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IRC Log for 2015-12-21

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[0:09] <treeherder> k
[0:09] <treeherder> thanks
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[0:43] <giddles> 16,99eur cost a rpi zero for me :( that are around 12,30 British Pound or 18,47$
[0:44] <Reedy> 12.30 gbp is 16.87
[0:44] <Reedy> barely any cheaper
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[0:44] <Reedy> Oh, you already converted
[0:44] <Reedy> Ignore me, being stupid
[0:44] <giddles> of cause
[0:44] <giddles> np
[0:46] <giddles> in usa and uk they cost around 5$?
[0:46] <giddles> or 3Pound
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[0:47] <Reedy> looks like 4 GBP
[0:47] <Stanto> treeherder: the problem with the apps you mention is they dont use the videocore iirc so its dependent on the slow cpu in the model b
[0:49] <giddles> ok 4gbp
[0:49] <Reedy> 5usd is 3.35 gbp
[0:50] <Reedy> I wonder how it's cheaper to make them in the uk, and ship them to the states to sell them for cheaper than it is in the UK...
[0:50] <Reedy> even if you put us tax ontop
[0:50] <Stanto> if you notice a lot of companies outside of the uk sold it in a bundle
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[0:59] <irc_smirk> highly recommend this http://www.webmin.com/index.html
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[1:35] <irc_smirk> question
[1:36] <irc_smirk> im trying to back up my sd card from raspberry pi back to an img file
[1:36] <irc_smirk> i am on macosx and i typed
[1:36] <irc_smirk> dd if=sd.img of=/dev/disk2 bs=1m
[1:36] <irc_smirk> i get dd: sd.img: No such file or directory
[1:37] <irc_smirk> this is a 32 gig card. will it back up as a 32 gig file?
[1:37] <irc_smirk> i am hardly using 100 meg on the card right now
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[1:51] <irc_smirk> ok lesson learnt. dont buy a 32 gig sd card to run rasp
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[1:57] <BurtyB> irc_smirk, it looks like you have that command the wrong way around if you're trying to create a backup of an SD card
[1:57] <irc_smirk> you are right
[1:58] <irc_smirk> i unmounted the sdcard. how do i get it to show up again
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[1:59] <irc_smirk> ok this worked diskutil mountDisk /dev/disk2
[2:00] <irc_smirk> so im correct in my thikning. to back up this 32gig sd card it will produce a file that is 32gig?
[2:00] <irc_smirk> cant i just copy all the files to a folder?
[2:01] * Nightcinder|CLE is now known as Nightcinder
[2:01] <irc_smirk> i do a 'getinfo' on the volume and its only 60 megs
[2:01] <irc_smirk> thats all i want backedup
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[2:05] <BurtyB> irc_smirk, I woulnd't advise having it mounted when you're copying it. I'd advise looking for a howto on how to backup the SD card from you OS
[2:05] <irc_smirk> yeah ive done that
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[2:05] <irc_smirk> what im getting at is the backup will basically clone the entire 32 gigs
[2:05] <irc_smirk> which i dont want
[2:05] <irc_smirk> so looks like im goign to have to start all over with a 4 gig sd card
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[2:09] <irc_smirk> is that basically it?
[2:09] <irc_smirk> is ther e away to backup the pi wihtout cloning the entire sd card/
[2:11] <chesty> irc_smirk: you can mount then cp -a
[2:11] <chesty> but it will be more than 80M, more like 1G depending on distro
[2:12] <irc_smirk> i mean can it work simpy by copying files from one folder to another?
[2:12] <chesty> yup
[2:12] <irc_smirk> but what about partitiones etc
[2:13] <irc_smirk> like could i zip up my pi install and send it to you that way?
[2:13] <chesty> there are two partitions, back them both up
[2:13] <chesty> yes irc_smirk, the /boot is probably 80M thinking about it
[2:14] <chesty> the / is more like 1G
[2:15] <chesty> you're better off using tar cjf rpi.tbz /media/rpi than cp though
[2:15] <chesty> that's if you mount the second partition of your rpi on /media/rpi
[2:15] <irc_smirk> sorry i dont understand
[2:16] <irc_smirk> when i put my microsd card into my mac
[2:16] <irc_smirk> i get a NONAME volume
[2:16] <irc_smirk> and inside that files and a folder
[2:16] <chesty> that's probably /boot
[2:16] <irc_smirk> that is 80 megs
[2:16] <chesty> yes, that's /boot.
[2:16] <irc_smirk> so wher eis the mystery 1 gig
[2:17] <chesty> say the pi is /dev/disk2 i think you'll have /dev/disk2p1 and /dev/disk2p2
[2:17] <chesty> i'm not sure how the mac does it, but you'll have two partitions, the mac is mounting the first
[2:17] <irc_smirk> this is what i see with diskutil list
[2:17] <irc_smirk> http://i.imgur.com/eI5ynxE.png
[2:17] <chesty> is you run mount | grep disk2 you sould see the device the mac is using
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[2:18] <Ispira> meow
[2:18] <Ispira> setting up my pi to stream games.
[2:18] <irc_smirk> pussy. i wish
[2:18] <chesty> oh, so mount /dev/disk2s2 /media/rpi
[2:18] <chesty> /media/rpi needs to exist
[2:20] <irc_smirk> for what reason
[2:22] <chesty> i mean you can mount the partition anyway on a empty directory. mkdir /Users/irc_smirk/rpi, then mount /dev/disk2s2 /Users/irc_smirk/rpi the name of the directory doesn't matter
[2:22] <chesty> it just has to exist
[2:23] <irc_smirk> to copy the othe rone?
[2:23] <chesty> after you mount it, that you can copy it
[2:23] <chesty> then
[2:24] <irc_smirk> ok, then 2 years from no wwhen i get anew sd card. how do i copy it back
[2:24] <warpie> what's command to change account name?
[2:25] <chesty> dd a new rpi to the card, then mount the second partition the same way, then copy bacl
[2:25] <chesty> back
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[2:26] <irc_smirk> ok
[2:27] <irc_smirk> maybe 2 years from now ill know what the f*ck you are saying lol
[2:28] <irc_smirk> i suck but im learning what i suck at
[2:28] <chesty> how did you make the first sd card?
[2:28] <irc_smirk> with the usual tutorials on instlaling
[2:28] <irc_smirk> i mad emistake of starting with 32 gig
[2:29] <chesty> so you follow them again, then you mount /dev/disk2s2 and copy everything back
[2:29] <irc_smirk> the thing is relaly slow on write. even though its said to be very fast
[2:29] <irc_smirk> yeah i dont understand why that would help it
[2:29] <irc_smirk> who woudl it know that new mount is relaated
[2:30] <chesty> when you mount a sd card, you are reading and writing onto the sd card
[2:30] <irc_smirk> ok thanks im going to table this
[2:31] <irc_smirk> too burnt out
[2:31] <chesty> rodger, time for me to head out too. see ya
[2:31] <irc_smirk> thanks for your time
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[3:50] <Ispira> i fudged up
[3:50] <Ispira> forgot to shrink the free space off my image before i wrote it
[3:50] <Ispira> ran out of disk space on /home on my laptop
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[3:55] <r_02> What are you doing Inspira
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[3:56] <Ispira> snapshotting my rpi
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[4:05] <Ispira> SPiS is getting it's first bit of work done :)
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[4:14] <Chillum> The raspberry pi zero looks so popular you can't get one
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[4:14] <snowkidind> I’m happy. I got a 16x2 LCD, a camera, and wifi all wired and fired today
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[4:15] <snowkidind> http://snowkidind.com/tmp/4.jpg
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[4:16] <Chillum> $5 computer selling for >$40 on ebay
[4:16] <r_02> That looks interesting.
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[4:16] <kd7jwc> snowkidind, thats a healthy sized breadboard
[4:16] <snowkidind> ive used it for other projects
[4:17] <snowkidind> i got a good price and one day bought like ten of them
[4:18] <Chillum> for $5 I would buy 10 too
[4:18] <snowkidind> it was a bit of a challenge to figure out that arduino shield thing but i like it
[4:18] <Chillum> always nice to have a box of extra computers
[4:18] <snowkidind> i was at micro center today the guy was talking about the black friday
[4:18] <snowkidind> they had 250 of them
[4:18] <snowkidind> sold out in 2 hours
[4:18] <snowkidind> and they had a limit of 2 percustomer,
[4:19] <snowkidind> if they wanted more than one the price was ten each
[4:22] <Ispira> neat.
[4:22] <Ispira> my drawing tablet's usb cable can power my Pi.
[4:22] <Ispira> i found that out by accident when i plugged the wrong cable in.
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[4:23] <Chillum> I might pay too much for 1 just to play with it before the price goes down
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[4:25] <r_02> Can you guys suggest a kit for someone that hasn't had any experience with that?
[4:25] <Ispira> an rpi kit?
[4:26] <r_02> I have some rpi's
[4:26] <Ispira> ah what are you looking for specifically then?
[4:26] <r_02> I mean that bread board
[4:26] <Ispira> Ah! uno momento
[4:26] <Ispira> How much are you wanting to spend on it
[4:26] <Ispira> because there are tons of kits of varying size/price/complexity when it comes to that.
[4:27] <Ispira> you're usually governed by the amount of money you want to spend to get started.
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[4:27] <r_02> Well as for complexity, I know very little on it
[4:28] <r_02> About wiring that sort of stuff.
[4:28] <Ispira> i have a link for you
[4:28] <Ispira> http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss_2?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=breadboard+kit
[4:29] <Ispira> pretty much anything that'll work with an arduino will work with the pi.
[4:29] <Ispira> the only thing you might have an issue with is very specifically designed LCD panels, but I can imagine they'd work with the pi too.
[4:29] <shiftplusone> r_02: http://thepihut.com/products/camjam-edukit
[4:29] <shiftplusone> http://thepihut.com/collections/camjam-edukit
[4:30] <snowkidind> ebay is cheap
[4:30] <Ispira> that edukit is nice for something real cheap
[4:30] <shiftplusone> Those are fairly educational
[4:31] <shiftplusone> There are a lot of 'kits' which are just keyboard and mouse plus useless stuff. "Build a computer" type nonsense. edukit is actual components you can make stuff out of.
[4:31] <snowkidind> depends on what you are getting in to
[4:31] <Ispira> ^
[4:31] <snowkidind> i bought a ton of stuff
[4:31] <snowkidind> but i was studying electronics at the time
[4:32] <snowkidind> and i ended up getting resistor kits
[4:32] <Ispira> OH. looking on amazon at these I found one that <I> want
[4:32] <snowkidind> and just about everything
[4:32] <snowkidind> but i bought it all seperately and i have much more of the things that one would normally get in a kit
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[4:32] <shiftplusone> snowkidind: yeah, but if you're just getting started you might not know the value of a resistor kit and all those other things, so it's nice to get an assortment of things to get started
[4:32] <snowkidind> and those little jumper wires that come in a sectional plastic box are invaluable
[4:32] <Ispira> I wish there was like
[4:33] <Ispira> a store where you could just walk in and pick these little things up easily
[4:33] <snowkidind> microcenter
[4:33] <Ispira> resistors, caps, breadboard/wire/etc
[4:33] <shiftplusone> then notice "hey.... these resistor things are handy, I should get a lot of different values of these...." then the next thing you know, you have a tub full of useful components at hand.
[4:33] <snowkidind> had a pretty nice display of that stuff
[4:33] <Ispira> closest micrcenter is like... 4 hours drive from me
[4:33] <Ispira> I live in south alabama rofl
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[4:34] <Ispira> my thing has been recycling old toys for wires/etc
[4:34] <Ispira> But it seems my soldering iron has dissappeared.
[4:34] <Ispira> disappeared *
[4:34] <snowkidind> they have an adapter that connects a cable to the pi but I just jump straight off it to the breadboard
[4:34] <Ispira> and without a soldering iron... well I'm kinda screwed
[4:34] <shiftplusone> Heh.... I used to desolder caps and chips from broken electronics and stuff >.> Not really necessary nowadays.
[4:35] <snowkidind> http://www.ebay.com/itm/830-Tie-Points-Solderless-PCB-Breadboard-MB102-65Pcs-Jumper-Cable-Wires-/201403170452?hash=item2ee4907e94:g:WTAAAOSwu4BVxHd6
[4:35] <Ispira> shiftplusone: that's what I wanna be doing, because free stuff
[4:35] <Ispira> I have TONS of old stuff like that to get resistors, caps, etc from but no iro anymore
[4:35] <snowkidind> that link is just an example of the stuff on ebay
[4:36] <Ispira> i got a couple of DC motors from an rc car
[4:36] <snowkidind> for like 5 bucks you can get a ton
[4:36] <Ispira> a wireless transmitter and reciever (49mhz)
[4:36] <Ispira> but no way to use them >:L
[4:36] <shiftplusone> Ooh.... side note.... you can use a variation of pifm to control cheap ebay RC cars
[4:37] <shiftplusone> my nephew had one and I was thinking..... surely, you can use a pi to control this.... googled it and sure enough.... someone has done it
[4:37] <Ispira> that's my plan
[4:37] <Ispira> only I was going to write the stuff myself
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[4:37] <snowkidind> http://www.ebay.com/itm/140pcs-Solderless-Breadboard-U-Shape-Jumper-Cable-Wire-Kit-for-Arduino-Box-/291548700226?hash=item43e1a81e42:g:9JUAAOSwVZNTmXKs
[4:38] <Ispira> my ultimate goal is to put a small camera on the front of the second car, set the remote up to be controlled by the raspberry pi taking input from an xbox controller
[4:38] <Ispira> and drive the car around using my pc
[4:38] <snowkidind> i saw a model train with that
[4:39] <Ispira> It's so useless, but so fun.
[4:39] <Ispira> it's my new hobby.
[4:39] <shiftplusone> heh
[4:39] <Ispira> making things needlessly complicated using small computers and chips like pi/arduino
[4:41] <Ispira> fuck sake
[4:41] <Ispira> just shocked myself :(
[4:42] <snowkidind> what happened
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[4:42] <Ispira> wasn't being careful and I basically made one of those fake gum pack buzzer toys
[4:43] <snowkidind> wait until a capacitor blows up in your face
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[4:43] <snowkidind> that will scare the shit right out
[4:43] <Ispira> you have to try pretty hard to pop a cap don't you?
[4:43] <Ispira> I've only ever done it on purpose.
[4:43] <Chillum> anyone know where I can get a Pi Zero for under $20?
[4:43] <snowkidind> wait until you accidentally do it lol
[4:43] <snowkidind> jeses ill never forget that
[4:44] <snowkidind> it was dead silent and i couldnt figure it out so I was about two inches away and bam
[4:45] <Ispira> jees
[4:46] <snowkidind> hah that was a long time ago
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[4:51] <Ispira> im beginning work on my operating system tonight.
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[4:52] <ozzzy_> /me wrote some nice spinlock code once
[4:52] <ozzzy_> pfft
[4:52] <ozzzy_> stupid fingers
[4:52] <uriah> :>
[4:52] <Ispira> i have an interesting hurdle right at the start i think
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[4:53] <ozzzy_> now why are you writing an OS
[4:53] <ozzzy_> and what is the target processor
[4:54] <Ispira> I'm writing an OS to learn directly about operating system development
[4:55] <Ispira> and I'm targeting the BCM2836 SoC of the RPi 2
[4:55] <ozzzy_> that's a valid reason
[4:57] <Lartza> Not sure if ARM is an easy target though
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[4:58] <Ispira> I don't think it's too much more of a challenge than x86
[4:58] <Lartza> Yeah I haven't really looked into ARM at all
[4:58] <Ispira> I also have experience in ARM assembly.
[4:58] <Lartza> Have into x86, have friends who write kernels and run them in QEMU for fun :P
[4:59] <snowkidind> closest i got was firmware for microchip pic's
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[5:05] <Ispira> mfw you have to make an account for the arm reference manual
[5:07] * ozzzy_ has 2 arms and not reference manuals
[5:07] <ozzzy_> am I missing something
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[5:08] <Lartza> That's why you're not doing anything useful with them
[5:09] <Lartza> Beethoven had an arm reference manual
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[5:09] <Lartza> Wonderful with the piano that guy
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[5:10] <snowkidind> you should have a user named “root” that can only work out of / see /tmp
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[5:11] <swift110-phone> Hey all
[5:11] <snowkidind> sup swift, are you making apps
[5:11] <swift110-phone> I wouldn't mind learning
[5:12] <snowkidind> i’ve a few on the app store trust me its not worth it
[5:12] <swift110-phone> Why not
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[5:14] <snowkidind> way too much effort very small payoff
[5:14] <Lartza> If the only payoff you want is FUN?
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[5:14] <snowkidind> more fun here honestly
[5:16] <swift110-phone> Hmm
[5:17] <snowkidind> working on anything good?
