#raspberrypi IRC Log


IRC Log for 2015-12-17

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[0:10] <treaki> hi
[0:10] <treaki> i would like to aktivite wifi on my pi running raspian
[0:10] <treaki> following https://www.raspberrypi.org/documentation/configuration/wireless/wireless-cli.md
[0:10] <treaki> but
[0:10] <treaki> # sudo iwlist wlan0 scan
[0:10] <treaki> sudo: iwlist: command not found
[0:11] <treaki> which packages do i have to install for wifi support
[0:11] <treaki> (this pi has been set up using raspian installer)
[0:11] <treaki> guess that resolted in an mor minimal setup then the default images...
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[0:14] <Berg> ifconfig
[0:14] <Berg> should show hardware
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[0:24] <treaki> ifconfig dosnt show wifi hw
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[0:24] <treaki> but with lsusb it is visible
[0:24] <treaki> lookes like i have to install a driver but how can i do that?
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[0:28] <pksato> install driver on linux is not a simple task. Normally all device drivers, or modules, come with kernel.
[0:28] <pksato> that wifi adapter you have? line of lsusb.
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[0:35] <shibu1024> hi
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[0:37] <shibu1024> hi
[0:38] <[Saint]> Are you saying hi, or laughing with a ~120s latency?
[0:38] <shibu1024> saying 'hi'
[0:38] <shibu1024> is it so delayed?
[0:39] <shibu1024> oh :
[0:39] <shibu1024> :)
[0:39] <[Saint]> :)
[0:39] <shibu1024> now laughing.. hi hi
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[0:41] <shibu1024> i see so many people in the channel, but no discussions. are they all in private chats?
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[0:42] <[Saint]> bad timing I guess.
[0:42] <shibu1024> ok
[0:43] <[Saint]> perhaps you scared them all off. ;)
[0:43] <[Saint]> looking in my logs there's several sporadic discussions matters of minutes before you joined.
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[1:24] <Berg> we here just using esp
[1:24] <Berg> its faster then irc lag
[1:25] <Berg> if you wear tin foil hat you miss a lot of topics
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[1:34] <riskable> No way! The tinfoil hat provides better reception
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[1:39] <[Saint]> Hilariously, largely only in bands reserved for government agencies.
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[2:03] <SirLagz> [Saint]: g'day
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[2:05] <PiGuy> Hello
[2:05] <PiGuy> How can I set it up so my GPIO touch screen and my HDMI monitor have the same output display on my Raspberry Pi?
[2:06] <PiGuy> My Touch Screen is connected to the GPIO and the HDMIdisplay is connected to the HDMI port.
[2:06] <PiGuy> I am using notro's fbtft drivers.
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[2:10] <pksato> again? fbcp?
[2:10] <PiGuy> This persion is trying to do what I would like to do: https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=44&t=91764
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[2:24] <Kamilion> PiGuy: Did you even finish reading the thread you linked to get to the youtube video at the end? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d2ouG1VmD88
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[2:25] <PiGuy> Kamilion: I am reading while I also wait for a reply in here :)
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[2:29] <PiGuy> Kamilion: last question after that video would be: How do I make a duplicate display of the EaveShare 3.5 inch touch screen to the HDMI?
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[2:31] <Kamilion> beats me. xrandr?
[2:31] <Kamilion> I just use x2go. *shrug*
[2:32] <Kamilion> https://youtu.be/d2ouG1VmD88?t=1554 <--- like that, I'm assuming.
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[2:33] <Kamilion> I didn't watch the whole thing, I'm watching another video on python.
[2:33] <Kamilion> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OSGv2VnC0go <--- too busy learning pretty code
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[2:34] <lazerorca_> hi. I just bought a RPi2 Model B and set it up with OpenOLEC. After about 5 seconds of streaming video online... the video plays at about 1 fps and no audio. It appears as if the hardware is bogged down
[2:35] <lazerorca_> I have OC'd it and set GPU mem to 256
[2:35] <Kamilion> what's the bitrate of the video, and are you streaming it over wifi or ethernet?
[2:35] <lazerorca_> doesn't seem to help much
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[2:35] <Kamilion> G-spot will determine a lot of information about video, but I don't know if it can deal with streams.
[2:36] <PiGuy> Kamilion: Cool thanks :)
[2:36] <lazerorca_> ethernet... it's not buffering... video plays just really cruddy. as for bitrate, I'm not sure
[2:36] <Kamilion> http://www.headbands.com/gspot/
[2:37] <Kamilion> there's probably something similar in linux wrapped around ffmpeg or gstreamer.
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[2:38] <Kamilion> something like six hundred and fifty thousand combinations of codecs and compression options are available in the PC/AV space. (scary, that.)
[2:38] <Kamilion> http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/standards.png
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[2:40] <Kamilion> everything from motionjpeg to sorenson video can be stuffed inside any .avi, .mp4, .mov, .mkv, or .ogv you see.
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[2:40] <Kamilion> As such, debugging video playback issues can get rough real quick :<
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[2:42] <PiGuy> Hello does anyone know the max current rating of this battery? http://www.miniinthebox.com/focus-power-4-2v-10000mah-18650-rechargeable-lithium-ion-battery-1pcs_p3127624.html?currency=USD&litb_from=paid_adwords_shopping&litb_from=&adword_mt=&adword_ct=75415947282&adword_kw=&adword_pos=1o10&adword_pl=&adword_net=g&adword_tar=&adw_src_id=4196617767_325111122_22935469482_pla-145554309162&gclid=CjwKEAiAkb-zBRC2upezwuyguQ4SJADZG08vLHw3
[2:42] <Kamilion> PiGuy: 1C
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[2:43] <Kamilion> also, just so you know
[2:43] <Kamilion> I have a roll of that exact battery's shrinkwrap.
[2:44] <PiGuy> Kamilion: Thanks,Is that higher than 1 amp? I need to use it with this: https://www.adafruit.com/products/2465
[2:44] <Kamilion> http://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/Best-price-18650-li-ion-battery_60190112277.html
[2:44] <Kamilion> there's the shrink wrap labels on that battery.
[2:45] <PiGuy> Kamilion: Wow what a coincidence! I'm talking to the right person then :)
[2:45] <Kamilion> you can have them print whatever number you want on it, try 23872mAh
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[2:46] <Kamilion> Pretty amazing though... and I thought my 26650 5000mAh cells were the best I could possibly find.
[2:46] <lazerorca_> so any streaming app I try to play video on, I get this same issue which leads me to believe that there is something up with my configurations or settings or this things just isn't capable of running OpenOLEC
[2:46] <Kamilion> somehow you've found cells that are half the size, AND twice the capacity!
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[2:47] <PiGuy> Trust me it wasn't easy :-)
[2:47] <Kamilion> lazerorca_: I've had my pi2 running openelec for a while, plays just about any .mkv I throw at it, even into bluray 22mbit ranges
[2:47] <PiGuy> Kamilion: Do you think that would work with this https://www.adafruit.com/products/2465
[2:47] <PiGuy> ?
[2:48] <lazerorca_> Kamilion: I wonder what is up
[2:48] <Kamilion> Well, sure, until you discover that you have been swindled and your batteries have a nominal capacity of 2300mAh each instead of 10000mAh
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[2:49] <Kamilion> but sure, it'll work with that buckboost.
[2:49] <PiGuy> Kamilion: Bummer :(
[2:49] <Kamilion> http://www.batteryspace.com/linimnco-26650-rechargeable-cell-3-6v-5ah-18wh-15a-rated---un38-3-passed--.aspx
[2:50] <PiGuy> Kamilion: It says it outputs 1 amp to the battery or something like that. I dont't want it to explode
[2:50] <PiGuy> thanks
[2:50] <Kamilion> So far as I know, it's not currently possible to exceed this energy density.
[2:50] <Kamilion> PiGuy: no sir. It draws up to 1 amp at 5V from the batteries connected.
[2:51] <lazerorca_> would uninstalling it and reinstalling it be of any help?
[2:51] <PiGuy> So it won't explode?
[2:51] <Kamilion> which means it should be drawing approximately double that from the battery to boost the voltage from 3.7 volts nominal to 5.2 volts.
[2:52] <lazerorca_> would have too many repositories affect anything?
[2:53] <Kamilion> PiGuy: there's no risk of it exploding, that's a buck boost topology. Worse case is the polyfuse would blow, IF that part directly below the TPS61090 is indeed a polyfuse.
[2:53] <Kamilion> lazerorca_: Not sure, I'm still running an older version.
[2:53] <Kamilion> PiGuy: the description says it will draw up to 1.8 amps from the battery.
[2:54] <Kamilion> the lipoly charger says it can recharge the battery at 1 amp, from a suitable 2amp wallwart.
[2:55] <Kamilion> So you can either put 5V in at 2AMP which will charge battery at 4.2V/1AMP, or take 5V out at 1 amp (which will draw 3.7V@1.8A)
[2:56] <Kamilion> that's on the extremely expensive side too
[2:56] <PiGuy> Kamilion: But can the battery take more than 1 amp hour? Or would I be over charging it
[2:56] <Kamilion> what?
[2:56] <Kamilion> one amp hour... uhm, sec.
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[2:57] <Kamilion> I'm sorry, I can't do the math because those batteries are so poorly over-rated.
[2:57] <[Saint]> Overcharging is pretty much impossible on modern cells.
[2:57] <Giddles> hey ho, anyone who may got an idea how i can connect to my router? :/ isnt reachable... maybe someone got a tip for me
[2:57] <Giddles> i flashed it with openwrt
[2:57] <[Saint]> the cell will (should) handle its charge control itself.
[2:58] <Kamilion> [Saint]: he posted a link to some chinese fakes rating themselves at nominal 4.2V 10000Ah
[2:58] <[Saint]> Kamilion: ahhhhh.
[2:58] <[Saint]> right - yeah, nope.
[2:58] <[Saint]> lol
[2:58] <Kamilion> my amusement level was very high -- especally since I have some of the same fake shrink wrap I bought from china!
[2:58] <PiGuy> Kamilion: I am wondering about whether or not I am in the safe zone for charging the battery with the adafruit circuit. I will use these 2000maH eneloop li-ion rechargabl batteries instead. Could I put them together to get 8000maH and still use the circuit/ or whould I ned t tep down the voltage before I send it to the adafruit circuit
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[2:59] <Kamilion> yes, the adafruit circuit is completely safe and will never overvoltage the battery nor will it overcharge it, since it's a multistage smart lithium polymer charger chip.
[2:59] <[Saint]> I will flatly refuse to buy any cells I can not physically inspect or test before doing so.
[2:59] <[Saint]> but, that's me.
[2:59] <Kamilion> http://www.miniinthebox.com/focus-power-4-2v-10000mah-18650-rechargeable-lithium-ion-battery-1pcs_p3127624.html?currency=USD&litb_from=paid_adwords_shopping&litb_from=&adword_mt=&adword_ct=75415947282&adword_kw=&adword_pos=1o10&adword_pl=&adword_net=g&adword_tar=&adw_src_id=4196617767_325111122_22935469482_pla-145554309162&gclid=CjwKEAiAkb-zBRC2upezwuyguQ4SJADZG08vLHw3
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[2:59] <Kamilion> these things are bunk though
[2:59] <Kamilion> super fake
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[2:59] <[Saint]> not worth killing yourself, or someone else, for a few bucks savings.
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[3:00] <[Saint]> these things are death traps.
[3:00] <Kamilion> no possible way to stick 10 amp hours in a 18650.
[3:00] <Kamilion> http://www.batteryspace.com/linimnco-26650-rechargeable-cell-3-6v-5ah-18wh-15a-rated---un38-3-passed--.aspx <--- this is about as good as you're going to get with current fabrication.
[3:00] <[Saint]> quantum batteries. lol
[3:00] <Kamilion> that's a 26650, 3.6V, 5Ah cell.
[3:01] <Kamilion> and quite cheap at $11/ea in qty1!
[3:01] <uriah> zero point module is what i need
[3:01] <Kamilion> you REALLY want a 10 amp hour lithium cylinrical cell?
[3:01] <Kamilion> here ya go.
[3:01] <Kamilion> http://www.batteryspace.com/lifepo4-42120e-m-size-cell-3-2v-10-ah-50a-rate-32wh-3-0---un-38-3-passed.aspx
[3:01] <[Saint]> These fake cells scare the crap out of me.
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[3:02] <Kamilion> energy density: 82.05 wh/kg
[3:02] <[Saint]> People seem to forget that they're basically a small explosive device.
[3:02] <PiGuy> Kamilion: Could I put 2 of those together or would I need to step the voltage down below 5v then sen to the adafruit circuit?
[3:02] <Kamilion> Why not just connect them in parallel to double the capacity instead of in series to double the voltage?
[3:03] <PiGuy> Kamilion: I will put them in parallel :)
[3:03] <PiGuy> So 4 eneloop 2000mAh batteryes together
[3:04] <PiGuy> *batteries
[3:04] <[Saint]> then the prior question is moot, no?
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[3:05] <[Saint]> Apparently I'm in the wrong market.
[3:06] <[Saint]> Something something, buy cheap-ass cells, print ridiculous numbers on them, something something, profit.
[3:06] <PiGuy> <[Saint]>: What do you mean by moot?
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[3:06] <PiGuy> Te eneloop ones are form panasonic
[3:06] <PiGuy> *The
[3:07] <PiGuy> *from
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[3:07] <[Saint]> moot (adj.):
[3:07] <Kamilion> if you use nickel metal hydride batteries, why do you need a lithium cell buck boost board?
[3:07] <[Saint]> having little or no practical relevance.
[3:07] <[Saint]> "the whole matter is becoming increasingly moot"
[3:08] <Kamilion> why don't you just directly connect the NiMH eneloop batteries to a simple 5V regulator?
[3:08] <[Saint]> In other words: If you're connecting in parallel, why on earth are you worried about the voltage increasing?"
[3:08] <PiGuy> I like the one you send earlier but it's a little too expensive :(
[3:08] <Kamilion> i'd just grab one of the amazon or anker powerbanks off amazon for $25.
[3:08] <Kamilion> http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00LRK8JDC/
[3:09] <[Saint]> bonus points if its charge circuitry supports feed and draw.
