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IRC Log for 2015-09-05

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[0:00] <at0m> they put a card in my postal box. "our technician will come visit to make sure your network and devices are optimized".
[0:00] <Solarbaby> at0m: it was terrible!
[0:00] <at0m> mom said i should make sure their network is optimized, as a mutual service
[0:01] <Solarbaby> ha
[0:01] <Solarbaby> I have an Asus AC router now. I'm happy.
[0:02] <Solarbaby> to give you a idea how discusting AT&T was. we had DSL with them. They pretty much asked us to leave and they did everything they could to make us wish that we had left.
[0:03] <at0m> how's that?
[0:03] <Solarbaby> when I complained to them they told me to sign up for U-Verse, but not right now because it's not offered to me.
[0:03] <Solarbaby> they kept me at 150kbps for 10 years
[0:03] <Flerb> Hmm. I think I might forward the relevant port through my router then deal with the firewall on my pi
[0:03] <at0m> ew :/
[0:04] <Solarbaby> their routers were pretty poor too.
[0:04] <Solarbaby> man I really don't think that company deserves to me serving the public.
[0:05] <at0m> Flerb: you got plenty firewall on your router. "pinhole" port 22 or another high one if your isp blocks <1024 ports, for ssh. set up pub key auth only on ssh. nobody will break that.
[0:05] <Solarbaby> lol!
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[0:06] <at0m> Solarbaby: another freak evolution here is they replace all users routers to their own "free wifi routers for everyone" while all they do is mount it to your street wall so the whole street can surf on their AP on your router
[0:06] <Solarbaby> yuck
[0:06] <at0m> most people i know are without wifi in the kitchen let alone garden now
[0:06] <Flerb> at0m: sure. I have a server with meh authentication on it (mopidy) that I want only internal clients to be able to access, if I was accessing my pi through the port forwarding on the router, is it possible to specifically allow my traffic, being on the local network?
[0:07] <Flerb> And that firewall would have to be set up on the pi
[0:07] <at0m> why would you firewall your pi
[0:07] * Solarbaby sets up a mesh cage around the house
[0:07] <at0m> it's not web-facing
[0:07] <Solarbaby> actually I live so far out that nobody would be on my wifi
[0:07] <at0m> (apart from the ssh pinhole)
[0:08] <at0m> Solarbaby: for your visitors! their ISP AP broadcasting "look we're even in the middle of nowhere"
[0:08] <Solarbaby> totally
[0:09] <at0m> actually, i have another AP on their router (next to my own router), for visitors. i don't want others on my AP's.
[0:09] <at0m> or on my LAN, for that matter.
[0:12] <Flerb> at0m: well I want to access that particular server on the pi, the one with the meh authentication, using the DDNS domain name, but only within the local network
[0:14] <at0m> why would you use a ddns name on your LAN. it's never going to resolve to 192.168.1.17, that's going to return your WAN IP
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[0:15] <at0m> you need to set up the LAN name in the router, of if that doesn't provide custom DNS, from a DNS server on your pi then add 192.168.1.17 to your router for DNS
[0:15] <at0m> *or if
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[0:18] <Berg> sounds like its made more difficult then it should be is your android on the same network?
[0:19] <at0m> Berg: he wants his friends to mopidy on his pi using ez ez ez hostname
[0:19] <at0m> yes, all on the lan
[0:19] <Berg> is his friends on the same lan?
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[0:20] <at0m> yes, i'm guessing when they visit
[0:20] <Berg> so use the ip
[0:20] <at0m> IP is too hard ;p
[0:20] <Berg> right
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[0:20] <Berg> right the ip on the door for when they enter
[0:20] <Berg> write
[0:21] <at0m> Flerb: ^
[0:21] <Flerb> yeah ok
[0:21] <Flerb> sure
[0:21] <Flerb> thanks
[0:22] <Flerb> sorry I guess I was overthinking it
[0:22] <Flerb> Except friends, heh
[0:22] <Flerb> Friends?
[0:22] <Flerb> What friends?
[0:22] <at0m> visitors?
[0:22] <Flerb> at0m: family?
[0:22] <at0m> that's what you said
[0:22] <at0m> idk, guests
[0:22] <Flerb> I did?
[0:23] <Berg> make a book mark on thier units to click to your pi
[0:23] <Flerb> Well I just thought it'd be cool if I could plug the pi into the aux of our home theater system to play spotify music
[0:23] <Flerb> but yeah
[0:23] <Flerb> might use it for something else
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[0:24] <Flerb> I was considering just using it as an alarm that tells me what day it is, gives me my timetable, the local weather, reads my email titles to me, news etc
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[0:24] <at0m> Flerb: sorry misread on the guests part.
[0:24] <Flerb> at0m: sure
[0:24] <Flerb> sorry I guess I kinda wasted your time
[0:25] <Berg> nar its not a waste
[0:25] <Berg> nothing is ever a waste
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[0:25] <at0m> we learned some things about DNS, ssh, portforwarding
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[0:25] <Berg> i got a issue this morning too
[0:26] <Berg> i need more 3v pins on my pi
[0:26] <Berg> grrr
[0:29] <Flerb> woah woah woah
[0:29] <Flerb> how did I end up with no space left
[0:30] <Flerb> there's nothing big on here
[0:30] <Flerb> that I'm aware of
[0:30] <Flerb> on a 16gb card
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[0:31] <Berg> you put any garden waste or recyclables in there?
[0:31] <Berg> :)
[0:32] <Berg> sorry cant help meself
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[0:32] <Berg> did you make the pi expend the sdcard to use it all?
[0:32] <at0m> Flerb: raspbian? quick easy temp fix, sudo rm /var/cache/apt/archives/*.deb
[0:32] <Berg> expand
[0:32] <Flerb> Berg: yeah
[0:32] <Berg> ok
[0:33] <Berg> you running apache?
[0:33] <at0m> df -h to see free space, du -hs /dir shows used space
[0:33] <at0m> ... and find what's using all that space
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[0:34] <Berg> like all folks they seem to run to the obvious server apache
[0:34] <at0m> < lighttpd
[0:34] <Berg> there must be a better server then that ...less room needed?
[0:35] <Flerb> noo. Rebooted any it was fine tho
[0:35] <Berg> i use python bottle for my web server but thats no for everyone
[0:35] <at0m> Flerb: reboot fixed disk usage?
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[0:35] <Berg> was it disk full or ram full?
[0:35] <Flerb> the latter probably
[0:35] <Flerb> 21% used on the card
[0:35] <at0m> Flerb: 'free' shows memory usage
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[0:36] <at0m> also, linuxatemyram.com
[0:37] <Berg> make sure you dont have too many un-needed programs running
[0:38] <at0m> mostly graphical programs. firefox?
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[0:40] <Berg> i remember my friends win xp he was a fan of free online software that made his PC safer like checking every little bit of the machine and reporting the result
[0:40] <at0m> lolol
[0:40] <Berg> he had so much spyware in his PC it took 15 mins to boot
[0:41] <at0m> MS supported initial HT/dual core CPU's: one for the OS, one for the apps that keep it up
[0:41] <Berg> i would suggest he never learn his lesson he still complains today how his new win 10 is slow to boot
[0:42] <Berg> i dont go near his PC any more
[0:42] <Berg> its contagious
[0:42] <Berg> hehehe
[0:42] <at0m> that's why my friends go on an AP beyond my LAN
[0:43] <Berg> i dont have friend visti
[0:43] <Berg> ooo i do and they see my wifi
[0:43] <Berg> i tell them to join
[0:43] <Berg> they cant because they not on the 1 mac address i let join
[0:44] <Berg> thats the fun part i tell them its their machines not my wifi i show them it works
[0:44] <Berg> :)
[0:44] <at0m> eheh. apt search macchanger
[0:44] <Berg> they dont know what my router is doing
[0:44] <Berg> they cant see that
[0:44] <Berg> my roiuter only lets one mnac addy in
[0:44] <at0m> mac security is just obfuscation. if they wireshark, they got your mac
[0:44] <Berg> my pi
[0:45] <at0m> (and can set their own to that)
[0:45] <Berg> thats ok my friend whine anbd sit down with blank faces cause they have to stop using the net and they brains dont work whern asked to talk
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[0:45] <Berg> its ok they not that smart
[0:46] <Berg> the gran kids and childrenb mostly
[0:46] <at0m> you'd be surprised
[0:46] <Berg> oilder friends dont carry a phone liuke its surgicaly inserted in the head
[0:46] <at0m> recently, one of these lil ones found my pron stash in like 2mins
[0:47] <Berg> i dont has pr0n
[0:47] <Berg> im too old for that
[0:47] <Berg> give me a heart fail
[0:47] <Berg> :)
[0:47] <at0m> just, as a generic name for 'not for your eyes':)
[0:47] <Berg> correct
[0:47] <Berg> i dotn have that either
[0:48] <Berg> i have nothing on my PC's or pi's that needs securing
[0:48] <Berg> i goto the bank counter when i need banking done
[0:48] <Berg> <---old old
[0:49] <Berg> anyway we learn
[0:49] <Berg> can i see my pi on my network using a made up host name?