[5:17] <swift110-phone> No
[5:17] <swift110-phone> I don't have one
[5:17] <snowkidind> word
[5:19] <swift110-phone> I have a magazine for it though
[5:19] <swift110-phone> I would love to make a weather station
[5:19] <snowkidind> that would be cool
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[5:20] <snowkidind> i was looking at sensors today
[5:20] <Chillum> I have a Pi picking up airplane transponders. Pretty neat, detecting them over 100km away
[5:20] <snowkidind> ^ sweeet
[5:21] <Chillum> using a tv/radio usb adapter to pick up the signals
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[5:21] <snowkidind> so its an antennae?
[5:21] <snowkidind> antenna. ants have antennae
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[5:22] <snowkidind> my friend invented some sort of passive surveillance by triangulating radio signals and canceling them out
[5:23] <Chillum> ya just a single telescoping antenna like a FM radio from the 80s might have
[5:23] <snowkidind> i wonder what you could do with one of those big ham towers
[5:23] <Chillum> you can get specific ants and filters and boosters for the 1090 freq
[5:23] <Chillum> you can only improve so much because it is mostly to do with the transmit power of the plane's transponder
[5:24] <Chillum> 400km is about as far as people can detect, and even then you need very high ground
[5:24] <snowkidind> right
[5:24] <Chillum> curvature of the Earth becomes and issue
[5:24] <snowkidind> sounds about right
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[5:24] <snowkidind> that and moisture
[5:24] <Chillum> the freq they use is very long range for low power but cannot get through solids very well so you need line of sight to the sky
[5:24] <Chillum> where I am I have hills and stuff so I only detect high altitude planes
[5:25] <snowkidind> I was considering the thought of an underwater array of autonomous vehicles
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[5:25] <snowkidind> like if (mh370) a plane went missing you could send out this array of vehicles to scan for the pinger
[5:25] <snowkidind> it could also terrain map the seafloor
[5:26] <snowkidind> too complicated for one person to make
[5:26] <snowkidind> so i just bagged the thought
[5:27] <snowkidind> the idea was that you could use sort of a bit torrent style network where all the vehicles knew about each oter and moved around in a way that they refuel and still search forward
[5:28] <Chillum> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Underwater_glider <-- super power efficient
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[5:28] <Chillum> by slightly change density it either falls or floats, then uses wings to turn upward/downward motion into lateral movements
[5:28] <snowkidind> i saw it before its marvelous
[5:29] <Chillum> a Pi could "fly" one of those no problem
[5:29] <snowkidind> surely
[5:29] <snowkidind> i was thinking smaller scale at first for prototyping
[5:29] <snowkidind> like for the great lakes or something without as much current as an ocean
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[5:32] <Chillum> hehe going to setup a little us->canada export operation? Don't get in trouble!
[5:33] <snowkidind> probably more like canada ->us
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[5:33] <snowkidind> haha
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[5:38] <Spitalian> hi
[5:38] <warpie> hi
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[5:39] <Spitalian> I just got a Raspberry Pi today. Does anyone want to answer some noob questions I have?
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[5:39] <Lartza> Shoot
[5:39] <snowkidind> fire away
[5:39] <warpie> congrats
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[5:40] <Spitalian> okay, so everything I read said that when it first boots it will prompt me to put in the username and password, and then I type "startx" to launch the gui. But when I booted it, it didn't ask for a username or password and it just went straight to the desktop
[5:40] <Spitalian> I don't know why
[5:41] <snowkidind> that happened to me too
[5:41] <snowkidind> old instructions
[5:41] <snowkidind> you used noobs?
[5:41] <Spitalian> yeah
[5:41] <snowkidind> right
[5:41] <snowkidind> and it just worked
[5:41] <Spitalian> yep
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[5:41] <snowkidind> i think it doesnt expect everybody to have a monitor hooked up
[5:42] <warpie> you can go into terminal and do sudo raspi-config and put in user and pw
[5:42] <snowkidind> maybe thats if you turn it on without a monitor then happen to plug one in and want to start the x terminal
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[5:44] <Spitalian> I found that I can disable auto login in the config (through the gui), and then it prompts me with a username and password, but it's not in the terminal. There is also an option to change the password (in the gui) but when I change my password that way the new password doesn't work. Is it better to do that kind of stuff through the terminal?
[5:44] <snowkidind> i have an ubuntu machine and when i start it it requests i log in
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[5:45] <snowkidind> i am guessing that pi is modified to automatically launch x as user pi
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[5:46] <snowkidind> my workaround for all of this was to change the root password
[5:46] <snowkidind> and then make another account with sudo access
[5:47] <snowkidind> and just not use the pi account
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[5:47] <snowkidind> im still having issues though. cant run a python script without sudo
[5:47] <JK-47> your libraries in the wrong place?
[5:47] <Spitalian> Does that make it so it boots into the terminal?
[5:47] <snowkidind> the user config was kind of a clusterf&$k
[5:48] <snowkidind> i would assume if you used sudo to install it it would put them where they need to be no?
[5:48] <snowkidind> no i dont have it booting in terminal
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[5:49] <snowkidind> but i dont really use a monitor
[5:49] <snowkidind> i did earlier today and it was still using user pi
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[5:59] <irc_smirk> hello
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[5:59] <irc_smirk> hello
[5:59] <irc_smirk> is it you, im looking for
[6:00] <warpie> me? or you?
[6:00] <snowkidind> aaargh the earworm
[6:00] <warpie> oh?
[6:00] <snowkidind> some dj was playing that tune on the local rock station the other day
[6:00] <snowkidind> making fun of it
[6:00] <warpie> I see.
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[6:01] <snowkidind> mild entertainment
[6:01] <snowkidind> sort of like the song
[6:01] <warpie> I watched all 3 DVDs of starwars today
[6:01] <Lartza> I've never watched any of the star wars movies :P
[6:01] <warpie> cool
[6:02] <Lartza> successor to star trek or something right?
[6:03] <warpie> no, different
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[6:03] <Lartza> ;)
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[6:03] <Lartza> I know that much :P
[6:03] <warpie> star trek is different series than star wars
[6:04] <Lartza> Just messing with ya
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[6:04] <warpie> yup... I know... lol
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[6:05] <Lartza> I am not totally uncultured even though I haven't seen Princess Solo defeat Jabba the Hut
[6:05] <Lartza> The ginbergread hut from hansel and gretel
[6:05] <warpie> Leia
[6:05] <warpie> not Solo
[6:05] <Lartza> I know this too...
[6:05] <Lartza> :D
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[6:08] <warpie> I liked 7 of 9
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[6:08] <warpie> but now she don't look so good
[6:08] <warpie> she's grown out
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[6:09] <Lartza> Leia's actress in 2015?
[6:09] <Lartza> Not bikini material? ;)
[6:09] <warpie> no, star trek in deep space nine
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[6:10] <snowkidind> im a tos fan
[6:10] <snowkidind> i’d like to deep space 9 deep space nine
[6:11] <warpie> got my ADALM1000 board to work on my Asus mini lappy in win 10
[6:11] <Lartza> Haven't watch Star Trek either myself :/
[6:11] <Lartza> There is so much I need to watch some day
[6:11] <warpie> cool
[6:11] <Lartza> Like the Aliens movies
[6:11] <snowkidind> i want sci fi - not drama
[6:11] <Lartza> I somehow never got around to watch them
[6:11] <warpie> yeh, your wrist watch
[6:11] <snowkidind> newer stuff is pretty much genital hospital
[6:12] <snowkidind> as my stomach churns
[6:12] <warpie> general
[6:12] <warpie> not genital
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[6:12] <Lartza> I'd watch the **** out of genital hospital
[6:12] <snowkidind> sorry warp factor 10 i was being facetious
[6:12] <Lartza> general hospital? meh
[6:13] <warpie> lol
[6:13] <snowkidind> genital hospital, where girls go to be boys
[6:13] <warpie> no thanks
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[6:15] <snowkidind> he he he
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[6:16] <irc_smirk> anyone play with jasper
[6:17] <warpie> not me
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[6:20] <irc_smirk> good God why is docker extracting so slow on pi
[6:20] <warpie> cuz pi is slow
[6:20] <irc_smirk> something may be wrong with my sd card
[6:21] <irc_smirk> it says 20meg/sec write
[6:21] <warpie> cud be
[6:21] <irc_smirk> how to diagnose
[6:21] <warpie> ask [Saint] or niston
[6:21] <snowkidind> takes a while to compile
[6:21] <warpie> otherwise use terminal
[6:21] <snowkidind> in general
[6:23] <[Saint]> irc_smirk: didn't we have this discussion yesterday?
[6:23] <[Saint]> You're never going to get anywhere near close to the theoretical max burst write speed of the sdcard on the pi itself.
[6:23] <Ispira> forgot to update my os for a month, only 400 updates, whoops.
[6:23] <warpie> cool
[6:23] <warpie> I've had many more, lol
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[6:24] <irc_smirk> yeah but im wondering how i can tell if this is specific to my card
[6:24] <irc_smirk> i dont know what normal is on pi
[6:24] <irc_smirk> when i do apt-get install it doesnt hang so slow like this
[6:24] <sedition> docker imports and exports will take time
[6:25] <sedition> they take forever on my mac too
[6:25] <sedition> lol
[6:25] <warpie> then why use docker?
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[6:25] <sedition> its just importing images thats slow
[6:26] <sedition> the overhead during operation is minimal in my experience.
[6:26] <irc_smirk> yeah once docker is done importing its a huge advantage
[6:26] <irc_smirk> i found jasper for docker on pi here trying it out https://github.com/danielchalef/jasper-docker
[6:26] <warpie> isn't there something better than docker?
[6:27] <irc_smirk> i think ill probalby just mess with it on mac docker first
[6:27] <sedition> that looks like a cool project
[6:27] <sedition> warpie: dunno, docker seems to be the new hotness
[6:27] <warpie> ok
[6:27] <sedition> its useful for me in the few ways that i use it on a daily basis
[6:27] <sedition> i have no complaints
[6:27] <warpie> enjoy
[6:27] <irc_smirk> whats your use for it?
[6:28] <sedition> mostly keeping kali in a box for penetration testing engagements.
[6:28] <sedition> very useful to have all my tools inside a container native on my macbook
[6:28] <sedition> and easy to deploy to whatever machines i have to work with
[6:28] <snowkidind> night guys
[6:28] <sedition> see ya
[6:29] <sedition> im trying to learn more about it so i can start deploying my apps in docker etc
[6:29] <irc_smirk> but doesnt the arm part trip that up
[6:29] <irc_smirk> it seems you have to build up an image on both sides
[6:29] <sedition> yeah i have an image for am and an x86 image
[6:29] <sedition> arm*
[6:29] <irc_smirk> then you use volumes outside?
[6:29] <sedition> yep, and port forward as needed
[6:30] <irc_smirk> you cant mix image layers at all right?
[6:30] <sedition> ive been trying to mess with privileged mode or whatever to give docker access to my wireless cards but no luck so far
[6:30] <sedition> not sure what you mean by mix, but if you have lets say, the base ubuntu image, other images based on that image will only need to download the layers 'above' that layer you already have
[6:31] <sedition> again im not a docker expert so i may be incorrect in some of my understanding
[6:31] <irc_smirk> ok
[6:32] <sedition> i think there could wind up being a lot of folks publishing docker images for pi apps, lots of potential
[6:32] <pigrit> any realistic chance one could harvest old mobile phones for components to give the pi gsm/3g capabilities ?
[6:32] <irc_smirk> i was going to build an api site that let you upload large images (30 meg) but now im seeign pi on sd card will be too slow
[6:33] <irc_smirk> sedition - web based only right? i cant see it doing something like retro pi
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[6:36] <sedition> you could stuff whatever in there heh
[6:37] <sedition> Also what speed are your SD cards?
[6:37] <irc_smirk> its supposed to be the best one when i researched
[6:38] <sedition> you might get better speed from USB
[6:38] <sedition> check this out
[6:38] <irc_smirk> http://www.bestbuy.com/site/samsung-evo-32gb-microsdhc-class-10-uhs-1-memory-card-red-white/4568505.p?id=1219769553726&skuId=4568505
[6:38] <sedition> http://www.mikronauts.com/raspberry-pi/raspberry-pi-2-usb-hard-drive-and-adapter-tests/
[6:38] <sedition> "(FYI: in the Raspberry Pi 2 Review, the ADATA SD card scored 17.5MB/sec on this hdparm test)"
[6:39] <sedition> so just do your storage on a USB stick :)
[6:39] <sedition> for your app
[6:41] <irc_smirk> so my sd card says Maximum Write Speed20 megabytes per second
[6:41] <irc_smirk> but it doesnt do this at all
[6:41] <irc_smirk> danielchalef/armhf-jasper-docker latest e4783cde4b68 3 months ago 803 MB
[6:41] <irc_smirk> what a whopper
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[6:44] <irc_smirk> so how do i run and get into this image
[6:44] <sedition> docker run -ti danielchalef/armhf-jasper-docker bash
[6:45] <sedition> although it shows you some args you need to pass in the readme
[6:45] <sedition> for whatever devices you're using
[6:45] <irc_smirk> yeah that failed
[6:45] <irc_smirk> ok will read the readme lol
[6:46] <irc_smirk> just silently fails
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[6:52] <Chillum> at only 23 grams the pizero is going to replace the Pi2 on my quadcopter
[6:52] <Chillum> weight matters
[6:52] <Chillum> less power too
[6:53] <irc_smirk> how much p2 weigh
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[6:55] <Chillum> huh only 45 grams, somehow I thought more
[6:55] <Chillum> ohhh I misread, the Pi zero is only 9 grams
[6:55] <Chillum> that makes more sense
[6:56] <irc_smirk> what connects to it. just power?
[6:56] <Chillum> power and a wifi chip
[6:56] <Chillum> war flying
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[6:56] <Chillum> but the big gain is the power consumption, 65mA vs ~420mA
[6:57] <irc_smirk> what is the range on the wifi ?
[6:57] <Chillum> the battery is the big weight, I can use much smaller battery for this one
[6:57] <Chillum> 50-60 meters, line of sight depending on the tx power
[6:57] <Chillum> when flying you pick up much farther than on the ground
[6:57] <irc_smirk> ah cool
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[6:57] <irc_smirk> so it connects to your homebase controller or whatever?
[6:58] <Chillum> so it scans wifi and records it
[6:58] <irc_smirk> like on a local wifi netwrok
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[6:58] <Chillum> it uses GPS to map wifi locations
[6:58] <Chillum> and records if they have a password or not
[6:58] <irc_smirk> oh no shit
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[6:58] <irc_smirk> war flying indeed
[6:58] <Chillum> I have taken the casing off of a tiny usb wifi, it is under 2 grams. Going to desolder the microusb port and solder the chip right to the board
[6:59] <irc_smirk> but that cant be legal i mean to fly so low
[6:59] <Chillum> gps will come in through the serial port
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[6:59] <Chillum> 60 meters is not that low, nothing over 3 stories in this area
[7:00] <irc_smirk> wait so its legal to fly drones low like that in a city
[7:00] <Chillum> I am outside the city
[7:00] <Chillum> not much established law yet
[7:00] <Chillum> it falls under the old rc plane laws which only require you retain line of sight
[7:00] <irc_smirk> ah
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[7:01] <Chillum> using a remote camera to fly when you can't see it is illegal here if you don';t own the property
[7:02] <Chillum> in Canada at least
[7:02] <[Saint]> most places are following a similar format and rushing to pass legislation as such
[7:02] <irc_smirk> and im sure that doesnt apply to mr polipoli
[7:02] <[Saint]> drones kinda caught the law by surprise.
[7:03] <Chillum> they will become so cheap that people will just break the law and let it get shot down hehe
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[7:03] <Chillum> is a usb sound card the best bet for sound on a pizero?
[7:03] <Lartza> Here drones need to fly under 150 meters, within 500 meters from the operatoor and not over people or densly populated areas
[7:03] <irc_smirk> well they could trace it back to you
[7:03] <[Saint]> what used to be confined to private aerodromes, and fairly extreme hobbiests, is now available for $30 on ebay for every man woman and child.
[7:03] <[Saint]> with increasingly better quality.
[7:04] <[Saint]> current laws weren't really prepared for it, but in hindsight, it wasn't too hard to see it coming.
[7:04] <Chillum> irc_smirk: you could use a cheap 4g card with pay as you go sim card and control it through tor... really depends on what you want to do
[7:05] <Chillum> they are not going to put much effort into tracing someone illegally hobby flying, but if you used to for a prison break then perhaps another story
[7:05] <Chillum> I think I read about a prison shooting down a quadcopter flying over their walls, it had a cellphone and some drugs on it
[7:05] <irc_smirk> haha a modern pigeon
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[7:06] <irc_smirk> send over donuts next time
[7:06] <Chillum> then all the screws will shoot at them!
