#raspberrypi IRC Log


IRC Log for 2015-07-20

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[0:03] <Stanto> Roonix: :) hope it goes well
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[0:03] <Roonix> :)
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[0:06] <[Saint]> "the big one"
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[0:06] <[Saint]> (trying to keep it vaguely family friendly - I think you can gather)
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[0:07] <Roonix> aye good point :)
[0:07] <[Saint]> I wish you well. I know it isn't easy.
[0:07] <Roonix> same
[0:07] <[Saint]> There's a foolish amount of us in these communities - but most are closeted.
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[0:12] <[Saint]> One thing that did puzzle me is the choice of the raspi as a discrete remote access device.
[0:12] <[Saint]> I mean, surely you would pick something that actually had (a) discrete radio(s)?
[0:13] <Roonix> radio? I thought they were just connecting it to the network via the air conditioning?
[0:13] <[Saint]> Otherwise "Oh, don't mind that CAT5e cable going behind that radiator panel folks...it's a fancy new Ethernet enabled radiator...yeah...that's what it is, mmmmhmmm"
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[0:15] <[Saint]> cable runs in a data center are going to be in an overhead racking system to keep them short.
[0:15] <[Saint]> ie. no patching in random devices.
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[0:16] <[Saint]> s/keep them short/keep them short and provide ready access so you can tone them to find the ends)
[0:17] <[Saint]> I've spent the better part of my later life in and out of data centers and I've never seen a layout that would allow for an alien device not being totally and immediately obvious to anyone.
[0:17] <[Saint]> someone would just be all like "Uhhhh...no, that shouldn't be there" near immediately.
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[0:19] <Roonix> aye, i imagine they're gunna use a lot of artistic license for this :D
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[0:22] <bitmaster> hey, quick question: I compiled my own kernel/filesystem including Qt5 with OpenGL ES 2 support for rpi2, everything is fine so far
[0:22] <bitmaster> now i'm trying to run an example (cube), and it does run (no errors), but it doesn't display anything on the screen
[0:22] <bitmaster> how can i gather more output to find out what is wrong?
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[0:28] <Berg> how many projects stopped because SF is down?
[0:28] <[Saint]> like...2
[0:29] <Berg> :)
[0:29] <[Saint]> However, several million malware packages won't be served today.
[0:29] <CoJaBo> lol
[0:29] <Berg> i spoce thats a bonus
[0:29] <[Saint]> :)
[0:29] <Roonix> bitmaster: are you testing it on X windows or the console?
[0:30] <Roonix> why id SF down anyways?
[0:30] <Roonix> is*
[0:31] <Berg> its broken
[0:32] <bitmaster> Roonix: no X, i only have dbus additionally, i'm starting it via telnet
[0:32] <CoJaBo> Berg: ..it wasn't broken before?
[0:32] <CoJaBo> :P
[0:32] <Berg> I did nothing honest
[0:32] <Berg> nothing
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[0:34] <[Saint]> Berg: you reminded me of this guy - and how old I am:
[0:34] <[Saint]> https://www.youtube.com/v/UmzsWxPLIOo
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[0:35] <Berg> i cant watch youtube vids
[0:35] <Berg> i blocked them as spyware
[0:36] <Berg> how old are ya?
[0:36] <CoJaBo> Berg: VLC ftw
[0:36] <[Saint]> youtube-dl https://www.youtube.com/v/UmzsWxPLIOo
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[0:36] <[Saint]> just pipes the raw stream to omxplayer
[0:36] <[Saint]> ftw
[0:37] <[Saint]> oop, probably wanna pass -g
[0:37] <[Saint]> anyhoo - youtube-dl is great.
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[0:39] <[Saint]> https://github.com/rg3/youtube-dl/blob/master/README.md#readme
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[0:39] <CoJaBo> For some reason, I could never get it to work, despite the fact that I think that's what VLC itself uses to play them lol
[0:40] <[Saint]> I use it for stripping mp3@320 audio streams out of 1080p audio uploads.
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[0:41] <[Saint]> or...errr...something something, not piracy.
[0:41] <[Saint]> (yeah - good save [Saint]...not :-S)
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[0:41] <[Saint]> Yeah, this /other/ guy I know did that, this one time.
[0:41] <Roonix> bitmaster: When you run "which qmake" in /opt/qt5 does it point to the right place; /usr/local/qt5/bin/qmake
[0:42] <bitmaster> Roonix: yeah well, i'm cross compiling and only copied the libs and "share" stuff to the rootfs
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[0:43] <Roonix> oh right my bad >.<
[0:44] <[Saint]> Roonix: it was Sgt. Shultz BTW - from Hogan's Heroes, doing his "I know nuthzing! I see nuthzing!" bit.
[0:44] <bitmaster> Roonix: the cube example does generate some output: "Unable to query physical screen size, defaulting to 100 dpi.", but then it just hangs as if it should work
[0:44] <[Saint]> and, ...old.
[0:44] <[Saint]> whoops - Berg rather.
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[0:47] <bitmaster> Roonix: maybe also interesting is that when i force to run the example with the qt linuxfb 'platform', it draws a white rectangle on 1/4th of the screen, and of course complains about it should actually run with eglfs
[0:49] <Roonix> bitmaster: Did you set your screen size in .bashrc?
[0:50] <bitmaster> nope! euhh one sec
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[0:52] <bitmaster> Roonix: to which env vars are you referring?
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[0:55] <Roonix> QT_QPA_EGLFS_PHYSICAL_WIDTH=whateveryourscreensizeisinmillemeters
[0:56] <Roonix> and QT_QPA_EGLFS_PHYSICAL_HEIGHT=whateveryourscreensizeisinmillemeters
[0:57] <Roonix> and QT_QPA_EGLFS_DEPTH=whateveryourscreensizeisinmillemeters
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[0:57] <Roonix> try adding them to .bashrc with "export"
[0:58] <bitmaster> Roonix: I just did, and that gets rid of the '100 dpi' warning, but sadly still no output on the screen
[0:58] <Roonix> :(
[0:59] <bitmaster> it shows the tty0 console, which remains responsive after running the example
[1:01] <bitmaster> i might forgot some important kernel option .. but i do have support for BCM2709 fb and even basic DRI support
[1:04] <Roonix> are you running it as root/sudo? try adding -E to sudo
[1:05] <bitmaster> it is based on busybox, i just have root :) but good suggestion
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[1:14] <Roonix> did you modify the call to "eglCreateWindowSurface"?
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[1:16] <Roonix> this needs to be done for i.mx6 i.e Wandboard
[1:16] <bitmaster> no, i have the default example... let me check
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[1:18] <bitmaster> Roonix: hmm there is no call to that or a similar function in this example
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[1:19] <bitmaster> best match is a QSurfaceFormat
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[1:52] <bitmaster> Roonix: YEAH!! it works :D
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[1:53] <bitmaster> my bad, sorry for bothering :P i copied too few libs, most likely from the videocore driver
[1:54] <bitmaster> now i just did a "just copy everything" and it worked!
[1:54] <bitmaster> really damn nice man! now i can finally go to sleep :)
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[1:59] <bitmaster> Roonix: thanks again!
[1:59] <bitmaster> bye
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[2:32] <nbastin> anyone have any suggestions for a high quality USB wifi dongle?
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[2:32] <nbastin> I have the edimax and they're crap
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[2:33] <ellenpaopatine> Hello I was wondering if anyone could help me with some code posted by davespice https://gist.github.com/astro-charles/d8f1ae89c5298b026a18
[2:33] <ellenpaopatine> I was wondering where that I2C_SLAVE number comes from I have no idea
[2:33] <ellenpaopatine> 0x0703 ?!?!? what do?
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[2:34] <nbastin> ellenpaopatine: it's the device address
[2:34] <ellenpaopatine> okay? so how did davespice find that device address?
[2:35] <ellenpaopatine> is it specified somehwere in the datasheet?
[2:35] <ellenpaopatine> I've looked through the HTU21D datasheet and there is no number like that
[2:35] <ellenpaopatine> only the I2C address
[2:35] <ellenpaopatine> not this SLAVE
[2:35] <nbastin> http://www.totalphase.com/support/articles/200349176-7-bit-8-bit-and-10-bit-I2C-Slave-Addressing
[2:36] <nbastin> you';ll have to figure it out for your device from some info the vendor gives you, or probe your bus for it
[2:37] <nbastin> on the rpi there's probably an i2cdetect binary
[2:37] <nbastin> depending on your distribution
[2:37] <Berg> :)
[2:37] <Berg> <---the borg
[2:37] <ellenpaopatine> Ohhhh okay !
[2:37] <ellenpaopatine> Hey the borg!
[2:38] <Berg> got a answer?
[2:38] <nbastin> (on raspbian you can apt-get install i2c-tools)
[2:38] <ellenpaopatine> yea I was using i2cdetect and that gives me the device address but not this i2c_slave address
[2:38] <ellenpaopatine> I believe is also provided in here
[2:38] <ellenpaopatine> awesome thank you!
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[2:38] <ellenpaopatine> check this out
[2:38] <ellenpaopatine> https://www.raspberrypi.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/BCM2835-ARM-Peripherals.pdf
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[2:40] <nbastin> anyhow, if anyone has any opinions on wifi adapters that work.. :-)
[2:40] <tpw_rules> has anybody found a 5ghz wifi dongle which supports AP mode that they liked? googling seems to say there are slim pickings
[2:40] <nbastin> tpw_rules: I can't really find any that work at all, let alone in AP mode
[2:41] <tpw_rules> i have one with an rtl8188cus chip that works fine. it was like $5 from china and a billion people make it
[2:41] <ellenpaopatine> nbastian try edimax!
