#raspberrypi IRC Log


IRC Log for 2015-12-09

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[17:00] <riskable> I'm setting up a Raspberry Pi for someone as a secret Santa gift... Any ideas for what I should pre-load on it to make it "that much cooler"? :)
[17:01] <riskable> I've already got Raspbian installed and everything's upgraded. It has the proper locale/timezone/keyboard layout for the person in question
[17:01] <Sculptor> riskable, game console emulators
[17:01] <riskable> Sculptor: I thought about that... Not sure if this person will have it hooked up to a display though
[17:02] <Sculptor> why
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[17:02] <riskable> I was going to put together a little prototyping board with an OLED display to show status on this guy's favorite news/topics
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[17:03] <djazz> Install Kodi and the youtube addon :)
[17:03] <riskable> This person is really into data visualization so I was going to program it to blink some lights whenever a certain event occurs, hehe
[17:04] <riskable> It's an A+ board so Kodi might not run too well
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[17:04] <riskable> Does anyone know if Kodi runs OK on an A+?
[17:04] <djazz> It does
[17:05] <djazz> Menus lag a bit when playing video tho
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[17:06] <djazz> Is it overclocked?
[17:06] <riskable> No
[17:06] <riskable> I can overclock it if you think it's worth it :)
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[17:07] <Sculptor> riskable, hook up a 1 meter (60 LEDs) of WS2812B RGB LED strip to it
[17:07] <djazz> I usually OC mine to 900 MHz atleast
[17:07] <djazz> Lol
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[17:07] <riskable> Sculptor: Way ahead of you! I already have some WS2812b strip ready-to-go for this little board. It'll have an OLED in the middle with WS2812b strip on the outside
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[17:07] <Sculptor> great
[17:07] <djazz> :)
[17:08] <djazz> I did run OpenELEC on my A+ some days ago. Very much usable :)
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[17:09] <riskable> OK I just overclocked it to 800 MHz
[17:09] <djazz> Installing Kodi in raspbian is easy tho
[17:09] <riskable> Seems reasonably conservative
[17:09] <riskable> I was going to install some web stuff too... Like maybe ntop so he can keep track of his internal network with it
[17:10] <djazz> And htop is always nice
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[17:10] <riskable> htop is just a command line tool, LOL
[17:11] <djazz> ntop reminded me of it
[17:11] <riskable> Is there a better wifi config utility? The one in the menubar seems useless (I never use it on my own RPis)
[17:11] <Tenkawa> ooh.. is there a netflix plugin for kodi?
[17:11] <djazz> I really like my raspbian setup on my 2B, slick with the official touchscreen
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[17:11] * Tenkawa is looking for a box to do both netflix and hulu
[17:12] <djazz> riskable: I use wicd atm
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[17:12] <djazz> I had to change to dhclient instead of dhcpcd to get an ip tho
[17:12] <Sculptor> i have an idea fora project with raspi zero
[17:12] <djazz> It has a good applet/gui and ncurses ui
[17:12] <Sculptor> to embed it into a dead commodore 64 case
[17:12] <Sculptor> and use it as a c64 emulator
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[17:13] <djazz> Sculptor: hook up keyboard how? And controllers? :)
[17:13] <Sculptor> keyboard, joystics
[17:13] <Sculptor> everything
[17:14] <djazz> Bonus points for turning tapes into ROMs
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[17:15] <djazz> riskable: i tried NetworkManager too, but could only get it to work in gui
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[17:16] <djazz> It requires policy kit which I was too lazy to set up
[17:16] <djazz> wpa_gui is the old default one
[17:16] <djazz> Now its a gui for dhcpcd in raspbian
[17:17] <djazz> Didnt work for me
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[17:19] <Sculptor> djazz, haha http://www.commodorepi.co.nr/
[17:20] <djazz> Or RetroPie
[17:21] <Sculptor> pity it's on hold
[17:21] <Sculptor> checking
[17:21] <djazz> http://www.lakka.tv/
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[17:24] <Sculptor> tx
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[17:37] <riskable> Does anyone know the name of that web framework/thing that would let you install and run multiple web applications in one container-like system?
