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IRC Log for 2015-08-12

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[0:10] <Nixola> hi again
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[0:10] <Nixola> I've got weston working finally, but it doesn't care about overscan settings
[0:10] <Nixola> on alarm (arch), on the rpi2
[0:10] <Nixola> can I do anything about it?
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[0:13] <Nixola> (also maynard doesn't work at all, so does anyone know any other DE/WM that goes well with wayland?)
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[0:17] <Kamilion> Nixola: hm, good question, sec, lemme go check what rebeccablackos contains
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[0:20] <Kamilion> Nixola: er, i seem to have trouble finding the release notes for any of the 2015 builds.
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[0:20] <Nixola> I had the same issue on Raspbian I think
[0:21] <Kamilion> i recall playing with a nice kde styled interface the last time I messed with RebeccaBlackOS
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[0:21] <Kamilion> but I'd have to boot the livecd in vmware to actually recall what it was named
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[0:22] <Karlton> Why would you want to use wayland?
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[0:22] <Nixola> because I've got trouble getting hardware acceleration for things on X
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[0:23] <Kamilion> Karlton: the real question is, why would you want to use xwindows?
[0:23] <Karlton> Kamilion: because it works
[0:23] <Nixola> Karlton: well it doesn't here
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[0:23] <Nixola> not well enough
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[0:24] <Karlton> I don't use fancy effects and stuff though, just a window manager
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[0:24] <Kamilion> well, sure, it works in the same sense that windows 3.1's GDI raster engine still works on a modern GPU when a VBE bios mode is active.
[0:24] <Kamilion> but this isn't 1994 anymore
[0:24] <Kamilion> we don't even have video adapters anymore. heck, we don't even have fixed function 3d accelerators anymore -- the GPU has subsumed everything.
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[0:25] <Kamilion> the blitter and CRTC are dead and gone
[0:25] <Nixola> someone somewhere said that xwindows is the biggest violation of the linux philosophy or something
[0:25] <Nixola> not sure if I spelt philosophy right
[0:25] <Karlton> Unix philosophy
[0:25] <Nixola> yeah, it was unix
[0:25] <Nixola> thanks
[0:26] <Karlton> it blows big time, but Wayland isn't near complete
[0:26] <Kamilion> no, not really. It's just not meant to be a direct-rendering system.
[0:26] <Kamilion> ?
[0:26] <Kamilion> what part of wayland isn't complete in the 1.7.0 release?
[0:26] <Karlton> and I am not sure Wayland is sticking to Unix principles
[0:26] <Nixola> Kamilion: support from the people who make programs I guess
[0:26] <Kamilion> ...
[0:26] <Kamilion> ...
[0:27] <Kamilion> Karlton: what one thing does X do, and what (if anything) does it do well?
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[0:27] <Kamilion> it has it's own font and print server.
[0:27] <Karlton> I already said it sucks
[0:27] <Kamilion> it requires root and direct hardware access...
[0:27] <Karlton> but it still works, and I don't know of any tile window manager to work with wayland yet
[0:28] <Kamilion> it's SPECIFICATIONS demand poor anti-aliasing
[0:28] <Kamilion> uh
[0:28] <Kamilion> i3?
[0:28] <Nixola> i3 is goo
[0:28] <Nixola> good*
[0:28] <Kamilion> i'm not a fan, but it's there
[0:28] <Karlton> I like DWM, but yeah
[0:28] <Nixola> but since I want to impress people with the rpi (mainly to get them into linux) it's not a wise choice
[0:28] <Nixola> it doesn't look that good
[0:29] <Nixola> I do have it on my laptops though
[0:29] <Kamilion> https://github.com/Cloudef/orbment
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[0:29] <Nixola> I wonder if one can get a lighter wm than i3
[0:29] <Kamilion> https://github.com/michaelforney/velox
[0:29] <Kamilion> there ya go, two tiling wayland managers
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[0:29] <Kamilion> and velox is inspired by dwm and xmonad.
[0:29] <Nixola> it's small, fast, compact, doesn't take much space in the screen and it's configurable, allowing me to do anything I need
[0:30] <Nixola> so i3 is good but it doesn't look good enough for my purposes I fear
[0:30] <Kamilion> i've personally been a fan of fluxbox for at least ten years now.
[0:30] <Kamilion> I don't use it though.
[0:31] <Kamilion> honestly? I use lubuntu on xorg with no acceleration.
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[0:32] <Kamilion> Nixola: yeah, if you wanna do something impressive, you'd need something like https://github.com/evil0sheep/motorcar
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[0:33] <Nixola> I don't want it to be graphically awesome, but at least something more than decent
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[0:33] <Kamilion> https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1svgGMxxbfmcHy_KuS5Q9hah8PQOsXqvjBKOoMIzW24Y/edit#slide=id.g18666cd1d_0160
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[0:33] <Nixola> I probably wouldn't even use a display server most of the time if it didn't run automatically
[0:34] <Kamilion> oh, graphically awesome doesn't equate impressive.
[0:34] <Kamilion> otherwise every AAA game title would sell billions of copies ;)
[0:34] <Nixola> right now I tried downloading xfce but I don't know how to make weston work with it
[0:34] <Kamilion> nerdopolis over in #wayland would probably know
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[0:35] <Nixola> I did not even know there is a wayland channel
[0:35] <Nixola> thanks! I think I'm moving my questions there, as it's more appropriate
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[0:38] <Nixola> I would if anyone answered me
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[0:38] <Nixola> I hate not having enough patience
[0:39] <Berg> take up snail racing
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[0:41] <Kamilion> Nixola: honestly? set up ZNC to idle on IRC for you and just come back and check it
[0:42] <H__> +1 for znc
[0:42] <Kamilion> [15:42:40] Kamilion's signon time: Sat Jun 20 14:34:29 2015
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[0:46] <Nixola> slightly unrelated question
[0:46] <Nixola> does anyone know if I can use the 3.5mm jack of the rpi as linein instead of lineout?
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[0:47] <ali1234> you can't
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[0:47] <Berg> usb webcam mic
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[0:49] <Berg> http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_nkw=usb+microphone
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[1:01] <Karlton> just make sure there is a driver for it first
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[1:07] <Kamilion> Or rather, that there is NOT a driver for it (In this case, you'd want USB Audio Class or USB Video Camera Class, commonly referred to as UVC)
[1:10] <Karlton> still needs a driver, but probably just a generic USB audio one :)
[1:11] <Kamilion> the class drivers aren't normally missing
[1:11] <Kamilion> if they are, you have bigger problems
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[1:16] <Karlton> mine probably are, but that is because I like my kernel to compile natively in a few hours and not a few days xD
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[1:21] <faLUCE> hello. I'm copying a raspberry image of 8GB to a 16GB kingston class 10 sd card, using dd (bs = 4M). It takes too much time (more than 30 mins) and I can't see the progress of the operation... what could I do?
[1:22] <Kamilion> bmap-tools would help
[1:22] <swiss> get a faster SD card reader
[1:23] <Kamilion> I'd really suggest using dc3dd over dd for dealing with disk images.
[1:23] <Karlton> 8GB is a lot
[1:23] <Karlton> Kamilion: what is wrong with dd?
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[1:23] <Kamilion> the behavior isn't much different, but it does keep you up to date on the progress
[1:24] <faLUCE> Kamilion: how can I use bmap-tools?
[1:24] <Kamilion> Karlton: it does too much work in many situations
[1:25] <Karlton> you could just make a shell command to alert you when it is done
[1:25] <Kamilion> one such would be dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/xvdx3
[1:25] <Kamilion> first problem, it will use a 512 byte sector by default.
[1:26] <Karlton> like "dd if=*.iso of=/dev/sdb bs=1M ; ogg123 ALERT.ogg"
[1:26] <Kamilion> second problem, in this case, it's stupid enough to actually read from /dev/zero
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[1:27] <Kamilion> now, dc3dd wipe=/dev/xvdx3 will give you live statistics, reuse the same block of zeros without reading from /dev/zero over and over, and try several block sizes to see what has the highest average speed.
[1:27] <Kamilion> for disk images, it's much preferable to use dc3dd
[1:27] <Kamilion> for shellscripts and other automation, use dd
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[1:28] <Kamilion> label=$(/bin/dd if="${device}" bs=1 skip=65835 count=256 2>/dev/null | tr -d '\000')
[1:28] <Kamilion> echo "bootscript: Discovered label on btrfs volume on ${device} is: ${label}"
[1:29] <faLUCE> so, how can I see progress with dd?
[1:29] <Kamilion> dd, as a unix tool, is still useful, of course.