[2:41] <tpw_rules> unfortunately it seems none of the pocket ones support 5ghz
[2:42] <nbastin> I have a ton of edimax ones, they suck
[2:42] <nbastin> they're fine if you want to ssh or something, but they can't push any kind of throughput
[2:42] <nbastin> it's very unreliable
[2:42] <tpw_rules> that's probably pretty common. really tiny antenna + usb connection + perhaps not enough wattage from the π + software slowness
[2:42] <ellenpaopatine> hmmm
[2:42] <tpw_rules> mine couldn't ever do more than a megabyte per second
[2:43] <nbastin> the software slowness in general isn't the problem - switching to ethernet supports a 60-70 megabit stream easily
[2:43] <nbastin> I can't get the edimax to support anything reasonable, plus it's very bursty
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[2:43] <nbastin> even right next to the AP
[2:43] <nbastin> so it's a problem with the adapter, not really a reception problem
[2:44] <nbastin> we tried a bunch of USB hubs for more power, etc., no real help
[2:44] <nbastin> (slightly better, but doesn't solve the connection instability)
[2:44] <tpw_rules> mine had really bad stability on windows
[2:44] <tpw_rules> it could just be the $5ness
[2:45] <nbastin> sure, I'd be happy to pay more if someone had a good suggestion.. :-)
[2:45] <Berg> would the lack of external signals help the wifi?
[2:45] <tpw_rules> that's my jam too
[2:45] <Berg> i live in a unpopulated area
[2:45] <nbastin> we stuck both of them in a faraday cage we use for cell testing, it didn't matter
[2:45] <Berg> my wifi runs like a charm
[2:45] <Berg> hmm
[2:45] <nbastin> I mean it's totally fine for browsing or ssh or whatnot
[2:45] <nbastin> but I'm trying to stream 20+ mbps of SDR feed nonstop
[2:46] <tpw_rules> i don't think that's ever really going to work
[2:46] <nbastin> the ethernet handles this easily, but the pi is outside...
[2:46] <Berg> yeah i never did that much work with it
[2:46] <nbastin> so I'd rather not run the cable if I didn't have to
[2:46] <tpw_rules> one of those power line dongles?
[2:46] <nbastin> it's on a wire right now working like a dream, so I know it works fine in general
[2:46] <nbastin> yeah, that might be a thought...I wonder where that outside power circuit comes from...
[2:47] <tpw_rules> to be honest, i don't think it'd be possible to get 20mbps from really any wifi dongle
[2:48] <nbastin> clearly some wifi chipsets work fine. :-)
[2:48] <tpw_rules> well how do you know that
[2:48] <nbastin> well my ipad and laptop have fantastic throughput, same with a ton of other devices...
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[2:48] <nbastin> so we know good chips exist
[2:48] <tpw_rules> can you stand next to the π outside and get 20mbps?
[2:49] <tpw_rules> over a wireless-g connection
[2:49] <nbastin> I can get over 200Mbps from my laptop in the same location
[2:49] <tpw_rules> then you're not using wireless g
[2:49] <tpw_rules> n with all that fancy mimo crap
[2:49] <nbastin> no it's n, but the adapter is too
[2:49] <nbastin> I mean 20 is well within the facility of g
[2:49] <tpw_rules> it's only 2.4ghz n (my problem), that caps it at 150 i believe
[2:50] <nbastin> I'd expect it to top out around 30, maybe 26
[2:50] <tpw_rules> well the point is sure, but who would ever trust those numbers. what chip is it?
[2:50] <nbastin> either way I'd expect to get a hell of lot more than 1, and the problem really is the instability of the connection
[2:50] <nbastin> the edimax is the 8188 I think
[2:51] <nbastin> in theory it can use both 20 and 40Mhz bandwith, which would near top out N
[2:52] <ali1234> do you get errors on dmesg when heavily using the wifi?
[2:52] <nbastin> but anyhow, if there's something better we'd be happy to use it... :-)
[2:52] <nbastin> not really
[2:52] <tpw_rules> can your router tell you what speed they negotiated?
[2:53] <nbastin> the rtl8188cus driver says 112 I think
[2:53] <ali1234> because i did, and i found that using a 6" USb extension cable made the errors stop
[2:53] <nbastin> (I've got it unplugged right now)
[2:53] <nbastin> hrm, we plugged it into a hub - you think moving it physically further away from all power or something
[2:53] <nbastin> ?
[2:53] <ali1234> i don't know the reason why but i have a few different theories
[2:53] <nbastin> I've got a USB extension somewhere I can try
[2:54] <ali1234> it could be RF interference in either direction
[2:54] <ali1234> or it could be something to do with the power. most of these things actually run at 3.3v and have a tiny regulator in them
[2:54] <nbastin> ...a usb extension that I plugged into itself and now can't get apart...
[2:54] <ali1234> a linear one, because they are smaller... but they also generate more heat
[2:55] <ali1234> putting an extension inline would cause a slight voltage drop, which means that regulator is going to generate less heat
[2:55] <ali1234> but really i have no idea why it works
[2:55] <nbastin> it's worth a shot
[2:55] <ali1234> i should try it with a hub instead of the extension, that would rule out the voltage theory
[2:55] <nbastin> barring someone suggesting a dongle they love
[2:56] <ali1234> also, it's not just me that has noticed this, i got this tip from the forums
[2:56] <nbastin> well we used the hub under the theory it was maybe *under* powered
[2:56] <ali1234> possible but unlikely
[2:56] <nbastin> well it didn't help, so yeah.. :-)
[2:56] <ali1234> if it's like mine it will run fine off anything down to like 4V
[2:57] <ali1234> the pi will get unhappy long before that
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[2:58] <ali1234> i am using a Ralink Technology, Corp. RT5370 Wireless Adapter
[2:58] <ali1234> it does AP mode, dunno if it does N though
[2:58] <ali1234> and it works fine as long as it's on some kind of extension
[2:59] <ali1234> i use it to stream live h264 from the pi camera with gstreamer over rtsp
[2:59] <nbastin> I don't need AP for my purposes, so that's ok
[2:59] <nbastin> well that'
[2:59] <nbastin> is at least similar to my workflow
[2:59] <ali1234> i use AP mode because it's part of a remote controlled car
[3:00] <SyncYourDogmas> What's the range on that?
[3:00] <ali1234> not great... about 20m in open space
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[3:00] <ali1234> mainly because it's such a tiny dongle
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[3:01] <SyncYourDogmas> Similar to blue tooth then. I have a 12 dBi antenna :p
[3:01] <ali1234> yes, but greater bandwidth
[3:02] <SyncYourDogmas> That I don't really need but looks cool
[3:02] <SyncYourDogmas> Yeah also blue tooth is crap in general
[3:02] <ali1234> i was thinking of taking it to pi wars
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[3:03] <SyncYourDogmas> Is that what it sounds like?
[3:03] <ali1234> robot wars with raspberry pi yes
[3:03] <SyncYourDogmas> Pis fighting each other?
[3:03] <SyncYourDogmas> Awesome!
[3:03] <ali1234> no, they don't have that
[3:03] <nbastin> I am never getting this usb extension apart...
[3:04] <ali1234> http://piwars.org/
[3:04] <SyncYourDogmas> No :(
[3:04] <[Saint]> Interesting definition of war.
[3:05] <SyncYourDogmas> Someone needs to set up battlepis
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[3:07] <nbastin> woo gotit
[3:07] <nbastin> got it, even
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[3:09] <nbastin> well I'll be damned...
[3:10] <nbastin> will let it run for a while, but 100% stream so far
[3:10] <nbastin> it usually is already buffering up bad by now
[3:10] <ali1234> crazy
[3:10] <ali1234> i'd love to know why this works
[3:10] <ali1234> it's completely counter-intuitive
[3:10] <nbastin> well...
[3:10] <nbastin> so I might believe the pi is a significant RF source
[3:11] <nbastin> the resistance of the cable is interesting, but less likely I think
[3:11] <SyncYourDogmas> What's counterintuitive?
[3:11] <ali1234> that inserting a passive piece of wire into the system changes it's behaviour
[3:12] <nbastin> I mean, not just a little change either.. :-)
[3:12] <ali1234> yes, it changes the behaviour from not working -> working
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[3:12] <nbastin> I may need to set in a stock of usb extension cables...
[3:13] <SyncYourDogmas> What did you do, move the adapter away from the pi?