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[7:35] <AiGreek> 'Morning guys.
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[7:46] <Chillum> yo
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[8:16] <awz> guys
[8:17] <awz> I am using volumio on my pi 2 and the webUI stopped working. idk why. :$ But ssh still works. Help?
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[8:26] <Lonefish> Oh hi everybody!
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[8:28] <AiGreek> hi Lonefish
[8:29] <Lonefish> Apparently someone is selling pi's for 95,59€
[8:30] <AiGreek> Pi Zero ?
[8:30] <Lonefish> I wonder if they'll sell any
[8:30] <Lonefish> the 2
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[8:30] <AiGreek> a bit expensive but, heh, why not
[8:30] <Lonefish> A webshop, how stupid can they be, everyone sells them 50€ or less,
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[8:31] <Lonefish> how's your package coming along? :p
[8:31] <AiGreek> almost here :D
[8:31] <AiGreek> today or tomorrow i think
[8:31] <Lonefish> woohoow!
[8:31] <nemesit|znc> hi, I got a pi but no screen, keyboard or mouse ;-p but I got lots of cables, anyway to install an os on the pi and connect to uart without those 3 things?
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[8:32] <AiGreek> I called directly Kubii to yell, after our little discussion. In 2 hours, the shipping status was updated ^^
[8:33] <Lonefish> Haha, yelling is fun
[8:33] <Lonefish> I'm glad it worked
[8:33] <AiGreek> me too ... after more than a month, it was time
[8:33] <Lonefish> nemesit|znc: you should be able to copy the os over to an sd card, and then install it over ssh,
[8:34] <Lonefish> but I don't know how that would work tbh
[8:34] <AiGreek> just connect with your IP adress
[8:34] <Lonefish> https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=28&t=83133
[8:34] <nemesit|znc> Lonefish: I might have only uart and other small cables no ethernet either xD
[8:34] <Lonefish> Put raspbian directly on it, not the NOOBS version
[8:35] <nemesit|znc> I'd like arch not raspbian
[8:35] <nemesit|znc> might complicate it a bit more xD
[8:35] <AiGreek> it's become dificult, here ^^'
[8:35] <Lonefish> I'm afraid you don't really have much options :p
[8:35] <nemesit|znc> could I put raspbian on it and afterwards arch from within raspbian?
[8:36] <Lonefish> Might be possible
[8:36] <Lonefish> google says this "Note that if you have installed any Linux OS on your Raspberry Pi, you can use that to create the SD card with Arch Linux on it, following the instructions provided earlier in this thread. You certainly can download the files needed for your Pi with your Windows machine, but the final creation of the OS for your Pi will need to take place on a Linux system."
[8:36] <AiGreek> https://www.raspberrypi.org/downloads/ uh ? Arch wasn't here ?
[8:36] <Lonefish> Don't think arch is officially supported?
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[8:37] <nemesit|znc> Lonefish: dunno I just know that they have a v2 version and on my b+ I too had arch
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[8:37] <Lonefish> I know it can be done, but AiGreek is just wondering why it isn't on the site :p
[8:38] <Lonefish> I don't know if it can be done without any cables/keyboard/screen/mouse tho :p
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[8:38] <AiGreek> and ethernet/wifi*/
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[8:38] <nemesit|znc> I got a uart cable
[8:38] <Lonefish> I'm afraid you'll need at least ether,et
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[8:39] <Lonefish> don't you need to install drivers for uart? (not sure)
[8:39] <nemesit|znc> so as soon as some os is running with serial support It should work
[8:39] <AiGreek> can't you just buy an eth cable ? ^^
[8:39] <Lonefish> or enable it?
[8:39] <Lonefish> Or unplug something? :p
[8:39] <nemesit|znc> AiGreek: I don't have an ethernet port xD
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[8:39] <AiGreek> ARGH !
[8:39] <Lonefish> You have wireless internet?
[8:39] <nemesit|znc> yes
[8:39] <Lonefish> So you have a router somewhere
[8:40] <nemesit|znc> no
[8:40] <nemesit|znc> lte modem xD
[8:40] <Lonefish> Hmmm.
[8:40] <Lonefish> I'm out of ideas :p
[8:40] <AiGreek> same here
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[8:42] <Lonefish> do you have a wifi adapter on the pi?
[8:42] <nemesit|znc> hm I'll try a few things maybe I find a way
[8:42] <nemesit|znc> yes
[8:42] <Lonefish> WOOHOOW
[8:42] <Lonefish> :p
[8:42] <AiGreek> xD
[8:42] <nemesit|znc> xD
[8:43] <Lonefish> https://learn.adafruit.com/adafruit-nfc-rfid-on-raspberry-pi/freeing-uart-on-the-pi
[8:43] <Lonefish> This looks like uart is enabled out of the box (again, not sure, but since you have to free it for this purpose..)
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[8:44] <nemesit|znc> looks like thats the case yeah
[8:44] <Lonefish> http://www.instructables.com/id/Connect-the-Raspberry-Pi-to-network-using-UART/
[8:44] <Lonefish> Network = ssh capabilities
[8:46] <Lonefish> I think you could do something with the last link
[8:46] <Lonefish> in combination with a raspbian install
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[8:47] <Lonefish> Is the lack of ethernet cable a temporary issue?
[8:47] <Lonefish> Or are you not planning on buying any?
[8:47] <nemesit|znc> yeah using uart on the b+
[8:47] <nemesit|znc> Lonefish could get one somewhere
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[8:47] <nemesit|znc> but right now theres no cable here^^
[8:48] <Lonefish> And you have a pi but don't want to wait :p
[8:48] <AiGreek> i know thing feeling ...
[8:48] <nemesit|znc> right xD
[8:48] <AiGreek> this*/
[8:48] <Lonefish> Meh, try it, you never know
[8:49] <Lonefish> if it works, you've learned something
[8:49] <Lonefish> if it doesn't, you've learned something too.
[8:49] <Lonefish> ALWAYS HAVE AN ETHERNET CABLE NEARBY
[8:50] <pigrit> I hope kubii doesn't make me wait too long, I can't argue in french D:
[8:50] <nemesit|znc> hehe
[8:50] <pigrit> may have to impose on AiGreek there
[8:50] <AiGreek> i can help you with that ^^
[8:51] <Lonefish> Haha
[8:51] <Lonefish> Just shout in english.
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[8:52] <pigrit> like english abroad, gotcha
[8:52] <pigrit> I'm getting a half idea of making something to take room measurements
[8:52] <pigrit> because I have lots of rooms and I hate taking measurements
[8:52] <AiGreek> next people to cry : Chalkboard Electronics
[8:53] <pigrit> am I just half remembering the dark knight, or is there a helpful sensor in this regard ?
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[8:53] <AiGreek> do you think the DHT22 is waterproof ?
[8:54] <pigrit> by looking at the dht11, I do not
[8:54] <pigrit> but I know nearly nothing
[8:54] <AiGreek> only one way to know i guess .... i'll try
[8:55] <pigrit> I was thinking maybe i/r ? lasers ?
[8:55] <pigrit> echolocation ?
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[8:56] <AiGreek> lasers are cool !
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[8:56] <Lonefish> ir is short range I think
[8:56] <Lonefish> 30-50cm i thought
[8:57] <pigrit> bit too small of a room
[8:57] <Lonefish> or that might be echolocation
[8:57] <AiGreek> there is a sensors with 300m range
[8:57] <pigrit> tv remotes go farther than that
[8:57] <pigrit> what do builders use ? I've seen them use a handheld device to check how far something is
[8:58] <Lonefish> I think it's laser
[8:58] <Lonefish> I thought they send out a red dot
[8:58] <AiGreek> you can use Ultrasonic Sensors (for pi)
[8:58] <pigrit> it would be ideal that you put the pi down in the room, it does its thing, and comes up with a profile of the walls/obstacles
[8:59] <Lonefish> You want multiple measurements?
[8:59] <pigrit> depends on what you mean with multiple I guess ?
[8:59] <Lonefish> I thought you wanted to put it in the corner and measure one wall, go to the next, measure that wall..
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[8:59] <pigrit> that would be the easy way, yes
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[9:00] <pigrit> the COOL way, would be for it to scan 360°
[9:00] <AiGreek> pigrit use this http://www.leboutte.be/images/catalogue/outillage/stanley-metre-fat-max.jpg
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[9:00] <pigrit> lolol
[9:00] <Lonefish> I think you'll need to go with lasers and camera's for that :p You can use 3d scanning techniques, but I don't know if you could pull measurements from that
[9:01] <pigrit> I suppose you could make a small robot that drags the end
[9:01] <Lonefish> Maybe if you put a 1m stick in the scanning field you could calculate it
[9:03] <Lonefish> it would be a pain to code tho
[9:04] <pigrit> without knowing anything about it, I thought I could just make the basic wall to wall measurer, and then turn it around on top of a motorthingi
[9:04] <pigrit> write down all the data as it turns ofc
[9:05] <Lonefish> that might work indeed
[9:05] <AiGreek> maybe i don't understand what you want to do, but i thought it was easy to do :x
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[9:05] <Lonefish> but i think you'd have to pause it tho, and not spin it around continuously
[9:06] <Lonefish> like turn, pause, measure, pause, turn x degrees, repeat
[9:06] <pigrit> could be, could be
[9:06] <Lonefish> I'm also not an expert at all, just thinking out loud
[9:06] <pigrit> AiGreek I want to measure a room by pressing a button
[9:07] <Lonefish> he wants to work 20 hours on coding something to do something he could probably do in 2 hours by hand.
[9:07] <pigrit> yup
[9:07] <Lonefish> http://www.modmypi.com/blog/hc-sr04-ultrasonic-range-sensor-on-the-raspberry-pi
[9:07] <pigrit> and which probably already exists
[9:08] <Lonefish> ultrasonic is the one i was talking about earlier, changed it up with ir
[9:08] <pigrit> like, I could mention it to a builder and he'd say "oh yes of course, the Thingimabob, it's 5€ in the chinese shop"
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[9:08] <Lonefish> "Provides precise, non-contact distance measurements within a 2 cm to 3 m range."
[9:09] <Lonefish> If your room is max 6m diameter, ultrasonic might work
[9:09] <Armand> lazor
[9:09] <AiGreek> Lonefish that what i said "with ultrasonic sensor (for pi) :(
[9:10] <Lonefish> https://www.adafruit.com/products/1568
[9:10] <Lonefish> this one goes to 5m
[9:10] <AiGreek> brb
[9:11] <Lonefish> apparently the usable distance is pretty specific for every implementation
[9:11] <Lonefish> I thought ultrasonic was more near-field
[9:12] <Lonefish> You could use a bat and tape it to your pi?
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[9:13] <Armand> hahaha
[9:13] <pigrit> I thought I had one lying around, turns out I have not
[9:14] <Armand> A bat?
[9:14] <Armand> They tend to hang around, rather than lay.. but..
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[9:14] <Lonefish> lol
[9:15] <Apocx> http://www.homedepot.com/p/Bosch-130-ft-Laser-Distance-Measurer-DLR130K/202504985
[9:15] <Apocx> :P
[9:15] <pigrit> I keep mine sedated
[9:16] <pigrit> exactly that thing
[9:16] <pigrit> so I could mount it on something that turns around, and have a robotic finger press the button
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[9:18] <Lonefish> And you'd have to read out the distance too every turn
[9:18] <pigrit> I can use a camera to read the lcd on the thingi
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[9:18] <pigrit> and advanced AI to make sense of it
[9:19] <pigrit> quick! is any of us entirely made of mercury ??
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[9:19] <Lonefish> I'm going with no
[9:19] <Apocx> http://www.berryjam.eu/2014/06/oslrf-01/
[9:19] <Apocx> :D
[9:20] <Apocx> Arduino based LIDAR
[9:20] <Apocx> Get crackin'
[9:21] <Apocx> http://www.lightware.co.za/shop/en/proximity-sensors/26-oslrf-01-kit.html
[9:21] <pigrit> cool
[9:21] <Apocx> $32 not bad
[9:21] <pigrit> bloody hell 120$ between kit and assembled
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[9:21] <pigrit> they REALLY don't like soldering
[9:22] <Apocx> ha
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[9:23] <pigrit> from the picture I can't really see any solder-able looking parts
[9:23] <pigrit> what gives
[9:23] <Apocx> Obligatory sparkfun link: https://www.sparkfun.com/products/13680
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[9:24] <Apocx> 40m range not bad
[9:24] <pigrit> guess that's the end of this chat
[9:25] <Apocx> if I had $115 to waste I'd buy it just to play with it
[9:25] <Apocx> LIDAR is awesome
[9:25] <pigrit> I wonder how long it needs to burn an eye
[9:25] <pigrit> it's not instant is it
[9:26] <pigrit> I've looked into many a cd player in my days
[9:26] <Apocx> only one way to find out!
[9:26] <Lonefish> try and tell us?
[9:26] <Apocx> :D
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[9:26] <Lonefish> You have 2, so.. If it goes wrong, you still have one left.
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[9:26] <pigrit> they suck enough as they are already
[9:27] <pigrit> it would be an excuse to wear an eyepatch though
[9:27] <Lonefish> true
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[9:30] <Apocx> it bugs me Arduino ints are 2 bytes
[9:30] <Apocx> that's a short not an int damnit
[9:31] <Lonefish> indeed
[9:31] <Apocx> now I can't just dump structs straight to the serial stream, I have to manually read/write their contents. booo arduino. booo.
[9:31] <pigrit> boooo
[9:31] <Lonefish> hooo?
[9:32] <Apocx> http://imgur.com/lHGXyST
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[9:37] <Apocx> I'm just going to make a typedef U32 for a long (when compiled for Arduino) and int (when compiled for Linux). and use that. cause I'm lazy. then I can just dump the struct into the serial stream and recreate it properly on the other end while keeping the code for the Linux and Arduino sides almost identical.
[9:37] <Apocx> since arduino longs are 32-bit. yeah that should work
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[9:46] <Apocx> U32 for unsigned long/unsigned int rather
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[10:11] <irc_smirk> anyone got webrtc working with raspberry pi
[10:11] <irc_smirk> using pi as the relay server?
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[10:35] <ali1234> anyone using the official wifi with a pi zero?
[10:36] <ali1234> because for me it crashes within a few seconds of starting the connection every time
[10:36] <irc_smirk> pi zero is a mythical device that is always out of stock
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[10:43] * Xark has one...
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[10:44] <irc_smirk> unicorns
[10:44] <ali1234> it works fine with a different wifi
[10:44] <Xark> :)
[10:45] <deshipu> I use it with some cheap chinese wifi dongles
[10:45] <deshipu> had to download firmware for them, but otherwise works
[10:45] <Xark> irc_smirk: You just need to believe... :)
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[10:46] <Xark> (and the "Notify Me" or equivalent link is a good idea too)
[10:46] <irc_smirk> like the second coming ... of the back orders
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[10:47] <Lonefish> lol
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[10:59] <Ispira> just did my first timed speedrun of mirror's edge
[10:59] <Ispira> whoops wrong channel.
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[11:29] <AiGreek> My package is here yeaaaah
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[11:53] <irc_smirk> ok ready for stupid question
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[12:07] * Lonefish gets ready
[12:08] <Lonefish> nice AiGreek !
[12:08] <Lonefish> it was the display, no?
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[12:15] <AiGreek> power supply (mine is broken), PiZero and Pi2
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[12:21] <Lonefish> YOU HAVE A ZERO?
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[12:22] <AiGreek> yup
[12:22] <Lonefish> Well, there goes your top spot on my list of favorite frenchies
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[12:23] <AiGreek> haha cool
[12:23] <gordonDrogon> I have a Zero too.. Here it is connecte dto my Moto Lapdock... http://unicorn.drogon.net/IMG_20151128_194814.jpg
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[12:23] <Lonefish> Grmbl grmbl
[12:24] <gordonDrogon> there are plenty on ebay for sale.
[12:25] <AiGreek> now i'm just waiting for my new Multimeter and a 15,5" touchscreen (who's never gonna be here, i guess)
[12:26] <daveake> There's one languishing in a field somewhere near Bicester, attached to the remains of a balloon. But you'd have to find it first.
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[12:27] <gordonDrogon> back to the bakehouse for me.
[12:27] <Lonefish> I'm not paying 20£ for a 5$ computer :p
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[12:28] <ali1234> looks like there's a nasty regression in the wifi driver
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[12:29] * AiGreek like when it's become nasty
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[12:55] <MY123> ...
