#raspberrypi IRC Log


IRC Log for 2015-08-14

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[0:00] <Kamilion> for a short script, no problem
[0:00] <Berg> i have it in my life and i love it
[0:00] <Kamilion> but in something huge, I'd avoid doing stuff like that
[0:00] <Berg> its in a short script
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[0:00] <Kamilion> yeah, that's something I'd refactor out early as the script grew
[0:00] <Kamilion> probably as soon as it was more than one .py
[0:01] <Berg> script is finnished never to grew to maturaty poor script
[0:01] <Kamilion> I love absolute imports
[0:01] <Kamilion> from auth.authmodel import AuthModel
[0:01] <Berg> yeah they seem to be tidy
[0:01] <Kamilion> looks in auth/authmodel.py for AuthModel
[0:01] <Berg> yes
[0:02] <Berg> i use similar
[0:02] <Kamilion> works in py2.7 and py3.x
[0:02] <Berg> im still hjolding off on 3
[0:02] <Kamilion> I test most of my code under both so that it works without modification on either.
[0:02] <Kamilion> it's not hard.
[0:02] <Berg> i know its there
[0:03] <methuzla> from auth.authmodel import AuthModel as CookieMonster #more fun way
[0:03] <Berg> print() missing will make it fail and i have bad habit of print ""
[0:03] <Kamilion> avoid using old crud like "some %s replacement" % mystring, avoid print "this thing", get to print("some {} replacement {} for {}".format(mystring, mybool, myfloat))
[0:04] <Berg> \ask cookiemonster great ill use that
[0:04] <Berg> as
[0:04] <Berg> im teach my granson of 8 some python
[0:04] <Berg> that will go down well
[0:04] <Kamilion> print("some {} replacement {} for {}".format(mystring, mybool, myfloat)) <--- .format is LOVELY.
[0:04] <Kamilion> print("some {0} replacement {2} for {1}".format(mystring, mybool, myfloat)) <--- look, I just changed the order.
[0:05] <Kamilion> and you can still understand it when I do. ;)
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[0:05] <Berg> ooo
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[0:05] <Berg> your hurting my brain too early in the morning
[0:05] <Kamilion> sorry, haha
[0:05] <Kamilion> but I just love that it just takes {} as a placeholder for anyything
[0:05] <Berg> i like that
[0:06] <Berg> is that in 2 and 3?
[0:06] <Kamilion> the old % replacment had you specify the type inside the string you were formatting
[0:06] <Kamilion> yes!
[0:06] <Kamilion> it's in 2.6, I think!
[0:06] <Berg> well well well
[0:06] <Berg> ill have to remember to tell my mentor
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[0:07] <Kamilion> I watched a couple videos on youtube on how to write for 2 and 3
[0:07] <Kamilion> basically showed a couple pointers like that
[0:07] <Berg> youtube is good fgor that
[0:08] <Kamilion> it was not a huge deal
[0:08] <Berg> yeah
[0:08] <Kamilion> the biggest problem is trying to support python 3.0 and 3.1
[0:08] <Kamilion> because they lacked the u'this is a unicode string' shortcut that python2 did
[0:08] <Berg> i learn everything from youtube how to plank etc
[0:08] <Berg> :)
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[0:09] <Kamilion> so it was really hard to write code that would run on both 2 and 3 when you were already dealing with unicode on 2
[0:09] <Berg> yeah
[0:09] <Berg> i have a problem with unicode
[0:09] <Kamilion> 3.2 reintroduced the u'unicode string' shortcut
[0:09] <Berg> i hate it
[0:09] <Kamilion> so now it's possible to write code that will run on 2.7 and 3.3-3.5
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[0:10] <Kamilion> fortunately, python 3.0 and 3.1 never really ended up in any distros
[0:10] <Berg> hmm
[0:10] <Kamilion> 3.4 landed in the last LTS ubuntu
[0:10] <Kamilion> and it was 3.2 for a long while before that
[0:10] <Berg> i dont know what i have atm i dont pay much attention to 3
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[0:10] <Kamilion> it's probably 3.4
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[0:10] <Kamilion> if not, it doesn't much matter
[0:11] <Berg> Python 3.4.0 (default, Jun 19 2015, 14:20:21)
[0:11] <Berg> yeah
[0:11] <Kamilion> 3.2-3.5 havn't changed much
[0:11] <Kamilion> if you're on 3.3 all you really need is pip install enum34
[0:11] <Kamilion> which will get you the enum module from 3.4
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[0:11] <Kamilion> and that seems to be enough
[0:12] <Berg> what bugs me about python is if you dont know what libs do what you have no chance
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[0:12] <Kamilion> what do mean, 'what they do'? how they work, or what purpouse they serve?
[0:13] <Berg> all the above
[0:13] <Kamilion> https://github.com/vinta/awesome-python <-- if it's the latter, a look on github or stackexchange helps.
[0:13] <Berg> if you dont know each lib
[0:13] <Berg> i use stackexchance all the time
[0:13] <Kamilion> here's most of the useful libraries outside of stdlib, with a link and a sentance about each
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[0:14] <Kamilion> https://pypi.python.org/pypi <--- and here's where to look for them once you know their name and what they do
[0:14] <Kamilion> that is where pip looks for packages
[0:14] <Berg> i use pip
[0:14] <Kamilion> so if it's not on pypi, pip generally won't find it
[0:14] <Berg> my issue is memory
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[0:15] <Berg> its not so goods
[0:15] <Kamilion> yeah, so use a quickreference like this: https://github.com/vinta/awesome-python
[0:15] <Karlton> there is probably man pages for it on Unix
[0:15] <Berg> but i always rely on google is your friend
[0:15] <Kamilion> (it's just a readme.md with a bunch of links)
[0:15] <Berg> :)
[0:15] <Kamilion> Karlton: Actually, I'm honestly not sure how much of python is documented using the unix Man or Info system
[0:15] <Berg> i saved that one
[0:16] <Kamilion> Berg: if you have a github account, star it and you'll get emails whenever it updates.
[0:16] <Karlton> Kamilion: I don't know, but C documented well
[0:16] <Berg> i have github
[0:16] <Kamilion> aye, and python is pretty much "a method for calling C code"
[0:16] <Karlton> if i didn't know what malloc does I could just type 'man malloc'
[0:17] <Kamilion> oh, python has a similar system if you use it's REPL/shell
[0:17] <Kamilion> malloc?
[0:17] <Kamilion> dir?
[0:17] <Kamilion> except?
[0:17] <Kamilion> except??
[0:17] <Kamilion> it's quite useful because you can use it on instantiated objects
[0:17] <Kamilion> and if they have a documentation string attached, it will be printed for you.
[0:17] <Karlton> "The malloc() function allocates size bytes and returns a pointer to the allocated memory."
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[0:18] <Kamilion> I wasn't asking -- I was pointing out the syntax.
[0:18] <Karlton> but the man pages basically tell you everything
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[0:18] <Karlton> even what headers to include
[0:18] <Kamilion> yes, and in python, the language itself is introspectable, so it will tell you everything as well.
[0:18] <Berg> no itds bitbucket
[0:19] <Berg> hmm
[0:19] <Karlton> well python is implemented in C so it can use the same libraries
[0:19] <Kamilion> yep!
[0:19] <Kamilion> very easily, too
[0:20] <Kamilion> from ctypes import cdll
[0:20] <Kamilion> lib = cdll.LoadLibrary("target/release/libembed.so")
[0:20] <Kamilion> lib.process()
[0:20] <Kamilion> print("done!")
[0:20] <Berg> now look what you started a topic about python ...your a bad berg
[0:20] <Berg> sorry
[0:20] <Kamilion> C code executed in 3 lines of python.
[0:20] <Kamilion> so simple I can paste it on IRC ;)
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[0:21] <Berg> 3 lines is spamming
[0:21] <Berg> hehehe
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[0:21] <Kamilion> it was six in total, and yeah, that was a bit spammy.
[0:21] <Kamilion> but it's logged.
[0:21] <Berg> i actualy try and make python to do anything in the least amount of lines
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[0:21] <Kamilion> someone can come back six years later and be randomly reading some of this
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[0:21] <Kamilion> eh, it's best not to over-trim your code
[0:22] <Kamilion> remember, it gets converted into a .pyc before execution
[0:22] <Berg> or million years === ooo dear me my stupidity has outlived me
[0:22] <Kamilion> so your .py size has no real bearing on the final product once the comments and stuff are removed in the .py -> .pyc process
[0:22] <Kamilion> it's had a built in minify for like, 10 years now... XD
[0:22] <Berg> i always use comments i dont count them as code
[0:23] <Kamilion> https://github.com/kamilion/kaizen/blob/master/auth/authmodel.py <--- I try to document things heavily.
[0:23] <Berg> i saw your style its nice
[0:23] <Kamilion> if you've got a second and your head doesn't hurt too badly, I could use another pair of eyes on it
[0:24] <Berg> hmm whats wrong?
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[0:24] <Berg> nothing just a proof read?
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[0:24] <Kamilion> Nothing's wrong -- I'm trying to write it so that other people can use it too, so it's best to get as many people to read it as possible to make sure that's the case.
[0:25] <Kamilion> and that's one of my more complex modules for a website
[0:25] <Kamilion> like, I duplicate comments in a bunch of places
[0:25] <Kamilion> is that a good thing or is it just noise to someone 'newish' to python?
[0:27] <Kamilion> https://github.com/kamilion/kaizen/blob/master/auth/authmodel.py#L221 <--- in places like this, does it seem natrual to you to see the variables replacing the elements below the elements themselves?
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[0:28] <Kamilion> I still consider myself a beginner at python
[0:28] <Berg> i dont think someone newish to python would understand much of this
[0:28] <Kamilion> well, yeah, I suppose encryption is a little too much to throw at someone
[0:28] <Kamilion> XD
[0:29] <Berg> is the user active is odd
[0:29] <Berg> it dont do anything
[0:30] <Kamilion> line 69ish?
[0:30] <Berg> yes
[0:30] <Kamilion> those get called from some other places
[0:30] <Berg> not from the user?
[0:30] <Kamilion> and yes, they're just shortcuts to make code later on more readable
[0:31] <Berg> ok
[0:31] <Kamilion> so I can do things like if not is_active:
[0:31] <Kamilion> well, actually, that won't work
[0:31] <Kamilion> lol
[0:31] <Kamilion> since it's a function, I'd have to add the ()
[0:31] <Berg> makes ya thinks?
[0:31] <Kamilion> well, the issue here is specified in the head of the class
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[0:32] <Kamilion> "This reusable class needs to impliment the methods that flask-login expects: is_active, is_authenticated, is_anonymous, get_id, __eq__, __ne__"
[0:32] <Kamilion> so those are methods that flask-login will call
[0:33] <Kamilion> so instead of writing a whole login system by myself, I provide flask-login a small class
[0:33] <Berg> i was using bottle.cork in some places
[0:34] <Berg> you seen that author lib?
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[0:36] <Berg> i think the variables and elements being as you have them makes it easier to understand
[0:37] <Berg> i cant say bad things cause this is way m,ore complex then i can write
[0:38] <Berg> i just had a brain fail i thought channel logging was off
[0:38] <Berg> its not
[0:38] <Berg> coffee time
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[0:47] <Berg> why does github need to have adobe flash installed?
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[0:50] <Kamilion> Berg: it uses flash to do file uploads
[0:50] <Karlton> it doesn't
[0:51] <Berg> adobe flash does file transfer?
[0:51] <Berg> hmm
[0:51] <Kamilion> it's not required, of course. But yeah, it'll use flash if it's around for a couple things like that. And yes, it can do data transfers both ways.
[0:51] <Kamilion> also access your microphone and camera.
[0:51] <Kamilion> (flash, not github)
[0:51] <Berg> i dont have flash installed i also hate it
[0:51] <Berg> yes understood
[0:52] <Kamilion> flash is best understood as a stopgap between HTML3.0 and Geocities-era sites and HTML5.
[0:52] <Kamilion> because everyone 'hated' flash, most of it's featureset was incorporated into html5.
[0:52] <Kamilion> so if we didn't have that abomination, we wouldn't have the nice things we do today.
[0:52] <Berg> heheh
[0:53] <Berg> it also was very hackable
[0:53] <Berg> i like html5
[0:53] <Kamilion> Funny thing too -- ActionScript is pretty much ECMAScript, which is the specificaion Javascript is based on
[0:53] <Berg> seems stable
[0:53] <Kamilion> so they're all mostly related, Re: scripting layouts
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[0:53] <Berg> what do you think about qt?
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[0:54] <Kamilion> I have no positive nor negative opinions about it.
[0:54] <Kamilion> I used to.
[0:54] <Berg> ok
[0:54] <Kamilion> but I'll point out that I'm using kvirc to chat with you, which is qt based.
[0:54] <Berg> you do know they dropped support for there qtscript?
[0:55] <Berg> its still there but i understand its stopped dev on it
[0:56] <Berg> I should write a IRC client that uses kivi
[0:56] <Berg> hehehe
[0:57] <Kamilion> I honestly don't follow much about QT's development
[0:57] <Kamilion> I know some historical stuff about it
[0:57] <Kamilion> from the trolltech -> nokia -> microsoft days
[0:57] <Kamilion> but afaik they're on their own again
[0:57] <Kamilion> and as far as I can see, the latest rewrite of the core, QT5, isn't too shabby.
[0:58] <Kamilion> I tried out kubuntu's KDE Plasma 5 thing a couple months ago... It seemed to be about as usable as the modern Windows 7/8/10 era
[0:59] <Kamilion> but even on windows 7, I'm using a very simple black background and have most of the fancy Aero transitions and stuff disabled, although I *AM* running Aero to get GPU compositing for stuff like chrome.
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[1:01] <Karlton> I am against any libraries written in C++
[1:01] <Kamilion> I don't really need or want much. Some people like tiling window managers... I'm just really comfortable with the Lubuntu style. Taskbar at the bottom, tray to the right, appmenu to the left. No silly sidebars. No annoying mac menubar everywhere.
