#raspberrypi IRC Log

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IRC Log for 2015-11-02

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[0:22] <python476> hello
[0:22] <python476> I'm looking for confirmation that CEC wasn't designed to allow changing TV channel, right ?
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[0:25] <pksato> python476: CEC control all functions of a TV or other device. changing channel is one of.
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[0:26] <python476> pksato: so far I couldn't find any reference for this command (I found input switching, suspend etc)
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[0:32] <pksato> python476: I found this http://www.cec-o-matic.com/
[0:32] <python476> pksato: ha, it was offline the day I tried, thanks for the reminder
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[0:34] <python476> indeed very exhaustive, great
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[1:49] <kurvert> i'm having trouble setting up bluetooth. followed a bunch of steps that i didn't fully understand and now my phone does not see the rpi as discoverable. i have a log file that says a .hcd file was not found. could this be the issue?
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[1:52] <python476> kurvert: you used bluetoothctl ?
[1:52] <python476> I managed to pair a rpi with a smartphone through this tools (it's a live command loop, very convenient to fool around)
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[1:55] <kurvert> python476: not sure. i followed this...
[1:55] <kurvert> http://www.instructables.com/id/Turn-your-Raspberry-Pi-into-a-Portable-Bluetooth-A/?ALLSTEPS
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[2:13] <python476> kurvert: ok, didn't use any of this :) good luck
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[2:17] <MaynardWaters> hi, I have a version 1 raspi, I am trying to use motion to capture images from a usb webcam
[2:18] <MaynardWaters> should I assume that version one needs a powered hub? I thought I read somewhere that it might provide enough power via usb to run a cheap webcam
[2:18] <MaynardWaters> my raspi2 is able to produce some images from a similar webcam without a powered hub
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[2:22] <kurvert> python476: i checked and i don't have bluetoothctl, at least not in /usr/bin and an aptitude search produced nothing. should that be on there?
[2:25] <python476> hold on, you use raspbian I assume ?
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[2:27] <python476> under archlinux it's from bluez-utils
[2:29] <python476> kurvert: in case you can try bluetoothctl, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2276551 this is the kind of steps I used to pair rpi - phone
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[3:05] <dcholth> Good evening. Can someone tell me what "X Input mode" vs "Direct input mode" is?
[3:05] <dcholth> I'm trying to get a USB gamepad to work with PiPlay
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[3:19] <dcholth> Hello?
[3:21] <ali1234> X input means using X windows events
[3:21] <ali1234> direct input means using kernel input devices directly
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[3:23] <dcholth> Thanks. How does one change that?
[3:25] <ali1234> no idea
[3:25] <dcholth> Okey dokey
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[5:23] <undecim> My raspbian jessie install shows no modules in lsmod... Is that normal?
[5:28] <Berg> undecim: you can turn them on in raspi-config
[5:29] <undecim> I think I just figured it out. I'm on kernel 3.18.5 as reported by uname -a, but only have module dirs for 4.1.7
[5:29] <undecim> I think apt-get failed to upgrade the kernel image in /boot
[5:30] <undecim> What is the package that contains the kernel image?
[5:33] <undecim> Okay, now I'm confused because 3.18 seems to be the latest kernel package.... How do I have /lib/modules/4.1.7+/ ?
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[5:55] <undecim> wtf... I didn't have any linux-image package installed, so installed linux-image-rpi, and now I still have 3.18 kernel, but instead of 3.18 modules, I have modules for 3.16....
[5:56] <undecim> I don't friggin get it
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[7:23] <Kamilion> ran across some fun... thought I'd share. http://archive.defense.gov/home/features/video/player.aspx?Xh_t2fFF3B0
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[8:15] <alkisg> Hi guys, in case anyone cares, I've just finished upstream LTSP support for raspberry Pi 2 and written this how-to: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/RaspberryPi
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[8:16] <alkisg> If someone manages to netboot rpi2's with u-boot, please ping me, it'd be better to have only static content in the SD cards instead of auto-updated kernel+initrd.
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[8:22] <ali1234> alkisg: bringing up u-boot will be easy since it is an elf image like the kernel
[8:22] <ali1234> but you would need to write a network driver for it
[8:23] <alkisg> ali1234: u-boot gets loaded an initializes the network etc, and fetches things over tftp, but at that point I couldn't make it not hang after displaying "starting the kernel"
[8:23] <ali1234> okay so all the hard stuff is done :)
[8:23] <ali1234> what kernel did you try to boot?
[8:23] <alkisg> I don't have the time to troubleshoot it any longer (I spent a couple of days in it), but if someone does, I can update the LTSP method of preparing the SD cards
[8:24] <alkisg> The Ubuntu's linux-image-raspi2 4.2 kernel, and an rpi2 variant of raspbian's 3.8 kernel that I found in an Ubuntu PPA
[8:25] <ali1234> what it probably is is that the kernel expects the hardware to be in pristine state
[8:25] <ali1234> but u-boot messed with stuff to make networking work
[8:25] <alkisg> *3.18
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[8:27] <alkisg> It's possible, yes... unfortunately my experience with u-boot and raspberry is very limited, I only wanted to do the LTSP bits, so I'll have to leave those to devs from these other projects...
[8:28] <ali1234> i assume you followed http://elinux.org/RPi_U-Boot ?
[8:29] <alkisg> Yes, and a couple of other instructions from forums/blogs when that ^ failed
[8:29] <ali1234> and you had a serial console?
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[8:30] <alkisg> Unfortunately no, I don't have a serial cable
[8:30] <ali1234> ah... you'll probably get more useful debug information if you do
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[8:31] <alkisg> I'm lacking a lot of knowledge to be able to properly troubleshoot this. I don't know about the arm/raspberry hardware and firmware, I don't know the u-boot commands and environment variables etc.
[8:32] <alkisg> I'm not the right person to do that troubleshooting, and I'm wise enough to leave it for someone else and spend my time in the upstream projects that I'm more involved with :)
[8:33] <ali1234> i will take a look into this at some point
[8:33] <alkisg> Ah, that'd be cool. If you or anyone else does, I'm always online at #ltsp, please give me a ping :)
[8:34] <ali1234> the bit i don't fancy though is setting up a tftp server, it's always a pita
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[8:36] <alkisg> ali1234: why? dnsmasq is very easy to setup...
[8:36] <ali1234> yeah it's the tftpd that is always difficult
[8:36] * alkisg is using dnsmasq as the tftpd server
[8:36] <ali1234> i didn't know you could do that
[8:37] <alkisg> dnsmasq supports dns, dhcp, proxydhcp and tftp
[8:38] <alkisg> Here's the configuration file we're using in LTSP: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ltsp-upstream/ltsp/ltsp-trunk/view/head:/server/doc/examples/ltsp-server-dnsmasq.conf
[8:39] <ali1234> what if i already have a dhcp server on my network tho?
[8:40] <alkisg> DHCP is unrelated to tftp. You can either configure next-server in your dhcp-server to point to where you have dnsmasq, or you can use the proxyDHCP mode of dnsmasq to send additional boot information to PXE clients (which unfortunately rpi/u-boot doesn't support).
