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IRC Log for 2015-12-14

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[0:01] <__builtin> thanks mlelstv
[0:02] * __builtin guesses he needs vnc
[0:02] <mlelstv> what for?
[0:03] <__builtin> to make this easier ;)
[0:04] <mlelstv> well, it's not the same :)
[0:04] <__builtin> and to interact with the remote system
[0:05] <mlelstv> modern Xorg has VNC builtin
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[0:11] * Xark wishes it had RDP builtin. :)
[0:13] <mothership> raspi config's login without password prompt didnt work, how to do it set it manually?
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[0:16] <mlelstv> xark, there is xrdp, not builtin but almost :)
[0:16] <__builtin> is there any chance for someone to get their hands on a Pi0 before the year is out?
[0:17] <Xark> mlelstv: I'll have to try it. I find RDP superior to VNC (especially on slower links).
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[0:17] <Xark> __builtin: Yes, I got one.
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[0:18] <__builtin> all the places I've looked say they're sold out
[0:19] <Xark> __builtin: Well, I think you missed the first batch. IIRC, they said something like they can make 10K a week.
[0:19] * mlelstv already has more rpi_s than time
[0:19] <Xark> __builtin: Hit the "Notify Me" links on Adafruit and you will get a mail when you can (try) to order.
[0:20] <Xark> __builtin: And if you are not embedding it, do yourself a favor and get a RPi2. :)
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[0:23] <__builtin> how does it compare to the model B?
[0:24] <mlelstv> it's a B+ with a quadcore CPU
[0:24] <mlelstv> and 1GB RAM
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[0:24] <__builtin> the zero vs the B, I mean
[0:25] <Xark> __builtin: The zero is a tad faster than B, but RPi2 is in a different league.
[0:26] <methuzla> zero and B have same SOC, but zero is clocked faster
[0:26] <mlelstv> zero is a faster A+ with 512MB but less connectors.
[0:26] * __builtin currently uses a B as a server
[0:26] <mlelstv> so compared to a B, it's missing Ethernet
[0:26] <__builtin> maybe I'll replace it with a Pi2
[0:26] <Xark> __builtin: I think it would make a far better server.
[0:27] <Karlton> depends on what kind of server
[0:27] <mlelstv> except that no rpi makes a good server :)
[0:27] <MrZhi> just got a pi 2, highly impressed over my old model B
[0:27] <Xark> Karlton: Well, far better than RPi B or B+ (or 0). :)
[0:27] * Xark just compiled ZNC for his Raspberry Pi2 (30 minutes to build). :)
[0:28] <MrZhi> My pi2 reminds me of the Intel Atom netbooks
[0:28] * djazz is using an intel atom netbook atm
[0:28] <djazz> Still faster cpu than rpi2
[0:29] <Karlton> for a static http server even the first raspberrypi is overkill
[0:29] <djazz> This is the original aspire one btw
[0:29] <ali1234> i've got one of those
[0:29] <ali1234> im not sure it really is that much faster
[0:29] <__builtin> hmm so could I just pop the B's SD card into the Pi2 and have it work?
[0:29] <MrZhi> That's the exact one I was referencing :P
[0:29] <__builtin> or is it a different instruction set?
[0:29] <djazz> I just reinstalled it, feels much quicker
[0:30] <djazz> Manjaro XFCE
[0:30] <ali1234> __builtin: it will work, but not the other way
[0:30] <MrZhi> I think you *might* be able to pull it off, but you're damn sure going to have some weird shit creep up
[0:30] <Karlton> they are a bit different
[0:30] <__builtin> so the CortexA7 is compatible with ARM11?
[0:30] <ali1234> __builtin: but it won't work if the B's SD card is too old software version
[0:30] <__builtin> backwards-compatible
[0:30] <Xark> __builtin: I think it needs an update to boot on RPi2 (just ckernel).
[0:31] <MrZhi> __builtin, I believe both are ARM architecture so the instruction sets should be semi-universial in that sense, but there's bound to be gotchas
[0:31] <Xark> __builtin: However, RPi2 can run precompiled Linux "ARM binaries" (since ARMv7) which is nice.
[0:32] <Xark> MrZhi: No, RPi2 supports Thumb2 and NEON (not older RPis).
[0:32] <MrZhi> Ahhhh, thanks for the correction Xark
[0:32] <Xark> MrZhi: But RPI2 can run older binaries.
[0:32] <Xark> MrZhi: NP. :)
[0:33] <Karlton> you can use precompiled armv6 binaries just not supported by debian
[0:33] <Xark> Karlton: Those tend to not exist. :)
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[0:33] <Xark> Karlton: E.g., I can run Perforce on RPI2 (using precompiled Linux ARM binary).
[0:34] <MrZhi> Windows 10 if you're feeling mascochistic
[0:35] <__builtin> meh - too many ARM variants
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[0:36] <Karlton> still less extensions than x86 has
[0:36] <MrZhi> Here in Austin, there's a few tiny design shops where Apple, Samsung, Broadcom, etc all work on new ARM designs.... then sue each other over it.
[0:38] <Xark> __builtin: It is as if the RPi is using 286. :)
[0:38] <Xark> (other than RPi2)
[0:38] <mlelstv> but does it run DOS ?
[0:39] <Karlton> not natively
[0:40] <Xark> mlelstv: "As if" in the ARM world (not x86 world). :)
[0:41] * Xark thought he would try building ZNC with "make -j 5" however that is looking like a big mistake (probably not enough memory). :)
[0:41] <MrZhi> ....I need to hand in my linux nerd card. Systemd just became forced new concept to me....
[0:41] <MrZhi> make -j 3?
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[0:42] <Xark> MrZhi: Maybe, I am just goofing around as a test (already built and installed).
[0:42] <MrZhi> It worked for me with a kismet compile
[0:43] <MrZhi> -j 5 just seemed to always bork up
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[0:44] <Karlton> you only need -j4 anyway
[0:44] <Xark> MrZhi: I forgot I had X and Epiphany running too. :)
[0:44] <MrZhi> That'll do it
[0:44] <Xark> Karlton: On "real" linux boxes, one more than cores is generally good practice (to fill any "stalls").
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[0:45] <Karlton> the speed difference you get by adding 1+ all cores is hardly noticeable if not sometimes slower
[0:45] <Xark> Karlton: I disagree (at least on machines with plenty of memory).
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[1:00] <Xark> Okay, without bloaty browser, -j4 took 11:39c (vs 30:45 without -j). Seemed to used ~450MB (so memory left), but almost 0 idle time remaining (so -j5 unlikely to help here).
[1:01] <malac0da> Is there an easyway to tell if my Raspberry pi is fried? I have tried 2 different sd cards and a usb stick and I dont even get the raspberry logo on it
[1:01] <Xark> malac0da: No rainbow screen?
[1:01] <malac0da> All I get is the red power light and thats it
[1:01] <malac0da> nope
[1:01] <JakeSays> i usually do -j8
[1:02] <Xark> JakeSays: Probably a minor slowdown...(or worse if run out of memory).
[1:02] <JakeSays> it worked fine. built mono with it.
[1:02] * Xark is trying -j5 to see if slightly better or worse than -j4
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[1:02] <Xark> JakeSays: Okay, but that doesn't mean it was a "good idea".
[1:03] <Xark> JakeSays: Try it vs "-j4" perhaps?
[1:03] <JakeSays> doesnt mean it was a bad one either
[1:03] <JakeSays> its just been my experience over many years that 2x per core is a good average.
[1:04] <Xark> JakeSays: Interesting. Have you actually verified this is faster?
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[1:04] <JakeSays> not on a pi
[1:04] <methuzla> malac0da in general no easy way, as it could be many things http://elinux.org/R-Pi_Troubleshooting
[1:05] <Karlton> that only even makes sense if you compiling each source file at supper high speeds and you are limited by IO time
[1:05] <malac0da> theres no act light flashing or anything so it obviously isnt booting or doing anything I assume
[1:05] <Karlton> or using a build system that uses a lot of scripts that don't utilize all the cpu
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[1:05] <JakeSays> with modern processors io is almost always the bottle neck
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[1:07] <Xark> JakeSays: Not always true with lots of memory and/or SSDs.
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[1:08] <Karlton> yeah those people that compile inside a ramdisk
[1:08] <JakeSays> ah but memory is never an issue (with the exception of linking)
[1:08] <Xark> Karlton: Filesystem cache is a good modern substitute for RAM disk. :)
[1:09] <Xark> JakeSays: Yeah, linking takes a lot of memory and is in general single threaded.
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[1:10] <JakeSays> yuup
[1:10] <JakeSays> -u
[1:10] * Xark at work common to get 2 minute distributed build (on *huge* C++ app, with lots of builder machines) and then ~6 minute link (which happens locally). :)
[1:11] <malac0da> Hrmmm it says there should be a bootcode.bin fixup.dat and start.elf...does that pertain to raspbian setup too?
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[1:11] <PiGuy> Hello
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[1:11] <Xark> malac0da: Yes, you need all that. If you haven't been making your SD card images with WinDiskImager or dd, that would explain "dead Pi".
[1:11] <malac0da> I just have two partitions and none of those files
[1:12] <malac0da> I am going to try making another one
[1:12] <Karlton> you need them just to boot the rpi
[1:12] <PiGuy> How can I make my Raspberry Pi 2 Model B display to HDMI and LCD when HDMI is plugged in. I want this to work at anytime, not just bootup. How can I do this?
[1:13] * Xark notes -j5 was (as predicted) a small amount faster than -j4 on RPi2 compiling ZNC (11:23 vs 11:39). :) Soaked on any "idle" cycles.
[1:13] <Xark> Soaked up*
[1:14] <__builtin> not considering other fluctuations ;)
[1:15] <Karlton> like cache
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[1:15] <Xark> __builtin: Take it with a grain of salt, but pretty fair test I think (the machine is doing nothing but top and build). This is also not the first build, so cache should be about the same for both benchmarks.
[1:17] <Karlton> top itself uses a lot
[1:17] <Xark> Karlton: Yes, but it was continuously running so "fair".
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[1:18] <Xark> Karlton: If it was a problem "d30" or similar will make it pretty negligible.
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[1:22] * Xark notes "a lot" for top appears to be about 0.7% of CPU (with default settings)
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[1:25] <Karlton> when it's standing still and not updating much
[1:26] <Karlton> that's still a real time process though
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[1:27] <Karlton> and ncurses so it is constantly updating the screen
[1:28] <Karlton> I bet scrolling with it on a 1080p will uses all of the cpu
[1:28] <Karlton> s/uses/use/
[1:29] <Xark> Karlton: Perhaps even more using ssh, but not too significant for my little test. :)
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[1:34] <MrZhi> I am losing my mind with a relatively simple task, must enhance
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[1:45] <malac0da> Hrmmm rewrote the raspbian image and it worked this time...Sweet
[1:45] <malac0da> Thanks Xark and whoever else helped. Much appreciated
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[1:45] <Xark> malac0da: Great. :)
[1:46] <malac0da> Not sure what I was using before...I believe it was Windows. Not sure why it wasnt working though. I used linux this time though with dd
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[1:47] <malac0da> Guess I am going to have two raspberry pis after christmas hahaha
[1:47] <Xark> :)
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[1:50] <[Saint]> Hmmmm. Odd.
[1:50] <kookie> I've got 6 of them
[1:50] <kookie> and one BBB
[1:50] <[Saint]> My bash history file has 3000 blank lines in it.
[1:51] <Xark> [Saint]: You have cats? :)
[1:51] <kookie> lol
[1:52] <[Saint]> I do, but, that's not the cause. It's the first 3821 lines, for...some reason.
[1:52] <[Saint]> it was there yesterday.
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[2:05] <ozzzy> put it down to Linux and don't worry
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[2:25] <r_02> Hello
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[2:28] <r_02> I would like to know how to tell my PI to use the flash drives I have plugged into it to use those as storage space if it needs it. I have an 8GB SD that raspbain is installed on and I want the PI to use, when it runs out of SD card, the flash drives as storage.
[2:30] <Xark> r_02: The easiest thing is to just run from flash entirely -> http://www.instructables.com/id/Boot-the-Raspberry-Pi-from-USB/
[2:30] <__builtin> storage as in primary storage or secondard storage?
