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IRC Log for 2015-08-24

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[0:00] <Lope> Okay I see exfat supports noatime. I also mounted with ro now for good measure.
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[0:01] <[Saint]> There's really no reason to prefer exfat unless you're dealing with files larger than 4GB.
[0:02] <[Saint]> It's the standard for SD volumes larger than 64GB, but, not for any good reason.
[0:02] <[Saint]> FAT32 is fine. NTFS is fine.
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[0:18] <Berg> good morning planet in the goldilocks zone
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[1:46] <SyncYourDogmas> Future proofing? I can't see advantage of fat32
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[1:52] <plugwash> SyncYourDogmas, over what for what?
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[1:55] <SyncYourDogmas> Fat32, over any other file type
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[2:00] <plugwash> normally the reason you use fat32 is compatibility
[2:01] <plugwash> damn near everything can read and write it (even more can read/write fat16 and fat12 but that tends to be seriously obsolete stuff)
[2:01] <SyncYourDogmas> And USB drives for some reason
[2:03] <plugwash> people expect to be able to read and write their USB drives from any system. Also file permissions are generally more trouble than they are worth on removable media.
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[2:13] <SyncYourDogmas> Yeah but NTFS?
[2:13] <SyncYourDogmas> Linux reads that fine
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[2:20] <Karlton> you use fat on flash memory because it doesn't have advance filesystem features like COW and defrag that can decrease it's lifespan significantly
[2:22] <SyncYourDogmas> Ah thanks, that makes sense
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[2:23] <SyncYourDogmas> You could just not defrag USB sticks though
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[2:38] <ShadowJK> fat was the original reason for defrag's invention
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[2:39] <SyncYourDogmas> It has to be manually invoked though? And I didn't know it was that old
[2:40] <SyncYourDogmas> Surely there were older contiguous drives
[2:42] <Karlton> Well I mean filesystems like ext4 that do things to avoid fragmentation and writes more data
[2:42] <ShadowJK> XP could install on fat filesystem, and of course win98 before it didn't support ntfs.
[2:43] <ShadowJK> I'm not sure it writes more data really, it's just smarter
[2:43] <Karlton> I have been told it isn't good for flash memory
[2:44] <ShadowJK> It doesn't really matter
[2:45] <ShadowJK> Drives that can't handle ext4 behaviour today will run so slow as to be unusable anyway
[2:45] <plugwash> also it's only fairly recently that linux has got NTFS support working right
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[2:46] <ShadowJK> Around 2005 I'm guessing
[2:47] <ShadowJK> I'd prefer logfs or f2fs on non-ssd flash anyway, for the performance benefit
[2:48] <ShadowJK> Oh and anything that isn't superslow with ntfs on it will also be fine with ext4
[2:48] <Karlton> isn't f2fs made specificly for flash?
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[2:49] <ShadowJK> yes
[2:51] <plugwash> ShadowJK, well it depends a bit on how exactly you define "working right" but ntfs-3g (the implementation most people use now) had it's first stable release in 2007
[2:53] <plugwash> and aiui macs still don't mount ntfs read/write by default
[2:54] <plugwash> (and yes I agree if the device is only going to be used on linux it is likely to make sense to use a linux-specific filesystem)
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[2:56] <Karlton> btrfs :D
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[3:11] <Karlton> man I don't know why I having so much trouble with getting the vc4 kernel driver to load, it's compiled as bultin but yet it doesn't load and there is nothing in dmesg about it :(
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[3:19] <SyncYourDogmas> Syslog, messages, Kern?
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[3:21] <Karlton> SyncYourDogmas: nothing in /var/log either
[3:22] <SyncYourDogmas> Guessing lsmod empty then?
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[3:23] <SyncYourDogmas> What happens if you try to modprobe it?
