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IRC Log for 2015-08-05

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[0:05] <CTMGame> Actually, I think I'm going to use the 2.2'' variant.
[0:05] <CTMGame> I didn't really need the touch-screen and this will really fit.
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[0:08] <NullMoogleCable> hi
[0:09] <CTMGame> Hi
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[0:16] <t3chguy> Lol looks like the arduino due is perfect to interact with the pi
[0:17] <t3chguy> They both run at a 3.3v logic high
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[1:24] <faLUCE> hello. I'm using rsync for syncing host A <----> raspberry pi (host B) with an external 2TB drive . The problem is that when scanning the filesystem, raspberry takes too much time. Is there a way to sync only changes that happens to host A, so to avoid raspberry compute the file list each time? I don't need to change files on raspberry,,, it only has to keep synced with changes on host A
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[1:54] <NullMoogleCable> is there a way to tell retropie to choose a random game?
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[2:31] <ICantCook> Hi everyone. I've installed the latest raspbian on my raspberry pi, configured it to boot directly into openbox and open chromium in kiosk mode
[2:31] <ICantCook> I have wifi setup and working
[2:31] <ICantCook> are there any services I can remove/disable to improve performance?
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[2:38] <floris> run rcconf ?
[2:38] <ICantCook> more importantly, how can I disable the screen blanking via terminal?
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[2:39] <floris> ICantCook : for screen blanking, i have searched on google
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[2:44] <ICantCook> floris: I have tried a few things from Google without luck so far
[2:46] <ICantCook> sorry I'm multitasking. I'll try come back with a list of what I've tried
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[2:48] <Delamare2112> hi guys!
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[2:49] <Delamare2112> Anyone here good with servos?
[2:50] <Kamilion> I know how they work mechanically and electrically. Not so good with the programming side.
[2:51] <Delamare2112> Right now I can only get it to spin left :-(
[2:51] <Kamilion> what kind of servo? Standard micro-RC, 3 pin?
[2:52] <Kamilion> modified for continous travel?
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[2:52] <Delamare2112> HITEC HS422 not continous travel
[2:52] <Kamilion> lemme see if that's marked as a positional servo
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[2:53] <Kamilion> yeah, it is
[2:53] <Kamilion> http://cdn.sparkfun.com/datasheets/Robotics/hs422-31422S.pdf
[2:54] <Kamilion> see here on the datasheet where it's marked "PULSE WIDTH CONTROL 1500usec NEUTRAL"
[2:54] <Delamare2112> getting to the pdf now 1 min
[2:55] <Kamilion> you change your PWM to indicate which compass direction to rotate to.
[2:55] <Delamare2112> Yes I see it
[2:56] <Delamare2112> So does this servo only spin one direction?
[2:57] <Kamilion> they're used a lot in RC aircraft for controlling rudders and other control surfaces where you're pointing and holding that position
[2:57] <Kamilion> not really so much for rotating
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[2:57] <Delamare2112> I am using this servo to press an air horn button at different pressures to control volume
[2:58] <Kamilion> yes, it should be useful for that purpouse.
[2:59] <Delamare2112> So currently I am have trouble make the servo spin from 0 degrees to 180 degrees and back to 0 degrees
[2:59] <Delamare2112> It just spins CCW no matter the Duty Cycle I pass it
[3:00] <Kamilion> what happens if you pass it 50%?
[3:00] <Delamare2112> It spins CCW
[3:00] <Kamilion> Hrrm.
[3:00] <Kamilion> and it never stops spinning?
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[3:00] <Delamare2112> It stops once it reaches it's boundaries
[3:00] <Kamilion> and you reset it by hand?
[3:00] <Delamare2112> We're trying to do this throught the GPIO PWM library in python
[3:01] <Delamare2112> Yeah, reset it by hand
[3:01] <Kamilion> Hm, this sort of thing generally requires high precision
[3:01] <Kamilion> lemme look something up -- I've never tried to connect a servo's PWM pin directly to a pi
[3:02] <Delamare2112> We have the data pin of the servo connected to pin 18 on the Rasbperry Pi 2
[3:02] <NedScott> wouldn't you want a... dang, what's it called
[3:02] <NedScott> stepper motor?
[3:02] <Kamilion> https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=37&t=46771
[3:03] <Delamare2112> Stepper motors don't have enough torque to press down the air horn button
[3:03] <Kamilion> Delamare2112: this thread covers a bunch of the intricacies including explaining the peculiar analog timing needs of servos
[3:03] <Delamare2112> Without spenindg an arm and a leg
[3:03] <NedScott> ah
[3:03] <NedScott> well, unless you harvest something from a dead printer or scanner, maybe :)
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[3:04] <NedScott> maybe a really old scanner
[3:04] <NedScott> the big ones
[3:04] <Kamilion> Delamare2112: apparently there's a number of libraries made explicitly for this, including servoblaster and pigpio
[3:04] <NedScott> the newer ones are probably not as powerful
[3:04] <Kamilion> they use DMA to time the pulses
[3:04] <NedScott> there's probably a Pi-specific AirHorn project out there, lol
[3:04] <Kamilion> instead of slowly bitbanging GPIO
[3:04] <NedScott> I think there was a specific project for spraying cats with water
[3:05] <NedScott> something actively maintained
[3:05] <Kamilion> NedScott: most of these python libraries are actively maintained.
[3:06] <Kamilion> the interfaces built on top of them may have crumbled a bit though ;)
[3:06] <Delamare2112> We tried Servoblaster, but the current release hangs on a Pi 2
[3:06] <NedScott> no I mean, a group of people dedicated to using Pis to spray cats with water when motion is detected
[3:06] <Delamare2112> We'll take a look at pigpio
[3:06] <NedScott> but I might be remembering a dream, because I can't find it
[3:06] <NedScott> lol
[3:06] <Kamilion> Delamare2112: yeah, the pi2 is a different beast
[3:07] <Kamilion> you CAN use a pi1 userspace on it, but you still need a pi2 kernel, as far as I've been able to tell.
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[3:07] <Kamilion> there is no issue running older arm6 built binaries, but it is a full arm7 now and that meets the minimum requirements of most of the arm-supporting distros now.
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[3:08] <Delamare2112> We also tried following the Adafruit Occidentalis tutorial, but we're using raspbian, and it seems the kernel module thier using is built in
[3:08] <Kamilion> that said -- just because a binary is still runnable doesn't mean the hardware is still mapped in the same places.
[3:09] <Kamilion> yeah, I use a kernel7.img I built from the raspberry-pi kernel github but a standard rootfs image
[3:10] <Kamilion> on the pi2 it really didn't take all that long to compile.
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[3:10] <Kamilion> i was following some tutorials on getting KVM virtualization working
[3:12] <Kamilion> Delamare2112: http://raspberrypi.stackexchange.com/questions/29480/how-to-use-pigpio-to-control-a-servo-motor-with-a-keyboard
[3:12] <Kamilion> from this, there's indications pigpio works on a pi2
[3:12] <Delamare2112> Ha, we're looking at that exact page right now :)
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[3:15] <Delamare2112> Okay, we're going to try using the pigpio library right now
[3:15] <Delamare2112> We'll respond if with our results
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[3:16] <Kamilion> good luck.
[3:16] <Kamilion> also, i just learned more about curses myself :D
[3:17] <alchemistswl> :^) I want something to spray at my cats
[3:17] <ICantCook> which debian version is raspbian based on?