[2:30] <__builtin> primary = "RAM", secondary = "disk"
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[2:33] <r_02> I don't understand __builtin
[2:36] <__builtin> are you trying to use the flash drive as swap space, or secondary storage?
[2:38] <r_02> swap space sounds about right.
[2:38] <r_02> I currently have the drives mounted to the desktop and i could place files in there but then that is doing it manually
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[2:40] <r_02> I am reading what Xark sent me now. Haven't gotten far into it cause I wam watching a comedian.
[2:42] <r_02> http://i.imgur.com/yY82vfv.png
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[2:44] <__builtin> r_02: it seems to me that you want to store files on them, no?
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[2:44] <r_02> Not in like, I download a bunch of files and just store them there but like i install 30 more packages via apt-get and they get stored on the flash drives
[2:46] <r_02> idk if this is right but like say a raid 0 for windows but no raid controller and on linux
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[2:52] <NobCat> Guys, if i boot from card but run from memstick can i pull the card after boot and use the slot to image another sdcard?
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[2:53] <alesan> hello
[2:53] <alesan> are there clone versions of raspberry pi made in china?
[2:53] <methuzla> probably, but there's also rip offs, like banana
[2:54] <__builtin> r_02: google: mdadm
[2:54] <Karlton> it's different hardware
[2:55] <Xark> NobCat: I believe it is possible, but often difficult to fully unmount "/boot" partition.
[2:55] <Karlton> umount /boot isn't hard at all
[2:56] <NobCat> Xark, Karlton cheers dudes :D
[2:56] <Xark> Karlton: Then maybe it is /root. but difficult to fully disentangle from booted SD in my experience.
[2:57] <Xark> NobCat: Look into "boot form HDD or boot from Flash" articles.
[2:57] <NobCat> my card reader has just crapped out on me and i have 6 sdcards i need to chuck an image on
[2:57] <NobCat> the only thing i have to had is a few rpis
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[2:58] <NobCat> hand*
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[2:59] <Karlton> well assuming / is already on a different device
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[3:00] <NobCat> fuck it
[3:00] <NobCat> its not a life and death situ
[3:01] <NobCat> ill need to buy a new reader anyways
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[3:01] <NobCat> cheers guys
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[3:01] <r_02> I read the words, bad words not allowed.
[3:01] <r_02> rules*
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[3:02] <alesan> so the raspberry pi zero, has etrhernet or not?
[3:02] <Xark> alesan: Not.
[3:02] <Karlton> it doesn't
[3:02] <alesan> if yes, does it support PoE?
[3:02] <alesan> OK so how can it connect to some network?
[3:02] <Xark> alesan: Double no. :)
[3:02] <Xark> alesan: Ethernet or WiFi USB dongle
[3:03] <Karlton> micro-usb :/
[3:03] <r_02> https://www.reddit.com/r/raspberry_pi/comments/3wndm4/its_a_tight_fit_but_they_do_work_usb_to_micro_usb/
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[3:03] <alesan> is there an "official" ethernet to microusb adapter or any is fine?
[3:03] <Xark> alesan: The adapters and dongles typically end up larger than the RPi0. :)
[3:04] <Xark> alesan: Typically you use micro-usb to hub (via adapter or OTG hub), then use normal USB.
[3:04] <alesan> well the problem is that the normal raspberry pi is too large for my application
[3:04] <alesan> I need two USB, one to go to a device, another, apparently, to go to Ethernet. And a PoE adapter at that poinyt
[3:04] <Xark> alesan: Also, only one USB port. If you only need networking (no keyboard, mouse etc.), then you don't need a hub.
[3:05] <alesan> I need to connect to a USB device
[3:05] <alesan> do you know where I can find official pictures of the raspberry pi zero?
[3:05] <alesan> so I can see which ports it has? and also the back to see if I can glue some other circuit
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[3:07] <Twist> alesan: it's the first hit when googling for 'raspberry pi zero'
[3:07] <alesan> https://www.raspberrypi.org/blog/raspberry-pi-zero/ this?
[3:07] <alesan> id does not have pictures of the PCB
[3:07] <alesan> it
[3:07] <methuzla> not 'official' but here's a good set of photos: https://www.adafruit.com/products/2885
[3:08] <alesan> I see links to how to solder "more USB" to raspberry pi zero
[3:08] <Twist> That's really a pretty detailed shot of the board. https://www.raspberrypi.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/rsz_img_4054.jpg
[3:08] <methuzla> if your space is that tight, you should plan on breaking things apart and soldering directly (i.e. bypass standard connectors)
[3:09] <alesan> methuzla, nice pictures thanks!
[3:10] <alesan> ok so I see two micro-USB, one says USB, the other "power"
[3:10] <alesan> I understand the power one is for power only :)
[3:10] <alesan> and on the back there seems to be the pads for another USB connector
[3:10] <Xark> alesan: You can't use the main one if you solder to the pads.
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[3:11] <Xark> alesan: But you can hack a hub on like http://hackaday.com/2015/11/28/first-raspberry-pi-zero-hack-piggy-back-wifi/
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[3:11] <alesan> Xark, explain?
[3:12] <Xark> alesan: Er, correct article -> http://hackaday.com/2015/12/03/4-port-usb-raspberry-pi-zero-piggy-back-hack/
[3:12] <alesan> wow I wonder how he keeps the USB impedence with that randomly twisted wire :)
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[3:13] <Xark> alesan: Probably better than crap cables that are common. :)
[3:14] <alesan> mh
[3:15] <alesan> I am a little concerned about this only one USB ports - or some pretty complicated hack
[3:15] <Xark> alesan: Well, get a small hub.
[3:15] <alesan> one USB would have been enough but with ethernet
[3:15] <alesan> ye
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[3:17] <alesan> ok thanks!
[3:18] <methuzla> don't fear complicated hacking, they are making things as cheap as possible so you can do just that
[3:19] <methuzla> and learn in the process
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[3:19] <codepython777> where do i get the male version of the JST 6-pin connector - I need to plug them into gpio pins on a pi?
[3:20] <methuzla> pi gpios are not jst
[3:21] <codepython777> methuzla: I just need to plug them into male pins
[3:21] <methuzla> codepython777 which pi?
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[3:24] <codepython777> methuzla: https://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/projects/raspberrypi/tutorials/turing-machine/pi_gpio.jpg
[3:24] <methuzla> codepython777 lots of options, describe what you are trying to do in more detail
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[3:25] <codepython777> methuzla: I'm trying to connect the output of this connector: https://www.servocity.com/assets/images/55030-Closeup-120px.jpg to the pins on the last picture. So I need a JST-6 female to single pin output wire?
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[3:27] <methuzla> so you could either cut and re-terminate that cable, or make an adapter cable
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[3:29] <codepython777> methuzla: Or if i can find a male version of that cable - then i 've to worry about adding single female endings to each wire
[3:32] <methuzla> in terms of connectors for the pi gpio, try pololu https://www.pololu.com/category/70/crimp-connector-housings
[3:33] <codepython777> methuzla: I do have those, they are painful to get right though
[3:34] <methuzla> yeah, but's that what the pi gpio header takes
[3:35] <methuzla> and for the jst connector, have you looked around on that same sight you linked the image from?
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[3:35] <codepython777> looking
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[3:38] <codepython777> methuzla: nothing helpful yet
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[3:45] <codepython777> methuzla: the name matches: https://www.adafruit.com/products/1665 - but this does not look right
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[3:47] <methuzla> where did the wire you are trying to work with come from?
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[3:48] <codepython777> methuzla: its the output of an encoder
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[3:57] <methuzla> codepython777 sorry, i don't have any good lead for the connector, would have to internet search myself
[3:59] <methuzla> codepython777 maybe this? https://www.sparkfun.com/products/10210 (but there's all kinds of flavors of JST)
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[7:21] <irc_smirk> hello
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[7:21] <irc_smirk> all the mag pi raspberry magzine issues are freely available for download here https://www.raspberrypi.org/magpi-issues/
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[7:28] <Twist> Is there a quick way to play video from the pi camera? just realtime to the framebuffer for testing.
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[7:29] <Twist> raspivid is complaining that there is no --preview option, despite listing that command in the help
[7:32] <irc_smirk> anyone know if someone stocks this or something likeit in us? http://www.sbcshop.co.uk/32-tft-lcd-with-transparent-case-bundle-8gb-card-power-supply--wifi-adaptor-black-400-p.asp
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[7:41] <Twist> irc_smirk: https://www.adafruit.com/product/1723
[7:41] <Twist> https://www.adafruit.com/products/1892
[7:41] <Twist> they're easily made if you have access to a laser cutter or 3d printer
[7:42] <irc_smirk> yeah i hate that acrylic stuff
[7:42] <Twist> it's not the only plastic in town
[7:42] <irc_smirk> my first case was from adafruit
[7:42] <irc_smirk> hate it
[7:43] <irc_smirk> sqeaks and feels like nails on chalkboard
[7:43] <Twist> can't say I've ever bought a case
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[7:44] <irc_smirk> man learning robots on pi is expensive
[7:45] <irc_smirk> starter kits are over $150
[7:45] <Twist> once you know a little bit more about what you're doing, everything can be had very cheaply from china
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[7:46] <Twist> You're paying a premium for that nice box and set of instructions.
[7:47] <irc_smirk> yeah i figure
[7:47] <irc_smirk> i was looking at mindstorms today
[7:47] <irc_smirk> $350
[7:47] <irc_smirk> now pi is $150
[7:47] <Twist> Yeah.. just don't do that.
[7:47] <irc_smirk> arduino is about $100
[7:47] <irc_smirk> the cheaper it is the more to the metal you get
[7:47] <Twist> irc_smirk: in point of fact, the Pi and arduino are both about $5 now. :D
[7:47] <irc_smirk> or more to the 'made in china' you dig
[7:48] <irc_smirk> whats a good source for reliable china components?
[7:48] <Twist> There are also direct from china 'starter kit' packs on ebay
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[7:48] <irc_smirk> what kind of keywords finds them
[7:48] <Twist> And surprisingly competitive prices on amazon, at least in the US
[7:49] <Twist> try 'arduino starter kit' on amazon. wath.
[7:49] <Twist> er
[7:49] <Twist> watch
[7:50] <Twist> And as an aside, I heavily suggest arduino over rpi if you're trying to get started with electronics.
[7:51] <irc_smirk> really why?
[7:51] <Twist> unless you have a compelling reason to do otherwise. (need linux, don't want to code in C, etc)
[7:52] <irc_smirk> well it seems with $5 pi you can have it piggy back
[7:52] <irc_smirk> id like to do something liek this eventually http://www.dexterindustries.com/GoPiGo/projects/python-examples-for-the-raspberry-pi/raspberry-pi-browser-streaming-robot/
[7:52] <Twist> irc_smirk: you'll find better documentation, find more components that operate at 5v logic level, find the arduino able to source and sink much higher currents
[7:53] <Twist> but it's a microcontroller, not a microprocessor. If you need CPU power, it's not the right device.
[7:53] <irc_smirk> yeah makes sense its a electronics board after all
[7:54] <irc_smirk> i actually bought this but havent opened it as i dont know if i will return it http://www.makeblock.cc/mbot/
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[8:02] <Twist> irc_smirk: are you aware of https://www.pololu.com/ ?
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[8:04] <irc_smirk> Twist - no. thanks for it!
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[8:05] <irc_smirk> wow it really great. if you know what you are doing you can custom create anything
[8:05] <irc_smirk> if you ahve the $$ and time of course
[8:05] <Twist> And those two are often interchangable
[8:06] <Twist> You can go a long way scavenging parts from old electronics
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[8:06] <irc_smirk> is there a way to desolder parts?
[8:06] <Twist> yes
[8:07] <Twist> solder wick, vacuum extraction, just heating the solder up and pulling parts.. depends on how they're attached
[8:07] <Twist> irc_smirk: are you in a reasonably large city?
[8:07] <irc_smirk> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N_dvf45hN6Y
[8:08] <irc_smirk> haha wow
[8:09] <irc_smirk> https://youtu.be/N_dvf45hN6Y?t=46
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[8:10] <irc_smirk> im in la
[8:11] <myself> hackerspaaaaaaace!
