#raspberrypi IRC Log


IRC Log for 2015-08-17

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[0:16] <giddles> hey ho experts
[0:17] <giddles> any of you have knowlegend about ms fs"x" on a multicore processor?
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[0:21] <giddles> ok... :(
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[0:29] <[Saint]> giddles: not getting an answer doesn't mean you're being ignored
[0:29] <[Saint]> It just means no one has an answer and/or no one cares.
[0:29] <[Saint]> When or if someone does, they'll answer.
[0:30] <[Saint]> That sounded a lot worse than I intended it...
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[0:30] <giddles> i knew ;)
[0:31] <[Saint]> Phew. Sometimes I'm ridiculously bad at wording simple things.
[0:31] <b3nn1> Can I power the RPI with a "bigger" power supply? I ordered a 40W power supply for LEDs like this one: http://webshop.schneider-consulting.it/bilder/produkte/gross/6905_1.jpg
[0:32] <b3nn1> so I would power both with one supply
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[0:36] <[Saint]> b3nn1: yes.
[0:37] <[Saint]> Voltage and amperage are the important factors here.
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[0:42] <cehteh> b3nn1: at worst that supply may have some quite noisy output with or without load, then the rpi may run unstable and you need some filter .. and off course it *must* be 5V regulated, arent LED PS 12V or so?
[0:43] <b3nn1> using WS2801 led, which has 5V
[0:43] <cehteh> ok
[0:44] <cehteh> i'd consider to add some lc filter in front of the rpi, but might be over-cautionous
[0:44] <[Saint]> Is it actually 5V LED? Or is that the reverse bias threshold?
[0:44] <b3nn1> worst case is 30W + rpi, if all leds are fully powered
[0:45] <cehteh> this led power supplies are not very well regulated when cheap
[0:45] <cehteh> lots of ripple and noise from the switching regulator
[0:46] <cehteh> power wont be a problem, except with 40W when anything fries .. then it will fry spectaculary :)
[0:46] <[Saint]> Ah. I misread. Not trying to hook LEDs up to 5V direct.
[0:46] <[Saint]> Nevrmind me, must be coffee time.
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[0:48] <[Saint]> That's usually a great way to release some smoke.
[0:48] <b3nn1> bought a cheap one... like 25-30€
[0:49] <[Saint]> I've seen lots of "5V" LEDs but it's almost always the reverse bias tolerance.
[0:49] <[Saint]> Not the operating range.
[0:49] <b3nn1> found a few with open contacts and better effiency, however I want to build the rpi + leds into a table and dont want anybody to get hurt
[0:50] <b3nn1> like these http://www.netzgeraet.de/media/image/thumbnail/f9d34b35618ec9dd79d3ba264db5d06d_600x600.jpg
[0:50] <cehteh> the rpi should switch the leds?
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[0:51] * cehteh just got some 12V 30A PS's :)
[0:51] <b3nn1> http://i.stack.imgur.com/T5bRL.png
[0:51] <cehteh> thats more fun
[0:51] <b3nn1> like this
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[0:51] <cehteh> ah yes will do with these leds
[0:51] <cehteh> but as i saied, i'd consider a lc filter in front of the pi
[0:51] <stormysea> Hi, is there a separate channel for the banana pi?
[0:52] <cehteh> http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__26246__L_C_Power_Filter_for_FPV_A_V_Systems.html .. something like that
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[0:55] <b3nn1> how high will be the consumption of this sensor? http://www.aliexpress.com/item/IR-Infrared-Obstacle-Avoidance-Sensor-Module-for-Arduino-Smart-Car-Robot-3-wire/32400477970.html
[0:55] <b3nn1> I guess about 15-20mA
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[0:56] <cehteh> when the leds are pulsed then even less, otherwise likely in that ballbark
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[0:56] <[Saint]> "IR Infrared"
[0:56] <[Saint]> ...glad they cleared that up, I thought they meant that /other/ infrared.
[0:57] <[Saint]> That coul've been confusing.
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[0:59] <b3nn1> want to use about 100 of those... ~6,6W
[0:59] <b3nn1> hooke up onto 7 MCP23017 port expanders
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[1:01] <cehteh> oops
[1:01] <cehteh> for what? arent there better/more elegant options?
[1:02] <b3nn1> object detection
[1:02] <b3nn1> http://www.it-gecko.de/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/HSV-Fun.jpg
[1:04] <cehteh> just use a photodiode without IR transmitter? you have some light sources, rest could be in software
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[1:06] <b3nn1> I want it to operate at any time, at night and at day
[1:06] <b3nn1> by that external sources would interrupt it I think
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[1:08] <cehteh> maybe dunno, guess that can be handled in software
[1:08] <cehteh> well not my project
[1:09] <stormysea> does anyone here have a Banana Pi?
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[1:25] <CosmicNoise> Hello
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[4:20] <Peppi> hello
[4:23] <Peppi> I want to use a pi to display a website. What I want is to be able to plug the Pi via hdmi into a TV and the TV will display the website. There can be no other input to the PI. Is this possible?
[4:24] <Kamilion> how are you providing it network access to reach the website?
[4:24] <Lartza> Peppi, What do you mean by other input? You need internet if you want to fetch the page
[4:24] <Peppi> The Pi will have a wireless connection to the internet
[4:25] <Peppi> what I mean by no other input is there will be no user input
[4:25] <Kamilion> yeah, look up the various pi web kiosks
[4:25] <Kamilion> http://www.binaryemotions.com/digital-signage/raspberry-digital-signage/
[4:25] <Peppi> in other words someone unplugs the PI and then plugs it into a TV, boom the website is displayed
[4:25] <Kamilion> This one was the last one I looked at.
[4:26] <Lartza> Yes, you can hack that together Peppi
[4:26] <Peppi> ok cool
[4:26] <Kamilion> I just provided you a link to a download that does that, no real hacking required.
[4:26] <Peppi> Kamilion: yup I see that :D
[4:26] <Peppi> cool
[4:27] <Kamilion> there's also the web kiosk version, if you DO want users to interact with it, but want to lock them into some tiny web space
[4:27] <Kamilion> like a library book lookup tool or something similar
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[4:28] <Peppi> ya don't need that, as the users will have no way to interact with the PI... unless they use there cell phones some how
[4:28] <Kamilion> with a USB barcode wand, or something like that
[4:29] <Kamilion> but yeah, if you don't connect any input devices, the 'digital signage' one is what you want, pretty much.
[4:29] <Kamilion> if you need something customizable, I'd look at https://bitbucket.org/dfairhead/streetsign-server
[4:30] <Kamilion> that can host websites to provide the 'digital signs' to the pi
[4:31] <Kamilion> stuff you'd see at conferences, maps, slideshows, realtime clocks
[4:31] <Lartza> Kamilion, Why do something so bloated when you can just set up like, autologin > run X > run commands on X startup :P
[4:31] <Lartza> But maybe that's just me :P
[4:31] <Kamilion> Lartza: why even both with passwd and encryption?
[4:31] <Kamilion> let's just give everyone access! Who needs security!
[4:32] <Kamilion> I know, we'll set the password to 'password'. They'll NEVER guess that!
[4:32] <Lartza> What?
[4:32] <Lartza> Why
[4:32] <Lartza> I don't get your reasoning behind that, you can login to a limited user, disable input and everything
[4:32] <Kamilion> *sigh* Security's somewhat important, Lartza. It's not just as simple as you say.
[4:32] <Lartza> No need to be so dumb abuout it
[4:32] <Kamilion> how do you prevent people from breaking out of the browser?
[4:32] <Kamilion> how do you force it into fullscreen mode?
[4:32] <Lartza> Are they going to telepathically force it out of the browser?
[4:33] <Kamilion> no, crash it, exploit it, plenty of ways.
[4:33] <Kamilion> in your case, just plug in a USB keyboard and ctrl-alt-f2
[4:33] <Lartza> With their minds?
[4:33] <Lartza> You can of course stop that if needed
[4:33] <Kamilion> yeah, which is the point of those prebuilt images.
[4:33] <Lartza> I don't know what is needed in this case, of course you can use a kiosk stuff if you want
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[4:34] <Lartza> You might just want a fancy notification board at home, who knows
[4:34] <Kamilion> Well, streetsign provides the actual websites, customizable
[4:34] <Kamilion> it doesn't really have much to do with the pi at all
[4:34] <Kamilion> it's just a really easy way to slap together digital signage that lives at a URL
[4:34] <Kamilion> all nicely wrapped up with javascript to do something like flip through a bunch of cards
[4:35] <Kamilion> the client side is just a web browser.
[4:35] <Kamilion> There's some extensions installed that force it into fullscreen and disable a bunch of features
[4:35] <Kamilion> It's likely set as the application the xsession launches, instead of a DE
[4:36] <Kamilion> and a script is put in place to run it in a while true loop so even if it crashes, it restarts.
[4:36] <Kamilion> I've done it for PCs, it's a lot of trouble to prevent all the known 'tricks' from working like killing X with ctrl-alt-backspace
[4:36] <Kamilion> or using sysrq tricks
[4:37] <Lartza> I thought ctrl-alt-backspace wasn't even on anymore by default
[4:37] <Kamilion> it's not
[4:37] <Lartza> For like, a long time
[4:37] <Lartza> Well not THAT long but
[4:37] <Kamilion> But you know about it because you've just identified yourself as a linux user who's been around for a while.
[4:37] * Kamilion jerks his thumb at the newbies
[4:38] <Kamilion> they might not know all these little things
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[4:38] <Kamilion> 'just autologin' is your experience talking, it seems like a simple process, knock it out in a day, tops, but when you sit down to do it and find all the different little ways...
[4:39] <Kamilion> And I know, things have gotten better, lightdm does a much better job of autologin than gdm
[4:39] <Lartza> Rome wasn't built in a day :P If all you need is a website displayed on a TV then that works
[4:39] <Lartza> Nobody asked about security :P
[4:39] <Kamilion> but tuning a system to be physically secured is a tough task
[4:40] <Kamilion> the binary-emotions guys dealt with all that
[4:40] <Lartza> If you need security then you have to deal with that
[4:40] <Kamilion> even to the point of being able to disable classes of usb devices by writing to sysfs's nice little authorized flag
[4:41] <Kamilion> So, really, either you're a classic linux user, no money, lots of time, or you're a modern linux user, plenty of money but no time to mess around.
[4:41] <Kamilion> I prefer doing it your way, to be clear
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[4:42] <Kamilion> but I also spent a lot of time building up the skills and experience that makes it easy for me to spit out LiveCD appliances for PCs :)
[4:42] <Lartza> I don't have money sadly, and I like doing stuff myself :P
[4:42] <Kamilion> yep, you're in the boat most of us are in.
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[4:44] <Lartza> Security is actually one of the most annoying things though
[4:44] <Kamilion> https://github.com/xoreaxeaxeax/sinkhole
[4:44] <Kamilion> never know when something might just pop up ;)
[4:45] <Lartza> I run servers, so I have to think about that for some stuff on a weekly basis :P
[4:45] <Kamilion> same.
[4:45] <Kamilion> not only do I run a VPS hosting service, I also maintain the OS image it runs on.