[8:40] <alkisg> Or you can separate the DHCP servers with some logic based on ranges + macs or alternative dhcp ports.
[8:41] <ali1234> i can't configure my dhcp server, it's in a soho router...
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[8:41] <ali1234> it probably doesn't answer BOOTP though
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[8:42] <ali1234> or, wait... I don't actually need PXE for this
[8:43] <alkisg> No, just DHCP. Configure it so that it has a range that it doesn't serve, e.g. x.x.x.20 to .30, and tell dnsmasq to hand out IPs in that range.
[8:43] <ali1234> or i could just use a standalone tftpd
[8:43] <alkisg> You can also tell dnsmasq to only answer on specific client IDs, so that it only answers to u-boot and nothing else
[8:43] <alkisg> Where?
[8:43] <ali1234> on my workstation
[8:43] <alkisg> Ah, you mean to put a static ip in cmdline? sure
[8:44] <ali1234> nah, the pi will get an IP from my router
[8:44] <alkisg> What will point it to your workstation?
[8:44] <ali1234> i will type commands on the serial port
[8:44] <alkisg> What I was suggesting with cmdline, ok
[8:44] <ali1234> hmm yeah i see
[8:44] <alkisg> You can do that with dnsmasq as well, the tftpd server you choose for this doesn't matter
[8:45] <ali1234> right breakfast time then i'll first try to boot my raspbian install with u-boot
[8:45] <ali1234> if that works i'll set up the tftp
[8:45] <alkisg> Cool, I'll stick around in case you need anything where I can help with
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[9:16] <ali1234> okay i have u-boot prompt...
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[9:17] <ali1234> yeah... that doesn't work
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[9:23] <alkisg> ali1234: I managed to download a kernel and initrd over tftp, before giving up due to the kernel hanging, if you haven't reached that part yet maybe I could help...
[9:23] <ali1234> oh wow, there's a PXe server on my network already
[9:23] <ali1234> i forgot about that
[9:23] <ali1234> it just downloaded a x86 kernel and tried to boot it lol
[9:23] <alkisg> Haha
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[9:27] <ali1234> ah htere we go, that worked
[9:27] <ali1234> and there's the problem. it hangs up when linux tries to initialize the mmc
[9:27] <alkisg> Ah, yup, way beyond my knowledge :)
[9:28] <ali1234> i have totally seen this before :/
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[9:30] <ali1234> hmm wait no... it's the USB
[9:30] <ali1234> hmm
[9:31] <alkisg> ali1234: assuming that this is fixed in the future, are there any drawbacks to netbooting with u-boot vs netbooting with a local kernel+initrd?
[9:31] <ali1234> none at all
[9:31] <ali1234> well actually
[9:32] <ali1234> there is one: you can't do device tree parameters easily with u-boot, because as i learned yesterday, those are specific to the pi bootloader
[9:32] <ali1234> you can just make a static device tree blob with what you want though
[9:32] * alkisg hasn't yet understood if ubuntu/raspbian kernels use device trees or not...
[9:32] <ali1234> raspbian ones definitely do and will not work if you don't supply one... at least not on u-boot
[9:33] <ali1234> not with 4.1 anyway
[9:35] <ali1234> actually
[9:35] <ali1234> maybe i need the initrd
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[9:43] <ali1234> ooo i got a kernel panic this time
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[9:47] <ali1234> yey it booted
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[9:48] <ali1234> alkisg: so the problem you probably are having... the bootargs given on that elinux page are... totally wrong
[9:48] <alkisg> Hehe
[9:49] <alkisg> This one? setenv bootargs earlyprintk console=ttyAMA0 console=tty1 root=/dev/mmcblk0p2 rootwait
[9:49] <alkisg> What's the working one like?
[9:50] <ali1234> yes that one
[9:51] <ali1234> well, first you need to load some device tree
[9:51] <ali1234> setenv bootargs dwc_otg.lpm_enable=0 console=ttyAMA0,115200 kgdboc=ttyAMA0,115200 console=tty1 elevator=deadline root=/dev/mmcblk0p2 rootfstype=ext4 rootwait rootdelay
[9:51] <ali1234> this then works
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[9:51] <ali1234> but i'm still pinning it down
[9:52] <ali1234> raspbian kernels seem to need an initrd
[9:53] <alkisg> netbooting usually needs an initrd anyway
[9:53] <ali1234> got a kernel and initrd you want me to try?
[9:53] <alkisg> Do you want me to upload the kernel+initrd I'm using...
[9:53] <alkisg> hehe, uploading...
[9:54] <alkisg> ali1234: inside this one: http://people.ubuntu.com/~alkisg/ltsp/rpi2-20151101.zip
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[9:55] <alkisg> If you get up to nbd: could not reach server, it's fine! :)
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[10:02] <ali1234> alkisg: so that zip.. that is what you would stick on the sdcard?
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[10:24] <alkisg> Sorry, connectivity issues, the last thing I saw was "(10:55:15 πμ) alkisg: If you get up to nbd: could not reach server, it's fine! :)"
[10:25] <alkisg> Are there any irc logs available?
[10:28] <ali1234> in the topic
[10:28] <ali1234> so i've got a problem:
[10:28] <ali1234> the required command line is too long for u=boot
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[10:29] <alkisg> ali1234: ... we can use its pxelinux.cfg support
[10:29] <ali1234> how?
[10:30] <alkisg> with `pxe get; pxe boot` it's trying to fetch a pxelinux.cfg/default file, with instructions for downloading the kernel etc
[10:30] <alkisg> Let me upload an example...
[10:30] <ali1234> i have ne of those already actually
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[10:30] <ali1234> but the thing is, my dhcp server tells it to download lpxelinux.o
[10:31] <alkisg> ...something like this: http://paste.debian.net/319195/
[10:31] <alkisg> You can override bootfile with an u-boot command
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[10:31] <ali1234> oky so i put that in the tftp server?
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[10:32] <alkisg> Yes, personally I had to put it to pxelinux.cfg/0AA1FEC5 because that's where it was searching first (hex form of ip)
[10:33] <alkisg> usb start; setenv serverip 10.161.254.11; setenv bootfile /ltsp/armhf/ltsp.scr; setenv autoload no; dhcp; pxe get; pxe boot
[10:33] <alkisg> I think that was the furthest I had going
[10:34] <alkisg> setenv autoload no ==> prohibits the dhcp request from fetching the lpxelinux.0 file
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[10:35] <ali1234> and what is ltsp.scr?
[10:36] <alkisg> Sorry ignore that command completely, I was using it because I didn't have keyboard/serial access to directly enter u-boot commands
[10:37] <alkisg> ltsp.scr was a compiled file with u-boot instructions so that I didn't have to remove/add the sd card all the time
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[10:37] <alkisg> ali1234: do you have a working usb keyboard with u-boot?
[10:37] <ali1234> dunno
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[10:38] <alkisg> Maybe you could send me what you have now, so that I can test locally as well? Please make a .zip of all the sd cards contents please, firmware+compiled u-boot included...