[3:14] <nbastin> yeah
[3:14] <nbastin> I mean, we've moved it before into a hub
[3:14] <nbastin> which didn't help at all
[3:14] <nbastin> but just hanging it off a cable does
[3:14] <ali1234> give it a while
[3:14] <nbastin> yeah, we'll see
[3:14] <SyncYourDogmas> The amount of power in the pi is tiny, I doubt it's rf. Wifi is odd like that
[3:14] <ali1234> could be heat related and it just cooled down while you were looking for that cable
[3:15] <nbastin> maybe although it never worked well at all
[3:15] <nbastin> this is at least progress
[3:15] <nbastin> ssh is much nicer too
[3:15] <SyncYourDogmas> If my flatmate stands in a doorway there's a huge boost
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[3:15] <nbastin> it buffers a tiny bit more with wifi than ethernet, but that's not unexpected
[3:15] <nbastin> it used to get stuck to the point of buffering megabytes and then dying
[3:16] <nbastin> Link Quality=100/100 Signal level=69/100 Noise level=0/100
[3:16] <nbastin> is a lot better than it ever was before
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[3:16] <SyncYourDogmas> What protocol are you using? I would just use udp
[3:17] <nbastin> the stream is tcp...udp would drop too many packets
[3:17] <SyncYourDogmas> If the position is changing all the time
[3:17] <nbastin> (or we'd have to have flow control in the app, which would be the same anyhow)
[3:17] <ali1234> nbastin: look at rtp, it's the best of both worlds
[3:17] <nbastin> oh, ali's app is different from mine...
[3:17] <ali1234> rtsp sorry
[3:17] <ali1234> i use UDP for the control signals
[3:18] <SyncYourDogmas> But the information would be out of date by the time it's sent?
[3:18] <nbastin> rtsp doesn't actually send the stream though
[3:18] <ali1234> right
[3:18] <SyncYourDogmas> Ah alright
[3:18] <nbastin> (our data is all timestamped, if arrives 10s later that's fine)
[3:18] <nbastin> it's all ADS-B data, so I want all the data, I don't care if it's delaye
[3:18] <nbastin> d
[3:18] <ali1234> the stream is sent on UDP, RTSP handles flow control
[3:18] <ali1234> oh ADS-B... why not decode it on the Pi?
[3:19] <ali1234> and then just stream the decoded data which is tiny
[3:19] <nbastin> we might, right now we're just streaming the entire I/Q and storing it
[3:19] <ali1234> yeah that's going to use a lot of bandwidth :)
[3:19] <nbastin> it's a research project for analyzing attack vectors, so we want to be able to screw with the radio data before it gets passed into a decoder if necessary
[3:19] <nbastin> archiving it solves that problem.. :-)
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[3:20] <nbastin> I mean UDP won't really solve the underlying problem if we have loss - if we have loss we have loss and it's either not so much to screw with the feed, or it's too much and we're hosed regardless of the flow control in use...
[3:21] <SyncYourDogmas> Well you could implement parts of tcp,not the whole thing
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[3:22] <nbastin> TCP isn't really increasing our overhead, if that's the thought?
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[3:22] <ali1234> it boils down to whether you want lost packets to be retransmitted or just skipped
[3:22] <nbastin> window size is pretty small to get retransmits within our buffer
[3:23] <ali1234> if you want them skipped use UDP
[3:23] <nbastin> right, we want them to be retransmitted
[3:23] <SyncYourDogmas> There's forward error correction, not sure how useful. Why bother with ip at all?
[3:23] <nbastin> unlike say some kind of audio/viddeo stream
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[3:23] <ali1234> if you want them retransmitted you can use TCP, but the catch is no more packets will be transmitted until the lost one finally goes through
[3:23] <ali1234> if that's a problem then you can roll your own transmission control
[3:24] <ali1234> which handles out of order packets
[3:24] <ali1234> but you probably dont need that either
[3:24] <ali1234> can you guys see https://photos.google.com/album/AF1QipPXsF-exVgyqs-ZHwZcPBy2wQjzG0q0em4N2rdi
[3:24] <nbastin> if we lose so many packets that we can't buffer through retransmissions, we're basically screwed either way
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[3:25] <SyncYourDogmas> I wonder how much bandwidth is saved sticking to layer 2. I might mees around with scapy
[3:25] <nbastin> (sure, in some isolated spike maybe you can fix it, but if it's a persistent condition you're hosed)
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[3:26] <SyncYourDogmas> Actually bandwidth should be negligible
[3:26] <SyncYourDogmas> Latency though. ..
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[3:28] <nbastin> your higher layer protocol shouldn't have an adverse effect on latency (unless your flow control is...broken)
[3:30] <nbastin> I mean, the linux tcp stack is not exactly a picture of efficiency, and it's not like the rpi has a chipset with offload, but that's not that important to this application for the microseconds you could save
[3:31] <nbastin> ali1234: thanks for the tip, it seems ok still....will be nice to be able to remove that 50ft ethernet cable.. :-)
[3:31] <nbastin> I will unplug it...perhaps not pull the run just yet.. :-)
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[3:40] <Broly> will uname -r report the remnants of the headers on the system, even if you set the config.txt to boot with a kernel.img that's newer?
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[3:45] <Broly> i got 4.1 to boot into the gui of ubuntu mate :D
[3:45] <Broly> but after a restart the gui is so borked i can't do anything
[3:45] <Broly> usb works :D :D
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[3:46] <ali1234> uname -r only communicates with the kernel
[3:46] <ali1234> uname in general in fact
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[3:47] <Broly> i wish it was easier to make the partition tables like rasbpian/ubuntu mate
[3:47] <Broly> it's such a chore for me atm (on osx)
[3:48] <SyncYourDogmas> Tcps handshake and cumulative acks slow it down, and aren't needed anyway
[3:48] <SyncYourDogmas> No congestion on local lan
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[3:49] <SyncYourDogmas> I might try it out
[3:49] <SyncYourDogmas> Or just Google it
[3:49] <nbastin> ? no congestion on local lan...
[3:49] * nbastin is confused
[3:50] <Broly> it seems there aer some issues with bcm47xx just overall
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[3:50] <SyncYourDogmas> Congestion being full buffers
[3:50] <Broly> they seem to make us rely on using their object file built-in.o and it has issues (specifically the timer), that requires you to uncomment one thing so that you can use some generic thing
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[3:51] <SyncYourDogmas> That's what acks detect
[3:51] <nbastin> no, they detect lost packets
[3:51] <nbastin> not deferred ones
[3:51] <nbastin> and on wifi, as a shared medium, you will have lost packets
[3:51] <Broly> Bain Capital’s Brookside Capital Management Llc have 4.61% of their stock portfolio invested in the company for 4.25 million shares.
[3:51] <Broly> Read more: http://www.octafinance.com/cindy-fiorillo-broadcom-corporation-nasdaqbrcms-insider-unloaded-10501-shares/49599/#ixzz3gOOCAosq
[3:51] <Broly> fucking mitt
[3:51] <Broly> i hate him so much
[3:51] <nbastin> link layer congestion be damned
[3:52] <Broly> first he tries to highjack the commonwealth
[3:52] <SyncYourDogmas> Yeah but tcp interprets dropped packets as congestion when it's not. If your signal is bad the last thing you want to do is send less data
[3:53] <Broly> now he Romneys the support for a9 embedded stuff (romneying someone is like screwing them,but worse)
[3:53] <SyncYourDogmas> Hence snoopntcp, indirect tcp etc
[3:53] <nbastin> if you're in a cooperative environment you indeed want to back off, but in the case of wifi this is handled at the link layer before tcp is ever involved
[3:53] <nbastin> if a drop percolates up the stack, then it probably is best for tcp to back off the window size
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[3:54] <nbastin> if you don't want TCP to do this you can of course tune the stack in 800 different ways
[3:56] <SyncYourDogmas> Why? Sending less data doesn't help the timing. Its why there's huge amounts of research into variants atm. lookup snoop tcp and indirect tcp
[3:56] <nbastin> sending less data helps if there really are drops caused by overutilization
[3:56] <nbastin> if they're not, then you tune your stack differently
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[3:56] <nbastin> no single tcp configuration is a one-size-fits-all solution
[3:57] <nbastin> and of course the presumption here is that you want reliable transport in the first place
[3:57] <SyncYourDogmas> I cba arguing, but its being fundamentally changed, next few years
[3:58] <nbastin> tcp has evolved for decades, it will continue to do so
[3:58] <nbastin> I'm not sure why you think that the normal operation is somehow bad
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[3:59] <nbastin> win 11
[3:59] <nbastin> bah
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[4:09] <tawr> woo
[4:09] <tawr> time to loadtest further my ruggedberry
[4:11] <tawr> wooo
[4:11] <tawr> hitting 70C
[4:11] <tawr> 74C
[4:11] <nbastin> speaking of rugged...
[4:11] <[Saint]> 6C off thermal throttle - oh oh.
[4:11] <tawr> 75c
[4:11] <nbastin> anyone have a weatherproof enclosure they like for their rpi?
[4:11] <tawr> 76.7.. lol
[4:11] <tawr> yes nbastin
[4:11] <[Saint]> 5...and countin.
[4:11] <[Saint]> 10 more and it'll fall over.
[4:11] <tawr> 77.6 [Saint]
[4:12] <[Saint]> 8.4... ;p
[4:12] <tawr> hovering around 76.6
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[4:12] <tawr> hit 78 for a second right when the compiling finished, dropped 3 degrees instantly
[4:12] <[Saint]> that's a very small margin of leeway between function/throttle/shutdown.
[4:12] <nbastin> tawr: you have a heatsink on the cpu?
[4:13] <nbastin> also what's that enclosure.. :-)
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[4:13] <[Saint]> a heatsync won't do shit all unless you drastically improve the airflow and thus ruin the ruggedization.
[4:13] <tawr> nbastin: quite the opposite. it's in an rpi2 case with just a few holes in the back where the sdcard goes, but otherwise sealed up, inside a fully waterproof pelican 1200 case with: rtl-SDR, 100mw usb radio, bluetooth, hub, 15w ac adapter. 3 bulkhead mounts are sealed up
[4:14] <[Saint]> well...that explains the heat.
