#raspberrypi IRC Log

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IRC Log for 2015-08-08

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[0:00] <NullMoogleCable> well that explains why my pi keeps running out of memory lol
[0:01] <at0m> NedScott: oh, sorry had no idea
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[0:06] <Gadgetoid> t3chguy: https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=32&t=35838&sid=bf775c6571c6e551329cbae830f607b0&start=25
[0:07] <Gadgetoid> t3chguy: He modified some code from that thread to make it run on UnicornHAT
[0:08] <t3chguy> Neat, not got the modified code?
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[0:08] <faLUCE> hello, is there something similar to raspberry pi, but with more powerful cpu + NO graphic card (I don't need it) + network card, well supported for linux?
[0:08] <Gadgetoid> Nope :( it was lost to the sands of time
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[0:11] <Gadgetoid> faLUCE: you'll be hard pushed to find one specifically without a GPU, so I wouldn't worry about that as a requirement
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[0:14] <Gadgetoid> faLUCE: Odroid-XU4?
[0:14] <faLUCE> Gadgetoid: too expensive
[0:15] <faLUCE> I wonder if is there more powerful and cheaper than beaglebone
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[0:15] <Gadgetoid> Generally not, since as soon as you step away from being the Pi, the market bottoms out and it's almost impossible to hit a competitive price
[0:15] <NedScott> faLUCE: look at Freescale imx6 devices
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[0:16] <NedScott> decently priced and excellent linux support
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[0:16] <NedScott> although, Kodi devs tell me that it is a PITA for video, but that shouldn't be an issue for you :)
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[0:17] <Gadgetoid> Wand board is $129 for Quad Cortex A9 i.MX6
[0:17] <faLUCE> NedScott: thanks, what about linux support for them?
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[0:18] <NedScott> smaller community than the Pi, but the SoCs are well documented. The end result is pretty good support.
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[0:19] <faLUCE> NedScott: which model would you suggest?
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[0:19] <NedScott> better than others like Allwinner, which aren't horrible, but are kind of horrible
[0:19] <NedScott> faLUCE: what are you planning on using it for?
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[0:19] <faLUCE> NedScott: webserver + gpio
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[0:20] <Gadgetoid> SATA would be a must, I'd guess, since SD throughput is pretty naff
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[0:26] <NedScott> yeah, if you want SATA, wandboard is good
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[0:55] <fluffet> does anyone here have experience with the raspberry pi 2 as a torrent/seedbox?
[0:56] <fluffet> because I recently got a 400gb hdd from my university i don't really know what to do with
[0:57] <fluffet> i was thinking of buying a chassi and psu for it and hooking it up to the rpi and have that as my media server.. kinda
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[0:57] <SyncYourDogmas> Media storage?
[0:57] <fluffet> yeah I guess
[0:57] <fluffet> i would love to use rutorrent on it and download torrents of tv shows/whatever with RSS
[0:57] <jmw> fluffet: I use mine a a minidlna server -- works nicely for that
[0:58] <fluffet> i turn off my stationary computer when i go to bed but my rpi is running 24/7
[0:58] <SyncYourDogmas> Go for really high quality stuff
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[0:59] <fluffet> is minidlna like plex/xbmc?
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[0:59] <fluffet> SyncYourDogmas: it's not a disaster if my hdd breaks if that's what you are afraid of :P
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[0:59] <fluffet> like i said i got it for free, but it'd be nice to use it for something
[1:00] <jmw> fluffet: It's a bit more stripped down than plex/xbmc, but for what it does, it works well... it's a very simple media server.
[1:00] <fluffet> alright ^^
[1:01] <NedScott> minidlna is an actual server. Kodi has a server but is really meant to be used as a player
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[1:01] <NedScott> you would want Kodi if the Pi is connected via HDMI to the TV. Otherwise, other apps will probably be better as a server.
[1:02] <fluffet> i don't have it hooked up to a tv ^^
[1:02] <fluffet> i use samba or ssh
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[1:03] <at0m> fluffet: mind you, pi's throughput is rather limited. network and usb are on usb bus
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[1:04] <fluffet> yep, so if i would get this hdd hooked up it would have to be over usb
[1:04] <at0m> yes
[1:04] <fluffet> which means sharing
[1:04] <at0m> plus, usb disks don't like to read 10 files at once
[1:04] <Broly> any american here?
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[1:04] <at0m> Broly: only russians
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[1:05] <NedScott> da
[1:05] <fluffet> well, i have a 100/10 connection
[1:05] <Broly> wondering if americans are taught gravity. google's first page not conclusive
[1:05] <Broly> https://www.google.ca/search?q=do+americans+learn+gravity&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&gws_rd=cr&ei=PznFVY_fBsyWygSZ2bToAQ#q=are+americans+taught+gravity
[1:05] <Berg> there is a dingo with three legs
[1:05] <at0m> i'm a dog
[1:05] <fluffet> the rpi bus is 100mbit as well right?
[1:05] <at0m> fluffet: it's usb2
[1:06] <at0m> that's the limiting factor here, iiuc
[1:06] <Berg> dogs with three legs need gravity otherwise they a bird with three legs
[1:06] <fluffet> okay
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[1:06] <at0m> there is no 'network bus', it's an adapter on usb2
[1:06] <fluffet> well, it doesnt hurt to try i guess
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[1:07] <fluffet> a cabinette for a disk is like 20€
[1:07] <fluffet> and if it doesnt work at least i have an external hdd i can use
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[1:07] <NedScott> Broly: clearly, all americans believe that god created gravity
[1:07] <Broly> ....
[1:07] <Broly> i mean
[1:07] <Broly> like
[1:07] <Broly> 9.81m/s^2
[1:07] <NedScott> they do teach physics in the US
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[1:07] <at0m> in foot and pounds
[1:08] <Broly> yeah whatever the conversion is, that's fine
[1:08] <jmw> Heh
[1:08] <Berg> what your google search turns up is not always true
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[1:08] <Broly> so you guys DO learn about gravity? d=1/2(a)(t^2) etc
[1:08] <Berg> im not american
[1:08] <Broly> avg velocity is v_f - v_i / t_[interval_{f-i}]
[1:09] <Broly> what do americans learn for mathematics and physics then wtf
[1:09] <Berg> we refuse to use the decimal system as we all have 12 fingers
[1:10] <Berg> some one ban me please
[1:10] <Broly> lol
[1:10] <Broly> i'm worried man what the fuck are they learning when it comes to numbers
[1:10] <Broly> what the hell
[1:12] <NedScott> do you really think it's that much different than other countries?
[1:12] <at0m> there's no pi in gravity.
[1:12] <Berg> my pi dont float?
[1:13] <NedScott> the main issue with US education is more about what should or shouldn't be considered required for basic education (k-12)
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[1:14] <at0m> Earth was created 2 seconds ago and our memories are implants from the devil.
[1:14] <at0m> </fact>
[1:14] <CoJaBo> US education is a joke
[1:15] <UberSMPL> Playing with the UnicornHat and some of the example scripts from sandyjmacdonald... think I'm BLIND now
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[1:18] <SyncYourDogmas> fluffet: oh I meant resolution wise lol
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[1:20] <NedScott> nice, I found a keyboard that will fit in the lower screen hole of a gameboy DSiXL: http://amzn.com/B005UJ3CXI
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[1:23] <NedScott> not sure if I want to spend $10 on it since I'm going to be tearing it apart, though. I should find a broken Blackberry and just rip the keyboard out of that
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[1:24] * ShorTie thinkz it just l00ks like a happy keyboard
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[1:42] <NedScott> too bad I cant seem to find this anywheer: http://gadgets.boingboing.net/2009/02/06/creditcard-sized-blu.html
[1:42] <NedScott> where
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[1:57] * [Saint] wonders if the raspbian-ua-netinst guy is here
[1:57] <[Saint]> I realized a slightly hilarious flaw/dependency issue with his images
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[1:58] <[Saint]> - it doesn't ship with apt-utils, apt-utils needs apt-utils to set itself up.
[1:58] <SpeedEvil> NedScott: http://www.aliexpress.com/item/Newest-Mini-Bluetooth-Wireless-Keyboard-Ultra-Slim-for-Laptop-PC-Android-Tab-PS3-Black-D5264A-Eshow/32252374167.html
[1:58] <NedScott> SpeedEvil: too big
[1:58] <SpeedEvil> not quite as small
[1:58] <[Saint]> (otherwise you've got to go back over each and every install and run dpkg-reconfigure for everything)
[1:58] <NedScott> needs to be 90 x 70 mm or smaller
[1:59] <[Saint]> 9x7cm for a full keyboard? That's...keen.
[2:00] * [Saint] thinks of how utterly unusable the blackberry keyboards are and laughs slightly
[2:01] <[Saint]> touch keyboards get away with it with advanced prediction and debouncing routines.
[2:01] <[Saint]> physical keyboards...well.
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[2:01] <NedScott> it's basically just taking up space that would be empty
[2:02] <NedScott> I'm using a Raspberry Pi 2 and a gameboy DSi XL to make a portable gaming machine/laptop/video player
[2:02] <NedScott> I figured I could use it where the second lower screen used to be
[2:02] <SpeedEvil> [Saint]: I have a nokia n900 - I got to ~40wpm on the keyboard, and >>99% accuracy
[2:02] <NedScott> just a little thumb guy for occasional text entry
[2:02] <ali1234> so you re-invented the sharp zaurus?
[2:02] <[Saint]> just throw a bt dongle in there and then take your pick of any number of infinitely better larger external keyboards.
[2:02] <NullMoogleCable> has anyone done anything with the Raspberry Pi DSI port yet?
[2:03] <ali1234> nope
[2:03] <SpeedEvil> NullMoogleCable: Details on how to use it have not been given
[2:03] <NedScott> [Saint]: there wouldn't be much point in that
[2:03] <NedScott> like I said, this is just to fill in a space
[2:03] <SpeedEvil> NullMoogleCable: Nor the CSI port
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[2:03] <NullMoogleCable> SpeedEvil what about the camera board?
[2:04] <SpeedEvil> NullMoogleCable: You cannot use other cameras.
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[2:04] <[Saint]> Thanks, Broadcom. Throadcom.
[2:04] <SpeedEvil> There are many other interesting CSI cameras which are electrically compatible with the port.
[2:05] <SpeedEvil> For example, a couple of models up is a camera with four times the pixel area as the existing one.
[2:05] <SpeedEvil> But similar in other respects
[2:05] <SpeedEvil> Much, much better low-light performance -
[2:05] <[Saint]> Yeah, it certainly is an odd decision.
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[2:05] <[Saint]> But just one on a long list of odd descisions.
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[2:06] <[Saint]> It's what we get for the cheap-ass price-point.
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[2:06] <ali1234> i bet it would not be hard to write a ARM mode camera driver
[2:07] <[Saint]> time/effort+gain.
[2:07] <NullMoogleCable> http://www.adafruit.com/products/1937
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[2:08] <SyncYourDogmas> Has anyone got any interesting piglow code they'd care to share?
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[2:08] <SpeedEvil> NullMoogleCable: That's the same camera module
[2:09] <NullMoogleCable> ah thought so
[2:09] <[Saint]> Yeah, just the same mudule sans board.
[2:09] <SpeedEvil> There are in principle many dozens of compatible cameras.
[2:09] <SpeedEvil> Most of which are uninteresting in general.
[2:10] <SpeedEvil> But some have actual useful features compared to the stock one
[2:10] <NullMoogleCable> has anyone made a "swap space" ram hat yet?
[2:11] <ali1234> the pi can't use more than 1GB of RAM
[2:11] <ali1234> and fake RAM connected any other way would not be faster than swap on SD
[2:11] <[Saint]> just swap into a tmpfs.
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[2:11] <SpeedEvil> ali1234: It would.
[2:11] <at0m> swap into ram? what's the use?
[2:11] <[Saint]> If you need more than ~256MB swap you're likely Doing Something Wrong(TM) anyway.
[2:12] <SpeedEvil> ali1234: In principle, a RAM-SD would be much, much faster
[2:12] <SpeedEvil> ali1234: as it'd skip all of the silly random access times
[2:12] <ali1234> yes but that does not require a hat
[2:13] <ali1234> just some weird RAM-SD card that doesn't exist...
[2:13] <at0m> ... and connects via usb just the same
[2:13] <ali1234> the SD card is not connected on USB
[2:13] <NullMoogleCable> what about with i2c or spi?
[2:14] <ali1234> i2c is much too slow
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[2:14] <SpeedEvil> In principle - if you were insane - you could connect a fast FPGA or something to a small bridge-board soldered on top of the BCM
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[2:14] <at0m> or was the SD not on USB?
[2:14] <ali1234> spi tops out at what, 125MHz? so far slower than USB2
[2:14] <at0m> ali1234: but it's not serial
[2:14] <at0m> oh
[2:14] <ali1234> spi isn't serial?
[2:15] <at0m> well, loads more pins
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[2:15] <NullMoogleCable> what about a parallel ram option?
[2:15] <ali1234> spi has mosi and miso... they are equivalent to tx and rx
[2:16] <[Saint]> NullMoogleCable: in case it's not clear the SoC can't address any more than 1GB of RAM
[2:16] <NullMoogleCable> what would be the fastest transfer speed the io pins could do?
[2:17] <ali1234> you could connect 16kb of parallel ram using the SMI interface. it would be really fast... but not all the pins are available on the gpio header
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[2:17] <ali1234> and it's only 16kb anyway
[2:17] <ali1234> or was it 64kb i forget
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[2:17] <[Saint]> 16...I think.
[2:17] <ali1234> you could bitbang RAM using all the GPIOs but that would be so hilariously slow...
[2:18] <at0m> noone will ever need more than 64k of RAM
[2:18] <at0m> oh the days
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[2:18] <NullMoogleCable> what about connecting another pi via gpio and using is as a co processor?
[2:18] <SpeedEvil> NullMoogleCable: you could in principle connect an arbitary abount of memory to the top of the processor.
[2:18] <ali1234> NullMoogleCable: that is what the SMI interface is for
[2:19] <SpeedEvil> NullMoogleCable: At full normal RAM speed - you would simply need to teach the linux kernel how to bank this RAM
[2:19] <ali1234> unfortunately it's not fully available
[2:19] <SpeedEvil> NullMoogleCable: this would be completely insane to do.
[2:19] <ali1234> could do it with the compute modules though
[2:19] <SpeedEvil> To be clear - you need to desolder the RAM off the processor, and add your own board on top.
[2:19] <[Saint]> glwt
[2:19] <ali1234> the SoC can only access 1GB of RAM, ever
[2:20] <ali1234> using the normal RAM interface that is
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[2:20] <SpeedEvil> ali1234: That is not quite the same as saying you can't have 16G connected via a bank switching arrangement.