[3:17] <Kamilion> wheezy by default
[3:18] <Kamilion> although you can change the source lines to jessie and apt-get distupgrade
[3:18] <Kamilion> in preparation for a jessie release sometimes
[3:18] <ICantCook> Kamilion: thanks
[3:18] <Kamilion> look for instructions cause there's some hurt there
[3:19] <Kamilion> systemd has bitten some people strangely
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[3:19] <ICantCook> I'll stick with wheezy for now :)
[3:19] <Kamilion> I'm personally not sure what the issue is
[3:19] <Kamilion> cause I got it to work m'self
[3:20] <Kamilion> i did it ~3 weeks agoish
[3:21] <Kamilion> and there's been some package updates since then I think
[3:21] <Kamilion> so really it's sort of hit or miss depending on what's in the repos at the time, I guess. No way to know but to try!
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[3:23] <Kamilion> right now I'm busy trying to get openwrt to work :3
[3:23] <alchemistswl> <_<
[3:23] <alchemistswl> but can you store rare pepes on openwrt?
[3:24] <Kamilion> what is a rare pepes? Is that like peeps? Do they expand in the microwave? CAN I EAT THEM!?
[3:24] <Kamilion> are they filled with marshmallowy goodness
[3:24] <alchemistswl> It's sad frogs :(
[3:24] <Kamilion> I do not comprehend
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[3:25] <Kamilion> frogs are edible, as far as I know...
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[3:25] <alchemistswl> Yes they are, but I rather eat chicken tendies
[3:26] <Kamilion> haha great post. Well meme'd my friend.
[3:27] <alchemistswl> Kinda boring atm. Nothing to do, raspi runs as sftp server just fine atm. It's 03:26 AM(for you 12hr peeps) and I'm wondering if I should get a pi 2
[3:27] <Kamilion> openssh has a very nice layer2/3 tap/tun VPN too.
[3:27] <Kamilion> there's just no client to use it on windows, as far as I've found. Tape on a pi./
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[3:29] <Kamilion> my pi2 has been a bit annoying to get operational, but is definitely a decent performer.
[3:29] <alchemistswl> Hmm, well I just use SFTP for syncing stuff across my pc and phones since a) good home line b) commerical services suck c) don't want to shovel my files into some government controlled mouth.. The PI B is too slow for owncloud thou, runs too slow don't know about it on pi2, should be much smoother
[3:29] <AndChat|716289> So do gpio inputs to attach to specific pins if not mentioned? Must just be power toggling right?
[3:29] <Kamilion> I'd ward you away from owncloud right now -- PHP's not the greatest at security.
[3:30] <Kamilion> stick with sftp, quite honestly.
[3:30] <AndChat|716289> Also I wonder if the pi 2 can play YouTube videos
[3:30] <Kamilion> AndChat|716289: yep, it can play youtube videos. I do it with the youtube-dl package and vlc.
[3:30] <alchemistswl> Isn't youtube capable of HTML5?
[3:31] <Kamilion> DASH will give you about any format you want, one stream for video, one stream for audio.
[3:31] <AndChat|716289> Kamilion: brilliant.I'm SyncYourDogmas if you remember.
[3:31] <alchemistswl> Kamilion: yeah will security wise... SFTP directly over the internet isn't the best thing either... But yeah..
[3:31] <Kamilion> alchemistswl: there is nothing I know more secure than SFTP over the internet.
[3:31] <AndChat|716289> I'll fix nick in a minute
[3:32] <alchemistswl> Kamilion: well in combination with OpenVPN you know.
[3:32] <alchemistswl> That would midly more secure it.
[3:32] <Kamilion> if the SSH session is properly negotiated with a modern cyphersuite
[3:33] <Kamilion> if it's not, well... *shrug* could be pebkac, could be NSA SNOOPY AT WORRRRRRK
[3:33] <Kamilion> not really, both of them use the same crypto primitive libraries.
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[3:33] <Kamilion> more than likely plain' old AES
[3:33] <alchemistswl> Well to be honest, there were talks about security of Linux/Unix based systems vs Windows coming down to NSA snooping. Both are "broken" in the same way. so good luck there buddy
[3:34] <Kamilion> which was a contest winner
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[3:34] <Kamilion> alchemistswl: well, the difference is, they're simply not telling us about anything they find for it to be fixed.
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[3:34] <alchemistswl> Same is with Windows to be quite honest.
[3:34] <Kamilion> to my knowledge, I have not seen anyone identify a specific GIT commit made by a government person to be 'omg this was evil'
[3:35] <Kamilion> and I mean, US government
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[3:35] <alchemistswl> There was alot of drama with SSH-encryption in debian, and don't forget the IPSec stack problem in openBSD...
[3:35] <Kamilion> as for what microsoft does, Eh, who cares, if they really want to know what games I play on steam, there's a lot easier ways than trying to hack my windows.
[3:36] <alchemistswl> Well basically it turned out someone supplied a patch and it wasn't reviewed (properly? by the right people?).. So yep
[3:36] <Kamilion> http://steamcommunity.com/id/kamilion/games/?tab=all
[3:36] <Kamilion> what, openssl and heartbleed?
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[3:36] <alchemistswl> Kamilion: that was another case.
[3:36] <alchemistswl> let me pull that up if I can find it in my history.
[3:36] <Kamilion> That's misattributing malice to stupidity
[3:36] <alchemistswl> https://igurublog.wordpress.com/2014/04/08/julian-assange-debian-is-owned-by-the-nsa/
[3:37] <alchemistswl> Heartbleed was another case. Which is also mentioned...
[3:37] <Kamilion> ... Wow, they must REALLY suck at paying the debian developers I know then
[3:38] <Kamilion> oh, yes, the nice little openssh patch that reduced the keys generated to one of 32768, which were then blacklisted
[3:39] <alchemistswl> Yeah I just try to say that basically whatever you use, you aren't secure anymore in any way. Not like thre is 100% security, but thats activley undermining group / community efforts and also sabotaging companies.. And if they can't break into your PC they break into your house and in the end the cables per say are watched over
[3:39] <alchemistswl> Nice little society we are living in...
[3:40] <Kamilion> well, one of the things snowden noted was that proper AES was still secure.
[3:40] <Berg> leave no info to be found
[3:41] <Kamilion> And as for EC, I'm sceptical with NIST curves
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[3:42] <Kamilion> I'll gladly use openssh with salsa20 and something like Curve1174 or Curve25519
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[3:43] <Kamilion> I also am a strong proponent for scrypt
[3:43] <alchemistswl> 0/10 tobacco is empty.
[3:44] <alchemistswl> Kamilion: We should use one time pad :3
[3:44] <Kamilion> https://pypi.python.org/pypi/scrypt/ -> This is the most important thing: scrypt.error: password is incorrect
[3:44] <Kamilion> there's a checksum inside
[3:44] <Kamilion> so it KNOWS if the password is wrong
[3:45] <Kamilion> I also go real paranoid and set my processing time to be over a second per attempt.
[3:46] <Kamilion> it's also wrapped around the C library provided by the original author.
[3:46] <alchemistswl> This seems like a good idea
[3:48] <Kamilion> it's like a transparent bank vault. You know something valuable is inside, you can see all the mechanics and inner workings, but without the correct secret, and ONLY the correct secret (and it costs you time to try)...
[3:49] <Kamilion> Just because something hasn't been broken yet, however, doesn't mean it cannot or will not.
[3:50] <Kamilion> but I am quite aware of what I'm executing in a way that most people are not trained to be by experience. :)
[3:51] <Kamilion> https://www.crypto101.io/ <--- this might be some help if you intend on going down some crypto adventures yourselves.
[3:51] <Kamilion> It's fun!
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[3:53] <Kamilion> I mean, it would be pretty ironic if Dan Bernstein was actually an NSA operative.