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[13:11] <ali1234> https://github.com/raspberrypi/linux/issues/1234
[13:11] <ali1234> i got issue 1234
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[13:13] <daveake> blimey
[13:14] <daveake> Not used that combo yet - my only official wifi dongle is on a wheezy
[13:14] <ali1234> this might affect other models, i didn't try it
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[14:16] <styler2go> how can i sync the clock of the pi withpout having itnernet access? :/
[14:17] <canton7> what would you sync it with?
[14:17] <shinji257> You need to add a RTC module to the Pi. They add a crystal with battery backup capabilities and usually mount onto the header.
[14:20] <shinji257> Alternatively if you just need local network without internet you could setup/use a local NTP server. Actually doing so is beyond the scope of the room though.
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[14:22] <Langley> Hello, is there any way to make a remote installation of Raspbian or something else, over the network?
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[14:25] <daveake> GPS to sync
[14:25] <shinji257> The board itself doesn't have the capability but the NOOBS image can do that. Just get the small version that doesn't have any images included.
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[14:25] <shinji257> https://www.raspberrypi.org/downloads/noobs/
[14:25] <shinji257> Grab the Lite version
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[14:26] <Langley> My board is currently running Ubuntu Mate... can I download and install thaht noobs things from within it?
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[14:27] <mlelstv> http://rdlazaro.info/compu-Raspberry_Pi-RPi-stratum0.html
[14:28] <shinji257> I don't think you will be able to do that from within a running OS on the RasPi unless you are doing it to a different SD card.
[14:28] <Langley> So no matter what I have to shut it down and take the SD card out, right? Oh well
[14:28] <shinji257> Pretty much.
[14:30] <shinji257> It is like a computer still. If you have one computer and want to install a different OS you can burn the install ISO to a DVD or write it a USB drive but you still won't be able to just overwrite the current OS installation while inside the running system. You would also still have to reboot in order to start said install.
[14:35] <styler2go> my pi is acting as a server
[14:35] <styler2go> so i can't give it an NTP server
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[14:37] <chesty> styler2go: why not?
[14:38] <styler2go> because the pi will be the only server in the network
[14:38] <chesty> no other box on the network as internet access?
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[14:40] <swift110-phone> Can raspberry pi play video?
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[14:40] <leio> Yes
[14:40] <chesty> assuming you have sky access and no internet access, a gps board which will cost a minimum of $20 is one way
[14:41] <daveake> Yes I mentioned that earlier :)
[14:41] <Langley> shinji257: I was thinking something like network boot
[14:41] <chesty> sorry
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[14:41] <daveake> np it seemed to get ignored anyway
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[14:45] <styler2go> chesty: there is no itnernet and no other device
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[14:52] <chesty> daveake: already mention everything, you can buy a rtc board with a battery for a few dollars, or a gps board starting at $20. i think your pi has an ego problem though, it calls itself a server but has no clients to serve ;)
[14:52] <chesty> styler2go: ^
[14:52] <shinji257> Langley: Ahh... That is what I thought you meant. Yea you won't be able to do that with the RPi.
[14:53] <mlelstv> at least the network bootloader must be on the sd card
[14:54] <shinji257> Yea. NOOBS (Lite) boots the system to a minimal point so the networking is up.
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[14:54] <styler2go> gps sounds nice
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[14:55] <daveake> Take a look at http://www.satsignal.eu/ntp/Raspberry-Pi-NTP.html
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[14:56] <daveake> For the best reference you'll want a GPS board with a PPS signal
[14:57] <chesty> what's a pps signal?
[14:57] <styler2go> http://electronics.stackexchange.com/questions/30750/why-do-gps-receivers-have-a-1-pps-output
[14:57] <styler2go> maybe?
[14:57] <daveake> pulse per second
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[14:59] <chesty> this is what i bought, it hasn't arrived yet. it's the cheapest one I could find. it's for my car, time is a bonus, and anywhere with a second or two will do for me
[14:59] <chesty> http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/380639222359?_trksid=p2060353.m2749.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT
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[14:59] <styler2go> it is funny that every chip is small nowadays, but gps is still a big chip comapred to any other
[15:01] <chesty> the board the chip is on doesn't have pps by the looks, the chip has usb, but the board doesn't make usb available
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[15:07] <Lonefish> I have an extra question on a stackoverflow topic that has not been answered yet
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[15:07] <Lonefish> What's the preferred way to do it, edit the question and add a second (related, but different) question?
[15:07] <Lonefish> Or open a new topic
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[15:24] <AiGreek> yes
[15:24] <Langley> If I want to boot matchbox-window-manager and kweb3 automatically, is it still done with xinit on Jessie?
[15:27] <Lonefish> AiGreek: yes on what option? :p
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[15:27] <AiGreek> open a new topic ^^'
[15:27] <Lonefish> :p thanks
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[15:41] <AiGreek> After 3 hours, my wifi finally works \o/
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[15:45] <FrozenSolid> i'm having trouble with my raspberry pi camera - i'm trying to setup a camera kiosk that boots directly into the camera using ubuntu mate, which i've gotten working, but the raspivid program seems to break ctrl+alt+f2 so i can't drop to a tty when needed
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[15:57] <chesty> FrozenSolid: i don't know, but you need a getty on the console, and X to switch to it when you press ctrl+alt+f2 so it works when the raspivid isn't running?
[15:57] <traeak> ugh come back from a weekend and somebody addressed me on this topic
[15:58] <traeak> oh well
[15:58] <FrozenSolid> chesty: the problem is that when raspivid is running, hitting ctrl+alt+f2 seems to change the tty in the background and raspivid is running in the foreground still
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[16:01] <chesty> and it works when raspivid isn't running?
[16:01] <FrozenSolid> correct
[16:02] <FrozenSolid> in fact, while raspivid is running i can ctrl+alt+f2, type in my username, hit enter, type in my password, hit enter, type killall -9 raspivid - and suddenly i have full tty access again
[16:02] <chesty> ah, raspivid is in fullscreen mode
[16:02] <FrozenSolid> so raspivid takes over the display completely, andi can't figure out how to stop that
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[16:16] <mlelstv> -preview
[16:16] <mlelstv> Preview window settings <'x,y,w,h'>
[16:16] <mlelstv> -fullscreen
[16:16] <mlelstv> Fullscreen preview mode
[16:16] <mlelstv> maybe this?
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[16:17] <knobo> Can I configure a gpio pin to be just "open or closed"?
[16:18] <knobo> where "open" is "short circuit"
[16:18] <gordonDrogon> yes.
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[16:19] <gordonDrogon> but short circuit to 3.3v or 0v ... you configure the pin as an output.
[16:19] <mgottschlag> in that terminology, closed = gpio input
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[16:19] <gordonDrogon> indeed.
[16:19] <gordonDrogon> and remove the internal pull-up/down resistor
[16:20] <mgottschlag> knobo: that doesn't always work though, it only works if your external circuitry is <3.3V
[16:20] <mgottschlag> if it isn't (one example would be if you try to switch a computer on by shorting the power switch), you need another transistor
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[16:23] <knobo> so, it maybe better to have an external open/close logic with a transistor.
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[16:24] <FrozenSolid> mlelstv: doesn't seem to make a difference
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[16:25] <gordonDrogon> what's the actual application?
[16:26] <FrozenSolid> raspivid
[16:26] <gordonDrogon> ie. what is it that you need to short-circuit ( knobo )
[16:26] <FrozenSolid> oh sorry
[16:26] <gordonDrogon> :)
[16:26] <knobo> gordonDrogon: open/closing a gate.
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[16:26] <knobo> I can find the spec for the gate.
[16:27] <gordonDrogon> I'd suggest erring on the safe side and use a mechanical relay - buffered by a transistor to the Pi - or one of hte many commercial relay boards - e.g. PiFace ...
[16:27] <daveake> me too
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[16:31] <engblom> I would want to get my raspberry pi online using wifi. The problem is that I do not have any monitor to attach to the pi, so I will not be able to boot first and then configure. I am able to mount the card from another computer
[16:32] <Berg> you can use vnc
[16:32] <engblom> I have got it to fetch IP by editing /etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf and /etc/network/interfaces
[16:32] <Berg> tightvncserver and client
[16:32] <engblom> Still I am not able to SSH into it
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[16:33] <nemesit|znc> is there a minimal raspbian image? I'd like to remove all that junk like libreoffice or whatever it has
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[16:33] <Berg> you can use dietpi it has nothing
[16:33] <engblom> nemesit|znc: Raspbian-Lite is quite small
[16:33] <Chillum> COOL! The PP22 and PP23 are USB -/+ and PP1 and PP6 are pos/neg power. That means I can make pogo pin based mounts for a pi zero that can use the USB port while keeping the tiny form factor
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[16:33] <Berg> minibian
[16:33] <nemesit|znc> that sounds good
[16:34] <Chillum> one thing I dislike about the Pi's in general is that the usb is not broken out to pins
[16:34] <Berg> hello world im berg i live under a rock in australia
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[16:34] <nemesit|znc> Berg: could use arch but raspbian is probably better supoorted by third party stuff
[16:34] <engblom> The advantage of Rasbian-Lite over Minibian is that you have the default Raspbian repositories with oraclejava and configuration tools, if you feel you want them
[16:35] <Berg> yes rasbian is very good
[16:35] <Chillum> I was going to desolder the usb connector but this is far easier
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[16:35] <engblom> Ok, so back to my problem. It seem to fetch an IP (my modem tells so), but I am not able to ssh into it. What should I do? I could manually mount the card again from another computer and edit any file
[16:35] <mgottschlag> Chillum: indeed, although pogo pins are still annoying enough :)
[16:35] <nemesit|znc> engblom: thx
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[16:36] <Chillum> mgottschlag: true. I am more likely to solder to the pads. Needing a micro-usb adapter really blows the whole form factor
[16:36] <Chillum> going to solder wifi to the pads, and hook GPS to the serial gpios. Then make a tiny very low power war walker
[16:37] <Chillum> send it up on my quadcopter
[16:37] <mgottschlag> a while ago someone linked an USB hub which was a PCB which had contacts in the same places and was reflowed onto the pi's PCB
[16:37] <Chillum> just need to actually find a pizero for actual sale
[16:37] <mgottschlag> that was in interesting idea imho :D
[16:37] <mgottschlag> (also way to complicated though)
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[16:37] <Chillum> mgottschlag: I am looking at tiny pcb based hubs to take apart hehe
[16:39] <mgottschlag> Chillum: https://openhardwarecoza.wordpress.com/2015/12/07/raspberry-pi-zero-4-port-usb-hub-open-source-pcb-design/ that was it
[16:39] <Chillum> mgottschlag: ohh neat
[16:40] <Apocx> Only downside to that is he used a USB full speed IC :/
[16:40] <mgottschlag> yeah
[16:40] <Chillum> looks like the hardest part to solder is the LQFP-32, I can do those
[16:40] <Apocx> high speed or bust!
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[16:41] <Chillum> nice he has a schematic. That means I can integrate the design into whatever hat(beenie?) for the pizero I make
[16:41] <Chillum> what do you call a smaller hat?
[16:41] <chesty> engblom: what's the error message you get when you try to ssh?
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[16:43] <engblom> chesty: It is just timing out. It is not even anwering to ping
[16:43] <engblom> chesty: Still the modem tells it got an IP
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[16:44] <chesty> weird, ok. this is raspbian?
[16:44] <Apocx> engblom, is the IP it gives you "active"? cause the Pi should respond to pings
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[16:44] <Apocx> try pinging the hostname (raspberrypi)
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[16:45] <engblom> ping raspberrypi
[16:45] <engblom> PING raspberrypi (192.168.1.37) 56(84) bytes of data.
[16:45] <engblom> From knstlt017 (192.168.1.34) icmp_seq=1 Destination Host Unreachable
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[16:46] <engblom> 192.168.1.37 is the same IP as my modem tells me is used by it.
[16:46] <chesty> what's the ip address you're pinging from? can you ping it from the modem?
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[16:48] <engblom> chesty: No, the modem does not allow pinging, but I can ping from this laptop all other computers on this network
[16:48] <Apocx> well make sure the connection for your pi is Active on your modem admin page. cause it sounds like it's not plugged in
[16:48] <engblom> Apocx: This through wireless
[16:49] <Apocx> Then it sounds like the wireless isn't configured properly. is the connection active or inactive according to your modem
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[16:50] <Apocx> each modem is different, so yours may only list active connections and not active ones. mine will say whether each device is active/inactive though.
[16:50] <Apocx> *inactive
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[16:50] <chesty> engblom: mount the sd card on your pc, and create a bash script that's something like while :; do #lots of commands to look at the wifi config > /log.txt; sleep 10; done, then add to rc.local bash /usr/local/bin/yourscript &
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[16:54] <chesty> engblom: what distro is it btw? it's weird that it gets an ip but can't be pinged. that could be a firewall, but raspbian doesn't have a firewall enabled by default
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[17:04] <Chillum> I am going to make a version of that direct solder USB hub that has built in wifi
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[17:06] <Apocx> you should replace the IC with a high-speed USB IC while you're at it so you get decent Wifi speeds
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[17:07] <Apocx> since 1.5Kb/s is not exactly fast
[17:08] <Chillum> hmmm, I could. I would have to do a lot more research first
[17:08] <Chillum> assembly is easier than design
[17:08] <Apocx> true
[17:08] <Chillum> do you have a chip you can recommend?
[17:09] <Chillum> some of the sub hub chips have build in ethernet, through ethernet is such a huge jack I don't think it is worth including
[17:09] <Chillum> s/sub/hub/
[17:09] <Apocx> only chip I've really used it the same on one the Pi 2
[17:09] <mgottschlag> last time I looked, there were almost no usb hs hub chips in QFP packages
[17:09] <Chillum> s/sub/usb/
[17:09] <Chillum> early for me, need coffee
[17:09] <Apocx> (LAN9514)
[17:10] <Chillum> mgottschlag: ya, the ball packages are difficult
[17:10] <mgottschlag> well, the pi's one is QFN, which doesn't have balls but is difficult enough to solder :D
[17:10] <mgottschlag> not really possible anymore with an iron
[17:10] <Chillum> I have paste and a hot air blower, it is pretty good for that kind of thing. Not so good for BGA
[17:11] <Chillum> but I am building an oven
[17:11] <Apocx> yeah you'd need to reflow it
[17:11] <engblom> chesty: Raspbian-Lite
[17:11] <Chillum> the LAN9514 looks like something I could solder. And if it is used in the Pi 2 I can just look at how they wired it in the schematics
[17:11] <Chillum> thanks
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[17:12] <mgottschlag> you could try to go for USB2 Gbit ethernet though if you're already at it :p
[17:12] <Apocx> honestly I'd just stick with the IC he used, ignore what I said :P
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[17:12] <Chillum> is the pi even capable of gbit?
[17:12] <Apocx> 1.5Kb/s is fine for most things the Pi would be doing
[17:12] <yoosi> RPi is 1/100 tops
[17:12] <Apocx> USB2 and Gigabit are kind of oxymorons aren't they?
[17:12] <yoosi> 10/100*
[17:13] <engblom> chesty: The strange thing, now suddenly it began answering both ping and ssh, without me doing anything
[17:13] <Apocx> 480Mbps and all being the cap
[17:13] <mgottschlag> Apocx: you can go much higher than 100Mbit/s though
[17:13] <yoosi> USB with Ethernet is faster than the onboard ethernet
[17:13] <Apocx> true but not gigabit speeds
[17:13] <yoosi> Correct
[17:13] <yoosi> To further complicate matters the USB and NIC share a bus
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[17:13] <yoosi> So frequent read/writes to a usb bottleneck network traffic
[17:13] <yoosi> and vice versa
[17:14] <Apocx> yeah, one of the things I dislike about the Pi honestly
[17:14] <Chillum> I think I will keep it simple, use the chip he chose. Replace on of the USB ports with a wifi dongle. You start with a tiny one, remove the case and solder it directly to the board
[17:14] <Apocx> still a great little board though
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[17:14] <Apocx> Chillium if you are going that far, just buy a cheap wifi module and solder it on
[17:14] <Apocx> I mean you can salvage one from a USB dongle I guess but it's just an extra step
[17:15] <Apocx> just a thought :P
[17:15] <Chillum> what type of wifi module do you mean if not usb?
[17:15] <Apocx> I mean a usb wifi module, just one designed to be soldered onto boards
[17:15] <yoosi> WiFi modules can be connected to GPIO
[17:15] <Chillum> ah. Did not know they made those Apocx
[17:16] <Chillum> yoosi: do you mean something like a esp8266?
