#raspberrypi IRC Log

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IRC Log for 2015-08-21

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[0:35] <Berg> the silence is deafening
[0:35] <Berg> hello world
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[0:43] <mumixam> pksato: i got my pi working it was the sd card after all
[0:43] <mumixam> not sure why cause that same sd card worked fine years ago
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[1:23] <Netham45> The RPi should be fine from ~-10F to ~120F, right?
[1:24] <[Saint]> can someone with a raspi of any non-2 variety please run "time ssh-keygen -t rsa -b 8192 -C "$(whoami)@$(hostname)-$(date)"" for me and give me the time it prints?
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[1:24] <[Saint]> For some reason, ssh key generation is taking a _fooooooolishly_ long time.
[1:25] <[Saint]> I know that key has a fairly large bit-strength, but still, it shouldn't take as long as it odes on my raspis.
[1:25] <[Saint]> *does
[1:27] <[Saint]> Even the old armv6 android hardware I have laying around that is reasonably equivalently specced can knock that command out in ~90s
[1:27] <[Saint]> Whereas on the raspi it is taking anywhere between 10 and 15 minutes for me, with a variety of different cards and root-on-USB combinations.
[1:28] <[Saint]> using HW rng doesn't seem to yield any positive (nor negative for that matter) results either.
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[1:53] <The_Borg> [Saint]: taking a while
[1:54] <The_Borg> ooo non - 2
[1:54] <The_Borg> i got a 2
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[2:04] <[Saint]> The_Borg: I expect it will take somewhere in the order of 11 minutes +/- 2 minutes
[2:04] <[Saint]> Also, thank you very much for trying this for me.
[2:05] <[Saint]> I realize the pi is rather underpowered, but the length of time taken to generate a key here seems extremely disproportionate
[2:05] <Berg> hmm
[2:06] <Berg> interesting experiment
[2:06] <Berg> here its real 6m58.073s
[2:06] <Berg> user 0m41.522s
[2:06] <Berg> sys 0m0.063s
[2:06] <[Saint]> pi model one or two?
[2:06] <Berg> on my dual core 3.2ghz
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[2:06] <[Saint]> Ah.
[2:06] <Berg> still doing the pi
[2:06] <[Saint]> I see.
[2:07] <Berg> i re-ran the pi i had a program running at same time so i do it by itself
[2:07] <Berg> its running now
[2:07] <[Saint]> The oldest Android hardware I could find with a fairly equivalent SoC and a really terrible NAND knocked it out of the park in just over 90s
[2:07] <[Saint]> I expect HW rng made a substantial difference in that case
[2:08] <Berg> sure i lett it run till done
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[2:09] <Berg> thats fast
[2:09] <[Saint]> for some reason ssh-keygen appears to be just plain murder for a raspi if you have a key length of anything higher than 1024 bits. But even 1024 bits takes a disproportionate amount of time.
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[2:09] <Berg> interesting
[2:10] <Berg> i was suprised it took so long on my desktop too
[2:10] <[Saint]> My server does the 8192b example keygen in 22s and my other server does it in 14s
[2:10] <[Saint]> My desktop is somewhere in the order of 30s
[2:11] <Berg> strange
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[2:11] <Berg> real 0m36.344s
[2:11] <Berg> user 0m32.690s
[2:11] <Berg> sys 0m0.069s
[2:11] <Berg> there thats my desktop
[2:12] <Berg> i thought it would print it out by self
[2:12] <Berg> \it dint
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[2:12] <The_Borg> real 6m59.580s
[2:12] <The_Borg> user 6m23.590s
[2:12] <The_Borg> sys 0m0.010s
[2:12] <The_Borg> my pi2
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[2:13] <[Saint]> even that's a substantial amount of time. I wondered how a pi2 would do.
[2:13] <The_Borg> not AS LONG AS YOU SUGGESTED
[2:13] <The_Borg> this is a pi2
[2:13] <The_Borg> ill re run it?
[2:13] <[Saint]> Well, in all fairness I did specifically ask for non-2 variants, but, yeah.
[2:13] <The_Borg> i said that
[2:13] <[Saint]> The length of time for the pi 2 is extremely disproportionate to the task as well.
[2:14] <The_Borg> yes
[2:14] <[Saint]> Interesting stuff.
[2:14] <[Saint]> I wonder why the pi(s) are so fundamentally terrible at this?
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[2:14] <The_Borg> i will talk to friend about that too iot is interesting and my pi 2 was running on average at 55%
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[2:15] <[Saint]> Roughly equivalent Qualcomm SoCs of around the same spec seem to have very little problem with this, even with faces with hilariously bad NAND tech and silly FTLs that make reading and writing just as painful as the pi if not more so.
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[2:16] <[Saint]> I had a myriad of old Android ARMv6 hardware lying around to test this out on.
[2:16] <[Saint]> Gave some surprising results in some cases.
[2:16] <The_Borg> its interesting that it should run so much faster
[2:17] <The_Borg> anyway back to my program programming
[2:17] <[Saint]> I first noticed this a while back on one of my pis and I thought it was a bad sdcard, or perhaps that I was running at the default 700MHz.
[2:17] <The_Borg> mines set at 800
[2:17] <[Saint]> But now I'm running the pi overvolted and overclocked to 1.1GHz, with root on USB, and it's still dog slow.
[2:17] <The_Borg> that can be considered too
[2:18] <[Saint]> So that kinda threw that theory out of the window.
[2:18] <[Saint]> Thank you very much for poking at this for me guys.
[2:18] <[Saint]> The_Borg: Berg.
[2:18] <The_Borg> i think it might cook at 1.1
[2:18] <The_Borg> yes
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[2:18] <[Saint]> Appreciated.
[2:18] <The_Borg> same me
[2:19] <[Saint]> Ah. I see. Ahyhoo - thanks.
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[2:19] <The_Borg> 'berg and the borg is me
[2:19] <The_Borg> welcome
[2:19] <[Saint]> You should use a distributed IRC client. SO you can be the same you across multiple platforms and clients.
[2:19] <[Saint]> I use quassel IRC>
[2:19] <The_Borg> i have 2 pi2 runing here now one is faxed to my solar array
[2:20] <[Saint]> http://quassel-irc.org/
[2:20] <[Saint]> In fact, that's what I use my pi for.