[8:11] <Twist> https://wiki.hackerspaces.org/Los_Angeles
[8:12] <Twist> Don't buy anything yet. Just find a nearby hackspace and attend their weekly meeting
[8:13] <irc_smirk> need to find my clone
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[8:16] <Twist> would you settle for a shabby warehouse filled with potential mentors and spare parts?
[8:16] <irc_smirk> are there china mindstorm lego clones?
[8:16] <irc_smirk> yeah but i got to come in with someting to offer
[8:17] <Twist> No, you don't.
[8:17] <Twist> A desire to learn is good enough.
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[8:17] <irc_smirk> most tech meetups here esp in la are very much 'what can you do for me'
[8:17] <Twist> hackerspaces aren't business incubators, generally
[8:17] <Twist> very much scruffy nerds having fun
[8:18] <irc_smirk> i mean im open minded. hopefully the culture is healtheri than the startup places ive been too
[8:18] <hyperair> scruffy nerds don't always want to teach
[8:18] <irc_smirk> scruffy nerd checking in
[8:18] <Twist> We'll usually give pointers to information
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[8:18] <hyperair> oh yeah that works
[8:18] <irc_smirk> ths is promosing
[8:18] <irc_smirk> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T4kX5l8UbJ4
[8:18] <irc_smirk> did this guy make that wire custom?
[8:18] <Twist> That dries up real fast if people won't put in the work themselves
[8:19] <hyperair> irc_smirk: it's quite easy to make
[8:19] <irc_smirk> i got a lot to learn
[8:19] <irc_smirk> this will be fun
[8:19] <Twist> But I'll absolutely sit down for half an hour with anyone that walks into my space and teach them how to blink some lights and spin some motors.
[8:20] <Twist> Then give them a link dump
[8:20] <irc_smirk> id love ot see something like that for kids
[8:20] <irc_smirk> id volunteer at it
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[8:20] <irc_smirk> shit may as well start one up. but i just need the space
[8:20] <Twist> irc_smirk: it already exists. this is what hackspaces kind of do.
[8:20] <irc_smirk> probably could get all these kit makers to sponsor
[8:21] <irc_smirk> yeah but im thinking for like young toddler/pre k and their parents
[8:21] <Twist> Every one is a little different, of course. Each a reflection of the active members.
[8:21] <irc_smirk> the stuff ive seen so far is classes they hold
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[8:22] <Twist> Yeah.. we don't really encourage kids at the space. We go to them. Teaching soldering at makerfaires, doing art/electronics classes at museums ant the like,
[8:22] <irc_smirk> ah ok
[8:23] <Twist> It's not that kids are unwelcome.. it's just an active shop and could be dangerous.
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[8:23] <irc_smirk> hey kids this is a soldering iron
[8:23] <Twist> They're all different. Looks like you have 5+ in proximity.
[8:23] <irc_smirk> and lead. yummy!
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[8:23] <hyperair> irc_smirk: smells good
[8:24] <Twist> Yep. But hey, we teach kids as young as 5 to solder.
[8:24] * hyperair didn't learn to solder at 5
[8:24] <irc_smirk> why is this china stuff so cheap
[8:24] <hyperair> but i did get to watch my dad take apart random stuff as a kid
[8:24] <irc_smirk> do you think the change in the currency recently will affect prices
[8:25] <hyperair> well, usd-to-sgd conversion rates affect prices for me since everything on aliexpress is sold in usd
[8:25] <irc_smirk> yeah im doing that with kid now
[8:25] <irc_smirk> my uncle did a watch with me when i was 8 and it stuck to me
[8:26] <irc_smirk> hyperair - for better or worse?
[8:26] <pigrit> mornin'
[8:26] <Twist> irc_smirk: they have cheap labor.
[8:27] <irc_smirk> but cheap is relative
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[8:28] <AiGreek> Mornin'
[8:29] <irc_smirk> hi
[8:30] <Twist> I seriously need to stop leaving my printer at the hackspace
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[8:30] <Twist> 2:30 in the morning, and I need a new Pi camera case. grr.
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[8:31] <AiGreek> Twist you want mine ?
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[8:31] <Twist> AiGreek: Custom application.. I'm bodging a front door peephole security camera together
[8:32] <hyperair> irc_smirk: well, if usd gets more expensive, then things get more expensive for me.
[8:32] <hyperair> irc_smirk: if it comes down, then things get cheaper
[8:32] <pigrit> does it come with poisoned darts
[8:32] <Twist> At this distance, the camera is ridiculously sensitive to angle. I need something with some adjustment screws that rest against the door.
[8:34] <AiGreek> okey ! today is the day i WILL receive my raspberry(s) ><
[8:34] <pigrit> yay
[8:35] <Twist> actually.. heh. I should just replace the whole peephole cylinder with a one piece mount
[8:35] <pigrit> today is the day I figure out i2c (maybe)
[8:35] <AiGreek> good luck, then
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[8:37] <Twist> irc_smirk: heh.. this is another application like your robotics thing.
[8:37] <Twist> check 'peephole camera' prices on amazon. then realize that they're about $10 in parts
[8:38] <AiGreek> you can use the 'spy pi camera'
[8:38] <irc_smirk> i actaully would like to control a camera with an head mounted display
[8:38] <irc_smirk> so as you turn your head, the servos turn the camera
[8:38] <Twist> AiGreek: I already have the official camera. it's a nice unit.
[8:39] <Twist> AiGreek: I like the size of the one you mention, thoguh
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[8:40] <irc_smirk> found it
[8:41] <irc_smirk> http://www.mindsensors.com/arduino/16-evshield-for-arduino-duemilanove-or-uno
[8:41] <irc_smirk> look at this beuty
[8:41] <irc_smirk> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kL5GmJtGW8k
[8:42] <irc_smirk> now i just need to find some rich family with brats at a garage sale and score lego motors
[8:42] <Twist> what's the obsession with lego?
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[8:42] <pigrit> or just walk around parks with a screwdriver looking for kids with rc cars
[8:42] <irc_smirk> my kid
[8:42] <irc_smirk> 4
[8:43] <irc_smirk> if he can stack whatever monstrocity of a creation ontop of a robot then he will feel acomplished
[8:43] <Twist> http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00EYT1CBE/
[8:43] <Twist> there's that markup again
[8:43] <irc_smirk> its funny though for xmas he ended up liking some stickers haha
[8:43] <irc_smirk> its really an excuse to get me toys
[8:44] <pigrit> shh it's a secret
[8:44] <irc_smirk> wtf
[8:45] <irc_smirk> thats cool Twist
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[8:45] <irc_smirk> though its not plug and play with lego i dont htink
[8:45] <irc_smirk> pigrit - lol
[8:45] <Twist> I suspect it's not.
[8:46] <pigrit> I've seen arduino in kinda all examples/projects that involve motors, is there a particular reason to go that way ?
[8:46] <pigrit> as in, instead of connecting them/driving them from the pi
[8:46] <irc_smirk> pigrit - as i understand it arduino is microcontroller so its closer to the electrons
[8:47] <Twist> pigrit: simplicity, really. It's easier to hold tight timings with a simple C program running on a microcontroller, rather than a full OS that's going to put your stuff on hold while it handles other services.
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[8:48] <irc_smirk> twist - is that really an issue with the os though? like if you spin a motor its really the hardware that would dtermine if its tight or not isnt it?
[8:49] <pigrit> yeah but it's still the pi telling arduino what to do, so you still wait for the pi
[8:49] <pigrit> (I assume)
[8:50] <Twist> pigrit: depends on the application. you don't always need the Pi's CPU power.
[8:50] <Twist> that little 16MHz AVR is pretty capable all on its own.
[8:50] <irc_smirk> i see the pi more for talking to the net and sending back instructions to arduino
[8:51] <Twist> irc_smirk: Yep. That's one good way to do things.
[8:52] <irc_smirk> 167 backers pledged $13,046 to help bring this project to life.
[8:52] <irc_smirk> for that arduino to lego motors/sensor shield
[8:52] <irc_smirk> crazy
[8:53] <pigrit> I'm surprised there isn't a popular way to do it already
[8:53] <irc_smirk> its prbably a case of engineers knowing the solution but not how to market it
[8:53] <Twist> I'm seeing several posts and articles explaining how to control those motors directy with a pi
[8:54] <Twist> but that's an amazingly small market niche
[8:54] <irc_smirk> with brick pi?
[8:54] <pigrit> yeah sounds like the 3rd or 4th thing tops that geekdom would attack :D
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[8:54] <pigrit> I wish I'd done electronics in high school instead of latin
[8:55] <Twist> If you can handle controlling motors with a pi or arduino, you're going to move away from overpaying for lego's stuff in a screaming hurry.
[8:55] <irc_smirk> they dont even teach cursive in school now
[8:55] <irc_smirk> yeah but i still need those parts
[8:55] <irc_smirk> this shiled is perfect so far in my research
[8:55] <irc_smirk> if i can find cheap lego motor and parts clones then im set
[8:55] * Twist shrugs
[8:55] <Twist> there's that money vs time tradeoff again
[8:55] <ShorTie> all the teach now is how to take common core tests
[8:56] <irc_smirk> its 4 year old motor dexterity
[8:56] <pigrit> so they've perfected school for the sake of school
[8:57] <irc_smirk> wait a minute wait a minute hold th press
[8:57] <irc_smirk> http://www.mindsensors.com/teaching-stem-with-robotics/13-pistorms-base-kit
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[8:57] <irc_smirk> with a screen
[8:57] <irc_smirk> ah yeaaaah
[8:57] <pigrit> cute
[8:58] <pigrit> but...
[8:58] <irc_smirk> twist you need to deliver on the made in china lego motors site for .99
[8:58] <pigrit> no poisoned darts launcher
[8:58] <irc_smirk> i got you
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[8:59] <Twist> irc_smirk: can't help you there, chief.
[8:59] <Twist> It's not the motors.. it's the mounts
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[9:00] <Twist> lego's manufacturing tolerances are legendary.
[9:00] <irc_smirk> ah
[9:00] <Twist> ever play with lego clone bricks?
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[9:01] <Twist> not mindstorms.. just megablocks or dollar store crap
[9:01] <irc_smirk> 3d print all the things
[9:01] <irc_smirk> ok fair enough
[9:02] <irc_smirk> i thkn i read the original legos still connect with current ones
[9:02] <Twist> yep
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[9:02] <Twist> your 3d printer is not going to be dialed in that well
[9:03] <irc_smirk> there must be a catch with this pistroms robot
[9:03] <irc_smirk> liek battery life
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[9:04] <Twist> looks like you can run it off a wall wart, too
[9:05] <irc_smirk> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jgD1yH6-FG4
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[9:43] <styler2go> Hi, i am trying to get my wifi access point working but i always get the error: nl80211: Could not configure driver mode
[9:43] <styler2go> Any idea?
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[9:55] <Xark> styler2go: Not all wifi dongles support AP mode (if that is what you are going for).
[9:57] <styler2go> Mine does, i checed with iw list
[9:58] <styler2go> And many pages say it is supporting it http://rpi.vypni.net/wifi-ap-rt5370-on-raspberry-pi/
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[10:05] <Xark> styler2go: Well, are you on latest OS etc.? "Could not configure driver mode" sure sounds like something isn't ready for AP
[10:05] <styler2go> Xark: This is the log of hostapd: http://p.styler2go.de/?93 And it says " Failed to set interface 3 to mode 3: -16 (Device or resource busy)"
[10:07] <Xark> styler2go: I don't know. You are going to have to ask somebody familiar with that type of dongle I suspect.
[10:07] <styler2go> Hm... Okay then
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[10:45] <TheRinger> wanting to hook up a sr25-da solid state relay, can't seem to find any info on this...
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[11:13] <gordonDrogon> TheRinger, fairly trivial. very similar to the ones I'm using. 2 terminals for the load and 2 terminals which are basically the low-voltage side that goes to the Pi. One is marked + and one -. It's nothing more than an LED.
[11:13] <TheRinger> ok,
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[11:14] <TheRinger> I am experienced with arduino, is the pins/voltages the same
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[11:15] <gordonDrogon> almost - it's really designed for a 5v drive, however the Pi's 3.3v drives it OK. The ones I have also have a visible indicator LED - this goes on at 5v, but not at 3.3v - this doesn't seem to affect the internal opto isolator LED.