[4:45] <Kamilion> https://github.com/kamilion/kamikazi-deploy
[4:45] <Lartza> Luckily it's just my messy own stuffs and stuff for my friends but still
[4:46] <Kamilion> physical security is currently out of scope for me -- all of my machines are in a locked cage at the datacenter
[4:47] <Kamilion> but I did strongly think about network security.
[4:47] <Lartza> Well yeah, I'm on OVH so I don't even own the hardware
[4:47] <Lartza> :P
[4:47] <Kamilion> heh, yeah, i have a friend running kamikazi on a pair of ovh nodes in canada
[4:47] <Lartza> Don't really have money for that yet as a student
[4:47] <Kamilion> either kimsufi or soyoustart
[4:47] <Kamilion> soyoustart, I think
[4:47] <Kamilion> he requested iscsi support, I obliged
[4:48] <Lartza> That's the medium-class servers that are a bit better than the shitty kimsufi ones
[4:48] <Kamilion> yeah, base E3-1220s
[4:48] <Lartza> Though kimsufi ain't that bad if it's enough for you
[4:48] <Kamilion> i sell those for about $500 at my real warehouse job
[4:48] <Lartza> There's just so SO many people doing stupid stuff on cheap OVH
[4:48] <Kamilion> dell R210-IIs
[4:48] <Kamilion> yeah, that's basically what it's for
[4:48] <Lartza> like small VPS companies that don't know what they are doing
[4:48] <Lartza> :D
[4:49] <Kamilion> and people wanting to use docker and other container systems on baremetal
[4:51] <lili> What is a good VPS to use for a really affordable low price?
[4:51] <Lartza> Depends on what you want to use it for
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[5:04] <chupacabra> [michael@chupa work]$ fortune
[5:04] <chupacabra> Why are the people starving?
[5:04] <chupacabra> Because the rulers eat up the money in taxes.
[5:04] <chupacabra> Therefore the people are starving.
[5:04] <chupacabra> Why are the people rebellious?
[5:04] <chupacabra> Because the rulers interfere too much.
[5:04] <chupacabra> Therefore they are rebellious.
[5:04] <chupacabra> Why do the people think so little of death?
[5:04] <chupacabra> Because the rulers demand too much of life.
[5:04] <chupacabra> Therefore the people take death lightly.
[5:04] <chupacabra> Having little to live on, one knows better than to value life too much.
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[5:06] <chupacabra> where should i get a micro sd card? last 3 i got from ebay wont like rasbian
[5:07] <Lartza> Why?
[5:07] <Lartza> Cheap noname chinese ones?
[5:07] <Lartza> Maybe check the list of tested working ones and buy one listed?
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[6:55] <JungleBoogie> happy birthday to the irc channel. its now 4 years and 3 days old!
[6:56] <Peppi> whoo hooo
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[6:59] <JungleBoogie> when was rpi launched for sale? i think it was february, 2012? has it been that long already?
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[8:27] <Schabo> I'm trying to get a RTL8188 wifi stick to work on my RPi, latest raspbian installed in February. Anyone that could help me out?
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[8:32] <Schabo> oh, rpi-update is the way to go... testing that...
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[8:52] <ShorTie> no real need for rpi-update
[8:53] <Schabo> yeah, made no difference... still not working
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[8:54] <Schabo> It seems to load driver but after a while I loose all network connectivity on it and it doesn't connect the wifi either
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[8:57] <ShorTie> plugged into powered hub or pi ??
[8:57] <Schabo> pi
[8:57] <Schabo> It's the rpi 2
[8:57] <ShorTie> ok, how big is your power supply ??
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[8:58] <Schabo> 2 amps
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[8:58] <ShorTie> �k�� ��K��
[8:58] <ShorTie> using the current hack ??
[8:58] <Schabo> Never heard of it, so no
[8:59] <ShorTie> https://projects.drogon.net/testing-setting-the-usb-current-limiter-on-the-raspberry-pi-b/
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[9:01] <Schabo> That's for rpi b+, does it work on rpi 2 also?
[9:01] <ShorTie> Yuppers ... :)
[9:01] <Schabo> and is it really needed?
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[9:02] <ShorTie> other wise the usb is limited to like 600ma
[9:03] <Schabo> Should be enough for just the wifi stick imho
[9:04] <ShorTie> not really normally
[9:06] <Schabo> I don't think power is the issue
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[9:14] <ShorTie> so it works for awhile then dies ??
[9:15] <ShorTie> have you looked in dmesg at all
[9:15] <Schabo> yes, it "works" for a while but it never connects to wifi
[9:15] <Schabo> Not dmesg but syslog
[9:16] <Schabo> This is when hotpluging the wifi, after this it works for a few minutes and then I loose the connection. http://pastebin.com/GiYhhKWU
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[9:18] <ShorTie> did you read that and see any problems ??
[9:19] <Schabo> yes, googling for those but can't find a solution
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[10:08] <Schabo> ShorTie, so all I find is about accesspoints that I'm not trying to do. Do you have any ideas?
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[10:16] <ShorTie> just some old 46 page thread on the forums, https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=91&t=6256
[10:16] <Schabo> yeah, same as me. This card is said to work by just downloading firmware as i have done.
[10:17] <lilwiz> Hi everyone, I'm about to buy a Raspberry Pi 2 to use it as a low-budget HTPC. But how do people solve the power on/power off? Do people install a button or does it power off when the OS (OpenELEC) shuts down?
[10:17] <Schabo> lilwiz, I never power mine off.
[10:17] <ShorTie> only way to 'power it off' is pull the plug
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[10:18] <lilwiz> Hmm alright. So shutting down the OS isn't really shutting it off?
[10:18] <ShorTie> nop
[10:19] <lilwiz> How is it with LEDs blinking and all? Does it get annoying if it's placed behind a TV?
[10:19] <ShorTie> and with other hardware, the only way to get it to boot again is unplug/plug it back in
[10:20] <lilwiz> I guess I could use black paint to kill the LEDs but I rather keep it in mint condition if possible :P might go robotics on it later
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[10:29] <ShorTie> really i think you would only see them if you got a mirror behind the tv
[10:29] <ShorTie> mount it so they face the tv .. :/~
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[10:39] <nid0> fwiw, if you add a https://www.pi-supply.com/product/pi-supply-raspberry-pi-power-switch/ to go with your pi it will power down entirely when you shut the pi down
[10:39] <nid0> and you then have a button to power it back up
[10:41] <ShorTie> Also includes a free Pi Supply sticker. Makes it worth it right there
[10:41] <nid0> I actually got 2 stickers with mine, double the fun!
[10:42] <ShorTie> Mega Bonus
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[10:56] <Schabo> Finally some progress... Now it's trying to do DHCP but fails
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[12:09] <dpes> hi all, maybe someone heard about project of compiling code & uploading directly to RPi like to arduino?
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[12:11] <ShorTie> no need to upload it, just compile and run it is all
[12:11] <Encrypt> dpes, Why don't you compile it on your pi directly?
[12:12] <dpes> for fun, for knowledge... it's a realy nice thing running http on arduino :)
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[12:13] <dpes> for checking how many rps I could get from http code serving simple png file I could get :)
[12:14] <dpes> Encrypt: imagine... deploying statics by changing SD card and reenabling power to farm of RPi ;)
[12:15] <dpes> each generalization (os) is a bloat when coming to specialization :)
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[12:17] <dpes> I know it's crazy...
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[12:45] <calimero_82> hi guys
[12:46] <calimero_82> sometimes appears 4 colored squares on the monitor , what does it means?
[12:46] <calimero_82> low power?
[12:47] <calimero_82> i use openelec
[12:47] <Encrypt> calimero_82, http://elinux.org/R-Pi_Troubleshooting#Coloured_splash_screen
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[12:49] <calimero_82> hi Encrypt, also when i starts kodi,
[12:49] <calimero_82> on the right angle
[12:49] <calimero_82> 4 little colored squares
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[12:50] <Encrypt> Hum
[12:50] <calimero_82> i've read it's a power supply, i've rasp2
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[12:51] <Encrypt> calimero_82, Yes, it seems
[12:51] <Encrypt> Could you test with another power supply?
[12:51] <Lina> o/
[12:52] <Encrypt> Hi Lina!
[12:52] <calimero_82> i've bought in chinese store a poweradapter
[12:52] <Encrypt> (<.<)
[12:52] <calimero_82> 2.1 a
[12:52] <calimero_82> 5V 2.1 a
[12:52] <Lartza> Firehazards? What are those some kind of elitist bullshit?
[12:52] <Encrypt> You sure? :P
[12:53] <calimero_82> isnt'good? 2.1 is too low for rasp2?
[12:53] <Lartza> calimero_82, It might not be 2.1A
[12:53] <Lartza> ...
[12:53] <Lartza> Cheap chinese crap is cheap chinese crap
[12:53] <Encrypt> I've seen a "2 TB" Chinese Hard Drive with a 2 GB USB key inside it on the internet
[12:53] <Encrypt> calimero_82, wouldn't trust/10
[12:54] <Lartza> Encrypt, This one is also a fun watch https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wi-b9k-0KfE
[12:54] <calimero_82> it says: input 150mA output 2.1A
[12:54] <Encrypt> Yeah, I had a look at it :p
[12:54] <Lartza> calimero_82, I can write "output 2.1A" to my hand
[12:54] <Lartza> Doesn't make it right :D
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[12:55] <Encrypt> Anyway, lunch time!
[12:55] <calimero_82> so i must buy another power adapter
[12:55] <Encrypt> See ya o/
[12:55] <calimero_82> ok
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[12:55] <calimero_82> bye
[12:56] <Lartza> calimero_82, That or measure the adapter but it could then also die under spikes
[12:56] <Lartza> Don't have a phone charger to use?
[12:56] <calimero_82> yes
[12:56] <calimero_82> but isn't 2.1 a
[12:56] <calimero_82> it's more low
[12:57] <calimero_82> 1.5 a
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[12:57] <calimero_82> i go to lunch
[12:57] <calimero_82> bye
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[13:11] <t3chguy> canton7: also could be the cable between the power adapter and the Pi
[13:11] <t3chguy> some cables have high voltage drop
[13:11] <t3chguy> but most chinese power supplies will not be as powerful as they claim
[13:11] <t3chguy> canton7: wrong tag
[13:11] <t3chguy> calimero already left, lol
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[13:18] <Lartza> t3chguy, Of course he did, you weren't fast enough again!!! Damn people on IRC never helping even though they get paid for it
[13:18] <Lartza> Oh wait
[13:18] <t3chguy> lol
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[13:19] <t3chguy> to be fair, my 5.1V @ 2.1A Apple iPad charger with a Google Chromecast fails to make my RPi2 happy. The cause is the Chromecast cable is so thin is drops 0.4v
[13:19] <t3chguy> s/Chromecast/Chromecast cable/
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[13:21] <Armand> Lartza: Lovely example of ironic sarcasm... Kudos to you. :)
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[13:54] <johnm> Would anyone happen to have an RPi 2 which suffers from the bcm2708 hub resetting during moderate network load on the onboard adapter (it's an smsx95xx usbnet adapter)? If so, did you find a sensible solution/root cause before I spend any real time investigating? It manifests itself as the onboard adapter just disappearing & reconnecting (and then needs reconfiguring). Looks more of an issue with the chipset/driver (if its the latter I might ...
[13:55] <johnm> ... hack around on it).