[2:20] <SpeedEvil> (for example)
[2:20] <ali1234> true i suppose. switch it with GPIO
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[2:20] <ali1234> but you would have to handle the MMU stuff in software
[2:21] <SpeedEvil> ali1234: I was assuming RAM access
[2:21] <SpeedEvil> yes - you need to teach the kernel about it - it's not trivial
[2:21] <ali1234> you could make banks 1-15 be a ramdisk and then use it as swap
[2:21] <ali1234> that would perhaps not be totally impossible :)
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[2:21] <SpeedEvil> Swap is the easiest way
[2:22] <ali1234> of course it will make all your memory 16x slower...
[2:22] <ali1234> (worst case)
[2:23] <SpeedEvil> Err - what?
[2:23] <ali1234> although i suppose if you're going to the trouble of doing this, you could just add glue logic and a SATA controller chip at some random memory mapped address
[2:23] <SpeedEvil> It should have no effect on speed.
[2:23] <SpeedEvil> Bank switching doesn't affect speed apart from latency copying in/out
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[2:25] <ali1234> sorry yeah you're right
[2:26] <ali1234> it won't be 16x slower
[2:26] <ali1234> but bank switching will be really slow
[2:26] <ali1234> since you'd have to use GPIOs or some other interface
[2:26] <NullMoogleCable> doesnt look like the smi is even documented..
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[2:26] <ali1234> NullMoogleCable: it's not beyond which pins it is on
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[2:28] <SpeedEvil> ali1234: no reason you can't use memory mapped
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[2:29] <ali1234> true, but then you might as well forget about bank switching and just use an external controller of some kind
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[2:34] <SpeedEvil> Bank switching and memory mapping the very top of RAM (or wherever) to conrol it for MMIO are hardly exclusive
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[2:35] <[Saint]> Bwahahahahahahah! Even using the HW RNG, the Pi B(2) is _hilariously_ slow at generating an 8192b ssh key set
[2:35] <[Saint]> ...11 minutes.
[2:35] <[Saint]> lol
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[2:36] <[Saint]> ODROID C1 did it in 114 seconds.
[2:36] <[Saint]> Desktop did it in 21 seconds.
[2:37] <ali1234> that has to be a bug
[2:37] <[Saint]> One would think.
[2:37] <ali1234> isn;t the odroid the same cpu core?
[2:38] <[Saint]> Nah.
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[2:38] <[Saint]> Though they do make a pi-clone, the C1 isn't it.
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[2:39] <[Saint]> C1 uses the AMS805
[2:39] <[Saint]> (1.5GHz quad)
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[2:48] <NedScott> they had the ODROID-W, which was the same SoC and could even use the same SD cards as a Pi 1. They couldn't source more of the Broadcom SoCs, so they replaced that with the ODROID-C1 as their new "pi clone". It's not really a clone as much as it is a look-alike, so you can use some of the same cases. They also say Pi-compatible GPIO, so in theory you could use hats and other Pi-GPIO accessories that need a specific layout without any kind of
[2:48] <NedScott> adapter.
[2:48] <NedScott> normally they use samsung processors in their stuff, though
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[2:49] <NedScott> " Samsung Exynos5422 Cortex™-A15 2Ghz and Cortex™-A7 Octa core CPUs"
[2:49] <NedScott> dang
[2:50] <NedScott> I guess they make those normally for phones and tablets that switch between two groups of 4 cores, one for power saving, one for pure CPU power, but all 8 can be used as well.
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[2:52] <[Saint]> It's un umpopular opinion, but I think in modern phone HW multicore SoCs that aren't in a big.LITTLE configuration are largely just a useless cash grab for people who think more is better.
[2:53] <[Saint]> Which, FWIW, is just about every consumer ever.
[2:53] <[Saint]> So...yeah.
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[2:53] <NedScott> aye
[2:54] <NedScott> there are plenty of dual core processors that are faster than quad core
[2:54] <NedScott> but from what I read, the Exynos 5422 is still fairly impressive
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[2:56] <NullMoogleCable> k4p2g324ed
[2:57] <NullMoogleCable> so this is a gen 1 with 256mb of ram X_X
[2:58] <NullMoogleCable> dang
[3:01] <[Saint]> The RAM only ever really comes into play if you're trying to use the pi as a full blown media player or desktop substitute.
[3:01] <[Saint]> Both things it was never really designed to do.
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[3:01] <[Saint]> If you're using the pi as intended as an educational and instructional board, RAM shouldn't ever be an issue.
[3:02] <[Saint]> But, again, my opinion there on what the pi is and isn't is an unpopular one.
[3:02] <NedScott> well, the SoC was actually designed to be a full blown media player
[3:02] <NedScott> technically :)
[3:03] <NedScott> and software like XBMC was originally developed on beta Pi boards that only had 256 MBs
[3:04] <[Saint]> I thought the SoC's main application was in entirely headless applications such as VOIP.
[3:04] * [Saint] shrugs
[3:05] <traeak> for a midi apppliance a alot of ram is extremely useful
[3:06] <NedScott> The BCM2835 has been used in a number of set top boxes
[3:06] <NedScott> Roku 2 XS
[3:07] <NedScott> it's also used only as a GPU for the Amazon Fire TV stick
[3:07] <ali1234> media player does not need lots of RAM
[3:07] <ali1234> neither does midi
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[3:09] <[Saint]> FOr whatever reason people seem to think that audio processing is extremely computationally and resource intensive.
[3:09] <[Saint]> It's...odd.
[3:09] <at0m> [Saint]: try IR verbs
[3:10] <ali1234> well, it can be computationally intensive, if you are doing a lot of complex things with effects in real time
[3:10] <at0m> impulse response reverb, i'm sorry
[3:10] <ali1234> but it doesn't need more than a few kb for audio buffers
[3:11] <[Saint]> I can do a full parametric EQ, haas effect, dithering, noise floor reduction...you name it. On an 80MHz portalplayer SoC with 64MB RAM.
[3:11] <[Saint]> samplerate up/downscaling, etc.
[3:12] <NedScott> I'm not sure I would call that complex by today's standards :)
[3:13] <[Saint]> Way more than Joe Average is ever going to make use of.
[3:13] <NedScott> true
[3:13] <ali1234> right
[3:15] <[Saint]> That same SoC does mp3 320 realtime decode in 10~11MHz.
[3:15] <[Saint]> ~4000% realtime flac8 decode.
[3:16] <[Saint]> http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/CodecPerformanceComparison largely outdated numbers (we got a lot better) on exactly how non-computationally intensive most audio is
[3:16] <ali1234> media playback is easy though, just do it in hardware
[3:17] <ali1234> you can buy a mp3 player SoC with 64kb RAM and 8 bit CPU... and a hardware codec
[3:17] <ali1234> there's probably more of them than fancy ipods
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[3:20] <at0m> <3 rockbox
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[3:21] <at0m> got a bunch of iriver h320, 340's catching dust
[3:21] <at0m> one 340 with 80GB. that was before phones played music :D
[3:21] <[Saint]> If you use the default skin - I'm sorry...I'm so, so, so sorry. ;)
[3:22] <at0m> lolno
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[3:22] <at0m> i did play Doom on them :D
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[4:19] <biberao> hi
[4:19] <biberao> anyone could help me with a script for the pi?
[4:21] <[Saint]> It helps to format questions in a way that allows people to better answer them, like: "I'm having a trouble with $this_thing, here is that I have done, this is how it behaves, and this is what I expect it to do"
[4:22] <[Saint]> As opposed to "can haz helpz plz Sir?"
[4:23] <abnormal> lol, [Saint]
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[4:24] <hamrove> it dont work
[4:25] <hamrove> what do?
[4:26] <[Saint]> It ded. He dieded.
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[4:31] <mixfix41> this is an impressive little gadget
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[4:32] <abnormal> yes it is
[4:32] <abnormal> I have 6 of the
[4:32] <abnormal> them
[4:36] <abnormal> also I have a Beaglebone Black..
[4:37] <abnormal> they all are fun to play with
[4:37] <biberao> back sorry
[4:37] <abnormal> wb
[4:37] <biberao> i want to run omxplayer on start of lxde full screen looping videos
[4:37] <abnormal> cool
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[4:38] <biberao> any idea to setup
[4:38] <biberao> please
[4:39] <abnormal> I do not know, but [Saint] may know...
[4:39] <biberao> [Saint]: ?
[4:40] <abnormal> yeh, he's a pi guru
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[4:41] <[Saint]> Nor particularly.
[4:41] <[Saint]> *not
[4:41] <biberao> :|
[4:41] <biberao> ive tried this
[4:41] <biberao> http://raspberrypi.stackexchange.com/questions/8805/auto-login-into-lxde-and-auto-start-video-player-omxplayer
[4:41] <biberao> last post
[4:42] <tjcarter> Oh hey! There's a new MagPi! Hopefully this one's not full of RetroPies, Kodi boxes, and Pi in a box with a battery "laptops"…
[4:42] <tjcarter> ……
[4:42] <tjcarter> …dammit!
[4:42] <[Saint]> I mean, I'm not particularly a /pi/ guru, as verry little of the support here is ever genuinely pi-specific, and I'm not really a guru per se...but, I know things.
[4:42] <tjcarter> ;)
[4:43] <[Saint]> STarting any arbitrary application at boot under a debian system is foolishly trivial in any number of ways it can be done.
[4:43] <abnormal> ok, [Saint] , but you know a lot more than I do imho
[4:43] <[Saint]> /etc/init.d is your friend here
[4:44] <biberao> [Saint]: i did it
[4:44] <biberao> last post
[4:44] <biberao> but not working
[4:45] <[Saint]> Looks perfectly syntactically valid to me.
[4:46] <[Saint]> That solution should indeed work fine.
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[4:46] <biberao> the last post?
[4:46] <biberao> etc/xdg/lxsession/LXDE-pi/autostart <- added @xterm -fn fixed /etc/init.d/USBMp4Check
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[4:47] <[Saint]> Yes.
[4:50] <[Saint]> Another easy way to do it is to just pass off the autostarting of omxplayer to LXDE itself.
[4:50] <biberao> how
[4:50] <biberao> ?
[4:51] <tjcarter> Also in this issue, we review a commercial product? Is it crap or should you buy it? Read to find out! ;)
[4:51] <[Saint]> Just drop a .desktop files for $app_you_want_to_autorun in ~/.config/autorun, then let /etc/init.d handle the playing of whatever arbitrary looped media you wish after a sufficient wait time to ensure that LXDE is up.
[4:52] <biberao> never done that [Saint]
[4:52] <biberao> :|
[4:52] <[Saint]> I suspect you've never done a lot of things before the first time you did them. :)
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[4:52] <[Saint]> Fortunately you're human and capable of learning and resoning.
[4:52] <[Saint]> *reasoning
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[4:53] <biberao> [Saint]: guide me
[4:53] <biberao> :D
[4:53] <[Saint]> But realistically I can see precisely zero good reason why the first link you supplied would be nonfunctional.
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[4:54] <biberao> i couldnt get it to work
[4:55] <[Saint]> If you copied it verbatim instead of checking for relative paths it could fall over. I mean, I'm not entirely convinced that for raspbian the actual autostart path for non-users is */LXDE-pi/*
[4:55] <[Saint]> I'm fairly confident it's */lxde/*
[4:56] <biberao> i tried
[4:56] <biberao> this /etc/xdg/lxsession/
[4:56] <biberao> tried /etc/xdg/LXDE-PI
[4:56] <biberao> :|
[4:56] <[Saint]> AFAIK it's /etc/xdg/lxsession/lxde/autostart
[4:56] <biberao> ok
[4:56] <biberao> ill try it
[4:57] <[Saint]> But I don't even use a DE myself, haven't for years.
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[4:57] <biberao> /usr/bin/xauth: file /root/.Xauthority does not exist
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[5:00] <[Saint]> Overhtinking it.
[5:00] <[Saint]> Just pass -X
[5:01] <[Saint]> it'll still bitch about it initially, but it'll create the authority file right then and there.
[5:01] <biberao> im running x11 forwarading for testing
[5:01] <[Saint]> I'm aware
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[5:03] <fluffet> can't believe this
[5:03] <fluffet> warranty on my HDD is void if it experiences shock in excess of 350 G's.
[5:03] <biberao> i need to know the DE autostart
[5:04] <[Saint]> fluffet: what's not to believe? DOes that seem excessive to you? It sounds like a lot of force, but that's equivalent to dropping it from a fairly nominal height.
[5:05] <[Saint]> It sounds like a big scary number but it's really not a lot of force for an impact.
[5:05] <fluffet> yeah i know that
[5:05] <[Saint]> (of this type)
[5:05] <[Saint]> Ah.
[5:05] <fluffet> because of impulse law
[5:05] <biberao> the init is broken too
[5:06] <fluffet> what's funny is apparently the highest recorded g-force ever survived is kenny bräck's formula 1 crash
[5:06] <fluffet> that's 214 g's
[5:06] <fluffet> so warranty if he had a seagate barracuda 500gb in his pocket would still be valid
[5:07] <CoJaBo> Classy.
[5:07] <abnormal> go to the top of a tall building and try dropping it..
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[5:08] <abnormal> I guarantee it won't survive....
[5:08] <CoJaBo> I know a guy who worked for a logistics or something company
[5:08] <CoJaBo> One of his tasks was to send GPS/accelerometer logging devices thru the mail, to ensure "fragile" labels were obeyed...
[5:08] <[Saint]> It's worth noting that if that G-force was imparted directly to the driver - he'd be dead.
[5:09] <[Saint]> Monocoque shells do a LOT of work at diverting forces.
[5:09] <CoJaBo> At a UPS warehouse, one recorded the equivelent of a 5-story fall.
[5:09] <CoJaBo> ....how?
[5:09] <[Saint]> Not only would be be dead.
[5:09] <biberao> cant do it :|
[5:10] <[Saint]> He'd be dead by a a very large margin.
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[5:11] <[Saint]> biberao: Honestly I think you need to start over and try solving this one issue at a time. It's not possible to guarantee at this stage that your various attempts at getting this to function haven't broken the setup in any number of hilarious ways.
[5:12] <[Saint]> Start fresh, get the De to autostart, then get omxplayer to autostart, and then feed it some media after the fact.
[5:12] <[Saint]> As opposed to trying to do it all in one lump.
[5:12] <biberao> i got the De to autostart
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[5:13] <biberao> omxplayer plays fine manually
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[5:19] <abnormal> +
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[5:25] <biberao> wont be using X anymore
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[5:31] <biberao> please help'
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[5:37] <SyncYourDogmas> biberao: what's your problem?
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[5:37] <SyncYourDogmas> If you're using a de you're using X unfortunately
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[5:41] <biberao> SyncYourDogmas: need to have omxplayer start on startup and play various videos
[5:41] <biberao> either with X or no X
[5:43] <SyncYourDogmas> biberao: you'll want it in a startup script, but probably not re. Local because starting before X can break things. Either in X resources, if your using a DE
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[5:43] <SyncYourDogmas> Or .xi nitric if not
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[5:44] <biberao> SyncYourDogmas: i didnt get a thing you said
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[5:47] <biberao> can you be more explicit?