[3:23] * plugwash issn't sure he would trust btrrfs for anything important just yet
[3:25] <plugwash> i've run into lockup problems with it before, fortunately there was nothing important on the FS (it was jusst a working drive for an autobuilder) so I just wiped it
[3:25] <Karlton> I didn't make any modules, it says not to compile it as a module
[3:26] <SyncYourDogmas> Drivers are modules though? I think
[3:28] <Karlton> you can compile linux as a single monolithic binary with no module support
[3:30] <SyncYourDogmas> I thought its like that anyway, you just enable and disable parts of it
[3:30] <SyncYourDogmas> But all the modules are in the kernel anyway
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[3:35] <plugwash> for most drivers you get a tristate option, "N" doesn't build it at all "Y" builds it into the kernel and "M" builds it as a module
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[3:36] <SyncYourDogmas> I mean say a Debian kernel, to my understanding they are all in the kernel image, you can just choose which ones to load to memory
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[3:37] <Karlton> default is /lib/modules
[3:38] <SyncYourDogmas> You mean compiling a kernel? My gentoo days coming back to me
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[3:38] <Karlton> its the kerel from https://github.com/anholt/linux/tree/vc4-kms-v3d-rpi2
[3:40] <Karlton> the vc4-kms driver will allow direct rending to be used by mesa so I don't have to use xorg generic framebuffer driver that is slower than a snail and useless for 3d games
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[3:42] <SyncYourDogmas> This has gotten beyond me. Final idea is compile as a module so you can use standard tools. Good luck
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[3:50] <Karlton> It will be part of the official driver stack instead of using the Broadcom provided OpenGL ESv2 libraries for hardware rendering
[3:51] <Karlton> and it will run OpenGL 2.0 as well
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[3:58] <Karlton> https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=VideoCore&action=edit&section=7
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[3:59] <Karlton> err, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VideoCore#Linux_support
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[4:03] <diamonds> I don't have a cable to connect to my raspi right now
[4:03] <diamonds> so I'm trying to configure network interface on the card then pop it in
[4:03] <diamonds> is there any reason not to edit /etc/network/interfaces directly to add the wifi ssid?
[4:05] <SyncYourDogmas> Why not just make a new config file for WPA supplicant?
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[4:09] <diamonds> SyncYourDogmas: please describe
[4:09] <diamonds> SyncYourDogmas: /etc/init.d/??
[4:09] <SyncYourDogmas> Nah
[4:10] <diamonds> I don't know how to do that, can you give me more info?
[4:10] <SyncYourDogmas> Yeah 5 mins
[4:10] <diamonds> ty
[4:10] <[Saint]> why not just use nmcli or any one of the numerous ncurses based networkmanager frontends?
[4:11] <diamonds> hm....
[4:11] <[Saint]> see https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Wireless_network_configuration#Manual_setup
[4:11] <[Saint]> ignore the fact that it's Archlinux wiki.
[4:11] <diamonds> so, I have a raspi, and an SD card with raspian installed
[4:11] <[Saint]> Same applies to debian.
[4:12] <diamonds> I ~do not have~ a cable to connect to it, but I DO have a USB wifi dingle
[4:12] <Karlton> it depends on the init script for where it looks for the wpa_supplicant config file
[4:12] <SyncYourDogmas> Saint its different for Debian
[4:13] <[Saint]> No it's not hun.
[4:13] <diamonds> I want to get the raspi to connect to wifi but I can't boot it then ssh to it, I need to edit the config on a diff. box (in this case chromeos) then plug it in to raspi, supply power, and it connects to wifi so I can then SSH to it
[4:13] <[Saint]> nmcli, nmtui, networkmanager, iw...tonnes of options.
[4:13] <diamonds> [Saint]: ah, ok didn't realize those ran on chromeos
[4:14] <SyncYourDogmas> Network interfaces is
[4:14] <diamonds> will try
[4:14] <[Saint]> diamonds: wait...what? You're running chromeos on your pi?
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[4:14] <diamonds> nope
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[4:14] <[Saint]> Then how is that relevant?
[4:14] <diamonds> I have a raspi & no cable to connect to it
[4:15] <diamonds> I want to connect to it via wifi
[4:15] <[Saint]> Do you have a monitor and a keyboard?
[4:15] <diamonds> no
[4:15] <diamonds> I only wish to use it over ssh
[4:15] <[Saint]> Then you're screwed.
[4:15] <diamonds> so: I need to configure wifi on SD card so I can plug it in, boot pi, & it will connect to wifi
[4:15] <Karlton> your not screwed
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[4:16] <SyncYourDogmas> Saint use wpa_passphrase ssid passphrase > /etc/wpa_supplicant/your network.conf
[4:16] <[Saint]> Well, no, but it makes it way more difficult than it needs to be.
[4:16] <diamonds> ty SyncYourDogmas
[4:16] <diamonds> [Saint]: if you take the time to understand the problem before providing solutions, your solutions will be more helpful/accurate ^.^
[4:17] <SyncYourDogmas> Then go to /etc/network/interfaces and add
[4:17] <[Saint]> If you took the time to explain them...