[2:20] <[Saint]> A quassel-core server
[2:20] <The_Borg> i have private channels that need to be private so i need 2 names they all reg to my account
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[2:21] <The_Borg> ima_bot the_borg berg and dingo_bob
[2:21] <The_Borg> all me
[2:21] <[Saint]> quassel has identities, so that you can do exactly that. Stack up different nicks across different servers and different channel combinations.
[2:21] <The_Borg> :)
[2:21] <The_Borg> i do it now
[2:21] <[Saint]> It's well worth a look.
[2:21] <The_Borg> <---crazy
[2:22] <The_Borg> i need to work out how to make my rpi2 make coffee
[2:22] <The_Borg> and bring it to me
[2:22] <[Saint]> I switched to distributed IRC a few years ago and haven't looked back.
[2:22] <The_Borg> i have not so good connection
[2:22] <[Saint]> A single point of contact for all my logs is great, and the ability to trivially have an 'always-on' irc connection.
[2:23] <The_Borg> 'you been doss yet?
[2:23] <The_Borg> ddos
[2:23] <The_Borg> script kiddies?
[2:24] <[Saint]> I've had various people /try/, but my detection and mitigation techniques do me just fine.
[2:24] <The_Borg> cool
[2:24] <[Saint]> I've only had my network actually brought down by a crushing outside force once.
[2:24] <The_Borg> some times other irc god down
[2:25] <The_Borg> was a while back it took me 2 days to get on irc
[2:25] <[Saint]> And from that I learned how to deal with it a lot better.
[2:25] <[Saint]> These days my home networks are set up like a fortress.
[2:26] <[Saint]> Vastly more secure and agile than many corporate networks I've worked with, lol.
[2:26] <The_Borg> yeah i find that the scan irc does knocks my isp for a row and it reconnects
[2:26] <[Saint]> ouch.
[2:26] <The_Borg> if i block the scan i cant get on irc
[2:26] <[Saint]> pipe everything through and https tunnel.
[2:26] <The_Borg> its ok im sued to it
[2:26] <[Saint]> *an
[2:26] <The_Borg> used
[2:26] <The_Borg> an or A
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[2:27] <The_Borg> ITS FUNNY IRC IS LOOKING FOR BOOGY MANS THAT DONT LIVE HERE
[2:28] <Karlton> why not just use irssi in a session manager like abduco or screen?
[2:28] <The_Borg> cause im not that clever?
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[2:29] <Karlton> then you could just ssh in and type abduco -a irssi or whatever you use
[2:30] <[Saint]> or, quassel, which is infinitely more practical.
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[2:31] <[Saint]> if you really want to scratch your irssi itch, just use quassel-irssi and screen.
[2:31] <The_Borg> its not itchy
[2:31] <The_Borg> not realy
[2:31] <The_Borg> i have flea powder
[2:33] <[Saint]> quassel is multi-user, supports SSL, has identities, has all the modern IRC features you'd expect it to, is database driven and has support for multiple backends, etc. and so on.
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[2:33] <[Saint]> All the functionality of a ZNC and more with the bonus of not being a giant bag of crap.
[2:33] <The_Borg> the polite way is say "Bloated"\
[2:34] <The_Borg> hehehe
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[2:36] <Karlton> its more practical than just running multiple irssi clients by using terminal multiplexing?
[2:37] <[Saint]> Infinitely.
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[2:38] <[Saint]> If for nothing but two reasons alone:
[2:38] <[Saint]> 1 - resources
[2:38] <[Saint]> 2 - database access driven
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[2:39] <[Saint]> I highly suggest checking it out Karlton
[2:40] <[Saint]> If you are using IRC a lot, from multiple machines/points, it is of great value.
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[2:40] <[Saint]> Setup is trivial also.
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[2:56] <Karlton> Is kms-vc4 the right branch for the lastest work in the vc4 driver by Eric Anholt?
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[2:58] <milk_base> wow, #chan is really getting out of hand
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[3:20] <Berg> i hate it when that happens
[3:21] <Berg> just got a dilvery of 2 analog voltage meters
[3:21] <Berg> i feel so old school now
[3:21] <Berg> so so old school
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[3:27] <CoJaBo> Is there any way to figure out what the voltage input range is for a device (phone) that runs of a standard lithium battery?
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[3:33] <CoJaBo> (trying to figure out what I can use to power it since the battery is shot)
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[3:38] <Berg> get the specs or pdf file on the unit
[3:39] <Berg> what machine is it CoJaBo
[3:40] <CoJaBo> It's a Droid... something, I can't find the model number on it
[3:40] <CoJaBo> Think it's a Droid 4, tho I'm not sure
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[3:59] <tjcarter> huh, weechat 1.3 depends on a libc6 that is not available.
[3:59] <tjcarter> and I see a new sonic-pi
[4:00] <tjcarter> Does that mean it's time to move to jessie? :)
[4:00] <Berg> http://www.abc.net.au/reslib/201508/r1464013_21364127.jpg
[4:00] <Berg> la la la
[4:00] <Berg> the answer is on the back side of the moon
[4:00] <tjcarter> a2cloud doesn't support jessie yet or I'd already be using it :)
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[4:46] <joephilly> hi
[4:47] <joephilly> trying to set up webcam. the "motion" app kinda works but I want to be able to actually see the images in chrome
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[6:25] <CoJaBo> ..I don't suppose there's a way to disable the low-battery check is there?
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[6:26] <Xark> CoJaBo: Charge it? :)
[6:26] <CoJaBo> ..gah, wrong channel even lol
[6:27] <CoJaBo> But can't, the USB port is shorted
[6:27] <CoJaBo> I can charge the battery thru the terminals, but it still thinks its dead (possibly because the battery is also shot >_>)
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[7:37] <mortdeus> does anybody know if the power supply included in this bundle deal is the same one sold in the raspberry pi swag store? http://www.alliedelec.com/raspberry-pi-raspberry-pi-2-basic-kit/70544669/
[7:39] <CoJaBo> ..does it matter?
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[7:44] <mortdeus> CoJaBo, Yes, lol.
[7:44] <CoJaBo> ?