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[17:38] <methuzla> there are many
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[17:39] <riskable> I remember playing around with one last year but I can't remember what it was called... It had some sort of wiki as the default web app
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[17:49] <riskable> Aha! It was sandstorm https://sandstorm.io/
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[17:57] <Arte_Vandelay> hey I have a question.. how do I connect a button properly to my breadboard? there are guides that conflict with eachother. Some use the 3.3v side, others use the 5v side.. some use both sides... what should I do?
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[17:58] <daveake> Neither
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[17:58] <daveake> Connect between ground and a GPIO pin. Enable pull-up on that pin.
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[17:59] <daveake> 3V3 would also work with a pull-down
[17:59] <daveake> 5V may damage the Pi
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[17:59] <daveake> ("may" might be a "will" - not tried it :-) )
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[17:59] <Arte_Vandelay> Oh okay, so just to clarify because this is my first time doing any ccircuitry, I should use the GND pin and a # pin on one side?
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[18:00] <mgottschlag> Arte_Vandelay: yes
[18:00] <daveake> http://razzpisampler.oreilly.com/ch07.html
[18:02] <mgottschlag> I quite like https://wiki.openwrt.org/_media/media/gpios-high_low.png?cache=&w=800&h=500&tok=ea042d for the different ways to install buttons/leds... just use 3.3V as VCC (because that's the pi's I/O voltage, and use the built-in pullup instead of a pullup resistor (3rd picture) whenever possible
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[18:14] <Arte_Vandelay> Thank you. It'll take some reading to do for me. Would this tutorial work, you think? http://www.modmypi.com/blog/tutorial-tactile-switch
[18:14] <mgottschlag> yes
[18:14] <mgottschlag> even though the circuit is more complex than it would need to be
[18:14] <mgottschlag> bonus points if you understand what the two resistors do :)
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[18:15] <mgottschlag> and why R2 is unnecesary
[18:15] <daveake> I'd go with http://razzpisampler.oreilly.com/ch07.html - it's all there
[18:15] <mgottschlag> hm, or wait
[18:15] <mgottschlag> I guess R2 isn't actually unnecessary for beginners :)
[18:15] <mgottschlag> only as long as you don't accidentally switch the GPIO to be an output
[18:16] <daveake> quite
[18:16] <Arte_Vandelay> I'll look at the vid on that page after some errands. Thanks guys, I appreciate it.
[18:16] <mgottschlag> I definately like the modmypi article better, for the better description of the electrical background :)
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[18:17] <Arte_Vandelay> I'm just gonna bring in the pi to my programming class tomorrow and would like to just show off something cool to do with it and how the softweare we write can interact with a physical component
[18:19] <Apocx> Arte_Vandelay: Are you in the import/export business? :P
[18:20] <Arte_Vandelay> Architecture
[18:20] <Apocx> You change jobs so often it's hard to keep straight
[18:21] <Arte_Vandelay> Yes it's quite confusing after I made my first million :P
[18:21] <Apocx> no doubt
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[19:36] <magecca> Hello Duality
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[19:40] <Moonsilence> Hi all
[19:40] <CoJaBo> gah
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[19:44] <Arte_Vandelay> hi
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[19:46] <Flamekebab> I've never used a serial connection as a terminal before. Is it possible to transfer files over it?
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[19:46] <pksato> Flamekebab: yes.
[19:46] <CoJaBo> Zmodem?
[19:46] <pksato> Yes
[19:46] <pksato> Zthings.
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[19:46] <CoJaBo> I've done that once or twice lol
[19:47] <Flamekebab> Excellent. Thanks!
[19:47] <pksato> but, terminal client need to support.
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[19:47] <Flamekebab> Right-o!
