#raspberrypi IRC Log


IRC Log for 2015-07-22

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[0:26] <wormhole3xtreme> hey guys, hows it going?
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[0:26] <ShorTie> around n around
[0:27] <wormhole3xtreme> I was hoping I could get some advice, looking to buy a pi2 from amazon, looking at the 85$ kits from Canakit and Vilros, anyone that can recommend one over the other for some reason?
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[0:31] <ShorTie> what are you l00kin for and what cha gonna do with it would be the 1st ??'s
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[0:33] <wormhole3xtreme> I haven't done much programming but have done some, basically looking for something with parts available that I can learn how the GPIO works with programming, and to just get started
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[0:34] <wormhole3xtreme> I read that the kits aren't the best bang for the buck though, seems like any pi2 is min 41$ or more, maybe amazon isnt the best place to buy
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[0:35] <ShorTie> depends more on the shipping cost
[0:35] <ShorTie> rpi2 are like 35 + shipping
[0:35] <kamdard> Amazon ships FREE for $35+
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[0:35] <wormhole3xtreme> yea seems like either kit is free shipping there
[0:35] <wormhole3xtreme> that helps
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[0:35] <kamdard> @wormhole3xtrem: I bought the cana-kit and it arrived yesterday
[0:36] <kamdard> don't have any comparison basis with other kits
[0:36] <wormhole3xtreme> you like it? seems like it had the nicer case/better psu and a samsung micro sd card over vilros
[0:36] <wormhole3xtreme> vilros had more parts overall though
[0:37] <kamdard> yep..it's just one day...so haven't kicked it's tires fully as yet
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[0:37] <kamdard> the wifi dongle is relatively poorly performing in my sample testing
[0:38] <devslash> When I do sudo apt-get update I get this error "W: GPG error: http://debian.yeasoft.net wheezy Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 40FC0CD26BF18B15" I tried doing "sudo gpg --keyserver hkp://debian.yeasoft.net --recv-keys 40FC0CD26BF18B15" but it fails. How can I fix this ?
[0:38] <kamdard> my plan is to put OE (OpenELEC) and got the info from OpenELEC forums that better to go wired than wifi
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[0:39] <ShorTie> pi's in general are kinda poor on the wifi
[0:39] <kamdard> @wormhole3xtreme : this may help https://www.pretzellogix.net/2015/01/14/the-best-raspberry-pi-starter-kits-compared-and-reviewed/
[0:39] <wormhole3xtreme> yea usb 2.0 prob doesnt help, i dont mind having ethernet cables all over though
[0:39] <devslash> any suggestions ?
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[0:40] <wormhole3xtreme> did that canakit come with 2 heatsinks by chance?
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[0:40] <kookie> yes
[0:41] <kookie> mine did
[0:41] <ShorTie> don't need no heat sinks
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[0:41] <ShorTie> they are a gimmick for a pi
[0:41] <wormhole3xtreme> hehe prob not stock, I know some ppl overclock though
[0:41] <kamdard> I did not get any heat sinks with cana-kit
[0:41] <wormhole3xtreme> oh which lvl kit did you buy?
[0:42] <kamdard> actually I take my word back..it came with 1 ...sorry
[0:42] <ShorTie> buy a better board is the cure for overclocking
[0:43] <kamdard> I bought this one for $70 : http://www.amazon.com/CanaKit-Raspberry-Complete-Original-Preloaded/dp/B008XVAVAW/ref=sr_1_sc_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1437518563&sr=1-1-spell&keywords=raspberry+pi2+canalit
[0:43] <wormhole3xtreme> yea more powerful options do seem available, I dont know enough about them, are there alot that still can use a 5v usb powersource?
[0:43] <kookie> yup that's the one I got
[0:43] <kookie> nice kit too...
[0:43] <ShorTie> most use a 5v source
[0:44] <kookie> beautiful case
[0:44] <devslash> can any of you guys help me out ?
[0:44] <kamdard> I don't like the case though -- it makes swapping the micro-sd cards a bit tough -- as it is too tight
[0:45] <ShorTie> i use a 4" piece of 3" channel to mount my pi's on
[0:45] <kookie> use a utility knife to slightly enlarge the slot.
[0:45] <ShorTie> adds some wieght to it
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[0:46] <ShorTie> sss devslash never heard of that repo before
[0:46] <devslash> how do i remove it then
[0:47] <ShorTie> i'd think it would be in /etc/apt
[0:47] <ShorTie> most likely in sources.list
[0:47] <ShorTie> just stick a # in front of it instead of removing
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[0:49] * Kamilion scrolls up
[0:49] <devslash> have you guys heard about an exploit in open ssh?
[0:49] <devslash> that allows brute forcing ?
[0:49] <ali1234> not recently
[0:49] <devslash> http://arstechnica.com/security/2015/07/bug-in-widely-used-openssh-opens-servers-to-password-cracking/
[0:50] <Kamilion> wormhole3xtreme: I was able to find my Pi2 locally for $37.99 plus tax. worth it to look around. Especally with places that price match.
[0:50] <ali1234> hmm
[0:50] <Kamilion> devslash: neat!
[0:50] <Kamilion> trying 10000 passwords in the 120 second window...
[0:50] <ali1234> will that get past fail2ban?
[0:50] <Kamilion> nope
[0:50] <wormhole3xtreme> man I wish, this area sucks for electronics, closest/best option is a bestbuy
[0:50] <Kamilion> fail2ban's watching the log itself
[0:51] <ali1234> yeah i know, it might not log anything until you exceed the 10000 attempts though
[0:51] <Kamilion> this is talking about openssh on it's own though
[0:51] <devslash> Its not clear to me which version of openssh this affects
[0:51] <Kamilion> no, there will be one connection log entry and 10000 authentication faileds, then a disconnect, repeat
[0:51] <devslash> the one I have on my pi is 6.0
[0:52] <Kamilion> versus one connection, six failures, and reconnect
[0:52] <ali1234> find a CVE
[0:52] <Kamilion> 6.9 is exploitable, versions going all the way back to 2007 were tested also found to be exploitable. read the article you posted! XD
[0:53] <Kamilion> "The post includes exploit code that works with the latest release of OpenSSH, which is version 6.9. In a separate post, KingCope said his exploit worked against a version of OpenSSH included in a 2007 release of the FreeBSD operating system."
[0:53] * ShorTie wonders why you would have port 22 open in the 1st place .. :/~
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[0:53] <Kamilion> that's probably something like 5.4pl12 or something
[0:53] <Kamilion> ShorTie: thanks to the magic of systemd and socket activation, at least sshd doesn't have to be running all the time anymore.
[0:53] <Kamilion> 'course, could have done that with inetd or xinet for the last thirty years, but eh.
[0:53] <ali1234> kind of irrelevant for security though
[0:54] <ali1234> it's still going to start up whenever anyone connects, attacker or not
[0:54] <Kamilion> ali1234: well, there's also the case that the kernel didn't support socket reuse well enough before
[0:54] <devslash> so whats the fix for that ?
[0:54] <Kamilion> so there were likely some security problems in the old implimentation that havn't been shaken out yet either.
[0:55] <devslash> I have OpenSSH 6.0 on my PI
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[0:55] <Kamilion> devslash: Not much besides portknocking like fwknop -- bruteforcers will still find your ssh server on other ports when they do their initial portscan and nmap probes
[0:56] <Kamilion> devslash: https://www.cipherdyne.org/fwknop/
[0:56] <devslash> what if ive disabled password authentication and only use public key auth ?
[0:56] <Kamilion> that also works.
[0:56] <devslash> doesn't that make brute forcing a was of time
[0:56] <Kamilion> it's what I've done for yeaaaaaaaars.
[0:56] <devslash> waste
[0:56] <Kamilion> well, that authentication type isn't available, so the connection gets closed immediately when they say they have 0 public keys to offer.
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[0:57] <Kamilion> but if you really want to be stealth and ignore attacks like that one, fwknop's pretty much your only realistic option.
[0:57] <Kamilion> or another port knocker like it
[0:58] <Kamilion> :22 will only open up when the knock sequence is presented.
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[0:58] <devslash> oh
[0:58] <devslash> I know its not much more secure but I use a non standard port
[0:58] <Kamilion> whatever port
[0:58] <Kamilion> doesn't matter
[0:58] <Kamilion> there's only 65535
[0:58] <Kamilion> takes 45 seconds to poke them all.
[0:59] <Kamilion> if even that
[0:59] <devslash> so how does fwknop work ?
[0:59] <Kamilion> might be able to hold them off longer if you honeypot or slowloris
[0:59] <Kamilion> iptables.
[0:59] <Kamilion> drop rules are removed when the knock sequence is received
[0:59] <Kamilion> and reinstated after a short timer
[0:59] <Kamilion> existing connections are unaffected.
[1:00] <devslash> on the client side, it has to send some kind of knock signal right ?
[1:00] <Kamilion> no knock? Iptables drops the packet before it even reaches sshd
[1:00] <Kamilion> yep.
[1:00] <Kamilion> it's pretty open to how that's impliemnted though
[1:01] <devslash> is that hard to set up
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[1:01] <Kamilion> dunno, my paranoia level doesn't require that amount of operational security.
[1:02] <devslash> but if I use public key auth, does that really matter ?
[1:02] <devslash> since sshd would reject any requests that don't include a public key
[1:02] <Kamilion> i don't even bother with fail2ban or anything.
[1:02] <Kamilion> instead, I do this:
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[1:03] <Kamilion> https://github.com/kamilion/kamikazi-deploy/blob/master/resources/mods/usr/local/bin/blackhole-zone
[1:03] <ali1234> fail2ban is great, i use it to protect wordpress also
[1:03] <Kamilion> get whole country ip block lists from http://www.ipdeny.com/ipblocks/
[1:03] <ali1234> if you try to login as admin on any of my WP sites, that's an instant firewall ban
[1:03] <Kamilion> right now I block five, china, vietnam, hong kong, thailand, and italy.
[1:04] <devslash> so how does f2b know its you and not someone else
[1:04] <Kamilion> since that's where most of the SSH attacks I was getting were originating from.
[1:04] <Kamilion> now my auth.log is relatively quiet. :)
[1:04] <ali1234> in my case there is no admin account on any of my sites
[1:04] <ali1234> so any attempt to use it is always an attack
[1:04] <devslash> you mean you renamed the admin account
[1:05] <Kamilion> nah, he uses something else to admin it
[1:05] <devslash> or deleted it
[1:05] <ali1234> basically yeah
[1:05] <Kamilion> probably from the shell side
[1:05] <Kamilion> like jsonedit
[1:05] <ali1234> you can give any user admin rights
[1:05] <fxmulder> so I've taken https://raw.githubusercontent.com/torvalds/linux/master/Documentation/spi/spidev_test.c and minimized it to http://nsab.us/public/si4063.c trying ti talk to an si4063
[1:05] <ali1234> then delete the original admin user
[1:05] <ali1234> attempting to bruteforce any user account also gets you banned
[1:05] <Kamilion> http://jsonwidget.org/wiki/Jsonwidget <--- this thing is my favorite tool
[1:06] <fxmulder> I've hooked up a logic analyzer, I can see various values being sent on MISO but the buffer is full of 0xff
[1:06] <Kamilion> ncurses based editor for JSON data.
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[1:06] <ali1234> fxmulder: did you configure the pin modes correctly?
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[1:06] <Kamilion> so i can edit/admin a good chunk of my site right from an ssh console.
[1:07] * Kamilion shuts up and lets the C people converse properly
[1:07] * Kamilion might learn something if he listens
[1:08] <ali1234> fxmulder: did you also connect the CS lines?
[1:08] <fxmulder> ali1234: I've enabled SPI_CPHA and both MISO and MOSI seem to trigger on clock rise
[1:09] <fxmulder> yes chip select is connected
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[1:10] <ali1234> i've done the same thing with spidev_test.c and it worked for me
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[1:11] <fxmulder> I just loop MOSI and MISO and run the echo test and that seems to work fine
[1:12] <ShorTie> sure you got MOSI and MISO hooked up right ??
[1:12] <ShorTie> and not backwards
[1:12] <fxmulder> but, spi makes that pretty easy to figure out
[1:12] <ali1234> yeah, you don't swap them like serial tx/rx
[1:13] <ShorTie> some mark them as to what they hook up to not what they are
[1:13] <ShorTie> like the RFM69 boards i'm playing with
[1:14] <ali1234> make sure the clock rate is right as well
[1:14] <ali1234> and CS high/low is correct
[1:14] <fxmulder> clock rate max is 10MHz, I'm running at 500KHz
[1:14] <ShorTie> actually, i don't think the clock rate goes above 500000
[1:15] <ali1234> it goes up to like 125MHz on the broadcom iirc
[1:15] <ali1234> or was it 12.5MHz
[1:15] <ShorTie> if you look, you will see spi-max-frequency = <500000>;
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[1:15] <ali1234> look where?
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[1:15] <ShorTie> in the linux source
[1:16] <ShorTie> in like bcm2835-rpi.dtsi
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[1:16] <ShorTie> and all the bcm stuff
[1:17] <ShorTie> it suck out to me because i did a diff between linux 4.0 and the foundations 4.0 kernel
[1:17] <ShorTie> to see what all they added/changed
[1:17] <ShorTie> s/suck/stuck/
[1:18] <ali1234> i dunno. the hardware is definitely capable of a lot more
[1:18] <ali1234> but there's loads of weird stuff in the drivers
[1:19] <ShorTie> seemed like every spi thing had a max, some being alot higher then others
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[1:21] <fxmulder> it definitely reacts differently based on what I send it
[1:21] <ShorTie> blaaa, 2243.00 electric bill, guess they loved me last month, lol.
[1:21] <fxmulder> so that leads me to believe the si4063 is receiving ok
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[1:23] <ShorTie> is this a breakout board or just a chip ??
[1:23] <fxmulder> I soldered the chip to a breakout board
[1:24] <ShorTie> hmmm, another other goodies or just chip ??
[1:25] <ShorTie> i've been playing with these 433mhz boards http://www.anarduino.com/details.jsp?pid=136
[1:26] <Kamilion> ShorTie: holy smokes, are you running an induction furnace or something?? >:)
[1:26] <ShorTie> ported over the arduino library for it, hehe
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[1:26] <ShorTie> nope, for my enviromental sensors
[1:27] <ShorTie> but it uses wiringPi for the actual spi communication
[1:27] <ShorTie> gotta get the spi words right
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[1:29] <ShorTie> oh, you mean the 2243 thing, it's the 28 1hp fans runnin
[1:29] <ShorTie> been kinda hot, lol.
[1:29] <Kamilion> O_O
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[1:30] <Kamilion> that seems... excessive... but I have no idea what kind of space you're talking about. With that scale, it sounds like a commercial small office building... or medium warehouse...