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[7:53] <mortdeus> CoJaBo, I am currently torn between two approaches to buying my first raspberry pi. On the one hand I want to satisfy my collector's desire for nostalgia; while on the other hand I am tempted to buy a way cheaper super kit like, http://www.ebay.com/itm/281530597589
[7:54] <CoJaBo> mortdeus: Thats... way cheap for that many parts
[7:55] <mortdeus> however the superkit is a bunch of 3rd party accessories and components. I am sure they work fine, but they aren't official and the nostalgia factor is lost.
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[7:56] <CoJaBo> I'm guessing they have to be of EXTREMELY poor quality to hit that pricepoint :/
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[7:57] <CoJaBo> Even so, its still probably not a bad deal
[7:57] <CoJaBo> Assuming it actually does come with all that stuff lol
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[7:58] <mortdeus> Not necessarily. Its probably just electronics the top vendors couldn't sell and ended up selling to small time vendors wholesale.
[7:59] <Apocx> so I have a usb device that works on a powered hub but not straight from the Pi, even though I set max_current_usb=1 in boot/config.txt and the Pi has a power supply that provides 5V at up to 10A
[7:59] <Apocx> makes no sense D:
[8:00] <CoJaBo> ..unless it's displaying the wrong price for me; what is it really?
[8:00] <CoJaBo> Just noticed, it gives $50 for all 3 kits
[8:00] <mortdeus> my point is that, ultimately if I were to buy a pi through allied electronics. I would want to insure that what I am buying isn't a 3rd party compenent.
[8:00] <CoJaBo> ..why?
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[8:04] <mortdeus> Because if I buy components the raspberry pi foundation endorses I can feel a bit more confident that the parts will be of reasonably decent quality and well tested reports on how well they work with raspberry pi.
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[8:05] <CoJaBo> There's a wiki that lists stuff that's been tested
[8:06] <mortdeus> plus I want to support the actual raspberry pi foundation.
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[8:11] <mortdeus> if I buy a component that is manufactured by some 3rd party manufacturer, the money isn't going to the raspberry pi foundation, its going to somebody else. My overall point is that if I am going to buy that bundle from allied electronics, I want the official branded components because if I am going to be paying more for less, I want to insure that my more is going to directly promote raspberry pi's continual success.
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[8:20] <CoJaBo> mortdeus: ..don't they accept donations or something?
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[9:39] <The_Borg> :)
[9:40] <The_Borg> I buy from official raspberry pi agents listed on the pi web site
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[9:43] <Armand> Hurrah! \o/
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[9:46] <The_Borg> dont clap just throw money
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[11:48] <SyncYourDogmas> Hey peeps
[11:49] <SyncYourDogmas> How does the upstream downstream power and data flow in USB hubs?
[11:49] <SyncYourDogmas> Does it just vary?
[11:50] <SyncYourDogmas> As in which ports input or output data say
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[11:52] <SyncYourDogmas> Must be only one upstream port
[11:52] <SyncYourDogmas> Like a tree config?
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[12:04] <jubalh> anyone not running raspbian on the pi?
[12:05] <jubalh> wondering which one, if so
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[12:21] <at0m|c> jubalh: most of #raspbian is, i assume.
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[12:23] <at0m|c> jubalh: anyway, ask your real question.
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[12:26] <jubalh> it is my reasl question
[12:26] <jubalh> looking for alternatives and the experiences people have with it
[12:26] <jubalh> maybe looking for plan9 users
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[12:27] <jubalh> also i thought i am in #raspberrypi not #raspbian
[12:27] <at0m|c> you are.
[12:27] <jubalh> good, then i think it's a totally valid question to ask
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[12:48] <nid0> although it's splitting hairs, my pis generally run minibian
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[12:59] <at0m|c> 2 more replies and we can make official stats
[13:00] <DoctorD90> ? at0m|c what do you mean?
[13:00] <at0m|c> that it the original question doesn't make any sense.
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[13:01] <jubalh> *sigh*
[13:01] <jubalh> whatever dude
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[13:01] <jubalh> nid0: thanks for answering :)
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[13:02] <nid0> at0m|c: how does the question possibly not make sense? it's vague and broad, but I don't see what's unclear about it.
[13:02] <nid0> its your answer that doesn't make sense
[13:02] <at0m|c> nid0: /msg dpkg bad polls
[13:03] <at0m|c> that's #debian factoids.
[13:05] <jubalh> which makes it a law by god
[13:06] <jubalh> there are more and more people who dont want to help, but who want to be right. if for them a something doesnt make sense or doesnt matter they invest hours in crushing it.
[13:07] <jubalh> if one can help its nice to do it. if not, one could do other things.
[13:07] <at0m|c> jubalh: throw in your own use case. post your considerations pro and contra, you'll get more sensible answers
[13:07] <DoctorD90> who make iso of raspbian?
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[13:08] <at0m|c> DoctorD90: they're .img's, actually, not .iso's.
[13:08] <jubalh> at0m|c: i dont have a use case. i have a vague idea in my head, which after some time thinking about it still doesnt become clear. its hard for me to express it so i was asking a broad question to trigger me into what i am looking for.
[13:09] <at0m|c> jubalh: try expressing, and us.
[13:10] <at0m|c> luckily, we can't read inside your head
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[13:10] <jubalh> and then, also i was looking at alternative operating systems last week. at plan9 some unices, old amiga ones etc. on wikipedia i saw that plan9 runs on the raspberry, so i was looking for people who run it. and (since the wiki ould be incomplete) for others
[13:11] <jubalh> so i thnk my question was pretty much what i wanted to know
[13:12] <DoctorD90> at0m|c: yes, sorry, my error. Who makes img of raspbian? :)
[13:12] <nid0> it's maintained by the foundation
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[13:14] <DoctorD90> eh, nid0 it's ok, but it will be one person that crates img? :) i was asking if that guy is here :)
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[13:15] <at0m|c> DoctorD90: ask what you need to know. maybe he'll read it, maybe others know.
[13:15] <DoctorD90> i would create my own img for rpi :P
[13:16] <at0m|c> based on?
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[13:19] <at0m|c> every day someone asks "howdo write my own OS for pi". but i'm guessing you're not starting from raw kernel.org and github source code?
