01] <heller_> \o
[0:02] <heller_> setting gpio high worked fine
[0:02] <heller_> setting it low crashd my pi
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[0:06] <heller_> oh really. what now. after my rpi crashed, i cant start apache anymore.
[0:06] <heller_> and i get no logs of the problem
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[0:35] <AirForce590> Is HerdingElectrons a good name for a kit business?
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[0:42] <AirForce590> anyone?
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[0:43] <Roonix> I like it, but there already is a website called HerdingElectrons, is that yours?
[0:44] <Bilby> he already quit haha
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[0:46] <Roonix> oh lol ^_^
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[0:58] <Roonix> Any of your guys got RetroPie wworking on Ubuntu Mate?
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[1:46] <JakeSays> does anyone know if the gertboard can be used with a raspi 2?
[1:48] <Bilby> looks like it's designed for the A / B
[1:48] <Bilby> so GPIO is not pin-compatible with A+/B+/2
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[1:49] <Bilby> you should be able to build a GPIO adapter though since all of the same pins are available
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[2:17] <kookie> you can use something like this and it will work with the Gertboard. ===> http://www.adafruit.com/products/1112
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[3:17] <tjcarter> update-rc.d: warning: default stop runlevel arguments (0 1 6) do not match dbus Default-Stop values (none)
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[3:18] <tjcarter> I wonder if that has something to do with why systemd doesn't work right when you upgrade to jessie?
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[3:47] <tjcarter> I'm back to trying to get bluetooth to work out of necessity--has anyone gotten bluetooth keyboards to work AFTER a reboot?
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[3:48] <tjcarter> Mine is trusted according to bluez, but it doesn't work after reboot unless I press the pairing button and run the command line command to connect to it
[3:48] <tjcarter> (in fact, no bluetooth device connects unless I do that.)
[3:49] <tjcarter> There's lots of mismatched references to dbus, udev, example files that don't exist, NEWS file entry, and PS3 controllers.
[3:49] <CoJaBo> It's probably not saving the pairing data or something..
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[3:50] <tjcarter> None of that seems to be helping. And Raspbian's own blueman and other similar tools basically don't run
[3:50] <tjcarter> Immediate segfault or python trap or whatever.
[3:50] <CoJaBo> May well be related; is there a bugtracer?
[3:50] <CoJaBo> Probably worth reporting it
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[3:51] <tjcarter> I don't know, what I've found for debugging says things work properly
[3:51] <CoJaBo> Make sure you're running all up to date
[3:52] <tjcarter> I am
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[3:54] <tjcarter> Since no GUI tools actually RUN I'm left with CLI tools, which is just as well for me if I could find information about what I should be running
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[4:00] <JakeSays> Bilby: the pi2 isn't pin compatible with the pi1?
[4:01] <tjcarter> JakeSays: "it depends".
[4:01] <tjcarter> JakeSays: the Pi2 is 100% pin compatible with the B+, and the B+ is a B with another 14 pins added. But the B isn't quite 100% compatible with the A
[4:02] <JakeSays> tjcarter: i only have pi1 b's
[4:02] <JakeSays> so in theory the gertboard should work
[4:02] <tjcarter> Also, these were a change somewhere in the B line where a second small header was added next to the 26 pin header...
[4:02] <tjcarter> Basically yes :)
[4:03] <tjcarter> Those 26 pin B accessories do work with the Pi 2
[4:03] <JakeSays> ok cool
[4:03] <JakeSays> now to get get gertboard working with winiot
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[4:08] <hinv> Does the Pi2 do the UHS-1 protocol for high speed microSD I/O?
[4:09] <Xark> hinv: Not to my knowledge.
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[4:10] <Xark> hinv: I suspect they will work, but not in fancy high-speed mode.
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[4:10] * Xark sees typically ~12-16MB/sec on RPi2 uSD (external USB HDD is generally much faster).
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[4:14] <skiwithpete> sup
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[4:31] <kookie> sown
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[5:04] <tjcarter> well I got bluetooth to come up on reboot, but only for my keyboard OR my mouse
[5:04] <tjcarter> not both
[5:05] <tjcarter> and bluetooth speaker I can get to make all kinds of noise as the Pi tries to talk to it, but nothing more than that.
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[5:05] <tjcarter> speaker because I had one laying around, but didn't have a 3.5mm TRS patch cable handy
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[6:13] <Qbrute> Hello all - is anyone able to help with retropie? i've got it running, roms are displaying but i'm getting an error when i'm launching any rom using multiple emulators
[6:14] <Qbrute> error is "/opt/retropie/supplementary/runcommand/runcommand.sh: line 283: <variable numbers based on the ROM> Illegal Instruction"
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[6:18] <Qbrute> line 283 in that file is "eval $command"
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[6:32] <Broly> RAWMS
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[7:35] <tjcarter> Bluetooth fails :(
[7:35] <notafads> anyone work with daloradius ?
[7:35] <notafads> or use a pi as a radius server
[7:36] <tjcarter> That's another good use of a pi in a small network environment :)
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[7:38] <notafads> anyone ever set up a radius server using one of these?
[7:41] <tjcarter> I've rarely used a radius server personally, let alone set one up, but perhaps someone else. You know how irc is--you might get a GREAT answer to your question in about an hour :)
[7:42] <notafads> yeah im aware figured id reword it to widen the scope
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[7:47] <tjcarter> Fair enough
[7:55] <tjcarter> I've never gotten used to just how much aptitude looks like an angry fruit salad. :)
[7:55] <tjcarter> dselect back in the day was ugly, but at least it didn't clash ;)
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[7:56] <tjcarter> But then, I still used dselect back in like 2004 or thereabouts.
[7:56] <Xark> dselect kept me from running Debian for years. Horrible UI. :)
[7:57] <tjcarter> Horrible keystrokes. The UI wasn't so bad.
[7:57] <Xark> Horrible usability (i.e., unusable for me).
[7:57] <tjcarter> The keyboard commands were absolutely dreadful.
[7:57] <Xark> Very unintuitive too.
[7:57] <tjcarter> OTOH, I still find myself trying to use some of them in aptitude because they are so ingrained.
[7:58] <Xark> tjcarter: I am not sure I have ever tried aptitude in other than command line mode.
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[7:58] <Xark> (I think not...)
[7:58] <tjcarter> Just goes to show you, no matter how bat-guano crazy a UI is, once you've learned it, you'll always use emacs ;)
[7:58] * tjcarter trolls :D
[7:59] <Xark> Never used that either (well, very little). :)
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[7:59] <tjcarter> Though it's just as fair to talk about vi variants being bat-guano crazy UI
[7:59] <Xark> I remember loving Brief and Crisp under Linux (and then the author "un-GPL'd" it...)
[7:59] <Broly> ubuntu mate is starting to piss me off i can't even fucking install libraries that have asm/asm.h
[7:59] <Broly> ffs
[7:59] <Broly> asdfgjaeowpjfaewopfj
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[7:59] <tjcarter> brief? As in Borland Brief clone?
[8:00] <Xark> tjcarter: Yes, but this was before Borland messed it up.
[8:00] <tjcarter> The mostly CUA editor upon which the Turbo IDE was based?
[8:00] <Xark> It was basically "sane" emacs (with C style macros vs Lisp).
[8:00] <Xark> Made really good use of PC AT keyboard too.
[8:00] <tjcarter> The big problem with CUA in UNIX is that you can't usually get shift-arrows and other CUA standards.
[8:01] <Xark> tjcarter: Yes, but it was possible (at least when not under X).
[8:01] <Xark> X is why I don't run Linux (much) these days (ssh mostly when I do).
[8:01] <tjcarter> Yeah, it's doable on BSD at least, and probably can be done with input core under Linux
[8:01] <Xark> tjcarter: It worked excellent on Linux in the 90s.
[8:02] <tjcarter> I think rhide worked that way
[8:02] <tjcarter> How it's done has changed though--or how it'd be done right.
[8:03] <tjcarter> but it's not going to happen under ssh :(
[8:03] * tjcarter officially gave up on Bluetooth in wheezy
[8:04] <tjcarter> I could get my mouse or my keyboard to come up after reboot, but never both.
[8:04] <tjcarter> And the other would often not connect.
[8:05] <tjcarter> if you then restart bluetooth, you might get the other device or both devices to work, but not automatically
[8:06] * Xark avoids bluetooth (not reliable in my experience).
[8:07] <tjcarter> Xark: ideally, I would not be using X, but rather something direct. The only GUI tool I use on this Pi is probably a webkit browser
[8:07] <tjcarter> Gimme that and a 256 color terminal and I'm good.