[1:02] <Kamilion> Karlton: I am against any libraries written in poor C++
[1:02] <Kamilion> QT's honestly not so bad. Compared to, say, boost...
[1:02] <Kamilion> *shudder*
[1:02] <Kamilion> or worse yet, "look at me, i wrote my own string class!"
[1:03] <Kamilion> That is to say, it's possible to write good code in any language. ... As much as it pains me to admit, even PHP.
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[1:03] <Karlton> oh and I can't compile all of boost on my raspberry pi because GCC fails to compile some the inline ASM
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[1:03] <Kamilion> but I also have some issues with glibc, honestly
[1:04] <Kamilion> well, HAD. Most of those went away a number of years ago when the maintainer situation changed.
[1:04] <Karlton> only reason I have boost installed is for omxplayer
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[1:05] <Kamilion> that's really the more annoying thing than anything
[1:06] <Kamilion> I have on my livecd, qt4, qt5, gtk2, and gtk3
[1:06] <Kamilion> 400-500MB of my ISO image is compressed libraries.
[1:06] <Kamilion> I had to add qt5 just for cool-retro-term.
[1:06] <Kamilion> https://github.com/Swordfish90/cool-retro-term
[1:06] <Kamilion> 55MB of libs for a 400KB binary that's essentially just a pretty terminal. With shaders.
[1:07] <Kamilion> but, I made sure to include the python bindings for all of them
[1:08] <Kamilion> cause if they're gonna be around, might as well make them useful in a dynamic manner.
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[1:11] <Kamilion> and it's more likely that I'll be writing future GUI tools around QT rather than GTK+
[1:11] <Kamilion> lxde is becoming lxqt, after all. so my beloved lubuntu will probably change.
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[1:14] <Berg> i just installed lxde on my play pi
[1:14] <Berg> seems nice
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[1:19] <Kamilion> lxde? the default theme is a bit ugly, but it's usable.
[1:19] <Kamilion> Lubuntu's theme feels much more home-y with it's gradients
[1:19] <Kamilion> LXDE feels like I'm stuck in 2004
[1:20] <hosler> i like lxdm
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[1:22] <Kamilion> lxdm? Not familiar wit hthat
[1:22] <Kamilion> last I knew they were using lightdm as their displaymanager, didn't know they had their own
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[1:24] <Berg> i just change the defa7ult toheme
[1:24] <Berg> blank black everything
[1:25] <Berg> like 50's retro style desktop
[1:25] <Berg> hehehe
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[1:28] <Karlton> I just use DWM, its even more minimal
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[1:33] <Kamilion> eh. I think this sums it up for me: http://files.sllabs.com/files/images/user_interfaces.png
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[1:37] <Karlton> yeah: https://imgrush.com/efIYHcRouV4v.png :)
[1:37] <Kamilion> nice and clean.
[1:38] <Kamilion> I, uh, use a second monitor for IRC.
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[1:40] <Kamilion> http://puu.sh/jAF5q/09c00e01a8.jpg
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[1:43] <traeak> any way to screenshot all virtual desktops?
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[1:44] <Kamilion> I think scrot might have something to do that -- check scrot --help
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[1:46] <Karlton> I think it might be WM specific but not sure
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[1:55] <Karlton> my web browser is Elinks: https://imgrush.com/qSG7JJ12w6U_.png :)
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[1:58] <Karlton> can view image by pressing v to launch an external image viewer like feh
[1:58] <Kamilion> are you running under framebuffer console only?
[1:58] <Karlton> no, but I could though
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[1:59] <Kamilion> hmm, if I remember right elinks2 had a nice -g graphical mode
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[2:03] <Karlton> I don't keep up with all the different links versions, but yeah I have that one too
[2:04] <Karlton> just don't like it as much
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[2:04] <Kamilion> these days I mostly make do with midori
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[2:05] <Karlton> with Elinks you can view images on the framebuffer by using an image viewer like fbi
[2:05] <Kamilion> at least, it's the browser preinstalled on my livecd builds, as chromium was ~230MB...
[2:05] <evilroots> where do i get a pi at?
[2:05] <Kamilion> would have pushed my ISO over a gigabyte in size
[2:05] <evilroots> best price?
[2:05] <Kamilion> evilroots: there's lots of places, where about are you in the world?
[2:06] <Kamilion> washington state, eh?
[2:06] <Kamilion> There might be a microcenter nearby that carries them.
[2:06] <Kamilion> If there's a Fry's around, that'll be another place
[2:06] <Kamilion> but I dunno if they've gotten that far north yet
[2:07] <evilroots> seattle
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[2:07] <Kamilion> yeah, I geoip'd you
[2:07] <Berg> where am I?
[2:07] <Berg> see how good this is
[2:08] <Kamilion> well, i can tell right away from your whois that you're in austrialia.
[2:08] <Berg> australia is third world internet
[2:08] <Berg> you can do better then that?
[2:08] <Kamilion> sure, nsw shows you're in new south wales.
[2:08] <Kamilion> I can do that off the top of my head. lol.
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[2:08] <Berg> its a big place
[2:09] <Berg> show me my house
[2:09] <Kamilion> https://www.google.com/maps/place/33%C2%B051'41.4%22S+151%C2%B012'19.8%22E/@-33.8615,151.2055,17z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m2!3m1!1s0x0:0x0
[2:09] <Kamilion> how close is this?
[2:09] <Berg> google earth
[2:09] <Kamilion> those are the coordinates I get.
[2:09] <evilroots> lol
[2:09] <evilroots> I havea ZNC
[2:09] <Berg> not bad middle of a highway 700kl away
[2:09] <evilroots> but its not turned on atm
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[2:09] <Kamilion> evilroots: wouldn't matter if you were hosting the ZNC from a comcast line
[2:10] <evilroots> if you geo me i look like im in france
[2:10] <evilroots> but not atm
[2:10] <Kamilion> odd that your reverse DNS doesn't resolve to a comcast.net hostname
[2:10] <evilroots> yeah
[2:10] <evilroots> xfinity hotspot
[2:10] <Berg> ok afk playing warzone
[2:10] <Kamilion> anyway, there should be a bunch of local retailers
[2:10] <evilroots> sitting on one, free wifi :P
[2:10] <Kamilion> best buy might
[2:10] <Kamilion> I don't know
[2:10] <evilroots> really?
[2:11] <Kamilion> sometimes the one down here does
[2:11] <Kamilion> but it's the only one I've ever seen carry it
[2:11] <evilroots> i'll look at there web store
[2:11] <Kamilion> I buy mine from http://centralcomputers.com/ locally
[2:11] <evilroots> if its not on there then its just the one
[2:11] <Kamilion> at their santa clara location
[2:11] <evilroots> what'da know
[2:12] <Kamilion> think it cost me $41 with tax for the $37 pi2
[2:12] <evilroots> they have the model b
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[2:12] <evilroots> 45.99
[2:12] <Kamilion> yikes
[2:12] <Kamilion> better off getting one with the NOOBs card shipped from amazin
[2:12] <evilroots> yeah
[2:12] <evilroots> Thinking i get it from amazon
[2:12] <Kamilion> go with the pi2, btw
[2:12] <Kamilion> it's one of the nicer SBCs I've used so far, and I've gone through a LOT
[2:13] <evilroots> due
[2:13] <evilroots> pi2
[2:13] <evilroots> duh*
[2:13] <evilroots> no reason to get a older version, plus i wan that ram!
[2:13] <evilroots> for me anyway
[2:13] <Kamilion> few places around here still stock the old model B+ only
[2:13] <evilroots> question
[2:13] <evilroots> how well does the pi2 handdel the rtlsdr?
[2:13] <traeak> have a microcenter handy ?
[2:13] <Kamilion> that was my first answer, traeak
[2:14] <Kamilion> should handle it pretty decently depending on what you're actually doing with it
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[2:14] <traeak> Kamilion: oops sorry...didn't scroll back far 'nuff
[2:14] <Berg> see the rasperry pi web site find a web agent for your country
[2:15] <traeak> for browsers i still sometimes use dillo
[2:15] <Kamilion> his local best buy has it for $45.99, apparently
[2:15] <Kamilion> lol
[2:15] <Berg> thats way high
[2:15] <traeak> no javascript, gotta love it
[2:15] <Berg> inUS dollars?
[2:15] <Kamilion> yeah, definitely better to order the 8GB NOOBS model from amazon instead
[2:15] <Kamilion> for the same price, IIRC
[2:16] <Berg> i paid 43 bucks AU for my pi2
[2:16] <Berg> that was from a pi agent
[2:16] <Berg> on du web
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[2:17] <Kamilion> http://centralcomputers.com/p-399128-raspberry-pi-2-model-b-project-board-open-frame-900mhz-1gb-ram-microsd-ethernet-hdmi-4x-usb-raspberrproductproduct.aspx
[2:17] <Kamilion> if you want someplace 'on the west coast' usa, central's probably a decent source. I got mine there.
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[2:18] <Kamilion> and for Berg, they do have a shenzen china location they can ship from too ;)
[2:18] <Berg> :)
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[2:19] <Berg> not if it was on the dock the other day
[2:19] <Kamilion> i like central cause they've been around for about 20 years at least, as a local place here in the san francisco bay area
[2:19] <Kamilion> they're one of the few places I can get inexpensive replacable chinese junk from without having to wait two weeks for shipping from dx.com or a few days for dxsoul.com
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[2:20] <Kamilion> http://centralcomputers.com/p-233876-hdmi-a-m-to-vga-f-adapter-whiteproduct.aspx <--- like these. Little on the expensive side if you're looking at it from an online perspective, but for in-store, $15.95 ain't bad.
[2:21] <Kamilion> works just peachy on my pi for VGA output, although I had to mess with the boot settings a bit to get it to do 1024x768
[2:21] <traeak> impressive. this will work on a lappy with hdmi only too?
[2:22] <Kamilion> yeah, anything that doesn't try to turn on hdcp
[2:22] <traeak> that drive specific
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[2:22] <traeak> driver specific i mean
[2:22] <Kamilion> so, that rules out bluray players, PS3s, and PCs running some specific software like powerdvd
[2:22] <Kamilion> but other than that, it works fine.
[2:23] <Kamilion> definitely works for VGA projectors and laptop HDMI ports
[2:23] <traeak> mostly thinking of presentation equipment that's ancient
[2:23] <Kamilion> i've done that a bunch of times with it at the local makerspace
[2:23] <Kamilion> as long as they're not some crazy old 640x480 thing
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[2:24] <Kamilion> most of the ones that say they support 800x600 have a real EDID table that it can read and pass on the supported resolutions.
[2:24] <Kamilion> the one at hackerdojo is 1600x1200 I think
[2:24] <traeak> a few projectors stll use the low res
[2:24] <Kamilion> yeah
[2:24] <Kamilion> the little LED backlit LCD projectors are often 800x600 LCDs
[2:25] <Kamilion> if you ask them to do 1024 or above they have to scale it
[2:25] <Kamilion> and in some cases, 848x400 :<
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[2:25] <Kamilion> "widescreen"
[2:26] <Kamilion> http://www.dx.com/p/vivibright-gp7s-mini-home-led-projector-w-vga-av-sd-usb-hdmi-dc-in-black-395535 <--- and on some of these cheap chinese ones, you have to be really careful. "480x320" native resolution.
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[2:27] <traeak> heh
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[3:15] <giant_g2> Hey all, any idea on when android will work on pi and if it will run netflix? I couldn't find anything conclusive on Google about this.
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[3:24] <fluffet> i thought android worked on pi's right now
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[3:27] <Karlton> if they don't already ask Google to compile it or release the source code
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[3:30] <Karlton> wouldn't be hard to port the broadcom raspberry pi specific stuff in rpi linux to android linux
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[3:31] <Karlton> and their userland already works on arm of course
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[3:42] <fnordz> hmmm, is there a rasplex irc channel?
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[3:43] <fnordz> have small issue, seems w/ rasplex I have to replug my hdmi after the splash screen if it's set to 1080p (seems i can leave it 1080p and switch the refresh rate lower than 60 to) and it works fine
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[3:43] <fnordz> however if i just switch the refresh rate or to 720p it works fine /shrug
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[3:49] <mixfix41> is there any good application like screen savers in console just something cool to look at
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[3:51] <mixfix41> giant_g2: do you have netflix going on a linux ? i'm having trouble with that part especially the web browser spoofing. i got it going onetime but then after the update it was just a no go.
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[3:52] <mixfix41> if theres not a repo and google doesnt solve it is where its at even on regular arch
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[3:55] <giant_g2> I don't have Netflix on it. I want a low power netflix box (like fire stick but uses ethernet)
[3:56] <mixfix41> its a bit interesting i was trying to catch up on x files but that ended it
[3:59] <evilroots> stupid network timeing out
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[4:01] <mixfix41> i would think if you could get it going through vlc be a guess. though its flash and utilizes silverlight still? youtube is streamable but only some of it on this
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[4:03] <fluffet> giant_g2 have you considered just using a chromecast? :P
[4:05] <giant_g2> I thought that was wifi not ethernet
[4:05] <fluffet> oh you are right
[4:05] <fluffet> it is wifi
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[4:06] <giant_g2> I know amazon has a box but it's $99
[4:08] * Xark notes Chromecast has a wired Ethernet adapter available now...
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[4:10] <evilroots> hi guys
[4:11] <evilroots> test
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[4:40] <warpie> fail
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[4:51] <MrMobius> hi
[4:52] <MrMobius> im thinking about getting an rpi because you can get a 5mp camera that plugs into the camera port
[4:52] <MrMobius> could i trigger it to take a picture from a python script?
[4:53] <MrMobius> or is there an easier way to automate taking pictures if you just want one still every now and then?
