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IRC Log for 2015-12-19

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[0:01] <malinus> Ispira: yes you should only do buildRoot :)
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[0:02] <malinus> This way you won't get infected with bloat ;)
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[0:19] <PiGuy> Hello
[0:19] <PiGuy> gordonDrogon: I am back :) Thanks for your help earlier
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[0:20] <PiGuy> So how can I connect buttons to the Raspberry Pi 2 Model B?
[0:20] <PiGuy> I need around 20
[0:20] <PiGuy> I will be in and out of this IRC windows so please use my name so I hear a beep when you message me. Thanks :)
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[1:05] <JakeSays> ordered one of those little 2.8" pi displays today
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[1:32] <Ispira> i have a massive 1280x1024 LCD
[1:32] <Ispira> lol
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[2:07] <traeak> with chromiumOS on rpi youtube videos played, a little choppy, just a touch but they play
[2:08] <Ispira> neet
[2:08] <Ispira> im installing Ubuntu Mate right now for it
[2:08] <traeak> hehe
[2:08] <traeak> yargh
[2:08] <Ispira> I think that's the OS I'm going to go with for my GUI distro
[2:09] <traeak> interesting the chromecast works fine with my damn hdtv that forces hdmi overscan
[2:09] <Ispira> just gotta figure out how to overclock it n' stuff without raspbian
[2:09] <traeak> i have void on my rpi2 but i hvaen't done much with it
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[2:25] <Ispira> df -h
[2:25] <Ispira> ...ignore me.
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[2:27] <Ispira> dagnabit
[2:27] <Ispira> my poor old monitor can't handle the ubuntu
[2:27] <Ispira> "Cannot Display This Video Mode (Optimal Resolution: 1280x1024)"
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[2:39] <JakeSays> traeak: chromium os runs on the pi?
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[2:56] <traeak> JakeSays: yes it does
[2:56] <JakeSays> traeak: very cool
[2:56] <traeak> JakeSays: but doesn't get updates, etc yet...just test builds
[2:56] <JakeSays> traeak: you have a link?
[2:56] <JakeSays> i have an idle pi2 i'd like to try
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[3:07] <Ispira> ubuntu mate failed miserably
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[3:16] <uriahheep> ugh -_- the one day I'm out of the house and don't have access to my computer the zero goes on sale and i can't get one... fml
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[3:18] <uriahheep> i should have stayed home... i guess I'll have to wait until next year
[3:25] * [Saint] needs to do some cleanup
[3:25] <[Saint]> I have five hundred and seventy bajillionteen kernel and initramfs images in /boot on this thing
[3:29] <[Saint]> Hmmm...hahahahaha.
[3:29] <[Saint]> won't be doing that again, lol.
[3:29] <[Saint]> specifying the 'next' branch in rpi-update will actually perform a downgrade compared to master.
[3:30] <[Saint]> Hexxeh: am I to take it that the 'next' branch is considered deprecated? I would hate to think how many people get caught by that trap thinking their jumping up versions.
[3:30] <[Saint]> *they're
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[3:46] <eggy> hi
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[3:54] <[Saint]> sudo apt-get install --install-recommends linux-generic-lts-vivid xserver-xorg-core-lts-vivid xserver-xorg-lts-vivid xserver-xorg-video-all-lts-vivid xserver-xorg-input-all-lts-vivid libwayland-egl1-mesa-lts-vivid libgl1-mesa-glx-lts-vivid libgl1-mesa-glx-lts-vivid:i386 libglapi-mesa-lts-vivid:i386
[3:54] <[Saint]> blargh
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[4:07] <uriahheep> hmm... oddly quiet in here
[4:07] <[Saint]> Until you ruined it.
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[4:10] <jhanarato> lurking
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[4:13] * Tachyon` is now known as Tach[Zzz]
[4:15] <jhanarato> So... a 12 month subscription costs 99GBP. That is about 205 aussie dollars. In the newsagent you can pick up an issue (last month's) for 15.95 AUD which is 191 AUD per year...
[4:15] <jhanarato> I now have 4 issues thanks to my generous friend. :-)
[4:15] * uriahheep makes yet more noise to disturb [Saint]'s relaxation
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[4:15] <jhanarato> oh, I'm sorry, wrong window
[4:16] <[Saint]> 205 Dollarydoos.
[4:16] <uriahheep> heh
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[4:18] <jhanarato> roobucks
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[4:19] <jhanarato> I was really impressed with gpiozero... pretty and intuitive
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[4:19] <[Saint]> https://www.youtube.com/v/-w3iPFl-cfI
[4:20] <[Saint]> also
[4:20] <[Saint]> https://www.youtube.com/v/-w3iPFl-cfI
[4:20] <[Saint]> bah - can't url.
[4:20] <jhanarato> ok... well video on my screaming fast 2008 model dell is not so great :-)
[4:20] <jhanarato> Go Core Duo, go!
[4:20] <[Saint]> https://www.youtube.com/v/HV_O3BA5e28
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[4:23] <Ispira> I need some help
[4:23] <Ispira> I'm trying to get my rpi 2b booted into ubuntu mate
[4:23] <[Saint]> Do you hate yourself that much?
[4:23] <Ispira> I have an hdmi to dvi cable plugged into it, going into an old 1280x1024 monitor
[4:24] <Ispira> it was working earlier with ubuntu core 14.04, and lxde
[4:24] <Ispira> but i get unsupported video mode w/ubuntu mate
[4:25] <Ispira> tried changing config.txt to include framebuffer width/height, still nothing.
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[4:28] <Berg> how do you find newly modified files ?
[4:29] * gbaman (~gbaman@host81-139-185-126.in-addr.btopenworld.com) Quit (Remote host closed the connection)
[4:29] <[Saint]> 'ls -t'
[4:29] <Berg> thank you
[4:31] <[Saint]> 'ls -lrth' might be a bit more fitting.
[4:31] <[Saint]> but -t works fine.
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[4:32] <Berg> yes thanks getting nthere
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[4:34] <[Saint]> 'find' can do this too if you want to get really specific about the modified timeframe, and it'll take forever to complete.
[4:34] <Berg> [Saint]: can you get within a hour?
[4:35] <Berg> or even 30mins?
[4:35] <[Saint]> Yes.
[4:35] <[Saint]> sec.
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[4:35] <[Saint]> 'find . -type f -mmin -30 -print0 | xargs -0 /bin/ls -t'
[4:35] <Berg> thank you
[4:35] <[Saint]> it'll take ages to complete though.
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[4:36] <Berg> working
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[4:36] <Berg> thanks
[4:37] <Ispira> WOO
[4:37] <Ispira> I GOT UBUNTU MATE RUNNING.
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[4:37] <Berg> nice
[4:37] <Berg> i have too
[4:37] * jhanarato golf claps
[4:38] <Berg> but its runniung on my desktop pc
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[5:30] <Ispira> for my next trick I'll be angry about my rPI trying to use ipv6 when my network clearly doesn't support it.
[5:33] <uriah> :-/
[5:34] <uriah> it just tries automagically, but will automatically look for an ipv4 address if it doesn't get anything wrt ipv6, doesn't it?
[5:34] <uriah> so what's wrong with that?
[5:34] <[Saint]> you're correct, that's intended behavior.
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[5:35] <uriah> Ispira: you can probably disable the ipv6 check in dhclient config if you really want to
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[5:37] <Ispira> i usually disable it kernel level, im going to see about adding the disable_ipv6=1 kernel flag
[5:38] <Ispira> that's what i have to do for every other linux/android device in my house.
[5:39] <uriah> ok
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[5:43] <Ispira> wasn't there a place to add kernel options in the config.txt?
[5:44] <[Saint]> http://elinux.org/RPiconfig
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[6:18] <Ispira> holy moly
[6:18] <Ispira> no way
[6:18] <Ispira> overclocking to 1ghz makes an INSANE difference
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[6:20] <uriah> Ispira: pi2É
[6:20] <uriah> ?
[6:20] <uriah> pi2?*
[6:21] <Ispira> yeah
[6:21] <Ispira> firefox feels like it's launch time is halved
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[6:25] <Ispira> okay maybe the stability isn't there.
[6:25] <Ispira> might need a voltage bump
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[6:39] <chesty> Ispira: try this page https://wiki.debian.org/RaspberryPi for "Overclocking Pi 2"
[6:41] <Ispira> im getting mixed info about overvolting
[6:42] <Ispira> some places say only values that require force_turbo on (7 and 8) will void warranty
[6:42] <Ispira> some places say using over_voltage at all voids it
[6:42] <Ispira> anyone here know?
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[6:44] <Ispira> examples:
[6:44] <Ispira> DEbian Wiki: "Overclocking is quite easy and convenient, and doesn't invalidate your warranty if you don't change voltage."
[6:45] <Ispira> Lifehacker: "over_voltage - ARM/GPU core voltage adjust. Values above 6 are only allowed when force_turbo or current_limit_override are specified (Which set the warranty bit)"
[6:45] <chesty> the debian config turn over_voltage off
[6:45] <chesty> over_voltage=0
[6:45] <Ispira> im not copying configs
[6:46] <Ispira> I just want to know which of the previous statements are true
[6:46] <Ispira> does overvolting void warranty even if you use over_voltage 4 or less, or does it <only> set the warranty bit if you use 7 or higher w/current_limit_override or force_turbo are enabled?
