#raspberrypi IRC Log

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IRC Log for 2015-12-23

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[0:18] <Chillum> https://www.adafruit.com/products/2817 is in stock
[0:19] <Chillum> don't really need the cables and stuff but at least I finally managed to order one
[0:19] <Chillum> Raspberry Pi Zero Budget Pack 37 in stock
[0:20] <Chillum> geez went from 45 to 37 while I ordered
[0:24] <r_02> 34 now
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[0:29] <snowkidind> i called my local micro center and they had 88 in stock and they had internet 66 orders by the time i got there. I had to harass them into selling me one
[0:30] <snowkidind> they turned me around at first saying they didnt have any until i told them i called and checked their inventory
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[0:31] <Chillum> ya, they are a hit
[0:32] <JK-47> snowkidind: why didnt you just do their 18 minute pickup if you were going there?
[0:32] <Chillum> _finally_ managed to order one, and had to buy cables/adapters I didn't need
[0:32] <snowkidind> when i called they were all like come in and get one no problem but when i got there it became the wall of death
[0:32] <JK-47> never trust em :P
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[0:33] <snowkidind> apparently it was a shipment for the pre-orders from black friday they didnt fulfill
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[0:34] <Chillum> at least if you add up all that stuff it is not that much more than it would cost, but the shipping was steep
[0:35] <JK-47> im still not sold on them vs a 20-30 b+ or 2
[0:35] <Chillum> amazing how something so nerd-centric can fly off the shelves. Are people getting smarter?
[0:35] <JK-47> no they are trying to be trendy
[0:36] <snowkidind> three quarters of them dont have a solder gun im sure
[0:36] <JK-47> and $5 is easy money to waste
[0:36] <Chillum> I hate it when hipsters usurp cultures
[0:36] <Chillum> I was a nerd before it was cool
[0:36] <snowkidind> its good for us because they will buy all the stuff we can make
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[2:11] <iamaway> hello!
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[2:11] <iamaway> i'm trying to power my raspberry pi 2 off of a battery
[2:11] <iamaway> it has a regulator to ensure 5 volts is always given
[2:11] <iamaway> when i boot the pi, it crashes during boot
[2:11] <iamaway> any ideas?
[2:12] <NedScott> how many amps?
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[2:12] <iamaway> NedScott: not sure, how do i check?
[2:12] <iamaway> i'm using old laptop batteries
[2:13] <iamaway> 2 of them
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[2:13] <NedScott> I would think they would provide enough amps, but I suppose that really depends on your regulator
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[2:15] <iamaway> my voltmeter is telling me they're providing 1amp
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[2:16] <iamaway> NedScott: i'm using this http://www.amazon.ca/Single-cell-Battery-Protection-Charging-Rechargeable/dp/B00VA0PTFK/ref=aag_m_pw_dp?ie=UTF8&m=ADWKD39T6DNQP
[2:17] <iamaway> hmm
[2:17] <iamaway> looks like output is only 500ma?
[2:17] <iamaway> guess i need something else
[2:17] <NedScott> ah, that's probably the issue
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[2:18] <NedScott> maybe
[2:18] <iamaway> is there any way i can regulate this without having to wait 4 weeks for something to get here
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[2:18] <NedScott> what voltage is the laptop batteries?
[2:19] <iamaway> 3.8ish volts
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[2:21] <NedScott> well, if you like to live dangerously, that might be enough to power the Pi directly.
[2:21] <iamaway> hmm...
[2:21] <NedScott> I think the B+ and Pi 2 have a more tolerable range of input where it can be lower
[2:21] <NedScott> voltage wise
[2:21] <iamaway> they will decrease over time...