[8:08] <Xark> tjcarter: I use ssh and the HDMI monitor for OpenGL ES output. :)
[8:08] <Xark> (and video playback etc.)
[8:08] <tjcarter> I haven't had much luck with video playback
[8:08] <tjcarter> when audio starts, the screen would flash back for about .5sec
[8:08] <tjcarter> and then when it would stop, same deal
[8:09] <tjcarter> Redirected audio to 3.5mm jack and that stopped, but I haven't got a handy patch cable to connect to my bluetooth speaker, which is all I have handy
[8:09] <tjcarter> and I can't get the bluetooth audio to work at all.
[8:09] <Xark> tjcarter: Interesting. I haven't had trouble with omxplayer
[8:09] <tjcarter> it's with everything
[8:10] <Broly> sigh
[8:10] <tjcarter> aplay at a tty, midori playing youtube, etc
[8:10] <Broly> im' so disappointed with ubuntu mate. i should have known. i mean obviously it's better than nothing
[8:10] <Broly> SIGHYIYIYI
[8:11] <Xark> Broly: This is Snappy Turtle?
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[8:11] <tjcarter> Broly: what's the issue with Ubuntu Mate?
[8:12] <[Saint]> ...Canta y no llores...
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[8:12] <[Saint]> errr, I guess we weren't singin' huh Broly?
[8:12] <[Saint]> (reminded me of cielito lindo)
[8:13] <Broly> i'm just frustrated because i have to cross some modules
[8:13] <Broly> i don't want to have more tabs open to dl sources ;(
[8:13] <Broly> already got enough up working on my static binary arm gcc for v7l
[8:14] <screamindynomit> ok ive got a complex thing i want do do i want set up a internet radio that does not require a screen(im on a raspberry pi) that all i need is internet,speaker and a keyboard my question is how do i run a streaming radio station in the terminal and how do i key bind a station to a key theres a few more but ill ask them after the main issues are solved~
[8:14] <screamindynomit> and does anyone have any idea if omxplayer can be used to read a radio stream?
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[8:33] <screamindynomit> ok ive got a complex thing i want do do i want set up a internet radio that does not require a screen(im on a raspberry pi) that all i need is internet,speaker and a keyboard my question is how do i run a streaming radio station in the terminal and how do i key bind a station to a key theres a few more but ill ask them after the main issues are solved~
[8:33] <screamindynomit> and does anyone have any idea if omxplayer can be used to read a radio stream?
[8:33] <screamindynomit> and yes i mean http://www.xatworld.com/radio-search/ useing streaming radios and omxplayer or mplayer to stream it but i wan to make it so i dont need a screen to use it so i could just press "a"+"1" for the first anime station i have
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[13:30] <Lope> Anyone here tried running LXC on RasbperryPi? Does it work well? Easy to get going?
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[14:36] <The_Borg> it is so frustrating
[14:37] <The_Borg> SourceForge developer pages are presently offline.
[14:37] <The_Borg> See our Twitter feed for more information.
[14:37] <The_Borg> I cant ge a fix for my sphinxbase missing files
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[14:42] <caelyx> /cl
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[15:03] <Qbrute> I'm having some issues launching any ROMs within a fresh install of RetroPie. it has not worked yet. my error is "/opt/retropie/supplementary/runcommand/runcommand.sh: line 283: <four numbers based on the ROM> Illegal Instruction". Any ideas?
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[15:26] <mistawright> hi guys can anybody recommend a good way to send a float over udp through c++ I can integers to work using unit32_t but cant figure out float
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[15:30] <chris_99> i don't use C++ so can't really say, but are you ensuring you handle the endianness of different hosts, you could use a serialisation library such as msgpack though i guess
[15:31] <Encapsulation> what is VT pin?>
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[15:32] <Encapsulation> mistawright, you should try the relevant channels
[15:32] <Encapsulation> ##c++-basic
[15:32] <Encapsulation> ##c++
[15:32] <Encapsulation> ##programming
[15:32] <ali1234> i would put money on those channels calling him an idiot for even attempting such a thing
[15:32] <ali1234> especially the c++ one
[15:32] <Encapsulation> quite likely
[15:33] <Encapsulation> ##c++-basic and ##programming should be ok
[15:33] <SyncYourDogmas> What's the difference between a float and int in this context?
[15:33] <ali1234> nothing really
[15:34] <SyncYourDogmas> Yeah
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[15:56] <jim87> hello! I'd like to know if there's any raspberry emulator, so that I can try tinkering with it without having the physical hardware...
[15:57] <Davespice> You can use qemu to emulate the arm CPU but this wouldn't let you run stuff against the GPU
[15:58] <Davespice> So you have an arm virtual machine essentially
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[16:12] <[Saint]> jim87: short story even shorter - no.
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[16:13] <[Saint]> But, there's good news.
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[16:13] <[Saint]> You can make a "real world" "emulator" by spending $35 and buying a raspi. :))
[16:14] <[Saint]> Then pretend you have an "emulator emulator" by having the real world hardware.
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[16:17] <Davespice> Hehe yeah
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[16:18] <Davespice> Hell you can probably get an old pi1 model B on eBay for next to nothing nowadays
[16:18] <[Saint]> a raspi and a VESA mount.
[16:19] <[Saint]> stick it behind the monitor and pretend it doesn't exist.
[16:19] <[Saint]> ...
[16:19] <[Saint]> profit
[16:19] <Davespice> In using a 2012 Pi 1 256 MB Pi to host my quassel core (irc bouncer service)
[16:20] <[Saint]> I bet that hurts.
[16:20] <Davespice> *i'm
[16:20] <[Saint]> or, do you have a tiny amount of buffers/channels-per-buffer?
[16:20] <[Saint]> database lookups _reaaaaaallllly_ hurt the pi.
[16:21] <Davespice> It's pretty good actually, I'm on in about 5 or 6 channels on various networks
[16:21] <[Saint]> even if you migrate to postgres, it's still slow as Hell.
[16:21] <[Saint]> ah. yeah, that's really trivial usage. you'll note it'll /still/ peg the CPU at 100% during core sync though.
[16:22] <Davespice> I haven't observed it doing 100% CPU yet but maybe when the DB gets a bit bigger
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[16:27] <jim87> thing is I'd like to emulate signals on the GPIO. I'm not really sure what I'm going to do, so basically I wanted to tinker about the idea on what I'd do on a raspi, rather than having a project and developing it
[16:28] <jim87> for example do you think it is a viable option to grep the camera output and send via UDP to a client via the WiFi dongle?
[16:28] <jim87> and, at the same time, control servos and an electric engine of an RC car?
[16:29] <[Saint]> There's absolutely no way in Hell you'd achieve that in emulation.
[16:29] <[Saint]> Not even close.
[16:29] <[Saint]> But - yes.
[16:30] <jim87> well, I'd bind the USB camera to the emulator and try out the UDP transmission
[16:30] <[Saint]> These things are so absurdly cheap it isn't even worth the time and effort getting emulation set up even if it were possible.
[16:30] <HanSooloo_> trying to figure out how to TAR a root filesystem to add a new OS to NOOBS … I already have a root-fs mounted, e.g., /media/ubuntu/sd-p2
[16:30] <[Saint]> assuming it's possible (it isn't), that's a few hours work at least - and these cost ~$30
[16:31] <HanSooloo_> what tar command should I use to pack all the files properly
[16:31] <HanSooloo_> i.e., skip links to other filesystems, preserve uid/gid/etc?
[16:31] <HanSooloo_> FYI, following instructions here: http://www.i-programmer.info/programming/hardware/7688-real-raspberry-pi-custom-noobs.html?start=2
[16:31] <jim87> and what's the average distance for 802.11n @ 2.4 Ghz, open space? I know its technical limits, but what about "real world application"
[16:31] <[Saint]> I suspect 'tar --help' and/or 'man tar' can tell you.
[16:32] <Encrypt> <Davespice> In using a 2012 Pi 1 256 MB Pi to host my quassel core (irc bouncer service) // I have a 256MB model B and it does more stuff! :D
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[16:32] <HanSooloo_> [Saint]: I think so too .. was trying to see if there is domain knowledge here, or an example ...
[16:33] <HanSooloo_> I know I should skip the file system traversal, e.g., don’t take /var symlinks and like
[16:33] <HanSooloo_> but not sure of the exact command
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[16:33] <HanSooloo_> e.g., how did the Raspbian distro get created?