[6:47] <chesty> i believe, which doesn't mean i'm right, that any setting you can set in raspi-config won't void warranty
[6:48] <Ispira> out of all the things documented so well on the pi, this is the least.
[6:48] <Ispira> I'm going to do some more digging :/
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[6:50] <chesty> most people don't care, it's a $60 computer and would cost me a minimum $10 in postage to send it back
[6:50] <Ispira> if haydenjames.io is a safe source then over_voltage 6 does <not> void the warranty
[6:51] <Ispira> chesty: I don't exactly have the disposable income to warrant not being extremely careful
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[6:53] <zesterer> Hello all. Does anyone on here have experience writing basic C operating systems from the Raspberry Pi? I was wondering if I could get some pointers (he he) at to how to start off
[6:53] <Ispira> http://wiki.osdev.org/ zesterer
[6:54] <Ispira> they have all the "just starting off" info you could ever want
[6:54] <zesterer> Ispira, I did take a look on OSDev, but couldn't find anything RPi-specific
[6:54] <Ispira> they have rpi pages, only for the model b+ i beleive though
[6:54] <Ispira> it's fairly similar for the model 2 b though
[6:54] <zesterer> Btw I have experience with C & C++ as well as basic assembly so I'm not completely out of my depth
[6:54] <zesterer> Hmm ok
[6:54] <zesterer> I have a Model A
[6:55] <Ispira> e.g. if you're unable to figure out where to look and what you should be changing (even if you don't know what to change it to) you're probably out of your league anyway and neeed to do a bit more studying and reading up first
[6:56] <zesterer> Ispira, I've previously come across osdev.org many times and have read all of the beginners advice sections and similar but for some reason hadn't found the RPi pages
[6:56] <Ispira> http://wiki.osdev.org/Raspberry_Pi_Bare_Bones
[6:56] <zesterer> Thanks
[6:57] <Ispira> http://wiki.osdev.org/ARM_RaspberryPi zesterer
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[6:57] <zesterer> Ispira, They're the same page, aren't they?
[6:57] <Ispira> i picked them out of my history, didn't check them lol
[6:59] <Ispira> I finally got my answer!
[6:59] <Ispira> overvolting on it's own will NOT set warranty bit
[6:59] <Ispira> even if you set it to over_voltage 8 (It'll get limited to 6 as long as yo don't have the other, warranty-voiding options enabled)
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[6:59] <zesterer> Ispira, Um... I assume that isn't aimed at me
[7:00] <Ispira> Nope, was an ongoing thing before you joined.
[7:00] <Ispira> hence "I finally got MY answer" :P
[7:01] <Ispira> either way, dialed my OCs back without overvolting, +50mhz across the board
[7:02] <zesterer> Um... Another quick question. How can the mini kernel print things to the screen? Is that part of the standard headers the kernel uses, or is it something else built into the hardware of the RPi?
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[7:08] <Ispira> zesterer: I don't have time to read it completely but according to the summary i think this will help answer your question http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/projects/raspberrypi/tutorials/os/screen03.html
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[7:09] <Ispira> taken from here http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/projects/raspberrypi/tutorials/os/
[7:09] <Ispira> the top answer here has lots of info as well: http://raspberrypi.stackexchange.com/questions/10489/how-does-raspberry-pi-boot
[7:11] <zesterer> Ispira, Thanks, I'm taking a read now. I think I followed the first few steps of that tutorial a few years ago
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[7:12] <Ispira> no prob
[7:12] <Ispira> i've been perparing to start on my own os implementation as well :)
[7:13] <zesterer> Ispira, Since moving to Linux a few years back, I've become obsessed with the unix philosophy (despite the fact that the monolithic Linux kernel goes directly against this philosophy)
[7:13] <zesterer> Although of course I have no chance of even building a very simple POSIX system, I still think it would be fun to see what I can do
[7:14] <Ispira> my goal is simple, implement a basic operating system that can complete a single task
[7:14] <Ispira> write a program from concept to compile on the os itself
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[7:15] <Ispira> basically all i need is a working booting kernel, filesystem driver, support, text editor, and compiler/language implementation
[7:15] <Ispira> " All I need"
[7:15] <Ispira> see you in two years.
[7:17] <zesterer> :D
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[7:17] <zesterer> If I could get a very basic command-line I'd be happy
[7:17] <Ispira> i've actually managed to get SD youtube videos playing smoothly on my pi 2
[7:17] <zesterer> Ispira, Isn't the Pi2 crazily fast compared to the first one?
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[7:26] <Ispira> yeah
[7:26] <Ispira> plus i have it overclocked
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[7:26] <Ispira> running a fairly heavy DE
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[7:42] <zesterer> Ispira, I am jealous. The original RPi pretty maxes out CPU when running any sort of UI
[7:44] <AiGreek> 'Morning, guyz
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[8:04] <Ispira> zesterer: ohwell.. time to get a new one? ;DDDDD
[8:05] <zesterer> Ispira, Probably. They don't cost too much after all. Although on my tight student budget, that's worth a week and a half of food :D
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[8:09] <Ispira> i have less budget than that... mine was from christmas gift card money :D
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[8:40] <pigrit> sup big nerds
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[8:40] <irc_smirk> hello
[8:41] <irc_smirk> i dont mean this as a troll
[8:41] <irc_smirk> but what is a compelling reason to use the touchscreen display with pi over just getting a cheap android tablet
[8:41] <AiGreek> irc_smirk Home control
[8:41] <pigrit> the COMPELLING aspect is that it's cool
[8:41] <AiGreek> Automation*/
[8:42] <irc_smirk> aiGreek - but you dont need touch screne for that
[8:43] <pigrit> are you posing the android tablet as a display only, or as a substitute for the brains of the home
[8:43] <irc_smirk> i mean look at the thickness of this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GKwRCDt2vWo
[8:43] <irc_smirk> the brains can be a headless pi 0
[8:43] <irc_smirk> but the remote or ui can be any tablet
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[8:44] <irc_smirk> i mean i guess if you dont want android specifically would be a reason
[8:44] <pigrit> I think your original question crashed and burned when you said compelling
[8:44] <AiGreek> it's a big tablet ...
[8:44] <irc_smirk> i just dont see how it offers any value over what android tablets can offer
[8:45] <AiGreek> two reasons : 1. Android is baaaaad. 2. The price
[8:45] <irc_smirk> it cant even compete on price
[8:45] <Myrtti> because there's more use for a Linux computer in a small form, than a relatively locked down and hardware limited tablet
[8:45] <irc_smirk> kindles are like $50 now
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[8:46] <irc_smirk> when $5 touch displays come out then that will be a game changer
[8:46] <AiGreek> i think Mediacenter and Tablets are the most popular project on a Pi
[8:47] <Myrtti> I've got a raspi with a touch screen hooked to a knitting machine that has had its controlling electronics replaced by an Arduino with a special board.
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[8:48] <irc_smirk> haha cool!
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[8:53] <pigrit> what does the atx hat do that a gpio button running "shutdown -h now" does not ?
[8:56] <zesterer> Ispira, Well, I've written and compiled the example OS on that webpage
[8:56] <zesterer> Now time to test it with QEMU (I don't have a HDMI cable to hand for my RPi)
[8:57] <Ispira> i had to get an hdmi to dvi cable
[8:57] <Ispira> because none of my monitors support shitdmi
[8:57] <pigrit> hdmi to vga \o/
[8:57] <Ispira> plsno
[8:57] <Ispira> i'd take VGA over HDMI almost any day
[8:57] <Ispira> but not hdmi to vga
[8:58] <Lartza> Expensive :/
[8:58] <pigrit> well I ain't going to throw away this 14" monitor until it dies properly
[8:58] <pigrit> it's perfect for setting pis up
[8:58] <Lartza> That converter costs more than a Pi though? :P
[8:59] <pigrit> also for some reason it heats up a treat
[8:59] <pigrit> but eh, what can you do
[8:59] <Lartza> Probably more than a second hand DVI monitor and hdmi-dvi cable
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[9:03] <pigrit> 10€ http://www.amazon.it/gp/product/B00F6RZZMU?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_detailpage_o02_s01
[9:04] <pigrit> took me a while to find it in my history
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[9:05] <pigrit> so I suppose if you mean a pi zero with no power and no supertaxes attached, yes it costs more than a pi
[9:06] <zesterer> Here goes
[9:06] <zesterer> Had to force QEMU to compile with depreciated functions but oh well
[9:08] <Mr_Sheesh> I'm wondering about making a Pi Zero beowulf cluster, could be interesting :)
[9:08] <zesterer> Mr_Sheesh, I guess it all depends on how much latency you get with core synchronization
[9:09] <Mr_Sheesh> Yeah. Just a thought atm; it'd be nice at times as lots of things I do would drop into a Pi Zero; some wouldn't tho
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[9:15] <mlelstv> hdmi-to-vga adapters are pretty cheap nowadays
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[9:17] <zesterer> Damn, cloned the wrong qemu branch
[9:17] <zesterer> Gotta re-clone and recompile :\
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[9:24] <zesterer> Finally compiled QEMU
[9:24] <zesterer> Trying it now...
[9:24] <zesterer> Aaaannd... Nothing.
[9:24] <zesterer> Dammit
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[9:27] <zesterer> Ispira, It literally doesn't do anything
[9:27] <zesterer> Ispira, I don't see anything on the screen
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[9:38] <zesterer> Wait, no. I'm wrong! It works!