[2:21] <iamaway> i'll look in to this
[2:22] <NedScott> I've heard of people using li-po packs that were only 3.7 and running a Pi off of that
[2:22] <NedScott> I'm not sure if that causes any problems for USB accessories or anything like that
[2:23] <iamaway> i have a 2.8inch touchscreen to power too
[2:23] <iamaway> (which i removed when testing from the batteries)
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[2:26] <iamaway> weird, this should be enough current to power the pi
[2:27] <methuzla> from your link: Output current: 300 ~ 400MA
[2:28] <iamaway> yes, and other places are saying it should use 100MA max when idle
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[2:28] <methuzla> current demand at boot can be higher for short periods of time
[2:28] <iamaway> interesting
[2:28] <iamaway> i'll try with my model b and see if this works
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[2:31] <iamaway> well... the red light comes on but nothing happens
[2:32] <iamaway> which is normal
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[2:33] <iamaway> that's happening on normal power too
[2:34] <iamaway> i give up :|
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[2:35] <methuzla> that's the spirit
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[3:05] <Rickmasta> Hey guys, I have a couple of questions.
[3:05] <Rickmasta> I just installed airsonos on a raspberry pi 2 using this script
[3:05] <Rickmasta> https://github.com/stephen/airsonos/issues/212
[3:06] <Rickmasta> but the last part doesn't work for me. To add it to the auto reboot
[3:07] <Rickmasta> Also, is there anyway to check if something running crashes and automatically restart it?
[3:09] <chesty> airsonos doesn't start on boot?
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[3:15] <irc_smirk> hello
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[3:15] <Rickmasta> chesty I guess it's not working
[3:15] <irc_smirk> well it took me ALL day but i scored another pi zero
[3:15] <Rickmasta> I added "sudo /usr/bin/airsonos &"
[3:15] <irc_smirk> and picked up my first pi 2 and other goodies. all in all my $5 trip cost me $90 lol
[3:16] <yoosi> irc_smirk: What projects do you have planned?
[3:16] <irc_smirk> i woudl like to finally do the gaming / mame thing
[3:16] <irc_smirk> but do i ahve to buy a special controller?
[3:17] <irc_smirk> i still dont have any monitor for pi so this will have to wait a bitmore
[3:18] <irc_smirk> for now i will have my new pi 2 running my home node-red / docker / whatever up all the time network
[3:18] <methuzla> Rickmasta what os?
[3:18] <chesty> Rickmasta: you don't need sudo, but that shouldn't stop it from working, change the line to date >> /var/log/airsonos.boot ; /usr/bin/airsonos >> /var/log/airsonos.boot 2>&1
[3:18] <Rickmasta> jessie
[3:18] <irc_smirk> and my old b+ next to me to mess around and learn it
[3:19] <chesty> Rickmasta: reboot and see what's in /var/log/airsonos.boot
[3:21] <Rickmasta> chesty, would you mind quoting exactly you want me to reaplce the line with?
[3:21] <chesty> "date >> /var/log/airsonos.boot ; /usr/bin/airsonos >> /var/log/airsonos.boot 2>&1"
[3:21] <Rickmasta> One line?
[3:21] <chesty> make it two at the ;
[3:21] <chesty> so
[3:21] <chesty> date >> /var/log/airsonos.boot
[3:22] <chesty> /usr/bin/airsonos >> /var/log/airsonos.boot 2>&1
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[3:22] <chesty> and make sure they are before the exit 0
[3:23] <chesty> bugger, sorry, i made a mistake
[3:23] <Rickmasta> np
[3:23] <chesty> /usr/bin/airsonos >> /var/log/airsonos.boot 2>&1 &
[3:23] <chesty> you need the last &
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[3:25] <Rickmasta> oh it just hangs at Searching for Sonos devices on network
[3:26] <Rickmasta> but it works perfectly fine if I call it manually.
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[3:26] <chesty> maybe it's getting started before the network?
[3:26] <Rickmasta> can I delay it?
[3:27] <chesty> yeah, is this a wifi interface?
[3:27] <chesty> wireless
[3:27] <Rickmasta> nope wired
[3:28] <chesty> ok, pastebin /etc/network/interfaces
[3:29] <Rickmasta> http://pastie.org/10648319
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[3:31] <chesty> try this http://pastie.org/10648321
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[3:31] <chesty> and comment out the rc.local lines
[3:31] <irc_smirk> so who wants a pi zero
[3:31] <irc_smirk> $30 shipped
[3:33] <tjcarter> Really wish the RTC shim used a "normal" battery size. ;)
[3:34] <tjcarter> CR1220s just aren't very common.