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[5:48] <SyncYourDogmas> biberao: there's, generally speaking, three locations to put a start up script, in your case omxplayer play list &
[5:48] <biberao> i want a playlist yes
[5:50] <SyncYourDogmas> .xinitirc is probably not what you're after, so the choice is either /etc/rc.local, the proper way
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[5:50] <biberao> SyncYourDogmas: so without DE is the best way?
[5:50] <SyncYourDogmas> Or you could do it right after the GUIDE starts in .Xresources
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[5:51] <SyncYourDogmas> I've personally had problems starting a GUI app before X, although I'm sure there's a way to handle it
[5:51] <biberao> like ive tried
[5:51] <biberao> with lxde
[5:52] <biberao> then xterm and then omxplayer
[5:52] <biberao> cant do it :|
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[5:53] <SyncYourDogmas> Easiest would be in an .X file in your home folder
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[5:54] <SyncYourDogmas> What files do you have in ls -a | grep -i X ?
[5:55] <biberao> .Xauthority
[5:55] <biberao> .xsession-errors
[5:55] <biberao> .xsession-errors.old
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[5:56] <SyncYourDogmas> Aah there's a third way too I think with the X desktop thing in lxde. ..
[5:57] <biberao> i was trying to do that!
[5:58] <SyncYourDogmas> It annoyed me so much I removed it. .xinitrc might be able to override it...
[5:59] <biberao> but what about
[5:59] <biberao> i have 2 clips
[5:59] <biberao> frm one to the other
[5:59] <biberao> it shows me the login prompt
[5:59] <biberao> :|
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[5:59] <SyncYourDogmas> Do you need lxde? Could apt-get install fluxbox
[6:00] <SyncYourDogmas> Then it's just nice and easy .xinitric I think
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[6:00] <biberao> SyncYourDogmas: will that fix my problem?
[6:00] <SyncYourDogmas> I'll see how I skip it
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[6:01] <biberao> SyncYourDogmas: ill install fluxbox
[6:01] <biberao> but make it run omxplayer on startup
[6:01] <SyncYourDogmas> You'll still need to disable lmde somehow
[6:02] <SyncYourDogmas> .xinitirc is so so much easier though
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[6:03] <biberao> lmde?
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[6:03] <SyncYourDogmas> Lightdm sorry
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[6:04] <SyncYourDogmas> Http://termbin.com/zsqi
[6:05] <SyncYourDogmas> That's my config
[6:06] <biberao> it still shows
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[6:06] <biberao> the login prompt
[6:06] <biberao> between movies
[6:06] <biberao> :|
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[6:07] <biberao> i already removed lightdm
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[6:07] <biberao> ideas?
[6:07] <biberao> to hide the login prompt
[6:07] <biberao> ?
[6:07] <biberao> between movies?
[6:07] <biberao> i did this
[6:07] <biberao> setterm -term linux -clear
[6:08] <SyncYourDogmas> This is in playlists yeah?
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[6:09] <biberao> i cant get playlists to work
[6:09] <biberao> yet
[6:09] <biberao> SyncYourDogmas: teach me
[6:09] <biberao> how you do it
[6:09] <biberao> first startup
[6:11] <SyncYourDogmas> I tend to do this be http://www.bristolwatch.com/rpi/xinitrc
[6:11] <SyncYourDogmas> .htm
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[6:12] <SyncYourDogmas> Have a bunch of videos in a directory, then do vlc*
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[6:12] <biberao> ok
[6:12] <biberao> fixed the between videos
[6:12] <biberao> prompt
[6:13] <biberao> why pi2 has no composite
[6:13] <biberao> :|
[6:13] <biberao> http://termbin.com/zsqi <- how did you make this?
[6:15] <SyncYourDogmas> pstree | nc termbin.com 9999
[6:15] <SyncYourDogmas> Can cat files etc too
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[6:16] <biberao> cool
[6:16] <biberao> thanks
[6:16] <biberao> SyncYourDogmas:
[6:16] <biberao> i wanted to do a digital signage type
[6:16] <biberao> of thing
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[6:18] <SyncYourDogmas> Mm?
[6:19] <biberao> http://planet5tv.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/signage-sample-12.jpg
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[6:21] <SyncYourDogmas> Cool, just careful on resolution / speed of videos...
[6:21] <SyncYourDogmas> What's it for, just fun?
[6:22] <biberao> coffeeshop
[6:22] <biberao> maybe i should use screenly
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[6:24] <SyncYourDogmas> What's that?
[6:24] <biberao> i need to buy 2 female gender rca
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[6:24] <biberao> digital signage softwre
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[6:25] <SyncYourDogmas> If it doesn't change frames much a pi would be perfect
[6:25] <SyncYourDogmas> I think anyway, graphics aren't my strong point
[6:26] <biberao> https://www.dropbox.com/s/a5e3i1wwu473xgk/outside1.jpg?dl=0
[6:26] <biberao> https://www.dropbox.com/s/7189epqegwexlqw/outside2.jpg?dl=0
[6:27] <biberao> im tired
[6:27] <biberao> bed time
[6:27] <biberao> seeya
[6:27] <biberao> thanks
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[6:31] <SyncYourDogmas> No worries, cya
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[6:33] <blurider> Has anyone tried running qemu on the RPi2?
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[6:35] <blurider> I'd like to have the RPi2 update an img automatically for a different architecture.
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[6:39] <[Saint]> biberao: you're aware that the pi-2 /does/ actually have composite out, right?
[6:39] <[Saint]> I guess not.
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[6:40] <[Saint]> errr, brainfart - sorry - it has RCA. It's just hidden in the 3.5mm jack.
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[6:42] <[Saint]> But you can very trivially break that out into video and stereo audio.
[6:43] <[Saint]> I'm reasonably confident that there's ready-made cables that do that.
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[6:43] <blurider> Anyone try qemu on RPi2?
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[7:06] <cconstantine> /join #xaos
[7:11] <blurider> cconstantine: why? there's no one in there
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[7:12] <cconstantine> well, the why is that I wanted to talk to people about rendering xaos animations and had typed a space before the irc command. the sad is that no one's there :(
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[7:17] <[Saint]> That's a bloody obscure way to try and get someone's attention about a particular topic.
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[7:18] <[Saint]> Y'know what would've worked equally well, if not better? "Hey, does anyone know anything about rendering xaos animations?"
[7:18] <cconstantine> really wasn't intentional
[7:18] <cconstantine> I don't expect anyone in here to know
[7:19] <[Saint]> Ah, the wording of it was kinda ambiguous. I see now.
[7:19] <cconstantine> np :)
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[7:21] <[Saint]> I know little more about XaoS then "it is a thing that exists".
[7:22] <cconstantine> I'm happy to talk about it if you'd like, but it's a bit off topic for this channel
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[7:23] <[Saint]> Topic is an interesting thing in this channel. As long as it's not getting in the way of a legitimate support request of deliberately flooding the channel, and is family friendly, largely anything goes.
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[7:23] <[Saint]> s/of/or/
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[7:24] <cconstantine> so, I have a project (that'll run on a rpi2) that needs some trippy video and I'm trying to use xoas/ffmpeg to generate a movie
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[7:27] <[Saint]> My understanding is ffmpeg is superfluous, no?
[7:27] <cconstantine> xaos appears to just generate a crapload of images
[7:27] <[Saint]> xaos can render and package MPEG streams natively.
[7:27] <cconstantine> really?
[7:27] <[Saint]> http://xaos.sourceforge.net/black/doc/mpeg.html#body
[7:27] <[Saint]> yup
[7:28] <cconstantine> isn't that about generating files for an mpeg encoder?
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[7:29] <[Saint]> There's a framerate flag, no? Seems to imply to me that the end result is a valid MPEG stream.
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[7:30] <cconstantine> that seems really just effect the amount of motion between frames
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[7:31] <[Saint]> ah, hmmm. seems you're right indeed.
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[7:32] <cconstantine> so I'm making the video files and that technically works, but it's all stuttery and jumpy
[7:32] <[Saint]> I'm not entirely sure why then it makes a note of stating supported mpeg stream framerates.
[7:32] <cconstantine> like there are lots of skipped frames
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[7:32] <cconstantine> yeah v0v
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[7:33] <[Saint]> if the end result is just a tonne of static images...it's an odd thing to make a note of.
[7:33] <cconstantine> I agree
[7:37] <cconstantine> the frustrating thing is that it's super-smooth in xaos
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[7:41] <[Saint]> There's another thing in their documentation that makes little to no sense to me.
[7:41] <[Saint]> "All images are named [basename]framenum.png. For example intro0001.png is the first frame of the animation intro. If consecutive frames are the same, XaoS doesn't save them, so some frames may be missing. If your encoder can't handle that, you will need to write a simple script which will fill in the gaps by means of mv or symbolic linking."
[7:42] <[Saint]> If it's just duplicated frames, how is that going to make it appear any smoother?
[7:42] <cconstantine> yup, it'll go img0001.png img0002.png img0004.png img0005.png
[7:42] <cconstantine> I think they're trying to not write duplicate files
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[7:43] <cconstantine> and it's left as an exercise for the reader to fill in the gaps with symlinks or copied files
[7:44] <cconstantine> which is super-anoying because ffmpeg doesn't handle it. So I had to write a little program to fix it
[7:44] <[Saint]> The thing I don't understand is if the frames are duplicates, how does it affect the stream in any meaningful way?
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[7:45] <[Saint]> I guess I'd need to dig more into the guts of an mpeg stream to understand that one.
[7:45] <cconstantine> you could just leave them out, but if the animation pauses for a bit then you'll have dup frames
[7:45] <[Saint]> as duration etc. is all in the header
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[7:49] <[Saint]> From memory re-duplicating frames isn't /too/ tedious, is it?
[7:49] <[Saint]> I seem to recall there's a file that lists all frames rendered, and from there you could walk it and find what was discarded.
[7:50] <[Saint]> It's just a shame there's no "don't do this, 'cos it's silly" flag.
[7:50] <cconstantine> I want to make an hour long video 60fps video... it has a lot of duplicate frames and so many image files I can't use file globbing
[7:50] <cconstantine> yeah, I had to write a little ruby program to read the file and stream the images to ffmpeg
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[7:51] <[Saint]> I haven't looked at this since I last looked at the mandlebrot viewer in Rockbox.
[7:51] <cconstantine> I think xaos was mostly written in a time where those few extra duplicate image files would be a problem. nowadays it would be better to just write all the images
[7:51] <[Saint]> Which was many moons ago.
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[7:57] <[Saint]> Alternate solution: just use youtube-dl to download the video stream (sans crappy audio that always seems to come with such animations on youtube) to rip out one of the deep-iteration mandlebrot sets from youtube. ;)
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[7:59] <CoJaBo> lol
[7:59] <[Saint]> There's quite a few 20M+ iteration sets on the youtubes.
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[8:05] <cconstantine> yeah, i have a few of those, but 1) they are only 24fps (I want to play with slowing them down), and 2) I have some specific requirements around brightness that I want to control
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[8:06] <cconstantine> I'm pixel mapping it onto LEDs that are going to be lighting a room, so I don't want flashing or even really much change in overall brightness
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[8:36] <cconstantine> it appears that increasing the bitrate in ffmpeg helps
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[8:49] <turtlehat> with a clean raspbian copied to my sd, can i boot and login over ssh without connecting a screen and a keyboard to set up things at the first boot?
[8:49] <turtlehat> i seem to remember trouble..
[8:51] <[Saint]> You can.
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[8:55] <t3chguy> I think SSH may default to off, since its an option in the rpi-config
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[8:58] <turtlehat> yea, is there an option in the boot text to turn it on?
[9:01] <t3chguy> well its in the raspi-config utility I think
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[9:03] <steve_rox> yea its off by default
[9:03] <turtlehat> i was hoping i could avoid attaching a screen and a keyboard
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[9:03] <turtlehat> but i spose ill have to
[9:04] <steve_rox> maybe you can go in blind if you rember the key strokes :-D
[9:04] <t3chguy> xD
[9:04] <[Saint]> Wait, what? Huh....
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[9:04] <[Saint]> ssh defaulting to off seems like a remarkably insane decision.
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[9:04] <[Saint]> I always thought the default was on.
[9:04] <steve_rox> nah
[9:05] <[Saint]> It most certainly should be.
[9:05] <[Saint]> That's just nuts.
[9:05] <steve_rox> bit of a secureity hazard tho
[9:05] <steve_rox> a rpi on a lan with default username and pwd
[9:06] * plugwash thought it was on by default in the raspberry pi foundation raspbian image
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[9:06] <[Saint]> That's come up here several times and I think the only sane way to address that is to *force* the user to create a new user at boot.
[9:06] <plugwash> unless they have changed things recently
[9:06] <[Saint]> plugwash: yeah - same here.
[9:06] <[Saint]> I'd like verification - but I can't be arsed nuking my sdcards.
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[9:07] <steve_rox> fun times
[9:07] <[Saint]> There's an easy way to avoid this assuming it is true anyway turtlehat, since you almost certainly don't want the few GB of crap that comes preloaded with raspbian anyway - just use raspbian-ua-netinst.
[9:07] <[Saint]> WHich _definitely_ has ssh enabled.
[9:08] <steve_rox> i have no idea what that is
[9:08] <[Saint]> That's nice.
[9:08] <steve_rox> indeed it is
[9:09] <[Saint]> turtlehat: https://github.com/debian-pi/raspbian-ua-netinst
[9:09] <[Saint]> just ensure that the very first package you install is apt-utils.
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[9:09] <turtlehat> im using a distro with a realtime kernel
[9:09] * [Saint] will lodge a bug against that this evening
[9:09] <[Saint]> so...not raspbian then?
[9:10] <[Saint]> Anyway, yeah, if you use that just make sure the first thing you do when you have a shell up is "apt-get install apt-utils && dpkg-reconfigure apt-utils"
[9:10] <turtlehat> http://docs.emlid.com/Downloads/Real-time-Linux-RPi2/
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[9:11] <turtlehat> i guess ill just get out the screen
[9:11] <[Saint]> Well, yeah, whatever - it's just that you asked about raspbian - so silly me, I thought you were referring to raspbian.
[9:11] <turtlehat> :)
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[9:11] <turtlehat> it is raspbian i think
[9:12] <turtlehat> just with the rt patch
[9:12] <[Saint]> Yeah - I guess it's a bit pedantic, but, I think when you make a derivative work like that you need to rename it to avoid confusions such as this one.
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[9:14] <turtlehat> i suppose
[9:14] <[Saint]> Because whatever "and a few additional tunings" (their words) are can have a significant impact on support and expected behaviour.