[0:50] <Berg> http://raspberrywebserver.com/serveradmin/change-your-pis-host-name.html
[0:50] <at0m> if you got a pi, you ought to know https://yourbank.com is maybe more secure than bank counters. and saves on the drive.
[0:50] <traeak> Berg: have you tried?
[0:50] <Berg> no
[0:50] <traeak> /etc/hostname or something liek that :-p
[0:50] <Berg> its set at default but i have 2'pi on the lan
[0:51] <at0m> sudo hostname $newhostname && sudo echo "$newhostname" > /etc/hostname
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[0:52] <traeak> ify ou do set the local hostname i think you'd have to reset the network so the router DNS knows about the new name
[0:52] <Berg> ill log me pi in so i can copy and paste
[0:52] <traeak> ie: get a new dhcp certificate
[0:52] <Berg> :)
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[0:52] <at0m> traeak: or wait it out :)
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[0:53] <Ima_bot> <-----berg
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[0:53] <Berg> sudo hostname $newhostname && sudo echo "$newhostname" > /etc/hostname
[0:53] <traeak> uhh
[0:53] <at0m> without the $ ofc
[0:53] <traeak> not verbatim
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[0:54] <Ima_bot> sudo hostname $relay && sudo echo "$relay" > /etc/hostnameraspberrypi
[0:54] <Ima_bot> bash: /etc/hostname: Permission denied
[0:54] <Ima_bot> oops
[0:55] <at0m> sudo su then hostname relay && echo relay > /etc/hostname
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[0:55] <Ima_bot> ok
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[0:56] <Ima_bot> that worked
[0:56] <Ima_bot> reboot?
[0:56] <Ima_bot> or can i use addy?
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[0:57] * Berg kicks imA-BOT
[0:57] <traeak> rebooot probably most brain dead way of doing it
[0:57] <traeak> then check your router to see if the new name registered
[0:58] <Berg> ok
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[1:02] <Berg> hmm its not there
[1:02] <traeak> /etc/hostname got updated?
[1:02] <Berg> nope its not update
[1:02] <Berg> might have to redo that
[1:03] <traeak> on the rpi i mean
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[1:03] <Berg> 'yep
[1:03] <Berg> whats the less brtain dead way odf reboot that?
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[1:04] <traeak> restart the networking
[1:04] <Berg> how?
[1:04] <traeak> depends :-p
[1:04] <Berg> sounds like easier to be brain dead
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[1:08] <Berg> :)
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[1:49] <ctrlshftn> Hey guys, I need a C++ library for using the nrf
[1:49] <ctrlshftn> Any sugesstions?
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[2:51] <Berg> what is nrf
[2:51] <ozzzy_> national research foundation?
[2:52] <methuzla> nerf without an e
[2:53] <jer> methuzla, and the fun.
[2:56] <Berg> normaly red fACED
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[3:00] <ozzzy_> Shaka, when the walls fell.
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[3:10] <geode> hello :)
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[3:12] <geode> sorry for my English. i have a question. is there anyone using raspberry pi as self hosted version control system? if so. which vcs software do you use or suggest?
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[3:22] <marchelzo> Hi, is this a good pi to get? http://amzn.com/B008XVAVAW
[3:27] <JK-47> yes, but what do you plan to use it for?
[3:28] <marchelzo> well I'm buying it to run an irc bot
[3:28] <JK-47> more than enough
[3:28] <Chillum> should be plenty
[3:28] <Chillum> you could use an older one for that
[3:28] <marchelzo> but I may want to tinker with it later on, so I'm thinking of getting the one with the extra components and stuff
[3:28] <Chillum> the nice thing about the Pi 2 that you linked too is it has much more ram and a much faster CPU
[3:29] <Chillum> neither of which you need for an IRC bot, but if you want to tinker it is good
[3:29] <marchelzo> I can't decide between the 'Starter' and the 'Ultimate' kit
[3:30] <Chillum> get a simple setup with just waht you need. You can buy the other stuff from ebay cheap
[3:30] <Chillum> as you need it
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[3:30] <Chillum> do you really need an HDMI cable? Or can you do it all through ssh via ethernet?
[3:30] <Chillum> you probably want to use wired ethernet and not a wifi dongle
[3:30] <marchelzo> HDMI cable: no. But the wifi module would be nice.
[3:31] <marchelzo> why no wifi?
[3:31] <Chillum> less reliable
[3:31] <Chillum> generally I like to use wired connections for bots and servers
[3:31] <Chillum> that way when I microwave something the signal does not drop
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[3:32] <jer> that's just life telling you not to use a microwave =]
[3:32] <Chillum> or get one made after 1982
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[3:32] <Chillum> the ultimate kit has stuff for playing with the GPIOs
[3:33] <Chillum> I tend to use arduinos for that stuff, as the pi lacks the precise timing needed for a lot of stuff
[3:33] <Chillum> but it is a powerful feature of the Pi
[3:33] <pksato> http://www.amazon.com/Raspberry-Model-Starter-Case--Power-Supply/dp/B00TFV5QTA/
[3:34] <marchelzo> It says that it's pre-loaded with NOOBS.
[3:34] <Chillum> pre-loaded means "old version"
[3:35] <Chillum> you want to write noobs or raspbian to the microsd yourself from the latest version
[3:35] <marchelzo> I see
[3:35] <Chillum> I have not used noobs, but have found raspbian to have a lot of packages
[3:35] <Chillum> really works like any other server for the most part
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[3:36] <marchelzo> yeah, i want raspbian for sure
[3:37] <pksato> with wifi http://www.amazon.com/CanaKit-Raspberry-WiFi-Power-Supply/dp/B00LU8D6DY/
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[3:42] <superteece> Does the overscan_scale value only work for composite cable video?
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[3:59] <abnormal> no
[4:00] <abnormal> it works on all of the videos that you hook up to pi... VGA, HDMI, and compsite
[4:01] <abnormal> especially in the Raspbian OS...
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[4:07] <superteece> k. I tried this set overscan tool from git and it wiped my config.txt.....
[4:07] <superteece> anyone running kali on their pi?
[4:08] <superteece> there was one line in config.txt that was entered by the kali with LUKS setup but I don't know what it was.
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[4:11] <abnormal> no, I don't know about Kali OS... I do have Ubuntu 15.04 on my pi B-2 and is wonderful.
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[4:14] <superteece> if I have to start from scratch I'm gong to need another bottle of booze
[4:14] <abnormal> ok
[4:14] <abnormal> sorry
[4:14] <superteece> 's ok
[4:14] <superteece> it'll be startover number 4 today
[4:14] <abnormal> have you asked niston?
[4:15] <superteece> do you have to use overscan to fill the monitor on Ubuntu?
[4:15] <abnormal> it's auto in Ubuntu
[4:15] <superteece> don't know him/her... local guru?
[4:15] <abnormal> niston is in Austraila and knows a LOT of electronics and pi's
[4:16] <abnormal> he's in this channel
[4:16] <superteece> k
[4:16] <pksato> superteece: that kind of display rpi is connected?
[4:17] <abnormal> [Saint] and shiftplusone are also pi guru's
[4:17] <superteece> motorola lapdock
[4:18] <pksato> is not HDMI?
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[4:19] <pksato> HDMI not to overscan. If need is on wrong resolution.
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[4:20] <superteece> it is HDMI. Resolution looks good, I just have the black border of unused screen
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[4:21] <abnormal> can you do raspi-config?
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[4:21] <pksato> tested with overscan disabled?
[4:22] <superteece> nope
[4:23] <superteece> but now I'm afraid to reboot because my config.txt was emptied by a crap tool....
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[4:25] <superteece> so I was hoping someone here might have kali on a pi and could share the default config with me
[4:25] <ozzzy_> what is kali
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[4:26] <superteece> It's a debian derived OS
[4:26] <superteece> specialized in security
[4:27] <ozzzy_> bah... linux distros are all the same
[4:27] <pksato> superteece: you dont have original image?
[4:27] <superteece> Not sure how to pull it out of there but yeah I do
[4:28] <pksato> can mount the image
[4:28] <superteece> ozzzy_: it's specialized in terms of it's default config and packages
[4:31] <superteece> ok then what am I looking for?
[4:34] <abnormal> superteece: will this help you? http://rageweb.info/2013/11/07/bootconfig-txt-in-kali/
[4:36] <abnormal> superteece: or this one? https://forums.kali.org/showthread.php?24830-raspberry-pi-b-performance-tweaks
[4:39] <superteece> abnormal, thanks but no. I'll post on the forums and see if I can get it there.
[4:40] <abnormal> ok yw
[4:40] <abnormal> I tried
[4:40] <abnormal> but since I don't know about Kali, sorry
[4:41] <abnormal> but if you can, catch niston, he's real good....
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[4:49] <ScottO_> i was running a spython script to operate a relay board by a schedule. i came home to find it not adhering to its schedule
[4:50] <ScottO_> more likely a process failed and left the GPIo in their state, or that there was a power event which caused a reboot and the schedule was following an incorrect time/
[4:50] <ScottO_> ?