[3:09] <[Saint]> (which most do)
[3:09] <Kamilion> i know of two that do
[3:09] <Kamilion> most do not
[3:09] <PiGuy> Kamilion: It has to be around the size of a raspberry pi
[3:10] <[Saint]> Kamilion: hmmm, perhaps I've just been lucky - I think I only have one out of several dozen that doesn't.
[3:10] <[Saint]> observational bias on my part I guess.
[3:11] <SirLagz> [Saint]: powerbanks that charge and can be charged at the same time?
[3:11] <[Saint]> SirLagz: in my experience, most can, yeah - but it seems that might be an accidental observational bias.
[3:12] <SirLagz> [Saint]: well both of mine can do both at the same time if that helps lol
[3:12] <Kamilion> http://www.amazon.com/External-UPGRADED-Aluminum-Limefuel-Motorola/dp/B00ZDQFT6Q
[3:12] <Kamilion> this one alludes to doing pass through charge
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[3:12] <SirLagz> I want one of these --> https://zazz.com.au/daily/thingy/13879
[3:12] <Kamilion> a lot of the good quality ones like Ankers refuse to pass through while charging.
[3:12] <Kamilion> http://www.amazon.com/Zendure-2nd-Portable-Charger-10000mAh/dp/B014RBEAQC
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[3:12] <Kamilion> This one says it does "charge-through".
[3:13] <Jonno_FTW> hi, the SD card in my pi is 32GB but only formatted with 4GB of space, what's the easiest way to make it a 32gb partition without loosing any data?
[3:13] <SirLagz> Jonno_FTW: resize partition with soemthing like gparted
[3:13] <Kamilion> Jonno_FTW: resize2fs /dev/sda3
[3:13] <Kamilion> or whatever the partition ID is
[3:13] <SirLagz> Kamilion: that's not going to work if the partition is not expanded first
[3:14] <Kamilion> SirLagz: seems to work on my VMs without a problem
[3:14] <Jonno_FTW> but everything is installed on the sd card, does this mean I have to boot from a usb?
[3:14] <Kamilion> though that may be because it's not a partitioned image.
[3:14] <SirLagz> Jonno_FTW: you can do it live from the Pi
[3:14] <Jonno_FTW> even if the os is running on the sd card?
[3:14] <Kamilion> Jonno_FTW: resize2fs can be done online to expand; but not to shrink (I think)
[3:14] <Jonno_FTW> cool
[3:14] <SirLagz> Jonno_FTW: yes, resizing bigger is fine, resizing smaller needs to be done offline
[3:15] <Kamilion> Jonno_FTW: probably a lot easier if you stuck the SD in a linux PC and ran gparted on it to click through resizing it easy
[3:15] <Kamilion> i'm lazy like that myself.
[3:16] <SirLagz> rpi-config had a online resizer tool built in
[3:16] <SirLagz> rpi-config? raspi-config ? I forget
[3:16] <SirLagz> Jonno_FTW: if you have the pi config tool, that'll do it for you
[3:16] <Kamilion> bmap-tools might be able to expand
[3:16] <Kamilion> i havn't played with it.
[3:16] <SirLagz> Jonno_FTW: raspi-config
[3:16] <SirLagz> Jonno_FTW: https://www.raspberrypi.org/documentation/configuration/raspi-config.md
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[3:17] <Kamilion> PiGuy: maybe this might be up your alley. https://shop.pimoroni.com/products/mopi-mobile-pi-power
[3:18] <Kamilion> it will take any voltage from 6.2V to 20V.
[3:18] <Kamilion> and yes, it will take it right from a car battery
[3:18] <Kamilion> if you're gonna waste a bunch of money on a power converter board -- it better be a good one! :D
[3:19] <Kamilion> https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0174/1800/products/schematic6_1024x1024.png?v=1408715955 <--- this should be easy enough to understand, PiGuy.
[3:19] <Kamilion> it can switch between two battery packs on the fly, too.
[3:19] <Jonno_FTW> SirLagz: thanks, that was pretty easy
[3:19] <Kamilion> "multiple inputs — standard batteries, car power sockets, old laptop supplies, solar panels, and more... all attachable via standard screw terminals"
[3:20] <PiGuy> Kamilion: Thanks Kamilion, I will go look at it :
[3:20] <PiGuy> )
[3:20] <SirLagz> Jonno_FTW: no problems
[3:20] <Kamilion> PiGuy: you can DEFINITELY use eneloops with that.
[3:20] <Kamilion> or any other kind of battery (it does not charge, but you can hook up two battery packs and remove one to charge it while running from the other.
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[3:21] <Kamilion> PiGuy: that should be able to take AA battery packs of eneloops up to about 14 or 15 cells
[3:22] <Kamilion> if you really need huge long runtimes. hehe
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[3:22] <PiGuy> Kamilion: Thanks, everything looks good except it doesn't have a charger :)
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[3:22] <PiGuy> *:p
[3:23] <PiGuy> I am using the GPIO's for a display :(
[3:23] <PiGuy> I could always use a shift register or something but I may be out of space
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[3:24] <Kamilion> PiGuy: depending on your battery pack choice, nothing stops you from connecting a float charger directly to the battery-and-pi.
[3:24] <Kamilion> I routinely do this on my electric scooter.
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[3:25] <Kamilion> I have a 5 amp fast charger that automatically drops to 100mAh when the battery is presumed to be full
[3:26] <Kamilion> PiGuy: okay, instead of trying to play adventures-with-guess-my-use-case, why don't you just describe what it is you're trying to accomplish, and the most direct constraints you have.
[3:26] <Kamilion> which seems to be "I need to run a bunch of LEDs, for a long time, off a battery, and it needs to be charging all the time unless there's no power."
[3:27] <Kamilion> I assume that's what you meant by display and gpios
[3:27] <Kamilion> unless you mean the pitft
[3:27] <Kamilion> either way, that thing's backlight is LED based
[3:27] <Kamilion> so in the end, you're still running LEDs either way. :D
[3:29] <Kamilion> PiGuy: Something like this will charge a single LiPo 3.7V cell. It is microprocessor controlled, so it will shut off when the battery reaches a full point.
[3:29] <Kamilion> http://www.powerstream.com/li-chargers-1-cell-wallmount.htm
[3:29] <Kamilion> If you're wanting to build you own power bank clone
[3:29] <Kamilion> http://www.powerstream.com/n-charger.htm <--- here's the PCB of one.
[3:30] <Kamilion> If you're trying to power a lot of pis at the same time, maybe this would be more helpful.
[3:30] <Kamilion> http://www.powerstream.com/Product3.htm
[3:31] <PiGuy> Kamilion: Oh ok. I nam using a raspberry pi with a screen on the GPIO. I need to be able to run this for preferably 10+ hours (8 minimum) . I say that 1 amp per hour shoudl definately do the trick. I need a battery. It needs to be low profile, no taller than the raspberry pi 2. model b. it also needs to be around less than 2 inches accross and 2 inchess left and right. So around 2 by 2, by 2 or smaller.
[3:32] <PiGuy> I also need it to be close to $10 USDor less.
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[3:32] <Kamilion> Aha. The long life points at the https://shop.pimoroni.com/products/mopi-mobile-pi-power because it has a more efficient 3.3 regulator than the pi's own board does and will increase runtime proportionately.
[3:32] <Kamilion> hah
[3:32] <Kamilion> Pick two: Fast, cheap, powerful
[3:33] <PiGuy> Hmm
[3:33] <Kamilion> can't have all three. And certainly not at that price point, unless you're talking about volume manufacturing of 10,000 unit lots.
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[3:34] <Kamilion> otherwise for small scale of 100 units or less, you're stuck paying prototype qty1 costs like the rest of us.
[3:34] <PiGuy> So the choices are fast charging, cheap price, and powerful battery?
[3:34] <Kamilion> http://www.powerstream.com/liprism.htm
[3:34] <Kamilion> er, sorry
[3:34] <Kamilion> http://www.powerstream.com/li-pol.htm
[3:35] <Kamilion> you basically need to scroll ALL the way down the page to the end
[3:35] <Kamilion> and look at the second to the last cell
[3:35] <Kamilion> $16.05 qty1, $11.07 qty 10k.
[3:35] <Kamilion> that gives you a good metric to see what you save in bulk
[3:36] <Kamilion> and that's only a 4 amphour cell.
[3:36] <Kamilion> but it IS pi sized.
[3:36] <Kamilion> but no protection!
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[3:36] <Kamilion> so, the only way to increase capacity is to move from pouch cells to cylindrical cells, with a corresponding increase in size, and in some cases, cost.
[3:37] <Kamilion> especally if you're trying to meet 3.7v @ 10000mAh
[3:37] <PiGuy> Oh I see
[3:37] <PiGuy> So we are looking at a higher cprice
[3:37] <Kamilion> which could be done in two $10 liminico cells, still with no protection; but you add protection and you're already at $30
[3:37] <Kamilion> two $10 cells and a $4 protection board, and $6 to someone to solder it all together, eh?
[3:38] <Kamilion> or 15 minutes worth of someone who charges $24/hr
[3:38] <PiGuy> Kamilion: I see. I will do the soldering this time :-)
[3:38] <Kamilion> I'm pretty sure I saw a pi enclosure with a built in battery
[3:39] <Kamilion> but it was not large enough to meet your need; plus I think it blocked the GPIO pins.
[3:39] <PiGuy> Kamilion: Hmm
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[3:39] <PiGuy> Kamilion: Maybe I will stick with 8000mah
[3:39] <PiGuy> So I can get the price down.
[3:40] <Kamilion> note: the higher your input voltage; the lower your output current; the longer your cells will last.
[3:40] <PiGuy> Because I am using a $30 touch screen with a $30 raspberry Pi sop it begins to add up in cost
[3:40] <Kamilion> three cells at 11.1 volts will last four times as long as a single cell due to the lower current being drawn from each cell.
[3:40] <PiGuy> *so
[3:40] <PiGuy> Oh that's good info
[3:40] <Kamilion> because the temperature is kept lower, and the internal resistance does not get as high.
[3:41] <Kamilion> you are now dealing with the internal resistance of four batteries; but the voltage tends to overcome that.
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[3:41] <Kamilion> internal resistance tends to rise with temperature
[3:42] <Kamilion> so the cooler you can keep your cells (within reason -- they still have to be somewhat room temperature) the longer they can last you.
[3:42] <Kamilion> And you can also forcibly tell the pi to downclock or gate off some logic elements that are going unused
[3:43] <Kamilion> for example, with a SPI tft display, you're notttttt exactly going to be using videocore4 *laughs*
[3:43] <PiGuy> Maybe I can cut down the mah's. I don't kmind how many mahs' wjhat matters the most is how many hours ofoperationl.
[3:43] <Kamilion> at best you can point the TFT driver at the same region of display memory the GPU is scanning out from
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[3:43] <Kamilion> but the point there is?
[3:43] <Kamilion> shut down the GPU if you're using a TFT SPI display.
[3:44] <Kamilion> save de powerrr.
[3:44] <PiGuy> If I can get 10 hour of operation on a 5000mah battery then that will workl just fine
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[3:44] <Kamilion> buy a good ammeter.
[3:44] <PiGuy> Oh yeah I see what yoyr saving :)
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[3:44] <Kamilion> you cannot measure what you cannot see
[3:44] <PiGuy> I have a ammeter right now
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[3:44] <Kamilion> https://www.adafruit.com/products/882
[3:45] <Kamilion> have a look around for dave jones' uCurrent
[3:45] <Kamilion> I think he's updated it a while back
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[3:45] <Kamilion> this little box acts as a divider
[3:46] <Kamilion> so you can see small currents as much larger spikes in voltage on a multimeter.
[3:46] <Kamilion> it doesn't even matter if you have a crummy multimeter with a precision divider like that
[3:46] <Kamilion> any old multi will work
[3:46] <Kamilion> as long as it does two digits of precision... 12.00 volts, 5.03 volts.. etc.
[3:47] <Kamilion> I have a cheap little Vichy that hasn't failed me yet; and a fluke I occasionally borrow when I need to double check.
[3:48] <Kamilion> http://www.ebay.com/itm/VICHY-VC9802A-DMM-Digital-Multimeter-Resistance-Cap-DCV-A-ACV-A-Meter-B0248-/261421463772
[3:48] <PiGuy> oh cool, buhow would i ceck the total current with a basic multimeter?
[3:49] <Kamilion> on that one, turn the knob to 200mA
[3:49] <Kamilion> and plug the red lead into the 'mA' jack
[3:50] <Kamilion> and despite what it says about CAT II 1000V; don't trust it past 200 volts.
[3:50] <Kamilion> I've poked mine into wall outlets, but it's the same stuff as those mislabeled batterys
[3:50] <Kamilion> one slip up and you're dead (at least with AC)
[3:51] <Kamilion> just trying to figure out if the dryer outlet has voltage on all three phases? yeah, no problem.
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[3:51] <Kamilion> trying to poke around a 480V forklift charger? NO! get a fluke!
[3:51] <PiGuy> :d
[3:51] <PiGuy> *:D
[3:52] <PiGuy> Alright i will go get my meter
[3:52] <Kamilion> I got mine from a local electronics store
[3:52] <Kamilion> about the same $25 as that ebay deal
[3:52] <Kamilion> a good fluke'll be about $120-$200
[3:52] <Kamilion> (which is why I don't own one myself... :3 )
[3:53] <Kamilion> I don't put myself in situations where I'd need one. (like poking around inside a forklift charger)
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[3:53] <PiGuy> I am back
[3:53] <PiGuy> I fel ya man
[3:53] <PiGuy> *feel
[3:54] <Kamilion> I tell ya though -- I've grabbed 12V terminals and picked batteries up by them
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[3:54] <Kamilion> ain't safe or smart
[3:54] <PiGuy> Oh cool my probes are rated 1000v too
[3:54] <Kamilion> but generally, unless you're bleeding or you have wet hands, your skin resistance keeps you safe from voltages under about 24 volts.
[3:55] <PiGuy> So where should I probe?
[3:55] <Kamilion> I assume you're running it from some sort of usb cable right now
[3:55] <PiGuy> Yeah no swimming and probing at the same time ;)
[3:55] <Kamilion> and to take an ammeter measurement, it must go in-line with the power.