[9:15] <plugwash> it's not like the raspberry pi foundation do........................
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[9:16] <[Saint]> Yeah, and it's equally problematic.
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[9:17] <[Saint]> It's kinda the same as CyanogenMod, and it sucks. No matter what patches and modifications it may or may not include, or what author it comes from, it's all called "CyanogenMod" and makes support a genuine nightmare.
[9:18] <[Saint]> Often users don't even know they're not running an official build and just expect everything to be the same.
[9:19] <t3chguy> I do prefer the Cyanogen OS builds to Cyanogenmod :P
[9:19] <[Saint]> halfway through a longwinded support session you find out "Oh, I'm using Schmoopy Joe's totally l337 CyanogenMod from XDA forums"
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[9:21] <[Saint]> t3chguy: How's that 5.1.1 working out for ya'?
[9:21] <[Saint]> Oh...that's right... :p
[9:21] <t3chguy> lol
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[9:21] <todkon> Heya! My Edimax wifi USB adapter keeps shutting off the wifi whenever I plug in any other USB peripherals into my pi
[9:21] <t3chguy> todkon: sounds like a lack of power
[9:22] <[Saint]> todkon: you're browning out - you need a better power supply or to offload said peripherals onto a powered hub
[9:22] <Berg> i realy dont get that issue my pi will reconnect on disconnect
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[9:22] <Berg> although i don t run extra off the pi so my wifi is the only thing plugged in
[9:23] <[Saint]> If it's a Pi 2 and you /do/ have a good PSU already, you can enable additional current in config.txt
[9:23] <Berg> the night is dark and fulla terror
[9:24] <[Saint]> ...but the fire burns them all away
[9:24] <todkon> [Saint] I use a Canakit micro USB power supply i got off Amazon, its specs are "Input: 100 - 240VAC Output: 5.1V DC / 1A Regulated", is that not sufficient?
[9:24] <Berg> i do have a pi2 and i do have more then one usb port on my wall outlet
[9:24] <[Saint]> todkon: almost certainly not.
[9:25] <t3chguy> maybe go for a 2A one
[9:25] <Berg> i bought a new wall switch it has double power out for mains power and also has 2 usb power supplies
[9:25] <[Saint]> Seeing as the pi wants about 700mA itself alone, and the dongle probably wants between 200 and 500mA, and whatever else you've got plugged in...
[9:25] <Berg> 5v by 2.1amp
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[9:26] <Berg> i know the rerlays need 5v
[9:26] <Berg> so they on seperate power supply
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[9:26] <Berg> relays
[9:26] <[Saint]> 1A is fine for powering _just_ the pi with a sufficient amount of overhead.
[9:26] <Berg> yeah
[9:26] <[Saint]> Adding peripheraps, and things /might/ work, as long as you're powering it on with them already plugged in.
[9:27] <[Saint]> If you plug them in when it's running, it'll almost certainly fall over.
[9:27] <Berg> i had that working befoir4e i just want to have a very stable power supply for the pi so im running off the 240v inverter
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[9:27] <[Saint]> hahahaha - yep.
[9:27] <[Saint]> that'll do it, lol
[9:27] <turtlehat> thanks for the help anyway all
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[9:28] <todkon> ah lame :( I wanted to kinda use it to recharge my battery extender for my phone, smart watch, and pressure sensitive stylus; but it falls over with any of those items after awhile :(
[9:28] <Berg> the other side of tyhe inverte4r has the wind turbine spikes i flatten them somewhat but they still therte to 14v
[9:28] <[Saint]> todkon: even if it didn't it would take FOREVER to actually charge it.
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[9:29] <Berg> year get a seperate power supply for charging
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[9:29] <[Saint]> It would take a long time at 500mA, let alone whatever the poor pi is managing to give it.
[9:29] <Berg> for ever is love gone wild
[9:30] <todkon> [saint] true, it took hella long to recharge the battery extender, guess I'll just use it as a server alone haha...
[9:30] <[Saint]> That amount of usage even a Pi 2 with additional current supply would have a hard time supplying.
[9:30] <[Saint]> You absolutely need a powered hub to do that.
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[9:30] <todkon> cool, perhaps I'll look into one, thanks!
[9:30] <Berg> get a squirrel in a wheel with a dc motor to gen the power
[9:31] <Berg> i wonder if i can run the house off dog power?
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[9:32] <todkon> hah I've actually been thinking of rigging a way to power up a generator by capturing the friction from my bicycle rollers
[9:32] <Berg> :)
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[9:33] <Berg> http://www.thebackshed.com/windmill/articles/PedalPower.asp
[9:34] <todkon> that would be sweet with dog power though, just have all the floors capture their energy and have ball throwing mechanisms all over the rooms and they'll run around all day while you're at work playing fetch with themselves and powering the house ;D
[9:34] <Berg> i have done most of these things
[9:34] <Berg> yep
[9:34] <Berg> you wona see my made scien tist stuff?
[9:34] * plugwash suggests the "soldering iron and bits of wire" soloution
[9:35] <Berg> http://gallery.anotherpower.com/main.php/v/bergs+place/?g2_GALLERYSID=ffc6d9d551841a13af20bff3f94f1345
[9:35] <Berg> here and my usb ported dog
[9:35] <todkon> Berg: cool peddle power link, and yes!
[9:35] <Berg> hehehe
[9:35] <Berg> there is lost stuff on that site i like it
[9:35] <todkon> damn dude, have you become self sufficient with all the power generating?
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[9:38] <Berg> almost
[9:38] <Berg> http://gallery.anotherpower.com/main.php/v/bergs+place/SDC10504.JPG.html
[9:39] <Berg> i have a annul obbsession to rule the world with power monoply
[9:40] <[Saint]> Are you on a bluetooth keyboard or something Berg?
[9:40] <Berg> see this is a relay with its own power supply
[9:40] <Berg> http://gallery.anotherpower.com/main.php/v/bergs+place/Screenshot+from+2015-07-07+11_31_17.png.html
[9:40] <Berg> nope
[9:40] <Berg> why?
[9:40] <Berg> im just a bad typer i had a stroke and close enough is a bonus for me
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[9:44] <[Saint]> Aha.
[9:44] <todkon> hahahaha poor doogie, he looks psyched to be a power supply
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[9:45] <[Saint]> I just asked because by and large things are mostly in the right order but there's the odd errant space and I had a few BT keyboards that loved to randomly insert spaces into my typing.
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[9:46] <Berg> no its ok i know what you are saying
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[9:46] <Berg> im happy to be able to type it actualy excersised my brain when i neede3d it ,most the PC did
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[9:47] <Berg> my wife bought me a clubbing wand for typing it works
[9:47] <Berg> hehe
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[9:48] <Sisco_> http://pastebin.com/bAuQGWay both the web server and smtp email worked separately, after combining they don't work, please advise
[9:48] <todkon> clubbing wand? is it like a neuro interface?
[9:48] <Sisco_> when I click "send email" on the web page, says connection failed
[9:48] * todkon hax into Sisco_'s system
[9:49] <Berg> its a joke actualy my hands are like clubs todkon
[9:49] <todkon> jk :P but sorry, I personally have no idea how to fix email
[9:49] <Berg> well they were
[9:49] <todkon> Berg, ah pretty funny mate
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[9:50] <Berg> what web page is this Sisco_
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[9:51] <Sisco_> the web page generated and hosted by the arduino code in the pastebin link
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[9:51] <Berg> link please?
[9:53] <[Saint]> "hey, guy, open up your webpage that's almost certainly local only so I can poke at it"
[9:53] <[Saint]> List of Good Ideas #133
[9:54] <Berg> well
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[9:54] <Berg> its a web server web page means connect to it
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[9:55] * todkon waves goodbye
[9:55] <todkon> see ya dudes!
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[9:55] <[Saint]> Well, yeah, but it doesn't mean *you* can.
[9:56] <Berg> is your account working on http://www.smtp2go.com/
[9:56] <[Saint]> My servers run a tonne of local only pages.
[9:56] <Berg> i run a server some times and it can run external
[9:56] <Berg> if i open duuuur ports
[9:57] <Berg> just reading the code and i like dis smtpcorp.com
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[9:58] <Berg> i think your web page might not connect to outside world
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[9:58] <Berg> you can connect to port 2525
[9:58] <Berg> Sisco_:
[9:59] <Berg> or is this only local
[10:00] <Berg> [Saint]: see the code line 18
[10:00] <Berg> he needs external connection
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[10:11] <Berg> Get started in 60 seconds. No credit card needed for the free plan.
[10:11] <Berg> i like it
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[10:37] <Sisco_> Berg: yes it works standalone but when I add the smtp code to the web server code thats when it stops working
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[10:43] <Berg> its asking to be allowed on the web
[10:43] <Berg> see liner 18
[10:43] <Berg> Sisco_:
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[10:51] <superbia> good day
[10:51] <superbia> i have a couple of questions
[10:52] <superbia> #1 can raspi model b 2 be used for a workstation
[10:52] <t3chguy> its a raspi like any other
[10:52] <t3chguy> just more powerful
[10:52] <superbia> #2 how hot does the chip get
[10:52] <t3chguy> so it'd be better for it
[10:52] <t3chguy> superbia: at what load?
[10:53] <superbia> i dont know
[10:53] <t3chguy> can't answer such a vague question
[10:53] <t3chguy> at idle with a heavy distro and desktop environment mine is around 46C
[10:53] <t3chguy> I'd expect it to go up to 70C at full load
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[10:53] <superbia> so id need to cool it ?
[10:53] <[Saint]> No.
[10:53] <t3chguy> nope
[10:53] <superbia> heh
[10:54] <[Saint]> It has its own thermal management.
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[10:54] <t3chguy> I've stuck a heatsink on mine for Aesthetics, it probably drops a few Cs, but its not needed
[10:54] <t3chguy> if you want to cool it, then sure it'd be useful, but there's no NEED
[10:54] <[Saint]> You don't need to give a crap about heat until past 85C
[10:54] <superbia> to tell you something about the load, i use round 5% of c2d @2.4ghz
[10:54] <[Saint]> which it'll probably never reach
[10:54] <[Saint]> think of it like a mobile phone.
[10:54] <[Saint]> your phone needs no additional cooling.
[10:54] <[Saint]> neither does it.
[10:55] <t3chguy> superbia: thats not very related, since the load on an ARM Chip will be completely different
[10:55] <superbia> ok then what data can i give?
[10:55] <t3chguy> load vs idle is all we can give
[10:55] <superbia> i plan to use archarm+ratpoison+chromium+emacs
[10:55] <[Saint]> Basically none that will translate.
[10:55] <t3chguy> superbia: that probably won't exceed half-load
[10:55] <superbia> +mpd+some other server stuff
[10:55] <t3chguy> with the occasional pings up to full load
[10:55] <superbia> how about the chromium
[10:55] <t3chguy> so I'd say you're looking at around 50Cs
[10:56] <superbia> can the chromium play youtube?
[10:56] <t3chguy> also depends on your ambient temps
[10:56] <t3chguy> I'm not sure if Chromium supports Hardware Acceleration for RPi
[10:56] <superbia> my room is around 32C
[10:56] <t3chguy> but omxplayer can play 1080p 60FPS with ease
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[10:57] <[Saint]> As for YouTube, by and large, no, 'cos...flash.
[10:57] <t3chguy> [Saint]: youtube has a HTML5 player...
[10:57] <superbia> got it
[10:57] <t3chguy> https://www.youtube.com/html5?gl=GB
[10:57] <superbia> flash couses i7s to choke
[10:58] <[Saint]> t3chguy: Oh, yeah, right - so they do - has that rolled out to all yet?
[10:58] <Berg> not all [Saint]
[10:58] <nid0> the html player is even the default these days
[10:58] <[Saint]> I just pip youtube-dl to omxplayer
[10:58] <[Saint]> *pipe
[10:58] <Berg> i use html5 on firefox
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[10:59] <[Saint]> But YouTube is just one of the potential issues here. You WILL encounter flash on the web in the wild.
[10:59] <[Saint]> At the point...well...the pi is not your friend.
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[11:00] <superbia> ye
[11:00] <Sisco_> Berg: yes I see line 18, it works fine configured as is when the smtp is not with the web server code
[11:00] <superbia> how about non-flash sites
[11:00] <Berg> by the way you can use gmail to sent emaiuls via python
[11:00] <[Saint]> If you have a very limited subset of web use cases that never make use of flash, then, go for it.
[11:00] <superbia> how much tabs can i have opened
[11:00] <Berg> https://rajivpandit.wordpress.com/2013/09/19/how-to-send-email-by-python/
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[11:00] <Berg> Sisco_:
[11:01] <Berg> i use that for emails
[11:01] <Berg> you can use a web form to load it
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[11:01] <t3chguy> [Saint]: if you want to watch 1080pDASH you can't use omxplayer to stream it
[11:01] <Sisco_> thank you although i don't want to change protocols
[11:01] <t3chguy> as DASH seperates audio and video
[11:01] <Sisco_> methods
[11:02] <Berg> sure
[11:02] <Sisco_> my current email method is working perfectly fine, until I combine the code with the web server code
[11:02] <Sisco_> I want to resolve the issue that is caused after combining the working email code with the working web server code
[11:02] <Berg> well if it works stand alone then there is a blockage from the web server yes Sisco_ ?
[11:02] <[Saint]> t3chguy: well, FWIW, you can't use omxplayer to stream anything from youtube at all...
[11:02] <Sisco_> yes that is what I think
[11:02] <[Saint]> unless you have a different definition of stream than I do.
[11:02] <t3chguy> you can [Saint]
[11:02] <t3chguy> stream as in play without download
[11:02] <t3chguy> You can stream the audio OR the video
[11:02] <t3chguy> just not both at the same time
[11:03] <superbia> is windows 10 arm free ?
[11:03] <Berg> so put debug prints in it and see where its failing
[11:03] <[Saint]> AFAIK. It downloads it locally, then plays it, then discards it.
[11:03] <Berg> sius
[11:03] <Berg> Sisco_:
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[11:03] <Berg> at what point it stops working
[11:03] <t3chguy> [Saint]: no way would my connection download a 2 hour long 720p file in 1s
[11:04] <t3chguy> superbia: Windows 10 IoT is free, yes
[11:04] <[Saint]> t3chguy: the stream doesn't need to be complete for playback to commence
[11:04] <t3chguy> well yes, buffering, which is a part of STREAMING
[11:04] <t3chguy> not downloading a file and then playing it
[11:04] <[Saint]> it's pedantic, sure, but it doesn't meet my definition of streaming.
[11:05] <t3chguy> whats your definition
[11:05] <[Saint]> In this context, not having to have the header info for playback.