[4:50] <ScottO_> which is more likely the problem/
[4:51] <Berg> is the pi using the clock?
[4:51] <warpie> the power outtage
[4:51] <Berg> i have mine on the net
[4:51] <Berg> if its not on the net the clock will get out
[4:51] <ScottO_> mine is on wifi
[4:51] <ScottO_> i did also have a wifi failure today
[4:51] <ScottO_> but id expect it to reconnect
[4:51] <Berg> are you using the internal clock to time event5s?
[4:52] <ScottO_> but i wasnt able to connect to it remotely
[4:52] <ScottO_> there is no hardware clock
[4:52] <Berg> not if your routers down at same time and pi boots before router
[4:52] <ScottO_> ah
[4:52] <ScottO_> may have been the perfect storm
[4:52] <Berg> yeah
[4:52] <ScottO_> power issue, wifif down, reboot, cant get correct time, thus running the wrong schedule
[4:52] <ScottO_> best way to handle that?
[4:53] <Berg> anyway if your running off pi clock it will be out by the namout power was out
[4:53] <Berg> cable
[4:53] <ScottO_> do i need to worry about running the python script as a daemon, or is cron @reboot ok and stable enough?
[4:53] <Berg> can you run etho
[4:53] <ScottO_> yes but if the pwoer goes out, i have it using NTP to grab the time
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[4:54] <ScottO_> i did read that theres a way to trick it into thinking it has a hwclock
[4:54] <Berg> your script was running?
[4:54] <ScottO_> just keeping track of the last recorded time
[4:54] <ScottO_> Berg: when?
[4:54] <Berg> your poython on reboot?
[4:54] <ScottO_> yeah my script is set to run all the time in a loop
[4:54] <ScottO_> and start running at reboot
[4:55] <Berg> was it still running on rebpoot
[4:55] <ScottO_> huh?
[4:55] <Berg> did you script auto boot on startup
[4:55] <ScottO_> when i got home, i saw my relays all on, and couldnt get into the pi
[4:55] <ScottO_> after i power cycled the raspberry pi, yes the script started
[4:55] <Berg> yeah just pull the wifi wait a secod or 2 and replace
[4:56] <Berg> then you can connect to your pi
[4:56] <ScottO_> oh you mean the USB wifi?
[4:56] <heliospan> Hey, I just bought a rpi 2, pretty excited! I'm trying to boot up FreeBSD 11 (there is an disk image). Now, there is no output from the HDMI, and the keyboard and mouse are not powered. I'm using a USB nexus 7 charger which is rated at 2.0 amps out, but I'm thinking maybe I don't have enough power?
[4:56] <ScottO_> so on boot, if it cant get wifi, it stops trying?
[4:56] <Berg> all the relays on with a duller red light is how they staqrt
[4:56] <ScottO_> yep
[4:56] <Berg> yes
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[4:56] <ScottO_> oh thats lame
[4:56] <Berg> then you program was not running
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[4:56] <ScottO_> is there any way to make it contantly check for wifi and never give up/
[4:56] <ScottO_> the lights were not dim
[4:56] <heliospan> Oh yea, the red led and green led are on on the pi...
[4:57] <ScottO_> so must have been running on a bad schedule
[4:57] <ScottO_> meaning, the clock had the wrong time
[4:57] <Berg> yeah there is anbd when you work it out give me the instruction
[4:57] <ScottO_> haha
[4:57] <ScottO_> im sure there is a combination of a ifup command
[4:57] <ScottO_> as long as the interface is detected
[4:57] <Berg> i did read about a script that checks for wifi
[4:58] <ScottO_> i didnt expect this to be that involved
[4:58] <ScottO_> lol
[4:58] <Berg> you can get you pi to autoboot yourt scripts just add your wifi script to that
[4:58] <Berg> one sec ill log in with pie
[4:58] <ScottO_> im running it as an quarium controller
[4:58] <ScottO_> i now have a tank of algae
[4:58] <ScottO_> :P
[4:58] <ScottO_> and overdosed CO2
[4:59] <ScottO_> ill also think about a battery backup
[5:00] <Berg> got it
[5:00] <Berg> in /etc/rc.local
[5:00] <ScottO_> oh you do?
[5:00] <Berg> you need to add your script to start
[5:00] <ScottO_> hrmm.. it lost wifi again
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[5:01] <ScottO_> maybe poor signal
[5:01] <Berg> well have it look for connection then if not found reconnect
[5:01] <Berg> must be some code for thaT
[5:02] <Berg> '
[5:02] <Berg> http://raspberrypi.stackexchange.com/questions/4120/how-to-automatically-reconnect-wifi
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[5:03] <ScottO_> so even if it gets wifi on boot, if its lost, then it stays lost/
[5:03] <ScottO_> ?
[5:03] <pksato> heliospan: green led (ACT) is always on?
[5:04] <heliospan> pksato: yea, it's solid
[5:04] <heliospan> I read it should be blinking if reading from sd.
[5:04] <Berg> 'YOU CAN ADD A SCRIPT TO RECONNECT IF NO WIFI ScottO_
[5:04] <pksato> Yes, blinking of off.
[5:05] <Berg> OOPS
[5:05] <heliospan> hm, I'll try installing with debian linux, and see if that works. Although this is the disk image so I'm not sure. However the only supported image is FreeBSD 11, which is development...
[5:06] <ScottO_> omg stop yelling at me :(
[5:06] <ScottO_> :p
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[5:06] <pksato> heliospan: recomendation is to use raspbian or noobs on first boot.
[5:06] <heliospan> FreeBSD 10.2 is the latest stable release, and there is no rpi 2 image for it yet..
[5:07] <heliospan> pksato: OK, thank, I'll give it a try with raspbian
[5:07] <pksato> more people usging, more easy/quick to get help.
[5:07] <ScottO_> Berg: did you see the simple method below that answer?.
[5:07] <ScottO_> Berg: involving /etc/ifplugd/action.d/ifupdown
[5:08] <Berg> looking
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[5:09] <Berg> you wona try that?
[5:09] <Berg> you will need to be root to edit that filke i think
[5:09] <ScottO_> you man sudo
[5:09] <ScottO_> mean
[5:10] <Berg> well you will need permision to9 editr
[5:10] <Berg> so sudo
[5:10] <Berg> or sudo su
[5:10] <Berg> sudo gedit
[5:10] <Berg> sudo nano
[5:10] <Berg> what ever you use
[5:10] <ScottO_> weird i rebooted and still no wifi
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[5:11] <Berg> you ssh into yo9ur pi?
[5:11] <ScottO_> no, i have rdp running
[5:11] <ScottO_> but still. its ip wont respond
[5:11] <Berg> do the pi look like its rebooting correctly
[5:11] <ScottO_> the right relays turned on
[5:11] <Berg> maybe its ip has changed
[5:11] <ScottO_> so its follwing a schedule
[5:11] <ScottO_> maybe
[5:12] <Berg> hmm
[5:12] <ScottO_> time to break out nmap
[5:12] <Berg> look at your router for wats connected
[5:12] <Berg> i had this issue too so i manualy set each pi's ip
[5:13] <ScottO_> im going to have to
[5:13] <Berg> i also made my wifi only connect to defined mac addresses
[5:13] <ScottO_> how can i tell which MAC address is the raspberry
[5:13] <Berg> only use list provided
[5:14] <Berg> your router should see it on -ARP list
[5:14] <Berg> see whats there
[5:14] <Berg> do you have wireless statistics availabl;e/
[5:15] <Berg> they shhow macc addy too
[5:15] <ScottO_> im just gonna scan ips
[5:15] <ScottO_> less effort
[5:15] <ScottO_> :P
[5:15] <Berg> :)
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[5:17] <Berg> https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=49350
[5:17] <Berg> :)
[5:18] <Berg> thats what i did too all my lan connected units
[5:19] <ScottO_> cant find it
[5:19] <ScottO_> weird
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[5:20] <Berg> that link?
[5:21] <ScottO_> no the device
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[5:22] <Berg> ooo
[5:22] <Berg> it should be wlan0
[5:23] <Berg> do
[5:23] <Berg> ifconfig
[5:23] <Berg> on your pi
[5:23] <Berg> look at your router see what ip's are connected
[5:23] <Berg> try the odd ones
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[5:32] <ScottO_> lol
[5:33] <ScottO_> i bring it closer to the wifi and reboot and ity works
[5:33] <ScottO_> same ip
[5:33] <ScottO_> figures
[5:33] <ScottO_> i have crappy wifi
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[5:34] <ScottO_> need to do a combination of fake hwclock and the wifi reconnect
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[5:35] <Berg> get a long lump of blue wire with clear plugs on the ends
[5:35] <ScottO_> lol
[5:35] <ScottO_> nah cant run wire there
[5:36] <Berg> why?
[5:36] <Berg> where is it?
[5:36] <ScottO_> in my condo
[5:36] <Berg> impact drill and diamond cutters?
[5:36] <ScottO_> lol
[5:36] <Berg> whats a condo?