[1:30] <Kamilion> could be a 350 foot long yurt, lol
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[1:30] <Kamilion> or... an underground lair... >:3
[1:31] <ShorTie> 3 chicken houses, housing 70,000 birds
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[1:31] <Kamilion> Ahhhh.
[1:31] <Kamilion> Automation keeping an eye on them?
[1:31] <ShorTie> oh ya
[1:31] <Kamilion> Cool.
[1:33] <fxmulder> I wonder if these pulses on MISO are too short
[1:33] <Kamilion> Though, now I'm curious what kind of effect evaporative cooling would have on that.........
[1:33] <fxmulder> even the logic analyzer doesn't seem to catch them all
[1:33] <ShorTie> that is with evaporative cooling
[1:33] <Kamilion> fxmulder: the fastest I've been able to reliably run SPI has been ~35Mhz for a 320x240 display.
[1:33] <ShorTie> 6" paper pads
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[1:34] <fxmulder> I dropped it to 100KHz
[1:34] <Kamilion> ahh, all the fans are in swamp coolers already, gotcha
[1:34] <ShorTie> fans on 1 end, pads on the other, houses like 500' long
[1:34] <fxmulder> the pulse it didn't catch was 0.2917us long
[1:35] <Kamilion> hm.
[1:36] <Kamilion> honestly, the only logic analyser I've got is a beagleboneblack, so I'm not really familiar with anything 'real' outside of my old HP analog 20Mhz 'scope.
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[1:36] <Kamilion> wish i could lend more assistance :<
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[1:37] <fxmulder> this is my first time playing with spi so not really sure what the thresholds are generally like
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[1:38] <Kamilion> i share your inexperience. All the SPI devices I've played with, I've not had much of an issue with outside of some crummy documentation/datasheets
[1:39] <Kamilion> but the LCD's the only one I've ever ran at a high clock
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[1:40] <Kamilion> this may be helpful or unhelpful; but I've found it's a good thing to have a big grabbag of parts to play with.
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[1:41] <fxmulder> the pulse width doesn't seem to matter on clock rate, I dropped it down to 20khz
[1:41] <fxmulder> seems if it is < 0.3us it doesn't get picked up by the logic analyzer
[1:42] <Kamilion> http://www.dx.com/p/arduno-37-in-1-sensor-module-kit-black-142834 I think this one is the one I have kicking around
[1:42] <fxmulder> if the rpi is more strict that may be why it isn't reading anything
[1:43] <Kamilion> ooh, they have it in the USA warehouse now... maybe I'll order anothe set. http://www.dxsoul.com/product/arduno-37-in-1-sensor-module-kit-black-901142834
[1:44] <Kamilion> i think the bulk of 'em were i2c though
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[1:46] <Kamilion> oh.
[1:46] <Kamilion> fxmulder: hey, it wouldn't by any chance need level conversion, would it?
[1:47] <Kamilion> EG, 3.3V talks to 5V, 3.3V side is 5V tolerant but 3.3V doesn't make it past 5V's receive threshold?
[1:48] <Kamilion> no sparks, but that would result in one side being unable to speak to the other.
[1:49] <fxmulder> rpi logic is 3v?
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[1:50] <fxmulder> everything should be 3v
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[1:55] <Kamilion> k, just checkin you didn't have something 5v on the other side
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[2:41] <gorideyourbike> I need to install something on the SD card I'm going to stick in my raspi but I have to do it via another linux machine. is there a way to "load" the sd card and run commands inside?
[2:42] <Kamilion> sure. mount LABEL="YourUSBStick" /mnt/path; cd /mnt/path
[2:43] <Kamilion> on windows, not quite so easy. you'd have to fire up vmware player or virtualbox to run linux in a window so you could mount the linux side of the filesystem.
[2:43] <Kamilion> there ARE tools to mount it directly, but they can be unreliable.
[2:44] <gorideyourbike> sweet
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[2:44] <Kamilion> if you know the device ID, you can use that instead of the label like /dev/sdc3 or something to that effect.
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[2:45] <Kamilion> I prefer labeling my filesystems and using the LABEL="whatever" shortcut. your milage may vary. And you may have to set a filesystem label with e2fstools/btrfs label/mtools
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[2:46] <gorideyourbike> but once I'm in the mount path can I run apt-get commands that will only effect the SD card and not the host system?
[2:46] <Kamilion> er
[2:46] <Kamilion> is it another arm box?
[2:46] <gorideyourbike> no, chromebook
[2:47] <Kamilion> if it's a PC, then no, i don't think you'll be able to chroot to use apt
[2:47] <Kamilion> not without using qemu or something
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[2:48] <Kamilion> if it's an ARM chromebook, it's got a possibility of working
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[2:48] <Kamilion> if it's an intel I3 chromebook, nope, you'll have to qemu it
[2:48] <clever> using qemu-user you can also chroot into the arm system
[2:49] <gorideyourbike> Intel® Atom(TM) N570
[2:49] <Kamilion> not terribly hard to set up though
[2:49] <clever> https://github.com/cleverca22/crosspiroot
[2:49] <clever> some old scripts i was using to chroot into the .img
[2:49] <clever> may need to adjust them now
[2:49] * Kamilion notes that down
[2:50] <Kamilion> ooh, ubuntu and gentoo. :3
[2:50] <clever> i mainly use it on gentoo, but it could be entirely distro independant
[2:50] <clever> you just have to write a single line to a special area in /proc, and copy a static binary into the pi root
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[2:52] <gorideyourbike> so since my processor isn't an I3 and it's not an ARM box or a PC, I should be able to use chroot?
[2:52] <clever> echo ':arm:M::\x7fELF\x01\x01\x01\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x02\x00\x28\x00:\xff\xff\xff\xff\xff\xff\xff\x00\xff\xff\xff\xff\xff\xff\x00\xff\xfe\xff\xff\xff:/usr/bin/qemu-static-arm-binfmt:P' > /proc/sys/fs/binfmt_misc/register
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[2:53] <clever> gorideyourbike: you would need to use qemu to run the pi code on anything not arm
[2:53] <gorideyourbike> oh ok
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[2:55] <clever> qemu-userland would give better performance, but its more tricky to setup
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[3:30] <MathCampbell> hey all…anyone up (kinda late for most western world I know)
[3:30] <Berg> its morning here time for sahopping
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[3:32] <MathCampbell> lol
[3:32] <MathCampbell> i was wondering if anyone had any thoughts about using a pi for wearable tech...
[3:32] <MathCampbell> not talking about a prototype or a “student” style project, but an actual deployed product, with profesional UI etc
[3:33] <MathCampbell> is it do-able? Or should I really be looking at a custom-silicon platform (or maybe a different devkit)...
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[3:33] <MathCampbell> basically, is pi “ready” for serious use?
[3:33] <methuzla> probably physically too large
[3:34] <methuzla> for a "deployed product"
[3:35] <MathCampbell> i’ve seen “minituarised” versions that perfectly fit iur form factor
[3:35] <MathCampbell> *our
[3:35] <MathCampbell> and it likely has enough processing power to run the software
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[3:36] <ZER0C001> im trying to figure out what to do with my Pi's
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[3:36] <ZER0C001> they have multiplied
[3:36] <methuzla> miniaturized versions of what?
[3:36] <MathCampbell> the pi board..
[3:36] <ZER0C001> I have 3 of em now
[3:36] <MathCampbell> so i guess they’re 3rd party implementations..
[3:36] <methuzla> they are
[3:36] <MathCampbell> basically, i have teh core of a product idea…now i’m trying to work out how to take a great design, and turn it into real prototype
[3:37] <methuzla> lots of people making ARM based SOCs
[3:37] <MathCampbell> (i’m a designer - in a company like Apple, my job would be to solely make a nice picture, then tell 100 chinese hard engineers to make it all work like that..)
[3:38] <MathCampbell> instead i have to now work out how to cram enough processing power, the sensors, the battery, a screen etc all into a form factor
[3:38] <MathCampbell> the screen, power etc. we’re good on
[3:38] <MathCampbell> it’s a dev-board…don’t want to go down the custom-silicon route if possible…
[3:38] <MathCampbell> i gues th answer is to just get a few pi’s and have a play
[3:38] <MathCampbell> but i wanted the opion of some people that actually know, might save me a few weeks
[3:39] <MathCampbell> (it’s a wearable thing)
[3:39] <NedScott> MathCampbell: Totally doable, but even the newer Pi processor is not really optimized for super low power consumption
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[3:40] <MathCampbell> hmmm….i’m not massively worried -arm is good…and the form factor has space for a fair battery...
[3:40] <MathCampbell> but that is a concern
[3:41] <MathCampbell> OLED screeens, wifi, bluetooth, biometric sensors, gps…all drains power
[3:41] <MathCampbell> in fact the wifi and gps are stretch goals
[3:41] <MathCampbell> anhyone any solid leads on other dev-boards they can reccomend? We saw “chip” but not enough power...
[3:41] <NedScott> sure, but compared to what else is out there
[3:42] <NedScott> also, I hear it's hard to get broadcom chips in a high enough quantity that they'll actually sell you
[3:42] <NedScott> err, I said that weird
[3:42] <NedScott> Broadcom's minimal order number is really high :)
[3:42] <MathCampbell> the 3rd party board has a good supply level
[3:42] <MathCampbell> but...
[3:43] <MathCampbell> ewh, it’s a kickstarter, so if it actually goes ahead, minimum order isn’t a problem
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[3:43] <MathCampbell> and you think broadcom are hard…trying talking to LG & Samsung about getting hold of one of their super-duper brand-new flexible OLED screens
[3:43] <MathCampbell> “reluctant” isn’t the word
[3:43] <NedScott> another company tried to make a Pi-compatible wearable and was able to get a few thousand as a "sample" but wasn't able to get them to do a second run
[3:43] <NedScott> haha
[3:44] <MathCampbell> we might be getting one courtesy of a research lab in a university...
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[3:44] <MathCampbell> doubt they’d let us just take one on our own..but if we have a solid order for 10,000+ it’s different...
[3:44] <screamindynomit> hey how do i make something start on startup in the terminal? i have a radia streamer setup and i won be able to use a screen while i use it
[3:44] <NedScott> you'd need probably at least 100K
[3:44] <MathCampbell> barriers to entry when trying to even see if a product is feasible are huge...
[3:45] <MathCampbell> so you think x-nae on the using a pi as our core then?
[3:45] <methuzla> if you're just trying to determine feasibility, then i'd think form factor would be a minimal concern
[3:46] <NedScott> as a user, it would be awesome to have more Pi-compatible hardware out there, because you have a huge amount of support
[3:46] <screamindynomit> im useing raspbian
[3:46] <NedScott> but yeah, it's really hard to get a minimal order from Broadcom that isn't huge
[3:46] <MathCampbell> methuzla: minimal but not unimportant….what we’re wanting to do, software/hardware wise isn’t a problem…it’s already done in a lot of cellphones etc
[3:46] <NedScott> and there are other chips out there that might be more power efficient
[3:46] <MathCampbell> the trick we’re aiming for is a unique form factor and flexible etc.
[3:47] <MathCampbell> so cramming it all in is, in essence, the ball game
[3:47] <NedScott> There's lots of other SoC manufacturers chips out there, which don't have as good as support, but still have decent support
[3:47] <MathCampbell> it’s the power that we have a problem with. Most android SoCs are too big (size)…arduino hasn’t got the CPU power…
[3:48] <MathCampbell> between them two levels, there doesn’t seem to be a ton of boards...
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[3:48] <NedScott> you might look into Freescale
[3:48] <NedScott> they've got some tiny SoCs, and they have excellent documentation for their chips, which gives them decent community support
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[3:49] <NedScott> a lot of chip manufacturers are closed lipped about their chips, but Freescale is very open source friendly and all that
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[3:50] <MathCampbell> yep…their freedom board was something we were looking at
[3:51] <MathCampbell> itel are hopeless…sent 5 emails no response
[3:51] <MathCampbell> *intel
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[3:51] <ozzzy_> what're you looking for
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[3:53] <MathCampbell> basically the smallest form factor “cellphone” board possible
[3:53] <MathCampbell> ie smartphone
[3:53] <MathCampbell> also if it can be goten on a flexible pcb all the better
[3:54] <ozzzy_> if Intel made something like that it'd be all over the internet
[3:54] <ozzzy_> but... intel doesn't make smartphones
[3:54] <MathCampbell> (our design was built entirely around an amazing flexible screen - we’re ok with semi-flexible/semi-rigid if needs be, but the design itself will be curved either way, so it might need to be a segmented board..
[3:54] <MathCampbell> the scren we can (probably) get
[3:55] <MathCampbell> now we need something capable of driing it
[3:55] <MathCampbell> *driving
[3:55] <NedScott> ozzzy_: sort of
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[3:55] <NedScott> ozzzy_: http://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/smartphones/smartphones.html
[3:55] <methuzla> sounds like you're targeting the wrist for where to wear
[3:55] <NedScott> don't make a watch
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[3:55] <NedScott> make that thing from Futurama or a pipboy
[3:56] <NedScott> tiny round screens = blah
[3:56] <allanonmage> working on a raspberry pi B+ and I enabled samba and in testing it out I realized I don't have name resolution for the hostname of my raspberry pi, which is still raspberrypi. Do I need to configure a firewall or something?
[3:57] <MathCampbell> NedScott: you’re getting scarily close there...
[3:57] <MathCampbell> DON’T STEAL OUR IDEA, FUC*&ER!!!!!
[3:57] <MathCampbell> lol
[3:57] <MathCampbell> (i am kidding)
[3:57] <NedScott> allanonmage: on some networks SMB/samba works funky, depending on what computer on the network is the mater
[3:57] <ozzzy_> they make chipsets
[3:57] <NedScott> master
[3:57] <NedScott> yeah
[3:57] <NedScott> you mean an entire phone from Intel?
[3:58] <MathCampbell> the screen is gorgeous
[3:58] <NedScott> hmm
[3:58] <allanonmage> the laptop I'm working on is wireless, and the raspi is wired. Netgear wndr3800 with stock firmware, maybe 1 or 2 versions old
[3:58] <MathCampbell> 35mm x 100mm
[3:58] <MathCampbell> flexible..