[4:17] <[Saint]> Who the hell doesn't have a CAT cable lying around?
[4:17] <diamonds> fair enough :)
[4:18] <diamonds> [Saint]: I actually have one & that was my plan but get this
[4:18] <diamonds> I have a macbook pro
[4:18] <diamonds> no ethernet port
[4:18] <[Saint]> Oy...lol
[4:18] <diamonds> but! I also travel with chromebook backup
[4:18] <SyncYourDogmas> auto wlan0 \n allow hotplug-wlan0 new line
[4:18] <diamonds> .........no ethernet port >.<
[4:18] <diamonds> SyncYourDogmas: tryna follow along with you but I'm not sure I'm getting what goes where
[4:18] <captain118> Is there a good how to for adding kernel modules?
[4:19] <SyncYourDogmas> Ill just paste you my config
[4:19] <diamonds> SyncYourDogmas: ty
[4:19] <SyncYourDogmas> And make sure sshd is running too...
[4:20] <[Saint]> diamonds: perhaps you might want to invest in a USB serial cable.
[4:20] <diamonds> this `wpa_passphrase ssid passphrase` I don't follow, is that three space delimited three terms? I only have ssid+pass
[4:20] <[Saint]> they're like $5
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[4:20] <[Saint]> diamonds: wpa_passphrase is a tool, not a tuple.
[4:20] <diamonds> ah
[4:20] <SyncYourDogmas> wpa_passphrase is a terminal program
[4:21] <diamonds> sorry I assume s/he meant "echo wpa_passphrase ...." > filename
[4:21] <diamonds> hot dog, chromeos has that command available
[4:21] <diamonds> praise the lord
[4:22] <captain118> Is there a good how to for adding kernel modules?  
[4:23] <[Saint]> But, yeah - you really might want to look into getting a USB serial cable so you can get a remote shell even on your devices without ethernet diamonds
[4:23] <SyncYourDogmas> Modprobe
[4:23] * diamonds nods @ [Saint]
[4:23] <[Saint]> it'll likely save you a lot of hassle in future, needing to hand-edit the / image each time you set up a pi (which will happen semi-regularly) is beyond painful.
[4:24] <diamonds> yeah I am on vacation, I've been travelling with this raspi I've never had time to mess with, thought maybe on the trip I'd finally have time
[4:24] <SyncYourDogmas> No need to echo, wpa passphrase outputs to stdout
[4:24] <SyncYourDogmas> http://termbin.com/6ozw
[4:24] <diamonds> SyncYourDogmas: you have 2 wlan interfaces?
[4:25] <SyncYourDogmas> Yeah
[4:25] <SyncYourDogmas> Check what yours is called with ifconfig
[4:25] <[Saint]> If anyone else has access to the device be advised that by default wpa_passphrase will include the SSID and passphrase in the wpa_supplicant conf file in plain text.
[4:25] <SyncYourDogmas> Should be wlan0 though
[4:25] <[Saint]> If that's a problem for you, be aware of it.
[4:26] <diamonds> SyncYourDogmas: ifconfig where?
[4:26] <SyncYourDogmas> Anywhere, in terminal
[4:26] <diamonds> I can't both boot & access the pi :)
[4:26] <SyncYourDogmas> Ah, guess wlan0 then
[4:26] <diamonds> I'll just set both and cross my fingers :p
[4:26] <SyncYourDogmas> It's that or something weird
[4:27] <SyncYourDogmas> Like gentoo uses
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[4:27] <diamonds> oh shoot, doesn't want to let me edit wpa_supplicant.conf
[4:27] <diamonds> lol ok sudo works passwordless in chromeos
[4:28] <diamonds> idk even what's going on here sorry
[4:28] <SyncYourDogmas> You'll need to set password for sshd too
[4:28] <SyncYourDogmas> Yeah that's fine
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[4:29] <SyncYourDogmas> Well. Change ssd stuff anyway
[4:29] <diamonds> SyncYourDogmas: ah good call re: sshd
[4:29] <diamonds> I assumed I could use default u/p for pi & it would let me in over ssh
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[4:30] <SyncYourDogmas> Yeah it should
[4:30] <diamonds> SyncYourDogmas: so don't append to wpa_supplicant.conf, create a new file?