[5:36] <ScottO_> condominium
[5:36] <Berg> i have a house i live in the bush with roos and koalas
[5:36] <superteece> Does the order of entries matter in config.txt?
[5:36] <ScottO_> its like an apartment you own
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[5:37] <Berg> if i need a wire strung i catch a wild cat tie it to its tail and let out thye hounds
[5:37] <ScottO_> nice
[5:37] <Berg> weoof woof
[5:37] <Berg> yeah
[5:37] <Berg> i have wifi to the back roomn about 30' aWAY
[5:37] <Berg> its ok
[5:37] <Berg> i got the dongle from element 14
[5:38] <pksato> wifi not auto connect? network manager? interfaces?
[5:39] <Berg> the gods of wifi are angry sacrefice a developer to the code
[5:39] * Berg peers around for a coder thats not awake
[5:40] <pksato> to keep time, use a rtc module.
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[5:41] <Berg> i just make sure its on wifi
[5:41] <Berg> if its not pull the dognle and replace
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[5:41] <Berg> all fixed
[5:42] <Berg> i cant get that script running
[5:42] <ScottO_> which?
[5:42] <ScottO_> ifupdown/
[5:42] <ScottO_> or the big one?
[5:43] <Berg> the big one
[5:43] <Berg> anyway did that ifup work?
[5:44] <pksato> or wifi chip hangs.
[5:44] <ScottO_> im checking
[5:44] <ScottO_> welll.. i didnt reboot
[5:44] <pksato> and need power recycle.
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[5:44] <ScottO_> but i did change out the script
[5:44] <Berg> my wifi wont auto reconnect on router dfown
[5:44] <ScottO_> and turned off the wifif
[5:44] <ScottO_> when i turned it back omn it reconnected
[5:44] <Berg> the pi does that anyway
[5:45] <Berg> you need it to reconnect on router reboot
[5:45] <Berg> thats where its failing
[5:45] <ScottO_> ah
[5:45] <ScottO_> true
[5:45] <Berg> well mine does
[5:45] <Berg> ill let you try it first
[5:45] * Berg hums a tune
[5:46] <ScottO_> well i need it to reconnect after failing to do so during boot
[5:46] <ScottO_> when the wifi comes back
[5:46] <Berg> i use tightvnc
[5:46] <Berg> if isd much more gooder remote desktop
[5:47] <ScottO_> hrrm
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[5:47] <ScottO_> i turned off the wifi, did a reboot, once it was on i turned the wifi AP back on and it connects
[5:48] <ScottO_> i didnt do the same test prior so i dont know if its working because of the new ifupdown script or not
[5:48] <Berg> hmm
[5:49] <Berg> hmm
[5:49] <Berg> so you proved it works?
[5:49] <ScottO_> not exaclty
[5:49] <ScottO_> lemme change it back and try the same thing
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[5:51] <Berg> how do you rename files in console?
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[6:00] <heliospan> Berg: mv
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[6:00] <heliospan> mv oldname newname
[6:00] <ScottO_> seems without the changes it does not work
[6:00] <ScottO_> but with them it does
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[6:00] <ScottO_> Berg: id say success
[6:02] <Ima_bot> hmm
[6:02] <Ima_bot> trying it
[6:02] <Ima_bot> im berg
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[6:03] <ScottO_> no your not
[6:03] <ScottO_> your a bot
[6:03] * Ima_bot is now known as Berg
[6:03] <Berg> no im berg
[6:03] <Berg> see
[6:03] <Berg> ner ner
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[6:04] <Berg> do i do the cp from within the folder /etc/ifplugd/action.d/
[6:06] <heliospan> man cp
[6:06] <heliospan> man is your friend
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[6:08] <Ima_bot> ok i power down my router and rebooted my pi reconnected
[6:09] <Ima_bot> well done ScottO_
[6:09] <Ima_bot> <---thats berg
[6:09] <Ima_bot> we have the gynocology we can rebuild it
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[6:09] * Ima_bot playts the music to 4million dallar man
[6:09] * Ima_bot is now known as Berg
[6:09] <ScottO_> :D
[6:10] <Berg> nice day
[6:10] <Berg> so your relay script need to boot on restart too
[6:10] <ScottO_> huh?
[6:10] <Berg> i have relays running also
[6:10] <ScottO_> my relay script starts on boot automatically
[6:10] <Berg> well does your script auto load?
[6:10] <Berg> ha ok why?
[6:10] <Berg> how
[6:11] <ScottO_> are you using cron?
[6:11] <Berg> nope
[6:11] <ScottO_> instead of a time schedule
[6:11] <ScottO_> use @reboot
[6:11] <Berg> what will that do?
[6:11] <ScottO_> http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/linux-execute-cron-job-after-system-reboot/
[6:11] <ScottO_> run a job at startup
[6:12] <ScottO_> my relay script runs an infinite loop
[6:12] <ScottO_> so i only need to start it once
[6:12] <Berg> mine too
[6:12] <ScottO_> at boot
[6:12] <ScottO_> do you know how to use cron?
[6:12] <Berg> it checks times and switches relays on and off to a text files with times
[6:12] <Berg> nope
[6:12] <ScottO_> text files?
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[6:13] <ScottO_> im using a python GPIO
[6:13] <Berg> yeah i have a file that can be edited from a web site
[6:13] <ScottO_> no text files
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[6:13] <Berg> then the timer looks at that for each relay start stop time
[6:13] <ScottO_> yeah im looking to do that soon so i can use my phone to manully override the schedule as needed
[6:13] <Berg> i use bottle.py
[6:13] <ScottO_> more of use this setting instead of the schedule
[6:14] <Berg> i have a manual method of changing relays too but it clashes with the other so i only use timere
[6:14] <Berg> one sec
[6:15] <ScottO_> Berg: this is what i use http://pastebin.com/mMySTXpc
[6:15] <Berg> well well extreamly interesting ill past me timer up
[6:15] <Berg> one sec
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[6:18] <Berg> im berg
[6:18] <ScottO_> i see
[6:18] <Ima_bot> no im berg
[6:19] <Ima_bot> http://pastebin.com/4kCumxhu
[6:19] <ScottO_> great
[6:19] <Ima_bot> thats my pi timer program
[6:19] <Ima_bot> it goes to a file to get the times
[6:19] <ScottO_> i see the file open
[6:19] <ScottO_> i may steal portions of this
[6:20] <Berg> if you like
[6:20] <ScottO_> what dop you use for a webserver?
[6:20] <Berg> thats all part of the fun
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[6:20] <Berg> bottle py
[6:21] <Berg> i can post that too but you need to modify it to sure your needs
[6:21] <ScottO_> ok
[6:21] <ScottO_> i was gonna install a fulle webserver
[6:21] <ScottO_> but if there s asimple script one thats great
[6:21] <Ima_bot> nar
[6:21] <ScottO_> http://bottlepy.org/docs/dev/index.html ?
[6:21] <Ima_bot> bottle py is a one file web sever i can paste that up too
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[6:21] <Ima_bot> i just store the bottle file in with the code
[6:22] <Ima_bot> want the server?
[6:22] <ScottO_> yeah
[6:24] <Ima_bot> make sure you have a web brouser that has html5
[6:24] <Ima_bot> http://pastebin.com/kzHAkQdK
[6:24] <Ima_bot> get the dev version of boittle.py from bottle web site
[6:25] <Ima_bot> and just drop it in the folder for your relay server
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[6:25] <Berg> the last line
[6:26] <Berg> needs changing to your pi ip
[6:26] <Berg> you need to run bother them files and have a pre mad text file to run all this
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[6:28] <Ima_bot> http://pastebin.com/v4BPRnst
[6:28] <Ima_bot> thats just hopw the data is set out
[6:29] <Ima_bot> ScottO_: ok?
[6:32] <Berg> ooo wait you also need the web pages
[6:32] <Berg> lol
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[6:33] <Peppi> je;;p
[6:33] <Peppi> hello
[6:33] <Ima_bot> put these 2 web paves in a folder called views
[6:33] <ScottO_> ok ill look later
[6:33] <Ima_bot> hello
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[6:33] <ScottO_> just found out my fridge isnt running
[6:33] <ScottO_> :(
[6:33] <Peppi> trying to get a wifi dongle working any hints?
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[6:36] <Ima_bot> turn it on
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[6:36] <Ima_bot> http://pastebin.com/0gBwNBrB
[6:36] <Ima_bot> http://pastebin.com/NNk2XnNf
[6:36] <Ima_bot> put them in a folder called views
[6:37] <Ima_bot> in what os Peppi
[6:37] <Peppi> openelec
[6:37] <Ima_bot> no idea someone elese?
[6:37] <Peppi> Ima_bot: openelec
[6:38] <Ima_bot> ScottO_: ?
[6:38] <Ima_bot> he might know
[6:38] <ScottO_> nope
[6:38] <ScottO_> mine worked out of the box
[6:38] <Ima_bot> i just goto my network icon on my desktop on the pi and set it
[6:38] <ScottO_> but im not using openelec
[6:38] <Ima_bot> mine too
[6:39] <Ima_bot> tell it what network to connect too
[6:40] <Ima_bot> by the way ScottO_ if you set the ip addresss on that script to 0.0.0.0
[6:40] <Ima_bot> it will be abvle to be sdeen from the net pon port 8080 if you have portforwarded to that pi
[6:41] <Ima_bot> port forwar 8080 to you pi
[6:41] <Ima_bot> anyway i should just zip it all up and send it to ya
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[6:42] <Peppi> when I'm ssh'd to the pi how do I know if the wifi dongle is working?