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[3:59] <MathCampbell> our design is entirely following from that
[3:59] <allanonmage> ssh to IP works fine. smb to IP almost works, but when I tried to smb to hostname, I realized I can't resolve the hostname
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[3:59] <xxoxx> hi
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[4:00] <ozzzy_> you need a better router
[4:00] <MathCampbell> so basically we need a development board that can fit in roughly those dmesions…little bit outside them is fine..but yeah…35mm by 100mm isn’t huge
[4:01] <MathCampbell> back in 5
[4:01] <allanonmage> yeah, but they are getting expensive. i was hopiong to use DDWRT or something in the meantime
[4:01] <xxoxx> contemplating getting into raspberrypi
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[4:01] <m3chanical> it's a neat device
[4:01] <allanonmage> hell I saw a router for $300ish at the local boutique store and the packaging was like ERMAHGERD WE HAS ALL TEH WIFIZ LOOK AT DEZ ANTANNAES DER LEK 6 OV DEMMM
[4:02] <ozzzy_> mine has acquired a nice coat of dust
[4:02] <xxoxx> looked at one at local makerspace, neat little device
[4:02] <m3chanical> i attached a NRF24 radio to mine and am currently coding up some crap to control a 4 channel relay board. fun stuff
[4:02] <allanonmage> so, is there a firewall enabled on the pi by default? I'm famaliar with Windows, but not so much with linux. Not sure how to troubleshoot name resolution on linux
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[4:10] <allanonmage> tried a different machine and got the same response
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[4:16] <allanonmage> the router can see the raspberry pi with the right name, and the pi can ping itself. I also switched to a wired conenction. Same results. Weird....
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[4:21] <Kamilion> allanonmage: samba will try to use NETBIOS name resolution by default, you must disavow it of this notion.
[4:21] <m3chanical> Which Pi OS are you using? My experience with Raspbian has been pretty much trivial to set up networking - wired or otherwise.
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[4:21] <Kamilion> allanonmage: make sure it's joined the same workgroup or domain as your other machines, that can also be a big issue
[4:21] <allanonmage> I'm using 5/5/2015
[4:21] <allanonmage> no domain, only a workgroup
[4:21] <Kamilion> a lot of them are members of the "MSHOME" workgroup by default, and samba defaults to the "WORKGROUP" workgroup.
[4:22] <Kamilion> samba4?
[4:22] <allanonmage> idk what a samba4 is
[4:23] <Kamilion> two versions of samba, the windows fileshare software for linux
[4:23] <Kamilion> the older samba3, the newer samba4
[4:23] <MathCampbell> back now
[4:23] <m3chanical> oops I missed your earlier text, allanonmage, sorry. i'm likely unable to help in this case
[4:23] <allanonmage> i have a laptop running windows 7; an adroid phone, and a custom piece of hardware with a propriatary ethernet stack. none of them can resolve the hostname
[4:23] <MathCampbell> NedScott: you still here?
[4:23] <NedScott> aye
[4:23] <allanonmage> ok thanks anyways
[4:24] <Kamilion> what's providing the hostname? IE, what DNS server has been informed to serve an IP address record for that hostname? a local router, like openwrt, running dnsmasq?
[4:24] <Kamilion> or did you just set it in /etc/hosts?
[4:24] <m3chanical> when i've done that before i had to create an alias in the hosts file IIRC
[4:24] <m3chanical> <name> <IP> or something like that
[4:25] <MathCampbell> you allow me to pm ya?
[4:25] <m3chanical> but yeah otherwise you'd need to configure a DNS record
[4:25] <Kamilion> in a lot of cases, you'll need to tell dnsmasq you want it to assign DNS hostnames to DHCP leasees.
[4:25] <allanonmage> i haven't done anything to the HOSTS file
[4:25] <allanonmage> I just installed samba and found out that name rasolution wasn't working when I was testing out samba
[4:25] <Kamilion> for windows filesharing, name lookup is also done by NETBIOS without DNS's involvement.
[4:25] <ozzzy_> start a WINS server
[4:26] <Kamilion> so if you're falling back to NETBIOS name resolution, things are already hurting.
[4:26] <allanonmage> yeah.... i don't need a DNS name. a regular hostname should be fine. the netgear wndr3800 can see the hostname
[4:26] <Kamilion> ...
[4:26] <Kamilion> dns serves the hostname?
[4:26] <m3chanical> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hosts_(file)
[4:26] <Kamilion> so yes, yes you do need a dns name if you want to be able to look the record up in your internal network.
[4:26] <allanonmage> you're getting the 3 types of name resolution jumbled up
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[4:27] <Kamilion> no, I'm not, samba tries them in a specific order.
[4:27] <Kamilion> hosts, MDNS, DNS, NETBIOS.
[4:27] <allanonmage> there are 3 different types of name resolution. 1. DNS. 2. NetBIOS (usually referred to as HOSTNAME), and 3 the HOSTS file
[4:27] <Kamilion> if there's a WINS server around the DHCP server must be informed to provide it to clients as a DHCP option
[4:27] <Kamilion> NETBIOS can do name resolution one of two ways
[4:28] <Kamilion> the old network neighborhook name broadcasting
[4:28] <allanonmage> how many WINS servers have you ever run across?
[4:28] <Kamilion> which worked during the old IPX days when we didn't have routing
[4:28] <allanonmage> come on man, you're killing me
[4:28] <Kamilion> and the new WINS method for using TCP/IP.
[4:28] <Kamilion> Uh, at least three every day?
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[4:28] <Kamilion> the one at work, the one at home, and the one at my local bar.
[4:29] <allanonmage> does the raspberry pi have a firewall I need to configure?
[4:29] <Kamilion> Nope.
[4:29] <allanonmage> OK, that's good info
[4:29] <Kamilion> iptables should not be set up by default
[4:29] <Kamilion> and i don't think the ufw packages are installed with ubuntu-mate
[4:29] <allanonmage> I almost never run into WINS. I thought it dies a long time ago
[4:29] <Kamilion> the tooling should be there, EG, the iptables binary
[4:29] <Kamilion> no, NETBEUI is the one that died
[4:30] <Kamilion> the old IPX-based stack from windows 3.11 for workgroups.
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[4:30] <allanonmage> so, somebody ran win 3.11 on a raspi under DOSBox
[4:30] <allanonmage> i actually watched the whole video of him install it
[4:31] <Kamilion> but yeah, microsoft uses active directory these days which is pretty much X.500 derived LDAP, kerberos5, and a DNS server that keeps a record of every known IP that hits the microsoft DHCP server.
[4:31] <Kamilion> Samba4 supports that era
[4:31] <Kamilion> samba3 supports the NT4 through windows XP era
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[4:32] <Kamilion> in fact, it's really really easy to run an active directory on linux these days -- samba4 even supports the remote config tools built into windows 7 called RSAT.
[4:32] <allanonmage> sounds like the peer to peer netbios isn't working right then
[4:32] <Kamilion> can open up Active Directory Users and Computers and go add a new linux user
[4:32] <Kamilion> more than likely, yes. It breaks easily without a WINS server around somewhere.
[4:32] <allanonmage> what happens if everyone tries to be the master netbios thingey?
[4:33] <Kamilion> more than recently because IPv6 is becoming more prevelant.
[4:33] <ozzzy_> wins servers aren't rocket science
[4:33] <Kamilion> well, that's an election process
[4:33] <Kamilion> the server with the highest version will win
[4:33] <allanonmage> in my experience, Linux is better at samba than windows
[4:33] <allanonmage> well, faster. when it works
[4:33] <Kamilion> if it's marked as a server SKU, it will get a boost to it's winning score.
[4:33] <Kamilion> allanonmage: same experience here.
[4:34] <Kamilion> SMB2 over Samba4 easily saturates my gigabit network.
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[4:36] <Kamilion> also, if you're having trouble configuring samba, check out the 'system-config-samba' package on ubuntu-mate.
[4:36] <Kamilion> it might exist on rasbian, i havn't checked.
[4:39] <Kamilion> oh, another problem -- I ended up having to disable ipv6 entirely on most of my windows machines because comcast's ip v6 routing advertisements was assigning the comcast DNS server. If you've got your own DNS server, a RR assignment will override every other DNS server configured on the system. Even if it's supposed to be a domain controller.
[4:39] <Kamilion> I've not had very much in the way of filesharing issues since then, so if you're in a very small home or small office environment, that may help some, it may not.
[4:47] <Berg> whgats the best old school desktop to put on RPI 2
[4:47] <Berg> i have minibian in root atm?
[4:48] <Kamilion> i happen to be most partial to lubuntu, based on lxde.
[4:48] <Kamilion> but if you want really minimal, fluxbox and rox filer
[4:48] <Berg> hmm
[4:49] <Kamilion> or openbox or any of the starboxes
[4:49] <Berg> ill check them out thanks
[4:49] <Berg> thanks
[4:49] <Kamilion> i'm assuming you wanted a file explorer with everything
[4:49] <Kamilion> not just 'here, manage some windows for me and shut up"
[4:49] <Berg> how long has it been sinse your slept Kamilion
[4:49] <Kamilion> Uh...
[4:50] <Kamilion> 11 hours, ten minutes, 26 seconds.
[4:50] <Berg> you seem to been on every time i connected
[4:50] <Berg> just curios
[4:50] <Berg> ok
[4:50] <Kamilion> Berg: I'm in about eighty freenode channels surrounding linux.
[4:50] <Kamilion> it's not uncommon to run into me all over the place. :3
[4:52] <Kamilion> also busy beating systemd with a stick on my pi2
[4:53] <Kamilion> I hate to say it, but it's actually missing a feature that upstart had... manual override so a service can only be started by an admin at the console.
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[5:09] <aleec1> doesn't the date in the rpi get messed up everytime you pull the plug?
[5:09] <aleec1> or does rpi have a battery? naaah?
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[5:13] <Kamilion> yes, time/date is reset, no battery.
[5:14] <aleec1> D:
[5:14] <aleec1> :O
[5:15] <Kamilion> there's ways around that limitation.
[5:21] <Broly> please don't update git for 4.1 unless you're fixing the 2708 gpio port bug pls, (affects 2709 as well). it just makes other edits look more like "putting the final touches" on something with a bigass hole. i know this comment will go on ignored, probably even scorned, but i thought i'd state my thoughts on the record. tyvm
[5:24] <SyncYourDogmas> Berg: a tiling wm like awesome is the lightest and most old school
[5:25] <Berg> ok thanks will investigate
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[5:52] <nos09> can i attach usb harddrive to raspberry pi ? it does not require any external power source except usb
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[6:08] <Berg> you might have to give it its own power supply as you might be too great3er drain ON THE pi POWER
[6:08] <Berg> nos09:
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[6:13] <nos09> Berg so a new hub is on the way
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[7:07] <JakeSays> anyone here with gertboard experience? i'm having issues toggling an LED. i have GP17 connected to B1, and then the B1 output pins jumpered. however when i set GP17 high all 12 LEDs turn on
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[7:07] <JakeSays> i'm expecting only one
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[8:18] <Thedahu> Hello! I've got a little question about miss Pi 1 and 2. If i compile a program on the first Raspberry Pi B and launch it on the Raspberry Pi B 2, will my program works ? Thanks!
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[9:21] <ThinkingofPython> in other news, I've successfully powered the Pi2 on a 2000ma 3.7 (upped to 5V) lipo
[9:21] <ThinkingofPython> 1A output
[9:21] <ThinkingofPython> Pi2 was OC'ed as well :) this is great news
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[9:28] <ThinkingofPython> Best of all, the battery (incl charging circuit and the up voltage converter) is the size of a phone battery.
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[9:29] <ThinkingofPython> or, well, a tiny bit bigger.
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[9:29] <The_Borg> how long it last?
[9:29] <The_Borg> before recharge
[9:30] <ThinkingofPython> Well, it's a 2500mah battery (3.7V) upped to 5V, so its about 2000mah. Output is 5V 1A, takes about 2 hours to charge.
[9:30] <ThinkingofPython> Runs the pi2 for about 2 hours.
[9:30] <The_Borg> not bad
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[9:31] <ThinkingofPython> As it's draw is about 5V 1A (it's rated more, but it even runs on my 5V 800ma battery)
[9:31] <ThinkingofPython> yeah
[9:31] <The_Borg> get 4 cells together get 8b huors
[9:31] <ThinkingofPython> heh
[9:31] <ThinkingofPython> thats too big ;)
[9:31] <The_Borg> better then getting a hand trolley and a 12v car battery
[9:31] <The_Borg> hehehe
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[9:32] <ThinkingofPython> heh
[9:32] <ThinkingofPython> yeah that'd be intense
[9:32] <The_Borg> i wonder how long a cordless drill battery would last?
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[9:32] <The_Borg> thats a thought
[9:33] <ThinkingofPython> Heh,
[9:33] <The_Borg> im tempted to make a box that can carry a power supply and a pi monitor
[9:33] <ThinkingofPython> Those are 12V, arent they?
[9:33] <The_Borg> some are 24v
[9:33] <ThinkingofPython> Ah
[9:33] <The_Borg> i have a 14v and a 18v cordlesss
[9:33] <Armand> The_Borg: http://www.amazon.co.uk/EC-Technology%C2%AE-18000mAh-Dual-Port-Tablets-Black/dp/B00LVTUYA0/ref=sr_1_6?ie=UTF8&qid=1421245386&sr=8-6&keywords=usb+battery+pack
[9:33] <tjcarter> haha, my Pi's memory runs at 494 MHz, but not 500. I guess I could try to see if I could get a few more MHz out of it, but ... why?
[9:33] <ThinkingofPython> I always find it odd that a Pi2 is rated for 2A, but runs fine (overclocked as well) at 800ma to 1.2A
[9:33] <The_Borg> you would need to make a regulator etc
[9:33] <tawr> The_Borg:
[9:33] <tawr> like mine?
[9:34] <tawr> except i threw in a bunch of goodies and made it ruggedized / waterproof
[9:34] <ThinkingofPython> Even when compiling, gaming, etc on the Pi, mine doesnt spike past 1.2V
[9:34] <tawr> you mean 1.2A
[9:34] <tjcarter> My CPU seems stable at 1100 MHz (Pi2) with a 500 MHz core, and I think my over-voltage is 3.
[9:34] <ThinkingofPython> My lapdock powers it fine. I've read that people get the "Undervolt warning" with the lapdock, but mine doesnt D:
[9:34] <ThinkingofPython> Woops, yeah.
[9:34] <Armand> USB batteries are pretty good now/
[9:34] <ThinkingofPython> So, either my Pi2 is good, or just it's over-specced so much
[9:35] <tjcarter> I wonder if I improve performance a little if the core freq matches the RAM
[9:35] <The_Borg> heheh i know there is stuff on the market that does what i suggest but i dont wona buy any thing i have a shed fulla stuff
[9:35] <ThinkingofPython> Mines OC'ed to 1.2GHZ, and I forget the rest of the overclocks
[9:35] <tawr> my usb battery pack
[9:35] <ThinkingofPython> but they're all past factory
[9:35] <tawr> is also a ups
[9:35] <ThinkingofPython> Nice Tawr
[9:35] <tawr> it's fast enough that if i pull the usb-in
[9:35] <ThinkingofPython> That's what mine originally is for
[9:35] <tawr> it switches over to battery power fast enough the rpi2 doesn't hiccup
[9:35] <ThinkingofPython> I use a splitter connected to a switch
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[9:35] <tawr> http://goo.gl/hQXHWH
[9:36] <tawr> that's my ruggedizedpi2
[9:36] <tjcarter> Armand: a battery about the size of most Pi cases will charge an iPad Air 2.5 times. :)
[9:36] <tawr> the TactiBox
[9:36] <The_Borg> tawr you have image and schematics ?