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[3:55] <PiGuy> Yes
[3:55] <PiGuy> USB Wall adapter. So a USB to microUSB in a wall adapter
[3:56] <PiGuy> conneeccted to the wall
[3:56] <PiGuy> *connected
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[3:56] <Kamilion> so the red of the voltage source goes to the red A or mA jack on the multimeter, and the black COM common/ground goes to the other end of the red voltage source, inline.
[3:56] <PiGuy> Hopefully current is around 0.5a or less
[3:56] <PiGuy> Check
[3:57] <Kamilion> your power source's positive -> red multimeter -> black multimeter -> your device -> Your device's ground -> your power source's ground
[3:57] <PiGuy> AC or DC?
[3:57] <Kamilion> DC.
[3:57] <Kamilion> the two straight bars, not the wavy icon.
[3:58] <PiGuy> Ok
[3:58] <Kamilion> set the dial to the range ABOVE what you expect to measure
[3:58] <Kamilion> http://imgs.inkfrog.com/pix/bestfd/B0248_01.jpg
[3:58] <Kamilion> on this vichy I have, I'd set the dial to 20A
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[3:58] <Kamilion> then wait till after the pi booted, and switch to 200mA
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[3:59] <Kamilion> during firmware initialization, almost all internal components are brought up at full speed, I think it has something to do with calibrating the phase locked loops they use for clock doubling/quadrupling
[4:00] <PiGuy> So I should setup my meter to measure current rather tan DC voltage?
[4:00] <PiGuy> *than
[4:00] <Kamilion> well, if that's what you're trying to understand
[4:00] <Kamilion> you already know the voltage of the USB cable -- 5V.
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[4:00] <Kamilion> the only thing you can measure there is slight voltage droop under load.
[4:00] <PiGuy> I am trying to measure the current.
[4:00] <PiGuy> Yeah your right :p
[4:00] <Kamilion> 5.08v dropping to 5.06v perhaps
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[4:01] <Kamilion> or on crummy wall warts, dropping to 4.8v and "aha! the source of my problem!"
[4:01] <PiGuy> I set my meter for Amps.
[4:01] <Kamilion> most meters I've seen are 10 amp
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[4:02] <Kamilion> that should be a reasonable setting. That moves the decimal place it displays on the LCD.
[4:02] <PiGuy> My red probe is on the 10A and the black one is on the COM
[4:02] <Kamilion> you lose precision, but you gain protection
[4:02] <PiGuy> And I have to dial on the meter on the A
[4:02] <Kamilion> as i said, it must be inline
[4:02] <Kamilion> this is something that I've had to cut up a USB cable to do before.
[4:02] <PiGuy> Alright
[4:02] <Kamilion> but if you're gonna do that
[4:02] <Kamilion> there's an easy way
[4:02] <Kamilion> those multimeter connectors are called 'banana jacks'
[4:03] <PiGuy> I'm listening
[4:03] <Kamilion> you can just buy banana jacks at various electronic stores like the late Radio Shack (RIP) for a buck or two
[4:03] <Kamilion> and just cut the red wire inside a USB cable and put a banana jack on each side of the cut.
[4:03] <PiGuy> I have lots of banana jacks right now
[4:04] <Kamilion> do this to a USB cable you HATE. XD
[4:04] <Kamilion> the dirtiest white one!
[4:04] <PiGuy> Great :D
[4:04] <PiGuy> I already cut one a while back
[4:04] <Kamilion> so you can measure over the positive lead or the ground lead
[4:05] <Kamilion> the multimeter won't care
[4:05] <Kamilion> but it's generally better to do it over the positive one, for some reason I forget, such as not corrupting the ground plane's signal integrity
[4:05] <Kamilion> if it goes over the positive one, it gets filtered out by a capacitor in the power circuity
[4:06] <Kamilion> if you do it over the black one, you can spread noise through the entire ground plane and that may potentially goof up stuff like ram refreshes and SPI bus accesses
[4:06] <Kamilion> might get goofy pixels on your tft from time to time
[4:07] <Kamilion> like a bit of static "but that's weird, that shouldn't happen, this isn't analog, this is digital!"
[4:07] <Kamilion> welcome to the world of analog noise in a digital domain... XD
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[4:08] <Kamilion> anyway, if you get it right, your pi'll start up and you'll see a number on the multimeter
[4:09] <Kamilion> depending on how good or junk your meter is, that number may be accurate or it may not be (but not being accurate in this case means that it's thinking something like 12.58v is 12.65v -- not by very much, just enough to throw your maths off when you go to calculate time/current draw
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[4:09] <kiely> How can I make a reliable raspberry pi?
[4:10] <kiely> Like, no SD card
[4:10] <Kamilion> oh, I was gonna say, "immerse it in nonconductive mineral oil"
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[4:11] <Kamilion> if I remember correctly, the more recent mask roms burned into the videocore gpu can be convinced to boot from the USB interface.
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[4:14] <Kamilion> now, in theory
[4:14] <PiGuy> still looking for USB to micrro USB :/
[4:14] <BigJ> is retropie talk allowed here?
[4:14] <PiGuy> I will find it though ;)
[4:14] <Kamilion> if the videocore is limited to the mmc command set, and isn't using the secure digital commands; you can get a 4MB SPI flash chip that supports MMC commands and stick http://elinux.org/RPi_U-Boot on there.
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[4:15] <Kamilion> but that's kind of poinless when 2GB/4GB microSD cards are approx $2 each... cheaper than said 4MByte SPI flash chip.
[4:16] <Kamilion> flash uboot on there and ignore the rest of the space on the SD *shrug*
[4:16] <Kamilion> load the kernel from USB or network, same with the initrd, mount the rootfs
[4:16] <Kamilion> plenty of folk have done NFS roots on the pi befoe
[4:17] <Kamilion> kiely: that answer your question?
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[4:24] <Kamilion> Also, I've noticed over time and experience, flash memory is temperature sensative. When it gets cold, it tends to lose data; electron migration out of the NAND cells, perhaps, I don't know.
[4:24] <Kamilion> same with sustained temperatures over 140f -- if you've got crappy airflow and your SSDs are dying constantly? Might be your issue.
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[4:24] <Kamilion> Certainly was with a friend of mine's OCZ SSDs.
[4:25] <Kamilion> Some flash gets hit by this worse than others
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[4:25] <Kamilion> my 128MB patriot tab keychain drive tends to eat random bits when i'm in freezing weather.
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[4:26] <Kamilion> I've taken sandisk 2GB SDcards out into subzero conditions and had no problems at all.
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[4:26] <Giddles> hmm
[4:26] <Kamilion> er sorry, * 128GB patriot tab
[4:26] <Giddles> noone can halp me may with my tplink 841nd problems?
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[4:27] <Giddles> i cant connect to him :(
[4:27] <Kamilion> Giddles: what's the issue?
[4:27] <Kamilion> Can you see the AP's BSSID?
[4:27] <Giddles> i flashed firmware from tplink to open wrt
[4:27] <Giddles> and now i cant connect to
[4:27] <Kamilion> are you sure the image had LUCI in it?
[4:27] <kiely> Kamilion: time for a temperature controlled radiation free enviornment
[4:27] <Kamilion> try SSHing to
[4:27] <Giddles> ssh
[4:28] <Kamilion> some openwrt images don't have the webui packages, LUCI
[4:28] <Giddles> 15.05 image with luci (unofficial third party image)
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[4:28] <Kamilion> alright, are you sure the third party image doesn't change the UCI configuration from it's default of
[4:28] <Kamilion> I routinely change mine to
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[4:29] <Giddles> no idea sir :/
[4:29] <Kamilion> but I build my own images for tplink WRN703n and buffalo WZR300AGH
[4:29] <Giddles> hrhr sounds your the expert
[4:29] <Kamilion> you can try the 30-30-30 reset
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[4:30] <Giddles> whats that ive read it but i dont get it
[4:30] <Kamilion> it might help, it might not.
[4:30] <Giddles> howto 30 30 30
[4:30] <Kamilion> hold the reset button down for 30 seconds, pull out the power, keep holding it for another 30 seconds, plug the power back in, keep holding for another 30 seconds, let go.
[4:30] <Kamilion> one of the LEDs should blink rapidly indicating it's in failsafe mode.
[4:31] <Kamilion> from there it should be accessable at from ssh; and probably start a clean LUCI config as well.
[4:31] <Kamilion> depends on the image's .config
[4:31] <Giddles> ok 30 seconds reset, power switch off holding offline 30seconds power and while holding fire it again?
[4:31] <Giddles> i just downloaded and fired it in @ tplink firmware
[4:32] <Giddles> ill do it
[4:32] <Kamilion> http://downloads.openwrt.org/chaos_calmer/15.05/x86/xen_domu/config.diff <--- this is the diff I normally base my changes off of (but I am running Xen on amd64)
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[4:34] <Kamilion> http://wiki.openwrt.org/toh/tp-link/tl-wr841nd <-- which hardware version? 10.x or 11.x? Those are the two listing unofficial 3rd party builds.
[4:34] <Giddles> ok
[4:34] <Giddles> 30 30 30 done
[4:34] <Giddles> now it blinked normal and now stopped to blink
[4:35] <Giddles> what next?
[4:35] <Kamilion> https://forum.openwrt.org/viewtopic.php?pid=206667#p206667 seems to be the source.
[4:36] <Giddles> no telnet
[4:36] <Giddles> after 30 30 30
[4:36] <Giddles> everything stopped to blink
[4:37] <Kamilion> openwrt?
[4:37] <Kamilion> or tplink's firmware?
[4:37] <Giddles> openwrt
[4:37] <Giddles> tplink firmware i was able to connect and update it
[4:37] <Kamilion> 10.x or 11.x hardware?
[4:37] <Giddles> 10.x
[4:38] <Kamilion> k, the 11.x says to flash that image, then upgrade to the v10 sysupgrade from trunk.
[4:38] <Kamilion> http://openwrt.wohnheimnetz-bielefeld.de/custom-builds//Custom%20fixed%20build%202015-11-17/Custom%20fixed%20build%202015-11-17.zip
[4:38] <Giddles> ich komm ja netmal mehr drauf
[4:38] <Giddles> :D
[4:39] <Kamilion> https://forum.openwrt.org/viewtopic.php?pid=300231#p300231
[4:39] <Giddles> i loaded it from the openwrt page
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[4:39] <Kamilion> well, there's the forum thread all about it.
[4:40] <Kamilion> I don't own that hardware; so it's pretty much up to you to read the hundred and fifty messages in there.
[4:40] <Giddles> hmm
[4:40] <Giddles> thx!
[4:40] <Kamilion> #openwrt will probably be more help if someone actually bothers answering
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[4:40] <Kamilion> but that should at least be enough to get you troubleshooting on your own
[4:40] * Kamilion rubs his eyes
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[4:40] <Giddles> thx
[4:41] <Kamilion> been up for 25 hours now, and still expecting someone to stop by my office >.<
[4:41] <Kamilion> trying to stay awake by chatting, heh
[4:42] <Kamilion> so if I start descending into madness; don't worry, it's all a delusion, one day I'll get better.
[4:42] <Berg> BOOO
[4:42] <Berg> scared ya?
[4:42] <Kamilion> Donald Trump becomes president of the world.
[4:42] <Kamilion> Scared yet?
[4:43] <Kamilion> I nearly pissed my pants just typing that.
[4:43] <Berg> i like the idea
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[4:43] <Kamilion> but if I start ranting about politics, all will be lost.
[4:43] <Berg> i cant say hillary without backwash into my mouth
[4:43] <Berg> sorry
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[4:43] <Berg> you styarted it and i aint even a yank
[4:43] <Berg> ner nert
[4:43] <Kamilion> bernie actually got some respect from me after the latest thing I saw on reddit
[4:44] <Kamilion> http://imgur.com/gallery/pJECr
[4:44] <Berg> i find all of them wasted oxygen
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[4:44] <Kamilion> yeah. I think a fifth grader could have put it about the same as bernie did there.
[4:44] <Kamilion> so, no real points there.
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[4:45] <Berg> my idea of governance is think of the nation first not the power you wield
[4:45] <Kamilion> "look, I have identified that people can be ANGRY! while calmly and rationally discussing it with a person of a race other than I am on camera, so I appear to be 'hip' and 'cool' and 'swag'.
[4:46] <Berg> race seems to be a big thing in USA
[4:46] <Kamilion> but of course, out of context is hilarious when out of context. http://i.imgur.com/uUid0Ec.gif
[4:46] <ozzzy_> people who are 'hip' and 'cool'
[4:46] <Berg> i find it anoying that you put race in front of best candidate
[4:46] <ozzzy_> are generally about as shallow as piss on a plate
[4:46] <Berg> anyway i have cake
[4:46] <Kamilion> I find it annoying race is still a problem that people have with other human beings.
[4:46] <Kamilion> and apparently so is gender. Go figure.
[4:46] <Berg> i think i just said that Kamilion
[4:47] <Kamilion> honestly, I think all the politically incorrect remarks Stephen Colbert spewed while staffing The Colbert Report in his 'republican' persona was more honest than a lot of the lying politicians.
[4:48] <Kamilion> on both sides. And on both sides of the pond. Sorry, parliment. Love ya, but we're both stooges in this age, murrica and big ben alike.
[4:48] <Berg> the world is offended lets get a new one
[4:48] <Berg> being offended is a national pass time
[4:49] <Kamilion> I broke it, can I trade it in without paying the restocking fee?
[4:49] <Berg> national wasdte of time
[4:49] <ozzzy_> I thought shooting people was the national pastime
[4:49] <Kamilion> better than sports like golf.
[4:49] <Kamilion> ozzzy_: no, that's only vice presidents
[4:49] <Kamilion> and they shoot people in the face.
[4:49] <Berg> afk i need to wash my monitor is covered in offencive
[4:49] <ozzzy_> geez... then there are a lot of shooters that need to take up knitting
[4:49] * Kamilion chuckles
[4:49] <Kamilion> I'm a firearms enthusiast, but I do not own a firearm.
[4:50] <Berg> I shot my dog
[4:50] <Berg> he offended me
[4:50] <ozzzy_> I'm a drunk cheerleader enthusiast but I don't own one
[4:50] <Kamilion> I have a vermin disposal air rifle, .177 caliber, break action, bout the worst it'll do is leave a nasty welt on ya
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[4:51] <Berg> i bet your next poresident will be a astronaut with karisma
[4:51] <Kamilion> but I grew up with handguns and firearms safety
[4:51] <Kamilion> heck, y'know who I wish would run again/
[4:51] <Berg> you had a movier star and a offf white one
[4:51] <Kamilion> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jBGR2I6pFYk
[4:52] <Kamilion> A doctor in the white house would make me happier than a politician.