[9:39] <Ispira> congrats.
[9:39] * Ispira totally didn't wait a while to see if you figured it out or not
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[9:41] <pigrit> yay
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[9:46] <AiGreek> all my devices are detected by the bluetooth dongle excepts my Mac(s)
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[9:50] <zesterer> Ispira, I've read through the code and I reckon I understand most of it
[9:50] <zesterer> I take it that I can't allocate things on the heap with malloc() or similar yet?
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[9:52] <Ispira> drop the heap dude i just got the best nickname ever
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[9:53] <Raspberry> I win
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[10:00] <pigrit> why does P6 have to be headerless and microscopic D:
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[10:06] <Nicho1010> Hello! can I really power my raspberry pi 2 B with android charger?
[10:06] <Nicho1010> I read it somewhere.
[10:06] <Raspberry> Welp aside from having a bit of an issue with nickname, I'm set up on irc with my rpi.
[10:06] <AiGreek> Nicho1010 i say no
[10:07] <mgottschlag> Nicho1010: android charger? you mean one of these regular micro usb power supplies?
[10:07] <Nicho1010> AiGreek, What would you recommend then? as far as I know raspberry pi does not come with its powering thingy
[10:08] <mgottschlag> you need a regular micro usb power supply, >=1A
[10:08] <Nicho1010> Well, its samsung charger, not sure :x
[10:08] <Nicho1010> its 1A yes
[10:08] <mgottschlag> 5V, >=1A :)
[10:08] <mgottschlag> well, then it should work
[10:08] <Nicho1010> yea 5v 1A
[10:08] <Nicho1010> Is it risky though?
[10:09] <mgottschlag> no, that's the way the pi is supposed to be powered
[10:09] <creazur> Shouldn't be, I'm using the USB port in my ZyXEL VMG3926 router to feed power to my Pi B+
[10:09] <Nicho1010> it says 5v 1a on output though, it says 0.15A on input
[10:09] <mgottschlag> and samsung power supplies should be rather high quality
[10:09] <AiGreek> i use a computer power supply ...
[10:09] <mgottschlag> huh, input? what kind of charger do you have that has an input?
[10:10] <Nicho1010> hold on let me type out chargers model
[10:10] <mgottschlag> ah, wait
[10:10] <mgottschlag> yes, of course
[10:10] <mgottschlag> every charger has an input... after all it's somehow plugged into a wall socket :D
[10:10] <mgottschlag> ignore the input specs
[10:11] <Nicho1010> ETAOU81EBE, Okay
[10:11] <Nicho1010> thats model of charger
[10:12] <creazur> I'd say that just plug and play, USB standard is pretty solid and as long as you have at least USB 2.0 standardized power supply (USB socket on some device or charger or whatever) it should be fine
[10:13] <creazur> Only if you plug a lot of power consuming USB devices on your RasPi, then you might have outage in power
[10:13] <AiGreek> "ETAOU81EBE" that's the one who died because of my pi. he was on 24/7 and one morning ... no power
[10:13] <Nicho1010> Sorry, not really good at hardware, but what would be safest and best way to power pi?
[10:13] <zesterer> Raspberry, Nice name.
[10:14] <mgottschlag> Nicho1010: I believe that samsung charger should work just fine
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[10:14] <mgottschlag> if a charger dies because there's a pi attached to it, then it's a faulty charger
[10:14] <Nicho1010> So chargers are what most people use?
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[10:16] <mgottschlag> yes
[10:16] <Nicho1010> I am also planning to attach a cooling fan, it says in specifications of cooler "5V 0.2A", should it be fine?.. I might be reading something wrong, sorry.
[10:19] <mgottschlag> you don't need a fan, the pi is specified to operate without one even in enclosures
[10:19] <mgottschlag> but you can add any 5V fan if you want
[10:19] <mgottschlag> won't change anything except the power bill though :)
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[10:20] <mgottschlag> the pi consumes something around 400mA, 0.2A on top of that still leaves some power for peripherals
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[10:21] <Mr_Sheesh> I would not overclock, but others do it; does set the "My warranty's been violated" flag if you do
[10:21] <Nicho1010> mgottschlag, I am noot good at electronics so sorry again xD, if charger output says 5v, and that cooler takes 5v, then what pi would get? would not that damage it or something? :x
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[10:21] <mgottschlag> Nicho1010: you'd plug in the pi and the fan in parallel, then the complete voltage is delivered to all of them
[10:22] <mgottschlag> the current however flows through all the parallel devices, so you need to sum it up
[10:22] <Mr_Sheesh> So long as the 'wall wart' is regulated & its current is over 0.2A (for the fan) + enough for the RPi (1.2A or so iirc?) should be fine
[10:22] <mgottschlag> and the total curent needs to stay below <1A
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[10:22] <mgottschlag> the pi 2 b requires something like 500mA on its own
[10:23] <Mr_Sheesh> Depends on your power source; you can use separate power supplies if needed, just common the ground if anything's common between them
[10:23] <Nicho1010> Hmm, I am still having doubts about this charger, what would be its alternatives anyway?
[10:23] <mgottschlag> you could use a powered USB hub
[10:24] <creazur> Alternative for charger would be any USB socket that you might have at hand
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[10:24] <Ispira> aweomser
[10:24] <mgottschlag> well, any USB socket with high enough current
[10:24] <creazur> I've run my Pi B+ from my monitors USB first until I changed it to my routers USB
[10:24] <Ispira> my pi is now set to idle 24/7 with irc on.
[10:24] <Nicho1010> Yeah, I am looking for something I can find at local computer store, since I live in Georgia the country, and its hard to find very advanced details in here :)
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[10:25] <creazur> Nicho1010: Do you have a router that has USB socket for LAN-printer or something that you don't use at all? Connect it to that
[10:25] <Mr_Sheesh> Ispira - what irc app are you using?
[10:25] <creazur> That's what I did and works just fine
[10:26] <Nicho1010> I do have router charger that I dont use, yes, but it uses that round connectors
[10:26] <creazur> Didn't mean that
[10:27] <Mr_Sheesh> hmm irccloud
[10:27] <Ispira> weechat Mr_Sheesh
[10:27] <Ispira> on my pi that is
[10:27] <creazur> I ment that if you have unusedf USB socket in router, use that
[10:27] <Ispira> irccloud on my desktop/laptop/phone
[10:27] <Mr_Sheesh> Aaah, IDK that one yet
[10:27] <Ispira> weechat is a command line client
[10:27] <Ispira> a bit of an ass to configure, not hard, just time consuming
[10:27] <Ispira> but works fairly well.
[10:27] <Ispira> even over ssh.
[10:28] <Mr_Sheesh> I can look at it; I've considered putting a mini rack together for things like IRC, any RPi would handle that pretty much
[10:28] <Nicho1010> I am looking for usb hub in that store right now
[10:28] <mgottschlag> Nicho1010: I'd really suggest you just use the charger, and only switch to something else when you notice that the pi is unstable under load
[10:28] <Ispira> what's nice about it is I use Byobu
[10:28] <mgottschlag> only use an USB hub if you actually need additional USB ports for the pi
[10:28] <Nicho1010> mgottschlag, Hm, okay. but it does not damage it or something if it becomes unstable?
[10:29] <Ispira> so when im doing with irc i detach the session, exit out of SSH, and can use the desktop environment of my distro any time
[10:29] <Ispira> without affecting it
[10:29] <mgottschlag> it will reboot, and in the worst case the filesystem will be damaged and you will lose data
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[10:29] <mgottschlag> but that's unlikely with an 1A charger
[10:29] <mgottschlag> unless you connect stuff like a hard disk to the pi's USB ports
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[10:29] <Nicho1010> So nothing with hardware itself? like it won't damage parts?
[10:30] <mgottschlag> if you can buy a socket for that round power plug somewhere, you could also easily make an adapter for the pi from that
[10:30] <mgottschlag> no
[10:30] <mgottschlag> the charger should be short-circuit-proof
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[10:30] <mgottschlag> (if you draw too much current, the voltage just drops and the pi resets itself
[10:30] <mgottschlag> )
[10:32] <Nicho1010> just looked at my router charger, it has 9v 0.6A, so thats worse, no?
[10:33] <mgottschlag> yeah, that would destroy the pi
[10:33] <Nicho1010> so, samsung charger it is?
[10:33] <mgottschlag> yes
[10:33] <Nicho1010> does it connect with that tiny phone plug thing? or I need something else for samsung charger?
[10:34] <Nicho1010> Alright, so I got power done, pis board is on the way, what else I need for raspberry pi to get going?
[10:35] <Nicho1010> Oh, I am going to order case with a cooler also, thats why I mentioned cooler
[10:38] <AiGreek> you have an extra keyboard/mouse ?
[10:38] <Nicho1010> Yea those won't be problem :)
[10:38] <AiGreek> a wifi dongle ?
[10:39] <Nicho1010> I'll use cable from my wifi router, isnt that ok?
[10:39] <AiGreek> it's good too
[10:39] <AiGreek> you're ready to go, then ;)
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[10:48] <Ispira> Pis are the best.
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[10:48] <Ispira> So worth the money
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[11:54] <zesterer> Ispira, I'm not sure what my next step from here should be. How best to get the OS writing pixels to the screen?
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[12:37] <pigrit> does such a thing as solderless headers exist
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[12:38] <pigrit> a-ha!
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[12:47] <_jamesl> Can Raspberry pi 2 run Windows 95 at a reasonable speed?
