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IRC Log for 2015-09-09

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[0:00] <AlmtyBob> KB3VGW: looks like I'm either going to use an MCP3008 ADC or just use my Arduino to send the data via serial to my pi
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[0:03] <k_j> MonkehParade, does not work, i do not have any hdmi attached, but tvservice -s gives state 0x40001 [NTSC 4:3], 720x480 @ 60.00Hz, interlaced
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[0:04] <k_j> which is absurd
[0:05] <ShorTie> you sure, if no hdmi is attached at boot it switches to composite
[0:06] <k_j> no display is connected my rpi
[0:06] <ShorTie> ya, so it switches to composite
[0:07] <ShorTie> which would be NTSC 4:3 would it not ??
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[0:07] <k_j> i do not know...but then again, how do i know if a display is connected to my rpi?
[0:07] <ShorTie> you ??
[0:08] <k_j> you what
[0:08] <ShorTie> that is kinda easy since it is some hardware/cable that you connect
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[0:08] <k_j> programmatically
[0:09] <Mallot1> Hello
[0:10] <Mallot1> I saw online that the raspberry pi 2 model b takes 2 Amps is this true?
[0:10] <SpeedEvil> 'No'
[0:10] <ShorTie> not the actual rpi2
[0:10] <SpeedEvil> The Pi alone does not take nearly that current
[0:11] <SpeedEvil> If you plug in lots of stuff, then that is not impossible
[0:11] <SpeedEvil> USB mug-warmer, ...
[0:11] <mattrichardson> A 2 amp power supply will give you plenty of overhead for other peripherals.
[0:11] <SpeedEvil> yeah
[0:11] <ShorTie> foundation recommends 2.5 amp
[0:11] <SpeedEvil> And some margin for the '2A' supply not being 2A
[0:12] <Mallot1> Thanks, what does it take?
[0:14] <shiftplusone> Mallot1: what it needs. It depends on what you're doing with it.
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[0:14] <KB3VGW> shiftplusone, did you see the photos I posted
[0:14] <Mallot1> I ask this because I need to get a power charger that can fully charge the pi in 1 hour so we are looking at a 6v 16a power charger and 6v 16a battery if the pi takes 2amps
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[0:15] <KB3VGW> http://imgur.com/4bWytXE http://imgur.com/Pxc7Vv9 the writing on the 40pin is for the c1 but they are the same pin for pin
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[0:15] <KB3VGW> the pin out is the same on the 40 pin board the labeling is wrong
[0:15] <Mallot1> I meant 7v 16a power charger
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[0:17] <Mallot1> shiftplusone: Would all 4 USBs in use make 2A nessacary?
[0:17] <KB3VGW> that could kill it
[0:17] <KB3VGW> you need a downverter
[0:17] <shiftplusone> Mallot1: depends.
[0:17] <Mallot1> SpeedEvil: ^^
[0:18] <Mallot1> KB3VGW: How so?
[0:18] <KB3VGW> 7v 16 amps over drive
[0:18] <shiftplusone> KB3VGW: I don't have context here. If this is about the proto board, I don't have one to test and have never used an add-on audio board. I am useless here.
[0:18] <KB3VGW> ok
[0:19] <Mallot1> KB3VGW: The Raspberry Pi 2 model B takes 5v
[0:20] <KB3VGW> yes and 7v is overdrive
[0:20] <KB3VGW> so you dont want a chance of killing the board
[0:20] <Mallot1> KB3VGW: Oh alright, so 6v 16a?
[0:21] <KB3VGW> 5v
[0:21] <KB3VGW> 6v could do
[0:21] <Mallot1> Alright, but what about potential losses?
[0:21] <KB3VGW> but its better to use a stepdown to 5v 3 am
[0:21] <Mallot1> from 6v?
[0:22] <KB3VGW> not gonna happen I have a pi2 running gps and weather board usb wifi and usb sound
[0:22] <KB3VGW> 6v you might not need
[0:22] <KB3VGW> but if your going to put it on a batt and solar then use 12 and downstep to 5
[0:22] <Mallot1> Alright so go with5v
[0:22] <KB3VGW> your better off
[0:23] <Mallot1> So I can run from a usb wall adapter?
[0:23] <SpeedEvil> 5.25V max
[0:23] <SpeedEvil> yes
[0:23] <SpeedEvil> a quality 5V adaptor is a good starting point.
[0:23] <Mallot1> the pi
[0:23] <Mallot1> Alright so go to the USB Wall adapter
[0:24] <Mallot1> ?
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[0:26] <SpeedEvil> a 2A one. If you've got an old tablet charder that works well, use that
[0:26] <Mallot1> *him
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[0:27] <WACOMalt> If you have a Fry's Electronics store they carry one specifically for the Pi, 2.1Amp 5v exactly
[0:27] <WACOMalt> high quality one
[0:27] <Mallot1> I am using a regular USB cable to microusb cable and a USB wall adapter on the other side to power the pi
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[0:27] <WACOMalt> ...
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[0:49] <The_Cre8r> can someone help me wireup a tft display, i have thedatasheet
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[0:51] <pksato> The_Cre8r: very generic ask for help. More details, please.
[0:52] <The_Cre8r> i have a custom TFT monitor and want to learn how to make it compatable with the Rpi
[0:53] <KDDLB> hey there
[0:53] <The_Cre8r> http://pdf1.alldatasheet.com/datasheet-pdf/view/195194/ETC2/A070FW03.html
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[1:03] <pksato> The_Cre8r: Its is not a easy task. This is a raw display. No controller.
[1:04] <pksato> need lots of timming signal.
[1:04] <SpeedEvil> I recall use of DMA on GPIO to drive parallel interface TFT
[1:05] <The_Cre8r> i have all of the circuitry from the old radio it came out of, i am still leaning this stuff
[1:05] <Pinkamena_D> I have a raspberry pi with minimal debian installed. I have an issue I can't seem to find on google: sometimes I get 'connection refused' error when trying to ssh to the pi. This can usually be fixed by restarting the pi one or more times.
[1:05] <pksato> GERTs VGA666 is a good start point.
[1:06] <Pinkamena_D> However it is time wasting so I wonder what the fix might be? The problem is that it only happens sometimes.
[1:07] <Pinkamena_D> The same problem happens if I use wired or wireless internet connection. But I don't think the problem is the connection because I can always ping the pi correctly.
[1:08] <pksato> The_Cre8r: original circuity have a FPGA or ASIC to generate propper timming signals.
[1:09] <The_Cre8r> any way to tell the difference?
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[1:23] <KB3VGW> ok anyone have a update how to for the mini rtc for the raspi2
[1:24] <KB3VGW> I am writing into the raspi-config script to enable the rtc and disable the fake hwclock
[1:25] <KB3VGW> I am working to make the script have alot more function
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[1:25] <KB3VGW> including network config eth0/wlan0
[1:25] <KB3VGW> and other items it lacks
[1:26] <KB3VGW> wich the pi had a rtc built in
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[1:33] <Drew887121> Hello there, do you guys think a Pi 2 would be good enough for a small (max 20 clients at a time) LAMP stack + a git server?
[1:34] <traeak> Drew887121: why not? as long as you don't need to supporta ton of bandwidth
[1:34] <traeak> if orange pi pc ends up actually working with drivers, etc it might be a better choice, but still stuck at 10/100
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[1:35] <Drew887121> I was debating between the orange and the Pi2
[1:35] <Berg> Im confused
[1:35] <traeak> one of teh upgraded oranges has gigabit and sata
[1:35] <traeak> that would ensure that cpu is the bottleneck
[1:36] <traeak> odroid might work as well...but don't expect full gigabit throughput
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[1:36] <traeak> but rpi2 will be easiest to work with
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[1:38] <Drew887121> I don't think I'll need gigabit, thanks guys I think I'm gunna go with the Pi2 then.
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[1:45] <Berg> i think im gona buy 2 mnore rpi's
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[1:50] <KDDLB> Orange Pi?
[1:50] <KDDLB> what the heck
[1:50] <KDDLB> be more creative
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[1:51] <traeak> what's non creative about the orange pi? it looks like a 3 chip solution with builtin usb and ether phy on the SOC itself
[1:51] <traeak> what's not so creative is the allwinner brand on the SOC
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[1:51] <KDDLB> the freaking name
[1:51] <KDDLB> it's just another freaking frout
[1:51] <KDDLB> fruit
[1:52] <traeak> banana pi, etc
[1:52] <traeak> chinese love to copycat
[1:52] <KDDLB> yeah
[1:52] <KB3VGW> none of the fruit is a creatinve name
[1:52] <KB3VGW> A fruit is a fruit is a fruit
[1:53] <KB3VGW> mango pi
[1:53] <KB3VGW> peach pi
[1:53] <KB3VGW> or plum pi
[1:53] <KDDLB> but Raspberry Pi is the original
[1:53] <The_Cre8r> pksato: if i could get a
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[1:53] <KB3VGW> raspi needs a name change
[1:53] <The_Cre8r> pksato: display controller with the clock settings what else would i need to do
[1:53] <traeak> get past the name stuff, it's just a technicality and shoud reflect on the success of the rpi itself
[1:54] <KDDLB> also, hello again KB3VGW, QSL
[1:54] <KB3VGW> I dont need a board named after a fruit
[1:54] <The_Cre8r> pksato: http://www.futureelectronics.com/en/display-solutions/display-controller.aspx
[1:54] <KB3VGW> kb3vgw acknowledges KDDLB and marks him in the log as a contact
[1:55] <KDDLB> :D
[1:55] <KDDLB> I don't do amateur radio though
[1:55] <KB3VGW> lol
[1:55] <KDDLB> I just know that QSL means acknowledgment :P
[1:55] <KB3VGW> lol
[1:55] <KB3VGW> ok
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[1:57] <KB3VGW> I want a bananacream pi board topped with a cherry cream hat board
[1:57] <KB3VGW> running the mango cream os
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[1:58] <KDDLB> KB3VGW, nom
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[1:59] <KB3VGW> with the pecan oled hat display
[1:59] <KB3VGW> ok I am done
[1:59] <KB3VGW> lol
[2:00] <WACOMalt> Anyone in here using a PiDAC+ sound card?