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[14:04] <H__> johnm: I saw that once, but that was on an abused system where the gpio pins were fed 5V and worse: the 3.3V was pulled up to 5V . Impressive that pi still lives (it's not being abused anymore)
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[14:07] <johnm> H__: hmm, mine is essentially brand new with the most recent mainline kernel thats supported, with two USB ethernet adapters powered over 2.1A/5V USB. I ended up having to get console on the GPIO but didn't power it that way. Then decided to power it that was as well and still no luck. Googling it looks like a fairly ocmmon problem. Looks driver/chipset related but it might also just be a bad Pi so I've got a replacement coming but I'm ...
[14:07] <johnm> ... expecting it to have the same issues.
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[14:09] <johnm> All I see is garbage kprint()'d and the controller reset. I was going to spend some time digging further into it but would prefer it to just work. Expecting it to be an issue with smsx95xx
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[14:09] <johnm> Passing more than 500Kb/s or so cripples it within seconds.
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[14:35] <skylite> anyone has a CO2 Carbon Dioxide Sensor for raspberry pi?
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[14:43] <SpeedEvil> For what?
[14:44] <SpeedEvil> gaseous CO2 sensors are about 100 quid
[14:44] <calimero_82> sorry guys for rasp2 how many Am avail ? thanks
[14:45] <calimero_82> i've one of 2.1 A 5V but there are 4 colored squares on the right
[14:45] <t3chguy> calimero_82: the cable could be at fault too
[14:45] <t3chguy> the voltage drop over thin cables can be really high
[14:46] <t3chguy> find out how many AWG the cable between the supply and pi is
[14:46] <skylite> SpeedEvil this is quite cheap http://www.ebay.com/itm/SainSmart-MG-811-MG811-CO2-Carbon-Dioxide-Sensor-For-Arduino-UNO-R3-Raspberry-Pi-/301191399526
[14:46] <skylite> im just wondering where can I find a source code for this
[14:46] <SpeedEvil> That must be new
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[14:47] <t3chguy> they've sold those at my local Maplin for over a year
[14:47] <t3chguy> so SpeedEvil I wouldn't say new
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[14:47] <SpeedEvil> Ah - I think I was looking for rapid sensors that could do expirometry studies
[14:48] <SpeedEvil> It is unclear.
[14:49] <SpeedEvil> I suspect that is simply a comparator and a pot
[14:49] <SpeedEvil> this would mean tha the digital out is simply read with a digitial input
[14:49] <SpeedEvil> and goes high or low depending on the setting of the pot and if it exceeds or not the sensed value
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[14:49] <skylite> do I have to write the code for myself if I want to use these sensors or is there some opensource code somewhere like for the temperature and humidity sensors?
[14:49] <calimero_82> t3chguy: how do u do this ? i must buy some device?
[14:50] <SpeedEvil> skylite: it's a 'button'
[14:50] <t3chguy> calimero_82: if the cable is of decent quality it'll say the AWG along the side of the cable
[14:50] <SpeedEvil> skylite: it is pressed or not if a certain value of CO2 is gotten
[14:50] <t3chguy> SpeedEvil: it has both an A and a D output
[14:50] <SpeedEvil> skylite: it requires no complex driver as you cannot read the value out. Only if it's higher than some value you've set with a screwdriver
[14:50] <skylite> ah its that simple? damn
[14:50] <t3chguy> the pot controls the threshold for the trigger of the D output
[14:51] <SpeedEvil> skylite: lm393 is a comparator not an a/d
[14:51] <t3chguy> SpeedEvil: it does have an Analogue output so you could use an ADC to get its exact value
[14:51] <SpeedEvil> you'd need to find an a/d and connect that to the pi also
[14:51] <SpeedEvil> yes
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[14:52] <calimero_82> t3chguy: i've bought the power supply in a chinese store
[14:52] <t3chguy> calimero_82: try your phone charger
[14:52] <t3chguy> the Pi, without many peripherals needs less than 1A
[14:52] <SpeedEvil> Now, the fun question - can you find an ADC that fits in the LM393 footprint :)
[14:52] <t3chguy> its mostly the quality of the power supply that matters
[14:52] <calimero_82> t3chguy: i've rasp 2
[14:52] <t3chguy> calimero_82: my Raspberry Pi 2 on its own uses around 400mA
[14:53] <skylite> SpeedEvil why? I have a DHT22 temperature and humidity sensor for my pi and it does not require extra ADC I just plug it in and spits out the values
[14:53] <skylite> from a python code
[14:53] <t3chguy> skylite: that probably has an ADC and some Serializer module
[14:53] <t3chguy> skylite: this module is much more barebones than that initially
[14:53] <calimero_82> yes but how do u see the Ma it utilized?
[14:54] <skylite> t3chguy I see. Are there any better modules for measuring co2 levels?
[14:54] <t3chguy> calimero_82: I measure using a Mastech Multimeter
[14:55] <calimero_82> thanks t3chguy
[14:55] <t3chguy> calimero_82: but you can use something like a USB Battery Doctor
[14:55] <t3chguy> or any other current-capable multimeter
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[14:55] <t3chguy> just remember, you can't measure current on a power supply without a sufficient load
[14:55] <SpeedEvil> skylite: you can just use that module and an ADC. Or you find one with integral ADC
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[14:56] <calimero_82> so do u think it's a cable problem and not power supply
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[14:56] <skylite> SpeedEvil this module has Analog + TTL output
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[14:56] <skylite> is the ttl maybe something I want?
[14:56] <SpeedEvil> http://www.co2meter.com/products/cozir-co2-temperature-humidity-sensor
[14:57] <SpeedEvil> skylite: TTL is simply the voltage level output
[14:57] <skylite> SpeedEvil this module looks better
[14:57] <pksato> TTL = 5V
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[14:58] <t3chguy> calimero_82: its probably a combination of both
[14:58] <t3chguy> try your phone charger
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[14:58] <t3chguy> and the thickest USB Cable you can find
[14:59] <SpeedEvil> The above outptus serial
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[15:06] <calimero_82> thanks t3chguy
[15:06] <t3chguy> no problem calimero_82
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[15:08] <calimero_82> t3chguy: i buy this http://www.amazon.it/gp/product/B00MTXC680/ref=s9_simh_gw_p147_d0_i2?pf_rd_m=A11IL2PNWYJU7H&pf_rd_s=desktop-1&pf_rd_r=1F2QWPAYQBSVCBKSX014&pf_rd_t=36701&pf_rd_p=577208427&pf_rd_i=desktop
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[15:08] <t3chguy> calimero_82: why not get the official supply?
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[15:08] <calimero_82> can u give me the link
[15:08] <t3chguy> calimero_82: http://www.amazon.it/Raspberry-Pi-OFFICIAL-National-adapter/dp/B00MBH6XNS/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1439816914&sr=8-1&keywords=Raspberry+pi+power+supply+official
[15:08] <t3chguy> its cheaper in other places
[15:09] <t3chguy> I bought it for £7 (GBP) (Around 10 EUR)
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[15:34] <phb2k1> can someone of you recommend a good cheap 2A power supply? Euro Plug
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[15:35] <t3chguy> phb2k1: the official one
[15:35] <t3chguy> http://www.amazon.it/Raspberry-Pi-OFFICIAL-National-adapter/dp/B00MBH6XNS/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1439816914&sr=8-1&keywords=Raspberry+pi+power+supply+official
[15:35] <t3chguy> find it in your respective country
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[15:37] <phb2k1> t3chguy: got it! thx
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[15:37] <t3chguy> no problem
[15:37] <t3chguy> its nice, stays cool, and works in loads of countries
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[16:08] <Peakaboo> Hey there
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[16:08] <Peakaboo> What is the power consumption of a raspberry pi 2 with raspbian from scratch
[16:08] <Peakaboo> Without any usb device
[16:08] <t3chguy> Peakaboo: around 400mA
[16:09] <t3chguy> distro doesn't affect power usage
[16:09] <Peakaboo> t3chguy: even if you launch a thousand of services ?
[16:09] <Peakaboo> t3chguy: not sure
[16:09] <t3chguy> thats load
[16:10] <t3chguy> not distro dependent
[16:10] <t3chguy> it depends how much you load the hardware
[16:10] <Peakaboo> yes
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[16:10] <Peakaboo> t3chguy: I do agree
[16:10] <t3chguy> if you use up all the GPIO and full load for example you'll go up to double that
[16:10] <Peakaboo> That's why I'm giving the name of the distro
[16:10] <Peakaboo> t3chguy: nice
[16:10] <t3chguy> mine at all 4 cores loaded with a USB Tranceiver and Ethernet uses 700mA
[16:11] <Peakaboo> t3chguy: I'm calculating the time of survival of my rasp plugged to Romoss 2600mah
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[16:16] <shiftplusone> Peakaboo: I am seeing ~300mA with a sense hat attached.
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[16:25] <haskellberry_pie> Hi, do you use an ESD-mat when using your Raspberry pi? Am I stupid if I'm not?
[16:27] <shiftplusone> I don't, but you can damage things like the camera with static.
[16:28] <haskellberry_pie> ok, i have the camera, you mean the external camera right?
[16:28] <shiftplusone> But in general, once components are on a board, they are not that sensitive and the pi does have some esd protection
[16:28] <haskellberry_pie> i am going to buy an ESD-mat, just wondering if i should be a bit more patient and waint until i get it before i start using the rpi?
[16:29] <shiftplusone> I really wouldn't bother with an esd mat here
[16:29] <nid0> are you meaning having a mat literally just to rest the pi on while running it?
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[16:29] <nid0> if so its overkill, just don't run it while it's flat on a metal surface.
[16:30] <shiftplusone> just make sure you discharge before handling the camera.
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[16:30] <t3chguy> as long as you don't purposefully go out of your way to create Static, you should be fine
[16:32] <haskellberry_pie> how do I discharge myself!?
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[16:32] <haskellberry_pie> i was thinking mat with bracelet connected to groundso that i am grounded when using the rpi
[16:32] <milk_base> t3chguy: dude
[16:32] <t3chguy> what now milk_base
[16:33] <milk_base> t3chguy: I'm trolling you with this very sentence
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[16:33] <t3chguy> good for your silly existence mate
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[16:48] <niston> sup, yo
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[17:06] <totalconfusion> Hi huys, I want to know if I'm ready to put an external 3.3v into my raspberry pi. I have a bit of Python3 code I want to be assesed before I 'flick the switch' - my questions are: have I set my PUD resistors correctly (can I do this in hardware with resistors?) I don't want to short circuit my raspi
[17:07] <totalconfusion> http://pastebin.ca/3109367
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[17:07] <Encrypt> totalconfusion, Did you connect the grounds?
[17:08] <Encrypt> The one of the pi and the one of your power supply
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[17:10] <totalconfusion> Encrypt, sorry I don'y understand your question, perhaps I could post a schematic?