[1:30] <Karlton> it will return when it is done
[1:30] <faLUCE> Karlton: but it takes too much time
[1:30] <faLUCE> Karlton: I don't understand if it is performing at a decent speed or not
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[1:31] <Karlton> yeah it doesn't such feature because it is minimal tool
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[1:33] <Karlton> probably writing the wrong block size
[1:33] <faLUCE> Karlton: so, what can I use alternatively for seeing the progress?
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[1:34] <Karlton> faLUCE: Kamilion already mentioned something, but I have used anything but dd before
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[1:36] <faLUCE> Kamilion: gzip -dc -v /home/paolo/temp/image110815.gz | dd bs=4M of=/dev/sdb <--- how can I translate that into dc3dd in order to do the same operation and see progress?
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[1:36] <Kamilion> dc3dd or pv
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[1:36] <Kamilion> gzip -dc -v /home/paolo/temp/image110815.gz | dc3dd of=/dev/sd
[1:37] <faLUCE> Kamilion: and in this way I see progress?
[1:37] <Kamilion> yep
[1:37] <Kamilion> or
[1:37] <Kamilion> gzip -dc -v /home/paolo/temp/image110815.gz | pv | dd bs=1M of=/dev/sd
[1:37] <Kamilion> http://www.ivarch.com/programs/pv.shtml
[1:37] <Kamilion> I don't really care for pv much myself though
[1:38] <Kamilion> it's more useful when you have three or more concurrent pipes
[1:38] <faLUCE> Kamilion: many thanks!
[1:38] <Kamilion> http://sourceforge.net/projects/dc3dd/
[1:39] <Kamilion> not finding much doc on their site
[1:39] <Kamilion> (and yes, it's in the debian/ubuntu repos already)
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[1:39] <faLUCE> Kamilion: I have interrupted several times dd. is it better to format the sd card before doing dc3dd ?
[1:39] <Kamilion> nope, you'll just wear it out faster.
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[1:40] <Karlton> just wait for it to finish
[1:40] <faLUCE> thanks again Kamilion
[1:40] <Kamilion> http://www.dc3.mil/technical-solutions/tools?lang=en
[1:41] <Kamilion> in case people were wondering, dc3dd does indeed come from the us department of defense. :)
[1:41] <faLUCE> Kamilion: ?
[1:41] <faLUCE> why?
[1:41] <Karlton> you don't need to format it because dd writes the whole image to it and will overwrite anything that is there
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[1:42] <Kamilion> it's the tool the US government uses to copy disks for court cases, because it can make hashes while it's copying
[1:42] <Karlton> don't make the mistake of using dd on a partition like /dev/sdb1 instead of /dev/sdb
[1:43] <faLUCE> Kamilion: and what are the hashes used for?
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[1:44] <Kamilion> faLUCE: verification of the data that was copied remains unchanged
[1:44] <ShadowJK> I usually dump sdb and then also dump partition tablet
[1:45] <Kamilion> cfdisk has a nice option to dump partitions out to a text file
[1:45] <Kamilion> sec
[1:45] <Kamilion> or maybe it was sfdisk?
[1:45] <Kamilion> which is the one for GPT?
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[1:46] <Kamilion> sfdisk -d /dev/device
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[1:54] <Nixola> how can I see if I've got proper video drivers installed on Weston?
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[1:56] <ali1234> Nixola: if it works you have proper drivers
[1:56] <Nixola> seems like I do have proper drivers then
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[2:11] <johnnyfortune> Hola peeps! So I am trying to figure out how to keep a couple remote pi’s updated. I would like to use apt-get and a debian repository. Where the Pi’s grab the sources list and can dpkg install / update. Like, a really really simple version of Cydia or something.
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[2:11] <johnnyfortune> Im trying to find out if there is a wrapper for Python or PHP or something to help with this, I dont really wanna write a bunch of bash scripts.
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[2:20] <Karlton> Is it that hard to write a shell script to do sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade and then run it as a weekly cron job?
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[2:21] <Chocolate_Chip> Try making it a service
[2:21] <johnnyfortune> hmm. well I wanted to have like, a ui for it. So they could select what packages they want. but like, really simple. like 5-6 options total.
[2:25] <johnnyfortune> https://github.com/johnny13/RepRasp this one of my raspberry pi projects where it uses a TFT touch screen. so using like, ubuntu style gui package installer is all wrong for that size.
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[2:34] <CoJaBo> My TV has gone back to rolling as it warms up :/
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[2:40] <Kamilion> CoJaBo: heh, you're lucky, I had to write a shader to get that effect
[2:40] <CoJaBo> lol
[2:40] <Kamilion> http://puu.sh/jydyP/5bb65da2e3.jpg
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[2:41] <Kamilion> https://github.com/Swordfish90/cool-retro-term <--- I love CRT
[2:42] <CoJaBo> It's a rear-projection one, so looks a lot different than those :P
[2:42] <CoJaBo> Also, it does not emit The Noise
[2:43] <CoJaBo> (tho I actually don't know why...)
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[2:43] <Kamilion> i can mess with all that with some sliders
[2:45] <CoJaBo> I actually have a black-and white ~3" security monitor that looks *precisely* like this tho: https://camo.githubusercontent.com/89840504c6e3e7cfff33a17ac7f868e7aeb4d330/687474703a2f2f692e696d6775722e636f6d2f313245716c704c2e706e67
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[2:45] <CoJaBo> I use it with the pi, because I don't have any HDMI-capable monitors
[2:46] <CoJaBo> (well, the TV is DVI, but that's 60" and not exactly portable xD)
[2:46] <Kamilion> is it an actual tube monitor?
[2:46] <Kamilion> the 3" one
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[2:47] <Kamilion> my uncle once had a portable camp television with a tiny CRT like that
[2:48] <Kamilion> and after LCDs became common, I just never saw them again
[2:48] <Kamilion> AFAIK the only way to find them now is thrift stores
[2:49] <Kamilion> http://www.ebay.com/itm/GPX-Sport-X-Lantern-TV-Radio-Compass-Weather-Camping-NEW-in-Box-/281770837080 <--- something like this, yeah?
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[2:52] <CoJaBo> Yep
[2:52] <Kamilion> Now I'm actually wondering how hard it would be to use a Pi and make a canti-sama costume for halloween... http://vignette4.wikia.nocookie.net/flcl/images/c/cb/1782.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20110909063550
[2:52] <CoJaBo> Kamilion: It has a weird composite in, but most of them don't; the ones that run off antenna will never work again
[2:53] <Kamilion> not true
[2:53] <Kamilion> just need an RF modulator
[2:53] <Kamilion> https://www.computercablestore.com/content/images/thumbs/0000071_coaxial-adapter-f-type-female-to-35mm-male_400.jpeg
[2:53] <Kamilion> and one of these
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[2:54] <CoJaBo> The ones I've seen tend to have nothing but the antenna (tho it might sorta work if you just clip the lead onto that..)
[2:54] <CoJaBo> Still kinda unwieldy if you want it to be portable tho lol
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[3:03] <Kamilion> CoJaBo: yeah, I think today, I would take it apart, measure the inside, and 3D print a new casing for it
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[3:13] <syeekick> has anyone tried dual booting with the raspberry pi 2?
[3:13] <syeekick> people are saying to use noobs but i thought that was an installer not a grub replacement.
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[3:14] <Kamilion> syeekick: I think it uses kexec to start another kernel
[3:14] <Kamilion> but I could be mistaken
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[3:16] <syeekick> people are saying uboot is better
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[3:20] <Kamilion> well, i use uboot, but I have to
[3:21] <Kamilion> it's the only way to leave the cpus in HYP hypervisor mode instead of SVC service-processor mode
[3:21] <Kamilion> in general i assume most people just swap SDs
[3:21] <Kamilion> i bought 6 to do just that.
[3:22] <Kamilion> http://www.amazon.com/Memory-Card-Carrying-Case-Generic/dp/B000ZD0CV4/ And one of these little zipper cases so I don't misplace the cards.
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[3:26] <syeekick> cool
[3:26] <syeekick> i might need one of them yet. maybe to house my usbs too
[3:26] <syeekick> i need to get my usb sticks back, i lend them out too often
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[3:27] <KG5HEU-Preston> i carry the usb stick around that has a bootable copy of linux on it to recover data from computers
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[3:29] <syeekick> it seems i have to carry around one of them too for people with windows problems
[3:29] <KG5HEU-Preston> haha that is why i do that as well
[3:30] <syeekick> i know i will need g-parted more than ever now. When people install the new windows 8 or 10 on legacy mode, and have mbr partitions and have to swap them back out to gpt. Or the other way around i forget
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[3:31] <KG5HEU-Preston> i carry a copy of mint 17.2 around and i can gain access to there computers and and it makes them mad
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[3:31] <syeekick> yeah but they give you permission in the first place, they shouldn't doubt the power of kitted out IT guy
[3:32] <KG5HEU-Preston> yep all i use is a external hard drive and that usb stick and i have complete access to there computer in about 2.5 seconds
[3:32] <KG5HEU-Preston> and then i just copy there data over and then reinstall the OS onto there computer
[3:33] <KG5HEU-Preston> i try to talk them into allowing me to boot Linux onto the computer as well
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[3:35] <syeekick> do you drag and drop the windows data or make an iso from their hdd?