[3:53] <Kamilion> but I really can't see that being the case, lol
[3:54] <Kamilion> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniel_J._Bernstein
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[8:19] <slicepaperwords> hey
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[8:20] <niston> o/
[8:21] <slicepaperwords> if all i want to do is play media from my comp through my tv does the pi do that?
[8:21] <slicepaperwords> 1080?
[8:21] <slicepaperwords> flac?
[8:21] <niston> 1080p only with x264
[8:21] <niston> unless you buy additional codec licenses
[8:22] <slicepaperwords> buy licenses huh? do you know how much they are?
[8:22] <CoJaBo> slicepaperwords: 99.9% of media will play without the codec licenses
[8:23] <slicepaperwords> all im worried about i guess is flac, mp3, mp4, mkv
[8:23] <slicepaperwords> hmm i think thats it
[8:23] <CoJaBo> (and most of the stuff that won't play without them, won't play on the pi regardless)
[8:23] <slicepaperwords> no mac for me
[8:24] <slicepaperwords> and avi
[8:24] <niston> mkv is not a code c
[8:24] <CoJaBo> Those are container formats, not codecs
[8:24] <niston> its just a container format, like AVI
[8:24] <niston> and flac is audio only I thought?
[8:25] <niston> or does FLAC do video these days?
[8:25] <slicepaperwords> i just saw a pi yesterday with an ethernet in and an hdmi out i was hoping for the best, i dont know anything about them
[8:25] <CoJaBo> slicepaperwords: Virtually all MKVs are MP4-family codecs, which usually play fine. Make sure your video memory is set to 128mb for playing HD stuff tho, or it will lockup/blackscreen with a cryptic error
[8:26] <niston> anyway.. have to go to the office today
[8:26] <niston> so talk l8r \o
[8:27] <slicepaperwords> looks like a great product but i think ill just use an old laptop
[8:27] <CoJaBo> The pi blows away my gaming laptop at playing video lol
[8:27] <slicepaperwords> oh yeah?
[8:27] <CoJaBo> No skipping, like, at all
[8:28] <slicepaperwords> im not interested in gaming at all, just didnt want to have a whole comp by my tv and i thought it was a small cheap shortcut
[8:28] <CoJaBo> It plays 1080i without even getting warm; none of my computers can play that at all
[8:29] <slicepaperwords> i only want movies, tv, and music playing through my home system
[8:29] <CoJaBo> (granted, that's a rare format these days, but still)
[8:29] <niston> slicepaperwords: maybe this is for you? http://fiveninjas.com/#slice
[8:31] <CoJaBo> ?
[8:31] <slicepaperwords> looks like apple stuff, dont have any im sorry
[8:32] <NedScott> slicepaperwords: The Raspberry Pi 2 is an awesome media center
[8:32] <CoJaBo> Seems kinda expensive compared to a pi lol
[8:32] <NedScott> I highly recommend it
[8:33] <NedScott> very excellent video quality, cheap price, and features that normally require a much more powerful (and more expensive) mini PC
[8:33] <NedScott> it handles FLAC audio like a champ
[8:34] <slicepaperwords> yeah?
[8:34] <slicepaperwords> im just hoping to save a comp haha dont wanna use it for the tv if i dont have to
[8:35] <CoJaBo> I got mine for $30, can't beat that
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[8:36] <KG5HEU-Preston> well you can use plex media server on a home computer and install raspplex onto the pi and set it up to run off of your media and have your pi connected to the TV
[8:39] <NedScott> KG5HEU-Preston: that's horrible, why would you use plex media server?
[8:39] <NedScott> SMB shares work fine
[8:39] <NedScott> :)
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[8:39] <KG5HEU-Preston> NedScott: because it works
[8:40] <NedScott> that's needlessly complicated to get video to the Pi
[8:40] <KG5HEU-Preston> and i also run pure linux on all computers in the house
[8:40] <NedScott> so you run SAMBA or NFS
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[8:41] <KG5HEU-Preston> i also know that plex works out of the box for me as long as i got the correct internet connection and configured correctly
[8:41] <KG5HEU-Preston> i can also play it using my cell phone when away from the house as well
[8:42] <NedScott> yes, if you want to do multi client or remote transcoding, Plex is awesome
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[8:42] <NedScott> but for a Raspberry Pi media center, an entire plex server is not really needed unless you are expanding on an existing plex set up
[8:43] <KG5HEU-Preston> i already have plex setup on my laptop that stays on 24 hours a day
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[9:02] <ThinkingofPython> shiftplusone You around?
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[9:03] <ThinkingofPython> https://www.raspberrypi.org/education-fund/ The CEO message is now removed from that (my little checker program told me). don't know if that's a good or bad thing lol
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[9:04] <ThinkingofPython> and it's removed from the main site as well (no link to it anymore on home page)
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[9:45] <ICantCook> Hi all, I'm trying to get my raspberry pi _not_ to enter blank screen mode
[9:45] <ICantCook> I have tried the following: http://pastebin.com/YcHCwT3F
[9:45] <ICantCook> but it's not happening
[9:46] <ICantCook> It's running raspbian, with openbox
[9:46] <CoJaBo> ICantCook: pastie.org
[9:47] <ali1234> https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=91&t=57552
[9:47] <ICantCook> CoJaBo: moved to pastie.org. http://pastie.org/10330840
[9:47] <ICantCook> CoJaBo: why? isn't pastebin the original?
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[9:48] * ShorTie wonders if he set "BlankTime" to 0 in /etc/X11/xorg.conf .. :/~
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[9:48] <ICantCook> ali1234: thanks, will read
[9:49] <CoJaBo> ICantCook: Pastebin.com doesn't always load
[9:49] <ICantCook> ShorTie: I don't have a /etc/X11/xorg.conf file
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[9:53] <ICantCook> /etc/kbd/config POWERDOWN_TIME= was set to 30. I'll try setting it to 0
[9:53] <ICantCook> thanks guys
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[11:55] <Nindustries> HI, anyone using a Rpi2 as a standard server at home? The 1GB memory is a bit tiny :/
[11:56] <SyncYourDogmas> I am going to
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[12:07] <BigPi> What do you mean by "standard" server? Plenty of web servers run on 1GB just fine, it's plenty for lots of applications.
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[12:13] <Nindustries> heh, I'm running on 3GB right now with SAbnzbd, sickrag,couchpotato
[12:15] <BigPi> ah like a HTPC setup, fair enough that might be a bit tight with 1GB. Although the very first thing I did with my model B was get XBMC running. It didn't run great, but it worked just about.
[12:16] <Nindustries> yah, openelec on my pi2 works flawlessly
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[12:35] <Nindustries> docker on pi looks awesome, but with the 1GB memory
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[14:27] <Coffe> Hi
[14:27] <Coffe> got a brand new rpi2 .. first boot.. nothing happens.. both red and green LED are on.. nothing else.
[14:28] <fluffet> hm, are you sure your sd card works?
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[14:32] <t3chguy> and that you formatted it correctly and put a distro or image onto it
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[16:03] <ascheel> Do the ethernet port and usb ports in the Pi 2 share bandwidth?
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[16:04] <shiftplusone> ascheel: yes
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[16:04] <ascheel> Thank you.
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[16:04] <shiftplusone> np
[16:06] <Bilby> it's easiest of you think of the network card as a built-in USB device
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[16:06] <shiftplusone> which is exactly what it is
[16:06] <ascheel> I was wondering if that's how it was done. Is it in fact a USB device or do they both limited by a common 'parent'?
[16:06] <ascheel> s/do/are
[16:08] <Bilby> It is in fact a usb device- tightly integrated, but it runs on the USB buss
[16:08] <shiftplusone> The pi's SoC has a single USB port
[16:08] <Bilby> ^
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[16:08] <Bilby> so the RasPi foundation integrated a USB hub and (on B pis) a USB network device
[16:08] <shiftplusone> That it connected to a usb hub + NIC chip and out to the usb ports on the pi itself.