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[13:22] <jubalh> funtoo :)
[13:22] <at0m|c> i'm guessing people who can compile from source don't go on irc "howto create .img"
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[13:26] <DoctorD90> at0m|c: starting from scratch, do you mean really start from compiling kernel itself....lol ...to start, just to learn the "steps" im using debootstrap, and then installing linux kernel from apt. I would base os on debian :)
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[13:27] <at0m|c> DoctorD90: hence my asking.
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[13:28] <DoctorD90> ehm..stupid barrier language...may i ask you the question? :P please
[13:28] <at0m|c> don't ask to ask.
[13:29] <DoctorD90> what is your question? :)
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[13:38] <jubalh> okay now i see that this channel has a problem with questions :)
[13:40] <at0m|c> start here: http://mywiki.wooledge.org/NetEtiquette#Just_ask_the_question
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[13:41] <jubalh> in my case thats even what i did, and i still had to hear annoying stuff about it
[13:42] <jubalh> its not like i am new to IRC and asking smart questions stuff
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[14:59] <hinv> does anyone here do swap over NFS?
[14:59] <Bilby> hinv, like bootloader on the SD and everything else over the network?
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[15:00] <hinv> no, I'm thinking of just swap and shared files over nfs
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[15:00] <hinv> 1GB is just too small for a lot of apps
[15:00] <Bilby> ah
[15:01] <hinv> thinking of setting up a server with 16GB and gigabit to serve some pi's and C1's with memory
[15:01] <hinv> but I don't know if you can serve a ramdisk as swap
[15:01] <pksato> swap is not to get more memory.
[15:01] <hinv> anybody done this?
[15:01] <hinv> pksato, virtual memory
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[15:02] <pksato> on today system, all memory is virtual.
[15:03] <hinv> anybody served swap over nfs or similar from ram of the server?
[15:03] <Encrypt> <hinv> 1GB is just too small for a lot of apps // (<.<)
[15:03] <pksato> and, 1GB is lots of memory to system like raspberry pi.
[15:03] <Encrypt> Which kind of apps? (>.>)
[15:03] <hinv> Encrypt, compiling
[15:04] <Encrypt> Ah
[15:04] <hinv> Encrypt, when you get all four cores going, they can suck memory
[15:04] <hinv> also web browsing....with a lot of tabs open, firefox regularly uses over 4GB
[15:05] * Bilby wonders the wisdom of building a server with 16gb of ram to assist a $35 computer
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[15:06] <pksato> hinv: You know that swap slow down processing speed?
[15:07] <Encrypt> Bilby, +1
[15:07] <hinv> pksato, of course
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[15:07] <Encrypt> Anyway, a Raspberry Pi isn't a desktop PC :p
[15:07] <hinv> I am swapping now to SDcard....very slow
[15:08] <hinv> with the C1, I can get over 40MB/sec swapping, and not wear out the flash
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[15:10] <pksato> you get more speed that NFS if use network block device like iscsi or AoE.
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[15:11] <Bilby> hinv have you tried moving the OS and swap to a decent USB thumb drive?
[15:12] <hinv> Bilby, no, I haven't. Got suggestions?
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[15:13] <hinv> Bilby, but eMMC on the C1 is probably faster than a thumb drive can do
[15:13] <hinv> but it is flash also
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[15:13] <hinv> swapping on flash is just not a good long term strategy
[15:14] <Bilby> well, yes, but the architecture and design of the C1 is different than the pi
[15:14] <Bilby> eh
[15:14] <Bilby> how long term is long term, to you?
[15:14] <hinv> 10 years
[15:15] <hinv> even 5 years would be difficult for swap on flash no?
[15:15] <Bilby> You expect a RasPi - or any computer - to run a decade without fail?
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[15:16] <hinv> Bilby, I still sell parts for 20 year old SGI's that run flight simulators for United Airlines & NASA
[15:16] <Bilby> Sure. And when those were new, they were the cost of a nice caddilac
[15:17] <hinv> Bilby, what kind of life expectancy in cycles can you expect out of microSD or eMMC?
[15:17] <Bilby> every test and review i have seen indicated you're not likely to wear out a microsd or any other solid state device before you throw it out
[15:17] <hinv> Bilby yes, they were....SGI Indigo Elan's
[15:17] <Bilby> will that be a problem for collectors in years to come? possibly
[15:18] <Bilby> but for everyday use, it's not something you're likely to notice, i think
[15:18] <hinv> Bilby, I got the impression that the cycles for flash was a lot lower and that is why a lot of companies still use spinning disk on servers
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[15:25] <Bilby> WELL
[15:25] <Bilby> after that little trip through BSOD-land
[15:26] <Bilby> hinv - the only reason i use mechanical disks for anything is cost / gig
[15:26] <Bilby> granted, a proper SSD is significantly different than a cheapo thumb drive or SD card, but even those have been very reliable for me
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[15:29] <mgottschlag> hinv: afaics, new servers are usually either pure SSD-based, or use NAS systems with a lot of SSD cache :)
[15:29] <mgottschlag> (at least in larger setups)
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[15:30] <Bilby> Most one-off servers I spec or build have at minimum SSD for OS and software, and then a few mechanical drives for storage
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[15:31] <Bilby> some will even do a larger SSD section for 'hot' data, like a scaled-up hybrid drive
[15:32] <hinv> I have had 2 SSD's and 3 flash drives used as boot drives fail in the last 2 years
[15:32] <nid0> our current spec servers at work use 4x1TB SSD's each
[15:33] <nid0> the generation before that use 6x500GB SSD's
[15:33] <hinv> nid0, that sound's expensive
[15:33] <nid0> before that we used 15k SCSI disks in a san
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[15:35] <Bilby> SSD is only expensive compared to consumer disks... it's almost at parity with commercial gear now XD
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[15:35] <Bilby> hinv, odd. Any commonality you could find?
[15:36] <nid0> SSD prices have fallen a lot, depending on your workload though if you need performance they can be cheaper simply by virtue of using less disks
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[15:37] <Bilby> They're also 2.5" which means you may be able to cram more in a given U of space
[15:37] <nid0> a 5-disk raid5 array of ssd's will typically perform vastly better than say an 8-disk array of raid 10 spinning iron
[15:37] <hinv> Bilby the thumb drives were all corsair 8GB, my corsair 16GB is much more reliable
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[15:37] <hinv> the SSD's were samsung & kensington
[15:38] <hinv> I think
[15:38] <nid0> kensington, or kingston?