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[4:56] <mixfix41> youtube is iffy but netflix is actually the perfect app to try gettin it at cause the vids
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[4:56] <mixfix41> just the highest qualities are troubling
[4:57] <mixfix41> and x11 is not that fast but still
[4:57] <mixfix41> impressive
[4:57] <mixfix41> id be more inclined to try to get some website java apps going at good pace
[4:58] <mixfix41> though crashing the thing doesnt feel that good either
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[5:00] <Kamilion> MrMobius: a number of people have done that
[5:00] <Kamilion> https://www.raspberrypi.org/blog/picamera-pure-python-interface-for-camera-module/
[5:01] <Kamilion> as far as I know it's been working well since 2013.
[5:01] <MrMobius> neat
[5:01] <Kamilion> http://ftp.tuebingen.mpg.de/pub/kyb/towolf/raspberry-camera-streaming/
[5:01] <MrMobius> do you know by chance how hard it would be to write a driver for the camera port?
[5:02] <MrMobius> maybe throwing an rpi at it just to get the camera is overkill
[5:02] <Kamilion> Scroll down to the bottom and there is a downloadable 600MB image, says it works on iDevices, Android, Anything else that supports either Flash Player, HTML5 video, or RTMP streaming.
[5:03] <Kamilion> it's also set up to stream video as well as individual frames
[5:03] <Kamilion> http://www.arducam.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/OV5642_2592x19441.jpg
[5:04] <Kamilion> here's a high resolution sample frame from the normal pi camera module.
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[5:05] <MrMobius> Kamilion: is it fixed focal length?
[5:05] <Kamilion> depends on the lens mount you have
[5:05] <Kamilion> http://www.arducam.com/raspberry-pi-noir-camera-released/
[5:06] <Kamilion> the normal "NoIR" package from uctronics has a CS mount lens normally found on security cameras
[5:06] <Kamilion> http://www.uctronics.com/raspberry-pi-noir-camera-board-w-cs-mount-lens-compatible-with-official-module.html
[5:06] <Kamilion> http://www.uctronics.com/cs-m0550ir-3mp-3-megapixel-cs-mount-zoom-lens-for-raspberry-pi-camera-module.html
[5:06] <Kamilion> there are some zoom lenses available.
[5:07] <Kamilion> http://www.uctronics.com/cs-camera-lens-metal-mount-compatible-for-raspberry-pi-camera-with-gasket.html
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[5:07] <Kamilion> basically the deal is, you attach one of these to the pi's camera module
[5:08] <Kamilion> then most fixed focal CS mount lenses will work.
[5:08] <Kamilion> http://www.uctronics.com/plastic-fpv-pt-pantilt-camera-platform-anti-vibration-camera-mount-p-1265l.html There's also cheap pan/tilt mounts.
[5:09] <Kamilion> In the dark, they provide images like this: http://www.arducam.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/p2-1024x768.jpg
[5:11] <Kamilion> MrMobius: anything else? I'm not really a camera person so I couldn't tell you what aperture
[5:11] <Kamilion> I think they're like f/2.8
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[5:12] <MrMobius> Kamilion: i dont know much about cameras myself
[5:12] <MrMobius> Kamilion: thanks for all of the links. its helpful.
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[5:13] <Kamilion> MrMobius: if you're putting together something like a security camera, this might also be helpful: http://www.monoprice.com/Product?p_id=6687
[5:13] <Kamilion> a pi and camera mount fit inside nicely, if you flip the camera upside down, you can mount it from the celing too.
[5:14] <Kamilion> there's a wall mount bracket too. http://www.monoprice.com/Product?p_id=6697
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[5:15] <MrMobius> Kamilion: neat. i want to put an rc motor on a camera and take pictures underwater. a little MCU will do fine for all of that i just cant find anything over 2mp unless i move up to an rpi
[5:15] <Kamilion> oh. Err..
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[5:15] <Kamilion> Hm... Maybe you might want to look at using a Gopro hero 3/4 for that.
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[5:15] <Kamilion> the one with wifi-control can export 'live preview' frames over the wifi interface, and you can trigger full-size pictures or video recording.
[5:16] <Kamilion> I'd really recommend that over trying to underwater seal a pi
[5:17] <MrMobius> water sealing wont be hard and wifi is too high frequency to work underwater
[5:17] <Kamilion> that said, if you look around, there are a couple of tiny pi clones like the odroid-w that might be more suitable for that
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[5:18] <Kamilion> actually, wifi works very well under water -- it's based on 2.4Ghz, the vibrational frequency of hydrogen dioxide.
[5:18] <MrMobius> the rpi would basically idle and wait for one byte over its serial from the micro to take the picture. im trying to figure out if its worth it to be a glorified picture taker
[5:18] <Kamilion> yeah, that's probably overkill.
[5:19] <Kamilion> oh
[5:19] <Kamilion> arducam mini has a 5mp variant I think
[5:19] <Kamilion> lemme look
[5:19] <Kamilion> http://www.arducam.com/arducam-mini-released/
[5:19] <SyncYourDogmas> MrMobius: I'mintrigued to the point of fanatism with water related pi stuff
[5:19] <MrMobius> hmm thats news to me on the wifi. i had read that a frequency that high has no penetration and even 900mhz doesnt do well
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[5:20] <ali1234> HO2?
[5:20] <Kamilion> MrMobius: http://www.uctronics.com/mini-arducam-module-camera-shield-w-5-mp-ov5642-for-arduino-uno-mega2560-board.html
[5:20] <SyncYourDogmas> One day I'll have my UAV
[5:20] <Kamilion> sorry
[5:20] <Kamilion> dihydrogen monoxoide
[5:20] <Kamilion> *monoxide
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[5:21] <Kamilion> MrMobius: that might be just what you're looking for.
[5:21] <MrMobius> arducam looks slick
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[5:21] <ali1234> firstly it's a myth that 2.4GHz is the resonant frequency of water
[5:22] <Kamilion> ah, noted
[5:22] <ali1234> secondly if it was true that would mean that your radio signal is being used to heat up the water, ie it is absorbed
[5:22] <Kamilion> http://www.schoolphysics.co.uk/age16-19/Wave%2520properties/Wave%20properties/text/Microwave_ovens/index.html
[5:22] <SyncYourDogmas> Pi could analysis data and react to the environment a lotbetter. Current for example
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[5:22] <Kamilion> Microwave ovens operate at a frequency of 2.45 GHz (2.45x109 Hz) and this is NOT the resonant frequency of a water molecule. This frequency is much lower than the diatomic molecule resonant frequencies mentioned earlier. If 2.45 GHz were the resonant frequency of water molecules the microwaves would all be absorbed in the surface layer of a substance (liquid water or food) and so the interior of t
[5:22] <Kamilion> I see.
[5:22] <ali1234> i don't know if wifi works underwater or not
[5:23] <ali1234> my guess would be "not very well"
[5:23] <ali1234> i mean it barely works in air
[5:23] <Kamilion> I know it does, after using the gopro hero3 underwater.
[5:23] <Kamilion> about 60 feet.
[5:23] <MrMobius> Kamilion: what was the uctronics link? it doesnt load
[5:23] <Kamilion> MrMobius: the storefront link for the module
[5:23] <Kamilion> lemme pull up their ebay page instead
[5:25] <Kamilion> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Arducam-Mini-module-Camera-Shield-w-5-MP-OV5642-Arduino-UNO-Mega2560-board-/400930122400?hash=item5d594c2aa0
[5:25] <Kamilion> http://stores.ebay.com/electronicslee/ <--- uctronics on ebay
[5:25] <Kamilion> (this is the arducam guy himself, he works for uctronics)
[5:26] <MrMobius> hey that looks perfect
[5:26] <Kamilion> http://www.uctronics.com/mini-arducam-module-camera-shield-w-5-mp-ov5642-for-arduino-uno-mega2560-board.html <--- try from another browser or wget, maybe
[5:28] <Kamilion> again, I point out, this is the arducam guy -- do him a solid and buy from him direct if you have a chance instead of taking a chance with a clone from somewhere else
[5:29] <Kamilion> at the very least you'll get proper support
[5:30] <Kamilion> he spent like two hours on skype with me going over various things last december.
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[5:34] <MrMobius> Kamilion: thats neat
[5:34] <MrMobius> Kamilion: what did you use the camera for?
[5:34] <Kamilion> I was planning on buying 12
[5:34] <Kamilion> but my boss overrode me and bought an 8-camera Swann security system (which we're now having problems with)
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[5:35] <Kamilion> it turns out it relies on microsoft activex to show video in a browser.
[5:35] <Kamilion> and my boss is now super pissed that windows 10 removed it. :3
[5:35] <Kamilion> he has no idea what it is or how old it is
[5:36] <Kamilion> so, all I have is just the one prototype
[5:36] <MrMobius> heh, run it in a Windows 98 virtual machine
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[5:37] <Kamilion> http://paste.ubuntu.com/12077011/ <--- here's my notes from the project.
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[5:48] <callist0> so, anyone working on a specific project right now with the raspberry pi?
[5:51] <MrMobius> Kamilion: thanks for all the help
[5:51] <Kamilion> Sure thing, anytime.
[5:51] <Kamilion> Even when you don't want it. >:3
[5:51] * Kamilion floods you with links to products you'll never buy
[5:52] <MrMobius> :P
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[6:35] <WACOMalt> Hey folks. How can I set my pi to be locked at 1280x800?
[6:35] <WACOMalt> I am running rasplex if that matters
[6:36] <WACOMalt> also separately, is there a good multiboot setup that will allow me to even split my SD card between two operating systems? (Rasplex and Raspbian)
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[6:49] <SyncYourDogmas> Is there anything similar to atom or sublime text on raspian? Don't mind compiling
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[7:06] <Karlton> you could use atom...
[7:08] <Karlton> Vim or EMACS is the only thing I would recommend though :)
[7:11] <WACOMalt> Anyone know a good way to find a local store that carries raspberry pis ?
[7:12] <WACOMalt> I just moved to this town, know nothing around. Closest thing is a Fry's electronics which doesn't have them.
[7:13] <Berg> best is prolly goto raspberry opffical site and find a online agent
[7:13] <JK-47> thats weird. the frys i have been to have had them
[7:13] <JK-47> or microcenter
[7:13] <JK-47> other than that, theres always amazon
[7:13] <Berg> cost more
[7:14] <callist0> amazon costs more?
[7:15] <WACOMalt> JK-47, well they carry them
[7:15] <WACOMalt> just sold out
[7:15] <WACOMalt> I'm trying to get one local. tomorrow.
[7:15] <SyncYourDogmas> I use vim 100% of the time, good but Ido miss the pretty
[7:15] <WACOMalt> amazon means I've failed at that
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[7:16] <Berg> you only fail if you stop trying
[7:16] <SyncYourDogmas> Atom told me whereto shove it when I visited on tablet
[7:16] <SyncYourDogmas> Amazon prime ;)
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[7:17] <WACOMalt> SyncYourDogmas, I have that. no next day available
[7:17] <WACOMalt> plus my apartment sucks and I can only pick up packages on the weekend
[7:17] <Berg> i think the store in port macquarry has them
[7:17] <WACOMalt> was hoping to get it tomorrow
[7:18] <Berg> :)
[7:18] <WACOMalt> Also Port Macquarie is about a hemisphere away from me :P
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[7:19] <Berg> well you dinbt say what country just local
[7:19] <Berg> its local for me
[7:19] <WACOMalt> truuueee that
[7:19] <WACOMalt> Oregon, USA
[7:19] <SyncYourDogmas> How much do they cost in the states btw? There's eBay etc, Iwouldn't though
[7:19] <WACOMalt> Portland to be specific
[7:19] <WACOMalt> $42 is about what I see
[7:19] <WACOMalt> USD
[7:19] <Karlton> SyncYourDogmas: Vim supports 256 colours, I don't know what you mean by pretty
[7:19] <WACOMalt> up to $50
[7:19] <WACOMalt> http://www.oregon-electronics.com/x/home.php?cat=250 there we go! This is local
[7:19] <Berg> is that deleivered?
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[7:20] <WACOMalt> dont think so
[7:20] <WACOMalt> being imported, they cost a bit
[7:20] <tjcarter> Howdy neighbor!
[7:20] <Berg> i dont get it here is 43 bucks and 48bucks with tax delivered
[7:20] <WACOMalt> Hi tjcarter
[7:20] <Berg> aussie dollar is worth less then yanky dollar
[7:21] <tjcarter> $49 for a Pi 2?
[7:21] <tjcarter> Yikes.
[7:21] <SyncYourDogmas> Karlton: like usethem so much l wrote my own module :p
[7:21] <Kamilion> SyncYourDogmas: python's notebook stuff is useful outside of python now, there's a lot of 'kernels' for ipython notebook
[7:21] <tjcarter> Local or not, I'm going to element14/newark/wtf they call themselves if you don't have a $100,000 yearly budget to spend, or to Amazon.
[7:21] <Kamilion> http://blog.jupyter.org/2015/08/12/first-release-of-jupyter/
[7:22] <Berg> you should make a python OS for pi Kamilion
[7:22] <Berg> :)
[7:22] <Kamilion> I've often thought about it
[7:22] <Kamilion> I have almost all the components, including an init written in python3
[7:22] <tjcarter> Berg: I've been seriously considering trying to port GS/OS to the ARM
[7:23] <tjcarter> Berg: Because … why not?
[7:23] <Berg> i always like the reason "because"
[7:23] * tjcarter is thinking PalmOS-5-like.
[7:23] <SyncYourDogmas> Thanks will look into it
[7:24] <tjcarter> Emulates the '816 fully for well-behaved apps, but new apps can just run an "armlet" at any point.
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[7:25] <tjcarter> Less-well-behaved '816 apps would run in a full emulated ROM 01 or ROM 3 IIgs, and ProDOS 8 apps would run in an emulated //e
[7:25] <Kamilion> heh, I've gotten the atari ST's rom and GEMOS to run on my pi1 under m68k emulation.
[7:25] <Kamilion> never tried messing with the arm-specific amiga4 stuff
[7:25] <WACOMalt> is there any easy way to handle multiple possible resolutions detected automatically on startup?