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[16:09] <Bilby> this differs from other SBC that feature gigabit ethernet, which use separate dedicated busses from the SoC
[16:09] * Bilby wouldn't mind seeing a Raspberry Pi ++ that features such nicities, even at a higher price point
[16:10] <shiftplusone> Bilby: why? there are already dozens of more expensive pi-like boards competing on specs.
[16:10] <Bilby> shiftplusone because i really like the community support and build quality of the pi
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[16:11] <shiftplusone> Yeah, I was just going to say that those boards aren't particularly interesting for the exact reasons you gave, so fair enough.
[16:11] <shiftplusone> + the charity aspects of the foundation. I don't see bpi going onto the ISS or anything
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[16:12] <shiftplusone> But still, I think it would be plunging the pi into a saturated market and competing on specs won't work.
[16:12] <Bilby> even a more 'spensive Pi would be nice if the specs are the same but upgraded
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[16:12] <Bilby> i could develop on the nice board and roll out to the less expensive ones
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[16:13] <shiftplusone> I think the biggest hurdle there is sourcing an adequate, but cheap SoC.
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[16:13] <Bilby> true
[16:14] <Bilby> iirc the hurdle before iirc was the ARMv6 instruction set, but that's been solved
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[16:36] <niston> still wish it had USB 3.0 :P
[16:36] <niston> seeing as how USB is the main "bus" of a Rpi system
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[16:37] <Bilby> that would be nice, if for no other reason than it would clear up the bottleneck of USB
[16:37] <niston> yeah
[16:37] <niston> like from VESA local bus to PCI :P
[16:38] <Bilby> haha
[16:38] <SpeedEvil> It wouldn't even be so bad if there was >1 root host
[16:38] <SpeedEvil> the chip supports two
[16:38] <niston> SpeedEvil: really?
[16:38] <niston> but the other bus is not brought outside?
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[16:40] <niston> ah, it works!
[16:40] <niston> just upgraded my work laptop wif an SSD
[16:41] <niston> didn't trust the samsung disk duplicator that came with it, but yeah it works
[16:41] <Bilby> nice. I'm fighting with some micro desktops, want to upgrade them to SSD before i roll them out but none of my drive imaging methods are working :(
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[16:42] <niston> haha the thing flies
[16:42] <Bilby> oh yeah
[16:42] <niston> no idea why they didn't order it with an SSD in the first place
[16:42] <Bilby> #1 improvement to perceived speed in a consumer system
[16:42] <Bilby> righ!
[16:42] <Bilby> *right!
[16:42] <niston> the guy mumbled something about it not being available yet (its a brand new G2 elitebook)
[16:43] <Bilby> I can spec all sorts of systems with different size drives and amounts of ram, but to get a shipped system with SSD takes a premium box
[16:43] <niston> the older G1 ones we have do all have SSD though
[16:43] <niston> next thing I'll complain to the boss about will be the 8 gig ram :P
[16:44] * niston wants double!
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[16:44] <niston> I saw there's an empty dimm slot when I added the SSD
[16:44] <Bilby> haha
[16:45] <niston> Bilby, I also added an SSD to my EeePC last year
[16:45] <Bilby> 8 gigs is enough for most people, wich means you're starving :P
[16:45] <niston> but it didnt help
[16:45] <niston> thing is crawling slow
[16:45] <niston> wish there was an IRC client for DOS that features a nice GUI
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[16:45] <niston> I'd run DOS on it then
[16:46] <Bilby> I was looking at building a new toy, salivating at mobos that support 128GB ram
[16:46] <niston> heh
[16:46] <Bilby> but then i priced how much that would cost just for the ram
[16:46] <niston> dang, the cluster I built 2 years ago has 256GB
[16:46] <niston> divided among 4 servers!
[16:46] <SpeedEvil> niston: yes
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[16:46] <Bilby> desktop, not server :) you can get servers with 2 or 3 terabytes now :D
[16:47] <Bilby> mostly VM clusters but still
[16:47] <niston> actually, its 8 servers
[16:47] <niston> 4 per site
[16:47] <niston> 32 gig per server
[16:47] <niston> SpeedEvil: that seems odd
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[16:47] <niston> why didn't they hook up the ethernet to the 2nd root hub?
[16:47] <SpeedEvil> Quite
[16:48] <SpeedEvil> Because the chip they used for the hub doesn;'t support that
[16:48] <SpeedEvil> Also
[16:48] <Bilby> I was going to say cost considerations
[16:48] <Bilby> remember, computer cheaper than two large pizzas :D
[16:48] <SpeedEvil> it is a reasonable question why they diddn't put the MAC in hardware
[16:48] <niston> the USB/Lan chip doesnt support what?
[16:48] <SpeedEvil> that might actually end up cheaper
[16:48] <SpeedEvil> niston: There is a USB/lan/hub chip
[16:48] <niston> yeah
[16:48] <SpeedEvil> it supports one USB in, not two
[16:49] <niston> yeah
[16:49] <niston> I see now
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[16:49] <niston> I qwas thinking why didn't they put a dedicated LAN chip on a dedicated USB root hub :P
[16:49] <niston> but yeah I guess... cost
[16:49] <niston> wondering why there's no 2nd USB line on the CM though
[16:49] <niston> if the SoC supports it
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[16:50] <Tenkawa> hi all
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[16:52] <Bilby> o/
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[16:55] <niston> hehe
[16:55] <niston> boss just apologized to me because it took 3 weeks to have the SSD installed ^^
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[16:57] <Bilby> damn
[16:57] <Bilby> where do i fill out an application?
[16:57] <niston> hehe
[16:57] <niston> I swear this is the best employer I ever had so far
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[16:57] <Tenkawa> Bilby: how about the last 2 days weather eh?
[16:57] <niston> I get to make my own schedule, work from home whenever I like, get all the gear I request
[16:57] <Bilby> yesterday was pretty reasonable
[16:57] <Tenkawa> crazy isnt it?
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[16:58] <Bilby> no knowledge about monday, i never left the house <_<
[16:58] <Tenkawa> ahhh
[16:58] <Tenkawa> the raining during bright sun was funky
[16:58] <Bilby> I'm down with whatever isn't monsoon season or surface of the sun hot
[16:58] <Tenkawa> last night was awesome temps though
[16:58] <Bilby> ah yes
[16:58] <Bilby> seen that a few times this year lol
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[16:59] <Tenkawa> windows and fan felt great finally
[16:59] <Tenkawa> today's not been too bad so far either
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[17:01] <Tenkawa> Bilby: hey you been seeing those slingshot trikes around town yet?
