#raspberrypi IRC Log


IRC Log for 2015-11-13

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[0:01] <platzhirsch> Has anyone experience with turning of the desktop switcher animation?
[0:02] <platzhirsch> I switch between workspaces with wctrl and it shows this annoying screen in the middle
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[0:02] <platzhirsch> wnctrl
[0:02] <[Saint]> I've used a GUI DE on raspi like...twice.
[0:02] <[Saint]> Sorry. ;)
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[0:03] <platzhirsch> Then can anyone tell me what desktop it's running vanilla?
[0:04] <[Saint]> Not without you saying what distribution you're using.
[0:04] <platzhirsch> distribution, hmm
[0:04] <platzhirsch> should be Debian really
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[0:04] <platzhirsch> ah Raspbian
[0:05] <[Saint]> LXDE
[0:05] <platzhirsch> thanks :)
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[0:06] <[Saint]> 99.999% of the time on my SBC dev boards I don't even have a windowmanager running. Let alone a DE.
[0:07] <[Saint]> Even the pi 2 I don't see as being a particularly competent machine for running a desktop environment.
[0:07] <platzhirsch> yeah we use it for our office stats screen
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[0:08] <platzhirsch> displaying graphs of server health
[0:08] <platzhirsch> and release countdowns
[0:09] <Karlton> even the rpi 1 is good enough if you use hardware accel
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[0:09] <Karlton> x11 uses software unless you use the new vc4 driver
[0:09] <[Saint]> If you have a very low bar for "good enough", I guess, sure.
[0:10] <[Saint]> It would have a hear attack trying to drive my monitors. :)
[0:10] <[Saint]> *heart
[0:10] <platzhirsch> it's funny how such a thing like this short display of the current workspace drives me nuts, such a perfectionist, stuipid
[0:10] <Karlton> 60fps at 1080p is good enough for me
[0:11] <Karlton> although I only have a 1366x768 monitor
[0:11] <[Saint]> aha. right.
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[0:15] <Karlton> dual monitors usually mean using software though
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[0:16] <[Saint]> How so?
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[0:16] <Karlton> I don't know of any driver that can use the hardware for both displays unless wayland has a way of doing it
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[0:17] <Karlton> x11 will use software rendering for the secondary displays iirc
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[0:19] <[Saint]> errrr...basemosiac?
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[0:19] <[Saint]> I run 4 video cards, so, my setup might be a little different to the conventional I would think.
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[0:20] <[Saint]> I didn't realize that multi-monitor with a single GPU meant the secondary display(s) fall back to software.
[0:20] <[Saint]> That's mildly disgusting.
[0:20] <bsuh> i'm trying to flash raspbian image onto a microsd card. unfortunately the only microsd card reader i have is the raspberry pi itself. i have raspbian installed on the preloaded 8 GB microsd card.
[0:21] <[Saint]> bsuh: not gonna happen.
[0:21] <[Saint]> well...not trivially.
[0:21] <[Saint]> You'd need to pivot root out to USB first I would think. A lot of hassle.
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[0:22] <[Saint]> Unsurprisingly systems don't like having their operating systems wiped out while they're running. ;)
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[0:23] <[Saint]> And the raspi can't operate as a passive host with USB passthrough.
[0:23] <bsuh> How do I pivot the root to USB?
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[0:24] <[Saint]> mount and write a new, or copy the existing root partition to a USB volume, then chroot to it.
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[0:25] <[Saint]> this will put you in a slightly odd situation if you mess it up in any way that makes it unbootable though.
[0:25] <Karlton> or just change /etc/fstab and /boot/cmdline.txt to point to the new root partition
[0:26] <bsuh> I'm not sure which of the partitions is the root partition
[0:26] <[Saint]> df is.
[0:26] <bsuh> with df i only get rootfs and /dev/root
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[0:27] <bsuh> not a label like /dev/mmcblk0p3
[0:27] <Karlton> cat /etc/fstab and look for the device name for /
[0:27] <bsuh> cool that worked
[0:27] <[Saint]> there will be an obvious "mounted on /" for the root partition with df.
[0:27] <[Saint]> regardless what it is called, the mountpoint will be /
[0:28] <[Saint]> by default it should be /dev/mmcblk0p2
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[0:28] <[Saint]> (2nd partition on first block device)
[0:28] <[Saint]> first is /boot, naturally.
[0:29] <bsuh> it was p6
[0:29] <[Saint]> Ah...NOOBS?