[17:10] <Encrypt> totalconfusion, You're in totalconfusion ? :D
[17:10] <totalconfusion> yes, perpetualy
[17:11] <totalconfusion> perpetually*
[17:11] <Encrypt> totalconfusion, I mean, apparently you have another power supply
[17:11] <Encrypt> Which outputs 3V3
[17:11] <altos> Hey guys, I would like to get the audio and microphone connection somehow connected with a raspberry pi to electric bell system but wireless. Any idea which hardware I need for that? -Pic: http://i.imgur.com/2CKf67s.jpg
[17:11] <totalconfusion> I'll upload a schematic
[17:11] <Encrypt> So there is a "+" and a "-"
[17:11] <Encrypt> i.e. "+" and "GND"
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[17:13] <totalconfusion> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B4otLqwDxIdoc3dHV0dNbHQxUTg/view?usp=sharing
[17:13] <totalconfusion> Idea is it's a shutdown controller. the hardware works. I'm looking at the code now
[17:14] <Encrypt> Ah, ok
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[17:14] <totalconfusion> sorry the switches are not in the sch
[17:14] <totalconfusion> but you get the idea
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[17:15] <totalconfusion> I want to know if my code looks "healthy"
[17:15] <totalconfusion> I'll run it... just wanted to check before I blow up another raspi
[17:16] <totalconfusion> the offside schematic in the botton left is just a raw 3.3v from a voltage regulator strait into GPIO4
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[17:17] <totalconfusion> bottom right*
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[17:18] <haskellberry_pie> the raspberry pi 2 only has a micro sd slot right?
[17:18] <altos> yes
[17:18] <t3chguy> yes haskellberry_pie
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[17:19] <altos> well, you can use an adapter (saw one from china lol)
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[17:20] <totalconfusion> haskellberry_pie, yes. but you can run a bootloader on the SD card, and run your OS from a USB 2.0
[17:20] <totalconfusion> if you have corruption considerations
[17:20] <totalconfusion> your name is funnt idk why
[17:21] <totalconfusion> haskellberry haha, I like it
[17:22] <altos> and you sound like you have no clue -always-, totalconfusion :D
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[17:22] <totalconfusion> altos, school me then
[17:23] <altos> I would if I could :)
[17:23] <altos> I mean your name
[17:24] <totalconfusion> oh
[17:24] <totalconfusion> yeah it's just a name
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[17:26] <totalconfusion> haskellberry_pie, what is your application? you get very different read/write rates with different SD cards and USB HDD's
[17:26] <haskellberry_pie> i sound like i have no clue? or totalconfusion? im new to the rb2 so i dont have much clkue yet, learning
[17:26] <haskellberry_pie> totalconfusion, dont have an pplication yet, just bought one to learn. might make a home alarm later with camera and some sensor to my front door
[17:27] <totalconfusion> stick with rocking raspbian on your SD card. you shouldn't get corruption issues (SD card issue not raspi)
[17:28] <totalconfusion> archlinux is also good if your doing gnuradio or security pentesting
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[17:29] <totalconfusion> if you just want to set up something for your living room (media centre type thing) you should use the OS XMV
[17:29] <totalconfusion> xmbx
[17:29] <totalconfusion> XMBC*
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[17:30] <totalconfusion> sorry too much drink
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[17:30] <totalconfusion> I think XMBC might've been replaced with another surpurlative acronym
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[17:33] <traeak> xbmc
[17:33] <traeak> yeah replaced with something forgettable :-p
[17:33] <drunkleeisdrunk> KODI
[17:33] <totalconfusion> thats it!
[17:33] <totalconfusion> be real, rock archlinux
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[17:35] <totalconfusion> arm wasn't meant for media centres..... it's cheap but.... good luck teching your old folks how to use ubuntu and install flash, etc. etc.
[17:35] <totalconfusion> kodi is retard-friendly
[17:35] <drunkleeisdrunk> KODI on rpi2 is actually quite easy
[17:35] <totalconfusion> yeah but it's kodi
[17:36] <drunkleeisdrunk> the whole HDMI-CEC means you can control the interface with your remote control
[17:36] <drunkleeisdrunk> and that is cool as shit
[17:36] <drunkleeisdrunk> with your TV remote control i should say
[17:36] <totalconfusion> CEC isn't kodi
[17:36] <totalconfusion> CEC is a function of your TV
[17:36] <drunkleeisdrunk> yeah, but you won't drive raspbian with it
[17:36] <totalconfusion> what?
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[17:37] <drunkleeisdrunk> nvm
[17:37] <totalconfusion> raspbian is an OS, which runs on a PC ( usually a raspi)
[17:38] <totalconfusion> goddamnit your the guy who gave me "advice" last night"
[17:38] <IT_Sean> drunkleeisdrunk: please watch the swearing in #raspberrypi. The channel language policy is linked in the topic. Thank you.
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[17:38] <totalconfusion> I appreciate the fact you say your drunk but ffs, stop commenting!
[17:39] <drunkleeisdrunk> dorry dad
[17:39] <totalconfusion> kodi is a cool OS for the living room
[17:39] <totalconfusion> raspbian is a more functional, more maintained OS
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[17:39] <totalconfusion> CEC is an ISO standard for HDMI TV's
[17:39] <shiftplusone> kodi isn't an OS, it's an application. You can run it under raspbian.
[17:40] <shiftplusone> you might be thinking of openelec
[17:40] <totalconfusion> shiftplusone, thanks! I think I was. interesting
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[17:44] <haskellberry_pie> any point in a dual partition for playing around? you can easily redo it later anyway right?
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[17:45] <haskellberry_pie> do you always boot from sd casrd or can you permanently install to the rb2?
[17:45] <totalconfusion> provide context and you'll get a better answer
[17:45] <rapower> hi all is it posibel to read the interface file on a pc with the miinsd card mounted
[17:46] <rapower> after one year i forgot the ip to lock in
[17:46] <rapower> its fixed in the interfaces
[17:46] <totalconfusion> haskellberry_pie, as said before, you can use the SD card as a bootloader and run you OS off a drive
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[17:47] <rapower> the ubuntu is saiing no rights to read
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[17:47] <totalconfusion> rapower, can you please upload your interfaces file to pastebin
[17:47] <IT_Sean> haskellberry_pie: as totalconfusion pointed out, you can boot from the SD but run the OS from a USB drive. The SD card is still required, however. The PI can only begin the boot process from the SD card.
[17:47] <totalconfusion> and let us know what you need
[17:47] <nid0> rapower: yes with the right driver to read ext filesystems you can - alternatively if the pi is booting and connecting correctly and you just don't know its IP, you can check from your router or using arp / nmap
[17:49] <rapower> nid im on a ubuntu 14.04
[17:49] <totalconfusion> haskellberry_pie, as IT_Sean has said "YOU NEED THE SD CARD TO TELL YOUR PC WHERE TO BOOT FROM" wether that's the SD card itself or a USB HDD or whatever
[17:49] <rapower> nid0: so filesystem is not the issue
[17:49] <IT_Sean> totalconfusion: was that really necessary?
[17:49] <totalconfusion> haskellberry_pie, basically the SD is used as a bootloader
[17:49] <totalconfusion> um
[17:50] <haskellberry_pie> why is NOOBS saying it will erase existing data on the SD card, i thought raspbian was on the SD card already?
[17:50] <totalconfusion> idk?
[17:51] <totalconfusion> http://lmgtfy.com/?q=how+to+install+raspbian+with+noobs
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[17:52] <rapower> totalconfusion: if i had permission i coudt read it so i as well cand copy it ;-)
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[17:52] <nid0> so what happens when you cat the file.
[17:53] <totalconfusion> rapower, make the file NOT read only
[17:54] <totalconfusion> in windows that requires right clicking and selecting properties then making the file read/write for the user
[17:54] <rapower> oh o need the sudo of the pc not of the raspberry Sorry folks
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[17:55] <totalconfusion> IT_Sean, apparently it was
[17:55] * totalconfusion tags out
[17:56] <haskellberry_pie> is the first install of raspbian extremely slow? 20% has taken 10 minutes...
[17:57] <nid0> did you download noobs or noobs lite?
[17:58] <totalconfusion> perhaps you formatted your drive with a shitty allocation?
[17:58] <totalconfusion> or you plugged your USB into the FRONT of your computer and it's a slow speed 1.0 port
[17:58] <totalconfusion> just grin and bear it
[17:59] <totalconfusion> learn
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[18:00] <IT_Sean> totalconfusion: please watch your language. The channel language policy is linked in the topic for your review.
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[18:00] <totalconfusion> thanks IT_Sean I'll adjust my language to reflect the policys of this channel
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[18:01] <IT_Sean> Thank you, totalconfusion
[18:01] <totalconfusion> nek minnit the garl darng'd koalas are defecating all over my porch!
[18:02] <drunkleeisdrunk> are you trolling totalconfusion
[18:02] <totalconfusion> no, just aussie
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[18:02] <totalconfusion> but fair enough I'll stop a' cussin'
[18:02] <totalconfusion> :P
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[18:24] <haskellberry_pie> ok, so now it seems i need a keyboard to able to complete the raspberry install. im in raspi-config and cannot use the mouse...can i use my laptop keyboard somehow?
[18:25] <t3chguy> haskellberry_pie: if you have a USB to Serial adapter then sure
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[18:26] <TheLostAdmin> haskellberry_pie, you need a usb keyboard to interact with the installer/setup on the Pi during install.
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[18:28] <haskellberry_pie> ok, i see. annoying surprise.
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[18:31] <nid0> I don't believe that's correct, even the NOOBS-installed copy of raspbian should have sshd enabled by default
[18:31] <totalconfusion> I'm about to provide 3.3v to GPIO pin 4. could someone please asses my code and tell me if it's good to go?
[18:31] <totalconfusion> http://hastebin.com/zefacimolu.py
[18:31] <nid0> i've never installed raspbian via noobs but I can't imagine the foundation change the os itself
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[18:32] <nid0> in which case, you can happily run raspi-config via ssh
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[18:33] <TheLostAdmin> When I did my first run of raspbian, it needed the interactive installation to set-up hostname and passwords and networking so that SSH could start. Perhaps that has changed?
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[18:33] <haskellberry_pie> so if i got to raspi-config and shut off the raspberry pi here, then what happens? can i continue there the next time?
[18:33] <nid0> raspbian has never needed it. The very original squeeze debian install provided by the foundation didn't start sshd by default but raspbian has always used dhcp and started sshd
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[18:35] <totalconfusion> SSH is enabled by default I THINK
[18:35] <haskellberry_pie> so what do i do, just unplug the power, it will not cause any problems?
[18:35] <totalconfusion> it's just a way of remote communicating with your Pi
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[18:35] <IT_Sean> haskellberry_pie: SSH in and run raspi-config
[18:35] <totalconfusion> no, to SSH (secure shell)
[18:35] <IT_Sean> you can run raspi-config any time
[18:35] <nid0> haskellberry_pie: you should ideally shutdown the pi before pulling power
[18:35] <totalconfusion> you need your raspi powered on
[18:36] <totalconfusion> listen to IT_Sean he/she will provide information/links that you NEED to read
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[18:36] <totalconfusion> a lot of your questions will be answered
[18:36] <t3chguy> haskellberry_pie: pulling the power chances at damaging the software on your Pi
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[18:36] <t3chguy> (without halting that is)
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[18:37] <haskellberry_pie> but how do I shut it down? i cannot do anything now...
[18:37] <nid0> ssh to the pi
[18:37] <totalconfusion> t3chguy, is saying you need to use the terminal command "sudo shutdown -h"
[18:37] <t3chguy> haskellberry_pie: look at what nid0 and IT_Sean said
[18:38] <t3chguy> totalconfusion: or poweroff, or halt, or any command that shuts down your pi
[18:38] <t3chguy> just pulling the power can corrupt your OS and Data
[18:38] <haskellberry_pie> how do I SSH in, what is the login and how do i connect physically?
