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IRC Log for 2015-07-28

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[1:08] <elephaant> wow, rpi is so outdated lol
[1:08] <elephaant> the software I mean
[1:08] <elephaant> raspbian
[1:08] <elephaant> bugs and security holes everywhere.
[1:09] <swiss> i feel like someone is bad at linux
[1:09] <elephaant> I've found 3 ways to root a default and upgraded rpi in only 2 days.
[1:10] <swiss> if you've updated, and you found new ways in, you should be submitting bug reports to debian
[1:10] <elephaant> swiss: yeah. I'm so bad. An idiot like me is bad because I don't want to compile 100 different libraries from source on a pi.
[1:10] <swiss> otherwise, you're just being bad
[1:10] <elephaant> swiss: it's already known
[1:10] <elephaant> swiss: it's not like I'm revealing some news here
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[1:10] <swiss> then why are you bringing it up
[1:10] <swiss> if they are known bugs
[1:11] <b00ger_daddy> what OS?
[1:11] <swiss> raspbian he claims
[1:11] <SyncYourDogmas> Use the arch flavour if you want new
[1:11] <swiss> SyncYourDogmas: and borderline broken
[1:11] <elephaant> swiss: for example. Have a look at this: https://www.openssl.org/news/vulnerabilities.html 43 vulnerabilities, and that's only one package.
[1:11] <swiss> elephaant: .... do you know how the SSL vulns work?
[1:12] <swiss> or do you just run metasploit and call yourself a pentester
[1:12] <SyncYourDogmas> swiss: I only know the x86 variety
[1:12] <swiss> SyncYourDogmas: as do i ;)
[1:12] <elephaant> swiss: why did I bring it up? I was hoping for someone else to participate in an interesting discussion (not stick the head under the sand). My question is rather: what are you doing here if you don't?
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[1:12] <swiss> SyncYourDogmas: tbqh, i just still am raging about stuff that happened 2 years ago with arch
[1:13] <SyncYourDogmas> swiss: the usr bin move?
[1:13] <swiss> SyncYourDogmas: and the lib move
[1:13] <SyncYourDogmas> That did make me install from scratch I admit
[1:13] <swiss> i repaired a remote server with only the bash builtin commands
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[1:13] <SyncYourDogmas> But two years ago I was kinda new to linux
[1:14] <swiss> and promptly started a migration to debian
[1:14] <swiss> i was using pacman as they instructed
[1:14] <swiss> elephaant: link to open security vulns not patched on the pi
[1:14] <swiss> well, on debian
[1:14] <swiss> since that's what raspbian is
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[1:15] <elephaant> swiss: Raspbian have OpenSSL 1.0.1e. Press CTRL+F and type that in, and you have the estimated number of vulns.
[1:15] <elephaant> as I said, I rooted my default and updated raspbianpi with 3 different methods in just 2 days (from knowing nothing about pi).
[1:16] <elephaant> installed NOOBS, apt-get update && apt-get upgrade. Gave it a long nice password. That's it.
[1:17] <swiss> again, links to vulns for the root password
[1:17] <swiss> or gaining root access
[1:18] <swiss> elephaant: so you're claiming it's vuln to heartbleed?
[1:19] <elephaant> nope
[1:19] <ali1234> you know how a stable distro works right?
[1:19] <elephaant> I cant reveal rooting techniques though. I only do that for trusthworthy devs involved in the projects.
[1:19] <elephaant> ali1234: sure.
[1:19] <swiss> ... so you're claiming you found *new* vulns
[1:19] <swiss> not known ones
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[1:20] <ali1234> then why do you talk about 1.0.1e?
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[1:20] <elephaant> they are known already. But to find them you'll have to find the vulnerable outdated libs. I won't reveal that for ethical reasons.
[1:20] <elephaant> ali1234: guess.
[1:20] <swiss> ali1234: because he doesn't know the difference between 1.0.1e and 1.0.1e-2+rvt+deb7u17
[1:20] <elephaant> ali1234: what did I wrote when I mentioned it?
[1:20] <ali1234> is it because you don't actually know how a stable distro works?
[1:20] <swiss> ^ pretty sure it's this
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[1:21] <swiss> https://bugs.launchpad.net/raspbian/+bug/1440494 are you the guy that submitted this?
[1:21] <elephaant> nope
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[1:21] <ali1234> clue: doesn't have 1.0.1e, it has 1.0.1e-2+rvt+deb7u16 which is different
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[1:21] <swiss> because you are exhibiting the same stance
[1:21] <swiss> "OMG IT SAYS 1.0.1 AND THEY DIDNT FIX IT TIL A LATER VERSION"
[1:21] <elephaant> either way, I pwned a default and updated raspbian from a remote machine.
[1:21] <elephaant> by exploiting outdated libs
[1:21] <swiss> and until you actually reveal the methods, absolutely nobody will believe you
[1:22] <elephaant> of course you aren't.
[1:22] <swiss> because you just made an extremely stupid argument by using 16:15:15 < elephaant> swiss: Raspbian have OpenSSL 1.0.1e. Press CTRL+F and type that in, and you have the estimated number of vulns.
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[1:22] <swiss> because 1.0.1e on OpenSSL's page does NOT reflect the number of vulns that package has
[1:22] <swiss> because that's not how stable distros work
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[1:24] <elephaant> how does stable distros work?
[1:24] <ali1234> for example the most recent vuln in 1.0.1e is fixed in debian: https://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/CVE-2015-1788
[1:24] <swiss> you can patch an old version with security issues - it doesn't make it the new version of the package
[1:24] <swiss> but a subversion of that old one
[1:25] <swiss> hence -2+rvt+deb7u17
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[1:25] <elephaant> lol thanks guys
[1:25] <elephaant> so how can I see that that's the version isntalled? does it say that somewhere?
[1:25] <ali1234> apt-cache policy openssl
[1:25] <Apocx> so rvt and deb7u17 are patches on top of OpenSSL 1.0.1e?
[1:25] <Apocx> sorry, new to Linux and such
[1:25] <ali1234> correct
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[1:26] <ali1234> and deb7u17 is in raspbian, i just haven't updated for a few days
[1:26] <ali1234> you can also check https://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/source-package/openssl
[1:27] <ali1234> raspbian is currently based on wheezy
[1:27] <Apocx> On a somewhat related note, are there any particular steps that should be taken to reduce the chance of someone breaking into the Pi?
[1:27] <swiss> netsplit incoming?
[1:27] <swiss> lag already at 120 :(
[1:28] <Apocx> Other than locking it down from all external connections obviously
[1:28] <ali1234> Apocx: just the usual things
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[1:29] <Apocx> I assume using an SSL key pair for SSH authentication is the preferred method
[1:29] <swiss> apt-get info openssl
[1:29] <swiss> woops, not an apt-get command
[1:29] <ali1234> did you mean apt-get changelog?
[1:29] <at0m> Apocx: look up 'ssh hardening'.
[1:30] <Apocx> Will do, thanks
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[1:30] <swiss> ali1234: too used to yum
[1:30] <swiss> THANKS WORK
[1:30] <swiss> apt-cache show openssl works too
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[1:32] <Kamilion> elephaant: I'd suggest installing wajig and using one of it's shortcuts like 'sizes' at the console.
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[1:34] <Kamilion> ah, there's a 'versions' shortcut.
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[1:36] <Kamilion> looks like this: http://puu.sh/jflkC/081428ba0e.png
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[1:40] <elephaant> are the dev-libs also patched in raspbian?
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[1:42] <Kamilion> elephaant: the main reason rasbian exists is because the pi1 is an ARM6 based core. most of the ARM-based distros require an ARM7 (like the pi2)
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[1:44] <Kamilion> Also, by default you get wheezy, but packages have been built for jessie, there's just not an official image yet, AFAIK. You can just change the apt listing and dist-upgrade.
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[1:47] <Kamilion> Apocx: Simple advice is use SSH keypairs and disable password authentication in sshd_config
[1:50] <elephaant> Kamilion: I have an rpi2. Can I just add a repo to my list and get better updates?
[1:50] <Kamilion> uh, sort of. You could just run upstream debian instead of rasbian, or ubuntu.
[1:50] <Kamilion> or arch or gentoo
[1:51] <Kamilion> but from rasbian; you can flip to jessie from wheezy
[1:51] <Kamilion> https://ubuntu-mate.org/raspberry-pi/ might be helpful, might not
[1:51] <Kamilion> https://wiki.debian.org/ArmHardFloatPort
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[1:53] <Apocx> Gotcha
[1:53] <Kamilion> elephaant: http://raspberrypi.stackexchange.com/questions/27858/upgrade-to-raspbian-jessie
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[1:59] <elephaant> ty
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[1:59] <elephaant> Kamilion: what do you mean? that I can run the regular arch upstream/distro?
[2:00] <Kamilion> sure can, as long as their minimum is ARM7 "like the others"
[2:00] <Kamilion> http://archlinuxarm.org/platforms/armv7/broadcom/raspberry-pi-2
[2:01] <elephaant> I don't really want to install all the X stuff again (I've removed it). Just what wheezy for updates
[2:01] <elephaant> :/
[2:01] <Kamilion> click the 'installation' tab for instructions.
[2:01] <elephaant> jessie*
[2:01] <Kamilion> The main root is here http://archlinuxarm.org/os/ArchLinuxARM-rpi-2-latest.tar.gz
[2:01] * Kamilion shrugs
[2:02] <Kamilion> I say "I want" a lot in relation to linux, it doesn't work like it did with my parents.
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[3:02] <elephaant> does blacklisting the ipv6 module somehow disable the loopback device?
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[3:20] <TheSov> ok im having a moment of insanity
[3:20] <elephaant> /etc/network/interfaces doesn't seem to exist by default in rpi
[3:20] <TheSov> when i ping b827eba5c5fb.brokerage.xxxx.local it doesnt ping or resolve, when i dig it or nslookup it. works perfectly wtf!? HELP
[3:20] <elephaant> yet all forums talk about it
[3:21] <elephaant> TheSov: is it defined in hosts?
[3:21] <TheSov> nope
[3:21] <TheSov> root@raspberrypi:/etc# cat hosts
[3:21] <TheSov> 127.0.0.1 localhost
[3:21] <TheSov> ::1 localhost ip6-localhost ip6-loopback
[3:21] <TheSov> fe00::0 ip6-localnet
[3:21] <TheSov> ff00::0 ip6-mcastprefix
[3:21] <TheSov> ff02::1 ip6-allnodes
[3:21] <TheSov> ff02::2 ip6-allrouters
[3:21] <TheSov> 127.0.1.1 raspberrypi
[3:22] <elephaant> TheSov: you've got to put it there and give it an ip address just like the other items there
[3:22] <elephaant> TheSov: unless that address is a host on your lan? what is that address?
[3:22] <TheSov> why my dns resolves it fine
[3:22] <TheSov> ;; ANSWER SECTION:
[3:22] <TheSov> b827eba5c5fb.brokerage.pc-onclark.local. 3600 IN A 10.1.9.190
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[3:22] <elephaant> right
[3:22] <TheSov> thats when i dig it
[3:22] <elephaant> don't add it to the hosts file then
[3:22] <elephaant> that'd be bad
[3:23] <TheSov> but when i ping it, or rdp to it, it doesnt resolve
[3:23] <elephaant> try quoting the address?
[3:23] <elephaant> :p
[3:23] <elephaant> ping "b827.....local"
[3:23] <TheSov> it says ping: unknown host b827eba5c5fb.brokerage.pc-onclark.local
[3:23] <elephaant> ##networking
[3:23] <elephaant> I have no idea lol
[3:24] <TheSov> same
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[3:24] <TheSov> wtf LOL
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[3:28] <elephaant> TheSov: same?
[3:29] <TheSov> yeah and i just changed the domain to "b827eba5c5fb.cbroker.local"
[3:29] <TheSov> same situation dig and nslookup come back, but ping wont
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[3:43] <TheSov> turned out to be the .local domain
[3:43] <TheSov> mdns or something blocking it
[3:43] <Kamilion> don't use .local if you can avoid it
[3:43] <Kamilion> once upon a time it wasy okay, but now it's basically taboo unless you're an apple device or talk mdns
[3:44] <Kamilion> my work's windows domain is retardedly broken because of this. (the fool who set it up used a .local when they company had a perfectly good .com)
[3:44] <Kamilion> samba really hates it
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[3:45] <Kamilion> If you're hankering for an unused private TLD, I think .lan is the preferred one now
[3:46] <ozzzy_> I used to use .etc
[3:46] <Kamilion> at least, it's what openwrt seems to default to these days.
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[6:24] <UberSMPL> Is there an application that will let you connect to the Pi and run script directly from windows??
[6:24] <UberSMPL> like a web application of sorts?