[7:25] <Kamilion> they have some ppcs and only a few ARM accelerators
[7:26] <WACOMalt> I have a 1280x800 60hz monitor and a 19201080 60hz monitor.
[7:26] <tjcarter> Wherever possible, though, if I did it, you'd not emulate a complete system, but rather the hardware needed.
[7:26] <WACOMalt> the 1280x800 will not display video if it receives 1920x1080
[7:26] <tjcarter> So if possible, your modern storage device would be an "Appletalk" drive.
[7:27] <Kamilion> WACOMalt: on a pi2, I have all of the video modes stuff commented out
[7:27] <Kamilion> and I can hotplug between a 1366x768 HDMI monitor and a 1920x1080 hdmi monitor.
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[7:28] <WACOMalt> the 1280x800 will not display video if it receives 1920x1080
[7:28] <Kamilion> a phillips 15" and an LG 20"
[7:28] <WACOMalt> and it seems the pi will not autoswitch
[7:28] <Kamilion> probably because it doesn't have a scaler
[7:28] <WACOMalt> I have all commented out too
[7:28] <WACOMalt> well I get that
[7:29] <WACOMalt> but why is the pi not outputting 1280x800?
[7:29] <WACOMalt> automatically
[7:29] <Kamilion> does it's EDID identify that it can accept 1920x1080?
[7:29] <WACOMalt> I have no clue how I could know that
[7:29] <WACOMalt> but my PC detects it and sends the proper video signal
[7:29] <WACOMalt> without having to manually set it
[7:29] <Kamilion> http://www.edidreader.com/
[7:29] <Kamilion> or edid-decode at the terminal
[7:30] <Kamilion> sec, lemme see if it works on my pi2, I need to apt-get it
[7:30] <WACOMalt> oh
[7:30] <Kamilion> but the edid will be printed in xorg's log
[7:30] <WACOMalt> well, my pi is running rasplex right now. so no way to get to terminal
[7:30] <WACOMalt> :/
[7:30] <Kamilion> there's always another SD card, lol
[7:30] <Kamilion> there's no state in the pi itself, just the card.
[7:30] <WACOMalt> also... with no video, how will I do this?
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[7:31] <WACOMalt> or should I force it to 1280x800 first
[7:31] <WACOMalt> I dont have another card, so I'll have to backup and restore my current image
[7:31] <Kamilion> if the 1920 panel will deal with 1280x800, then you'll have to set that as the resolution
[7:31] <WACOMalt> dang, thats no deal
[7:31] <WACOMalt> is it a limitation on the Pi itself?
[7:32] <WACOMalt> (or do we not know that until I check the EDID?)
[7:32] <Kamilion> on the ubuntu-mate image, if you logout and login, it uses the new monitor resolution
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[7:33] <Kamilion> the desktop won't change resolution automatically, but the Monitors applet shows different choices depending on which of the two I have plugged in
[7:33] <WACOMalt> Oh. so if I set it to 1280x800 manually, then I could boot to mate, log out and back in and Id be at 1920x1080?
[7:33] <WACOMalt> gotcha
[7:33] <Kamilion> er no
[7:33] <WACOMalt> is ubuntu mate any good? I've never used it.
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[7:33] <Kamilion> if you have the 1280x800 plugged in, and autodetected
[7:33] <Kamilion> and you unplug it and plug in the 1920x1080
[7:33] <WACOMalt> well it never autodetects
[7:33] <Kamilion> the desktop would stary 1280x800 until you logout
[7:33] <WACOMalt> oh ok
[7:33] <Kamilion> then the next login, it pops at 1920x1080
[7:34] <Kamilion> because when xorg started, it redetects the resolution list
[7:34] <WACOMalt> Which would you say runs better, raspbian or ubuntu mate?
[7:34] <WACOMalt> speed-wise
[7:34] <WACOMalt> I'm making a synthesizer, and any lag is bad :/
[7:34] <Kamilion> ubuntu-mate, but I must admit, I removed all the mate packages and installed lubuntu-desktop instead
[7:34] <WACOMalt> thats fine. I'm going to try it out.
[7:35] <Kamilion> but I know ubuntu really well, I'm on the lubuntu-qa team and I make my own amd64 livecds.
[7:35] <WACOMalt> Thanks for the pointers. I'll do more research tomorrow.
[7:35] <WACOMalt> oh cool
[7:35] <Kamilion> I can tell you it requires a pi2
[7:35] <WACOMalt> yeah I usually use linux mint, ubuntu based, and has a mate version
[7:35] <Kamilion> it's an arm7 build
[7:35] <WACOMalt> so it wouldnt be a stretch for me
[7:35] <Kamilion> it won't run on the pi1's arm6
[7:35] <WACOMalt> yeah I'm on Pi2
[7:35] <Kamilion> rasbian will
[7:35] <evilroots> im about to oder my pi
[7:35] <evilroots> dont havea hdmi screen
[7:35] <evilroots> what do?
[7:35] <Kamilion> that's pretty much why rasbian exists
[7:35] <WACOMalt> woo, first one evilroots?
[7:35] <evilroots> yes
[7:36] <WACOMalt> evilroots, get one, or plug it into your computer monitor
[7:36] <evilroots> waiting for my check to clear at midnight'
[7:36] <Kamilion> I've got a little hdmi to vga dongle, cost me $15 locally
[7:36] <WACOMalt> there is HDMI > DVI adapters you could use if your monitor doesnt have HDMI
[7:36] <evilroots> how do i know what my screen is
[7:36] <WACOMalt> look at the back?
[7:36] <WACOMalt> does it have HDMI?
[7:36] <evilroots> i think its DVI but idk
[7:36] <evilroots> no i know it doesnt
[7:36] <Kamilion> dvi and hdmi are the same thing
[7:36] <evilroots> 2005 screens from walmart lol
[7:36] <evilroots> no hdmi
[7:37] <Kamilion> hdmi adds three pins to dvi, one for audio return, and two for CEC ethernet
[7:37] <Kamilion> all three are optional
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[7:37] <Kamilion> there are plenty of HDMI to DVI cables out there, passive
[7:37] <WACOMalt> http://www.naplestech.com/images/display-vga-dvi.jpg
[7:37] <evilroots> this will work? https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0002CZHN6/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=A14Z8PM770X23W
[7:37] <WACOMalt> which of these looks like it would fit?
[7:37] <WACOMalt> DVI and HDMI are not the same thing... But yes they are pretty interchangeable.
[7:38] <WACOMalt> DVI-A exists
[7:38] <WACOMalt> analog
[7:38] <Kamilion> http://www.monoprice.com/Product?p_id=2404
[7:38] <evilroots> Mine is the middle one
[7:38] <evilroots> goes to a 3rd one to get to my gpu
[7:38] <evilroots> so what do i have?
[7:38] <Kamilion> yeah, those are exactly what I'm talking about.
[7:38] <WACOMalt> yeah I have one of those
[7:38] <WACOMalt> they're perfect
[7:38] <evilroots> what do i need to get the pi to the screen?
[7:38] <Kamilion> DO NOT get the one listed as "HDMI to DVI without CE"
[7:39] <evilroots> can you get me a amazon link for me then?
[7:39] <evilroots> pretty please
[7:39] <evilroots> middle one is the screens cable
[7:39] <Kamilion> http://www.amazon.com/Monoprice-28AWG-Speed-Adapter-Ferrite/dp/B002KCTFLG/
[7:39] <WACOMalt> also, be sure to add hdmi_drive=1 to your config.txt
[7:39] <WACOMalt> once you set up your SD card
[7:40] <WACOMalt> that forces DVI mode
[7:40] <WACOMalt> but it should work without
[7:40] <evilroots> that isnt right cable
[7:40] <Kamilion> monoprice is a known good inexpensive (but not cheap) brand
[7:40] <Kamilion> http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/61GgQPyWtFL._SL1200_.jpg <--- that's not the right connector?
[7:40] <WACOMalt> oh dang
[7:40] <WACOMalt> you have VGA
[7:41] <WACOMalt> if its the middle
[7:41] <WACOMalt> VGA sucks :/
[7:41] <evilroots> VGA i think yes, it matchs
[7:41] <Kamilion> the middle?
[7:41] <WACOMalt> but you CAN convert it. it takes a slightly more expensive adaptor
[7:41] <Kamilion> OH, I was clicking the wrong link.
[7:41] <Kamilion> yeah, one sec, that's the exact adapter I was talking about before, lemme find it on amazon, they're cheap
[7:41] <YddEOA> hey, what type of kit should i get?
[7:42] <YddEOA> for the raspberry pi 2
[7:42] <WACOMalt> http://www.monoprice.com/product?p_id=6191
[7:42] <evilroots> thank you
[7:42] <WACOMalt> that will do it
[7:42] <WACOMalt> requires extra power
[7:42] <Kamilion> http://www.amazon.com/Female-Adapter-Converter-Projector-Notebook/dp/B00IVD019I/
[7:42] <Kamilion> the one I linked will not require extra power.
[7:42] <evilroots> to pricey lol
[7:42] <evilroots> Kamilion, thats it
[7:42] <WACOMalt> how does that work Kamilion?
[7:42] <evilroots> thank you
[7:43] <WACOMalt> Power over the HDMI?
[7:43] <WACOMalt> analog to digital requires power of some sort
[7:43] <evilroots> worst case i run it over ssh
[7:43] <WACOMalt> the one I have requires usb micro, but once its on I can unplug that and it keeps going
[7:43] <evilroots> but idk how to set it up first so its in ssh mode
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[7:43] <Kamilion> WACOMalt: power is supplied at every video port to provide the i2c bus known as DCC that hosts the 512 byte i2c rom containing the EDID resolution table of the attached monitor.
[7:43] <evilroots> fisrt pi and little luinx play
[7:43] <WACOMalt> Kamilion, I knew one or two of those words...
[7:44] <Kamilion> *sigh*
[7:44] <Kamilion> there's a rom chip in your monitor.
[7:44] <Kamilion> it has the resolution support tables in it.
[7:44] <Kamilion> it's 512 bytes long.
[7:44] <WACOMalt> so yes, power comes from the HDMI plug?
[7:44] <Kamilion> that chip needs power to run, so the hdmi and vga connectors supply it.
[7:44] <Kamilion> it's not much -- not enough to run a pi from
[7:45] <WACOMalt> Thanks for the explanation
[7:45] <WACOMalt> but... a yes would have worked lol
[7:45] <Kamilion> I think about a fifth of what's available at a USB port (which is 500ma, and I think the vga spec is 100ma)
[7:45] <Kamilion> it's enough to run an aruino
[7:45] <Kamilion> *arduino
[7:45] <WACOMalt> but that explains why mine will keep working once unplugged from external power
[7:45] <Kamilion> or something else around that power envelope
[7:46] <WACOMalt> This is the one I have: http://www.amazon.com/Cable-Matters%C2%AE-Gold-Plated-Active-Adapter/dp/B00879DM56/ref=pd_bxgy_147_img_z
[7:46] <Kamilion> you might be stressing the power regulator if it's really being forced to power your display
[7:46] <WACOMalt> but its not as handy as the one you linked
[7:46] <Kamilion> oh
[7:46] <WACOMalt> Kamilion, its not powering the display
[7:46] <Kamilion> yeah
[7:46] <WACOMalt> just the converter
[7:46] <WACOMalt> but you're still right
[7:46] <Kamilion> that should run off the hdmi power
[7:46] <WACOMalt> it does, but only after its been forced on with microusb
[7:46] <WACOMalt> its not a very good adapter...
[7:47] <Kamilion> okay, I'm guessing it's set up like this
[7:47] <Kamilion> inside, there's a main chip doing the work, and a little chip containing the rom code
[7:47] <Kamilion> there's enough power for the main chip to work
[7:47] <Kamilion> but it needs the USB cable connected for enough power to start up and the main chip to load the content of the rom code.
[7:48] <WACOMalt> sounds right
[7:48] <Kamilion> once it's actually *running* though, the rom probably isn't accessed again, and you can yank the power
[7:48] <Kamilion> still yeah, dirty
[7:48] <Kamilion> they're probably leaking a lot of current with cheap parts
[7:48] <Kamilion> I do have to point out though
[7:49] <Kamilion> the one I linked has very weak audio
[7:49] <WACOMalt> well, I wouldnt be using audio anyways
[7:49] <Kamilion> but it's there
[7:49] <WACOMalt> right... should work better
[7:49] <Kamilion> the other one I got from central computer doesn't even have a headphone jack
[7:49] <WACOMalt> but with no added power I'm surprised it works at all
[7:49] <Kamilion> and I paid $15 for that one, lol
[7:49] <YddEOA> wow there's this basic learning kit for the rpi thing
[7:49] <WACOMalt> mine has one, its also weak
[7:49] <WACOMalt> wait
[7:49] <Kamilion> YddEOA: what kind of things do you want to learn to do with your pi?
[7:49] <WACOMalt> no it doesnt lol
[7:50] <YddEOA> well i really don't know Kamilion
[7:50] <WACOMalt> Ok folks. I'm out for the night. thanks for the help!
[7:50] <Kamilion> o/
[7:50] <YddEOA> I'm new to this stuff
[7:50] <Kamilion> YddEOA: intending on learning software, or hardware?
[7:50] <YddEOA> software mostly
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[7:50] <YddEOA> but i will also learn hardware later
[7:50] <Kamilion> are you a visual learner?
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[7:50] <YddEOA> yeah
[7:51] <Kamilion> or do you like to read?
[7:51] <YddEOA> both are fine
[7:51] <evilroots> does this work well wit hthe pi 2 ?
[7:51] <Kamilion> some people prefer hands on stuff and get bored with books and self-learning
[7:51] <evilroots> http://www.amazon.com/Arduberry-for-the-Raspberry-Pi/dp/B00K1KYHGC/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1439531464&sr=1-1&keywords=Arduino+raspberry+pi
[7:51] <Kamilion> evilroots: Uuuf, that's a hard question to answer.