[4:53] <Berg> Romanian vampire vet would be better in the white house that is now occupied by a tan man
[4:54] <Berg> arer you still sleepy Kamilion
[4:54] <Kamilion> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c2lRuOvicEM
[4:54] <Kamilion> not after watching stephen colbert
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[4:55] <cstk421> anyone know of any usb --> dual ethernet controllers working with raspbian ?
[4:55] <cstk421> or tested one ?
[4:56] <Kamilion> cstk421: I cannot find any USB 2.0 to dual 100mbit ethernet controllers.
[4:56] <Kamilion> I can find some USB3.0 ones, but I can betcha those'll have some issues.
[4:56] <cstk421> why would the usb 3 matter curious ?
[4:56] <Kamilion> http://elinux.org/RPi_USB_Ethernet_adapters
[4:57] <Kamilion> USB 3.0 to Gigabit Ethernet Adapter (ASIX AX88179) USB Ethernet Adapter. NOTE: Raspbian 3.6.11+ does not include a driver for this hardware, you will have to build a new kernel module from the source code provided by ASIX here. Easy to follow instructions on how to download the kernel source code and symbol files can be found in the 2nd posting here, including how to compile the module.
[4:57] <Kamilion> ^ that's why it would matter
[4:57] <cstk421> ah ok so its a driver/kernel thing. not that usb 3.0 is the issue
[4:58] <Kamilion> and generally I've had problems with USB 3.0 devices negotiating down to USB 2.0 and USB 1.1 speeds.
[4:58] <Kamilion> some of them are simply unable to deal with it
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[4:58] <cstk421> interesting
[4:58] <Kamilion> some of them are fine.
[4:58] <cstk421> havent run into that as i havent had to try them
[4:58] <Giddles> hah
[4:58] <Giddles> ssh works
[4:59] <Kamilion> for example: I have some Patriot USB 3.0 "EXTREME" usb sticks that my pi will simply not see
[4:59] <Giddles> mr Kamilion i dont have a password
[4:59] <Giddles> :D
[4:59] <Kamilion> because they will not negotiate USB 1.1
[4:59] <Giddles> whats ssh user and pw?
[4:59] <Kamilion> root
[4:59] <Kamilion> <blank>
[4:59] <Berg> not very secure
[4:59] <Kamilion> it's the failsafe login.
[4:59] <Giddles> im in it
[5:00] <Giddles> root@openwrt:~#
[5:00] <Giddles> and now?
[5:00] <Kamilion> you have to physically push a button to get there normally -- or it's the firstboot, where you need to set a password for the first time.
[5:00] <Giddles> its the first reboot
[5:00] <Kamilion> Giddles: didn't it give you some text?
[5:00] <Kamilion> like running firstboot or something/
[5:00] <Giddles> and i cant connect to
[5:00] <Ub3r> can't find a single Raspberry Pi Zero for sale anywhere... Anyone have an extra one I could buy for $15-20?
[5:01] <cstk421> Kamilion: interesting
[5:01] <Kamilion> Ub3r: I was lookin' too. Try craigslist in the sfbay area, maybe? large chance some nerdgeekboy there will have posted up a spare
[5:01] <Giddles> ill start with passwd?
[5:01] <Berg> snake venim
[5:01] <Kamilion> Giddles: sounds good
[5:02] <PiGuy> Hey Kamilion: I cut ope a microusb to usb cable and there is red, black, white, and a green wire. Which should I put the mter in line with? The red one?
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[5:02] <Ub3r> Kamilion, craigslist is a little 'iffy' in reliability... last time I tried to buy something found on there, almost got screwed over... lucky enough I used paypal and was able to do chargeback
[5:02] <Kamilion> yes, the red one.
[5:02] <Kamilion> green and white are the data lines
[5:02] <Ispira> wooohoo this channel exists
[5:02] <Ispira> awesome.
[5:02] <Kamilion> black is the ground.
[5:03] <Berg> hi im berg
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[5:03] <Berg> on this channel
[5:03] <Ispira> hi im ispira :P
[5:03] <Ub3r> Red - Pos | Black - Ground other are prolly data
[5:03] <Kamilion> hi, my password is hunter2
[5:03] <PiGuy> Hi Ispira :p
[5:03] <Berg> no vampoires before 7pm please
[5:03] <Ispira> im hacking an old toy car to get some free wireless parts
[5:03] <Kamilion> ooh, 27Mhz fun.
[5:03] <PiGuy> Ub3r: Thanks
[5:03] <Giddles> how can i now start lucy?
[5:03] <Ispira> 49!
[5:03] <Ispira> 49mhz
[5:04] <Kamilion> Giddles: check with opkg that luci's installed.
[5:04] <Giddles> only type opkg?
[5:04] <Kamilion> then check the /etc/uci/ configuration
[5:04] <Kamilion> opkg install luci
[5:04] <Kamilion> see what it says
[5:04] <Kamilion> either it needs to install it or it's already there
[5:04] <Giddles> wait
[5:04] <Ispira> fun
[5:05] <Ispira> the actual switches for this controller .. I could use to make a power switch for my rpi.
[5:05] <Kamilion> double pole double throw switch, tactile snap, with mounting ears? :3
[5:05] <Berg> i just bought a new air camera i cant find where the usb port is
[5:06] <Kamilion> Berg: it's magnetic! oooooo!
[5:06] <Kamilion> j/k
[5:06] <Kamilion> well, actually, who knows, it might actually use Qi power, how should I know, lol.
[5:06] <Giddles> i cant find lucy
[5:06] <Giddles> and i have no net connection
[5:06] <Kamilion> luci?
[5:07] <Kamilion> with an i?
[5:07] <Giddles> so its useless @ luci
[5:07] <Giddles> yes
[5:07] <Ub3r> Berg, wouldn't that be shown in the User Manual ?
[5:07] <Kamilion> well, I know that router's only got 4MB of flash, and 2MB of that is the kernel image
[5:07] <Giddles> collected errors cannot install package luci
[5:07] <Berg> its so authentic it came in a air box with a air user manual
[5:08] <Berg> im teasing Ub3r
[5:08] <Ispira> hmph just realized i have no idea where my soldering iron is so i can't actually get at these components.
[5:08] <Berg> like my air guitar
[5:08] * beardedbuddha|aw is now known as beardedbuddha
[5:08] <Kamilion> Berg: http://www.mouser.com/new/texas-instruments/tiqiwirelesspower/
[5:08] <Giddles> hmmmmm
[5:08] <Giddles> damn
[5:08] <Berg> induction
[5:08] <Kamilion> https://www.adafruit.com/products/1901 <-- yeah, these are neat.
[5:09] <Berg> i tried that the other day Kamilion
[5:09] <Ub3r> Adafruit is overpriced
[5:09] <Berg> i got power to pass through a board
[5:09] <Giddles> mr Kamilion
[5:09] <Berg> MR
[5:09] <Giddles> is there another step to floow after frist install?
[5:10] <Kamilion> I dunno, I stopped reading those instructions and went to watch youtube a while ago.
[5:10] <Ub3r> lol ^
[5:11] <Ispira> wow this little car is a bit chintzy.
[5:12] <Ispira> http://i.imgur.com/kWnvWtr.jpg theyjust taped the wires up with some low quality tape
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[5:12] <Ispira> wires are also glued on lol
[5:15] <Ub3r> Adaruit wants $29.95 for a Pi Zero Starter Pack; That's $19 for a $2-3 8GB Class 10 SD Card and $5 shitty 5V 1A Power Supply/Cable
[5:16] <Ispira> rip
[5:16] <Ispira> i paid $60 for a pack on amazon, had: rPI 2B, 2.5A power cable, case, heatsinks and one other thing i can't remember
[5:17] <Kamilion> lol, heatsinks.
[5:17] <Ub3r> Heatsink is usless
[5:17] <Kamilion> my new odroid came with a heatsink, actually looks a lot better than my old C1
[5:17] <Ispira> i know
[5:17] <Ispira> but they're so cute
[5:17] <Kamilion> aye!
[5:17] <Ispira> I put them on just for the cute factor.
[5:17] <Kamilion> http://ameridroid.com/products/odroid-c1
[5:17] <Kamilion> totally.
[5:17] <Giddles> hmm
[5:18] <Ub3r> The Pi 2 is a bigger board; and retails for more.. the PiZero is $5...
[5:18] <Ispira> this toy car is SO bad
[5:18] <Ispira> like i didnt expect much, probably cost like $5 5 years ago
[5:18] <Ub3r> I'm sure Adafruit got a bulk of Pi0 at a discount, and are trying to rip people off
[5:18] <Ispira> but this is a mess lol
[5:18] <Berg> we adults here we dont play wid toys
[5:19] <Ispira> Berg: :P im ripping it apart for motors and wireless stuff
[5:19] <Giddles> mr Kamilion
[5:19] <Giddles> i scpd in
[5:19] <Berg> :0
[5:19] <Ub3r> Berg, the Pi is a toy ;)
[5:19] <Ispira> pi is not a toy :P
[5:19] <Berg> NOOOO!!!
[5:19] <Berg> Im a adult
[5:19] <Ispira> pi is an awesome, fully capable little pc :P
[5:19] <Giddles> well the pi works better than my router toy
[5:19] <Giddles> :D
[5:20] <Berg> begone demon
[5:20] <Berg> ok its not a toy
[5:20] <ttys0> that wasn't a heatsink, it was a mohawk
[5:20] <Ispira> hold on
[5:20] <Ispira> hold on
[5:20] <Ispira> WHAT
[5:20] <Kamilion> https://github.com/kamilion/PxIexpress <-- now if only I can get on the "I can make a PCB" bandwagon too, I'll have my own!
[5:21] <Giddles> eh i cant find luci in /etc/
[5:21] <Ispira> The circuit board on the car itself... is the EXACT SAME as the one in the controller
[5:21] <Berg> you be famous Kamilion
[5:21] <Ub3r> When you hide a Pi in a LeapFrog to scare the #$@$ out of the Nephew, then it becomes a toy
[5:21] <Giddles> is that may the reason why i cant connect to an web ui?
[5:21] <Kamilion> not if someone steals my idea first
[5:21] <Kamilion> (and saves me the trouble of having to invest all the time.. hee hee)
[5:22] <Kamilion> Giddles: yeah, that image probably doesn't have LuCI in it since it's only 4MB
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[5:22] <Kamilion> normally only the 8MB images do
[5:22] <Kamilion> you'd have to pull his patch .zip and run the openwrt builder yourself, select more packages to be included into the compressed squashfs.
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[5:23] <Kamilion> it's about as hard as compiling a linux kernel by going through the ncurses menus.
[5:23] <Giddles> ow no
[5:23] <Giddles> ow shit
[5:23] <Kamilion> shock yourself?
[5:23] <Giddles> yup
[5:23] <Giddles> and now?
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[5:23] <Ispira> now i just have to figure out how to get these wires off without a soldering iron
[5:24] <Kamilion> And now, for something completely different.
[5:24] <Giddles> how how can i get back to tplink firmware? :D
[5:24] * Kamilion plays the monty python intro on youtube because of OCD compulsion
[5:24] <Berg> I play the theme for jaws its much gooder
[5:24] <Giddles> ow man
[5:24] <Giddles> how sad
[5:25] <Ispira> got it
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[5:30] <Ub3r> Berg, you sure you are an adult? Don't many adults that say "gooder"
[5:30] <Ub3r> :P
[5:30] <Berg> yeah but im educated and i can spell them others is lowly intelectured folks
[5:31] <Berg> dont worry its normal
[5:32] <Kamilion> and his heart embiggened three sizes that day.
[5:32] <Kamilion> And after they misunderestimated him, the town party continues unabated.
[5:32] <Kamilion> WITH GUSTO!
[5:32] <Berg> i never met him
[5:33] <Kamilion> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vv5FAwJ7t3U
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[5:34] <Berg> im watching a documentary on older folks and second chilhoods
[5:34] <Berg> cant look now
[5:34] <Kamilion> I'm listening to a punkrock band fake being country.
[5:34] <Kamilion> one of guttermouth's worst albums, but I still love it.
[5:36] <Berg> personal hygene has a lot to do with that Kamilion
[5:37] <Kamilion> song six on that album is called "pee in the shower". And now, my people call me, so I must go.
[5:37] <Berg> beware the full moon Kamilion
[5:38] <Ispira> damn
[5:38] <Ispira> little 9v battery i found had no juice
[5:39] <Berg> did you lick it to check power?
[5:39] <Ispira> no ._.
[5:39] <uriah> :.
[5:39] <uriah> :>
[5:39] <Ispira> it was in the bottom of a dusty box i dont want a disease
[5:39] <uriah> tetanus is fun dude
[5:39] <uriah> ;)
[5:39] <Berg> its lockjaw
[5:39] <Ispira> i took a tiny pc fan cut the connector off with a knife, cleaned the end of the pos and neg wires and hooked it up
[5:40] <Berg> tech term
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[5:40] <Berg> did you lick the wiures first?
[5:40] <Berg> wires
[5:40] <Ispira> on aside note
[5:40] <uriah> heh
[5:40] <Ispira> old dull knife works really well to cut small wires
[5:40] <Ispira> and strip them
[5:41] <Berg> the wrath of the beast will follow
[5:41] <uriah> i use scissors and there is a hole for actual stripping on my pliers
[5:41] <Ispira> lool
[5:41] <Ispira> i have three toolkits at my disposal
[5:42] <Berg> holly water?
[5:42] <Ispira> 1: a pink cheapo toolset my mother has which just has a hammer some screwdrivers and a pair of semi-decent pliers
[5:42] <Berg> wooden stake?
[5:42] <Ispira> 2: a black slightly less-cheapo toolset i don't know where came from, 3: a little precision bit set for torx n stuff
[5:42] <Berg> garlic
[5:42] <Ispira> and a ratchet with a few common heads.
[5:43] <Berg> mirror
[5:43] <Berg> a wooden cross
[5:43] <Berg> ok im off to the #vampireVet channel
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[5:44] <Ispira> kinda sucks that little 9v was dead, i wanted to play with things.