[16:35] <jim87> HanSooloo_ have you tried with tar -zcvf ? compress (gzip), create archive, verbose, file name. For example -zcvf /my-backup.tar.gz /
[16:35] <HanSooloo_> key is to preserve permissions .. seems like this could work:
[16:35] <HanSooloo_> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BackupYourSystem/TAR
[16:36] <jim87> HanSooloo_: permissions, user and group should be preserved
[16:36] <HanSooloo_> correct
[16:36] <HanSooloo_> and symlinks pointing to other filesystems should be skipped
[16:36] <jim87> yep, unless -h
[16:36] <HanSooloo_> e.g., /tmp and/or /var seems to be get mounted on ephemeral filesystems
[16:37] <jim87> ah, -p = preserve permissions
[16:37] <HanSooloo_> and /proc
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[16:43] <HanSooloo_> maybe this: ‘tar -zvcf --one-file-system -p rootfs.tgz /media/ubuntu/sd-p2’
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[16:49] <Davespice> Encrypt, what do you have yours doing?
[16:49] <Encrypt> Davespice, Printer, files, web and mail servers
[16:49] <Encrypt> Davespice, I will soon buy a Raspberry Pi 2 to add a GSM gateway with asterisk
[16:50] <Encrypt> Because 256MB isn't enough to add more magic! :D
[16:50] <Davespice> Nice
[16:50] <Encrypt> Davespice, https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/19626172/RPi.jpg
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[16:51] <Davespice> Cool
[16:51] <Davespice> So is it a nas type set up?
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[16:52] <Encrypt> Davespice, Not really
[16:52] <Encrypt> I am syncing my files with Unison
[16:52] <Encrypt> And I have installed BarracudaDrive to be able to download / upload files
[16:53] <Encrypt> It's a really light server, contrary to OwnCloud
[16:54] <Davespice> Cool
[16:55] <Encrypt> But a proprietary solution
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[16:55] <Encrypt> Davespice, Also, to save energy, I'm using the hdparm tool to make my drive stop spinning after 15 minutes without access
[16:55] <Encrypt> It works really well! :)
[16:56] <Davespice> Oh nice, mine is just being the quassel core and running a no-IP Duc so I can get in from outside
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[16:57] <Encrypt> Davespice, :D
[16:58] <Encrypt> Davespice, If you knew what- happens when you access my website...
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[16:59] <Encrypt> My website domain --> No IP domain --> My IP x)
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[17:01] <Davespice> Did anyone see Kate Russel from BBC click posted a step by step how to guide for using a Pi as a VPN server... on the BBC news site?
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[17:04] <Davespice> https://twitter.com/bbcclick/status/622669729640148992
[17:04] <mirana2s> wow, rpi is really slow
[17:05] <SpeedEvil> 1 is way slower than 2
[17:05] <mirana2s> rpi2 is still slow
[17:05] <SpeedEvil> yes
[17:05] <Davespice> Compared to what on bang for buck scale?
[17:05] <SpeedEvil> Thoguh often, it's not the CPU which is limiting in the case of 2
[17:05] <mirana2s> running a bash script. On a PC I don't even have time to blink. This one is taking more than 5 minutes
[17:05] <GentileBen> Davespice: what spices can you offer me?
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[17:06] <Encrypt> Mikelevel, What kind of script?
[17:06] <Encrypt> mirana2s, ^
[17:06] <mirana2s> ./config before compiling nginx
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[17:06] <Encrypt> Ah...
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[17:06] <Encrypt> That's a heavy operation :D
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[17:07] <Davespice> Might be SD card access speed slowing that kind of thing down
[17:07] <SpeedEvil> mirana2s: Disk writes - including reads that update atime are _hideously_ slow.
[17:07] <SpeedEvil> SD cards cam actually be slower than floppy disk in some cases
[17:07] <GentileBen> Can they, though?
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[17:09] <Davespice> GentileBen, I'm not a purveyor of find spices unfortunately
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[17:13] <mirana2s> do you use VNC for your rpis?
[17:13] <mirana2s> im constantly moving from chair to chair
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[17:14] <Berg> mirana2s: i use vnc tighhtvncx
[17:14] <Berg> pretty goot just set up your screen size and off you go
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[17:17] <GentileBen> We are the Berg.
[17:18] <GentileBen> mirana2s: unfortunately VNC is the best option for Linux.
[17:18] <GentileBen> As a protocol it's pretty horrendous, though.
[17:18] <GentileBen> I know there's at least one Linux implementation of RDP, though...
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[17:26] <mirana2s> how do I set noatime for the sdcard? There's no fstab
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[17:42] <mirana2s> I'm confused.. is raspian pi using systemd or not? it has /etc/systemd/
[17:42] <mirana2s> but there's no systemctl
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[17:42] <nid0> it does not by default
[17:42] <nid0> but you can install it
[17:43] <mirana2s> so I'll use initscripts then?
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[17:43] <mirana2s> "/etc/init.d/sshd start" or whatever it is. That's the default way?
[17:43] <nid0> yes
[17:43] <mirana2s> ty
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[17:47] <mirana2s> any reason I can't ping or connect to my rpi?
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[17:51] <GentileBen> Maybe you don't actually have an rpi, mirana2s.
[17:51] <GentileBen> Maybe you're trying to ping a turnip.
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[17:55] <Qbrute> HAHAHA great reply! Well Meme'd my friend!
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[17:56] <Davespice> mirana2s: it's possible it's dhcp lease was changed and is now on another IP address
[17:56] <Davespice> also possible it's Ethernet cable has come out?
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[17:58] <Davespice> it could also have crashed, I believe there is a kernel watchdog that can be enabled that will reboot the Pi if a crash happens
[17:58] <Davespice> which is helpful if you're working on a Pi remotely
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[18:25] <lala> Hello. I want to report a finding on https://www.raspberrypi.org/documentation/installation/installing-images/mac.md that can make installing images easier on the Mac platform.
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[18:26] <lala> Currently, it specifies `sudo dd bs=1m if=path_of_your_image.img of=/dev/diskn` where n is a disk number.
[18:26] <lala> Using that command can lead to slow write times to the SD card.
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[18:27] <lala> Instead I suggest using `sudo dd if=path_of_your_image.img of=/dev/diskn` and removing the `bs` parameter to optimize the transfer.
[18:27] <lala> This change seems to significantly increase the transfer speed for me.
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[18:28] <ppq> without bs (default is 512 byte iirc) it will be even slower for most people. obviously 1m isn't optimal either
[18:28] <lala> I have tried playing with the block size parameter, but I've found that eliminating the parameter altogether iincreases the speed.
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[18:28] <lala> ppq: But I'm not sure that applies to Macs.
[18:29] <ppq> https://developer.apple.com/library/mac/documentation/Darwin/Reference/ManPages/man1/dd.1.html
[18:29] <ppq> looks like it's 512 byte on mac, too
[18:29] <lala> ppq: I know why, I don't think the "m" in "1m" is being read.
[18:29] <ppq> oh, okay
[18:29] <ppq> maybe M?
[18:30] <lala> "M" is invalid.
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[18:30] <lala> So I suppose it should be bs=1024
[18:30] <lala> No no..
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[18:30] <lala> bs=1048576
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[18:30] <lala> Right?
[18:30] <ppq> the man page says "Where sizes are specified, a decimal, octal, or hexadecimal number of bytes is expected. If the number ends with a ``b'', ``k'', ``m'', ``g'', or ``w'', the number is multiplied by 512, 1024 (1K), 1048576 (1M), 1073741824 (1G) or the number of bytes in an integer, respectively."
[18:31] <ppq> so it should work fine with m or M
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[18:32] <lala> https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/6udnACXu/
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[18:32] <lala> Apparently the document must be outdated.
[18:32] <ppq> you have a typo
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[18:32] <ppq> ds instead of bs
[18:32] <lala> Whoops.
[18:33] <lala> https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/kE4tCGGk/
[18:33] <lala> That's what I meant.
[18:33] <lala> I've tried it before too.
[18:33] <lala> And the lowercase "m" takes forever.
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[18:33] <lala> I've once waited an hour and it still didn't finish.
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[18:34] <ppq> huh, strange, why would they remove options like bs
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[18:35] <lala> ppq: Yeap. It is strange.
[18:35] <ppq> so the m is treated as a factor of 512. which makes even less sense :D
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[18:35] <ppq> and with bs=1048576 it's faster?
[18:35] <lala> That is why "Note: Some users have reported issues with using Mac OS X to create SD cards." is shown on the page.
[18:35] <lala> ppq: I'm testing that now.
[18:35] <lala> https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/jV4CAdRM/
[18:36] <lala> In process...
[18:36] <lala> At 20 seconds, 48+0 records in, 47+0 records out.
[18:36] <lala> Let me cancel the transfer and do it without the bs parameter.
[18:36] <ppq> so about 2.4 MiB/s, looks good
[18:37] <lala> Uh...
[18:37] <lala> What do the "records" stand for?