[2:01] <KB3VGW> you have to enable the overlay in /boot/config.txt
[2:01] <WACOMalt> I did that, and its working
[2:01] <KB3VGW> ok
[2:01] <WACOMalt> just wondering if people get buffer underruns that completely lockup the pi
[2:01] <KB3VGW> nice to know my proto is not
[2:02] <WACOMalt> it only happens when I run in 96,000khz or more
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[2:02] <KB3VGW> have you checked to see what it supports
[2:02] <KB3VGW> that might be out of the current support range
[2:03] <KB3VGW> most the boards are proto and are still being tuned
[2:03] <WACOMalt> thats a very good point
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[2:04] <WACOMalt> KB3VGW, looks like that should be will within its range
[2:04] <WACOMalt> supports up to 24bit 192kHz
[2:05] <KB3VGW> ok
[2:05] <KB3VGW> the board might the kernel module might not
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[2:05] <WACOMalt> that could be
[2:05] <KB3VGW> but I have not played with the dac boards yet
[2:05] <WACOMalt> I need to look into low latency audio setups more
[2:06] <WACOMalt> ALSA is not the best option here for sure
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[2:06] <KB3VGW> grin
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[2:06] <WACOMalt> I've only messed with low latency on windows though
[2:06] <WACOMalt> ASIO and the like
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[2:06] <KB3VGW> I just need to get the wm8731 working so I know our board will interface ok
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[2:07] <KB3VGW> else we have to change out chips
[2:07] <WACOMalt> is that the same chip that was in the wolfson and cirrus cards?
[2:07] <KB3VGW> and they already got 10 wm8731 chips
[2:07] <KB3VGW> yes
[2:07] <KB3VGW> but I have the proto board and its not loading up
[2:08] <WACOMalt> ah
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[2:08] <WACOMalt> well I'm of no help there I'm afraid
[2:08] <KB3VGW> I have tried i2c and i2s
[2:08] <KB3VGW> i think I have to get a 2nd board
[2:09] <WACOMalt> bummer
[2:09] <KB3VGW> it ids the correct spot 001a
[2:09] <KB3VGW> on i2c bus
[2:09] <KB3VGW> so it should be loading the dtb
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[2:09] <KB3VGW> but it fails
[2:10] <WACOMalt> I honestly dont even know what i2c or i2s mean
[2:10] <WACOMalt> :E
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[2:11] <KDDLB> two wire general purpose/sound
[2:11] <KDDLB> :P
[2:11] <KB3VGW> https://ez.analog.com/thread/1161
[2:11] <knob> wikipedia it WACOMalt
[2:11] <KDDLB> Inter-Integrated Circuit
[2:11] <KDDLB> Integrated Interchip Sound
[2:11] <WACOMalt> knob, I'll wikipedia it once it's important for me to know ;)
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[2:12] <knob> super
[2:12] <WACOMalt> but I suppose messing with my card it would be beneficial to have some idea whats going on :P
[2:13] <MonkehParade> KB3VGW: I ran F3 on the sd card and according to it, only 300 mb is writable to it.
[2:14] <ponA> uhm, i encounter a bug on 15w35d, this is the only server i can test it on, so would someone please help me to confirm it?
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[2:16] <KB3VGW> monke sounds like a bad card
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[2:16] <KB3VGW> was that after reseting it to defualt
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[2:17] <KB3VGW> fdisk it back to 1 partition
[2:17] <KB3VGW> and tag it fat32 and format it
[2:17] <KB3VGW> then try again
[2:17] <KB3VGW> pona explain the issue
[2:18] <KB3VGW> and have you updated the unit
[2:18] <ponA> okay, fuck, this was totally on the wrong channel
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[2:18] <KB3VGW> to see if there are newer pkgs
[2:18] <ponA> it was about a game, sorry to have bothered you!
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[2:21] <KB3VGW> ok time to call it and toss the wm8731 in the electro pile
[2:21] <KB3VGW> I am done
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[5:30] <Mallot1> how much current do I need to run the raspberry pi 2 model b?>
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[5:30] <Mallot1> I am using all of the USB ports
[5:30] <shiftplusone> The answer hasn't changed
[5:31] <Mallot1> shiftplusone: Cool, What was it
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[5:31] <shiftplusone> depends
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[5:31] <Mallot1> On what
[5:31] <shiftplusone> On how much those usb devices draw, what the pi is doing at the time, what the overclock settings are and so on
[5:32] <Mallot1> The regular overclock setting on the PI what ever they are
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[5:32] <Mallot1> shiftplusone: I am using a USB SD Card Reader, a arduino, and I think thats it
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[5:35] <Mallot1> shiftplusone: An Arduino Uno
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[5:36] <shiftplusone> rough ballpark guess... about 500mA?
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[5:37] <Mallot1> shiftplusone: Do you know how I could calculate it?
[5:37] <Mallot1> So how much current does the Raspberry Pi 2 Model B take without any USB?
[5:38] <Mallot1> I'll use ohm
[5:38] <Mallot1> s law on the USB peripherals
[5:38] <shiftplusone> again, depends on what it's doing and I don't remember off the top of my head. something like 100-300mA
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[5:38] <shiftplusone> you can't use ohm's law because you don't know the 'R'.
[5:39] <Mallot1> I can get the specs on the USB peripherals I am using
[5:39] <shiftplusone> Some of the devices will tell you the max I, but they'll lie.
[5:39] <Mallot1> Oh I see
[5:39] <Mallot1> Luckily my Raspberry Pi 2 Model B comes in tommorow :D
[5:40] <Mallot1> Then I can calculate all that stuff with a multimeter
[5:41] <warpie> Mallot1: use a powered USB hub.
[5:42] <Mallot1> warpie: I would but I am making a portable device
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[5:42] <shiftplusone> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/191685594098
[5:42] <Mallot1> so I can't fit a USB Hub inside
[5:42] <shiftplusone> something like that would be very handy... handier than a multimeter.
[5:42] <shiftplusone> might not be as accurate, but you don't need accuracy here.
[5:42] <warpie> ok sorry
[5:43] <Mallot1> shiftplusone: That looks great :) I am down to $10 USB
[5:44] <Mallot1> *$10 USD so I can't get it
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[5:44] <shiftplusone> just look for the same thing local to you
[5:44] <shiftplusone> it's like a few dollar item
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[5:45] <Mallot1> I need to figure out the current for my project, and then find a power supply and battery that will allow a 1hour charging time for 8hours of usage
[5:45] <Mallot1> warpie: It's alright, no harm done :)
[5:45] <Mallot1> shiftplusone: Your right I'll look for one locally
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[5:48] <Mallot1> shiftplusone: Found one :) https://www.google.com/search?q=Mini+Voltage+Current+Detector+USB+Mobile+Power+Charger+Digital+Meter+Tester&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8#q=Mini+Voltage+Current+Detector+USB+Mobile+Power+Charger+Digital+Meter+Tester&tbs=vw:l,mr:1,price:1,ppr_max:5,p_ord:p&tbm=shop&spd=3602963612260399659
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[5:50] <Mallot1> Does anyone know when the RasPi 2 Model B came out? I am looking at this article and I am trying to see if the rasPi 2 fits in the group: https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=63&t=6050&start=50
[5:53] <warpie> you mean the pi B-2?
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[5:57] <Mallot1> warpie: I think so, not the B+ though
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[6:00] <warpie> ok look in www.amazon.com and key in the search box canakit pi.
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[6:05] <Mallot1> warpie: Alright
[6:05] <warpie> mine was $69
[6:05] <warpie> the pi, pi case, PSU, and wifi dongle
[6:06] <Mallot1> warpie: Nice, mine was $49 total for the pie itself
[6:07] <warpie> I see.. that's a steep price just for a pi
[6:08] <Mallot1> warpie: $9 shipping
[6:08] <warpie> if you go to www.element14.com it's $35
[6:08] <Mallot1> The pi itself was $35
[6:08] <Mallot1> aw man
[6:08] <Mallot1> I brought from adafruit
[6:08] <warpie> ok, yeh adafruit is more
[6:09] <warpie> but I like the canakit best
[6:09] <Mallot1> shoot oh well :D
[6:09] <warpie> sorry
[6:09] <warpie> I have 6 pi's
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[6:10] <warpie> I am talking to you on a pi model B ver 1....
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[6:10] <warpie> in Konversation client
[6:11] <warpie> my pi B-2 has Ubuntu 15.04 as its OS
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[6:15] <Mallot1> warpie: Oh sweet!
[6:15] <Mallot1> warpie: How many USB devices?
[6:15] <warpie> lots
[6:15] <Mallot1> warpie: How's the current?
[6:16] <warpie> unos, quickstarts,
[6:16] <Mallot1> I gtg in like 30 seconds sorry man :(
[6:16] <warpie> I use powered USB hubs on all of them
[6:16] <warpie> ok bye
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[9:09] <MonkehParade> Have you guys tried https://osmc.tv/ on your raspberry pi? how is it?
[9:09] <MonkehParade> i hear it's based on Kodi
[9:10] <Lartza> How is it different from Kodi :S
[9:10] <Lartza> MonkehParade, I am seeing it literally IS Kodi
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[9:10] <Lartza> Installed on top of Debian
[9:11] <Lartza> Nothing bad with that but
[9:11] <Lartza> Yeah, https://osmc.tv/help/wiki/kodi-osmc
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[9:11] <Lartza> I looked at that but I didn't ever use it, should work just fine as a media center :D
[9:12] <Lartza> I use OpenELEC myself when I want Kodi since it seems to be a bit leaner
[9:12] <MonkehParade> I hear its a lot more stable
[9:12] <Lartza> Which one?
[9:13] <MonkehParade> OSMC
[9:14] <Lartza> I don't see why but, maybe
[9:14] <Lartza> It works a lot different and you can do more with it than OpenELEC
[9:15] <MonkehParade> My friend tried Kodi, RasbiXBMC and OSMC and he found OSMC to be a lot leaner and stable
[9:15] <MonkehParade> I'm going to try it out.
[9:15] <Lartza> It really depends on what you want, wether you want OSMC or not :)
[9:15] <Lartza> Kodi as in OpenELEC?
[9:15] <MonkehParade> I'll try and let you guys know.
[9:15] <Lartza> Since OSMC = Kodi, RaspbiXBMC = Kodi :P
[9:16] <Lartza> Hell, you can install Kodi on Raspbian and Ubuntu too, and Arch ;)
[9:16] <Lartza> OpenELEC could be less stable if something is wrong with it, but it runs less stuff in the background than OSMC
[9:16] <Lartza> Try and see what fits you :)
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[9:32] <d3fault_> can my usb power bank (anker astro) with 'usb 5v 2A out' power my usb hub (pluggable) that wants 'dc 5v 3A in' if I use a 'usb to type n barrel' power cable like this one: http://www.walmart.com/ip/StarTech-1m-USB-to-Type-N-Barrel-5V-DC-Power-Cable-Universal/22081650 ? or will this result in a giant explosion?
[9:33] <Lartza> It wants 3A, so it won't fully work at least
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[9:36] <d3fault_> Lartza: I realize I'd be limited to 2A. but given that, will it work "partially" (without breaking it at least)?