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[6:29] <tawr> UberSMPL: ssh in?
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[6:33] <ThinkingofPython> Davespice You around?
[6:34] <NedScott> crap, I messed up my retropie install
[6:35] <NedScott> methinks too many unclean shutdowns
[6:35] <Berg> ha join the club i messed up a lot installs and still dont know why suspect bad sdcards and stuff
[6:36] <Berg> im gona steal cameras of tourists and take the cards out
[6:36] <ThinkingofPython> Hopefully in the future, the pi won't be so dependent on writing to the card
[6:36] <ThinkingofPython> so unexpected shutdowns dont destroy everything heh
[6:36] <Berg> lets see what future brings
[6:37] <ThinkingofPython> If this was a typical computer, people'd be pissed. "Dang power shut off. Time to buy a new HDD"
[6:37] <ThinkingofPython> heh
[6:37] <Berg> hehehe
[6:37] <Berg> fact
[6:37] <ThinkingofPython> Maybe if there was some write cache built in or something
[6:38] <ThinkingofPython> I wonder what shiftplusone thinks ;)
[6:38] <Berg> made them run off a usb drive?
[6:38] <ThinkingofPython> heh
[6:38] <Berg> i dont know what i mean but instead of sdcard
[6:39] <ThinkingofPython> I was thinking of something like a small amount of internal storage to cache the writing
[6:39] <ThinkingofPython> that way unexpected shutdown could be less damaging, if that makes sense. Probably not the best way to describe it as I'm still waking up
[6:39] <Berg> like a fixed boot system that lets you telol it what to mboot from?
[6:40] <ThinkingofPython> hmm maybe
[6:40] <Berg> like repair or normal boot?
[6:40] <ThinkingofPython> yeah like repair
[6:40] <Berg> that would need a rom chip?
[6:40] <ThinkingofPython> and then it calls cache for last known write cycle
[6:40] <ThinkingofPython> ^bingo
[6:41] <Berg> ok you solder it in and send it me
[6:41] <Berg> good job ThinkingofPython
[6:41] <ThinkingofPython> heh
[6:41] <Berg> :)
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[6:42] <Berg> i dont think raspberry actualy ment the thing to work perfectly
[6:42] <ThinkingofPython> well it is a developer tool afterall ;)
[6:42] <Berg> still its a good machine just has minor glitches that eventualy make you tear hair out
[6:43] <ThinkingofPython> :D
[6:43] <ThinkingofPython> thats life
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[8:01] <NedScott> these non + Pi 1's sure to like to restart when I plug in USB that uses a lot of power
[8:01] <NedScott> haha
[8:02] <ThinkingofPython> heh
[8:02] <ThinkingofPython> psu issue?
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[8:09] <Berg> add another D cell
[8:09] <Berg> :)
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[8:18] <NedScott> just a dip in power. Something they fixed with the B+
[8:18] <NedScott> it's enough to restart the Pi
[8:19] <NedScott> I'm starting to think that a DSI LCD from the RPi Foundation will never come
[8:19] <NedScott> :(
[8:19] <NedScott> are we there yet?
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[8:24] <shiftplusone> I think it was announced too early. The difference between "here's a working prototype" to "here's a thing anyone can buy" can be much larger than most people recognise. Then if you add extra setbacks to the mix, people start calling it vapourware.
[8:24] <NedScott> the funny thing is that the chip needed to interface with the connector is up for grabs already. As in, other companies are allowed to license it even before the RPF goes to market with their screen.
[8:25] <shiftplusone> It's a great screen for embedding into products, but people looking to use it as a monitor are likely to be disappointed. It's fairly small.
[8:26] <NedScott> they did show off an DSI to HDMI adapter on a Pi
[8:26] <shiftplusone> Oh, I haven't even seen that. Link?
[8:26] <shiftplusone> Sure it wasn't HDMI to CSI?
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[8:28] <NedScott> yeah, it was at some trade show
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[8:28] * NedScott looks it up
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[8:31] <NedScott> hmm, maybe not. All I can seem to find is the HDMI to CSI adapter
[8:31] <NedScott> maybe I confused them
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[8:31] <shiftplusone> Yeah, I don't recall seeing support for anything like that in the software, but it has been a long time since I dug around there.
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[8:32] <NedScott> in any case, I'm totally down for a small sreen
[8:32] <NedScott> screen
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[10:01] <NedScott> I'm really liking recalbox more than retropie
[10:01] * shiftplusone looks up recalbox
[10:02] <NedScott> a lot of nice extras baked in
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[10:03] <shiftplusone> ah, so it's an image rather than a thing you can just run =(
[10:03] <shiftplusone> but for a dedicated arcade machine or retro console type of deal, it seems handy
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[12:20] <aslmx> hey there :) anyone knows whehter it is possible to disable the password for login via serial console? is it even possible? I have setup key authentication for ssh, but it bothrs me to type the password all the time when i'm using the serial connection
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[12:20] <shiftplusone> sure, set up auto-login in inittab on that tty
[12:24] <aslmx> autologin + inittab was the searchterm that i missed. thanks a lot...
[12:24] <aslmx> :-)
[12:24] <aslmx> works great
[12:24] <shiftplusone> np
[12:25] <shiftplusone> also, +5 points for realising those were given as search terms
[12:26] <shiftplusone> sometimes people follow up with 'how?' (basically asking me to google it for them) or just ignore the answer entirely.
[12:27] <aslmx> yeah i googled some time, but most time people just want to deactivate the serial console to use the serial port to connect to other peripherals
[12:28] <shiftplusone> Yeah, it's one of those things where if you don't know what to search for, you won't find it.
[12:28] <aslmx> but if you use your pi and change the network configuration often and/or have to depend on DHCP, there is no better thing that to have a 4$ usb-serial adapter and a serial console to run ifconfig :)
[12:28] <shiftplusone> yeah, I always have a serial adapter plugged in
[12:28] <shiftplusone> also good for getting messages out of the kernel before the network comes up
[12:28] <shiftplusone> and kgdb, of course.
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[12:30] <aslmx> yeah.. if it hangs on boot and you dont have a monitor (especailly one with HDMI input) then youre basically fu***d
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[12:39] <shiftplusone> yup, but mind the language a bit. Family friendly channel and all that.
[12:39] <t3chguy> I'm getting a "Failed to start Load Kernel Modules" during Boot (RPi2b, Ubuntu Mate 15.04)
[12:39] <t3chguy> any ideas?
[12:39] <t3chguy> fresh image, barely resized and disabled overscan
[12:40] <shiftplusone> The downside of using third party images
[12:40] <shiftplusone> but surely there is more output that that
[12:40] <Roonix> all images are third party
[12:41] <shiftplusone> Nope, the raspbian image is rolled and supported by the foundation.
[12:42] <Roonix> is it? since when?
[12:42] <shiftplusone> always
[12:42] <Roonix> it never used to be
[12:43] <t3chguy> shiftplusone: is that logged somewhere I can find it
[12:43] <t3chguy> it doesn't seem to be visible in TTY1
[12:43] <Roonix> err no, look at the Rasobian official website "Raspbian is not affiliated with the Raspberry Pi foundation"
[12:43] <shiftplusone> t3chguy: do you have enough access to be able to run dmesg or do you need to get it from the logs?
[12:43] <nid0> it has been since very shortly after the pi was released
[12:43] <t3chguy> I go have enough access
[12:43] <t3chguy> s/g/d/
[12:43] <shiftplusone> Roonix: err yeah. I'm not talking about Raspbian the underlying repo, I'm talking about the image.
[12:44] <Roonix> fair enough my bad I misunderstood
[12:44] <shiftplusone> happens
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[12:45] <t3chguy> shiftplusone: any way to increase the scrollback in the TTYs?
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[12:45] <shiftplusone> t3chguy: it's easier to pipe it to less
[12:45] <shiftplusone> dmesg | less
[12:45] <t3chguy> didn't think of that
[12:46] <t3chguy> tried grepping it
[12:46] <t3chguy> didn't get me too far xD
[12:48] <t3chguy> imma just termbin it and look through it on the desktop
[12:49] <shiftplusone> could | pastebinit, if you have network access
[12:49] <t3chguy> nc termbin.com 9999 does the same thing
[12:49] <t3chguy> but with a netcat requirement
[12:49] <t3chguy> instead of the pastebinit package
[12:49] <t3chguy> I don't see an error in this output
[12:49] <t3chguy> only the one on boots
[12:50] <shiftplusone> ah, didn't know about termbin, thanks
[12:50] <t3chguy> I'll reboot and try catch it
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[12:50] <t3chguy> np, its very useful on foreign systems (as in ones you shouldn't really install packages as they aren't yours)
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[12:51] <t3chguy> there we go
[12:51] <t3chguy> it says to ask SystemD for details xD
[12:51] <shiftplusone> try journalctl
[12:51] <t3chguy> nah it gives me the command to run, I was just speaking generally
[12:53] <t3chguy> failed to find 3 modules
[12:53] <t3chguy> lp, ppdev and parport_pc
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[12:55] <shiftplusone> Doesn't look like an error to me
[12:56] <t3chguy> http://termbin.com/ztkf
[12:56] <t3chguy> looks it
[12:56] <shiftplusone> not really... it's just trying to load modules it makes no sense to try to load... no negative side-effects there
[12:57] <t3chguy> it looks like the whole service gets failed because of it though
[12:57] <shiftplusone> it's a one-time run thing
[12:57] <t3chguy> time to take an image
[12:57] <t3chguy> then install packages and another image
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[13:00] <t3chguy> maybe I should have taken an image pre-resize :/
[13:00] <t3chguy> then again, NAS Storage is in abundance, just the speed of this
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[13:56] <UberSMPL> tawr: did you really suggest ssh? lol
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[13:59] <nid0> scrolling up, he did. based on your question, what's wrong with that answer?
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[14:01] <UberSMPL> I may have not worded my questions properly; but I was more thinking an IDE program that would let you connect to the Pi and run the code from the Coding Program; without having to nano into the file, make changes save, then run, etc.
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[14:02] <UberSMPL> Kinda like when writing Android applications, you can connect your phone/device to the PC and run the program as you write it on your device
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[14:04] <shiftplusone> ssh
[14:05] <UberSMPL> Okay, apparently not going to get anywhere; and SSH doesn't do that but thanks
[14:05] <shiftplusone> I have inotify watching the directory for changes, rsyncing to the pi and the 'make' in ide is done over ssh.
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[14:08] <UberSMPL> shiftplusone: and what IDE do you use?
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[14:08] <shiftplusone> geany
[14:08] <Encapsulation> ?
[14:08] <Encapsulation> IDE?
[14:09] <Encapsulation> what language
[14:09] <Encapsulation> what programmign language are you7 using uber
[14:09] <UberSMPL> And that will let you remote into the pi directly from geany?
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[14:09] <knob> Good morning!
[14:09] <UberSMPL> Encapsulation: Python
[14:10] <UberSMPL> Im using PyCharm Pro
[14:10] <shiftplusone> UberSMPL: that's not quite how I use it. I work locally, automatically sync to the pi when changes are made and the IDE is configured to make and run remotely too.
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[14:13] <UberSMPL> shiftplusone: Well right now using a 11" netbook; with Filezilla conneted to Pi via SFTP, editing files in PyCharm, then have to save the file, open filezilla save the changed file, then open SSH to run the file.
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[14:13] <UberSMPL> kinda a pain in the butt from an 11" screen.
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[14:13] <shiftplusone> UberSMPL: does filezilla have an option to sync directories automatically as the local one changes.
[14:13] <UberSMPL> Was just hoping there was something that would let me connect to the pi and run/test scripts directly
[14:14] <shiftplusone> I know if you use winscp, you can open the remote file and it will sync it when you save it.
[14:15] <UberSMPL> shiftplusone: not automatically that I know of; if you access the files via Filezilla, make changes, Filezilla (as of now) makes you confirm the change/override of the existing file
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[14:16] <UberSMPL> will look into winscp though
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[14:17] <UberSMPL> shiftplusone: is this what you are referring to for syncing? https://winscp.net/eng/docs/guide_synchronize
[14:19] <shiftplusone> I don't currently use winscp, so no. The winscp feature I was thinking of was just opening a 'remote' file, which just save it in your temp dir and writes it back whenever you save.
[14:19] <shiftplusone> Doesn't work too well if the connection drops though, IIRC.
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[14:21] <UberSMPL> When you say you work locally then, you me directly on the pi?
[14:21] <shiftplusone> no
[14:21] <UberSMPL> then whats "locally?"
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[14:22] <shiftplusone> on the desktop pc in front of me
[14:22] <UberSMPL> though SSH?
[14:22] <shiftplusone> eh?