[18:38] <ppq> chunks of 1048576 bytes
[18:38] <lala> Oh.
[18:38] <lala> Okay I'll wait until it reaches up to around 3900 records.
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[18:39] <lala> Because the ubuntu-15.04-snappy-armhf-rpi2.img is about 3.9 GB.
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[18:39] <ppq> the speed probably won't change much from now on
[18:40] <lala> ppq: But using bs=1m will keep it at 1+0 records in or so for over 15 minutes.
[18:40] <lala> That indicates that the "1m" is messing up the bs parameter.
[18:41] <ppq> yea.. no way to know what mac's dd is doing with it
[18:41] <lala> That is why I initially suggested to remove the bs parameter altogether.
[18:41] <ppq> or change it to bs=1048576
[18:41] <lala> But you have given me some insight as to how bs works.
[18:42] <lala> Yes. That is my revised proposal.
[18:42] <ppq> :)
[18:44] <ppq> https://github.com/raspberrypi/documentation/blob/master/installation/installing-images/mac.md
[18:44] <ppq> huh, another version
[18:45] <ppq> it would make sense to put bs=1048576 everywhere and remove the bit about gnu coreutils, since that way all versions will work with the command
[18:45] * lala agrees.
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[18:46] <ppq> no idea if that is the preferred way to handle things but you could open an issue on github https://github.com/raspberrypi/documentation/issues
[18:47] <lala> Hmm... Okay.
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[19:01] <lala> https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/Gr82SFq0/
[19:01] <lala> ppq: It took 1467 seconds.
[19:03] <ppq> so 2.5 MiB/s
[19:03] <ppq> thats alright
[19:04] <Kamilion> hm, i started using dc3dd several years ago and havn't come back to gnu's dd in a long time.
[19:04] <Kamilion> one of the biggest reasons was not having to pass bs=1M every time I read or wrote a disk image.
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[19:17] <DoctorD90> guys, i have recover the camera from a Nokia phone.....may you know where i can search for pins scheme of this kind?
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[19:25] <user314> hi there... mine is on its way to be a weather station... It's working already, but still some work to do: https://goo.gl/photos/PNX59wYeb47UgHUf7
[19:29] <user314> I am still thinking about the best way to store the data...
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[19:48] <lala> ppq: The whole mac.md documentation file is ugly.
[19:48] <lala> It mentions ImageWriter on the top and never refers to it again.
[19:49] <lala> The (Mostly) graphical interface section uses Terminal, which is similar to the Command line section.
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[19:49] <lala> And a bunch of stuff isn't systematic.
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[19:57] <ppq> lala, i agree... got no means to change it though
[19:57] <lala> ppq: What do you mean?
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[20:00] <ppq> i'm not one of the people who can change it on the foundation website or github. you should open an issue
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[20:00] <lala> ppq: I'm rewriting the entire page. Is that a good idea?
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[20:02] <ppq> i guess. why not
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[20:03] <Broly> i woke up today and dreaded the module building that is in front ofm e
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[20:05] <lala> ppq: I have this so far: https://github.com/vivaolet/documentation/blob/master/installation/installing-images/mac.md
[20:05] <lala> Compare that to the original.
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[20:07] <lala> ppq: Here it is https://github.com/raspberrypi/documentation/compare/master...vivaolet:master
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[20:11] <ppq> lala, looks good. you could also take the dd command out of all three methods and put it (only once) in the end, since it's the same everywhere
[20:12] <ppq> just a thought
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[20:14] <lala> ppq: Good idea... I'll do that shortly.
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[20:38] <Broly> are there any linnks where i can easily download all of the modules for pi 2
[20:38] <Broly> not prebuilt
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[20:52] <JakeSays> i just want to verify something. the gertboard can plug directly in to a raspi 1/B, right?
[20:52] <Bilby> yes
[20:52] <JakeSays> Bilby: cool. ty
[20:52] <Bilby> gerboard is designed for the non-plus pinout
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[20:53] <JakeSays> yeah. i have a 2, but dont have the right connectors, so i'm gonna revert to a 1/b
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[20:55] <lala> How do I install Ubuntu Server onto Raspberry Pi 2?
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[21:07] <JakeSays> lala: ubuntu server seems like overkill for a raspi2
[21:07] <lala> JakeSays: How so?
[21:08] <lala> And why so?
[21:08] <JakeSays> its not really a server platform
[21:08] <JakeSays> i'm not an ubuntu expert, but what would that give you over a non-server install?
[21:09] <lala> JakeSays: I don't want to install GUI-related packages.
[21:09] <lala> That's all.
[21:09] <lala> Ubuntu MATE has GUI stuff.
[21:09] <JakeSays> oh
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[21:10] <JakeSays> that makes sense
[21:10] <lala> How do I get Ubuntu?
[21:10] <lala> Server.
[21:11] <DoctorD90> on rpi, headless or lxde....im using a xfce os, and is it s little wheigth than raspbian....
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[21:12] <JakeSays> lala: no idea.
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[21:13] <DoctorD90> lala: i havent.read all conversation, but i may tell that debian and ubuntu a pretty the same thing....so to get ubuntu server, you may just use rasbpian in headless mode :)
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[21:14] <JakeSays> but default raspian comes with a lot of gui packages pre-installed, doesnt it?
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[21:15] <DoctorD90> at first start you may choose if.you want startx to start at boot
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[21:15] <DoctorD90> choose "no" ant then, uninstall all lxde enviorenment :)
[21:15] <DoctorD90> i dont do that because if.i need to run a google search, i just use startx...
[21:15] <DoctorD90> or run vnc
[21:16] <JakeSays> so i have a bunch of very small motors - about 10mm by 2mm. they run off of a 1.5v battery. any idea how i might determine how many of them i could run in series off of the gertboard's motor controller?
[21:16] <DoctorD90> JakeSays: maybe i may help you, but my english piss off....be a little.more 'clear' please :D
[21:17] <DoctorD90> you have some motor that run at 1.5v and.require how many amps?
[21:17] <JakeSays> i'm not sure how many amps.
[21:17] <JakeSays> its a very very small motor, so it cannot require too many
[21:18] <DoctorD90> uhm....do you havent a amperometer?
[21:18] <DoctorD90> wattmeter?
[21:20] <DoctorD90> rpi may gives you 1A if i remeber well, from GPIO...BUT nothing is created, nothing is destroyed...your wall DC converter has to give 1.5~2 A to rpi
[21:20] <Bilby> You need either the specifications for the motor or an ammeter to test them
[21:20] <DoctorD90> or it will shutdown
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[21:21] <ozzzy> running an inductive load from a GPIO is never a good idea
[21:21] <Bilby> even small motors can draw a significant amount when starting or when stalled
[21:21] <SyncYourDogmas> Amp meters look cool too
[21:21] <DoctorD90> Bilby: ammeter is the english word for istrument for amper?
[21:21] <JakeSays> i have an ammeter
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[21:22] <JakeSays> but i'm gonna drive them off of the motor controller on the gertboard
[21:22] <DoctorD90> ozzzy: what is an "inductive load" ?
[21:23] <DoctorD90> do you mean brushes motor probablyeletric feedback?
[21:23] <JakeSays> and that motor controller is rated at 18v, 2A
[21:23] <Bilby> DoctorD90, yes. Ammeter = "Amp Meter", something that measures current draw
[21:23] <DoctorD90> thx Bilby :) so now i know how it is named.in english :D
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[21:25] <DoctorD90> ozzzy_: what do you mean with 'inductive load' ?
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[21:26] <ozzzy_> DoctorD90, motors, relays, things with coils
[21:27] <DoctorD90> ok, may I ask you why? :) due to 'electric feedback'?
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[21:28] <ozzzy_> due to the fact that when the power is cut to the coil and the magnetic field collapses large voltages can run around the circuit
[21:30] <JakeSays> and then bad things happen
[21:30] <DoctorD90> ah ok. I thougth about a little feedback due to brashes that create a sort of fluctuation on line....or.something similar from what I remember.
[21:30] <DoctorD90> so how to control a motor?
[21:30] <DoctorD90> an H bridge betweem gpio and motor?
[21:30] <JakeSays> thats one way
[21:31] <JakeSays> or a transister and diode
[21:31] <Kamilion> JakeSays: two things; 1: it's best to separate your power planes; don't share a power source between the compute section and the physical work section. 2: Brushed DC motors depend on voltage to maintain RPM. You may run your motors with higher voltage for a higher RPM. If you're free running them without load, you'll be able to spin a bunch of them quickly.
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[21:32] <Kamilion> if you're intending to do any sort of work with them, they'll start drawing more amperage to compensate for the torque required to rotate the shaft at the RPM the voltage is influencing.