[9:36] <Lartza> Maybe
[9:37] <Lartza> It shouldn't break, a HDD connected to it for example could break due to power issues but
[9:37] <Lartza> Not the hub I wouldn't think
[9:37] <Lartza> Hmm
[9:37] <Lartza> Polarity needs to be same too
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[9:38] <d3fault_> nor the pi etc. yea i was mainly just wanting the hub for more thumb drives, kb mouse etc, nothing too high power. sry i'm an electronics noob xD
[9:38] <d3fault_> polarity? see you lost me already xD. i know they're plus and minus but eh i don't see how that's related /noob
[9:38] <Lartza> Wether plus is in the middle of the barrel connector or the edge
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[9:39] <Lartza> d3fault_, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polarity_symbols
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[9:47] <MonkehParade> Lartza: Out of all those media centers, which is more customizable?
[9:48] <Lartza> MonkehParade, Kodi is the same in each, OpenELEC doesn't have a full distro behind it so it can't do other stuff
[9:48] <Lartza> OSMC is like running Debian
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[9:49] <d3fault_> thx Lartza I learned something today and confirmed they both have positive center polarity. *buys*
[9:50] <Lartza> Even I didn't manage to confirm that :D Though I didn't try very hard
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[10:20] <pablerkas> hello guys. I've broken my pi so i need some easy help: could you tell me what groups is your user pi in? Just log in your raspberry with your user pi and execute "groups". Thanks!
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[10:20] <Lartza> Raspbian?
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[10:27] <pablerkas> yes, Lartza
[10:29] <Lartza> What issues are you having? You should maybe only be in the "pi" group
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[10:31] <pablerkas> mmm the issue is that due to some ClamAV errors i tried to add pi to clamav group and in the process i think i deleted all the rest
[10:31] <Lartza> What command did you use?
[10:31] <pablerkas> right now pi is in pi and clamav, but i think i remember that it was in more
[10:32] <pablerkas> sudo usermod -G clamav pi
[10:32] <Lartza> Yeah that removes the rest... also pi doesn't need to be defined there
[10:33] <pablerkas> that was one of them actually, i used several because i thought changes would take effect immediately, and then i read that you have to log out and in again
[10:33] <Lartza> You don't have to log out for changes to take effect
[10:33] <Lartza> Well, it's not that simple actually :P
[10:34] <pablerkas> the command groups showed different things after logging out and in... but i did not take a screenshot of "before"
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[11:58] <tjcarter> Congratulations, pretty much all web browsers on the Pi are unsecure, yay!
[11:58] * tjcarter sighs :)
[12:00] <tjcarter> Or more properly, if any vulnerability is found, it will not be fixed.
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[12:15] <meshugga> heyo
[12:18] <Lartza> tjcarter, What?
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[12:29] <tjcarter> Lartza: Debian has released a package for wheezy which is now in Raspbian to tell you about packages Debian cannot and will not maintain security patches for going forward.
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[12:29] <tjcarter> Ancient versions of webkit used by pretty much everything in Raspbian are at the top of that list.
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[12:30] <Lartza> Luckily there is jessie
[12:31] <Lartza> And stretch and buster
[12:32] <tjcarter> Raspbian is still wheezy though
[12:33] <tjcarter> My point being that it's kinda time to do something about that.
[12:33] <Lartza> Sure, yeah
[12:33] <Lartza> Probably already something being done
[12:33] <Lartza> You can upgrade to jessie yourself if you want
[12:33] <at0m> i'm on stretch even
[12:34] <tjcarter> Sadly, I can't, but that's because I need to keep this kinda fragile pile of unpackaged crud I didn't write working until I can figure out how it works and package it so that it can begin to get ported.
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[12:41] <nid0> why is debian ceasing maintenance of certain wheezy packages long before wheezy's eol date?
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[12:48] <tjcarter> nid0: No upstream security support coupled with the difficulty of backports for certain packages.
[12:49] <tjcarter> nid0: Upstream has completely abandoned the version of webkit used in wheezy, and changes render it impossible to port the changes back without rather deep knowledge of both the old and new versions of webkit.
[12:49] <tjcarter> So instead they're warning you to stop using it.
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[14:02] <djazz> fm tuner + 7-segment display :3 http://i.imgur.com/7iz9e3k.jpg
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[15:24] <Apocx> This is a cool little module: http://lm-technologies.com/product/wifi-and-bluetooth-usb-module-4-0-dual-mode-class-1-lm811/
[15:24] <Apocx> Going to buy a couple and play with them
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[15:31] <KB3VGW> nice you going to make a router ?
[15:31] <KB3VGW> that will have bt and wifi connections
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[15:42] <biberao> yo
[15:43] <biberao> is there a way to make rpi good as pvr?
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[15:43] <biberao> or record from hdmi?=
[15:43] <IT_Sean> The HDMI port is an output, not an input.
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[15:43] <biberao> i know
[15:44] <zer0her0> That HDMI is output only, HDMI is not a 2 way spec.
[15:44] <biberao> i need to record whats playing on tv
[15:44] <zer0her0> at least not the video aspect of it.
[15:44] <IT_Sean> In order to record any sort of video, you would need some sort of video capture device.
[15:44] <biberao> ok
[15:44] <biberao> advise any to couple with the pi?
[15:44] <at0m> biberao: hdmi input bandwidth over usb? hmmm
[15:45] <biberao> you tell me
[15:45] <IT_Sean> yeah, that's gonna be.... less than ideal.
[15:45] <biberao> then forget about the pi for that?
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[15:45] <at0m> biberao: the pi has LAN/USB ports/... on usb hub internally
[15:45] <zer0her0> not to mention writing to HDD over same USB
[15:46] <biberao> maybe equip my pc with a card like that?
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[15:46] <at0m> beagleboard has dedi usb busses afaik
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[16:24] <Apocx> KB3VGW: Yeah the device has 4G LTE so that module will act as a BT interface for a BT OBD-II reader and the Wifi will act as a wireless access point for the car
[16:24] <Apocx> My device has 4G LTE I mean, not the module
[16:24] <KB3VGW> thats a lte
[16:24] <KB3VGW> ok
[16:24] <KB3VGW> ok
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[16:25] <Apocx> Now to find a decent high-speed USB hub controller IC that Mouser/Digikey actually stocks...
[16:25] <KDDLB> qsl KB3VGW
[16:25] <KDDLB> :P
[16:25] <Apocx> They seem to only like carrying full-speed hubs
[16:27] <KB3VGW> he KDDLB
[16:27] <KB3VGW> he/hey
[16:28] <KDDLB> yes I'm a he
[16:28] <KDDLB> and hey
[16:28] <KB3VGW> ok so waiting for hardware to get here
[16:28] <KB3VGW> its killing me
[16:28] <Apocx> I know
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[16:28] <Apocx> I'm a software guy, I can't stand this waiting for hardware to arrive crap
[16:28] <Apocx> I'm way too impatient for that :P
[16:29] <zer0her0> Apocx, you need hardware to run the software though! ;)
[16:29] <Apocx> That module I linked is in a UK warehouse and will take a solid two weeks or so to get here
[16:29] <Apocx> I know :(
[16:29] <Apocx> Software is so much more instant gratification, I've been spoiled
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[16:30] <IT_Sean> I'm assuming you are a leftpondian, Apocx?
[16:30] <Apocx> And when I order from anywhere other than Amazon I can't get it shipped overnight for $3
[16:30] <Apocx> Yes :)
[16:30] <zer0her0> well now that there's the internet! Back in my day software came at the same speed as the hardware, and hell most of the time you had to go out to a store to pick it up
[16:30] <IT_Sean> So, you are complaining that it'll take two weeks to get a part to you, from a third of the way around the world?
[16:30] <KDDLB> heh
[16:31] <Apocx> Not really, I understand why it'll take that long
[16:31] <KDDLB> I'm waiting for my Raspi
[16:31] <Apocx> But doesn't mean I have to be happy about it :P
[16:31] <IT_Sean> be thankful that it'll only take that long.
[16:31] <Apocx> I'm just too accustomed to getting stuff next-day through Amazon
[16:31] <Apocx> Like I said, I've been spoiled
[16:31] <zer0her0> I just ordered new Pi stuff, wish I'd known the display was coming out, but then i'd have to wait a few weeks for that as well :(
[16:33] <KB3VGW> lol
[16:33] <nid0> im the same really, part of me says "do we really want our lives governed by one retailer" but then the other part of me says "well this sucks, the bit I ordered off ebay has taken 5 %@&£ days to arrive, why couldn't they sell that on amazon so's I could have it next day with a 1 hour delivery slot, free"
[16:33] <KB3VGW> well I have to get things moving forward but I cant with out hardware and the new soldering station
[16:33] <IT_Sean> nid0: careful there. The channel language policy does list senf censorship "****" as a kickable offense.
[16:33] <Apocx> Yeah. On the one hand I detest my utter reliance on Amazon, but on the other hand...only having to wait 24hours for what I bought online is amazing.
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[16:34] <IT_Sean> I do like having stuff ariive quickly.
[16:34] <Apocx> I just wish I had more brick and mortar stores that offered the kinds of things I want to buy
[16:34] <IT_Sean> Unfortunatly, a lot of Pi stuff is not sold on amazon.
[16:34] <Apocx> like why can't there be a digikey warehouse down the street ;)
[16:34] <IT_Sean> Apocx: Move down the street to a digikey warehouse.
[16:34] <KB3VGW> yes I agree the old radio shack days when you could buy the parts you needed
[16:34] <Apocx> :P
[16:34] <KB3VGW> or local electronic shop
[16:34] <KB3VGW> but they are all gone
[16:35] <zer0her0> yea the one time I bought Arduino stuff on Amazon, it turned out to be a knock off board.
[16:35] <Apocx> Yeah I'm a bit sad all my local radioshacks closed down
[16:35] <Apocx> to be fair they were very over priced
[16:35] <nid0> turns out on amazon I *can* get plastic pipework to go with my pi-connected smoke machine but *not* metal pipework, which will actually withstand the heat :(
[16:35] <Apocx> but I could pick stuff up right as I needed it
[16:35] <zer0her0> we just got a maker space one town over, i'm hoping they'll carry some electronics stuff
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[16:35] <nid0> my recent amazon history is really wierd.
[16:35] <zer0her0> and/or Adafruit would open a retail space, i'd take the 2 hour trip to shop their (though I guess there are a bunch of other electronic shops in/around NYC)
[16:35] <Apocx> I've ordered plenty of Pis on Amazon
[16:35] <Apocx> Never had issues
[16:35] <KB3VGW> so now you oder and wait
[16:36] <Apocx> Just have to make sure you are going with a decent seller
[16:36] <KB3VGW> Unless you buy in large quanity and leave it all sitting around and going to waiste while you dont use it
[16:36] <Apocx> pretty much
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[16:38] <KB3VGW> 3 pkgs say out for delivery
[16:38] <KB3VGW> but 5 still in limbo
[16:38] <zer0her0> Apocx, this was just as Arduino was getting big and it was the first time I saw one on Amazon at the time, the seller had 4.5 stars i believe.