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[4:30] <SyncYourDogmas> Overwrite it if you want
[4:30] <Aurei> hi!
[4:30] <SyncYourDogmas> Just make sure paths match in interfaces
[4:30] <diamonds> it currently contains:
[4:30] <diamonds> ctrl_interface=DIR=/var/run/wpa_supplicant GROUP=netdev update_config=1
[4:31] <Aurei> anybody knows if the official resellers send pi's to south america?
[4:31] <SyncYourDogmas> Hmm I'll check mine
[4:32] <diamonds> I'll just append the network config to that file?
[4:32] <SyncYourDogmas> Yeah you need that at top actually
[4:32] <diamonds> prepend?
[4:32] <SyncYourDogmas> Yeah
[4:32] <SyncYourDogmas> Append
[4:32] <diamonds> oh ok
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[4:33] <Karlton> you might just need the ctrl_interace and GROUP part
[4:33] <diamonds> read only filesystem! :(
[4:33] <SyncYourDogmas> Sudo
[4:34] <diamonds> I did, but I used append output
[4:34] <diamonds> I'm going to try just sudo vi
[4:35] <diamonds> XD
[4:35] <diamonds> oops
[4:35] <diamonds> was just attempting to edit those files on my local chromebook
[4:35] <diamonds> take 2
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[4:36] <SyncYourDogmas> Haha
[4:37] <Karlton> just don't do sudo rm -r /*
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[4:37] <diamonds> Karlton: just tried but it said some files were write protected do I want to delete anyway :/
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[4:37] <diamonds> I'll try "All"
[4:38] <diamonds> I mean "yes to all"
[4:38] <diamonds> :p
[4:38] <SyncYourDogmas> | --yes
[4:38] <diamonds> or -rf
[4:39] <diamonds> OK I added the config to wpa supplicant config
[4:39] <diamonds> now will edit /etc/networking/interfaces
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[4:46] <diamonds> SyncYourDogmas: http://hastebin.com/raw/suxufimice
[4:46] <diamonds> what do you think
[4:46] <diamonds> will work or nah?
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[4:51] <diamonds> ugh
[4:51] <diamonds> even if this did work I wouldn't be able to figure out its network address
[4:53] <[Saint]> You could, via the router.
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[4:54] <[Saint]> But this goes towards my "you're screwed" its more trouble than it's worth mantra from earlier
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[5:16] <SyncYourDogmas> Sorry back
[5:17] <SyncYourDogmas> You can find network addresses by an ARP flood that's easy enough
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[5:19] <SyncYourDogmas> Hmm, has be gone?
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[5:51] <Bulldawgden> Pi noob banging my head because of this error on boot: Kernel Panic - not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(0,0)
[5:52] <Kizniche> What OS?
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[5:56] <Karlton> maybe something wrong in your cmdline.txt mount options or your trying to mount an unsupported filesystem
[5:57] <Karlton> or you're fstab is wrong if it gives you a shell
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[6:27] <Bulldawgden> I loaded Noob OS and installed Raspbian
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[8:41] <ICantCook> Hi all. I'm trying to set a static ip address on my raspberry pi. It's using wifi
[8:41] <ICantCook> This is my /etc/network/interfaces file: http://paste.ofcode.org/kYRivHnabEWwNfhhH6dD5R
[8:41] <ICantCook> I'm trying to set the static ip of .156
[8:41] <ICantCook> but it still seems to be using dhcp (.152, .151, etc) on bootup
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[8:54] <Lope> I can mount the ext4 partition in a fresh RbPi image like this `mount 2015-05-05-wheezy-raspbian.img -o loop,offset=$(( 512 * 122880)) img2/` but I can't do it with my image that I've dd'd from my SD card. It says wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/loop0. Is there a way I can run fsck on the image, starting from 512 * 122880 ?
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[9:01] <Lope> this is horrible.
[9:01] <Lope> I'm running a fsck on the filesystem and it's got countless errors.
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[9:05] <Lope> it's a pity SD card quality sucks so badly.
[9:05] <Lope> it makes it hard to make a good image that I can reproduce.
[9:05] <Lope> Wastes my time also.
[9:07] <skyroveRR> Just keep the kernel on the SD card; keep the rest on a flash drive.
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[9:08] <ICantCook> Someone in #debian helped me fix it, I had to indent the address, gateway and subnet lines
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[9:18] <Lope> so I can basically put the 2nd partition on the flash drive then update the boot commandline (in partition 1) and the fstab file (that's on the flash drive) ?