[9:36] <Armand> tjcarter: I went for the thin one, so it fits my pockets. ^_^
[9:36] <ThinkingofPython> Mine gets about 4 hours on the Lapdock battery, and another 2 from the "Emergency Battery pack" which is about the size of 2 credit cards (thick)
[9:36] <tawr> still missing my 2nd usb wifi adapter / bulkhead mount
[9:36] <ThinkingofPython> maybe 3.
[9:36] <tawr> The_Borg: just linked
[9:36] <The_Borg> ha ok
[9:36] <tawr> i get around 10-11 hours runtime
[9:36] <ThinkingofPython> Gotta love living in China. My battery pack was $3 lol
[9:36] <ThinkingofPython> and is an actual brand name here (MINISO)
[9:37] <The_Borg> i have 6 hour car trips to sydney i need to be entertained
[9:38] <ThinkingofPython> I need to get another one of these batteries
[9:38] <ThinkingofPython> for my phone
[9:38] <The_Borg> it need a monitor in the lid tawr
[9:38] <The_Borg> i like that
[9:38] <SyncYourDogmas> Has anyone used their pi underwater?
[9:39] <The_Borg> im gona make a water tank monitor soon
[9:39] <The_Borg> the water l\evels that is
[9:39] <The_Borg> anyone own a sub???
[9:39] <The_Borg> hehehe
[9:39] <SyncYourDogmas> With the pi on the outside though? And what sorta hardware for measuring?
[9:40] <The_Borg> did you get thqat solar charge set up ThinkingofPython
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[9:40] <tawr> The_Borg: have it
[9:40] <ThinkingofPython> Not yet
[9:40] <SyncYourDogmas> I was thinking autonomous vehicle. ...
[9:40] <tawr> SyncYourDogmas: yup
[9:40] <ThinkingofPython> However, I purchased a nice crank charger :D
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[9:40] <tawr> The_Borg: i have a nice screen that will fit the lid perfectly
[9:40] <The_Borg> well thats the good part using 2 bare wires with a 5v accros it will light a led
[9:40] <tawr> and have enough room for the ac - 12v power supply
[9:41] <tawr> plus i have onboard ac adapter
[9:41] <The_Borg> the water completes the circet
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[9:41] <tawr> The_Borg: not quite
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[9:41] <tawr> it really depends on the water. water is an insulator
[9:41] <The_Borg> little bit of fiddling it will work i think
[9:41] <tawr> it's just dissolved salts in the water make it conduct electricity
[9:41] <SyncYourDogmas> The_Borg: I've powered it a few times, but it's not permanently set up
[9:41] <The_Borg> its rain water
[9:41] <tawr> so if it's clean water, it would need to be a few mm at most distance to get enough current to even light a single led
[9:42] <The_Borg> yeah
[9:42] <The_Borg> thats expected
[9:42] <tawr> but i wouldn't go that route
[9:42] <tawr> it's ghetto, will fail as the wires corrode and get crud on them
[9:42] <The_Borg> why?
[9:42] <The_Borg> stainless?
[9:42] <tawr> so it will work for maybe a day, maybe a few days if you're really lucky, but in all you'll be CONSTANTLY screwing with it
[9:43] <The_Borg> hmm
[9:43] <tawr> no, trying to use the water to pass enough current to actually do something is a bad idea
[9:43] <The_Borg> well maybe a spiral float that terns a pulsememter?
[9:43] <tawr> what you want to do is instead either use the electrodes
[9:43] <tawr> pulsemeter? you mean potientiometer?
[9:43] <The_Borg> no
[9:44] <The_Borg> make it use a float that rotates the meter
[9:44] <The_Borg> up down floating?
[9:44] <The_Borg> the mouse wheel
[9:44] <tawr> no
[9:44] <tawr> still no
[9:44] <The_Borg> no
[9:44] <tawr> what's the measurement range?
[9:44] <The_Borg> hmm
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[9:45] <The_Borg> dont know
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[9:45] <The_Borg> i spose its huge
[9:45] <SyncYourDogmas> I would just point a camera at the tank, do it in software
[9:45] <The_Borg> like the tank is 12' deep
[9:45] <tjcarter> Armand: If you want a thin one, it'll be similar capacity but be about the size of a 2.5" hard drive.
[9:45] <tawr> okay
[9:45] <tawr> i'd probably do ultrasonic
[9:45] <The_Borg> well there is a lot of ways
[9:45] <tawr> non-contact, nothing to wear out
[9:45] <SyncYourDogmas> But my electronics zre bad
[9:46] <tawr> fast, reliable, non-contact, doesn't depend on lighting
[9:46] <Armand> tjcarter: I already have this one, but I want some more to suit a new project.
[9:46] <The_Borg> well i never seen a mouse wheel wear out
[9:46] <Armand> I have
[9:46] <SyncYourDogmas> tawr: exotic though, can you get that for the pi?
[9:46] <tawr> The_Borg: ultrasonic is the way to go
[9:46] <tawr> SyncYourDogmas: get what?
[9:46] <The_Borg> your not spose to ride it dayly to the shops
[9:46] <The_Borg> hmm
[9:47] <tawr> The_Borg: ultrasonic sensor. done
[9:47] <SyncYourDogmas> tawr: ultrasonic hardware
[9:47] <tawr> literally mount it at the top or the side
[9:47] <tjcarter> I've worn out mouse wheels
[9:47] <Armand> The_Borg: There's a 'yo momma' joke in that somewhere. :P
[9:47] <tawr> SyncYourDogmas: uh, of course dude
[9:47] <The_Borg> well there is lots to be interesting but again the point is buy nothing
[9:47] <tawr> The_Borg: spend the 20 bucks and be done the right way
[9:47] <The_Borg> thats what she said
[9:47] <tjcarter> I've also seen a few cheap ones that go the wrong way if you move them a small distance. :P
[9:47] <tjcarter> My cheap BT mouse does that.
[9:47] <SyncYourDogmas> Lol ok. I didn't expect it to be popular enough
[9:47] <tawr> SyncYourDogmas: they're self-contained. apply 5v/ground and they output a signal you can figure out distance in software
[9:48] <tawr> they're cheap, fast, reliable..
[9:48] <tjcarter> tawr: ultrasonic distance sensor?
[9:48] <The_Borg> what do they reflect off a wavey water?
[9:48] <tjcarter> like $3 on eBay :)
[9:48] <tawr> they reflect off everything The_Borg
[9:48] <The_Borg> they work over 12'
[9:48] <tjcarter> Combine with a similar IR distance sensor and anything that absorbs the sound likely reflects the IR.
[9:49] <The_Borg> i have ir scensors
[9:49] <The_Borg> lots of them in the old vid players
[9:49] <SyncYourDogmas> Good to know if I ever make my pi mobile
[9:50] <tawr> here are
[9:50] <tawr> // 73.746 microseconds per inch (i.e. sound travels at 1130 feet per
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[9:50] <tjcarter> It'll fail on a matte black opaque sound-absorbing material, but you're not going to encounter that in the real world.
[9:50] <tawr> // second
[9:50] <The_Borg> well see talking in here on projects sure opens options up
[9:50] <The_Borg> what about my stealth golf buggy?
[9:51] <The_Borg> so
[9:51] <The_Borg> if i dont mount it on my stealth buggy it will work fine?
[9:51] <SyncYourDogmas> I really wish I knew enough electronics to make mine move and turn
[9:51] <The_Borg> hehehe
[9:51] <The_Borg> <---mister random
[9:51] <tawr> The_Borg: most ultrasonic sensors can do between 10-15 feet
[9:52] <tawr> nicer ones can do much longer distances, but in this situation it would be fine since the tank itself helps guide
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[9:52] <The_Borg> yeah
[9:52] <tawr> and it would be accurate
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[9:52] <The_Borg> needs to be within a few inches
[9:52] <tawr> to probably at least 1"
[9:52] <The_Borg> sure thats plenty good
[9:52] <tawr> if you really took the time to set it up, you're only really limited by the math
[9:52] <The_Borg> you can do maths?
[9:53] <ThinkingofPython> Math*
[9:53] <The_Borg> so i have no problem hereer
[9:53] <ThinkingofPython> :d
[9:53] <tawr> you could probably get it down to within 1/10 of an inch
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[9:53] <The_Borg> i know python
[9:53] <ThinkingofPython> The_Borg confirmed for UK user
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[9:53] <ThinkingofPython> ;D
[9:53] <tawr> The_Borg: i meant the math-side of the pi/arduino/whatever
[9:53] <Armand> *Maths
[9:53] <tawr> you're counting microseconds between pulses
[9:53] <The_Borg> math
[9:53] <Armand> fnaar
[9:53] <tawr> and converting that to distance
[9:53] <The_Borg> i can do that
[9:53] <ThinkingofPython> My GF is from the UK, has a degree in "Maths"
[9:53] <tawr> so you're limited by the size of the variable
[9:53] <ThinkingofPython> and Im from Canada, and I'm like what is "Maths" lol
[9:53] <ThinkingofPython> Math.
[9:53] <Armand> It's always going to be a plural, unless you only do one sum. ;)
[9:53] <tawr> 14 feet is 450cm or so off the top of my head
[9:54] <The_Borg> im from australia i count by stamping my hoof
[9:54] <Armand> lulz
[9:54] <SyncYourDogmas> I'm sure there's a python scientific library that will help with big numbers, or precise ones
[9:54] <ThinkingofPython> :D
[9:54] <Armand> ThinkingofPython: My wife is American, you'll get no sympathy here. :P
[9:54] <ThinkingofPython> Python definitely has that lol
[9:54] <ThinkingofPython> lol
[9:54] <The_Borg> its easy to count millseconds in pytho
[9:55] <ThinkingofPython> Math.
[9:55] <ThinkingofPython> :D
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[9:55] <ThinkingofPython> Canadian English = Mix of American and British lol
[9:55] <The_Borg> is Math or Maths
[9:55] <Armand> It has to be Maths, it's plural.
[9:55] <The_Borg> australian = mix convict and dingo
[9:55] <ThinkingofPython> In British English, yes.
[9:55] <ThinkingofPython> But in Canadian, nope.
[9:55] <SyncYourDogmas> Plus math sounds silly
[9:55] <Armand> Unless you only do one sum.. that would be a "math" :P
[9:55] <ThinkingofPython> Both are correct, and at the same time, incorrect.
[9:55] <veonik> I did all the maths guys
[9:55] <Armand> *math
[9:56] * Armand snickers
[9:56] <The_Borg> maths
[9:56] <tawr> 8 bits = 255 distance = not enough steps. 10 bits precision you could get down to 1024 steps. which is enough for 1cm-level accuracy
[9:56] <tjcarter> ThinkingofPython: Just wondering, those $40 ham walkie-talkies... What do they actually sell for? :)
[9:56] <Armand> Cawfy time.
[9:56] <ThinkingofPython> << is an English teacher...unfortunately.
[9:56] <The_Borg> so 450 ms
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[9:56] <ThinkingofPython> what tjcarter ?
[9:56] <The_Borg> sad for you in this day and age
[9:56] <veonik> ThinkingofPython: should of bin a maths teacher
[9:56] * veonik grins
[9:56] <tawr> so you'd be counting microseconds into a 10bit int var. went 12 bit, you ould get 4096 steps of that ~400cm, which brings it down to 1/10th of a cm accuracy
[9:56] <The_Borg> tjcarter: 40 dollars?
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[9:57] <ThinkingofPython> Nah, I'm awful at math.
[9:57] <ThinkingofPython> Only good at algebra and programming related math.
[9:57] <Armand> "Those who can, teach.. Those who can't, teach PE".
[9:57] <ThinkingofPython> I literally do not know how to divide without a calculator, lol.
[9:57] <veonik> thats like saying "I can't walk. I am a damn fine runner and I can jog pretty well, but... just can't walk"
[9:57] <The_Borg> so how do you workl out the maths for finding the cost of them 40 dollar ham hand sets?
[9:58] <tjcarter> ThinkingofPython: Lots of people in the US buy cheap ham radios for like $35-45, Baofeng UV-5Rs (or any of the thousands of "new versions" that are the same thing in a different plastic case, or a different brand. I figure the things probably sell for half that in China.
[9:58] <ThinkingofPython> Armand heh, I have 2 degree's in Computer related fields. It's just, I work in China as an English Teacher (TEFL)
[9:58] <ThinkingofPython> ah, I'll check, tjcarter
[9:58] <Armand> ThinkingofPython: Sounds good.. I just fix servers. :P
[9:59] <The_Borg> why do they wona learn english most chinies speak chinaman?\
[9:59] <tawr> the fuck
[9:59] <ThinkingofPython> tjcarter, They are $15.
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[9:59] <The_Borg> this is funny
[9:59] <tjcarter> ThinkingofPython: LOL LOL LOL!
[9:59] <ThinkingofPython> 100cny
[9:59] <ThinkingofPython> which is about $17CAD or $15USD
[10:00] <tjcarter> ThinkingofPython: LOL, the things are NOT water resistant at all, I tell people to get two, they're small.
[10:00] <ThinkingofPython> I know nothing about them.
[10:01] <Kamilion> ThinkingofPython: has python helped you at all in your work as an english teacher in china?
[10:01] <ThinkingofPython> No.
[10:01] <SyncYourDogmas> I'm guessing not atvall
[10:01] <ThinkingofPython> However, it helps me on my business venture everyday. ;)
[10:01] <ThinkingofPython> I'm not just a teacher here, lol.
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[10:02] <ThinkingofPython> I work in Game Development, Import/Export and am starting my own business soon
[10:02] <ThinkingofPython> ontop of teaching. Freaking busy.
[10:02] <Kamilion> Hm. That's kind of depressing. I was hoping it might serve as a bridge between spoken languages.
[10:02] <SyncYourDogmas> ThinkingofPython: are you in shanghai by any chance? I know someone teaching English there
[10:02] <SyncYourDogmas> Mad place
[10:02] <ThinkingofPython> But China is boring (I've lived here 2+ years now), and speak Cantonese. I've done all the sighseeing and such, so if I wasn't busy, I'd be bored to death.
[10:02] <ThinkingofPython> Sync I live near Shenzhen
[10:03] <ThinkingofPython> Also have a location in Hong Kong (GF's house)
[10:03] <SyncYourDogmas> Ah, hotter and spicier
[10:03] <ThinkingofPython> Yep. 40 degrees celcius
[10:03] <ThinkingofPython> 100% humidity, 100% UV
[10:03] <ThinkingofPython> gotta love it.