[0:29] <bsuh> i think the preloaded has some recovery partitions and such
[0:29] <[Saint]> ugh, yep, NOOBS.
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[0:30] <[Saint]> sorry, I keep forgetting that thing exists.
[0:30] <bsuh> so once I chroot into the USB
[0:30] <bsuh> uh do i have to unmount the microsd
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[0:33] <[Saint]> you should be able to get away with just doing a umount on /boot and /
[0:33] <[Saint]> you'll also need to do some bind mounts before you do though, so things will actually work.
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[0:34] <[Saint]> if you're getting addresses from DHCP, you'll likely need to add a new nameserver to resolv.conf temporarily if you need net access too.
[0:35] <[Saint]> mount --bind /dev /mnt/dev; mount --bind /sys /mnt/sys; mount --bind /proc /mnt/proc would be required offhand.
[0:35] <[Saint]> (you'd need to adjust those points to whatever you're mounting the chroot image under)
[0:36] <bsuh> uh i think i'll go with changing /boot/cmdline.txt and /etc/fstab
[0:36] <bsuh> that seems safer
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[0:36] <[Saint]> This is all "safe", potentially intimidating, granted, but safe nonetheless.
[0:37] <[Saint]> Do you have a backup of any data that you actually want to keep?
[0:37] <[Saint]> that might be a prudent thing to do at this stage.
[0:38] <bsuh> there's nothing i have except plain NOOBS install
[0:38] <[Saint]> aha.
[0:38] <[Saint]> I'm somewhat surprised that NOOBS doesn't have a "Nuke the BOOBS install with the image of my choice from my surrently configured images" option.
[0:39] <[Saint]> errr....whoops, lol
[0:39] <[Saint]> *NOOBS
[0:39] <[Saint]> heh - boobs.
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[0:39] <bsuh> I think it might. Right after install, it says something like expand installation to fit entire SD card
[0:40] <[Saint]> Nah, that's just making use of all the available space on the sdcard.
[0:40] <[Saint]> Not expanding a single given image.
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[0:41] <bsuh> Well keeping the recovery partition was useful, because my first install I was compiling stuff and ran out of disk space, and then it wouldn't boot anymore....so I had to reinstall
[0:42] <[Saint]> That's...odd.
[0:42] <[Saint]> I can't offhand think of any reason why a full partition would prevent booting.
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[0:44] <bsuh> Well I got kicked off ssh and couldn't relogin, so I did a power cycle. Maybe the root partition got corrupt from that.
[0:44] <[Saint]> Likely so.
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[0:52] <[Saint]> http://www.stuff.co.nz/life-style/food-wine/food-news/73986567/Whats-New-Zealands-first-cat-cafe-really-like
[0:52] <[Saint]> bah - wrong window, anyway, - enjoy kitties, I guess.
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[0:56] <bsuh> [Saint]: do I chroot before or after chrooting?
[0:57] <bsuh> [Saint]: do I do the bind mounts before or after chrooting?
[0:57] <bsuh> i can't think
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[0:57] <[Saint]> I thought you were just going to edit the fstab?
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[0:57] <bsuh> I could
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[1:00] <Karlton> eheheh udo mount -t proc proc /mnt/proc && mount --rbind /dev /mnt/dev && mount --rbind /sys /mnt/sys before chrooting
[1:00] <Karlton> err wtf
[1:01] <bsuh> too late
[1:01] <bsuh> already rebooted with modified fstab
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[1:01] <bsuh> and all seems good
[1:01] <[Saint]> Did you have a stroke Karlton?
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[1:04] <Karlton> didn't clear some characters off my screen before typing I guess
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[1:06] <Karlton> if it worked you should be able to umount /boot and pull the SD card out without problems
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[1:08] <bsuh> yep currently unziping so i can dd
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[1:43] <Rubafix> Hello I added the bcm2709-rng module, how can I test it and how to make sure it is used when generating ssh or ssl key pair?
[1:44] <Rubafix> From what I understand it doesn't adds up on /dev/random
[1:45] <Drexl> how can i transfer files via ssh ?
[1:45] <Rubafix> Use scp or pscp for windows
[1:46] <Drexl> is that a different client?