[15:38] <Armand> Kingston..
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[15:39] <Bilby> becauuse one of those is a laptop lock...
[15:39] <Armand> Kensington make accessories.
[15:39] <Armand> Inc. locks. :)
[15:39] <Bilby> well, they don't call it a kensington port for nothing ;)
[15:39] <nid0> that was my point, because if he's got a kensington ssd / thumbdrive it's probably some wierd far-eastern knock-off
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[15:39] <Armand> haha
[15:39] <Bilby> zero minutes down, 10 hours to go
[15:40] <Armand> 2hrs, 20 minutes to go! \o/
[15:40] <nid0> we don't tend to have any major problems with samsung ssd's though, we've got dozens of 840 500GB and 850 1TB samsung disks
[15:41] <nid0> we had a couple of DOA 840 disks in a relatively small batch a couple of years ago but other than those haven't yet had a significant fail rate
[15:42] <Armand> We tend to use a lot of Samsung Enterprise & Intel SSDs.
[15:43] <Bilby> I havea 'cheap' server I just built for a client that is using WD reds, i kinda have my fingers crossed
[15:43] <Armand> We did stock some Crucials, but they didn't last.
[15:43] <t3chguy> I use an 850 EVO, the Software companion for it doesn't recognise Windows 10 as newer than Windows 7 so a lot of functionality is missing :L
[15:43] <Armand> Yikes
[15:43] <nid0> Reds are reliable in nas's, but they are slow
[15:43] <Bilby> but mostly I just use EVOs or crucial's better line
[15:43] <nid0> most of our backup servers these days use red's
[15:43] <Bilby> hmm... maybe i'm not thinking reds then, whatever their SSD line is lol
[15:43] <Bilby> yeah I haev reds floatign around all the time, mostly jammed in diskstations and the like
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[15:45] <nid0> if they're ssd's are you sure they're WD?
[15:45] <nid0> might they be hybrids?
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[15:46] <Bilby> I mean, not 100% sure, it's been a while XD
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[15:46] <Bilby> no, they were straight SSDs. it had 2x SSD, 2x mechanical drives
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[15:46] <Bilby> now you have me looking up the invoice lol
[15:46] <nid0> not gonna be WD then :p
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[15:53] <Bilby> oh they were transcend drives because tehy were cheap lol
[15:53] <Bilby> https://www.cdwg.com/shop/products/Transcend-SSD340-solid-state-drive-64-GB-SATA-6Gb-s/3245994.aspx?cm_mmc=email-_-SPS_Order_Confirm-_-Body-_-Browse_Products
[15:53] <Bilby> no wait, those weren't for the server...
[15:55] <Bilby> aha, sandisks https://www.cdwg.com/shop/products/SanDisk-SSD-solid-state-drive-128-GB-SATA-6Gb-s/2753570.aspx?cm_mmc=email-_-SPS_Order_Confirm-_-Body-_-Browse_Products
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[16:03] <hinv> ok, back to my original question
[16:04] <hinv> has anybody here served swap via ramdisk?
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[16:41] <Apocx> Anyone know a cheap powered usb hub circuit board, similar to this NZXT board (http://www.amazon.com/NZXT-IU01-Internal-Expansion-Black/dp/B0031ESKJA/) but more generic? I worry about supply with the NZXT, not sure they are really being made anymore
[16:43] <Bilby> that's nifty and i've never seen it before lol
[16:43] <Bilby> i've always just gutted regular hubs
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[16:44] <Apocx> yeah trying to find something that is already bare do reduce the manual labor required for each device, as we're a very small company and would need to be producing at least a hundred
[16:44] <Apocx> I have no desire to manually open a hundred USB hubs :P
[16:45] <Apocx> we also need usb headers which most hubs don't have
[16:45] <Bilby> hah! i get that
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[16:49] <hosler> soo i got wayland+i3(sway) setup and ive noticed through the whole process that i never told wayland what video card i use. should i do that somewhere?
[16:49] <hosler> or is that now part of the compositor?
[16:49] <SpeedEvil> http://www.aliexpress.com/item/Free-shipping-1pcs-USB-HUB-module-USB-USB2-0-Hub-Expansion-Extension-Module-For-DIY/32272289080.html?
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[16:50] <SpeedEvil> http://www.aliexpress.com/item/10-pcs-lot-Usb-splitter-doesthis-four-module-computer-usb-hub-splitter-interface-usb-hub-expansion/1951736495.html
[16:50] <SpeedEvil> lots of variants
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[16:51] <Apocx> those aren't powered though are they?
[16:52] <Apocx> there are a lot of unpowered ones I found but I can't find many powered ones
[16:53] <Apocx> looking for a board that has at least one usb header, two usb ports, and has a 2 pin molex or similar for power.
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[16:54] <t3chguy> Apocx: adding a Molex cable on flying wires isn't exactly difficult
[16:55] <Apocx> trying to reduce labor, so sticking with off the shelf cables and accessories
[16:55] <t3chguy> and snipping VCC on the USB to Host port
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[17:06] <Fjorgynn> hello
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[17:14] <Fjorgynn> bought my first rpi2 today
[17:15] <ShorTie> Cool
[17:15] <shiftplusone> Cool, what do you plan to use it for?
[17:15] <ShorTie> now what ??\
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[17:18] <Fjorgynn> shiftplusone: openelec I think
[17:18] <shiftplusone> sounds good
[17:18] <Fjorgynn> at work we actually have a raspberry pi with raspbian and rdesktop to windows server
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[17:19] <Fjorgynn> if this sdformatter software only can prompt me for admin
[17:19] <Fjorgynn> there it goes
[17:19] <Fjorgynn> downloading noobs now
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[17:21] <Apocx> Pretty sure the answer is no, but does the Pi GPIO support USB?
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[17:25] <Bilby> Apocx, correct, no support through GPIO
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[17:25] <Bilby> For 100pcs I'd go through aliexpress or the like
[17:25] <Apocx> Never used aliexpress before, are they pretty reliable?