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[11:16] <gordonDrogon> but you can directly connect the -ve pin to the Pi's 0v supply and the +ve pin to a GPIO pin.
[11:16] <gordonDrogon> http://unicorn.drogon.net/IMG_20151108_165714.jpg <-- the grey cable coming out of that goes to one such SSR.
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[11:18] <defsdoor> wassat ?
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[11:18] <gordonDrogon> it's a Pi A+ controlling one of my ovens.
[11:18] <defsdoor> cool
[11:18] <gordonDrogon> 3 thermocouples in and an SSR out.
[11:19] <defsdoor> dynamic temperature control ?
[11:19] <gordonDrogon> yes.
[11:19] <defsdoor> static temp or following a best result path ?
[11:20] <defsdoor> turning it up at end to crisp sort of thing ?
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[11:23] <gordonDrogon> it depends what I'm baking.
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[11:24] <gordonDrogon> mostly bread right now, but overnight meringues at 65C is on the cards as is an 8-hour cook of some rye breads with a falling temperature.
[11:25] <defsdoor> cool
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[11:25] <gordonDrogon> http://unicorn.drogon.net/ovens.jpg <-- ovens in my bakery - you can just see the grey cable on the top one.
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[11:28] <gordonDrogon> and speaking of the bakery, I need to get there now and do some baking - today is pasty and quiche day for a market tomorrow. Also have a birthday cake to make.
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[12:14] <tjcarter> whelp, I gave a USB OTG hub with ethernet a go. Wun Hung Lo crap, ethernet doesn't even show up with lsusb.
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[12:15] * tjcarter is diappointed as he was hoping he could recommend the thing to Pi Zero peeps.
[12:15] <julius> maybe it needs a driver
[12:15] <julius> but thats just a guess
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[12:20] <tjcarter> julius: lsusb can't see it, which means no driver is possible.
[12:20] <julius> ah ok, didnt know that
[12:20] <julius> no dmesg either?
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[12:20] <tjcarter> none.
[12:22] <tjcarter> If the device cannot be enumerated, it doesn't exist.
[12:22] <julius> you probably got a good reason not to use the onboard ethernet?
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[12:26] <tjcarter> I'm returning the thing. The whole point of buying it was a USB hub with ethernet for OTG connectors.
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[12:34] <pigrit> do I misunderstand correctly that to connect multiple sensors with i2c you'd put the i2c pin on a rail and then plug in there what you'd normally plug in a gpio ?
[12:34] <RaTTuS|BIG> tjcarter do you have a link for it
[12:34] <pigrit> broadly
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[12:35] <tjcarter> http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B016ERI1JY
[12:35] <tjcarter> That and half a dozen with different names on it that look 100% exactly like it.
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[12:35] <RaTTuS|BIG> yeah I've seen a hunge bunch of those
[12:36] <tjcarter> Apparently fully 1/3 have non-working ethernet once you start finding ones with reviews.
[12:36] <mgottschlag2> pigrit: you'd connect SDA/SCL of all devices together and to SDA/SCL of the pi, and probably you'd also add pullup resistors to 3.3v
[12:37] <pigrit> I'm gonna look up what that means :D - but that's the point, right ? use 1 pin instead of x
[12:37] <mgottschlag2> yeah. 2, but still :)
[12:37] <tjcarter> RaTTuS|BIG: If you've found similar devices that actually WORK, lemme know.
[12:37] <RaTTuS|BIG> http://www.gearbest.com/cables-connectors/pp_261018.html I've heard that those work but I cannot say with any certainty
[12:38] <pigrit> now, do the sensors/devices need to be someway compatible with anything, or is it free for all
[12:38] <mgottschlag2> http://www.societyofrobots.com/member_tutorials/files/SoR_tut1_html_649df559.gif
[12:38] <RaTTuS|BIG> note returns on those are not worth it ... you pays your money and takes the chace
[12:38] <pigrit> e.g. I got a bunch of sunfounder sensors
[12:38] <mgottschlag2> pigrit: you need linux drivers or you need to write your own I2C-using code
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[12:38] <mgottschlag2> most projects just do the latter
[12:39] <pigrit> not sure I see
[12:40] <pigrit> do you mean drivers to use each sensor
[12:40] <mgottschlag2> yes
[12:40] <tjcarter> RaTTuS|BIG: I'm paying $0 to return it :)
[12:40] <mgottschlag2> http://wiringpi.com/reference/i2c-library/ <- e.g. you could use wiringpi
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[12:43] <RaTTuS|BIG> I meant for the gearbest one I linked
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[12:51] <pigrit> that's what I was looking at, does it not do the driver's job ?
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[12:56] <mgottschlag2> pigrit: the bus is like a network connection... the data is sent automatically, but the high level communication still needs to be specified by drivers :p
[12:56] <mgottschlag2> every device is different
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[13:25] <Wazza> pi zeros are in stock at thepihut.com if anyone needs one :)
[13:26] <Wazza> just ordered myself one
[13:27] <mstevens> Wazza: me too
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[13:45] <styler2go> Whats the best distro to create an wifi access point?
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[13:54] <deshipu> openwrt probably ;)
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[14:20] <rubdos> Hi. My Pi seems to have a very instable WiFi connection. Regarding the seems: it only has an unstable connection with my laptop, when it's on wifi.
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[14:21] <rubdos> So Pi wifi <-> ThinkPad wifi is unstable, but Pi WiFi <-> ThinkPad with cable is stable.
[14:21] <defsdoor> rubdos, tiny attenna syndrome
[14:21] <defsdoor> antenna*
[14:21] <rubdos> By instable, I mean: From 192.168.95.102 icmp_seq=106 Destination Host Unreachable for a while, then a perfect ping for a while.
[14:21] <rubdos> defsdoor, yay, that's fast :P
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[14:22] <rubdos> Could you elaborate on that?
[14:22] <defsdoor> your wifi adapter has a tiny antenna
[14:22] <rubdos> Fact
[14:22] <rubdos> But it worked the past few weeks without much of a hassle.
[14:23] <defsdoor> thats wifi for you
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[14:23] <djazz> rubdos: is it the official dongle?
[14:23] <rubdos> And it's only my thinkpad's wifi, via router, to Pi wifi. My phone never loses connection, my GF's phone/laptop neither.
[14:23] <rubdos> djazz, no
[14:23] <rubdos> cheapass TP-Link WN725N
[14:23] <djazz> try run on the pi: sudo iwconfig wlan0 power off
[14:23] <djazz> to disable power saving
[14:24] <rubdos> And my laptop has a crappy BCM43228
[14:24] <rubdos> roger
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[14:25] <rubdos> Error for wireless request "Set Power Management" (8B2C) :
[14:25] <rubdos> SET failed on device wlan0 ; Operation not permitted.
[14:25] <rubdos> dafuq
[14:25] <rubdos> I'm root.
[14:25] <djazz> is power management on or off if you just run iwconfig?
[14:25] <djazz> maybe it dont support it
[14:25] <rubdos> Power Management:off
[14:25] <rubdos> :)
[14:25] <djazz> k, good
[14:26] <djazz> im not sure why connection is bad..
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[14:26] <djazz> try use the dongle on your laptop to the internet (router)
[14:26] <rubdos> Me neither, that's why I asked :p
[14:26] <rubdos> I could try that indeed. Will probably do later today then.
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[14:27] <rubdos> Quote from internet: "I think there's been an improvement in the wifi speed, but it seems not quite stable (drops to 9/100 sometimes), and it's 2 or 3 times slower than the other Pi."
[14:27] <rubdos> that's about that adapter I have.
[14:28] <rubdos> Link Quality=2/100 in iwconfig
[14:28] <rubdos> mmmm :p
[14:28] <djazz> also, how far are you from router? many walls? etc
[14:28] <djazz> i have a couple of nano wifi dongles and they have quite bad range
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[14:36] <rubdos> djazz, three meters, pure air.
[14:36] <rubdos> There's a screen between the router and the pi though
[14:36] <djazz> oh
[14:36] <djazz> well :P
[14:36] <djazz> are there any other wifi networks nearby?
[14:36] <rubdos> tons
[14:37] <rubdos> Center of Brussels.
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[14:37] <djazz> same channel?
[14:37] <rubdos> Probably, pretty unavoidable here :/
[14:37] <rubdos> Could check on that though
[14:37] <djazz> iwlist scan
[14:37] <djazz> :D
[14:38] <rubdos> Should only check the 2.5 GHz band, right? :P
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[14:38] <rubdos> (because the TP only does 2.5)
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[14:40] <rubdos> I see at least two networks per channel :s
[14:40] <rubdos> We're on channel 2, that's not very crowded :p
[14:40] <rubdos> Also: I'm the only 5GHz user in the neighborhood. Great. :P
[14:40] <djazz> hm
[14:40] <djazz> that might be too much for the little dongle heh
[14:41] <rubdos> could be, yes.
[14:41] <djazz> can you try move it more than 3 meters?
[14:41] <rubdos> c/2.5GHz = 12cm, the smallest metal frame on the path to the router is like 5 meters round, so no problems there.
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[14:41] <rubdos> djazz, more? Don't think so... Quite a small room :s
[14:42] <rubdos> I could try to reposition the router a little though
[14:42] <djazz> closer then? :D
[14:42] <rubdos> Well... I have some wires that constrain the thing atm :p
[14:42] <rubdos> Like... Two big speakers, a hard drive, a 3D printer, long HDMI cable... :p
[14:43] <rubdos> I should put the Pi on Ethernet though, instead of WiFi...
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[14:46] <awz> Guys, help.
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[14:49] <awz> I took up a task in google code in. I have to make a python script to capture 10 images from a raspi and then upload everything to a github repo. I am done writing the script. But there's one problem. I don't have a raspi camera! Is there a way that I can emulate a camera on my pi? So that it takes blank images? or something like that?
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[14:50] <rubdos> It's really weird, djazz. My GF copied over 30 Gigabytes of data using wifi<->wifi to our pi, while I can't keep a connection for more than two minutes.
[14:51] <rubdos> She's on Linux Mint, I'm on Archlinux
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[14:51] <djazz> odd
[14:51] <djazz> can you not do the same?
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[14:51] <djazz> or just ssh not working?
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[14:52] <rubdos> djazz, any connection
[14:52] <rubdos> ping (icmp) ssh, tcp, http, ...
[14:52] <djazz> hm
[14:52] <rubdos> And it has worked for so long. I'm really thinking that it's this broadcom crap again.
[14:53] <rubdos> Perhaps I should rechange the drivers here... Let's see whether I'm on propietary or not today
[14:53] <rubdos> Kernel modules: bcma
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[14:53] <awz> rubdos: help me mate!
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[14:53] <rubdos> mmm, that's the free driver... I'd rather keep that :P
[14:53] <rubdos> awz, I would have if I'd know how to emulate a RPi camera, but I don't.
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[14:54] <awz> rubdos, ok lol.
[14:54] <rubdos> afaik, there's no way. Instead, I'd put a cheapo webcam via usb and use that.
[14:56] <Flutterbat> isnt the b43 also free?
[14:56] <awz> rubdos, would the picamera work with that?
[14:56] <rubdos> awz, no idea :)
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[14:56] <Flutterbat> theres a free one from broadcom and theres a free one that is reversed engineered or something like that
[14:56] <rubdos> Flutterbat, yep
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[14:56] <rubdos> Flutterbat, what, like, free software by broadcom? Did I live under a stone last year?
[14:57] <Flutterbat> rubdos: thats how I understood it. Was battling that issue a few days ago
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[14:58] <rubdos> I know there's a proprietary "STA" driver and there's b43 afaik. I'm suprised to see bcma though. I've even been on the (wifi-) kernel ml to ask for support for this card.
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[14:58] <rubdos> I would have sent it over to the broadcom reverse engineers if my brand new intel card wasn't blocked by lenovo :(
[14:58] <Flutterbat> brcm80211 Kernel driver open-source version
[14:58] <Flutterbat> b43 Kernel driver reverse-engineered version
[14:58] <Flutterbat> those two exist
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[14:59] <rubdos> Wow, and I'm talking to you via a third one :D
[14:59] <rubdos> Googling it, thank you :)
[15:00] <Flutterbat> my source was the arch wiki
[15:00] <Flutterbat> https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Broadcom_wireless
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[15:01] <djazz> it's Flutterbat :D https://i.ytimg.com/vi/OkfVpVIBll8/maxresdefault.jpg
[15:01] <rubdos> afaics, my card isn't supported by brcm80211 yet
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[15:03] <Flutterbat> rubdos: well my solution for the broadcom problem was, blacklist everything so that nothing is delaying the boot process :P
[15:03] <awz> rubdos, is it possible to emulate a RPi with a camera attached?