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[3:35] <KG5HEU-Preston> i drag and drop as i don't know how to make an iso copy of the data
[3:36] <KG5HEU-Preston> biab
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[3:36] <syeekick> thats probably your best bet any way. you wouldn't want to add any more complication. I've had some bad experiences with making an iso from a hdd
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[3:41] <Kamilion> KG5HEU-QRT / syeekick: I end up having to do the same too, so I started building my own livecd. Feel free to swipe a copy for amd64 https://github.com/kamilion/kamikazi-deploy
[3:42] <syeekick> ooo i'll take a look
[3:42] <Kamilion> most of the useful recovery tools are there like dc3dd, testdisk... I think i stashed photorec in there too
[3:43] <Kamilion> huh, guess I missed testdisk in the last couple builds
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[3:43] <syeekick> so thats like a hirens boot cd but linux orientied cool
[3:43] <Kamilion> with all the virtualization stuff packed in as well.
[3:44] <Kamilion> xen and kvm are both there.
[3:44] <Karlton> dd if=/dev/sdb of=backup.img :D
[3:44] <syeekick> any password recovery tools?
[3:44] <Kamilion> such as?
[3:45] <syeekick> erm
[3:45] <Kamilion> i could install jack or abel, I suppose
[3:45] <syeekick> im not too familar with the linux ones out there, but if you go to nirsoft.com there is a load of password recovery tools on there.
[3:45] <syeekick> cain and able yeah
[3:45] <syeekick> i've never had much luck wiht that
[3:46] <Kamilion> I don't bother -- for windows I just use konboot and bypass the stupid password input field directly
[3:47] <Kamilion> it patches winlogon.exe so any password results in SUCCESS being returned
[3:47] <syeekick> yeah konboot is great, it will work with windows 10 too as they haven't changed the NT password hashing system
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[3:47] <Kamilion> it will not unlock encrypted files with NTFS encryption
[3:47] <Kamilion> but I've never seen a green file on any system outside of when I worked at NASA Ames
[3:48] <Kamilion> and for linux, just add 'single' or 'init=/bin/bash' to the kernel commandline.
[3:48] <Karlton> just ask Microsoft for the key
[3:48] <Kamilion> so I never really had any need for password tools
[3:48] <Kamilion> k, testdisk/photorec's back in place
[3:48] <Kamilion> anything else y'might want?
[3:50] <Kamilion> I do diagnostics on server systems all the time, so most of the normal toolset like smartmontools and the SAS enclosure tools are already there
[3:50] <Kamilion> targetcli's around too for sharing devices as iSCSI targets so another system can grab them
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[3:51] <syeekick> too be honest mate, i wouldn't use your live cd because i woulld have to learn how to use all them progs that you have on there. Your live cd is above my understanding of linux. I was merely suggesting tools
[3:51] <Kamilion> actually, most of it's accesable from the lubuntu GUI.
[3:51] <syeekick> yeah i use smart mon tools from time to time. it's great for older machines
[3:51] <Kamilion> I don't really like dealing with terminal tools if I can avoid it
[3:51] <Kamilion> so it has system-config-samba and a number of other GUI tools to configure things on the fly
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[3:52] <Kamilion> http://puu.sh/jyivj/883d97fd9a.png
[3:52] <Kamilion> here's a screenshot of me working right now
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[3:55] <Kamilion> syeekick: basically the only thing different from downloading the lubuntu amd64 iso is that I've removed most of the 'useless' office applications
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[3:56] <syeekick> if i ever need lubuntu i know where im going :P
[3:56] <Kamilion> as well as a large amount of the media playback libraries. Just the basics are left, mp3, aac, mp4, mkv, h.264, nothing esoteric
[3:57] <Kamilion> I'll be pushing a systemd 15.04 version soon, so if you're anti-systemd, now's the time to grab the iso (well, gimme an hour to add testdisk back in)
[3:58] <Karlton> lubuntu comes with mp3 support?
[3:58] <Kamilion> lubuntu 14.10, fully up to date as of it's end of life notification on july 31st 2015, and today's build now contains the release of rethinkdb 2.1, which finally adds failover support. So this'll probably be the last one of it's line.
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[3:58] <Kamilion> Karlton: it does indeed contain full support for the mpeg1 layer 3 audio specification
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[3:59] <Kamilion> some of the more advanced features of mpeg1 are not currently available because the relevant patents don't expire until 2017.
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[4:00] <Karlton> mp3 is patent as well
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[4:00] <Karlton> s/patent/patented/
[4:00] <Kamilion> the basic patents required for implimentation expired in 2012.
[4:00] <Kamilion> 21 years after the publication of ISO CD 11172
[4:00] <Karlton> ah
[4:00] <Kamilion> as i said, the more advanced features are not available
[4:01] <Karlton> except in the US they can bribe and renew them
[4:01] <Kamilion> nor is some encoding features
[4:01] <Kamilion> eh, well, the thing is
[4:01] <Kamilion> now it's an ISO/IEC standard
[4:01] <Kamilion> it's actually a requirement for implimenting h.264 support in hardware
[4:02] <Karlton> ogg is still better than way, better compression and sound quality
[4:02] <Kamilion> won't argue with you there
[4:02] <Kamilion> and opus is even better
[4:02] <Kamilion> (and I did include both the speex and opus libraries, they're tiny)
[4:02] <Karlton> :)
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[4:02] <Kamilion> but I dropped all the crazy decoders that libav52 supported like "DiVX 3.11 ;-)" and DiVX4
[4:03] <syeekick> ogv > h264?
[4:03] <Kamilion> Ehh...
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[4:03] <Kamilion> Webm > patented video
[4:03] <Kamilion> I don't like it as much
[4:03] <Kamilion> but it's backed by Alphabet
[4:03] <Kamilion> err, I mean, Google
[4:04] <Karlton> Webm is patented?
[4:04] <Kamilion> nope
[4:04] <Karlton> oh nevermind ...
[4:04] <Kamilion> some of the VP-6 stuff was
[4:04] <Kamilion> but I believe google released an open patent license for all of it with the webm spec
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[4:04] <Kamilion> the point is, it's *known* to be non-patent encumbered
[4:05] <Kamilion> where ogv is just speculated to be
[4:05] <Kamilion> google backs webm's openness
[4:05] <Kamilion> xiph are great people, but tiny.
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[4:06] <Kamilion> anyway, I'm off to do stuff
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[4:07] <Kamilion> kamikazi is useful for USB sticks on your keyring; so play with it! It's *intended* to be an 'appliance' image that runs from a USB boot device from the get-go.
[4:07] <Kamilion> In fact, I don't even know if the ubiquity installer works, I havn't tested it in like 6 months
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[4:08] <Kamilion> but I can tell you, I have machines that have been running these builds for ~150 days
[4:08] * Kamilion waves and jets
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[4:14] <ali1234> "the point is, it's *known* to be non-patent encumbered"
[4:14] <ali1234> no that doesn't make sense...
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[4:16] <Peppi> hello
[4:16] <Peppi> trying to mount my NAS on my pi. Should I be using samba or cifs?
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[4:20] <Kamilion> ali1234: google's not willing to take patent claims to court for webm
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[4:26] <Kamilion> ali1234: also, cisco's throwing their hat in the mix as well too with https://github.com/cisco/thor
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[4:37] <JakeSays> hey do you guys know how to switch the default version of gcc that is used?
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[5:36] <WACOMalt> Hey folks. Is there a good guide for making raspbian be resilient to power interrupts?
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[5:36] <WACOMalt> or, is there even any way to do that
[5:36] <KG5HEU-Preston> the only thing that i know to do is make a battery pack that is rechargeable that provides usb power out of it while it is being charged at the same time
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[5:38] <WACOMalt> Dang
[5:38] <WACOMalt> I heard of people mounting the root filesystem from a flash drive with some format that was a bit more resilient
[5:40] <kradenn> WACOMalt: most issues are SD card related, and making the filesystem as read-only as possible could possibly help, but it's not perfect
[5:40] <WACOMalt> ah, gotcha
[5:40] <KG5HEU-Preston> it isn't that hard you can actually get something that is already made up just have to use it to power the pi up
[5:41] <WACOMalt> Yeah I've seen kits. I should probably just get one.