[19:47] <Flamekebab> Cheers
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[19:48] <netbilly> Hello. I am stuck trying to boot anything on my brand new Raspberry Pi 2 B+. It shows the slpash screen, then nothing. I tried NOOBS, OSMC, OpenELEC.
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[19:49] <CoJaBo> Tried a different sdcard or power supply/cable
[19:49] <CoJaBo> ?
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[19:49] <netbilly> two different power supplies, three different SD cards
[19:50] <netbilly> I bought three of them. All three are doing the same thing
[19:50] <netbilly> Google says to add "boot_delay=1" in /boot/config.txt. but that doesn't work either
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[19:51] <JK-47> how did you image the card?
[19:51] <netbilly> dd
[19:51] <JK-47> and whats your display?
[19:51] <netbilly> I own 8 different models of raspberry pi
[19:51] <netbilly> just the new ones don't want to work
[19:51] <netbilly> New Samsung HDMI
[19:52] <netbilly> I haven't tried a different HDMI port. Would that make any difference ?
[19:52] <JK-47> well there are hdmi tunings
[19:52] <pksato> updated OS images?
[19:53] <pksato> fresh download?
[19:53] <JK-47> try hdmi_safe=1 and use raspbian. see what happens
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[19:54] <netbilly> yes
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[19:58] <netbilly> That just makes the spash screen bigger
[19:58] <netbilly> splash screen even
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[19:59] <pksato> splash screen?
[19:59] <netbilly> the rainbow startup screen
[20:00] <netbilly> eh. I am going to try a different TV
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[20:00] <pksato> https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=28&t=99046
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[20:02] <pksato> not solve...
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[20:02] <furkan> i'm looking at the specs for the raspberry pi zero - does this thing have the same VC4 GPU as the rest of the rpis or no?
[20:02] <ali1234> it does
[20:03] <furkan> so basically it's a model b, but miniaturized?
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[20:03] <ali1234> no, that would be a model A+
[20:04] <furkan> oh i see, no ethernet
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[20:04] <ali1234> the zero is more like a minimal breakout board
[20:05] <ali1234> except without all the pins broken out
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[20:06] <furkan> i would have considered it, but buying an ethernet adapter would probably bring it close to just buying an rpi2 anyway
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[20:09] <yeetfimt> hello, I'm trying to build a system that can read and write NFC card/tag. I'm using a Raspberry Pi 2 Model B. Which NFC device should I use and which python module can help me? Thanks in advance :)
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[20:10] <JK-47> wouldnt that more be determined by type of nfc device?
[20:11] <yeetfimt> yes, but I want to be able to write code in python.
[20:12] <yeetfimt> I've seen some python module. MFRC522-python / pi-rc522 / rc522-python-script for 'MiFare RC522' NFC chip
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[20:12] <JK-47> you should figure out which type of device you will store data into
[20:12] <JK-47> tags, tokens, hce based (phones)
[20:13] <yeetfimt> and nfcpy for RC / -S956 / PN532 / PN533
[20:13] <yeetfimt> I'll store data into tags/NFC cards and read data from NFC card
[20:14] <yeetfimt> I'm confused which NFC device should I use?
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[20:14] <yeetfimt> RC522 or PN532 or RC-S380 ...
[20:14] <JK-47> which type tag? 1,2,3,4? nfc forum formatted?
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[20:15] <JK-47> that determines nfc a b f or p2p
[20:15] <TheSin> finally moder chromium, 47.x w00t
[20:16] <TheSin> modern
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[20:16] <yeetfimt> it is not specified, maybe 4A
[20:16] <JK-47> http://open-nfc.org/wp/home/documentation/tags-compatibility/
[20:16] <JK-47> you just guessed about that 4a didnt you?
[20:17] <yeetfimt> right
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[20:17] <yeetfimt> so what's the first thing should I know?
[20:17] <MiningInc> Hello everyone
[20:18] <JK-47> you need to know which tag and protocol youll use.
[20:18] <yeetfimt> okay.