[21:32] <JakeSays> Kamilion: the gertboard motor controller requires a separate power supply for the motor. the motors are actually out of disposable electric toothbruses. the load is a counterweight used for bibrating
[21:32] <JakeSays> *vibrating
[21:33] <ozzzy_> I'd use something like an L293D
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[21:33] <Kamilion> shouldn't have any problems then with small vibrator counterweights. Couldn't tell you 'how many' but 'at least four'.
[21:34] <Kamilion> to determine the actual amount, I'd use a shunt resistor to measure the amperage, live in circuit.
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[21:34] <Kamilion> and stop when it reached around 1.8A of the 2A capacity.
[21:34] <JakeSays> the gertboard has a "ROHM BD6222HFP motor controller"
[21:35] <DoctorD90> ozzzy_: my memory tricks me,.or L293D is an Hbridge?
[21:35] <Kamilion> uh, isn't that a stepper driver?
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[21:35] <ozzzy_> Kamilion, you can drive a bipolar stepper with it yep
[21:35] <ozzzy_> or a couple of DC motors bidirectional
[21:36] <Kamilion> http://dztechfun.blogspot.com/2013/11/gertboard-pi-motor-test.html
[21:36] <Kamilion> yeah, just looked at that.
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[21:36] <JakeSays> hmm. this might work then
[21:36] <JakeSays> i'm building an alarm clock
[21:36] <Kamilion> JakeSays: should have no problems, provide a decent current source like a C battery where the 9V is shown in that
[21:37] <DoctorD90> to manage motor, im going to order pwm shield on adafruit :)
[21:38] <Kamilion> what kind of motor, DoctorD90?
[21:38] <JakeSays> the gertboard is way overkill, but it'll do until i can get the right components
[21:38] <Kamilion> JakeSays: quite -- but do remember, electricity is drawn; using ICs with limits above what you'll generally deal with in the real world is a good thing.
[21:39] <JakeSays> Kamilion: can you explain more about using a shunt resistor to measure amperage?
[21:39] <lala> DoctorD90: The thing about Debian is that the packages are quite outdated.
[21:39] <Kamilion> JakeSays: I assumed you were trying to drive a much bigger motor
[21:39] <DoctorD90> Kamilion: i would like to build a quadcopter with rpi, so i will use pwm to manage esc for brushless motor, but Hbridge drives brushes motors, so i think i will learn to use pwm board with some brsushes motors
[21:39] <JakeSays> Kamilion: oh
[21:40] <JakeSays> just several very small ones
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[21:40] <DoctorD90> lala: debian just use stable instead of code name :P it is a little update maybe so
[21:40] <Kamilion> DoctorD90: ESCs speak 'servo' style PWM, and most have a number of settings they can configured with.
[21:40] <Kamilion> JakeSays: you could measure with a standard multimeter
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[21:40] <lala> DoctorD90: I'm not sure what you mean.
[21:40] <JakeSays> ok cool. i'm gonna try that now
[21:41] <Kamilion> JakeSays: put the lead in the socket that's marked '10A', switch the multimeter to amperage, and place the probe in-line with the motor
[21:41] <JakeSays> privided i can find my multimeter
[21:41] <Kamilion> that means disconnect the motor
[21:41] <Kamilion> wrap one of it's leads around the multimeter's lead
[21:41] <Kamilion> and attach the other multimeter lead to where the motor WAS connected.
[21:42] <Kamilion> so it goes board -> motor -> multimeter -> board
[21:42] <JakeSays> right
[21:42] <JakeSays> the meter is in series with the motor and power supply
[21:42] <DoctorD90> lala google about 'debian repository', and look as it is composed a sources.list, and you will find a difference under use.codename (wheezie, jessie,sid, etc) and 'type'(stable, unstable, testing, etc)
[21:42] <Kamilion> DoctorD90: that's dangerous advice
[21:42] <DoctorD90> Kamilion: sorry, i havent understand well :P
[21:43] <JakeSays> Kamilion: i had a good deal of electronics training in highschool, but its been 30 years
[21:43] <JakeSays> so i'm very rusty
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[21:43] <Kamilion> JakeSays: I have none -- I've always been a hobbyist learning on my own.
[21:43] <Kamilion> but there's an old adage, "read the instructions even if you don't follow them"
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[21:44] <JakeSays> heh. highschool electronics training not much to brag about.
[21:44] <Kamilion> better than what you'd find today.
[21:44] <DoctorD90> Kamilion: i use 'stable' in my little server....just to.keep updates, but without getting troubles :P
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[21:45] <Kamilion> DoctorD90: I meant, specifying stable without pointing at a specific codename
[21:46] <Kamilion> one day 'stable' changes to jessie and you apt-get upgrade and things break because you did not dist-upgrade
[21:46] <giddles> hey
[21:46] <DoctorD90> ah lol! rigth! you have rigth
[21:46] <Kamilion> to be honest, I've never had a problem running dist-upgrade all of the time.
[21:46] <giddles> my rpi2 only starts after 3x power on/off
[21:46] <giddles> what could be the reason for?
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[21:46] <Kamilion> giddles: does the graphics unit start? (do you see the color-map as the GPU is initialized?)
[21:47] <DoctorD90> but i always run update/dist-upgrade/upgrade
[21:47] <giddles> nope sir
[21:47] <DoctorD90> you have totally rigth!
[21:47] <giddles> after 3x fire the graphic unit start
[21:47] <Kamilion> giddles: check the SDcard, examine the socket with a magnifying glass
[21:47] <Kamilion> on one of my boards I nicked the sdcard trace on the board somehow
[21:47] <giddles> k thanks
[21:47] <giddles> :)
[21:47] <Kamilion> on another i had some lint stuck in a bad place.
[21:48] <giddles> and i got google drive upload problems ;)
[21:48] <giddles> when i hang in more as 4 scources the token expire?
[21:49] <giddles> its an old sd card
[21:49] <giddles> ...
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[21:49] <DoctorD90> Kamilion: about pwm, what do you mean before? esc.at end asks for pwm to be controlled(from what i have understand) and i may controll brushes motor with pwm.too
[21:50] <Kamilion> sadly, a number of my SD cards have failed over time. many times it is because I wrote to sector 0 too many times (where the boot sector/partition table is) from changing things around and resizing partitions too often.
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[21:50] <giddles> same problems i got ;) on my other pi's
[21:50] <DoctorD90> lol
[21:50] <giddles> but my kodi is special.. :) @ 3 times startup
[21:50] <Kamilion> DoctorD90: due to how RC aircraft grew up over time, all things today share the 'futaba pwm servo interface', 3 pin connection.
[21:51] <DoctorD90> yes
[21:51] <Kamilion> it has a groun pin, a positive voltage pin, and the PWM pin does not deliver the actual power.
[21:52] <DoctorD90> ok
[21:52] <Kamilion> it is merely a logic-level duty cycle
[21:52] <DoctorD90> pwm adafruit board has 3 pins
[21:52] <Kamilion> the ESC takes logic level PWM and performs actual magnetic field swapping for motor control.
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[21:53] <Kamilion> DoctorD90: If it is easier to learn by seeing, maybe this will help: http://vedder.se/2015/01/vesc-open-source-esc/
[21:53] <DoctorD90> and it is written that is also possible controll led, so 2 wire stuff(like motors)(even if i havent well understand where to link 2 wire of led xD)
[21:54] <Kamilion> yes, the electric skateboard in that demonstration uses 2-wire bus to control LEDs of 'headlights' and 'brakelights'
[21:54] <Kamilion> by sending serial packet over bus
[21:54] <Kamilion> PWM is continuous
[21:55] <Kamilion> that ESC is 1KW though, a little too powerful for quadcopters
[21:55] <Kamilion> but you will learn much from it's open design that will help you evaluate quadcopter ESC controllers better.
[21:56] <DoctorD90> ok, i go to see link!
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[21:57] <Kamilion> a raspberry pi clone called an odroid was used to do the camera overlays. No reason a raspberry pi2 could not do it (but it had not been released yet)
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[21:59] <Kamilion> I bought a large chinese electric scooter (size of gasoline scooter) a couple months back. I burned out the motor controller going down a hill. Trying to figure out where to mount my pi2 and a cheap webcam so i can clone his electric longboard setup onto my scooter.
[21:59] <Kamilion> he has all of the things implimented, including turnsignals.
[22:00] <JakeSays> Kamilion: looks like 133ma at 1.5v
[22:00] <JakeSays> so i could drive quite a few it looks like
[22:00] <Kamilion> JakeSays: yep.