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[6:45] <Ima_bot> if you can ssh in then your dongle works
[6:45] <Peppi> well no
[6:45] <Peppi> I'm also connected via cat5
[6:45] <Ima_bot> unless you have cable too?
[6:45] <Peppi> yes
[6:45] <Ima_bot> ooo well i dont know
[6:46] <Ima_bot> you need to tell your dongle what wifi to connect too
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[6:46] <Ima_bot> i just did mine with a monitor and a keyboard connected at start then used ssh later
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[6:47] <Ima_bot> anyone here can tell Peppi ?
[6:47] <Ima_bot> [Saint]: you awake?
[6:47] <Ima_bot> Peppi: JUST hang about some one wil know
[6:47] <[Saint]> what?
[6:48] <Peppi> hello
[6:48] <Peppi> when I'm ssh'd to the pi how do I know if the wifi dongle is working?
[6:50] <[Saint]> 'ifconfig'
[6:50] <[Saint]> if wlan0 is listed with valid addresses, you win.
[6:51] <Peppi> hmmm :(
[6:51] <Peppi> no go
[6:51] <[Saint]> Well, there you go.
[6:52] <[Saint]> There's an easy answer. "it's not".
[6:52] <[Saint]> What chipset is this?
[6:52] <Peppi> raspberry pi 2
[6:52] <[Saint]> ...
[6:52] <Peppi> or the dongle?
[6:52] <[Saint]> The wifi dongle.
[6:53] <Peppi> not sure
[6:53] <[Saint]> That's kinda important.
[6:53] <Peppi> :/
[6:53] <Peppi> ya
[6:53] <Peppi> hmm I wonder if I plug it into my computer
[6:53] <Peppi> if I can find out
[6:53] <[Saint]> 'sudo lsusb'
[6:54] <Peppi> sec
[6:54] <Peppi> http://nopaste.linux-dev.org/?754086
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[6:56] <[Saint]> https://wiki.debian.org/rtl819x
[6:56] <[Saint]> there you go bud.
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[6:57] <Peppi> uhmm
[6:59] <[Saint]> TL;DR: add 'contrib non-free' to sources.list, 'sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install firmware-realtek'
[6:59] <[Saint]> then do 'sudo nmcli'
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[7:01] <Berg> I feel like a new woman
[7:01] <Berg> :)
[7:02] <Berg> all my stuff is autobooting
[7:02] <Solarbaby> Awesome!!
[7:02] <Solarbaby> and did you keep security in mind?
[7:02] <Solarbaby> heeh
[7:02] <Peppi> [Saint]: uhmm where is sources.list?
[7:02] <Ima_bot> im not allowing external access\
[7:02] <Ima_bot> its on lan only
[7:03] <Solarbaby> usually good enough
[7:03] <Ima_bot> they need to be in the house to get the wifi and even thats mac addres bound
[7:03] <[Saint]> Peppi: that doesn't install me with faith bud.
[7:03] <[Saint]> That page literally describes exactly where it is.
[7:03] <Peppi> lol ya...
[7:03] <Peppi> ohh ok
[7:03] <Solarbaby> yeah it should be fine until some guests comes over with a rooted device that has malware all over it.
[7:03] <Peppi> i'll go RTFM... you going to be around for 10 min?
[7:04] <[Saint]> Likely so.
[7:04] <Ima_bot> they need to have the same mac address as my pi
[7:04] <Ima_bot> and my guests aint that smart
[7:05] <Solarbaby> oh i wasn't even assuming the guest would have any knowledge that their device opened up a big gaping hole between you and the world
[7:05] <Solarbaby> usually they don't know that
[7:05] <Ima_bot> Solarbaby: its a bother with the wifi i had someone access it when i had no mac address binding and they drained my bandwidth
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[7:05] <[Saint]> that's what client segregation is for.
[7:05] <Ima_bot> i sitting there waiting pages dint open etc
[7:06] <[Saint]> if you don't have client/AP segregation, and you're allowing the general public onto your WLAN...you're a brave boy.
[7:06] <Solarbaby> If I had more guests I would setup my guest network again
[7:06] <[Saint]> Very brave.
[7:06] <Ima_bot> i have no persons of high IQ visit
[7:06] <Solarbaby> I live right by area 51 and nobody comes by.
[7:06] <Ima_bot> i make sure they all dumber then me that way i never feel like the idiot in the group
[7:07] <Ima_bot> get me a alien please
[7:07] <[Saint]> That's relying a lot on faith.
[7:07] <Ima_bot> i need to tan some grey skin
[7:07] <[Saint]> You should treat your home network as though it is as hostile as any public network.
[7:07] <Solarbaby> I can get you alien fireworks and alien beef jerky
[7:07] <Peppi> [Saint]: is sources.list located in "/etc/apt/sources.list" becasue I don't have that
[7:07] <Ima_bot> they like beef jerky?
[7:07] <Ima_bot> wow from alien cows
[7:08] <Ima_bot> [Saint]: there is nothing on my systems that is secret
[7:08] <Ima_bot> i dont use it for anything other then play
[7:08] <[Saint]> That's just idiotic.
[7:08] <Ima_bot> :)
[7:08] <Solarbaby> Ima_bot: your fine
[7:08] <Ima_bot> why?
[7:08] <[Saint]> Why is it idiotic? Seriously?
[7:09] <Ima_bot> yes
[7:09] <Solarbaby> Ima_bot: I just like to remind people that security is something that should at least be thought about.
[7:09] <Peppi> [Saint]: I don't have an apt directory :(
[7:09] <Ima_bot> there is nothing in my pc that can be stolen
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[7:09] <Ima_bot> i think about it
[7:09] <Ima_bot> i do
[7:09] <[Saint]> Peppi: I assure you that you do.
[7:09] <Solarbaby> I think about it too much.
[7:10] <[Saint]> paolo: 'sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list'
[7:10] <[Saint]> *Peppi ^
[7:10] <Solarbaby> I need a MCP from tron to do it for me.
[7:10] <[Saint]> (sorry paolo)
[7:10] <Ima_bot> i just feel secure with just the mac binding on my lan and only pi has that ip if someone want to go to all the troublke of faking my pi mac address then ill ask them how they did it
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[7:10] <Ima_bot> cause they will need to be in the house
[7:11] <[Saint]> Ima_bot: so you never log into to any accounts over your network, at all, ever? No banking, no email, no nothing that requires a passphrase that could detrimentally affect your life?
[7:11] <Ima_bot> irc
[7:11] <[Saint]> Your MAC binding would stop me for al of a few minutes.
[7:11] <Peppi> [Saint]: there is no apt directory
[7:11] <[Saint]> Peppi: what OS is this?
[7:11] <Peppi> and I'm logged in as root so don't need sudo
[7:11] <Peppi> openelec
[7:11] <[Saint]> Peppi: Oh God...get off root.
[7:12] <[Saint]> There's no reason to ever be root.
[7:12] * Solarbaby likes to laugh
[7:12] <Ima_bot> i hyave nothing in my pc that can affect my lifew
[7:12] <Ima_bot> picture of my dog
[7:12] <Peppi> [Saint]: it's the default I just installed it
[7:12] <[Saint]> Peppi: Ah, no idea then. I assumed you were using a "Real OS".
[7:12] <Peppi> [Saint]: no using openelec
[7:13] <Solarbaby> Ima_bot: in case you want to run something other then openelec I am currently using Arch Linux on my PI and it runs great on the Pi 2
[7:13] <Ima_bot> I spose its hard to believe i dont have my entire reality installed in my PC but hay there you have it
[7:14] <[Saint]> Peppi: I guess you have to find out how OpenElec does package management then.
[7:14] <Ima_bot> i can delete my entire hard drive and not worry about loss
[7:14] <[Saint]> Peppi: I'm only familiar with "real" OSes.
[7:14] <[Saint]> IMO OpenElec is not one of these.
[7:14] <Ima_bot> im a man of the universe able t5o stand on astroids and smile in the face of aliens
[7:14] * Solarbaby has backups
[7:15] <Ima_bot> has no need for them
[7:15] <[Saint]> Ima_bot: and _nothing_ else on your network ever touches a sensitive account?
[7:15] <Ima_bot> nope
[7:15] <Ima_bot> nothing
[7:15] <Peppi> [Saint]: shit: http://nopaste.linux-dev.org/?754096
[7:15] <Solarbaby> I backup my backups when they need to be backed up.
[7:15] <[Saint]> I find that very hard to believe.
[7:15] <Ima_bot> yes i spose you do
[7:16] <[Saint]> Peppi: hahahaha....classic.
[7:16] <Ima_bot> t5hats the thing i am very secure i never use a PC for banking or anything
[7:16] <Solarbaby> sometimes I backup with DD and sometimes I do not.