[14:23] <UberSMPL> wouldn't SSH technically be "remotely?:
[14:24] <shiftplusone> Okay, let's backtrack. I have the files I'm interested in on my PC. They're the ones I edit.
[14:25] <shiftplusone> I have another program automatically rsyncing those files across to the pi whenever I save changes.
[14:25] <shiftplusone> In the IDE, when I build, it will build the files on the pi. When I launch, it will launch the built program on the pi
[14:25] <UberSMPL> Oh, understood
[14:25] <UberSMPL> and what program are you using to sync the local files to the pi?
[14:26] <shiftplusone> combo of inotify and rsync
[14:27] <shiftplusone> that might not be applicable to windows, you'll want to find another way of doing that part
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[14:28] <UberSMPL> So I understand "In the IDE, when I build, it will build the files on the pi." technically the files are built locally (to a local directory) then synced (via inotify/rsync) to the pi.
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[14:28] <shiftplusone> Nope
[14:28] <shiftplusone> I don't cross-compile
[14:29] <UberSMPL> Okay, its probably to early in the morning for me to try an understand correctly...
[14:30] <UberSMPL> or something is getting lost in translation :(
[14:30] <shiftplusone> the ide is configured to run ssh blah "cd foo && make"
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[14:31] <UberSMPL> Pycharm has a Plugin called Source Sync, will give that a try... or try your suggestion of winsc
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[14:32] <UberSMPL> Was kinda just hoping/looking for an IDE like Android Stupid that lets you code/test/run the scripts directly from the device you're working on.
[14:33] <shiftplusone> I'm sure there's stuff like that, it's just not very useful for linux users, so I don't know how popular that would be.
[14:34] <UberSMPL> lol, apparently not very popular, cause I've been searching around for a while now.
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[14:35] <jer> yeah android stupid isn't a very popular ide for rpi =]
[14:35] <UberSMPL> jer: damn auto correct
[14:35] <jer> =]
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[15:23] <kingarmadillo> has anyone here given a starter kit to a 10yr old? i'm curious if they need a lot of help or can they figure it out?
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[15:26] <JK-47> Depends on the kid. Ive seen some really do well. What do you intend for them to do with it? If they have limited experience, you should give them a project book with it
[15:27] <JK-47> This girl started at 11, and by 13 already has had some major successes that even I am jealous of. https://raspberrypikid.wordpress.com
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[15:29] <Tachyon`> I was programming at 7, a 10 year old will learn what he/she needs if they have the interest
[15:29] <JK-47> if they have a proper direction
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[15:30] <Tachyon`> luckily we live in an age where there's a lot of free knowledge available to anyone who wants to learn.
[15:30] * ShorTie concures on the interest
[15:30] <Tachyon`> when I was a kid had to actually go to the library
[15:30] <Tachyon`> lol
[15:30] <JK-47> Number of modern programming or Pi books in my local libraries: 0
[15:31] <ShorTie> just need Linux books
[15:31] <kingarmadillo> which project book?
[15:31] <kingarmadillo> i think the starter kit comes with a book, i didnt open it
[15:31] <Tachyon`> the pi manual isn't bad for getting started
[15:32] <Tachyon`> bought it myself for kindle although didn't really need it
[15:32] <Tachyon`> but it covers the basics
[15:32] <kingarmadillo> alright
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[15:32] <kingarmadillo> well i was going to start him off with soldering one of those basic kits like an LED christmas tree to see if he is interested
[15:33] <kingarmadillo> i'm slightly jealous of the amount of time kids have
[15:33] <JK-47> find a copy of this. http://www.amazon.com/Raspberry-Projects-Kids-Daniel-Bates/dp/1783982225
[15:33] <JK-47> or adventures in rpi. or python for kids.
[15:33] <kingarmadillo> so if he turns out to be interested, i'm sure he could do some pretty awesome stuff
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[15:34] <nid0> yep, interest is 99% of the hurdle. if he's interested, you can give him a pi, pcb, and pile of bits and say "make it work" and given enough time it will
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[15:38] <ShorTie> and a internet connection
[15:39] <ShorTie> then their imagination is the only thing holding him/her back
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[16:20] <Apocx> UberSMPL: Maybe Adafruits webIDE would be good for you? https://learn.adafruit.com/webide/overview
[16:21] <Apocx> Can write and run python on your Pi directly from the browser window on your laptop.
[16:21] <UberSMPL> Apocx: Awesome! thank you for that, that will work great on my Chromebook
[16:22] <Apocx> welcome. I didn't use it very much (don't write python often) but it looked pretty good
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[16:25] <TheLostAdmin> Last I checked, there was an SSH client on the Chrombooks, it was/is hidden by default.
[16:26] <TheLostAdmin> I'm not sure if that's a good alternative to WebIDE.
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[16:32] <mentazoom> How can you set up USB thumb drive as hardrive?
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[16:40] <Tenkawa> hi all
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[16:44] <fiddlinmacx> mentazoom: We'll need a bit more info. What OS are you using? What, exactly, do you want to do with the USB drive?
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[16:46] <mentazoom> fiddlinmacx: I think I will use Ubuntu. SD card are expensive so I thought of buying cheap SD card with low capacity and use thumb drive. I haven't bought Pi 2 yet because with big SD card it's too expensive
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[16:48] <mentazoom> is there big difference with write and read speak between SD and USB flash drive with pi 2?
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[16:48] <t3chguy> Hmm, I have purchased both codec licences and applied them, and am wondering if there is anyway to make VLC work as smoothly as OMXPlayer?
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[16:50] <mentazoom> fiddlinmacx: I wil lactually use Rasbian OS
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[16:50] <fiddlinmacx> mentazoom: Rasbian would certainly be a better choice.
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[16:51] <mentazoom> fiddlinmacx: Yea looks like it, can you use more than 64GB SD card anyway ?
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[16:51] <fiddlinmacx> mentazoom: If you install the main OS on the CD card, you can certainly mount the USB drive at any mount point you wish. Just edit your Fstab file accordingly
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[16:52] <fiddlinmacx> mentazoom: SD card ;-)
[16:52] <mentazoom> fiddlinmacx: WIll there be big difference in write and read speed between those two?
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[16:53] <mentazoom> fiddlinmacx: Gooogle gives me so many different answers
[16:53] <Apocx> I think USB would probably be faster, but I could be wrong
[16:53] <fiddlinmacx> mentazoom: I would think so, but I don't know exactly. You'll be using USB for the thumb drive. That will probably be slower then a good SD card.
[16:54] <fiddlinmacx> mentazoom: Apocx: I'm probably wrong then. Sorry.
[16:54] <mentazoom> Hm :p
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[16:54] <monsti> hi
[16:54] <mentazoom> Can you use more than 64 GB SD card?
[16:55] <Apocx> It's hard to get good information on the speed of a class 10 SD Card, but it looks to be about ~15 or 30MB/s
[16:55] <Apocx> USB 2.0 theoretically supports 480MB/s but you'd probably be getting around 40MB/s read/writes
[16:55] <Apocx> so may not notice much of a difference, dunno
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[16:55] <fiddlinmacx> Actual numbers are good though ;-)
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[16:56] <Apocx> They keep wanting to list Minimum Rated speeds and seem to not want to list maximum for the SD cards :/
[16:56] <fiddlinmacx> Speed might really depend on your filesystem too.
[16:56] <t3chguy> because its not a spec, its a guideline
[16:57] <mentazoom> fiddlinmacx: Apocx I'm looking at one 64GB SD card from Samsung which has Read up to 95MBS and write up to 90MBS but it's expensive too
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[16:57] <t3chguy> to make a class 10 card, it just had to perform better than X and not be class 11
[16:57] <t3chguy> which isn't class 11
[16:57] <t3chguy> its got a different title
[16:57] <Apocx> gotcha
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[16:57] <Apocx> that makes sense
[16:57] <t3chguy> there's quite a tolerance
[16:57] <t3chguy> I have some Samsung SDHC Card 64GB
[16:58] <t3chguy> probably the one you're talking about mentazoom lol
[16:58] <mentazoom> So if SD card goes up to 40 MB/s then USB flash drive won't perform better than SD card?
[16:58] <t3chguy> Actually no I was wrong
[16:58] <t3chguy> its Sandisk, even better xD
[16:58] <mentazoom> t3chguy: Really expensive tho, more expensive than Pi 2 :)
[16:58] <Apocx> http://www.amazon.com/SanDisk-Memory-Adapter--SDSDQUAN-064G-G4A-Version/dp/B00M55C1I2/
[16:58] <Apocx> I use that one
[16:58] <Apocx> 48MB/s
[16:58] <t3chguy> Apocx: I have the exact same card
[16:58] <Apocx> in optimal conditions
[16:58] <t3chguy> was just about to google its specs :P
[16:59] <Apocx> it's pretty popular. I haven't had any issues with it
[16:59] <Apocx> hehe
[16:59] <t3chguy> got it given to me as a present and I don't use Memory Cards much place else
[16:59] <t3chguy> got a little camera, got a bluetooth speaker
[16:59] <Apocx> I want to find a Pi alternative with flash for the O/S, cause SD cards are not reliable enough for me
[16:59] <t3chguy> neither of which support XC
[17:00] <Apocx> I don't want a corrupt SD card crashing my Pi 2 months in
[17:00] <t3chguy> Apocx: and 64GB Images are a PITA
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[17:00] <t3chguy> I took one today haha
[17:00] <ThinkingofPython> Hi davejlong
[17:00] <Apocx> Yeah they are
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[17:00] <ThinkingofPython> Davespice * woops
[17:00] <ThinkingofPython> lol
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[17:00] <t3chguy> is there some VLC PPA for RasPi compatible hardware acceleration?
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[17:01] <Davespice> hello
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[17:01] <ThinkingofPython> Did you recieve my PM yesterday? :)
[17:01] <mentazoom> Can Pi 2 use more than 64 GB SD cards?
[17:01] <ThinkingofPython> Just wanted to make sure it went through, as I was 2g tethered.
[17:01] <ThinkingofPython> mentazoom Hmm, good question
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[17:02] <Apocx> I think Pi only supports SD3.0
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[17:05] <Apocx> There are a few 128GB cards on the support card list
[17:05] <Apocx> http://elinux.org/RPi_SD_cards\
[17:06] <mentazoom> Apocx: There is currently no text in this page. You can search for this page title in other pages, or search the related logs, but you do not have permission to create this page.
[17:06] <Apocx> http://elinux.org/RPi_SD_cards
[17:06] <Apocx> I accidentally put a backslash in
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[17:07] <mentazoom> Ah there is not samsung evo 128GB there :/
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[17:09] <Apocx> Yeah so no guarantee it'd work. They do have some 64GB Samsung Evos on there though so who knows
[17:09] <mentazoom> the 64GB pro costs 97 USD lol
[17:09] <t3chguy> errm Apocx on there it says our cards are class 6?
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[17:10] <t3chguy> actually the identifier is mismatched
[17:10] <t3chguy> must just be some other microSDXC 64GB Kindston card
[17:10] <Apocx> ah. yeah I only see the one mention of our card in the performance table
[17:10] <Apocx> not the compatibility table
[17:10] <t3chguy> why don't you add it :)
[17:11] <Apocx> sure, if it lets me
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[17:11] <kubast2> So I downloaded minibian image
[17:12] <kubast2> but forget about the most important thing
[17:12] <kubast2> resize rootfs
[17:12] <Apocx> That security captcha for account creation on that wiki...
[17:12] <t3chguy> lol first time have I heard of minibian
[17:12] <Apocx> It's so much easier for a bot to process that than me
[17:12] <t3chguy> lol
[17:12] <mentazoom> Sometimes when I do captcha I wonder if I'm retarded
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[17:13] <kubast2> due to my stupidity I runned apt-get update && apt-get upgrade ,and I need to halt my raspberry and reinstall image
[17:14] <Apocx> What is the third digit of the number three hundred ninety-two million seven hundred fifty-four thousand one hundred forty-one counting from the left?
[17:14] <Apocx> Such a strange captcha
[17:14] <t3chguy> that it is
[17:14] <t3chguy> I think Google's new picture captcha is the way forward
[17:14] <ThinkingofPython> 2
[17:14] <mentazoom> The mouse click captcha is best
[17:14] <t3chguy> yeah mentazoom thats what it is
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[17:14] <t3chguy> sometimes it gives you an image grid though
[17:15] <t3chguy> if you *fail* the captcha
[17:15] <mentazoom> t3chguy: Oh, didn't know google used it. I don't get why bots can't mimick it tho :)
[17:15] <t3chguy> not sure how you judge a click fail but still
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[17:15] <t3chguy> I think it tracks mouse movement
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[17:15] <t3chguy> and the slight randomness
[17:15] <t3chguy> since our mouse movement is very slightly curved
[17:15] <mentazoom> wouldn't a bot easly program that?