[10:03] <ThinkingofPython> You get used to it after some time. Your body acclimates quite well. You'll sweat a lot, but you wont smell, and no one will bother you for it because everyone is hot.
[10:04] <SyncYourDogmas> How do you bypass 5 the great firewall? Standard vpn?
[10:04] <ThinkingofPython> I don't.
[10:04] <ThinkingofPython> I have a VPS in Singapore, but I rarely use it.
[10:05] <ThinkingofPython> Reddit works in China, as do tons and tons of other sites.
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[10:05] <ThinkingofPython> Youtube and FB don't work, but China has alternatives. We have Youku, PPTV, Iqiyi, etc.
[10:06] <ThinkingofPython> All have user content videos, as well as full length movies, TV shows, etc. ;D
[10:06] <ThinkingofPython> and for FB, we have RenRen and WeChat.
[10:06] <ThinkingofPython> QQ as well
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[10:06] <SyncYourDogmas> My friend and his friends all have vpns. For communication outside China
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[10:06] <ThinkingofPython> Ah
[10:06] <SyncYourDogmas> And unfiltered search results i presume
[10:07] <ThinkingofPython> I do just fine :) I don't use fb anyways
[10:07] <ThinkingofPython> and I have a mirror of Google
[10:07] <ThinkingofPython> and Bing, Yahoo, work fine here as well.
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[10:07] <ThinkingofPython> I'm an Ex-Microsoft Employee lol, it's by habit to use Bing
[10:07] <ThinkingofPython> Since I worked in SEO for Bing Canada (EN and FR markets)
[10:08] <SyncYourDogmas> Fair enough, I would probably get one on principle
[10:08] <ThinkingofPython> I have a VPS
[10:08] <ThinkingofPython> Much better than a VPN in terms of variable configuration
[10:08] <SyncYourDogmas> Even better
[10:08] <ThinkingofPython> but like I said, I don't really use it.
[10:08] <ThinkingofPython> Only for Youtube
[10:08] <ThinkingofPython> just to grab funny videos for students lol
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[10:11] <Armand> We've got servers in Singapore.. I should have one there. :)
[10:12] <The_Borg> dont get the aussie slang meanings to english they not correct
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[10:14] <tjcarter> ThinkingofPython: VPS? Server?
[10:14] <ThinkingofPython> Yes.
[10:16] <tjcarter> I don't trust Microsoft. Or Google. Or pretty much even DuckDuckGo. But I'm paranoid. :)
[10:17] <The_Borg> dont blame ya
[10:17] <The_Borg> i dont trust adobe or most microsoft compatable software
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[10:19] <nos09> i m having problem with HDMI/DVI on samsung tv. i have installed gentoo on it. it boots i can see it for a sec 'sometimes', and sometimes it just goes blank with searching signal message. and sometimes with hdmi mode not supported
[10:20] <tjcarter> It's actually kind of funny because I teach emergency preparedness and am admittedly more than a little paranoid. But I'm not a "crazy survivalist" type. In fact, the first thing I teach is DON'T BE THAT PERSON.
[10:22] <tjcarter> And yet, more than just the slight paranoia (borne of working data security and actually reading the news...), a basic and non-detailed description of my hobbies, political views, etc... I sound like I _should be_. Even my fiancee would say so.
[10:23] <ThinkingofPython> I'm still hoping the Pi Education Fund opens again soon
[10:24] <nos09> anyone ?
[10:24] <ThinkingofPython> nos, you have the Pi2?
[10:24] <ThinkingofPython> in the config file, theres some HDMI options
[10:24] <tjcarter> nos09: have you tried forcing it?
[10:24] <ThinkingofPython> maybe try playing around in that
[10:26] <nid0> the thing about security of your private data that most people overlook, and im sure Armand being in a similar job to me can attest to
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[10:27] <nid0> yes, we can access all sorts of your private info
[10:27] <nid0> but we dont
[10:27] <nid0> because we dont care
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[10:27] <nid0> better things to do with our lives, frankly
[10:27] <Armand> Indeed.. I could collate the personal details of every single client in a matter of hours. :P
[10:28] <Armand> Or client DB is fethin' huge... lol
[10:28] <nos09> tjcarter, no
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[10:28] <nos09> but i have no config.txt in /boot. with gentoo. should i create it ?
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[10:29] <tjcarter> it may not be /boot in Gentoo
[10:29] <tjcarter> it may be /boot/something
[10:29] <tjcarter> Many Linux distributions can't handle FAT32 on /boot
[10:30] <tjcarter> The Debian proper port for the Pi2 for example can't handle it.
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[10:34] <tjcarter> look for a mounted vfat partition :)
[10:34] <nos09> tjcarter, it was not there in gentoo. but wiki mentions it. i didnt created it cause i didn;t needed to do what wiki offered
[10:34] <tjcarter> It'll be the first one on your SD card
[10:35] <nos09> tjcarter, thanks
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[10:52] <ShorTie> rpi must have a fat partition to boot from
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[11:36] <nbastin> <3 rpi2
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[11:37] <nbastin> if only I could get one with real ethernet
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[11:46] <ShorTie> others have a real nic
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[11:46] <nbastin> others?
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[11:47] <ShorTie> ya, the rpi's are not the only small linux boards out there
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[11:49] <nbastin> at least at the moment anything with gigabit is really expensive
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[11:50] <nbastin> (I don't need gigabit throughput, just the electrical conformance)
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[12:00] <nid0> beaglebone black's are not expensive and have a proper nic, though it's not gigabit
[12:01] <nbastin> if it's not gigabit it doesn't solve my problem sadly...the cubieboard is the cheapest thing I could find with a gigabit port
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[12:02] <nbastin> (100Mbit electrics can't connect up into SFP gigT adapters because the baseband electrics are different)
[12:03] <nbastin> and there's no 100Mbit SFP for a lot of reasons...there are some that sortof work, but not really
[12:03] <nbastin> (copper anyhow, you can get fiber ones)
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[12:04] <nid0> all bananapi's have gigabit, I wouldn't know off the top of my head if it's a proper adapter or usb though
[12:05] <nbastin> what I really need is an rpi2 compute module
[12:05] <nbastin> USB is fine, the SoC doesn't have a better bus to use
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[12:06] <nbastin> ah they're using the same allwinner that cubie is
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[12:08] <nbastin> ...where can I get one?
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[12:09] <nid0> http://www.amazon.co.uk/Banana-OpenSource-Barebone-Cortex-1024MB/dp/B00JWSH7SO
[12:09] <nid0> or other shop of your choice
[12:10] <nbastin> right, it's that other shop problem.. :-)
[12:10] <nbastin> (they won't ship to me from amazon.uk)
[12:10] <nid0> amazon.whereveryouare?
[12:10] <nbastin> my guess is it doesn't have FCC certifications, given the lack of people who will ship to the US
[12:11] <nbastin> ah some are available here
[12:11] <nid0> http://www.amazon.com/Banana-Mini-Open-Source-Mainboard/dp/B00MWA5JKM ?
[12:11] <nid0> its got a massive FCC logo on the board so shouldn't be a problem
[12:11] <nbastin> LOL
[12:12] <nbastin> if I had a quarter for every board that had FCC and CE on it that didn't actually pass any certifications...
[12:12] <nid0> banana pi's arent exactly unheard-of knock-offs though
[12:12] <nbastin> they silkscreen that stuff even if they don't intend to get the certs, and even if they do they still screened it before they got the forms and tests back, because the delays are you know, awful
[12:12] <nbastin> sure, I'm just saying the silkscreen is pretty meaningless
[12:14] <nbastin> still, that seems sortof neat, I should get a couple and play with them
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[12:19] <nbastin> nid0: you know how much power they draw?
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[12:20] <nid0> afaik its consumption is a bit lower than a raspberry
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[12:21] <nid0> <400mA without any peripherals
[12:21] <nbastin> ok, so at least similar power supplies should be ok
[12:21] <nid0> yeah, any 1A+ supply should be perfectly adequate
[12:22] <tjcarter> Aren't there like six or seven Banana Pi boards now?
[12:23] <nbastin> looks like 3 or 4 at least
[12:23] <tjcarter> The best of them being a SoC similar to a Pi2 with ports similar to a plain original Pi B?
[12:23] <tjcarter> That appears to be the above Amazon link
[12:23] <nbastin> depends on your definition of best.. :-)
[12:23] <nbastin> the above amazon link is sortof second-best...
[12:23] <nbastin> at least from what I could find
[12:24] <nbastin> it's a dual core but with sata and wifi
[12:24] <nid0> a few of them are specialised though, theres one with various wifi and rf adaptors built in, one thats basically a surveillance camera, and one thats a wifi router
[12:24] <nbastin> there's a quad core, no sata
[12:24] <nid0> afaik there's basically 3 "standard" ones now though, the pi1, the p2, and the pi pro
[12:24] <tjcarter> The SATA would be nice, but the quad core is more important
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[12:25] <Berg> where is the pi pro?
[12:25] <Berg> i want one
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[12:25] <tjcarter> http://www.amazon.com/Banana-Pi--Banana-Mainboard-Cortex-A7-Dual-core/dp/B00RD86QPA/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1437560721&sr=1-1&keywords=banana+pi+pro appears to be it
[12:25] <tjcarter> sorry I didn't do my usual trimming to that
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[12:26] <Berg> trimn trim
[12:26] <tjcarter> http://amazon.com/dp/B00RD86QPA
[12:26] <tjcarter> should work
[12:27] <Berg> :)
[12:27] <Berg> its a bit cos5tly and low on usb ports
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[12:27] <nbastin> use a hub.. :-)
[12:27] <nbastin> http://amzn.com/B00MWA5JKM seems basically the same thing?
[12:27] <Berg> i have a few
[12:27] <nid0> or get the banana pi 2
[12:28] <nid0> when its widely available
[12:28] <Berg> so many coming in on this game
[12:28] <nid0> nbastin: that's the standard original bananapi
[12:29] <Berg> ill see what they have in local sites
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[12:29] <Armand> Rather get an ODroid, over the Banana Pi
[12:29] <nbastin> ah right no wifi, so whatever they call M1?
[12:29] <tjcarter> You know, more Pi-like boards is not a bad thing
[12:29] <tjcarter> Having them doesn't IMO detract from the Raspberry Pi
[12:29] <Berg> im not saying its bad its very good
[12:30] <Berg> i have my granson playing with a pi atm
[12:30] <nid0> yeah - m1+ = "standard" pi with no wifi, fewer gpio ports, standard sd slot
[12:30] <Berg> they great
[12:30] <nid0> pro = wifi built in, more gpio, microsd, hdmi output
[12:30] <tjcarter> I do wish HATs were more standardized and stackable like Arduino shields
[12:30] <tjcarter> Some of 'em are, but only some
[12:31] <nid0> m2 = new model, quad core chip up fromn dual, better gpu, hdmi, 4 usb rather than 2
[12:32] <nid0> the m2 loses the sata port though
[12:32] <tjcarter> I also wish some of the cooler boards meant for the model B would get full B+/2 treatments
[12:32] <tjcarter> like the ones that offer kidproofing to the GPIO pins
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[12:35] <tjcarter> 5v tolerance, extra 5v and 3v3 power, and protection against shorting pins where they ought not be shorted in full 40 pin? Yes please. :)
[12:37] <tjcarter> I don't care if that costs as much as the Pi itself, I would buy one for every Pi I ever intend to be in the hands of any student or child. :)
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[12:37] <nbastin> you could sortof trivially build a riser for that
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[12:37] <tjcarter> YOU could. I couldn't. :(
[12:38] * tjcarter knows which end of the iron to hold, but beyond that?
[12:38] <nbastin> :-)
[12:38] * tjcarter is legally blind
[12:38] <Berg> i licked a nine volt batter one time at band camp
[12:38] <Berg> battery
[12:39] <tjcarter> I'm convinced there are exccellent adaptive techniques for a guy like me who wants to solder 0.1 pins
[12:39] <tjcarter> I don't know what they are. :)
[12:39] * Berg is legaly blonde
[12:39] <nbastin> well, so you could design a robot to do it
[12:39] <nbastin> or you could use jumpers to larger spacing.. :-)
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[12:40] <tjcarter> I can handle jumpers and whatnot
[12:40] <Berg> i always put thumb tacks in a timber board and uise them to solder things too
[12:40] <tjcarter> identifying a random resistor or cap without breaking out my DMM ...
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[12:41] <tjcarter> Berg breadboards oldskool
[12:41] <Berg> i got some them too
[12:41] <Berg> i salvage bits from old appliances
[12:41] <Berg> have a box fulla stuff needs sorting
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[12:42] <tjcarter> breadboards were originally what you describe: nails or tacks stuck into a breadboard (for slicing bread) with components attached thereto for easy soldering.
[12:42] <Berg> aye
[12:42] <tjcarter> That's way before my time, but I'm a ham operator, so I know people who remember that stuff.
[12:42] <Berg> i made aq voltage boubler that actualy work onew time at band camp
[12:43] <Berg> doubler
[12:43] <Berg> heheh
[12:43] <Berg> im tires
[12:43] * tjcarter has been reading irc-ese since 1995
[12:43] <tjcarter> probably well before that since they spoke irc-ese on old BBSes.
[12:44] <tjcarter> One of my first BBSes ran a software called Warp Six, if that dates me a bit. :)
[12:45] <Berg> yeah the bulletin board was the place anyone of was someone would go
[12:45] <tjcarter> well, first I called.
[12:45] <tjcarter> the first I ran was on a 386.
[12:45] <Berg> the first5 i connected too was on a vic 20
[12:45] <Berg> is that old?
[12:45] <tjcarter> Similar vintage I think.
[12:45] <Berg> not sure these days
[12:46] <Berg> hmm
[12:46] <tjcarter> Warp Six runs on an Apple //
[12:46] <Berg> i remeber a lot of them things running about only the stuborn survived
[12:46] <Berg> apple mackintosh?
[12:47] <tjcarter> No, like //e or //c
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[12:47] <tjcarter> or IIgs, which was basically a better Macintosh than the original Macintosh ;)
[12:47] <Berg> i used a forget what but it was 300baud or less dial up modem
[12:47] <tjcarter> One of the reasons Teh Steve had it murdered.
[12:47] <Berg> hmm
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[12:48] <Berg> was good fun back then
[12:48] <Berg> my kids used to request games
[12:48] <tjcarter> I r e m e m b e r 3 0 0 b a u d . N o t f o n d l y .
[12:48] <Berg> so i had to make them
[12:49] <Berg> im not sure if i have the right value 300 but i think is correct
[12:49] <Berg> sprites and bytes
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[12:49] <nbastin> we were the first people on the block to have a 1200 baud modem (an atari!), it was awesome
[12:49] <Berg> i forget more then i learned these days
[12:49] <tjcarter> there were 150, 100, 75, 50 baud, but by Vic-20 era 300 and 1200 were available and common.