[7:16] <Ima_bot> [Saint]: do you have a face book account?
[7:17] <Ima_bot> or twitter
[7:17] <[Saint]> Now I know you're lying.
[7:17] <[Saint]> You're registered, how did you manage to register your IRC with no email?
[7:17] <Ima_bot> i dont have a facebook account
[7:17] <[Saint]> (hint: you didn't)
[7:17] <Ima_bot> gmail
[7:17] <Ima_bot> :)
[7:17] <[Saint]> And how did you access that gmail...?
[7:17] <Solarbaby> there are sites in india that will be happy to create a email address for you.
[7:17] <Ima_bot> on the net
[7:18] <Ima_bot> do i care if its hacked?
[7:18] <Ima_bot> |no
[7:18] <[Saint]> So the whole "I never log into anything ever that's sensitive to me" thing was indeed bullcrap then?
[7:18] <[Saint]> I see.
[7:18] <Ima_bot> its not impoprtant
[7:18] <Solarbaby> [Saint]: it always is.
[7:18] <Ima_bot> your looking for rocking horse shit it aint there
[7:18] <[Saint]> Yeah, this conversation smacks of denial.
[7:19] <Ima_bot> i have nothing that needs security
[7:19] <Ima_bot> nar
[7:19] <[Saint]> You'll say that, until someone like me ruins your day just because they can.
[7:19] <Solarbaby> [Saint]: you log some stuff and show it to them and it's another story.
[7:19] <[Saint]> Solarbaby: precisely.
[7:19] <[Saint]> I'd ruin this guys day just for the fun of it based on the prior conversation.
[7:19] <Ima_bot> i cant see how folks can tell the world what color undies they wear or if they slept good or what ever i dont have anything i woulod miss from mthe net
[7:19] <[Saint]> Everyone needs that to happen, I think.
[7:20] <Ima_bot> nar
[7:20] <[Saint]> People need to not feel so blissfully ignorant about security.
[7:20] <Solarbaby> only a couple years ago yahoo forced their users to use none ssl email access.
[7:20] <Ima_bot> i dont use yahhoo?
[7:20] <Ima_bot> i dont think i do
[7:20] <Solarbaby> I'm just saying. You are not secure ever unless you try to be. That might change in the future but for right now security is a joke and you have to go out of you're way to embrace it.
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[7:21] <Ima_bot> i do
[7:21] <Ima_bot> your not listening to me
[7:21] <[Saint]> You very well do not.
[7:21] <Ima_bot> i dont trust PC i dont put stuff in it
[7:21] <Solarbaby> You have a secure mac address and a close network for guests.
[7:21] <[Saint]> 'secure'
[7:22] <Ima_bot> i dont let my guests use my wifi
[7:22] <Ima_bot> i dont get it?
[7:22] <[Saint]> MAC address verification doesn't really count as 'secure' in my books.
[7:22] <Solarbaby> you're fine don't worry.
[7:22] <Ima_bot> they dont have the pi mac addy
[7:22] <[Saint]> So trivially defeated.
[7:22] <Solarbaby> nothing will go wrong.
[7:22] <Ima_bot> you have lots stuff in your system that needs to be protected?
[7:22] <Solarbaby> if you really don't do much then it doesn't matter.
[7:23] <[Saint]> Do you honestly think that no one can get your MAC addresses?
[7:23] <Ima_bot> i ply on the pi i talk on irc the end
[7:23] <[Saint]> 'cos, if you do, that shit's hilarious.
[7:23] * Solarbaby quickly switches out you're bootloader *Snicker*
[7:23] <Ima_bot> its ok
[7:23] <[Saint]> You must have at least thought you cared to set up MAC validation.
[7:24] <Ima_bot> honestly i have nothing to fear sept fear itself
[7:24] <Solarbaby> Ima_bot: do you like to watch youtube?
[7:24] <Ima_bot> nope
[7:24] <[Saint]> I mean, that's a start...a puty it's irrelevant, but, hey, it's a start.
[7:24] <[Saint]> *pity
[7:24] <[Saint]> Any Joe Average can sniff MACs from outside your network piece of pie.
[7:24] <Solarbaby> Ima_bot: if you did want to watch youtube I would recommend a podcast called Security Now. It might be overwelming at times but you will learn some good stuff.
[7:24] <Ima_bot> sure
[7:25] <[Saint]> It doesn't even matter if you're using encryption. The MAC is broadcast in the encapsulation layer.
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[7:25] <[Saint]> I just have to sniff enough packets from you and bam, game over.
[7:26] <[Saint]> and 'enough' is surprisingly few.
[7:26] <[Saint]> Your relaxed attitude to security is amusing, and scary, all in one.
[7:26] <Solarbaby> most of the time you can just hack the router and it's game over for the rest of the network.
[7:26] <Solarbaby> honestly
[7:26] <Ima_bot> and where will it get them
[7:26] <Ima_bot> yeah well my connection is too slwo to watch your tuber
[7:26] <Solarbaby> not even joking
[7:26] <Solarbaby> slow connections are good
[7:27] <Solarbaby> right on
[7:27] <[Saint]> Where will it get them? What? ...seriously?
[7:27] <[Saint]> Unless you life in a goddamn Farraday cage "from the air"...duh.
[7:27] <Solarbaby> Most of the time the hacker isn't a human
[7:27] <Solarbaby> it's just a machine that does what it's programmed to do.
[7:27] <Solarbaby> just saying
[7:27] <Solarbaby> ;)
[7:28] <Berg> :)
[7:28] <Berg> Ima_bot: is A IDIOT
[7:28] <Berg> :)
[7:28] <[Saint]> I have a wireless penetration rig made out of a wifi pineapple and an ODROID C1 in my car.
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[7:28] <Solarbaby> noone is a idiot
[7:28] <Solarbaby> be nice in here.
[7:28] <[Saint]> I can literally drive around and gobble up your wireless.
[7:28] <Solarbaby> this is a place to share and teach.
[7:29] <[Saint]> MAC validation is going to stop me for all of a few minutes.
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[7:29] <[Saint]> And, no, he's not an idiot. Just blissfully ignorant.
[7:29] <[Saint]> This isn't exactly uncommon.
[7:29] <[Saint]> But it sucks to see it.
[7:29] <Solarbaby> true.
[7:31] <[Saint]> At the _very least_, even if you don't want to protect yourself, protect others on your network with client segregation.
[7:31] <heliospan> [Saint]: I think I rember reading about a google engineer that made something along those lines
[7:32] <[Saint]> heliospan: it wouldn't surprise me in the least.
[7:32] <[Saint]> Mine is almost entirely automated.
[7:32] <heliospan> Why would you do it?
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[7:32] <[Saint]> In my case, research.
[7:32] <[Saint]> I wanted to know what the most commonly available access holes were.
[7:33] <heliospan> Are you just stealing bandwidth?
[7:33] <heliospan> WPA encryption ?
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[7:34] <[Saint]> I don't steal anything except for a few packets that people are sending out into the internet-o-sphere anyway.
[7:34] <[Saint]> Nothing ever goes any further than a successful login.
[7:34] <[Saint]> (but even that is unlawful)
[7:35] <heliospan> So it only works on unencrypted ethernet?
[7:36] <heliospan> I've read about cracking WPA, but it takes some time.
[7:36] <[Saint]> Not necessarily.
[7:36] <ScottO_> there are ways\
[7:36] <ScottO_> you typically have to have 2 wireless devices, one to attempt and one to snoop
[7:36] <ScottO_> WPA2 is usually secure enough
[7:37] <heliospan> still it's going to take time to crack
[7:37] <ScottO_> WPA is weak
[7:37] <[Saint]> The very first things I'll try is bruteforcing the user/pass, than I'll try and (ab)use WPS, and if that fails it's packet capture time.
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[7:37] <ScottO_> heliospan: not as much time as youd think
[7:37] <[Saint]> And, yeah, WPA is trivially defeated.
[7:37] <heliospan> Is WPA weak even with a suitably long random hex password?
[7:37] <[Saint]> WPA2 I don't bother touching directly if the easy methods fall over.
[7:37] <[Saint]> Yes, it is.
[7:37] <Berg> how can you capture packets if your not connected to the wlan0
[7:37] <ScottO_> and mac address filtering is not a security method
[7:38] <ScottO_> its to be used in addition to good security
[7:38] <ScottO_> not by itself
[7:42] <[Saint]> My SSH is pretty militant. I filter by user, hostname, hostmask/IP:{PORT}, /and/ MAC on my ssh sessions, and I /still/ use a 8192b RSA key with a 64 char randomized passphrase and 2-Factor auth.
[7:42] <heliospan> Other thing is use secure connection to remote servers: ssl, https, etc.
[7:42] <heliospan> whenever possible
[7:43] <ScottO_> i dont open ports, i build tunnels :P
[7:44] <heliospan> [Saint]: turn off password authentication and PAM, and only allow RSA, that is pretty much the best you can do
[7:44] <[Saint]> that's pretty far removed from 'best' you can do.