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[17:01] <Bilby> yeah, a few
[17:01] <Tenkawa> those are intriguing
[17:01] <Bilby> saw one almost oversteer into a ditch lol
[17:02] <Bilby> reverse trike motorcycle style = cool
[17:02] <Bilby> reverse trike solo = cool
[17:02] <Tenkawa> not sure I'd want to be in one on our streets
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[17:02] <Bilby> side by side seating? wide looking rear-light expensive toy
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[17:02] <Tenkawa> with the way just getting around them normally takes
[17:02] <Tenkawa> haahaa
[17:03] <Tenkawa> yeah i didnt realize till this weekend there was a dealer at polaris
[17:03] <Tenkawa> wondered why they just started popping up eveywhere
[17:03] <Bilby> ah, makes sense
[17:03] <Bilby> rich people and their toys *eyeroll*
[17:04] <Bilby> at least with something like a Can-Am Spyder you can ride it like a motorcycle
[17:04] <Tenkawa> they are quite pricy for sure
[17:04] * Bilby would throw down for an Ariel Atom if he could afford it
[17:04] <Tenkawa> 21k +
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[17:04] <Bilby> but even then... i'd probably be taking a good hard look at other cars too
[17:04] <Tenkawa> heheheh
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[17:05] <Tenkawa> I'd be happy with something with shocks that could take the sad shape of our roads without constantly shaking me into submission
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[17:07] <Bilby> Would probably rather have either a built Miata or an S2200 or one of those kit cars based on a miata suspension / running gear
[17:07] <Tenkawa> nice
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[17:10] <Bilby> Or this: https://www.flyinmiata.com/V8/turnkey.php 430 horsepower in a 2300 LB car
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[17:10] <Tenkawa> wow
[17:10] <traeak> miata is midget car :-p
[17:11] <Armand> Love the MX-5.. Real driver's car. :)
[17:11] <traeak> like a porsche
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[17:11] <traeak> i barely fit into either of them...barely
[17:12] <Armand> Ahh.. An American.
[17:12] <traeak> since i'm old i have a 2014 kia soul
[17:12] <niston> ah
[17:12] <niston> Miata == Mazda
[17:12] <traeak> mostly first generation though
[17:12] <niston> man that looks sick
[17:12] <traeak> mother is german
[17:12] <niston> japanese car with a chevy engine in it :P
[17:12] <Armand> What?!?
[17:12] <traeak> father's family from minnesota so i'm mixed german and scandanavian 6'2
[17:13] <traeak> theyr'e mini cars :-p
[17:13] <traeak> regardless
[17:13] <traeak> i wish they sold diesel kia souls here in the US
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[17:14] <traeak> ugh wpa_supplicant fun
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[17:14] <traeak> at least the TV i have at work doesn't have horrific overscan
[17:14] <Armand> niston: By the "chevy engine", I take it you mean that mod?
[17:14] <Bilby> I wish I could fit in a miata :(
[17:15] <Bilby> but i experience significant knee-steering wheel interaction
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[17:15] <Armand> I'm 5'8", so an MX-5 is easy. :)
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[17:16] <Bilby> I wish :(
[17:16] <sockofleas> how long is it supposed to take to load minecraft on the pi?
[17:16] <Armand> Never
[17:17] <Armand> Sorry, standard retort to "minecraft" :P
[17:17] <xenkey> Hi
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[17:17] <sockofleas> ok?
[17:17] <xenkey> All the lights on my Pi turn off when doing some CPU intensive transcoding
[17:18] <t3chguy> that means your power supply is too weak
[17:18] <t3chguy> the red LED flashing/going off means its being under volted
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[17:18] <traeak> red always supposed to be on ?
[17:18] <t3chguy> under voltage happens when your wire is too thin, too long, power supply too weak, or unreliable
[17:18] <t3chguy> yes, Red should always be on and green can flash
[17:18] <traeak> oops
[17:18] <traeak> right now using a samsung phone charger
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[17:19] <traeak> but i have an external usb speaker hooked up
[17:19] <Bilby> sockofleas, I'd imagine it depends on the file size and how much processing is required. Are you compiling on the pi?
[17:19] <t3chguy> phone charger provides probably an Amp
[17:19] <t3chguy> the USB Speaker might be a bit much of a draw for it
[17:19] <xenkey> Hmm
[17:19] <sockofleas> Bilby: what do you mean?
[17:19] <traeak> unplugged it and still no lights
[17:19] <xenkey> t3chguy: What voltage do I need?
[17:19] <traeak> i just have a keyboard and tenda wireless-n dongle
[17:19] <xenkey> Still 3.7 right?
[17:20] <traeak> and hdmi for now
[17:20] <t3chguy> 5V
[17:20] <xenkey> Uh
[17:20] <t3chguy> USB is always 5V
[17:20] <t3chguy> USB Devices work +/- 5% of 5V
[17:20] <SpeedEvil> Nominally
[17:20] <xenkey> Mine's 3.7
[17:20] <t3chguy> so 4.75V-5.25V
[17:20] <xenkey> Is there a cli way to check the voltage?
[17:20] <t3chguy> the Pi itself in theory can run on about 3.7
[17:20] <t3chguy> nope xenkey
[17:20] <SpeedEvil> t3chguy: dx has a 5V-6V USB booster
[17:20] <SpeedEvil> xenkey: no
[17:20] <t3chguy> there are test-points
[17:20] <Armand> My regulator outputs 5.25v just to compensate for the smoothing. :/
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[17:20] <xenkey> Can I check the output voltage of my usb ports?
[17:21] <traeak> the samsung official charger is 2 amps it seems
[17:21] <t3chguy> xenkey: with a USB Charge Doctor or a Multimeter, sure
[17:21] <xenkey> I'm running the Pi from a netbook
[17:21] <Bilby> sockofleas: are you compiling source code or downloading pre-compiled binaries
[17:21] <t3chguy> a netbook only probably provides very little Current
[17:21] <t3chguy> since computers are normally limited to around 200mA
[17:21] <t3chguy> Samsung phone chargers I think vary between 1-2A
[17:21] <traeak> are usb3 ports limited to that though ?
[17:21] <t3chguy> but their tablet chargers are definitely 2A
[17:21] <t3chguy> traeak: they are limited to 800mA
[17:21] <traeak> charger i got with my galaxy s4
[17:22] <Tenkawa> bbl
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[17:22] <xenkey> Hmm
[17:22] <t3chguy> xenkey: USB 3 is definitely not 3.7 V
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[17:22] <t3chguy> oh wait
[17:22] <t3chguy> that was traeak
[17:22] <traeak> guess next step i'll use my old nokia n900 wall wart charger then
[17:22] <xenkey> I sure as hell don't have USB 3 on this
[17:22] <t3chguy> what are you powering yours with and through what input xenkey
[17:22] <t3chguy> traeak: it has a detachable USB Cable, right?
[17:23] <traeak> sorry i tried to hijack....i'm not seeing red on my currently running pi
[17:23] <traeak> t3chguy: no it doesn't
[17:23] <t3chguy> ah right
[17:23] <xenkey> The one at the side with the lightning icon...
[17:23] <t3chguy> sometimes its the cable itself that has a large drop
[17:23] <sockofleas> Bilby: i have no idea. minecraft is preinstalled on the latest raspbian and all i did was click the button to open it
[17:23] <Bilby> Ah, it would be binaries now
[17:23] <Bilby> *then
[17:23] <xenkey> The cable is about 4 inches if that makes a difference
[17:23] <traeak> t3chguy: the nokia charger doesn't...the samsung just provides a usb port sry
[17:23] <t3chguy> traeak: getting a higher AWG cable can make better use of a power supply
[17:24] <Armand> traeak: I intend on buying a Mk2 MX-5 someday, as a project car.
[17:24] <t3chguy> xenkey: that should have very little voltage drop since its so short then
[17:24] <traeak> i confuzed myself...the nokia n900 charger is different i have too many damn phones lying around
[17:24] <t3chguy> xenkey: what is on the other end of the USB Cable?
[17:24] <t3chguy> Pi on one end, whats on the A end
[17:24] <traeak> t3chguy: i have athicker than normal cable but no idea if the copper itself is thicker
[17:25] <t3chguy> traeak: I ordered a 20AWG cable and its a pile of shit, the shorter the better as it won't drop as much
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[17:25] <xenkey> t3chguy: The pi :)
[17:25] <t3chguy> xenkey: you're powering a Pi with another Pi..?