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[12:49] <pksato> Raspberry pi can not run any version of windows.
[12:49] <_jamesl> when will the Pi Zero be back in stock, or do you not know?
[12:49] <pksato> but, emulators can run.
[12:49] <_jamesl> pksato, I meant on DOSbox or qemu.
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[12:50] <pksato> works only as curiosity.
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[12:53] <pksato> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ESJq8IeSYfg
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[12:59] <pksato> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YAls4sEapBQ
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[13:14] <t3chguy> pksato: Really? Pretty sure Raspberry Pi 2 runs Windows IoT comfortably...
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[13:15] <deshipu> t3chguy: what is Windows IoT?
[13:16] <t3chguy> deshipu: its the Microsoft offering for IoT devices, its free
[13:16] <deshipu> t3chguy: and it's not an operating system, is it?
[13:16] <t3chguy> well, essentially it is
[13:16] <deshipu> t3chguy: basically just an embedded web server
[13:17] <deshipu> it doesn't even have any... windows
[13:17] <t3chguy> well, considering it doesn't sit on top of an operating system, it includes a kernel which acts as a basic enough OS
[13:17] <deshipu> can it run Word?
[13:17] <t3chguy> that's not quite the definition of a Windows Operating System
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[13:17] <t3chguy> as Mac OSX can run Word
[13:17] <deshipu> it always has been
[13:17] <t3chguy> doesn't make it Windows
[13:18] <deshipu> well, it's a requirement
[13:18] <deshipu> 1. runs Word, 2. made by Microsoft
[13:18] <t3chguy> erm, the requirement is Windows OR Mac
[13:18] <deshipu> t3chguy: ok, let's loosen the requirements a little bit more, can it run *any* Windows program?
[13:19] <mythos> no, it surely doesn't have any com-apis implemented (those are x86 only)
[13:19] <mythos> that's the problem of ms... they are stuck to x86
[13:20] <t3chguy> Then go back to what makes Windows, the fact that Microsft call a product Windows
[13:20] <deshipu> don't get me started on problems of ms :)
[13:20] <t3chguy> its all Marketing
[13:20] <t3chguy> since MS chose to call IoT, Windows IoT
[13:20] <t3chguy> then it is Windows
[13:20] <t3chguy> however you personally define Windows doesn't really apply
[13:20] <deshipu> t3chguy: right, but that's not a very useful criterion to use
[13:20] <deshipu> t3chguy: a more useful criterion would be "it's compatible with windows"
[13:20] <mythos> well, korea calls itself a democratic... doesn't make it to one
[13:21] <t3chguy> IoT doesn't call itself Windows, it is called Windows by its creator
[13:21] <deshipu> mythos: you don't have to repeat what they say
[13:21] <t3chguy> if you believe in God, does God call Korea a Democratic?
[13:21] <mythos> i don't
[13:21] <deshipu> t3chguy: ask her
[13:22] <deshipu> what I'm trying to say is that we shouldn't be helping spreading the marketing lies
[13:22] <t3chguy> I agree, Windows IoT is not actually useful, but that does not make it a version of Windows
[13:22] <t3chguy> Vista wasn't useful, yet people still call it Windows
[13:22] <deshipu> if it's not really windows, don't call it that, even if the marketing department does
[13:23] <mythos> win7 is vista relabeled. it just got a bad start
[13:23] <t3chguy> Don't call it what it is?
[13:23] <mythos> so it was useful
[13:23] <t3chguy> that's a great idea
[13:23] <t3chguy> lets not use names
[13:23] <deshipu> t3chguy: we just agreed it is not
[13:23] <deshipu> t3chguy: yeah, preferably describe the properties
[13:23] <deshipu> t3chguy: set your requirements, pick something that fits them
[13:23] <t3chguy> deshipu: collective we, not sure who you are including, I'm sure if someone from MS related to the IoT Core project was here they'd disagree
[13:24] <deshipu> t3chguy: I'm not so sure
[13:24] <mythos> windows iot is not a win32 compatible windows. so it's not what people would expect from a windows. there is not really more to say
[13:24] <deshipu> but back to useful discussion, does that "windows" on rpi2 actually give you any advantage?
[13:25] <t3chguy> deshipu: sure, if you are already using Windows IoT Core related platforms or services
[13:25] <deshipu> if you can't run windows apps on it, compatibility is not the advantage
[13:25] <deshipu> so what do you get?
[13:25] <mythos> a framework
[13:25] <t3chguy> well, its an IoT Platform, rather than a functional OS
[13:25] <deshipu> mythos: practically, what do I gain?
[13:26] <mythos> deshipu, poeple did prework for you to get $usecase faster implemented
[13:26] <deshipu> mythos: can my windows-only programmers just jump in and write programs like they did on Windows?
[13:27] <mythos> dunno
[13:27] <deshipu> mythos: what $usecase for example?
[13:27] <mlelstv> brrr, windows-only programmers
[13:27] <mythos> if it's "managed code", then probably yes
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[13:28] <mythos> deshipu, the usecase you want to be implemented by an iot device that runs windows
[13:28] <deshipu> I'm trying to understand the reason for its existence, other than the Microsoft being able to say "yes, Windows runs on raspberry pi"
[13:28] <deshipu> mythos: any use case?
[13:29] <mythos> they are all embedded devices, so what they want, is, that their platform is used to switch the lights for instance or to control your heating system... or whatever
[13:29] <mythos> they want to control your fridge!
[13:30] <mythos> it's a growing market, so of course they want to be part of it
[13:31] <deshipu> mythos: so they have a fridge controller implemented there that I can just use?
[13:31] <mythos> the fridge has basically mobile phone built in
[13:31] <mythos> +a
[13:32] <deshipu> mythos: a mobile phone or a rpi2?
[13:32] <deshipu> mythos: make up your mind
[13:32] <mythos> and dunno what it is useful for. peoply try to do that for decades. so it must be something there, that is valuable about it
[13:33] <pksato> I was referring to windows for x86 desktops.
[13:33] <mythos> there is no real difference between a mobile phone and a rpi2. don't loose yourself in details
[13:33] <deshipu> pksato: the problem with x86 windows is that it runs in x86 assembly, which is completely different than ARM assembly that runs on rpi2
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[13:33] <deshipu> pksato: of course, as soon as they realease the source code, we can recompile it for ARM ;)
[13:34] <deshipu> mythos: of course there are many differences
[13:34] <mythos> in your imagination
[13:34] <deshipu> mythos: price point, for one
[13:34] <pksato> even with source, port to other arch is not just compiling.
[13:34] <deshipu> pksato: right, but it's a starting point
[13:35] <mythos> not an argument, when the discussion goes about platforms
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[13:35] <deshipu> pksato: I'm sure that as soon as Microsoft releases the sources, there will be ARM versions :)
[13:35] <mythos> no, there wont
[13:35] <pksato> On some alternative univserse? :)
[13:35] <pksato> universe.
[13:35] <deshipu> mythos: it is a very important argument, when you are building something like that and want to sell it
[13:35] <mythos> ms created the winrt api, because they can't port their code to other platforms
[13:36] <mythos> s/platforms/architectures/
[13:36] <mythos> deshipu, i'm not selling anything
[13:36] <deshipu> mythos: what they can't do, a bunch of teenage hackers with too much time on their hands can :)
[13:36] <mythos> sure~
[13:37] <deshipu> seriously, just imagine what would happen if they released the sources of win95 today
[13:37] <mythos> and even then, it can't run x86 binaries
[13:37] <mythos> so there is no point anyway
[13:37] <mythos> nothing
[13:37] <mythos> it's outdated crap
[13:38] <mlelstv> wasn't (part of) the win95 source lost?
[13:38] <deshipu> we would have it running on everything in half a year
[13:38] <deshipu> and since it's outdated, they wouldn't lose anything
[13:39] <mythos> you don't hava a clue, what you are talking about
[13:39] <mlelstv> people would ask for win95 compatibility in win10
[13:39] <mythos> there is no value to run win95 on the toaster
[13:39] <deshipu> mythos: ad hominem much?
[13:40] <deshipu> mythos: sure there is -- because you can!
[13:40] <deshipu> people don't do things for the monetary value
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[13:41] <mythos> no, that's just my impression. if you don't have any other arguments then to point out some discussion tactics, then you don't have a argument
[13:41] <mythos> deshipu, one toaster is not everywhere
[13:42] <deshipu> mythos: you are right, I don't have an argument, you won the discussion, congratulations
[13:43] <mythos> i did know that already. but thanks
[13:43] <mlelstv> you can win discussions?
[13:43] <mythos> small ones
[13:44] <deshipu> mlelstv: yes, you can tell when nobody wants to talk to you anymore
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[13:46] <mlelstv> you can still converse with yourself
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[13:47] <deshipu> mlelstv: but then every time you win, you also lose :P
[13:47] <mlelstv> nah, the other one loses :)
[13:47] <mlelstv> but no, you cannot win a discussion.
[13:47] <deshipu> you can "win"
[13:48] <deshipu> I mean, the discussion is already pointless when you are trying to win it
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[13:48] <deshipu> instead of learning somehting
[13:48] <mlelstv> you can win a dispute. but a discussion has no winner and no loser
[13:49] <deshipu> so, anyways, anybody used the Servo Blaster for the pi, and knows if you can increase its accuracy?
[13:50] <mlelstv> that's software PWM ?