[7:44] <[Saint]> it's a fine start though.
[7:45] <heliospan> Not really, that is the security, everything else is minor obfuscation but really necessary?
[7:45] <heliospan> but in this day and age...
[7:46] <[Saint]> My view is there's no reason _not_ to make it is difficult as sufficiently possible as long as the costs of doing so don't outweigh the benefit.
[7:46] <heliospan> Mac address can be spoofed, so can hostname, ip address, and etc.
[7:47] <heliospan> Anyone sophistaced enough to crack an RSA (which is not possible as far as we know), could easily obtain that other stuff
[7:49] <[Saint]> It doesn't impact my login times whatsoever, save for perhaps the extra few seconds it takes me to plug in and remove a ubikey 2FA dongle. And the very, very precise login conditions make it foolishly easy to build access rules.
[7:50] <[Saint]> I dunno. A lot of it is just habit from older times I suppose.
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[7:54] <[Saint]> In the "wut" files...a mate of mine carrier around his (passphrese-less) private and public keys and a copy of his authorized_keys on a USB key on his keychain for setting up remote sessions on random computers and sees absolutely no problem with it.
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[7:54] <Berg> well i supose the times have changed to a point where folks have their livelihood stored in a pc and if that particular item was lost they would loosew a good portion of there life?
[7:55] <heliospan> [Saint]: 2-Factor authentication is definetely a good idea. And yea I see where you're comming from.
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[7:55] <Berg> i understand what [Saint] is saying too
[7:55] <Berg> i realy do
[7:56] <heliospan> Some type of full-disk encryption for all your computers is good security too.
[7:56] <Berg> I just never put anything in my PC
[7:57] <Xark> Berg: Especially power. :)
[7:57] <heliospan> https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Disk_encryption
[7:57] <Berg> power?
[7:58] <Xark> Berg: Unpowered PC is fairly secure (still, cement encasement and deep sea submergence are desirable too).
[7:58] <[Saint]> With me it would just be an easy portal into my accounts, the local media I have isn't particularly interesting. But losing my google account would be a life ending tale of woe and despair.
[7:58] <Berg> oo i turn it off when i sleep even the router
[7:59] <heliospan> Berg: that is the best security!
[7:59] <[Saint]> If someone did get in to my network they'd find a veritable gold mine of flac audio.
[7:59] <[Saint]> That's about it.
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[7:59] <Berg> you let google control you life
[7:59] <Berg> ooo dear
[8:00] <[Saint]> I didn't give them access to anything I'm not comfortable with or conscious of.
[8:00] <Berg> what was that web site maderson or something they control a lot of lives and google is just another web site
[8:00] <[Saint]> Unlike many people.
[8:00] <[Saint]> Ashley Madison.
[8:00] <heliospan> doxed
[8:00] <Berg> was that it
[8:01] <Berg> yes
[8:01] <Berg> that was too funny
[8:01] <[Saint]> But I put a hell of a lot more trust in Google than I do an infidelity website.
[8:01] <Berg> i dont
[8:01] <heliospan> too funny ;/
[8:01] <Berg> that was too funny and people paid them to have their info
[8:02] <[Saint]> The hilarious part is that only ~4% of the accounts that were verifiably human and female ever interacted with the site more than twice.
[8:03] <heliospan> another scam
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[8:03] <Berg> its like all things people will pay to be titilated
[8:03] <[Saint]> The rest were either dummy accounts (several hundred accounts from a singular IP - on campus of the Ashley Madison HQ), women that joined and left immediately, and men pretending to be women.
[8:03] <Berg> if they believe you then you have them
[8:03] <[Saint]> It was a massive sausage-fest.
[8:04] <Berg> sausages for all
[8:04] <[Saint]> Three of our Parliament members and a lot of senior staff with .nz.gov addresses were on that list.
[8:05] <Berg> like facebook and twitter and the fact that news services take posts from these saites
[8:05] <[Saint]> Hi. Lar. Rious.
[8:05] <Berg> sites
[8:05] <Berg> kiwi's are very fertile lot
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[8:06] <Berg> trending atm is the fact that no one knows anything for a fact
[8:06] <Berg> people post utter lies and the news channels swarm on it
[8:07] <Berg> whats the world comming to
[8:07] <Berg> anyway thats not pi stuff
[8:07] <Berg> afk laters
[8:11] <[Saint]> Xark: just thinking about it...it would be fairly thermally efficient to encase a server in cement.
[8:11] <Xark> :)
[8:11] <[Saint]> You could flood the case with mineral oil and then entomb the whole thing in a big cement block.
[8:12] <[Saint]> I've always wanted to do a submerged build, but they're a bit cumbersome and difficult to maintain.
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[8:43] <ScottO_> Berg: you removed your paste!
[8:43] <ScottO_> Berg: http://pastebin.com/v4BPRnst
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[9:02] <sloof> Silly question but...On the RPi2 which pin is PIN1 on the GPIO header? http://www.megaleecher.net/Raspberry_Pi_2_Schematic_And_Pinout_Diagram - lower left on this picture?
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[9:04] <ShorTie> the 3.3v 1
[9:05] <ShorTie> or on the picture, the left most bottom 1
[9:06] <sloof> ShorTie: thanks
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[9:30] <Berg> ScottO_: it was onlyu there for 1 nhour
[9:30] <Berg> i never leave them up
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[10:17] <DoctorD90> shiftplusone: good morning. May i ask you a video clip? on internet i havent find a really comparation between normal camera, and nigth camera, with/without normal led/nigth vision led. And even a test with nigth camera with filter that it hasnt got. I mean. Purchase a nigth camera, add fiter in front of it, what is the visual difference? on internet i have find out only experiment using that cameras, not a comparation
[10:17] <DoctorD90> different video, doing different stuff...isnt a real good comparation :P
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[10:20] <ShorTie> they give you the blue filter to turn a 'night vision' camera back to a regular camera with it
[10:21] <ShorTie> or they did mine
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[10:26] <DoctorD90> ShorTie: 1.they who? 2.if they dont pack it too? 3.differences at morning and at nigth?
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[10:28] <ShorTie> i guess they would be the foundation, since they control what is packaged with the camera i would think
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[10:30] <ShorTie> here is a electrical controlled filter attachment http://www.dx.com/p/small-ir-cut-filter-switcher-for-cctv-camera-black-362506#.VIx7VHuQ99M
[10:32] <ShorTie> without the blue filter, everything has a brownish tint
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[10:33] <DoctorD90> (i'd purchase from adafruit) for this :P)
[10:34] <ShorTie> so did i, but it was the fondations camera/packaging
[10:34] <ShorTie> in a raspberry box
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[10:38] <DoctorD90> yep :p maybe a can purchase 1 and 1....but if adding filter it turns in an exactly normal camera.....this would be cheaper :p ...for this I asked a comparison video :P
[10:38] <DoctorD90> to see real differences :P
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[10:39] <ShorTie> the difference between the 2 is the blue filter, you can remove it from the normal 1
[10:39] <DoctorD90> may i connect 2 camera? at same time?
[10:39] <ShorTie> it's not real easy though as i've read
[10:39] <ShorTie> nop
[10:40] <DoctorD90> yes...removing isnt easy....adding yes...just put plastic/glass filter on camera :P
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[10:41] <DoctorD90> for a quadcopter, a nigth/day vision would be cool :P
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[10:42] <ShorTie> if you Google some, you will find some pictures comparing the 2
[10:42] <ShorTie> sorry, don't have the link right off hand
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[10:46] <DoctorD90> ShorTie: i have googled video....picture nope in reality....but i will check. Main issue is that people dont use same settings....so differences are not very clear :P for this I asked to "foundation" a video :P
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[10:48] <ShorTie> don't really know what a video is gonna tell more then a picture or 2
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[10:49] * ShorTie thinkz he needs to get 1 of these and go play, http://www.amazon.com/Syma-Channel-2-4G-Quad-Copter/dp/B0096SRMBC/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1441442859&sr=8-3&keywords=x1+bee
[10:52] <ShorTie> here is some pictures of the 2, http://raspi.tv/2013/pinoir-whats-it-for-comparison-of-raspicam-and-pi-noir-output-in-daylight
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[10:54] <xenkey> Hello
[10:54] <ShorTie> Good Morning
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[10:55] <xenkey> I'm making "setups" for the pi
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[10:55] <xenkey> This involves taking a pre-prepared base image of void linux and setting up something cool on i, then archiving the root file system into an archive like the one the initial system was constructed from
[10:55] <xenkey> I need ideas of things to set up on it
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[10:57] <ShorTie> i'd just use my_pi_os and make my own 'pre-prepared base image' of what ever i wanted
[10:58] <xenkey> Huh
[10:58] <xenkey> The idea of this is so I can quickly burn an image and not need to set anything up, like a resource for use in the field
[10:59] <xenkey> I have a wifi and bluetooth dongle if that gives any good ideas to anyone
[10:59] <xenkey> A bluetooth shell would be useful
[11:00] <xenkey> I tried to write a chat server but I only had one bluetooth device at the time of writing, when I borrowed a friend's laptop, it turned out bluetooth only supported one connection
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[11:06] <ShorTie> or you can just use dd or rpi-clone for backups
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[11:16] <DoctorD90> yes ShorTie exactly what i was telling about. It hasnt took a photo woth pinoir, with adding filter :P
[11:16] <DoctorD90> he hasnt*
[11:17] <DoctorD90> i've understood differences, but i would see also a pinoir, with a filter :P
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[11:47] <pixolin> Hello, I have a little issue with my Raspi: In my .zshrc I use export LANG="de_DE.UTF-8" and locale returns that, but after letter "ü" and "ß" appears a blank in the terminal. Couldn't find anything on Google and would appreciate your comments how to solve this.