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[5:57] <Ispira> how do the rpis feel about running 24/7?
[5:58] <Giddles> good
[5:58] <shauno> I've had a pi2 running non-stop since I bought it. I haven't asked it's opinion on the matter though
[5:59] <Berg> mine loves 24/7
[6:00] <PiGuy> Then mine loves 24/7 also
[6:00] <PiGuy> Hey Kamilion I'm back
[6:00] <PiGuy> We measures about 350 milliamps :)
[6:01] <PiGuy> So if I go with a calculation of 400 milliamps I could use a 5amp battery and get 12 hours of battery life :D
[6:01] <PiGuy> *measured
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[6:02] <PiGuy> 12.5 to be percise
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[6:02] <shauno> kinda. in theory, yes. in practice, most batteries don't deliver the 5V until they die. and the pi really doesn't like slipping below 5v
[6:03] <shauno> you've ever seen a flashlight with a dim bulb because the battery is dying? the pi doesn't do 'dim'.
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[6:04] <ttys0> just means you need to use more 0s than 1s to conserve power, right? o_O
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[6:08] <PiGuy> What do you guys think about this battery: http://www.miniinthebox.com/3970125p-3-7v-5000mah-li-polymer-battery_p2801398.html?currency=USD&litb_from=paid_adwords_shopping&litb_from=&adword_mt=&adword_ct=73208704722&adword_kw=&adword_pos=1o2&adword_pl=&adword_net=g&adword_tar=&adw_src_id=4196617767_313071522_22450980162_aud-79897721551:pla-157327122762&gclid=Cj0KEQiAtMSzBRDs7fvDosLZmpoBEiQADzG1vAroOyX6S1cwcKW6YMzCBXEWAmpwxx73db67uW
[6:09] <shauno> there's another catch. 5000mah at 3.7v isn't 5000mah at 5v. you generally trade one for the other - you don't get something for nothing
[6:10] <PiGuy> shauno: I will be using it with this ->https://www.adafruit.com/products/2465
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[6:11] <PiGuy> shauno: Would that work?
[6:13] <shauno> it works, it just changes your math - 5000mah @ 3.7v is 3700mah @ 5v (assuming perfect efficiency from the boost circuit)
[6:14] <PiGuy> shauno: oh, so no 50000mah for about 12 hours of battery life?
[6:14] <shauno> right
[6:15] <PiGuy> shauno: So 37000 / 400 = about 9.25 hours?
[6:16] <PiGuy> *3700
[6:16] <Xark> I think it can be better with switch mode supply. E.g., this battery lasts me far longer than 12 hours (some days - even running bright LEDs) -> http://www.amazon.com/EC-Technology-22400mAh-External-Smartphones/dp/B00FDK2G2C/
[6:18] <PiGuy> Xark: Thanks. It's unfortunately too big though. It needs to be around the size of a regular li-pi / ion battery
[6:18] <Giddles> a way to hell
[6:18] <Giddles> i cant upgrade back to old fw
[6:18] <Giddles> shit
[6:22] <Jonno_FTW> I want to add a service to init.d, how do I make it depend on rabbitmq-server? I've added '$rabbitmq-server' to # Required-Start in my service script, is this right?
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[6:44] <Giddles> hmm
[6:44] <Giddles> anyone here who has an advice
[6:45] <Giddles> i cant reinstall my old tp-link firmware
[6:45] <Giddles> no tftp no sysupgrade /tmp/tplink.bin
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[7:08] <Berg> http://www.moviesoundclips.net/movies1/jaws/biggerboat.mp3
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[7:21] <alkisg> Hi, I downloaded NOOBS_v1_5_0. I have a 4 GB card, and I suppose I need to format it to fat32 and copy the contents of the folder there.
[7:21] <alkisg> Then I guess noobs will resize the fat32 and create an ext4 partition.
[7:21] <alkisg> My question is... is a 4 GB sd card enough for that?!
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[7:28] <fengshaun> is it possible to use the raspberry pi rev B with a 1440p monitor? My monitor just keeps cycling colors and not showing anything, so I'm guessing the resolution might not be right
[7:28] <fengshaun> how can I change the resolution on the rpi without having access to X
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[7:29] <alkisg> Do you have access via ssh?
[7:29] <fengshaun> yea
[7:29] <fengshaun> I can mount the sd card in another computer too
[7:29] <alkisg> Export the proper DISPLAY and XAUTHORITY and run xrandr from there
[7:29] <alkisg> No, ssh is better
[7:29] <fengshaun> oh, alright thanks
[7:29] <alkisg> Ah I forgot
[7:30] <alkisg> raspberry doesn't yet support xrandr
[7:30] <alkisg> Sorry, my idea was right but not for raspberry :)
[7:30] * Xark demands you respect his XAUTHORITY! :)
[7:30] <fengshaun> lol
[7:31] <uriah> alkisg: is it possible at all to switch from analog video to hdmi on the fly? can't remember
[7:31] <uriah> usually xrandr could do that...
[7:31] <fengshaun> I did the console-{width,height} thing in /boot/config.txt, but now it doesn't boot
[7:32] <fengshaun> and I can't figure out how else to change the resolution
[7:32] <uriah> anyway... we'll all be switching to wayland soon enough
[7:32] <uriah> fengshaun: is this for analog or hdmi?
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[7:34] <alkisg> uriah: no idea, I'm good with linux in general but I'm a noob with pi :)
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[7:35] <uriah> alkisg: k :P
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[7:37] <pigrit> what ho, fellow geekos
[7:37] <fengshaun> uriah: hdmi
[7:37] <uriah> fengshaun: you're just trying to set a different screen resolution on your monitor/tv?
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[7:38] <fengshaun> yea, it's a 1440p monitor and it's throwing a temper tantrum, so I need to change the resolution
[7:38] <uriah> ok
[7:39] <uriah> there are two ways
[7:39] <uriah> 1:
[7:39] <uriah> hdmi_group=1
[7:39] <AiGreek> Good morning, guys !
[7:39] <alkisg> So, to answer my own question... nope, the noobs offline.zip with 4 GB card says out of space
[7:39] <pigrit> yo
[7:39] <uriah> wait
[7:39] <uriah> fengshaun: scratch that, there seems to only be one way
[7:39] <uriah> fengshaun: like so:
[7:39] <uriah> hdmi_group=2
[7:40] <fengshaun> is that in /boot/config.txt?
[7:40] <uriah> hdmi_mode=75
[7:40] <uriah> yes it is
[7:40] <uriah> fengshaun: that is if your monitor supports 120hz
[7:40] <fengshaun> what are the group and mode?
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[7:40] <fengshaun> no, just 60Hz
[7:40] <uriah> ok
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[7:41] <uriah> then hdmi_mode=73
[7:41] <fengshaun> also, there's a HDMI to DVI cable running between the two
[7:41] <alkisg> Another question... I see that noobs allows to check multiple OSes. What happens if I select e.g. both raspbian and fedora, do I get a boot manager to select between them?
[7:41] <uriah> that's for 1920x1440@60hz
[7:41] <fengshaun> uriah: oh, it's 2560x1440
[7:41] <uriah> ohhh
[7:41] <uriah> :-/
[7:41] <uriah> there is a pixel clock limit which means the highest supported mode is 1920x1200 @60 Hz with reduced blanking.
[7:41] <uriah> http://elinux.org/RPiconfig#Video_mode_options
[7:42] <uriah> https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=20155&p=195417&hilit=2560x1600#p195443
[7:42] <uriah> :(
[7:42] <uriah> sorry to disappoint
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[7:42] <uriah> maybe something has changed though
[7:42] <uriah> dunno
[7:42] <fengshaun> yea, I was just reading that
[7:43] <fengshaun> hmm oh well, I'll see what I can do tomorrow
[7:43] <fengshaun> thanks uriah
[7:43] <uriah> no problem
[7:44] <uriah> fengshaun: well wait
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[7:44] <uriah> hmm, never mind
[7:45] <uriah> followed a false hunch
[7:46] <uriah> i guess we'll talk tomorrow about it or something
[7:46] <uriah> goodnight :P
[7:46] <fengshaun> thanks :) goodnight
[7:46] <fengshaun> this is a nice channel
[7:47] <uriah> :)
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[8:01] <Ispira> im going to get started writing my custom OS for my RPi!
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[8:05] <alkisg> Wow, that's quite an ambition :)
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[8:08] <mgottschlag> well, just don't try to implement USB support, and you're fine :D
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[8:13] <Ispira> i already know a bit of ARM assembly, and I'm decent with C/C++ and Rust
[8:13] <Ispira> so it's mainly just my jump to really learning about hardware and operating system dev
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[8:22] <Berg> can you make a OS that is per4fect for me Ispira
[8:22] <Berg> :)
[8:23] <mgottschlag> the largest problem with osdev on the pi is that USB support is required to build anything which is actually usable
[8:24] <mgottschlag> otherwise I'd probably try building some small network appliance :) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unikernel
[8:25] <mgottschlag> (in fact I am currently in a situation where I have a mostly usable basic kernel written in Rust, but the next steps would be USB and networking)
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[8:27] <Ispira> I'll see how far I can get :D
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[8:28] <Ispira> the big thing is usb though like you said because you have to achieve input from somewhere
[8:30] <mgottschlag> oh, there is an USB library which can be used
[8:30] <mgottschlag> now that's nice
[8:30] <mgottschlag> https://github.com/Chadderz121/csud
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[8:30] * Ispira bookmarks in case he fails completely or needs a bit of halp
[8:31] <Ispira> open-source is awesome.
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[8:33] <Ispira> I need to fashion a power button for my Pi if I'm going to be testing an OS on it, out of everything I bought for it, it was the one thing I forgot.
[8:33] <Ispira> shouldn't be too difficult, I don't suspect.
[8:34] <mgottschlag> when I worked with the pi, I also installed a bootloader which could be used to start a kernel via the serial port
[8:34] <mgottschlag> because microsd adapters tend to wear out pretty quickly in my experience :D
[8:34] <mgottschlag> I think I managed to break two of them until I installed that bootloader
[8:34] <Ispira> that's comforting..
[8:34] <Ispira> let's hope sandisk makes a good adapter... haha..ha...ha...
[8:35] <Ispira> I've got bare minimum, a pi, a case, and later today an hdmi-to-dvi cable
[8:35] <Ispira> and of course the sd card.
[8:35] <uriah> mgottschlag: what did you install the bootloader on? an sd card?
[8:35] <mgottschlag> (... and when the serial adapter supports hardware control flow, the control flow lines can be conveniently wired to the reset pin :D)
[8:35] <mgottschlag> yes
[8:36] <uriah> ah ok
[8:36] <mgottschlag> e.g. uboot should work fine
[8:36] <uriah> i thought the bootloader was a binary blob for the raspi
[8:36] <uriah> :-/
[8:36] <mgottschlag> yeah, second stage bootloader
[8:36] <uriah> ah ok
[8:36] <uriah> first stage isn't?
[8:36] <uriah> or vice versa?
[8:36] <Ispira> anyone here fashioned their own power button/switch for the pi?
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[8:36] <mgottschlag> I mean... the first stage is a blob, but I installed a second stage uboot instead of the kernel
[8:37] <uriah> Ispira: reset or power on/off?
[8:37] <Berg> theyte is one on the market
[8:37] <Ispira> power on/off uriah
[8:37] <uriah> ok
[8:37] <Ispira> currently my only method is unplugging it
[8:37] <Berg> they have schematics
[8:37] <mlelstv> ispira, depends on what rpi
[8:37] <Ispira> which I'm sure is not fun for it.
[8:37] <Ispira> rPI 2 model b
[8:37] <Berg> its not good
[8:37] <mlelstv> that would have some solder points where you can just connect a switch to
[8:37] <uriah> Ispira: you should just take a power switch from an old PSU or something and solder it onto the power cable ;)
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[8:38] <mgottschlag> Ispira: http://de.aliexpress.com/item/Raspberry-Pi-Power-Cable-with-switch-ON-OFF-button-Micro-USB-charging-cable-for-Banana-PI/32441283407.html?ws_ab_test=searchweb201556_4,searchweb201644_3_79_78_77_82_80_62,searchweb201560_8
[8:38] <Ispira> seeing that in the cable
[8:38] <mgottschlag> (I've never used anything like that)
[8:38] <Ispira> is the Pi chill with being just cut from power like that?
[8:38] <Berg> no
[8:38] <mgottschlag> just don't write to the SD card
[8:38] <mgottschlag> then it should be fine
[8:38] <Berg> use shutdown now
[8:39] <uriah> mlelstv: can you link me to a photo with those solder points circled or something please?
[8:39] <mlelstv> http://raspi.tv/2012/making-a-reset-switch-for-your-rev-2-raspberry-pi
[8:39] <mgottschlag> (for linux, that would be mounting all file systems as RO)
[8:39] <Ispira> Yes but..in the absence of shutdown now on a custom operating system that's being developped Berg
[8:39] <uriah> mgottschlag: he wants power on/off, not reset
[8:39] <Berg> https://www.pi-supply.com/product/pi-supply-raspberry-pi-power-switch/?v=6cc98ba2045f
[8:39] <Ispira> mgottschlag: my main worry is hardware, like im fine if i get a corrupt filesystem on my sd card
[8:39] <Ispira> but I don't want to RIP my raspberry pi and brick it
[8:40] <Ispira> Berg: I'm trying to make my own specifically to avoid spending more money I don't have :)
[8:40] <uriah> mgottschlag: the ideal would probably be to run the entire OS in a squashfs image stored on a tmpfs using overlayfs ;)
[8:40] <Berg> get santa to bring one
[8:40] <Ispira> very funny
[8:40] <mgottschlag> uriah: he's talking about a custom OS, so he won't have a file system driver anytime soon :)
[8:40] <Ispira> ^
[8:40] <uriah> oh yeah
[8:40] <uriah> true
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[8:40] <mgottschlag> as long as the SD card is read-only, you really should be fine
[8:41] <Berg> im not talking about buying one im talking about copying the ones on the market
[8:41] <mgottschlag> at least I don't know any SD card which performs insecure load balancing or something like that when it's idle
[8:41] <Ispira> so no worries about hardware stress/failure from quite a lot of [un | re]plugging it in?