[16:38] <Apocx> Ah gotcha
[16:40] <Apocx> Welp time to suck it up and order this module. They only carry stock for it in their UK warehouse, so I'll see it in 2 weeks time I guess
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[16:40] <zer0her0> see you in 2 weeks Apocx
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[16:41] <Apocx> Yeah. On the brightside it'll give me time to finish and make the PCB design
[16:41] <zer0her0> nice, whatcha designing?
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[16:42] <Apocx> I'm making a board for the Pi Compute module. Adding a powered 7-port USB hub, wifi/bt (through that module), and 4G LTE
[16:42] <Apocx> My prototype with the Pi 2 is done, so moving to the next phase
[16:42] <Apocx> the hub will be integrated on the pcb
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[16:42] <zer0her0> very nice, open sourcing the design or planning to sell it? or just personal use?
[16:43] <Apocx> it's for a customer, so selling it
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[16:43] <zer0her0> gotcha
[16:43] <Apocx> basically to replace their current vehicle tracking modems, which fail every other day
[16:43] <KB3VGW> ardunio is nice but underpowered for what we do
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[16:44] <Apocx> I've got the prototype installed in my car, works beautifully
[16:44] <Apocx> Used fuse taps so I don't even have to make it a permanent install, very easy to use and safe
[16:44] <Apocx> all the wiring is hidden out of sight
[16:44] <zer0her0> KB3VGW, agreed, i've moved almost all my projects from Arduino to RPi at this point.
[16:45] <zer0her0> as they're just hobby things anyway it's easier all around.
[16:45] <KB3VGW> I spend more time on my c1 execpt for this 1 project
[16:45] <zer0her0> c1?
[16:45] <zer0her0> Apocx, very nice.
[16:45] <Apocx> RPI clone
[16:45] <Apocx> Odroid C1+
[16:45] <KB3VGW> and I soon will hand it off and go back to developing the board for the c1+
[16:45] <KB3VGW> more power
[16:45] <Apocx> How do you like the Odroids
[16:45] <Apocx> are they supported well?
[16:45] <zer0her0> ah right right.
[16:46] <KB3VGW> diff cpu and has been around as long
[16:46] <KB3VGW> its not a clone of the pi
[16:46] <KB3VGW> yes
[16:46] <Apocx> I know, just a similar board
[16:46] <KB3VGW> yes
[16:46] <KB3VGW> diff gpio and now they split the i2s out
[16:46] <KB3VGW> also more diff boards
[16:46] <Stanto> "KB3VGW> its not a clone of the pi" it kinda is, they used to use the broadcom cpu before they were no longer sold it.
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[16:47] <KB3VGW> I have a x2/u2/u3/x2/xu3 and soon a xu4
[16:47] <zer0her0> in case you guys haven't seen it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZHRhiCPXFIA
[16:47] <KB3VGW> no
[16:47] <zer0her0> interview w/ Eben Upton
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[16:47] <Stanto> "Apocx> I'm making a board for the Pi Compute module" ooh cool , I haven't heard many people using the compute
[16:47] <KB3VGW> the only board that used the bcm hip was the mini board
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[16:47] <zer0her0> wow didn't know the sensors for the camera modules had been EoLed.
[16:48] <KB3VGW> all the big boards use the samsung chip and always have
[16:48] <Apocx> yeah I've only seen a couple. That GIF camera (OTTO or something) and a IoT device by Wireless Things
[16:48] <zer0her0> Stanto, exactly what I thought.
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[16:48] <Apocx> I really like the compute module, been playing around with it using the dev board
[16:48] <Apocx> it's so tiny :D
[16:49] <KB3VGW> the odroid w was the only one to use the bcm chip that was used to make a wrist worn unit
[16:49] <zer0her0> yea i'm tempted to pick one up.
[16:49] <KB3VGW> the w is now dead
[16:49] <Apocx> we don't need physical USB ports or HDMI or anything, so the compute module is better for us
[16:49] <Stanto> Apocx: the pi guys at element14 were interested in seeing more people use the compute and what it'd be used for
[16:49] <KB3VGW> as the bcm chip is gone
[16:50] <Apocx> well I'll let them know when we are done
[16:50] <KB3VGW> I want to get a chip and design our board with out the usb ports
[16:50] <Apocx> if the final product is decent enough we may sell it to the public
[16:50] <KB3VGW> we dont need usb
[16:50] <Apocx> though right now we are focusing on just our clients
[16:51] <KB3VGW> I want to put the cpu on our big board in dev
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[16:51] <Stanto> Apocx: sure, they appreciate seeing case studies of it in use though.
[16:51] <Apocx> yeah
[16:51] <Apocx> I'm hoping they'll release the Compute 2 one day soon
[16:51] <Apocx> not sure if they've even officially announced it but people have been discussing it on the forums
[16:52] <zer0her0> Apocx in the interview I just posted he said it's just the limitation about the number of chips they can get from broadcom
[16:52] <Apocx> hey they just mentioned it in this video you linked :D
[16:52] <zer0her0> same w/ an updated Model A
[16:52] <Apocx> great timing
[16:52] <Apocx> Not in Q4 he says
[16:52] <Apocx> But I guess they're looking at it
[16:53] <zer0her0> yea, it looks like it might be a while out still.
[16:53] <KDDLB> I wonder
[16:53] <KDDLB> what do you guys use your Pis for
[16:53] <Apocx> That's alright, we don't really need the extra power or anything
[16:53] <Apocx> and it will be a drop in replacement supposedly so when it does come out we can just seamlessly upgrade
[16:53] <nid0> I have my pi's in various projects
[16:53] <Apocx> Same
[16:53] <nid0> one runs a party-oriented home automation system
[16:53] <nid0> one's a seedbox
[16:53] <zer0her0> currently mine is crunching market data for Elite Dangerous. I have a couple plans for garden and art projects (why i ordered a couple more)
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[16:54] <Apocx> My latest personal project was a system to intercept signals from my wireless doorbells and popup notifications on all the computers at my office. It even shows the camera feed for that particular door :D
[16:54] <Apocx> I have the backdoor playing the jetson doorbell sound
[16:54] <Apocx> hehe
[16:54] <KDDLB> that's cool
[16:54] <KDDLB> I guess =P
[16:55] <KDDLB> I have this idea of a weather station with a camera pointing at the sky
[16:55] <Apocx> our doorbell system sucked, it was sorely needed
[16:55] <KDDLB> so that it can return the image from the camera overlaid with weather info
[16:55] <zer0her0> Apocx, nice I want something like that and then be able to unlock our front door so the delivery guy can leave the package inside it if we're both at work.
[16:55] <KB3VGW> ok
[16:56] <KB3VGW> where is theis fedex/ups/usps trucks
[16:56] <KB3VGW> I am abotu to go crazy
[16:56] <zer0her0> hehe
[16:56] <Apocx> That'd be awesome. Though I wouldn't trust my delivery driver around here
[16:56] <IT_Sean> that ^
[16:56] <KDDLB> KB3VGW how long have you been doing ham radio?
[16:56] <zer0her0> Apocx, we have 2 sets of doors, he wouldn't be able to do anything except take our shoes...
[16:56] <KB3VGW> I whould make a locked bod
[16:57] <Apocx> ah that makes sense
[16:57] <IT_Sean> ahh
[16:57] <KB3VGW> box that you can unlock remotly
[16:57] <zer0her0> KB3VGW, i've also thought of that.
[16:57] <IT_Sean> But... what if your delivery driver has some kind of odd shoe fetish?
[16:57] <Apocx> just a risk he has to take
[16:57] <zer0her0> IT_Sean, i guess i'm glad i was able to help him on some level...
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[16:57] <KB3VGW> this is my 2nd run as a hom
[16:57] <KB3VGW> ham
[16:57] <KDDLB> hmm
[16:57] <KB3VGW> I did it for 8 years and let it lapse
[16:58] <KB3VGW> and then now I have had it again for 5 years
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[16:58] <KDDLB> interesting
[16:58] <KB3VGW> and I am working to get my extra
[16:58] <KB3VGW> before time comes to renew
[16:58] <KB3VGW> in 2020
[16:58] <KDDLB> extra what?
[16:58] <KDDLB> extra power?
[16:59] <zer0her0> ouch, that aluminum case for the astropi would cost about 1k if they were to sell it.
[16:59] <Apocx> wow
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[16:59] <KB3VGW> 1500
[16:59] <KB3VGW> US legal limit
[17:00] <IT_Sean> 1500 what? dollars? pounds? euros? eggplants?
[17:00] <KDDLB> watts?
[17:00] <IT_Sean> acorns?
[17:00] <KB3VGW> watts
[17:00] <IT_Sean> ooh.
[17:00] <zer0her0> I think KB3VGW is talking about something else.
[17:00] <KB3VGW> dorrbell brb
[17:00] <Apocx> indeed
[17:00] <IT_Sean> clearly.
[17:00] <IT_Sean> ahh... he's aradio nerd.
[17:00] <IT_Sean> *a radio
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[17:01] <Armand> IRC = Many nerds. :P
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[17:01] <KB3VGW> not a nerd a geek
[17:01] <KB3VGW> get it right
[17:02] <KDDLB> I don't consider myself a nerd/geek, for that matter
[17:02] <KB3VGW> lol
[17:02] <zer0her0> HERETIC!
[17:02] <Armand> KB3VGW: You have NO idea how many times I've had to say that. :P
[17:02] <tr0p> hi, does anybody know what the maximum Power is the Zener/Overvoltage protection of the RPi2 can take?
[17:02] <KB3VGW> ok well the triod/diods/and resisters came
[17:02] <KB3VGW> now wating on the board
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[17:06] <nid0> lots of win10 IoT downloads apparently according to eben
[17:07] <zer0her0> nid0 haha we're at the same spot
[17:07] <nid0> probably followed by 95% of the people downloading it saying "wat, no desktop?"
[17:07] <zer0her0> yep exactly what i thought as well.
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[17:07] <Apocx> yeah Win10 IoT is interesting but not sure it's really worth using at this point
[17:07] <nid0> well, its software for embedded uses
[17:08] <KB3VGW> I need reflow solder
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[17:08] <Apocx> if it's anything like Windows 10 desktop it'll probably bluescreen constantly :v
[17:08] <IT_Sean> tr0p: are you referring to the power input? If so, the input voltage should be 4.75 - 5.25vDC.