[4:14] <tawr> so the entire thing has a lot of heat just sitting in it. it idles around ~65C running an ircbot, this tmux'd weechat, ssh/ftp/webserver
[4:14] <nbastin> [Saint]: it depends...depending on the airflow you already have more surface area might be a lot better
[4:14] <[Saint]> you've pretty much made this thing largely useless.
[4:14] <nbastin> tawr: well that's basically what I need...I've got an sdr and an rpi, just need a gasket out for the cabling
[4:14] <[Saint]> if it sees even fairly aggressive usage it'll die in a matter of minutes.
[4:14] <tawr> how exactly [Saint] ? i was compiling with -j5 on top of everything else
[4:15] <tawr> it's a WIP, [Saint]
[4:15] <[Saint]> you're in single digits away from thermal shutdown.
[4:15] <[Saint]> That is Not A Good Thing.
[4:15] <[Saint]> You've got ~8C leeway to play with.
[4:15] <tawr> i'm searching for heatpipe setup. the big heat things are the ac adapter and the SDR
[4:16] <ali1234> well the trick is to use a metal box and thermally couple your heatsink to it
[4:16] <nbastin> minus the lightning problem...
[4:16] <ali1234> lightning? yeah there's nothing you can do about that
[4:16] <tawr> ali1234: i like pelican cases
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[4:17] <tawr> nbastin: here i have a gallery
[4:17] <tawr> it has metal bulkhead fittings for the BNC for the 18" telescoping sdr antenna and a rp-sma for usb wifi1 (still waiting on an adapter for my 2w radio)
[4:17] <nbastin> I do as well...1200 seems a little overkill for my use case, you're putting more stuff in it
[4:17] <tawr> i love my ac adapter bulkhead fitting through
[4:18] <tawr> http://goo.gl/hQXHWH
[4:18] <tawr> oh yeah, also have a ~12h UPS system in it
[4:18] <tawr> 5500mah usb battery pack that has 'pass-through'. so usb-in goes to the usb power pack -> rpi2. i can yank input power, and it switches to battery power fast enough nothing reboots/hiccups
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[4:19] <tawr> nbastin: well, i had this 1200 laying around after updating my truck FA-kit
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[4:20] <nbastin> was thinking something more like those telecom/electrical-style outdoor enclosures
[4:21] <nbastin> (which happens to come with the extra appeal that the cognitive reaction of normal people is not to mess with them)
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[4:21] <tawr> yeah. i just had this laying around and have been wanting to make something like this for a while. i sourced a nice flatscreen display, but it's VGA so i've been looking for a small / low power adapter to put it in the lid
[4:21] <nbastin> tawr: yeah, I've actually got a slightly bigger one around that I was using to carry around a mini-itx box...
[4:22] <tawr> oh nice, any pics?
[4:22] <nbastin> no, alt6hough it's making a lovely monitor stand right now...
[4:22] <nbastin> I could use that one
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[4:23] <tawr> the screen? it's pretty small
[4:24] <nbastin> I have been separately fighting with one of those eleduino hdmi touchscreens...
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[4:55] <SyncYourDogmas> nbastin: I'm on here a lot, I'll chat tomorrow about it if you wan
[4:55] <SyncYourDogmas> Want
[4:55] <SyncYourDogmas> Its just almost 4 here I'm knackered
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[4:55] <nbastin> SyncYourDogmas: I mean I guess it would help if I understood your application.. :-)
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[4:56] <SyncYourDogmas> Tomorrow!
[4:56] <nbastin> :-)
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[4:57] <SyncYourDogmas> I need to think of what to use my piglow for
[4:58] <SyncYourDogmas> Signal strength ram and cpu perhaps
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[4:58] <SyncYourDogmas> Not very original though
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[5:14] <nbastin> ali1234: still working pretty well... :-)
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[5:15] <nbastin> it has at partciularly problematic moments buffered somewhere between 500K and 1MB, but that is a far cry from the 400-500MB it was doing before
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[5:44] <tawr> okay this is weird
[5:44] <tawr> i updated weechat and now my ident is "ubuntu" even though i'm on debian.. wtf?
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[5:58] <tjcarter> Just wondering, does the prehistoric version of the Arduino IDE in Raspbian support the Uno R3 or just the Uno? ;)
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[5:59] <tawr> it's the same
[5:59] <tjcarter> I dunno if I want to try pushing this thing up to jessie again--it didn't work well last time.
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[6:00] <tawr> tjcarter: you know you dont need the ide right?
[6:00] <tawr> tjcarter: you can program them directly, read the serial port, and even compile (like with Arduino Makefiles) without the ide
[6:00] <tjcarter> tawr: I know, but I've never done arduino stuff
[6:01] <tjcarter> once I have a clue what I'm doing, I'll start doing it with my preferred command line setup
[6:01] <tawr> so what is the problem exactly? or what exactly are you trying to accomplish?
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[6:03] <tjcarter> At the moment? int led=13;void setup(){pinMode(led,OUTPUT);}void loop(){digitalWrite(led,HIGH);delay(1000);digitalWrite(led,LOW);delay(1000);}
[6:04] <tawr> so, what is the problem then?
[6:04] <tjcarter> Never done any hardware hacking at all really, though I basically understand it as I used to write driver-level stuff back in the day.
[6:04] <tjcarter> There may not be one.
[6:05] <tjcarter> trying to preemptively solve all of the "it doesn't work" issues
[6:06] <SyncYourDogmas> tawr: about your heating issues earlier, you could water cool it, or immerse it in oil or something!
[6:06] <tjcarter> I basically gave up on my last project--bluetooth--because wheezy's bluetooth stuff is just not stable
[6:06] <tawr> heh SyncYourDogmas
[6:07] <tawr> what I want to do is find a small heatsink - heatpipe - heatsink setup. i remember seeing one from a youtube video meant for pcs. it had 2 hoses, the copper slab for the computer side, then a heatsink at the other end
[6:08] <tawr> i could hard mount the heatsink on the backside where it's protected, then run it inside, but i haven't been able to find it :(
[6:08] <tawr> I just put my squirrel cage blower that does 500cfm sitting face-down on it to see how low i can get it. lol
[6:09] <SyncYourDogmas> What are you doing to heat it up, just hot climate?
[6:09] <SyncYourDogmas> Lol, get a usb fan
[6:10] <Broly> just LEMME PLAY
[6:10] <SyncYourDogmas> And your case . Just opening your link now
[6:10] <tawr> SyncYourDogmas: uhm
[6:10] <tawr> it's waterproof, so that doesn't work
[6:11] <SyncYourDogmas> Fair point
[6:11] <tawr> i wanted that heatpipe setup, i can mount the heatsink on the outside of the case, run the heatpipe through the wall of the case, waterproof it
[6:11] <tawr> then have the inside. i could have a fan on both sides to help cool. that way it stays waterproof / sealed
[6:12] <SyncYourDogmas> So use convection and radiation
[6:13] <tawr> err, obviously
[6:13] <SyncYourDogmas> Just trying to sound clever
[6:14] <SyncYourDogmas> Mind Linking it again, I still haven't seen it and I've lost the link
[6:16] <tawr> i've been racking my brain for weeks now trying to find that computer cooler
[6:16] <tawr> it was on some super high end gaming pc build that won an award
[6:16] <tawr> it's a big heatsink/fan assy, then 2 pipes that are flexible, then the block that mounts to the processor
[6:17] <tawr> when there's not enough room for water cooling or a large heatsink directly over the proc
[6:17] <SyncYourDogmas> I meant your pi, still haven't seen it
[6:18] <tawr> http://goo.gl/hQXHWH
[6:18] <tawr> just something i threw together. i've been wanting to do something like that for a long time
[6:18] <SyncYourDogmas> Might be worth asking ##hardware and toms hardware if you haven't already
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[6:20] <SyncYourDogmas> Pretty cool
[6:21] <SyncYourDogmas> And bigger then I was expecting
[6:21] <tawr> it's not that large
[6:21] <tawr> it's maybe 8"x10"x4"
[6:21] <tawr> i think
[6:21] <tawr> sec, looking it up
[6:22] <tawr> 10.62"x9.68"x4.87" outside dimensions
[6:22] <tawr> interior is 9"x7"
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[6:23] <SyncYourDogmas> Have you got a webservice for it, or just a local api? And are there two wifi adapters or is one more exotic
[6:24] <tawr> there will be 2 wifi adapters, right now there is just 1 wifi (100mw / high gain / full pi/promisc) and a rtl-sdr
[6:25] <tawr> the sdr is the big 18" telescoping antenna (bnc)
[6:29] <tjcarter> w00t, I have hello world working on my arduino :)
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[6:29] <tjcarter> no not just blinking an LED on and off at 1 second intervals
[6:29] <tjcarter> My arduino is actually blinking "hello world"
[6:30] <tjcarter> <-- ham ;)
[6:30] <tawr> haha nice tjcarter
[6:30] <tawr> tell me you have a sdr on your pi
[6:30] <tjcarter> not yet
[6:31] <tawr> grab a cheap rtlsdr
[6:31] <tawr> :)_
[6:31] <tjcarter> I've only had my v2 Pi for about a weel and I've been having trouble with things like bluetooth and trying to run jessie and whatnot
[6:32] <tjcarter> so I figured I'd do something achievable: I'd shove a generic $7 arduino clone I'm not afraid to fry into it and make it do something cool.