[13:50] <deshipu> well, "software"
[13:50] <deshipu> it uses DMA
[13:50] <deshipu> so not that bad
[13:50] <mlelstv> if it's the one I remember, it should be precise.
[13:51] <deshipu> I can set the pulse width in increments of 10µs
[13:51] <deshipu> trying to set the step to lower results in an error
[13:52] <mlelstv> the pulse widths are clocked by PWM or PCM. right?
[13:52] <deshipu> from the manual: "
[13:52] <deshipu> The driver works by setting up a linked list of DMA control blocks with the
[13:52] <deshipu> last one linked back to the first, so once initialised the DMA controller
[13:52] <deshipu> cycles round continuously and the driver does not need to get involved except
[13:52] <deshipu> when a pulse width needs to be changed."
[13:53] <mlelstv> yes, every time slot has two control blocks. One that setting GPIO pins and one that is just waiting for either a PWM or PCM interval to end.
[13:54] <deshipu> so the 10µs step is the limitation of rpi's pwm?
[13:55] <mlelstv> hmm
[13:56] <mlelstv> I don't think so
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[13:58] <mlelstv> -step-size=Nus Pulse width increment step size in microseconds,
[13:58] <mlelstv> default 10us
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[14:00] <mlelstv> the major problem might be that the precision of the step size is lmited too.
[14:00] <mlelstv> limited
[14:02] <mlelstv> what precision do you require?
[14:02] <deshipu> most drivers usually have 4µs precision
[14:02] <deshipu> that would be nice to have
[14:03] <deshipu> hmm
[14:03] <deshipu> funny
[14:03] <deshipu> I can set it to 4us now
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[14:03] <deshipu> previously when I tried it, it said "invalid step size"
[14:03] <deshipu> sorry for the noise
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[14:04] <mlelstv> would be interesting to know if it really does 4us
[14:05] <deshipu> let me hook up a servo
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[14:06] <deshipu> it seems to work
[14:07] <mlelstv> the deviation is probably too small to be recognized
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[14:07] <mlelstv> or rather, the servo doesn't care.
[14:08] <deshipu> right, it has a dead band
[14:08] <mlelstv> does it accept fractional step sizes?
[14:08] <deshipu> however, you can tell the difference in the smoothness of its motion when you drive it continously
[14:08] <deshipu> no
[14:08] <deshipu> that's why you need to set the step
[14:09] <mlelstv> does -step-size=0.5us work?
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[14:10] <deshipu> "Invalid step-size specified
[14:10] <deshipu> "
[14:10] <deshipu> nope
[14:11] <deshipu> but maybe 500ns would work
[14:11] <mlelstv> no idea
[14:11] <deshipu> nope
[14:11] <deshipu> so the smallest you can do is 1us
[14:11] <mlelstv> then 1us is the minimum :)
[14:12] <deshipu> 4us is fine for me
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[15:01] <netsrot> Hi, how do I get minimal delay in omxplayer when watching livestream?
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[15:03] <netsrot> I'm only streaming from a local computer to the pi2b.
[15:04] <netsrot> and I get 7-12secs delay.
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[15:22] <t3chguy> netsrot: lower the buffering time if possible (not sure if omxplayer supports this)
[15:22] <t3chguy> or buffer size
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[15:26] <netsrot> I tried changing audio/video-queue but it doesn't seems to do anything.
[15:27] <netsrot> which I think is for the buffer size and I also changed the bitrate on the stream server and that doesn't change anything either.
[15:29] <netsrot> gtg thanks anyhow.
[15:29] <netsrot> I should probably try moonlight.
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[15:32] <grindhold> hi, raspberry-community: today was the official launch of my kickstarter campaign for PinMagic, a code generator and prototyping tool for your RaspberryPi. I hope you like it:
[15:33] <grindhold> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/190617297/pinmagic
[15:33] <grindhold> if you have any questions, qry me
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[15:35] <chesty> code generator?
[15:36] <grindhold> chesty: yes. you click together digital circuits in a UI environment. on the press of a button your circuit compiles down to python which you can deploy on your raspi
[15:37] <ali1234> the voiceover on your video is too quiet
[15:38] <chesty> grindhold: cool
[15:38] <ali1234> you should generate C code and an executable
[15:39] <ali1234> it's far more efficient for GPIO
[15:39] <grindhold> ali1234: basically my prototype is modular enough to support compiling to other languages
[15:40] <ali1234> how complex can it get?
[15:40] <grindhold> ali1234: as i tell in the stretchgoals, i theoretically plan to support more platforms like arduino e.t.c in the future. another raspi-compiletarget is similar to implementing such an alternative platform
[15:40] <grindhold> ali1234: how complex the circuits can get?
[15:40] <grindhold> depends on your ram ;)
[15:40] <ali1234> seems like you're essentially using the pi as a FPGA
[15:41] <grindhold> of course pinmagic will not be able to overcome the raspberryPIs native limitations
[15:41] <ali1234> which is actually kind of neat
[15:41] <ali1234> sure, that's why i suggested to compile to C
[15:41] <ali1234> you'll be able to do a lot more complex things that way
[15:41] <ali1234> and faster response
[15:42] <ali1234> for that matter you could go straight to VHDL
[15:42] <grindhold> ali1234: yes i could.
[15:43] <ali1234> and normally i'd say "just use a FPGA" but in this case that's not easy since the hardware is expensive and the software is hard to use and often not available for linux
[15:43] <grindhold> ali1234: as i said. in theory pinmagic is modular enough to support a myriad of compile-targets
[15:43] <ali1234> can the user design their own parts?
[15:43] <ali1234> like can i make a 74 logic library?
[15:44] <ali1234> and then make higher level parts using that library?
[15:44] <grindhold> ali1234: aah i thought of a node that's logic you can define yourself
[15:44] <grindhold> in the form of code that you writ
[15:44] <grindhold> *write
[15:44] <ali1234> yes, exactly
[15:44] <ali1234> well, if you can generate the code then you can design the parts with the tool itself
[15:45] <grindhold> ali1234: if the program is done, it will be GPL, so afterwards there will be no limitations on how people expand pinmagic anyways :)
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[15:46] <grindhold> this feature is not planned for the first release, but it's very possible i or someone else will do it in the future
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[15:49] <ali1234> seems like a good idea anyway
[15:50] <ali1234> there's a real lack of easy to use logic design tools
[15:51] <mlelstv> design isn't easy
[15:51] <mlelstv> but there several tools
[15:51] <grindhold> ali1234: i wouldn't say that, but there is a lack of tools that communicate with the outside world.
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[15:51] <grindhold> either they are enterprise grade and expensive as heck, or they are only simulators for people to learn
[15:51] <ali1234> there's a lot of tools but they are all hard to use... and yes they don't talk to the outside
[15:51] <grindhold> pinmagic would close this niche
[15:52] <ali1234> many tools can't decide if they want to simulate electronics or logic
[15:52] <ali1234> and end up failing at both
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[15:53] <mlelstv> yes, haven't seen anything that actually emulates the circuit.
[15:53] <grindhold> pinmagic knows it wants to do logic. and it will do logic :)
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[16:03] <grindhold> so everyone. if you like pinmagic. pledge and tell a friend :) i am ready for questions in qry anytime, but it may take some time for me to answer
[16:03] <grindhold> thank you
[16:06] <gordonDrogon> afternoon...
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[16:10] <yehnan> gordonDrogon: goodnight
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[16:15] <t3chguy> gordonDrogon: any news on your Zero from Pimoroni?
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[16:17] <gordonDrogon> nothing. no news. nothing )-:
[16:18] <gordonDrogon> I suspect they're working flat-out right now though, so I'll pester them in the new year is still nothing.
[16:22] <t3chguy> well that sucks
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[18:31] <PiGuy> Hello, How can I just get the number of free bytes on my raspberry pi?
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[18:31] <PiGuy> I ONLY want the number of free bytes
[18:31] <PiGuy> when I run df I get a whole termial window of numbers
[18:32] <PiGuy> I just want the free bytes one
[18:32] <Swensson> fdisk -l and you'll see how much free bytes of every hdd I think
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[18:32] <PiGuy> Swensson: Does a USB SD Card count as a HDD?
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[18:33] <Swensson> PiGuy: No I don't think so, but I think you can view the used and free bytes of the installed medium
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[18:35] <PiGuy> Swensson: Great so the SD Card won't be in the number. I will test fdisk -l
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[18:39] <PiGuy> The command needs a partition
[18:39] <PiGuy> Swensson: ^^
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[18:43] <Swensson> Piguy, oh isnt fdisk -l displaying the current disk info? :O....
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[18:47] <irc_smirk> hi
[18:48] <PiGuy> Swensson: It doesn't do anything when I type "fdisk -l"
[18:48] <PiGuy> irc_smirk: Hi
[18:48] <Swensson> What os are you running on the PI?