[8:41] <mgottschlag> USB connectors are rated for 10000 plug cycles... I'd get a different solution just because it's annoying :D
[8:42] <Ispira> connectors not my worry, the poor little CPU is :P
[8:42] <mgottschlag> the CPU doesn't care about power outages
[8:42] <mgottschlag> or sudden reset pulses
[8:42] <Ispira> I'm not used to working with hardware such as this, my only going reference is that I totally wouldn't flip my PSU power switch while my PC is on
[8:42] <Ispira> alright thanks mgottschlag! that's all I needed to know :)
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[8:43] <Ispira> this channel is actually extremely helpful. such a surprise. thanks everyone for the info/recommendations/links
[8:43] <Ispira> I'll look into buying a real power switch soon enough, too.
[8:44] <Berg> we get cake often that keeps mood good
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[8:52] <uriah> Berg: cake?!
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[8:55] <pigrit> the official 7" screen for 76,00€ - theft or ?
[8:55] <pigrit> flash poll
[8:56] <AiGreek> the conversion dollars > euros is always theft
[8:57] <pigrit> I should rephrase the question - should I add to cart :D
[8:57] <AiGreek> nop
[8:57] <lonefish> With or without touch?
[8:57] <pigrit> before "available in 7 days" becomes "back order end of jan"
[8:58] <pigrit> with, it's the raspi foundation one
[9:00] <lonefish> Hmmm, tempting, but still pretty high imo
[9:00] <pigrit> it's what in the US, 55some $ ?
[9:00] <AiGreek> I ordered this one http://www.chalk-elec.com/?page_id=1280#!/15-6-HDMI-interface-LCD-with-capacitive-touchscreen/p/38127425/category=3094861 last month ...still receive nothing
[9:01] <deshipu> the post is a little bit busy before christmas
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[9:03] <pigrit> oh who am I kidding, give it ten more minutes and I'll buy it
[9:03] <pigrit> they also promise pi zeros for the end of december
[9:04] <AiGreek> be careful, the Zero is easy to lose ^^ soooo smaaaall
[9:04] <lonefish> Haha, would buy one tho
[9:05] <pigrit> I'll pass on the zero for now, I've already got 2 pis I'm doing nothing with
[9:06] <AiGreek> i'm wondering how Pi Zero 2 will looks like
[9:06] <lonefish> Probably something like a wifi-adapter.
[9:07] <deshipu> pi 007
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[9:07] <deshipu> AiGreek: it won't look at all, it will be in ze cloud
[9:10] <lonefish> anybody any experience with codecs, licences and stuff for omxplayer?
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[9:16] * Ispira is reading pages upon pages of information in preparation for OS dev
[9:16] <lonefish> Good luck, I had that idea once too.. But not enough time to really get into it..
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[9:19] <Ispira> My motivation to do it is to learn the intricacies and ins/outs of a bare computer system
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[9:19] <Ispira> I already have extensive knowledge of computer software and hardware
[9:20] <lonefish> The pi is perfect for it tho, "simple" enough to be able to do it and still have a lot of possibilities
[9:20] <Ispira> My goal is to make a very simple OS that can perform basic filesystem tasks, and do the process of "software development" from start to finish in solely my os
[9:20] <Ispira> so basically, text editor, programming language implementation/compiler
[9:20] <lonefish> not to mention, when you fry one you can get the exact same one the next day..
[9:21] <Ispira> frying one should never happen though..hopefully.. :D
[9:21] <lonefish> texteditor and filesystem will be the easy part I'm guessing.
[9:21] <Ispira> I don't dare underestimate either of those tasks.
[9:21] <lonefish> Well, you never know. I saw someone on stackexchange that fried one with a hub
[9:21] <lonefish> No, i'm not underestimating it, but it'll be easier than writing a compiler I think
[9:21] <Ispira> bad peripheral feeding voltage back into the USB I'm assuming.
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[9:22] <Ispira> I've seen that kill a desktop motherboard lol
[9:22] <lonefish> Yeah, didn't understand how he hooked it up, but he had a powered hub with a harddrive and was feeding the pi off of it too
[9:23] <Ispira> sounds like a lot of pebp
[9:23] <Ispira> pebpp*
[9:23] <Ispira> actually that's still wrong, 2:30 am give me a second
[9:23] <lonefish> pi version of pebcak?
[9:23] <Ispira> pebrap
[9:23] <lonefish> pebpap prolly
[9:23] <Ispira> problem exists between room and pi
[9:24] <lonefish> chair and pi is possible too
[9:24] <lonefish> 9.30am, at work. I'd rather be in your situation :p
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[9:25] <Ispira> pebcap, like it.
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[9:26] <lonefish> TO URBAN DICTIONARY!
[9:26] <deshipu> I used to say that the phi of the headphones is too small
[9:27] <Ispira> I feel really disorganized after reorganizing my desk.
[9:27] <Ispira> desks.
[9:27] <deshipu> disk
[9:27] <Ispira> http://imgur.com/a/yY2Z4
[9:28] <lonefish> lol, feels weird doesn't it? Chaos is so much more organized.
[9:29] <Ispira> the raspberry pi power cable is held up in a really funny way, it goes between the two lamp heads.
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[9:40] <lonefish> can't even find your pi :p
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[9:45] <AiGreek> After "Where's Waldo" here "Where's Pi"
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[9:46] <AiGreek> ow ! last picture. Found it !
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[9:47] <lonefish> Oh! nice catch, my attention was at the "rack drawer"-computer
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[9:48] <Ispira> ahhaha
[9:48] <Ispira> yeah
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[9:48] <Ispira> the pc has a lot of history, right now it;s: i5-3450, 12GB ddr3-1600, GTX 960 4gb and a segate 1tb velcro'd to the side
[9:49] <Ispira> it was an r9-270 for a couple of years but that gave up the ghost the other day
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[10:07] <alkisg> I'm trying to playback a movie with omxplayer and I'm getting "..!" and a lot of spaces instead of greek characters
[10:08] <alkisg> Is that a locale issue, or a missing font issue?
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[10:10] <lonefish> which movie?
[10:10] <lonefish> (extension/codec)
[10:10] <alkisg> (the default raspbian + jessie installation)
[10:10] <alkisg> It's in an external .srt file
[10:11] <alkisg> The subtitles
[10:11] <alkisg> Audio/video is fine
[10:11] <lonefish> wasn't really clear :p
[10:11] <alkisg> Whooops
[10:11] <lonefish> I've been messing with video looper stuff the last days, but no subtitles sadly.
[10:11] <alkisg> I tried an .mkv this time and it worked
[10:11] <lonefish> Subtitles are correct?
[10:11] <alkisg> Let me see what's the difference there...
[10:12] <lonefish> (you can open them in an editor normally)
[10:12] <alkisg> Meh
[10:12] <lonefish> MKV has built in subs normally (well, they can have built in subs-
[10:12] <alkisg> Sorry, the previous file was in cp1253
[10:12] <alkisg> So a subtitles encoding issue, my bad, I can take care of that part :)
[10:13] <alkisg> Let me quickly test with iconv => utf8...
[10:13] <lonefish> np :) I'm happy you found the issue :p
[10:13] <lonefish> Greek I suppose?
[10:14] <alkisg> Yup!
[10:14] <alkisg> OK, utf8 works fine
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[10:17] * alkisg codes a script to automatically convert the subtitles from cp1253 to utf8 before passing them to omxplayer...
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[10:18] <Ispira> oh. uh
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[10:19] <Ispira> nearing 3:30am, reading things has gotten to me.
[10:27] <lonefish> haha, it's fun isn't it.
[10:27] <lonefish> Anything to do tomorrow (well, in a few hours)
[10:27] <lonefish> ?
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[10:33] <alkisg> OK for anyone interested, with this .desktop file, all movies open automatically with omxplayer when double clicked from the file manager: http://paste.debian.net/348877/
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[10:34] <Ispira> neat!
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[10:35] <Ispira> interesting to see that the actual rpi website mentions overclocking.
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[10:41] <lonefish> http://raspberrypi.stackexchange.com/questions/39518/playing-wmv-with-codec-on-omxplayer
[10:41] <alkisg> ...stupid non-existent UPS...
[10:41] <lonefish> Anyone a clue what might be the issue?
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[10:48] <TheRinger> whats up in here
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[10:48] <Berg> speicial sause
[10:49] <TheRinger> oh yah
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[10:51] <Ispira> "The model 2B operates at 900MHz by default and should run quite happily at 1000MHz. In the latest Raspbian distro, there is an option to change the overclocking options on first boot and at any time afterwards, without voiding your warranty"
[10:51] <Ispira> I'm in love with the raspberry pi already.
[10:51] <alkisg> Is 10% faster so noticable?
[10:51] <vuokkovuorinnen> alkisg: not really imho
[10:52] <TheRinger> yah mine is running nice
[10:52] <Ispira> It's not about the real-world gains, it's about the fun of overclocking.
[10:52] <vuokkovuorinnen> mine is running 24/7, so its running stock
[10:52] <alkisg> Thank you vuokkovuorinnen, it saves me the trouble of testing it :)
[10:52] <Ispira> as a tinkerer and computer enthusiast I love pushing limits, that being said, I wouldn't go over 1ghz anyway
[10:52] <vuokkovuorinnen> alkisg: it works, its stable, its fun to do
[10:52] <Ispira> I also doubt +100mhz would realistically be a 1:1 10% improvement anyway
[10:52] <vuokkovuorinnen> but not really in my use case of running it as a server
[10:53] <vuokkovuorinnen> because it gets pretty hot then
[10:53] <Ispira> I haven't looked at temps
[10:53] <alkisg> I'll mainly use xvnc4viewer and omxplayer, so I don't think that 10% more cpu will be of real benefit to me
[10:53] <Ispira> but I have the cute little heatsinks that came with my kit on it.
[10:53] <lonefish> Mine was running stock at 47.2 yesterday
[10:53] <Ispira> so it's probably running equally as stock.
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[10:53] <Ispira> I will report back tomorrow once I get video cable to actually get ubuntu running
[10:54] <lonefish> Got a cute little android app that connects to the pi and gives me a nice overview (probably running over ssh)
[10:55] <vuokkovuorinnen> lonefish: which app?
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[10:56] <lonefish> RasPi Check
[10:56] <Ispira> All I have right now is this: http://i.imgur.com/zxgNqWq.png
[10:56] <lonefish> You can even store commands in it so you can do stuff easily
[10:56] <Ispira> I tried raspbian but had some silly issues with permissions and networking
[10:56] <vuokkovuorinnen> lspira: you can ssh into it
[10:57] <lonefish> Gives overclocking info, load, memory, network, disk usage and processes
[10:57] <Ispira> not ubuntu.
[10:57] <vuokkovuorinnen> learn the magical ways of linux command line
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[10:57] <Ispira> I SSH'd into Raspbian but as stated before, issues
[10:57] <Ispira> so I got ubuntu set up on it but it doesn't have ssh on by default
[10:57] <Ispira> So tomorrow...well 3:57 magnum AM right now, so later today, I get an HDMI to DVI cable so I can actually use a monitor with it!
[10:58] <lonefish> can you install raspbian without a monitor? Used the websinstall myself so i did need a monitor..
[10:58] <Ispira> I did it without a monitor
[10:58] <Ispira> downloaded it on my fedora laptop, but any OS X or linux will do
[10:58] <Ispira> $ unzip raspbian.zip
[10:59] <Ispira> $ df -h (find the sd card, should be something like mmcblk0)
[10:59] <Ispira> unmount sd card then use dd to write the img file to sdcard
[10:59] <lonefish> Yeah, i downloaded the full image the first time and put it in the pi, but it still had some installscreen if i remember correctly
[11:00] <Ispira> # dd bs=4M if=/path/to/raspbian.img of=/dev/mmcblk0
[11:00] <Ispira> put it on the rpi afterwards, turn rpi on, luaunch up your fav. ssh client (putty for me on windows) and connect to it, boom.
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[11:01] <Ispira> I had to run the config command to get it to come up, but otherwise worked fine.
[11:01] <Ispira> After disabling ipv6 (issue with my home network) I was able to update, and then found out there was some sort of permission issue with the latest raspbian or something
[11:02] <Ispira> had to chmod /bin/ping and couldn't connect to irc
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[11:04] <lonefish> auch
[11:09] <lonefish> sigh. Slow day today :(
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[11:24] <gordonDrogon> morning ...
[11:24] <lonefish> morning :)
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[12:14] <AiGreek> it's suddenly quiet here :x
[12:14] <lonefish> indeed :(
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[12:15] <lonefish> sigh.
[12:15] <Berg> was it lumpy?
[12:15] * AiGreek open the window
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[12:16] <Berg> resting minds find fun in odd places
[12:17] <gordonDrogon> I know we like to keep it kid friendly, but not too childish ... :)
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[12:18] <lonefish> Indeed. Any codec experts that came in by any chance?
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[12:19] <AiGreek> *Cot Cot Codeeeeec* \_o<
[12:19] <lonefish> do you have cookies, d4rkforce ?
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[12:26] <AiGreek> hum, i need a 3D printer
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[12:28] <mgottschlag> lonefish: yes... you want to know how h.264 works?
[12:28] <mgottschlag> never used it with the pi though :p
[12:28] <lonefish> More problems with WMV on the pi
[12:28] <lonefish> http://raspberrypi.stackexchange.com/questions/39518/playing-wmv-with-codec-on-omxplayer
[12:29] <lonefish> Nobody seems to even have the slightest idea since they don't answer..
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[12:33] <lonefish> mgottschlag: afk for 20m, if you have any idea, clue, test to what might be the issue, please tell me.. I'll get back to you in 20 minutes
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[12:37] <AiGreek> http://makeuseof.tradepub.com/free/w_pacb12/prgm.cgi
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[13:09] <realies> any ideas if there's access to the CSI on the Pi Zero?
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[13:11] <jojek> Hi, I am trying to configure the network routing on my RPi2. The goal is to connect to the Internet via wlan0, whereas eth0 is connected to a portable router with IP range of To that router I am connecting other devices. Now whenever I want to connect to any 11.22.33.x it should go via eth0, but everything else should go to the wlan0. The problem I am having is that I am able to ping the device on eth0, but ping doesn't work (I have n
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[13:13] <Flutterbat> jojek: what happens if you disable eth0? can you then reach
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[13:13] <jojek> Flutterbat: Yes, If I disconnect the ethernet then works like a charm
[13:14] <Flutterbat> jojek: type in route
[13:14] <gordonDrogon> realies, no access to csi or dsi interfaces...