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[17:08] <Apocx> joking, joking.
[17:08] <KDDLB> I'd feel more comfortable coding for Windows 10
[17:08] <KB3VGW> and getting it is like dancing with a bull
[17:08] <KB3VGW> I have windows 10 and it has not blue screened at all
[17:08] <KB3VGW> I have been a tester for it for over a year
[17:09] <KB3VGW> and its stable
[17:09] * KDDLB high fives KB3VGW
[17:09] <Apocx> Windows 8 was terrible, 10 is quite a bit better but I've still noticed some problems that make me stay on Win7
[17:09] <KB3VGW> beople complain to stress the coders out
[17:09] <zer0her0> yea i've only had one crash, my brother (who did a clean install) has had nothing but crashes, ended up having to do a second clean install to get it working.
[17:09] <nid0> win8 was fine
[17:09] <Apocx> It was not :/
[17:09] * ShorTie thinkz, voltage is NOT power
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[17:09] <IT_Sean> win8 was terrible.
[17:09] <zer0her0> win8 ui/ux was a mess!
[17:09] <KB3VGW> I have done over 150 installs of 10 and n issues
[17:09] <Apocx> Windows 8 had fundamental problems
[17:10] <IT_Sean> Apocx: all of it.
[17:10] <Apocx> with file explorer, network sharing, UI, et
[17:10] <Apocx> etc
[17:10] <nid0> my win8 desktop looked/worked exactly the same as win7 in every way that mattered to me
[17:10] <KB3VGW> 8/8.1 had many issues
[17:10] <IT_Sean> Windows 8 should have been flushed down a toilet, and never spoken of again.
[17:10] <Apocx> it also amused me when Windows 8 corrupted its own registry a day after install. and it doesn't back up the registry until 10 days after install.
[17:10] <Apocx> so I had to reinstall it
[17:10] <nid0> frankly, for day to day use win10 currently annoys me more because it has no way to disable hot corner stickiness, where win8 did.
[17:11] <zer0her0> nid0, hell even upgrading to Win10 was the perfect example of the UX/UI problem, there were 2 places to get software updates in Win8.1 and one would error out on the upgrade and one would install fine.
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[17:11] <Apocx> but I think Windows 10 will be great after a few patches and updates
[17:11] <Apocx> definitely a step in the right direction
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[17:11] <Apocx> but I'll remain on Windows 7 for a year or so yet
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[17:12] <Stanto> "Apocx> But I guess they're looking at it" The problem has been in part, the lack of the use of the Compute, but my feedback has been "well, it's pretty underpowered and people were hoping for the Pi 2"
[17:12] <Armand> I'll stick with Win7 until I stop playing games on it. :P
[17:12] <Apocx> aha
[17:12] <Apocx> Yeah true Armand
[17:13] <Apocx> I hope they don't just stop the Compute line completely because they don't think anyone uses it :/
[17:13] <Armand> Most of my favourites are on Linux now, so there's not much point for me in the longer term.
[17:13] <zer0her0> My windows box is just for gaming. Though Win7 isn't getting the new DirectX?
[17:13] <Stanto> Apocx: money governs a lot of things
[17:13] <Armand> zer0her0: Don't think so
[17:13] <Apocx> Yeah I know, but we went with the Compute because we figured it'd be longer lasting than some random chinese SoM board
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[17:15] <Apocx> digital signage is apparently big with the compute module he says
[17:15] <Apocx> so there's hope yet
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[17:17] <Apocx> if its a third of their market I don't think it'll be going anywhere
[17:17] <KB3VGW> ok the solderglue will be what I have to use on the fost board
[17:18] <KB3VGW> fost/first
[17:18] <KB3VGW> my reflow is empty and I need to find a place to order
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[17:21] <zer0her0> hahaha last question, "are you related to Jason Statham?"
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[17:25] <KB3VGW> ?
[17:25] <KB3VGW> me no
[17:26] <Davespice> In about an hour the Queen will become the longest reigning British monarch of all time
[17:26] <zer0her0> KB3VGW, no that's the question they asked Eben Upton, the CEO of the Raspberry foundation.
[17:26] <zer0her0> I do admit when I first saw an image of him, I went what's Jason Statham doing working on electronics/computers?!?
[17:27] <Armand> Davespice: Not if my earlier phonecall has anything to do with it. ;)
[17:27] <IT_Sean> Davespice: unless something happens in the next hour!
[17:27] <Armand> ^
[17:27] <zer0her0> haha
[17:27] <Armand> "Anything can happen in the next half hour!"
[17:27] * IT_Sean warms up the targeting systems on his orbital weapons array
[17:27] * Armand sets IT_Sean's targeting system to wide-spread...
[17:28] <nid0> good job you're not in the US Armand, they'd probably be kicking down your door about now
[17:28] <Davespice> Don't you dare Sean, I warned you about this before! =)
[17:28] <Armand> Might as well get some bonus kills.. parliment and all. ;)
[17:28] <IT_Sean> ssh sean@orbitalweps.remote$ sudo FIRE -c "GodSaveTheQueen"
[17:28] <Armand> Hehehee
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[17:29] <Armand> nid0: I doubt the US govn. would care much about the Queen. :P
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[17:29] <IT_Sean> Davespice: too late.
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[17:32] <Davespice> Okay well. Let's get one thing straight. If the Queen decided she wanted to go out and take back the Empire then Canada would join us immediately and USA would be first on the hit list =)
[17:33] <IT_Sean> You think we're afraid of canada? Oh no... three mounties in a row boat! /sarcasm
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[17:34] <Davespice> Here yeah and you might get a strongly worded letter from he UK government
[17:34] <IT_Sean> LOL!
[17:34] <IT_Sean> Oh no, a strongly worded letter!
[17:34] <IT_Sean> I, for one, welcome our new tea-drinking overlords.
[17:35] <zer0her0> Actually from my friends in the military, some of the most hardcore people they met in Afghanistan/Iraq were Canadian military.
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[17:36] <Armand> IT_Sean: Well played, Sir.
[17:38] <IT_Sean> Armand: thank you.
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[17:39] <Armand> I, for one, can't wait to get a US passport. :P
[17:42] <traeak> ugh you remind me that i need to renew mine..i let it expire
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[17:42] <traeak> although since i have wheat, parsley/carrot/celery and bean allergies i'm scared of travelling most anywhere
[17:43] <Armand> traeak: I'll have to wait about.. 8 years ?
[17:43] <traeak> Armand: hmm? you aren't a acitizen or ?
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[17:43] <Armand> Nope.. We're getting my wife's UK citizenship first.
[17:44] <Armand> That's 5 years.
[17:44] <traeak> easy to get green card if you have UK citizenship?
[17:44] <nid0> 5 years, despite being married to you?
[17:45] <traeak> i know some chinese will go to canada, get a citizenship there then use that to get into the US and then get a citizenship here
[17:45] <traeak> although that maybe changing, can't say
[17:45] <Armand> It's 5 years regardless.. Where-as it will only take 3 years for me, being married to her.
[17:45] <nid0> interesting - i've got a friend here from russia who's currently working on UK citizenship and her requirements really suck, but her obvious easy route is "just marry a brit"
[17:45] <Armand> It's not that easy any more.
[17:46] <Armand> Sponsored visa.. the sponsor needs to earn �18.5kpa
[17:46] <KB3VGW> ok everyone is fired hand over your dev boards and your pi boards
[17:47] <KB3VGW> lol
[17:47] <Armand> Fire me, huh??
[17:47] * Armand stabs KB3VGW!
[17:47] <KB3VGW> to much talking and not enough developing
[17:47] <Armand> I r no Dev!
[17:47] * Armand sets KB3VGW on fire!
[17:47] <zer0her0> KB3VGW http://xkcd.com/303/
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[17:48] <KB3VGW> lol
[17:51] <nid0> TIL that when becoming a UK citizen you have to take an oath of allegiance.
[17:52] <nid0> what is this, america?
[17:52] <Armand> Do wut ?
[17:52] <nid0> https://www.gov.uk/becoming-a-british-citizen/citizenship-ceremonies
[17:52] <KB3VGW> If I could I would relocate to the UK as I am a Canauck/Canadain
[17:53] <KB3VGW> but it has gotten harder to do
[17:53] <nid0> "During the ceremony" section.
[17:53] <Armand> Oohhh... that's nothing.
[17:54] <KB3VGW> I have Dual citz here wit the US and Canada and am not ready to give it up
[17:54] <KB3VGW> but I am getting close with the way the US is killing it self
[17:55] <Armand> UK citizenship doesn't require you to surrender any other nationality.
[17:55] <nid0> my friend has to be really serious when she decides to take the leap as apparently russia don't let you hold dual citizenship
[17:55] <nid0> so she has to ditch her russian citizenship when becoming a UK citizen
[17:56] <KB3VGW> for me My Father is American and my mother Canadian
[17:56] <KB3VGW> but Canada is tied to the UK
[17:56] <KB3VGW> so I think going over and staying would not be that big of a issue
[17:57] <Armand> The goal is for us both to have dual citizenship, as will our kids.
[17:57] <KB3VGW> ditch the kids
[17:57] <KB3VGW> lol
[17:57] <nid0> thatll make your tax reporting fun if you stay in the UK
[17:57] <KB3VGW> they will only hold you back
[17:57] <Armand> Haven't had any yet. :P
[17:57] <KB3VGW> yes I pay dual taxes and it sucks
[17:57] <at0m> KB3VGW: it's how we all got here :P
[17:58] <KB3VGW> I pay US taxes and Canadian taxes
[17:58] <Armand> F-that
[17:58] <traeak> taxation has gotten totally out of hand
[17:58] <traeak> i mean totally
[17:58] <KB3VGW> yes
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[17:59] <tr0p> IT_Sean: Well I know that it used to be 5,25... but I don't know how my voltage source behaves as soon as current flows.... The open circuit voltage is 5.44V (but the label on the source says it's specified for 5V2A ( I don't like to trust the label since that power adapter had been used with some broken devices, it might have taken damage...))
[17:59] <KB3VGW> in the US it is now Taxation with out proper reprisentation
[17:59] <traeak> i'm personally nota fan of dual citizenship
[17:59] <traeak> pick one
[17:59] <Armand> I think you only pay US tax if you earn $40k+ ?
[17:59] <traeak> don't fsck around
[17:59] <KB3VGW> they tax you just to be greedy
[17:59] <Armand> Obvious thing.