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[18:49] <irc_smirk> ;
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[18:49] <irc_smirk> if anyone is interested
[18:49] <PiGuy> Swensson: Raspbian
[18:49] <irc_smirk> there is a pretty good home home network pluralsight course i am subscribed to
[18:50] <irc_smirk> with raspberry pi
[18:50] <irc_smirk> http://app.pluralsight.com/training/player?course=raspberry-pi-home-server&author=mel-grubb&name=raspberry-pi-home-server-m1&clip=0&mode=live
[18:50] <PiGuy> irc_smirk: Nice
[18:50] <irc_smirk> you can get a free pluralsight account for 6 months from microsoft righ tnow
[18:50] <irc_smirk> no strings attachd
[18:50] <irc_smirk> no cc etc
[18:50] <PiGuy> great
[18:50] <Swensson> ah nice thanks for the tip irc_smirk
[18:51] <Swensson> btw PiGuy, try df -Bm or only df, that should give you some info
[18:51] <irc_smirk> details here. not my blog . http://www.troyhunt.com/2015/12/get-more-awesome-pluralsight-content.html
[18:52] <PiGuy> Swensson: df gives all the information, like allocated bytes, free bytes, used, etc
[18:52] <PiGuy> Swensson: fdisk -Bm?
[18:52] <Swensson> Okej, well I got no clue how to ONLY display free size, "df -BM"
[18:53] <Swensson> "my preference. df -h (human readable) will give you an easier to read output (Kilobytes, Megabytes, Gigabytes), assuming you don't need one of the other specialized formats."
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[18:54] <gordonDrogon> PiGuy, is 'df' not giving you what you want?
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[18:57] <filthy_peasant> hi
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[18:59] <filthy_peasant> i'm very new to raspberry pi and i have some stupid questions to ask. i was tryign to configure wifi but the screen resolution is so zoomed in that i cannot view the whole screen to change options for wifi config
[18:59] <PiGuy> gordonDrogon: It is giving me what I want but not in the right format. You see I need to be able to get only the free bytes number.
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[18:59] <filthy_peasant> how do i zoom out
[18:59] <PiGuy> gordonDrogon: I don't want the other stuff.
[19:00] <Swensson> PiGuy, do some bash scripting to to df command and output it to an .txt file and read the only free bytes? Does the trick but i guess there are more simpel ways to get it done I guess
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[19:01] <gordonDrogon> PiGuy, ok - 40 years of *nix to the rescue... you want the root filing system: df / then you want the last line: tail -1 then you want the 4th field: awk '{print $4}
[19:01] <gordonDrogon> put them together and: df / | tail -1 | awk '{print $4}'
[19:02] <filthy_peasant> :\
[19:02] <methuzla> oh yeah, awk, i was using cut
[19:02] <methuzla> df /dev/root | tail -1 | cut -c33-43
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[19:03] <mlelstv> and use df -P
[19:03] <Swensson> Or do what GordonDrogon said, that seems legit ;O
[19:04] <methuzla> yeah, use the awk approach
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[19:06] <gordonDrogon> awk fell out of fashion when perl came along ...
[19:06] <filthy_peasant> so... screen size >_> ...
[19:06] <gordonDrogon> PiGuy, does that work for you?
[19:06] <mlelstv> awk is a bazillion times faster than perl for simple things
[19:06] <filthy_peasant> how do i reduce it :\
[19:07] <gordonDrogon> filthy_peasant, if you're using a HDMI VDU of some sort then it's possible tha the Pi isn't reading it's ID correctly and setting the wrong resolution.
[19:07] <filthy_peasant> i am using hdmi
[19:07] <filthy_peasant> my usual screen doesnt work at all
[19:07] <filthy_peasant> 7" screen plug in says no video feed
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[19:07] <filthy_peasant> so i'm using hdmi tv
[19:07] <filthy_peasant> hdmi output to tv
[19:08] <gordonDrogon> the hdmi screen needs to be turned on before the Pi for the Pi to recognise it.
[19:08] <gordonDrogon> my screens have more or less just worked, so its not an area I've spent much time with.
[19:08] <filthy_peasant> i think it was turned on, but i'll double check that next time
[19:08] <gordonDrogon> https://www.raspberrypi.org/documentation/configuration/config-txt.md
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[19:08] <filthy_peasant> so you're saying it should auto configure to the correct size if the tv is turned on?
[19:08] <gordonDrogon> that page has some stuff - assuming you can edit the config.txt file.
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[19:09] <gordonDrogon> it should - yes - but it needs the TV to supply the correct information to the Pi - it appears that some don't.
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[19:11] <filthy_peasant> so i guess i could manually chnage the aspect ratio
[19:11] <filthy_peasant> it looks like it is usually 4:3
[19:11] <filthy_peasant> but it can be changed to other settings
[19:11] <filthy_peasant> i'm guessing that'd be sdtv aspect
[19:11] <filthy_peasant> ?
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[19:13] <filthy_peasant> oh no... i guess sd is not hdmi
[19:13] <filthy_peasant> never mind
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[19:37] <PiGuy> gordonDrogon: Thanks, Unfortunatly I cannot find the | symbol on my Raspberry PI :/
[19:37] <PiGuy> *Unfortunately
[19:38] <abnormal> the "pipe"?
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[19:38] <PiGuy> abnormal: Yes
[19:38] <abnormal> it's usually above the backslash
[19:39] <Mr_Sheesh> try a usb keyboard?
[19:39] <abnormal> have to press shift and backslah
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[19:39] <abnormal> have to press shift and backslash
[19:39] <Mr_Sheesh> (or any other keyboard) - Yep Shift-\
[19:40] <abnormal> unless the pi configured the keyboard incorrectly during boot
[19:40] <PiGuy> Mr_Sheesh: I am using a USB Keyboard
[19:40] <PiGuy> I typed that | myself but I can't do it on the Pi
[19:40] <PiGuy> abnormal: My local is set for EU_GB somthing
[19:41] <PiGuy> abnormal: It won't let me change in in startX
[19:41] <abnormal> try raspi-config and reconfig the keyboard
[19:41] <abnormal> go to terminal and key in sudo raspi-config
[19:42] <shinji257> Yea. For some reason many images default to the UK layout.
[19:43] <abnormal> yup have to reconfigure it
[19:43] <shinji257> If you do a raspi-config and change the keyboard to the correct region then you should be fine after that.
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[19:43] <shinji257> I remember when I hit that for the first time. >.>
[19:43] <abnormal> me too, lol
[19:43] <abnormal> took me a while to figgure it out
[19:43] <PiGuy> abnormal: Me too lol, about 6 - 5 years ago
[19:44] <PiGuy> good times
[19:44] <abnormal> yup sure is
[19:44] <PiGuy> :) and that ~
[19:44] <shinji257> lol
[19:44] <PiGuy> I tapped that my self, and I'd do it again
[19:44] <PiGuy> ~
[19:45] <abnormal> lol, me too.. I go... what the heck??? lol
[19:45] <PiGuy> B)
[19:45] <PiGuy> I will try to not boot into desktop and try to reconfigure the keyboard
[19:46] <abnormal> ok good luck.. be patient
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[19:51] <RadarG> Hello
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[19:53] <abnormal> hello
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[19:58] <RadarG> I have weird issue. I have a raspberrypi plugged into a powered use
[19:59] <abnormal> use?
[19:59] <abnormal> or USB?
[19:59] <RadarG> Hub however when I plug in the drive I hear a climbing sound but I can plug in the drive into a Windows system and I can see the drive
[19:59] <RadarG> Clicking sound
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[20:00] <abnormal> ahh, ok, not enuf power to the drive...
[20:00] <abnormal> that's why it clicked
[20:00] <RadarG> I have a keyboard plugged in and it works fine
[20:01] <abnormal> you need separate PSU for the hard drive
[20:01] <RadarG> It doesn't have one it is a portable us. 3.0 drive
[20:01] <daveake> Yes, this is not weird at all. Drives need more power.
[20:02] <mlelstv> what hub is this?
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[20:02] <RadarG> What sec I have to look it up
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[20:03] <Jakdaw> Do I need a licence for hardware MJPEG decoding?
[20:03] <RadarG> http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B016W62YHC?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00
[20:03] <RadarG> This o e
[20:04] <RadarG> This one
[20:04] <mlelstv> http://www.amazon.com/Belkin-High-Speed-Slim-Line-Stackable-F5U237V1/dp/B000ESN9GA
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[20:05] <RadarG> It makes no sense
[20:06] <RadarG> Is that one a better hub
[20:06] <mlelstv> it's an older hub, but that's the one I use and it works.
[20:07] <mlelstv> it powers an RPI2 and a portable USB disk (+keyboard+mouse)
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[20:08] <RadarG> It's weird when I plug in the hub to the pi. It powers the pi. But I can not power a small drive
[20:09] <mlelstv> that's most probably because almost no portable USB drive follows USB specs.
[20:09] <shinji257> Umm... What is the brand of the drive?
[20:09] <RadarG> Toshiba
[20:10] <mlelstv> do you use a Y-cable ?
[20:10] <daveake> The Pi uses less power than the drive uses during startup
[20:11] <mlelstv> hmm. USB3.0 drive you said?
[20:11] <RadarG> It's a 500GB DTD205 it says 5V 1.0 A
[20:11] <daveake> Which is > USB spec
[20:11] <mlelstv> well, > USB2, but not > USB3.
[20:11] <RadarG> USB 3.0
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[20:12] <RadarG> So do I need to stick with 2.0 drives
[20:12] <abnormal> RadarG, always use a powered USB hub... about a 2 amp one...
[20:12] <mlelstv> well, RPI doesn't do USB3
[20:13] <RadarG> Shouldn't it be backwards compat
[20:13] <abnormal> it should be
[20:13] <mlelstv> could also be an USB3 issue. The "host" (==RPI) is only USB2 and the hub might have a problem. There are still lots of bugs in USB3 world
[20:13] <abnormal> but as I said, use a powered USB hub
[20:14] <mlelstv> didn't he say it's a powered USB hub? :)
[20:14] <daveake> he said it is powered
[20:14] <abnormal> but how much tho?