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[12:50] <Berg> yeah
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[12:50] <Berg> i must have it right then
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[12:50] <Berg> so much fun tunin g the tv into the commodore
[12:50] <nbastin> 300 could still have couplers, I think maybe 1200 was the first speed where you couldn't use a phone coupler
[12:50] <ThinkingofPython> back
[12:50] <tjcarter> My first was a 1200 baud in a time of 14.4 kbps. But I had l i t t l e m o n e y .
[12:50] <Berg> dont remember
[12:51] <Berg> 14
[12:51] <Berg> wow i use dto think 5 kbs was greate
[12:51] <Berg> hehehe4
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[12:51] <Berg> i used to think amiga 500k was huge
[12:51] <Berg> and on it went
[12:51] <tjcarter> (of course I still do--and you're a dork if you immediately got the little money reference)
[12:51] <tjcarter> <-- dork
[12:52] <Berg> i never had much to spare was raising a family
[12:52] <Berg> my first solder attampt was on a commodore 64k
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[12:53] <Berg> i replaced the sound chip
[12:53] <Berg> then i bought one them chip plugs
[12:53] <Berg> and solder it in first
[12:53] <Berg> it worked
[12:54] <Berg> long time back when unicorns roamed
[12:54] <tjcarter> Just wondering Berg, have you heard of a dingus called the Pocket Mail from 2000?
[12:54] <tjcarter> It was a palmtop email terminal. All it did was email.
[12:54] <Berg> 2000
[12:54] <Berg> nar
[12:54] <tjcarter> 2000.
[12:55] <tjcarter> You held the thing up to a phone handset.
[12:55] <Berg> i used a mobile no fancy pager machi9nes etc
[12:55] <tjcarter> which means in 2000, by which time I dunno about you, but I had broadband, it used a 300 baud modem. :)
[12:55] <Berg> 2000 i had cable and 1 full mbs
[12:55] <tjcarter> yup
[12:56] <Berg> i retired in 2000
[12:56] <tjcarter> and you had to use this thing with a handset, so you had to find a payphone
[12:56] <Berg> well sickness fored me to retiure
[12:56] <tjcarter> I think those still existed in 2000, but they were beginning to become a little scarce in some places.
[12:56] <Berg> nope never seen or hear of one
[12:57] <tjcarter> Yeah, the company was in business selling electronics for only a year or two total.
[12:57] <Berg> lazer fax that burn the letters into the paper thatwas cool
[12:57] <Berg> tape player robots that had no eyes or senses
[12:57] <tjcarter> My Katie points out that she hopes whatever email you needed to get/send wasn't TOO urgent since you had to find a payphone to use the damned thing. And at 300 baud most likely, so um...
[12:57] <Berg> program to co-ordinance
[12:58] <tjcarter> cell phones could SMS in 2000 after all.
[12:58] <tjcarter> A device designed to solve a problem maybe six people in the world had. ;)
[12:58] <Berg> i dont know i only used my brick as my kids call it nowe to talk
[12:59] <tjcarter> After the company left the computer peripheral market, apparently they went into Uranium mining.
[12:59] <Berg> hahah sounds logicl
[12:59] <Berg> if you cant bore then to death irradiate them
[12:59] <Berg> hahah too funny
[12:59] <at0m|c> tjcarter: happen to know contemporary bbs server? apt seems to only return a couple clients
[12:59] <nid0> still, better than amstrad's E-m@iler
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[13:04] <_jamesl> Where can I download JUST the Raspi boot files (start.elf, kernel.img, etc.) because rpi-update failed and I got them corrupted. Thanks.
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[13:09] <tjcarter> at0m|c: I don't actually. I know a few exist over telnet, but who'd use them? Security much?
[13:10] <tjcarter> Though in the modern age, laggy ssh isn't really a problem anymore, so if you could create an account on one and upload a ssh pubkey, it could be done
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[13:11] <tjcarter> but what did people use them for back in the day? Message bases we have email lists and a few kooks like my friends over in #a2c.chat (hello any of my friends from there who are here and reading this!) who still use usenet.
[13:12] <tjcarter> File bases are better done by http or ftp anyway.
[13:13] <tjcarter> Doorgames... I dunno, I miss LoRD, Land of Devastation, and a bunch of others (BRE, SRE, TradeWars of course even though it looked like an angry alien fruit salad...)
[13:13] <tjcarter> But these days there are MMO games for that.
[13:13] <tjcarter> What the BBS had that is lost now is the sense of community. :(
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[13:23] <at0m|c> tjcarter: running a bunch of services on my pi, inviting friends to them. like inviting them over to my place for a party, they're getting to know each other. unexpected side-effect :)
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[13:25] <at0m|c> loving the oper-abuse, i add all JID's to other's roster :>
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[13:30] <tjcarter> at0m|c: I like the idea of using the Pi as a basically expendible BBS server.
[13:31] <tjcarter> I like it a lot actually, especially since I have a static IP at home :)
[13:31] <at0m|c> or gopher even :D
[13:31] <at0m|c> tjcarter: afraid.org for free dns
[13:31] <at0m|c> that's easier to remember than ip
[13:31] <at0m|c> even on static
[13:32] <tjcarter> at0m|c: I have my own DNS.
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[13:32] <tjcarter> hello from amaya.notakit.com
[13:32] <at0m|c> that's sorted then :)
[13:32] <tjcarter> I can point other DNSes at it if I need to.
[13:33] <at0m|c> bbl, moving places here.
[13:33] <tjcarter> Now I'd need to have some software and reason for people to use it.
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[13:38] <tjcarter> at0m|c: The major trick to doing this would be that you'd need some kind of user manager that would basically work for ssh and allow people to create an account and upload a ssh key.
[13:38] <tjcarter> I'm not sure how to make that work off the top of my head
[13:39] <tjcarter> alternatively you could have some method of adding keys to authorized_keys via a webpage or something and have people otherwise ssh in without a password to a bbs@domain ...
[13:39] <Kamilion> hm, maybe mosh.mit.edu might help.
[13:39] <tjcarter> could even do a normal login from there
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[13:40] <tjcarter> after all, you're encrypted with a session key at that point.
[13:40] <Kamilion> also, https://github.com/desaster/kippo might also be useful.
[13:40] <tjcarter> But I'd totally rather use a login-via-ssh solution
[13:41] <Kamilion> aye, ssh2 is rather trustworthy so far.
[13:41] <tjcarter> openssh bug last year notwithstanding
[13:41] <tjcarter> and arc4random potential flaws
[13:41] <Kamilion> kippo is a python based honeypot that listens for SSH connections.
[13:42] <Kamilion> and mosh is basically SSH protocol over UDP.
[13:42] <tjcarter> and whatever else the NSA and credit card hackers know that we don't.
[13:42] <Kamilion> kippo's like a SSH bbs, almost, except it fakes being a linux box.
[13:42] <SyncYourDogmas> Passwords/passphrases can be cryptographically strong too
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[13:42] <SyncYourDogmas> And kippo is great
[13:43] <Kamilion> wouldn't be too hard to hack on it to do something else with it or learn about twisted conch
[13:44] <Kamilion> ooh, a new kippo fork. https://github.com/micheloosterhof/cowrie
[13:44] <SyncYourDogmas> tjcarter: are you wondering what services to run?
[13:44] <tjcarter> nah
[13:45] <Kamilion> https://github.com/jquast/x84 there's also a number of existing BBS clones.
[13:45] <tjcarter> I'm pondering what would make an oldskool BBS worth doing today.
[13:45] <Kamilion> tradewars or green dragon, i guess.
[13:45] <SyncYourDogmas> Ah like a modern use for it?
[13:45] <tjcarter> LOL
[13:45] <Kamilion> multiuser chat isn't quite as compelling anymore.
[13:45] <tjcarter> I know Seth Able did port LoRD to C at some point
[13:45] <Kamilion> and muds and mucks don't really see much traffic either.
[13:46] <tjcarter> did it for Wildcat and whatever their successor was
[13:46] <SyncYourDogmas> Well irc has managed to cling on so far. .
[13:46] <Kamilion> pffft, irc is too simple to die out entirely, like FTP.
[13:46] <Kamilion> damn zombie processes.
[13:46] <Kamilion> er, i mean... <.<
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[13:46] <SyncYourDogmas> I haven't used ftp in years :p
[13:46] <tjcarter> Near the mid to late 90s he outgrew Renegade which he used before then
[13:46] <tjcarter> got some fancified big commercial product BBS
[13:47] <SyncYourDogmas> Didn't people use bbss for file sharing?
[13:47] <tjcarter> couple hundred dollars, but it was actively supported.
[13:47] <Kamilion> SyncYourDogmas: there's always *something*. I have to fall back all the way to TFTP when i have to reflash openwrt sometimes.
[13:47] <tjcarter> SyncYourDogmas: they did, but who needs that when you have http and torrents nowadays?
[13:47] <Kamilion> yeah, BBSes were indeed used for file trading before IRC XDCCs and !fserves became common with the advent of mIRC scripting in the mid 90s.
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[13:47] <tjcarter> what are you gonna do, use zmodem over ssh? :)
[13:47] <Kamilion> could trade .torrents or magnets...
[13:48] <SyncYourDogmas> tjcarter: same could be said for chatting on them :p
[13:48] <tjcarter> exactly
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[13:48] <SyncYourDogmas> It's quite fun to practice hacking friends pis, with permission
[13:49] <SyncYourDogmas> Bbs is another open port
[13:49] <Kamilion> i guess you could run a multiuser nethack server. :3
[13:50] <Kamilion> go slap rodney around a bit
[13:50] <tjcarter> I said before: the things people did on BBSes were games, messages, and files. Files are done better by http/ftp/torrents. Games ... well the games of the day aren't really common anymore and are replaced with things like MMOs. And message bases have been replaced by mailing lists. Were replaced by usenet, but frankly that's fairly dead unless you hang out on #a2c.chat ;) Forums maybe.
[13:50] <Kamilion> couple YASDs, followed by YAAP
[13:50] <tjcarter> So what's an oldskool BBS got to offer except maybe those old games?
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[13:51] <Kamilion> phat ansi graphics?
[13:51] <tjcarter> And those old games aren't terribly good at being multiplayer at least at once.
[13:51] <SyncYourDogmas> nostalgia
[13:51] <tjcarter> Kamilion: ANSI graphics don't work too well since these days we tend to use UTF-8
[13:51] <Kamilion> tradewars wasn't too bad, but yeah, Eve online or elite dangerous definitely win.
[13:51] <tjcarter> although, you could do UTF-8 graphics I suppose.
[13:52] <tjcarter> Those DOS characters are in Unicode after all
[13:52] <Kamilion> most of the terminal clients handle VT100/VT220 ANSI decoding
[13:52] <tjcarter> Wasn't talking colors
[13:52] <tjcarter> character sets are the issues
[13:52] <Kamilion> aye.
[13:52] <SyncYourDogmas> Plenty of irc servers use ascii for some reason
[13:52] <tjcarter> Most of those graphics in the US are coded for cp437
[13:52] <Kamilion> the normal CP437 set should be fine
[13:53] <tjcarter> I suppose you could iconv them to utf8.
[13:53] <Kamilion> if you're lacking those characters, stuff like htop wouldn't work quite right.
[13:53] <Kamilion> and it's been a long time since I've seen a termcap-screwed htop. :)
[13:53] <Kamilion> but with things like CoolRetroTerminal around these days...
[13:54] <Kamilion> https://github.com/Swordfish90/cool-retro-term
[13:54] <SyncYourDogmas> I have an irc bot that struggles with encoding issues, total pain in python 2
[13:54] <Kamilion> one of my favorite things to play with on my pi
[13:55] <Kamilion> they include a REALLY nice Atari ST font.
[13:55] <SyncYourDogmas> To actually use as a terminal?
[13:55] <Kamilion> yep
[13:55] <SyncYourDogmas> It's impressive but looks annoying to read
[13:56] <Kamilion> depends on the settings and shaders enabled.
[13:56] <Kamilion> cranking up the hsync jitter really makes it hard to use
[13:57] <SyncYourDogmas> Does it act like a normal terminal, ssh compatible etc?
[13:57] <SyncYourDogmas> Doesn't need x11
[13:57] <Kamilion> definitely needs X11.
[13:58] <Kamilion> oh
[13:58] <Kamilion> yeah
[13:58] <Kamilion> it does
[13:58] <Kamilion> http://puu.sh/j8uVy/a3b10428ef.jpg
[13:58] <Kamilion> http://puu.sh/j8uY2/ea0da1707f.jpg
[13:59] <tjcarter> SyncYourDogmas: anyway, my thought is that pretty much anything we'd use BBSes for today has been done better on the Internet as a whole, save for the community aspect. The Internet doesn't really have the small community feel BBSes did, and it never will, really.
[14:00] <Kamilion> tjcarter: not unless you're in north korea
[14:00] <tjcarter> Many BBSes were local and they had people you'd actually meet for coffee or pizza or something.
[14:00] <Kamilion> http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2015/07/a-handy-cheat-sheet-for-north-koreas-private-internet/
[14:00] <tjcarter> Kamilion: they're not connected to the Internet. They're connected to a government server that's called "Internet" where they can be monitored if they say Kim's a dumbass. ;)
[14:00] <Kamilion> all the IP addresses you'll ever need to know as a north korean citizen.
[14:01] <tjcarter> monitored, tracked, arrested, and executed.
[14:01] <tjcarter> and then tried. ;)
[14:01] <SyncYourDogmas> tjcarter: I certainly hope things have improved in three decades. My university course alumni channel is quite good
[14:01] <ozzzy> sounds like the US
[14:01] <tjcarter> ozzzy: Nah, I can call Barack Obama a dumbass at will.
[14:01] <Kamilion> once upon a time, somewhere in 1988 or so, our internet looked like that too.
[14:01] <Kamilion> everyone relied on the hosts file :)
[14:01] <Berg> hmm 3 decades not long
[14:02] <ozzzy> as long as you're black and don't fail to signal a turn
[14:02] <tjcarter> Usually do, right after he opens his mouth. :) But that's off topic here.
[14:02] <ozzzy> I haven't listened to Obama speak yet... not about to start LOL
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[14:02] <Berg> heheh
[14:02] <tjcarter> (FWIW, I'm fairly equal opportunity about that when it comes to politicians, don't get me started on that thing on Donald Trump's head that's running for president.)
[14:02] <tjcarter> I'm pretty sure that's some sort of hairy brain slug.