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[10:39] <ali1234> that would be my whole raspbian install...
[10:39] <ali1234> but the only important thing is u-boot.bin and config.txt pointing to it
[10:40] <alkisg> I've had issues with various firmware versions
[10:40] <ali1234> that's always fun
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[10:40] <ali1234> i don't precisely know what firmware version i have
[10:40] <alkisg> OK, could you send me those 2 files?
[10:40] <alkisg> alkisg at gmail if emailing is easier for you
[10:41] <ali1234> this kernel doesn't boot
[10:41] <alkisg> Oh
[10:41] <alkisg> (it does boot without u-boot)
[10:41] <ali1234> it's doing the same thing raspbian kernel was before i fed it a device tree
[10:42] <alkisg> The .zip file contains the exact contents of my sd card, which is now working fine as an ltsp client
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[10:43] <ali1234> yep, rasbian also boots without device tree if not using u-boot
[10:43] <ali1234> so... let's feed it a device tree... i wonder how to do that
[10:44] <alkisg> tftpboot ${kernel_addr_r} ${serverip}:/ltsp/armhf/vmlinuz \
[10:44] <alkisg> && tftpboot ${ramdisk_addr_r} ${serverip}:/ltsp/armhf/initrd.img \
[10:44] <alkisg> && echo booting LTSP armhf linux 4.2.0-1014-raspi2 \
[10:44] <alkisg> && bootz ${kernel_addr_r} ${ramdisk_addr_r}:${filesize} ${fdt_addr_r}
[10:44] <alkisg> That was supposed to work with u-boot and some other devices which were supported previously by ltsp
[10:45] <alkisg> Oops sorry, I missed the line with the device tree inbetween, let me find it...
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[10:45] <ali1234> that look sreasonable
[10:45] <ali1234> but then there's the bootargs problem...
[10:45] <alkisg> tftpboot ${kernel_addr_r} ${serverip}:/ltsp/armhf/vmlinuz-4.2.0-1014-raspi2 \
[10:45] <alkisg> && tftpboot ${fdt_addr_r} ${serverip}:/ltsp/armhf/dtbs-4.2.0-1014-raspi2/${fdtfile} \
[10:45] <alkisg> && tftpboot ${ramdisk_addr_r} ${serverip}:/ltsp/armhf/initrd.img-4.2.0-1014-raspi2 \
[10:45] <alkisg> && echo booting LTSP armhf linux 4.2.0-1014-raspi2 \
[10:45] <alkisg> && bootz ${kernel_addr_r} ${ramdisk_addr_r}:${filesize} ${fdt_addr_r}
[10:46] <alkisg> How is the device tree passed to the kernel? Similar to an initrd?
[10:46] <alkisg> Maybe we can tell pxelinux to load another initrd?
[10:46] <alkisg> (afaik recent pxelinux versions do support multiple initrds)
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[10:47] <ali1234> i'll try to get the kernel to at least boot and panic first
[10:47] <alkisg> https://wiki.linaro.org/Boards/Arndale/Setup/PXEBoot says: fdt exynos5250-arndale.dtb
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[10:48] <alkisg> I wonder if it's a custom pxelinux patch, or supported upstream
[10:48] <ali1234> i'll check the u-boot source
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[10:49] <alkisg> Actually it would be in the u-boot pxelinux emulation, not in pxelinux, so yeah it's possibly supported
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[10:49] <ali1234> exactly
[10:49] <ali1234> yes it does support it
[10:49] <alkisg> http://lists.denx.de/pipermail/u-boot/2012-September/133316.html
[10:49] <alkisg> Nice
[10:50] <ali1234> okay, just need to stick a device tree on my tftp
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[10:52] <ali1234> actually it might be as simple as passing a command line option to disable device tree completely
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[11:03] <ali1234> alkisg: its working
[11:03] <alkisg> Yey!!! :)
[11:03] <alkisg> Without a device tree?
[11:04] <ali1234> no, with a device tree
[11:04] <ali1234> that's all it took
[11:04] <alkisg> Ah, maybe that's why it was hanging here then, I didn't use the fdt "pxelinux" command
[11:04] <alkisg> Could you please post your configuration files?
[11:04] <ali1234> funnily enough, if you don't have a lpxelinux.0 on your tftp, u-boot automatically falls back to pxe load/pxe boot
[11:04] <ali1234> which "just works" as long as you have the right config
[11:05] <ali1234> so i didn't even need to type anything on u-boot
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[11:05] <ali1234> so on seial i got "Begin: Mounting root file system ... Begin: Running /scripts/local-top ... Begin: Setting up nbd-client ... Negotiation: ..size = 294MB
[11:05] <ali1234> bs=1024, sz=309157888 bytes"
[11:05] <ali1234> but no login prompt
[11:05] <alkisg> I also had some issues with u-boot not initializing the network card properly... `dhcp` would randomly get an ip or not
[11:05] <ali1234> or maybe it is still downloading
[11:06] <ali1234> dhcp always worked fine for me
[11:06] <ali1234> actually... the eth0 light is flashing lke crazy right now
[11:06] <alkisg> This ip is very slow, it'll take some time
[11:06] <ali1234> wah its doing something
[11:07] <alkisg> My fast ip is ok now, I can switch if you want to see it reaching the login screen
[11:07] <ali1234> nah i'm sure it will work... if it doesn't it's out of my area anyway :)
[11:07] <alkisg> It needs to download around 50mb till it shows the login prompt
[11:07] <alkisg> Right, I can get it from there! :)
[11:07] <ali1234> okay give me a bit to gather up all the bits
[11:07] <alkisg> Thank you!!!
[11:08] <alkisg> ali1234: if you prefer, it would be nicer to host the resulting .zip file yourself, and have the ltsp users download it from your site
[11:10] <alkisg> Also if you could comment a bit more on "(10:32:08 πμ) ali1234: there is one: you can't do device tree parameters easily with u-boot, because as i learned yesterday, those are specific to the pi bootloader"
[11:10] <alkisg> ...I don't know where different device tree parameters are needed. When people have different hardware combinations? Like cameras etc?
[11:11] <ali1234> yes
[11:11] <ali1234> well, not cameras actaully
[11:11] <ali1234> but to enable i2c, spi, touchscreens etc
[11:12] <alkisg> Would those need to be downloaded via tftp, or locally from the sd card?
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[11:12] <ali1234> you need overlays and parameters for them
[11:12] <ali1234> the bootloader has to support it
[11:12] <ali1234> or you can build a whole new device tree blob
[11:12] <alkisg> So the fdt command of u-boot isn't enough for them? It doesn't support passing parameters?
[11:13] <ali1234> unlikely since the ability to pass parameters was created by the pi foundation
[11:13] * alkisg is trying to see if a single sd card image will be good enough for all users, and the modifications would be in tftp...