[17:25] <xenkey> Uh
[17:25] <niston> https://www.flyinmiata.com/catfish/images/small/fm_catfish_092014-3.jpg
[17:25] <niston> pretty slick
[17:25] <traeak> so usb3 even isn't going to cut it
[17:25] <xenkey> Well I have the netbook on one end and the pi on the other
[17:25] <hinv> me likes
[17:25] <sockofleas> so then why is it taking so long Bilby
[17:25] <traeak> what about a yellow charging port?
[17:25] <t3chguy> ah so netbook also
[17:26] <hinv> what is it?
[17:26] <t3chguy> traeak: USB only has 3 official colours
[17:26] <xenkey> The red light is completely off now
[17:26] <t3chguy> Blue, Red, Anything Else
[17:26] <hinv> niston what is that car?
[17:26] <xenkey> Is this causing any harm?
[17:26] * Bilby notes that over the wattage and length of cable involved, wire gauge is negligable
[17:26] <hinv> a modified miata?
[17:26] <t3chguy> xenkey: it being turned off can make it unstable, but theoretically causes no damage
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[17:26] <t3chguy> so if it crashes or restarts thats due to too little power
[17:26] <xenkey> Alright
[17:26] <traeak> t3chguy: some laptops, like my stinkpads have yellow ports that indicate charging they can still operate when the notebook is turned off
[17:26] <t3chguy> and your netbook will definitely output, or try to, 5V over USB
[17:26] <Affix> added GetState support to golang GPO :) https://github.com/aqua/raspberrypi/pull/1
[17:27] <t3chguy> traeak: fair enough, read the manual to see its max output current
[17:27] <xenkey> If I can't measure the voltage from the pi how does it know there's not enough?
[17:27] <t3chguy> because the regulator starts failing
[17:27] <t3chguy> the Red LED is powered by the 3.3 Regulator
[17:27] <t3chguy> and it only trips at full 3.3V
[17:27] <t3chguy> so if the regulator isn't outputting full 3.3V then the Red LED flickers/goes off
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[17:28] <traeak> seems the yellow port isn't anything special other than it's powered when the machine is off
[17:28] <sockofleas> so then why is it taking so long Bilby
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[17:29] <Bilby> sockofleas, no idea, never played with it
[17:29] <traeak> so basically i'm stuck needing to get a 2amp wall wart
[17:30] <Bilby> is there a progress bar or anything to indicate it's not frozen or crashed?
[17:30] <traeak> or at least one that maintains a red light when powered
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[17:30] <Bilby> @ traeak some of the "for raspberry pi" supplies online are reasonable
[17:30] <sockofleas> not that I'm aware of
[17:30] <t3chguy> traeak: what's plugged into your Pi
[17:30] <t3chguy> mine currently uses 0.455A lol
[17:31] <traeak> t3chguy: at the moment just a usb keyboard and a wireless-n dongle
[17:31] <SpeedEvil> http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B00PK1IIJY?&th=1 for pi
[17:31] <traeak> keyboard isn't necessary though
[17:31] <t3chguy> traeak: is the keyboard fancy with LEDs and such?
[17:31] <t3chguy> (mine is, and it can draw up to 400mA itself xD)
[17:31] <SpeedEvil> Overkill, what do you mean overkill?
[17:31] <traeak> t3chguy: nah just some POS recovery kb i keep at the office
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[17:31] <t3chguy> traeak: do you have a multimeter handy?
[17:31] <t3chguy> there are test points which would tell you voltage before and after the polyfuse
[17:31] <t3chguy> your polyfuse could have a severe voltage drop across it
[17:32] <traeak> t3chguy: not at the office
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[17:32] <t3chguy> fair enough
[17:32] <t3chguy> just get a multimeter when you can and test it out
[17:32] <traeak> got this rpi2 a couple weeks ago
[17:32] <t3chguy> so you know whats causing it for sure
[17:32] <t3chguy> I got mine a week ago :P
[17:32] <traeak> i was camping last week :-p
[17:33] <t3chguy> I feel as though I'm contributing to the community pretty well haha
[17:33] <t3chguy> already won £100 from Pimonori, how lucky do I get within my first week of owning a Pi
[17:33] <traeak> saw it on sale for 30usd at microcenter so just grabbed one
[17:33] <traeak> pimonori ?
[17:33] <Bilby> sockofleas, might try killing the minecraft processing and restarting or rebooting pi
[17:33] <t3chguy> Pimonori is the company behind a lot of Pi 3rd party stuff like the PiBow, and a lot of Pi HATs
[17:34] <t3chguy> they also do Arduinos and Flotilla's and stuff like that
[17:34] <t3chguy> £100 -> $160
[17:34] <sockofleas> Bilby: ok
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[17:34] <t3chguy> s/pimonori/pimoroni/
[17:34] <t3chguy> I always get the name wrong
[17:34] <t3chguy> http://pimoroni.com/
[17:34] <Bilby> I want more pun-based peripheral names
[17:34] <Bilby> someone give me a Pip device for the Raspberry Pi
[17:35] <traeak> wireless n dongle may well be the culprit
[17:35] <t3chguy> traeak: https://twitter.com/7t3chguy/status/628699882111541249
[17:35] <t3chguy> I doubt it takes much current
[17:35] <t3chguy> but you can always just unplug it and see
[17:36] <traeak> it hasn't been unstable so far though
[17:36] <traeak> the rpi2 i mean
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[17:36] <t3chguy> the Pi itself needs very little current and voltage
[17:36] <t3chguy> its mostly that USB peripherals might become unstable
[17:37] <traeak> sd card too perhaps?
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[17:37] <t3chguy> doubtful
[17:38] <t3chguy> those are very low current devices
[17:38] <sockofleas> Bilby: alright, just opened it again
[17:38] <t3chguy> traeak: I think the spec states a maximum of 80mA
[17:38] <traeak> the wireless dongle claims it can hog up to 450mA
[17:39] <traeak> should i believe what lsusb tells me? prolly not
[17:39] <t3chguy> well that does sound painful
[17:39] <t3chguy> oh lsusb no
[17:39] <t3chguy> thats just how much that usb port can provide
[17:39] <t3chguy> got the make+model of the dongle?
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[17:39] <traeak> i think it also says how much the device might request
[17:39] <traeak> tenda w311u
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[17:41] <traeak> not w311u+ just the plain one without antenna
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[17:42] <t3chguy> Power Rating: N/A
[17:42] <t3chguy> how bloody useful
[17:42] <t3chguy> http://www.intelek.cz/db/repository.nsf/v/F556FEFBA6D52A24C12576C6003761AC/$file/Datasheet_Tenda_wireless-N_USB_adapter_W311U.pdf
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[17:46] <traeak> okay i dug up a powered usb2 hub i bought back when the original rpi was released
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[17:46] <traeak> went into that and plugged everything into that and now the light is red
[17:47] <traeak> and now my other desk is a total mess of wires
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[17:48] <traeak> now i need ot add a usb midi keyboard
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[17:49] <traeak> my little "rpi kit" is growing too much
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[17:50] <t3chguy> lol
[17:51] <t3chguy> I might get PoE and then just need to run one cable to my Pi :P
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[17:57] <Bilby> That Pi PoE splitter that was on indiegogo did not excite me
[17:57] <t3chguy> lol
[17:58] <t3chguy> traeak: you might now be back-powering your Pi, which is dangerous
[17:58] <t3chguy> some cheap USB Hubs don't have built in back-current protection
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[17:59] <t3chguy> to test, poweroff the Pi, and unplug only the MicroUSB, make sure the Hub stays powered, if your Pi's Red LED is still on then you're providing back-power which doesn't go through the power protection circuitry
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[17:59] <Bilby> back power through the USB-A ports?