[13:14] <jojek> Flutterbat: With eth0 connected?
[13:14] <Flutterbat> jojek: yes
[13:14] <Flutterbat> its will show you the standard routes
[13:15] <Flutterbat> your device uses eth0 as a default gateway
[13:15] <Flutterbat> so its asking the router, which has no idea
[13:15] <Flutterbat> but you only want local traffic to go there, everything else is supposed to go via wlan to the other ?router?
[13:16] <Flutterbat> default fritz.box UG 1024 0 0 eth0
[13:16] <Flutterbat> thats my default route
[13:17] <jojek> Kernel IP routing table
[13:17] <jojek> Destination Gateway Genmask Flags Metric Ref Use Iface
[13:17] <jojek> default UG 202 0 0 eth0
[13:18] <jojek> default UG 303 0 0 wlan0
[13:18] <jojek> * U 202 0 0 eth0
[13:18] <jojek> * U 303 0 0 wlan0
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[13:18] <Flutterbat> well two defaults cant work
[13:18] <jojek> This is the output of my route
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[13:18] <Flutterbat> its probably just using the first one
[13:19] <Flutterbat> which is, surprise eth0
[13:19] <jojek> Which is the eth0, that I don't really want..
[13:19] <jojek> Indded ;)
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[13:20] <jojek> Sorry, I got disconnected
[13:20] <jojek> Can you repeat the last thing please?
[13:21] <Flutterbat> no one wrote anything past your 13:19 < jojek> Indded ;)
[13:21] <jojek> Is removing the default on eth0 a good solution?
[13:21] <mlelstv> hmm, redundant default routes.
[13:21] <Flutterbat> cant hurt if you remove it
[13:21] <mlelstv> do you expect this works? :)
[13:21] <jojek> If you ask me mlelstv, then my answer is nope :P
[13:22] <mlelstv> don't do that then :)
[13:22] <Flutterbat> i wonder how it got there in the first place, considering thta you didnt know about 'route'
[13:23] <jojek> I have no idea. I took over this device from my coleague
[13:23] <jojek> This guy doesn't even know linux ...
[13:23] <Flutterbat> w/e. just kick it out and see what happens
[13:24] <Flutterbat> while you are at it. the 3rd entry looks strange as well
[13:24] <jojek> Why so?
[13:24] <Flutterbat> also the 4th considering that its an wlan0 entry which supposedly isnt connected to the home network?
[13:24] <Flutterbat> idk. strange ip
[13:25] <mlelstv> entry 3 and 4 are normal interface routes.
[13:25] <mlelstv> please tell what the "portable router" is exactly.
[13:26] <mlelstv> if it is a router, it has at least two sides and two networks :)
[13:26] <mlelstv> but maybe it's a switch? :)
[13:26] <jojek> Ok, I removed the default for eth0. Let me clarify the connections again. wlan0 --> home wifi router with an Internet connection. eth0 --> small TP-LINK TL-WR702N to which I am connecting another device
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[13:27] <mlelstv> the TL-WR702N can do either, router, access point, bridge, repeater, ...
[13:27] <jojek> Yep, and I set it up to be an AP with IP
[13:28] <mlelstv> and the RPI ?
[13:29] <jojek> eth0 on RPi get's its IP address from TP-LINK DHCP.
[13:29] <Flutterbat> does 11.x.x.x even fall into the private address range?
[13:29] <mlelstv> btw, the default gateway looks like a typo :)
[13:29] <mlelstv> jojek, so what IP did it get?
[13:29] <mlelstv> flutterbat, it doesn't. But that's a different problem :)
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[13:30] <Flutterbat> luckily he used one that doesnt seem to do anything in the internet. but still.
[13:32] <Flutterbat> try to use ips in the following ranges for your homenetwork and
[13:32] <vuokkovuorinnen> Flutterbat: or
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[13:33] <Flutterbat> if you use an public ip and you try to access their server you will end up on your homenetwork
[13:33] <mlelstv> can be a feature
[13:33] <Flutterbat> :P
[13:33] <vuokkovuorinnen> sry shoudl be /20
[13:33] <vuokkovuorinnen> darn it /12
[13:33] <vuokkovuorinnen> oh boy, my networking is off today
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[13:41] <jojek> mielstv: Yeah it was a typo...
[13:41] <jojek> Well, it looks like for now I am able to connect to both servers
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[13:42] <jojek> But obviously Now I will try to use other private address range
[13:44] <jojek> What happened now (I changed the IP range on TP-LINK) the default gw for eth0 appeared again in route
[13:44] <jojek> How can I remove it permanently?
[13:45] <mlelstv> the problem is that you use DHCP
[13:45] <mlelstv> the TP-LINK assigns you an IP address, network _and_ a default route.
[13:45] <jojek> I am afraid that I can't use static... TP-LINK must be able to accept any other device and give it an IP... :/
[13:45] <mlelstv> which btw is also an issue if you want to use your RPI to route your other machines to the internet
[13:46] <mlelstv> why does TP-LINK must do that?
[13:46] <mlelstv> you can make the RPI be the DHCP server for that network
[13:46] <pksato> configure dhcp client to not set default route
[13:47] <mlelstv> the other machines will probably get the wrong default route too.
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[13:47] <mlelstv> no problem if they only need to talk locally.
[13:47] <jojek> Hmm... You are right mlelstv, other machines connected to TP-LINK will require the i-net as well...
[13:48] <jojek> So I should configure dhcp on RPi instead and make the TP-LINK static?
[13:48] <mlelstv> maybe you can configure the DHCP server on the TP-LINK.
[13:48] <jojek> Well certainly I can, because TP-LINK now runs the DHCP
[13:48] <mlelstv> but it's much easier to turn off DHCP there and use the RPI as the DHCP server
[13:48] <jojek> I see
[13:48] <mlelstv> with 'configure' I meant: 'configure to send the correct default route'
[13:49] <mlelstv> which would be the RPI
[13:49] <mlelstv> of course, that's not everything.
[13:49] <jojek> Any guide on doing that mlelstv ?
[13:49] <mlelstv> if the other devices need to go to the internet, then the RPI must do NAT for them. Unless you use IPv6 :)
[13:50] <jojek> Please tell me there is some sort of guide for that, or at least SO answer... ;)
[13:50] <mlelstv> http://www.netfilter.org/documentation/HOWTO/NAT-HOWTO.html
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[13:51] <mlelstv> not trivial stuff, but good to learn :)
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[13:51] <Flutterbat> nat is magic to me
[13:51] <Flutterbat> especially the part with icmp
[13:51] <jojek> Sure thing. If it was simple then I wouldn't be spending so much time on it ...
[13:52] <mlelstv> http://raspberrypihq.com/how-to-turn-a-raspberry-pi-into-a-wifi-router/
[13:52] <mlelstv> this might also help
[13:52] <Flutterbat> how can i receive ping replies behind a NAT when i ping something. But that something cant send me ping replies without me pinging it? :P
[13:53] <mlelstv> the only specialty you have is that you use wlan as the uplink and eth for the local network. Usually people do the opposite.
[13:53] <mlelstv> flutterbat, that's actually a bug :)
[13:54] <Flutterbat> mlelstv: a known one?
[13:54] <mlelstv> when you start the ping behind the NAT, then NAT device knows about this and expects an answer that it can translate back.
[13:54] <mlelstv> but when a ping comes from the outside, the NAT doesn't know where it should forward too, so its blocked.
[13:55] <mlelstv> but if you ping, and the other side too, then NAT can't distinguish between both sides and thinks there is only one "connection".
[13:56] <mlelstv> to avoid this NAT must filter for ICMP message types, so that one direction only works for "ECHO" and the other for "ECHO REPLY".
[13:57] <Flutterbat> mlelstv: im not sure thats correct. afaik the nat attaches 'ports' to the packages to flag them, right?
[13:57] <mlelstv> nobody does this, because then you need lots of filter rules for all the ICMP message types. There are many more than just ECHO
[13:57] <jojek> mlelstv: In my case a device (Let's say IoT camera) is connecting to TP-LINK. Then RPi is getting some audio from this camera, processing, and whenever I find an event, the audio clip is being send via e-mail (wlan0). Now there are obviously other devices which will plug directly to the eth0, without TP-LINK, and again I will send the audio clipse via wlan0.
[13:57] <mlelstv> ICMP has no ports, that's the problem.
[13:57] <ali1234> this is why IoT gateways exist
[13:57] <Flutterbat> Langley: i know. but the Nat fakes them iirc
[13:58] <mlelstv> UDP and TCP have ports and TCP even has a complex state.
[13:58] <Flutterbat> mlelstv: ^
[13:58] <Flutterbat> i may be wrong though
[13:58] <Flutterbat> its not a real port
[13:58] <Langley> what?
[13:59] <Flutterbat> Langley: wrong nick asuka
[13:59] <mlelstv> real firewall usually do much deeper analysis and can handle this better. That's why NAT is no firewall, just a crude approximation.
[13:59] <Flutterbat> mlelstv: http://superuser.com/questions/135094/how-does-a-nat-server-forward-ping-icmp-echo-reply-packets-to-users
[13:59] <Flutterbat> theres a deeper explanation.
[13:59] <Langley> are you stupid?!
[14:00] <Flutterbat> the nat hashs the icmp package via the ip and an imaginary port
[14:00] <Flutterbat> Langley: stfu?
[14:01] <ali1234> NAT has very little to do with firewalls, it just happens that routers usually can do both
[14:01] <mlelstv> that's how to distinguish between different machines behind NAT.
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[14:01] <mlelstv> ali, true
[14:01] <jojek> mlelstv: Which DHCP server should I use? A standard dhcpd or isc-dhcp?
[14:02] <SirLagz> jojek: how do you even define 'standard' ?? personally I use dnsmasq, but that's me
[14:02] <mlelstv> good question
[14:02] <Flutterbat> jojek: btw. why do you use the wlan as an uplink?
[14:02] <mlelstv> the only Linux system I run uses isc-dhcp
[14:02] <Langley> Help, I have a webpage that redirects to a different one, like example.com/stair -> example.com/index/info. But Chromium insteads redirects to example.com/index.php (our home page) on the first try; if I try again the redirection works. FF works fine
[14:02] <Langley> oops wrong channel
[14:02] <mlelstv> and the other systems also have a variant of isc-dhcp
[14:03] <mlelstv> but the standard one might be as good or better
[14:03] <Flutterbat> jojek: simply a necessity due to the location?
[14:03] <Langley> now look what you made me do
[14:03] <Flutterbat> im sorry T_T
[14:03] <Flutterbat> Langley: is your nick not a NGE reference?
[14:04] <ali1234> Langley: the redirect page itself can be cached, try clearing it from the browser cache
[14:04] <Langley> anta bakaaa?
[14:04] <Flutterbat> bakana
[14:04] <Langley> ali1234: But it does it on a clean Chrome install too
[14:05] <ali1234> Langley: dunno then. inspect the actual redirect source with wget or something
[14:05] <jojek> Flutterbat: Practicality I guess. RPI must have internet access via wifi. The devices I am testing are either wired or need an AP. That is why I choose to use ethernet as an input. If device hooks via cable, then remove the TP-LINK and done. If device needs to connect to wifi, then use the TP-LINK. But in any case always connect to wifi by a dongle.
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[14:06] <Flutterbat> jojek: im just asking because you can use a single ethernet connector for different networks
[14:06] <jojek> Flutterbat: what do you mean?
[14:06] <Flutterbat> meaning if your only goal is to use the raspberry as a hub thats connected to multiple networks thats possible
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[14:07] <Flutterbat> plug all devices into one switch. seperate them via subnets. give your raspberry access to all subnets
[14:09] <jojek> The thing is that in general I don't need it..
[14:09] <Flutterbat> i dont like wlan, so i try to avoid it whenever whereever i can
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[14:27] <jojek> I see Flutterbat. Nonetheless this device is meant to be used in variety of locations with different wifi networks.
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[15:06] <mothership> What have you learned today?
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[15:17] <Armand> mothership: That a Pi Zero won't fit into a 1/144 scale Gundam model. :(
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[15:20] <mothership> :(
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[15:21] <mlelstv> it cannot fly either
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[15:22] <Armand> Indeed
[15:22] <Armand> Although, I'm pretty sure it will go well into a 1:24 or 1:25 scale car. :)
[15:23] <Armand> But then, the standard sizes should do too
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[15:27] <mothership> how to u connect to pi zero via ssh?
[15:27] <mothership> u cant?
[15:27] <mothership> only works with monitor?
[15:27] <ebarch> mothership: you just need to connect a USB ethernet or wifi adapter. then you're good to go
[15:27] <mlelstv> ssh only works with network, you need to give it network
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[15:33] <mlelstv> https://hackaday.com/2015/12/06/pi-zero-ethernet-the-hard-way/
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[15:45] <mothership> pizero sold out :(
[15:45] <mothership> zero pizero
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[15:55] <mothership> pizero, zero for the availability
[15:56] <vuokkovuorinnen> and nobody who seems to know when it will be in stock again
[15:56] <vuokkovuorinnen> whether it will be weeks or months ..
[15:56] <AiGreek> a french website site said 'End december"
[15:56] <Armand> I'm just going to ignore them until all that settles. ;)
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[15:58] <mlelstv> wasn't cheap here anyway.
[16:00] <mlelstv> one dealer asked for EUR15 for the first rpi0 and EUR115 for second and subsequent orders.
[16:01] <mlelstv> .oO( out of the door. line to the left. one cross each. )
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[16:27] <jojek> It's me again... It looks like I am loosing the battle with this network stuff.
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[16:28] <jojek> Is anyone patient enough to guide me step by step with that?
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[17:01] <mstevens> hello
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[17:03] <gordonDrogon> afternoon.
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[17:05] * mstevens gave in and ordered the modmypi gamepad
[17:05] <mstevens> games for me soon!
[17:07] <gordonDrogon> lucky you - just found out that pimoroni cancelled my entire order.
[17:07] <mstevens> :(
[17:07] <gordonDrogon> so no Pi Zeros for xmas.
[17:07] <mstevens> did you order multiple zeros?
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[17:10] <gordonDrogon> only 2 - I thought it was one of each item, but hey ho...