[11:13] <ali1234> and it hasn't been upstreamed yet
[11:13] <alkisg> Got it
[11:13] <ali1234> but users can always replace the dtb
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[11:27] <ali1234> alkisg: so really all you need is this: http://paste.ubuntu.com/13081249/
[11:27] <ali1234> and a regular raspbian image
[11:28] <ali1234> and u-boot.bin built from mainline master as of today
[11:28] <alkisg> ali1234: I had problems building u-boot.bin with the instructions from that wiki page
[11:28] <ali1234> it worked fine for me
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[11:29] <alkisg> The instructions from http://elinux.org/RPi_U-Boot ?
[11:29] <ali1234> yes
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[11:29] <alkisg> ali1234: did you cross-compile, or did you compile directly in a Pi?
[11:29] <ali1234> cross compiled
[11:30] <alkisg> Meh. I'll try it yet one more time then.
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[11:30] <alkisg> Thank you very much for all your efforts ali1234, much appreciated. If you ever need anything related to netbooted (after the kernel is loaded :D) find me in #ltsp! :)
[11:31] <alkisg> *netbooting
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[11:34] <ali1234> alkisg: the u-boot.bin, device tree file and pxe config are here: http://al.robotfuzz.com/~al/random/rpipxe.tar.bz2
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[11:34] <alkisg> Thanks a lot! I'll get back to you with the results in a couple of days. :)
[11:37] <ali1234> basically take raspbian jessie image, put the config.txt nd u-boot.bin on the fat partition, put everything else on the tftp server, make sure you don't have lpxelinux.0 on the tftp server, and it will boot with no user interaction. it will take a long time to go through all the different pxe file names until it hits default though
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[13:05] <clever> last time i tried to netboot with u-boot, it would randomly fail in the middle of a kernel transfer, then boot half a kernel
[13:05] <clever> causing all kinds of fun
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[13:16] <superbia> hi, is this a good case http://www.ebay.com/itm/New-ABS-Plastic-Case-Box-Enclosure-for-Raspberry-Pi-2-Model-B-Pi-B-w-Screws-/131536342555?hash=item1ea02d4e1b:g:l04AAOSwstxVe9KD
[13:16] <superbia> or should i opt for a case with fan
[13:16] <superbia> such as this one http://www.ebay.com/itm/Transparent-Clear-Case-Enclosure-Box-Cooling-Fan-for-Raspberry-Pi2-Model-B-Kl-/391246203528?hash=item5b18174a88:g:eDAAAOSwLVZV5sYU
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[13:38] <superbia> ok i bought the cheaper one
[13:38] <superbia> now will this work with it http://www.ebay.com/itm/2013-New-USB-2-0-External-Mic-Speaker-3D-5-1-Channel-Audio-PC-Sound-Card-Adapter-/400619122274?hash=item5d46c2ae62:g:A4AAAOxyTjNSnZzs ?
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[13:40] <SimAV> Hi! Does someone in here know where I can find informations on the random number generator of a raspberrypi?
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[13:59] <thescatman> hey guys, wondering waht options would there be if I were to need to power a pi B over gpio or usb?
[13:59] <Thasan> SimAV: magic word "bcm2708-rng" may lead you to right way.
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[14:02] <gordonDrogon> thescatman, plug 5v in and go... you won't power-up a v2 over the USB port though and there are guidelines abour powering via the GPIO.
[14:03] <ozzzy> what's wrong with powering it through the power port
[14:03] <thescatman> it's a pi 1 B
[14:03] <gordonDrogon> thescatman, a make sure it's a rev 1.1 not a rev 1 - the rev 1 has 140mA polyfuses on the USB ports.
[14:03] <thescatman> tl;dr putting it in a housing that barely fits length-wise without the micro usb power attached
[14:03] <ozzzy> if you want to power it somehow else then tap into the board between the regulation/protection circuitry and the power port
[14:04] <thescatman> so I'm either considering powering it with test points 1 and 2, or gpio, or usb
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[14:04] <thescatman> I have a really terrible soldering iron though so not sure if soldering onto the board is a great idea atm
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[14:04] <gordonDrogon> I'd use the gpio port then.
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[14:11] <thescatman> gordonDrogon, I assume then I wouldn't be able to power an LED with the gpio then at the same time?
[14:11] <thescatman> as the 3.3v would be used to power the pi itself
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[14:12] <gordonDrogon> thescatman, you feed 5 into the GPIO port - then the Pi is the same as when being powered via the �USB port.
[14:12] <thescatman> ah the one I'm looking at says 3.3 too
[14:12] <gordonDrogon> the guidelines suggst protecting it with a polyfuse where possible.
[14:12] <gordonDrogon> you do not supply 3.3v to the Pi. It generates it.
[14:12] <gordonDrogon> it generates the 3.3v and 1.8v from the incoming 5v supply.
[14:13] <thescatman> ah oik
[14:13] <thescatman> so all I'd need to do it plug in the 5v and gnd from my usb cable
[14:13] <thescatman> is*
[14:13] <gordonDrogon> yes - or plug it into a USB port.
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[14:13] <gordonDrogon> since it's already a USB cable.
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[14:14] <thescatman> if I could plug a usb-usb cable into the usb port would be a lot easier but can't work out exactly what pi this is
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[14:14] <thescatman> 90% sure it's the 512MB model b
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[14:15] <Matt> why don't you want to power it from the microUSB?
[14:15] <gordonDrogon> there are 2 variants - the early ones had polyfuses on the usb ports - that'll stop you powering it up. look for 2 little green things near the ports.
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[14:15] <gordonDrogon> Matt, wont fit in the case apparently ...
[14:15] <Matt> oh, hum
[14:15] <Matt> not even with a right-angle connector?
[14:16] <thescatman> adding microsub to the b increases length by about half an inch
[14:16] <Matt> you could still power it up without the case if you want to check what model it is
[14:16] <thescatman> I've removed the cladding or whatever already
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[14:19] <thescatman> ok yes it's the pi b re 2.0 512MB
[14:19] <thescatman> Matt
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[14:21] <thescatman> gordonDrogon, no polyfuses
[14:22] <thescatman> so I could just power it with a usb-usb cable... sure I have one lying around
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[14:24] <Matt> whee, this one is still up
[14:24] <Matt> I wasn't sure if it was or not
[14:24] <Matt> Type: Model B, Revision: 1.1, Memory: 256MB, Maker: Egoman
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[14:26] <Matt> it can't see much tho
[14:27] <Matt> http://pkl.net/~matt/cam.jpg
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[14:30] <shiftplusone> clearly, a ghost
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[14:31] <Matt> shiftplusone: that was my first thought too :)
[14:31] <Matt> I *think* it's on the floor under my workbench in the basement
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[14:32] <Matt> (it was on the workbench, I think it fell off cause it's not there anymore)
[14:32] <shiftplusone> heh
[14:32] <_5378_> or it got pushed down
[14:32] <_5378_> :3
[14:33] <SimAV> Thasan, thanks for the hint
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[14:34] <Matt> http://i.imgur.com/JPjkPOZ.jpg gives you an idea of what I'm dealing with :)
[14:34] <Matt> (that pi was on the bench to the left of the picture)
[14:36] <shiftplusone> That's a lot of assorted things.... nice.