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[11:12] <t3chguy> Gadgetoid: 3mm white-ish perspex light diffuser arrived and is pretty neat, might wait and get it laser cut instead of cutting and needing to sand it loads
[11:12] <Sisco_> Berg: line 120 connection failed
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[11:14] <Berg> if(smtpclient.connect(smtpserver,port) == 1)
[11:14] <Berg> thats saying its not connecting to the line 18 address
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[11:15] <Berg> if it works stand alone your conflict maybe the webserver is using the port?
[11:15] <Berg> Sisco_:
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[11:15] <Berg> or blocking it
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[11:16] <superbia> anyone here german?
[11:16] <superbia> is this a legit pi http://www.ebay.de/itm/Raspberry-Pi-2-Modell-B-Neuste-Version-Quad-Core-Prozessor-1GB-RAM-/191637219918?hash=item2c9e77ea4e ?
[11:17] <t3chguy> looks legit
[11:17] <t3chguy> but there's no way to tell if what the seller is advertising is the same as what he ships
[11:18] <Berg> I only buy raspbery pi 2 from there agents it costs the same anyway
[11:18] <t3chguy> I bought mine at RS-Electronics
[11:18] <Berg> yes
[11:18] <Berg> me too
[11:18] <t3chguy> lol
[11:18] <t3chguy> HUKD got me a 20% off code :P
[11:18] <brod> it doesn't say otherwise, but somewhat broken german language..
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[11:19] <Berg> well i never gots one them but i bought two cause i felkt good
[11:19] <brod> 7/10 would trust
[11:19] <Berg> why not use the official agent for germany?
[11:20] <Berg> fairly sure it will cost the same
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[11:40] <superbia> what agent??
[11:40] <t3chguy> EXP GmbH (Germany)
[11:40] <t3chguy> Pollin (Germany)
[11:40] <t3chguy> Watterott electronic GmbH (Germany)
[11:40] <t3chguy> any of those 3
[11:40] <t3chguy> http://farnell.com/raspberrypi-consumer/approved-retailers.php
[11:40] <Berg> local agents web sites that selll raspberry pi they are listed on the piu site
[11:41] <Berg> and that link
[11:41] <Berg> approved means its a real pi not a china fake
[11:41] <t3chguy> well
[11:41] <superbia> well
[11:41] <t3chguy> there are real China ones too
[11:42] <Berg> i just farted wish you all had smellnet
[11:42] <t3chguy> the red edition
[11:42] <superbia> or this one http://www.ebay.de/itm/Raspberry-Pi-2-Model-B-Quadcore-CPU-1GB-RAM-Windows-10-ARM-kompatibel-NEU-OVP-/281671886848?hash=item4194f3e800
[11:42] <superbia> dhl
[11:42] <Berg> :)
[11:42] <superbia> i get it in 3 days
[11:42] <superbia> but higher price
[11:42] <Berg> windolws
[11:42] <t3chguy> Again, since its eBay there is no way to be 100% sure its genuine
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[11:42] <Berg> windows?
[11:42] <superbia> well the OVP says so
[11:42] <NedScott> I don't think it's possible to actually make a fake pi
[11:43] <Berg> i still prefer to get the real deal you need to get back what you put in
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[11:43] <ShorTie> ya, Broadcom isn't passing out the SoC's very friendly
[11:43] <Berg> its honest way
[11:44] <NedScott> all you can get are people who are reselling real Pis
[11:44] <t3chguy> plus the official retailers tend to not be overpriced
[11:44] <t3chguy> and they donate back to the foundation
[11:44] <NedScott> yeah, but it's still a real pi, so the foundation already got the money at one point
[11:44] <superbia> ok how many watt is a raspi at full load
[11:44] <t3chguy> yeah but its best to get it earlier in the chain
[11:45] <NedScott> for.. freshness?
[11:45] <t3chguy> superbia: it depends on your peripherals
[11:45] <t3chguy> NedScott: for savings, so you save on the markup
[11:45] <NedScott> ah, fair point
[11:45] <t3chguy> superbia: the Pi itself, uses about 700mA, so depending your power supply
[11:45] <superbia> wow
[11:45] <t3chguy> 5-5.25 * 0.7
[11:48] <Berg> hmm mine came in a element 14 box
[11:48] <Berg> cool
[11:48] <t3chguy> mine came in an RS-Components box
[11:48] <Berg> i musta got mine from element 14
[11:48] <t3chguy> lol
[11:48] <Berg> i got one i mangled from rs
[11:49] <Berg> the second 2 i got from 14
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[11:50] <Berg> that one on the web is a rs box http://www.ebay.de/itm/Raspberry-Pi-2-Model-B-Quadcore-CPU-1GB-RAM-Windows-10-ARM-kompatibel-NEU-OVP-/281671886848?hash=item4194f3e800
[11:51] <Berg> i thought they was spose to be 25 quid?
[11:51] <Berg> is that 39 euro?
[11:51] <t3chguy> buying it from a reseller will obviously result in mark-up
[11:51] <t3chguy> they probably buy from RS, and then sell it on, they're gonna want profit
[11:52] <t3chguy> £25 is €35
[11:52] <Berg> ooo
[11:52] <Berg> yes
[11:52] <Berg> they will
[11:52] <teclo-> yeah
[11:53] <Berg> whats 43 aussie dollars in quid?
[11:53] <teclo-> I ordered one from RS, but they didn't sell it to me
[11:53] <t3chguy> £20.59
[11:53] <Berg> realy
[11:53] <Berg> thats how much i paid for pi
[11:53] <Berg> thats from rs
[11:54] <Berg> from 14 it was 48 dollars with aussie gst
[11:54] <t3chguy> yeah but thats because it doesn't have VAT
[11:54] <Berg> sales tax
[11:54] <Berg> whats vat?
[11:54] <Berg> tax?
[11:54] <t3chguy> 20.59 *1.2 (British TAX/VAT) is 24.71
[11:54] <Berg> ha ok
[11:55] <t3chguy> so in the end it comes pretty close to £25 again
[11:55] <Berg> well with tax here its 48 dollarsa
[11:55] <Berg> yeah
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[11:55] <Berg> ok works for me
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[11:56] <Berg> seems fair that the cost is the same here as there
[11:56] <Berg> i like it
[11:57] <Berg> you all should install warzone on your PI and play
[11:57] <Berg> hehehe
[11:57] <Berg> it runs at about 1 frame per second
[11:57] <Berg> too slowq
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[12:12] <Master47> Hello! I've got a warning on setting a GPIO pin as output on my RPi Model A+: RuntimeWarning: A physical pull up resistor is fitted on this channel!
[12:12] <Master47> Ok, it is pin number 2 and is intended to be used for other purposes, right?
[12:13] <Master47> Can I ignore this warning when using the pin for a transistor?
[12:13] <t3chguy> BCM 2?
[12:13] <t3chguy> i.e Physical Pin 3?
[12:14] <t3chguy> Pin 2 can mean one of 3 things
[12:14] <t3chguy> Physical, BCM or Wiring Pin numbers
[12:14] <Master47> GP2
[12:14] <Master47> BCM mode, yes
[12:14] <t3chguy> BCM 2 is the IC2 Data pin
[12:14] <Master47> I am using wirping pi with Python and in the BCM mode
[12:15] <t3chguy> http://pi.gadgetoid.com/pinout/pin3_gpio2
[12:15] <Master47> Cool, thanks for the link, bookmarked it.
[12:15] <t3chguy> Gadgetoid's wonderful creation :P
[12:16] <Master47> Ok, so there should not be a problem I guess.
[12:16] <t3chguy> should not be a problem
[12:16] <Master47> Thank you :D
[12:16] <t3chguy> the warning suggests that when the Pin isn't in use that it'll default to a Logic Level of 1 though
[12:16] <Master47> Ahhh, okay
[12:16] <t3chguy> thats the function of a Pull-up resistor
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[12:18] <Master47> Ahhhhh, that's why there is no point in doing GPIO.output(...) on this one :D
[12:18] <Master47> Just tested it :D
[12:18] <Master47> I am trying to drive 4x 7 segment displays hehe
[12:18] <t3chguy> well, there's a point in GPIO.output to set it to LOW (i.e a 0)
[12:18] <Master47> But then again, hmmmmm
[12:19] <Master47> right!
[12:19] <Master47> sec
[12:19] <t3chguy> probably best using unreserved pins to be fair
[12:19] <t3chguy> especially if you ever get a HAT that uses that IC2 pin
[12:19] <Master47> Thing is, all are used up now :D
[12:19] <t3chguy> hahaha
[12:19] <t3chguy> You could get a shift register
[12:19] <t3chguy> then you could run all 4 7 segment displays from 2 pins
[12:19] <Master47> Wow
[12:19] <Master47> I need 12 pins right now, yes
[12:20] <Master47> But I am only in the beginning of writing the code.
[12:20] <t3chguy> You'd basically, VERY VERY QUICKLY shift the 0s and 1s into the register using a Data and Clock line
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[12:20] <t3chguy> I think I saw an example video explaining it by Sandy yesterday, gimme a sec
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[12:20] <t3chguy> http://sandyjmacdonald.github.io/2015/06/25/shift-register/
[12:20] <Master47> Uhm, ok! You know, thanks, I have to read and learn about this.
[12:21] <t3chguy> Master47: take a look at that video, I've not seen it myself but Sandy seems like a cool guy
[12:21] <Master47> Thanks a lot, bookmarked aswell
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[12:42] <Master47> Ok, looking good for one segment on each 7-segment displays :D
[12:42] <Master47> I have 4x 2n 3904 transistors, and I use 150k ohm resistors for the base
[12:43] <Master47> Lol, not sure if I have calculated the value correctly, but it seems to work hehe
[12:43] <t3chguy> lol
[12:43] <t3chguy> the worst that happens is you get magic smoke
[12:43] <Master47> I have looked at a few tutorials that explain how to calculate the resistor value
[12:43] <Master47> :D yes
[12:43] <t3chguy> why do you need transistors anyway
[12:43] <t3chguy> aren't the 7-seg displays LED?
[12:44] <Master47> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_nCNXY98qyE
[12:44] <Master47> this is quite good :D
[12:44] <t3chguy> LEDs should be able to be ran directly from the Pi
[12:44] <Master47> Yes they are, but I want to multiplex later
[12:44] <Master47> :D
[12:44] <Master47> I'd like to build a speedmeter for my bike
[12:44] <t3chguy> instead of multiplexing, look into the register
[12:45] <t3chguy> shift registers are inexpensive
[12:45] <t3chguy> and you can get a bit enough one to run like all 4 of your 7-segment displays just off 2 pins
[12:45] <t3chguy> s/bit/big/
[12:45] <Master47> oh, ok
[12:45] <Master47> coool
[12:45] <t3chguy> multiplexing would mean that you need to flash the LEDs at a high frequency
[12:45] <Master47> that is nice indeed, there are many wires lol
[12:45] <t3chguy> which will make them a little dimmer too
[12:45] <Master47> yeah
[12:45] <t3chguy> due to the PWM effect
[12:46] <t3chguy> whereas a shift register will keep them powered until your pi sends a signal of 0 into the cell
[12:46] <Master47> nice, ok, can you recommend me a shift-register?
[12:46] <t3chguy> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Quad-Shift-Register-Breakout-Board-74HC595-Arduino-Picaxe-Raspberry-Pi-/271945294937?hash=item3f5133e459
[12:47] <t3chguy> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Dual-7-segment-breakout-board-for-Raspberry-Pi-Model-A-B-LED-shift-register-/271933256560?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&var=570770274837&hash=item3f507c3370
[12:47] <t3chguy> those are two kits you could use for learning purposes
[12:47] <t3chguy> 4 displays, so 28 bits of values
[12:48] <t3chguy> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/25Pcs-SN74HC595N-74HC595-IC-8-Bit-Shift-Register-DIP-16-TEXAS-Circuit-w-Pins-UK-/251740648530?hash=item3a9ce97452
[12:48] <t3chguy> those are some cheap 8 bit ones
[12:48] <Master47> Thanks a lot; those will probably be included in my next purchase.
[12:49] <Master47> I just wanted to learn about multiplexing, then I move on.
[12:49] <t3chguy> multiplexing is great, don't get me wrong
[12:49] <t3chguy> but when it has to be used
[12:50] <t3chguy> like when you have an X-Y grid of LEDs
[12:50] <t3chguy> like an LED Matrix that's router in X-Y mode
[12:50] <t3chguy> in X-Y you can only shine a single LED per row/column individually, so multiplexing them is required
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[12:52] <Master47> yes, you are right
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[12:55] <Lina> o/
[12:55] <Master47> Hello Lina !
[12:56] <AirForce590> Hello Master47 and Lina
[12:57] <AirForce590> Say, who is Dave_spice
[12:57] <AirForce590> (don't want to ping him)
[12:57] <t3chguy> He's a Raspberry Foundation guy
[12:57] <AirForce590> Oh, cool!
[12:57] <t3chguy> https://www.raspberrypi.org/blog/welcome-dave/
[12:58] <t3chguy> https://twitter.com/dave_spice
[12:58] <AirForce590> Cool, thanks!!! He seems like a cool guy
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[12:59] <AirForce590> Has anyone tried to run Arch Linux on the Pi? I run it on both my computers, but does it work on the ARM?
[12:59] <t3chguy> yeah it does
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[12:59] <t3chguy> NOOBS has an Arch installer
[13:00] <AirForce590> cool, but is it buggy?
[13:00] <t3chguy> I've not used it
[13:00] <t3chguy> just know it exists
[13:00] <t3chguy> if its in NOOBS, I doubt its buggy
[13:00] <AirForce590> Does it work? What can the Raspberry Pi run in terms of DEs and stuff
[13:00] <t3chguy> since NOOBS is made for noobs who'd stuggle with bugs
[13:00] <t3chguy> again, they don't put broken things in NOOBS
[13:01] <t3chguy> And I've had KDE Plasma 5 running on my RPi2 before
[13:01] <t3chguy> I consider that to be one of the heaviest DE's
[13:01] <AirForce590> noobs would have a hard time with arch, especially if they have'nt used linux
[13:01] <AirForce590> t3chguy, You're right, it's what I run on my battlestation and laptop
[13:02] <t3chguy> it didn't run badly at all
[13:02] <pbase> I have just received my pi2. I donot have a hdmi display or a usb keyboard at the moment. how should I proceed?
[13:02] <t3chguy> I do run Mate daily though on my Pi
[13:02] <t3chguy> pbase: you can't do most setups headless
[13:02] <AirForce590> pbase, SSH!!!
[13:02] <t3chguy> you need to configure SSH before you can use it
[13:02] <t3chguy> AirForce590: SSH has to be enabled before it can be used
[13:02] <pbase> vnc?