[7:52] <Kamilion> There's a LOT of arduino shields out there
[7:52] <YddEOA> mm I'm fine with either visual or reading
[7:52] <Kamilion> some will obviously work better than others, evilroots
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[7:53] <evilroots> Im looking into a pi and a aurdnio because i am starting to learn electronics, my goal is a open source hearing aid for all
[7:53] <evilroots> idk what one is best
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[7:53] <evilroots> pi i like bc i can run small web server n play with luinx
[7:53] <Kamilion> YddEOA: well, cause if you're a hands on person, sometimes the best way to learn programming is to make things happen in real life, with a kit like this: http://www.amazon.com/Sintron-T-Cobbler-Extension-Starter-Raspberry/dp/B00WS4KCJA/ref=sr_1_8?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1439531585&sr=1-8&keywords=raspberry+pi+hardware+starter+kit
[7:54] <YddEOA> oh that's similar to one i found earlier
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[7:54] <Kamilion> http://www.amazon.com/Sintron-T-Cobbler-Extension-Temperature-Breadboard/dp/B00KKZ9B4Q/
[7:54] <Kamilion> there's lots of kits.
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[7:55] <Kamilion> this one's got some temperature sensors, an infrared remote, and an LCD.
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[7:55] <Kamilion> http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/91-fxcox78L._SL1500_.jpg
[7:55] <YddEOA> the one i found had LED's
[7:56] <Kamilion> you'll end up learning how to wire up LEDs and buttons like this
[7:56] <Kamilion> I'd suggest python as a good language to start out learning with
[7:56] <YddEOA> actually yeah these kits are perfect for me
[7:56] <Kamilion> http://www.diveintopython3.net/
[7:56] <YddEOA> ive tried to learn python before
[7:57] <Kamilion> here's a reference guide
[7:57] <Kamilion> but it's not very 'fun'
[7:57] <Kamilion> when you run into issues though, checking there first is a good idea
[7:57] <YddEOA> should be good, as long as i learn
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[7:58] <Kamilion> other than that, the sintron beginners kits come with a bunch of PDFs
[7:58] <Kamilion> http://www.amazon.com/Sintron-Various-Sensors-Arduino-Learner/dp/B00DNU0GUS/ <--- I'd say avoid getting dazzled by one of these monster kits
[7:59] <Kamilion> once they start getting past a few pieces, they start ripping you off quickly
[7:59] <YddEOA> that's the kit i found o.o
[7:59] <Kamilion> in some cases, it's worth it for the sintron docs
[8:00] <Kamilion> in others, you end up getting overcharged for this: http://www.amazon.com/ARDUINO-Compatible-37--Sensor-Module/dp/B009OVGKTQ/
[8:00] <Berg> there is online3 cources for python https://www.coursera.org/course/interactivepython1
[8:00] <Kamilion> and they all come in a plastic bag and that's it, have fun figuring everything out yourself
[8:00] <Berg> i use coursera
[8:00] <Berg> its free
[8:00] <Berg> and lots vids
[8:00] <Kamilion> so I'd definitely recommend a sintron kit, but just not one of the huge expensive ones.
[8:00] <YddEOA> ok
[8:01] <Kamilion> I *think* you get their "whole set" of PDFs no matter which one you buy
[8:01] <YddEOA> thanks Berg, ill look into it. been looking at one of those courses for some time, just no time to do it yet
[8:01] <Kamilion> http://www.amazon.com/SunFounder-modules-Arduino-Mega2560-Raspberry/dp/B00CBDUD60/ <--- see, here's pretty much the same kit for $75 :)
[8:02] <Kamilion> but for your bucks, you get a printed book
[8:02] <Kamilion> so shop around for a while
[8:02] <Kamilion> nobody's got a gun to your head about ordering it 'cept yourself :)
[8:02] <YddEOA> will do
[8:03] <YddEOA> thanks Kamilion, Berg =)
[8:03] <Berg> welcomne
[8:03] <YddEOA> gonna take a nap now.. kinda tired
[8:03] <Berg> drop in again for coffee when you pass
[8:03] <Kamilion> also, I'll mention this: arduino and raspberry pi share some of the same "buses" like SPI and i2C -- what works on one will probably work on the other, within some boundaries.
[8:04] <Kamilion> most of those little gadgets like temperature sensors and stuff will be connected to one of those buses
[8:04] <Kamilion> but the software to deal with them will be way different
[8:04] <Kamilion> with a pi, you've got all of linux at your disposal
[8:04] <Berg> i got a bit of stuff on order but i dint order a KIT
[8:04] <Kamilion> with an arduino, you've got a damp sponge.
[8:05] <Kamilion> Berg: yeah, but you have an idea of what each part does and how it's supposed to work already, right?
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[8:05] <Kamilion> the simpler sintron kits are great about teaching the basics
[8:05] <Berg> mostly but as he said he learns
[8:05] <Kamilion> then you can go on to order one of those crazy arduino kits and know how everything works already
[8:05] <Kamilion> cause a lot of it follows the same basic rules
[8:06] <Berg> i got a light diodes module and some analog to digital and some ultrasonic sensor modules
[8:06] <Kamilion> if it can be turned on and off, you can treat it like an LED. This goes for stuff like relays, and transistors, and other stuff like that.
[8:06] <Berg> yep
[8:07] <Berg> i already have a 8 channel relay running some of my solar chargeres etc
[8:07] <Kamilion> so for example, you could start a car with that by building a circuit that dealt with the ignition
[8:07] <Kamilion> or more importantly -- depending on how the wiring is, *stop* a car.
[8:07] <Kamilion> by disconnecting a normally closed relay, for example.
[8:07] <Berg> yes the only trouble with a car one you need to leave it turned on all the time or work out a sexy key power off
[8:09] <Berg> We need a python OS that has speach recognition built in
[8:09] <Berg> :)
[8:09] <Kamilion> http://www.dx.com/p/121354 <--- I bought 23 of these a while back (2013)
[8:09] <Kamilion> $1.68 each :D
[8:09] <Berg> i have mine with optocoupler
[8:09] <Kamilion> havn't run out of them yet
[8:10] <Kamilion> yeah, this one's just a little SMT transistor
[8:10] <Berg> dont like the idea of fly back from coils
[8:10] <Kamilion> I've not really seen anything from my old 20Mhz HP analog scope. a little buzz, but maybe I just have clean power.
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[8:11] <Berg> right
[8:11] <Kamilion> I'm also mostly working with inductive loads
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[8:11] <Kamilion> if I were working with resistive loads, it'd probably be even less
[8:11] <Berg> well i have 240v power on the switch side and just normal 5v on coils
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[8:11] <Kamilion> ah, right, high AC
[8:12] <Berg> yep
[8:12] <Kamilion> yeah, I'm in california on very tightly regulated 119VAC at 60.00Hz
[8:12] <Berg> i dont know if it would burn out the pi but optocouple to be sure
[8:12] <Kamilion> If I were drawing high currents, absolutely
[8:13] <Berg> almost same price
[8:13] <Kamilion> yeah, as I said, I bought 'em in 2013
[8:13] <Berg> yeah
[8:13] <Kamilion> right when they started getting 'cheapopular'
[8:13] <Berg> lots has change in couple years too i cant wait to see the next incarnation of raspbery
[8:14] <Kamilion> http://www.dx.com/p/el817-8-channel-5v-10a-relay-module-w-optocoupler-deep-blue-285750
[8:14] <Kamilion> This one looks real nice, but wiring it with commons would be a pain
[8:14] <Berg> mine was only 5bucks ozzy
[8:14] <Kamilion> ooh!
[8:14] <Kamilion> http://www.dx.com/p/8-channel-usb-control-switch-relay-module-for-pc-blue-12v-399508
[8:15] <Kamilion> this is new.
[8:15] <Berg> hmm
[8:15] <Berg> did you see my image from yesterday?
[8:15] <Berg> showing my power cupboard?>
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[8:15] <Kamilion> I don't think so.
[8:15] <Berg> its not fixed yet need fuses added
[8:15] <Kamilion> ... fuses...?
[8:16] <Kamilion> Don't you mean GFCI circuit breakers?
[8:16] <Berg> :)
[8:16] * Kamilion shakes his fist
[8:16] <Berg> same thing in my language
[8:16] <Kamilion> you better mean safety breakers
[8:16] <Kamilion> there's lots of places like malasyia where you'll find some really really scary stuff
[8:16] <Berg> i dont wona have the auto reset kind either
[8:17] <Berg> http://gallery.anotherpower.com/main.php/v/bergs+place/SDC10527.JPG.html
[8:17] <Berg> \tentative start to sorting it all out
[8:17] <Kamilion> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UwQBpZPCOqg <--- this is maximum scary.
[8:18] <Berg> its got a 300 amp hour battery bank under the board
[8:18] <Kamilion> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vmOoAWrn1kM <--- even scarier.
[8:18] <Berg> i need 200amp breaker for the battery bank
[8:18] <Berg> then reduce it to 240v 5 amp the other side
[8:18] <Kamilion> errr, what?
[8:19] <Kamilion> you need a *contactor*
[8:19] <Berg> the invert has 120 amp fuses built in
[8:19] <Berg> not
[8:19] <Berg> invertere
[8:19] <Kamilion> http://www.ebay.com/itm/like/301592995906?ul_noapp=true&chn=ps&lpid=82
[8:20] <Berg> 600amp too high
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[8:20] <Kamilion> http://www.ebay.com/itm/New-200A-72V-Heavy-Duty-Contactor-SW180-Style-FREE-SAME-DAY-SHIPPING-/141426224034?_trksid=p2141725.m3641.l6368
[8:20] <Berg> im running 12v
[8:20] <Kamilion> ... how are you drawing 200 amps over 12V? That sounds rather dangerous without the proper gauge cable.
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[8:20] <Berg> its ok ill sort it
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[8:21] <Kamilion> nah, s'allright, I know a lot about this stuff after working on electric cars and solar setups
[8:21] <Berg> see cable bellow the cabinet it goes to the inverter
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[8:22] <Berg> thats half inch caple
[8:22] <Berg> black and red ones
[8:23] <Kamilion> yeah, I see what you're doing, I didn't realize there was a 'full resolution' link
[8:23] <Kamilion> lol, timestamp's so way wrong... raspis weren't around in 2008 ;)
[8:23] <Berg> heheh
[8:23] <Berg> thats my old camera
[8:23] <Kamilion> good choice on the marine batteries.
[8:23] <Berg> it stopped back in the 60's
[8:24] <Berg> that one just runs the lights
[8:24] <Berg> 3 more in the bank below
[8:24] <Kamilion> gotta be careful with those type of batteries if they're not AGM or fully sealed
[8:24] <Berg> 300watt invert and 100ah batter runs all the house lights we need
[8:24] <Berg> its agm
[8:24] <Kamilion> yeah, all LEDs and CFLs make that easy to accomplish
[8:25] <Berg> only 2 of us in the house
[8:25] <Kamilion> how deep are you cycling it?
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[8:25] <Berg> when the kids come to visit i have to go back to maisn power
[8:25] <Kamilion> they last a lot longer if you pretend they have only half of their listed capacity ;)
[8:25] <Berg> only down to 12.20volt
[8:25] <Kamilion> yeah, oughta last a while
[8:25] <Berg> should
[8:26] <Kamilion> if you hit 10v (without a peak) you've already totaled them
[8:26] <Berg> time wqill tell
[8:26] <Berg> i would never drop thta low
[8:26] <Berg> the inverter screams at 11.5
[8:26] <Berg> and shuts down
[8:27] <Kamilion> also, I'd suggest looking into a marine A/B selector switch
[8:27] <Berg> no ide3a what that is?
[8:27] <Berg> selector switch on what?
[8:27] <Kamilion> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Marine-Boat-Battery-Power-Disconnect-Switch-Heavy-Duty-Battery-Isolator-Switch-/231165463044?hash=item35d2890a04&vxp=mtr
[8:28] <Kamilion> that's a cheap on/off unit
[8:28] <Berg> ooo i have a few in the shed old industrial ones
[8:28] <Kamilion> there's some slightly more expensive ones that act as an a/b battery select for boats
[8:28] <Kamilion> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Perko-Marine-Dual-Battery-Selector-Switch-for-Boat-RV-Motor-/171473230619?hash=item27ec99db1b&vxp=mtr
[8:28] <Berg> i use the banks seperatly
[8:29] <Kamilion> these are pretty meaty units
[8:29] <Berg> one is for house power the kiutchen only and the batter on topo is lights
[8:29] * Kamilion nods
[8:29] <Berg> it runs the fridge
[8:29] <Berg> thats about it
[8:29] <Kamilion> check out the specs, 250a contiuous, 360a intermittant
[8:30] <Berg> its saving me 200 bucks a quarter the lot will pay for itself very soon
[8:30] <Kamilion> they're great for splitting into an A and B pack and charging one while running from the other
[8:30] <Kamilion> in some cases, inverters really get stressed when solar's in the mix because the panel voltage is like 15.8V
[8:30] <Berg> yeah mine run while they charge
[8:30] <Kamilion> that's a really cheap way to 'fix' that
[8:30] <Berg> they never turn off
[8:31] <Berg> see your looking at marine usage this is in home so failure is not so dangerous as in flat battery
[8:31] <Berg> im in the prossess of making batteries too
[8:32] <Kamilion> No, I'm looking at home usage, but if you look at the prices they try to charge you for rebranded marine and electric car gear, it's huge.