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[14:37] <thescatman> well today I learned you can cut 80% of an SD card off and it will still work
[14:38] <thescatman> whole board is directly under the contacts
[14:38] <shiftplusone> depends on the card
[14:39] <thescatman> Oh yeah
[14:39] <thescatman> did pull it apart to make sure first
[14:39] <MY123_SurfaceRT> NodeJS seems to be fast enough on a quad-core Cortex-A9
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[14:41] <MY123_SurfaceRT> used it with Chakra though, slow as hell with V8 as the JIT doesn't work on ARMT2
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[14:42] <MY123_SurfaceRT> but it works with "ARM"
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[14:45] <Matt> shiftplusone: that was also half-way through a build
[14:45] <Matt> at the moment my desk is covered in bits of tektronix 5403/d41
[14:45] <MY123_SurfaceRT> not having a JIT for Thumb is stupid
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[14:46] <Angs> I downloaded "RASPBIAN JESSIE" image from raspberrpi.org that has 4.02 GB size. I have kingston and scandisk 4GB sd card that is smaller than the available image. Is there another official image that has smaller size?
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[14:47] <shiftplusone> Angs: https://repo.xecdesign.com/tmp/2015-10-23-raspbian-jessie-noX.zip if you don't need all the graphics and stuff
[14:48] <Angs> shiftplusone, I don't need the graphs, just terminal. Thank you
[14:48] <Angs> is it your archive?
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[15:01] <Vrooom> what is best media player out there? I have PI 2
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[15:03] <TheLostAdmin> itunes but it doesn't run on the Pi.
[15:04] <selckin> vlc
[15:06] <shiftplusone> Angs: nuh, the image in that archive is the official image without the X stuff pre-installed
[15:06] <shiftplusone> Depends on the media and your preferences
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[15:07] <shiftplusone> I'd say moc, various mpd clients, omxplayer, kodi, vlc and so on.
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[15:42] <Svardskampe> why do so many monitors rely on the raspberry GPIO ports :/ what if I need them for other stuff
[15:42] <Svardskampe> pretty tough to find a decent one with the DSI connector
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[15:44] <JK-47> Svardskampe: get a header or break out your own.
[15:48] <Svardskampe> hmm
[15:48] <TheLostAdmin> Svardskampe, I was annoyed by the lack of DSI. I just checked and found this: https://www.raspberrypi.org/blog/the-eagerly-awaited-raspberry-pi-display/
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[15:50] <Svardskampe> ye that looks good
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[15:50] <Svardskampe> only I need it to be about as large as the pi itself, so 3,5¨ ish
[15:50] <Svardskampe> :/
[15:50] <TheLostAdmin> I've been looking for something similar for a while now and haven't found any either.
[15:51] <Svardskampe> that sucks
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[15:51] <TheLostAdmin> Not at rpi prices anyway.
[15:52] <TheLostAdmin> Using that we could have the thickest tablet on the planet.
[15:52] <Svardskampe> adafruit made that right :p
[15:52] <Svardskampe> in a video
[15:52] <Svardskampe> its like a friggin box instead of a tablet
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[15:55] <JK-47> official display is overpriced...
[15:55] <ali1234> I don't think it is really
[15:55] <ali1234> it isn't just a raw screen
[15:56] <JK-47> for $60 i can buy a portable dvd player with the same size or bigger display and batteries
[15:56] <JK-47> the components are out there…
[15:56] <TheLostAdmin> JK-47, where can I buy a similar DSI screen for less?
[15:56] <Svardskampe> with touch
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[15:58] <IT_Sean> TheLostAdmin: you aren't going to find another pi-compatable DSI display.
[15:58] <TheLostAdmin> IT_Sean, that's what I thought but JK-47 indicated they exist.
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[15:59] <TheLostAdmin> Now I'm going to need to find/make a bigger treasure chest for my RPi 2 so I can put the screen in there.
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[16:03] <Corsac> hey there
[16:04] <Corsac> any advice on a case for raspi model A for timelapse stuff?
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[16:05] <Svardskampe> euh...any case?
[16:06] <JK-47> you mean outside? inside? what
[16:07] <JK-47> inside, these are my favorite cases. http://smarticase.com
[16:07] <Corsac> to be a little more specific: obviously I'll need to let the camera ribbon go outside the case, but I'm wondering if there are cases with buttons or switches
[16:07] <Corsac> also are there cases with a battery?
[16:07] <JK-47> again, for what purpose? which button types?
[16:07] <Svardskampe> thats a pretty cool case JK-47
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[16:08] <JK-47> you could just use a lego mindstorm button on that case. itll stick to it lol
[16:08] <Corsac> JK-47: for having a quick way to run the timelapse, stop it, maybe shutdown the pi gracefuly
[16:09] <Corsac> JK-47: also those cases are advertised for Pi B+ and 2, not A
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[16:09] <JK-47> with enough glue, everything fits
[16:09] <Corsac> :)
[16:10] <Corsac> the goal would be to have a somehow standalone and tiny device which you can put somewhere and start the timelapse without having a laptop to get the serial console
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[16:10] <Corsac> (or ssh)
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[16:10] <JK-47> just have your timelapse script run on startup. nothign special needed really
[16:10] <ali1234> hey Corsac
[16:11] <Corsac> hey ali1234 :)
[16:11] <ali1234> if you don't need it to be waterproof i recommend the pibow
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[16:11] <ali1234> it doesn't have a camera mount but it is very easy to mod
[16:11] <Corsac> JK-47: that'd do for a start, but I'd find it nice to be able to start/stop the timelapse from the outside
[16:11] <JK-47> adding a button is pretty easy.
[16:11] <Corsac> so wiring a gpio to a switch
[16:11] <JK-47> or a flip switch
[16:12] <Corsac> yeah but the case needs to handle that
[16:13] <IT_Sean> Corsac: at some point, you are going to have to fab something up. What you are asking for does not exist, specifically.
[16:13] <JK-47> lego button ;) http://powerfunctions.lego.com/en-us/ElementSpecs/8869.aspx
[16:13] <JK-47> to the smartipi case lol
[16:14] <IT_Sean> At some point, some custom work will be required.
[16:14] <Corsac> ali1234: https://shop.pimoroni.com/collections/raspberry-pi/products/model-a-pibow ?
[16:15] <ali1234> yes. they have different variations for each model
[16:15] <Corsac> hmhm, not sure if A and A+ have the same form factor actually
[16:15] <ali1234> basically it's just stacked layers. you can put in spacers and extra layers
[16:15] <ali1234> they don't
[16:15] <ali1234> A+ is smaller
[16:16] <Corsac> https://shop.pimoroni.com/collections/raspberry-pi/products/a-coupe-royale-pibow then
[16:16] <ali1234> the coupe is like a half height version
[16:16] <ali1234> i use those, it makes the gpios easier to access
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[16:18] <ali1234> ah i guess they only do the coupe for A+... because it is slimmer anyway with no ethernet ports
[16:18] <ali1234> there aren't really that many cases specifically for the A+ cos not many people use them
[16:19] <ali1234> compared with the B anyway
[16:19] <IT_Sean> the ethernet port on the B is the tallest component, and sort of dictates the height of the case.