[17:15] <mentazoom> like just add some randomness
[17:16] <t3chguy> yeah but no captcha is perfect
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[17:16] <t3chguy> OCR software could beat the common captcha
[17:16] <mentazoom> true, but better than letting some bots in than letting humans out
[17:16] <mentazoom> those text captcha are impossible sometimes
[17:16] <ThinkingofPython> t3chguy I was thinking that
[17:16] <ThinkingofPython> an ocr based bot
[17:16] <mentazoom> I had to reset someones hotmail and that microsoft captcha lol was impossible
[17:16] <ThinkingofPython> however, the capture field is quite small
[17:17] <t3chguy> ffs, still can't get VLC to play this damn Mpeg
[17:18] <Apocx> Our card is actually on there already t3chguy. I just didn't see it when I used Ctrl+F. Searching the model number SDSDQUAN-064G-G4A found it though
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[17:19] <t3chguy> hmm, its listed as SDXC instead of MicroSDXC
[17:19] <t3chguy> s/M/m/
[17:19] <Apocx> yeah
[17:19] <ThinkingofPython> t3chguy No bot here
[17:19] <t3chguy> in both cases
[17:19] <t3chguy> ThinkingofPython: lemme change that
[17:19] <ThinkingofPython> aha dont invite a bot ;P
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[17:19] <t3chguy> Cortana: say hi
[17:19] <Cortana> hi
[17:20] <Apocx> :P
[17:20] <ThinkingofPython> Cortana: r u a girl?
[17:20] <t3chguy> I think she's aptly named
[17:20] <Cortana> Error: "r" is not a valid command.
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[17:20] <ThinkingofPython> :(
[17:20] <t3chguy> lemme make her a little less verbose
[17:20] <Apocx> ha
[17:20] <ThinkingofPython> Cortana: Are you female?
[17:20] <Cortana> Error: "Are" is not a valid command.
[17:20] <Apocx> Cortana: ♥
[17:20] <Cortana> Error: "♥" is not a valid command.
[17:20] <Apocx> :(
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[17:20] <ThinkingofPython> Cortana: You're a non communicative bot, aren't you?
[17:20] <Cortana> Error: "You're" is not a valid command.
[17:20] <ThinkingofPython> DIE.
[17:20] <mentazoom> Cortana: Master Chief
[17:20] <Cortana> Error: "Master" is not a valid command.
[17:20] <mentazoom> Cortana: MasterChief
[17:20] <Cortana> Error: "MasterChief" is not a valid command.
[17:21] <Apocx> Cortana: say I'm a little teapot, short and stout.
[17:21] <Cortana> Error: You must be registered to use this command. If you are already registered, you must either identify (using the identify command) or add a hostmask matching your current hostmask (using the "hostmask add" command).
[17:21] <Apocx> aww
[17:21] <Apocx> :P
[17:21] <t3chguy> she's now a little less verbose
[17:21] <t3chguy> invalid commands will silently be ignored
[17:22] <t3chguy> s/i/I/
[17:22] <Cortana> t3chguy meant to say “Invalid commands will silently be ignored”
[17:22] <t3chguy> much better
[17:22] <mentazoom> Will it be hard for a noob to use USB flash drive as hardrive?
[17:22] <t3chguy> oh wait
[17:22] <t3chguy> she's not allowed in here
[17:22] <t3chguy> Cortana: part
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[17:23] <t3chguy> Rule number 8
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[17:23] <Apocx> parting is such sweet sorrow
[17:23] <Apocx> miss you cortana ♥
[17:23] <t3chguy> Might create a petition to keep her xD
[17:24] <Apocx> guess I should actually read the rules huh
[17:24] <t3chguy> lol
[17:24] <ThinkingofPython> Apocx confirmed for crush on a bot
[17:24] <Apocx> Cortana is bae
[17:24] <ThinkingofPython> I know a bot, her name is cortana, cortana is her name
[17:24] <t3chguy> xD
[17:24] <ThinkingofPython> :D
[17:25] <mentazoom> Isn't it lame that a SD card cost more than Pi 2?
[17:25] <Apocx> Heh true
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[17:26] <ThinkingofPython> mentazoom Unless you live in CHina ;)
[17:27] <ThinkingofPython> UHS-I Class 10, 16GB SD = $8
[17:27] <ThinkingofPython> :3
[17:27] <t3chguy> Apocx: http://www.poll-maker.com/poll372779xE5604838-14
[17:27] <Apocx> I will have you back Cortana!
[17:28] <mentazoom> What.. I have been trying to buy Pi 2 since yesterday but I haven't yet because of SD price ThinkingofPython
[17:28] <t3chguy> lol
[17:28] <t3chguy> I bought my RPi2 a few days ago in a 20% sale
[17:28] <t3chguy> already had the MicroSD Card
[17:28] <ThinkingofPython> mentazoom Are you from the US?
[17:28] <t3chguy> got it as a gift
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[17:28] <ThinkingofPython> If so, try going to Factory Direct or those outlet stores
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[17:28] <mentazoom> ThinkingofPython: Nop :/
[17:28] <ThinkingofPython> outlet tech stores
[17:28] <ThinkingofPython> you can get mem cards for cheap
[17:28] <ThinkingofPython> ah darn
[17:29] <mentazoom> Everywhere here is expensive as fck
[17:29] <Apocx> When I can get a 64GB UHS-I Class 10 SD card for $8 then I'll be happy :P
[17:29] <mentazoom> I'm noob, so If I can't get Pi 2 running I can justify the waste, but not if SD card doubles the price
[17:29] <ThinkingofPython> Getting it running is VERY VERY easy lol
[17:29] <ThinkingofPython> easier than installing windows
[17:29] <ThinkingofPython> by far
[17:30] <t3chguy> to be fair
[17:30] <t3chguy> for a basic RPi
[17:30] <t3chguy> all you need is like a 4-8Gb card
[17:30] <mentazoom> Seriouskly?
[17:30] <ThinkingofPython> yes, mentazoom
[17:30] <t3chguy> and yeah it is
[17:30] <Apocx> Yeah you don't need a 64gb card or anything.
[17:30] <t3chguy> I doubt I'll ever use the storage I buy
[17:30] <ThinkingofPython> Yeah, I just use a 16 because the 8gb was $1 cheaper
[17:30] <Apocx> also you can buy SD cards already formatted and setup for the Pi
[17:30] <Apocx> so you literally just plug it in and go
[17:30] <t3chguy> 64GB Phone, 128GB iPad, 64GB RPi, 16TB NAS, etc
[17:30] <t3chguy> so much free space xD
[17:30] <mentazoom> If I want to use my USB pen drive as hardrive, would it be easy later?
[17:30] <t3chguy> sure mentazoom
[17:31] <ThinkingofPython> yeah
[17:31] <mentazoom> Okey if I don't get the pen drive working I can always come here :D
[17:32] <mentazoom> I clicked the buy button!
[17:32] <mentazoom> Have been one it since yesterday lol
[17:32] <Apocx> I really want to design a custom PCB with an ARM7 chip on it or something to replace my Pi, but I think I lack the technical knowhow for all the extra little bits it would need. A barebones board with ARM7, eMMC storage, etc. would be awesome
[17:32] <ThinkingofPython> apocx It's not too difficult
[17:33] <Apocx> Congrats :)
[17:33] <Apocx> Pi's are awesome little devices you'll have fun with it
[17:33] <mentazoom> I understood some of the words Apocx
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[17:33] <ThinkingofPython> Look up Electronic Engineering 101 ;p focusing on CPU's, ALU, ROM, RAM, logic gates
[17:33] <Apocx> It's mostly the supporting hardware I'd need for it
[17:33] <mentazoom> Yea Apocx I wanna use SNED, nintendo 64 etc emulators
[17:33] <ThinkingofPython> and EE design
[17:33] <mentazoom> It would be so awesome to have all the emulators in once place lol
[17:33] <Apocx> yeah I need to sit down and study some EE stuff
[17:34] <mentazoom> Do you guys use mini screen for it?
[17:34] <Apocx> I can do basic circuits and whatnot, so I'm not totally hopeless right now
[17:34] <t3chguy> currently have mine plugged into a 22" 1080p gaming monitor (fairly old)
[17:34] <Apocx> I have a Pi with a small LCD touchscreen display
[17:34] <t3chguy> but eventually it'll be headless
[17:35] <Apocx> it's pretty neat but the touchscreen is not great so it's really only used to display
[17:35] <ThinkingofPython> I use mine with a 5" capacitive display
[17:35] <ThinkingofPython> and a 40" display
[17:35] <ThinkingofPython> :)
[17:35] <nid0> I had my first pi hooked up to my TV for about 2 minutes 3 and a half years ago
[17:35] <nid0> never since
[17:35] <ThinkingofPython> also with a 12" display
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[17:35] <mentazoom> Sounds like mediacenter for you all?
[17:35] <Apocx> Same nid0
[17:35] <ThinkingofPython> Nah, not for me.
[17:35] <Apocx> All my pi's are just SSH servers at this point
[17:35] <t3chguy> for me it'll be a CCTV Controller
[17:35] <ThinkingofPython> Mines used in a project that will soon be released :)
[17:36] <t3chguy> wanna hook it up to some IP Cams, and a NAS Drive and get it to control them, etc
[17:36] <ThinkingofPython> Education product, woo woo
[17:36] * ThinkingofPython did not mean to sound like a train there.
[17:36] <Apocx> Any details you can share ThinkingofPython?
[17:36] <ThinkingofPython> Hmm.
[17:37] <ThinkingofPython> Well, it's a product that is (unfortunately awaiting startup funding) but will focus on educating students, adults, etc, in programming, hardware, etc
[17:37] <ThinkingofPython> to teach them (in a fun way!) about the products they use everyday.
[17:37] <ThinkingofPython> Hey, that rhymed.
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[17:38] <Apocx> ah sounds awesome
[17:38] <ThinkingofPython> We don't like in the 90's anymore. Back then, only "geeks" had computers, and knew how to use them. Now everybody has smartphones, tablets, laptops etc. but most don't exactly know how they work
[17:39] <ThinkingofPython> And most are intimidated by current learning structures (Sit in school, teacher gives lecture, students read books to learn)
[17:39] <ThinkingofPython> Might as well make the products they use everyday, teach them while they're using them
[17:39] <mentazoom> I'm in second year of IT bachelor, one guy in my class told me he bought laptop with 2TB RAM :D
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[17:39] <ThinkingofPython> That's as vague as I can get
[17:39] <ThinkingofPython> heh mentazoom
[17:39] <ThinkingofPython> I'm a Comp Sys - Comp Sci double grad, and also a TEFL teacher.
[17:40] <ThinkingofPython> I've heard tons of stuff from classmates. "What's this blue needle plug?" "You mean the VGA?"
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[17:40] <mentazoom> haha yea it's quite common
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[17:41] <ThinkingofPython> Even me, myself, had trouble with learning IT in the traditional classroom setting
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[17:41] <ThinkingofPython> Translating the theory knowledge to practical is easier said than done.
[17:41] <ThinkingofPython> So, I hope my product can help.
[17:41] <ThinkingofPython> ;)
[17:41] <mentazoom> Do you work in a company or for your self?
[17:42] <ThinkingofPython> I'm the founder, however I have a team of core staff (design, hardware, software and web design/marketing)
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[17:42] <mentazoom> Oh cool
[17:42] <ThinkingofPython> However, I'm not perfect. I lack the business guidance (I only know the basic business stuff), and funds to get patents, and such, so the product can go to kickstarter (It's not good to put an unpatented product on crowdfunding)
[17:43] <ThinkingofPython> So, I'm always checking the Pi education fund, and tracking down investors
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[17:43] <ThinkingofPython> gotta love the grind.
[17:44] <mentazoom> You will remember that as the best part even if it works out or not :)
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[17:45] <ThinkingofPython> Heh, yeah, however I hope it works out.
[17:45] <ThinkingofPython> I'm the type of person that is a "born leader" (not to toot my own horn here)
[17:46] <ThinkingofPython> I dislike working for someone else, for minimum wage and such. And I see problems with the world (especially in education) and I hope to help fix these problems.
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[17:46] <t3chguy> ffs
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[17:46] <t3chguy> gonna have to pull the plug on my pi again
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[17:47] <t3chguy> lost focus of omxplayer (Mate locked itself) so can't kill it
[17:47] <mentazoom> Sounds amazing, I hope it works out. Beeing good leader is the most important part, more important than a good product hehe
[17:47] <mentazoom> Or else they won't work for ya
[17:48] <t3chguy> My RPi2 gets rather warm even with 2 heatsinks attached
[17:48] <nid0> mine doesn't with none
[17:48] <nid0> maybe the heatsinks are the problem
[17:48] <t3chguy> nid0: it got a similar heat before them
[17:48] <t3chguy> by rather warm, I'd say 40-50
[17:48] <t3chguy> so nothing actually drastic
[17:49] <nid0> soo... they don't do anything worthwhile?