[5:41] <WACOMalt> I did wire in a interrupt button that runs via python on boot.
[5:41] <WACOMalt> safely shuts down if you click it
[5:41] <WACOMalt> but thats only useful against lazy unplugs.
[5:42] <WACOMalt> Ideally I wouldnt have a big battery pack, but maybe just enough of one to keep it on when it detects loss of power and initiate a shutdown
[5:43] <Berg> run it off your kar ciggy lighter with a usb adaptor
[5:43] <Berg> :)
[5:43] <KG5HEU-Preston> http://www.amazon.com/Duracell-Instant-Charger-Universal-Cable/dp/B002FU6KF2/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1439350866&sr=1-1&keywords=battery+powered+cell+phone+charger <--- that would do what you are wanting to do WACOMalt
[5:44] <WACOMalt> well, it'd do more than I want it to do on the power side, and none of what I want it to do on the automation side :P
[5:44] <WACOMalt> I have a few battery packs already to play with
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[5:45] <WACOMalt> if its sitting running in a corner headless, loses power, I'd never know currently. and then the battery would eventually die
[5:45] <WACOMalt> but, you are right. should be easy to make something like I need
[5:45] <KG5HEU-Preston> well that would allow you to shut it down if it was to lose power on the power socket without causing issues
[5:45] <WACOMalt> right
[5:46] <WACOMalt> but for my application I'm never actually looking at the pi
[5:46] <WACOMalt> I wouldnt know
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[5:48] <KG5HEU-Preston> ah that would be a bit of an issue
[5:49] <KG5HEU-Preston> me personally i don't know how to run something like that headless and so it isn't an issue
[5:49] <WACOMalt> oh this is annoying... Pi wont boot, BUT I'm able to see the root filesystem is fine
[5:49] <WACOMalt> I can mount it in windows (the ExtFS as well as the small Fat32 boot partition)
[5:49] <WACOMalt> I guess I'll just grab what I want to save :/
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[5:51] <KG5HEU-Preston> WACOMalt: if you was running Linux Mint i bet you could recover everything that you wanted
[5:51] <WACOMalt> well, I do have a mint partition
[5:51] <WACOMalt> but I can grab everything on windows just fine
[5:51] <WACOMalt> (thanks to Paragon ExtFS for Windows)
[5:52] <KG5HEU-Preston> oh do you run Linux in general on any computer at all
[5:52] <KG5HEU-Preston> other than your pi
[5:52] <WACOMalt> I do.
[5:52] <WACOMalt> My PC is TriBoot. Windows 10, OS X, and Linux Mint
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[5:53] <WACOMalt> i dont like choosing because they all suck equally and all are cool equally :)
[5:53] <WACOMalt> but honestly the only thing I need to save is a single python script I wrote for it. so I'm fine
[5:53] <KG5HEU-Preston> ah i see
[5:54] <WACOMalt> I wrote down the rest of my setup scripts. This machine is made to be a pandora radio box, and USB music player.
[5:54] <KG5HEU-Preston> i am wanting to learn how to write programs and that is one of the reasons for me to get the pi in the first place now i need to get a few other things for it before i really dive into learning to program such as a better monitor
[5:54] <WACOMalt> But I'm repurposing it to be a Midi Keyboard synth
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[5:55] <WACOMalt> A better monitor is not at all a necessity lol. text editing doesnt need high res or good color :P
[5:55] <KG5HEU-Preston> you could also store those scripts on github and wouldn't have to worry about losing it
[5:55] <WACOMalt> true that
[5:55] <WACOMalt> You know what... I'm gonna try to do that. then I can just have a git clone line in my setup instructions. Thanks for suggesting!
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[5:57] <WACOMalt> man, thank science for this USB 3.0 port. Writing a 14GB img file would suck a lot more without it
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[5:58] <KG5HEU-Preston> np WACOMalt
[5:59] <KG5HEU-Preston> like i said i would love to learn to write programs and make different programs work out of the box but i am not any good at that sort of thing
[5:59] <KG5HEU-Preston> but i am willing to learn
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[6:00] <KG5HEU-Preston> i get so far on learning python and then i get dumbfounded by the technical jargon thrown at me all at once
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[6:08] <WACOMalt> haha I just made my first github repo! :D
[6:08] <WACOMalt> has a grand total of one python script lol
[6:08] <WACOMalt> https://github.com/WACOMalt/WacoPiScripts
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[6:12] <WACOMalt> hmmm
[6:12] <WACOMalt> whats the best distro for pi2 for doing audio?
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[6:12] <WACOMalt> like a synthesizer
[6:12] <WACOMalt> is low latency gonna even be possible?
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[6:15] <WACOMalt> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HRfP_w4xWms This is my goal.
[6:17] <kradenn> WACOMalt: on-board sound is not particularly impressive on the pi, you will almost definitely need a dedicated audio board for that
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[6:19] <exonormal> what do I need to do to make Youtube work on my pi?
[6:19] <exonormal> it says "missing plugin"
[6:19] <WACOMalt> a browser that supports html5
[6:19] <KG5HEU-Preston> exonormal: i think you will have to download the flash plugin on the web browser
[6:19] <WACOMalt> I think midori it worked in
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[6:19] <WACOMalt> chromium worked but badly
[6:20] <exonormal> what's the terminal command?
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[6:22] <WACOMalt> uh...
[6:22] <WACOMalt> sudo apt-get install midori chromium
[6:22] <WACOMalt> then type midori or chromium to launch
[6:23] <exonormal> I am using Epiphany
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[6:29] <Berg> iceweasel
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[6:30] <Berg> i dont like the flash plugins i have them blocked
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[6:30] <Berg> iceweasel supports html5
[6:31] <exonormal> ok ty
[6:32] <exonormal> so I just do apt-get install iceweasel?
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[7:05] <Berg> my pi kicked my pc off net
[7:05] <Berg> nasty pc
[7:05] <Berg> nasty pi
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[7:18] <exonormal> lol
[7:18] <exonormal> called operator error
[7:19] <KG5HEU-Preston> what are you laughing about sabbie
[7:19] <Berg> nar i cant be to blame
[7:19] <exonormal> oh come on
[7:19] <KG5HEU-Preston> exonormal*
[7:19] <KG5HEU-Preston> sorry about that sabbie
[7:19] <exonormal> lol
[7:19] <Berg> how did iceweasel go exonormal
[7:19] <Berg> there is a lot of plugins irc chat etc
[7:20] <exonormal> ok
[7:20] <exonormal> not so sweet
[7:20] <Berg> plays youtube?
[7:20] <exonormal> yeah kinda iffy
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[7:20] <Berg> got to the youtube.com/html5
[7:20] <Berg> lets you set html5 as default
[7:20] <exonormal> ok looking
[7:21] <Berg> you need to be on the pi iceweasel
[7:23] <exonormal> ok how do I find iceweasel?
[7:23] <exonormal> in the pi
[7:23] <KG5HEU-Preston> type in iceweasel in the terminal of the pi
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[7:26] <exonormal> didn't work
[7:26] <KG5HEU-Preston> well look in the start menu of rasbian
[7:26] <todkon> sup foo'z! Anyone know how I'd go about writing a script to automatically restart my Edimax adapaters wifi connection to the router either when it senses that it's been disconnected or every few hours? Also, would a cron job for such a script be most ideal or is there a better way?
[7:27] <Berg> https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=16054
[7:27] <Berg> script
[7:27] <Berg> as for the cron i dont know
[7:27] <Berg> make that script autostartup
[7:28] <todkon> well hot damn, thanks a bunch Berg, helpful as ever
[7:28] <todkon> for sure! I'll try it in my startup
[7:28] <Berg> you have startup program i dont?
[7:28] <Berg> i might have to unstall it
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[7:29] <Berg> i run that from terminal on start
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[7:35] <todkon> haha sorry, was being vague... I just meant in my shells autostart, ~/.zshrc
[7:35] <Kamilion> Berg: /etc/rc.local
[7:36] <todkon> hm, Kamilion I forgot about rc.local
[7:36] <Kamilion> i'd actually suggest using something like supervisord instead, heh
[7:37] <Kamilion> but that's probably overkill
[7:37] <Kamilion> todkon: also, check out /etc/network/if-post-down.d/
[7:38] <exonormal> ok, iceweasel finally installed after the update and upgrade and update, lol
[7:39] <Berg> so i can put that script in that rs.local?