[16:19] <ali1234> IT_Sean: yeah they stick out the top of the B pibow coupe
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[16:20] <Corsac> ali1234: yeah, I took the A+ specifically for this timelapse stuff, so I wanted a small power usage and didn't need an ethernet port
[16:20] <shauno> not entirely related, try saying "B pibow coupe" out loud. as logical as it looks, it's a pretty alien mouthful
[16:21] <ali1234> yeah, same
[16:21] <Corsac> although the small form factor won't really fit with a battery :)
[16:21] <Corsac> (also, any advice on external power pack?)
[16:21] <ali1234> yep
[16:21] <ali1234> build your own
[16:21] <ali1234> with salvaged laptop cells
[16:21] <IT_Sean> that's a bit silly.
[16:21] <ali1234> not really
[16:22] <IT_Sean> Corsac: any USB battery pack should do, so long as it can deliver at least 1A.
[16:22] <ali1234> cells from an old laptop battery are probably better quality than the junk on ebay
[16:22] <IT_Sean> Corsac: People generally have good luck with Anker battery packs.
[16:22] <shauno> I've had problems with generic usb battery packs powering themselves off, like a sleep mode
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[16:23] <TheLostAdmin> I *think* Adafruit has a battery pack set-up specifically for the Pi.
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[16:24] <ali1234> it's really not hard at all to build your own pack you know
[16:24] <ozzzy> Arduinos are much better suited to timelapse than pis
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[16:26] <ali1234> ozzzy: how so?
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[16:27] <ozzzy> they'll run for months on a 9v brick, are simple to program and much simpler to interface with other logic
[16:28] <ali1234> like cameras?
[16:28] <ozzzy> yep
[16:28] <ali1234> how do you connect a camera to arduino?
[16:28] <ozzzy> REAL cameras that is....
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[16:28] <ozzzy> with an optocoupler and a cable
[16:28] <ali1234> wat
[16:28] <ali1234> you mean just make the arduino press the "take photo" button and have the camera record everything itself?
[16:28] <ozzzy> yep
[16:29] <ozzzy> or, if your camera can do it, send it to you via wifi
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[16:29] <Corsac> but using the Pi camera is handy
[16:29] <ali1234> i think the intention here is to use the pi camera
[16:29] <ozzzy> it's not a camera... it's a toy
[16:29] <ali1234> it's not a great camera bt it's not terrible
[16:29] <ali1234> as long as you have plenty of light that is
[16:29] <ozzzy> I think more along the lines of DSLRs
[16:30] <ali1234> well, modern DSLRs probably have a built in time lapse mode anyway
[16:30] <ozzzy> some
[16:31] <ozzzy> my nikon does but I find our intervalometer does a much better job
[16:31] <ozzzy> it's AVR based
[16:31] <ozzzy> [shrug]
[16:31] <ozzzy> my tuppence worth
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[16:35] <Corsac> thank you for your help anyway :)
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[16:35] <IT_Sean> wheeeeee
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[16:36] <ali1234> Corsac: if you;re going to go down the battery pack rabbit hole, you should research how to tell if they are dangerous at least
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[16:36] <Corsac> ali1234: I don't think I'll take the ebay or even dealextreme road :)
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[16:36] <ali1234> Corsac: even people who should know better are selling dangerous stuff :/
[16:37] <ali1234> a major mobile phone manufacturer gave away faulty ones at an event recently
[16:37] <Corsac> at first I think I'll just get a standard USB battery pack (like the Anker mentionned above, or maybe the Pi-specific one found here and there)
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[16:37] <Corsac> ali1234: even Boeing doesn't really manage to handle batteries correctly :)
[16:37] <ali1234> there are also lots of fakes
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[16:39] <Corsac> problem with buying cheap stuff (like the pibow A+ case) is that you often pay more for shipping than for the items
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[16:39] <ozzzy> I buy lots on ebay... always 'buy it now' with 'free international shipping'
[16:40] <ali1234> china post...
[16:40] <ozzzy> just ordered a couple of Android set-top boxes
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[16:40] <TheLostAdmin> Has anyone had the opportunity to play with the Sense Hat yet? I noticed that is now available too.
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[16:41] <ali1234> Corsac: i recommend getting a coupe of pibows and a set of extended spacers
[16:41] <ali1234> couple*
[16:41] <TheLostAdmin> I'm wondering how one would deal with the heat generated by the board and the Pi itself for the temperature sensors.
[16:41] <Corsac> ali1234: any pointer to the individual spacers?
[16:41] <thescatman> the pi's compatible with this right? http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B00MXD2T5G?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_detailpage_o02_s00
[16:41] <ali1234> Corsac: just looking for them
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[16:42] <thescatman> bought it, and am unable to connect to wifi through motionpie
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[16:42] <thescatman> it has a button on the top of it
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[16:45] <ali1234> Corsac: can't find it... maybe i imagined it
[16:47] <ali1234> Corsac: https://shop.pimoroni.com/products/pibow-extender-bolt-pack
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[16:48] <ali1234> you can also buy single layers: https://shop.pimoroni.com/products/pibow-modification-layers - but unfortunately not for the A+
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[16:50] <ali1234> looking at my A+, buying two cases and bodging them together probably won't work as well as i thought
[16:51] <ali1234> you'd have to make your own front panel pretty much
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[16:54] <JK-47> http://mausberry-circuits.myshopify.com/collections/frontpage/products/shutdown-switch-with-rocker pretty cool power switch
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[18:38] <Moonsilence> Hi! What does hashed mean, in context of the type command?
[18:39] <gorroth> Moonsilence: you using cshell?
[18:39] <gorroth> i.e. csh
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[18:39] <Moonsilence> bash
[18:39] <gorroth> then it doesn't mean anything
[18:39] <gorroth> if you have a command like that, it's part of some package: "man hashed"
[18:40] <gorroth> oh, maybe i misunderstood what you were asking
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[18:40] <gorroth> my bad
[18:40] <gorroth> on what kind of file is 'type' saying 'hashed'?
[18:40] <SpeedEvil> hashed means that the shell has remembered where a command is
[18:41] <SpeedEvil> and will look there, not do a path search
[18:41] <Moonsilence> SpeedEvil, thanks.
[18:42] <gorroth> uh, you were asking how the 'type' command works and why it prints 'hashed', right?
[18:42] <SpeedEvil> see man bash for 'type' and 'hash'
[18:42] <SpeedEvil> type [-aftpP] name [name ...]
[18:42] <SpeedEvil> With no options, indicate how each name would be interpreted if
[18:42] <SpeedEvil> used as a command name.
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[18:43] <gorroth> well, in context of the orgiinal question, he was asking why 'type' would say something like 'hashed', which i've never seen. i've only ever seen 'hashed' used in the context of csh, since you have to rehash your PATH when you update items in it
[18:43] <gorroth> oh well
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[18:55] <thescatman> can anyone help me work out why my wifi stick for my pi is coming up as wlan1: no device
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[19:09] <thescatman> can anyone help me work out why my pi won't recognise a wifi stick?