[17:49] <t3chguy> just enough to be uncomfortable to the touch
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[17:49] <t3chguy> I'd say they drop a few C maybe
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[17:49] <ThinkingofPython> Thanks mentazoom . I appreciate the words :)
[17:49] <t3chguy> the RAM Chip feels somewhat warm, but I can't stick a heatsink on that as the case is in the way
[17:49] <ThinkingofPython> Need them actually. My investor dropped out yesterday due to conflict of interest
[17:50] <ritual> mine gets upwards of 60 and I wouldn't say it's anywhere near umcomfortable to touch
[17:50] <t3chguy> well
[17:50] <t3chguy> I'm currently playing 720p Mpeg2
[17:50] <t3chguy> using H/W Acceleration
[17:50] <t3chguy> but even at idle (on a pretty heavy Distro [Ubuntu Mate]) its a little warm (40s)
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[17:51] <t3chguy> I forgot to install ssh so can't check the temp atm
[17:51] <mentazoom> ThinkingofPython: That sucks, I'm trying to do something small side and the only guys we had left too. Was crushing but just have to try and not stop
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[17:52] <ThinkingofPython> Yeah, it's crushing
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[17:52] <ThinkingofPython> because we were just left out to dry, after 8 months of being strung along
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[17:52] <ThinkingofPython> Now it's like, no money for patents (even though patent pending is cheap, we can't afford it)
[17:53] <mentazoom> ThinkingofPython: Haha felt exactly same, so much wasted time in meeting with them too and we wasted money on some prototype for them.
[17:53] <t3chguy> I wonder if I'll be able to switch into a TTy, authenticate and pkill omxplayer xD
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[17:54] <mentazoom> ThinkingofPython: Wow yea that really sucks, maybe try some private loan
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[17:55] <t3chguy> actually
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[17:55] <t3chguy> does omxplayer close when the film finishes
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[17:56] <Apocx> I think so
[17:57] <t3chguy> well then
[17:57] <t3chguy> thats good enough for me in this case
[17:57] <t3chguy> need to install openssh-server after this xD
[17:57] <t3chguy> to prevent needing to pull the plug on my pi
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[17:57] <t3chguy> paused a film, went downstairs and mate locked itself, couldn't get control of anything at the time xD
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[17:58] <Apocx> ouch
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[18:08] <ThinkingofPython> woops dc
[18:08] <ThinkingofPython> back
[18:08] <ThinkingofPython> But yeah, hopefully I'll make my lucky break when Pi education fund re-opens, or from an investor or someone interested in pi products
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[18:10] <t3chguy> mentazoom: you should upgrade your IRC Client
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[18:35] <DelphiWorld> yo
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[18:36] <DelphiWorld> a question, why rpi users consontrate on accessing GPIO with python and not other language?
[18:36] <JK-47> its easy
[18:36] <DelphiWorld> JK-47: lua, ruby, js, all are easy but why specificaly python:P
[18:37] <JK-47> its easier, and requires you to install less stuff to use it on rpi
[18:37] <DelphiWorld> JK-47: dont mind, its just a question to understand :-P
[18:38] <DelphiWorld> JK-47: should my rpi be able to provide temperature without any component?
[18:38] <JK-47> 1 package and 3 lines of code. http://openmicros.org/index.php/articles/94-ciseco-product-documentation/raspberry-pi/217-getting-started-with-raspberry-pi-gpio-and-python
[18:39] <Apocx> I hate python because indention matters.
[18:39] <Apocx> Annoys me to no end
[18:39] <JK-47> DelphiWorld: onboard temp is much different than ambient
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[18:40] <DelphiWorld> JK-47: yes, i want on-board not for the house
[18:40] <JK-47> LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/opt/vc/lib && /opt/vc/bin/vcgencmd measure_temp
[18:40] <JK-47> try that
[18:40] <JK-47> not sure if it needs a package.
[18:40] <JK-47> or cat /sys/class/thermal/thermal_zone0/temp
[18:41] <JK-47> awk '{print $1/1000,"degrees C"}' /sys/class/thermal/thermal_zone0/temp
[18:41] <DelphiWorld> JK-47: 38470
[18:41] <JK-47> 38.5C
[18:41] <DelphiWorld> JK-47: fun dude... awk '{print $1/1000,"degrees C"}' /sys/class/thermal/thermal_zone0/temp
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[18:45] <DelphiWorld> JK-47: any good stufs to see in rpi dude?
[18:45] <JK-47> Think of a project. Do project.
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[18:46] <DelphiWorld> JK-47: i know, i just got it yesterday... show me something fun, like we just got temp ;)
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[18:50] <JK-47> https://www.dropbox.com/sh/opcp5ntmkbz2031/AAAnN9ABSpgIz--9IxcxdWWZa?dl=0 light controller box.
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[18:51] <JK-47> 8 channels, 14 outlets. upgraded version will be 32 channels and 48 outlets.
[18:51] <DelphiWorld> JK-47: this is pictures?
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[18:52] <JK-47> splices up mp3 audio into buckets of frequency. toggles power outlets based off its bucket has a tone in it.
[18:53] <DelphiWorld> JK-47: ... i thought those are some pictures... cause i'm a blind person
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[19:02] <t3chguy> now gotta wait for the credits before omxplayer actually dies xD
[19:02] <ShorTie> DelphiWorld, the original is wiringPi which is C, most are just ports of it
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[19:17] <mentazoom> Does mobile charger work well as power supply for RPi2?
[19:18] <t3chguy> I'm using an Apple iPad plug with a chunky-ass SoundBlaster Roar micro-isb cable
[19:19] <t3chguy> which provides 5V@2.1A
[19:19] <DelphiWorld> t3chguy: same as you
[19:19] <t3chguy> Although I have a 3A 5V transformer that I think has had its fuse blown that I may switch to
[19:19] <DelphiWorld> ShorTie: i love wiringPi
[19:19] <t3chguy> it has a jack output so would need to cut that off and stick a microUsb onto it
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[19:20] <swiss> t3chguy: be a good person, and don't cut off the jack
[19:20] <t3chguy> lol
[19:20] <swiss> buy a jack female end
[19:20] <t3chguy> I'll make an adapter then swiss !
[19:20] <swiss> yep
[19:20] <t3chguy> yeah xD
[19:20] <swiss> they're like $3 for 8 on ebay
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[19:21] <t3chguy> if I can find the identifier for the specific jack end on this then I will
[19:21] <swiss> it's just the width
[19:21] <t3chguy> width and internal width
[19:21] <t3chguy> I have a caliper somewhere
[19:21] <swiss> http://www.ebay.com/itm/10-pcs-DC-Power-Female-Jack-2-1-x-5-5-mm-Barrel-Plug-Connector-Adapter-Terminal-/381177777840
[19:22] <t3chguy> those look like they're for CCTV cameras
[19:22] <t3chguy> wrong country though :P
[19:22] <t3chguy> I wonder how much effort will be to open up this plug to swap out the fuse though :/
[19:22] <swiss> nah, it's just power
[19:23] <t3chguy> its even damn branded
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[19:23] <t3chguy> DVE DSA-0151A-05 Switching Adapter +5V@2.4A
[19:23] <swiss> t3chguy: http://www.ebay.com/itm/like/141494557168?lpid=82&chn=ps
[19:23] <t3chguy> rounded the wrong way xD
[19:23] <t3chguy> lol thats just lazy
[19:23] <DelphiWorld> guys
[19:23] <DelphiWorld> any web app to play with?
[19:23] <DelphiWorld> in rpi2B
[19:23] <t3chguy> agar.io
[19:23] <t3chguy> agar.io
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[19:24] <t3chguy> agar.io
[19:24] <swiss> i use a dc barrel for my rpi for the backlight
[19:24] <swiss> er
[19:24] <swiss> for the backlight my rpi controls
[19:24] <swiss> its' a 7A setup
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[19:24] <t3chguy> neat
[19:24] <t3chguy> how bigs the transformer/
[19:24] <swiss> i should get the adapter and a splitter, just power the rpi + the backlight at the same time
[19:25] <DelphiWorld> t3chguy: what's agar.io
[19:25] <swiss> giant ass power brick like you'd have for a laptop
[19:25] <t3chguy> DelphiWorld: cool game/webapp
[19:25] <t3chguy> lol
[19:25] <t3chguy> I have a 250W variable output one of those here
[19:25] <t3chguy> 250/5 = 50A
[19:25] <t3chguy> -~5% ish
[19:25] <DelphiWorld> t3chguy: it kill my browser :P
[19:25] <iron_manaf> any body using kivy on their raspberry pi?
[19:25] <swiss> t3chguy: cray
[19:26] <swiss> my issue right now is also figuring out how many HDMI cables i want to deal with running to my tv
[19:26] <swiss> i want it to be 1 from my receiver, but i also want to put the rpi on the back of the tv
[19:26] <DelphiWorld> stupid question
[19:26] <swiss> which would require me running an HDMI from the rpi to the receiver
[19:26] <DelphiWorld> do the hdmi of rpi support input?
[19:26] <DelphiWorld> or only out
[19:26] <swiss> DelphiWorld: only out
[19:27] <DelphiWorld> swiss: saaaaad
[19:27] <swiss> DelphiWorld: i made an input to read from hdmi though
[19:27] <swiss> HDMI->composite->usb
[19:27] <DelphiWorld> swiss: how how :P
[19:27] <swiss> so it's super low res
[19:27] <DelphiWorld> swiss: i want to stream from hdmi
[19:27] <swiss> but good to get the colors off for my tv backlight
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[19:27] <t3chguy> lol you made an ambient light thing?
[19:28] <swiss> yeah
[19:28] <t3chguy> neat
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[19:28] <t3chguy> something looks to have exploded in this power suppy :/
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[19:30] <t3chguy> this aint to be fixed
[19:30] <t3chguy> its dead
[19:30] <mentazoom> t3chguy: can you use mini usb to usb or have to put on power outlet?
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[19:30] <t3chguy> mentazoom: as long as your USB source provides enough Amps you can just use a cable
[19:31] <t3chguy> I have an LED Keyboard that pulls 800mA on its own which is a little problematic xD
[19:31] <mentazoom> t3chguy: Okey, I was thinking of using nexus 5 charger if I find it...
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[19:31] <t3chguy> that'll probably be 1A
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[19:31] <mentazoom> too low?
[19:31] <t3chguy> which should be enough unless you put lots of peripherals onto your Pi
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[19:32] <mentazoom> t3chguy: I'm going to use flash drive as main hardrive
[19:32] <mentazoom> usb*
[19:32] <t3chguy> got a 12V 2.5A, could step that down and make good use of it xD
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[19:32] <swiss> stepdowns are a pain
[19:32] <t3chguy> nah
[19:32] <t3chguy> I have a buckboost right here
[19:32] <t3chguy> that could do it
[19:33] <t3chguy> Lol
[19:33] <t3chguy> swiss: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/ORICO-4-Port-2-4A-Smart-USB-Charger-UK-Plug-Adapter-for-5V-Smartphones-Tablets-/221756587275?hash=item33a1b8fd0b
[19:33] <t3chguy> I think that could future-proof me
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[19:33] <t3chguy> that could actually be pretty nice to get xD
[19:33] <swiss> usb-c is a lot more than 4A :P
[19:34] <t3chguy> Well I've not got a OnePlus Two or a MacBook Air 2015 yet xD
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[19:34] <mentazoom> Should iphone 5 charger work?
[19:34] <mentazoom> 5s*
[19:34] <t3chguy> mentazoom: I think those are only 1A too
[19:34] <mentazoom> I'm getting Pi2 tomorrow wanna be ready : )
[19:34] <t3chguy> the chunkier iPad chargers are 2.1A
[19:35] <t3chguy> but 1A should be plenty
[19:35] <t3chguy> until you get crazy with it
[19:35] <mentazoom> t3chguy: Thanks man, is you use like 2.1A isn't it bad for Pi2 or do you have to something so it doesn't send so much A
[19:36] <t3chguy> Amps get pulled by things like this
[19:36] <t3chguy> so it'll only use as many Amps as it needs
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[19:36] <mentazoom> Nice
[19:36] <t3chguy> its LEDs that you have to be careful with
[19:36] <t3chguy> current-regulated electronics are a pain
[19:36] <t3chguy> since current requirement changes at voltage
[19:36] <t3chguy> the Pi can survive with some voltage drop too
[19:37] <t3chguy> it shows you a cool Rainbow square in the corner if your power is a little low
[19:37] <t3chguy> if you pull too much current from a source, its voltage will drift lower
[19:37] <mentazoom> Nice to now it shows you when it's too low, will lok for it
[19:37] <mentazoom> Didn't know Pi2 had any screen to show ?