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[17:26] <Bilby> it's just a marketplace for chinese manufacturers to sell to western markets
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[17:27] <shiftplusone> pretty much ebay with less consumer protection
[17:27] <Apocx> gotcha
[17:28] <Bilby> i figure it's about the same, but aliexpress is better for bulk orders
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[17:31] <Bilby> $4.34 each, not bad http://www.aliexpress.com/item/Usb-splitter-doesthis-four-module-computer-usb-hub-splitter-interface-usb-hub-expansion-board-10-pcs/1951746461.html
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[18:51] <shiftplusone> welcome
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[18:54] <tiblock> I have very noobish question. I know only basics of electronics and i understand that you can transfer data by enabling and disabling voltage. So i have quiestion. What is maximal voltage you can output on that GPIO pins? And can you control exact voltage you want?
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[18:54] <IT_Sean> tiblock: GPIO pins on the Pi operate at 3.3v
[18:55] <tiblock> IT_Sean, so i can turn them to 0.0v or 3.3v?
[18:57] <shiftplusone> tiblock: It's 3.3v CMOS. Some background reading for you: www.allaboutcircuits.com/textbook/digital/chpt-3/logic-signal-voltage-levels/
[18:57] <IT_Sean> basically. A pin in output mode can be a gnd, or 3.3v (representing a logical 0 or 1, respectivly)
[18:57] <IT_Sean> that's overly simpligied, but, basically, yeah.
[18:57] <shiftplusone> (the chapter is about 5v logic, so keep in mind that the actual voltage levels are different, but it will help you understand that's actually happening)
[18:57] <shiftplusone> (don't connect 5v to pi's gpio)
[18:57] <IT_Sean> ^ THAT
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[18:58] <IT_Sean> 5v on a Pi gpio = toasted pi.
[18:58] <shiftplusone> or slowly roasted, if you stick a high value resistor in there
[18:58] <IT_Sean> (or, at the very least, killing that pin)
[18:58] <IT_Sean> baked Pi, shiftplusone?
[18:58] <IT_Sean> :p
[18:58] <shiftplusone> heh
[18:59] <IT_Sean> we've seen our share of those in here.
[18:59] <tiblock> IT_Sean, oh, another question. Can you read 0 or 1 from pins? Or only output works? And if you can read, what is maximal voltage you can send to pin before everything will burn?
[18:59] <IT_Sean> A GPIO pin can either output, or read. ONLY apply 3.3v.
[18:59] <tiblock> oh wait, i see answer. Thank you.
[18:59] <IT_Sean> DO NOT APPLY ANY VOLTAGE OTHER THAN 0 OR 3.3
[19:00] <IT_Sean> (technically, anything between 0 and 3.3 is safe, but that's getting into a whole pile of other stuff)
[19:01] <tiblock> okay, i got it, with my zero experience in electronics i will never touch any GPIO pins ever
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[19:01] <IT_Sean> That's not what I said, tiblock...
[19:01] <Tenchworks> lol
[19:01] <tiblock> but i'm pretty sure i will kill it in first hour
[19:01] <IT_Sean> also... at $35, a replacement Pi isn't exactly irreplacable. So, if you nuke it, lesson learned.
[19:01] <tiblock> i have no idea how schematics and things done
[19:02] <Tenchworks> have to learn one way or another, there's risk in generally most things you learn
[19:04] <Apocx> it helps to build simple circuits and whatnot beforehand. get to the point where you can reliably make circuits with LEDs without blowing up the LEDs at least :)
[19:04] <Apocx> LEDs are cheap and abundant
[19:04] <tiblock> IT_Sean, just for the record. Average salary in my country is $289 so... $35 ($59 here) fro Pi is not little money
[19:04] <tiblock> *for Pi
[19:05] <IT_Sean> wow. Sorry.
[19:05] <shiftplusone> Check your privilege, Sean.
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[19:06] * IT_Sean checks it
[19:06] <IT_Sean> Yup! still there.
[19:06] <shiftplusone> good
[19:06] <tiblock> i just saying that i will better not experiment with pins
[19:06] <tiblock> thank you for answers, guys
[19:06] <IT_Sean> shiftplusone: are there any hats that provide some kinda "idiot-proof" (no offense anyone) protection for GPIO, without compromising functionality?
[19:07] <shiftplusone> not technically HATs, but I am sure there are some which buffer the IO
[19:07] <Apocx> honestly he'd probably be ok if he just made sure to use 2xAA batteries. that'd never blow up the GPIO
[19:07] <IT_Sean> by "hat" i just ment "thingie which goes on the whaddacallits"
[19:07] <shiftplusone> thinking of piface
[19:08] <IT_Sean> ah.
[19:08] <IT_Sean> I wasn't sure. I tend to be of the "if it blows up, replace it and don't do that again" camp. Then again, I can afford to have that attitude (and i've only killed one so far).
[19:09] <Apocx> I'm more of a "check and double check everything with a multimeter" guy, but multimeters aren't but so cheap
[19:09] <shiftplusone> HATs are a bit different from general waddacallits because the kernel is aware of what they are. For example, the Sense HAT doesn't require much extra fiddling because the kernel knows which modules it needs to load to support it.
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[19:09] <IT_Sean> the cheapest multimeter I own costs a lot more than a new Pi, so...
[19:10] <IT_Sean> shiftplusone: I didn't realise I was using a term that actually meant something specific.
[19:10] <Apocx> yeah which for him would be pretty expensive
[19:10] <IT_Sean> Yes.
[19:11] <IT_Sean> I think the cheapest multimeter I own cost be about $160. So... that's about 4 Pis, with change left over.
[19:12] <Apocx> you can get multimeters pretty cheap actually, $30 or so. but the quality is crap
[19:12] <IT_Sean> I mean, i do check stuff, but, if there is any risk of something going bang, i'd rather explode a pi than the meter.
[19:12] <IT_Sean> Apocx: I used to have a cheap ($15) meter. It went bang.
[19:12] <IT_Sean> Damn chinese-made peice of crap
[19:12] <Apocx> I don't work with anything over 12V so nothing would destroy my meter, just my pi
[19:13] <IT_Sean> I don't use any HV stuff with the Pi, but, I routinely work on HV DC systems, and mains voltage.