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[19:10] <myself> pastebin the results of lsusb?
[19:10] <TheLostAdmin> Have you checked the list of compatible wifi sticks against the one you are using? That's the best help I can offer.
[19:10] <shiftplusone> thescatman: pastebin the output of lsusb, ifconfig -a and dmesg
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[19:12] <thescatman> shiftplusone, with ethernet connected?
[19:12] <thescatman> alright
[19:12] <soapdish> use a wifi branch instead
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[19:13] <thescatman> branch?
[19:14] <soapdish> yeah its stronger than just a stick
[19:15] <Spiffy> ...
[19:15] <thescatman> Not sure what you're talking about but I'm pretty sure that wouldn't fit in the case I'm using
[19:16] * IT_Sean thumps soapdish with a rolled up newspaper
[19:16] <IT_Sean> Bad!
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[19:21] <thescatman> oh, it was a terrible joke
[19:21] * myself clubs soapdish over the head with a stout wifi staff
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[19:26] <thescatman> shiftplusone, http://pastebin.com/pn4Tag5r
[19:26] <ali1234> wow, none of your devices has a name?
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[19:27] <thescatman> Apparerntly not
[19:27] <shiftplusone> Not a kernel I support
[19:27] <thescatman> looking at it, I reckon it's easier to unplug the lapdock that i'm using to work out the issue... sec
[19:27] <shiftplusone> But I guess you're missing the module
[19:28] <thescatman> any idea how to add it?
[19:28] <shiftplusone> idk what that kernel is
[19:28] <shiftplusone> oh... buildroot generated
[19:29] <thescatman> it's motionpie
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[19:29] <ali1234> mediatek 802.11n vid=148f pid=7601
[19:29] <thescatman> this is the stick I have http://www.modmypi.com/blog/how-to-set-up-the-ralink-rt5370-wifi-dongle-on-raspian
[19:29] <thescatman> ralink rt5370
[19:29] <thescatman> but I can't use sudo
[19:30] <ali1234> you dont need to use sudo you are root already
[19:30] <shiftplusone> Either get familiar with compiling the kernel and buildroot (specifically, how to modify the .config) or send a request to the motionpie people
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[19:30] <thescatman> :|
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[19:32] <ali1234> RT5370 USB-ID 148f:7601 Advertised on eBay as RT5370 chipset but has Mediatek 7601T chip instead. [8] DOES NOT WORK out of the box; requires compiling a driver downloadable from mediatek.com or from github.com. MT7601 doesn't work with default hostapd.
[19:32] <ali1234> https://github.com/porjo/mt7601
[19:32] <ali1234> - http://elinux.org/RPi_USB_Wi-Fi_Adapters#Problem_USB_Wi-Fi_Adapters
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[19:32] <ali1234> naughty modmypi for selling that
[19:32] <exobuzz> better to just buy a new usb stick
[19:33] <exobuzz> can buy a linux compatible one without need for drivers for £5
[19:33] <thescatman> egh think I'm gonna have to then
[19:33] <ali1234> unless you bought it somewhere else i mean
[19:33] <thescatman> mine cost £6 but I do need a decent range
[19:33] <exobuzz> (without need for 3rd party drivers i meant of course etc)
[19:33] <thescatman> (laptop can connect, phones can't)
[19:34] <ali1234> trying to run an access point?
[19:34] <thescatman> nope, a camera
[19:34] <thescatman> https://gyazo.com/ed45ba889c85e0db64b9ddd3414e2d74
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[19:35] <exobuzz> get an additional access point for the house ?
[19:35] <ali1234> what's that?
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[19:35] <ali1234> oh motionPie
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[19:35] <thescatman> exobuzz, I don't need one for anything else
[19:35] <soapdish> i want to get a new motion light for the front of the house and hide a pi with a camera inside the base of it
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[19:36] <thescatman> the pi's going on the wall outside
[19:36] <thescatman> got a cctv housing and everything done
[19:36] <exobuzz> cable it ? :)
[19:37] <exobuzz> you could power it over the ethernet too then.
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[19:37] <thescatman> can't go that route
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[19:38] <thescatman> no way to get it into the house, and it'll be above next door's garage - they have a floodlight
[19:38] <exobuzz> then you are going to need a better wifi network it seems :)
[19:38] <thescatman> not for anything but the pi, so I don't see why
[19:38] <exobuzz> sounds like you don't want a solution :)
[19:39] <thescatman> it's a solution to a problem that doesn't exist.
[19:39] <exobuzz> your wifi is strong enough ? then i misunderstood
[19:39] <thescatman> it's strong enough for a not shit wifi stick
[19:40] <gordonDrogon> that would be a family friendly wi-fi stick, then?
[19:40] <exobuzz> then buy a new non shit one with a chipset supported out of the box on linux, or get compiling :)
[19:40] <myself> it sounds like you've identified the problem then :)
[19:40] <thescatman> I don't think you get the issue... my pi's right next to the router right now
[19:41] <exobuzz> i give up.
[19:41] <thescatman> I put that stick in my laptop and put it where it will go, and connectivity was perfect
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[19:41] <thescatman> so why I need a repeater etc I don't get it
[19:42] <gordonDrogon> a little reminder of the channel rules: https://goo.gl/h5qPhz
[19:42] <thescatman> sorry, didn't consider that excessive
[19:42] <exobuzz> apologies - i also repeated said word.
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[19:43] <gordonDrogon> ok, thanks.
[19:43] <shiftplusone> the stick should have out of the box support on pretty much any decent distro
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[19:44] <shiftplusone> "thing some guy on the internet made with buildroot" is another story
[19:44] <gordonDrogon> I have an old house that needs 3 access points for full coverage...
[19:44] <exobuzz> gordonDrogon, heh know that problem. they built good walls :)
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[19:44] <gordonDrogon> Wi-Fi simply does not go through granite and limestone walls.
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[19:44] <myself> ahh, plaster over metal lath
[19:44] <myself> whoah, granite?
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[19:44] <thescatman> I have a 1 bed flat, really don't need more than one ap. student life
[19:45] <TheLostAdmin> You have granite walls?
[19:45] <myself> I wish there was a 900MHz wifi standard
[19:45] <gordonDrogon> probably mostly limestone.
[19:45] <myself> I'd happily take 1/10th the speed for 10x the range
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[19:45] <gordonDrogon> but in the past they used to in-fill with anything to hand - I'm on the edge of a rather large lump of granite called Dartmoor.
[19:45] <exobuzz> :)
[19:45] <TheLostAdmin> I live in an old (70's) appartment and I need 2 APs for full coverage. I just don't use computers in the bedroom. It's easier that way.
[19:46] <myself> Probably healthier anyway.
[19:46] <gordonDrogon> I think my house is 260 years old, but its hard to tell.