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[19:38] <mentazoom> or is it in Rasbian OS?
[19:38] <t3chguy> the red power led on the pi will flash/go off if power is low too
[19:38] <t3chguy> well its in the supported Distros
[19:38] <t3chguy> it might even be done by the firmware right into the GPU
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[19:38] <mentazoom> So if it's flashing I should turn it off and get new charger?
[19:38] <mentazoom> Or else I'm fine?
[19:38] <t3chguy> well, get a new charger
[19:38] <t3chguy> undervolting isn't dangerous as such
[19:39] <t3chguy> it'll just throttle your pi a little
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[19:39] <Broly> THRAWTUL
[19:39] <mentazoom> t3chguy: If it's not flashing it's not throttling right?
[19:40] <t3chguy> in theory
[19:40] <t3chguy> your system could be throttling for other reasons
[19:40] <t3chguy> like heat
[19:40] <t3chguy> the red led is just power
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[19:40] <t3chguy> green one is activity
[19:40] <t3chguy> I might swap them out for blue and purple :3
[19:40] <mentazoom> t3chguy: Lol, but it wouldn't be throtthling bcs of charger if it's not flashing?
[19:41] <t3chguy> yep
[19:41] <mentazoom> Thanks that will help me tomorrow
[19:41] <t3chguy> mine was flashing at first
[19:41] <t3chguy> didn't realise what it was
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[19:41] <t3chguy> (I only got mine 3 days ago)
[19:41] <t3chguy> then I realised the usb cable I was using (from my Chromecast) has some serious voltage drop across it
[19:41] <mentazoom> It was damaged?
[19:42] <t3chguy> no, the cable itself drops voltage
[19:42] <t3chguy> for whatever reason
[19:42] <t3chguy> switched it for my SoundBlaster Roar (thick as hell) microUsb cable and no more flashey
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[19:43] <mentazoom> Dam, I would never notice it if you didn't tell me lol
[19:43] <t3chguy> lol
[19:43] <t3chguy> the rainbow box made me curious
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[19:43] <t3chguy> so I googled it
[19:43] <t3chguy> hmm
[19:44] <t3chguy> I have two spare ATX Supplies
[19:44] <t3chguy> I think 30 ish Amps on each 5V Rail
[19:44] <t3chguy> could use one of those for my Pi xD
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[19:44] <Apocx> :P
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[19:44] <t3chguy> I'd have -12, 12, 5, and 3.3 already there haha
[19:45] <starmaze> t3chguy: QUICK! PULL MY FINGER!
[19:45] <mentazoom> Do you guys just learn this or have backround with working with electronics
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[19:45] <Apocx> true
[19:45] <t3chguy> mentazoom: I study Electronics
[19:45] <t3chguy> but learnt all this crap much earlier on
[19:45] <Apocx> I'm a programmer, I'm just muddling through the hardware stuff as I go :)
[19:45] <Apocx> Learning slowly
[19:45] <t3chguy> I'm actually dropping computing for a year
[19:45] <mentazoom> I'm programmer too, but I'm not understanding any workd of t3chguy
[19:46] <t3chguy> I hate what the course consists of in the following year
[19:46] <t3chguy> gonna pick it up again for the year after though
[19:46] <Apocx> Playing with the Pi or Arduino helps a ton
[19:46] <t3chguy> programming is how I feed myself :)
[19:46] <Apocx> As does trying to build simple circuits
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[19:47] <mentazoom> If I would want to learn something about building circuits what project could I look into?
[19:48] <t3chguy> think of something to make
[19:48] <t3chguy> and work it out
[19:48] <t3chguy> break it down into subsystems
[19:48] <t3chguy> and use the internet for examples and tutorials on how to make them
[19:48] <t3chguy> then make your own design
[19:48] <t3chguy> once all subsystems done, work on integration
[19:48] <mentazoom> WIth Pi2 or something else?
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[19:48] <Apocx> Yeah. If you truly are starting from scratch, I'd try learning how to make a circuit to light some LEDs up. Then add switches, etc. And keep getting more and more advanced with it as you go
[19:48] <mentazoom> I can 0 about this stuff but always wanted to learn something
[19:49] <mentazoom> Apocx: Doing this with Pi2?
[19:49] <swiss> i wouldn't even start with the pi2 for circuits
[19:49] <t3chguy> All I've ever used on the programmable side is a PIC chip using Assembly to run it
[19:49] <t3chguy> and my foundation in electronics is pretty strong
[19:49] <Apocx> Start with some AA or 9v batteries
[19:49] <t3chguy> get used to electronics on its own
[19:49] <swiss> just start with a circuit board and a 5V and ground lines
[19:49] <Apocx> Leave the Pi for later
[19:49] <t3chguy> before using programmable stuff like the Pi
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[19:49] <Apocx> Get a breadboard, a pack of resistors, some switches, some LEDs. They're all fairly cheap
[19:49] <Apocx> Then learn what they do and how you use them
[19:49] <t3chguy> swiss: I don't trust this supply to deliver 4A xD http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/SLINGBOX-SLINGMEDIA-SOLO-PRO-HD-SLINGCATCHER-5V-4A-MAINS-AC-ADAPTOR-POWER-SUPPLY-/120872962857?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item1c24970b29
[19:50] <mentazoom> Apocx: Thanks will look into it
[19:50] <Apocx> ACAdaptorsRUS
[19:50] <Apocx> That logo haha
[19:50] <t3chguy> xD
[19:50] <t3chguy> I didn't even notice
[19:50] <DelphiWorld> t3chguy: you french?
[19:50] <t3chguy> Polish, but live in Britain
[19:51] <DelphiWorld> t3chguy: :P
[19:51] <t3chguy> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/5V-DC-4000mA-Switching-Power-Supply-UL-listed-/321744647109?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item4ae979b3c5 thats more like 4A
[19:52] <aslmx2> mentazoom: these make:electronics books are quite good e.g. http://www.amazon.com/Make-Electronics-Learning-Discovery-Technology/dp/1680450263/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1438105887&sr=8-1&keywords=make+electronics there is one about AVR Programming which i really like
[19:52] <t3chguy> gotta say
[19:52] <t3chguy> my Pi is struggling with YouTube
[19:52] <t3chguy> and its the QuadCore one!
[19:53] <ShorTie> get a 5.1v or better yet 5.2v power supply if you can
[19:54] <t3chguy> why?
[19:54] <t3chguy> is that the sweet spot for it?
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[19:54] <ShorTie> that gives a little for cable lose
[19:54] <mentazoom> aslmx2: Which one for AVR programming?
[19:55] <t3chguy> I guess so, I could then get a nice longer, not too thick cable and not still be happy
[19:55] <aslmx2> sec
[19:55] <t3chguy> the tolerance on the pi is documented at +/- 5%
[19:55] <t3chguy> so 4.75V to 5.25V
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[19:55] <aslmx2> http://www.amazon.com/Make-Programming-Learning-Software-Hardware/dp/1449355781/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1438106122&sr=8-1&keywords=make+electronics+avr
[19:55] <fluffet> Anyone here who hosts OwnCloud on their RPi?
[19:55] <aslmx2> look, there is even one for Raspberry Pi projects :) havent seen it yet though http://www.amazon.com/Make-Raspberry-Projects-Augmenting-Sensors/dp/1457186241/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1438106122&sr=8-2&keywords=make+electronics+avr
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[19:55] <aslmx2> fluffet: me
[19:56] <fluffet> aslmx2: is it a smart thing to do? My 50gb Dropbox space samsung campaign just ran out, so now I'm rekt
[19:56] <Apocx> I really need to buy some servos and try my hand at robotics. I have yet to ever use a servo. Though I've also never needed one.
[19:56] <fluffet> I'm just thinking "what if the SD card breaks" but then again I would have backups on every device that's connected, so it's not really a problem
[19:57] <aslmx2> fluffet: i don't know how it runs on the new RaspberryPi2, i run/ran it on the old Raspberry B it was quite slow, i now run it primarily on my Odroid C1 which has ~comparable specs to the RaspberryPi2 and i'm quite happy with it, i would give it a try
[19:57] <aslmx2> fluffet: its also about your connection
[19:57] <fluffet> alright! then I will
[19:57] <aslmx2> do you have sufficient up/downstream at home? or at the place the Pi will reside?
[19:57] <fluffet> I have a 100/10 connection so it should be fine
[19:57] <aslmx2> nice...
[19:57] <aslmx2> that should do
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[19:58] <fluffet> I can't get 100/100 in my student apartment :(
[19:58] <aslmx2> i would give it a try
[19:58] <aslmx2> you can still buy a dropbox pro if you are not happy ;)
[19:58] <fluffet> yeah. does it work quicker via LAN?
[19:58] <aslmx2> well
[19:58] <aslmx2> there is a couple of things
[19:58] <fluffet> Yeah.. I was thinking I'd go google drive actually
[19:58] <aslmx2> first: SD Card access speed
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[19:58] <fluffet> it's way cheaper and I would never need more than 100gb
[19:58] <aslmx2> second: Network speed
[19:58] <aslmx2> third: what content? big files? Small files?
[19:59] <fluffet> It varies a lot actually
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[19:59] <aslmx2> I'd never go to any hosted solution after i'm happy with my own-hosted-solution ;)
[19:59] <fluffet> I guess biggest files are around 150mb
[19:59] <aslmx2> well i cant actually tell from experience for these kind of files
[20:00] <fluffet> well, nothing can hurt from tring
[20:00] <fluffet> trying'
[20:00] <aslmx2> i use it for day-to-day use, max 10mb files, mostly smaller PDFs (invoices and that stuff)
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[20:00] <fluffet> alright
[20:00] <t3chguy> hmm, apparently the iPad charger IS 5.1V
[20:01] <t3chguy> could just buy myself one of those and a decent length microUsb cable
[20:01] <mentazoom> you know how much iphoine 5/6 is?
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[20:01] <t3chguy> that'll be 5/5.1V
[20:01] <t3chguy> but I bet only 1A
[20:01] <t3chguy> I'll check for you
[20:01] <t3chguy> got one in the other room
[20:01] <mentazoom> thakns :)
[20:01] <mentazoom> thanks*
[20:02] <t3chguy> 5V@1A
[20:02] <mentazoom> Ah, maybe it will be fine for me
[20:02] <t3chguy> LOL
[20:02] <t3chguy> the ChromeBook chargers are 5.2V@0.8A
[20:03] <t3chguy> oh wait no
[20:03] <t3chguy> I got that wayyy wrong
[20:03] <t3chguy> thats 0.8A on the Hot side
[20:03] <Apocx> Remember how I said I wanted to design my own PCB for an ARM chip? I take that back. http://hforsten.com/img/diy-bga/board.png
[20:03] <t3chguy> 2-3.1A on the safe side O_O
[20:03] <t3chguy> lol
[20:03] <t3chguy> is that one of the Pi competitors?
[20:03] <t3chguy> Orange Pi or some shit like that
[20:04] <Apocx> Nah just some guy making an embedded Linux computer
[20:04] <Apocx> http://hforsten.com/making-embedded-linux-computer.html
[20:04] <t3chguy> lol
[20:04] <Apocx> Orange Pi looks pretty neat though
[20:04] <Apocx> so does Bananna Pi
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[20:04] <t3chguy> perfect supply: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Multi-Charger-for-HP-Chrome-Google-PA-1150-22GO-J3Z017391A3-PT54-E132068-F3X85UT-/161723819522?hash=item25a77da602
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[20:05] <t3chguy> ah
[20:05] <t3chguy> the polyfuse itself drops 0.1-0.3V
[20:06] <t3chguy> hmm
[20:06] <t3chguy> maybe I'll go for a lower V PSU
[20:06] <t3chguy> less heat generated by the linear regulators
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[20:06] <t3chguy> imma measure the voltage reaching my Pi
[20:07] <t3chguy> 4.93 at GPIO
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[20:09] <fluffet> I wish I was into hardware stuff and sensors :(
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[20:10] <t3chguy> o_O
[20:10] <fluffet> I never have any fun ideas
[20:10] <t3chguy> 5V-5.32V, I love this supply but it going that high scares me
[20:11] <t3chguy> I could put a diode inline with it I guess
[20:11] <t3chguy> to drop it the 0.3
[20:11] <swiss> and heat up the diode
[20:11] <t3chguy> fair point
[20:11] <t3chguy> wait
[20:11] <t3chguy> the Pi2 doesn't use linear regulators does it
[20:11] <t3chguy> it uses switching
[20:11] <iron_manaf> anybody have any experience with the adafruit 3.5tft display?