[7:39] <Kamilion> somewhere around in /etc/network/if-*.d would be a good place, and if the interface goes down when the adapter loses connection, if-down.d or if-post-down.d would be likely places to force a reconnect
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[7:42] <Kamilion> I opted for a different route, a tplink tl-wr703N patched with a short flat ethernet cable to the pi.
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[7:48] <Berg> this will work i hope
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[7:48] <Berg> should work only time will tell mum
[7:49] <Berg> least have idea about it no n eeding to install software
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[7:55] <The_Borg> ok now thats bad i have 2pi's running on irc
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[8:04] <WACOMalt> why is that bad?
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[8:06] <Xark> We won't know which is the "real" Borg, until we trick it with a riddle and smoke pours from its head. :)
[8:07] <Xark> Haven't you ever seen Star Trek? Jeez...
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[8:08] <Xark> "I am lying". :)
[8:09] * Xark 's hed asplodes...
[8:10] <The_Borg> resistance is futile
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[8:11] <The_Borg> tested wifi disable wifi to pi enable after a short time it reconnected
[8:11] <The_Borg> wonderfull
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[8:12] <The_Borg> now back to the time continuum you all love to hate
[8:13] <WACOMalt> anyone know why rasplex on my pi2 would freeze at the full screen color box?
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[8:21] <Berg> WACOMalt: thats bad because i cant stop kicking meself
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[8:35] <Lina> o/
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[8:38] <pokui> hi all, anyone here comfortable using fim? a tool to display images on the frame buffer i.e console without needing X ?
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[9:27] <samtunez> hi all :)
[9:28] <samtunez> is there a way to use the sd-card from my raspberry pi b ob a b+?
[9:28] <samtunez> it seems to lack the network drivers
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[9:32] <KG5HEU-Preston> samtunez: you might be able to do "sudo apt-get update && upgrade" while it is still installed in the model b and see if it will upgrade it completely and then insert it into the the b+ and see if it will then pickup the network otherwise i think you will have to start from scratch
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[9:53] <samtunez> okay I'll try that
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[11:04] <samtunez> so i tried the upgrade and the rpi-update and it still dosnt work. I cannot reinstall because I'm using raspbx and the image i have is new
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[11:06] <ShorTie> what network drivers are missing ??
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[11:20] <samtunez> i looked at dmesg and there it loads smsc95xx but if i try to ifup eth0 it says: err, eth0: ioctl SIOCGIFHWADDR: no such device
[11:20] <samtunez> ShorTie:
[11:23] <ShorTie> where did you get this image from ??
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[11:25] <ShorTie> hmmm, Modifying Asterisk manager to listen on localhost only
[11:26] <samtunez> ShorTie: i got it from the raspbx website
[11:29] <ShorTie> Asterisk is supplied by RasPBX repositories, use raspbx-upgrade to get updates
[11:29] <ShorTie> so the other update/upgrade doesn't sound right, to me atleast
[11:30] <ShorTie> and rpi-update is not always the best option to use
[11:30] <samtunez> ShorTie: okay I'm running raspbx-upgrade
[11:30] <ShorTie> i'd start over with a wipe-n-reload
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[11:31] <ShorTie> checking download images crc too....
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[11:33] <samtunez> I've spent the past two days(if not more) configuring the RasPBX
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[11:34] <samtunez> reinstalling is not yet an option
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[11:37] <ShorTie> with good notes it should only be a few miniutes now
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[12:00] <samtunez> yeah i'll try whether the problem is with the image or something else
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[12:33] <samtunez> okay so when i use a newly installed image it works, but if i switch this card to another rpi then it again doesnt work
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[12:34] <samtunez> and i nerd to find a workaround because I have to install the image onto several Pis...
[12:35] <samtunez> I think it has to do with the Mac address of the Pi, and the other ones with a different one ´then confuse the software
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[12:47] <nid0> whatever your image is, just make sure it isn't statically expecting a specific mac address in its interface configuration
[12:48] <nid0> because different pi will = different mac address
[12:51] <samtunez> where can i configure that?
[12:52] <samtunez> in /etc/network/interfaces is no mac address
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[13:03] <pokui> samtunez: are the pis identical?
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[13:53] <Ryvius> Help, my new RaspPi2 has microSD, while my old RaspPi has normal SD. How do I copy my system over to microSD?
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[13:55] <t3chguy> Ryvius: http://lifehacker.com/how-to-clone-your-raspberry-pi-sd-card-for-super-easy-r-1261113524
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[13:56] <pksato> Ryvius: use Win32DiskImager or dd on linux/mac/others
[13:56] <SpeedEvil> There are adaptors
[13:56] <SpeedEvil> They are uncommon
[13:57] <SpeedEvil> But DD or whatever is the right way
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[13:57] <SpeedEvil> dd
[13:58] <pksato> or other disk image tools.
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[13:58] <SpeedEvil> Yeah
[13:59] <Ryvius> But my workstation is windows... I'll try with DiskImager
[14:00] <pksato> but, if is a big sd (>8GB) and have lots of free space. take a long time... Manual partioning and file copy is more quick.
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[14:11] <SpeedEvil> Or better, make a sparse disk image on a loopback
[14:11] <Ryvius> Is it possible to boot the pi from USB?
[14:11] <t3chguy> Sure, if you put a bootloader on the microSD
[14:11] <t3chguy> BerryBoot can do this and is very easy to use
[14:11] <t3chguy> actually
[14:11] <shauno> sort of, but no. there's instructions to have a first stage on the sd card, but the rootfs on usb. but you can't boot 100% usb
[14:11] <Ryvius> Okay, so it starts from SD...
[14:11] <t3chguy> you can use BerryBoot to clone the OS from a different device onto itself
[14:11] <t3chguy> and it provides multi-boot if wanted
[14:12] <Ryvius> In that case the old Pi is already set up like that. Will it be enough to move both SD and USB over to the new Pi2, will it be able to boot from that?
[14:13] <shauno> depending how old the original OS was, you may need rpi-update to get the supporting files for the pi2. if you have a kernel7.img in your boot partition, you're probably already golden
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[14:14] <Ryvius> I have done apt-get upgrade and distupgrade on it, before all this
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[14:16] <Ryvius> uh oh, the new MicroSD is smaller than the SD...
[14:17] <Ryvius> It probably wont be able to write the image onto it then, right...?
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[14:19] <Ryvius> If not, I'll just set it up from scratch.
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[14:27] <Ryvius> Yep it can't write it... will dd still work with different size cards?
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[15:50] <hosler> dd works with all sized cards
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[15:55] <t3chguy> hosler: he means stepping the size of the image down
[15:56] <shauno> I think he means dd'ing a filesystem to a card which is smaller than that filesystem, may be messy
[15:56] <t3chguy> by a factor of a half
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[15:57] <hosler> it will work until it runs out of room
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[15:58] <hosler> and probably result in broken system
[15:59] <hosler> if it's just a bunch of 0's at the end of the image then it might work
[16:00] <shauno> right. dd itself won't care, but the actual result won't be in line with his intentions
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[16:01] * pokui just uses dd without skipping zeros and then bzip
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[16:47] <keviv> So I'm looking at trying to capture and reproduce a radio signal programmatically. I've never worked with stuff like this before, and I don't even know what frequency it's broadcast on (it's a fan remote). Anybody have any experience with stuff like this?
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[17:38] <evilroots> HI ALL
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[17:42] <evilroots> Looking to build a simulated missile Launch control panel - would a pi or arduino be suited to this?
[17:43] <evilroots> I like the pi becuase it can be connect to the internet and give a readout of status etc... but not sure if it suited for the project
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[17:53] <SpeedEvil> The pi can read switches
[17:53] <SpeedEvil> and output LEDs or sound
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[17:54] <SpeedEvil> only the pi can control high res displays or connect to the internet easily
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[17:56] <YddEOA> hey can someone give me a short list of what a raspberry pi can be used for?
[17:58] <swiss> drugs
[17:58] <swiss> obtaining drugs
[17:58] <swiss> smoking drugs
[17:59] <swiss> it's p bad at injecting them though
[17:59] <YddEOA> i see
[18:00] <hosler> YddEOA: sensor projects really
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[18:00] <hosler> and it's fun
[18:00] <YddEOA> anything else useful to people that dont smoke or do drugs?
[18:00] <hosler> but the only real value is the GPIO pins
[18:00] <YddEOA> sensor projects?
[18:00] <hosler> yeah connecting various sensors to a computer
[18:00] <Armand> You could use it as a mini-desktop, but it's not that quick.
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[18:01] <hosler> it would be even more useful if they gave it an ADC
[18:01] <hosler> so we could sample stuff
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[18:01] <hosler> also when you are too lazy to use a microcontroller you can opt for pi
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[18:02] <Davespice> folks, Linux question, anyone know how to view what is shown on the main terminal getty if you're logged in over SSH remotely?