[17:59] <traeak> agreed about the greed part
[17:59] <nid0> you'll presumably still have to do a convoluted IRS return every year though
[17:59] <zer0her0> Armand, Federal is over 20-25k or something
[18:00] <traeak> any IRS return is convoluted
[18:00] <Armand> Dayum
[18:00] <KB3VGW> imho the house/congress need a paycut
[18:00] <Armand> Yes
[18:00] <KB3VGW> and the military needs to be called home
[18:00] <traeak> now that i am a partner in my company its totally insane
[18:00] <Armand> The Regressives need a neckcut..
[18:00] <KB3VGW> its time for the US to stop being the world police and time to clean it self back up
[18:00] <traeak> streamline the tax sytems
[18:00] <Armand> But, I digress. :P
[18:00] <KB3VGW> they also need to repleal the Nafta
[18:00] <Armand> Time to go! .o/
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[18:01] <zer0her0> lata
[18:01] <traeak> would allow most of the IRS tobe firedand would hpoefully get rid of all the accountant overhead everyone has to carry
[18:01] <traeak> anyways
[18:01] <KB3VGW> NAFAT did the US in
[18:01] <KB3VGW> thats the worst thing that ever happen
[18:01] <KB3VGW> NAFTA
[18:01] <KB3VGW> sorry
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[18:01] <traeak> i haven't looked that heavily into nafta to know what bad it supposedly does
[18:01] <zer0her0> well something like 80% of the IRS is over 50, they're all close to retirement age already.
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[18:02] <KB3VGW> it allowed companies to move callcenters development and over all production out of the US
[18:02] <KB3VGW> Pay lower wages
[18:02] <KB3VGW> and in the longrun cut way to many jobs
[18:03] <KB3VGW> but enough politics
[18:03] <KB3VGW> back to computing
[18:03] <KB3VGW> and development
[18:03] <KB3VGW> wtill waitin on ups/usps
[18:03] <KB3VGW> and dhl
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[18:05] <KB3VGW> anyone making any special boards
[18:08] <nid0> nope, just scouring the internet trying to find some special wood
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[18:37] <niston> hmm
[18:37] <KB3VGW> ok well the pi proto boards I have to find a way to break the gold connections
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[18:42] <KB3VGW> I can cut connections
[18:43] <KB3VGW> cool
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[18:43] <KDDLB> NO CARRIER
[18:44] <KB3VGW> air ground water digital analog ?
[18:44] <KB3VGW> lol
[18:45] <KDDLB> bzzt
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[18:45] <KB3VGW> I am working on a redesign of a board
[18:45] <KB3VGW> lol
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[18:49] <tr0p> hm, i cannot find the diode 16 on my rpi 2 rev 1.1... is it on the top site or bottom?
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[18:50] <KB3VGW> find a scematic
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[18:51] <tr0p> that won't tell me where the diode seats on the board
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[18:52] <biberao> yo
[18:53] * IT_Sean grabs a yo-yo. Proceeds to yo-yo it.
[18:53] <ring0> yo can do it!
[18:53] * biberao hits IT_Sean with a yoyo
[18:53] <IT_Sean> um...
[18:54] * ChanServ sets mode +o IT_Sean
[18:54] <IT_Sean> really?
[18:54] <biberao> ya
[18:54] <Apocx> yo-yos are dangerous weapons
[18:54] <biberao> yup
[18:54] <biberao> ask the tmnt
[18:55] <biberao> :D
[18:55] <biberao> IT_Sean: :P
[18:55] <IT_Sean> :/
[18:56] * KB3VGW puts IT_Sean in time out no abusing ops ok
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[18:56] * IT_Sean sets mode -o IT_Sean
[18:56] <IT_Sean> KB3VGW: power is only fun if you can abuse it occasionally. :p
[18:58] <KB3VGW> lol
[18:58] <KB3VGW> man this day is going to slow
[18:58] <IT_Sean> "Power corrupts. Absolute power is even more fun."
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[19:00] <KB3VGW> bbiab its only noon feels like 4pm
[19:00] <KB3VGW> geesh
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[19:02] <nid0> luckily, its 6pm here now \o/
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[19:25] <IT_Sean> (oo )
[19:25] <IT_Sean> ( oo)
[19:26] <biberao> moo
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[19:39] <IT_Sean> there is a lot of a lot of rain coming down. Wondering if i'll be walking or swimming to the parking garage after work.
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[19:42] <biberao> IT_Sean: you can have a boat
[19:42] <biberao> you might be rowing
[19:43] <IT_Sean> Looking out my office window, I might need a boat.
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[19:57] * Matt hands IT_Sean a bucket
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[19:59] <IT_Sean> A bucket?
[19:59] <TheLostAdmin> I assume it's to bail out your car.
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[20:00] <IT_Sean> My truck is parked on the 3rd floor of the parking structure. My office is on the 2nd floor of the office building. No need to bail anything out.
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[20:00] <Apocx> bah, why does digikey/mouser/etc not carry a usb hub IC that supports high-speed?
[20:01] <IT_Sean> On that note, though... REALLY glad i drove the truck to work today.
[20:01] <Apocx> I really don't want to have to order them from china
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[20:02] <TheLostAdmin> Must be a hell of a storm or you must have some really big potholes to drive through for a truck to make a difference in the rain.
[20:04] <Apocx> Whether its a truck or car doesn't really matter when you hydroplane. So drive carefully :)
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[20:07] <IT_Sean> TheLostAdmin: I'd say it's a hell of a storm. It's been raining very heavily for several hours now, non-stop.
[20:08] * niston wants this wonderful contraption http://www.edna.de/Kaltgetraenke-Dispenser-Caddy-10
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[20:11] <Apocx> What does that even do? Translate for us non-bratwurst eating folk
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[20:13] <niston> hehe
[20:13] <niston> its a beverage dispenser
[20:13] <niston> built in cooling and stirring
[20:14] <niston> capacity of 12 liters
[20:14] <Apocx> gotcha
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[20:15] <niston> price tag is a bit hefty, but I'm sure it'd pay itself off in no time
[20:16] <KB3VGW> ok I think the audiocodec board I have is dead just ordered a replacement
[20:16] <KB3VGW> they are sending it free
[20:16] <niston> why do you think its dead?
[20:17] <KB3VGW> it stopped responfing
[20:17] <KB3VGW> responfing to i2c querries
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[20:25] <AlmtyBob> I'm trying to drive an infrared LED from my raspberry as a remote control. I got this LED http://www.nteinc.com/specs/3000to3099/pdf/nte3027.pdf and I'm planning on using a transistor and 5v according to this schematic: http://elinux.org/RPi_Tutorial_EGHS:LED_output#Circuit_2_-_LED_Driving_Circuit_.28using_Transistor_Switching_Circuit.29
[20:26] <AlmtyBob> I have a 2n2222 and a 2n6027 laying around, how do I know which, if either, are ok to use?
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[20:29] <pksato> 2n6027? Is not a 'normal' transistor.
[20:29] <pksato> Use 2n2222 on you project.
[20:29] <AlmtyBob> ok, will do thanks
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[20:31] <Flerb> I have a wireless printer accessible from my LAN but I want to use my raspberry pi such that I can access it from anywhere, submitting pdfs or doc files to my pi via the internet after authenticating with a username and password. Any ideas as to how I might implement this?
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[20:33] <pksato> Flerb: lan/wifi enabled printer? not need any extra hw to print from Internet.
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[20:34] <Flerb> Pksato yeh but only on our LAN I think
[20:36] <Flerb> 's an epson sx420w
[20:36] <pksato> some printer have a option to print from internet, on HPs call e-print.
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[20:38] <Flerb> mine doesn't
[20:39] <pksato> Is not safe to expose you printer to Internet.
[20:39] <pksato> Install and configure cups
[20:39] <pksato> open/forward port 631 to RPi ip.
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[20:40] <pksato> Install ipp or http printer on remote device.
[20:40] <KB3VGW> use a ssh tunnel
[20:40] <pksato> not need to install printer driver.
[20:40] <KB3VGW> or a vpn
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[20:41] <pksato> A generic postscript printer is need.
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[20:42] <pksato> or pdf, windows raster driver.
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[20:42] <pksato> SSL/TLS solve security issues. With pre shared certs.
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[20:44] <sir_phobos> anyone have any of the I2S Rpi DACs?
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[20:49] <Apocx> Maybe someone more familiar with I2C can answer this question for me, as I've never used I2C before. If I have an IC which is a master to an EEPROM slave and reads values from it, can I have a second master (a RPI) write values to the EEPROM for the first master to read? Or can I setup the RPI as a slave and write to the EEPROM?
[20:51] <niston> https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=44&t=44482
[20:51] <KB3VGW> you have to program the epprom with the dtb and id
[20:52] <KB3VGW> as I have read
[20:53] <Apocx> on second thought I'm going to ignore the EEPROM and use the SMBus Host configuration method for this IC
[20:53] <Apocx> cause then the Pi can just send it the necessary valus on startup
[20:53] <Apocx> values*
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[20:55] <KB3VGW> but using the eprom sets the values on plug on
[20:55] <KB3VGW> and sets the system up
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[20:56] <KB3VGW> with the dtb
[20:56] <Apocx> it does. but those values don't matter until the Pi is ready to go, so I can just send them from the Pi when it boots
[20:56] <Apocx> and not have to worry about the eeprom
[20:57] <Apocx> this is for configuring a USB hub IC. So the hub will just wait indefinitely for the Pi to send the needed config values. which it will do when it boots. the Pi won't need the hub before then anyway
[20:57] <Apocx> I think that should work OK
[20:59] <Apocx> guess we'll find out!
[20:59] <KB3VGW> your using that many usb ports
[20:59] <KB3VGW> that you need ahub
[20:59] <KB3VGW> or plug on board
[20:59] <Apocx> I need a powered hub, which I want on the PCB itself
[21:00] <Apocx> because the compute module with a LAN9512 chip gives me an ethernet and one USB port
[21:00] <Apocx> and I need more than one
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[21:00] <Apocx> and it needs more power
[21:01] <niston> Apocx: making a CM board?
[21:01] <Apocx> I have two usb devices that will be integrated directly on the board, so those ports will be configured as non-removable
[21:01] <Apocx> and then I may include a few physical Type A ports
[21:01] <Apocx> yes
[21:01] <niston> very nice
[21:01] <KB3VGW> cm board
[21:02] <KB3VGW> ?
[21:02] <niston> what software do you use for schematic/layouting?
[21:02] <Apocx> https://www.raspberrypi.org/blog/raspberry-pi-compute-module-new-product/
[21:02] <Apocx> A board for that module
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[21:02] <Apocx> eagle, though I'm thinking about switching to kicad
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[21:03] <niston> how'd you do impedance matched routing in eagle? (for the USB abd ethernet traces)
[21:03] <niston> s/abd/and
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[21:05] <Apocx> to be honest those pieces were already done by somebody else, I'm just adding on to the design. I will be looking into that soon though
[21:05] <niston> ah
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[21:07] <niston> hmm Apocx
[21:07] <niston> may you could use a dual port eeprom?