[17:59] <Bilby> I didn't think that was possible
[17:59] <t3chguy> it is
[18:00] <Bilby> :O :|
[18:00] <t3chguy> its harder to do on the Pi 2
[18:00] <t3chguy> since it can only be back-powered after-boot
[18:00] <niston> hahah check this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5L2g_RzDZQE
[18:00] <Bilby> maybe clip the power leads on the Pi -> Hub lead if you're going to use a hub for power + data
[18:00] <t3chguy> actually
[18:00] <t3chguy> my testing method won't work then
[18:00] <t3chguy> Bilby: only clip Vcc
[18:00] <t3chguy> clipping GND would not be good
[18:00] <Bilby> oh rite, true
[18:01] <t3chguy> but yeah that is recommended
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[18:01] <Bilby> niston i want an endless looping gif of that
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[18:12] <niston> quite amazing, isn't it
[18:16] <Bilby> It still looks like it's moving more efficiently than a standard US mega-intersection
[18:17] <sockofleas> how do i change the clock on the raspberry pi
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[18:20] <sockofleas> nvm
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[18:24] <ThinkingofPython> I wonder what's up with the Education fund for Pi
[18:24] <ThinkingofPython> It's not linked on their site anymore
[18:24] <ThinkingofPython> and the message on the actual page for it, now omits the part about waiting for a new CEO and such
[18:24] <ThinkingofPython> Why change but not update users D:
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[18:38] <traeak> t3chguy: the light definitely turns off on the rpi2 not sure if that means there's not back powering
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[18:39] <t3chguy> my test won't work for the pi2
[18:39] <t3chguy> the only way to test is to unplug microusb while the hub is connected and the pi is alive
[18:39] <traeak> for back powering you mean?
[18:40] <t3chguy> yeah the rpi2 can only be backpowered after-boot
[18:40] <traeak> i did a sudo poweroff
[18:40] <traeak> then pulled the micro
[18:40] <traeak> that should be sufficient right?
[18:40] <t3chguy> yeah that won't work on a Pi2
[18:40] <traeak> so have to kill it while initialized?
[18:40] <t3chguy> the only way to test backpower (without multimeter and tools) is to pull micro whilst its running
[18:40] <t3chguy> which has a low chance of causing some fs corruption
[18:40] <t3chguy> I'm not saying I recommend it, but it should be harmless
[18:41] <t3chguy> and if you're backpowering then it won't even switch off
[18:41] <traeak> i've killt power on it enough times already while running
[18:41] <t3chguy> lol
[18:41] <traeak> pulling the micro shut off the light so the hub should be fine
[18:41] <t3chguy> it shut off the light?
[18:41] <t3chguy> did it shut down your pi?
[18:41] <t3chguy> then it sounds like it is
[18:41] <t3chguy> and that that dongle was just drawing too much
[18:41] <traeak> it shut down the pi yeah
[18:42] <traeak> dongle drawing too much/wart not supplying enuff
[18:42] <t3chguy> yeah either
[18:42] <t3chguy> or your polyfuse dissipating too much
[18:42] <traeak> hmm
[18:42] <traeak> if that's true the nthe polyfuse is a problem
[18:42] <traeak> how likely is that on the rpi2?
[18:43] <traeak> in the future i was hoping to "deploy" the rpi2 with a usb/audio adapter and a usb midi keyboard
[18:43] <t3chguy> polyfuses get less efficient the more they break
[18:43] <traeak> for general use the keyboard would be self powered
[18:43] <traeak> my test one is usb powered
[18:43] <t3chguy> break as in trip due to too much power
[18:43] <traeak> so shouldn't be an issue long term
[18:43] <t3chguy> best measuring the test points to see the drop across the polyfuse so you know for sure
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[18:44] <traeak> i have the good DMM at home
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[18:51] <ThinkingofPython> D:
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[18:51] <KG5HEU-Preston> does anybody know of a good program to teach a noob to learn python
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[18:52] <t3chguy> iPython
[18:53] <shiftplusone> KG5HEU-Preston: a text editor of your choice and a web browser. http://learnpythonthehardway.org/ https://www.codecademy.com/tracks/python
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[18:55] <traeak> should be online python interpreter stuffz i woudl gather
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[20:20] <HD|Laptop> Hi all
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[20:20] <HD|Laptop> So I have that other board with a SPI flash chip, and I want to r/w to it using my rpi
[20:20] <KG5HEU-Preston> hello HD|Laptop
[20:21] <HD|Laptop> The problem is I dont know if the CPU of the other board is always clocking SCLK signal
[20:21] <_bazhang_> /join #chan
[20:21] <_bazhang_> oops the space
[20:21] <HD|Laptop> and I dont have a scope or logic analyzer, how can I find out on the Pi itself if there's a signal on SCLK?
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[20:24] <Gathis> cheap multimeters often have frequency measurement .. it's not a GOOD diagnostic.. there may be some clock signal whatever
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[20:25] <Gathis> hm, yeh, read your earlier line, a problem
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[20:30] <Stmeter> Is it possible to control my garage door with RF? I know that it uses rolling codes, although my garage door has an option to "sync" a new remote to the door. Anyone know about this?
[20:33] <Gathis> is it not already RF controlled?
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[20:35] <Stmeter> Gathis: It is, but I can't use my phone ;)
[20:36] <t3chguy> Stmeter: does your phone have a software defined radio or a controllable tx in the correct frequency band?
[20:36] <Gathis> bbl
[20:37] <Stmeter> t3chguy: Nope, but that's why I have the pi.
[20:37] <t3chguy> so you want Phone -(something)> Pi -(RF)> Garage Door?
[20:38] <Stmeter> I'm not worried about the phone portion of it for now because that's something I can do very easily. Right now just, Pi(RF)-> Garage Door
[20:38] <Stmeter> the only tutorials I see online are with a hard-wire. none mention using RF with a rolling code sync
[20:39] <t3chguy> Do you have an RF Transmitter that can transmit in the Garage Door's Range and is Pi-friendly?
[20:39] <t3chguy> s/Range/Frequency Range/
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[20:39] <Stmeter> The door is 315MHz and I can pick one up on amazon no problem. I was just hesitant to if it's not possible.
[20:40] <t3chguy> Well you could do with a Receiver for that band too
[20:40] <t3chguy> so you can find out the packets that your remote actually sends
[20:40] <Stmeter> Yeah they come in a pack. transmitter/receiver
[20:41] <t3chguy> then as long as there's no encryption/replay attack prevention in the Garage Door it'll be fine
[20:41] <t3chguy> if there is such a thing then look at some datasheets for your garage door to see if they have an explanation of the signal the remote sends
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[20:42] <Stmeter> I wonder why no one has done it.
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[20:43] <t3chguy> Why would you need Pi control of a Garage door..?
[20:43] <t3chguy> the easiest way would be attaching one of the remotes to the Pi
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[20:44] <Stmeter> t3chguy: new garage door only came with one remote.
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[21:32] <Encrypt> Hi o/
[21:32] <Encrypt> Do you know who did the eink weather station with a Raspberry Pi here?
[21:32] <Encrypt> I was impressed but I don't remember who did that
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[21:45] <SpeedEvil> https://spritesmods.com/?art=einkdisplay
[21:45] <SpeedEvil> sprite_tm is not in this chnnel
[21:45] <SpeedEvil> oh
[21:45] <SpeedEvil> oops
[21:45] <SpeedEvil> nvm
[21:45] <SpeedEvil> may be informative though
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[21:49] <ali1234> SpeedEvil: i haven't seen sprite_tm on irc for years
[21:49] <ali1234> and he was never very talkative anyway :)
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[21:58] <Bilby> blech
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[21:58] <Encrypt> SpeedEvil, I think it was a coloured eink display
[21:58] <Encrypt> I'm not sure though
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[21:59] <Bilby> Encrypt uuh... was it GenteelBen? I think maybe...