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[18:02] <YddEOA> there's this kit that comes with a tiny monitor and keyboard
[18:02] <YddEOA> should i get a kit?
[18:02] <YddEOA> and er what exactly are gpio pins?
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[18:03] <hosler> Davespice: you gotta do some hacking to monitor other peoples terminals
[18:03] <hosler> YddEOA: if you are just bored and looking for something to do then pi is a good option
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[18:04] <Davespice> yeah, I'm in a situation where a process has crashed in a wierd failure mode and I need to see what the error was
[18:04] <YddEOA> well im mainly getting into programming
[18:04] <hosler> Davespice: i dunno how to help you out now, but if you start using screen/tmux you can save your sessions in the background for when they crash. makes for easy debugging.
[18:04] <Davespice> yeah I should have started the test within a screen, d'oh!
[18:05] <hosler> YddEOA: i think pi was built for python training
[18:05] <hosler> or something
[18:05] <YddEOA> mm yeah i want to learn python
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[18:05] <hosler> you dont need pi to learn pythong, but it might make it more fun
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[18:06] <hosler> YddEOA: maybe get a kit with sensors so you can learn about GPIO and how to control/read with python
[18:06] <YddEOA> lol i just joined #swift to find that it wasnt about the programming language
[18:07] <YddEOA> ill try to find one hosler
[18:07] <YddEOA> what about the wifi thing? should that be necessary?
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[18:08] <hosler> if you want wifi
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[18:10] <YddEOA> wait is there ethernet on the thing?
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[18:16] <YddEOA> what are some /really/ simple things i can program on a raspberry pi apart from hello world?
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[18:16] <ShorTie> got any led's ??
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[18:17] <YddEOA> haven't even got the thing yet
[18:17] <Lina> YddEOA: start with python quite easy langage
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[18:17] <YddEOA> yeah
[18:17] <ShorTie> start with C
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[18:18] <YddEOA> im gonna learn both of them anyway
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[18:18] <YddEOA> wait not c, c++
[18:19] <YddEOA> and swift x.x
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[20:07] <samskiter> Ahoy. i dont seem to be able to get any GPIO pins to work as outputs on bank 1 of the compute module. any tips or thing to check? I have tested pins 34,35,36,36,44 and I don’t seem to get any response setting them to drive high but i can get gpio 12 and 13 (they are on bank0) to work
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[20:55] <evilroots> ouch
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[20:55] <evilroots> any luck
[20:55] <evilroots> good power?
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[21:01] <hosler> evilroots: are you setting them as outputs?
[21:01] <hosler> i mean samskiter
[21:01] <samskiter> hosier yea]
[21:02] <hosler> and you checked with voltmeter?
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[21:02] <samskiter> yea. nada
[21:02] <samskiter> if i read it back after i set it, its low
[21:02] <hosler> and they can still read fine?
[21:03] <samskiter> those adjacent can
[21:03] <hosler> i mean the ones you cant use as output
[21:03] <hosler> they can still read as input?
[21:03] <samskiter> haven’t tried that
[21:04] <hosler> also try adding a resistor for when they are set as output
[21:04] <hosler> there might be some internal pulldown messing things up
[21:04] <samskiter> hosier, it’s not circuitry i dont think as ive taken the wires from 12 and 13 that are working and placed them onto 34/35 and still not working
[21:05] <samskiter> device tree config for 12/13 is the same as those not working
[21:05] <hosler> you may have blown them out
[21:05] <hosler> were you connecting those pins directly to gnd when set as output?
[21:06] <samskiter> nope
[21:06] <samskiter> i cant see how i blew them all out
[21:06] <hosler> it's easy for me to ruin my gpio pins on anything that has gpio pins because im dumb
[21:06] <samskiter> if they are blown out, they might still work as inputs right? so i have no way of knowing
[21:07] <hosler> dunno
[21:07] <samskiter> 34,35,36,37 are attached to a CMOS chip inputs.
[21:07] <samskiter> (a 4511)
[21:07] <samskiter> maybe i need to get another CM to test if i have bust them.
[21:07] <samskiter> grrr
[21:08] <hosler> are they getting more than 3.3v?
[21:08] <samskiter> huh?
[21:08] <hosler> i think the gpio pins are 3.3v on pi
[21:08] <hosler> cant hook up 5v logic to them
[21:08] <samskiter> yea they are
[21:08] <samskiter> (as in they are 3.3v gpio on the pi ,yes)
[21:09] <hosler> sounds like bad pins, or the software library you are using isnt setting them up correctly
[21:09] <samskiter> software library?
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[21:10] <samskiter> im using a device tree and “raspi-gpio”
[21:10] <hosler> python?
[21:10] <samskiter> no
[21:10] <samskiter> raspi-gpio
[21:10] <hosler> is that a program or something?
[21:10] <samskiter> (command line tool)
[21:10] <hosler> ok
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[21:11] <samskiter> evilroots: no, no luck yet :(
[21:11] <samskiter> i’ll maybe do as hosier suggested and check if they work as inputs
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[21:13] <samskiter> thanks for trying…
[21:13] <hosler> it's what we do
[21:13] <hosler> try
[21:13] <samskiter> :P
[21:14] <samskiter> ive got a post pending on the raspi forums…. see if there’s anything there int he morning
[21:14] <hosler> samskiter: if it does turn out to be dead pins, you might want to make a 3.3v buffer so it doesnt happen again
[21:15] <samskiter> i didnt ever connect the external circuitry up to anything other than the 3v3 line from the pi
[21:15] <samskiter> so i doubt it’s that
[21:15] <hosler> oh
[21:15] <hosler> try this GPIO(OUT)->resistor->led->gnd
[21:15] <samskiter> yea, it’s all powered off the CM
[21:15] <hosler> see if that makes the led turn on
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[21:16] <samskiter> i have tried GPIO(OUT)->LED->Resistor->GND i have tried GPIO->CMOS chip input
[21:16] <hosler> oh well
[21:16] <samskiter> i have tried 3v3 -> resistor -> LED -> gpio
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[21:17] <samskiter> gpio12/13->cmos chip works. gpio34,35,36,27.44 -> smos chip doesn’t work
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[21:19] <heller__> samskiter: what are you up to
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[21:19] <samskiter> summary: i dont seem to be able to get any GPIO pins to work as outputs on bank 1 of the compute module. any tips or thing to check? I have tested pins 34,35,36,36,44 and I don’t seem to get any response setting them to drive high but i can get gpio 12 and 13 (they are on bank0) to work
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[21:19] <heller__> samskiter: have you tried wiringpi
[21:19] <samskiter> inputs are working 38-43
[21:19] <samskiter> heller__: what’s wiringpi?
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[21:20] <samskiter> im using raspi-gpio so far to keep things simple
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[21:20] <samskiter> oh, i’ve seen wiringpi before...
[21:20] <heller__> http://wiringpi.com/the-gpio-utility/
[21:20] <heller__> samskiter: you can control input with it
[21:20] <heller__> and use gpio readall to easily see if pins are input/output and high or low
[21:20] <samskiter> whats the difference between that and raspi-gpio?
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[21:21] <heller__> what is raspi-gpio? :)
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[21:21] <samskiter> heller__: https://www.raspberrypi.org/documentation/hardware/computemodule/cm-peri-sw-guide.md
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[21:21] <samskiter> Raspberry Pi provide the raspi-gpio package which is a tool for hacking
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[21:23] <heller__> samskiter: dont use it
[21:23] <heller__> seems complicated :)
[21:23] <samskiter> ?
[21:23] <heller__> what do you want to do
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[21:24] <samskiter> it is exactly as complicated as the gpio utility from wiringpi afaict
[21:25] <samskiter> I want to get outputs 34,35,36,37 & 44 working
[21:25] <heller__> do you mean pins or BCM pins?
[21:25] <samskiter> i mean gpio pins
[21:25] <heller__> what number map are you using
[21:26] <samskiter> gpio 34-37 and gpio 44 i would like to get working. i have gpio 12 and gpio 13 working just fine
[21:26] <samskiter> not familiar with number maps
[21:26] <samskiter> my inputs on bank1 seem to be fine.
[21:27] <heller__> http://raspi.tv/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/Raspberry-Pi-GPIO-pinouts.png
[21:27] <samskiter> i already said im using a compute module
[21:27] <samskiter> so im using none of those
[21:28] <heller__> dont know whats that
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[21:28] <samskiter> the raspberry pi compute module?
[21:28] <heller__> does anyone know a "shield" for raspberry pi which i could easily attach ds18b20, dht22(am2301) and perhaps some other sensors?