[13:03] <pbase> I have a laptop
[13:03] <AirForce590> t3chguy, HOLD ON, FINDING AN ARTICLE
[13:03] <AirForce590> whoops capslock sorry
[13:03] <t3chguy> VNC can't be ran without being installed first
[13:03] <AirForce590> I realize that, but you can find an image with ssh enabled by default
[13:03] <t3chguy> Sure, yeah
[13:03] <AirForce590> and then install tightvnc through ssh
[13:03] <t3chguy> but if you want decent support,
[13:03] <t3chguy> you'd go with Raspbian
[13:03] <t3chguy> where its disabled by default
[13:04] <pbase> why would they do that? :O
[13:04] <t3chguy> something about broken host key generation
[13:04] <AirForce590> pbase, https://learn.adafruit.com/the-adafruit-raspberry-pi-finder/overview
[13:04] <AirForce590> nice software
[13:05] <AirForce590> puts ssh on raspbian and finds it on the network, idiot-proof
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[13:05] <pbase> have anyone used it a full bitcoin node?
[13:05] <AirForce590> Just make sure to try ethernet
[13:05] <AirForce590> pbase, You probably want an asic for that
[13:05] <t3chguy> lol you want to bitcoin mine on a RPi?
[13:05] <AirForce590> pbase, You probably want an asic for that
[13:05] <pbase> not mine. a full node
[13:05] <t3chguy> You'd get like one BTC by the time you die
[13:06] <AirForce590> pbase, IDK what that is
[13:06] <AirForce590> look it up
[13:06] <t3chguy> http://n-o-d-e.net/post/115030545546/how-to-build-a-bitcoin-node-on-the-raspberry-pi-2
[13:06] <pbase> just helping the network
[13:06] <pbase> cool thanks t3chguy
[13:07] <AirForce590> pbase, but try adafruit's tutorial first so you can get SSH up
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[13:09] <Master47> Hello AirForce590!
[13:09] <Master47> Multiplexing works for one pin t3chguy =D =D
[13:09] <Master47> You know how happy that makes me? :D
[13:09] <Master47> hehehe
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[13:09] <pbase> AirForce590: thanks. but won't be using it. will find a display first
[13:09] <Master47> so, a time.sleep( 0.006) is enough :D
[13:11] <Master47> ok, time to do some errands and do the laundry, see you guys later :]
[13:11] <AirForce590> Master47, Hello!
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[13:12] <AirForce590> Just received my new rpi 2, I'm going to make a robot off it
[13:15] <SpeedEvil> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VXa9tXcMhXQ
[13:16] <AirForce590> SpeedEvil, starts off a little slow but I like it
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[13:23] <AirForce590> SpeedEvil, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rSMY2CVjCZA
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[13:26] <AirForce590> Hi there SocialBlunder
[13:26] <SpeedEvil> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hM0JREzrbAw - legged robots are cool
[13:26] <AirForce590> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYKgHa8hH1k
[13:27] <AirForce590> Mine's going to have wheels though
[13:27] <AirForce590> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VHqbbCOpmUQ
[13:28] <SpeedEvil> And yes - boston dynamics one is shinier, but can't eat trees
[13:29] <AirForce590> SpeedEvil, that is correct. Cna't wait for the sweet DARPA challenge
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[13:33] <AirForce590> Ok,so on this schematic: https://raw.githubusercontent.com/RyRutD/555-Synthesizer-Kit/master/schematic.png would I be I be able to remove the 7805 and replace the 555 with a CMOS version?
[13:33] <AirForce590> Therefore, I could run it off 2 AAs instead of a 9v
[13:34] <AirForce590> Whoops, meant to say in ##electronics
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[14:15] <superbia> ok... ordered the pi 2
[14:15] <superbia> now what else do i need for it
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[14:17] <Lina> power supply, SD card, SD card reader
[14:18] <[Saint]> Lubricant.
[14:18] <[Saint]> A cat.
[14:18] <[Saint]> Rubber cement.
[14:19] <[Saint]> And a good lawyer.
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[14:19] <Lina> if you're running Kali yeah a good lawyer :)
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[14:33] <superbia> hm
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[14:33] <superbia> i have a powered usb hub
[14:33] <superbia> so i only really need a wifi dongle
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[14:34] <t3chguy> superbia: make sure its not a cheap USB Hub which Backpowers the Host, as this can fry your RPi
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[14:36] <superbia> hm
[14:37] <superbia> is there a best buy dongle you suggest?
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[14:37] <t3chguy> the branded one?
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[14:38] <t3chguy> http://shop.pimoroni.com/products/official-raspberry-pi-wifi-dongle
[14:38] <t3chguy> can't go wrong with official
[14:38] <superbia> i have this hub http://s35.photobucket.com/user/adrianfoo2003/media/Random%20Blog%20Pix/22Feb10_1.jpg.html
[14:39] <t3chguy> should be fine, if not, to fix it, its literally cutting one cable within the USB Cable between Pi and Hub
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[14:40] <superbia> so let me clarify
[14:41] <superbia> i can use that hub both to power the pi, and to use it as a normal hub?
[14:41] <t3chguy> if you backpower the pi then there is no overpower protection
[14:41] <t3chguy> as the pi is not designed to be powered as such
[14:41] <Encrypt> superbia, It's possible, sure
[14:42] <t3chguy> and with the RPi2 you can't boot purely on Backpower
[14:42] <Encrypt> superbia, Have a look: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/19626172/RPi.jpg
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[14:42] <Encrypt> The "Icy Dock station" powers a had drive and a USB 3 hub
[14:43] <Encrypt> I have connected to this hub 2 USB keys and a wire goes from the hub to the power input of the Pi
[14:43] <t3chguy> again, you wouldn't be able to boot the pi with that setup if it was a 2
[14:43] <Encrypt> Another USB cable goes from one of the USB ports of the pi to the "data" port of the Icy Dock
[14:44] <Encrypt> t3chguy, It depends on the power output capabilities
[14:44] <t3chguy> Encrypt: nope, the RPi2 can't be backpowered until post-boot
[14:44] <[Saint]> the pi 2 is electrically protected against backfeeding afaik.
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[14:44] <t3chguy> exactly
[14:45] <Encrypt> t3chguy, I mean powered from the "normal" power input
[14:45] <Encrypt> That's what I have done here
[14:45] <[Saint]> what I mean is, it doesn't skip overvoltage protection from what I know, so it's no longer "unsafe" to backfeed.
[14:45] <[Saint]> not that it isn't allowed, it is.
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[14:45] <[Saint]> just to be clear, not sure if I was.
[14:46] <t3chguy> [Saint]: if it was safe then you'd be able to boot using backfeeding
[14:46] <t3chguy> but backfeeding is unable to start a pi, only keep it alive
[14:46] <Encrypt> Are the schematics of the Pi 2 available btw?
[14:46] <[Saint]> sure
[14:46] <Encrypt> To have a look at how it has been designed :)
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[14:47] <superbia> in still waitind
[14:47] <superbia> g for advice :)
[14:48] <[Saint]> other than the discussion that just happened you mean?
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[14:50] <superbia> my raspi power is very weak
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[14:50] <superbia> i only know 5v is provided via usb, and nothing more
[14:51] <t3chguy> a phone charger maybe?
[14:51] <t3chguy> or USB3.0 would be better
[14:51] <[Saint]> iPad/iPhone 2A wall-warts are cheap as hell.
[14:51] <t3chguy> watch out for the dangerous fakes though
[14:52] <[Saint]> and really solid/low noise.
[14:52] <[Saint]> well, yeah - I don't buy them online or whatever, I get them in bulk from pawn shops and second hand stores.
[14:52] <superbia> whaths the fuss
[14:53] <[Saint]> your local pawn shop will have a huge box of assorted chargers, guaranteed.
[14:53] <superbia> no pawn shops in europe
[14:53] <t3chguy> USB on a computer is often limited to like 100/200/500 mA
[14:53] <t3chguy> United Kingdom is in Europe and it has the equivelant of Pawn Shops
[14:53] * [Saint] is /pretty/ sure that "no pawn shops in Europe" is a massive fallacy.
[14:53] <[Saint]> In fact, I'm positive of it.
[14:53] <[Saint]> But, hey, whatevs.
[14:54] <superbia> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zr-BFuAii6g
[14:54] <superbia> i have this exact one
[14:54] <superbia> 5v 1a usb trafo
[14:55] <superbia> that connects to a hub
[14:55] <superbia> see video
[14:55] <ant_thomas> Never actually thought of going to pawn shops/2nd hand/charity shops to look for power supplies. Might give that a go
[14:55] <t3chguy> so it means that your USB Peripherals can use up to 1000mA
[14:55] <t3chguy> you'll still need a Pi power supply
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[14:56] <[Saint]> ant_thomas: at least in my neck of the woods they're a gold mine.
[14:56] <superbia> i was thinking to just use 1 of 4 of the hub ports and plug that into PI
[14:56] <[Saint]> also, iPods.
[14:56] <t3chguy> superbia: 1A won't last you much
[14:56] <t3chguy> Pi and a keyboard maybe
[14:56] <t3chguy> WiFi Adapters use around 500mA
[14:56] <[Saint]> at full broadcast, which is like...never.
[14:57] <[Saint]> it'll brown out if you connect it while running, but if you boot with the adapter in place 1A should be fine.
[14:58] <superbia> ok ok wait
[14:58] <superbia> i have a wish to buy a 1w wifi dongle
[14:58] <ant_thomas> [Saint]: definitely a good idea, I don't like buying cheap power supplies.....but genuine supplies are very overpriced!
[14:58] <[Saint]> ant_thomas: indeed so.
[14:59] <superbia> so i might just use the logitech hub for it, and all the peripherals
[14:59] <ant_thomas> Micro USB cables too, still haven't found a reliable cheap source. Just had two "noodle" usb cables arrive today to test
[14:59] <[Saint]> ant_thomas: can you solder?
[14:59] <superbia> my motorola phone charger is 850ma
[14:59] <superbia> so that could be used for pi only
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[15:00] <ant_thomas> It's bad when you get excited to find a genuine decent HTC usb cable still in the phone box from a few years back
[15:00] <ant_thomas> [Saint]: fairly confident
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[15:00] <superbia> should portable battery packs be good for powering the pi?
[15:00] <[Saint]> ant_thomas: ~100 bare USB ends and a spool of 4-core 18AWG wire will cost you around ~$30
[15:00] <SpeedEvil> superbia: In principle, sure
[15:00] <[Saint]> then you've got 50 cables of arbitrary length.
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[15:01] * [Saint] is electrically frugal
[15:01] <SpeedEvil> superbia: they will not typically power and charge at teh same time
[15:01] <t3chguy> the "official" RPi supply is only £7
[15:02] <superbia> 7 is alot man
[15:02] <ant_thomas> [Saint] I might look into that
[15:03] <ant_thomas> t3chguy: it's really bad but I consider £7 to be expensive for a power supply. I guess I've been spoilt by buying 99p electronics from China for too long
[15:03] <t3chguy> I've never trusted anything I plug directly into the mains directly from China though
[15:03] <[Saint]> I suspect that is very much not true
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[15:04] <[Saint]> else you wouldn;t be able to use a MASSIVE majority of electronics. :)
[15:04] <t3chguy> thats why I said directly from China
[15:04] <[Saint]> Why does the assembly locale make it relevant?
[15:05] <superbia> £4.50 the official psu
[15:05] <[Saint]> "Made in the USA" is just "Assembled in the USA from Chinese components" 90% of the time
[15:05] <t3chguy> I have a trust for the larger manufacturers that trust their suppliers whereas I don't individually trust the suppliers
[15:07] <[Saint]> A massive bulk of electronics is just assembled from mass produced chinese components that are electrically tested on a pin grid array or so and briefly visually inspected.
[15:07] <superbia> does RS ship for free in EU ?
[15:07] <[Saint]> It's pretty much all comin' from the same place.
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[15:08] <SpeedEvil> [Saint]: sure - but the issue is QC and design.
[15:08] <SpeedEvil> The factory it's made in doesn't matter.
[15:08] <[Saint]> ^ precisely
[15:09] <SpeedEvil> The fact that someones actually designed it to be safe - while spending the money to ensure that - and QC to ensure corners aren't skipped and testing and ... means that stuff produced for major western vendors and sold directly by them is generally quite safe.
[15:09] <[Saint]> USA/EU/etc. all make crappy componentry too - it's not like it's China's sole sphere of influence.
[15:09] <t3chguy> I ordered a very nice Spectrum Analyzer from china the other day
[15:09] <t3chguy> £50
[15:09] <[Saint]> It's just decades of successful propaganda.
[15:10] <t3chguy> can't wait for that to arrive
[15:10] <SpeedEvil> The very same factory and designer may also be producing similar looking USB chargers for one pound, which are lethal.
[15:10] <SpeedEvil> It is usual in the 99p chargers for mains to be seperated from the 5V output by one thin layer of tape, applied without much care.
[15:11] <SpeedEvil> That's neglecting the fact that a '1A' charger may often not provide 1A.
[15:11] <[Saint]> for fun in the "sheilding and gap spacing that can easily kill you" arena, look at LED and halogen downlights.
[15:11] <ant_thomas> And also be very noisy
[15:12] <[Saint]> If you ever want to get genuinely scared by a product, pull apart a large majority of LED downlighting.
[15:12] <SpeedEvil> [Saint]: Well - yes - downlights are a rather different category - as you're generally not touching them when on
[15:12] <SpeedEvil> Chargers you are
[15:12] <[Saint]> like ~1mm and a piece of crappy cellotape between you and 240V
[15:12] <t3chguy> 240V ain't too bad to be fair
[15:13] <[Saint]> it is when that arc burns your house down with you in it while you sleep. ;)
[15:13] <ant_thomas> Turn your lights off at night ;)
[15:13] <[Saint]> and like _no one_ has arc protected RCDs installed.
[15:13] <[Saint]> Hell, building code here means you only need 1 on each rail. :/
[15:14] <[Saint]> Building code a lot of other places need no RCDs.
[15:14] <[Saint]> Let alone arc sensinsing ones.
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[15:20] <superbia> hmm what is the process of installing archarm?
[15:22] <superbia> i do everything on my i686 pc, then just put the card in a pi and it works ?
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[15:37] <[Saint]> superbia: http://archlinuxarm.org/platforms/armv6/raspberry-pi (pi A/B(2|+)) or http://archlinuxarm.org/platforms/armv7/broadcom/raspberry-pi-2 (rpi 2)
[15:37] <t3chguy> or be lazy and just drop NOOBS onto your SD Card
[15:38] <t3chguy> it can install Arch
[15:38] <[Saint]> that won't do you any good for Arch
[15:38] <superbia> yep
[15:38] <superbia> il try installing the arch soon, im expecting the pi to come in round 3-4 days from germany
[15:38] <[Saint]> Didn't NOOBS support for Arch stop when they stopped providing "real" images?
[15:39] <t3chguy> [Saint]: I tried NOOBS lite 6 days ago and it had Arch listed
[15:39] <[Saint]> RPF no longer links their images, as they don't exist, so I assumed...but, hmmm, that's interesting.