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[14:35] <AirForce590> Can anyone recommend a good brownout-detection IC with a 200ma output current? I am running a circuit off 2 aa batteries, but right around 2V it starts misbehaving
[14:35] <AirForce590> Schematic is here: https://github.com/RyRutD/555-Synthesizer-Kit
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[15:41] <rubdos> I'm trying to feed my RPi 2 from a powered usb hub (by plugging the miniUSB "power cable" in the hub), which works (xbian boots!). But as soon as I want the raspberry to actually use the hub (by connecting a free USB port on the RPi 2 to the back of the hub), the hub seems to cut power from the raspberry, and RPi starts to reboot.
[15:41] <rubdos> I think the RPi somehow sends the hub a command to cut power, is that possible?
[15:42] * ShorTie thinkz, got a link to the hub maybe .. :/~
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[16:13] <Mossyfunk> If setting up a RP2 as an always on torrent box, would I be better off purchasing a WD red and putting it in an enclosure or would I be fine just using and old WD passport external drive?
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[16:14] <Mossyfunk> Is this likely to kill a drive fairly quickly? I know some WD drives have a 5 year warranty on them these days
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[16:16] <nid0> an external drive will work fine
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[16:19] <Encrypt> Mossyfunk, You could run Metadrive on it! \o/
[16:19] <Encrypt> Driveshare*
[16:19] <Encrypt> Mossyfunk, http://driveshare.org/
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[16:24] <Mossyfunk> Encrypt, why would I do that in this instance? I don't have the bandwidth or the space. I can barely afford my own HDD's
[16:24] <Encrypt> Ah... :/
[16:25] <Mossyfunk> Do people actually earn money through that?
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[16:28] <Encrypt> Mossyfunk, Apparently
[16:28] <Encrypt> They are supposed to earn money
[16:28] <Encrypt> There is a reaward system
[16:28] <Encrypt> reward*
[16:28] <Mossyfunk> It looks like a great idea
[16:28] <Encrypt> Mossyfunk, That's like "Hard drive mining"
[16:29] <Mossyfunk> haha
[16:29] <Mossyfunk> well if their website calculator is correct you could use it to pay off a large NAS pretty quickly
[16:29] <Encrypt> Mossyfunk, The aim is to replace Dropbox in a way
[16:30] <Encrypt> With a decentralized system
[16:30] <Encrypt> That's a cool idea :)
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[16:30] <Encrypt> Mossyfunk, That's why I suggested that to you
[16:30] <PerJr> so you contribute with hdd-space?
[16:30] <Encrypt> If you can manage to earn money with the remaining space on the hard drive which is on 24 hours a day
[16:31] <Encrypt> That could be a solution to earn a "bit of money"
[16:31] <Encrypt> I haven't tried it though
[16:31] <Encrypt> I spinoff my HDD when I don't use it, on my RPi
[16:31] <Encrypt> PerJr, Yes
[16:32] <Encrypt> PerJr, Users who want to get space pay... just like Pro accounts on Dropbox
[16:32] <Mossyfunk> If it is truly "anonymous" as they claim then it's a good way to pickup cryptocurrency that can't be linked back
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[16:32] <Encrypt> And you get the amount of money corresponding to the space rented
[16:32] <Encrypt> Unfortunately... to get SCJX coins...
[16:32] <Encrypt> ... you have to buy bitcoins
[16:33] <Encrypt> That's kind of difficult for the average user
[16:33] <PerJr> yah, should be euro/dollars or simmilar
[16:33] <Encrypt> And buying a cryptocurrency with a cryptocurrency... that doesn't sound to me really right
[16:33] <Encrypt> PerJr, Or simple with Bitcoins
[16:33] <PerJr> and who's to blame if kiddie-porn end up on my harddrives..
[16:33] <Encrypt> That would promote the Bitcoin network
[16:34] <Encrypt> PerJr, Well, you won't know what's on your hard drive
[16:34] <Encrypt> So, you're not responsible for anything
[16:34] <Encrypt> Because everything is encrypted
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[16:39] <Mossyfunk> It's encrypted user side and sent piecemeal to many different locations... key is private and never exists on remote location
[16:39] <Mossyfunk> I don't trust dropbox for shit but I use it for uni stuff lectures and that
[16:40] <Mossyfunk> I still prefer to keep my data on an encrypted drive in a draw somewhere
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[16:41] <Mossyfunk> I'm getting too paranoid haha just gonna have to stop using the internet altogether
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[17:31] <ScottO_> berg
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[18:22] <knob> Helloo!!!
[18:22] <knob> =D
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[18:40] <shaun413> hello
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[18:42] <RavenII> Hello all, I've got 2 issues.
[18:42] <RavenII> One is where if I get Wifi connected to my AP and disconnect my ethernet cable, it drops wifi also
[18:42] <RavenII> Has anyone got an idea as to what that might be caused by?
[18:42] <RavenII> When ethernet is connected, there are 2 separate IPs...
[18:44] <RavenII> The second is trying to figure out how I can get the UART pins recognized by an application as if it's an actual device.
[18:44] <biberao> hi
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[18:49] <RavenII> hello
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[19:03] <ScottO_> wtf
[19:03] <ScottO_> my pythons script isnt follwoing my schedule
[19:04] <ScottO_> its turning on, but then when its time to turn off, it doesnt seem to be working
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[19:04] <ScottO_> im thinking my infinite loop isnt infinite
[19:05] <ScottO_> maybe i should just have it run the script every minute
[19:05] <ScottO_> rather than try to keep it running
[19:06] <knob> RavenII,
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[19:06] <knob> If you connect via Ethernet, that's one IP. If you then connect via WiFi, that's a 2nd IP.
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[19:57] <biberao> yo
[19:58] <biberao> anyone here?
[19:58] <Boohbah> yes biberao
[19:58] <benami> no
[19:58] <benami> ;p
[19:58] <biberao> i need help
[19:58] <biberao> like i want to play 6 windows of omxplayer
[19:58] <biberao> but i can define the size properly
[19:58] <biberao> please help
[19:58] <biberao> :D
[19:59] <biberao> i want to fill the screen
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[20:00] <biberao> pguess not
[20:00] <biberao> :|
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[21:33] <DReynolds> Hi all. hope someone can help, i think i have a fundamental misunderstanding of the GPIO input (PI 2 B). I have a push-to-make switch connected between the +5v pin (pin 2) and what wiringpi numbers as GPIO 11 (pin 26). imm trying to read the buttonpress in software, but whenever i make the connection, it's powering off the pi. Comes back to life when i release
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[21:36] <shauno> don't suppose you can share a pic?
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[21:37] <DReynolds> I can, but it seems im way off base. .. been reading http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/projects/raspberrypi/tutorials/robot/buttons_and_switches/ and starting to realise that connecting 5v straight to a GPIO pin is NOT the way to go :P
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[21:38] <shauno> I made the mistake of assuming the pins were numbered like an IC, one row of 1-20 and one of 21-40. that could easily leave you mistaking 26 for 30 (30 being ground, would be a straight short)
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[21:40] <shauno> a straight button should work (but pulldowns don't hurt), but I usually use the button to bring the pin to zero, not to supply
[21:40] <DReynolds> hmmm, ill double check the numbering, but my breadboard is a bit of a mess atm so looking at it isnt going to help much :P (running an lcd too) .... im reading about pull up and pull down switches and hoping i have some resistors kicking around
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[21:44] <DReynolds> so. wiring 3.3v directly to the pin and using the switch to break that circuit?
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[21:55] <ElectricCrowbar> Trying a raspbian Jessie upgrade, wish me luck
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[21:58] <DReynolds> shauno: well, ive changed to GPIO pin 8 (next to +3.3) and its no longer powering off the pi when i make the circuit (+3.3 > Switch > GPIO8) ... but my program isnt detecting it. .. the function has 3 options for pin pull resistance (off/pull_up/pull_down) but none seem to make a difference
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[21:59] <shauno> well, it should be pull down (the button is pulling it to +ve, so you want something pulling the other way too)
[21:59] <shauno> horribly explained, but that's which way. difficult to take a random guess why it's not working though :)
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[22:01] <DReynolds> shauno: am i going to wreck the pin without instroducing seom resistors in here?
[22:01] <shauno> shouldn't do
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[22:02] <DReynolds> goo good, shop isnt open till tomorrow :)
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[22:02] <DReynolds> oops, hit close instead of minimise
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[22:56] <Berg> good morning evolving species
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