[22:00] <JakeSays> very cool. this is gonna be able to wake the dead. lol
[22:01] <Kamilion> changing the voltage will make the motor rotate at a different speed. Changing the duty cycle of the PWM feed will also accomplish this.
[22:01] <tawr> Kamilion: odroids are NOT clones
[22:01] <Kamilion> so your voltage determines the max speed
[22:01] <tawr> they're miles ahead of rpi's
[22:01] <Kamilion> tawr: opinion noted and shared.
[22:01] <JakeSays> tawr: yeah the community is miles behind the rpi, unfortunately
[22:01] <Kamilion> but the board layout is definitely just as much of a clone as a banana pi
[22:01] <tawr> that I agree on
[22:02] <tawr> Kamilion: err, maybe their ONE rpi-equiv
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[22:02] <tawr> look at the xu3 and tell me it's a clone!
[22:02] <Kamilion> EG, the model B+ layout with 4X USB+ eth, and the placement of the 40 pin header.
[22:02] <JakeSays> the odroid C3 is very much pi'ish
[22:03] <Kamilion> the XU does not share a Pi style layout
[22:03] <Kamilion> nor does the cubieboard2
[22:03] <Davespice> Not to boast or anything but we're going to the ISS later this year =)
[22:03] <tawr> i forgot about cubie
[22:03] <Kamilion> otherwise the cubieboard2 and banana pi are identical.
[22:03] <JakeSays> i was going to get a C3 until the pi2 was released
[22:03] <Kamilion> both allwinners
[22:03] <JakeSays> Davespice: who is we?
[22:04] <Kamilion> JakeSays: I have both; for certain things like vision processing, the amlogic is better
[22:04] <tawr> JakeSays: almost grabbed the xu3 for a project, but the rpi2 is running it happily :)
[22:04] * ozzzy__ generally uses a PCM9363 Atom board
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[22:04] <Davespice> Raspberry Pi / Astro Pi
[22:04] <JakeSays> Davespice: dang i was hoping you meant me. lol
[22:04] <Kamilion> http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00REGG6QU/ <--- picked a couple of these up direct from china for around $90 each. Full tiny battery powered atom.
[22:04] <Davespice> Hah!
[22:05] <JakeSays> Kamilion: what has your experience with them been like?
[22:05] <Kamilion> bought five, all five still work.
[22:05] <Kamilion> windows 8.1 is a bit of a pain to keep updated though.
[22:05] <DoctorD90> Kamilion: 19:36] <@DoctorD90> 3geoip 151.63.78.68
[22:05] <DoctorD90> [19:36] <Wolf> Looking up 151.63.78.68 ...
[22:05] <DoctorD90> [19:36] <Wolf> Status: Success; IP: 151.63.78.68; Country: Italy [IT]; TZ: Europe/Rome; Region: Sicily [82]; City: Palermo; Zip: 90100; LAT: 38.1167; LONG: 13.3667; ISP: Infostrada; Org: WIND; Ass: AS1267 WIND
[22:05] <DoctorD90> dho
[22:05] <Kamilion> and I don't think it'll get 10
[22:05] <DoctorD90> wrong copy >,<
[22:05] <Kamilion> the battery lasts a good number of hours too
[22:06] <Kamilion> but it seems to be a lot happier when fed 5V2A
[22:06] <JakeSays> Kamilion: five? wow. what are you doing with them?
[22:06] <Kamilion> ubuntu works fine on them.
[22:07] <Kamilion> uh, i rubberbanded them together, installed rethinkdb on all five, joined them to unit #1 as a cluster, and took it to a conference.
[22:07] <Kamilion> smallest 20 core cluster database server ever.
[22:07] <JakeSays> very cool
[22:07] <Kamilion> 64bit, too.
[22:07] <JakeSays> wow. the specs on that thing are awesome
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[22:07] <Kamilion> they have some other ones out now too with larger storage
[22:08] <JakeSays> not too excited with win 8.1 tho. would rather have win10
[22:08] <Kamilion> 32GB doesn't seem to be enough with windows.
[22:08] <ozzzy> kamdard, 8G is fine
[22:08] <Kamilion> but when replaced with ubuntu, it's quite more than enough.
[22:08] <Kamilion> no problems formatting it btrfs
[22:08] <Kamilion> nice and easy backups with btrfs send
[22:09] <ozzzy> sorry... I was thinking RAM and you were thinking storage
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[22:09] <Kamilion> i have one of them mounted next to the cheap chinese timeclock at the office
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[22:09] <JakeSays> i wonder how well they'd work as a solr cluster
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[22:10] <Kamilion> the timeclock software was windows only, the timeclock plugs in via RS-232 serial, so we just got a serial to usb adapter, plugged it in, and set up remote desktop... LOL
[22:10] <chiasmata> at my wits end here, been trying to install pandas for python to absolutely no avail. Installing python-pandas via apt-get install installs 0.8 which is far too old for my automation script and pip install pandas just hangs after it has downloaded the tar.gz - any ideas?
[22:10] <Kamilion> so depending on what you're stuck trying to do, it can be a godsend or your worst enemy
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[22:11] <Kamilion> chiasmata: pip should spit an error or something... do you have python3-dev installed?
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[22:11] <Kamilion> normally python-dev or python3-dev need to be around so build-essential is, so C extensions can be built by pip at install time.
[22:11] <JakeSays> 32gb eMMC would leave about 30'ish free after OS, etc.. 5 of them sharded would give me a 160gb'ish solr index. that could be very cool
[22:11] <Kamilion> sometimes you can get around this by using the new Wheel format -- someone might have some prebuilt wheels for the Pi's CPU arch
[22:12] <chiasmata> Kamilion: I wish it did - at least then I would have something to google, it just downloads and then does nothing. I have python-dev installed, not 3 but will install now anyway..
[22:12] <Kamilion> JakeSays: the really annoying thing: The chipset itself supports both USB 3.0 and USB 3.0 OTG -- but the USB micro connector doesn't have D+/D- connected, so it's power only
[22:12] <JakeSays> .. thats dumb
[22:13] <Kamilion> yeah, probably cost savings
[22:13] <JakeSays> can they be modded?
[22:13] <Kamilion> not sure
[22:13] <Kamilion> havn't tried to open one
[22:13] <Kamilion> the case is extruded aluminum, i'd have to break off one of the two sides
[22:13] <Kamilion> was intending on doing that when the first one started showing problems... but it's been like four months so far with no issues.
[22:14] <JakeSays> Kamilion: is this the one with more storage? http://www.aliexpress.com/item/64GB-Vensmile-W10-Intel-Mini-PC-TV-Box-Quad-Core-1-33Ghz-CPU-2GB-64GB-Support/32349885608.html
[22:14] <Kamilion> also, we have a swann security camera system -- they push an activex control to view the video.
[22:14] <Kamilion> think so
[22:14] <Kamilion> yesh
[22:14] <chiasmata> Kamilion: installed python3-dev, pip is still hanging after downloading pandas, are there any other pip log files I should check?
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[22:15] <Kamilion> there IS a microsd slot -- sticking a nice 128GB UHS1 card in there works well
[22:15] <Kamilion> chiasmata: I think it tries to write ~/.pip/somelogfilename
[22:15] <JakeSays> eMMC is faster though, isnt it?
[22:15] <Kamilion> yeah, eMMC is an 8 bit link, where SD is either 1, 2 or 4, depending on mode
[22:16] <DoctorD90> Kamilion: https://www.adafruit.com/product/815
[22:16] <Kamilion> plus the clockspeed of the lines can go much higher on eMMC, IIRC to 80Mhz where the microsd socket had some kind of limitation of 50Mhz... that could just be one specific manufacturer's specific socket.
[22:16] <DoctorD90> this one :)
[22:17] <chiasmata> Kamilion: nothing in there either - am I right in assuming that pip also installs dependencies? Should I try reinstalling numpy etc. first
[22:17] <chiasmata> ?
[22:17] <Kamilion> DoctorD90: very nice, but do keep in mind that you are going to need to be controlling it in real time
[22:17] <Kamilion> chiasmata: it should install deps yes, try pip help and look for a verbose flag
[22:17] <chiasmata> will do.
[22:17] <Kamilion> also, you may want to tell pip to upgrade itself
[22:17] <tawr> ^
[22:17] <JakeSays> lol now that is one versatile seller - small pc's and ... adult toys.
[22:18] <tawr> JakeSays: toys for boys and girls!
[22:18] <Kamilion> that's not a great idea on a distro, but I've noticed the latest version is like 6.0.7 or something, while we get 1.30 or something shipped
[22:18] <JakeSays> lol indeed
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[22:19] <Kamilion> JakeSays: if you spend a bit of time, you can track down the OEM themselves and get fair deals
[22:19] <Kamilion> iirc they are named vissiontech
[22:19] <Kamilion> the amazon link's price is like, $30 over what i paid.