[14:03] <SyncYourDogmas> He won't make it, no chance
[14:03] <Berg> like i say it takes great wisdome to rule a contry not karisma
[14:03] <tjcarter> nah
[14:03] <ozzzy> hehe... hairy brain slug
[14:03] <ozzzy> I like it
[14:03] <tjcarter> Personally I am hoping for Sanders vs. Paul. That'd make for an interesting election year. There's no way in hell either party will EVER let that happen.
[14:04] <Berg> I cant wait till iran gets to vote in the US elections
[14:04] <Berg> :)
[14:04] <tjcarter> People might actually start having a debate about the political process then, and that'd be dangerous for the weasels.
[14:04] <Berg> la la la
[14:04] <Berg> but im a aussie so my thoughts are irrelevent
[14:04] <tjcarter> About US elections, sure.
[14:05] <ozzzy> I find US politics to be wonderful entertainment
[14:05] <Berg> but its fun to watch
[14:05] <tjcarter> Though you've had some rather interesting ones on your half of the planet rcently.
[14:05] <Berg> they gone now
[14:05] <SyncYourDogmas> I'm not American either, makes uk politics look sane
[14:05] <tjcarter> As I understand it, that's probably for the best.
[14:05] <Berg> they was the clown club and carbon tax profesionals
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[14:05] <Berg> you cameron fellar is ok
[14:06] <tjcarter> SyncYourDogmas: Don't your MPs occasionally actually beat some sense into one another now and then?
[14:06] <SyncYourDogmas> Banning encryption?
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[14:06] <Berg> I am happy if we all have cake
[14:06] <tjcarter> nah, they're actually surprisingly civil about saying that the MP from across the aisle is a complete tosser.
[14:07] <SyncYourDogmas> tjcarter: they get criticised for it, for jeering and name calling, but yeah
[14:07] <Berg> you talk like a pommy tjcarter
[14:07] <Berg> tosser is pommy slang
[14:08] <tjcarter> If you're not jeering and name calling in politics, you're not paying attention.
[14:08] <SyncYourDogmas> Berg: look up the snoopers charter if you like Cameron, it's insane
[14:08] <Berg> we want that guyt that battacked the defenceless shark jailed
[14:09] <tjcarter> In American politics parlance, I'm right of center (whatever that means), but I think most of the Democrats and Republicans alike should be shot.
[14:09] <Berg> how evil is thta shark going about his own tasks and a surfer attacked him
[14:09] <tjcarter> I think this not because I don't know what they've been up to, but rather because I follow it and I _DO_ know what they're up to.
[14:10] <Berg> back when you first wrote the magna charter in usa they was all independents looking after their own state so to speak
[14:10] <tjcarter> So if I set up a pi to be a BBS, the NSA would probably want an account to be sure I wasn't actually doing more than thinking it.
[14:10] <SyncYourDogmas> Speaking of services btw, what are some good ones that are more unusual /unknown?
[14:10] <Berg> no parties
[14:10] * tjcarter makes a desperate attempt to return to topic :)
[14:10] <Berg> hehehe
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[14:11] <Berg> so maths or math?
[14:11] <Berg> oops thats time delay
[14:12] <tjcarter> usually "math", being an American and all. But if I've been hanging out with the right group of people, I'll likely fall into saying maths.
[14:12] <nid0> maths, because more people use it with an s on the end
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[14:13] <SyncYourDogmas> Fwiw I found this link useful for my pi
[14:13] <SyncYourDogmas> http://kkovacs.eu/cool-but-obscure-unix-tools/
[14:13] <SyncYourDogmas> And its now full of network monitors. .
[14:13] <tjcarter> But then I'm a very strange person when it comes to language. I grew up in Southern California and Oregon. I've been described as speaking with a rather Midwestern American accent despite this.
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[14:13] <Berg> http://www.ebay.com/itm/US-020-3-400cm-Distance-Measuring-Ultrasonic-Transmitting-Receiving-Module-5V-/310894258815?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4862bdea7f
[14:14] <tjcarter> Probably because of growing up with speech synthesizers and tre effort I spent trying to get them to pronounce words properly.
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[14:16] <SyncYourDogmas> Berg: did you look into tiling window managers like awesome btw?
[14:16] <Berg> yes
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[14:17] <Berg> i wenjt with lxde for now
[14:17] <Berg> but thats not to say i cant test them all
[14:17] <Berg> i installed it with minibain
[14:17] <tjcarter> one thing I would kind of like to do is get a compositing window manager set up without a HUGE amount of resource drain.
[14:17] <Berg> thats very tiny os for what it can do
[14:17] <tjcarter> I don't know if that actually exists. :P
[14:17] <SyncYourDogmas> I used to mix awesome with lxde, you can embed it
[14:18] <Berg> yeah i sawe that
[14:18] <tjcarter> I figure this thing's got the GPU, why not use it?
[14:18] <SyncYourDogmas> Pi can probably handle it
[14:18] <Berg> its on my toy pi for learning stuff so wiping the os dont matter much
[14:18] <tjcarter> It should
[14:19] <Berg> i tried the lightmd dont like that one
[14:19] <SyncYourDogmas> I like my screen real estate filled with tiles though
[14:19] <tjcarter> and I'd really like the ability to have Mac-style zoom, and large cursor that actually works, and perhaps also the screen inversion feature
[14:19] <Berg> the gnome deslktop is yuk thats a tech term
[14:19] <tjcarter> I use that a lot when web browsing on the Mac
[14:19] <Berg> yuk means i donty like it
[14:19] <SyncYourDogmas> You should be able to change the cursor size
[14:19] <tjcarter> I'm otherwise okay with my LXDE setup
[14:20] <Berg> yeah
[14:20] <tjcarter> SyncYourDogmas: You can and I did, but you have to do it in a few different places.
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[14:20] * Berg kicks The_Borg
[14:20] <tjcarter> You have to do it in the LXDE session, and also a gtkrc or two, and probably a Qt file and an X resource would be necessary as well, but I haven't done them.
[14:20] <Berg> he is on my pi
[14:20] <tjcarter> I do know that Midori doesn't have my large cursor
[14:21] <tjcarter> Of course Midori keeps being told it's too old to work with most websites
[14:21] <tjcarter> github, google, you name it.
[14:21] <tjcarter> Chromium too
[14:21] <Berg> its not alone in that tjcarter
[14:21] <SyncYourDogmas> Sounds a pain, I got annoyed with the complexity of it and use xinitrc
[14:21] <tjcarter> We need to either get moving on the jessie or get some wheezy backports
[14:22] <Berg> thow iceweasel into rasbiarin by default
[14:22] <tjcarter> SyncYourDogmas: the workaround to having to set things like cursors everywhere is to use one of the fancy 3D wm's :)
[14:22] <SyncYourDogmas> Berg: it is actually
[14:23] <tjcarter> The GPU could do all the fancy 3D effects well enough (or at least the modest ones), but I don't see the need to do that really.
[14:23] <Berg> i see empathey in the rasbain i intsalled from raspberry pi siute
[14:23] <tjcarter> I use a Mac for most desktop work after all
[14:23] <Berg> empathy
[14:23] <SyncYourDogmas> tjcarter: shouldn't it just be in xsession? I ssh majority of the time myself so not looked into it
[14:24] <Berg> lxde has weasel by default
[14:24] <tjcarter> I'm used to the GPU being used for subpixel smoothing, smooth scaling, easy transparency, and little else by default.
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[14:24] <tjcarter> SyncYourDogmas: no, because GTK+ and other toolkits override these things.
[14:25] <tjcarter> Wasn't terribly enamored of empathy
[14:25] <SyncYourDogmas> tjcarter: but gtk is the programming framework, should be nothing to do with a configuration file
[14:25] <tjcarter> SyncYourDogmas: gtkrc is a configuration file.
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[14:26] <SyncYourDogmas> Hmm, I'm out of touch then
[14:26] <tjcarter> It's not gtkrc in 3.0
[14:27] <tjcarter> it's ~/.config/gtk-3.0/settings.ini
[14:27] <tjcarter> and the key line in mine is gtk-cursor-theme-size=48
[14:27] <tjcarter> Yes 48.
[14:27] <tjcarter> Legally blind, as I said. :)
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[14:28] <SyncYourDogmas> Do you change resolution too?
[14:28] <Berg> in warzone3 they have directions sound in the game you could get that code and listen for where your cursor is?
[14:28] * Berg snickers
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[14:28] <tjcarter> I'm using DejaVu Sans Mono Bold 14 for my terminals, on a 20" TV running 720p
[14:29] <SyncYourDogmas> Or text size rather
[14:29] <tjcarter> 100x25 terminal is mostly fullscreen.
[14:29] <SyncYourDogmas> I use 16 lol
[14:29] <ThinkingofPython> Some day.
[14:29] <ThinkingofPython> Someday...the pi education fund shall reopen
[14:29] <ThinkingofPython> and I shall claim it as mine.
[14:30] <tjcarter> I do use gnome-terminal over lxterminal (256color reasons)
[14:30] <MathCampbell> i wish there was a way to increase the Pi’s graphics capabilities
[14:30] <MathCampbell> mind you, the 2 is better so…
[14:30] <tjcarter> the 2 still uses videocore iv doesn't it?
[14:30] <SyncYourDogmas> Yeah I use xterm also for colour reasons
[14:31] <MathCampbell> not sure - i was told the 2 is better...
[14:31] <MathCampbell> i’m a pi virgin..don’t even have one yet.
[14:31] <tjcarter> I like the URL handling in gnome-terminal
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[14:31] <SyncYourDogmas> They're pretty cheap, just buy one :P
[14:32] <MathCampbell> my main interst was sparked by a wearables team-project I’m working on…but i’d love to do a home-automation thing with pi, but that’s just on my own…
[14:32] * ozzzy wrote a patch for gnome-terminal way back when.... the maintainer ignored it
[14:32] <Berg> heheh
[14:32] <Berg> home automation p2 excells
[14:33] <Berg> they like a new puppy\
[14:33] <MathCampbell> hooking it all into Apple’s HomeKit would be awesome
[14:33] <Berg> swearing not allowed
[14:33] <Berg> apple humbug
[14:34] <ThinkingofPython> You can swear.
[14:34] <ThinkingofPython> Just do it at Davespice and no one else.
[14:34] <ThinkingofPython> Hey Davespice, you smell.
[14:34] <ThinkingofPython> :)
[14:34] <SyncYourDogmas> I've been asked to sense humidity and control a dehumidifier. ..by pressing buttons
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[14:35] <ozzzy> that's not hard
[14:35] <MathCampbell> don’t hate on the big fruit ;)
[14:35] <Berg> im teasing
[14:35] <ThinkingofPython> inb4 ban
[14:35] <SyncYourDogmas> Physically pressing buttons? I'm unsure
[14:35] * ThinkingofPython klined
[14:35] <MathCampbell> just as happy to integrate with google’s voice offerings too...
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[14:35] <MathCampbell> i don’t care about platform…i just want to be able to say “lights” when I enter the room and they come on
[14:35] <ThinkingofPython> ^thatd be fun
[14:35] <nid0> hue bulbs + amazon echo, job done
[14:36] <ThinkingofPython> but how to wire everything up? :p
[14:36] <nid0> or hue bulbs + any kind of voice recognition software on a pi
[14:36] <MathCampbell> voice rec software is out...
[14:36] <ThinkingofPython> What if you're having a conversation
[14:36] <ThinkingofPython> and it trips?
[14:36] <ThinkingofPython> Like
[14:36] <SyncYourDogmas> MathCampbell: I would use local software for that, no idea about wiring though
[14:36] <ThinkingofPython> "Oh man, this phone screen is so light!"
[14:36] <ThinkingofPython> *lights turn off*
[14:36] <ThinkingofPython> fuuuu
[14:36] <MathCampbell> if you’re using google or apple (or even MS’s, fine), but local softeware is a joke
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[14:37] <nid0> swap hue bulbs with lifx bulbs or any zigbee/x10/lightwaverf switches as appropriate
[14:37] <MathCampbell> even Siri etc aren’t perfect
[14:37] <MathCampbell> SmartThings stuff looks pretty cool...
[14:37] <MathCampbell> but there’s so many competing standards out there. This is somewhere IEEE has let us down
[14:37] <SyncYourDogmas> MathCampbell: vista had local voice recognition, surely there's decent stuff now
[14:38] <MathCampbell> no, it’s still awful lol
[14:38] <MathCampbell> only 2 voice recs I’ve seen that are even passably useful are google now and siri
[14:38] <ThinkingofPython> If you pay about $300000 a year, you can have really good voice rec
[14:38] <ThinkingofPython> My friend uses it in his warehouse
[14:38] <nid0> HA stuff is all still in its infancy for now which is why we have api's and ITTT to hook things together, once stuff gains traction though a couple of larger standards will undoubtedly win out and talk to each other
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[14:39] <ThinkingofPython> VOIP based voice rec software (and the expensivveeeee hardware to go with it) costs a lot
[14:39] <nid0> most competing standards ultimately do already basically use zigbee or zwave anyway
[14:39] <MathCampbell> yeah they’re all zbee
[14:39] <ThinkingofPython> but I reckon there's some nice stuff out there for cheap or free
[14:39] <MathCampbell> but the control devices etc. won’t talk to one another, so you choose insteon or SmartThings etc. and you can’t combine kit
[14:40] <MathCampbell> ThinkingofPython: even then, I’ve tried the industrial stuff
[14:40] <SyncYourDogmas> What is the data exported as?
[14:40] <MathCampbell> still hopeless
[14:40] <ThinkingofPython> Really MathCampbell ?
[14:40] <ThinkingofPython> That sucks :(
[14:40] <MathCampbell> literally Siri & Google Now are the only two I’ve seen that can recognise words here
[14:40] <SyncYourDogmas> Or is it a proprietary binary format
[14:40] <ThinkingofPython> My friend uses one, and says it works really well. However, his are just word command based
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[14:40] <ThinkingofPython> Like it has a dictionary of words
[14:40] <MathCampbell> i should preface this - *most* of even the cheap stuff can do just FINE…for you.
[14:40] <MathCampbell> here though, no chance
[14:40] <ThinkingofPython> so you cant be like "Find me the weather forcast"
[14:40] <MathCampbell> I live in Scotland.
[14:41] <nid0> well thats all you need if you just want "lights on"
[14:41] <MathCampbell> no, you want intelligence
[14:41] <ThinkingofPython> Its more like "Crate A.....load...B spot"
[14:41] <Bilby> MathCampbell, no luck trying Dragon? Also... love the nick
[14:41] <ThinkingofPython> however, this is in Chinese, not English
[14:41] <MathCampbell> but that’s just software..voice-rec is geting your words. Interpreting is another thing entirely
[14:41] <ThinkingofPython> so it's probably tailored to Chinese ;)
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[14:41] <MathCampbell> Bilby: dragon..hah. Can’t do scottish vowels
[14:42] <tjcarter> whelp, the Pi just died
[14:42] <MathCampbell> it’s a well-known problem - Scottish voices aren’t good for voice rec
[14:42] <tjcarter> Apparently my overclock settings were not as stable as I thought
[14:42] <Bilby> well... do your best john wayne?