[18:39] <totalconfusion> yes indeed. however I think haskellberry_pie is in need of a simple tutorial which he would probably find on google
[18:39] <t3chguy> haskellberry_pie: a network, find its IP address, use SSH Client to that IP, pi:raspberry as credentials
[18:39] <totalconfusion> root is default user, toor or root is default password on raspbian
[18:40] <totalconfusion> honestly, google a tutorial on SSH'ing a raspberry pi
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[18:40] <t3chguy> all the raspbian installs I've lately tested use pi as the default user with password of raspberry..
[18:40] <totalconfusion> it'll be better that way
[18:40] <haskellberry_pie> t3chguy: but then you need to have it configured in the first place...? or can i jsut connct to the ethernet port and ssh even if i have only come to raspi-config?
[18:40] <t3chguy> You can just connect Ethernet in, provided your network uses DHCP haskellberry_pie
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[18:40] <totalconfusion> t3chguy, you're right default user is: pi and default password is: raspberry
[18:41] <t3chguy> totalconfusion: is toor really the default root password on raspbian xD?
[18:41] <t3chguy> Note, I don't use Raspbian
[18:41] <totalconfusion> t3chguy, no you're right, it's pi and raspberry as the password
[18:41] <totalconfusion> I think
[18:42] <t3chguy> oh I know that it definitely is those as defaults
[18:42] <nid0> the default access details for raspbian are pi:raspberry
[18:42] <t3chguy> raspi-config gives you the option to change the pi user's pass
[18:42] <nid0> the root user is and always has been disabled by default
[18:42] <haskellberry_pie> so what is the ssh address?
[18:42] <totalconfusion> but haskellberry_pie should read a tutorial on this, it'll be much better than IRC
[18:42] <t3chguy> haskellberry_pie: the Pi's IP Address as allocated by your router
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[18:42] <t3chguy> (or DHCP Server)
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[18:42] <WACOMalt> Hey folks. How does the "extend filesystem" option work?
[18:42] <haskellberry_pie> how do i find out what that IP is?
[18:42] <WACOMalt> with gparted I cant extend from the running partition
[18:43] <t3chguy> haskellberry_pie: use tools on a computer on the network to list devices on the network
[18:43] <IT_Sean> you will need to check your router / DNS server, haskellberry_pie
[18:43] <nid0> WACOMalt: it deletes the existing partition, recreates it, then on reboot will run resizefs
[18:43] <t3chguy> haskellberry_pie: or log into your router to find the IP allocations
[18:43] <Bilby> nid0++
[18:43] <nid0> WACOMalt: which you can also perfectly well do manually - nothing stopping you from deleting a running partition
[18:43] <Bilby> you can do it manually too if you'd like too
[18:43] <haskellberry_pie> if i connect ethernet from my computer to the raspberry, that wont work?
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[18:43] <WACOMalt> nid0, well I dont want to delete, just resize
[18:43] <nakasi> haskellberry_pie: you need a different cable for that.
[18:43] <nid0> well, you cant
[18:43] <nid0> you delete it then re-make it, bigger.
[18:44] <totalconfusion> haskellberry_pie, http://lmgtfy.com/?q=lmgtfy+ssh+raspberry+pi
[18:44] <t3chguy> haskellberry_pie: it would but you wouldn't know its auto-assign IP Address
[18:44] <WACOMalt> cant resize at all, or cant resize while running?
[18:44] <totalconfusion> haskellberry_pie, http://lmgtfy.com/?q=lmgtfy+ssh+raspberry+pi
[18:44] <totalconfusion> haskellberry_pie, http://lmgtfy.com/?q=lmgtfy+ssh+raspberry+pi
[18:44] <totalconfusion> haskellberry_pie, http://lmgtfy.com/?q=lmgtfy+ssh+raspberry+pi
[18:44] <totalconfusion> read for 5 mins
[18:44] <t3chguy> haskellberry_pie: if you install a DHCP Server on your Laptop then it would give the Pi an address and then it would work
[18:44] <totalconfusion> then come back
[18:44] <WACOMalt> woah. stop.
[18:44] <WACOMalt> Dont spam.
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[18:44] <totalconfusion> you think I'm flooding? look at haskellberry_pie
[18:44] <totalconfusion> guy needs to read
[18:45] <WACOMalt> well, I just got here.
[18:45] <WACOMalt> adding flood to flood doesnt help
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[18:45] <t3chguy> hmm
[18:45] <t3chguy> xD
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[18:45] <WACOMalt> anyways nid0 can I use gparted on a linux PC to resize?
[18:45] <WACOMalt> or is my only option starting over after delete/recreate?
[18:45] <nid0> you can, but why not just delete/recreate it?
[18:46] <nid0> for avoidance of doubt, doing so obviously does not delete any actual data.
[18:46] <WACOMalt> because there's stuff on it?...
[18:46] <WACOMalt> oh what
[18:46] <nid0> you're recreating the partition, not the filesystem or the data on it.
[18:46] <totalconfusion> sorry to seem like a jerk but it's a really simple thing, all information is provided within the first 3 hits on google
[18:46] <WACOMalt> nid0, ohhhhhh
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[18:46] <IT_Sean> totalconfusion: and it's fine for you to provide a link, however, people come here for help. If you want to help, help. Posting lmgtfy links is just being a jerk.
[18:47] <WACOMalt> so I'm not deleting the partition, but rather the table?
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[18:47] <WACOMalt> agreed IT_Sean
[18:47] <totalconfusion> haskellberry_pie, PM me if your having issues, but hit up google for 5mins before you do so
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[18:47] <nid0> also obviously, if you do do it manually be very careful to do it properly or you do risk data loss. if you use raspi-config to do so though it's perfectly safe as it'll get the right partition values automatically
[18:47] <totalconfusion> IT_Sean, my apologies I just felt the same question was being asked 5x times
[18:48] <WACOMalt> still doesnt warrant 5x response of a sarcastic link that is no better than saying "google it"
[18:48] <Bilby> WACOMalt, I've done it manually when i accidentally filled a small partition before installing raspi-config >_< it was pretty easy
[18:48] <WACOMalt> cool
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[18:48] <WACOMalt> So will I need to do this from the Pi, or from another system?
[18:48] <nid0> from the pi via command line
[18:49] <Bilby> WACOMalt, instructions here http://elinux.org/RPi_Easy_SD_Card_Setup#Manually_resizing_the_SD_card_partitions_.28Optional.29
[18:49] <IT_Sean> totalconfusion: there is no rule against asking the same question several times. If you haven't anything to say that adds to the conversation, keep silent.
[18:49] <WACOMalt> ok. I'll try to find info on how to do that. gparted wouldnt work
[18:49] <WACOMalt> oh thanks Bilby!
[18:49] <Bilby> Step by step and they work great :)
[18:49] <nid0> https://projects.drogon.net/raspberry-pi/initial-setup1/ is my go-to guide
[18:49] <totalconfusion> IT_Sean, fair enough
[18:50] <totalconfusion> in any case, haskellberry_pie if you need help SSH'ing into your pi give me a PM
[18:50] <totalconfusion> but I think you'll find your solution with a quick search
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[18:51] <t3chguy> xD
[18:51] <IT_Sean> aaaaaaaaaaaaand whoos are next contestant?
[18:51] <WACOMalt> Ok, so I'm at work. I'm using teamviewer to my home desktop to ssh into my pi to do this
[18:51] <WACOMalt> I feel like something is gonna break lol
[18:51] <t3chguy> IT_Sean: s/whoos are/who's our/
[18:51] <IT_Sean> that too
[18:53] <WACOMalt> Bilby, that link seems to just make a new data partition, OR resize on another PC
[18:53] <WACOMalt> I dont see the way to do it on the running pi, an actual resize
[18:54] <WACOMalt> I would use raspi-config if it were available on Ubuntu Mate
[18:54] <Bilby> Sorry, better link. I skimmed :| http://elinux.org/RPi_Resize_Flash_Partitions#Manually_resizing_the_SD_card_on_Raspberry_Pi
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[18:54] <WACOMalt> ah perfect!
[18:54] <WACOMalt> thank you mate
[18:55] <t3chguy> WACOMalt: its easy to download
[18:55] <WACOMalt> sudo apt-get install raspi-config doesnt do ti
[18:55] <WACOMalt> *it
[18:55] <t3chguy> from the git repo
[18:55] <WACOMalt> oohhh
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[18:56] <WACOMalt> I know how to do that. I'll just go that route
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[19:05] <WACOMalt> Bilby, on write of the partition table I get a warning in red: "Re-reading the partition table failed.: Device or resource busy"
[19:05] <WACOMalt> is that normal?
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[19:06] <Bilby> Hmm... i don't think
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[19:08] <WACOMalt> it DID say that it wrote the tablke
[19:08] <WACOMalt> so I finished up and I think it worked
[19:08] <Bilby> oh good
[19:08] <haskellberry_pie> ok so i managed to ssh in and configure and get raspbian to run. i then shut it down but the RED leds are still on, shouldnt they be turned off then? or they are on as long as power is on?
[19:08] <WACOMalt> oh derp it has the check free space command in the tutorial
[19:09] <WACOMalt> definitely worked. Thank you!
[19:09] <Bilby> haskellberry_pie the pi has no hard power capability, it just halts. you have to remove power manually
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[19:09] <haskellberry_pie> i see
[19:09] <Bilby> WACOMalt shweet, you're welcome
[19:09] <IT_Sean> yeah, once you halt it, you can pull powah. the red PWR LED will light any time pwoah is applied.
[19:10] <WACOMalt> https://github.com/asb/raspi-config is this the raspi-config I should be cloning?
[19:10] <Bilby> you gotta have da POWAH, McFly!
[19:11] <WACOMalt> +1
[19:11] <Bilby> looks likely, he's on the official raspi repo
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[19:12] <WACOMalt> What are some good, safe overclocking values for the Pi2 (I dont have a cooler on it, in a plastic case)
[19:13] <WACOMalt> just looking for a little boost on my synthesizer sound processing
[19:13] <WACOMalt> (until my soundcard gets here)
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[19:13] <WACOMalt> raspi-config has a bunch of options, once of which says Pi2
[19:14] <WACOMalt> is that the stock Pi2 frequency?
[19:14] <Bilby> I think everything in there should be valid for the Pi2
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[19:14] <WACOMalt> but will selecting "Pi2" which seems to be the highest preset, will that just be the current stock settings?
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[19:15] <atomi> anybody checkout the raspcloud thing https://github.com/JaredMHall/RaspberryCloud ?
[19:15] <WACOMalt> ah, Pi2 is default at 900MHz
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[19:15] <WACOMalt> this says 1000 so I guess it isnt stock
[19:15] <atomi> docs are sparse, I was looking into using it to backup my dropbox to a thumb drive on the rpi
[19:16] <Bilby> I have seen several setups using owncloud or similar
[19:16] <WACOMalt> I used to have owncloud and btsync installed on mine
[19:16] <atomi> yeah I got a dropbox and I love it
[19:16] <WACOMalt> worked well
[19:17] <Bilby> a little out of date WACOMalt but it still looks pretty good - check this - http://haydenjames.io/raspberry-pi-2-overclock/
[19:17] <WACOMalt> ok thats the same settings as this preset
[19:17] <WACOMalt> so I guess its good. Thanks
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[19:18] <WACOMalt> is opening a port all that's needed to be able to access ssh from outside my network?