[20:19] <MiningInc> I have FINALLY!!! managed to get my hands on my very own Raspberry Pi 2. Even got a Logitech k400 BT keybrd/trackpad combo to go with it.
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[20:19] <pksato> Start with question, NFC for what application?
[20:19] <yeetfimt> I'll be given contactless NFC cards. MiFare EV81 or EV8K
[20:19] <MiningInc> I got the CanaKit. Came with just the basics. Case, wifi dongle, etc.
[20:20] <MiningInc> I still have not even opened the box.. lol.. So excited I do not know where to start. haha
[20:20] <pksato> MiningInc: nice.
[20:20] <yeetfimt> pksato, for Canteen KIOSK and Recharge KIOSK.
[20:20] <MiningInc> pksato Thanks
[20:21] <MiningInc> I have been learning Python as well... So excited to use that in combination with the Pi to make some LED's blink and such. ;-P
[20:22] <pksato> Electronic wallet?
[20:22] <pksato> to yeetfimt
[20:22] <JK-47> please tell me you arent storing actual card values on the cards themselves.
[20:22] <yeetfimt> no, student will pay canteen bill with the NFC Card and recharge money whenever they need.
[20:22] <MiningInc> Then build a rocket/satellite for low earth orbit. lol
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[20:23] <yeetfimt> JK-47, no, I'll only contain an identification number. the money data will be in a central server.
[20:23] <JK-47> any nfc or rfid system which has stored any value data on the device itself has been horribly hacked
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[20:24] <MiningInc> JK-47 Great and Valid point.
[20:24] <furkan> umm... i'm trying to sign up for the raspberry pi forums, and it's asking "Which of these is not spherical? EarthFootballDiceOrange:"
[20:24] <furkan> i'm entering Football and it says i've provided an invalid answer?
[20:25] <JK-47> id use something like a RC-S380
[20:25] <furkan> oh crap, i just realized the next one is Dice
[20:25] <pksato> furkan: Yes. UK Football ball is spherical.
[20:25] * furkan was thinking American football
[20:25] <JK-47> sony rfc which can have a support agreement on it
[20:25] <furkan> *facepalm*
[20:25] <MiningInc> dice
[20:25] <MiningInc> lol
[20:25] <yeetfimt> JK-47, and which library would you use?
[20:26] <MiningInc> furkan Thanks. Truly hilarious...
[20:26] <furkan> any time :P
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[20:26] <JK-47> nfcpy
[20:27] <JK-47> here are devices they support. https://nfcpy.readthedocs.org/en/latest/overview.html
[20:27] <yeetfimt> is there any particular reason to use RC-S380 over PN533 or PN532? you know, I just want to know :)
[20:27] <JK-47> This is for an official purpose. Id want something that can have a support contract
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[20:28] <JK-47> unless you are buying lots of spares
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[20:29] <JK-47> p.s. no support yet for 4a in nfcpy
[20:29] <JK-47> hardware supports it, software doesnt
[20:29] <yeetfimt> Can sony's RC-S380 read from nfc tags and write data to nfc tags?
[20:29] <JK-47> for tag emulation (phones)
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[20:29] <JK-47> there is normal 4a r/w
[20:30] <yeetfimt> what tag emulation means?
[20:30] <JK-47> cellphone bumping
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[20:31] <MiningInc> yeefimt Is your intent to build a charging kiosk in which the kiosk has automated NFC payments etc for using/charging.
[20:31] <mgottschlag> furkan: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/ca/D06_sphere.jpg
[20:31] <mgottschlag> (https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d3/D06_sphere_cut_open.jpg)
[20:31] <JK-47> actually in nfcpy case, that means that the device running nfcpy acts as the tag
[20:31] <JK-47> in this case it doesnt matter
[20:32] <furkan> lol mgottschlag
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[20:35] <yeetfimt> mikechouto, recharge kiosk needs a second party to validate the money, then user swaps his/her nfc card and the other person recharges money. but there is no money data on nfc card. the money data will go to a central server.