[8:32] <Kamilion> you can often find the equipment you need for a solar household cheaply by looking for electric car and marine equipment
[8:33] <Kamilion> because the mariners have been doing it for 30 years with this stuff
[8:33] <Berg> yeah they see solar they see costalot
[8:33] <Berg> http://gallery.anotherpower.com/main.php/v/bergs+place/?g2_page=3
[8:33] <Berg> i been making generators too
[8:33] <Kamilion> like, if you need a sump pump -- look at the marine pumpheads, they're like $26
[8:33] <Berg> have a look through the images its just random stuff i do
[8:33] <Kamilion> and they make great windmill generator windings
[8:34] <Kamilion> anything that's meant to run at a low RPM will make a great wind-catcher
[8:34] <Berg> i make them from washing matchines
[8:34] <Kamilion> sewing machine motors are GREAT
[8:34] <Kamilion> but hard to find
[8:34] <Berg> see my wind turbine
[8:34] <Berg> its pumps out lots
[8:34] <Berg> bit scary some times
[8:35] <Berg> i burned out a pi before i isolated it from that turbnine
[8:35] <Berg> heheh
[8:35] <Kamilion> yeah, my dad lives out in reno, I pulled him off-grid with a couple panels on his roof, then he went and built a wind turbine himself
[8:35] <Berg> <---learning alll the time
[8:35] <Berg> good
[8:35] <Kamilion> I wasn't using the panels or the big inverter anymore
[8:35] <Berg> stuff the pwer companies and the tree huiggers
[8:35] <Kamilion> oh -- if you REALLY are serious about sticking with it?
[8:36] <Kamilion> look for forklift batteries locally.
[8:36] <Berg> its not a matter of being nice to the planet for me its just good fun and it saves coins for me
[8:36] <Kamilion> they're heavy as sin, like 70 pounds each
[8:36] <Kamilion> but they'll last for about 10 years and they've got really decent capacity for the price.
[8:36] <Berg> yeah i already looked about but i cant get any
[8:36] <Kamilion> cool.
[8:36] <Kamilion> well, not cool that you couldn't get any
[8:36] <Kamilion> cool that you looked.
[8:37] <Berg> im gona look into golf buggy ones later
[8:37] <Kamilion> they're heavy so people don't really wanna move 'em
[8:37] <Kamilion> the other good source is what were called 'submarine batteries'
[8:37] <Kamilion> but were also used at phone company buildings
[8:37] <Berg> i wish they move them to my place i have the roof solar power to run me 24/7
[8:37] <Berg> even on cloudy days
[8:38] <Kamilion> and as much as I hate it
[8:38] <Berg> they use edison iron nikle?
[8:38] <Kamilion> http://ironedison.com/nickel-iron-ni-fe-battery
[8:38] <Kamilion> LOL
[8:38] <Berg> hahaha
[8:38] <Kamilion> jinx
[8:38] <Kamilion> 123456789
[8:38] <Berg> i know about it
[8:38] <Berg> i want them
[8:38] <Kamilion> it's a great chemistry for low voltage
[8:38] <Kamilion> but their prices are so high!
[8:39] <Berg> yesd
[8:39] <Berg> they cost more then i can afford im on pension
[8:39] <Kamilion> yep
[8:39] <Berg> <---realy old
[8:39] <Kamilion> http://www.batteryspace.com/lifepo4-prismatic-module-3-2v-200-ah-10c-rate-640-wh-un38-3-passed-dgr.aspx
[8:40] <Kamilion> these are the ones I'm kinda lusty for.
[8:40] <Berg> but its good to spread the gospel free power
[8:40] <Kamilion> 200ah lithium cells.
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[8:40] <Berg> do they need be completely depleted befroe recharge?
[8:41] <Kamilion> noooo
[8:41] <Kamilion> these are what you'd use for a traction pack for like an electric package truck
[8:41] <Kamilion> like UPS-truck
[8:41] <Kamilion> fedex truck
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[8:41] <Berg> is that the ones tesla is posing as new tech?
[8:41] <Kamilion> nah
[8:41] <Kamilion> http://www.batteryspace.com/limnni-26650-battery-3-7v-16ah-59-2wh-72a-rate-w-o-pcb.aspx
[8:41] <Kamilion> LiMiNiCo is what tesla's pushing, I think
[8:42] <Kamilion> http://www.batteryspace.com/limnni-26650-rechargeable-cell-3-7v-4000-mah-4a-rated-14-8wh---ul-listed-un38-3-passed-ndgr.aspx
[8:42] <Kamilion> not bad in comparison to lipo4
[8:42] <Berg> hmm
[8:42] <Kamilion> definitely better than classic lithium ion's 3.2v chemistry
[8:42] <Berg> it5s all very exciting but whats gona last like edisons
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[8:42] <Kamilion> Honestly?
[8:43] <Kamilion> I think the best bet is in the LENR reaction from the E-Cat.
[8:43] <Berg> i know the nickle iron have a proven life cycle
[8:43] <Berg> 100years is good going for one of his cars
[8:43] <Kamilion> http://www.elforsk.se/Global/Omv%C3%A4rld_system/filer/LuganoReportSubmit.pdf
[8:43] <Kamilion> you might find this very interesting
[8:43] <Berg> it was rated at 25mph and still does it
[8:43] <Kamilion> so lemme outline this simply for you
[8:44] <Kamilion> they took a tube of powdered metal
[8:44] <Kamilion> provided 700W of heat
[8:44] <Kamilion> got 3500W of heat out from the ongoing chemical reaction.
[8:44] <Kamilion> it ran for 29 days without stopping
[8:45] <Berg> interesting
[8:45] <Kamilion> rather, halfway through they increased the feed to 900w of electrical input and saw a corresponding jump in internal temperatures as well
[8:45] <Berg> have you looked into thermoelectrics?
[8:45] <Kamilion> I suspect it's a similar reaction to what's taking place inside the earth's core
[8:46] <Berg> sounds crazy
[8:46] <Kamilion> yes, peltier devices aren't very efficient
[8:46] <Berg> i noticed
[8:46] <Kamilion> But they can be applied after most of the working heat is applied to something else like a gas turbine from boiling water
[8:46] <Berg> its ok if you have free heat in a frozen planet
[8:47] <Berg> some times i wonder about the logic of folks they say steam is yesteryear
[8:47] <Kamilion> well, from the reaction taking place in that cylender, it's converting nickle to copper and dumping a lot of excess heat off in that reaction.
[8:47] <Berg> or even water wheels
[8:48] <Berg> man wasted poower everywhere
[8:48] <Berg> boil water with the heat
[8:48] <Kamilion> well, the thing is, this thing basically has a power to weight ratio somewhere near nuclear power
[8:49] <Berg> cost?
[8:49] <Kamilion> like, way way more than gasoline or hydrogen
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[8:50] <Berg> that too bothers me they can get hydrogen and yet they wont try it
[8:50] <Kamilion> well, takes in nickle, aluminium, iron, and hydrogen (due to the metals being powderized and and having a large amount of hydrogen
[8:50] <Kamilion> and puts out a lot of copper at the end
[8:50] <Berg> cars plugged into the house water
[8:50] <Berg> hehehe
[8:50] <Kamilion> rather
[8:50] <Kamilion> what remains is considered elemental copper
[8:51] <Kamilion> anyway
[8:51] <Kamilion> long story short
[8:52] <Kamilion> tube converts discrete metals into elemental copper using an unknown nuclear process.
[8:52] <Kamilion> is it real? is it fantasy? we'll know in a couple years.
[8:52] <Kamilion> From what I know about geophysics, a similar reaction occurs in our core, keeping it heated.
[8:53] <Kamilion> http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/observations/nuclear-fission-confirmed-as-source-of-more-than-half-of-earths-heat/
[8:53] <Kamilion> so it's not just the sun's radiation keeping us around ;)
[8:53] <Berg> yes
[8:53] <Berg> a lot is caused by the tidel pull of the moon too
[8:54] <Kamilion> even though the sun is 96% of the mass of our solar system
[8:54] <YddEOA> i thought it was burning gas
[8:54] <Berg> your not american are you?
[8:54] <YddEOA> nope
[8:55] <niston> heh
[8:55] <Berg> ok b ehave berg
[8:55] <Kamilion> compressed gas rapidily undergoing nuclear fusion and fission.
[8:55] <Kamilion> there are heavier elements deeper in the star.
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[8:55] <YddEOA> ah
[8:55] <Kamilion> well, some stars. Ours doesn't really have much in the way of heavy metals
[8:56] <Berg> just tyhink you needed a star to make most elemenst heavier then hydrogen
[8:56] <YddEOA> school doesn't teach that deep into that stuft :p
[8:56] <niston> Kamilion, very interesting read
[8:56] <Berg> why6 not
[8:57] <Berg> look at the peirodic table
[8:57] <YddEOA> well
[8:57] <Berg> well
[8:57] <YddEOA> i would imagine it's a bit too much for 7th graders
[8:57] <Berg> why?
[8:57] <Berg> they aint stupid
[8:57] <Xark> Berg: Heavier than lithium, you mean (big bang made hydrogen and helium and a bit of lithium).
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[8:58] <Berg> well you know i never thought lithium was original
[8:58] <Kamilion> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jY_0U3e-Az0 <--- this might help
[8:58] <YddEOA> i never said we were stupid, but that's how the curriculum works
[8:58] <Xark> Berg: Trace amounts, but a bit AFAIK.
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[8:59] <Berg> still with o0ut stars you mumma was never made hence no you
[8:59] <Berg> i lov e stars
[8:59] <Kamilion> this is a size comparison of lots of stellar objects. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jY_0U3e-Az0 All the way up to O-class stars. Which are larger than our entire solar system (by far.)
[8:59] <Xark> Berg: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lithium -> "According to modern cosmological theory, lithium—as both of its stable isotopes lithium-6 and lithium-7—was among the 3 elements synthesized in the Big Bang."
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[8:59] <Berg> click
[8:59] <Xark> Berg: Yeah, up to iron can be made in stars, everything else needs a supernova.
[9:00] <YddEOA> yeah.. no shit Berg, we need the sun
[9:00] <Berg> hahahha
[9:00] <Berg> ok i agree they should not teach this to 7thg graders
[9:01] <Kamilion> sure they should, just not the wordy crap
[9:01] <Kamilion> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jY_0U3e-Az0 <--- drive them to learn with stuff like this that is like "wow. we're tiny."
[9:01] <Berg> i was teasing Kamilion
[9:02] <Kamilion> our sun is a tiny little spec ;)
[9:02] <YddEOA> would've been nice if they did Kamilion
[9:02] <Berg> why dont th3e moon have volcanos
[9:02] <Berg> 2 words
[9:02] <Kamilion> it did, berg, but it's core is too cold for that.
[9:02] <Berg> tidel forces
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[9:03] <Berg> well the moon rotates facing alkways the earth so there is no chaNGE IN THE FORCES PLACE3D OMN IT
[9:03] <Kamilion> hehehe, i'm into the 30GM range
[9:03] <YddEOA> isn't it "tidal"?
[9:03] <Kamilion> wow, deneb is a whole AU
[9:03] <Berg> THE MOOD PROduces tides here
[9:04] <Kamilion> Antares is 6AU!!
[9:04] <Kamilion> just the star itself... 6 times bigger than our entire solar system
[9:04] <Berg> thats rather mind boggling
[9:04] <Kamilion> and I'm only halfway through the scale
[9:04] <Xark> Yeah, but it is "fluffy". :)
[9:04] <Berg> ok dog feeding time
[9:05] <Kamilion> VY Canis Majoris is 16.3AU.
[9:05] <Xark> Kamilion: Hmm, AU is (roughly) distance from Earth to Sun (not whole solar system).
[9:06] <Kamilion> oh? Hm, not as big as I thought then
[9:06] <Kamilion> still, VY Masses Majoris, a Red Metagiant, is 62.5AU
[9:06] <Xark> Kamilion: Yeah, only as big as the orbit of Jupiter...tiny. :)
[9:07] <Kamilion> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HEheh1BH34Q here's another one, older, but stops at canis majoris.
[9:07] <Kamilion> also really whacks you with scale
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[9:08] <Xark> Kamilion: Or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bhofN1xX6u0
[9:09] <Kamilion> and when you think that these are just objects... and the space that contains them is far vaster because there's BILLIONS of these things out there.
[9:10] <Kamilion> and our planet, and our star, is pretty much on the statisically tiny side. :)
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[9:11] <Xark> Kamilion: True, but some of the best pizza...
[9:11] <Kamilion> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vmOoAWrn1kM And some of the scariest showers.
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[9:12] <Kamilion> I still laugh at the "confirmation light"
[9:12] <Kamilion> (an electric spark)
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[11:44] <Lina> o/
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[11:48] <hellramsden> o/
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[12:12] <faLUCE> hello, how can I disable non https connections to apache on my raspberry?
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[12:15] <t3chguy> faLUCE: stop listening on port 80
[12:17] * MonkehParade port-scans t3chguy's TV
[12:17] <t3chguy> MonkehParade: I don't own a TV
[12:17] <t3chguy> I use 4K Acer Panels everywhere
[12:18] <MonkehParade> I can imagine, can't I?
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[12:18] <MonkehParade> Can I use a 40 pin PATA cable on my raspberry pi?
[12:18] <t3chguy> unfortunately not
[12:18] <t3chguy> since it has a blank in one of the pins
[12:19] <MonkehParade> http://imgur.com/yiYxCnV
[12:19] <t3chguy> well they you should be able to
[12:19] <t3chguy> mine has a blank in one of the pins haha
[12:19] <MonkehParade> you can try the good ol' fashioned method and use a nail and a hammer to free that blank
[12:20] <t3chguy> that'd push it even further in...
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[12:21] <Armand> faLUCE: Self-signed cert, eh?
[12:22] <t3chguy> Armand: SSL Certs are free in very many places
[12:22] <t3chguy> such as WoSign which gives you a 100 SAN cert, 3 years, for free
[12:22] <Armand> I know.. I have about 20 trustwave DVs.
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[12:27] <SyncYourDogmas> faLUCE: use ufw, then ufw deny outgoing port80
[12:29] <t3chguy> SyncYourDogmas: that's a silly idea, why not just configure Apache to only listen on port 443..?
[12:30] <SyncYourDogmas> Ah thought outgoing connections
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[12:42] <faLUCE> these are not good solutions. I want to stop apache listening on 80, I don't want to set fws
[12:45] <SyncYourDogmas> Yeah I've realised
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[12:55] <faLUCE> another issue: the mount command doesn't accept umask option. why? is it a bug?