[15:03] <rubdos> Flutterbat, lol. I friggin hate broadcom :(
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[15:04] <rubdos> awz, no idea. I never touched the camera+pi combo.
[15:04] <Flutterbat> rubdos: i luckily have no need for wlan anymore
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[15:08] <rubdos> Flutterbat, problem is that I rent this place as a student and I cannot make a lot of holes in the walls to put cables...
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[15:08] <mlelstv> awz, nobody stops you from writing a fake picamera module
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[15:09] <rubdos> But I'm going to the store now... See you later.
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[15:10] <awz> mlelstv, haha!
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[15:39] <hinv> anybody know of remote access software that will connect a client to my server
[15:40] <hinv> I would like to ssh into a box on the other side of the router, but without making changes to the router, I can't get there
[15:40] <hinv> but if that box connected to my server, that would work
[15:40] <hinv> anybody done that?
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[15:48] <SirLagz> hinv: yeah, that's possible
[15:49] <SirLagz> hinv: VPN, or a SSH tunnel
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[16:01] <DeveloppSoft> Hello guys
[16:01] <mstevens> hello
[16:01] <DeveloppSoft> Can i build android apps from our prefered raspberry ?
[16:02] <DeveloppSoft> I think something like the AIDE app for rpi but i have not find anything ;(
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[16:03] <hinv> SirLagz any hint as where to start looking
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[16:06] <SirLagz> hinv: VPN, or a SSH tunnel <-- google those terms?
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[16:06] <DeveloppSoft> If it can help, I will be happy to compile or start porting tools
[16:07] <DeveloppSoft> But i need info
[16:07] <DeveloppSoft> Since i do not know where to start
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[16:15] <gordonDrogon> Pi Zeros back in-stock at pimoroni...
[16:15] <gordonDrogon> well, almost - run out of bare zeros...
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[16:17] <mstevens> gordonDrogon: I got my order in
[16:17] <gordonDrogon> yea, I missed out on just a bare zero, but got some others I was after anyway.
[16:18] <hinv> SirLagz does an SSH tunnel handle inbound traffic?
[16:18] <mstevens> gordonDrogon: I wanted the adapters anyway
[16:19] * mstevens gonna make a retropie and play old games
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[16:20] <SirLagz> hinv: it can do if you set it up that way
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[16:22] <hinv> I want to be able to take my pi, give it to a friend, have him connect it to his network, and without knowing his IP address or messing with his firewall be able to ssh into it
[16:22] <hinv> so it would have to start on boot
[16:24] <gordonDrogon> hinv, yes, that's possible. it needs to ssh out to a known IP address and do some reverse port forwarding.
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[16:24] <hinv> gordonDrogon that's all possible with ssh?
[16:24] <gordonDrogon> yes.
[16:24] <hinv> or do I need other tools
[16:24] <gordonDrogon> just ssh.
[16:24] <hinv> very cool.
[16:24] <hinv> many thanks
[16:25] <mullein> you need to discover the ip address
[16:25] <gordonDrogon> look at the -R option.
[16:25] <hinv> mullein what do you mean?
[16:25] <mullein> you said that you need to ssh without knowing his ip address
[16:25] <gordonDrogon> mullein, the only IP you need is that of the remote site the 'unknown' Pi is ssh'ing to. You log onto that site then ssh into the remote Pi using the port you forwarded to from the remote Pi.
[16:25] <mullein> but as gordonDrogon said, you ssh to a known ip address
[16:26] <gordonDrogon> brb. pastys in the oven..
[16:26] <mullein> oh ssh into the rpi
[16:26] <mullein> at minimum, you need dhclient as well then
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[16:27] <hinv> mullein, I want the PI at an unknown address to initiate the connection to my server
[16:27] <mullein> since the rpi isn't going to be accessible without getting an address. and that requires that network allows dhcp.
[16:27] <hinv> mullein, yeah, the pi would have to first pick up an ip address via dhcp from whatever network it is on
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[16:28] <hinv> I think dhcpclient is default for raspian
[16:28] <mullein> and if you are sshing from the rpi to a remote sshd, you'll need that remote machine's ip address
[16:29] <hinv> mullein, yeah, I can just use my IP address here at home
[16:29] <hinv> I know that one
[16:29] <mullein> i'm really confused
[16:29] <mullein> are you sshing into the rpi? or some machine of your friend's?
[16:29] <hinv> I want to be able to hand my pi to a friend and not know his address or mess with his router
[16:30] <hinv> when he puts it on whatever network, I want to be able to ssh into it
[16:30] <mullein> i thought you want to put the pi on his network and have the pi ssh into some other machine on his network
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[16:30] <hinv> I have to have the pi initiate the tunnel
[16:30] <mullein> but now i think you want to put the pi on his network and ssh to the pi
[16:31] <hinv> then I can remotely login to it
[16:31] <hinv> SirLagz and gordonDrogon are saying that SSH tunnels can do this for me
[16:33] <hinv> mullein are we on the same page?
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[16:33] <mullein> yeah, i was just confused by which machine 'it' referred to in your problem description
[16:34] <mullein> ssh tunnel should work, yes
[16:34] <hinv> sorry
[16:34] <mullein> http://www.linuxjournal.com/content/ssh-tunneling-poor-techies-vpn
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[16:35] <hinv> I am confused though, once I have the tunnel set up, If I am at home trying to get to the remote pi, what IP address I ssh to
[16:35] <mullein> localhost i think
[16:35] <hinv> ok
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[16:36] <nardul> Heyo! How can I add a module to my kernel, so that it is loaded before the root filesystem is mounted?
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[16:44] <alesan> hello
[16:44] <alesan> the regular original raspberry pi has a serial port or something so one can get its IP address?
[16:44] <alesan> I have loaded the debian for raspberry pi
[16:44] <alesan> now a friend has it and I do not recall what IP configuration I gave
[16:45] <alesan> static? DHCP? who remembers. how to find out?
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[16:49] <Encrypt> alesan, Check /etc/network/interfaces
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[16:50] <Nightcinder> how do you guys feel about the Pine A64?
[16:50] <alesan> Encrypt, how?
[16:50] <alesan> is there a serial port I can connect to?
[16:51] <alesan> or the alternative is to remove the sd card and check it on another product?
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[16:51] <Encrypt> alesan, Or if it is connected, you can use nmap to find it on the network
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[16:52] <alesan> assuming my friend has a network configuration that is similar (same subnet)
[16:52] <alesan> or nmap can also scan for any ethernet host independently of the IP subnetwork?
[16:52] <Encrypt> If you know the subnet
[16:52] <Encrypt> You can scan an entire subnet
[16:52] <alesan> I do not know the subnet
[16:53] <alesan> I gave it to my friend, I do not know what subnet he uses
[16:53] <alesan> now I remember which one I used last year
[16:53] <alesan> :(
[16:53] <Groggy> There is a serial port, can be used with a USB to TTL cable
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[16:55] <alesan> oh nice that will make it much esier
[16:55] <alesan> I ewill look for the pinout
[16:56] <Groggy> I haven't used one, but there are other here that has done that and it often comes up as a way to control the pi
[16:56] <Groggy> good luck alesan!
[16:56] <alesan> "often" or "it does"? :)
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[16:56] <Groggy> ehm... more the later maybe :P
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[16:58] <Apocx> you can ssh into it over the serial port yes. obviously you need physical access to it for that though (in which case might as well just plug in an HDMI monitor)
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[16:58] <Apocx> if the Pi is configured for dhcp you can possibly use nmap to find it or ping it via host name (ping raspberrypi)
[16:59] <Apocx> or look it up in your router admin page
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[17:00] <Apocx> if it's configured for a static IP that is using the wrong subnet then you'll need physical access to it to fix it
[17:00] <alesan> okok
[17:00] <alesan> just one note, I do not believe the serial communication is encrypted on SSH - I have never seen that
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[17:01] <alesan> I am not saying it's theoretically impossible but I am almost sure it's unencrypted serial communication
[17:02] <Apocx> should be irrelevant if all you need to do is get in to configure your network
[17:02] <ali1234> it isn't encrypted and anyone with a $300 scope can decode it easily
[17:02] <ali1234> it isn't ssh either
[17:02] <Apocx> it's just a login prompt
[17:02] <Apocx> but I was lazy
[17:02] <Apocx> and rather type ssh
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[17:06] <alesan> I am waiting for my friend to be online so we can go through all the options
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[17:06] <alesan> we will start with a simple nmap
[17:06] <alesan> and then if it doe not work try other options. if he has a USB TTL serial cable, we will try that next
[17:07] <alesan> the raspberry pi is mounted inside a airproof box and it's always a chore to open it to get physical access.
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[17:19] <ali1234> Gadgetoid: your website seems to have a math problem: http://i.imgur.com/EMPnm9n.png
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[17:19] <ali1234> uh oh...
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[17:34] <mlelstv> probably a variant of bistro math
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[17:35] <Apocx> interesting, what do you plan on doing with the SD/MMC breakout?
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[17:53] <ali1234> Apocx: add a second SD slot to my raspberry pi. actually i already have one... i want a spare for breadboarding
[17:54] <ali1234> second slot can be used for a second SD card or possibly for wifi
[17:55] <ali1234> also allows to use full size cards on the pi, which are slightly cheaper
[17:56] <ali1234> and a lot less likely to get lost
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[17:57] <Apocx> interesting
[17:57] <Hectate> morn
[17:57] <Apocx> I didn't realize the Pi had extra SDIO for a second SD card
[17:57] <ali1234> not many people do...
[17:58] <ali1234> it doesn't help that the datasheet is incomplete
[17:58] <Apocx> it'd require some device tree edits I'd imagine
[17:58] <ali1234> those have been done, that's why we know about it
[17:58] <Apocx> ah
[17:58] <ali1234> same as with the DPI port in fact
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[18:00] <Apocx> yeah I do remember reading about someone adding SDIO wifi
[18:00] <Apocx> not sure if he was succesful
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[18:18] <ali1234> i just got my new cables for pi display
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[18:19] <Syliss> i really wish it was micro hdmi
[18:19] <Syliss> oh well
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[18:21] <ali1234> it wouldn't be raspberry pi if it didn't have a glaringly obvious design flaw
[18:22] <Syliss> lulz
[18:22] <Syliss> i just wanted to eliminate the adapter needed for my moto lapdock
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[18:24] <ali1234> also one of my STM32 dev boards just arrived
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[18:30] <afl_ext> Hello
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[18:31] <afl_ext> I just got my RPi, put noobs on it and all I see is red light with green light blinking at first for some times, then nothing
[18:31] <afl_ext> but I see that my sd card partitions changed sizes
[18:31] <afl_ext> what can cause this?
[18:32] <afl_ext> no video output at hdmi at all, no signal
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[18:40] <afl_ext> nevermind its fixed, somehow my hdmi cable dont like rpi
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[18:50] <conor_f> I just installed Raspbian Jessie Lite and tried to get my wifi dongle working. Its driver is installed and working fine, but wpa_supplicant seems to be causing issues
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[18:51] <conor_f> I looked around and apparently downgrading wpasupplicant will fix it
[18:51] <conor_f> How can I downgrade wpasupplicant though? :/
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[18:54] <Apocx> could always just put your wifi info in /etc/network/interfaces and omit wpa_supplicant completely.
[18:55] <conor_f> I tried that already
[18:55] <conor_f> Network just hung
[18:55] <conor_f> didn't connect
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[19:01] <conor_f> was using WPA instead of WEP -_-
[19:01] <rubdos> djazz, some kernel panics and wifi-fallouts further, I removed the proprietary driver... I rather cope with a bad connection than with an instable operating system :P
[19:02] <Twist> Can I stuff an SD card used with a Pi2 into an A+ or B/B+ model 1 and expect it to boot and function?
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[19:03] <djazz> gg
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[19:05] <Hectate> Twist: probably?