[19:13] <Apocx> yikes. I hate messing with mains
[19:13] <IT_Sean> it's perfectly safe, just TOLO.
[19:13] * shiftplusone is a proud owner of a fancy Fluke multimeter bestowed upon him by EEVBlog's Dave Jones himself. =D
[19:13] <IT_Sean> OOOOOOH!
[19:13] * IT_Sean is a subscriber to the EEVBlog youtube channel
[19:14] <Apocx> I don't know who that is, but I'll assume he's someone important and go OOOOOOH as well
[19:14] <Apocx> OOOOOOOH
[19:14] * IT_Sean rolls his eyes
[19:14] <Apocx> :P
[19:14] <shiftplusone> And it has used by the folks around Pi Towers too now, so it's extra special. XD
[19:14] <Apocx> his channel looks cool though, will watch some of his vids
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[19:15] <shiftplusone> You'll need to tune your ears to the right frequency range, but once you do, it's a treasure trove of information.
[19:15] <IT_Sean> also, be prepared for a silly accent.
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[19:15] <shiftplusone> Hey.... the accent is fine
[19:15] <IT_Sean> mebbe to you it is.
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[19:16] <IT_Sean> to anyone that doesn't dwell on Earth's bottom, it takes some getting used to :p
[19:16] <Apocx> I don't mind the new zealand accent
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[19:16] <Apocx> or australian, whichever
[19:16] <Apocx> they're all the same anyway :D
[19:16] <IT_Sean> Apocx: Never, ever, say that in NZ or Aus.
[19:17] <IT_Sean> :p
[19:17] <shiftplusone> NZ!? You watch your filthy mouth, Apocx!
[19:17] <Apocx> haha I figured.
[19:17] <Apocx> hence the smiley
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[19:20] <IT_Sean> Apocx: working with mains isn't all that scary. You want scary? I've got a 10kv transformer stored away in my garage.
[19:20] <Apocx> yikes
[19:20] <IT_Sean> 's great for blowing up equipment with
[19:20] <Apocx> ha no doubt
[19:22] <IT_Sean> it's a dusty old NST. Handy when you need something to go *BANG*
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[19:23] <Apocx> hehe
[19:24] <Apocx> man I'd kill for a Raspberry Pi with a USB header and eMMC. And they should throw in VIN/GND pins that are power protected while they're at it. With built-in Wifi and bluetooth as well.
[19:25] <Apocx> That would be the perfect device
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[19:25] <IT_Sean> Apocx: and it's cost ten times as much
[19:25] <Apocx> They could do it for $100 or so
[19:25] <Apocx> I'd pay it
[19:25] <jer> not 10x, but 5 ~ 8x sure
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[19:26] <Apocx> There are some ~$100 boards that have those things, but their support is absolute shit
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[19:26] <IT_Sean> meh... $100 is getting closer to the "i really don't want to blow this up" price point, whereas at ~$30, i'm more willign to expariment
[19:26] <IT_Sean> Apocx: please mind your language -- the channel language policy is linked in the topic
[19:26] <Apocx> whoops sorry
[19:26] <Apocx> As soon as I said it I was wondering if that was against the rules
[19:27] <Apocx> :x
[19:27] <shiftplusone> IT_Sean - Willing to experiment for $30
[19:27] <IT_Sean> shiftplusone: HUSH
[19:27] <shiftplusone> =(
[19:27] <Apocx> Hey the channel rules link is broken
[19:28] <Apocx> both tiny.cc links are
[19:28] * IT_Sean fires up his star-trek style transporter, runs: Transport -beam IF=/dev/jar_of_insects OF=shiftplusone's underpants
[19:28] <shiftplusone> yay for bad URL shortening services
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[19:28] <IT_Sean> I really don't feel like fixing them now
[19:28] <Apocx> maybe goo.gl would work better
[19:28] <Apocx> not sure if they have a time limit
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[19:29] <Apocx> nope they don't
[19:29] <IT_Sean> next time i'm in google apps i'll get updated links.
[19:29] <Apocx> ok :)
[19:30] <IT_Sean> for now: the rules basically boil down to A) no swearing and B) don't be a jerk
[19:30] <Apocx> gotcha
[19:30] <shiftplusone> *unless it's aimed at IT_Sean in private.
[19:30] <Apocx> I'm just a little bitter about some recent experiences with chinese SoC boards
[19:30] <Apocx> I'm looking at you Radxa Rock Pro
[19:30] <shiftplusone> Apocx: what's wrong with it?
[19:31] <IT_Sean> Whun Hung Lo electronics are usually crap.
[19:31] <IT_Sean> .. in the best of cases
[19:31] <IT_Sean> I've ahd a few Whun Hung Lo devices actually catch fire.
[19:31] <Apocx> their linux kernel is version 3.0, I need version 3.4, they have no version other than 3.0 that supports NAND flash, which is partly the reason I went with it in the first place. and the community support is pretty bad
[19:31] <shiftplusone> wow
[19:32] <shiftplusone> That's almost as bad as us still being on wheezy =P
[19:32] <shiftplusone> (I'm working on it, I swear)
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[19:32] <IT_Sean> I had a cheap chinese power inverter in my truck. Apparently it's failure mode (despite having a fuse) was to burst into flames. Took it apart... the fuse holder in the bottom was just for show... wasn't electrically even connected.
[19:32] <Apocx> yeah. at least the Raspbian distro already supported LE910 devices out of the box
[19:32] <Apocx> which I am very thankful for
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[19:32] <Apocx> the fact that the Rock Pro can't means we can't use it
[19:33] <IT_Sean> thankfully my truck doesn't have carpet innit, and i could just toss the flaming inverter out the window
[19:33] <Apocx> wow
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[19:34] <IT_Sean> the fuse was, literally, connected to nothing. It was purely for show. It was just plastic-welded into the case.
[19:34] <Apocx> ha\
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[19:34] <IT_Sean> Drivin along, chargin up my laptop, and WHOOSH. FIRE!
[19:35] <Apocx> it's a ploy by the chinese, to whittle away at other countries by giving them sabotaged electronics :P
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[19:35] <IT_Sean> You'd think so.