[17:16] <Apocx> yeah that uses SPI as I recall
[17:16] <Apocx> speeds suffer but then again with USB full speed caps it might not be much different
[17:17] <Chillum> I have a pile of $5 wifi dongles I use for Pis and they work good. Taken apart they are really tiny
[17:17] <yoosi> Chillum: yes
[17:17] <Apocx> use one of those then, whatever is easiest
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[17:17] <Chillum> an 8266 will not work for what I am doing. I need access to raw packets
[17:17] <Apocx> I just like my designs to be clean, meaning no jumper wires :)
[17:18] <yoosi> I've never done it myself. I have a drawer full of cheapo USB wlan cards froma bulk eBay order ages ago
[17:18] <Chillum> Apocx: was going to directly solder the two boards together, since i am making the PCB it will be attached to I can customize it
[17:18] <yoosi> Chillum: What is your project?
[17:18] <Apocx> gotcha
[17:18] <Chillum> 8266 is more of a serial to wifi bridge
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[17:19] <traeak> usb wifi seems to be the biggest drain of power
[17:19] <Chillum> yoosi: it is a flying wifi mapping tool with various automatic data gathering features
[17:19] <yoosi> For site surveys or wardriving?
[17:19] <traeak> Chillum: just buy and android phone and you'll get that for free
[17:19] <Chillum> warflying
[17:19] <yoosi> traeak: Where's the fun in that?
[17:19] <Apocx> quadcopter involved I take it?
[17:19] <Chillum> android phones are not very weight or power efficient
[17:20] <Chillum> yes quadcopter
[17:20] <traeak> but they're great at collecting data. just intercept the stream going back to google :-p
[17:20] <Chillum> I prefer computers that do as their told and nothing else
[17:20] <traeak> sry off topic :-p
[17:20] <yoosi> traeak: Or use a dedicated app like WiGle
[17:20] <yoosi> or whatever their capitalization is
[17:21] <Chillum> androids are fine toys, but I would not consider them a proper OS to do any real work on
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[17:21] <traeak> i agree...amazing google has the dominating market they have, and that chromeos has exploded as well.
[17:22] <yoosi> My nieces and nephews are assigned ChromeBooks for school. I admire the build quality. They are plastic tanks with awesome battery life.
[17:22] <Apocx> I still have nightmares about writing apps for Android
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[17:23] <yoosi> They cynic in me has issues with Google being forced on students though
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[17:23] <yoosi> For similar reasons to my frusteration with turnitin.com or whatever the mass collection site was
[17:24] <yoosi> Terms of Agreement basically said anything uploaded became their property
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[17:24] <yoosi> It was required by teachers to prove we weren't plagarizing
[17:24] <Apocx> Wait...doesn't that mean EVERYONE using turnitin.com is in fact plagarizing?
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[17:24] <Apocx> If it is then property of turnitin.com?
[17:24] <Apocx> :P
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[17:25] <yoosi> I'm having trouble containing my excitement for the PiZero
[17:26] <abnormal> oh/
[17:26] <Apocx> I'm not. I still haven't opened mine yet
[17:26] <yoosi> Wife plans to visit Barnes & Noble at opening near their expected arrival
[17:26] <yoosi> Apocx: Send it to me ;)
[17:26] <abnormal> having fun with your PiZero eh?
[17:26] <Apocx> If shipping didn't cost more than the Pi maybe :P
[17:26] <Chillum> I wish
[17:27] <yoosi> Apocx: You located near Seattle?
[17:27] <Apocx> I'll probably mess with it after my current project (custom HAT for the Pi 2)
[17:27] <Apocx> no :/
[17:27] <yoosi> Ah
[17:27] <yoosi> I recently built a hat to interface with a 16 x 2 LCD and a relay wired to some electircal outlets
[17:28] <Chillum> pp1 is + 5v, pp6 is -, pp22 and pp23 are usb data. Do we know what the other test points are yet?
[17:28] <yoosi> Christmas light display... The darn thing is so noisy though I can't bear to use it
[17:29] <Apocx> What is noisy? The relays?
[17:29] <mgottschlag> Chillum: the SD card is broken out, that's the row of contacts near the card
[17:29] <mgottschlag> and there are images on the net where all contacts are labelled
[17:30] <Chillum> nice
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[17:30] <Chillum> mgottschlag: hmmm, that means you could feasibly replace the SD card with a dynamic source of data
[17:30] * Chillum starts on a network boot adapter!
[17:30] <Chillum> (not really)
[17:31] <mgottschlag> apart from that, I'd just ask myself, what does the manufacturer need to test the board?
[17:31] <mgottschlag> those are the pins which are broken out :D
[17:31] <mgottschlag> (e.g. one will be reset)
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[17:32] <Chillum> I am making a hat for my Pi2 that has a Teensy 3.1 on it. It allows for control of about 8000 WS2812 RGB leds at high framerate. To talk to the teensy fast enough I have to use the USB to get 1 megabaud, the GPIO serial is far slower than USB serial. I wish the Pi 2 has usb on the GPIO pins
[17:32] <Chillum> the usb on the test pins is the next best thing
[17:32] <Apocx> Honestly the Pi Zero just feels like a less useful Compute Module
[17:32] <Apocx> Give me a Pi 2 CM please
[17:32] <Chillum> is there test points on the pi2 for USB data?
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[17:33] <mgottschlag> hm, I thought the pi's uart worked well at 1Mbaud
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[17:33] <Chillum> I could not get close to that, but through USB no problem
[17:33] <mgottschlag> the compute module is just way too expensive
[17:33] <Chillum> I am not the only one, others have had this problem
[17:33] <Chillum> so I have this lovely hat that fits on the GPIOs, then I have a cable connecting it to the usb port which is ugly
[17:33] <Apocx> It is, but having it slot into a custom PCB you create is so very satisfying
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[17:37] <Apocx> They need to just add a Wifi chip to the Zero and call it a day. Go for broke and make the C.H.I.P obsolete.
[17:37] <Apocx> still haven't gotten my CHIP yet either. wonder when those will actually ship out
[17:37] <chesty> engblom: sometimes old mac addresses get cached and it can cause temporary problems with new equipment
[17:38] <mgottschlag> I wanted to buy the CHIP and then desolder that nice tiny CPU module... and then they replaced it with a TQFP cpu -.-
[17:38] <Chillum> Apocx: analog audio would be nice but I can see why they left it out
[17:39] <Chillum> I wanted to order a CHIP, but I find the kickstarter pre-orders are a flip of the coin at best
[17:39] <Apocx> mgottschlag: doh! :P
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[17:39] <Apocx> Never needed analog audio myself
[17:39] <Apocx> can't the Zero support it still?
[17:39] <Apocx> some hackish way
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[17:39] <Chillum> sort of
[17:39] <Chillum> you can get a square wave from a GPIO
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[17:40] <Chillum> it sounds terrible, but you can add some capacitors and resisters to get a proper sound
[17:40] <Apocx> aha
[17:40] <Chillum> or a DAC if you want it to be really good
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[17:41] <Chillum> you can redirect the internal pins for audio to GPIO pins, normally they are not broken out but you can remap them. Then add the hardware and you get Pi 2 level sound. Add a DAC and you can get proper sound card sound
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[17:41] <Chillum> I like analog audio out because I use festival(flight actually, faster) to have my Pi speak to me through headphones
[17:41] <Chillum> cheaper than a display
[17:42] <Apocx> ah cool
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[17:44] <Chillum> Apocx: how does the Raspberry Pi Compute Module compare with the zero? The CM looks pricey
[17:44] <Apocx> CM is based on the Pi 1, so Zero may be faster not sure. Don't know what kind of specs the Zero has
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[17:45] <Apocx> point of the CM is to embed it in your own custom PCB, which you can have custom components on
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[17:45] <Apocx> mainly for industrial uses
[17:45] <Apocx> not really a general consumer thing
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[17:45] <Chillum> with the nearly flat form factor of the zero you could solder it directly to a board. You may need some drill holes for where the ports are soldered on, but the bottom is otherwise flat
[17:46] <Chillum> I am planning on attaching it directly to boards
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[17:46] <yoosi> Apocx: Yes. The relays make a loud click. I thought it'd be muffled by the gang box but I was wrong
[17:46] <Apocx> I just love the idea of SoM boards. Especially when you can just replace the module when a new one comes out and BAM, your board is instantly faster and better. assuming modules are backwards compatible (which the CM is--or so they claim it will be)
[17:46] <Chillum> I wanted a CM, but the price it too high
[17:46] <Chillum> it seems it was not popular enough to drive the cost down
[17:46] <Apocx> since they still haven't released the second CM >:(
[17:47] <Apocx> $35 isn't bad IMO
[17:47] <Apocx> same price as a regular Pi
[17:47] <Chillum> the zero without the usb/hdmi ports attached would be something I would want
[17:48] <Chillum> since the usb/sd card is broken out into the test pins and everything else is available by GPIO they are not needed for embedded apps
[17:48] <Apocx> yoosi: Quieter relays? Or a different type of switching mechanism.
[17:48] <Chillum> get some SSDs, or just use LEDs with built in controllers like ws2812s.
[17:48] <abnormal> solid state relays
[17:48] <Apocx> Yes those
[17:49] <Apocx> Pretty sure SSRs are silent aren't they?
[17:49] <Apocx> or atleast pretty damn quiet compared to standard relays
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[17:49] <abnormal> yes
[17:49] <abnormal> very silent
[17:49] <abnormal> unless you can hear the electrons flowing thru
[17:50] <abnormal> lol
[17:50] <Mr_Sheesh> Silent unless you way overcurrent or overvoltage them, causing them to go BANG
[17:50] <Chillum> geez it is early, I said SSDs but I meant SSRs
[17:50] <Chillum> need coffee!!!
[17:50] <Mr_Sheesh> Always!
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[17:54] <gordonDrogon> SSRs are silent and you can get zero crossing ones too.
[17:54] <gordonDrogon> Do make sure they'll fire with the Pi's 3.3v though - some are 5v only.
[17:54] <gordonDrogon> the ones I use do fire at 3.3v but their internal indicator LED doesn't light )-:
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[17:56] <yoosi> Apocx: Next year I'll use solid state relays. This was a last minute project to occupy my time while my newborn daughter periodically needed attention in the wee hours of the morning. I only used tools I already had on hand
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[17:58] <styler2go> So, i got some LED strips. Is there some way to control them with GPIO?
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[17:58] <styler2go> withotu any extra tools?
[17:59] <methuzla> depends, need more info on what the strips are
[17:59] <styler2go> just some led strips :o
[17:59] <methuzla> got a link?
[17:59] <Chillum> there is not such thing as "just some led strips", there are many types
[18:00] <styler2go> they have an IR remote
[18:00] <styler2go> but they are not W282 or whatever those special ones are called
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[18:01] <Chillum> sounds like they have a built in controller if they ahve a remote.
[18:01] <Chillum> likely a single bus pwm based strip
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[18:02] <styler2go> hmm
[18:02] <yoosi> styler2go: take pics and upload them or supply a link to the product where you purchased them please
[18:02] <yoosi> We need more information
[18:03] <styler2go> yoosi: I'll take pics, don't have a link
[18:03] <yoosi> Thanks
[18:03] <styler2go> no, thank you :)
[18:03] <yoosi> Neopixels are trendy right now. I'm thinking of buying some myself...
[18:04] <methuzla> yoosi pi's can't control neopixels directly
[18:04] <yoosi> I've had a lot of fun playing with common cathode RGB LEDs lately. I need to learn more about shift registers to play with them in bulk
[18:04] <yoosi> methuzla: I'd probably use an Arduino to drive neopixels. I haven't done too much with Raspberry Pi GPIO yet
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[18:04] <methuzla> styler2go is there a small box or blob or something at one end of the strip?
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[18:09] <styler2go> methuzla: for the power and IR remote
[18:10] <methuzla> probably. is there a label on that?
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[18:10] <stryngs> Hello. I'm looking to "emulate" a raspberry pi. Ideally, I'm looking for an emulator that would let me choose what is on the SD card. ANy ideas?
[18:11] <styler2go> QEMU maybe?
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[18:13] <exobuzz> qemu works.
[18:13] <exobuzz> so long as you dont need to emulator the gpu etc. for cpu / os it's fine
[18:13] <exobuzz> s/emulator/emulate
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[18:15] <traeak> use rpi2 for lan party type stuff...urban terror and stuff like diablo1 would be kewl
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[18:17] <stryngs> With QEMU, can I place something like OSMC on the card, have it format the machine, and then boot into the OSMC environment looking just like the Pi, if it were on?
[18:17] <traeak> neither of which run on the rpi2 :(
[18:18] <exobuzz> that wouldn't work - well Kodi wouldn't work
[18:18] <exobuzz> read this - https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=29&t=37386
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[18:19] <stryngs> Hmm
[18:19] <stryngs> Thank u for the link, I'll try it
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[18:37] <styler2go> Here are the pictures of the led strip: http://styler2go.de/bilder/ledstrip/
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[18:39] <snowkidind> what are the part numbers on that controller ic
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[18:40] <snowkidind> might have to use macro mode to get a shot in focus if you want to put up a picture member:styler2go
[18:41] <styler2go> on the controller on the board?
[18:41] <snowkidind> yea the two 8 pin ics
[18:42] <methuzla> styler2go what "extra tools" are you trying to avoid?
[18:42] <styler2go> a new controller or
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[18:43] <snowkidind> you need the datasheet for the unit that is controlling them now
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[18:43] <snowkidind> those may just be current drivers
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[18:43] <snowkidind> (probably are now that i think about it
[18:43] <styler2go> the big one is saying ATMEL529
[18:44] <styler2go> the very small ones A52HB
[18:44] <styler2go> A25HB
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[18:46] <DoctorD90> Good evening guys! :D i got this one: http://it.aliexpress.com/item/MPU9250-BMP280-10DOF-Acceleration-Gyroscope-Compass-Nine-Shaft-Sensor-Module-GY-91/32537956152.html ...i would ask you, how connect to rpi :) ...in VIN i should put 3v, GND to GND....SDA/SCL to SDA/SCL...but others? 0o
[18:46] <methuzla> styler2go redo IMG_2100.jpg with the whole label in focus
[18:46] <methuzla> styler2go redo IMG_2103.jpg with the chip labels readable
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[18:47] <styler2go> tryign right now
[18:47] <snowkidind> ^^
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[18:47] <mgottschlag> methuzla: I think you can ignore them
[18:47] <methuzla> styler2go but these are basically RGB LEDS and controlling them can be done various ways
[18:48] <mgottschlag> not sure though
[18:48] <mgottschlag> usually, some of them are to connect a second sensor
[18:48] <snowkidind> you basically need to get datasheets by getting the part number and scour digikey until you find something repeat until an understanding is gained
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[18:49] <snowkidind> depends if they have chip on board or are remotely controlled
[18:49] <snowkidind> some of them take a serial signal and you can have independent control of every light
[18:49] <snowkidind> then you need to figure out the specs of the led itself
[18:50] <mgottschlag> styler2go: 24C... sounds like EEPROM memory
[18:50] <snowkidind> what i am guessing is that these are a bit dumber than that
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[18:51] <snowkidind> those are probably current drivers and the stuff under the black hardened gel’ish stuff is probably the microcontroller
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[18:51] <methuzla> styler2go also take a photo of the other side of the control board
[18:51] <styler2go> methuzla: it ha sno other side
[18:52] <snowkidind> what is probably happening is the mcu is telling the current driver to open / close and thats about it so what you need to hack is the 100011101011 that feeds the current driver
[18:53] <snowkidind> so find the spec on the current driver and hijack the input pin and you are in like flynn
[18:53] <Chillum> snowkidind: that makes sense
[18:53] <Chillum> and cdrivers tend to be fine with 3.3v signals, bonus!
[18:53] <snowkidind> you can probably guess by process of elimination and a meter
[18:54] <styler2go> http://styler2go.de/bilder/ledstrip/board.jpg thats the board with labels
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[18:55] <snowkidind> pretty obvious pin 4 of the 529
[18:55] <styler2go> the upper cables, the 2 white ones, are form the IR sensor
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[18:56] <styler2go> the bottom ones RGB and power i guess
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[18:57] <mgottschlag> the bottom one is an EEPROM :)
[18:57] <snowkidind> yea i just concluded that
[18:57] <mgottschlag> ah, wait
[18:57] <snowkidind> http://www.atmel.com/Images/doc3256.pdf
[18:57] <mgottschlag> you are talking about cables... -.-
[18:57] <styler2go> :D
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[18:58] <mgottschlag> actualy, it should be pretty simple to replace that MCU with something different
[18:58] <snowkidind> that doesnt line up with what im seeing though
[18:58] <mgottschlag> there's just one transistor per RGB wire
[18:58] <mgottschlag> and the MCU just provides a PWM signal
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[18:58] <styler2go> i do not know any about this :/
[18:58] <snowkidind> pins 1234 are all connected
[18:59] <mgottschlag> yeah, all address pins are pulled down
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[19:00] <snowkidind> so its all about the clock on/off eh?
[19:01] <mgottschlag> styler2go: I missed the earlier part of the conversation... this LED stripe just flashes a fixed pattern, right?