[19:18] <WACOMalt> or is there more to it
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[19:20] <Bilby> technically that's all that is needed but i suggest setting up key authentication, disabling password authenticateion, and possibly changing the SSH port http://www.storelocatorplus.com/log-in-to-linux-using-ssh-keys/
[19:20] <WACOMalt> I've actually done all that already :)
[19:20] <WACOMalt> thanks
[19:22] <Bilby> Then you're good
[19:22] <Bilby> if your IP changes you might set up a dynamic DNS address or an IP change notification email or something
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[19:28] <traeak> dyndns.org is okay, there's some otherones i can't rmember :(
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[19:29] <nakasi> Turns out Pi works just fine only on active USB hub connected to one of its USB ports.
[19:30] <traeak> that's how i'm using it at the moment
[19:30] <traeak> i also have the rpi plugged into that hub as a power source
[19:31] <nakasi> Is it even safe? Isn't there like 10V at some point?
[19:33] <traeak> someone mentioned taht you ned to make sure the usb hub doesn't push voltage back
[19:33] <nakasi> It certainly does if it works just on an USB hub.
[19:33] <traeak> way to test that is to yank the power supply on the rpi and see if it still goes when plugged into the usb
[19:33] <traeak> with mine the usb hub doesn't push power back into the usb port
[19:35] <traeak> and no ther wouldn't be 10V
[19:35] <niston> hah
[19:35] <niston> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_BRv9wGf5pk
[19:35] <traeak> worst case it would pulll it down to the lowest voltage
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[19:35] <traeak> tat might heat up some resistors tho
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[20:07] <Apocx> If my power supply outputs 5V regulated, I should be OK powering the PI through its 5V/GND GPIO pins right?
[20:08] <shiftplusone> if you limit the current and take into account the loss in the leads, should be good enough.
[20:08] <WACOMalt> Is there a good solution existing already (as a kit or something) to allow the pi to turn on and off (safely shutting down) from a IR remote?
[20:09] <WACOMalt> nm, think I found it: http://www.msldigital.com/pages/more-information
[20:10] <Apocx> What do you mean the loss in the leads?
[20:11] <shiftplusone> sorry, I thought you were talking about a bench supply.... long day.
[20:11] <Apocx> Oh no, this is my power supply. http://www.mini-box.com/DCDC-USB
[20:11] <shiftplusone> Apocx: you'd be bypassing the fuse and moving further away from the TVS diodes
[20:12] <Bilby> Apocx yes it's fine. the only major difference between GPIO and USB power is you are bypassing the soft fuse in the USB connection
[20:12] <Apocx> alright. is there any information on the fuse, in case I wanted to add it to my custom PCB that will be supplying power from the powersupply?
[20:12] <Bilby> that's also wa-hay overkill... but overkill is always up to the individual ;)
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[20:13] <Apocx> I'm basically trying to make a PCB to connect the power supply to the Pi and other modules I'm using. To glue everything together basically. So I wanted to use the Pi's GPIO pins so I could just place it into a socket and not have to have a USB cable running to it
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[20:14] <Apocx> Just trying to determine if I should add some protection to the PCB to protect my Pi just in case
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[20:23] <Bilby> Apocx, if it's going to be a production unit, yes
[20:23] <Bilby> if it's giong to be a one-off... probably still yes
[20:24] <Apocx> Alright, I will look into it then
[20:24] <Apocx> thanks
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[20:43] <SpeakerToMeat> Hello
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[20:44] <SpeakerToMeat> I might be daft, but I can't find the download links for the raspbian image (or at the very least, noobs) for the pi 2
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[20:46] <SpeakerToMeat> Does it exist? somewhere?
[20:46] <nid0> https://www.raspberrypi.org/downloads/ ?
[20:47] <_jamesl> How can I reduce latency in my Raspi-controlled RC car setup? The car is so fast that the car crashes before a command can be sent to steer it.
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[20:47] <SpeakerToMeat> nid0: Are those images dual-system capable?
[20:47] <nid0> yes
[20:47] <SpeakerToMeat> Interesting...
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[20:48] <SpeakerToMeat> So all changes are in kernel only? and the kernel can support the hardware on both... this means the instruction set didn't change the least, only internal hardware on the soc changed, and there's modules for both... ok
[20:48] <SpeakerToMeat> thanks
[20:48] <SpeakerToMeat> I had the strange idea that some userland libraries would differ
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[20:50] <shiftplusone> SpeakerToMeat: there wasn't any measurable benefit to switching userland from armv6 to armv7
[20:50] <shiftplusone> NEON helps, but can be compiled in and detected at runtime
[20:50] <SpeakerToMeat> Really? hmm ok
[20:51] <SpeakerToMeat> What about kernel, I'm guessing it stayed at armv6 instruction level to be compatible with both.
[20:51] <SpeakerToMeat> does an armv7 kernel not produce any noticeable advantage?
[20:51] <shiftplusone> the image contains both kernels
[20:51] <shiftplusone> and the firmware knows which one to run
[20:52] <SpeakerToMeat> Ah. marvelous
[20:52] <SpeakerToMeat> interesting.
[20:52] <shiftplusone> but that wasn't done for performance reasons but because it's not a multi-platform kernel and just using the old one on the new hardware wouldn't work.
[20:52] <SpeakerToMeat> is this a hardcoded naming convention on the firmware... or is it an (I couldn't fanthom this) arch detection on the kernel binary?
[20:53] <shiftplusone> not sure what you mean
[20:53] <SpeakerToMeat> I'm wondering how the firmware gets what kernel to load
[20:54] <shiftplusone> by default the firmware will load kernel.img or kernel7.img, depending on the hardware it's running on (which it knows by checking the soc's revision)
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[20:54] <shiftplusone> you can change the kernel names in config.txt if you need to for whatever reason
[20:55] <SpeakerToMeat> I wonder, you mean the kernel differs because armv7 can't run armv6 system code?
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[20:56] <shiftplusone> it can
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[20:57] <shiftplusone> but you can't use the armv6 kernel for other reasons.
[20:57] <shiftplusone> for example, different hardware addresses
[20:57] <SpeakerToMeat> Ah of course
[20:57] <shiftplusone> though that would be taken care of in device tree, I guess.
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[20:57] <shiftplusone> I don't know exactly the the other kernel doesn't work, I just know it doens't.
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[21:01] <_jamesl> How can I reduce latency in my Raspi-controlled RC car setup? The car is so fast that the car crashes before a command can be sent to steer it.
[21:02] <traeak> what contributes to the latency?
[21:02] <_jamesl> I don't know
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[21:03] <SpeakerToMeat> That would be the place to start, diagnosing where the latency resides.
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[21:06] <_jamesl> It's not network latency, as when I execute the LIRC command on the terminal there is latency
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[21:11] <pksato> _jamesl: infrared remote control? It is not fast protocol.
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[21:12] <_jamesl> But when using the supplied remote it is responsive
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[21:15] <_jamesl> it is LEGO power functions
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[21:17] <pksato> RPi is not intended to real time application, like other computer boards for general propouse use.
[21:17] <pksato> hum, error on my sentence. :P
[21:18] <_jamesl> How do you think I could slow down the LEGO car?
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[21:19] <NullMoogleCable> someone should write more code for the Adafruit 16x2 RGB LCD so its less coding more plug and play
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[21:20] <Kamilion> # Kupo! is not a valid comment
[21:20] <NullMoogleCable> :p
[21:21] <pksato> _jamesl: that programing language is using?
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[21:21] <_jamesl> It is a Lighttpd cgi script wich contains a Python os.system command that executes LIRC's irsend command
[21:21] <NullMoogleCable> python
[21:22] <pksato> hummm... lots of delay...
[21:22] <pksato> wait...
[21:23] <pksato> RPi send IR to car?
[21:24] <_jamesl> Yes. IR led on gpio pin
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[21:24] <pksato> none todo to speed up.
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[21:25] <pksato> user interaction is from a web browser, right?
[21:26] <_jamesl> yes
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[21:26] <_jamesl> Is there an engineering channel?
[21:27] <_jamesl> I need to make my race car slower. It is the easiest solution
[21:27] <pksato> need a slow car.
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[21:28] <pksato> tcp/ip is a 'slow' protocol, http also is 'slow', cgi is slow too, call system also...
[21:28] <k_j> what's the best kit work with gpio's?
[21:29] <k_j> *to work
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[21:32] <mattrichardson> k_j I like the Monk Makes kit and the CamJam kits.
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[21:33] <mattrichardson> They're both BYOP (Bring Your Own Pi)
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[21:33] <k_j> what does that mean
[21:33] <k_j> in what sense ?
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[21:34] <mattrichardson> They contain components to experiment with GPIO, but don't contain Raspberry Pi, microSD card, power supply, KB, mouse.
[21:34] <WACOMalt> means they dont have a pi in them
[21:34] <WACOMalt> yeah that :P
[21:34] <mattrichardson> So if you have a Raspberry Pi running already, it's everything you need to experiment with GPIO.
[21:35] <WACOMalt> should be, yup
[21:35] <mattrichardson> Great for people who say, "I have a Raspberry Pi, what can I do with it?"
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[21:35] <mattrichardson> (I hear that a lot)
[21:35] <Kamilion> "what physical things can i do with it"
[21:35] <mattrichardson> Kamilion right
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[21:37] <Apocx> Companies that have one generic image for their hundreds of connector types annoy the hell out of me. I mean, I know it may not be feasible to have proper pictures for them all, but it sure would make finding the right connector a million times easier
[21:38] * Kamilion stares at digikey and mouser
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[21:38] <Apocx> Yep
[21:38] <Kamilion> [:::::::::]
[21:38] <Apocx> Along with Molex
[21:38] <Kamilion> yeah, I work at a warehouse, it bugs me too
[21:39] <Kamilion> I've been telling the boss he needs to buy a cheap lightbox and a 3 year old 16 megapixel digicam with good color reproduction
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[21:40] <Apocx> I mean I can kind of understand it for the warehouses, but the actual manufacturer of the connectors not having proper images, and making all the links to the specifications the same so you can't differntiate the connectors by anything other than their cryptic description is really dumb.
[21:41] <Apocx> I've narrowed it down to 15 products, just have to figure out which one will work
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[21:41] * plugwash generally finds the descriptions aren't too cryptic
[21:41] <Apocx> They are for me, but then again I'm a software guy
[21:42] <Apocx> PA Polyamide Nylon 6/6 94V-0, 0.76µm Gold (Au)
[21:42] <Apocx> Might as well be Russian or something
[21:42] <plugwash> those are the (largely) irrelevent parts
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[21:43] <plugwash> generally you don't care too much what plastic it's made out of and only marginally care about how thick the gold plating is
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[21:44] <plugwash> (note: it's perfectly normal for there to be a number of connectors that only differ in irrelevent ways)
[21:44] <Apocx> Yeah that's what I'm starting to get. So maybe any of these 15 will technically work
[21:45] <plugwash> you got a link to the list of connectors in question?