[19:05] <Hectate> my install of Noobs for pi0 is exactly the same as what is going on any other pi
[19:05] <Hectate> based on the fact that there aren't multiple downloads
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[19:07] <Twist> Yep. Seems to work.
[19:08] <Twist> I went with my original Pi just for giggles.
[19:08] <Twist> so very slow
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[19:11] <conor_f> still not working :/
[19:11] <Twist> Dunno why I didn't start doing that months ago.. build on a 2, them move to an old 1 once the appliance is configured.
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[19:20] <Twist> ooer. The Pi can dive a 4k display. Didn't realize that one.
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[19:21] <Hectate> interesting
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[19:21] <Hectate> i'm using my zero on a simple HDTV, 720p perhaps? not sure
[19:22] <Twist> only @ 15Hz, but still. Pretty awesome for a cheap high density information kiosk thing
[19:23] <Gadgetoid> ali1234: it's Shopify which can sometimes be fabulously dumb
[19:23] <Gadgetoid> ali1234: it's calculating the VAT inclusive price on the total, rather than per item and then summing up
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[19:52] <conor_f> guys can ye help me configure my wifi adapter?
[19:53] <awz> conor_f, what happened?
[19:53] <conor_f> I'm pretty sure the driver is fine because it was installed by default and I can scan and see my wifi networks
[19:54] <awz> but you can't connect?
[19:54] <conor_f> I'm getting bogged down looking it up with the differences between wpa_supplicant and /etc/networks and stuff
[19:54] <conor_f> Yeah, I can't connect
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[19:56] <awz> conor_f, use this: https://www.raspberrypi.org/documentation/configuration/wireless/wireless-cli.md
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[19:58] <awz> conor_f, do you have a picam?
[19:58] <conor_f> a picam?
[19:59] <awz> a camera for the RPi
[19:59] <conor_f> nope
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[20:00] <awz> conor_f: do you know a guy who has one?
[20:01] <conor_f> not offhand but possibly
[20:01] <conor_f> why?
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[20:02] <awz> conor_f: I am participating in the Google Code In. So I have a task which requires me to make a python script to capture 10 images and push everything to a github repo.
[20:03] <conor_f> Oh enjoy GCI :D
[20:03] <nardul> Anyone have experience changing the root filesystem on a pi?
[20:03] <awz> I have made the script.
[20:03] <conor_f> I was actually one of the winners a few years ago awz
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[20:04] <awz> haha another friend of mine was too conor_f
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[20:05] <nardul> I'm trying to get it to boot with nilfs2, having created an initramfs. But it's very hard to verify that this initramfs is actually loaded. Anyhow it won't boot.
[20:05] <traeak> need to add nilfs2 module to the initrd
[20:05] <traeak> ahh
[20:05] <traeak> can you mount the initramfs directly and inspect it for the module?
[20:06] <conor_f> I follow that guide for WEP awz but when I iudown and ifup again I get receive_packet failed on wlan0: Network is down
[20:06] <nardul> traeak: Hey, I can use lsinitcpio and verify that it is there (I'm using arch for ARM).
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[20:07] <traeak> no idea honestly :(
[20:07] <traeak> i've run 2 systems with nilfs2
[20:07] <nardul> traeak: As a root filesystem?
[20:07] <traeak> over the long run i've occasionally had problems with the cleanerd stalling out
[20:07] <traeak> yes
[20:07] <nardul> How did you create the ramdisk?
[20:07] <traeak> never as boot though
[20:07] <traeak> not with void though
[20:08] <nardul> traeak: Ah, it's not the boot disk, only the root :)
[20:08] <traeak> arch uses mkinitcpio, void uses dracut
[20:08] <awz> conor_f reboot maybe?
[20:08] <traeak> the boot partition can't be nilfs2 because grub can't read it
[20:08] <nardul> traeak: (I've never even heard of void)
[20:08] <traeak> or whatever your boot loader is
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[20:09] <traeak> its always safe to use fat or ext2 for boot partition....i think rpi is fat
[20:09] <psiklops> Hi. I have a Waveshare 5" LCD attached to my RPi B+ and need to use a 5 V GPIO pin that is already used by the LCD. I need the pin for a "shutdown -h now" Button. Can i use this pin for both at the same time ?
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[20:09] <nardul> traeak: It is fat. I've built the thing with mkinitcpio.
[20:09] <traeak> added nilfs module to the mkinitcpio.conf?
[20:10] <nardul> traeak: nilfs2, but yes.
[20:10] <traeak> i only ever did this with x86, not with arm but shouldn't be an issue
[20:10] <nardul> Then i changed cmdline.txt to add the initrd=IMG,offset and rootfstype=nilfs2
[20:10] <psiklops> PS: Both 5 V pins are already in use by the LCD
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[20:11] <traeak> i don't recall ever doing that :-p
[20:11] <nardul> traeak: The rPi bootloader is a bit different. I can't really find much documentation about how it works.
[20:12] <psiklops> or can i use a hacked USB cable connected to RPi USB Port and use the 5 V wire instead ?
[20:12] <psiklops> don't want to fry my pi :-)
[20:13] <traeak> psiklops: you mean into the microusb ?
[20:13] <malac0da> exit
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[20:14] <conor_f> Still no wifi after reboot :(
[20:15] <psiklops> traeak, ? I have a script and a button that use pin 4, ground, +3V3
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[20:15] <traeak> if using the pins directly there's no input protection...i think that's only on the microusb
[20:16] <conor_f> any ideas?
[20:16] <traeak> conor_f: you have the proper firmward for your usb wifi ?
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[20:17] <conor_f> Well I didn't have to install any extra packages to get it to work
[20:17] <conor_f> (by work I mean be able to scan for networks)
[20:17] <traeak> oh so you have wifi but not connecting to access point after boot :-p
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[20:33] <ShapeShifter499> hi
[20:34] <ShapeShifter499> So I'm going to be joining the pi community, I was able to snag a PiZero online from Pimoroni about a few hours ago. Should be here in a week or two. Is there anything I should know about this device and Raspberry Pi in general?
[20:35] <Gadgetoid> ShapeShifter499: Woo!
[20:35] <Gadgetoid> Err, make sure you download the Raspbian Jessie image ready to flash to your SD card :D
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[20:36] <ShapeShifter499> Gadgetoid: is there anything specific that would prevent me from running any other arm based OS?
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[20:36] <Gadgetoid> ShapeShifter499: Yeah, the Pi Zero is armv6 not armv7 ( or some technicality of that nature )
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[20:36] <ShapeShifter499> I might stick arch linux arm on it
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[20:37] <Gadgetoid> From what I understand, apart from simply being an inferior distro ( hur hur hur ) Arch will still work
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[20:37] <Gadgetoid> Although we tend to only support our addons in Raspbian, there are a few Arch pioneers who've tried most of them
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[20:38] <MrZhi> Anyone messed with the adafruit GPS hat?
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[20:38] <MrZhi> trying to figure out if I can power the unit through the hat...
[20:38] <ShapeShifter499> Gadgetoid: I may go with raspbian then
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[20:38] <ShapeShifter499> idk I'd have to mess with it a bit
[20:39] <nebadon> i would definitely suggest using raspbian first
[20:39] <nebadon> even if you intend on using another flavor at some point
[20:39] <Gadgetoid> It also depends what you actually want to do with the Pi, or get out of it
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[20:41] <MrZhi> I should probably learn about electricity more before playing with it
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[20:42] <ShapeShifter499> Would I be able to use this PiZero as a serial device? (to control or flash other devices via serial)
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[20:43] <Gadgetoid> ShapeShifter499: generally, yes, it's got a hardware UART which will happily talk to anything that's 3.3v
[20:43] <riskable> ShapeShifter499: Well it has a USB port... So you could hook up a zilliion USB-to-Serial adapters and go to town
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[20:43] <Gadgetoid> Or that..
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[20:44] <MrZhi> That sounds like the true hacker way
[20:44] <ShapeShifter499> I know about the usb support but the goal is to minimize power usage if I needed to
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[20:46] <MrZhi> I guess it sorta depends on the application you're shooting for
[20:47] <riskable> ShapeShifter499: Well, you've got UART on-board so you can use that. You can also use an I2C-to-UART bridge!
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[20:47] <riskable> Then there's good ol' software serial implementations
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[20:48] <MrZhi> That's more like Arduino turf I'd imagine
[20:49] <ShapeShifter499> I'm more towards end user knowledge at this point so I'm just going to use this Pi as a learning tool
[20:49] * MrZhi should have prefaced with "But I'm an amateur armchair RPi hobbist"
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[20:50] <methuzla> ShapeShifter499 start with raspbian just to learn the ropes
[20:50] <conor_f> traeak: yeah, I suppose that's a better way of putting it haha
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[20:50] <methuzla> ShapeShifter499 you can also swap OSs by simply swapping SD cards, if you have multiple
[20:51] <ShapeShifter499> I have a few unused ones, sounds like a plan
[20:51] <conor_f> So is there a super basic guide for connecting to a WEP secured access point using wpa_supplicant or some other default installed program?
[20:51] <ShapeShifter499> two 4 gb and one 16 micro sd
[20:53] <MrZhi> conor_f, is WPA totally out of the question?
[20:54] <MrZhi> conor_f, tried this: https://jeffskinnerbox.wordpress.com/2012/11/05/wifi-support-on-raspberry-pi/
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[20:57] <conor_f> MrZhi: yeah, college dorm wifi, can't change things around
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[21:00] <HD|Laptop> Hey all
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[21:00] <HD|Laptop> Anyone here who has expertise with the I2S subsystem?
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[21:02] <python476> hi guys (and guysettes)
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[21:04] <python476> I have a sony KDL-19L4000 TV, specs say 1680x1050 panel, but the automatic resolution is 1366x768
[21:04] <nebadon> you probably need to adjust the config.txt
[21:04] <python476> I tried using hdmi_mode=57 (58,59)=> blank tv
[21:05] <python476> with hdmi_group=2
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[21:06] <nebadon> 57 is 240hz
[21:06] <nebadon> maybe try 58
[21:06] <nebadon> its 60hz
[21:06] <python476> TV says 'outside of standard'
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[21:07] <python476> maybe edid issues
[21:08] <nebadon> you tried 58?
[21:08] <python476> yes
[21:08] <python476> 59 too
[21:08] <python476> here, no blank screen, but 768 res.
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[21:08] <python476> https://www.sony.co.uk/support/en/content/cnt-specs/KDL-19L4000/list I got the 1680x1050 figure from here
[21:09] <nebadon> 1680x1050 is 16:10
[21:09] <python476> alright
[21:09] <python476> does ratio matter?
[21:09] <nebadon> im not sure
[21:10] <nebadon> 5 is 16:10
[21:11] <nebadon> ive never hooked a raspberry pi to a 1680x1050 display
[21:11] <conor_f> MrZhi: thank you so much :D
[21:11] <conor_f> That works!
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[21:15] <MrZhi> conor_f, happy I could help mate :D
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[21:59] <pinewb> Someone please help! I've managed my pi0 can see my wifi, but it will not connect to it!!
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[22:02] <simoneb> are username/password correct? are you using dhcp?
[22:02] <pinewb> simoneb: Yes, both correct and setup to use DHCP.
[22:02] <simoneb> ifconfig shows wlan0?
[22:03] <simoneb> tried rebooting?
[22:03] <simoneb> did you set it up by modifying /etc/network/interfaces?
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[22:03] <pinewb> simoneb: it does show wlan0 and a inet addr associated to it. no idea what this address is though, its not my local network. tried rebooting a few times
[22:04] <simoneb> what is the address you see?
[22:04] <pinewb> simoneb: 169.254.185.227
[22:04] <simoneb> is it like 169.254 or something like that
[22:04] <simoneb> yes it is
[22:05] <simoneb> it means it can't get an ip from the network
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[22:05] <simoneb> or something like that? it has a specific meaning anyway
[22:05] <simoneb> maybe your router does not allow dhcp, or it refused the device based on a mac address filtering, or something
[22:06] <pinewb> simoneb: any idea how i would check that?