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[20:37] <yeetfimt> JK-47, if the device acts as an NFC tag, then can other NFC readers read data from that device?
[20:37] <JK-47> yes
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[20:38] <yeetfimt> so the sony RC-S380 device can read data from the nfc tag, write data to nfc tag and also act as an nfc tag and others device can read data from it?
[20:38] <JK-47> yes
[20:41] <yeetfimt> is that statement is also true for the other devices 'nfcpy' supports?
[20:41] <JK-47> look at the list on the site i linked
[20:41] <JK-47> they tell you exactly what each model supports
[20:41] <JK-47> you arent the one coding this are you?
[20:41] <yeetfimt> and would you tell me what problems I'll face if I use Adafruit's PN532v1.6 Board?
[20:41] <JK-47> youer just like, a manager or something?
[20:42] <yeetfimt> JK-47, no, I'm the coder. But I have no earlier experience with nfc that's why it is confusing to me.
[20:42] <JK-47> Read the docs. itll tell you all you need to know
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[20:43] <yeetfimt> thank you very much for sharing all the informations :)
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[21:03] <dmisnw1> evening
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[21:31] <Arte_Vandelay> i wish the rgb displays didnt cost so much :(
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[21:32] <Viper168> lcd screen is a bit of a killer when you want a cheap project
[21:33] <Arte_Vandelay> oh not lcd, I think thinking of one of these: https://www.adafruit.com/products/2026
[21:33] <Viper168> I could get something cheap but would have no idea how to drive it with a zero
[21:34] <Viper168> ah those
[21:34] <Viper168> eesh
[21:34] <Viper168> make your own maybe
[21:34] <furkan> seems awfully expensive for an LED matrix
[21:35] <Viper168> I think there might be an adafruit tax on some things
[21:35] <Viper168> making them more expensive than they should be just because of who they are
[21:35] <Viper168> :P
[21:36] <Viper168> that said they got me my zero early
[21:36] <mgottschlag> Viper168: do you want a full X server, or is it just for some embedded project where you have full control over how stuff is displayed?
[21:36] <Viper168> instead of having to wait a month or more
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[21:37] <Viper168> can't really get the rest of the stuff I need this year
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[21:37] <Viper168> mgottschlag, full x server
[21:37] <Viper168> running a desktop and games
[21:37] <mgottschlag> okay, than all those ultra-cheap SPI modules won't work
[21:37] <Arte_Vandelay> mgottschlag, I got the button working btw :)
[21:38] <mgottschlag> good :D
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[21:39] <Omilun> hello ... i bought a raspberrypi 2 and an android charger ... how can i turn on it?
[21:39] <Omilun> :D
[21:39] <Viper168> are there no other realistic options for the zero than buying lcds like adafruit makes?
[21:40] <mgottschlag> Omilun: have you prepared an SD card?
[21:40] <Viper168> how many volts is the android charger
[21:40] <Arte_Vandelay> Omilun, make sure it's 5V
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[21:40] <giddles> also no manual? :D
[21:40] <Omilun> amm i install an arm-ferdora iso file on that
[21:40] <giddles> ^^
[21:41] <Arte_Vandelay> "and at least 700mA of current" according to the manual
[21:41] <giddles> stick the shit in ;)
[21:41] <Omilun> on a flash memori
[21:41] <giddles> no drama
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[21:41] <giddles> insert sdcard, insert miro usb cable
[21:41] <giddles> evoila, its done ;)
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[21:41] <giddles> may you insert an hdmi cable and lan
[21:42] <giddles> check if you router dont block the mac and here you go
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[21:42] <Omilun> giddles: are you speaking with me?