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[9:19] <ShorTie> or just write the image to the flash drive, it's the easiest way i think
[9:19] <skyroveRR> Lope: there's more to it, but you are getting there.. just google a bit.
[9:19] <skyroveRR> ShorTie: you have to keep the kernel separate. It HAS TO BE on the SD card. With the entire /boot directory.
[9:20] <ShorTie> i know that
[9:20] <ShorTie> but just writing the image to the flash drive is the easiest way to get / on it
[9:21] <ShorTie> yo still need the sdcard
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[9:39] <Lope> if I copy /var/cache/apt/archives/*.deb files from a partially corrupt SD will that result in me installing corrupt files, or do .deb packages have a checksum built in?
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[9:40] <SyncYourDogmas> They have checksums, underneath they're tar
[9:40] <Lope> SyncYourDogmas: thanks :)
[9:41] <SyncYourDogmas> Not all might be bad though
[9:41] <SyncYourDogmas> Ah you want to rescue them
[9:42] <Lope> Yeah i'm gonna copy them to my new install.
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[9:42] <SyncYourDogmas> I would get the list of installed packages and redownload them myself
[9:44] <ShorTie> i'd just let apt-get re-download what it needs again
[9:45] <SyncYourDogmas> Yeah, well I would build them all from source for my new machine
[9:46] <SyncYourDogmas> I had to do that once actually for lxde
[9:47] <SyncYourDogmas> Took an hour and a half...
[9:47] <Lope> well, hang on a second. If the deb files are .tar underneath, then surely it's safe to use potentially corrupt .deb files?
[9:47] <Lope> because they'll be rejected if faulty?
[9:47] <SyncYourDogmas> I was joking sorry
[9:47] <SyncYourDogmas> Yeah it'll be fine
[9:47] <Lope> Oh, ok.
[9:47] <Lope> Yeah I've had enough of this corrupt SD card BS.
[9:48] <Lope> I'm installing onto a USB3 (with that new USB3 tech) intel SSD now.
[9:48] <ShorTie> normally a corrupt sdcard means you got power issues
[9:48] <Lope> Lol, on RbPi's USB2 port.
[9:49] <Lope> Well, my power adapter is 2A. but the cable is kind of long and thin.
[9:49] <ShorTie> yup, bad cable
[9:49] <SteamPoweredH> huckleberrypi
[9:49] <Lope> I know the voltage sags down to 4.4ish if you pull 2A
[9:49] <ShorTie> most over looked thing, imho
[9:49] <Lope> is that bad? :)
[9:49] <ShorTie> Yes
[9:49] <Lope> Does the RbPi2 really pull 2A?
[9:49] <ShorTie> that will corrupt a sdcard in a heart beat, lol/
[9:50] <SyncYourDogmas> You might want to re install anyway though, a lot of the time they do set up stuff
[9:50] <Lope> I thought they were just kidding :)
[9:50] <SyncYourDogmas> Dpkg -l
[9:50] <Lope> bugger.
[9:50] <SyncYourDogmas> Will list installed packages
[9:51] <ShorTie> get a new cable and your corrupt sdcards will go away i bet
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[9:51] <Lope> okay, I've got a 4A 5V adapter. I'll hack that, along with a USB A plug to backpower the SSD, for good measure :)
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[9:52] <ShorTie> cable should have like 2-28awg/2-24awg printed on it
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[10:11] <Lope> Can you mount a RbPi rootfs from a x86_64 PC and chroot into it and run apt-get update && apt-get upgrade etc on it?
[10:11] <Lope> or do you need an ARM CPU?
[10:12] <ShorTie> yes, you need a arm
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[10:57] <Lope> Awesome :)
[10:57] <Lope> okay it turns out my adapter was 2.6A, but I modded it anyway. It has fat power wires, I cut a short USBA -> microUSB cable in half and hooked it up, so now it provides power at the microUSB port and backpowers through the USB A port
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[11:16] <Lope> Awesome, So I'm running my 2B from a Intel 256GB SSD inside a UASP USB3 enclosure... you gotta love overkill :)
[11:16] <Lope> it's a lot quicker running the jessie upgrade.
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[11:17] <Lope> hmm, I think it would be nice to always keep a small SSD inside a USB enclosure handy for Pi development.