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[19:01] <engblom> Anyone got any idea why I get this when trying to open a port through clj-gpio: CompilerException java.io.IOException: Device or resource busy, compiling:(form-init6084272111461668321.clj:1:11)
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[19:03] <mgottschlag> I wonder why they even need EEPROM there, an MCU with slightly more memory would have been much cheaper (unless this is actually an ASIC, and not a microcontroller, but that would make even less sense)
[19:03] <styler2go> mgottschlag: no i have an IR
[19:03] <styler2go> i can control any color
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[19:03] <nemesit|znc> does raspbian work out of the box with that edimax wlan adapter?
[19:03] <styler2go> and brightness
[19:03] <Chillum> mgorbach: I was wondering about that too, possibly so they can have the IR codes separated?
[19:03] <mgottschlag> styler2go: huh, that microcontroller is not connected to any IR receiver... is that logic on a separate board?
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[19:03] <Chillum> for different remotes
[19:04] <snowkidind> the outputs are current drivers for each color
[19:04] <styler2go> mgottschlag: the upper 3 cables are from the IR
[19:04] <styler2go> the white ones
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[19:04] <mgottschlag> ah, I see
[19:04] <mgottschlag> it's pin 4 of that microcontroller
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[19:05] <Chillum> styler2go: have you been to ##electronics? They are good for help at this sort of thing. They are good at it here too though!
[19:05] <mgottschlag> Chillum: yeah, with a metal-programmed microcontroller that might make sense
[19:05] <snowkidind> whats the brand name of leds?
[19:05] <Chillum> my thinking precisely
[19:05] <styler2go> well if it is that complicated i might just buy a different controller
[19:06] <mgottschlag> I'd expect the LEDs to be just dumb RGB LEDs, driven with PWM
[19:06] <styler2go> PWM? power managment?
[19:06] <snowkidind> have you tried looking for a schematic?
[19:06] <mgottschlag> pulse width modulation
[19:06] <styler2go> i knwo that from comptuer fans
[19:06] <mgottschlag> the longer the pulse, the higher the ration of on-time vs off-time and the brighter the LED
[19:06] <mgottschlag> yeah, same principle
[19:06] <mgottschlag> *ratio
[19:07] <mgottschlag> you could easily generate that signal with a pi
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[19:07] <styler2go> but PWm can't control the color, can it?
[19:07] <snowkidind> worst case you can always get your own current driver and just start from scratch
[19:07] <styler2go> oh wait
[19:07] <mgottschlag> 3x PWM can control all 3 basic colors
[19:07] <styler2go> less power on one color strip = other color
[19:07] <Chillum> ya
[19:07] <styler2go> yeah :D
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[19:09] <snowkidind> is this it? http://www.lightinthebox.com/waterproof-5m-300x3528-smd-rgb-led-strip-light-and-44key-remote-controller-and-3a-uk-power-supply-ac110-240v_p2256317.html?currency=USD&litb_from=paid_adwords_shopping
[19:09] <Chillum> you can actually take the decimal equivalent of RGB codes for colors(like red #FF0000 = 255,0,0) and apply those values to the pwm.
[19:09] <styler2go> but i cant control that with just the GPIO right?
[19:09] <Chillum> ohh styler2go you could if you wanted to just teach an arduino or Pi to send out IR signals to the existing controller
[19:09] <snowkidind> does pi have a pwm?
[19:10] <Chillum> or is that an rf controller?
[19:10] <mgottschlag> the pi has PWM, but 100Hz-PWM is easily emulated in software
[19:10] <styler2go> snowkidind: looks exactly same
[19:10] <mgottschlag> although under high CPU load software-PWM tends to flicker
[19:10] <styler2go> snowkidind: my Power Supply is 2A tho
[19:10] <snowkidind> ok
[19:11] <gordonDrogon> you can reduce the flicker by running the softPwm task at a higher real-time priority - it's not perfect, but better.
[19:11] <snowkidind> so its no brand
[19:11] <styler2go> yes
[19:12] <gordonDrogon> a Pi with a 40-pin GPIO connector has 2 hardware PWM channels avalilable.
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[19:12] <deshipu> servoblaster uses dma to generate pwm
[19:12] <Chillum> I tend to use an arduino for when I need pwm. Those tasks rarely call for an entire operating system
[19:12] <Apocx> https://www.adafruit.com/products/2885
[19:12] <Apocx> ~10 left, get em while they're hot
[19:12] <Chillum> when I do need a pi I use the pi to talk to an arduino to control stuff that needs good timing
[19:12] <snowkidind> i used to do it with a microchip pic
[19:13] <styler2go> Apocx: ordered
[19:13] <Apocx> Getchur' Pi Zero here!
[19:13] <gordonDrogon> I think pigpio also does the same/similar with the dma engine to pwm any pins. one day I'll do something like that in wiringPi ...
[19:13] <styler2go> thankks Apocx
[19:13] <Chillum> Apocx: you got one? I want!
[19:13] <Apocx> https://www.adafruit.com/products/2885
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[19:14] <Apocx> 8 remaining
[19:14] <Apocx> 7
[19:14] <styler2go> wtf ok no, they want 30USD for delivery
[19:14] <styler2go> wtf
[19:14] <Apocx> what? really?
[19:14] * mlelstv wished the PWM channels were free to use.
[19:14] <styler2go> yes
[19:14] <Apocx> odd, it's cheap when I order from them
[19:14] <styler2go> http://p.styler2go.de/?133
[19:14] <styler2go> way too much
[19:14] <Apocx> oh
[19:14] <Apocx> are you not US?
[19:14] <gordonDrogon> styler2go, please try to keep it family friendly...
[19:15] <Apocx> Adafruit is in NY, USA
[19:15] <styler2go> I am german
[19:15] <Apocx> that explains the high shipping
[19:15] <Apocx> sorry :(
[19:15] <styler2go> :(
[19:15] <Apocx> 2 left
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[19:15] <styler2go> Ok i will remove my zero from basket
[19:15] <Apocx> All gone, that's all she wrote
[19:15] <Chillum> ahhh bugger "We have insufficient stock to fill this order. Please update the items marked as [[[OUT OF STOCK]]] in order to check out. "
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[19:16] <styler2go> thats so sad
[19:16] <Apocx> :(
[19:16] <Chillum> that did not last long
[19:16] <Chillum> I went fast too
[19:16] <Apocx> They sell out quick
[19:16] <Chillum> christ
[19:16] <styler2go> everyone wants one
[19:16] <Apocx> Probably people buying them to relist on eBay..
[19:16] <deshipu> my precioussssss
[19:16] <Chillum> Apocx: ^^ that
[19:16] <styler2go> i saw them on ebay for 30€
[19:16] <Chillum> they are going for 30+ on ebay
[19:16] <styler2go> yeah
[19:16] <Apocx> Yeah
[19:16] <mlelstv> but why?
[19:17] <Apocx> Evil evil people
[19:17] <styler2go> https://www.adafruit.com/products/2816
[19:17] <styler2go> thats avail tho
[19:17] <gordonDrogon> the original Pi's were doing for over �100 on ebay when they first came out.
[19:17] <styler2go> just get the package then
[19:17] <Chillum> mlelstv: because they can make them to sell at $5 but not as fast as people want them
[19:17] <Apocx> Yeah that's how I got mine. Though the bundle I bought from them was $29
[19:17] <deshipu> doesn't matter, though, as long as they sell, the original makers are making a profit and will produce more
[19:17] <Chillum> until they catch up with demand the secondary market will be a higher price
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[19:17] <Apocx> https://www.adafruit.com/products/2817
[19:17] <Apocx> Also in stock
[19:17] <gordonDrogon> I missed the ordering from the official places so got one via ebay - so I paid over the top, but I had a Pi the day after..
[19:17] <Apocx> $29 not bad for all accessories
[19:17] <gordonDrogon> simple economics of supply vs demand.
[19:18] <styler2go> need to find a german store
[19:18] <mlelstv> chillum, true. But why buying a rpi0 at $30 when you get a rpi1 and almost a rpi2 at the same price?
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[19:18] <traeak> microcenter 30usd for rpi2, dealextreme has trash cheap cases
[19:18] <Chillum> mlelstv: nerds gunna nerd
[19:18] <traeak> i think power is the most questionable thing...
[19:18] <gordonDrogon> A Pi 2 or B+ isn't a Zero ...
[19:18] <snowkidind> they should airdrop a ton of these in north korea programmed with news of the world and photoshop pictures of kim jong
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[19:19] <styler2go> lol
[19:19] <Apocx> gordonDrogon: You are right, they are quite a bit more useful!
[19:19] <Apocx> ;)
[19:19] <Chillum> snowkidind: tor preinstalled, preprogramed with mesh networking and wifi dongles
[19:19] <mlelstv> very vew people will care for the difference :)
[19:19] <styler2go> But why can'T they producte the pi0 fast enough?
[19:19] <traeak> if i were to mass produce stuff a zero would make tons of sense as a controller
[19:19] <styler2go> never understood that
[19:19] <gordonDrogon> I'm sure after the new year that supplies will be back up again.
[19:20] <gordonDrogon> meanwhile A+s are still available - not quite a Zero, but more or less...
[19:20] <Chillum> those zeros look reasonable to build yourself. Once they publish the open source hardward schematic and board design on it
[19:20] <gordonDrogon> and can be used to develop a project before replacing it with a zero.
[19:20] <traeak> in fat i bet that people already using original rpi in products love the zero
[19:20] <styler2go> gordonDrogon: It's all about the size
[19:20] <Apocx> Doesn't hte Pi still use the RAM on CPU design as the Pi 2?
[19:20] <Apocx> Doesn't the Zero*
[19:20] <gordonDrogon> Chillum, and where will you get the SoC from?
[19:20] <Apocx> So it'd be a right pain to make
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[19:21] <Chillum> gordonDrogon: the package on package is probably beyond doing myself, I had not thought of that
[19:21] <gordonDrogon> I think it'd be no worse than using an Arduino to devleop/prototype a project before building it with a dedicated ATmega...
[19:21] <mgottschlag> actually, that RAM-on-CPU design makes designing PCBs much easier :D
[19:21] <Chillum> yes but assembling them?
[19:21] <Apocx> yeah I guess if it came in one package
[19:21] <Apocx> assuming you can get the package, which I don't think you can
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[19:21] <mgottschlag> Chillum: I've never tried, but I'd guess it's not more difficult than assembling regular BGA packages
[19:21] <gordonDrogon> Chillum, the real issue is getting hold if the SoC - simply put; you can't.
[19:22] <Chillum> https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/08/ASIC_%2B_Memory_PoP_Schematic.JPG <-- PoP looks hard to solder without a machine
[19:22] <Apocx> That's Broadcom for you
[19:22] <gordonDrogon> However if you want to build your own, then Farnell will do it for you.
[19:22] <Apocx> Sure, just give them like $50,000
[19:22] <mgottschlag> Chillum: put the RAM onto the CPU, heat it up with hot air, done
[19:22] <mgottschlag> theoretically at least
[19:22] <Chillum> probably
[19:22] <Chillum> that is what most parts are like
[19:23] <gordonDrogon> http://www.element14.com/community/docs/DOC-76955
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[19:25] <snowkidind> thats cool gordon
[19:26] * Chillum writes a perl script to buy a pi zero next time they are available
[19:26] <Chillum> (not really, too much work.)
[19:26] <Apocx> -script goes crazy and buys ALL the Zeros-
[19:26] <snowkidind> theres gotta be a sniper app for that somewhere
[19:26] <Apocx> Maybe *that's* why they are so hard to get
[19:27] <styler2go> Apocx: You found out... Don't share your knowledge.. They will find you...
[19:27] <Apocx> Or if you are really evil, write script to buy Zeros when they are in-stock and automatically relist to eBay.
[19:27] <Apocx> But you'd have to be like...really evil
[19:27] <styler2go> haha
[19:27] <styler2go> i wish they would osmehow control that
[19:28] <styler2go> can't they forbid resellers?
[19:28] <styler2go> i remember that some brands are not allwoed to be sold on ebay
[19:28] <snowkidind> im sure the mfg’s are selling their products on ebay
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[19:28] <DoctorD90> hey gordonDrogon :) good evening :) have you a little experience and i would try to ask your help. I purchased this board: http://it.aliexpress.com/item/MPU9250-BMP280-10DOF-Acceleration-Gyroscope-Compass-Nine-Shaft-Sensor-Module-GY-91/32537956152.html?isOrigTitle=true ...may I ask you how I should connect it to rpi? :)
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[19:29] <DoctorD90> vin to 3v3, GND to ground, sda/scl to sda/scl on rpi...and others?
[19:29] <mgottschlag> DoctorD90: btw, the manual of the MPU9250 will tell you
[19:29] <Chillum> nothing evil about hoarding stuff for profit
[19:30] <DoctorD90> mgottschlag, manual? but i get a board...i dont know how it is wired...or yes?
[19:30] <gordonDrogon> DoctorD90, looks like it might be spi .. or I2C... who knows.
[19:30] <mgottschlag> these boards are usually very simple
[19:30] <mgottschlag> if the names match names of pins in the MPU9250 manual, you can be pretty sure that's a direct connection
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[19:31] <mgottschlag> it's more or less a simple breakout board with a voltage regulator
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[19:31] <gordonDrogon> I'd buy a sense hat, myself ...
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[19:32] <DoctorD90> mgottschlag, so VIN is just a 3-5v energy ingress, with a regulator to 3v3, and 3v3 is direct input?
[19:32] <gordonDrogon> I'm also a frim believer of buying from a local distributor than importing from .cn. That way I can get support in a language I understand, I'm helping to promote the local economy and I'll get the instructions.
[19:32] <snowkidind> if there is that much demand for the zero, they will release a better version soon and then hoarders boards will be obsolete
[19:32] <Apocx> And you also don't have to wait weeks for shipping!
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[19:33] <gordonDrogon> snowkidind, I feel it's unlikely they'll release a batter version, but they'll catch up with production soon. I'm sure Sony in wales are making them as fast as they can right now.
[19:33] <mgottschlag> DoctorD90: ah, didn't see that... anyways, look for a manual for GY-91
[19:33] <DoctorD90> gordonDrogon, DHT11.....8euro :P locally....so...ok to local economy, but i wont pay a premium price so high :P
[19:33] <mgottschlag> you will most likely find one
[19:34] <DoctorD90> also 2-3euro...5! bot no 7-8 euro for a stuff that i can find out at 0,7cent...
[19:34] <snowkidind> im going to be in thailand pretty soon for 5 weeks i was thinking about what kind of footprint they have over there
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[19:34] <snowkidind> seems like i could hook up a few rice paddies with some monitoring systems and get a little business started
[19:35] <DoctorD90> mgottschlag, i havent find out :P and it is my first i2c board i purcahse :D now i finally start to play with rpi during this holidays :D
[19:35] <DoctorD90> mgottschlag, i dont know how to connect anything of this kind xD
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[19:36] <engblom> It looks like I am not able to write to /sys/class/gpio/gpio4/value from a JVM. It is strange as I am able to write as the same user to the same file with "echo '1' >/sys/class/gpio/gpio4/value"
[19:37] <engblom> I am able to read from that particular file inside of a JVM
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[19:37] <gordonDrogon> engblom, the user the jvm runs under might not be in the gpio group.
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[19:37] <gordonDrogon> engblom, just call the gpio command to export it for you... that'll change ownership for you.
[19:37] <engblom> gordonDrogon: The JVM runs as me, with gpio rights
[19:38] <engblom> -rwxrwxrw- 1 root gpio 4096 Dec 21 20:28 /sys/class/gpio/gpio4/value
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[19:38] <engblom> I am inside of the gpio group
[19:38] <engblom> I would not be able to read the file if I would not be inside of the gpio group
[19:39] <mgottschlag> DoctorD90: you certainly managed to buy that single module which doesn't come with documentation
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[19:39] <DoctorD90> sure ^_^ ...my noobish xD
[19:39] <mgottschlag> if you have a multimeter, you'd be best off trying to find out what pin is connected to what pin of the chips
[19:39] <DoctorD90> ah this could be a good idea :)
[19:39] <mgottschlag> if you don't, then why are you doing this if you don't even have a multimeter? :p
[19:39] <gordonDrogon> engblom, maybe the jvm is sandboxing the write?
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[19:40] <engblom> gordonDrogon: I wonder how I check up that thing....
[19:40] <mgottschlag> DoctorD90: see the mpu-9250 datasheet for a description of a pin
[19:40] <DoctorD90> in theory i may follow the "wire" on board...but element on it are all tesistence?
[19:40] <gordonDrogon> engblom, no idea - I don't use j.
[19:40] <mgottschlag> DoctorD90: what do you mean?