[12:59] <shiftplusone> for what filesystem?
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[13:02] <faLUCE> shiftplusone: solved, it was for davfs, used options file/dir_mode
[13:02] <shiftplusone> So you see the problem then.
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[13:07] <faLUCE> shiftplusone: with dir_mode=7777 it doesn't allow me to delete dirs, and when I try to do that, it doesn't prompt me errors
[13:08] * shiftplusone shrugs
[13:08] <shiftplusone> I know nothing about davfs
[13:10] * Kamilion is confused
[13:10] <Kamilion> why don't you just remove the Listen 80 from the config file?
[13:10] <Kamilion> or move it to explicitly, or something like that?
[13:11] <Kamilion> Listen
[13:12] <Kamilion> if you have SSL running already, you've got a Listen :443 somewhere
[13:12] <SyncYourDogmas> faLUCE: cmd line options override config files normally, how do you startit?
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[13:16] <faLUCE> SyncYourDogmas: I executed mount
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[13:16] <faLUCE> when I try to delete foobar dir, it changes color if I ls. and these are perms: drwsrwsrwt 2 www-data www-data 0 Aug 14 13:15 foobar
[13:17] <faLUCE> but it is not deleted
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[13:18] <SyncYourDogmas> What's the fiLe type? File path
[13:18] <faLUCE> "Black text with green background indicates that a directory is writable by others apart from the owning user and group, and has the sticky bit set (o+w, +t)."
[13:18] <faLUCE> SyncYourDogmas: davfs
[13:19] <faLUCE> I'm sure I set bad options with file_mode=7777
[13:19] <SyncYourDogmas> And recursively doesn't work
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[15:21] <hosler> can anyone tell me why i need to build a pi qemu kernel for arm7 instead of just a regular arm7 kernel for emulation? i feel like im going out of my way to create this pi kernel when i dont really have to.
[15:22] <shiftplusone> If you don't have to, don't.
[15:23] <shiftplusone> (But you do, because qemu emulates a specific set of hardware which needs to be supported by the kernel)
[15:23] <shiftplusone> At the time the xecdesign.com article was written, the official kernel didn't work and there was no way around that other that to compile one yourself
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[15:24] <shiftplusone> There's torlus' patches to qemu to run the stock kernel, but either way you need to compile one or the other.
[15:24] <shiftplusone> And each approach has its limitations
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[15:31] <renaudos> hello, someone here using osmc ?
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[15:51] <Encrypt> Hi!
[15:52] <Encrypt> Do you know if the new Raspbian image is based on Wheezy or Jessie?
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[15:57] <hellramsden> Latest uses Jessie
[15:58] <Encrypt> Ok, cool :)
[15:58] <Encrypt> hellramsden, Do you run it?
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[15:59] <hellramsden> Recently installed on rpi2 yup :)
[16:00] <Encrypt> hellramsden, Could you run this pleeeeease? :P
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[16:00] <Encrypt> hellramsden, apt-cache show asterisk | grep Version
[16:00] <Encrypt> Just to know whether I will have to compile it or not (<.<)
[16:01] <hellramsden> :11.13.1
[16:01] <hellramsden> 1:11.13.1*
[16:01] <Encrypt> Ok, thank you :)
[16:02] <hellramsden> np
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[16:02] <Encrypt> Still a relatively old package though :S
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[16:41] <giddles> goodday
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[18:21] <evil_dan2wik> I've broken more SD cards in my B+ than I have in my B2
[18:22] <gofsckyourself> physically broken?
[18:22] <gofsckyourself> or just I/O errors?
[18:22] <evil_dan2wik> the microSD cards just get caught so easily on edges
[18:22] <evil_dan2wik> physically broken
[18:22] <evil_dan2wik> as in, snapped the end off
[18:23] <gofsckyourself> right, i was thinking you meant that
[18:23] <traeak> yeah good motivation to geta case
[18:23] <gofsckyourself> just curious
[18:23] <traeak> protectthe micrsd
[18:23] <gofsckyourself> yeah, a case makes it harder to break the SD card
[18:23] <evil_dan2wik> but then I would have to re-solder everything to fit a case
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[18:24] <evil_dan2wik> right now I have a 2nd board that sits directly on top of the processor
[18:25] <gofsckyourself> i am terrible as soldering, so i re-solder stuff all the time. the more i do it the better i'll get... i hope
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[19:02] <Tenkawa> Hi all
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[19:37] <k_j> hi
[19:38] <k_j> is it possible to use an xbox controller on the rpi?
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[19:39] <mattrichardson> k_j I've heard of people successfully doing that, never tried it myself.
[19:40] <k_j> mattrichardson, but is it possible to calibrate the controls too?
[19:40] <mattrichardson> k_j Sorry, don't know.
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[19:57] <ThinkingofPython> Off topic, but I have created a GoFundMe campaign for helping with the relief in the Tianjin explosion disaster.
[19:57] <ThinkingofPython> All funds will go directly to the Red Cross, and will not go to me in any way.
[19:57] <ThinkingofPython> http://www.gofundme.com/v5vvnp48
[19:58] <JK-47> Then why dont people donate directly to red cross?
[19:58] <JK-47> Though, they are a tad on the evil side and constantly have to be sued to pay out donations to the actual impacted area
[19:58] <ThinkingofPython> JK-47 Crowdfunding is all the hype!
[19:59] <JK-47> and, who gets the tax write-off
[19:59] <ThinkingofPython> It's a way for people to collaborate together, rather than just donating and not being able to get updates, progress, or anything on it.
[19:59] <ThinkingofPython> I believe GoFundMe has instructions on how to get the tax write off when you donate.
[20:00] <ThinkingofPython> It doesnt affect me in any way, as I'm just the campaign creator. No funds go through my hands, and I'm not US based
[20:00] <ThinkingofPython> (although the Campaign itself is US based, so those who are can easily donate. The GoFundMe staff helped me with this part)
[20:01] <ThinkingofPython> As well as, Red Cross isn't (as far as I know) advertising donations or anything for this, even though they are actively taking part in the relief process onsite.
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[20:03] <ThinkingofPython> I understand your inquieries though, JK-47 :)
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[20:13] <GenteelBen> JK-47 is right for once.
[20:14] <GenteelBen> These mega charities are run like businesses, with aggressive sales people.
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[20:14] <GenteelBen> Wait
[20:14] <GenteelBen> ThinkingofPython
[20:14] <GenteelBen> This is in CHINA
[20:14] <GenteelBen> World's 2nd biggest economy
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[20:14] <GenteelBen> Trillions of dollars worth of wealth
[20:14] <GenteelBen> China isn't a 3rd world country. Why are you trying to send relief money to the 2nd richest country in the world?
[20:14] <ThinkingofPython> I live in China.
[20:15] <GenteelBen> Oh...
[20:15] <ThinkingofPython> GenteelBen, The money doesn't go to China.
[20:15] <GenteelBen> Well don't I feel like an idiot right now.
[20:15] <ThinkingofPython> I don't know where you saw that it does
[20:15] <GenteelBen> ThinkingofPython, China is wealthy enough to heal its own people.
[20:15] <ThinkingofPython> It goes to the Red Cross, that is currently volunteering in the relief effort.
[20:15] <ThinkingofPython> It goes to support the volunteers there
[20:15] <GenteelBen> ThinkingofPython, I would send food/etc. but not money.
[20:15] <ThinkingofPython> Not to China
[20:15] <GenteelBen> Or volunteers.
[20:15] * plugwash wouldn't call china "second richest" anyway
[20:16] <SyncYourDogmas> Gpa and Gpa per capita aren'tthe same fwiw
[20:16] <ThinkingofPython> I created this because I would volunteer, but I'm not near that location
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[20:16] <GenteelBen> ThinkingofPython, how are you on IRC anyway? Isn't access to freenode banned in China?
[20:16] <ThinkingofPython> Nope.
[20:16] <ThinkingofPython> SSL
[20:16] <GenteelBen> SyncYourDogmas: richest country, not richest citizens.
[20:16] <ThinkingofPython> And currently, Im in HK
[20:16] <GenteelBen> ThinkingofPython, are you Chinese?
[20:16] <ThinkingofPython> But it works fine from my house in Zhongshan
[20:16] <ThinkingofPython> No, I'm a foreigner, but am fluent in Cantonese.
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[20:16] <JK-47> id much rather see redcross money go towards the families of the people in china who were given poisonous baby formula to feed their kids.
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[20:16] <ThinkingofPython> I'm a teacher, hailing from the majestic land of Canada.
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[20:17] <ThinkingofPython> JK-47, I'd love to do that as well
[20:17] <SyncYourDogmas> Which stills people in need though. I've seen it
[20:17] <ThinkingofPython> However, I can only do so much lol
[20:17] <GenteelBen> JK-47: at least the people who sold that stuff were executed.
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[20:17] <ThinkingofPython> I just think that, there's millions of views of the videos on Youtube and such
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[20:17] <ThinkingofPython> If people would help instead of just watching, then things could get better.
[20:18] <GenteelBen> China's approach of executing people convicted of selling poison milk to children, or laundering money from public projects, is a nice one.
[20:18] <ThinkingofPython> Earlier, people queried me and said "Oh, but the company responsible will pay for it"
[20:18] <ThinkingofPython> Maybe in 6-12 months
[20:18] <ThinkingofPython> after a court case
[20:18] <ThinkingofPython> But not right now, when people and volunteers need it
[20:18] <GenteelBen> ThinkingofPython, was it a private company or state-owned?
[20:18] <GenteelBen> ThinkingofPython: why can't China just send their army in to fix that stuff?
[20:18] <ThinkingofPython> I'm a volunteer myself, at a school for disabled children here
[20:18] <GenteelBen> Don't China have a National Guard equivalent?
[20:18] <ThinkingofPython> GenteelBen It's not that easy. The explosions were MASSIVE.
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[20:19] <GenteelBen> Right, and China is the 2nd richest country in the world.
[20:19] <ThinkingofPython> China is a pretty big place, with lots of jurisdiction related issues
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[20:19] <ThinkingofPython> The Red Cross is on site, volunteering with medical aid and such
[20:19] <GenteelBen> The three biggest banks in the world are state-owned Chinese banks.
[20:19] <ThinkingofPython> which is why I chose for the funds to go directly to them
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[20:20] <ThinkingofPython> GenteelBen I believe it was a private company.
[20:20] <GenteelBen> I hope for the sake of regional stability it wasn't a Japanese company.
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[20:21] <GenteelBen> So ThinkingofPython, what made you want to move to China? It is something of a capitalist dictatorship.
[20:22] <ThinkingofPython> GenteelBen I wasn't happy back home in Canada. I've graduated school, (Computer Systems + Computer Science)
[20:22] <ThinkingofPython> and wanted to do something with my life that would benefit others than just myself
[20:22] <ThinkingofPython> It's why I've been working for the past 3 years as a volunteer teacher, only making a few hundred dollars a month.
[20:23] <ThinkingofPython> Money doesn't make me happy. Seeing people in need helped, does.
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[20:24] <ThinkingofPython> Although, having no money does have its downfalls. I can't get my business together because I (the founder), am "poor".
[20:24] <ThinkingofPython> But, that's life I guess
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[20:34] <traeak> making money "pays the bills" and also funds hobbies
[20:35] <GenteelBen> ThinkingofPython: get money get paid, jigga.
[20:36] <ThinkingofPython> ?
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[20:37] <GenteelBen> ThinkingofPython: http://treasure.diylol.com/uploads/post/image/243675/resized_philosoraptor-meme-generator-get-money-get-paid-d0cacb.jpg
[20:38] <ThinkingofPython> lol
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[20:40] <ThinkingofPython> Getting the first intial funds is going to be tough work lol
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[20:49] <GenteelBen> JK-47: http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2015/08/oracle-security-chief-to-customers-stop-checking-our-code-for-vulnerabilities/
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[20:50] <JK-47> yeah
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[20:51] <DelphiWorld> yo
[20:51] <DelphiWorld> https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=29&t=113753
[20:51] <DelphiWorld> using rpi-update
[20:52] <DelphiWorld> WARNING: This update bumps to rpi-4.1.y linux tree
[20:52] <DelphiWorld> and i'm runing latest raspbian with kernel 3.18
[20:52] <DelphiWorld> should i upgrade?
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[20:58] <DelphiWorld> guys?
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[21:15] <hosler> DelphiWorld: you dont need to upgrade unless you feel like it
[21:16] <DelphiWorld> hosler: ;)
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[21:16] <hosler> if you're asking if the update will breaks something then the answer is "probably not"
[21:17] <DelphiWorld> hosler: uv4l asking to rpi-update
[21:17] <hosler> uhh ok
[21:17] <GenteelBen> DelphiWorld: what's Delphi used for these days?
[21:18] <DelphiWorld> GenteelBen: for making desktop & web & mobile app, using recently released Delphi XE sery
[21:18] <DelphiWorld> but i'm not delphist anymore
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[21:18] <hosler> no one is
[21:18] <k_j> delphi is pascal?
[21:18] <DelphiWorld> yes
[21:18] <fred1807> I have this doubt too...I configured 20 raspberries to display imagens on public screens, with many functions...Now I am afraid with future system and raspbian updates
[21:18] <hosler> kernel upgrades should never ruin your system unless something is horribly wrong
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[21:19] <DelphiWorld> oh dumb me
[21:19] <DelphiWorld> hosler: some crazy news right now about to make me cry ;(
[21:19] <hosler> wut happened
[21:19] <DelphiWorld> apple building self driving car
[21:19] <hosler> yeah
[21:19] <DelphiWorld> i hope its trueeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
[21:19] <hosler> google is already doing it
[21:19] <DelphiWorld> for blind people like me its awesoooooooooooome
[21:19] <hosler> oh wow
[21:19] <DelphiWorld> blaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah apple please release it!
[21:20] <hosler> do you program by having the computer say your code outloud?