[19:46] <myself> I've seen a lot of advice saying to keep the bedroom distraction-free, and of course I ignore said advice. :P
[19:46] <exobuzz> only my external walls are solid brick, so I don't know why wifi is quite as bad as it is, but you get nothing in the garden etc. currently on 2 wifi points to get ok coverage in house. no 1080p streaming though :)
[19:47] <gordonDrogon> Wi-Fi was never designed to go through brick. the signal level is very very low.
[19:47] <exobuzz> external walls built out of engineering bricks by the railway in 1901. drilling into them is always fun
[19:47] <gordonDrogon> get an SDS drill. essential round here.
[19:48] <myself> Heh. Another vote for SDS, I treasure mine. :)
[19:48] <TheLostAdmin> My walls are rebar reinforce concrete. Mounting brackets are fun here.
[19:48] <myself> It's so hilarious going through cheap cinder-block, it's like drilling through florist foam.
[19:48] <exobuzz> :)
[19:49] <gordonDrogon> I did a lot of work with wi-fi here (in the town I live in) a decade or so ago - built an entire network to supply broadband to the houses here.
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[19:49] <exobuzz> that's awesome
[19:49] <gordonDrogon> learnt a lot about just how rubbish it really is.
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[19:50] <Xenthys> Is anyone interested to meet a retarded IRC bot? Only one person for now, thanks
[19:51] <gordonDrogon> right. to the bakehouse - my sourdough is calling...
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[19:58] <toomin> Funny.
[19:58] <toomin> I'm eating some right now.
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[20:25] <thescatman> ,seen mack_5991
[20:25] <thescatman> oops wrong channel
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[20:27] <IT_Sean> Bad!
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[21:08] <Tenkawa> hi all
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[21:16] <toomin> That's a familiar name.
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[21:58] * arekm is looking on how to modify piscreen-overlay.dtb (add one new parameter)
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[22:00] <arekm> ok, found
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[22:56] <myself> Whee!
[22:56] <myself> My first 74HC595 on SPI Just Worked(tm) the very first time I echo'd something to spidev
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[23:21] <pybokeh> got a rpi 2 and trying to make static ip when it is on wireless or wlan0, in the /etc/network/interfaces file, do I need to keep the auto wlan, allow-hotplug wlan0 lines?
[23:21] <pybokeh> going thru this tutorial and it doesn't say what to do with those lines http://www.modmypi.com/blog/tutorial-how-to-give-your-raspberry-pi-a-static-ip-address
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[23:22] <pybokeh> there is also a line that says: wpa-conf /etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf do i need to keep that as well?
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[23:45] <sasha> I'm thinking of building something that would sit in a field and that I could control from my phone over the web (so with a publicly accessible url)
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[23:46] <sasha> Any ideas of what would be best to do? I was thinking of using something like websockets, but then what sort of battery life would I expect with a RPi running a server with an active websockets connection?
[23:46] <sasha> Any ideas what sorts of data usage I would see with this? Or any other better ideas?
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[23:48] <t3chguy> sasha: best for battery and data would be having the web app elsewhere and have the pi poll a server
[23:49] <Gamah> that would depend on how much data you transmit
[23:49] <Gamah> oh wait battery life, whoops
[23:49] <t3chguy> I don't know of any data plan (3g, etc) that allows for hosting
[23:49] <sasha> t3chguy: but can I get it to work in real time? I was already thinking of using a cdn for all other resources
[23:49] <t3chguy> sasha: polling once a second is pretty much real time
[23:50] <t3chguy> It's a small tradeoff for improved efficiency
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[23:50] <sasha> hmm and what sort of power consumption would be expected with this setup?
[23:50] <sasha> say I get a rpi a + 4g dongle
[23:51] <Berg> if its in a field mis the field sunny use solar to charge and run
[23:51] <t3chguy> Well if you're using mobile data you can't host anything anyway
[23:51] <t3chguy> You'd need to use a server running the webapp
[23:51] <t3chguy> I imagine 4g dongles to be more power hungry than the pi itself
[23:51] <t3chguy> Depends on the dongle though
[23:51] <sasha> ah right didn't think of that, but couldn't I reverse proxy the server?
[23:52] <t3chguy> It wouldn't be a reverse proxy
[23:52] <t3chguy> You could reverse tunnel
[23:52] <sasha> basically I'm brainstorming a http://imgur.com/a/RkTw7 which is connected
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[23:54] <SpeedEvil> Berg: I note that to run a Pi 24*7 here (scotland) you need a 250 watt panel.
[23:54] <SpeedEvil> Berg: and a 100Ah 12V battery.
[23:54] <Berg> thats a thought SpeedEvil
[23:54] <t3chguy> The pi itself won't use much power
[23:54] <SpeedEvil> (as you mostly need to size for december/january)
[23:54] <Berg> here you would not need half that
[23:54] <t3chguy> The 4g dongle is what you'll need to be weary of
[23:54] <SpeedEvil> It's modestly better in england, but not that much
[23:54] <sasha> wait wait why a 250w panel? doesn't that sound like overkill?
[23:54] <SpeedEvil> sasha: Because it's not.
[23:55] <SpeedEvil> sasha: 250W peak output in summer.
[23:55] <sasha> does it power anything else or just the pi?
[23:55] <Berg> SpeedEvil: i have not tried what the lowest solar pannel you would need to run one in australia would be so yes a very valid point
[23:55] <SpeedEvil> sasha: If you've got to size it for a month of dull short days, on a dull december/january, you need a _lot_ of panel.
[23:55] <SpeedEvil> In some places, you can get away with ~40W
[23:56] <sasha> ah no this isn't a permanent type of setup, just for festivals and other outdoor events
[23:56] <SpeedEvil> ah
[23:56] <sasha> so realistically 1 week at a time at most
[23:56] <sasha> but I'm just brainstorming this out right now
[23:56] <Berg> kill him for omiting info
[23:56] <SpeedEvil> Well, 100Ah/12V will run it a couple of weeks comfortably - probably a week with the Pi and mobile
[23:57] <t3chguy> + a small solar to keep it topped up would be a comfortable week for pi and mobile
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[23:57] <Berg> <--loves solar
[23:58] <Berg> \is it wndy sasha
[23:58] <Berg> windy
[23:58] <t3chguy> Lol Berg, you gonna suggest a turbine?
[23:58] <sasha> I dunno, I don't think it would particularly be windy
[23:58] <Berg> you know i am
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[23:59] <t3chguy> Just casually erecting a wind turbine in the middle of a music fest
[23:59] <sasha> in terms of specs, I'm thinking of something similar to this build: http://imgur.com/a/RkTw7
[23:59] <Berg> sure
[23:59] <sasha> t3chguy ^^
[23:59] <Berg> my gallery http://gallery.anotherpower.com/main.php/v/bergs+place/?g2_GALLERYSID=ffc6d9d551841a13af20bff3f94f1345
[23:59] <sasha> so basically charge 10 phones a day + power leds that are remotely controllable + maybe charge a laptop or two a day.. all for a week
[23:59] <Berg> stop that berg you spammer

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