[19:41] <engblom> < gordonDrogon> engblom, just call the gpio command to export it for you... that'll change ownership for you.
[19:41] <mgottschlag> DoctorD90: actually, a close look at the online photos already gives away most connections
[19:41] <engblom> What do you mean by that line?
[19:41] <DoctorD90> the board has "track" from chip to each element on board, and to pinout. I may try to follow them. but at a certain point I get "elements"..they are all resistence?
[19:42] <DoctorD90> "222"
[19:42] <DoctorD90> mgottschlag, exactly what i was aiming to :)
[19:42] <gordonDrogon> if you run: gpio export $pin then it will export the pin for you and change ownership to the user calling the gpio command.
[19:42] <mgottschlag> the black ones are resistors, the others capacitors
[19:42] <mgottschlag> ... except for the LED
[19:42] <mgottschlag> and 222 is 2200 Ohm (22 * 10^2)
[19:42] <gordonDrogon> gordon @ pi2$ gpio export 17 out
[19:42] <gordonDrogon> gordon @ pi2$ ls -l /sys/class/gpio/gpio17/value
[19:42] <gordonDrogon> -rw-r--r-- 1 gordon gordon 4096 Dec 21 18:42 /sys/class/gpio/gpio17/value
[19:43] <engblom> gordonDrogon: -bash: gpio: command not found
[19:43] <gordonDrogon> engblom, sudo apt-get install wiringpi
[19:43] <DoctorD90> mgottschlag, ok, so i can "skip" them and continue to follow lines :D
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[19:44] <mgottschlag> not always, some resistors are pullups/pulldowns and are connected to 3.3V/0V, and the interesting connection is e.g. on the other side of the board
[19:44] <gordonDrogon> back to the bake-house. laters...
[19:44] <DoctorD90> in theory, basing on what i have seen untill now, to use VIN-GND-SDA-SCL.....
[19:45] <DoctorD90> mgottschlag, what do you mean with "some resistor are pullup/pulldown" ?
[19:45] <mgottschlag> basically, you only need to find out what the pins mean which you don't know yet, SDA/SCL are obvious :)
[19:45] <mgottschlag> well
[19:45] <mgottschlag> you know how I2C works, electrically?
[19:45] <DoctorD90> mgottschlag, i would mean to start as basic :D
[19:46] <mgottschlag> pullups pul the wire to 3.3V, and the devices pull it down to 0V (strongly, with a transistor) to send signals
[19:46] <DoctorD90> no electrically no....what i know is: run command to detect device....and send/read data....even if i dont know
[19:46] <mgottschlag> which has the advantage that two sending devices can never create a short circuit if one device sends a 1 and the othe a 0 :)
[19:46] <mgottschlag> (because no device will ever strongly pull towards 3.3V, so there is never a strong connection (short circuit) between 3.3V and 0V
[19:47] <mgottschlag> anyways, such circuits are realized with pullup resistors
[19:47] <snowkidind> question: are the gpio pins pretty much the same deal as desktop motherboards have always had at their lower edge, like where you would hook up the internal speaker, etc...
[19:47] <mgottschlag> DoctorD90: http://quick2wire.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/image00.png
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[19:49] <DoctorD90> mgottschlag, just a second that i translate, and understand xD thx!!!
[19:49] <Stanto> snowkidind: not really
[19:49] <snowkidind> but you get what i mean right?
[19:49] <Stanto> maybe
[19:50] <snowkidind> looking for a suitable example
[19:50] <snowkidind> http://media.soundonsound.com/sos/dec03/images/pcmusician1.l.jpg
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[19:51] <snowkidind> bottom left
[19:51] <snowkidind> something like that
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[19:51] <snowkidind> but the older ones had like 40 or more pins
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[19:51] <traeak> no sata
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[19:52] <traeak> agp, fun fun
[19:53] <Apocx> you mean IDE ports?
[19:53] <snowkidind> one lists them as “front panel connectors"
[19:53] <DoctorD90> mgottschlag, from what i have understand, "pullups", set wire to 3v3, device is "activated", do what it does, and then go "off" again....more or less :P
[19:53] <Apocx> or the pin headers?
[19:53] <ali1234> snowkidind: they are nothing like that
[19:53] <snowkidind> i guess
[19:54] <ali1234> snowkidind: the closest equivalent in a PC would be an old style parallel port, except that runs at a different voltage
[19:54] <snowkidind> i was just wondering when the concept of gpio melded into the picture
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[19:54] <snowkidind> e.g. where was it before arduino
[19:54] <t3chguy> GPIO are general purpose, front panel headers have only a single purpose
[19:54] <snowkidind> in out or not
[19:55] <ali1234> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parallel_port
[19:55] <mgottschlag2> DoctorD90: pullups create something like a "default value"
[19:55] <t3chguy> DoctorD90: pullups also prevent floating voltages
[19:55] <Apocx> GPIO is just a 2x20 row of pin headers that the CPU can utilize (in the case of the Pi)
[19:55] <t3chguy> well, or mitigate against floating voltages
[19:56] <Apocx> some of the GPIO pins have specific functions as well, like the SPI, i2c, power, ground, etc. pins
[19:57] <t3chguy> ref: http://pinout.xyz (thanks Gadgetoid)
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[19:57] <snowkidind> wishes he could find something like this for PI’s GPIO and everything else within: http://ww1.microchip.com/downloads/en/DeviceDoc/39632e.pdf
[19:58] <DoctorD90> mgottschlag2, t3chguy sorry...but pullups are resistor? rigth? just to understand :P ..and...ok, they are used to create a default :D
[19:58] <Apocx> you can. other than the datasheet for the broadcom chip itself I guess
[19:58] <DoctorD90> so i havent to "manually" reset to 3v3 :D
[19:58] <t3chguy> yep DoctorD90 they are a relatively large value resistor, to create a default value as wires without any connections on will float (change voltage based on their environment)
[19:58] <snowkidind> anyone care to point me there?
[19:58] <t3chguy> not huge value, normally 1-100k
[19:59] <ali1234> snowkidind: https://www.raspberrypi.org/documentation/hardware/raspberrypi/bcm2835/BCM2835-ARM-Peripherals.pdf
[19:59] <Apocx> oh nice, haven't seen that one before. bookmarked :D
[20:00] <t3chguy> Apocx: you mean pinout.xyz?
[20:00] <t3chguy> its brilliant, made by Sir Gadgetoid of Pimoroni
[20:00] <Encrypt> Hi o/
[20:00] <Apocx> no I've seen that, and that's good too. Was talking about the BCM2835 docs
[20:00] <t3chguy> ah
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[20:00] <snowkidind> page 89 maaaan
[20:00] <t3chguy> I've just ordered a PortPlus so won't need to use pinout.xyz much anymore xD
[20:01] <snowkidind> thanks member:ali1234
[20:01] <Apocx> what is a portplus?
[20:01] <ali1234> i started collecting additional gpio alt function information here: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1nUnaWl_veBKlnqsDwPQUYZNKKiIYhf8f8a6e_bd1cKc/edit?usp=sharing
[20:01] <t3chguy> Apocx: its essentially a PCB with all the pins labelled
[20:01] <t3chguy> that you can slide over the GPIO
[20:01] <Apocx> ah
[20:01] <t3chguy> an still connect things ontop
[20:01] <Apocx> so like the adafruit cobbler boards
[20:01] <ali1234> since the broadcom docs are incomplete with all the stuff released recently
[20:01] <DoctorD90> t3chguy, ok, great :D so to start i may just connect vin-gnd-sda-scl :P ...should i use a resistor "in theory" mgottschlag2 ?
[20:01] <t3chguy> ali1234: https://shop.pimoroni.com/products/raspio-portsplus
[20:01] <t3chguy> whoops
[20:02] <Apocx> I use this one: https://www.adafruit.com/products/2028
[20:02] <t3chguy> wrong nick
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[20:02] <t3chguy> Apocx: https://shop.pimoroni.com/products/raspio-portsplus
[20:02] <Apocx> ah nifty
[20:02] <mgottschlag2> DoctorD90: you don't need any resistors for I2C, and you must not use any resistors for power connections (GND/VIN)
[20:02] <t3chguy> Apocx: I bought one of those, but it doesn't fit through my Pi Zero case xD
[20:02] <ali1234> if you buy a pibow case, it has the same stuff etched in to it...
[20:02] <Apocx> hehe
[20:02] <Apocx> also thanks ali1234 for the links
[20:02] <t3chguy> DoctorD90: in theory there will already be a resistor on the MCU, but it is ALWAYS better to use a discrete resistor pullup
[20:02] <ali1234> except for the pi zero case
[20:03] <t3chguy> ali1234: exactly :P
[20:03] <t3chguy> this is for my Pi Zero, with its PiBow
[20:03] <Chillum> I lot how on the pizero you can install female header and plug it directly into a t-cobbler
[20:03] <Chillum> right angle female header
[20:03] <ali1234> they ship the pi zero with all that info on a smal piece of cardboard :)
[20:03] <t3chguy> lol
[20:03] <DoctorD90> sorry... mgottschlag2 and t3...have say opposite things? 0o
[20:03] <t3chguy> ali1234: not if you bought the most expensive kit
[20:03] <ali1234> with "256MB RAM" crossed out
[20:03] <t3chguy> they only include the cheat sheet in the cheapest two kits
[20:03] <t3chguy> yeah Gadgetoid had to do that xD
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[20:04] <mgottschlag2> DoctorD90: ah, yeah, you might need I2C pullups
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[20:04] <mgottschlag2> but that board definately already has pullups
[20:04] <t3chguy> I wish they included the cheatsheet with the £24 kit, would save me having to get the PortsPlus :P
[20:04] <ali1234> i got the scroll hat kit and it has a duff connector... now i'm going to have to desolder it... that's going to be annoying
[20:04] <mgottschlag2> or, even better, you could use your multimeter to measure the pullup strength
[20:04] <snowkidind> I dont want a cobbler. My favorite: http://osepp.com/products/accessories/6-mf-premium-jumper-wires/
[20:04] <DoctorD90> ok. So i have to follow scheme of image....
[20:05] <DoctorD90> "15k" resistor between Vcc and SDA
[20:05] <snowkidind> got em a t micro center
[20:05] <mgottschlag2> if you measure a resistance between SDA/SCL and 3.3V, you don't need any pullup
[20:05] <t3chguy> erm snowkidind we were discussing things with pin labels on them, not ways of connecting to the GPIO
[20:05] <snowkidind> ok sorry
[20:05] <snowkidind> too many things going on over here i guess
[20:06] <DoctorD90> and scl too
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[20:06] <t3chguy> I agree snowkidind
[20:06] <ScrumpyJack> Scratch (raspbian) on RPi B is chewing up 100%CPU (not-overclocked) on a fresh install. executing scripts is frustrating the kids. Is it just me and my pi?
[20:06] <DoctorD90> 0o mgottschlag2 sorry but i dont measure a resistence 0o ...i have to connect it to rpi 0o like in your image
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[20:07] <mgottschlag2> DoctorD90: make sure that you are not measuring between VIN and SDA/SCL, but between what would be 3.3V and SDA/SCL
[20:08] <DoctorD90> mgottschlag2, ah! do you mean 5v for example? ...only 3v3 :D and sda/scl :D ah ok :D
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[20:09] <mgottschlag2> because there is a voltage regulator between VIN and 3.3V, so there is no direct connection
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[20:10] <DoctorD90> so if i use VIN, i have not use resistence. If i use 3v3, i have to use pullups :D
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[20:10] <t3chguy> no
[20:10] <t3chguy> he means don't measure between VIN and SDA/SCL
[20:10] <t3chguy> and instead measure between the 3v3 Rail within the device and SDA/SCL
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[20:11] <t3chguy> as the Voltage Reg will offset your reading and will make your result garbage
[20:11] <mgottschlag2> DoctorD90: as soon as you put a voltage to VIN, the voltage regulator will start to generate 3.3V, and those 3.3V will be used for the pullups
[20:11] <DoctorD90> t3chguy, what does mean "measure betwee"
[20:11] <mgottschlag2> but you won't be able to measure a resistance across the voltage regulator
[20:11] <t3chguy> DoctorD90: one multimeter probe on SDA/SCL, the other on the 3v3 rail
[20:11] <DoctorD90> ok
[20:12] <DoctorD90> so i have to use only 3v3, and not vin
[20:12] <DoctorD90> or i cant read
[20:12] <mgottschlag2> you can either put 3.3V to 3V3, or put 5V to VIN, both will work
[20:13] <mgottschlag2> (but not both at the same time)
[20:13] <Chillum> those unpopulated pads with solder on them on the top of the pizero just under the raspberry logo look like jumper pads
[20:13] <DoctorD90> ah that is ok...i gotcha this: to put voltage, i may to put 3-5v to vin OR 3v3 in 3v3. GND to GND....now is time to sda scl
[20:14] <mgottschlag2> and I would strongly suggest that you use VIN, and not 3V3, because some regulators don't like to be backpowered
[20:14] <DoctorD90> so i will use VIN, and not 3v3..thx for sugegst
[20:14] <DoctorD90> backpowered measn shutdown ?
[20:14] <DoctorD90> means*
[20:15] <Chillum> also the microsd card won't be happy with 3.3
[20:15] <mgottschlag2> well, powered through their power *output*
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[20:15] <DoctorD90> output?
[20:16] <mgottschlag2> DoctorD90: well, what I mean is that some regulators are damaged when you put power to their output, but not their input
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[20:16] <mgottschlag2> modern regulators usually don't do that anymore though
[20:16] <mgottschlag2> Chillum: the unpopulated parts to me look like space for a linear regulator
[20:17] <mgottschlag2> or a USB power switch
[20:17] <mgottschlag2> as they are sitting between the power USB connector and the 5V pin of the OTG connector
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[20:18] <mgottschlag2> anyways, gtg
[20:18] <Chillum> interesting
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[20:19] <DoctorD90> mgottschlag2, ok, so i will use *only* 3v3 (only, by defaults, if manual doesnt sy other stuff)
[20:20] <mgottschlag2> no, only VIN
[20:20] <DoctorD90> oh yes. sorry mistype
[20:20] <DoctorD90> only vin
[20:20] <DoctorD90> sorry !
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[20:21] <DoctorD90> and between vcc(from what i have understand is the same of vin) and sda, and vcc/scl, i wil put a resistor
[20:21] <t3chguy> DoctorD90: don't do that
[20:22] <t3chguy> pulling the SDA/SCL to 5V might fry your Raspberry Pi
[20:22] <DoctorD90> T_T im not understanding nothing anymore xD
[20:22] <t3chguy> it should be pulled to 3v3
[20:22] <t3chguy> it is likely there is already a resistor for this purpose on the board
[20:22] <t3chguy> thats why mgottschlag2 and I said MEASURE
[20:22] <DoctorD90> t3chguy, i connect 3v3 from rpi to vin 0o
[20:22] <t3chguy> no DoctorD90 , 5V to VIN
[20:22] <deshipu> t3chguy: the pullups on the pi are weak
[20:23] <t3chguy> deshipu: I meant on the device as in the slave device/peripheral
[20:23] <deshipu> slaves usually don't have pullups
[20:23] <DoctorD90> t3chguy, why i cant use directly 3v3 from pi? 0o and i have to use 5v? 0o
[20:24] <DoctorD90> because with a resistor it may change ?
[20:24] <t3chguy> DoctorD90: if its using a Voltage regulator to 3v3 then supplying 3v3 to VIN won't work
[20:24] <t3chguy> as a Voltage Regulator won't boost the voltage
[20:24] <t3chguy> only drop it
[20:24] <mgottschlag2> deshipu: these boards usually do, and the photos also look as if there were pullups
[20:25] <DoctorD90> ok, so i put 3v3, +resistor + voltage regulator......less than 3v3...so i use 5v :) ok
[20:25] <mgottschlag2> anyways, I'm off for today, gn8
[20:25] <DoctorD90> many thnks mgottschlag2 :D
[20:25] <DoctorD90> good nigth!!!
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[20:25] <DoctorD90> t3chguy, may I continue discussion with you? :)
[20:25] <t3chguy> DoctorD90: don't put a series resistor in VIN
[20:26] <t3chguy> that will limit the current the device can use, and also drop voltage
[20:26] <t3chguy> the I²C Pull UP Resistors go between 3v3 and SCL and 3v3 and SDA
[20:26] <DoctorD90> so i havent to follw that image: http://quick2wire.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/image00.png
[20:26] <t3chguy> to create a PULL UP
[20:26] <t3chguy> that image doesn't put the resistors in series with VIN as you suggested
[20:27] <t3chguy> I actually have the exact module you are looking at buying
[20:27] <DoctorD90> 1 resistor between vcc, and 1ressitor between vcc and scl
[20:27] <t3chguy> I will check whether it has on-board pull ups
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[20:27] <DoctorD90> :P t3chguy i have received it today :D
[20:27] <DoctorD90> so finally i have 1 i2c board on which i may start some test and learn using this kind of stuff :D
[20:28] <t3chguy> do you own a Multimeter?