[21:08] <KB3VGW> the compute looks nice but whats the proce
[21:08] <niston> from some random datasheet: "The CAT24C208 features a 16-byte page write buffer and can be accessed from either of two separate I2C compatible ports, DSP (SDA, SCL) and DDC (SDA, SCL)."
[21:08] <Apocx> $35-40 for the module
[21:08] <KB3VGW> and the board
[21:08] <Apocx> the board is $60, $100 total. Though the board is only for development purposes, the module is made to be used with custom pcbs
[21:09] <Apocx> I could do that niston
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[21:09] <Apocx> but I think omitting the eeprom entirely and just sending the config settings over smbus at startup is the easiest solution
[21:09] <niston> ah good to know
[21:09] <KB3VGW> thinking then that we coulld use it on our board with out having to have a full pi
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[21:09] <niston> the CM/CMIO combo got cheaper
[21:09] <Apocx> sure, that's why we are using it
[21:09] <niston> it was almost double the price last time I checked
[21:09] <Apocx> we don't need a full Pi, as we don't need a bunch of hdmi/audio/usb ports
[21:10] <Apocx> yeah I thought it'd be more expensive
[21:10] <Apocx> $100 from Newark
[21:10] <Apocx> for a kit
[21:10] <niston> yup same @ element14
[21:10] <niston> CHF 94
[21:11] <niston> what I unsuccessfully tried to locate was SODIMM test sockets
[21:11] <KB3VGW> yeah just need the cpu and i2s/i2c/spi the hdmi/outher ports not needed
[21:11] <niston> they must exist as some very expensive memory testers do have them
[21:11] <Apocx> then the compute module would probably be perfect for your needs
[21:12] <Apocx> keep in mind though there is no Compute 2 yet, so this Compute is equivalent to a generation 1 Pi
[21:12] <Apocx> so if you need Pi 2 speed, go with a Pi 2
[21:12] <niston> Apocx: the upgrade will be pin compat though :)
[21:12] <Apocx> yeah I know, can't wait
[21:12] <Apocx> won't be coming out this year though they said
[21:12] <niston> shame
[21:12] <niston> but oh I can wait
[21:12] <niston> :D
[21:13] <Apocx> yeah we don't need the extra power the pi 2 provides just yet
[21:13] <KB3VGW> there is another module imx6
[21:13] <niston> Apocx: same in my little embedded application
[21:13] <niston> Pi1 CPU used about 20%
[21:13] <KB3VGW> it have quadcore 1.3 and 1.5 ghz
[21:13] <Apocx> I got my test module setup with raspbian and noX so it only uses about 700MB of the 4GB eMMC, so we're good there too
[21:14] <KB3VGW> yeah we have updated the nox to jessie
[21:14] <niston> KB3VGW: there are actually a lot of these modules around
[21:14] <Apocx> though I was thinking about adding a Type A usb port and sticking a 32GB USB flash stick in there for extra storage
[21:14] <Apocx> yeah SoM boards are popular now
[21:14] <niston> they're called "SoM" or System-on-Module
[21:14] <KB3VGW> and its working great
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[21:14] <niston> they wont be pin compatible with the Pi CM though ..
[21:14] <Apocx> yeah
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[21:15] <niston> Apocx: got any recommendation for ethernet switching chips?
[21:15] <niston> mouser has BCM ones, but no datasheets
[21:15] <niston> RTL ones can be had from the chinas, but no datasheets
[21:16] <niston> etc
[21:16] <niston> gigE switching chips
[21:16] <Apocx> nah not really
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[21:18] <KB3VGW> I found a som with wifi on it
[21:18] <KB3VGW> wow
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[21:18] <Apocx> yeah theres a bunch with pretty cool features
[21:18] <KB3VGW> http://www.variscite.com/variscite-products?gclid=CPO-_sDV6scCFQEaaQodokwGdg
[21:18] <niston> I find it a bit odd that mouser sells them in quantities of 1
[21:19] <Apocx> sells what?
[21:19] <niston> while there's no public available datasheet for any of those chips
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[21:20] <niston> http://www.mouser.ch/Broadcom/_/N-1yviti5?Keyword=bcm+switch&FS=True
[21:20] <niston> the only "data sheet" there is actually a marketing leaflet
[21:20] <Apocx> ah
[21:20] <Apocx> ha
[21:21] <niston> but yeah. can buy in Qty's of ONE.
[21:21] <Apocx> broadcom isn't the greatest when it comes to documentation
[21:22] <niston> well it can be had but first it goes like: "give a quote on how many pieces you expect to buy"
[21:22] <Apocx> heh
[21:22] <Apocx> so I just learned eUSB was a thing. and now I want to add one.
[21:22] <KB3VGW> well O just thinking if we can rm the need for the usb then we are good
[21:23] <KB3VGW> and a som mightbe a option in a future board
[21:23] <KB3VGW> maybe our bigger board
[21:23] <Apocx> why do you need to remove usb?
[21:23] <traeak> eusb ?
[21:23] <KB3VGW> we dont use it
[21:23] <Apocx> ah
[21:23] <Apocx> eUSB yeah, basically an embedded version of a USB flash drive. pretty neat
[21:23] <Apocx> could add more storage to the compute module that way
[21:24] <KB3VGW> I want to get emmc but have it on a blugable module like the odroid units
[21:24] <niston> haha
[21:24] <KB3VGW> b/p
[21:24] <niston> eUSB :D
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[21:25] <Apocx> I've got some spare USB ports to use up now, might as well use em :P
[21:25] <niston> rip apart an USB stick, desolder the connector et voilà
[21:25] <niston> =P
[21:25] <Apocx> I want something that can be done easily for hundreds of units
[21:25] <Apocx> not doing that all manually, no sir :P
[21:25] <niston> :P
[21:25] * IT_Sean sends niston a shipping contaner full of chinese workers
[21:25] <niston> thank you!
[21:26] <Apocx> ha
[21:26] * niston houses them all in a small cardboard box and instructs them to cook rice
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[21:28] <niston> NEVER EVER HUNGRY AGAIN!
[21:28] <Apocx> geeze nevermind. eUSB memory modules are absurdly expensive for what are basically glorified flash drives
[21:28] <Apocx> $153 for 16GB? No thanks
[21:29] <niston> LOL
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[21:29] <niston> apparently they dont have chinese workers where they make 'em :P
[21:29] <Apocx> guess not
[21:29] <niston> what the pinout for this connector?
[21:30] <Apocx> minimum quantity 150. so just a paltry $23,000, right?
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[21:30] <Apocx> internal USB header looks like
[21:30] <Apocx> http://www.smartm.com/files/salesLiterature/embedded/eUSB_overview.pdf
[21:31] <niston> yeah but is there no standard definition for what signal is on what pin?
[21:31] <Apocx> probably is, haven't looked yet
[21:31] <Apocx> and won't need to now, as thats way out of my price range
[21:31] <Apocx> I'll stick with the 4GB eMMC
[21:32] <niston> need more anywayS?
[21:32] <Apocx> to run, no. to add some optional features, yes
[21:32] <niston> think you could add a usb/sata bridge
[21:33] <niston> and add either a harddrive or mSATA SSD
[21:33] <niston> assuming that SATA and mSATA are same signals, different connector
[21:33] <Apocx> yeah true
[21:33] <niston> mSATA SDD pretty cheap
[21:33] <niston> err SSD
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[21:34] <niston> 30GB CHF37
[21:35] <niston> unlike $153 for 16GB
[21:35] <Apocx> how much is it?
[21:35] <niston> around 40 USD
[21:35] <Apocx> not bad
[21:35] <Apocx> doesn't beat a $10 flash drive though
[21:35] <niston> Kingston SMS200S3/30G
[21:36] <niston> yeah
[21:36] <niston> for the application probably SATA makes no sense anyways
[21:36] <niston> and wud be huge overkill :P
[21:36] <Apocx> yeah it's a bit overkill I think
[21:36] <at0m> especially not on shared usb bus
[21:36] <niston> at0m: yup. pity Pi2 didn't introduce USB 3.0
[21:37] <Apocx> it wouldn't be for crucial data, just to prepackage some stuff so they wouldn't have to hit our servers to grab it. so a cheapo usb flash drive would probably suffice
[21:37] <at0m> shaving off every last penny :)
[21:37] <niston> the way I see it, usb is to raspberry as ISA was to IBM PC
[21:37] <niston> :P
[21:37] <Apocx> yeah I'm probably oversaturating the usb bus as it is
[21:37] <niston> well maybe some day someone comes up with something like vesa local bus
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[21:37] <niston> using the CSI/DSI pins :P
[21:38] <at0m> saw https://wiki.debian.org/Embedded_Debian for embedded devices, but looks like it's a dead project );
[21:38] <at0m> ships lightweight packages
[21:39] <Apocx> raspbian noX is plenty light for us @ 700MB. So it's not the end of the world if we just stick with the 4GB eMMC as the only storage
[21:39] <niston> yeah just provide an USB A socket and label it "expansion port"
[21:39] <niston> *g*
[21:40] <Apocx> hehe
[21:40] <at0m> could probably shred the man pages and stuff
[21:40] <Apocx> true
[21:40] <at0m> and reduce logging, saves on the SD
[21:40] <at0m> or log remotely
[21:41] <at0m> (i log to central server and ram)
[21:41] <Apocx> I'd probably log to RAM or something
[21:41] <Apocx> anything that really matters would be logged to our servers
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[22:32] <Gadgetoid> Boom!
[22:33] <nid0> kapow.
[22:33] <Gadgetoid> Ahoy!
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[22:35] <Gadgetoid> So. Many. Pi. LCDs.
[22:36] <nid0> and here's me never connecting any kind of screen to any of my pis
[22:36] <Gadgetoid> Haha, sometimes a screen is useful, or even necessary when you're preparing software for people with screens :D
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[22:36] <Gadgetoid> The 7" LCD is lovely, actually, got one on my bedside table for... uh... testing
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[22:37] <Gadgetoid> Perfect resolution for a terminal, :D
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[22:39] <nid0> have to admit i'm kind of tempted by the idea of getting one to expand on my disco living room with a manual control terminal
[22:39] <Gadgetoid> Haha
[22:39] <Gadgetoid> Disco living room?
[22:39] <nid0> sec...
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[22:40] <nid0> this is my latest project: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YNW5ZiUP7KI
[22:40] <Gadgetoid> I need a Roli Seaboard RISE, because reasons
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[22:40] <Gadgetoid> hahahaha, that big red button!