[21:28] <heller__> samskiter: yeah
[21:28] <samskiter> yea. im using that
[21:29] <heller__> ah that one
[21:29] <heller__> may i ask why?
[21:29] <samskiter> for the project im working on we need something small and with plenty of GPIOs and access to both i2c buses
[21:30] <heller__> why both?
[21:30] <heller__> and why not rpi a?
[21:30] <samskiter> 1 for the camera and 1 for peripherals
[21:30] <heller__> or is it a+
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[21:31] <samskiter> because space is as a premium too. the CM is bvery small
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[21:31] <heller__> raspberry pi A+ is small too?
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[21:32] <samskiter> compute module is smaller (thinner)
[21:32] <samskiter> and about the same area
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[21:33] <heller__> okay
[21:33] <heller__> dont really know both of them
[21:34] <heller__> i like rpi 2, but it has alot of unneeded stuff for me
[21:34] <heller__> i'd be happy with half the gpio and two usb ports
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[21:34] <Kopharex> Hello everyone, i'm new to the raspberry pi. I was wondering if someone could help me, i'm trying to install Jasper on my raspberry.
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[21:34] <heller__> i might have to draw and order a custom PCB with the right stuff for me
[21:34] <samskiter> the compute module offers 45 gpio pins and is good for mounting on another board as it has a v low profile. its just a DIMM socketcard
[21:34] <Kopharex> sudo apt-get -t experimental install phonetisaurus m2m-aligner mitlm - It keeps saying phyton is an unmet dependency
[21:35] <Kopharex> even though phyton is the latest version
[21:35] <heller__> samskiter: yeah its awesome on being a so-dimm card
[21:35] <heller__> stick it in your laptop :)
[21:35] <t3chguy> what on earth is "phyton"
[21:35] <heller__> pythons smaller brother
[21:35] <Kopharex> python*
[21:35] <Kopharex> sorry, not a native speaker
[21:35] <samskiter> heller, well we can easily mount it to the board housing the peripherals
[21:36] <heller__> samskiter: what are you sticking it into?
[21:36] <heller__> some custom pcb?
[21:36] <samskiter> yup
[21:36] <heller__> what does it have?
[21:36] <samskiter> motors and sensors and junk
[21:37] <heller__> oh it has 4GB of ram
[21:37] <heller__> thats mad
[21:37] <samskiter> oh yea, thats cool too… its pretty tricked out
[21:37] <samskiter> the bare bones of a pi. all the advantage of the common tools/software but you can attach only what you need
[21:37] <traeak> this x86 ?
[21:38] <heller__> what sort of psu you have for it?
[21:38] <samskiter> im not designing the electronics. itll be some switch mode thing i imagine
[21:38] <heller__> okay
[21:39] <samskiter> boost converter from a battery
[21:39] <heller__> and one thing i would like, is that the usb ports would not be sticking OUT of the board
[21:39] <heller__> rather inwards
[21:39] <samskiter> that’s awkward for mounting in a box
[21:39] <heller__> so you dont have usb-dongles sticking out of your case
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[21:39] <heller__> actually yes, two ports inwards, two ports out
[21:39] <heller__> awesom
[21:39] <heller__> do it!
[21:39] <samskiter> ?
[21:39] <samskiter> ok im going
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[21:47] <Kopharex> can anyone help me?
[21:49] <traeak> heh, just post away
[21:49] <heller__> he did
[21:49] <heller__> Kopharex: paste the whole output
[21:50] <traeak> uhoh
[21:50] <Kopharex> http://pastebin.com/yFFjWuwe
[21:50] <Kopharex> there
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[21:52] <heller__> Kopharex: https://github.com/jasperproject/jasper-client/issues/193
[21:52] <Kopharex> read that
[21:53] <Kopharex> the alternative is to compile the whole thing on the device
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[21:53] <Kopharex> but one of the package links is outdated, i get a 404 error when downloading it with wget
[21:54] <Kopharex> so i can't go that way either
[21:55] <Kopharex> well, i guess i'll have to reinstall everything with the jasper SD image.
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[22:00] <DelphiWorld> yo
[22:01] <soapdish> lo
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[22:04] <hosler> ho
[22:04] <DelphiWorld> i love shaireplay
[22:04] <DelphiWorld> shairplay
[22:04] <hosler> i love cosplay
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[22:05] <DelphiWorld> seriously i loooove shairplay
[22:05] <DelphiWorld> airplaying audio from my iOS
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[22:08] <DelphiWorld> there's no audio input on the pi or pi2?
[22:08] <CoJaBo> nope
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[22:09] <CoJaBo> You can addd a USB one tho
[22:10] <t3chguy> or just get a tiny ADC Chip and plug it into GPIO
[22:13] <SyncYourDogmas> Linux doesn't require a display manager right, has anyone removed theirs on the pi?
[22:14] <t3chguy> a lot of people use their Pi's headless
[22:14] <t3chguy> for just a command line
[22:14] <ali1234> i never installed one, does that count?
[22:15] * CoJaBo same
[22:15] <Roonix> what distro do you use ali1234 ?
[22:15] <SyncYourDogmas> I use it headless most of the time, just with TV it's there. And nah, guessing you installed arch, I'm on raspian
[22:15] <CoJaBo> t3chguy: I didn't even have a working monitor when I got mine
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[22:16] <CoJaBo> That is actually QUITE difficult to set up tho <_<
[22:16] <t3chguy> CoJaBo: lol
[22:16] <t3chguy> Well I chose Ubuntu Mate so had no choice
[22:16] <ali1234> Roonix: raspbian
[22:16] <t3chguy> as it has no users when you first load the image
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[22:16] <CoJaBo> Mine, I had to configure wifi by modifying the SDcard, plug it in, and hope everything was correct
[22:17] <CoJaBo> Took about 50 tries
[22:17] <SyncYourDogmas> I'll just purge the damn thing and fix anything that breaks
[22:18] <CoJaBo> I have one connected to the TV too
[22:18] <CoJaBo> Been meaning to connect an IR module to it so I can control it with the actual remote
[22:18] <traeak> some distros dont' have a display server
[22:19] <traeak> i'm on void linux :-p
[22:19] <traeak> it seems to bother some people that i dislike systemd and prefer something dramatically simpler and better engineered :-p
[22:20] <t3chguy> I prefer upstart to systemd
[22:20] <traeak> i believe runit (used by systemd) has a total of about 1100 lines of code
[22:20] <SyncYourDogmas> What's the difference between void and gentoo? First I've heard of it
[22:21] <traeak> it does process monitoring in addition to starting them up
[22:21] <traeak> void is more like arch linux
[22:21] <traeak> used to be
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[22:22] <SyncYourDogmas> Hmm, I do like arch, I'll look it up
[22:22] <traeak> i installed void on a thinkpad
[22:22] <traeak> like it very much for that
[22:23] <traeak> runit takes a little bit of figuring out
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[22:43] <bedah> woohoo! i'm booting my raspi for the first time - yesterday i built some 3amps++ power supplies
[22:44] <traeak> heh
[22:44] <traeak> that's why i never should have taken EE. i never enjoyed messing with soldering stuff
[22:45] <bedah> all i did was taking some cheapo chinese switching power supplies, soldering some cable to it, and then i powered up an oscilloscope
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[22:45] <bedah> also i have an 10watt usb stick now :D
[22:46] <H__> LOL
[22:46] <bedah> needed some resistance for watching the ripple
[22:46] <traeak> the most sodlering i do now is inside bass guitars, etc
[22:46] <traeak> well i guess i did solder a few pipe joints earlier this summer
[22:47] <t3chguy> lol I cut a corner
[22:47] <t3chguy> 6A Digital Buck Boost converter
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[22:52] <hosler> gentoo on pi
[22:52] <hosler> yay for fun
[22:52] <traeak> thrash yer flash
[22:53] <Encrypt> asdfmovie9 out!
[22:55] <DReynolds> Hi all. Im trying to plan a pi internet radio (nothing new i know, but still). . I want the whole thing in one box with one power supply. I've been looking at running the Pi from a powered USB hub along with a 5v speaker amp, but thats not going to produce much in the way of nice sound. .. Does anyone know of a better way to run Pi and speaker amp from the same power suppy? pref in a budget
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[23:01] <hosler> find a nice 5v usb powered speaker
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[23:01] <CoJaBo> DReynolds: Depends how loud you want it
[23:02] <hosler> or at a 12v source and create some rails. 5v for pi and 12v for everything else.
[23:02] <t3chguy> I was just about to suggest that hosler lol
[23:02] <traeak> i have a powered usb hub and
[23:02] <traeak> umm
[23:02] <t3chguy> or a decent buck boost converter that has constant 12V or constant 5V along with the variable output
[23:02] <hosler> moar rails!