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[6:34] <tjcarter> Admittedly the code's not very efficient. I just set dotLength to 100ms and taught it to blink dots, dashes, character separators, word separators, and then taught it what some characters were.
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[6:40] <SyncYourDogmas> Tawr 100mw is 30 dbi, christ is that right?
[6:41] <SyncYourDogmas> Im fading out but up for chatting later about it,peace
[6:41] <SyncYourDogmas> I realise it depends on location btw, just going from what Google says
[6:41] <tawr> SyncYourDogmas: yup
[6:42] <tawr> it's my baby one
[6:42] <tawr> i have a 2w i'm waiting for another bulkhead mount for
[6:42] <SyncYourDogmas> I thought my 12 was good
[6:42] <SyncYourDogmas> Why two adapters ?
[6:42] <tawr> reasons :)
[6:42] <SyncYourDogmas> Lol
[6:43] <tawr> tjcarter: that's how we learn bud, you're doing good
[6:43] <tawr> many people buy arduinos and rpi's and turn them on a few times the first week, then they sit in a box
[6:44] <Kamilion> <.<
[6:44] <tjcarter> tawr: I just figured it was easier to risk frying a $7 arduino copy than a still somewhat rare $35 Pi2
[6:45] <Kamilion> I've amassed... oh, man. Four A10s, a cubieboard2 a20, three odroid-ws, a c1, a pi2, umm... some really small atoms...
[6:45] <Kamilion> i can't even count how many other microcontrollers like the LPC1768 boards and MBED and arduino clones I've got.
[6:45] <tjcarter> If I had a 40 pin GPIO buffering/protection board to work with, I might be more encouraged to dink directly with the Pi
[6:46] <Kamilion> and... I just can't seem to win the fight with C for the smaller MCUs.
[6:47] <tawr> Kamilion: maybe more work on C and less buying toys ;P
[6:47] <tawr> although the esp8266 getting node
[6:47] <Kamilion> nah, that's why i turned to python
[6:47] <tawr> opened up a HUGE world
[6:47] <tawr> can't python little mcu's :(
[6:47] <Kamilion> and the esp8266 has a micropython3 build.
[6:48] <tawr> is it as nice as nodemcu or the arduino stuff now?
[6:48] <Kamilion> https://learn.adafruit.com/building-and-running-micropython-on-the-esp8266
[6:48] <Broly> sad
[6:48] <Broly> 'micropython'
[6:48] <Kamilion> what's sad about a small bytecode interpreter?
[6:48] <Kamilion> it's not like you can pack the entire stdlib in.
[6:48] <Broly> python is gay
[6:48] <Kamilion> that's nice for python.
[6:48] <Broly> for real systems, you use c
[6:48] <Broly> micropython
[6:49] <Broly> my goodness. size constraints? answer: strip down a scripting language
[6:49] <Broly> slap you
[6:49] <Broly> lazy shit
[6:49] <Kamilion> Have fun managing your own memory.
[6:49] <Kamilion> I've got better things to do.
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[6:49] <Broly> i do write programs that manage their own memory, yes. what is so hard about allocation?
[6:49] <Kamilion> that's why I throw a bigger micro at the problem.
[6:49] <Broly> infact, i use BLAS and thread it
[6:49] <Kamilion> doing it dynamically when you don't know what's coming in.
[6:49] <Broly> so, i'm putting that shit down and reversing it
[6:50] <Broly> i'm done here for now. micropython
[6:50] * Broly shakes his head
[6:50] <Kamilion> hm, so, how many times you written your own string library, eh?
[6:50] <Kamilion> or do you use boost?
[6:50] <Kamilion> *G*
[6:50] <Broly> i said i'm done here, dummy. i use intel MKL. boost lol
[6:50] <tawr> lol /me gets his asbestos underwear on
[6:50] <Kamilion> look, i could go on all night about a fourty five year old programming language's quirks.
[6:51] <Broly> SO SHUT UP
[6:51] <Kamilion> No, that'd be scala or lisp.
[6:51] <Kamilion> maybe erlang.
[6:51] <Kamilion> definitely not C.
[6:51] <Kamilion> Python's a good runner up though
[6:51] <Broly> spoken like someone who likes to opine and philosophize at the expense of real productivity and results
[6:51] <Kamilion> considering if you need C, it's there, either through FFI or ctypes.
[6:51] <Kamilion> for example, I use scrypt's c extension.
[6:52] <Broly> k guys i'm done here, let him keep talking
[6:52] <Kamilion> and uwsgi's all C.
[6:52] <Kamilion> It has it's place.
[6:53] <Kamilion> now, if you wanna have a laugh at ruby or php or the grandchildren of the bourne shell, be my guest. I'll join you.
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[6:59] <Kamilion> anyway, if you wanna ignore the writing on the wall, that's fine. be my guest. But there's plenty of data that conflicts with your statements. http://arokem.github.io/2014-09-05-python-is-still.html http://jakevdp.github.io/blog/2012/09/20/why-python-is-the-last/ http://cacm.acm.org/blogs/blog-cacm/176450-python-is-now-the-most-popular-introductory-teaching-language-at-top-us-universities/fullte
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[7:00] <Kamilion> besides, the stuff I do all day, you wouldn't want to do in C anyhow.
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[7:00] <Kamilion> Honestly, I've never seen web applications written in C outside of extremely constrained embedded devices, like atheros9332 based routers.
[7:01] <Kamilion> even openwrt ended up moving to using lua to generate web pages for management.
[7:01] <Kamilion> There's certain things C is good at, and certain things it ain't. No real problem with that.
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[7:02] <tawr> but how can you be a smug elitist with logic like that? :
[7:02] <Kamilion> Dunno.
[7:02] <Kamilion> might wanna ask a smug elitist about that.
[7:02] <Kamilion> I'm just a smug hobbist.
[7:02] <tawr> :D
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[7:03] <Kamilion> but I like using the right size wrench for the job. no sense getting out the pneumatic impact drill for something a handheld hex key could solve.
[7:03] <tawr> you must not be a mechanic
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[7:03] <tawr> :D
[7:04] <Berg> thats prolly realy correct my small ,coding skills iuse small python scripts
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[7:05] <Berg> some one go fix sourceforge
[7:05] <Berg> its broken
[7:06] <Kamilion> tawr: done a lot of stuff, from psx mod chips with the pic 12c508 to multiple degree of freedom robotics with ROS on ubuntu.
[7:06] <tawr> Kamilion: i did that with the first xbox
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[7:06] <tawr> 32-wire mod
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[7:06] <tawr> before modchips existed
[7:06] <Kamilion> ah, the LPC... guess not.
[7:07] <Kamilion> what, one of the early jtag mods before that was fixed?
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[7:07] <Kamilion> or bunnie's early ram taps?
[7:08] <Kamilion> That was a nice system. The geforce was a little hard to deal with, but the celeron chip running it wasn't too bad. Shame about the tiny cache though.
[7:08] <Kamilion> XBMC went quite far from it's humble beginnings.
[7:09] <Kamilion> I was on sony's side for that part, so I didn't get an xbox until after the mechwarrior softmod came around.
[7:09] <Kamilion> mechassult? I forget exactly.
[7:11] <Kamilion> but for a while there I was well known in the PSX/PS2 scene for my work on turning the GameShark2/ProActionReplay3 into a softmod; and doing the same to the sony hard drive + ethernet adapter for the PS2.
[7:12] <Kamilion> if you bother, you can probably find most of the historical posts from xiaNaix's forums after they got moved to psx-scene
[7:13] <Kamilion> lesse, worked with linux from scratch around 1999, my name's in the early print copies of the book...
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[7:14] <Kamilion> lotsa places from before the social web and web2.0. I kinda went dark around then.
[7:15] <Kamilion> last couple years of Makers gaining popularity have rekindled my love of microcontrollers; just tons of them showing up running linux.
[7:16] <Kamilion> farting around with the win10 iot image on my pi2 right now.
[7:16] <Kamilion> not really sure what to do; .NET's kinda unfamiliar territory for me.
[7:17] <Kamilion> trying to get it to display one of the cameras from a swann 8-channel DVR, but I'm not having much luck so far.
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[7:19] <Kamilion> driving me a little nuts though, i can get the web site to show up, but it's just got a big empty grey spot in the middle. It's not a java applet or anything. Has me rather stumped.
[7:22] <tjcarter> does anybody who happens to be around just now know why a Pi's HDMI screen would flash black when audio starts or stops playing?
[7:23] <tjcarter> It is connected to an HDMI TV, though a crappy one that lies about its native resolution.
[7:24] <tjcarter> Now that I think about it, the blink is kinda like a resolution switch
[7:26] <Kamilion> argh, it's powered by an activex control >.<
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[7:26] <tjcarter> that's got me wondering
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[7:28] <Kamilion> Broly: I respectly retract my earlier statement, [22:01:00] <Kamilion> Honestly, I've never seen web applications written in C ... -- I have just found an IP camera viewer+http proxy written in QT5's C++ dialect as the first result of my query.
[7:29] * Kamilion grumbles about MJPEG
[7:30] <Kamilion> oh, hey. https://pypi.python.org/pypi/onvif/0.1.2
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[7:30] <Kamilion> sweet. I don't have to do any work at all.