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[3:34] <tjcarter> Otherwise the RTC shim is basically one of my favorite Pi accessories made by anyone. :D
[3:35] <chesty> 1.2mm thick 20mm diameter, a slightly thicker 20mm battery might fit?
[3:35] <tjcarter> Not likely.
[3:35] <Rickmasta> ok so now I got up to this chesty: http://pastie.org/10648326
[3:36] <Rickmasta> but it still works if I call it manually
[3:36] <tjcarter> Looks like a local drugstore has a 1216, I could probably shove that in there.
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[3:38] <chesty> Rickmasta: weird. ok, put the interfaces file back to normal.
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[3:40] <Rickmasta> wait sorry chesty I only appended your interfaces nor replaced it by acident lol
[3:40] <chesty> but it sounds like the script still run no?
[3:40] <chesty> the airsonos i mean
[3:41] <Rickmasta> how can I clear all using nano?
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[3:41] <chesty> don't know, you can just delete the file and create a new one
[3:44] <Rickmasta> yup same error
[3:44] <chesty> how do yu start airsonos from the command line?
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[3:45] <Rickmasta> "airsonos"
[3:45] <chesty> run "whereis airsonos"
[3:46] <Rickmasta> airsonos: /usr/bin/airsonos
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[3:46] <chesty> ok, try this, kill airsonos, then start it with "env -i /usr/bin/airsonos"
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[3:47] <Rickmasta> works fine
[3:48] <chesty> ok, and you're running airsonos as the user pi or root?
[3:48] <Rickmasta> just now was pi
[3:48] <Rickmasta> it works as both
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[3:49] <chesty> well, i'm out of ideas. it seems to be a timing issue, this is the wrong way to do it, but it might confirm the timing. create a bash script that is:
[3:50] <chesty> #!/bin/sh
[3:50] <chesty> sleep 30
[3:50] <chesty> /usr/bin/airsonos
[3:50] <Rickmasta> serious question chesty. Would it work if I just add a sleep in the local?
[3:50] <Rickmasta> oh you were doing something similar
[3:50] <chesty> nope
[3:50] <chesty> save the script in /usr/local/bin/startairsonos or something
[3:51] <chesty> then from rc.local "/usr/local/bin/startairsonos &"
[3:51] <chesty> oh, you can redirect stdout too
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[3:53] <chesty> i'm out of here. if the sleep trick works, you'll want to read up about creating systemd init scripts. i can't help you there, i haven't learnt them yet
[3:53] <Rickmasta> Thanks for all your help chesty!
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[4:03] <irc_smirk> ah pi2 is up. much zippier
[4:03] <irc_smirk> ok lets try this again. who wants a pi zero. make an offer
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[4:07] <Viper168> irc_smirk, $3
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[4:07] <Rickmasta> why would somone buy it for $30
[4:08] <snowkidind> anyone using sshfs?
[4:08] <irc_smirk> ok may an offer
[4:08] <Viper168> who said $30
[4:08] <irc_smirk> i spent 5 hours driving in rain to get it
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[4:08] <irc_smirk> alirght anyone interested make an offer more than $5 that work?
[4:08] <Viper168> $6
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[4:09] <irc_smirk> heh
[4:09] <irc_smirk> $20 sounds fair
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[4:10] <Viper168> ok you've convinced me, I'll go to $7
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[4:11] <irc_smirk> ill throw it on ebay
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[4:12] <brianx> where did you find a zero in stock?
[4:12] <irc_smirk> microcenter
[4:13] <brianx> hmm, /me checks the local store... thanks.
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[4:14] <brianx> thank you irc_smirk! they are in stock!