[15:40] <[Saint]> superbia: note that you'll need a *nix-like OS to perform an Arch install if you use the guide linked above
[15:41] <[Saint]> as it makes use of fdisk, mkfs, and xzcat which don't have simple or easy $other_OS alternatives
[15:41] <[Saint]> oh, sorry - bsdtar, not xzcat.
[15:41] <[Saint]> either way, Windows isn't gonna do it.
[15:43] <superbia> Linux
[15:43] <superbia> 4.1.4-1-ARCH
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[17:27] <AirForce590> So, I'm thinking about selling a 555 timer synth learn-to-solder kit. Is anyone interested? https://github.com/RyRutD/555-Synthesizer-Kit
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[17:34] <Master47> Ok, I've managed to get the multiplexing working.
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[17:46] <t3chguy> Gadgetoid: I just manufactured a piece of acrylic to fit ontop of my Unicorn with the help of my trusty dremel haha
[17:46] <Gadgetoid> t3chguy: dremel's cut it pretty well if you're careful
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[17:46] <Gadgetoid> dremels even!
[17:46] <t3chguy> its not as bad as I thought it'd be
[17:47] <t3chguy> not perfectly smooth but its going to be inside my Foundation case so it won't be seen much
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[17:47] <t3chguy> I'm surprised both a Unicorn and a 3mm sheet of acrylic fit in this case xD
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[17:47] <t3chguy> also, I might stick some of my spare heatsinks onto the bottom of the unicorn to help it cool off HAahahaha
[17:47] <Gadgetoid> I'm surprised the Pi fits in that case :D
[17:47] <t3chguy> Hahaha
[17:47] <t3chguy> its not a bad case
[17:47] <t3chguy> not as cool as a PiBow though
[17:48] <t3chguy> I wish I had seen the PiBow prior to buying this case
[17:48] <t3chguy> no point me having two
[17:48] <Gadgetoid> Why so many heatsinks, do you shop at PiHut? Hur hur hur
[17:48] <t3chguy> lol no
[17:48] <t3chguy> bought some evercool RAM heatsinks
[17:48] <t3chguy> perfect size for the Duo's SoC
[17:48] <t3chguy> I like the look of them so its mostly for aesthetics, it barely gets warm lol
[17:49] <t3chguy> they come in packs of 8
[17:49] <Gadgetoid> They do look kinda cool, but only cobalt blue ones
[17:49] <t3chguy> hell yeah
[17:49] <t3chguy> but these aren't blue
[17:49] <t3chguy> unfortunately couldn't find 20x20 in blue
[17:49] <Master47> hey guys, do you happen to have a link to a tutorial that shows how use BCM pins 14 and 15 as GPIO pins? :)
[17:49] <Master47> I used them for a serial connection, but it is not needed anymore.
[17:50] <Master47> lol t3echguy, I've got two more GPIO pins left haha
[17:50] <Gadgetoid> Master47: not sure if you even need to disable serial, what in; Python?
[17:50] <Master47> Yup, need to use them in Python.
[17:51] <Gadgetoid> Tried just setting them up in RPi.GPIO like any other pin?
[17:51] <Master47> I got a warning saying the channel is already in use.
[17:51] <Gadgetoid> You can probably just ignore that
[17:51] <Gadgetoid> Or disable your serial terminal to be sure
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[17:51] <Master47> oh, yes, that was it I think Gadgetoid.
[17:51] <Gadgetoid> I think raspi-config has an option for that now
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[17:51] <Master47> I will check
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[17:53] <Master47> You are right, it has. Just did it. Thanks for the tip. I am planning to connect a magnet reed switch to it. Currently, I am not using any resistors for my other buttons, but some people use resistors for buttons. Would you use one?
[17:54] <Gadgetoid> You shouldn't *need* a resistor for a button- your Pi can pull the pin up weakly to +5V and the button should sink the pin to ground
[17:54] <Master47> I found this tutorial which does not use one for a magnetic reed switch, just a GPIO pin and a ground pin.
[17:54] <Master47> http://blog.initialstate.com/pi-for-kids-door-sensor/
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[17:55] <Master47> ok
[17:55] <Gadgetoid> A ~200Ohm resistor or something could be useful for preventing any accidental damage if you set the pin to an output and short it directly to ground... but in reality I've never managed to do any damage doing that
[17:56] <Master47> hehe, okay. Maybe I'll do it yeah, just to be on the safe-side.
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[18:32] <fluffet> I ssh to my rpi from multiple pc's. When several pc's see the same screen (like irssi) this fucks it up for all of them. Is there any way to make sure that when I log in from a new computer, the old user is logged out?
[18:32] <fluffet> or well, by old user, i mean "older connection"
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[18:34] <toomin> Or you can use Screen.
[18:34] <fluffet> I am using tmux
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[18:34] <fluffet> but when displaying the same tmux window at the same time from multiple computers, i get a weird bunch of alignment characters everywhere because the terminals are different sizes
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[18:53] <t3chguy> Gadgetoid: didn't come out to plan
[18:53] <t3chguy> almost killed a unicorn
[18:54] <t3chguy> will definitely be looking at PiBow's if this case gets any worse
[18:54] <t3chguy> but in the end
[18:54] <t3chguy> my Unicorn is diffused
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[18:57] <Master47> k, reed switch works aswell. You have a unicorn robot? :D
[18:57] <t3chguy> Unicorn HAT
[18:57] <Master47> ?????
[18:57] <t3chguy> http://shop.pimoroni.com/products/unicorn-hat
[18:58] <Master47> Ohhhhh!
[18:58] <Master47> this looks like you can do a lot of things with it :D
[18:58] <t3chguy> yep
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[18:58] <t3chguy> I just fitted some 3mm acrylic to the top of it
[18:58] <t3chguy> had to dremel out some bits of the foundation case
[18:58] <t3chguy> which, unlike the pi, is very unmodabble
[18:58] <Master47> looks beautiful
[18:59] <tawr> nice t3chguy
[18:59] <tawr> i put lexan on everything
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[19:01] <t3chguy> cool
[19:01] <t3chguy> https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/lIRq7BiuRlXxarSWvujFWouyP8kxF6lN1E3x8fsaNJpiURVJgTyJW7-JBx4tx90PNbk79Wo8QJN6vzj1nvr6NHpFc7A
[19:01] <t3chguy> I somehow managed to fit that and a Unicorn HAT inside the case lol
[19:02] <t3chguy> https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/7XA4DeZKKe96OhZfH70Lp_lvtXzrSQXwH5NzVs_OzaMklculYxO98EPCfPJJz8WYCX3dAP3kiZZQbTmNW5iwL_d9Xw
[19:03] <t3chguy> https://dl.pushbulletusercontent.com/5Eov5bmyzSXeh4rjMQjkPDOgdfwn0Vf7/IMG_20150808_175920.jpg
[19:04] <Master47> niceeeee
[19:04] <t3chguy> definitely want a PiBow instead for it though
[19:05] <Master47> You can now start you own rave party :D
[19:05] <Master47> ;)
[19:05] <t3chguy> nah
[19:05] <t3chguy> I ordered something better for that
[19:05] <Master47> hehehe
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[19:05] <t3chguy> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/301584651363?_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT#
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[19:06] <Master47> oh my my my
[19:06] <Master47> Well, I'm sure it will be a fun project
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[19:06] <Gadgetoid> Nice work with the diffuser t3chguy!
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[19:06] <t3chguy> thanks Gadgetoid
[19:07] <t3chguy> I think its damaging the Unicorn though
[19:07] <t3chguy> the PCB is a little curved
[19:07] <t3chguy> Gadgetoid: in a full-size PiBow, how close can I get the top layer to the top of the Unicorn?
[19:07] <Gadgetoid> Haha, oooh that's probably not good
[19:07] <t3chguy> I want the top layer to be one of the ninja diffuser layers and for it to be right up against the top
[19:07] <Gadgetoid> Good question that, you can remove/add layers as you want, but I don't have one to hand to testify
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[19:08] <t3chguy> the layers are 3mm, right?
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[19:09] <Gadgetoid> They are, I think you'll get a gap of ~2mm, if I remember correctly it doesn't *quite* fit if you drop another layer
[19:09] <NullMoogleCable> anyone know if they released the spi or i2c firmware for the esp8266 yet?
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[19:09] <Gadgetoid> But we might have kept the extra layer in for artistic license, since having a bit of separation makes it blend nicely
[19:10] <t3chguy> Gadgetoid: it does, but the effect of it being right against it is very nice too
[19:10] <t3chguy> I would love to be able to come down Pimoroni, see some example PiBow setups and then buy my ideal one
[19:10] <t3chguy> alas
[19:10] <t3chguy> I cannot
[19:11] <Gadgetoid> t3chguy: aww, maybe we can do a video about Pibow customisation sometime, ha
[19:11] <t3chguy> Hahahha!
[19:11] <Gadgetoid> We're planning to do some live video after hours every week
[19:11] <Gadgetoid> For a Q&A session, new product launches, etc
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[19:13] <t3chguy> I would be there every week.
[19:13] <t3chguy> Well
[19:13] <t3chguy> virtually
[19:13] <t3chguy> watching
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[20:50] <Peppi> anyone know how to mount a NAS to a PI?
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[20:52] <SpeedEvil> Duct tape.
[20:52] <t3chguy> depends on the protocol the NAS is running
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[20:54] <H__> plain NFS
[20:54] <nid0> mount -t nfs
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[20:55] <nid0> more specifically, mount -t nfs server:/folder /local/folder
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[21:16] <electrojustin> so i finally got around to using my raspberry pi, but during bootup it just gives me a bunch of mmc30 timeout waiting for hardware interrupt errors
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[21:17] <electrojustin> s/mmc30/mmc0
[21:17] <electrojustin> also, it prints error -110 every other line
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[21:41] <Gadgetoid> electrojustin: sounds like your SD card is kaput
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[21:42] <electrojustin> Gadgetoid: but it reads and writes fine on my laptop
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[21:42] <emilio189> hi
[21:43] <emilio189> is usb-modeswitch actually working on raspbian?
[21:43] <Gadgetoid> electrojustin: Give it a once-over with the SD formatter ( https://www.sdcard.org/downloads/formatter_4/ ), re-copy the image and try again, it could also be a card that the Pi just doesn't like
[21:44] <Gadgetoid> But I'd suspect it's the card, and not the Pi
[21:44] <Gadgetoid> Occam's Razor, etc
[21:44] <emilio189> I have a vodafone r206 - alias huawei 5220 but cannot get it working via usb
[21:45] <electrojustin> Gadgetoid: i've formatted the card several times now. the first time it got the pi working briefly, but a reboot made the same problem come up again
[21:45] <electrojustin> subsequent formats have no effect
[21:46] <electrojustin> i looked into compatibility with the pi, but there's no data on that one chart for this particular card
[21:46] <emilio189> electrojustin: is your power source good and stable?
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[21:46] <Gadgetoid> That ol' chestnut, but also a candidate
[21:46] <Gadgetoid> Tried a different SD card?
[21:46] <electrojustin> emilio189: i've tried several. 850mA, 1150mA. desktop usb out, laptop usb out
[21:46] <electrojustin> Gadgetoid: I don't exactly have one handy to try out >_>
[21:47] <Gadgetoid> What card is the one you do have?
[21:47] <electrojustin> sanddisk 2gb. looks like the model number is BE092701440G
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[21:47] <emilio189> electrojustin: i don't think it's a problem with the 1150 mA
[21:48] <Gadgetoid> Yeesh, that's pretty tight... what image are you flashing to it?
[21:48] <electrojustin> arm arch linux
[21:48] <electrojustin> pretty much i intend on using my pi as a JTAG, so im not too concerned about file storage :)
[21:48] <Gadgetoid> I reckon you'll need to hunt down an 4GB or 8GB something or other
[21:48] <Gadgetoid> Where'd you even get a 2GB SD card?
[21:49] <t3chguy> Gadgetoid: I have a 1GB around here somewhere xD
[21:49] <Gadgetoid> 2GB *should* work
[21:49] <electrojustin> had an old digital camera lying around that i don't use. "commandeered" its SD card
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[21:49] <Gadgetoid> t3chguy: I've got a 128MB MMC one I think, oollldschoool
[21:49] <electrojustin> when you say formatting the card, is there some low level formatting for SD cards im unaware of?
[21:49] <electrojustin> i've been just using mkfs
[21:50] <t3chguy> lol
[21:50] <Gadgetoid> electrojustin: I believe there are ways to format it properly, in a fashion that's aware of and avoids bad blocks, I've never tried doing it from linux though
[21:51] <electrojustin> and at some point i got tired of redoing the partition table over and over so i just dd'd the working image to an ISO and dd'd it back when the errors started appearing
[21:51] <electrojustin> didn't help, but i figured it was worth a shot
[21:51] <Gadgetoid> I'm going to bet any el-cheapo 4+GB SD card will solve your woes
[21:51] <electrojustin> oh if bad blocks are potentially the issue, then i could probably fix that with badblocks
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[21:52] <electrojustin> but it isn't filesystem corruption, it's hardware i think
[21:52] <electrojustin> Gadgetoid: yeah, that's probably what i'll end up doing. just figured i would try a few things before going out to the store to get one
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[21:54] <emilio189> electrojustin: have hou tried with raspbian?
[21:54] <electrojustin> no, that was the other thing i wanted to try
[21:54] <electrojustin> how large is the image?
[21:54] <Gadgetoid> I think Raspbian will fit on 2GB, just
[21:55] <Gadgetoid> Oh wait, my wheezy image is 3+ GB
[21:55] <emilio189> i don't know exactly
[21:55] <t3chguy> I think the image is 3.7GB
[21:55] <electrojustin> hmm
[21:55] <Gadgetoid> 3.28GB
[21:55] <electrojustin> yeah that probably won't go over well on a 2GB SD
[21:55] <emilio189> ahahah no way out
[21:55] <emilio189> sorry
[21:55] <t3chguy> the Foundation's Raspbian image is bigger
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[21:56] <electrojustin> to be honest, i barely need an operating system, let alone all the bells and whistles that come with raspbian
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[21:57] <Gadgetoid> Wonder if Miniban is any good: https://minibianpi.wordpress.com/
[21:58] <emilio189> yes you need a small distro
[21:58] <t3chguy> Gadgetoid: s/ban/bian/
[21:58] <Gadgetoid> 175.7MB gzipped, doesn't tell us much about the inflated size but I'm guessing it's not much bigger
[21:58] <Gadgetoid> Ah, 334MB, fits on a 512MB SD card. ha!
[21:58] <t3chguy> Gadgetoid: I shall find out for you
[21:58] <t3chguy> ah darn
[21:58] <t3chguy> already downloading it lol
[21:58] <Gadgetoid> You could push that all into a RAM disk
[21:58] <electrojustin> speaking of which, i heard there were JTAG headers right on the board? would they be easier to use than the GPIO pins?