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[7:33] <Kamilion> oh, right, i was supposed to be looking for how to do it in C# for windows 10. Oh well, I'll just use rasbian.
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[11:07] <Neepu> Hey, i have a project im planning to execute but im not sure if there are enough I/O pins to accomplish what i want, so was hoping anyone here would know. Planning to connect a mobile IP module, GPS, and sensors for water currents, temperature etc.
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[11:07] <Neepu> Should i be worried?
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[11:09] <SyncYourDogmas> Neepu: there's extensions I think? And what are you making, sounds amaxing
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[11:09] <SyncYourDogmas> Water monitor?
[11:10] <SyncYourDogmas> Or boat
[11:10] <Neepu> boat, want to make a boat that can find shortest path to given xy coordinates
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[11:11] <Neepu> + fetch data from it :D
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[11:11] <Neepu> sensors are for determining that, but data is cool so why not make graphs at the same time
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[11:13] <SyncYourDogmas> Thats really really cool man, if you ever need another dev I'd love to contribute
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[12:46] <alchemistswl> Hello ladys and gents, quick question: Is there a way to connect to Raspberry Pi over USB without a GPIO cabel?
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[12:56] <Lope> Anyone here tried running LXC on RasbperryPi? Does it work well? Easy to get going?
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[13:49] <shiftplusone> alchemistswl: connect in what way?
[13:49] <shiftplusone> alchemistswl: there's ssh.... keyboard and mouse... vnc.... many different ways to connect.
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[13:50] <alchemistswl> shiftplusone: sure but the thing is I'm going to run the raspberrypi without a) monitor and b) no wifi.. because the raspi gets directly connected to an router in a car. Very strange and long story, anyways I got it fixed somhow with usb network bridge to phone
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[14:26] <Stanto> alchemistswl: "because the raspi gets directly connected to an router in a car" uh, network router? so, you'd just connect to the network and ssh over that, right?
[14:27] <Stanto> "somhow with usb network bridge to phone" what?
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[14:37] <calimero_82> hi guys
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[14:47] <knob> Hello hello!
[14:47] <knob> Good morning all
[14:47] <calimero_82> hi knob
[14:48] <calimero_82> guys can i do a question?
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[14:48] <knob> calimero_82, shoot!
[14:48] <knob> Alwasy ask man =)
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[14:53] <calimero_82> i have bought rasp but i don't know what power pack i must buy, thanks, it's model b with 1 gb ram
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[14:56] <fabiodive> @calimero_82 Hi, it depends by your usage, if you use a lot of USB devices you will need bigger power supply, lets say that with a 5V 2000mA you should be ok. You can find it on adafruit.com.
[14:57] <calimero_82> fabiodive: are u italian?
[14:57] <ppq> calimero_82, i heard somebody recommend the "EasyAcc U-Bright 9000mAh" because it supports charging and discharging at the same time
[14:58] <ppq> shouldn't be more than 15€ or 20€
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[14:58] <fabiodive> @calimero_82 yes man
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[14:59] <calimero_82> can i ask u a question in pv in italian?
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[15:00] <fabiodive> calimero_82 sure
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[16:19] <HanSooloo> is there a way to prevent the "smsc95xx 1-1.1:1.0 eth0: hardware isn't capable of remote wakeup" messages during boot?
[16:19] <HanSooloo> I'm sure it's pretty harmless, but would like to avoid it to keep the logs clean, if there is a way to disable that capability, say at module load time
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[16:21] <shiftplusone> HanSooloo: kind of a silly thing to do, but if you must 'keep the logs clean' reduce the log level
[16:21] <shiftplusone> that message is on the INFO level
[16:22] <HanSooloo> yea, I know .. kinda silly .. just wondering
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[17:26] <zerocoo1> craigslist find of the day. RPi B+ with 32GB SD Card, Retropie NES Controller, AC Adapter and HDMI Cable for $25
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[18:49] <ritual> score!
[18:49] <ritual> that's one hell of a deal
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[19:09] <soapdish> dang nice
[19:10] <Broly> i got my rpi 2 b kit for like 50 american. plastic case, 8gb sd, pi board, usb power cable
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[20:09] <soapdish> when the pi first came out i resold it on ebay and made like 15 bucks in the end
[20:09] <soapdish> not sure why mine was shipped so fast when other people had to wait so long
[20:09] <IT_Sean> We had to wait so long because jerks like you were buying all of 'em up to resell.
[20:09] <soapdish> :<
[20:10] <IT_Sean> Well... you asked.
[20:10] <IT_Sean> Sorry.
[20:10] <soapdish> nah i just wanted to check it out, didnt really work well for what i wanted to do, so i ended up selling it
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[20:40] <IIsi50MHz> New Raspbian install, Pi Store exits during splash screen. If run from terminal, complains about being unable to determin current theme, and exits with a bad_alloc.
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[20:51] <Tjololo12> Has anyone had any success streaming the pi camera module to a youtube live event on raspbian? I can get youtube to say the stream is "good", but it doesn't appear to actually receive anything. I used http://redd.it/2ahzp2 that as a guide. My problem is I don't know much about ffmpeg or youtube live really.
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[20:53] <Tjololo12> I'm on a B+, moderate OC, and can see the camera output when I am connected to HDMI so I know the camera's not the problem. It's gotta be somewhere in the ffmpeg flags, or possibly somewhere else. Could it be a firewall issue?
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[21:01] <IIsi50MHz> No camera module here, Tjololo12
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[21:04] <Tjololo12> Yeah, I figured it wasn't really common, but I figured this would be the best place to ask. Out of 500 people, someone somewhere has to have done a raspi livestream
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[21:05] <Bilby> Sorry, I'm not familiar with YT streaming
[21:07] <ShorTie> rpi web cam
[21:07] <ShorTie> https://github.com/silvanmelchior/RPi_Cam_Web_Interface
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[21:10] <Tjololo12> Ooh that looks promising. Only problem I see with that is the requirement of hosting it on a webpage. I was hoping to be network-agnostic, but honestly this looks more promising than anything else.
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[21:12] <IIsi50MHz> 36,692 available packages…I have one 32 GB card. How do I even choose? [-:
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[21:14] <IIsi50MHz> Comparing LXDE and OpenBox logins; these menu structures and contents are rather disjointed. Far more apps in the OpenBox menus, but it's not simply a superset.
[21:15] <IIsi50MHz> Some apps in the LXDE menus aren't in OB's.
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[21:16] <IIsi50MHz> I've also installed Pidora, which has a rather more comprehensive approach to what's available.
[21:17] <IIsi50MHz> Ooo, a Macuser. I've rather a lot of olde MacUser mags.
[21:19] <Kamilion> anybody know if underclocking/undervolting a pi2 saves much on power?
[21:19] <Kamilion> Tjololo12: sec, i ran across a project before doing streaming
[21:19] <IIsi50MHz> And operational an Quadra 700, PowerMac 6400/G3 upgrade. My G4 MDD needs a new OS; MintPPC is sluggish. My IIsi is a doorstop.
[21:19] <Tjololo12> Kamilion: I'd appreciate it :) thanks
[21:20] <IIsi50MHz> Wish I had a Pi 2.
[21:20] <Kamilion> Tjololo12: http://ftp.tuebingen.mpg.de/pub/kyb/towolf/raspberry-camera-streaming/
[21:20] <Kamilion> bit old and arch based, but should have useful info still.
[21:20] <IIsi50MHz> I've only just bothered to bring my Pi 1 B+ online, though.
[21:21] <Kamilion> Tjololo12: "Observed CPU loads depend on video settings. With the suggested setting nginx, and ffmpeg, and raspivid together register under 20 percent of CPU usage."
[21:21] <IIsi50MHz> I should strapp some bettr heat sinks to it so I can raise the overclock a notch.
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[21:22] <IIsi50MHz> Bonjour, Encrypt.
[21:22] <Kamilion> IIsi50MHz: does vmac work on ARMs?
[21:22] <Encrypt> Hey IIsi50MHz :)
[21:22] <Kamilion> i wouldn't mind firing up Classic for some Glider PRO
[21:22] <IIsi50MHz> Mini vMac has been ported to Android.
[21:23] <Kamilion> i miss my motorola 68k.
[21:23] <Kamilion> I was an ST user.
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[21:24] <Encrypt> IIsi50MHz, Are you french? :D
[21:24] <Tjololo12> Kamilion: awesome, thanks. I'll take a look there. Unfortunately, I think the cat knocked the pi off the table I had it sitting on at home, so I can't do anything else today x_x but I'll bookmark that, I appreciate it!\
[21:24] <Kamilion> Tjololo12: there's a complete image at the bottom of the page
[21:25] <IIsi50MHz> One of these years, I'm going to have to upgrade my soldering skills and recap my IIsi
[21:25] <IIsi50MHz> Encrypt, non, but I used to study French and Japanese.
[21:26] <Encrypt> Nice :)
[21:26] <Kamilion> Tjololo12: one of the notes mentions: "# I've built ffmpeg without librtmp so it uses an internal implementation that is much lower latency"
[21:26] <Tjololo12> Yeah, I really need to build my own ffmpeg. I'm relying on the one from that reddit post I linked to, and I have no idea how that was compiled.
[21:27] <Kamilion> it's not arch specific, but he did build his own ffmpeg and nginx.