[19:35] <Apocx> one comustible truck at a time
[19:35] <Apocx> combustible*
[19:36] <IT_Sean> well, thank goodness i'd torn the carpet out. Bare metal floors are relativly flame resistant.
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[19:39] <Apocx> true
[19:40] <Bilby> Hmm
[19:41] <Bilby> anyone in here played with the Pi and RS-232 protocol devices?
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[19:43] <Apocx> yep
[19:43] <Apocx> I just use USB converter cables though
[19:43] <Fjorgynn> I am in love
[19:44] <Apocx> with what?
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[19:44] <Fjorgynn> my first Raspberry pi 2 I bought today
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[19:44] <Apocx> yeah it's pretty awesome
[19:44] <tiblock> Fjorgynn, i bought my first yesterday
[19:44] <Apocx> just wish it had a usb header
[19:45] <Fjorgynn> tiblock: :D
[19:45] <Fjorgynn> now I am playing with openelec and it works (almost) great
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[19:45] <tiblock> and i try to configure overscan
[19:46] <Fjorgynn> hehe
[19:47] <madprog> Hi! I'm having some trouble with OpenGL ES 2.0 and PyOpenGL when trying to call glGenVertexArrays. PyOpenGL is trying to check the version of OpenGL ('OpenGL ES 2.0'), but it thinks the first word should be a version number 'x.y'. Did anyone encounter and solve this bug?
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[19:49] <Fjorgynn> :(
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[19:57] <Naphatul> how much do your sdcards last with rootfs on them? what services are you running?
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[20:06] <Bilby> Ugh, the problem with this is i can't guarantee I can make it work until i get a unit to play with, and doing so takes a ~$700 outlay :/
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[20:08] <nid0> although it's not at all what you're actually doing, one of my pi's serves in a capacity as a controller for my yamaha receiver although it does so using yamaha's network api rather than rs-232
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[20:09] <Bilby> nice... the receiver i'm looking at for this client has network as well as serial but for what I want I think serial may be easier
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[20:12] <Bilby> Originally I was thinking ESP8266 to a RasPi, but that may be more complex than I need for just a couple of buttons
[20:13] <shiftplusone> Naphatul: haven't had any fail yet. Not running them 24/7 though, only for testing. My 'work' pi has its rootfs on an external HDD.
[20:16] <nid0> Naphatul: as long as your card isn't awful, realistically you're going to be throwing away your pi and replacing it with a quantum AI computer before the SD card fails from too many writes
[20:17] <shiftplusone> non-awful sd cards: http://swag.raspberrypi.org/products/noobs-8gb-sd-card
[20:18] <nid0> Bilby: no idea what your use-case is but if your Denon receiver does have a network api that would generally be simpler, surely?
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[20:20] <Naphatul> nid0: i was thinking log writes killing it
[20:20] <nid0> not a hope
[20:20] <Naphatul> i have my rootfs on the sdcard in the hopes to have all the bandwith available to the external hdd
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[20:27] <Bilby> nid0, basically just making remote macro buttons
[20:27] <Bilby> like "turn on receiver set zone 2 to input y"
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[20:27] <SpeedEvil> Bilby: sounds like just an esp would likely do that
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[20:28] <Bilby> Looks like someone made a library lol... i love the internet https://github.com/jtangelder/denon-remote
[20:28] <nid0> sounds like the network api would be way easier, it took me about 5 minutes to hook up to my yamaha. or at least, if you're worried about your $700 outlay it sounds like you don't have anything to worry about, because if you can't get rs232 up and running you can do it over the network
[20:29] <Bilby> most of the places i'd want to put controls are close enough to run over some cat5 as just an on / off connection. throw a $5 arduino in the middle and i'm good to go
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[20:29] <Bilby> I think it will work for the client without anything more than an IR repeater, so i'll probably roll out with that and then do dev work during the times he's not in that house lol
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[20:42] <Berg> good morning irc residents
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[20:46] <Bilby> hidy ho Berg
[20:46] <Berg> i saw a bilby yesterday
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[20:46] <Berg> im sure it had ticks
[20:47] <Berg> the bilby https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macrotis
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[20:48] <Bilby> ^_^
[20:49] <Berg> summer is approaching and the summer garden is almost done
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[20:52] <Bilby> nice
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[20:56] <ozzzy_> Berg, summer is done
[20:57] <The_Borg> are you sure
[20:57] <ozzzy_> yep
[20:58] <Berg> so the sun comming up earlier every day is a lie?
[20:59] <ozzzy_> middle of summer was June 21
[20:59] <ozzzy_> we're 1/2 way to autumn now
[21:00] <Berg> strange
[21:00] <Berg> you making me confused
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[21:00] <Berg> i get the imrpression the world only have a northen hemephere!!!
[21:01] <ozzzy_> it does... the southern hemisphere is where we send our convicts
[21:01] <ozzzy_> [ba dum chiiiing]
[21:01] <Berg> right
[21:01] <Berg> so you sent them to a prison they made it into parradise and now you need a visa to enter ....wonderfulll
[21:02] <Berg> bada boom
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[21:02] <ozzzy_> you need a pass to enter any prison
[21:02] <ozzzy_> unless you're a convict
[21:02] <Berg> then it must be a very selkect prison ...Im going fishing later
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[21:04] <Berg> rehab is wonderfrull here
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[21:05] <Berg> still gona be summer soon
[21:05] <ozzzy_> spring anyway =)
[21:05] <Berg> :)
[21:05] <Berg> whats after spring?
[21:06] <Berg> winter is comming
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[21:07] <ozzzy_> well... the Autumnal Equinox is Sept 21.... can't be summer (there) until after that
[21:08] <Berg> right
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[21:22] <Boohbah> http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/dri-devel/2015-August/088272.html
[21:29] <shiftplusone> Boohbah: still a long way to go before enough is upstreamed to be of interest to the average user.
[21:30] <shiftplusone> Though if I remember right, anholt is an upstream rpi maintainer now, so.... that should help.
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[21:32] <Boohbah> shiftplusone: http://lkml.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/1508.1/03254.html
[21:33] <Boohbah> maybe 4.3
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[21:33] <pksato> Old computers did it better! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0wDtxYeJdzg
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[22:29] <NullMoogleCable> hi
[22:29] <shiftplusone> Hello
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