[1:46] <Drexl> i have putty
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[1:47] <Rubafix> It stands for secure copy. Pscp is required to handle windows path as scp recognise ':' as a delimiter between user and host and thus make absolute path on Windows invalid
[1:48] <Rubafix> Go on the putty website you'll find pscp, drop it into system 32
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[1:49] <Rubafix> You could also setup an ftp server on your pi
[1:50] <Drexl> ok thanks
[1:51] <nid0> if you want a "friendly" way to transfer without setting up an ftp server, you could just use winscp or similar
[1:52] <nid0> there are plenty of windows scp clients like it that look and operate essentially the same as ftp clients
[1:52] <Drexl> what about filezilla?
[1:53] <nid0> filezilla doesn't do scp. if you're familiar with filezilla though, winscp will be no problem
[1:53] <nid0> as they operate essentially the same
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[2:03] <[Saint]> Rubafix: it pretty much doesn't matter mate.
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[2:03] <[Saint]> not in the sense of generating keypairs, anyway.
[2:03] <[Saint]> for some reason the raspi is absolutely _pathetic_ at generating keyparis.
[2:03] <[Saint]> ANd I have no idea why.
[2:04] <Rubafix> What do you mean?
[2:04] <[Saint]> bcm*-rng has little to no observable effect on this.
[2:04] <[Saint]> do "time ssh-keygen -t rsa -b 8192 -C "$(whoami)@$(hostname)-$(date)" for instance.
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[2:04] <[Saint]> ~10 minutes on a pi 2, ~14 minutes on a pi A/B/B2
[2:05] <[Saint]> Yes...really.
[2:05] <Rubafix> With the hwrng enabled?
[2:05] <[Saint]> Yes.
[2:05] <[Saint]> My desktop does the same in 18 seconds.
[2:05] <Rubafix> Well 8192 is a bit overkill
[2:05] <[Saint]> even 4096 takes 6~7 minutes.
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[2:06] <[Saint]> I welcome you to try this yourself.
[2:06] <[Saint]> It sounds unbelievable.
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[2:06] <[Saint]> ...I wish it wasn't true.
[2:06] <Rubafix> You have an issue then it took a few sec on mine
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[2:06] <[Saint]> I have had other people here test this as well.
[2:06] <beowu1f> whats the fastest wifi dongle i can use for my pi?
[2:06] <Rubafix> For an rsa 4096 using ssh-keygen
[2:07] <[Saint]> bah - this machine doesn't have the right logs. Dammit.
[2:07] <Rubafix> What Is the -C option for? I'll try that right away
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[2:07] <[Saint]> Ah, that? comment.
[2:08] <[Saint]> I came up with that to make keypairs with a comment string that I can easily see when/where it was made.
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[2:08] <[Saint]> keeping multiple keypairs was getting tedious on my machines.
[2:09] <Rubafix> The issue with the pi is that it lacks most common ways to stack entropy level
[2:10] <[Saint]> I wonder what the difference is between your setup, mine, and the others I have had try this with very high bitrates for ssh-keygen.
[2:10] <[Saint]> I do indeed have HW rng enabled.
[2:11] <[Saint]> But in this case it seems to make no observable effect.
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[2:12] <Rubafix> You can build entropy from any input source, like network usage, system read right... Etc. I believe the max random pool size is 4096bit gathering enough randomization for a 8192 rsa key can be a hassle for the pi I imagine, compared to a laptop or a mobile phone
[2:12] <Rubafix> Write*
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[2:15] <Rubafix> It took 5m56s right after boot to generate a 8192 bit rsa on my pi 2 B
[2:17] <Rubafix> And 4.7 second for a 4096 key, right after the 8192 one
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[2:23] <Rubafix> 4096 took 2m31s after reboot. So I guess the hwrng is doing what it should. I'll try to disable it.
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[2:33] <Hasselsaurus> Where is the pi sourcing its entropy from?
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[2:34] <Rubafix> It has an hardware rng on top of usual source like network activity and such
[2:34] <Hasselsaurus> got it. cool.
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[2:35] <Rubafix> You have to enable the hwrng tho
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[2:38] <beowu1f> any recommendations on wifi adaptors out there?
[2:38] <beowu1f> that support apconfig?
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[2:42] <beowu1f> hostapd i mean
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[3:10] <Rubafix> [Saint] : can you run cat /proc/sys/kernel/random/entropy_avail
[3:11] <[Saint]> 2629
[3:12] <[Saint]> Rubafix: ^
[3:13] <[Saint]> (and, by the way, yes, I do realize that 8192b keys are silly, this was just an odd edge case I found that seemed to take _far_ too much time to complete)
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