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[11:29] <Lope> is there any way to get Jessie without installing all the desktop stuff? x lightdm, gnome etc
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[11:36] <nid0> is there any specific aspect of Jessie you actually do want? I ask because i've seen a fair number of people want to upgrade to Jessie solely to get systemd, and it's perfectly easy to just install that on wheezy
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[11:36] <Lope> nid0: personally, I just want LXC
[11:36] <Lope> And the LXC in wheezy raspbian is too old.
[11:38] <ShorTie> lots of ways to get jessie as a minamal install
[11:38] <ShorTie> shiftplusone has a nightly build of it i believe
[11:39] <ShorTie> has everything but the desktop stuff
[11:39] <Lope> Since I would not like to repeat this process again soon, I've taken care to install on the most stable hardware possible. Now after it's finished I'll save an image of it. And then apt-get remove --purge all the desktop stuff, then save that image too.
[11:39] <Lope> ShorTie: ah, pity, I didn't know about that. It's not listed on the Raspbian download page?
[11:39] <ShorTie> nop
[11:39] <Lope> link?
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[11:40] <Lope> because it will probably be more minimal than me removing desktop stuff from this desktop install.
[11:41] <ShorTie> hmmm, that says wheezy, http://nightly.raspberrypi.org/nightlyimages-v2/
[11:41] <ShorTie> there is always my_pi_os, to make your own install/image
[11:42] <ShorTie> https://github.com/ShorTie8/my_pi_os
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[11:43] <Lope> It's okay, thanks. I've already got this desktop install. I'll just apt-get remove --purge the desktop stuff. Should be a bit smaller.
[11:43] <ShorTie> actually, you know, Debian does not recommend upgrade from wheezy to jessie
[11:43] <Lope> First time I've ever heard that.
[11:43] <SyncYourDogmas> Lope, I purged of all lxde on mine
[11:44] <Lope> SyncYourDogmas: if I purge LXDE will all the X and gnome stuff go too?
[11:44] <Lope> (hoping yes)
[11:44] <SyncYourDogmas> It's not too hard. Not x
[11:44] <ShorTie> imho, better to start off with a minimal install then trying to purge junk
[11:44] <SyncYourDogmas> But you don't have to start x
[11:45] <Armand> I know it's somewhat off-topic, so I can certainly go PM... But, has anyone built a wind generator from scratcH?
[11:45] <Lope> ShorTie: Yeah I just realized it would have been simpler if I removed all the desktop stuff from Wheezy before upgrading to Jessie.
[11:45] <SyncYourDogmas> Mine boots to a terminal. I log in , if remote screen if local startx
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[11:45] <ShorTie> Lope, why not just make an image with my_pi_os, it doesn't take long ??
[11:47] <ShorTie> you can easily add in anything you want
[11:47] <ShorTie> and since it uses apt-get to get stuff, you get all the required dependances
[11:48] <Lope> Does it have to run on the pi?
[11:48] <Lope> or can I run it on an x86?
[11:49] <Lope> (the downloading & building process)
[11:49] <ShorTie> on the pi because it uses a chroot
[11:49] <ShorTie> you could wipe the image up on the sdcard
[11:50] <ShorTie> write it to the ssd
[11:50] <ShorTie> and go from there though....
[11:50] <Lope> yeah, not today. I've got way too much to do to experiment.
[11:51] <ShorTie> or just do up the ssd, you don't need to make an image if you don't want to
[11:51] <Lope> What I'd really like is an easy way to run a RbPi in Qemu
[11:51] <Lope> So it will be 1000X faster to do all this kind of stuff.
[11:51] <ShorTie> too much work, lol
[11:52] <ShorTie> easier just to use the pi
[11:52] <Lope> Well, people have run Pi inside Qemu, with a custom built kernel.
[11:52] <ShorTie> oh ya, playing is fun
[11:52] <ShorTie> no practicle reason for it though, imho
[11:53] <Lope> Of course there is, speed.
[11:53] <Lope> (speed of development)
[11:53] <ShorTie> naps are a good thing though
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[12:26] <e_carter> Anyone here have experience working with PIs that can write custom code for bitcoin? I want to make a box for a specific purpose and I'd be happy to buy it for you, provide all you need to achieve the goals, and pay for your time to write the code it needs as well.
[12:27] <e_carter> By "Custom code for bitcoin", I don't mean code for bitcoin, I mean writing code and being paid in bitcoin.
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