[21:45] <Apocx> Yeah but it's huge
[21:45] <Apocx> http://www.molex.com/molex/products/listview.jsp?query=&offset=0&filter=&fs=application%3Awire-to-board&npp=20&sType=z&autoNav=4&path=f47%7C%7C4d696e692d466974204a722ee284a2~~f13%7C%7C34~~f36%7C%7C526967687420416e676c65~~cPCBHEADERS%23%230%23%23m~~nf35%7C%7C32&channel=Products&key=wire_to_board_connectors
[21:46] <Apocx> To mate with the connectors on this: www.mini-box.com/DCDC-USB
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[21:48] <plugwash> hmm, you seem to have linked me to a page of sockets
[21:48] <plugwash> and the board you link also seems to come with sockets
[21:49] <Apocx> oh sorry, you're right
[21:49] <Apocx> it mates with the cable that plugs into the sockets on that board
[21:49] <Apocx> so it also needs sockets
[21:49] <Apocx> 4 pin Mini-Fit Jr
[21:49] <Apocx> http://resources.mini-box.com/online/PWR-DCDC-USB/moreimages/DCDC-USB-b2.jpg
[21:50] <Apocx> Will be connecting to the yellow/black cable
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[21:52] <Apocx> I've got my prototype working with wires, just trying to slim it down and convert it to a PCB style layout
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[21:55] <plugwash> I think all of those connectors are "right" in the sense that they will mate with the connector on your cable
[21:56] <Apocx> Yeah. Though some of them appear to have mounting pegs/flanges which would get in the way for what I currently need
[21:56] <Apocx> I think this one will work though: http://www.molex.com/molex/products/datasheet.jsp?part=active/0874270402_PCB_HEADERS.xml
[21:56] <Kamilion> oh
[21:56] <Kamilion> wait
[21:57] <Kamilion> you want connectors for the dcdc-usb?
[21:57] <Apocx> Yessir
[21:57] <Kamilion> minibox carries those molex connectors.
[21:57] <Apocx> Oh wow
[21:57] <Kamilion> I got a BUNCH of them with their 'y adapter' kit
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[21:57] <Apocx> I thought I looked on their site already but I'll check again
[21:57] <Kamilion> http://www.mini-box.com/Y-PWR-Hot-Swap-Load-Sharing-Controller
[21:57] <Kamilion> oh, hey, they're not on the site anymore
[21:58] <Kamilion> well, I stopped by their HQ and they had a bunch -- call them.
[21:58] <Apocx> Alright
[21:58] <Apocx> Thanks
[21:58] <Kamilion> you can at least get the right part number out of them
[21:58] <plugwash> <Apocx> I think this one will work though: http://www.molex.com/molex/products/datasheet.jsp?part=active/0874270402_PCB_HEADERS.xml <-- looks fine to me
[21:58] <Kamilion> or if you really need them, I literally have a box of the damned things
[21:58] <k_j> mattrichardson, monk makes seems more professional...?
[21:58] <Apocx> If that falls through I'll just order the ones on Molex from digikey or something
[21:58] <Apocx> true
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[21:59] <Kamilion> the DCDCUSB with the 4 pin molex, not the DCDCUSB200, with the 8 pin molex, right?
[21:59] <Apocx> correct
[21:59] <Apocx> alright thanks plugwash
[21:59] <Kamilion> yeah, I used to work extensively with the dcdcusbs back around 2010 when i was doing robotics at nasa
[22:00] <Apocx> oh yeah? don't suppose you ever had any issues with the OFFDELAY timer not working did ya
[22:00] <Kamilion> in what application?
[22:00] <Kamilion> automotive, or general?
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[22:00] <mattrichardson> k_j Do you mean the who the kits are targeted at, or the actual kit seems to be of more professional quality?
[22:00] <Apocx> I contacted their support about it but haven't heard back. It always sends the signal after 5 seconds, even when set to 30min
[22:00] <Apocx> automotive
[22:00] <k_j> mattrichardson, quality
[22:00] <Apocx> tried using jumpers and the software, never changes from 5s
[22:00] <k_j> mattrichardson, are they good for rpi2?
[22:00] <Kamilion> Uh, how old is the unit?
[22:00] <Kamilion> new or a couple years?
[22:01] <Apocx> I just bought it
[22:01] <Kamilion> okay, should have the recent firmware on it then
[22:01] <Kamilion> did you try to move to the advanced scripted mode?
[22:01] <Apocx> yeah I need to check firmware, will do it when I get home
[22:01] <Apocx> was going to try that next yeah
[22:01] <Kamilion> that's where I ended up using it mostly
[22:01] <Apocx> was hoping just setting it to automotive and 30min/1min with the jumpers would work, requires the least amount of work
[22:01] <Kamilion> since I was dealing with robotics, i didn't have an engine charging the battery
[22:01] <mattrichardson> k_j I have both in front of me here. Both are very good quality. I like the tin on the CamJam Kit, but I like the instruction cards in the Monk Makes kit.
[22:02] <Kamilion> and it doesn't act as an ACPI fuel gauge
[22:02] <Apocx> in the future we'll be having to setup a lot of these
[22:02] <Apocx> ah
[22:02] <Kamilion> I ended up controlling it with python
[22:02] <Kamilion> left startup up to the dcdcusb's firmware
[22:02] <Kamilion> but I controlled shutdown directly
[22:03] <Kamilion> you can get the ignition state via the USB connector
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[22:03] <Apocx> was trying to avoid having to connect to it via USB for the final product
[22:03] <Kamilion> I just tied a simple missleswitch to it, and got some of the small anderson panel-mount connectors
[22:03] <Kamilion> yeah, it's especally annoying due to the USB mini cable
[22:04] <Kamilion> mini's gotten a lot harder to find
[22:04] <Apocx> It works perfectly right now, the converter shutsdown the Pi when ignition is off, and starts it back up when ignition comes back on. It's just not the right length of time
[22:04] <Apocx> hopefully support will have some answers for me
[22:04] <Apocx> I'll toy around with scripting mode in the meantime
[22:05] <Kamilion> just keep in mind, a pi will wear it's SD card out over time
[22:05] <Kamilion> make sure it has some way to sync it's config and data somewhere else periodiclly
[22:05] <k_j> mattrichardson, is the rpi2 supported?
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[22:05] <Kamilion> a rootfs is easy to replace, but a field-running config file is not ;)
[22:06] <Kamilion> Apocx: anyway, iTuner's right here in the bay area with me, I think they were in Fremont or something like that.
[22:07] <Kamilion> I've gone down to their place for will call once or twice
[22:07] <Apocx> cool
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[22:07] <Apocx> yeah I've been thinking about the SD card issue
[22:07] <Kamilion> IF you can get a hold of them, they're nice folks and their support is pretty good
[22:07] <mattrichardson> k_j: Since they're made of basic components, they'll really work with any Pi really.
[22:07] <Apocx> honestly I'd love to just use a Pi Compute module but that may be beyond my hardware expertise to get running on a PCB
[22:07] <Apocx> since that has eMMC
[22:08] <Kamilion> you've got other options too.
[22:08] <Kamilion> you're on a pi2 B+ platform?
[22:08] <Apocx> yeah
[22:09] <Kamilion> http://www.amazon.com/SanDisk-Ultra-Low-Profile-Flash-SDCZ43-032G-G46/dp/B00LLER2CS/
[22:09] <Kamilion> So, these say USB 3.0, but they're actually one of the few USB sticks that still work at USB 1.1.
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[22:09] <mattrichardson> k_j: And here's some kits that are made around the resources on our site: http://www.pcsforme.com/collections/resource-packs These kits are sold by a teen in Texas.
[22:10] <Kamilion> you still need a SDCard to boot from
[22:10] <Kamilion> but these little sandisks have wear leveling to a degree the SDs do not
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[22:11] <Kamilion> don't bother with anything other than the 32GB for ~$12, the 16GB at $10 and the 8GB at $8 isn't worth the price difference, nor is the $35 64gb.
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[22:11] <Sander^home> Do anyone know how to work grafically on a raspberry pi from another pc via the browser? vnc or something?
[22:11] <Apocx> hm, I'll give it a try. I'm a bit worried that it may draw too much power though. the Pi will already be powering a wifi and bluteooth adapter, not sure it will have enough juice for this too. and I want to avoid having to include a powered usb hub
[22:11] <Kamilion> the browser, specifically?
[22:11] <Kamilion> VNC normally uses a client, Sander^home
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[22:12] <Kamilion> ah, major power concerns, then the USB2.0 model has a lower power usage, one moment
[22:12] <Kamilion> http://www.amazon.com/SanDisk-Cruzer-Low-Profile-Drive--SDCZ33-032G-B35/dp/B00812F7O8/
[22:12] <Kamilion> the $19.99 64GB might be a better deal
[22:12] <Kamilion> but the 32GB's the same $12.
[22:13] <Sander^home> Kamilion: I was thinking to place a raspberry pi on my desk.. and use my regular pc to get access to a linux enviroment.
[22:13] <Kamilion> these tell the USB bus they're 100ma devices
[22:13] <Kamilion> the USB 3.0 models negotiate the 500mA full-power draw mode
[22:13] <Sander^home> Kamilion: does it exist an alternative protocol to vnc.. which works in any browser?
[22:13] <Kamilion> but not EHCI-900ma high-power mode
[22:14] <Kamilion> Sander^home: yeah, chrome remote desktop, an extension/applet for chrome.
[22:14] <Kamilion> you'll have to add the browser to your pi's autorun
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[22:14] <Kamilion> so the chrome remote desktop client can hit google's central server to register
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[22:14] <Kamilion> but it's the only browser-based solution I know of that works *well*.
[22:15] <Kamilion> there are others, such as VNC clients written in html5 and java, and other IPKVM clients
[22:15] <Kamilion> Personally though, I use x2go
[22:15] <Apocx> Sander^home are you against using something like PuTTy to SSH into it?
[22:15] <Kamilion> http://wiki.x2go.org/doku.php
[22:15] <Kamilion> it requires a client on windows
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[22:16] <Kamilion> but they do have arm7 debs in their repo that work on the pi2
[22:16] <Sander^home> Kamilion: whats the best vnc client written in html5?
[22:16] <Apocx> and thanks Kamilion, I'll look into making the Pi use a flash drive like that
[22:16] <Kamilion> the one embedded inside virtualbox's web gui, Sander^home
[22:17] <Kamilion> Apocx: it's important -- it MUST be real, genuine sandisk. Accept no imitations.
[22:17] <Sander^home> Apocx: I want to do that aswell.. But I also want to use grafical apps.
[22:17] <Apocx> I wonder if I can't then make the SD card readonly so it doesn't somehow corrupt itself overtime? If it only has a boot sector it should be OK, but still
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[22:17] <Kamilion> Apocx: yeah, that's easy, just don't put the rootfs on it.
[22:17] <Apocx> gotcha
[22:17] <Apocx> and yeah I've always been a fan of SanDisk
[22:17] <Kamilion> format it fat, put the kernel and config on there, tell the kernel you want to use a partition on the USB for the rootfs.
[22:18] <Apocx> alright I'll try that out
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[22:19] <Apocx> ordered two of them, should be here tomorrow
[22:19] <Apocx> I love Amazon
[22:19] <Kamilion> If you're using an initrd, I'd suggest telling it you want to mount by label, and label the rootfs partition
[22:19] <Kamilion> http://puu.sh/jEXWX/f3f082611a.jpg
[22:20] <Kamilion> Sander^home: here's my connection over to my remote computer on my desktop.