[20:11] <t3chguy> thats how they cooled it down
[20:11] <swiss> i'd expect so
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[20:12] <t3chguy> hmm
[20:12] <Apocx> I have one iron_manaf
[20:12] <t3chguy> I might just go for a Phone-style charger
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[20:12] <t3chguy> and get a cool braided cable for my pI xD
[20:12] <t3chguy> or a flat one
[20:12] <t3chguy> i.e something cool
[20:12] <mentazoom> Guys I have been looking for a tutorial on how to use USB flash drive as main hardrive, not finding anything. Any links? :)
[20:13] <t3chguy> as main harddrive?
[20:13] <t3chguy> as in boot drive or what?
[20:13] <mentazoom> No boot from SD
[20:13] <iron_manaf> Apocx: I'm trying to run kivy on it but it displays the window through hdmi instead of the tft. I'm wondering if there is some setting that I need to make the tft display 0?
[20:13] <t3chguy> mentazoom: no special configuration for pi then
[20:13] <mentazoom> I should maybe say as storage drive?
[20:13] <t3chguy> plugging a USB drive in will mount it mentazoom
[20:13] <t3chguy> and you can use it for whatever you want
[20:14] <mentazoom> t3chguy: Is it something you have to to mount it and tell Pi to save stuff there?
[20:14] <t3chguy> Well you'd need to tell whatever software you'd want to save there, to save there
[20:14] <mentazoom> Or is it just like ordinary OS so you put stuff there manually like drag and drop?
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[20:14] <mentazoom> Thinkin of using Rasbian OS
[20:14] <t3chguy> that doesn't define an ordinary OS
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[20:15] <t3chguy> I use Ubuntu Mate so can't say anything about Raspbian
[20:15] <Apocx> are you trying to run just Kivy on the TFT or are you fine with the whole desktop environment running on it
[20:15] <t3chguy> but its Debian based
[20:15] <t3chguy> and if it comes with a Graphical Environment
[20:15] <t3chguy> then it'll be just like Windows in that sense
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[20:15] <iron_manaf> Apocx, I'm using the command line to run kivy I'm fine with just the app running just can't figure out why it only displays through the hdmi output and not on the tft screen
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[20:16] <mentazoom> t3chguy: On ordinary OS woudln't you jsut drag and drop software on flash drive and use the software from there?
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[20:16] <t3chguy> mentazoom: software in Linux isn't as easy and that
[20:16] <Apocx> there's a way to specify the display device to use, trying to remember how
[20:16] <t3chguy> to be fair you can't drag-and-drop software in Windows either
[20:16] <t3chguy> unless its porable
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[20:16] <t3chguy> Debian will install software onto your boot drive
[20:16] <mentazoom> t3chguy: What should I do then? I have no idea
[20:16] <t3chguy> changing that would be a pain
[20:17] <t3chguy> but storage drives are used for storage, not software
[20:17] <iron_manaf> Apocx, that's what i can't seem to figure out either, google isn't being very helpful in this respect
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[20:17] <mentazoom> t3chguy: If a software needs a big file, could I put the big file in flash drive and software on SD?
[20:18] <t3chguy> you could symlink it sure
[20:19] <mentazoom> So I have to learn about that
[20:19] <mentazoom> I thought it would be easier
[20:19] <t3chguy> Learn Linux in general
[20:19] <t3chguy> well
[20:19] <t3chguy> unless you want to install Windows 10 onto the RPi2
[20:19] <ShorTie> or use a little sdcard and put the system on flash drive, tis easie peesie
[20:20] <t3chguy> flash drive would be somewhat slower though
[20:20] <ShorTie> usb hdd then
[20:20] <aslmx2> mentazoom: the best way to learn linux is to switch to linux on your desktop environment ;)
[20:20] <mentazoom> ShorTie: Doesn't the system need to be on SD on RP2? Because it needs to boot from SD?
[20:20] <t3chguy> flash drive is faster than usb HDD...
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[20:21] <t3chguy> you could run initramfs on the SD, which just launches the OS on the USB Drive
[20:21] <ShorTie> yes it boots from sdcard, but that is just the kernel and a few things, the rest can easily be else where
[20:21] <mentazoom> You guys know of any tutorial to do this?
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[20:22] <ShorTie> easiest is right image to sdcard, write image to other thing, change root device in config.txt to other thing, done deal
[20:22] <Apocx> FRAMEBUFFER=/dev/fb1 <command> try that maybe?
[20:23] <Apocx> could also be fb0
[20:23] <Apocx> don't have my TFT Pi here so can't test it
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[20:25] <mentazoom> t3chguy: Are you saying flash drive will be slower than SD card?
[20:27] <mentazoom> ShorTie: I have to set up OS on both things?
[20:27] <ShorTie> No
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[20:28] <Apocx> mentazoom, by what I gather you just need to put Raspbian on your SD card and mount your USB flash drive so it acts as a secondary storage device. You just want the extra storage right? So you can use a smaller SD card
[20:28] <ShorTie> all OS setup would happen on the other thing
[20:29] <mentazoom> Apocx: You are right. But how to I make the flash drive act as storage device?
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[20:30] <Apocx> http://www.raspberrypi-spy.co.uk/2014/05/how-to-mount-a-usb-flash-disk-on-the-raspberry-pi/
[20:30] <Apocx> You basically want to stop at Step 5
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[20:30] <Apocx> you want automount so it does it automatically at startup
[20:30] <ShorTie> just make a directory off of /, and use fstab to mount the usb device as that directory
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[20:31] <ShorTie> just like root and boot are done
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[20:31] <Apocx> yep
[20:31] <ShorTie> but those are partitions
[20:31] <mentazoom> So what ShorTie said is step 5 on your link Apocx ?
[20:32] <Apocx> yeah fstab
[20:32] <iron_manaf> Apocx, that didn't work, but I did see somehthing on running fbcp and then the kivy application so i'm going to try that
[20:32] <Apocx> Ok :)
[20:32] <Apocx> Sorry I can't help you more, it's been a good 6 months or so since I've messed with my TFT
[20:33] <mentazoom> But when I do this, will it save everything on pen drive from start?
[20:33] <iron_manaf> No problem, thanks for the suggestion
[20:33] <ShorTie> there they are using the UUID of the device so only it will be mounted as that directory
[20:34] <mentazoom> Does that mean I have to just drag software there and run it there and it will be fine?
[20:35] <mentazoom> Will there be any conflicts?
[20:35] <ShorTie> depends on the software and how it does stuff
[20:36] <t3chguy> software often doesn't get dragged in computers
[20:36] <ShorTie> it might still store stuff and use the sdcard
[20:36] <mentazoom> But how can any software run there if it need OS?
[20:36] <t3chguy> only OS that I know that does drag and drop installs is OSX
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[20:37] <mentazoom> So what's the best practice to use pen drive as storage device?
[20:37] <t3chguy> storage means files
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[20:38] <t3chguy> storage drives don't tend to store software
[20:38] <mentazoom> What should I call it
[20:38] <ShorTie> dpends on what your doing, lots of options out there
[20:38] <mentazoom> I want to just run the OS on pen drive
[20:38] <mattrichardson> iron_manaf: Never heard of kivy before, but I like what I see! I might mess around with this a bit. Have you been using it much?
[20:38] <mentazoom> But I heard you have to boot from SD
[20:38] <mentazoom> Because the SD has too low capacity
[20:39] <t3chguy> lol
[20:39] <t3chguy> this PSU is exactly 5.25V I fear that's pushing it a little
[20:39] <ShorTie> this is true, the pi will only boot from a fat partition on the sdcard
[20:39] <iron_manaf> mattrichardson: Nope just started but so far it's pretty cool other than the screen issue. I really like that fact that you can build for android/iOS and have an entire working app from python.
[20:40] <ShorTie> but the boot partition is only like 40 megs
[20:40] <mentazoom> ShorTie: How can I do what I want to?
[20:40] <ShorTie> it only needs to hold the kernel and a few other files
[20:40] <t3chguy> mentazoom: Linux isn't an operating system
[20:40] <t3chguy> try to keep that in mind
[20:40] <t3chguy> Linux is just the kernel
[20:40] <t3chguy> all the distros are the OSes
[20:41] <t3chguy> if you have the kernel and bootstrap on the SD
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[20:41] <t3chguy> you could boot from anything
[20:41] <ShorTie> <ShorTie> easiest is right image to sdcard, write image to other thing, change root device in config.txt to other thing, done deal
[20:41] <t3chguy> with drivers, even NetBoot
[20:42] <mentazoom> So I save NOOBS on both? is that the kernel?
[20:42] <t3chguy> the Kernel is always Linux
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[20:42] <t3chguy> as I just said, Linux is a Kernel
[20:42] <t3chguy> NOOBS is an install platform
[20:42] <t3chguy> which helps you install the distro you want
[20:42] <ShorTie> oh, NOOBS, scrub that 1st off, lol.
[20:42] <ShorTie> get a real image
[20:42] <t3chguy> well
[20:42] <t3chguy> or run through Noobs
[20:42] <t3chguy> until its done on the SD
[20:42] <t3chguy> then clone it onto your USB
[20:43] <t3chguy> then expand the filesystem on the USB
[20:43] <mentazoom> my brain..
[20:43] <ShorTie> don't think you can do much else then use a sdcard with NOOBS
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[20:43] <mentazoom> ShortTie what image then??
[20:43] <ShorTie> but i have never really used it
[20:44] <ShorTie> raspbian latest
[20:44] <t3chguy> Raspbian or Ubuntu Mate or regular Debian
[20:44] <ShorTie> i'd stick to raspbian if it was me
[20:44] <mentazoom> I will use Rasbian then
[20:44] <mentazoom> so I install Rasbian on both?
[20:44] <t3chguy> I like Ubuntu Mate
[20:45] <t3chguy> ShorTie: I might make a Kubuntu 15.04 image :P
[20:45] <t3chguy> KDE Plasma is gorgeous
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[20:45] <ShorTie> http://downloads.raspberrypi.org/raspbian_latest
[20:45] <t3chguy> probably too heavy for a Pi though
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[20:46] <ShorTie> Yes mentazoom
[20:46] <mentazoom> ShorTie: That sounds weird, that would be two OS on two drives, how will they interract?
[20:46] <ShorTie> but it will use boot from sdcard and root from the usb device
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[20:47] <mentazoom> ShorTie: 1. Install Rasbian on SD. 2. Mount USB and install Rasbian on it. 2 Change config file to make usb root and SD boot?
[20:47] <ShorTie> the root partition on the sdcard, although it is there, will not even be seen
[20:47] <t3chguy> hmm
[20:47] <ShorTie> same as the boot partition of the usb device
[20:47] <t3chguy> what are the *RUN* pins for on the Pi2 o_O
[20:48] <t3chguy> oooh reset header
[20:48] <t3chguy> neat
[20:50] <ShorTie> after you write the image to both, Change cmdline.txt on sdcard from root=/dev/mmcblk0p2 to root=/dev/sda2
[20:51] <ShorTie> nap time, bbiab
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[20:52] <mentazoom> ShorTie: So step 1 nad 2 are right? you install full OS on both?
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[21:10] <t3chguy> I could just stop being so picky and get the official power supply
[21:10] <t3chguy> seing as I have the official case too xD
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[21:16] <t3chguy> or I could just use this old TomTom 5V2A supply
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[21:16] <t3chguy> wrong tip though
[21:16] <t3chguy> argh
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[21:20] <GenteelBen> Official power supply for the t3chguy?
[21:20] <t3chguy> Raspberry Official
[21:21] <t3chguy> http://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0188/6794/products/Rpi_Supply_2_of_2_1024x1024.jpg?v=1402328501
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[21:35] <t3chguy> Yano what
[21:35] <t3chguy> imma built my own regulated supply xD
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[21:35] <t3chguy> maybe I'll test lower bound limits of the Pi
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[21:36] <Apocx> do it and report back
[21:37] <t3chguy> I'm sad that 5V2A4 supply died
[21:37] <t3chguy> its plug was the right jack to fit into my Buck boost converter xD
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[21:49] <t3chguy> My temporary supply is capable of around 5V7A
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[21:53] <mentazoom> t3chguy: This should be fine? 3-12V DC 1,5A
[21:54] <t3chguy> 3-12V variable?
[21:54] <t3chguy> as long as it has a MicroUSB tip, and can supply 1.5A at 5V then eyah
[21:54] <mentazoom> Yea you can change: https://www.dustinhome.no/product/5010383039/power-adapter-230v---3-12v-dc-1500ma
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[21:55] <mentazoom> Is it best to use minusb or the other power port or whatever it's called
[21:55] <t3chguy> yeah I have an identical one for testing actually just with a UK plugon it :P
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[21:55] <mentazoom> So it's good?