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[22:07] <pinewb> simoneb: doesnt the dhcp just mean the router allocates the ip address
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[22:07] <simoneb> maybe dmesg|tail... not sure... I'm just spitting out some unspecific *nix knowledge :|
[22:08] <simoneb> some googling seems to suggest that it's a dhcp problem... maybe avoiding dhcp would solve it
[22:08] <simoneb> yes it should but maybe your router is not configured to offer dhcp, or it has run out the dhcp address pool, etc
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[22:09] <Thymo> simoneb: DHCP is the protocol that assigns IPs. The only way to avoid it is to use static IPS.
[22:09] <pinewb> simoneb: hm, maybe. i've got 10 devices connected, which I would hope wouldnt overload it.
[22:09] <simoneb> Thymo: that's exactly what I meant
[22:09] <pinewb> Can i just allocate it any static ip from the PI or do i need to change the router?
[22:09] <simoneb> the dhcp server can be configured to give out a limited amount of dhcp addresses
[22:09] <ali1234> Gadgetoid: i don't think you should claim that the scroll ha bundle is a saving of £3.50... it's misleading in a number of ways
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[22:10] <Thymo> Assuming your IPs are 192.168.x.x you'll have 254 IPs in your pool.
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[22:10] <simoneb> pinewb: any unused IP address should do
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[22:10] <Thymo> pinewb: You can set an unused IP from the Pi yes.
[22:10] <ali1234> Gadgetoid: for one you can't actually buy the same thing separately, and for another thing the closest equivalents are 50p cheaper
[22:10] <pinewb> simoneb: so i just change the network interfaces file and we should be good to go
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[22:11] <Gadgetoid> ali1234: you mean the ebay ones?
[22:11] <simoneb> pinewb: hopefully
[22:11] <ali1234> Gadgetoid: ebay? don't know anything about ebay
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[22:12] <Gadgetoid> ali1234: equivilents to what? I'm confused. That said I've had not much to do with the bundles or the pricing, I've been too busy sneezing
[22:12] <ali1234> Gadgetoid: what i mean is that buying a pi zero, adapters, and a scroll hat on your website = £19
[22:12] <ali1234> the bundle = £19.50
[22:12] <ali1234> you can't buy the diffuser separately
[22:12] <ali1234> also if you buy it all separately you geta male and female header instead of just a right angle one, so it's arguably even better value
[22:12] <Gadgetoid> Yeah that's unfortunate because we've not had the time to make enough, stock it, photograph it separately, etc, but you *will* be able to, I'm at least 65% sure of that
[22:12] <Gadgetoid> Maybe even 67%
[22:13] <ali1234> so the diffuser is gonna cost £4 separately? same price as pi zero case, except for 1/4 the amount of plastic?
[22:13] <deshipu> 67.3%?
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[22:16] <Gadgetoid> ali1234: I'm not mentally capable of following your maths right now :(
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[22:16] <pinewb> simoneb: failed!
[22:17] <ali1234> in order for the bundle to be a saving of £3.50, the individual parts would have to cost £23.
[22:17] <ali1234> all of the parts currently available add up to £19
[22:17] <Gadgetoid> ali1234: I'm following, hold on
[22:19] <simoneb> pinewb: still 169.254?
[22:19] <pinewb> simoneb: yeah
[22:19] <simoneb> try to post your /etc/network/interfaces to pastebin
[22:19] <ali1234> it just feels like you've thrown this bundle together to cash in on people who are willing to pay extra to get a zero...
[22:20] <ali1234> but the most annoying part is that i don't have any female headers. i would have ordered one if i'd noticed that this bundle isn't actually a bundle, it's something different
[22:20] <ali1234> well except that you're out of stock
[22:20] <Gadgetoid> ali1234: it's not the only bundle, and ... well, people can go elsewhere if they want to pay £2.50 to just ship a £4 item :D
[22:21] <Gadgetoid> Headers I can possibly help you with
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[22:22] <ali1234> Gadgetoid: i'm not trying to get free stuff from you... i just think that the page is misleading
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[22:23] <Gadgetoid> ali1234: the bundle price is definitely waaaay off
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[22:23] <pinewb> simoneb: http://pastebin.com/FdWPrpgN
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[22:23] <Gadgetoid> ali1234: and is now fixed- I belive it's because it was originally going to include a USB shim, but it didn't make sense to include with the adapter cable
[22:24] <ali1234> cheers
[22:25] <Gadgetoid> ali1234: it's not an attempt to cash in, so much as an attempt to stem the flow of orders and maybe give people a chance who aren't just buying 10 Pi Zeros to hoarde in their bits box
[22:25] <simoneb> pinewb: only differences I see with mine are that I didn't specify broadcast and network... and I also have a "allow-hotplug wlan0" before "auto wlan0"
[22:26] <Gadgetoid> ali1234: thanks for pointing it out!
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[22:27] <pinewb> simoneb: ok, changed mine and rebooting
[22:28] <pinewb> simoneb: nuts
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[22:28] <simoneb> nothing?
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[22:28] <pinewb> no, exactly the same
[22:29] <simoneb> meh... I don't know... maybe "ifconfig wlan0 dhcp" can show some error?
[22:30] <pinewb> simoneb: just says host name lookup failure
[22:30] <ali1234> Gadgetoid: i think you should also say on big letters on the page: "NOTE: does not come with female GPIO header so you can't use this with any other HAT, you have to permanently solder it together"
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[22:31] <Gadgetoid> ali1234: Oooh, the project kit?
[22:31] <ali1234> yes
[22:31] <Gadgetoid> Also a fair point, I'll mention that
[22:31] <ali1234> i mean i assume that's the case based on the picture. that's what i didn't notice until after ordering
[22:31] <Gadgetoid> I'd think it includes one actually, since the hats are always packed with one
[22:31] <pinewb> simoneb: just says host name lookup failure
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[22:32] <ali1234> see that's the type of info that should be on the page :)
[22:32] <Gadgetoid> ali1234: easy for you to say, you haven't spent the whole day packing Pi Zeros into jiffy bags :P
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[22:33] <Gadgetoid> The papercuts man, the paper cuts, I'm supposed to be pretending to be an engineer damnit!
[22:33] <simoneb> pinewb: ... sorry. I don't know. maybe someone with more debian-specific knowledge can help
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[22:33] <simoneb> ah no wait
[22:33] <simoneb> where did you specify the ssid and password?
[22:33] <simoneb> it isn't there in the pastebin
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[22:35] <pinewb> simoneb: it was in the wpa_supplicant file
[22:35] <simoneb> I didn't use that, I specified them in /etc/network/interfaces
[22:35] <pinewb> so how did yours look?
[22:36] <simoneb> just after all that stuff, two lines wpa-ssid "<ssid here>" and wpa-psk "<password here>"
[22:36] <pinewb> simoneb: will give it a go
[22:36] <ali1234> Gadgetoid: i had to pack elf kits today... don't ask
[22:37] <Gadgetoid> ali1234: good for your elf?
[22:37] <ali1234> no more elf puns please
[22:37] <Gadgetoid> Why would you tell me not to ask, WHY, now I have to know!
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[22:37] <Gadgetoid> Sorry, couldn't elf it
[22:37] <t3chguy> Gadgetoid: wait, the starter kit DOESN'T include the Shim? I'm sure it did when I bought it at 12:00:47 today
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[22:37] <ali1234> t3chguy: we're talking about the scroll hat kit, different thing
[22:37] <t3chguy> aah
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[22:38] <Gadgetoid> Don't you start, I'll have to update all the shop pages :P
[22:38] <Gadgetoid> Stop makig me work, I'm trying to work!
[22:39] <ali1234> Gadgetoid: my mother runs a sewing workshop, and they're making christmas elves
[22:39] <ali1234> and so i got volunteered to cut out all the pieces of fabric and pack them into packs
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[22:41] <Gadgetoid> ali1234: ookay you win!
[22:41] <ali1234> speaking of i need to go and do some more
[22:41] <Gadgetoid> Hahaha, I need to get Drum HAT library finished! Finding some drum samples... need more cowbell
[22:43] <t3chguy> Weird, I'm sure it said more than "save £2 with this bundle" when I bought the Starter Kit
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[22:43] <t3chguy> also Gadgetoid, that included the Shim at the time of Purchase, will my order include that or?
[22:44] <Gadgetoid> Who, when, where?
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[22:44] <t3chguy> also, found a discrepancy
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[22:44] <t3chguy> https://shop.pimoroni.com/products/pi-zero-complete-starter-kit says save £4
[22:44] <t3chguy> but the Zero page links to that saying save £2
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[22:45] <t3chguy> Gadgetoid: when I bought the starter kit at 12:00:47ish today, (as soon as possible) it included the Shim which seems to no longer be included in the Starter Kit, will my order include this?
[22:46] <Gadgetoid> t3chguy: it's not included, it was included by accident- it doesn't make sense alongside the adapter cable and also we don't have any left in stock
[22:46] <t3chguy> I feel somewhat cheated
[22:46] <t3chguy> I removed it from my basket because it was included
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[22:53] <pinewb> simoneb: still no joy
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[22:55] <simoneb> is wpa supplicant still configured? maybe it should be unconfigured to use only the other settings. but this is a shot in the dark... maybe somebody else can help
[22:56] <pinewb> simoneb: ok no worries, thanks for all the help
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[22:57] <pigrit> so, this pi zero - basically the pi's version of arduino mini ?
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[22:57] <NedScott> hmmm, people like to make bar-top arcade "cabinets"/cases
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[22:58] <pigrit> seeing the picture, maybe not that much after all
[22:58] <Twist> pigrit: it's still not a microcontroller
[22:58] <NedScott> I wonder if anyone has made one that is basically a Pi laptop, but with arcade controls
[22:58] <Hectate> later
[22:58] <pigrit> of course
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[22:58] <pigrit> but now that I see the photo, it's not
[22:58] <Twist> I think it just brings the price down for places where you need to outfit a large group of students.
[22:59] <pigrit> I've got an arduino that's basically just the gpio holes on the sides :D
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[22:59] <NedScott> I think the Zero is two birds with one stone. One is lower price, the other is a small-as-crap Pi for the hobbyists
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[23:00] <NedScott> they probably saw how popular the A+ was since it was slightly smaller, and all the people who were still removing headers and ports
[23:00] <OsciX> NedScott: I agree
[23:00] <python476> are pi zeros back in stock now ?
[23:00] <exobuzz> pizero is great for homemade handhelds etc
[23:00] <OsciX> python476: I have two
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[23:00] <OsciX> I'm thinking of selling one
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[23:01] <t3chguy> python476: you missed out, it was in stock a few hours ago
[23:01] <pigrit> is it 512mb or 1gb ?
[23:01] <t3chguy> the only ones in stock in the UK are in bundles
[23:01] <OsciX> (Don't need two zeros, plus I can probably get a massive markup on eBay)
[23:01] <exobuzz> 512mb afaik
[23:01] <t3chguy> or on eBay for 20 times the price
[23:01] <t3chguy> it is 512MB
[23:01] <OsciX> ^
[23:01] <t3chguy> I just realised, I could sell mine and make profit, and just patiently wait until they're back in general stock
[23:01] <OsciX> RAM? Yes, it has 512MB ram
[23:01] <OsciX> POP
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[23:02] <OsciX> t3chguy: I won a starter kit on adafruit's release giveaway
[23:02] <OsciX> Right after I bought one
[23:02] <t3chguy> OsciX: Nice!!
[23:02] <t3chguy> Pimoroni love me or something and gave me £159 free money. Some of that went towards the Zero x
[23:02] <t3chguy> xD *
[23:03] <t3chguy> P.S. they're brilliant
[23:03] <OsciX> Ik
[23:03] <OsciX> MCM and ServoCity gave me free parts to build a pi robot
[23:03] <t3chguy> nice!
[23:03] <OsciX> Yep
[23:04] <pigrit> does it come with poisonous darts
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[23:04] <OsciX> No, poisonous darts are an add on and require an adapter
[23:04] <t3chguy> weird
[23:04] <Gadgetoid> Money... OF PAIN
[23:05] <OsciX> It's a camera bot
[23:05] <t3chguy> all the poisonous darts I've ever owned were universal and seemed to attach themselves to all
[23:05] <pigrit> I swear I'm going to make a wandering taser someday
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[23:05] <OsciX> Pan, tilt, network streaming, the whole business
[23:05] <pigrit> and just let it go in the street
[23:05] <pigrit> see what happens
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[23:06] <OsciX> Say, does anyone else here do any other electronics besides Pi?