[21:43] <giddles> i dont knew
[21:43] <giddles> [21:38:58] <Omilun> hello ... i bought a raspberrypi 2 and an android charger ... how can i turn on it? --> plug all in and start
[21:43] <Arte_Vandelay> omilun I have the vilros manual next to me here if you would like specifics
[21:45] <Omilun> giddles: if you answer me on irc chat room ... you should type me name in first of your answer's sentence
[21:46] <mgottschlag> Omilun: nope, what he did was perfectly acceptable IRC behaviour :)
[21:46] <Omilun> Arte_Vandelay: yes i'd like to know
[21:46] <Omilun> mgottschlag: :D
[21:46] <mgottschlag> also, you usually get better help if you describe the actual problem you have, or what you have tried and what doesn't work :)
[21:47] <Arte_Vandelay> alrighty. First thing's first. Insert the SD card with the pins facing up (while looking down at the board) while the power cable is disconnected
[21:47] <ali1234> how do i upload and run a bare metal kernel.img with the usbboot tool?
[21:48] <Omilun> Arte_Vandelay: ok i'm gonna dd my iso file on a sd card
[21:48] <mgottschlag> (if your SD card does not have "pins", you can let the metal contacts face up instead :p)
[21:48] <Arte_Vandelay> connect everything else in any order but leave the power cable for the end because the raspi automatically starts with power
[21:48] <Omilun> Arte_Vandelay: flash memory dosent work?
[21:48] <mgottschlag> only sd cards work
[21:49] <Omilun> Arte_Vandelay: yes i have a keyboard and a monitor with a HDMI wire
[21:49] <Omilun> mgottschlag: thx
[21:49] <Arte_Vandelay> Sounds good :)
[21:51] <Arte_Vandelay> Oh and Omilun, check out: https://www.raspberrypi.org/downloads/
[21:51] <mgottschlag> btw, sd cards are flash memory as well :)
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[21:52] <Arte_Vandelay> there's where you decide what OS gets installed. The NOOBs packages everything there all in one installer with a menu.
[21:52] <Omilun> Arte_Vandelay: i have all of that ... but i'd like to learn redhat base distribution same as fedora
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[21:53] <Omilun> ok dd comand complited
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[21:53] <Arte_Vandelay> Omilun, I'm not familiar with redhat or fedora but I'm sure someone else here is :)
[21:54] <Omilun> Arte_Vandelay: it dose not word
[21:54] <mgottschlag> what happens when you switch the pi on?
[21:55] <Omilun> Arte_Vandelay: i use debian on my server and archlinux on my laptop and ubuntu on my pc and i am going to install fedora on the board :D
[21:56] <Omilun> i have a fedora minimal ... i think i need to install raspbian
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[21:57] <Omilun> Arte_Vandelay: yes?
[21:57] <Arte_Vandelay> Omilun, after a quick google search, are you specifically using Raspberry-PI Fedora Remix? If you try the basic version I don't think it'll run because the Raspberry Pi has an ARM CPU
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[21:57] <JakeSays> anyone know if android runs on the pi 2?
[21:58] <Omilun> Arte_Vandelay: yes i know and fedora have arm version
[21:58] <ppq> first google hit: Android Lollipop 5.1 on Raspberry Pi 2 Installation Tutorial - YouTube
[21:58] <ppq> so it probably does
[21:58] <Arte_Vandelay> Omilun, just making sure :) So what was the error (if any)?
[21:59] <JK-47> wow arduino raising the stakes… atmel vs broadcom battle royale. https://www.arduino.cc/en/Main/ArduinoMKR1000
[22:00] <JakeSays> ppq: thanks
[22:00] <mgottschlag> JK-47: huh? that's not at all comparable to any pi :)
[22:00] <Omilun> Arte_Vandelay: i think i am a noob on raspberry pi and i should install raspbian on that ... this is ok?
[22:00] <Arte_Vandelay> Omilun, I mean I'm new to this myself but pretty good at diagnosing issues and stuff. I just got my RaspberryPi 2 a few days ago
[22:00] <JK-47> purpose built devices… like the zero
[22:01] <mgottschlag> the zero is in a completely different performance category :)
[22:01] <Arte_Vandelay> But yeah raspbian is fine. It runs on debian.