[20:14] <daveake> 2A
[20:14] <mlelstv> that might be another issue.
[20:14] <abnormal> ok.. sorry
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[20:15] <abnormal> one thing you could try is leave the hard drive plugged in and reboot so the kernels will load the drivers in to use it
[20:16] <PiGuy> Hey guys
[20:16] <abnormal> wb, PiGuy
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[20:17] <PiGuy> Could I run the line "df / | tail -1 | awk '{print $4}'" with a python program , and save the result in a .txt file?
[20:17] <PiGuy> abnormal: Thanks
[20:18] <abnormal> yw
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[20:18] <abnormal> that question is beyond me, PiGuy ... you may want to ask niston
[20:19] <PiGuy> abnormal: Alright I will, thanks
[20:19] <abnormal> yw
[20:19] <abnormal> sorry
[20:19] <PiGuy> niston: Could I run the line "df / | tail -1 | awk '{print $4}'" with a python program , and save the result in a .txt file?
[20:19] <PiGuy> abnormal: NP
[20:20] <niston> PiGuy: this might help you http://stackoverflow.com/questions/4760215/running-shell-command-from-python-and-capturing-the-output
[20:21] <abnormal> ty, niston
[20:21] <niston> o/
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[20:22] <PiGuy> Thanks niston :)
[20:22] <abnormal> I knew you wud come up with supin, niston
[20:23] <niston> :)
[20:24] <abnormal> niston, how are your projects progressing?
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[20:25] <abnormal> have you marketed any of your inventions yet, niston ???
[20:26] <niston> not progressing much
[20:26] <abnormal> awww, sorry
[20:26] <niston> well there's still the thing going on with modernized vintage b&o stereo systems
[20:26] <abnormal> must be you very busy at your new job, eh?
[20:26] <niston> but other then that I'm quite busy at work yeah
[20:27] <abnormal> I see.. cool... at least you are busy and happy
[20:27] <niston> grrr. I'm trying to buy a stock
[20:27] <abnormal> lol
[20:27] <niston> and the bank doesnt let me cuz I "lack the required contracts"
[20:27] <abnormal> I don't get into that
[20:28] <abnormal> stocks are not my thing cuz I don't have that ability
[20:28] <niston> I use them mostly to upgrade my creditworthyness with the bank
[20:28] <niston> some also as a long term investment
[20:28] <niston> such as PEPSI
[20:28] <abnormal> I see, cool
[20:29] <niston> not into daytrading or any somesuch
[20:29] <abnormal> I drink Pepsi, lol
[20:29] <niston> good boy ;)
[20:29] <abnormal> lol
[20:29] * niston pats abnormal
[20:29] <abnormal> ty
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[20:29] <abnormal> slowly eating my guts out
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[20:32] <niston> hehe
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[20:45] <abnormal> just ate a doughnut, yuk
[20:45] <abnormal> ooie gooie yuk
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[21:19] <fish0> anyone successfully got the barebones tutorial from osdev (http://wiki.osdev.org/ARM_RaspberryPi_Tutorial_C) to work?
[21:20] <fish0> I’m not seeing anything come over serial…
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[21:21] <r_02> Gents. I put Ubuntu mate on my pi. Set up ssh. Disabled screen saver.
[21:21] <r_02> Enabled it to auto log me into desktop
[21:21] <r_02> How ever I cannot sudo anymore.
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[21:22] <r_02> It ask for my password which it doesn't accept.
[21:22] <r_02> However I can log in ssh using my passowrd
[21:23] <shinji257> Is your username part of the sudo group?
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[21:23] <r_02> It was.
[21:24] <r_02> It was the user made during setup.
[21:24] <shinji257> Ahh
[21:24] <r_02> I was able to sudo update/uograde
[21:24] <shinji257> Weird. Normally when you sudo it is the currently logged on users password (assuming they are in the group/file)
[21:24] <shinji257> I don't know why it would be denying the password.
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[21:25] <abnormal> try sudo su
[21:26] <r_02> Like I said I am connected via ssh ATM and attempted to sudo update which it didn't ask for the password but still update ran
[21:27] <r_02> Just attempted sudo su at the pi and no luck
[21:27] <deshipu> it's the lego for grownups
[21:27] <abnormal> try just su?
[21:28] <r_02> Ask for pass
[21:28] <shinji257> su will be asking for the root password
[21:29] <r_02> Never setup
[21:29] <abnormal> well when you do just su and enter the pw,, then do sudo, will it work then?
[21:31] <r_02> I'm in ssh
[21:31] <shinji257> Doing sudo as root is pointless as it doesn't prompt in that case. >.<
[21:31] <r_02> Typed su and got root
[21:31] <r_02> Passwd
[21:31] <r_02> Set pass
[21:31] <r_02> At pi I su
[21:31] <r_02> Ask for root pass
[21:31] <r_02> Doesn't accept the password
[21:32] <abnormal> hmmm... okay, ask for niston ...
[21:32] <abnormal> he knows everything
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[21:33] <abnormal> he will get you outta the rut..
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[21:35] <r_02> Good to know. I think I got it.
[21:35] <r_02> Its probably my keyboard
[21:35] <abnormal> congrats
[21:35] * LikeVinyl is now known as zeropel0
[21:35] <r_02> Using num keys it doesn't like
[21:36] <abnormal> lol, that will do it
[21:36] <abnormal> happens to me a lot...
[21:36] <r_02> I typed the password into a text doc and copied into term and it works
[21:36] <abnormal> cool
[21:36] <abnormal> great
[21:36] <r_02> Num lock is on and functional
[21:36] <abnormal> lol
[21:37] <r_02> I have to enter the password using the numbers above qwerty or else won't work...
[21:37] <r_02> Crazzy
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[21:41] <abnormal> yup, sorry for confusion...
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[21:48] <shinji257> It seems niston fixes all.
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[21:49] <r_02> He must be a badass
[21:49] <r_02> Oops I don't think curse words are allowed. My bad.
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[21:52] <PiGuy> Hello
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[21:54] <warpie> hello
[21:54] <warpie> how is all?
[21:54] <r_02> Good
[21:54] <warpie> good... glad you got one issue fixed
[21:55] <warpie> wow, 528 nicks in here
[21:55] <warpie> and only 2 ops
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[21:56] <PiGuy> Hello, What should I but into path for statvfs()? I want to get the system memory information
[21:57] <r_02> I wouldn't know.
[21:58] <warpie> what OS you using PiGuy?
[21:58] <warpie> and what client?
[21:58] <PiGuy> warpie: Raspbian Wheezy
[21:59] <PiGuy> warpie: What do you mean by client? I am using C++ for the programming
[21:59] <warpie> in term use inxi -m
[21:59] <PiGuy> warpie: What is term?
[21:59] <warpie> or inxi -S
[21:59] <warpie> terminal
[22:00] <PiGuy> warpie: Oh alright
[22:00] <warpie> open up the terminal
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[22:00] <warpie> client I meant which chat app you using.
[22:01] <warpie> this is my pi...
[22:01] <warpie> Sysinfo for 'lappypi': Linux 4.1.6+ running , CPU: ARMv6-compatibleprocessorrev7(v6l) at 0 MHz (0 bogomips), HD: 3/7GB, RAM: 254/434MB, 97 proc's, 2.42h up
[22:01] <warpie> very fast at 0 MHz..... lol
[22:02] <PiGuy> warpie: Oh I am using my Windows PC on webchat.freenode.net
[22:02] <warpie> ahh, ok...
[22:03] <warpie> then I don't know about that...
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[22:03] <warpie> but in terminal should come up with the info
[22:03] <warpie> there are many more... you could key in inxi help
[22:04] <warpie> or inxi -h
[22:04] <PiGuy> alright, thanks warpie :)
[22:05] <warpie> yw
[22:05] <r_02> What's difference in sudo bash, sudi -I, or su.
[22:06] <warpie> that I don't know.. but su is password request
[22:07] <r_02> Weird
[22:07] <warpie> yeh takes a lot of learning..
[22:07] <r_02> Every way gets me root in term
[22:07] <warpie> even I don't know much
[22:12] <r_02> Yeah I used Linux more since I bought the pi than the entire time of my life of computer use before the pi
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[22:13] <warpie> me too.. I now have 6 pi's and one BBB
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[22:15] <r_02> BBB?
[22:15] <r_02> I have two pi. Bought one and secret Santa give me the other
[22:15] <warpie> beaglebone black
[22:15] <r_02> Ah.
[22:15] <warpie> nice... you lucky
[22:16] <r_02> Both are the 2 b model
[22:16] <warpie> nice
[22:16] <warpie> mine are all versions...
[22:16] <r_02> I want to get more but idk what for :P
[22:16] <warpie> only one model b-2
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[22:16] <warpie> lol
[22:16] <warpie> play with them
[22:17] <r_02> I seen on Adifruit charger boards
[22:17] <warpie> I didn't have any clue what Linux was until I grabbed the 1st pi..
[22:17] <r_02> Someone here was talking about it I think it was PiGuy
[22:18] <r_02> My grandpa was into Linux so I had heard about it since such a long time ago
[22:18] <warpie> after I had my 1st pi, boy, did I get rid of windows fast!!!