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[4:14] <irc_smirk> cool which store
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[4:14] <brianx> chicago
[4:14] <brianx> elston
[4:15] <snowkidind> stupid colloquy crashed on me. I didnt see any responses so I ask again: anyone using sshfs?
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[4:18] <Viper168> brianx, reserve it online if you can
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[4:19] <Viper168> in case they get bought up
[4:19] <Viper168> I was trying to get one from microcenter here when they came out but before I could call to confirm they had any they were all gone
[4:20] <brianx> can't.
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[4:20] <snowkidind> ^ i had to beat the manager up to get my zero
[4:20] <brianx> asked the girlfriend to get it for xmas.
[4:21] <irc_smirk> maybe you will get a pie tin that says 'nope'
[4:21] <brianx> maybe
[4:23] <irc_smirk> they are still going for high on ebay
[4:23] <irc_smirk> http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_sacat=0&_nkw=pi%20zero&LH_Complete=1&LH_Sold=1&rt=nc&_trksid=p2045573.m1684
[4:23] <irc_smirk> wow $75
[4:24] <snowkidind> unbelievable
[4:26] <irc_smirk> it sure is small
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[4:27] <snowkidind> 102.50 6 bids
[4:27] <irc_smirk> can you power pi with usb hub? assuming its a good one?
[4:27] <irc_smirk> and have several pis connected to it
[4:28] <ozzzy> I"ve powered my Pi from a USB3 port
[4:29] <snowkidind> i havent looked yet, but are the mini usb to mini usb cables commonplace?
[4:32] <ozzzy> i've never seen one
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[4:34] <snowkidind> this is what im trying to figure out. how do you hook up a usb cable backwards?
[4:34] <snowkidind> i think its bad design to have the power output and the usb the same orifice
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[4:35] <ozzzy> power output?
[4:35] <snowkidind> input*
[4:35] <ozzzy> on the Pi the power port is just power... that's it
[4:35] <snowkidind> here let me hook up my phone charger to my usb port
[4:35] <snowkidind> while its plugged in
[4:36] <ozzzy> it does work
[4:36] <irc_smirk> damn drones
[4:36] <irc_smirk> http://gfycat.com/ConsiderateAbleChanticleer
[4:36] <snowkidind> wow that was close
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[4:40] <snowkidind> I work in audio engineering at big commercial installs and sometimes the lines that power the audio is the exact same types of lines that power the lights with a difference of about 115 volts or so. It gets expensive real quick.
[4:41] * ozzzy remembers work.... vaguely
[4:43] <irc_smirk> too many power supplies
[4:44] <irc_smirk> so pi does or doesnt like to be powered by one of its usb ports
[4:45] <ozzzy> you can do it... I wouldn't
[4:45] <tjcarter> "GNU/Hurd, the wors operating system you've never heard of."
[4:46] <tjcarter> ;)
[4:46] <snowkidind> ok im getting annoyed what file mounting systems can i set up on rasbpian that will integrate with macosx
[4:46] <tjcarter> That's harsh. Funny, but harsh. :)
[4:47] <mgottschlag> snowkidind: for external media? FAT32, UDF, maybe HFS
[4:47] <snowkidind> i just want something like an afp share or smb etc
[4:48] <mgottschlag> ah, well, SMB will work, just install samba
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[4:48] <mgottschlag> although samba is quite difficult to set up correctly
[4:48] <snowkidind> whats this netatalk garbage
[4:48] <snowkidind> well maybe it isnt garbage
[4:49] <snowkidind> isnt samba the windows business
[4:49] <irc_smirk> anyone setup pi to do webrtc ?
[4:49] <irc_smirk> snowkidind are you subscribed to pluralsight
[4:49] <mgottschlag> snowkidind: the last release of netatalk is from 2014, so not exactly maintained
[4:49] <snowkidind> nah whassat?