[22:01] <JK-47> mgottschlag: run a cnc or 3d printer off a zero ;)
[22:02] <Omilun> Arte_Vandelay: yes i absolutely adore debian
[22:02] <Arte_Vandelay> Then you'll feel right at home with that at least to get familiar with the Pi and then can try to get your redhat working
[22:02] <mgottschlag> JK-47: sure, the pi doesn't have any realtime software by default, but then it can do so much more than that microcontroller
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[22:03] <JK-47> im thinking, 80% of the zeros which dont end up in a drawer and forgotten about, could have the same functionality done by the mkr1000
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[22:04] <mgottschlag> and 80% of the tasks which could be done with an mkr1000 could also be done with a 3$ ESP8266 :)
[22:04] <Arte_Vandelay> Guys I don't know if you know of this but controlling the Pi via VNC and being headless is pretty good specially if you don't like to switch inputs on a monitor and stuff.
[22:05] <Arte_Vandelay> I actually just have the power and the gpio stuff connected right now, haha. It's kinda weird.
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[22:07] <Arte_Vandelay> As far as cables go anyways.
[22:07] <Omilun> Arte_Vandelay: 2015-11-21-raspbian-jessie-lite.img ... is this ok?
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[22:09] <Arte_Vandelay> Omilun, that's a less-featured version of Raspbian by default but yeah.
[22:11] <Omilun> Arte_Vandelay: i only need to ssh on that
[22:12] <Arte_Vandelay> Yeah that should be fine then
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[22:13] <Ub3r> Pi Through VPN? ... people do that?
[22:15] <Ub3r> Seems kinda pointless imo
[22:15] <Ub3r> Either SSH, or just connect it to a dedicated monitor
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[22:17] <Arte_Vandelay> Yeah I mean it's just nice to keep everything in one place for me. I vnc to a bunch of stuff so it's just another in the list instead of having to use another monitor
[22:17] <Arte_Vandelay> With the benefit of a GUI
[22:17] <mgottschlag> "benefit". :p
[22:17] <Arte_Vandelay> hehe
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[22:19] <Ub3r> So instead of using a low resource ssh, with a simple ssh client.. It's more beneficial to use a Higher resource VNC with a network heavy VNC client
[22:19] <Ub3r> Not seeing the benefit there
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[22:20] <mgottschlag> well, it's the classical trade-off between productivity and initial learning effort
[22:20] <Ub3r> But then again I absolutely no need for a GUI on a RasPi
[22:20] <Ub3r> Some apparently do
[22:23] <Arte_Vandelay> Yeah maybe some day. But for now I like having it.
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[22:29] <Omilun> Arte_Vandelay: aamm hey man it dose not work :( nothing display and nothing connected on router
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[22:31] <Omilun> but it have to led light ...
[22:31] <Omilun> *two
[22:31] <mgottschlag> your SD card has two partitions? What files does the FAT partition contain?
[22:32] <Omilun> mgottschlag: ammm what !!
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[22:33] <mgottschlag> well, first you'd need to check whether the image has been installed correctly, and whether kernel/bootloader are installed on the SD card
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[22:33] <mgottschlag> in that case, you should at least see some rainbow pattern on the screen, so you need to check that first if you don't
[22:34] <Omilun> mgottschlag: lol it dousnt have swap :D ok i got it thx
[22:34] <mgottschlag> hm? you don't need swap
[22:35] <mgottschlag> actually, you probably shouldn't have any, because it would wear down the SD card pretty quickly
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[22:56] <ali1234> it works :O
[22:56] <ali1234> i successfully uploaded blinker01.bin over usb
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[22:58] <Arte_Vandelay> grats
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[23:00] <Ub3r> Over USB?