[22:18] <r_02> I can't do that
[22:18] <r_02> Lol
[22:18] <warpie> you were lucky
[22:19] <r_02> I knew of Linux but didn't use and hated it
[22:19] <PiGuy> =09km .nnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnk'\'m,.
[22:19] <PiGuy> \ ,.-----
[22:19] <warpie> all my lappys and desktops are all Linux...
[22:19] <warpie> PiGuy: nice show...
[22:20] <r_02> I enjoy my gaming to much
[22:20] <warpie> go for it
[22:20] <r_02> I guess I could get Linux versions of games
[22:20] <r_02> Or emulate exe
[22:20] <warpie> yes there's lots of them now
[22:21] <r_02> Lol
[22:21] <warpie> my main distros are Linux Mint Mate
[22:21] <r_02> Seen a joke once about windows and linux
[22:21] <fish0> anyone here have experience getting the pi to run baremetal code?
[22:21] <fish0> I’ve been trying for a few days now and can’t get mine to run anything
[22:21] <warpie> my second rated distro is Ubuntu and third is LXLE
[22:22] <r_02> About games. Windows wife was gaming with Linux and the joke was Linux had no games so windows wife was sleeping with linux
[22:22] <warpie> lol
[22:22] <r_02> I am running Ubuntu Mate on my pi's
[22:22] <warpie> me too on my b-2
[22:23] <warpie> fish0: I don't know about that, but niston would prolly know
[22:24] <fish0> thanks!
[22:24] <warpie> sorry, fish0
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[22:24] <fish0> no problem
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[22:27] <fish0> Ispira I noticed you were working on writing an OS, do you have any ideas?
[22:27] <Ispira> fish0: If you saw the links I sent this morning that's the best thing I can give you
[22:28] <fish0> the osdev ones?
[22:28] <Ispira> there were a couple, one minute
[22:28] <fish0> I’ve tried the basic walkthrough there, but can’t actually get it to run on the pi
[22:28] <warpie> ahh.. ok
[22:29] <Ispira> fish0: the osdev links, this https://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/projects/raspberrypi/tutorials/os/ and this http://raspberrypi.stackexchange.com/questions/10489/how-does-raspberry-pi-boot
[22:29] <Ispira> the first answer of that last one
[22:29] <Ispira> has some good info and links
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[22:30] <fish0> thanks, that looks super useful!
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[22:31] <Ispira> np
[22:32] <fish0> have you gotten the basic example from osdev to run?
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[22:32] <fish0> I’m pretty sure I’m following the directions correctly, and those links seem to confirm that (have all the right files on the sd card, etc.)
[22:33] <fish0> but I’m not getting anything over serial when I boot it
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[22:34] <fish0> I also tried to just light the green LED but that didn’t work either
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[22:37] <warpie> try doing the set up with a monitor and kybd... after you confirm it, then try it ssh...
[22:39] <fish0> warpie: you mean with raspian?
[22:40] <fish0> everything seems to work fine with raspian over serial
[22:40] <fish0> it’s just when I try to run boot something else that it doesn't
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[22:45] <r_02> Is there a RPI like solution that'll run windows?
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[22:46] <Ispira> I don't kn ow anything with GPIO pins off hand
[22:46] <Ispira> but there are small x86-based based systems that are similar size
[22:47] <Ispira> fish0: I haven't gotten the chance to get serial stuff going yet, I believe someone else had it running on a QEMU machine though
[22:47] <r_02> I don't do anything with the pins. ATM I just using pi to lesrn linux
[22:48] <fish0> ahh I got one of the examples from https://github.com/dwelch67/raspberrypi to work!
[22:49] <fish0> still can’t get the LED to light though
[22:49] <fish0> does the B+ not have an LED on GPIO 16?
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[22:49] <warpie> yes, fish0
[22:50] <fish0> warpie, yes it does or yes it doesn’t?
[22:50] <warpie> yes, I would do it in raspbian
[22:50] <fish0> ah gotcha
[22:50] <fish0> I already had raspbian working, but thanks
[22:50] <warpie> then after you get it to work properly then ssh it
[22:51] <warpie> ok
[22:51] <H__> fish0: cool project
[22:52] <fish0> to any wondering, it seems that gpio16 is not connected to anything on the B+, but was on earlier models
[22:52] <fish0> *facepalm*
[22:52] <warpie> lol
[22:53] <warpie> yes there is a big difference
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[22:54] <fish0> oops
[22:54] <fish0> I was looking at on original pinout this whole time
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[22:55] <warpie> yup... most ppl over look that
[22:56] <gordonDrogon> fish0, yes - 16 was the OK or ACT LED on the early Pi's. It's 47 on later ones...
[22:57] <fish0> gordonDrogon: thanks
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[22:58] <gordonDrogon> you can check when running Linux by: cat /proc/cmdline and looking for bcm2708.disk_led_gpio=47 also look for bcm2708.disk_led_active_low=0 - this could be 1.
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[23:22] <[Saint]> Hmmmm...
[23:23] <[Saint]> raspbian-ua-netinst does its kernel naming a really stupid way.
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[23:24] <[Saint]> it is hardcoded in /boot/config.txt as something other than kernel.img (I have no idea why), so even if you install the raspberrypi-bootloader package, and do a rpi-update, you still won't actually get the foundation kernel.
[23:24] <[Saint]> you have to go in and fix it up manually, IFF it even boots, because the firmware and kernel may missmatch and just plain panic on boot.
[23:25] <[Saint]> this madness could be solved entirely if the default kernel used by raspbian-ua-netinst was named kernel.img, even if it was hardcoded.
[23:25] <[Saint]> there's no obvious reason to do it the way it is done.
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[23:47] <irc_smirk> i need help getting a b+ up and runnig
[23:47] <Ispira> what'ya need irc_smirk ?
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[23:48] <irc_smirk> first off i want to run it headless. and i want it to run docker
[23:48] <warpie> [Saint]: what is the command to apt-get inxi?
[23:48] <irc_smirk> but before i get that advanced i will do standard install to get a feel for it
[23:48] <irc_smirk> so first questino, do i do wheezy or jessie?
[23:49] <sedition> i'd use jessie, and just install docker from the repo
[23:49] <t3chguy> irc_smirk: jessie
[23:49] <t3chguy> no point going for outdated spec
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[23:49] <irc_smirk> not sure why its still on raspberrypi.org
[23:49] <irc_smirk> ok so full or lite? lite is without all the scratch and minecraft stuff?
[23:49] <t3chguy> for people that want to fix existing wheezy builds maybe, or for software that never got ported to jessie
[23:49] <t3chguy> lite has no desktop environment
[23:49] <t3chguy> its simply command line
[23:50] <[Saint]> warpie: 'apt-get install inxi'
[23:50] <t3chguy> (you CAN install a desktop environment)
[23:50] <[Saint]> warpie: (apt-cache search is your friend)
[23:50] <pksato> full need 8GB sd card.
[23:50] <irc_smirk> ill do full
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[23:50] <irc_smirk> i have 2 sd cards to play with
[23:50] <t3chguy> for most customizeability, it's best to go for lite and install just the things you need
[23:51] <t3chguy> so you don't have any additional vanilla bloat
[23:51] <t3chguy> but for simplicity, full is easiest
[23:51] <warpie> ok, ty [Saint]
[23:51] <irc_smirk> well ultimately i want to run docker with lots of specialized web hosted images
[23:51] <[Saint]> full might be easiest, but, you don't want to have several GB of packages you're literally never going to use.
[23:51] <t3chguy> irc_smirk: would you NEED a desktop environment?
[23:52] <t3chguy> I'd say it'd be pointless overhead
[23:52] <[Saint]> anyone even remotely competent probably wants a base install.
[23:52] <t3chguy> and as [Saint] said, its very bloated
[23:52] <[Saint]> raspbian-ua-netinst is decent.
[23:52] <[Saint]> but it has some fundamental issues.
[23:52] <irc_smirk> worse case i just pay best buy another $12 adn get a new 32 gig sd card!
[23:52] <t3chguy> I run Ubuntu Mate on my RPi2, and Raspian Lite on my RPi0
[23:52] <t3chguy> running on 64GB and 8GB SD Cards respectively
[23:52] <[Saint]> nothing anyone can't get out of with ease, though, if they're comfortable in a cli env.
[23:53] <[Saint]> even raspbian 'lite' is rather bloated compared to many of the other minimal distros out there.
[23:53] <[Saint]> immensely so really.
[23:53] <t3chguy> I'm sure it is, I just installed it to check my RPi0 was at all functional
[23:54] <t3chguy> will be looking into my choices of Distro when my ENC28J60 arrives
[23:54] <irc_smirk> anyone play with this? http://blog.hypriot.com/downloads/
[23:54] <brianx> t3chguy: any recommendations for blogs or tutorials for using Mate? I run Fedora 23 Mate on my pi2.
[23:55] <t3chguy> brianx: I just flashed the image and it worked, you had any issues?
[23:56] <brianx> not issues really. defaults are often a compromise and it'd be nice to get recommendations on how to make things better/easier.
[23:56] <t3chguy> It works pretty well for me
[23:56] <brianx> me as well.
[23:56] <brianx> i just know almost nothing about it.
[23:56] <t3chguy> Though I plug my RPi2 in for like an hour a month
[23:56] <t3chguy> It barely gets used
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[23:57] <brianx> i've been using it to run X over the lan more than anything. too many devices on the big monitor, someone here is always using it.

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