[23:03] <t3chguy> or wait
[23:03] <t3chguy> just buy a cheap ATX Power Supply
[23:03] <CoJaBo> If you have 12v, and are lazy, just add on one of those car power adaptors for the pi
[23:03] <t3chguy> that can power a Pi on standby
[23:03] <hosler> t3chguy: those are huge
[23:03] <t3chguy> hosler: BUT THEY WORK xD
[23:03] <hosler> yeah
[23:03] <traeak> http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00MLNDCBS
[23:03] <traeak> nothing wonderful though
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[23:03] <hosler> that looks weird
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[23:04] <hosler> traeak: i would do btaudio and find a sweet wireless speaker
[23:05] <DReynolds> well the thing is, an enclosed 5v speaker wont fit in the box im using for it, why I was hoping to have the bare cones etc. and creating a 5v rail from a 12v power suppl;y, im not sure i know how to do that
[23:05] <t3chguy> I got a recomendation for BT Speaker
[23:05] <traeak> yeah my wife just watned something at the time and i got that for a lot cheaper
[23:05] <t3chguy> Sound Blaster Roar hosler
[23:05] <traeak> but its runnig off the powered usb with no problems
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[23:05] <CoJaBo> DReynolds: You can find premade 12 to 5v boards, or just rip one out of a car adaptor
[23:05] <traeak> i'm just using this for testing at the moment
[23:05] <t3chguy> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/New-Dual-Double-2-USB-DC-DC-Car-Converter-Module-12V-To-5V-3A-15W-Power-Adapter-/121473300443?hash=item1c485f77db
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[23:05] <t3chguy> one of those
[23:06] <t3chguy> dual USB output
[23:06] <hosler> DReynolds: 5v regulars are like 50 cents
[23:06] <hosler> regulators*
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[23:07] <CoJaBo> I have dozens of them just laying around; phone adapters with the old USB connector that are now otherwise useless
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[23:07] <hosler> old usb
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[23:07] <CoJaBo> Whatever the hell its called
[23:07] <hosler> i dunno
[23:07] <t3chguy> mini
[23:07] <DReynolds> so if i got a 12v amp like this https://www.adafruit.com/products/1752 and pulled that converter off the power supply to the pi,. thatd work?
[23:07] <hosler> is mini no longer used?
[23:08] <CoJaBo> When C comes out, I'll call it the "old old USB"
[23:08] <t3chguy> lol CoJaBo, you a Debian user I presume?
[23:08] <t3chguy> hosler: its very rarely used
[23:08] <CoJaBo> t3chguy: ..yes?
[23:08] <t3chguy> most things prefer micro
[23:08] <t3chguy> CoJaBo: its Debian's standard of oldness
[23:08] <CoJaBo> t3chguy: (Kubuntu, but close enough)
[23:08] <CoJaBo> lol
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[23:08] <hosler> doesnt PI have pwm?
[23:08] <t3chguy> stable, oldstable, oldoldstable etc
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[23:09] <t3chguy> hosler: it does, but only via the Analog audio output
[23:09] <CoJaBo> old³stable
[23:09] <t3chguy> and using it as a custom PWM output is rather hacky
[23:09] <t3chguy> lol CoJaBo I vote thats an improvement
[23:09] <hosler> i wish pi didnt neglect the analog
[23:09] <t3chguy> hosler: if you use a custom PWM output, you'll lose the Pi's analog audio output
[23:10] <CoJaBo> You can do PWM thru a kernel driver tho, but it's mostly useful only for driving servos and LEDs and such
[23:10] <DReynolds> hosler: so, the 5v regulator, where does that come in?
[23:10] <hosler> and making voice modulator for ransom calls
[23:11] <hosler> DReynolds: if you have 12v supply you need to drop it down to 5v for pi
[23:11] <t3chguy> DReynolds: it goes between your supply and pi
[23:11] <ant_thomas> DReynolds: I've been playing with some Pi + Amp combinations recently and there always seems to be ground loop issues when using the same power supplies even with a 12v to 5V converter for the Pi
[23:12] <hosler> DReynolds: if you make your own dont forget the tank capcitors on the rails
[23:12] <DReynolds> does it got with http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/New-Dual-Double-2-USB-DC-DC-Car-Converter-Module-12V-To-5V-3A-15W-Power-Adapter-/121473300443?hash=item1c485f77db. or instead of it?
[23:12] <ant_thomas> I've used CM108 based USB sound cards (99p off ebay) which sound much better than the Pi audio, or an I2S sound card which is even better. Either way, I've struggled to get rid of the ground interference unless I use a separate power supply for the Pi
[23:12] <DReynolds> ant_thomas: hmmmm, that might cause an issue :S
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[23:14] <mixfix41> raspberry rules
[23:14] <ant_thomas> I've used a ground loop isolator to improve things on the same supply but it's not perfect. Certainly when using the USB sound card you can "hear" the network activity as interference. Can't remember if I've tried it with the I2S sound card
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[23:22] <ali1234> ant_thomas: i would use a powered hub and put that on the isolator
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[23:23] <ant_thomas> ali1234: the isolator I have is purely for audio
[23:24] <ali1234> yeah, you want your audio DAC to be isolated from everything else
[23:24] <ali1234> if you hear the network card on the audio, then you need to isolate those things from each other
[23:26] <DReynolds> im gonna need 2 power leads to this box arent i :(
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[23:27] <hosler> DReynolds: i think btaudio is what you need
[23:27] <ant_thomas> DReynolds: At the moment that's what I've got :( but it is something I want to solve....somehow!
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[23:28] <DReynolds> hosler: btaudio. .. is that audio over bluetooth?
[23:28] <ant_thomas> In my case it seems a waste to have a 19V supply powering my amp and not being able to tap off it to power the RPi. I need to look at it all again sometime
[23:28] <traeak> sounds like it :-p
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[23:29] <hosler> DReynolds: yeah
[23:29] <CoJaBo> ant_thomas: Just use a car adaptor then lol
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[23:30] <DReynolds> hosler: How is the speaker powered? can it be done with breakout boards and a cone rather than an enclosed speaker
[23:31] <t3chguy> DReynolds: I have a great idea
[23:31] <t3chguy> get a SoundBlaster Roar, it has USB Out
[23:31] <t3chguy> 15V input from the wall
[23:31] <t3chguy> add a small case for the pi onto the bottom of it
[23:31] <t3chguy> very sleek looking thing, awesome sound quality
[23:32] <t3chguy> the USB Out can be used to power the Pi
[23:32] <t3chguy> I think it has a built in soundcard so you could use USB to transfer the audio instead of bluetooth also
[23:33] <traeak> youch, not exactly cheap
[23:33] <t3chguy> so damn worth it though
[23:33] <traeak> but yeah doing the circular usb of death would be the way to go
[23:33] <t3chguy> it sounds almost as good as my 7.1 setup, within a small unit
[23:34] <traeak> paid full retail for it?
[23:34] <t3chguy> I got it for £130
[23:34] <t3chguy> I think RRP is £180
[23:34] <DReynolds> thats what i just saw :P also, the issue is, the project idea is a box like this: http://images.stockfreeimages.com/550/sfi/free_5502784.jpg ... two speakers in the lid (open when in use), pi in the base with a 20x4 LCD and rotary encoders for navigation
[23:34] <t3chguy> I got it during release so it was cheaper
[23:35] <t3chguy> I also got a free pair of very good creative headphones with it lol
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[23:40] <traeak> after moving a coule of months ago i finally got around to actually hoolking up my ancient sonic impact t-amp to a couple of pioneer speakers
[23:40] <traeak> and an old sony sub
[23:40] <traeak> a shame these boxes aren't even close...oh well
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[23:42] <ant_thomas> I'm using TPA3116 amps
[23:43] <traeak> slightly more power
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[23:44] <traeak> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Finished-TPA3116-2-1-50W-50W-100W-Class-D-AMP-Amplifier-Board/111299676080 this looks nice
[23:44] <traeak> ahh the bass drive
[23:45] <t3chguy> I use these everywhere http://www.sonicelectronix.com/item_22277_Blaupunkt-GTA460-GTA-460.html
[23:45] <traeak> and its...gone
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[23:49] <ant_thomas> If you don't mind just a bare board, then this is incredible for the price - http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2-100W-TPA3116-D2-Dual-Channel-Digital-Audio-Amplifier-Board-12V-24V-for-Arduino-/271953212445?hash=item3f51acb41d
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[23:50] <ant_thomas> I have one of those connected to an RPi with ES9023 I2S adapter and a pair of ceiling speakers in the bathroom. Nice little setup for the price
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