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[21:20] <hosler> ive seen that in a programming competition
[21:20] <hosler> blind dude would bend over to his speakers and the computer would whisper his code into his ear
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[21:21] <hosler> it was almost romantic
[21:23] <DelphiWorld> hosler: yes, using tts
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[21:24] <DelphiWorld> if i play a media, my rpi is generating some strange funky sound
[21:24] <DelphiWorld> i heare the audio but some background noiseis present
[21:25] <hosler> DelphiWorld: you are hearing the cpu bits moving around
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[21:27] <hosler> but that's not really noticable while media is playing
[21:27] <hosler> so you might have something different going on
[21:28] <hosler> unless your blindless allows for super hearing powers
[21:28] <DelphiWorld> hosler: lol
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[22:07] <milk_base> wtf, omg, what the hell is going on in #chan ? apparently a channel full of rpi bots only
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[22:21] <fred1807> ditch Google and Apple, I am building a self driving car with Rpi
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[22:31] <jancoow1> hi guys
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[22:32] <jancoow1> i've some small audio problem: i'm using an usb to audio adapter. I've set the priority of the usb adapter to 0 in the alsa config and it's working when i'm trying it out in mplayer ( sound come through the usb adapter). But when i'm trying to play sound with a java programm the sound still comes out the onboard audio
[22:32] <jancoow1> how can i change it also in java?
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[22:34] <RichN> hey guys
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[22:34] <RichN> has anyone worked on a new raspbian img for the pi-2
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[22:37] <RichN> I am working to update the existing on but it has taken 8 + hours thus far doing dist upgrade
[22:37] <RichN> on a quad core thats way to slow
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[22:38] <jancoow1> maybe a corrupted sd card?
[22:38] <RichN> its a fresh sd and a fresh install done this am
[22:38] <RichN> 8 gig class 10
[22:39] <fred1807> beign new doesnt make it corruption proof :/
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[22:40] <CoJaBo> RichN: where did you get the card?
[22:40] <fred1807> jancoow1: What java programm? Some programms route sound "by themselvs" For example, omxplayer can output to hdmi or analog, doenst matter what settings you have on alsamixer
[22:41] <jancoow1> fred1807: A simple programm made by myself, using jzoomlayer for playing mp3
[22:41] <RichN> Bought 12 new ones fron Staples yesterday
[22:41] <jancoow1> fred1807: it should take the default from alsamixer
[22:42] <CoJaBo> Mine is deathly slow when copying files, tho I dunno if it's the pi or SD yet..
[22:42] <jancoow1> fred1807: i mean i would like that it takes the default form alsamixer
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[22:42] <RichN> I think its the pi-2
[22:42] <fred1807> well, if you made the programm by yourself, who am I to say anything, I cant code a program by myself
[22:42] <RichN> I have a 8 gig in a odroid -c1 and a odroid-u3 bought yesterday
[22:42] <RichN> and they are running much better
[22:43] <fred1807> you can run a test over the sd card, it is a fancy commanline programm that will test every sector
[22:43] <fred1807> forget the name now...
[22:43] <fred1807> *i forgot
[22:43] <CoJaBo> fred1807: It's the write speed that matters..
[22:44] <jancoow1> fred1807: nvm, fixed it to change the java sound properties file to the out-commented lines in this tutorial http://keithp.com/blogs/Java-Sound-on-Linux/
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[22:45] <RichN> but the issue is the head of the project is insisting on using the pi-2 as the board
[22:46] <fred1807> jancoow1: that doesnt make sense... Why on earth alsa would not route the audio to 0, if your usb audio card is now 0, and it works with mplayer? I cant imagine why. Maybe you could try some black magic using pulseaudio instead of single alsa driver on that java programm
[22:49] <RichN> I did find non raspbian img for the pi-2
[22:49] <RichN> but it is missing vcgen and a few other compiled bash scripts
[22:50] <RichN> as some one did not want to share thier code
[22:51] <jancoow1> u mean fsck?
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[22:52] <jancoow1> fred1807: i'v no idea. But this isn't really the first time i have audio problems in java. For example, java 7 didn't play any audio at all or very laggy
[22:53] <fred1807> I dont know why, but I have aversion to anything java
[22:53] <fred1807> actually I hate java
[22:54] <Boohbah> you shouldn't get so emotional about software
[22:54] <jancoow1> me to but i can't programm c++ very good
[22:54] <jancoow1> so if i need someting fast i'm mostly using java because i have some more experience in that language
[22:55] <jancoow1> boohbah: i'm getting emotional about your name :O
[22:56] <fred1807> I get emotional when I hear "java" name because almost everyday when I am on a computer java machine want to update , it is a very important update, fixing some security issue
[22:56] <fred1807> java & flash
[22:56] <jancoow1> no probs on linux? :D
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[22:58] <fred1807> on yeah, not on my machines... everywhere there is a friend on a windows machine... java sucks on osx too
[22:58] <jancoow1> java is a great learning language i think
[22:58] <jancoow1> but no for serieus busniss
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[22:59] <Encrypt> Please, don't use Java
[22:59] <Encrypt> Everytime you start a JVM, a kitten is killed.
[23:00] <Encrypt> Save kittens!
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[23:03] <swiss> java teaches you how to use..... JAVA
[23:03] <swiss> java is no better of a learning language than any of the other OO C-like languages
[23:05] <Encrypt> A teacher of mine asked me to install Hadoop on a cluster of Raspberry Pis
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[23:05] <Encrypt> That was a real massacre :x
[23:05] <turtlehat> i think plenty of people have done serious business with java
[23:05] <swiss> yes
[23:05] <Encrypt> Yeah, but that consumes terrible amounts of RAM
[23:05] <Encrypt> And CPU
[23:05] <swiss> and in almost every single instance, they could have done it much better with another language
[23:06] <swiss> but instead we're reinforcing that Java is an "everything" language
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[23:06] * swiss rages against java on the daily
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[23:06] <Encrypt> A professional whose job was to put projects to production told me that they were struggling with RAM usage
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[23:09] <turtlehat> show me one language that is cross platform like java...
[23:09] <turtlehat> cross platform matters to some
[23:09] <turtlehat> especially when development costs are high
[23:09] <GenteelBen> C? C++?
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[23:10] <swiss> turtlehat: golang
[23:10] <turtlehat> so you can take advanced gui code from any os and run it on another os then?
[23:10] <swiss> also, yes, C, C++, python
[23:10] <fluffet> in order for java to run, c has to compile the vm, right?
[23:10] <turtlehat> golang is fairly new init?
[23:10] <fluffet> so anywhere java works, c automatically works
[23:10] <swiss> couple years on Golang
[23:10] <swiss> also, Golang is fully compatible with C libraries
[23:10] <turtlehat> fluffet, the vm is already maintained by a 3rd party
[23:10] <turtlehat> not so for ported c code
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[23:11] <k_j> java on the rpi???
[23:11] <k_j> does it work?
[23:11] <swiss> ..............
[23:11] <Kamilion> why would you want to run software from an actively hostile company?
[23:11] <Kamilion> http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2015/08/all-android-operating-systems-infringe-java-api-packages-oracle-says/
[23:11] <Encrypt> k_j, Yes
[23:11] <turtlehat> yes old news
[23:11] <Encrypt> k_j, But that should be avoided
[23:11] <turtlehat> but most java code wasnt written in the last week
[23:12] <swiss> turtlehat: so because it's old, it should be used?
[23:12] <turtlehat> no, but as i said, its business
[23:12] <Kamilion> I miss Sun. ;_;
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[23:12] <turtlehat> and if development costs are high...
[23:12] <turtlehat> are you gonna pretend that writing new code in another language is free?
[23:12] <swiss> turtlehat: there's a reason Splunk is gaining traction on all the traditional java applications that did what Splunk did
[23:12] <turtlehat> im talking about legacy :)
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[23:13] <swiss> I'm saying that new development in Java is a waste of resources
[23:13] <turtlehat> i dont disagree
[23:13] <turtlehat> unless your programmers are well rehearsed in java and dont know anything else
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[23:13] <Kamilion> sounds like where I was working at NASA ;_;
[23:13] <turtlehat> then up to a point writing things in java is still good business
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[23:13] <swiss> in which case you should get new programmers
[23:14] <swiss> if all my programmers knew was php, i'd fire them
[23:14] <turtlehat> again, disregard expenses
[23:14] <Kamilion> I'd help you bury the bodies, swiss.
[23:14] <k_j> can you do everything with pythonn?
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[23:14] <swiss> turtlehat: the expense of keeping around programmers who will do you more harm than good in the long run?
[23:14] <turtlehat> im not defending java, just understanding its appeal to some
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[23:14] <Kamilion> k_j: I've not seen anything that python has not been able to do -- although speed is a factor for pure python code.
[23:15] <swiss> Kamilion: embedded
[23:15] <turtlehat> also, why would anyone write things in c today?
[23:15] <Kamilion> micropython, swiss.
[23:15] <Kamilion> turtlehat: speed, or control over execution.
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[23:15] <swiss> Kamilion: i'd imagine that works in specific use cases - but not as universal as C for microcontrollers
[23:15] <turtlehat> Kamilion, that doesnt matter to most
[23:16] <turtlehat> unless youre running something cpu heavy
[23:16] <swiss> as in, not every microcontroller has the option to write code in micropython for it
[23:16] <turtlehat> and most people arent
[23:16] <swiss> turtlehat: embedded is still largely C
[23:16] <turtlehat> well embedded is another deal, i agree
[23:16] <turtlehat> c/c++
[23:16] <turtlehat> but i would choose c++ over c in that case
[23:16] <swiss> i didn't have the option of C++ when i was coding for the last microcontroller i worked with
[23:16] <turtlehat> but thats cause i like oo
[23:16] <Kamilion> ... why?
[23:17] <k_j> why what
[23:17] <swiss> the compiler for the microcontroller had efficiency issues when i used C++
[23:17] <Kamilion> but can you _USE_ oo effectively?
[23:17] <swiss> and i was nearly out of room
[23:17] <swiss> i wanted C++ for function overloading really
[23:17] <Kamilion> I mean, most of these microcontrollers have less than a megabyte of memory, when you're dealing with that scale
[23:17] <swiss> didn't care beyond that
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[23:17] <turtlehat> again, a lot of code running on even embedded systems dont need to be particularly speedy or optimized
[23:17] <Kamilion> heck, most are in the 128KB or less range
[23:17] <swiss> turtlehat: you haven't worked with enterprise constraints on embedded systems then
[23:17] <Kamilion> and while it's possible you can write your code using XIP techniques to run, that's .... not trivial.
[23:18] <turtlehat> swiss, i will contend that :)
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[23:18] <swiss> turtlehat: if your code is inefficient and the microcontroller is still go fast, then you can use a cheaper microcontroller
[23:18] <Kamilion> I just woke up, what a great conversation. :D
[23:18] <swiss> still going fast*
[23:18] <turtlehat> but i have seen professional "programmers" programming plcs
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[23:18] <swiss> so at my last job, they would keep putting me on shittier microcontrollers till it didn't work
[23:19] <swiss> then on the one it didn't work, they told me "optimize it till it works on this, then we're going to use that for production"
[23:19] <Kamilion> lol
[23:19] <turtlehat> well thats nice, did you go to assembly then?
[23:19] <swiss> no, i just cleaned up my code
[23:19] <Kamilion> did you go through the LPC1768?
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[23:19] <swiss> i got good at writing shitty code the first time around
[23:19] <turtlehat> but with assembly you can get even tighter
[23:19] <turtlehat> lol
[23:19] <swiss> yeah
[23:19] <turtlehat> spend years though
[23:19] <Kamilion> aka the original arm mBED?
[23:19] <swiss> they didn't like the amount of time it took me to write assembly
[23:20] <swiss> Kamilion: nah... i barely remember it, i was only at the job 6 months
[23:20] <turtlehat> and theres the central point in my statement
[23:20] <turtlehat> development time isnt free
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[23:20] <swiss> are we talking about c vs c++, or are we talking about java
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[23:21] <turtlehat> all of the above
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[23:21] <swiss> if we're talking C vs C++, the advantages I would use in C++ would be function overloading and not much else
[23:21] <swiss> since I was dealing with VERY simple code
[23:21] <turtlehat> i love using classes
[23:22] <fluffet> i love classes too ^^
[23:22] <turtlehat> they make reusing code very efficient
[23:22] <fluffet> but i hate c with a passion
[23:22] <swiss> if we're talking about java - it doesn't take much longer to write the program in python instead of java if you hire python developers
[23:22] <swiss> if it even takes longer at all
[23:22] <fluffet> something i think is cool is JRuby ^^
[23:22] <turtlehat> swiss, but if your programmer doesnt know python then yes, it does
[23:22] <fluffet> i've never used it, but it's basically ruby on top of the java vm
[23:23] <swiss> turtlehat: then you get programmers that code in the language you're going to develop in
[23:23] <swiss> turtlehat: why would you ever hire someone that only knew java in this day and age
[23:23] <turtlehat> changing the software/development stack is not free
[23:23] <swiss> talking about new development~
[23:23] <swiss> not maintaining current shitty programs
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[23:23] <turtlehat> yea, but many huge companies have a lot of legacy in java that would be extremely expensive to change to another language
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[23:24] <turtlehat> and it would also suddenly be less portable
[23:24] <swiss> but strictly talking about new development - java should be dead
[23:24] <turtlehat> agreed
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[23:24] <swiss> i don't know what the fuck is up with the apache foundation
[23:24] <turtlehat> bbut dont worry, therell be some other horrible languge in its place soon enough
[23:25] <swiss> i can only hope
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[23:46] <turtlehat> hey i want to output i2s from my c++ program on the pi, via pwm from dma as i understand it
[23:46] <turtlehat> and im wondering how that works
[23:46] <turtlehat> now before anyone tells me that i can just do this or that instead, i am doing this to learn about the concepts
[23:47] <turtlehat> can anyone point me to some code or reading thats applies?
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