[23:00] <ali1234> yeah
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[23:09] <JakeSays> so i'm starting to think the 'official' wifi adapter is crap
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[23:10] <ali1234> it's not great in my tests
[23:10] <JakeSays> i can't get any sort of reliability out of it
[23:11] <JakeSays> when pinging i'll get a couple of responses then several timeouts, then a handful of responses, rinse, repeat
[23:11] <ali1234> sounds about right
[23:12] <JakeSays> ali1234: suggestions on a rock solid one?
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[23:12] <ali1234> not really no... all wifi is pretty rubbish
[23:13] <ali1234> i'm normally using a realtek one, it seems okay
[23:13] <JakeSays> damn.
[23:13] <ali1234> for wifi...
[23:13] <JakeSays> i'm thinking of getting a cheap access point to use for wifi
[23:14] <djazz> JakeSays: i got it too and solved that
[23:14] <JakeSays> djazz: OH??
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[23:14] <djazz> It got agressive power management. Just disable that and its smooooth
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[23:14] <djazz> i did that yesterday and now i can ssh to it without issues
[23:15] <JakeSays> djazz: any docs/notes on how to do that? :))
[23:15] <djazz> Wait..
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[23:16] <djazz> In your /etc/network/interfaces file, add (or edit to): auto wlan0
[23:16] <djazz> allow-hotplug wlan0
[23:16] <djazz> wireless-power off
[23:17] <djazz> The last disables power saving
[23:18] <djazz> JakeSays: try this first tho: sudo iwconfig wlan0 power off
[23:18] <JakeSays> how does that fit with the supplicant stuff? i'm totally confused at the relationship between the two
[23:18] <djazz> Put it before
[23:18] <JakeSays> ok cool. will do soon as i get home :)
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[23:18] <JakeSays> ah ok
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[23:34] <Viper168> lul @ adafruit selling a usb keyboard for $50 I've seen for under $20
[23:35] <Viper168> nice little $30+ dollar profit there
[23:35] <Myrtti> newsflash, they sell stuff for profit!
[23:35] <Myrtti> even stuff they've not manufactured themselves!
[23:35] <Viper168> yeah but there's a point where it's just ridiculous and holding people back
[23:35] <Viper168> you can make profit and be reasonable
[23:35] <Viper168> they are good on some things
[23:36] <Viper168> others are pretty absurdly priced
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[23:36] <Viper168> at least for anyone who knows how to shop around
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[23:38] <Viper168> I'm of the school of thought that believes that technology shouldn't be artificially overpriced like that, it stunts progress by greatly reducing accessibility
[23:38] <Viper168> ultimately it is counter productive to business
[23:39] <Arte_Vandelay> yeah same
[23:39] <Viper168> at the very least consider how many more they could sell if they were priced better
[23:39] <Viper168> it would more than balance out I can pretty safely bet
[23:39] <Arte_Vandelay> that's why I was disappointed earlier and still am that the stupid led matrix i want is $40-50. I'll have to see about making one
[23:39] <Viper168> and end up creating more demand for your products
[23:40] <Viper168> as well as advancing the field in general
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[23:41] <Viper168> sure make your money, you deserve it if you start a business, but being reasonable in pricing has pretty sweeping effects for your own benefit and others
[23:41] <Viper168> especially in a field that is just developing with so much user involvement
[23:42] <Viper168> you cut out that many people because your greed has blinded you (to the point of costing you money), then that many people also won't be experimenting and putting information out
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[23:45] <Viper168> it's the very reason the pi has become such a success, it's a decent product that is actually affordable instead of outrageously overpriced for no good reason
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[23:46] <Viper168> I highly doubt it would have the support and community it does if it were needlessly marked up
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[23:47] <Viper168> nor bring as much profit because of it
[23:47] <Viper168> profits for everyone involved, every vendor benefits from the principle
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[23:49] <Viper168> so yeah, a $30 markup on such an item is inappropriate for this field imo
[23:49] <Viper168> short sighted
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[23:59] <fluffet> hello, how many of you run jessie on their pi?
[23:59] <fluffet> your'
[23:59] <djazz> I do

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