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[22:03] <Encrypt> Bilby, I do'nt remember :/
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[23:11] <Nixola> hi, I'm trying to get wayland working on my rpi2 with Raspbian, can anyone help?
[23:11] <Bilby> wayland?
[23:11] <Nixola> yes, a display server/manager (I'm so unsure of the wording)
[23:12] <Bilby> ah
[23:12] <t3chguy> Window Manager
[23:12] <Nixola> thanks
[23:12] <Bilby> OH
[23:12] <t3chguy> apt-get install wayland?
[23:12] <Bilby> I was thinking something to drive CCD or LED matrix billboards <_<
[23:12] <Nixola> it's actually running right now, I'm writing from it
[23:13] <t3chguy> actually
[23:13] <t3chguy> apt-get install xwayland
[23:13] <Nixola> but no browsers work and the display/window/output/whatever goes outside the screen borders
[23:13] <Gadgetoid> Anyone picked up a Piano HAT yet? :D
[23:13] <t3chguy> hey Gadgetoid
[23:13] <t3chguy> your Makefile fix worked on Raspbian
[23:13] <Nixola> t3chguy: apparently that package does not exist
[23:13] <Gadgetoid> Ahoy t3chguy!
[23:13] <t3chguy> Nixola: https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=wayland
[23:14] <Nixola> that would be neat if I had a working browser
[23:14] <t3chguy> Gadgetoid: if I was at all Musical I'd have picked up a Piano HAT with my Piece of Great win :P
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[23:14] <Gadgetoid> t3chguy: Haha, what are you planning to get ( or what have you got? )
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[23:14] <t3chguy> order arriving tomorrow, Arduino Due, some RPi merch and the Gigabit Switch
[23:15] <Gadgetoid> Due is nice, can output some seriously good VGA
[23:16] <t3chguy> o_O Really xD?
[23:16] <Gadgetoid> Yeah, give this a look: https://stimmer.github.io/DueVGA/
[23:16] <Gadgetoid> I blogged it a while back too: http://pi.gadgetoid.com/article/arduino-due-vga-output
[23:16] <t3chguy> Gadgetoid: what's the full message that I've got a bit of on my piece of great?
[23:16] <Gadgetoid> I don't actually know, I never saw them all together!
[23:16] <t3chguy> haha
[23:17] <t3chguy> I've N-THE-N(A)
[23:17] <Gadgetoid> Mistook them for more pizza
[23:17] <t3chguy> the A is a likely, I've only got a portion
[23:17] <t3chguy> hahahaha
[23:17] <Gadgetoid> Guess it reads "Haha you got kicked in the nuts" then?
[23:17] <t3chguy> xD
[23:18] <Gadgetoid> Why that was the first thing that came to my mind, I don't know..
[23:18] <t3chguy> Barely got my Pi, first Pi purchase since getting the Pi, couldn't have been luckier to get it
[23:18] <t3chguy> to be fair, I didn't notice it until hours later, I almost threw it away xD
[23:18] <Gadgetoid> You need to seek out the other winners, and when the pieces of 8 are aligned.. you will combine to become CAPTAIN PIRATE! A drunk and disorderly elderly man who insists on dressing like a pirate
[23:18] <t3chguy> hahaha
[23:18] <t3chguy> I've done my bit, Tweeted, and been Retweeted
[23:18] <t3chguy> hopefully the other winners will do the same
[23:19] <t3chguy> the Due being able to output that is pretty awesome, not that I would ever use it, but its a very cool capability
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[23:20] <Gadgetoid> It's a hell of a micro
[23:20] <t3chguy> Can't wait to have a play, hopefully will find the time to tomorrow
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[23:20] <Gadgetoid> Haven't touched mine for a long time, sadly, too many other responsibilities
[23:20] <t3chguy> I'm sat mesmerized staring at matrix.py running on the Unicorn xD
[23:20] <Gadgetoid> Got quite stuck into the Propeller chip though
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[23:22] <t3chguy> Gadgetoid: are the chips given out in order if you know?
[23:22] <t3chguy> I'm #7, does that mean there's only 1 left?
[23:22] <t3chguy> or did you start from #0 xD
[23:22] <Gadgetoid> The last one must have gone out, since we passed the ending order number today I believe
[23:23] <Gadgetoid> So I suspect it was number 8, labelling pieces of 8 from 0 to 7 would be... inhuman
[23:23] <t3chguy> lol, the chance of me getting it twice exists xD
[23:26] <Gadgetoid> If you wanted to do that, you should have placed 1000 consecutive orders for SD card adapters :D ha!
[23:26] <t3chguy> lol good point
[23:27] <t3chguy> since the £100 wasn't a one-use I could have actually done that xD
[23:27] <t3chguy> what the hell would I have done with them all at the point though
[23:28] <Gadgetoid> Taken over the world?
[23:28] <t3chguy> hahaha
[23:28] <Gadgetoid> Using plastic shuriken...
[23:28] <t3chguy> the Unicorn HAT is a really tight fit in the Official Foundation Case :/
[23:30] <Gadgetoid> That's why PiBow Coupé is the best.
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[23:31] <t3chguy> if I got a PiBow I'd have to go for the PiBow Ninja and get a light diffuser layer for the top
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[23:32] <t3chguy> the HAT is crazy without something diffusing the light
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[23:32] <Gadgetoid> I'm aallllll too familiar with that :D
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[23:32] <Gadgetoid> I had about 4 pieces of white acrylic stacked on top of it when I was testing
[23:32] <t3chguy> hahaha
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[23:34] <Gadgetoid> I need to stop trying to write code for a 14-year old Palm
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[23:49] <ali1234> hey gadgetoid, any chance of custom pololu orders any time soon?
[23:50] <ali1234> i want some of their magnetic rotary encoders
[23:50] <Gadgetoid> Magnetic ones you say?
[23:50] <ali1234> yeah
[23:50] <Gadgetoid> Linky?
[23:50] <Gadgetoid> I've got bags of mechanical ones i'm playing with at the moment
[23:50] <ali1234> https://www.pololu.com/product/2598
[23:50] <ali1234> they are pretty much same as the optical ones... but magnetic
[23:50] <Gadgetoid> Ooh, shaft encoders!
[23:51] <ali1234> supposedly they are much better
[23:51] <Gadgetoid> Hall effect I guess, I can imagine them being better
[23:51] <ali1234> they have a blog about all the different iterations, magnetic are supposedly the ultimate :)
[23:52] <ali1234> for one thing, they don't need extra electronics to get a proper digital out
[23:52] <ali1234> compare the scope traces...
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[23:53] <ali1234> here's the blog https://www.pololu.com/blog/414/new-products-magnetic-quadrature-encoders-for-micro-metal-gearmotors
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[23:54] <Gadgetoid> Oh dayum, they're pretty good
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[23:55] <Gadgetoid> I'll prod the right people to look into stocking those, since new hotness is always good
[23:56] <ali1234> thanks :)
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[23:56] <t3chguy> hmm, I wish I could get a replacement top for this Official Foundation Case that functioned as a light diffuser
[23:56] <t3chguy> my Pi would then be perfect for me
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[23:57] <Gadgetoid> Encoders don't shift too quickly though, but I reckon there's a case for winding down optical in favour of these if they're genuinely better
[23:58] <ali1234> there doesn't seem to be a downside if their blog is accurate
[23:59] <ali1234> you get digital output and a much wider voltage range

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