[22:20] <DoctorD90> Kamilion: it has its own controller, once i say 'motor 2 atm X', board sends itself the signal
[22:20] <JakeSays> Kamilion: ok cool
[22:20] <Kamilion> DoctorD90: still, for a quadcopter or hexcopter, you are dealing with rapid motion control in realtime.
[22:21] * JakeSays wants a decicopter
[22:21] <Kamilion> it's a lot smarter to get a smaller microcontroller to manage all of your motors and watch the motor sensors in a tight loop, and command it from a higher level.
[22:22] <Kamilion> it's really hard to impliment timing critical code on general purpouse computing devices.
[22:22] <Kamilion> especally when you get into SMP multiprocessor
[22:23] <JakeSays> Kamilion: i think a teensy would be good for that
[22:23] <Kamilion> quite.
[22:23] <Kamilion> the 3.1 with the high clock rate
[22:23] <Kamilion> or a parallax propeller at 80Mhz
[22:23] <JakeSays> yup
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[22:24] <JakeSays> ok now i need to fabricate motor housings
[22:24] <Kamilion> if you're doing caluclations like a PID controller for something like self balancing, you want that loop iteration to be running as many times per second as possible.
[22:25] <Kamilion> https://frobotme.wordpress.com/2014/04/29/algorithm-for-self-balancing-robot/
[22:25] <chiasmata> Kamilion: ran pip with the verbose flag - seems there is things going on during the hang, I'll run it for awhile and see where it's messing up, thanks.
[22:25] <Kamilion> chiasmata: may be slow internet / internet servers
[22:25] <JakeSays> Kamilion: very interesting
[22:26] <chiasmata> Kamilion: don't think it's that, it seems to download to 100% very quickly, seems to be some of the behind the scenes stuff that's stopping it
[22:26] <DoctorD90> Kamilion: i have run a tcl password generate that reach on pc, its own clock speed
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[22:26] <Kamilion> I'm on 125Mbit comcast, so when it was doing apt-get update, I got very slow speeds from debian's ftp servers, and it threw me off... I'm used to like 4-5MB/sec
[22:27] <DoctorD90> i think tomrun a loop on input devices(Gyro mainly) process it, and manage motor trougth that board
[22:27] <DoctorD90> (this is the project)
[22:27] <Kamilion> and it was only getting like 500KB/sec
[22:27] <Kamilion> I was like, what's wrong with this thing
[22:28] <Kamilion> wasn't till i went to the debian ftp on my PC and noticed, oh, everything's downloading at 300-400KB/sec from them.
[22:28] <Kamilion> could also be a slow SD card
[22:29] <Kamilion> my kingston 2GB takes AGES, when my ... unimate? 8GB card doesn't seem to lag at all
[22:29] <Kamilion> paid more for the 2GB too... *sigh*
[22:30] <Kamilion> sorry, "unirex"
[22:30] <DoctorD90> uhm....kamilion what is the avarege speed belong to you to reach?
[22:30] <Kamilion> http://www.amazon.com/Unirex-MicroSDHC-Class-UHS-1-Memory/dp/B00SHKZJKQ <--- had really good results with this
[22:30] <DoctorD90> I will run some test on rpi so
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[22:31] <Kamilion> DoctorD90: my internet speeds? About 11MB/sec.
[22:31] <DoctorD90> lol...i mean in managing data
[22:31] <Kamilion> i think the fastest I've seen has been 12.8MB/sec
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[22:31] <Kamilion> oh, on the unirex card?
[22:32] <DoctorD90> no i mean
[22:32] <Kamilion> 6-7MB/sec while writing, about 25MB/sec when reading
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[22:34] <DoctorD90> you told me that to make a good self balancing i have to run a fast loop. My wordlist create reaches the 1:1 speed of my pc cores 1,3...so on rpi i have 700 loops x seconfùd...is not good enough?
[22:34] <Kamilion> uhh... speeds... managing data... clock speed? 700mhz, I think. I don't really know what other speeds you could be talking about.
[22:34] <Kamilion> oh
[22:34] <JakeSays> Kamilion: if i run a higher voltage with these motors i'll need fewer amps, right?
[22:35] <Kamilion> so your loop is recurring every ~14ms, is that correct?
[22:35] <Kamilion> a standalone ARM would be running that loop every 0.5ms
[22:35] <Kamilion> so more like 2000 loops x second
[22:35] <Kamilion> a faster arm like the teensy 3.1 would probably more like 10000 loops per second or, 0.1ms
[22:36] <Kamilion> at ~100Mhz
[22:36] <DoctorD90> i dont know...i just suppos. because i have to increase each of number/leer of the word
[22:36] <Kamilion> er, i should specify, something like a cortex M0 or M3
[22:36] <Kamilion> what?
[22:37] <DoctorD90> the numebr of loops i may reach on rpi
[22:37] * Kamilion looks at a PID algorithm
[22:37] <Kamilion> i don't think this is operating on word length
[22:37] <Kamilion> looks like it's byte length
[22:37] <DoctorD90> eh xD im waiting my phone->tablet connection load page xD
[22:37] <Kamilion> it's pretty rare to see things being done in words anymore
[22:38] <Kamilion> usually bytes or longs
[22:38] <Kamilion> or long longs.
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[22:39] <Kamilion> oh, I see, it IS done in words... since it's 12 bit, it can't fit into a byte, so they represent it using a word and using a couple bits as flags
[22:40] <Kamilion> the datasheet says this is a PWM LED controller.
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[22:42] <DoctorD90> 1.i have said that i have build up a program to generate wordlist for bruteforce. So at each loop it has X loops to increase each position andmcheck for reset and increase the next if it reach the end of possibilities (10 on 0-9 number)
[22:42] <Kamilion> i see no reason why you couldn't use it as a futaba-style PWM servo controller, since the electrial load isn't being drawn from the PWM pins.
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[22:43] <Kamilion> what? OH, sorry, totally misunderstood you
[22:43] <Kamilion> thought you were talking about the PWM controller
[22:43] <chiasmata> Kamilion: seems to be taking ages on gcc commands - is it taking a long time to compile things because of the slow processor?
[22:43] <Kamilion> a byte is 8 bits, a word is 16 bits, a long is 32bit, and a long long is 64bits.
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[22:44] <Kamilion> didn't realize you were not talking about the data type 'word'
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[22:44] <DoctorD90> 2. that runs on my pc at 1333 if i rember well, and cpu is 1,3ghz, so i think that on rpi, a loop in tcl more or less complicated takes the Hertz of cpu, 700 in rpi case, but i have to test ;P
[22:45] <Kamilion> ?
[22:45] <Kamilion> why don't you just use john?
[22:45] <Kamilion> or at least cracklib.
[22:45] <DoctorD90> about PWM board, it has to be out alimentated so i may aliment some motors.
[22:46] <DoctorD90> because password has some little 'rules' to be generated
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[22:46] <DoctorD90> like no more than 3 same letter number in all, and it it has no other char are allowed to be repeated
[22:47] <Kamilion> http://www.deer-run.com/~hal/sysadmin/pam_cracklib.html
[22:47] <DoctorD90> and in that period....i have spare time T.T
[22:47] <Kamilion> https://www.redhat.com/archives/psyche-list/2003-February/msg01014.html
[22:48] <Kamilion> enforcing password rules has been done in pam_cracklib for at least fifteen years.
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[22:49] <Kamilion> http://xmodulo.com/set-password-policy-linux.html
[22:49] <clever> managed to fry a charger, it was running 2 pi's, but now it cant even boot one
[22:49] <Kamilion> clemensv: lost one of the capacitors
[22:49] <Kamilion> at least one
[22:49] <Kamilion> heh
[22:50] <DoctorD90> no Kamilion my software generates pasword, like john, but keeping in mid some rules
[22:50] <Kamilion> like http://correcthorsebatterystaple.net ?
[22:50] <Kamilion> http://xkcd.com/936/
[22:51] <clever> i just use pwgen on linux
[22:51] <clever> Mai7iuc9 fayah1Oh Quaties5 yee3eePi aith1oSh ieL0aecu ahx6ooFe Thoh7tha
[22:51] <clever> it outputs about 10 lines of this
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[22:51] <JakeSays> i use sentences as pwd's
[22:51] <JakeSays> hard to crack, easy to remember
[22:51] <Kamilion> clever: wow, how do you remember that jibberish instead of something like what correct horse battery staple just gave me, "noble sister protection" ?