[21:27] <Kamilion> doing the same on rasbian probably isn't too hard with apt-src or apt-get build-dep
[21:28] <Tjololo12> That's the problem, I'm a RHEL person. This debian stuff is just confusing to me XD
[21:28] <Kamilion> ah, i've been a debian/ubuntu user since ~2007, feel free to pick my brain.
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[21:29] <Kamilion> but honestly, rasbian jessie might be more homey to you due to systemd
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[21:30] <IIsi50MHz> Someone mentioned the s word? *gets popcorn* Wait, why is nobody fighting?
[21:30] <Kamilion> i'd recommend taking a look at the 'wajig' package interface too.
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[21:30] <Tjololo12> I'll have to take a look at that, thanks. I was debating on just going pidora instead of raspbian, but I figured I'd try the defaults first.
[21:30] <Kamilion> very nice console for doing package management with english-like semantics.
[21:30] <Kamilion> you should be somewhat at home there, coming from yum
[21:31] <IIsi50MHz> Tjololo12: I've Pidora and Raspbian side-by-side.
[21:31] <Kamilion> there's also the packagekit interfaces
[21:31] <Tjololo12> Do you know if pidora has camera module support? That was one of the reasons I did raspbian, cuz I knew it did.
[21:32] <IIsi50MHz> I also see a couple more interesting distros on the pi site, but they weren't offered by NOOBs so I've not tried them yet.
[21:32] <IIsi50MHz> I'll check.
[21:32] <Kamilion> I fired up acornos. took me back. heh.
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[21:33] <Kamilion> to this day I am still floored at amiga's achievement of multiwindow GUI multiprocess multitasking in 512KB of rom.
[21:34] <Kamilion> it's one of those things like when people tell you the original star wars movie's effects were all 'real' in-camera film shoots.
[21:35] <Kamilion> Some arts have been lost over time. Too bad, so sad, the world moves on.
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[21:41] <McBride36> so it goes
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[21:47] <IIsi50MHz> Supposedly the camera is supported.
[21:48] <Tjololo12> Oh cool, maybe I'll give that a try then. That's right up my alley
[21:48] <IIsi50MHz> Was hard to find a straight answer, that didn't involve "copy these files from Raspbian, edit this thing, then you have camera".
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[21:49] <Tjololo12> figures, yeah. I'm sure raspbian would be easier, but honestly all I need this to do is stream camera footage and that bit is done.
[21:49] <Tjololo12> I've got other things I need it to do too, but they're not nearly as complicated as this XD
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[21:50] <IIsi50MHz> Well, I'm still looking for any fiddly bits or gotchas.
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[21:51] <Tjololo12> I've also found a streaming service that might work better than youtube. I'll have to check it out when I get back home and figure out why my camera isn't working anymore, but if that works I'm golden.
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[21:57] <IIsi50MHz> Hrm, Pidora has not been updated for Pi 2; you have to finagle some Fedora mini installs to get it.
[21:57] <Kamilion> Tjololo12: the kernel should support it; it might be missing the userspace binaries.
[21:57] <Kamilion> http://www.uco.es/investiga/grupos/ava/node/40 Here they are, if you need them.
[21:59] <Tjololo12> Oh cool. I'll have to take a look if I can't get it working with raspbian
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[22:00] <Kamilion> erk, sorry, wrong name
[22:00] <Kamilion> https://github.com/raspberrypi/userland/tree/master/host_applications/linux/apps/raspicam
[22:00] <Kamilion> http://elinux.org/Rpi_Camera_Module
[22:00] <Kamilion> mostly documented here
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[22:01] <hinv> does anyone know of a usb to scsi adapter that will work with the pi?
[22:02] <Kamilion> which scsi.
[22:02] <IIsi50MHz> I know of an adapter, but not a Pi driver.
[22:03] <Kamilion> SCSI-1 50 pin, scsi2, scsi2-wide 68 pin, scsi3, fiberchannel...
[22:04] <IIsi50MHz> (happen to have it sitting next to an old PowerPC Mac)
[22:04] <Kamilion> http://www.ratocsystems.com/english/products/U2SCX.html This is one I know works.
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[22:04] <Kamilion> it's slow, but it shows up as a standard USB Mass Storage Class adapter.
[22:05] <hinv> Kamilion, SCSI2 would be fine
[22:05] <Kamilion> you'll also need a proper passive terminator at the end of the chain, as it does not include the termination pullups.
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[22:05] <hinv> most drives will sync to 10MHz anyways
[22:06] <Kamilion> and it will only operate with scsi hard disks
[22:06] <Kamilion> no tapes, no scanners
[22:06] <Kamilion> since it's being represented as a USB mass storage class, not a raw UAS USB-Attached-SCSI interface.
[22:06] <hinv> now about a linux driver like on x86 ubuntu?
[22:06] <Kamilion> huh?
[22:06] <Kamilion> it's Mass Storage Class.
[22:07] <Kamilion> the class driver is used.
[22:07] <Kamilion> same as any other USB flash stick
[22:07] <hinv> so I could read and write hard drives with DD?
[22:07] <Kamilion> yes.
[22:07] <Kamilion> it has a secondary mode that can pass raw scsi commands through, but that's part of the windows-only driver.
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[22:08] <hinv> A guy I know wants a portable drive builder for older systems
[22:08] <Kamilion> hinv: http://www.codesrc.com/mediawiki/index.php?title=SCSI2SD
[22:08] <hinv> so he can keep a backup image and write it out to a replacement quickly and without lugging heavy equipment
[22:09] <Kamilion> http://imall.itead.cc/scsi2sd.html
[22:09] <Kamilion> $70
[22:09] <hinv> now that looks interesting
[22:09] <hinv> I wonder if it is bootable
[22:09] <Kamilion> it is.
[22:10] <Kamilion> http://www.codesrc.com/mediawiki/index.php?title=SCSI2SD#Compatibility
[22:10] <hinv> no SGI compatibility reported
[22:10] <Kamilion> irix?
[22:10] <hinv> yeah
[22:10] <Kamilion> most probably work fine.
[22:11] <Kamilion> dunno about disk geometry limits
[22:11] <hinv> is there an 80 pin version?
[22:11] <Kamilion> i don't think so, but you could connect it to the 80 pin bus with a converter, but it'd slow down the entire bus.
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[22:12] <Kamilion> I think there's some older compactflash models that might be wide scsi 3
[22:12] <Kamilion> from commerical companies
[22:12] <hinv> to 10MHz or 5MHz?
[22:13] <Kamilion> but that's probably getting into hundreds of dollars each
[22:13] <Kamilion> versus a $70 microcontroller and SD slot with some open source software driving it
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[22:13] <IIsi50MHz> Tjololo12: 2013.05.28 How to enable the camera https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=51&t=45329
[22:13] <IIsi50MHz> Old, hopefully won't be necessary...but just in case!
[22:14] <Tjololo12> "I got the camera module working on Pidora by borrowing some files from Raspbian" Lol I love that statement
[22:14] <hinv> Thanks Kamilion
[22:14] <Kamilion> https://wiki.68kmla.org/SCSI-SATA_converter
[22:14] <hinv> I will look into that SCSI2SD
[22:14] <Kamilion> this might also be useful.
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[22:15] <Kamilion> http://www.addonics.com/products/adsalvd160.php
[22:15] <Kamilion> there's your commercial non-foss version, at $130
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[22:16] <Kamilion> honestly though, on an IRIX workstation, IIRC there should be 33Mhz PCI slots available, and support for IDE PIO adapters.
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[22:17] <hinv> I don't know of any IDE adapters that work with irix.
[22:17] <Kamilion> hinv: this should be quite complete by now: http://www.nekochan.net/wiki/SCSI
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[22:18] <Kamilion> ah, that also points out the same LVD to SATA adapter
[22:19] <Kamilion> oh, forgot
[22:19] <Kamilion> http://forums.nekochan.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=16720486
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[22:19] <Kamilion> you can use a SCSI to SAS bridge
[22:19] <Kamilion> and speak right to a SAS drive.
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[22:20] <hinv> I was really only looking for a USB to SCSI adapter so that he can image a scsi hard drive in the field with his laptop
[22:20] <Kamilion> yeah, that's relatively hard
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[22:20] <hinv> I know if it will work on a raspi, it should work on a more feature rich xubuntu on x86
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[22:21] <Kamilion> however, you might be able to find a PCCard SCSI adapter if his laptop has PCCard or ExpressCard54
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[22:21] <hinv> http://www.ratocsystems.com/english/products/U2SCX.html < won't do it?
[22:21] <Kamilion> it should be fine, slow, very slow, but fine
[22:21] <Kamilion> but IIRC most of the time I saw 73.6GB drives on irix machines
[22:22] <Kamilion> so even at 12MB/sec, that's still not too hellishly long
[22:22] <hinv> probably more like 4, 9 and 18GB drives
[22:22] <Kamilion> hinv: <.<
[22:22] <Kamilion> I actually work for the company that had SGI's scrap contract.
[22:22] <hinv> really?
[22:22] <Kamilion> before rackspace bought the name, I mean.
[22:22] <Kamilion> mhm.
[22:23] <hinv> what company was it?
[22:23] <Kamilion> we had rackspace's scrap contract too. (lol)
[22:23] <Kamilion> http://www.m-cubed.com/
[22:23] <Kamilion> I'm still working on the site; don't pay too much attention to it's low quality
[22:23] <hinv> did they have a Tennessee facility?
[22:23] <Kamilion> memphis.