[14:42] <tjcarter> I turned the RAM back down to 475
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[14:42] <MathCampbell> also Bilby , the nick is my name ;)
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[14:43] <tjcarter> This thing is definitely not stable with RAM clock at 500
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[14:43] <MathCampbell> http://imgur.com/wFLUC5F
[14:43] <ThinkingofPython> tjcarter is it a Pi2?
[14:43] <tjcarter> yes
[14:43] <MathCampbell> relevent comedy sketch is relevent
[14:43] <ThinkingofPython> MathCampbell Are you from Northern Soctland?
[14:43] <SyncYourDogmas> Scottish voices aren't great for understanding in general, i used to live there
[14:43] <MathCampbell> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5FFRoYhTJQQ
[14:43] <MathCampbell> even
[14:43] <tjcarter> The ARM clock can be 1100 and not bat an eye (over voltage 3)
[14:43] <MathCampbell> western scotland actually ;)
[14:43] <ThinkingofPython> No one can understand that accent, let alone a computer
[14:43] <Bilby> MathCampbell verra nice. Can I sleep on your couch?
[14:43] <ThinkingofPython> ;)
[14:43] <MathCampbell> watch that video...
[14:44] <ThinkingofPython> I knew this girl from North Scotland (I'm from Canada)
[14:44] <ThinkingofPython> when she spoke, I just pretended to understand
[14:44] <ThinkingofPython> and nodded my head.
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[14:44] <ThinkingofPython> and then she said my accent was thick, hah.
[14:44] <ThinkingofPython> Mines pretty damn neutral
[14:45] <Bilby> Understanding the Scottish accent is easy
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[14:45] <MathCampbell> hah, i live in a bad area, but couch is always here
[14:45] <Bilby> you just unfocus and let the words flow through you. don't try to understand each word, try to understand the import ie where we're going to drink tonight
[14:45] <SyncYourDogmas> Bilby: go to Glasgow on a Saturday night and say that. .
[14:46] <ThinkingofPython> yeah, the girl was from glasgow
[14:46] <Bilby> I'd love to haha
[14:47] <MathCampbell> Scots isn’t actually the same language as English…it’s like danish to nrowegian
[14:47] <MathCampbell> hence why voice-rec fails so pathetically
[14:47] <MathCampbell> if someone sat down and targetted scotland, it’d be fine. But it’s all aimed at american english, which is close enough to british english to not make a diffreence
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[14:47] <SyncYourDogmas> Scots also isn't spoken anymore; )
[14:48] <Bilby> gutteral 'l' and a back-of-the-tongue sound is pretty damned hard to decypher, apparently :P
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[14:48] <ThinkingofPython> MathCampbell There are some major differences between British and American ;)
[14:48] <MathCampbell> not compared to scots & english there’s not
[14:48] <ThinkingofPython> American and Canadian speaking? Not much. British and Canadian Writing, nope. But for all others, there is major differs xD
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[14:49] <ThinkingofPython> My GF says stuff sometimes (Shes from North Britain) and Im like "wut did you just say"
[14:49] <MathCampbell> for example: “That’s a lovely skirt you have on Mary..what colour is it?” (British English)
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[14:49] <ThinkingofPython> I'm from Ontario, Toronto.
[14:49] <Bilby> MathCampbell laughing my ass off at athat video
[14:49] <MathCampbell> “That’s a lovely skirt you have on, Mary…what color is it?” US English
[14:49] <ThinkingofPython> "Those pants you are wearing are very nice" - Canadian
[14:49] <ThinkingofPython> "Those underwear you have on are very nice" - British
[14:50] <ThinkingofPython> Pants = Underwear in British. But Pants = trousers in Canadian
[14:50] <MathCampbell> “Och, a braw scrap you’ve there Miaree…wits the tartan though?”
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[14:50] <ThinkingofPython> lol MathCampbell
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[14:51] <ThinkingofPython> My friend always says "Your wan"
[14:51] <ThinkingofPython> means "a girl"
[14:51] <Bilby> lol!
[14:51] <ThinkingofPython> Im like "what is a wan, and how is it mine"
[14:51] <ThinkingofPython> "Your wan in the movie man. Such a good actress"
[14:51] <ThinkingofPython> "wut"
[14:51] <Bilby> Wide Area Network
[14:51] <ThinkingofPython> hahaha Bilby
[14:52] <ThinkingofPython> Wan sounds like Juan
[14:52] <ThinkingofPython> WAN sounds like waaaaaaaaaan
[14:52] <MathCampbell> no, wan is one
[14:52] <ThinkingofPython> lol
[14:52] <MathCampbell> but in Scots, referring to a person as “one” is common
[14:52] <ThinkingofPython> wan = rhymes with and
[14:52] <Bilby> wait, Juan is a woman?
[14:52] <ThinkingofPython> Irish people say "Tree" instead of three
[14:52] <ThinkingofPython> lol Bilby
[14:52] <Bilby> canadians say Zed
[14:53] <ThinkingofPython> ^I say Zee
[14:53] <MathCampbell> so “Who’s yer man was in that film with the wan wie the bla duffle”
[14:53] <ThinkingofPython> ^yep
[14:53] <Bilby> hell, americans say "aloominum"
[14:53] <ThinkingofPython> Yeah, Canadians say that too, Bilby
[14:53] <ozzzy> nobody says 'trousers' in Canada
[14:53] <ThinkingofPython> Minimize vs Minimise
[14:53] <ThinkingofPython> Yep, that's right ozzzy
[14:53] <ThinkingofPython> Nobody.
[14:53] <ThinkingofPython> I didnt even know what the word meant
[14:53] <MathCampbell> difference is rtho candaian & US english ar just variants of English
[14:53] <ThinkingofPython> Yeah
[14:54] <ThinkingofPython> Canadian is a mix of US and British English
[14:54] <ozzzy> the last time I heard anything like 'trousers' was a scot talking about tartan trous
[14:54] <MathCampbell> but Scots really is a competely different language…and most Scottish folk don’t speak it all the time, but speak a mix of Scots & English, making voice-rec even harder...
[14:54] <ThinkingofPython> We write Colour
[14:54] <ThinkingofPython> ah, like Chinglish.
[14:54] <MathCampbell> because they might start a senteance in english and break into scots
[14:54] <MathCampbell> yeah
[14:54] <ThinkingofPython> Cantonese + English (Not Chinese + English!!! There's no language called Chinese!)
[14:54] <ThinkingofPython> There's Mandarin, Cantonese, Hakka, etc.
[14:54] <ozzzy> all chinese to me
[14:54] <ThinkingofPython> But Mandarin speakers dont put English in with it. Cantonese speaks who speak "Biwa" (HK Cantonese) do.
[14:55] <ThinkingofPython> Those that speak Guangdongwa (China Cantonese) seldomly do.
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[14:55] <Bilby> We have Amish around here, and a lot of the non-Amish that are close to them speak a mixture of English and Pennsylvenia Dutch
[14:55] <Bilby> which makes for a confusing conversation to follow
[14:55] <ozzzy> and pennsylvania dutch is just german
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[14:57] <Bilby> well... kidna
[14:57] <MathCampbell> aye...
[14:57] <Bilby> It's like Ye Olde German
[14:57] <MathCampbell> and when scots mixes with english, the voice-rec hasn’t got a fucking hope
[14:57] <ozzzy> was never 'dutch'
[14:57] <ozzzy> LOL
[14:57] <Bilby> right
[14:57] <MathCampbell> hence my sticking to Siri or GoogleNow
[14:57] <Bilby> not dutch, but deutche
[14:58] <ozzzy> yep
[14:58] <MathCampbell> saying that for home-auto i’m tempted to just buy some insteon or something
[14:58] <ThinkingofPython> Canadian French = Ye Old France French
[14:58] <ThinkingofPython> France French = modern
[14:58] <Bilby> but... 'murica. 23 thousand accents and lots of alcohol and you get some word mixing
[14:58] <ThinkingofPython> lol Bilby
[14:58] <MathCampbell> building it from scratch with a pi could be fun but I imagine there’llbe a whole lot of work that I could just buy a kit and do in 5 minutes
[14:58] <ThinkingofPython> murika
[14:58] <Bilby> Creole French - French w/ Mosquitos
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[14:59] <ThinkingofPython> LOL
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[15:00] <ThinkingofPython> I speak English and Cantonese. I can read/write English, and Canadian French.
[15:00] <Bilby> It's 9:00 AM local time and i am currently dying for some gumbo
[15:00] <ThinkingofPython> Cannot write Cantonese (except a few small things), and I forget how to speak French. Havent studied it in years. I can read it fluently because everything in Canada is 50/50 French and English
[15:00] <ThinkingofPython> So everyday, you see tons and tons of stuff in both and just understand it after a while
[15:01] <Bilby> hah
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[15:01] * ozzzy hasn't read the french stuff since he moved from montreal
[15:01] <ThinkingofPython> ^good man
[15:01] <ThinkingofPython> lol
[15:01] <ThinkingofPython> Where are you in Canada now?
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[15:01] <ozzzy> London
[15:01] <ThinkingofPython> I was in Toronto, born in Kingston :)
[15:01] <ThinkingofPython> Ah nice
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[15:02] <ozzzy> I was born in Montreal... lived all over
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[15:03] <ThinkingofPython> Writing Traditional Chinese is hard D:
[15:03] <ThinkingofPython> I can do it on my phone, because I know the word, but I cannot write it at all
[15:04] <ozzzy> If english was good enough for Jesus it's good enough for me
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[15:04] <SyncYourDogmas> ?
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[15:05] <ThinkingofPython> lol ozzzy
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[15:05] <ozzzy> =)
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[15:06] <ThinkingofPython> This is the most difficult traditional character to write
[15:06] <ThinkingofPython> http://mentalfloss.com/article/50581/what-most-complex-chinese-character
[15:06] <ThinkingofPython> 57 strokes.
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[15:35] <ThinkingofPython> hey Tom-Servo
[15:35] <Tom-Servo> hello
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[15:36] <Tom-Servo> Where's the best time/place in the raspberry pi bootup to place a cp /boot/interfaces /etc/network/interfaces
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[15:37] <Tom-Servo> I'm assuming right after root is mounted
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[15:37] <Bilby> soudns right
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[15:42] <Bhaal> Hmmmmm, after upgrade to 4.x kernel etc long exposure images have gone dark :/
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[15:43] <samek> hello
[15:44] <samek> what is the expected throughput for raspberrypi 2 (model b)? i'm doing some iperf3 tests and upload goes as expected up to 91-94 mbit/s, but download goes only up to 45 mbit/s
[15:44] <Tom-Servo> so I guess the question is what file during the init scripts invokes mountall/fstab
[15:45] <Bilby> samek are you reading/writing to SD card or external drive? you should be able to fairly saturate the 100mbit ethernet jack with the internal card
[15:47] <samek> Bilby: i'm doing memory-to-memory test, if i use sd card it's even slower - expected
[15:47] <Bilby> Tom-Servo, check this link? http://www.stuffaboutcode.com/2012/06/raspberry-pi-run-program-at-start-up.html
[15:47] <Bilby> Ah
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[15:48] <Tom-Servo> Bilby coo I will, thanks
[15:48] <Bilby> I'm not sure in that case. Why are you testing memory-memory?
[15:48] <samek> memory is a lot faster
[15:48] <samek> and it's the default iperf setting :)
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[15:49] <Bilby> *shrug* ionno
[15:49] <Bilby> I don't test things <_<
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[15:50] <samek> i suspect it's a linux thing, because if I use UDP and the right BW limit, like 90 Mbit/s, it works
[15:51] <samek> as it should
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[15:57] <Astroid> Haven't touched my pi in a few weeks, "connection failed" when entering correct login credentials when SSHing using kitty now =(
[15:57] <Astroid> And no time to fix until ssaturday since heading to work
[15:57] <samek> as it should
[15:58] <samek> err, wrong console window ...
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[15:59] <Astroid> Made me join a related IRC channel though so that's good.
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[16:01] <agile_prg> I am curious how pyqt is compiled to run on the rapsberrypi, anyone know?
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[16:04] <Bilby> not offhand. others are usually more active in the afternoon
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[16:41] <biberao> hi
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[17:07] <calimero_82> hi
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[17:07] <DarkArcher117> hey
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[17:11] <calimero_82> when kodi on raspberry pi2 is blocked what should i do? to remove the power plug?
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[17:15] <tjcarter> calimero_82: running under OpenELEC?
[17:15] <calimero_82> yes tjcarter
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[17:15] <tjcarter> yank the power and have little fear
[17:15] <tjcarter> your whole rootfs is read-only :)
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[17:16] <tjcarter> and turn down your overclocking settings a little probably ;)
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[17:16] <tjcarter> I found my RAM can't quite do 500 MHz. :P
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[17:16] <tjcarter> It seems to handle 475
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[17:17] <tjcarter> I pushed it higher and got it to 494 and it seemed stable. Then it crashed hard.
[17:17] <alchemistswl> Had to cool raspi with ice yesterday
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[17:17] <alchemistswl> was running at about 80°C while compiling
[17:17] <tjcarter> ...
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[17:17] <tjcarter> the pi is good to 85 :)
[17:18] <tjcarter> it throttles itself at that point.
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[17:18] <tjcarter> (I throttle mine at 75)
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[17:18] <Apocx> Is buildling the Linux kernel for Raspbian relatively straight forward or can I expect it to be a headache.
[17:19] <calimero_82> there's a guide to clean up the openelec, maybe there are incompleted files on it
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[17:19] <calimero_82> ?
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[17:20] <tjcarter> As I have a non-confining enclosure and a pretty decent heatsink (which people keep telling me I don't actually really need), I measure that I can get 7-10 degrees lower temperatures, so I use it and my temps rarely top 60.
[17:20] <tjcarter> put a heatsink in a closed box with no ventilation and good luck with that.
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[17:22] <alchemistswl> dont have a heatsink and it was running at 80°C with ice around it
[17:22] <alchemistswl> so go figure <_>
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[17:30] <calimero_82> the temp files are removed at the reboot?
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[17:48] <Apocx> Don't suppose there's anyway to directly connect USB wires to the Pi without having to splice a USB cable for it is there
[17:49] <shiftplusone> depends on what you mean.
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[17:51] <Apocx> Trying to connect a device that has a USB header to the Pi. I could use a cable to go from the USB wiring to a USB A connector, but I'd like a more permanent solution, i.e. could I desolder the USB connector and solder the USB wiring directly to the board?
[17:52] <Apocx> Looks like this guy did it so I guess it's possible: https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=29&t=8686
[17:53] <Apocx> Though I'd be using a Pi 2
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