[21:55] <t3chguy> sure
[21:55] <mentazoom> Nice:)
[21:55] <mentazoom> t3chguy: This good? https://www.dustinhome.no/product/5010795915/pro-mb-sg64d
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[21:56] <t3chguy> yeah similar to mine
[21:56] <mentazoom> Cool
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[22:01] <EazyZ> hi, all. i’ve managed to install realvnc on my Pi and connect to it from my mac. i'd like to have realvnc automatically run on startup. can someone help me? all of the resources online provide instructions for TightVNC but not for RealVNC. thanks.
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[22:01] <t3chguy> EazyZ: just create a sysvinit job for it
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[22:02] <EazyZ> t3chguy: i’m a total noobie with linux and the pi, let me do some googling
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[22:03] <t3chguy> its a linux thing rather than a pi
[22:03] <EazyZ> yes
[22:03] <EazyZ> so i’d be creating a script t3chguy?
[22:03] <EazyZ> and running that script?
[22:03] <t3chguy> well no
[22:04] <t3chguy> sysvinit would run it for you
[22:04] <t3chguy> during boot time
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[22:04] <EazyZ> i only know how to startup up realvnc using the interface, i am really new to workign with terminal
[22:04] <EazyZ> but i knwo the command: “vncserver”
[22:04] <EazyZ> i had trouble with permissions all day
[22:04] <t3chguy> research sysvinit
[22:05] <EazyZ> ok
[22:05] <t3chguy> unless you are running Debian Jessie or Ubuntu Vivid, then its SystemD you need to research
[22:05] <EazyZ> just raspbian
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[22:05] <t3chguy> yeah I don't know which version of Debian that is based on but I assume Debian oldstable
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[22:06] <lessent> Hi all
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[22:14] <Stanto> t3chguy: it's wheezy
[22:14] <Stanto> So systemV
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[22:14] <t3chguy> so oldstable
[22:15] <Stanto> Currently, yes
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[22:16] <t3chguy> well stable uses systemsd
[22:16] <Stanto> Yes it does
[22:16] <t3chguy> s/sd/d/
[22:16] <Stanto> Which is Jessie, for anyone else reading.
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[22:16] <Stanto> Afaik there isn't a standard raspbian build of jessie, but you can make a build of jessie for the pi
[22:17] <t3chguy> I use Ubuntu Mate hahah
[22:17] <Stanto> I've heard that's nice
[22:17] <t3chguy> it is
[22:17] <t3chguy> a little sluggish
[22:17] <t3chguy> but not unbearable
[22:17] <Stanto> Probably due to lack of hardware acceleration on the visuals
[22:17] <Stanto> Which I think is still a thing
[22:17] <t3chguy> maybe
[22:18] <t3chguy> Youtube videos in FF suck
[22:18] <Stanto> There is a person working on a full x/opengl driver for the pi
[22:18] <t3chguy> but I've not tried raspbian so no idea how they fare there
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[22:18] <Stanto> Reasonably
[22:19] <Stanto> HTML5 fares better than flash
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[22:19] <t3chguy> to watch a youtube video I need to span it to half screen
[22:19] <t3chguy> so it doesn't do as much rendering
[22:19] <t3chguy> if I got omxplayer streaming from youtube it'd run awesome
[22:19] <t3chguy> especially since I bought both codec licences
[22:20] <CoJaBo> The codec licenses wouldn't matter for youtube
[22:20] <t3chguy> I know, but they would for omxplayer
[22:20] <t3chguy> which is why I said streaming from there would be perfect
[22:20] <CoJaBo> I've never encountered a need for them
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[22:21] <t3chguy> Well I tried a 720p mp4 in VLC and it sucked
[22:21] <t3chguy> unwatchable
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[22:21] <tawr> t3chguy: did you buy the hardware-accelerated driver/
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[22:22] <t3chguy> tawr: yeah, but didn't compile VLC with omx acceleration so thats why that sucks
[22:22] <t3chguy> in omxplayer it was smooth as hell
[22:23] <EazyZ> t3chguy: this is next to impossible for someone with my user level :(
[22:23] <CoJaBo> My pi can play things my gaming laptop couldn't <_<
[22:23] <t3chguy> CoJaBo: LOL
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[22:23] <t3chguy> EazyZ: just google a sample sysvinit and change it to run the binary you need it to run?
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[22:24] <EazyZ> easier said than done man
[22:24] <EazyZ> im amazed I can even connect to the pi from my mac, that i got it working
[22:25] <EazyZ> i just want to run “vncserver” in the terminal every time i startup my pi
[22:25] <tawr> EazyZ: LOL
[22:25] <t3chguy> an alternative is to add it to your crontab
[22:25] <t3chguy> wait
[22:25] <tawr> EazyZ: do this
[22:26] <EazyZ> for tightvnc people create a file in ~/.config/autostart $
[22:26] <t3chguy> how did you install vncserver
[22:26] <t3chguy> apt-get?
[22:26] <EazyZ> sudo get-apt install vncserver
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[22:26] <EazyZ> tawr: yes?
[22:26] <tawr> go to terminal. type crontab -e , @reboot vncserver save exit
[22:26] <t3chguy> wait tawr
[22:26] <ShorTie> x11vnc is easy to get to screen:0
[22:26] <t3chguy> I bet the package ships with it
[22:26] <tawr> sorry '@reboot vncserver'
[22:26] <tawr> then save, exit
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[22:27] <t3chguy> you should try `update-rc.d vncserver defaults`
[22:27] <tawr> only do one or the other EazyZ
[22:27] <tawr> otherwise you'll launch several lol
[22:28] <t3chguy> the more properly correct one is mine if it works
[22:28] <t3chguy> as it gives you more control
[22:28] <t3chguy> and would restart it if it for whatever reason dies
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[22:28] <EazyZ> tawr: http://pastebin.com/ckQyVfHa
[22:29] <EazyZ> :( sorry im really bad with this
[22:29] <t3chguy> EazyZ: its `crontab -e` but try my method first
[22:29] <t3chguy> mine is literally one command
[22:29] <t3chguy> `update-rc.d vncserver defaults`
[22:29] <EazyZ> ok
[22:29] <t3chguy> tell us the output of it
[22:29] <ShorTie> here is x11vnc http://pastebin.com/EmPfrTYp
[22:29] <EazyZ> pi@raspberrypi ~/.config/autostart $ update-rc.d vncserver defaults
[22:29] <EazyZ> update-rc.d: using dependency based boot sequencing
[22:30] <EazyZ> update-rc.d: error: unable to read /etc/init.d/vncserver
[22:30] <EazyZ> pi@raspberrypi ~/.config/autostart $
[22:30] <t3chguy> hmm
[22:30] <t3chguy> the job is probably renamed
[22:30] <t3chguy> use the easy way then
[22:30] <t3chguy> `crontab -e`
[22:30] <EazyZ> ok
[22:30] <t3chguy> and to the bottom add the line `@reboot vncserver`
[22:30] <ShorTie> do the whole 'sudo dd ... EOF' in 1 paste
[22:30] <EazyZ> crontab -e @reboot vncserver
[22:30] <EazyZ> is this the command?
[22:30] <t3chguy> no Eas
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[22:30] <t3chguy> EazyZ:
[22:30] <t3chguy> just `crontab -e`
[22:30] <t3chguy> then probably type 2 then Enter
[22:30] <EazyZ> oh
[22:31] <t3chguy> and then it'll open up Nano, a text editor
[22:31] <t3chguy> at the bottom of the file add `@reboot vncserver`
[22:31] <EazyZ> saved it
[22:31] <EazyZ> now i will reboot
[22:31] <t3chguy> try rebooting :P
[22:31] <EazyZ> ok bro
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[22:33] <EazyZ> no luck
[22:33] <EazyZ> it didnt boot up
[22:33] <EazyZ> i’ve been opening it with the GUI
[22:33] <EazyZ> but soon i will have no monitor for the PI thats why im trying to set it up this way
[22:33] <t3chguy> whats the output of `which vncserver`
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[22:34] <ShorTie> didn't think that would work
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[22:34] <EazyZ> its not returning anything
[22:34] <EazyZ> i guess that wasnt the command
[22:34] <t3chguy> yeah doesn't look like it
[22:34] <t3chguy> find the command that works
[22:35] <EazyZ> is there a way i can use the GUI shortcut in my menu bar and find that out?
[22:35] <ShorTie> this x11vnc, and works http://pastebin.com/EmPfrTYp
[22:35] <EazyZ> let me try that ShorTie
[22:36] <ShorTie> paste that whole last section at once
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[22:39] <EazyZ> i ust remembed t3chguy
[22:39] <EazyZ> i downloaded a .deb file from realvnc.com
[22:39] <EazyZ> and i installed vncserver that way
[22:39] <EazyZ> i uninstalled it now though
[22:39] <EazyZ> im going to try ShorTie’s VNC server
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[22:40] <ShorTie> downloading .deb like does not work for the pi
[22:40] <TheLostAdmin> Shortie has his own VNC server?
[22:41] <EazyZ> x11vnc
[22:41] <ShorTie> because they are not compiled right for the pi
[22:41] <ShorTie> no, just my own instructions, lol.
[22:42] <EazyZ> what does EOF mean
[22:43] <ShorTie> End Of File
[22:43] <EazyZ> ok
[22:43] <EazyZ> navigating to /autostart
[22:43] <ShorTie> do that whole section at once
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[22:44] <ShorTie> full paths are in all commands, so no need to navigate anywhere really
[22:44] <EazyZ> for usepw
[22:44] <EazyZ> do i enter the password i selected?
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[22:45] <ShorTie> it would be a x11vnc password, any thing you want
[22:45] <EazyZ> so i selected the pw “viewer”
[22:45] <EazyZ> where do i append that?
[22:45] <EazyZ> Exec=x11vnc -forever -usepw -display :0 -ultrafilexfer
[22:46] <EazyZ> or do i not
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[22:46] <ShorTie> i said a number of times to paste that whole section at once
[22:46] <EazyZ> sorry
[22:47] <EazyZ> i am typign it manually because i have no vnc server now
[22:47] <EazyZ> ok saving
[22:47] <ShorTie> it creates the file and puts what is need in it all at once
[22:47] <EazyZ> ok i’ve done that
[22:47] <EazyZ> installed x11vnc and created the file in autostart
[22:48] <EazyZ> started up x11vnc
[22:49] <Broly> like how are you guys even having fun with this device when broadcom fuckin chinces on the systems level support
[22:49] <ShorTie> simple reboot and it should start
[22:49] <EazyZ> rebooting
[22:49] <ShorTie> watch the language Broly !!
[22:49] <Broly> yeah yeah i get it
[22:49] <Broly> but broadcom deserves it
[22:50] <ShorTie> but it seems like you do not get the channel rules
[22:50] <ShorTie> did you read them ??
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[22:50] <EazyZ> i dont see anything on th edesktop ShorTie
[22:50] <Broly> yes
[22:50] <EazyZ> ok wow
[22:50] <EazyZ> it connected bro
[22:50] <EazyZ> ShorTie: thank you very very much
[22:50] <ShorTie> you will not see any thing
[22:50] <ShorTie> No Problem
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[22:50] <EazyZ> you are my hero
[22:50] <Broly> wow
[22:51] <EazyZ> now i can disconnect my TV and gift it to my brother
[22:51] <EazyZ> your karmic bonus is multiplying, sir
[22:51] <ShorTie> no, good notes are your hero
[22:52] <ShorTie> good notes are fundamental to Linux
[22:52] <TheLostAdmin> I had a heck of a time getting VNC to do what I wanted on the PI. And having good notes from someone else would have helped at the time. Glad you made some, Shortie
[22:53] <EazyZ> ^ TheLostAdmin
[22:53] <EazyZ> will be idling in this channel from now on
[22:55] <Stanto> ShorTie: and an internet connection
[22:55] <ShorTie> i will wipe and reload/redo a sdcard a few times, just to get good notes .. :/~
[22:56] <monsti> yeah - refresh all bits ;
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[23:09] <k_j> what's osmc?
[23:10] <k_j> what does it stand for in terms of distributions for the rpi?
[23:11] <NedScott> OSMC is a debian-based distro that focuses on Kodi, but with a custom skin and some extras
[23:11] <NedScott> think of it as an alternative to OpenELEC and Xbian
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[23:12] <k_j> thx
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[23:52] <t3chguy> you know what
[23:52] <t3chguy> my spare modular PSU has 3A on its 5V Stand-by power
[23:52] <t3chguy> so fan-less i've got more than enough power for the Pi xD
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