[22:24] <hinv> I thought they had a site near knoxville (other side of tennessee)
[22:24] <Kamilion> you ex SGI? :D
[22:24] <hinv> no, sgi dealer
[22:24] <Kamilion> ah, right on.
[22:24] <hinv> unauthorized reseller
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[22:25] <Kamilion> iirc we also have a location in maine, and a location in driesden germany
[22:25] <hinv> I used to buy ex SGI scrap when the contracted was with United Data Tech IIRC
[22:26] <Kamilion> hm, i'll have the boys in the warehouse jumble through some of the old boxes; maybe they'll find something.
[22:26] <Kamilion> i think we might still have a box of old ram laying around
[22:26] <Kamilion> SIPPs and SIMMs
[22:27] <hinv> SIPPs!?!?!?
[22:27] <hinv> That would be quite old
[22:27] <hinv> like 25+ years
[22:27] <Kamilion> still got some classic intel pre-mmx gold-top chips :)
[22:27] <Kamilion> and at least a few 386DX2s and 486DX4s
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[22:27] <hinv> some of what I have is 21 years old, but that is probably the oldest
[22:28] <Kamilion> also found a starwars laserdisk, and a ghost busters laserdisk
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[22:28] <Kamilion> and an amiga 2000, gathering dust. Won't boot though. :<
[22:28] <Kamilion> all mine now. :3
[22:28] <hinv> too bad on the amiga
[22:28] <Kamilion> nah, i can revive it
[22:29] <Kamilion> i already clipped the clock battery off
[22:29] <hinv> was it corroded really bad?
[22:29] <Kamilion> not at all
[22:29] <Kamilion> just barely starting to sweat
[22:29] <hinv> caught it in time then
[22:29] <Kamilion> that's why i clipped it
[22:29] <hinv> those can do some serious damage to mobos
[22:29] <Kamilion> yep!
[22:30] <Kamilion> funny story too
[22:30] <Kamilion> i rescued it from a fire while it was getting thrown out with some other junk, including a big magnifying glass.
[22:31] <Kamilion> was outside in the parking lot, the magnifying glass caught some light just right and caught the cardboard
[22:31] <hinv> yeah
[22:31] <hinv> you have to be careful with those
[22:31] <Kamilion> i saw a light-looking box and grabbed it, yanked it away from the fire
[22:31] <Broly> ok for sure there's something wrong with the 4.1* usb stuff. boots fine but no usb and this is after i made my own deb pkgs (after crossing) for ubuntu mate
[22:31] <Broly> i'm sure this is to be expected somewhat
[22:31] <hinv> was it a screen on a projection tv or something?
[22:31] <Kamilion> and imagine my suprise to find a complete A2000 with keyboard
[22:31] <Kamilion> no, one of those bendy-arm ones with the round flourescent light
[22:32] <hinv> those keyboards sucked though
[22:32] <Kamilion> the IBM-PC ones?
[22:32] <Kamilion> nah, they were the delicious ones.
[22:32] <hinv> SGI used to have the best keyboards.
[22:32] <Kamilion> the ones with the built-in keyboards like the A500 were the annoyingly mushy ones
[22:32] <Kamilion> heh, nothing beats the c64's keyboard.
[22:32] <Kamilion> not even a metal bat.
[22:32] <Kamilion> *grin*
[22:32] <hinv> I am actually typing on a 20 year old one right now
[22:33] <hinv> go check out the SGI old slab style keybaords that came with the Indy.
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[22:33] <Kamilion> oh, those.
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[22:33] <Kamilion> the immovable object.
[22:33] <hinv> The have a great feel and are quite durrable
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[22:33] <hinv> yeah, they are quite heavy
[22:34] <Kamilion> the last irix machine I used had one of those early optical mice with the special mousepad... Mouse Systems, I think was the brand?
[22:34] <Kamilion> man that thing drove me nuts.
[22:34] <hinv> I still have those things
[22:34] <hinv> they are a pain
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[22:35] <Kamilion> you have to keep it oriented straight while you're moving it
[22:35] <hinv> especially when the pad on the bottom gets dusty and the mouse fur on the bottom of the mouse get's funky.
[22:35] <Kamilion> it does not take to the human moving in arcs
[22:35] <hinv> the mouse grabs the pad and the pad does the sliding ;^)
[22:35] <Kamilion> ugh, yeah.
[22:36] <Kamilion> i think I got lucky, I believe it was a late-model with the first of the teflon pads
[22:36] <hinv> I searched for the RATOC U2SCX on ebay and they are almost $700 and up
[22:36] <Broly> https://www.dropbox.com/sh/rha382oucuvc68h/AACzj_xpkiVTeSa5pbSMZ6Vza?dl=0
[22:36] <Broly> here are the debs for anyone curious
[22:36] <Broly> any input welcome. you will have to use --force-all and update initramfs manually
[22:36] <Kamilion> yeah, lots of that stuff ends up being hard to find after the USB spec moves on
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[22:37] <hinv> belkin made one, and so did adaptec
[22:37] <Kamilion> hinv: on the up side, the USB 3.0 spec ratified UAS (USB Attached SCSI), so there should be some newer adapters with raw-command support showing up
[22:37] <hinv> but I don't know if they will work on linux
[22:37] <hinv> that sound's great
[22:37] <Kamilion> and linux has supported UAS since 2013
[22:37] <hinv> brb
[22:38] <Kamilion> afk for a while
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[22:39] <dan_k> Quick question, do any web browsers on any of the Pi Linux distributions run WebGL?
[22:40] <Kamilion> Not sure offhand.
[22:40] <Broly> i think ubuntu mate might
[22:40] <Broly> it's hardfloat so i could see it
[22:40] <Kamilion> i would assume that one of the webkit offerings might? perhaps qt5?
[22:40] <Kamilion> I recall seeing GL stuff with QT and the pi a while back
[22:41] <Kamilion> but I dunno if it was GLES2, EGL, or OpenGL2
[22:41] <dan_k> Very cool, I'll give it a try. I recently started using OnShape for CAD work and since it is HTML5 based I was wondering if I can ditch my desktop for a Pi.
[22:41] <Broly> Pi or Pi2?
[22:41] <dan_k> Pi2
[22:41] <Broly> yeah try out mate
[22:41] <dan_k> I have a 512MB B as well
[22:41] <dan_k> Great, I'll give it a try. Thanks for the quick answer guys!
[22:42] <Broly> https://ubuntu-mate.org/raspberry-pi/
[22:42] <Broly> np
[22:42] <Kamilion> oh, right, the pi2's arm7hf, so i can just use stock arm distros now...
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[22:42] <Kamilion> Broly: is there a lubuntu image?
[22:42] <dan_k> I have an arch Linux image on SD still, that may be a quick route to get what I want.
[22:43] <Kamilion> eh, doesn't matter, I can always purge mate and pull lubuntu-desktop.
[22:44] <Broly> good images are hard to find
[22:44] * Kamilion begins the download
[22:44] <Broly> this one seems to be the best
[22:44] <Kamilion> oh? cool.
[22:44] <Broly> it is still wonky in areas wrt packages as it's cobbling a bunch of sources together
[22:44] <Kamilion> no big deal, i maintain my own ubuntu-deriv project
[22:44] <Broly> but it builds itself when you install it for the first time so you know it's doing it right. it's pretty good, just frustrated it's running K3x
[22:44] <Broly> yeah you should be more than happy with it
[22:44] <Kamilion> https://github.com/kamilion/kamikazi-deploy
[22:45] <Kamilion> xen based lubuntu livecd.
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[22:46] <mirana2s> the red led is "power on" I presume. What is the other led showing?
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[22:46] <Kamilion> "activity", in most cases. It's under software control though.
[22:47] <Kamilion> so on some images it may or may not be active
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[22:47] <mirana2s> I see, thanks
[22:48] <Kamilion> Broly: does it contain any pi-specific configuration tools, or is it just pure ubuntu packages?
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[22:48] <Broly> whicdh
[22:48] <Broly> ubuntu mate?
[22:49] <Kamilion> yeah.
[22:49] <Broly> it's for pi specifically, the hardfloat option
[22:49] <Broly> is what separates itself from the rest
[22:49] <Broly> it runs really well
[22:49] <Kamilion> not generic arm7hf binaries?
[22:49] <Kamilion> but specific arch builds for the pi2?
[22:49] <Broly> this one is built specifically for the pi2 from what i understand, the binaries that it runs (packages) are generic hf
[22:49] <Kamilion> ah, okay, there's the changelog.
[22:49] <Broly> but the kernel itself is not
[22:49] <Broly> it is a 3.18.0-20-rpi2
[22:49] * Kamilion nods
[22:49] <Kamilion> along with the devicetree patches, good.
[22:50] <Kamilion> ooh, yay, systemd
[22:50] <Kamilion> now i can finally play with it without fear of breaking stuff
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[22:51] <Kamilion> my xen livecd is still stuck on 14.10 cause I'm not fully familiar with systemd yet.
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[23:05] <IIsi50MHz> I have a Mouse Systems ADB mouse. I'd forgotten anyone made optical mice that messed up with arced motions or when the special mats were crooked under them.
[23:06] <Kamilion> heh.
[23:07] <IIsi50MHz> The ADB one uses ye god forsaken ball-and-rollers, but it's only been used a week or two since manufacture.
[23:08] <IIsi50MHz> It's in good shape. (:
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