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[22:52] <DoctorD90> yes, but to generate a wanted wordlist of many houndred of lines
[22:52] <clever> ive run into a few systems that silently truncate your password when its too long
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[22:52] <DoctorD90> to run a bruteforce
[22:52] <clever> Kamilion: ive memorized about 2 of those, havent had to change things that often
[22:52] <JakeSays> clever: yeah. like windows :(
[22:52] <Kamilion> clever: oh yes, we've all run into microsoft's idiocy of hashing 7 characters, then hashing 7 characters for 14 total.
[22:52] <clever> only one is entered often, the rest are saved but also made similarly
[22:52] <DoctorD90> my gold age of wpa learning xD
[22:53] <clever> Kamilion: ive run into websites doing that
[22:53] <DoctorD90> no, i just have 2-3 pwd.....
[22:53] <Kamilion> DoctorD90: oh, so you're doing http://tools.kali.org/wireless-attacks/cowpatty
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[22:55] <DoctorD90> but all of them are hashed :D so i generated many pwd xD md5(123) xD sha1, sha256, and so on xD 2-3 pwd, and hash xD a great length of pwd, and easy to memorize :D
[22:55] <DoctorD90> yes
[22:55] <Kamilion> clever: ah, yeh, i use lastpass for all that stuff, but i cranked up the number of local rounds to 100000
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[22:55] <Kamilion> i never even see the password anyway
[22:55] <clever> Kamilion: yeah, pwgen handles the lastpass master, then lastpass handles the rest of things
[22:56] <Kamilion> can't disclose what I don't know. :D
[22:56] <Kamilion> i really really like my yubikey classic though
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[22:57] <clever> oh, ive also bound lastpass to my google authenticator
[22:57] <DoctorD90> btw......belong to you, Kamilion , that pwm board may manage an esc? to mamage a brushless motor?
[22:57] <clever> so even with the master pw, you cant get in
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[23:07] <Kamilion> clever: bound mine to my yubikey, i got the bundle with the lastpass subscription.
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[23:07] <JK-47> Anyone know a good battery pack ~2-4k mAh which will passthrough but keep the pi up on a short power failure? I dont want a huge ups. Just something small.
[23:08] <clever> Kamilion: i'm just using the software version of google auth on android
[23:08] <clever> it can run multiple instances of security tokens, so every service has its own key
[23:08] <Kamilion> DoctorD90: i see no reason why a PWM LED controller would fail to speak futaba-style PWM servo control. seems like it will work fine. but I've never built a quad before. I have worked with IMUs in the past though, responsible for keeping it upright
[23:09] <ali1234> Kamilion: all the PWM LED controllers I have seen can do it
[23:09] <Kamilion> so while i understand and have used many of the components apart, I have not personally used them together.
[23:09] <ali1234> you just have to pick the right frequency
[23:09] <Kamilion> ali1234: makes sense -- it's pretty much the same thing the futaba-style servo control is doing, iirc at 16khz
[23:09] <ali1234> i have seen LED controllers that don't appear to use PWM though, atl east not directly
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[23:10] <DoctorD90> :P the main thing is that i dont purchase a uselss staff due to my unknowledge :P
[23:10] <Kamilion> aye, voltage-based dimmers implimented by variable reistance.
[23:10] <ali1234> the piglow appears to use PWM, but internally somehow
[23:10] <Kamilion> DoctorD90: then I'd recommend you look at something purpouse specific, like a quadcopter controller based on a microcontroller platform that already impliments the major part you need to worry about: flight attitude control and correction.
[23:11] <ali1234> i haven;t tried connecting it to a scope
[23:11] <ali1234> but it seems to act as a variable current sink
[23:11] <ali1234> that is, it smoothes the signal somehow
[23:11] <DoctorD90> to run pwm on led, with that 3 pins, i have to connect gnd to gnd and led+ to pwm, rigth?
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[23:12] <DoctorD90> Kamilion: i will purchase many stuff from adafruit :P
[23:12] <Kamilion> that specific board looks like it is already set up to do servo control
[23:12] <Kamilion> http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__36674__q_brain_4_x_20a_brushless_quadcopter_esc_2_4s_3a_sbec.html
[23:12] <Kamilion> look around before you commit to purchase
[23:12] <DoctorD90> gyroscope, gps, temp, altimeter, pwm board, ans so on xP
[23:12] <Kamilion> yes, you can find all in one quadcopter boards that have all of those things
[23:12] <DoctorD90> surely!
[23:12] <Kamilion> or just some
[23:13] <Kamilion> i recommend partial implimentation on microcontroller
[23:13] <ali1234> another thing: LED controllers often only have 256 steps. maybe not enough for a servo... since that's greater than 1 degree if it has 360 degree range
[23:13] <Kamilion> gyro+full matrix IMU, altitude, barometric pressure, these things should be part of the quadcopter board.
[23:13] <Kamilion> GPS, cameras, this should be connected to the 'big brain', like pi
[23:14] <Kamilion> you want pi giving simple commands over a serial-type bus to the quadcopter controller. leave the motor control loops up to that controller.
[23:14] <ozzzy_> some quadcopter 'pilots' are in a world of hurt in the US
[23:14] <Kamilion> use the pi to do navigation
[23:15] <Kamilion> instruct the quadcopter board 'go this way, 10 meters' , allow the quadcopter board to work out completing that task.
[23:16] <Kamilion> http://www.instructables.com/id/Autonomous-Cardboard-Rasberry-Pi-Controlled-Quad/
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[23:17] <Kamilion> look around and you will find many design variations
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[23:19] <[Saint]> Look around you.
[23:19] <[Saint]> Look around you.
[23:19] <[Saint]> Look around you...
[23:19] <[Saint]> (goddamn that's a great series)
[23:20] <DoctorD90> Kamilion: what about that link?
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[23:20] <DoctorD90> it is just a 4X1 esc?
[23:20] * ozzzy_ needs to program a Pi-bot to bring him a whiskey/soda
[23:21] <[Saint]> carbonated whiskey - you heathen.
[23:21] <ozzzy_> whiskey needs water to open it up
[23:22] <[Saint]> water, sure.
[23:22] <[Saint]> carbonated water...notsomuch.
[23:22] <ozzzy_> good soda water is a fine thing... cheap soda water is just fizz
[23:22] <[Saint]> I prefer mine as Frank did. Two ice cubes, and let it "lay down" for a half hour.
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[23:22] <ozzzy_> yep... that works
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[23:23] <ozzzy_> I'm not patient enough
[23:23] <[Saint]> :)
[23:24] <mirana2s> how do you set noatime for the sdcard?
[23:24] <DoctorD90> Kamilion: thx! of all :)
[23:24] <[Saint]> it should be set by default.
[23:24] <[Saint]> mirana2s: ^
[23:25] <[Saint]> noatime has been a default for EXT filesystems for an age.
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[23:25] <DoctorD90> i have just to understand how sold led to that board to use pwm on 2 wire stuff xP to run first tests when i will purchase xD
[23:26] <mirana2s> [Saint]: oh, thank
[23:26] <mirana2s> s
[23:26] <ozzzy_> this is neat... Le Mans P1 cars have LED based headlights... there's no sensible flicker when you look at them... in super slo-mo you can watch the elements turning on/off in sequence
[23:27] <[Saint]> mirana2s: you might want to check 'mount' to be sure but noatime should be set as far as I'm aware.
[23:27] <[Saint]> unless you're in an ecryptfs container.
[23:28] <[Saint]> (and I don't know why for the latter, just a casual observation)
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[23:34] <tawr> hi [Saint]
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[23:37] <[Saint]> Man...if this dude's gonna start running an IV habit I'm gonna have to stop watching Mr. Robot.
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[23:38] <[Saint]> got the sweats. gah.
[23:48] <Roonix> Is it on right now?
[23:49] <Roonix> Or do you mean aposode 4?
[23:49] <Roonix> episode*
[23:49] <[Saint]> s01e04, yeah
[23:50] <[Saint]> addicts in recovery don't mix well with accurately depicted drug use.
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[23:50] <[Saint]> well...not this one.
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[23:53] <Roonix> ahh I see
[23:53] <Roonix> it's been a good series so far though, even if the main protagonist is just unlikable to me
[23:54] <[Saint]> I dislike him immensely myself.
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[23:54] <[Saint]> Too close to home.
[23:55] <[Saint]> ...'cept for the whole industrial espionage bit. y'know.
[23:55] <Roonix> :D
[23:56] <[Saint]> wildly insecure autist opiate addict however, that part checks out.
[23:58] <Roonix> I only have two of those problems <.< I'm not autistic...i think :D Though got myself addicted to tramadol and codeine :/
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[23:58] <Roonix> What opiates is it for you?
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[23:59] <Roonix> I've actually got rehab/councilling tomorrow

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