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[20:28] <DoctorD90> ye, but i havent all stuff now atm :P i will manage hisically tomorrow :D
[20:29] <DoctorD90> i would just be sure of what i will do tomorrow without fear :D
[20:29] <t3chguy> actually
[20:29] <DoctorD90> even because i have to install wiring and other stuff :D
[20:29] <t3chguy> I can SEE the pullups on that board
[20:29] <t3chguy> following the traces
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[20:29] <t3chguy> so you can forget about pull ups
[20:29] <t3chguy> as the board already has them
[20:30] <t3chguy> you just connect 3v3 (or VIN to 5V), GND, SCL and SDA
[20:30] <DoctorD90> no....
[20:30] <DoctorD90> if i connect 5v to 3v3 i will fry the board?
[20:31] <DoctorD90> so 5v only to VIN, and 3v3 MAYBE only to 3v3
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[20:32] <t3chguy> I said VIN...
[20:32] <t3chguy> if you use 3v3 then obviously connect 3.3v to it
[20:32] <t3chguy> if you use VIN then 5V to it
[20:32] <t3chguy> but don't connect both, one or the other
[20:33] <DoctorD90> ok :D so im sure i have understand now :D
[20:33] <DoctorD90> great
[20:33] <DoctorD90> !
[20:33] <t3chguy> I made a diagram for you
[20:33] <t3chguy> to show the pull ups on the board
[20:33] <t3chguy> the red line is the 3v3 rail pcb trace
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[20:33] <DoctorD90> oh thx
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[20:33] <t3chguy> the blue circles show the 2 Pull Up Resistors (one for SCL, one for SDA)
[20:33] <t3chguy> http://imgur.com/4wrhw7m
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[20:35] <DoctorD90> oh great, so no resistor because they are yet present :)
[20:35] <t3chguy> yep
[20:35] <DoctorD90> i have understood well again so :)
[20:35] <t3chguy> thats good
[20:35] <DoctorD90> next, software to read data?
[20:36] <t3chguy> https://learn.adafruit.com/adafruit-bmp280-barometric-pressure-plus-temperature-sensor-breakout/wiring-and-test for the barometer part of it
[20:36] <t3chguy> just google for the other chip on its board
[20:37] <t3chguy> I've not used with an RPi, only with Ardinos
[20:37] <t3chguy> s/Ardinos/Arduinos/
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[20:38] <DoctorD90> t3chguy, i would use it with esp...but i dont know neither C neihter LUA :P so i opted for rpi :D
[20:38] <t3chguy> lol
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[20:39] <DoctorD90> t3chguy, what is the difference between spi and i2c? 0o
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[20:40] <t3chguy> they're entirely different protocols
[20:40] <t3chguy> I2C uses 2 data wires (one data one clock)
[20:40] <t3chguy> for many devices
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[20:40] <t3chguy> but SPI uses n+3 wires
[20:40] <t3chguy> for n devices
[20:41] <t3chguy> but SPI is generally faster, in most implementations
[20:41] <DoctorD90> ah
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[20:41] <DoctorD90> aoh really? oh...
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[20:41] <t3chguy> there's no addressing system in SPI
[20:41] <t3chguy> which is why it uses an additional wire per-slave, a Slave Select
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[20:41] <DoctorD90> and seeing that learn page, i have understand something....on my board i have SDO...and it is used on spi interfae...so SAO may be the other ne
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[20:42] <t3chguy> whereas I²C just sends a command over the shared I²C Wires and only the correct device listens to it
[20:42] <t3chguy> DoctorD90: SPI uses MISO,MOSI,SCK
[20:42] <t3chguy> and CS
[20:42] <DoctorD90> t3chguy, http://g02.a.alicdn.com/kf/HTB14UoBKpXXXXb4XVXXq6xXFXXXz/MPU9250-BMP280-10DOF-Acceleration-Gyroscope-Compass-Nine-Shaft-Sensor-Module-GY-91.jpg
[20:43] <t3chguy> A lot of devices don't label SPI pins correctly
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[20:43] <t3chguy> I have a few OLED screens which use I²C pin names for an SPI Breakout, just makes is hella confusing
[20:43] <t3chguy> if you don't have a datasheet, I'd stick to I²C, you're also more likely to find someone's work using I²C for that chip
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[20:45] <DoctorD90> i have find out the manual for the CHIP, but not the manual for entire board :P chinese-stuffes :P
[20:46] <t3chguy> just remember, if its SPI (on both chips), it'll be 3+2 (5) SPI Wires + 2 Vcc+GND
[20:46] <t3chguy> and there's barely that many pins on the breakout
[20:47] <t3chguy> so I doubt it supports both SPI and I²C, the chips probably do, but the pins for those protocols may not be soldered to any of the breakout pins
[20:47] <DoctorD90> http://www.invensense.com/products/motion-tracking/9-axis/mpu-9250/
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[20:48] <t3chguy> again, a datasheet won't tell you how that one specific manufacturer attached both of the chips to one board and which pins are connected where
[20:48] <t3chguy> maybe you should try and get a schematic from your seller
[20:48] <DoctorD90> sure sure :D but if chip doesnt support, it will not support :D
[20:48] <DoctorD90> so i have only to re-write scheme :D
[20:48] <DoctorD90> to be sure :D
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[20:51] <DoctorD90> btw....on board i have SDO/SAO, NCS and CSB...3 wires are ok...it needs 1more for slave....but it doesnt exist :P so probably...it isnt spi
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[20:53] <DoctorD90> i wrote to seller...i hope in his rely
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[20:54] <irc_smirk> this is what pizero looks when its fully in stokc
[20:54] <irc_smirk> *stock
[20:54] <irc_smirk> https://vine.co/v/imzzutAjqw7
[20:55] <DoctorD90> t3chguy, to read "raw" data, and do all manualli, may I use wiringpi? if yes, do you have a confortable guide like on bmp? :)
[20:56] <t3chguy> DoctorD90: ask gordonDrogon, the author of WiringPi lol
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[20:58] <DoctorD90> gordonDrogon, ? :P a happy guide on how install/using with i2c? :)
[20:59] <irc_smirk> this is a sweeeet display for pizero https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x3Zb-4zI_rE
[20:59] <t3chguy> nah irc_smirk, it looks more like this https://goo.gl/photos/xnQPyMvAg5zxD9NaA - the video makes it look bigger than it really is
[20:59] <irc_smirk> i mean the boxes. i wonder how many pizeros fit in there
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[21:00] <irc_smirk> its like a massive data center in a box
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[21:01] <t3chguy> lol
[21:01] <irc_smirk> someone needs to solve this whole usb and power wires sticking out
[21:01] <t3chguy> supercomputer in a tiny box
[21:01] <irc_smirk> cause we are close to making our own ipods
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[21:02] <irc_smirk> i guess without specialized manufacturing it will never be minituraized like that
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[21:02] <DoctorD90> t3chguy, i go to dinner. MANY thxnks for your help :D once of this day i will ask you about device with not pullups :P many thx! good nigth!
[21:02] <t3chguy> np
[21:03] <irc_smirk> anyone know where i can get a quote/idea on how much a 3d piece would cost to print if i upload the 3d model?
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[21:07] <Apocx> man I need to buy a 3d printer
[21:08] <H__> heh, which one ?
[21:08] <irc_smirk> the problem is the 'ink'
[21:08] <irc_smirk> i mean cost wise
[21:09] <Apocx> yeah? my problem is the printer itself. so I probably couldn't afford the filament either
[21:13] <irc_smirk> pizero extreme teardown https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HH5cFqc9OcM
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[21:19] <Apocx> interesting
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[21:36] <snowkidind> here’s one - installing vim from github. in make i get: You need to install a terminal library; for example ncurses
[21:36] <snowkidind> do i not have that in rasbian by default?
[21:36] <daveake> no
[21:37] <snowkidind> so is that the one i should install?
[21:38] <daveake> sounds like it. I use:
[21:38] <daveake> sudo apt-get install libncurses5-dev
[21:38] <daveake> I use that for a program of mine; guess it should work with vim
[21:38] <snowkidind> ok ill give it a go
[21:38] <snowkidind> Y
[21:39] <snowkidind> will see if it make’s now
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[22:39] <nemesit|znc> I guess its not possible to get colors over uart?
[22:40] <Apocx> what do you mean
[22:40] <pksato> colors? uart?
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[22:40] <Apocx> you can send/receive pretty much any bytes you want over uart
[22:40] <pksato> Yes, you can have colors on serial rs232 console.
[22:41] <nemesit|znc> its not rs232
[22:41] <nemesit|znc> I think
[22:41] <daveake> in levels no
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[22:42] <daveake> but that makes no difference whatsoever to your question
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[22:43] <pksato> just use a color suported terminal emulator protocol.
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[22:43] <nemesit|znc> how do I do that?
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[22:43] <daveake> what exactly are you trying to achieve?
[22:44] <nemesit|znc> I'm connected but its a bit too black and white for me ;-p
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[22:45] <daveake> And what are you connected with?
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[22:45] <nemesit|znc> some usb ttl thing
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[22:46] <pksato> ansi colors
[22:46] <daveake> No, I mean what terminal device or program are you connected to the port with ?
[22:46] <nemesit|znc> screen
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[22:51] <nemesit|znc> or picocom
[22:52] <nemesit|znc> switching around never used serial connections
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[22:56] <sgflt> does the raspi supply a pin that outputs 3.3V with a pull-up resistor already wired in?
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[23:00] <methuzla> sgflt what are you trying to do? supplying and pulling up/down are not typically done together
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[23:01] <sgflt> methuzla, trying to read a 1-wire thermometer. tutorials say i need a 4.7k resistor as pull-up in front of the 3.3 V pin, but i don't have any and stores are closed. however, i think i remember that some of the gpio pins have internal pullups that can be activated?
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[23:02] <sgflt> i figured if i set those to out, output a 1 and enable the pullup, it might work?
[23:03] <methuzla> got a link to tutorial?
[23:03] <sgflt> as an alternative, i can connect without a pullup (will that cause a short?) or connect in series the 4x120 i have here
[23:03] <sgflt> methuzla, let me find it again, 1 sec
[23:05] <sgflt> methuzla, https://learn.adafruit.com/adafruits-raspberry-pi-lesson-11-ds18b20-temperature-sensing/hardware
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[23:06] <sgflt> is there a chance that it might work without though?
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[23:09] <lopta> I'm resisting the urge to buy an A+
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[23:12] <methuzla> sgflt good question, but i don't know the answer. i haven't played around with 1 wire.
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[23:12] <sgflt> methuzla, well, i just put every resistor i could find in series. wish me luck =)
[23:13] <methuzla> what's the total resistance add up to?
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[23:14] <sgflt> if i my pitiful understanding of these matters doesn't fail me, 4x120 = 480?
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[23:15] <methuzla> that's pretty low, i'd try without first
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[23:16] <mozzwald> sgflt: if you can enable an internal pullup on the pi gpio you shouldn't need that resistor
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[23:17] <sgflt> mozzwald, that's what i think might be possible - do i just set the gpio pin to output, send a 1 and enable the internall pullup?
[23:17] <sgflt> methuzla, can it hurt though?
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[23:20] <sgflt> hmm, so i tried with the .5k, the kernel driver keeps finding more devices with different ids. i'm guessing that means it doesn't work =)
[23:20] <kevireilly> Are there any existing solutions for headless configuration of a wireless network? I figure it would be something adhoc based, but the underlying goal is plugging in a pi and making it easy to gain network access (without a network cable)
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[23:26] <mozzwald> sgflt: try setting to input then write a 1 to enable pull up. i dunno what the internal pull up resistance is. you should double check that
[23:26] <mozzwald> kevireilly: serial?
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[23:27] <sgflt> mozzwald, input?
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[23:28] <methuzla> mozzwald set to input then write a 1?
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[23:31] <kevireilly> mozzwald: interesting idea indeed
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[23:31] <mozzwald> sgflt: methuzla: that's usually how it's done in my experience. set input, write high
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[23:33] <sgflt> mozzwald, i've tried with the gpio tool from wiringpi (gpio -g mode 17). mode in, write 1 did not work, neither did mode out, write 1, mode up
[23:33] <sgflt> i'll have to double check i guess
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[23:34] <mozzwald> sgflt: or do something like this https://github.com/fivdi/onoff/wiki/Enabling-Pullup-and-Pulldown-Resistors-on-The-Raspberry-Pi
[23:35] <kevireilly> I’m kind of thinking about a setup that essentially detects when there is no internet at boot, configures the wireless device as an adhoc network, starting a web server that can probe for networking and allow credential entering that tests the connection and persists the settings to disk. Sounds like it might work?
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[23:36] <kevireilly> *probe for available networks
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[23:36] <mozzwald> sgflt: according to this https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=41456&p=336915 the internal pullups are very high (30-100k) so it may not work in your case.
[23:37] <kevireilly> or sounds like something that maybe already exists
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[23:39] <mozzwald> kevireilly: seems doable but a bit of work. depends on you use case though. serial seems easier than all that work, but if the users aren't cli savvy then it makes sense
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[23:41] <kevireilly> mozzwald: excellent. The latter part is the main concern indeed, but I am still curious about the serial approach as I’m not familiar with it. Any chance you might be able to briefly describe or link to how one might approach it via serial?
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[23:42] <methuzla> kevireilly https://learn.adafruit.com/adafruits-raspberry-pi-lesson-5-using-a-console-cable
[23:42] <mozzwald> kevireilly: you login via shell on serial then setup the wireless connection. all done via command line
[23:42] <kevireilly> thanks methuzla
[23:43] <kevireilly> and thank you also mozzwald
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[23:44] <mozzwald> you could write a shell script to handle the AP search/choose/password entry
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[23:45] <kevireilly> good point, maybe an interactive script (not sure the literaly term, but steps/questions and answers)
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[23:46] <kevireilly> Related but not.. I know there are a lot how tos and guides on how to accomplish various things for the Pi, but for mostly software installation and configuration based pi projects, is there a common means of distribution? Somewhat picturing a package manager, though may not conceptually fit.. guess a setup bash script is the closest thing?
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[23:48] <sgflt> mozzwald, compiled the device tree, no change unfortunately
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[23:48] <mozzwald> kevireilly: not sure exactly what you mean. you can install packages with apt-get on debian based distros (raspbian)
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[23:49] <mozzwald> sgflt: if that forum post I linked is correct then the internal pullup is too high. the ds18b20 datasheet says ~5k pullup needed
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[23:50] <mozzwald> can you get that high by putting more in series?
[23:50] <mozzwald> 5x1k ?
[23:50] <sgflt> mozzwald, i guess that's it. without having a working version to compare against and no 4.7k, i'll have to assume that's the issue
[23:51] <sgflt> mozzwald, no, i only brought 4x 120 because i was hacking on a CAN bus. all the other electronics stuff is at home
[23:51] <mozzwald> ah, that sux
[23:51] <sgflt> it does. =/
[23:52] <daveake> 480 ohms is too low; max pull-down on the DS18B20 (I guess that's your device) is 1mA for 0.4V
[23:52] <sgflt> hmm, i just found a potentiometer...
[23:52] <daveake> Also if you're using device tree then you need to add a couple of lines to config.txt
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[23:53] <sgflt> daveake, which lines? i just added device_tree_overlay=overlays/pullup17.dtb
[23:54] <daveake> dtoverlay=w1-gpio
[23:54] <sgflt> daveake, well, that is in
[23:54] <daveake> ok one line :)
[23:54] <sgflt> daveake, dtoverlay=w1-gpio,gpiopin=4,pullup=on
[23:54] <daveake> OK cool. Well get a 4k7 and you'll be fine
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[23:54] <daveake> pullup?
[23:54] <daveake> and pin4 is the default
[23:55] <kevireilly> mozzwald: apt-get may be a good solution indeed
[23:55] <sgflt> daveake, that was assuming there is a pullup. since i'm trying to jerry-rig one from the gpio, i guess it's the same as if i had an external?
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[23:55] <daveake> I've no idea if that line accepts that
[23:55] <daveake> but anyway internal pullups are much higher
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[23:58] <methuzla> sgflt the higher the pull up resistor value, the "weaker" the pull up is
[23:58] <sgflt> methuzla, i'm guessing 0.5 and 30k are just too far out of range
[23:59] <methuzla> sgflt different protocols will require different strengths of pull up
[23:59] <sgflt> hmm, i found a complete temp setup wired to a small board in an assorted sensors set for arduino. i think i'll connect that to see if it is working
[23:59] <sgflt> it has an smd 4.7k on it =)
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