[21:58] <t3chguy> I'm thinking of putting BerryBoot onto my 64GB Card so might install this tiny distro too
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[21:59] <t3chguy> Gadgetoid: its 168Mb Gzipped
[22:00] <Gadgetoid> Sourcefarge lied to me, LIED!
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[22:00] <t3chguy> 488 image size
[22:00] <emilio189> great
[22:00] <t3chguy> still, not bad at all
[22:00] <emilio189> it will fit on the 2 gb sd card
[22:01] <t3chguy> I think Raspbian would fit, maybe barely
[22:01] <t3chguy> but the image is a little bloated
[22:01] <Gadgetoid> Yes with... certain things
[22:01] <t3chguy> like Sketch
[22:01] <t3chguy> Skratch
[22:01] <t3chguy> Scratch
[22:01] <t3chguy> whichever
[22:02] <t3chguy> I've been arduinoing too much
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[22:02] <emilio189> i did a python script that plots sensor data on plotly
[22:03] <emilio189> with the water level of a tank
[22:03] <emilio189> i hope it won't crash
[22:03] <emilio189> where it'll be 100 km far from me lol
[22:03] <emilio189> *when
[22:04] <emilio189> is there a way to know if a python script crashes?
[22:05] <emilio189> i mean so I can restart it
[22:05] <t3chguy> STDERR
[22:05] <electrojustin> uh, ps?
[22:05] <t3chguy> just wrap it in a while true loop in bash
[22:05] <t3chguy> or write a systemd job for it
[22:05] <electrojustin> that works too, but presumably you'd like to see the reasoning for the crash...
[22:06] <t3chguy> systemd would do that automatically
[22:06] <t3chguy> bash loop, could pipe STDERR to a log file
[22:06] <electrojustin> yeah and you could run your bash script in screen
[22:06] <t3chguy> well, or that
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[22:06] <emilio189> ok
[22:07] <emilio189> so a bash script with a while loop will start it again if it crashes
[22:07] <electrojustin> yeah
[22:07] <emilio189> * only * if it crashes
[22:07] <emilio189> :D
[22:07] <Gadgetoid> t3chguy: haha, the while true loop of justice :D
[22:07] <electrojustin> while true do python <filenamehere.py> end
[22:07] <electrojustin> or something like that
[22:07] <emilio189> and how can I see the error?
[22:08] <electrojustin> it'll print straight to the prompt
[22:08] <Gadgetoid> You'd need to give an exit code and abort the loop if you want it to not restart if it *doesn't* crash
[22:08] <H__> add a 'sleep 1' to that while loop, so that you don't DOS yourself when the program dies immediately
[22:09] <emilio189> i'm really new in this kind of things
[22:09] <Gadgetoid> H__: ... I've always just DOS'd myself ;D
[22:09] <emilio189> these, english too
[22:09] <Gadgetoid> emilio189: we were all new once!
[22:10] <Gadgetoid> Just remember, every VIM user started out having to press the power button on their PC to exit
[22:10] <electrojustin> that's understandable, non-trivial bash-scripting is hard
[22:10] <emilio189> i think it would be great to send me an email with the kind of error when it crashes
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[22:11] <electrojustin> Gadgetoid: emacs isn't much better in that regard :P
[22:11] <electrojustin> nor is nano for that matter
[22:11] <emilio189> like with mail
[22:11] <Gadgetoid> electrojustin: True, that!
[22:11] <emilio189> i definitely use nano
[22:11] <emilio189> ctrl+o to save
[22:11] <emilio189> ctrl-x to exit
[22:12] <emilio189> that's all that i need for now
[22:12] <emilio189> :D
[22:12] <electrojustin> i used to use gedit
[22:12] <electrojustin> at one point i literally x-tunneled for the sole purpose of being able to use gedit
[22:12] <emilio189> ahahah
[22:12] <electrojustin> eventually i just caved and learned vim
[22:13] <emilio189> well with a 1080p it's hard to be able to read
[22:13] <electrojustin> or at least, the very basics of vim. i still find all sorts of advanced features i never knew about
[22:13] <emilio189> like from 3 meters from television
[22:14] <emilio189> maybe changing the font size would help
[22:14] <electrojustin> lol you could just modify the terminal font size
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[22:14] <emilio189> that's why it's called nano
[22:15] <electrojustin> unless you program exclusively in tty<insert number here>
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[22:15] <electrojustin> in which case i think you can still change the font size, but it's notably trickier
[22:16] <emilio189> i don't start the x server
[22:16] <emilio189> just command line
[22:17] <emilio189> i don't know what is its name
[22:17] <electrojustin> i think it's tty1 by default
[22:17] <electrojustin> i dunno, it's been a while since my graphics drivers broke and i had to do that
[22:17] <emilio189> yea
[22:17] <electrojustin> at least, on my desktop
[22:18] <emilio189> so it's not possible to change the font size
[22:18] <emilio189> for tty
[22:18] <electrojustin> i think it is actually
[22:18] <electrojustin> i don't remember how though
[22:20] <Roonix> sudo dpkg-reconfigure console-setup can change font/size no?
[22:20] <electrojustin> for debian based, maybe
[22:21] <emilio189> yes for raspbian
[22:21] <Roonix> ahh right sorry im late in the convo :D
[22:21] <emilio189> or you need to edit the config file of console-setup
[22:21] <emilio189> you're welcome
[22:21] <electrojustin> setfont for arch, evidently
[22:21] <emilio189> tomorrow i think i'll try
[22:22] <emilio189> O.O
[22:22] <emilio189> so for logging the errors of a script i can search for stderr?
[22:23] <electrojustin> no, stderr is the standard error output
[22:24] <electrojustin> i.e. it writes straight to the terminal
[22:24] <electrojustin> but you can direct it to a file
[22:24] <electrojustin> i think it's &> ?
[22:24] <electrojustin> no, sorry
[22:24] <electrojustin> it's 2>
[22:25] <emilio189> so like
[22:25] <electrojustin> &> redirects both. which may also be desirable
[22:25] <emilio189> python <scriptname.py> &>
[22:25] <t3chguy> &> filename.log
[22:25] <emilio189> :D
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[22:26] <electrojustin> python <scriptname.py> &> errors.txt
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[22:26] <mArrkus> Hi
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[22:26] <emilio189> great
[22:26] <mArrkus> Is there a specific channel for Arch users?
[22:26] <emilio189> electrojustin: great, thank you
[22:26] <Roonix> #archlinix-arm
[22:26] <mArrkus> Roonix: thank you
[22:26] <emilio189> mArrkus: hi
[22:27] <mArrkus> hi emilio189
[22:27] <electrojustin> emilio189: just don't forget to fork the bash script to the background or it will close as soon as you close the ssh session
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[22:27] <electrojustin> err, i think you need nohup too
[22:28] <electrojustin> it's been too long since i've done this
[22:28] <emilio189> noup?
[22:28] <electrojustin> nohup
[22:28] <electrojustin> no hangup
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[22:28] <emilio189> what is it?
[22:29] <electrojustin> even if you fork a process to the background, when you log off of ssh i think it sends a kill signal to all your processes
[22:29] <electrojustin> or more precisely, a hangup signal
[22:29] <electrojustin> nohup prevents that
[22:30] <emilio189> oh ok
[22:30] <emilio189> so it's like using screen
[22:30] <emilio189> and deta hing the session
[22:30] <t3chguy> its to prevent SIGTERMs killing your python script
[22:31] <electrojustin> you can just use screen too, that's what i usually use :P
[22:31] <emilio189> okok that's imporant too
[22:32] <emilio189> if i start the bash script with crontab it is necessary to use nohup?
[22:32] <electrojustin> but the "proper" way is probably 'nohup ./my_script.sh &'
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[22:32] <electrojustin> no, in that case it isn't
[22:32] <emilio189> with the reboot flag
[22:32] <emilio189> @reboot
[22:32] <electrojustin> if the script is spawned by a crontab you won't have issues with hangup
[22:33] <emilio189> cause my raspberry will be powered with solar panels
[22:33] <electrojustin> if that's the case then i assume you don't want your python script to be running constantly? you'll need to devise some exit code system for your bash script
[22:33] <emilio189> so if it will have power issue maybe it will reboot
[22:35] <emilio189> i need it working all day and night long
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[22:35] <electrojustin> oh then nvm
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[22:35] <electrojustin> wait then why are you using a crontab?
[22:35] <electrojustin> just use systemd or upstart or whatever you have on your particular distro
[22:35] <emilio189> ok
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[22:36] <emilio189> but i don't know how to use them
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[22:36] <ali1234> t3chguy: SIGHUP, not SIGTERM
[22:36] <emilio189> i just googled and found the crontab solution
[22:36] <electrojustin> and in that case the bash script doesn't need to be more complicated than 'while true do python <scripthere.py> &> log.txt end'
[22:36] <ali1234> hence the name :)
[22:36] <electrojustin> emilio189: whatever works, i guess
[22:36] <t3chguy> ali1234: yeah now thats proof I've had no sleep
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[22:37] <ali1234> i'm really looking forward to getting systemd on the pi, so i don't have to deal with cron and init
[22:37] <electrojustin> i didn't know crontab had a thing for running on bootup, i thought you just had to write a service
[22:37] <ali1234> it doesn't always
[22:37] <t3chguy> electrojustin: just install Raspbian Jessie or Ubuntu Mate and you'll have it
[22:37] <ali1234> busybox cron can't do it for example
[22:37] <electrojustin> ali1234: isn't it already on the pi?
[22:37] <t3chguy> wrong highlight
[22:38] <ali1234> electrojustin: not in the official raspbian images, not by default anyway
[22:38] <emilio189> thank you for the help guys
[22:38] <t3chguy> ali1234: just install Raspbian Jessie or Ubuntu Mate and you'll have it
[22:38] <ali1234> i don't want to roll my own image or manually install systemd, that would be even worse than dealing with cron and init
[22:38] <ali1234> ubuntu mate won't run on the A+
[22:38] <electrojustin> pretty sure arch comes with systemd
[22:38] <emilio189> yes i use: @reboot <commands>
[22:38] <ali1234> and installing raspbian jessie is not officially supported
[22:38] <t3chguy> lol ali1234
[22:39] <Peppi> hello
[22:39] <ali1234> arch... ain't nobody got time for that
[22:39] <Peppi> I'm trying to mount my NAS to the pi
[22:39] <Peppi> I'm getting: mount.nfs: Connection timed out
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[22:39] <Peppi> a solution I found was this: http://forum.qnap.com/viewtopic.php?p=228406
[22:39] <ali1234> Peppi: nfs is like that :(
[22:39] <electrojustin> it's pretty easy to install on the pi, actually
[22:39] <ali1234> surely your NAS supports some network filesystem which is slightly less archaic?
[22:39] <electrojustin> just mine won't boot cause i have a terrible SD card
[22:40] <Peppi> one person said: Force nfsv3 on mount.
[22:40] <Peppi> how do I force nfs3?
[22:40] <Peppi> how do I force nfsv3?
[22:40] <ali1234> probably with a mount -o <something>
[22:40] <Peppi> mount -t nfs 192.168.1.101:/Disk1 /mnt/qnap is what I do atm
[22:40] <H__> I use these options -> noauto,rsize=32768,wsize=32768,intr,soft,tcp,nfsvers=3,noatime
[22:40] <ali1234> there you go ^
[22:41] <ali1234> mount -o nfsvers=3 ...
[22:41] <emilio189> i used mount.cifs and t worked lol
[22:41] <emilio189> but don't ask me why
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[22:42] <ali1234> because cifs/samba is a whole lot more modern than nfs
[22:42] <Peppi> ok I'll try both
[22:42] <ali1234> most NAS also support apple filesharing which should also work better than nfs
[22:43] <Peppi> so doing this: mount -o nfsvers=3 -t nfs 192.168.1.101:/Disk1 /mnt/qnap
[22:43] <ali1234> yeah pretty much
[22:43] <emilio189> so much to learn :D
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[22:44] <Peppi> emilio189: should I do: mount.cifs -t nfs 192.168.1.101:/Disk1 /mnt/qnap then?
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[22:44] <ali1234> Peppi: cifs is not for nfs
[22:44] <Peppi> ali1234: well my nas has samba I'm sure
[22:44] <ali1234> it is for windows file sharing
[22:45] <ali1234> right cifs/samba are basically the same thing
[22:45] <emilio189> yes i was using samba
[22:45] <ali1234> there are differences, but you don't need to worry about them when both the client and server run linux
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[22:45] <ali1234> or ever, really, unless you are using something ancient like windows NT 3.51
[22:46] <emilio189> Peppi: just do the ali1234 way
[22:47] <Peppi> ok... so what should I do?
[22:47] <emilio189> i'm going guys, thank you for the precious help
[22:47] <ali1234> mount -o nfsvers=3 -t nfs 192.168.1.101:/Disk1 /mnt/qnap
[22:47] <emilio189> bye to all
[22:47] <Peppi> ali1234: ya getting a timeout still
[22:47] <Gadgetoid> bye emilio189!
[22:48] <Peppi> bye emilio189
[22:48] <nid0> scrolling back a bit, ali1234: fwiw i'm running systemd on my raspbian install with no issues
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[22:50] <nid0> only slight problem it has is lacking some ancillary tools in the package by default on wheezy, but it does work fine and you can manually install whats missing if theyre needed
[22:50] <ali1234> did you remove the original init as well?
[22:51] <Gadgetoid> Hmm, why can't I find a tool to play YouTube videos as a corner overlay, this is an outrage
[22:52] <nid0> no i've left it in place, just installed systemd and systemd-sysv which provides /sbin/init links to make systemd the default
[22:52] <ali1234> hmm... and is your network managed by systemd-networkd?
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[22:53] <t3chguy> Gadgetoid: as a corner overlay?
[22:53] <Gadgetoid> t3chguy: found an app called Helium that does it, I'm a filthy Mac user
[22:53] <t3chguy> lol
[22:54] <t3chguy> I was gonna say, on Pi - windowed omxplayer :3
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[22:54] <nid0> ali1234 no it still runs through networking.service currently, switching to systemd-networkd is something i'll get round to doing at some point though
[22:54] <nid0> fwiw a plot of my pi's boot with systemd: http://ratherdisturbing.co.uk/plot.svg
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[22:55] <ali1234> nid0: something i rather need is ability to switch between wifi client and AP mode programmatically
[22:56] <ali1234> Gadgetoid: what's a corner overlay?
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[23:04] <Gadgetoid> ali1234: something overlaying a corner :D
[23:05] <ali1234> a corner of what tho?
[23:05] <Gadgetoid> A floating, chromeless window stuck in the corner of my screen
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[23:17] <Tenkawa> hi all
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