[23:06] <t3chguy> Arduino
[23:06] <t3chguy> PIC
[23:06] <OsciX> t3chguy: nice
[23:06] <t3chguy> and Discrete EE
[23:06] <pigrit> if you had to pick ONE item of advice to give to someone about to solder their first headers, what would it be
[23:06] <t3chguy> pigrit: get your temp right
[23:07] <pigrit> I tell a lie, I tried soldering once about 20 years ago
[23:07] <t3chguy> too high temp and you might damage the pads
[23:07] <pigrit> it was a blob about as big as a fist
[23:07] <pigrit> the device didn't work, god knows why
[23:07] <OsciX> t3chguy: I am in 9th grade and have been learning about EE ever since I walked into RadioShack and paid $20 for a mains soldering irons
[23:07] <t3chguy> and basically take your time, heat up the pad for a few seconds, then grab the solder while pad is still getting hotter and push into pad until it spreads, try not to get too much solder onto it
[23:07] <t3chguy> nice OsciX
[23:07] <OsciX> (3-4 yrs ago)
[23:08] <OsciX> Gtg
[23:08] <pigrit> which bit would the pads be
[23:08] <t3chguy> OsciX: what age does 9th grade equate to, I reside in britain so the grades ain't here
[23:08] <t3chguy> pigrit: the pads are the metal contacts around the holes on the PCB itself
[23:08] <pigrit> oo got ya
[23:09] <t3chguy> if you have any flux available, would be useful
[23:09] <t3chguy> some pin headers don't like solder without flux
[23:09] <pigrit> errr
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[23:09] <pigrit> ??
[23:09] <t3chguy> most solder has some rosin or flux inside it
[23:09] <pigrit> oo
[23:09] <t3chguy> more flux is always good though, for next time
[23:09] <t3chguy> though messy
[23:09] <pigrit> I would really have no clue about that, I just have a bundle of tin
[23:09] <pigrit> it is tin isn't it ?
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[23:09] <pigrit> the soldering wire
[23:10] <t3chguy> depends on the alloy you purchased
[23:10] <t3chguy> they vary a lot in mixture but in functionality not so muich
[23:10] <t3chguy> much*
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[23:10] <pigrit> these pins and pads are really tiny yanno
[23:10] <t3chguy> pigrit: start at one corner, holding it with your hand/third hand kit thing
[23:10] <t3chguy> .1"/2.54mm?
[23:10] <t3chguy> I've soldered 1mm pitch before :P
[23:10] <t3chguy> comfortably
[23:10] <pigrit> I haven't dared yet because I also have a ton of flu, I'm afraid right now I'd solder my fingers to it
[23:10] <t3chguy> xD
[23:11] <t3chguy> basically, the trick is
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[23:11] <t3chguy> get one corner held
[23:11] <t3chguy> then the opposite corner
[23:11] <pigrit> well what I'm doing is solder the header to a 1602 lcd
[23:11] <t3chguy> then it shouldn't move
[23:11] <t3chguy> ah, 16 pins, right?
[23:11] <pigrit> yup
[23:11] <t3chguy> well do pin 16/1 first
[23:11] <t3chguy> then the other
[23:11] <pigrit> and I've got one of those lenses with the 2 pincer arms
[23:11] <t3chguy> don't focus on clean joints on those
[23:11] <t3chguy> then do 2-15, as cleanly as possible
[23:12] <t3chguy> then redo 1,16
[23:12] <pigrit> so I've got the little hands holding the pieces together, if that helps
[23:12] <pigrit> I assume it's very delicate work, I've seen iron man
[23:12] <pigrit> "redo 1 and 16" ?
[23:12] <pigrit> why
[23:12] <t3chguy> if they're not clean
[23:12] <pigrit> is it like tuning floyd rose bridged guitars ?
[23:13] <pigrit> 6, 6-5, 6-5-4, 6-5-4-3 and so on
[23:13] <t3chguy> I tend to do pin 1, but it won't be a nice joint, just to hold the pins in place, then 16 for the same reason
[23:13] <t3chguy> just to make sure the pins are all straight etc
[23:13] <pigrit> the hardest thing would be not soldering 2 pads together I would guess
[23:13] <t3chguy> if that happens
[23:14] <pigrit> they're so tiiiiiiiny
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[23:14] <t3chguy> clean your iron, sponge or metal brush
[23:14] <t3chguy> and then run it between the pads
[23:14] <OsciX> Sorry disconnect
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[23:14] <OsciX> I'm 15 y/o
[23:14] <pigrit> yeah, if I intercourse up I just smelt the excess right ?
[23:14] <t3chguy> the solder mask shoul work
[23:14] <t3chguy> should*
[23:14] <pigrit> lucky bastard
[23:14] <pigrit> hold onto that 0sciX
[23:14] <t3chguy> OsciX: do as much as you can as early as you can, I started at around that age
[23:14] <t3chguy> wait that makes me sound old
[23:14] <t3chguy> it was only 3 years ago xD
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[23:15] <pigrit> which bit is the solder mask
[23:15] <OsciX> pigrit: Yeah. Right now I'm hitting the upper limit of what I can do w/o advanced math
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[23:15] <t3chguy> pigrit: the solder mask is everything thats not an uncovered pad
[23:15] <OsciX> Or so I think
[23:15] <t3chguy> i.e most likely the green bit
[23:15] <pigrit> so the green "card"
[23:15] <t3chguy> essentially, yeah
[23:15] <ali1234> Gadgetoid: i might be able to help you with drum samples
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[23:15] <t3chguy> solder won't adhere to it, so running the iron between the pins should split the solder back into two blobs
[23:16] <OsciX> My engineering teacher gave me two file boxes of Nuts And Volts, electronics books, and an MSp430
[23:16] <pigrit> I wish I hadn't picked classical studies
[23:16] <pigrit> electronics is alot more fun than greek
[23:17] <t3chguy> lol
[23:17] <t3chguy> Electronics at my college is somewhat boring
[23:17] <pigrit> on the other hand, for some reason around here, technical schools attract the dumbest people who don't want to go to "proper" school
[23:17] <OsciX> Which college
[23:17] <pigrit> as opposed to the enthusiast engineers of tomorrow
[23:17] <t3chguy> Blackpool Sixth Form, 16-18, Brits call these things Colleges
[23:18] <OsciX> I go to a magnet HS. Basically heavy focus on STEM
[23:18] <t3chguy> and the thing that Americans call College we call University
[23:18] <Gadgetoid> ali1234: I've been collating a bunch from freesound, they're not ideal but work, now looking for a whistle, haha
[23:18] <pigrit> and what the brits call college, we call superior high school
[23:18] <t3chguy> purrty much
[23:18] <Gadgetoid> Okay, found the wrong kind of whistle
[23:18] <OsciX> We have a nice fab/elec lab I can use during lunch
[23:19] <pigrit> sweet
[23:19] <pigrit> when I went to school computers were just starting to appear
[23:19] <pigrit> 486 era
[23:20] <pigrit> Gadgetoid dude, are you making a drum machine
[23:20] <pigrit> I can export sounds from FL Studio if u like
[23:20] <Gadgetoid> pigrit: just working on code examples for Drum HAT
[23:20] <OsciX> 400k worth of scopes, 3D printers, and LAZOR CUTTERS
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[23:20] <pigrit> I don't know what HAT means
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[23:20] <pigrit> oho 3d printers
[23:20] <t3chguy> pigrit: Hardware Attached on Top
[23:20] <OsciX> Pi expansion board
[23:20] <pigrit> I guess it's fun to go to school today
[23:21] <t3chguy> Pi Expansion with EEPROM which lets the Pi know more about whats sitting on it
[23:21] <Gadgetoid> pigrit: it's a board which sits atop a Raspberry Pi
[23:21] <pigrit> is Drum HAT a name or a description then
[23:22] <Gadgetoid> Man, whistle samples are strangely absent from Freesound
[23:22] <pigrit> you definitely looked like you're looking for drums samples
[23:22] <OsciX> pigrit: magnet school means you have to apply
[23:22] <ali1234> i've never seen a whistle on a drum kit
[23:22] <OsciX> But I got in so its cool
[23:22] <t3chguy> pigrit: Name, its an RPi HAT which lets it be used as a Drum
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[23:22] <Gadgetoid> pigrit: it's both a name, and in part a description- https://www.instagram.com/p/_RHOukii5T/
[23:23] <Gadgetoid> Gotta have a whistle!
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[23:23] <ali1234> gotta have a whistle because you've already put it on the silkscreen? ;)
[23:23] <pigrit> but you got to provide your own sounds ? harsh
[23:23] <t3chguy> Gadgetoid: looks really neat
[23:23] <Gadgetoid> No, gotta have a whistle because WHISTLE!
[23:23] <Gadgetoid> It's a staple of drum cheese
[23:24] <pigrit> why don't you record whistling yourself
[23:24] <t3chguy> haha
[23:25] <Gadgetoid> :D
[23:26] <pigrit> any chance that while I was looking elsewhere for the last 6 months, there was some magical leaping advance in speech recognition and vocal commands for the pi ?
[23:26] <Gadgetoid> I've got a the kit, but it's not the right whisle! Do you even Trance?
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[23:26] <pigrit> no, worst I've done is house
[23:26] <Gadgetoid> Okay, close enough though!
[23:27] <pigrit> here - https://soundcloud.com/neogrit/ass-you-a-few-questions
[23:27] <Gadgetoid> Ah the classic Linux game of "how many times will I manually run dhclient until I bother to change my interfaces file"
[23:28] <Twist> Gadgetoid: heh.. that's pretty much any service.
[23:28] <Gadgetoid> pigrit: listening :D
[23:28] <Twist> "Well, it's not like I'm going to reboot this month.."
[23:28] <pigrit> check War Games after :D
[23:29] <pigrit> Twist ikr
[23:29] <Gadgetoid> Twist: true, that, although this Pi gets moved around a lot
[23:29] <Twist> I'm so bad about that on servers
[23:29] <Twist> I've got a dropbox session still running in tmux from 6 months ago
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[23:30] <ali1234> Gadgetoid: so i was gonna say... i am one of the founders of drumoff.tv and we have a large amount of drum recordings... but out of 24 tracks i don't think anyone used a whistle
[23:31] <pigrit> https://soundcloud.com/neogrit/sets/house-not-the-md there, the full EP
[23:31] <Gadgetoid> ali1234: Oh sweet!
[23:31] <pigrit> we talking of a frilly whistle here or what
[23:31] <pigrit> e.g. start of Paradise City
[23:32] <Gadgetoid> A sports whistle, one of those plastic ones with the little ball in it
[23:32] <pigrit> and/or samba
[23:32] <pigrit> yep
[23:32] <Gadgetoid> Yeah, samba, that's the one
[23:32] <Gadgetoid> You can't have drums without a whisle, it's... it's just not right
[23:32] <pigrit> I hope you have got the cowbell covered already
[23:33] <Gadgetoid> Got cowbell, edited down a shoddy whistle
[23:33] <pigrit> I'll check if I got a whistle in flstudio
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[23:34] <pigrit> after I make coffee, give us a mo
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[23:36] <S_J> is it hard to program the GPU? any good tutorials?
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[23:36] <ali1234> yeah it's pretty hard to program it directly
[23:36] <ali1234> using a higher level API is easier but still tough
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[23:39] <Gadgetoid> Darnit, need a 3.5mm audio cable
[23:39] <Gadgetoid> TO THE STASH!
[23:39] <Gadgetoid> ( no, not the mustache )
[23:41] <Gadgetoid> Don't suppose anyone has a screen for a VGN-P11Z just ... lying about?
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[23:53] <pigrit> bum
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[23:54] <pigrit> I was positive I had a whistle in the ethnic section but I don't
[23:56] <Gadgetoid> The patterns displayed by a rebooting Pi LCD are almost horror-film level abstract
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[23:56] <Gadgetoid> Half expect it to start flashing up "we suffer" and "poison the well"
[23:57] <pigrit> I LIVE IN YOUR EYES
[23:57] <pigrit> what ?^
[23:57] <pigrit> anyway
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[23:59] <ali1234> Gadgetoid: the BBC sound effects library might have something... you can get sections from around £5

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