[22:20] <Kamilion> it connects over SSH
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[22:21] <Kamilion> Apocx: also, you can see here how I have my system set up with the sandisks: http://puu.sh/jEY4x/742834373a.jpg
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[22:21] <Kamilion> if you go with btrfs like I did, it's important to get as large of a card as feasible (currently the 32GBs)
[22:21] <Apocx> cool thanks
[22:22] <Kamilion> btrfs stores EVERYTHING in 1GB blocks
[22:22] <Kamilion> and then inside those blocks is all your real data in tree structures
[22:22] <Kamilion> I've had to recover files from btrfs a couple times now in the last 3-4 years, gotten everything back every time
[22:23] <Kamilion> havn't seen an recovery issue for at least a year either
[22:23] <Kamilion> except when i actually had a disk of a set die
[22:23] <Sander^home> Kamilion: I want to use a chromebox for connecting to the pi
[22:23] <Kamilion> and when i told it to 'replace' the disk, it actually spent about three hours emptying everything it could read off the failing drive first.
[22:23] <Sander^home> and it will be locally.. so very fast connection.
[22:24] <Kamilion> after dealing with LVM2 recovery for 10 years, it was like 'wow, wait, I don't have to do anything? it's just fixing itself?"
[22:24] <Apocx> hehe
[22:24] <Karlton> I have been using btrfs on 16GB SSD for over a year now
[22:24] <Kamilion> I feel it's design makes it a pretty solid choice.
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[22:25] <Kamilion> the whole idea of the 1GB "sector size" just tickles me
[22:26] <Kamilion> when you think about it it just makes the whole concept of storage easier when everything is a 1GB box to fill
[22:26] <Kamilion> with N number of gigabytes on as many storage devices as you can add.
[22:26] <Kamilion> now, what I will warn people about
[22:26] <Apocx> yeah. says it can handle tens of thousands of very small files efficiently, so that's a plus. Coming from Windows, which doesn't
[22:27] <Kamilion> doing multidevice on btrfs is still where the ouchies are
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[22:27] <Kamilion> for single-device, it's been rock solid for me.
[22:27] <Sander^home> Kamilion: so the requirement is that it works under html5.. in chrome
[22:27] <Kamilion> Sander^home: yeah, and I know of nothing html5 outside of the client that virtualbox has in it's webui for html5
[22:27] <Karlton> I had a disk go read only before, otherwise btrfs has been stable for me
[22:27] <Kamilion> almost all of the other VNC clients I know of are java .jars
[22:28] <Kamilion> they'll RUN from a browser
[22:28] <Kamilion> but it's... *shudder*
[22:28] <Kamilion> non-optimal solution to say the least. VNC is probably not the way to go. And you'll waste tons of CPU on the pi trying to encode into VNC anyway
[22:29] <Kamilion> and you'll lose all the useful hardware video decoding and overlay support of the pi's GPU
[22:29] <Sander^home> Kamilion: is there some other procotol which might fit the pi?
[22:29] <Kamilion> x2go.
[22:30] <Kamilion> you can see it in the screenshots I was just posting.
[22:30] <Kamilion> http://wiki.x2go.org/doku.php
[22:30] <Kamilion> And yes, it can be installed on the chromebook's debian root.
[22:30] <Karlton> $10 keyboard is the way to go
[22:30] <Sander^home> I want to avoid clients
[22:30] <Kamilion> it's not really a client unless you're on windows
[22:31] <Kamilion> it's a set of X libraries that do protocol compression and round-trip reduction.
[22:31] <Kamilion> on osx or linux, you need to do connection setup
[22:31] <Kamilion> on windows, you need the client
[22:31] <Sander^home> Its abit fishy to install it on a chromebook's debian root.
[22:32] <Kamilion> because the client comes with .exes for pulseaudio, xming from straightrunning.org, cups for printing, and a couple other things
[22:32] <Kamilion> since windows lacks all that
[22:32] <Kamilion> the chromebook already has pulseaudio and an xserver
[22:32] <Kamilion> so you just need the scripts that do connection setup over SSH
[22:32] <Kamilion> and obviously, the couple of X libraries
[22:32] <Sander^home> Ah!
[22:33] <Kamilion> btw, for those that don't know, chromebook is not android
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[22:33] <Kamilion> it's just plain ol' debian hacked up like rasbian for the chromeos hardware. It's just a normal xserver and pulseaudio
[22:33] <Kamilion> oh
[22:33] <Kamilion> wait
[22:33] <Sander^home> where is instructions on how to set that up?
[22:33] <Kamilion> hold on, I remember something
[22:33] <Karlton> chromeOS is Gentoo
[22:33] <Kamilion> my friend was just telling me the new chromeos images don't use X at all anymore
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[22:34] <DMackey> Dang it!! I missed that PiDrive kickstarter!! https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/2073955313/pidrive-low-power-msata-ssd-for-the-raspberry-pi
[22:34] <Kamilion> Sander^home: anyway, chromeremotedesktop is your best bet for doing it on a chromebook
[22:34] <Kamilion> https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/chrome-remote-desktop/gbchcmhmhahfdphkhkmpfmihenigjmpp?hl=en
[22:34] <Kamilion> it WILL work and continue to work for a long time
[22:35] <Karlton> Or remove ChromeOS and put a useful operating system on it :D
[22:35] <Kamilion> most people do that, yeah. Like lubuntu.
[22:35] <Kamilion> if you've got a USB stick handy, you can fire my build up.
[22:35] <Kamilion> https://github.com/kamilion/kamikazi-deploy
[22:35] <Kamilion> no touchy internal flash.
[22:36] <Karlton> You can even flash the coreboot BIOS, though if it is intel it will require firmware blobs
[22:36] <Kamilion> there's no need, Karlton, it has seabios now
[22:36] <Kamilion> it just needs to be poked correctly
[22:36] <Kamilion> (on the c720s at least)
[22:37] <Karlton> its Google custom version though
[22:37] <Kamilion> still can boot grub
[22:37] <Kamilion> and grub will take care of the rest
[22:37] <Karlton> or boot the kernel using coreboot :D
[22:37] <Karlton> no need for grub then
[22:37] <Kamilion> I've seen people put hackintosh firmware on them and run OSX
[22:38] <Kamilion> no clue how to do that myself, I'm not a mac person
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[22:38] <Kamilion> eh, I use grub for a lot of stuff, Karlton. the copy I use is from intel, from their BITS suite.
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[22:39] <Kamilion> http://biosbits.org/
[22:39] <Kamilion> they stuffed python 2.7 inside grub2.
[22:39] <Karlton> Intel has it's own copy of Grub?
[22:39] <Karlton> eww, why would you want that?
[22:39] <Kamilion> patchsets on top of it, yes.
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[22:40] <Kamilion> so they could stop writing one-off C programs to test EFI and BIOS modules.
[22:40] <Karlton> is it free?
[22:40] <Kamilion> https://lwn.net/Articles/641244/
[22:40] <Kamilion> sure is.
[22:41] <Kamilion> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bYQ_lq5dcvM
[22:41] <Kamilion> there's the pycon 2015 talk from april about it.
[22:41] <Kamilion> very nice demo too.
[22:41] <Kamilion> (all done from grub2 in qemu leveraging the EFI graphics modes)
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[22:41] <Sander^home> I know its possible to make a plain html5 server side client for managing a desktop.. Is there any spesific channel I should be asking about this in? :-)
[22:42] <Sander^home> Kamilion: ?
[22:42] <Kamilion> https://kanaka.github.io/noVNC/
[22:42] <Sander^home> I dont want to use chrome remote desktop.
[22:42] <Kamilion> http://guac-dev.org/
[22:42] <Sander^home> As its pretty strange pieace of software
[22:42] <Kamilion> http://sourceforge.net/projects/thinvnc/
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[22:43] <Kamilion> first three results for "html5 vnc" on google.
[22:43] <Sander^home> Cool:)
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[22:43] <Berg> good morning digital entities
[22:43] <Kamilion> http://kanaka.github.io/noVNC/noVNC/vnc.html
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[22:43] <Kamilion> apparently that IS the client.
[22:44] <Kamilion> https://github.com/kanaka/noVNC
[22:44] <chod> chrome vnc durty
[22:44] <Kamilion> I already expressed that, much more elequently.
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[22:47] <Berg> why do we need it?
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[22:57] <Sander^home> Kamilion: This repository is currently offline
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[22:58] <Kamilion> yeah, github looks like they're having issues right now
[22:58] <Kamilion> https://status.github.com/
[22:59] <Berg> someone with a pi made it crash?
[22:59] <Sander^home> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KXJJUfRD3Xg <-- guacamole client vs. vnc client
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[23:00] <chainsaw42> that looks amazing...not working right now though?
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[23:02] <Kamilion> Apocx: http://www.digikey.com/product-search/en?mpart=76650-0075&vendor=23
[23:03] <Kamilion> http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/0039012040/WM3701-ND/61376
[23:03] <Berg> Curses!
[23:03] <Berg> This video can’t be played with your current setup.
[23:03] <Kamilion> http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/0039000039/WM2501-ND/61448
[23:04] <Berg> seems like it dont like linux
[23:04] <Kamilion> Apocx: that should be the molex female Mini-Fit Jr and female pins for it
[23:04] <Berg> http://guac-dev.org/
[23:04] <Apocx> nice, thanks!
[23:04] <Kamilion> http://resources.mini-box.com/online/PWR-DCDC-USB/PWR-DCDC-USB-manual.pdf <--- last page of the manual, just under PCB size.
[23:05] <Kamilion> Berg: yeah, vimeo is probably still flash based, I'd bet
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[23:05] <Berg> it dont like my version of flash
[23:06] <Berg> i allowed it to play
[23:06] <Kamilion> Berg: Sander^home was asking about using a chromebook to VNC to a pi.
[23:06] <Apocx> Yeah I knew it was a Mini-fit Jr 4pin connector already. Just had a hard time finding it on Molex's site
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[23:06] <Berg> i just followed the links from the youtube vid
[23:07] <Berg> i have my pi on vnc
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[23:24] <Sander^home> berg: cool. Which type of vnc?
[23:24] <Berg> tightvnc
[23:25] <Berg> its some tiomes slow but i blame my wifi
[23:25] <Sander^home> Do you need plugins?
[23:25] <Sander^home> on the client side
[23:25] <Berg> plugiuns for what?
[23:25] <Berg> i instaled the tightvnc client on my home desktop and tightvnc server on my pi
[23:26] <Sander^home> As I have chromeos, which is basicly just a browser os.
[23:26] <Berg> this is on your PI?
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[23:28] <The_Borg> I am on my PI here with vnc = From my tesktop PC = Berg
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[23:29] <Sander^home> No. I want to use my chromeos to connect to my pi
[23:30] <Berg> what is running on your pi VNC?
[23:31] <Berg> I spose using a plug in is good i had to use some configuing commands to make tightvcn-client work good i also have a link on my desktop for it
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[23:42] <altos> https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=3537
[23:42] <altos> Any new info to this topic?
[23:42] <altos> I want to use the Pi to emulate a keyboard
[23:42] <altos> for another maschine
[23:43] <altos> -s
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