[17:13] <gordonDrogon> bother.
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[17:14] <Encrypt> gordonDrogon, Haven't you got one with the Mag Pi?
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[17:17] <mstevens> the pibow zero case could really use an explanatory picture
[17:17] <giddles> hmm pizero
[17:17] <gordonDrogon> I have one zero - but wanted one for my wife and another with the display stand thingy. No shops here had the magpi magazine. Blank stares when I asked...
[17:17] <giddles> hehe with the b2 i cant even surf ;D
[17:17] <Armand> giddles: "Charlie don't surf!" ?
[17:18] <gordonDrogon> I think you'd fall off if you tried to surf on it - it probably wouldn't work after all that salt water either.
[17:18] <giddles> i can but when i have hours for ;D
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[17:18] <Encrypt> Ok :p
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[17:41] <chris_99> has anyone ever seen something like : Dec 17 15:59:23 raspberrypi wpa_supplicant[395]: wlan0: WPA: Group rekeying completed with 4c:5e:0c:ed:42:39 [GTK=CCMP] followed by many ^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@ in the syslog, and then the Pi becoming inaccessible
[17:42] <chris_99> via SSH
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[17:42] <mlelstv> the ^@ are zero bytes. Which means that some data hasn't been written to the log (because the pi crashed before it could do that).
[17:43] <chris_99> ah didn't realise that
[17:43] <mlelstv> unfortunately that's real data that should have been written is probably the crash message.
[17:43] <chris_99> bugger
[17:43] <mlelstv> the real data
[17:43] <chris_99> i guess maybe i could attach a serial terminal?
[17:43] <mlelstv> yes
[17:43] <mlelstv> probably helps
[17:44] <chris_99> okey dokey, thanks for the pointer
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[18:55] <klinikot> is it possible to make a "Raspberry Pi single core" Spark or Hadoop cluster?
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[18:57] <at0m> klinikot: possible? probably. makes sense? nope.
[18:58] <klinikot> just for learning purposes
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[18:58] <riskable> klinikot: Sure you can do that but it'll be slow as molasses :)
[18:58] <at0m> try and learn :)
[18:58] <riskable> Raspberry Pi 2 would be the best choice
[18:59] <riskable> Actually, if you're just using the RPi for compute/storage nodes that'll be fine
[19:00] <riskable> Having a bunch of RPis acting as HDFS nodes is actually not such a bad idea
[19:00] <klinikot> i tried RPi1 some time ago and using java there was very slow. Is it better with java 8?
[19:00] <klinikot> I just have some RPi1 arround
[19:00] <riskable> klinikot: Not really... Though if you use an RPi2 you'll be fine as far as speed goes.
[19:01] <riskable> The real problem is that Java sucks on ARM all around
[19:01] <riskable> Very slow
[19:01] <riskable> The way the JIT works requires plenty of CPU cache in order to be performant and most ARM processors (including the RPi) don't have much CPU cache at all
[19:02] <riskable> Also, the startup time will be extra slow due to the use of microSD cards for storage but you can work around that using some USB storage
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[19:05] <traeak> anyone try the chromium build yet?
[19:06] <Xark> traeak: Not inr a while, but on RPi2 IceWeasel functioned better for me.
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[19:08] <gordonDrogon> I'd just run up the epifthththany thing. however you spell it. in a Pi zero - it was usable.
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[19:11] <Xark> I didn't find a huge difference from IceWeasel speedwise.
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[19:25] <TheRinger> how long is the pi zero on back order
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[19:27] <myself> until the pi negativeone comes out
[19:27] <myself> people will fall over themselves with excitement until the new hotness comes along
[19:29] <TheRinger> I'd just like to buy one, you always hear about how this or that is so cheap 5$ but realistically, it's not $5 because I can't buy one
[19:29] <gordonDrogon> and why not?
[19:29] <TheRinger> why not what
[19:29] <gordonDrogon> why not fall over ourselves with excitement ..
[19:29] <gordonDrogon> etc.
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[19:44] <mirazi_heket> hello, anyone sucessfully installed and enabled gd2 extension under apache/php ?
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[19:50] <gordonDrogon> yes, but not on a Pi.
[19:50] <gordonDrogon> and by compiling apache & php from source, using the libgd2-dev package.
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[19:52] <mirazi_heket> yay
[19:52] <mirazi_heket> ok thanks
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[19:52] <mirazi_heket> gordonDrogon: what steps did you used?
[19:53] <mirazi_heket> 1. compile php with gd2, then 2. compile apache?
[19:53] <gordonDrogon> install apache source, compile it the usual way. install php from source, ./configure ...blah...--with-gd
[19:53] <gordonDrogon> I do apache first.
[19:53] <mirazi_heket> you sure that was working in this order?
[19:54] <gordonDrogon> yes.
[19:54] <mirazi_heket> ok thanks
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[19:55] <gordonDrogon> part of the php ./configure has: --with-apxs2=/usr/local/apache2/bin/apxs ... so that needs to exist first.
[19:55] <gordonDrogon> then you tweak the apache config files to enable php.
[19:56] <mirazi_heket> installing php first wouldnt do the thing?
[19:56] <gordonDrogon> I usually do mysql first too.
[19:56] <gordonDrogon> I'm not sure - I've been doing it that way for years ...
[19:56] <mirazi_heket> ok
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[19:59] <ebarch> mirazi_heket: hmm that's odd. you should only have to install the php5-gd package
[19:59] <ebarch> usually there's no need to compile from source
[20:00] <ebarch> i'm more familiar on the nginx side of things, but I installed that package on my pi and gd worked out of the box
[20:01] <mirazi_heket> i got gd, but not gd2
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[20:02] <mirazi_heket> im checking this in php via if (extension_loaded('gd2'))
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[20:02] <mirazi_heket> as recommended on one of the websites which use that library
[20:02] <mirazi_heket> returns false of course
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[20:04] <mirazi_heket> i wonder if i can handle that without compilation of apache/php
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[20:05] <ebarch> mirazi_heket: are you on raspbian wheezy or jessie?
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[20:06] <ebarch> just checked my pi running jessie. i used the php5-gd package and PHP is reporting GD headers Version 2.1.1-dev
[20:06] <mirazi_heket> jessie
[20:07] <mirazi_heket> ebarch: http://dpaste.com/10EJHHP
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[20:07] <mirazi_heket> please put this code on your website if you can
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[20:09] <ebarch> hmm, that shows gd2 extension is not active. but gd is reporting version 2.1.1
[20:09] <mirazi_heket> it does however detect (extension_loaded('gd'))
[20:10] <mirazi_heket> ebarch: same
[20:11] <ebarch> never checked gd in that way before. what isn't working w/ your current install?
[20:13] <ebarch> even though that check fails, i think you still have gd2. it's just loaded w/ the extension name 'gd'
[20:13] <mirazi_heket> after declaring chart object, code execution is interrupted
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[20:13] <mirazi_heket> maybe its working, will double check that though
[20:14] <ebarch> okay :)
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[20:35] <Anderson69s> Hi all, i'm trying to play video using processing 3 and lib video on raspberry pi. No problem at all to compile the code. When compilation is over, my program launch but not videos is played only a black screen... I've already set up 256Mo for GPU and install gstreamer0.10-dev... any suggestions?
[20:35] <Anderson69s> i'm using a jeezy version of raspbian....
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[20:42] <pigrit> this may be a silly question, but - what exactly is the point of retropie in pure terms of using emulators on the pi ?
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[20:42] <pigrit> is it just about coming with all the emulators preinstalled ?
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[21:08] <Ispira> I'm angry!
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[21:08] <Ispira> My display cable was supposed to be here today, but it isn't.
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[21:09] <t3chguy> hmm, weird, when I plug in the official USB WiFi dongle into my Pi Zero, the Serial interface no longer responds
[21:09] <t3chguy> any ideas?
[21:10] <t3chguy> Serial works fine prior to plugging in the WiFi
[21:11] <pigrit> low juice ?
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[21:13] <t3chguy> its running on the official power supply, which claims to be capable of 2A
[21:14] <chris_99> nothing weird in syslog?
[21:14] <t3chguy> chris_99: I'll check again in a sec, gonna try using a USB hub to do both keyboard and wifi so that I can update it
[21:14] <t3chguy> not had a chance to update this thing yet
[21:15] <t3chguy> hmm
[21:15] <t3chguy> it seems to be working now
[21:15] <t3chguy> over both Serial and HDMI+USB periphs
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[21:17] <chris_99> cool
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[22:35] <digitalmouse> greetings, programs!
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[22:35] <gordonDrogon> some of us claim to be human ...
[22:36] <at0m> tron pun
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[22:37] <digitalmouse> yay live peoples! \o/
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[22:45] <Ispira> trying to figure out a way to keep my raspberry pi still.
[22:45] <Ispira> the ethernet cable likes to pull it around
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[22:46] <Ispira> and the little grippy feet on the case aren't working 'cause the pi is so lightweight lol
[22:46] <digitalmouse> super glue? :D
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[22:47] <Ispira> i'd like it to still be mobile.
[22:47] <digitalmouse> heh
[22:48] <gordonDrogon> blue tack ...
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[22:49] <Ispira> duct tape
[22:49] <Ispira> Raspberry farmer's secret weapon.
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[22:52] <digitalmouse> i thought it was MacGyver's...
[22:53] <pigrit> mac's is the paper clip
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[23:07] <at0m> Ispira: lego's.
[23:07] <Ispira> I don't own any
[23:07] <Ispira> im trying to survive without spending any more money on computers and toys :D
[23:07] <at0m> that young eh
[23:07] <Ispira> 18
[23:08] <at0m> got kids adding to my old lego kit
[23:08] <Ispira> unfortunately I have responsibilities outside of playing with rpis :(
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[23:08] <at0m> can't be too hard sticking it somewhere, and if the lan cable moves it, stick the cable harder than the pi
[23:09] <Ispira> stick the cable harder than the pi...
[23:09] <Ispira> you might be a genius.
[23:09] <at0m> like, tape it to the floor
[23:09] <Ispira> brb gonna go get some duct tape.
[23:09] <Berg> nail it to the desk
[23:09] <at0m> Ispira: exactly my thinking
[23:09] <Ispira> Berg: again, I want it to still be mobile.
[23:09] <Berg> put the desk on wheels
[23:10] * Berg has all the best plans
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[23:10] <Groggy> I like how you think :D
[23:10] <Berg> g'day programs and hums
[23:10] <Ispira> the way he thinks gives me anemia
[23:10] <at0m> stick the pi in a cheap encloruse, attach the wires more to the enclosure than to the pi
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[23:11] <at0m> duct tape the wires to the pi. try not to bend pins.
[23:11] <Ispira> I solved my issue.
[23:11] <Berg> I
[23:11] <at0m> atleast you won't be jerking cables out of pi connections
[23:11] <Berg> at0m:
[23:12] <at0m> Berg?
[23:12] <Berg> he solved it i was just pointing oiut you need credit too
[23:12] <Ispira> http://i.imgur.com/rFRUKBK.png
[23:12] <at0m> Berg: had my tv with PVR in rolling closet some time. great fun
[23:13] <Ispira> the power cable was already hung like that so it wouldn't fall on the floor when I unplugged it
[23:13] <at0m> strapper togother power and networl
[23:13] <at0m> k
[23:13] <Ispira> I just looped the network cable in, and book
[23:13] <Ispira> boom*
[23:13] <Berg> I been using the clear plastic boxes that ear buds come in i use the solder iron to puty holes in box at cortrecvt placesd for cables
[23:14] <Ispira> network cable should be strong enough to keep it held like that
[23:14] <Berg> the pi has been running for months without issue
[23:14] <Ispira> I mean, I haven't removed my ethernet cable from my desktop in years because it stuck in there, and tht's not from a lack of trying.
[23:14] <Ispira> so I assume ethernet ports and cables are pretty strong.
[23:14] <at0m> Ispira: euh. that's not mobile, and pi's pending on its wires insteaad of vice versa
[23:15] <at0m> and by pending on pi i meant, strapped, not by the connections
[23:15] <Ispira> at0m: when i go mobile the cables will come too
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[23:15] <Berg> i have wifi too so onjly have gpio wires and power from pi
[23:15] <Ispira> i wasn't using your solution, i just made my own.
[23:15] <at0m> ok so your single issue was not to capture the cable w your feet
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[23:15] <at0m> so you put it aside
[23:15] <Ispira> my issue was that the ethernet cable was pulling my pi off my desk
[23:16] <at0m> freak solution.
[23:16] <Berg> its only modile till your reach end of cable?
[23:16] <Ispira> Berg: i remove cable from pi, and modem, then take pi and cable with me
[23:16] <at0m> does the pi move up and down when you move about
[23:16] <Ispira> pretty simple concept
[23:16] <Ispira> no at0m ?
[23:17] <at0m> like, you move further the pi moves up, closer it moves down
[23:17] <Berg> <---is suffering confusion in the xtreme
[23:17] <at0m> rofl
[23:17] <Ispira> okay here's the idea
[23:17] <Ispira> you dig?
[23:18] * Berg gets a shovel
[23:18] <Ispira> I have the pi set up to do something, I then want to do this thing in a different room or house
[23:18] <Ispira> I unplug the ethernet cable from both my pi, and my modem.
[23:18] <Ispira> I unplug the power cable from both my pi, and my wall.
[23:18] <Ispira> I take the cables and the pi to the new place, and plug them in.
[23:18] <Ispira> then repeat that to go back
[23:19] <Berg> so thatrs your definition of mobile ok i got it
[23:19] <Berg> buy a wifi dongle they cheap
[23:19] <at0m> i was mobile. just got a beer.
[23:19] <Berg> or your router dont has wifi?
[23:20] <Berg> im mobile my chair has wheels
[23:20] <at0m> Berg: different places i understand he means visiting ppl
[23:20] <Ispira> i will later on
[23:20] <Ispira> but right now wifi was not in my needs list
[23:20] <at0m> Ispira: wires rule
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[23:20] <Ispira> yeah
[23:21] <Ispira> faster, less latency,
[23:21] <Ispira> etc
[23:21] <at0m> just work
[23:22] <at0m> glad you solved it, and fun to see Berg have a confuze.
[23:22] <at0m> i'm off :)
[23:22] <Berg> laters
[23:23] <at0m> :)
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