[22:41] <Gadgetoid> Are those one of the many, many lightbulbs that came out after that kickstarter?
[22:41] <Gadgetoid> Holy lasers!
[22:41] <nid0> these ones are philips hue bulbs, so pretty much the only ones that werent kickstarted
[22:41] <Gadgetoid> Bonus points for song choice!
[22:42] <Gadgetoid> Wanted to get some of those bulbs for ages, just waiting for 10 packs at £100... in a decade or two :D
[22:42] <nid0> the system does now (nearly) have an added smoke machine as well, the machine's good to go, but just havent finished automating it yet
[22:43] <Gadgetoid> You need a treadmill button, with a playlist of motivational songs
[22:43] <Gadgetoid> Is it a Pi-powered setup?
[22:43] <nid0> I probably will do a few, with the code as it is now I can choreograph new songs relatively quickly (have done 3 so far)
[22:44] <nid0> sortof yeah - there's a pi in the box with the button, all the pi actually does though is ssh into a vm on my workstation and execute the script that runs everything
[22:44] <Gadgetoid> Oooh!
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[22:44] <nid0> I did originally have it all running directly from the pi but it's very very slightly underpowered, I was finding signals to the lights would occasionally get fractionally delayed
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[22:46] <Gadgetoid> What about Eiffel 65: I'm blue.
[22:46] <Gadgetoid> Just blue.
[22:46] <nid0> but yea, I figured as well as the single button doing a light show, having a separate box with a 7" touchscreen and a custom interface to control the lights/music/strobe/lazor/smoke manually could be fun
[22:47] <Gadgetoid> Possibly entirely too much fun
[22:47] <Gadgetoid> When I get a house, this is possibly, if not even probably happening
[22:47] <Gadgetoid> Except with near field ID cards on everyone, so we can all have a theme song, haha
[22:47] <Gadgetoid> Mind if I tweet it?
[22:48] <nid0> heh, I havent got that bit quite so high tech yet, I can change songs between the ones choreographed with an http call and have shortcuts on my phone, so can set the song before people press the button
[22:48] <nid0> could you give me a couple of days and i'll give you an updated video? it's missing smoke in the video currently, hoping to have the smoke machine rigged up by the end of the week then i'll be re-recording it
[22:49] <nid0> as the smoke does make a *big* difference for the laser
[22:49] <Gadgetoid> Haha, go for ti :D
[22:49] <Gadgetoid> Oo, CamJam this weekend, woo!
[22:49] <nid0> i'm also currently pulling together reaction videos of people who've been pressing the button without any clue what it does and no idea they're being recorded :D
[22:50] <Gadgetoid> Hahahahahahahahahahaha, excellent!
[22:50] <Gadgetoid> It's a very enticing button
[22:50] <Gadgetoid> It also sounds exactly like a Minecraft button somehow
[22:51] <nid0> a lot of people are very wary of it, we had a friend crawling round on the floor looking at the table from the underside then examining the button box itself in detail before pressing it cos she didn't trust what it might do :p
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[22:51] <Gadgetoid> Immediately fill the room with water and seal all the exits?
[22:52] <Gadgetoid> Did you catch our horrible first Bilge Tank video, by the way?
[22:52] <Gadgetoid> It went entirely not awfully
[22:52] <nid0> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b2dYE0qic6c - ?
[22:52] <nid0> if so it's on my list, havent watched it through yet though
[22:53] <Gadgetoid> That's the one!
[22:53] <mattrichardson> Gadgetoid: Loved it! Sent in some feedback to Paul.
[22:53] <Gadgetoid> Number 001 should have less stuff-thunking-on-the-desk-and-epeople-distracted-by-laptops :D
[22:53] <Gadgetoid> Hi mattrichardson!
[22:53] <Gadgetoid> Also <3
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[22:54] <mattrichardson> Hi Gadgetoid! I know how much hard work it is to pull that stuff off. It went rather well, I thought! And it only gets better from here.
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[22:54] <Gadgetoid> We didn't help ourselves by starting the hard work by building-a-flippin-set-from-scratch-with-studwork-and-fence-panels :D
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[22:55] <mattrichardson> I'm really impressed with the set! And the backlight... it was a nice touch.
[22:55] <Gadgetoid> But it was fun, and I don't believe I've ever worked somewhere where I could spend a couple of days building a set before
[22:56] <Gadgetoid> We have an alternate red flashing light too, for when Connor comes in the room
[22:56] <Gadgetoid> Or Klingons attack
[22:56] <mattrichardson> Oh nice!
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[22:57] <Gadgetoid> It's fun to do video, I think everyone was pretty elated about it, even though it was hard work
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[22:57] <mattrichardson> Once you get that workflow settled, I'm sure it'll get better and be so much less work than it is now.
[22:58] <Gadgetoid> Yeah, need some more automation on the tweets and chat so we don't have to stare gormlessly at laptops :D
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[23:05] <Gadgetoid> Right, sleep beacons, exausted from today!
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[23:05] <mattrichardson> Night!
[23:05] <Gadgetoid> And good night to you too! and nid0 *waves*
[23:06] <nid0> goodnight!
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[23:10] <Encrypt> Hi o/
[23:10] <Encrypt> So, I'm working on my GSM gateway
[23:11] <Encrypt> I'm using Raspbian on my Raspberry Pi 2 and I get a problem when somebody calls me or if I call someone
[23:11] <Encrypt> The GSM modem gets disonnected and dmesg shows the error:
[23:11] <Encrypt> usb_wwan_indat_callback: resubmit read urb failed. (-19)
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[23:17] <Apocx> Not sure about that specific error, but are you powering the GSM modem through a powered external hub?
[23:17] <nomis> hi all. I have the rpi display up and running, but I am a bit confused. Why does the touchscreen work? I can see that sda and scl are connected via the DSI port. But I don't see a connection for the interrupt pin. What is going on there?
[23:17] <Apocx> Could be it needs more juice for the call which it doesn't have
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[23:19] <Apocx> kept wondering why newark's Reset Password page wasn't working. only works in IE apparently. shame shame
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[23:26] <Encrypt> Apocx, Yes, I'm using a powered USB hub
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[23:27] <Encrypt> However, I have a USB extension cord
[23:27] <Encrypt> I'll try without it
[23:27] <Encrypt> Sending SMS works fine
[23:27] <Apocx> SIM card is tied to a voice plan and isn't just data I assume
[23:27] <Encrypt> Yes, yes
[23:27] <Encrypt> And the modem is voice capable
[23:27] <Encrypt> My friend called me a few minutes ago
[23:28] <Apocx> well the obvious problems are out of the way
[23:28] <Apocx> what modem is it
[23:28] <Encrypt> It worked for a few seconds and then the modem got disconneted
[23:28] <Encrypt> Huawei E160
[23:28] <Encrypt> Apocx, When it is disconnected, dmeg shows the error:
[23:28] <Encrypt> option1 ttyUSB1: usb_wwan_indat_callback: resubmit read urb failed. (-19)
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[23:29] <Encrypt> There are several posts on the internet about it
[23:29] <Encrypt> But no real solution
[23:29] <Apocx> have you tried a different computer/OS?
[23:29] <Encrypt> No, I haven't
[23:30] <Encrypt> I should...
[23:30] <Encrypt> But that means that I should install asterisk, compile chan_dongle...
[23:30] <Encrypt> I'll do it when I have time :)
[23:31] <Apocx> yeah I haven't messed with the calling features of my modem any, so can't really say why it would throw those errors unfortunately.
[23:31] <Apocx> you could connect to the COM port and run some diagnostic commands
[23:31] <Apocx> check signal quality etc
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[23:31] <Apocx> AT+CSQ? I think
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[23:32] <Encrypt> Apocx, 13,99
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[23:34] <Apocx> what about just AT+CSQ (no ?)
[23:35] <Encrypt> Apocx, Yes, sorry, "13,99" is the answer without the interrogation mark
[23:35] <Encrypt> With the interrogation mark, I get an error from the modem
[23:35] <Apocx> gotcha
[23:36] <Encrypt> It might be a firmware issue :/
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[23:36] <Apocx> 13 is a decent signal
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[23:36] <Apocx> could be
[23:36] <Apocx> know what chipset it uses?
[23:36] <Apocx> I was using the LE910
[23:37] <Encrypt> Firmware: 11.604.21.05.314
[23:37] <Encrypt> Chipset: Qualcomm MSM6246
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[23:39] <Apocx> yeah the fact that it works a few seconds then cuts out is concerning. probably a bug in the firmware like you said
[23:39] <Apocx> don't know of any configuration or driver issues that could cause that
[23:40] <Encrypt> SMS work well however...
[23:40] <Encrypt> I think I'll try the huawei partner stuff tomorrow on Windows 7
[23:40] <Apocx> alright
[23:40] <Apocx> if you can't get that device working
[23:41] <Encrypt> If the modem cuts out with that software, then it is a firmware issue
[23:41] <Apocx> could always try something like this: https://learn.adafruit.com/adafruit-fona-mini-gsm-gprs-cellular-phone-module/overview
[23:41] <Encrypt> And i WILL UPDATE IT
[23:41] <Encrypt> Fail
[23:41] <Apocx> hopefully it's something simple :)
[23:42] <Encrypt> Apocx, I think I won't have time :P
[23:42] <Apocx> :(
[23:42] <Encrypt> I'm going to Plymouth (UK) in 6 days
[23:42] <Encrypt> I'm at home (in France) now
[23:43] * zenguy_pc (~konsense@ool-44c71453.dyn.optonline.net) Quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
[23:43] <Apocx> ah
[23:43] <Encrypt> The aim is to build a GSM gateway before I study at Plymouth :D
[23:43] <Apocx> gotcha
[23:43] <Apocx> well hope you figure it out in time
[23:43] <Apocx> afk for a bit now, leaving work and heading home
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[23:44] <Encrypt> I think I had also found this kind of boards while searching for possibilities...
[23:44] <Encrypt> But it's not asterisk compliant
[23:44] <Encrypt> Apocx, Ok o/
[23:44] <Encrypt> Thanks for your help :)
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[23:45] <Apocx> welcome :)
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[23:48] <nomis> memory based touchscreen driver. Polling shared memory for changes. WTF.
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[23:51] * Muzer_ is now known as Muzer
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[23:53] <KB3VGW> the 1w overlays are for 1wire interface correct
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[23:55] * _BigWings_ (~Thunderbi@modemcable119.79-19-135.mc.videotron.ca) Quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
[23:55] * roowilliams (~textual@69.60.2.130) Quit (Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…)
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[23:55] * terminal_echo (terminal_e@gateway/vpn/mullvad/x-vtfuidzlexznqxwa) Quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
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[23:56] <KB3VGW> man 1w
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