[4:50] <mgottschlag> OSX used to use Samba for SMB shares, until they changed ther license to GPLv3
[4:51] <irc_smirk> this course is really good https://www.pluralsight.com/courses/raspberry-pi-home-server
[4:51] <irc_smirk> you can get 6 month free pluralsight from microsoft right now
[4:51] <snowkidind> im not touching microsoft anything
[4:51] <snowkidind> pretty soon id be programming asp
[4:51] <snowkidind> guh
[4:52] <irc_smirk> ok. no free courses for you then lol
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[4:53] <snowkidind> well i do pay for lynda
[4:53] <snowkidind> studying c++ currently
[4:53] <irc_smirk> monthly or yearly?
[4:53] <snowkidind> monthly but i do it in spats
[4:54] <irc_smirk> yeah its good vlaue if you can schedule the time
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[4:54] <irc_smirk> in my 2 hour drive time today i watch pluralsight
[4:55] <snowkidind> i like the inspiration of the tutorials, but once i get a target i pretty much skip over everything else and just go for what im building
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[4:55] <snowkidind> for instance im doing some project that will analyze video on pi so Im just digging straight into open cv and picking up c++ along the way
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[4:56] <snowkidind> sort of backwards but things change so fast these days you almost have to play leapfrog
[4:56] <irc_smirk> you look at those pdfs i posted for you the other day
[4:56] <snowkidind> possibly, what were they again
[4:57] <irc_smirk> so i bougth this at microcenter
[4:57] <irc_smirk> hold on
[4:57] <irc_smirk> http://www.digitalinnovations.com/products/connect-charge-4-port-hub-powered/
[4:57] <irc_smirk> so can i plug my pi 2 into that end part . it says that powers devices
[4:57] <irc_smirk> its 2a
[4:57] <snowkidind> oh thats good
[4:57] <irc_smirk> i thought id be able to plug all the pis on there
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[5:02] <snowkidind> are you using a breadboard in your ventures
[5:02] <tjcarter> snowkidind: I use netatalk on the pi :)
[5:03] <snowkidind> they have a lot of power supplies that can just clip on to the end of a bread board and you can just reverse engineer a plug to go into the breadboard (until the power supply cant take it any longer, captain)
[5:03] <snowkidind> I have this big old school dc power supply i got on ebay for 10 bucks, i could easily power ten of them with that
[5:04] <snowkidind> member:tjcarter been trying to install it but finally the servers are letting me download the binaries must be getting hit pretty hard)
[5:04] <tjcarter> snowkidind: which server?
[5:05] <snowkidind> whatever it pinged when i “sudo apt-get install netatalk”
[5:05] <tjcarter> ah
[5:05] <snowkidind> http://mirrordirector.raspbian.org/raspbian/ jessie/main
[5:05] <tjcarter> That's probably netatak 2.2.5 which is kind of broken.
[5:05] <irc_smirk> no no breadboard
[5:06] <snowkidind> 2.2.5-1
[5:06] <snowkidind> AAH! Success!
[5:06] <snowkidind> score i can use an ide
[5:06] <tjcarter> For Raspple II we currently compile 2.2.4 in /usr/local
[5:07] <snowkidind> by the ways, after today people who use vim are scary
[5:07] <tjcarter> After today?
[5:07] <snowkidind> i tried man
[5:07] <snowkidind> its just not worth it
[5:08] <snowkidind> fifteen years of muscle memory copy paste etc
[5:08] <snowkidind> i cant just give it up for an entirely different system
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[5:08] <tjcarter> The trick to using vim is to use a .vimrc that makes it as un-vi-like as possible. :)
[5:08] <snowkidind> yea. nah
[5:08] <snowkidind> i got bbedit xcode phpstorm
[5:09] <snowkidind> ill just use that from the mac and compile with terminal
[5:09] * tjcarter now has 15 years of doing that to unlearn if he switches
[5:09] <tjcarter> and I haven't found a better console editor
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[5:10] <snowkidind> code integration, code completion linked documentation
[5:10] <snowkidind> im spoiled
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[5:10] <tjcarter> Those are nice features of code IDEs
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[5:11] <snowkidind> one remaining question i had - file management - how do you navigate between files in vim
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[5:11] <snowkidind> besides exiting and opening another
[5:11] <snowkidind> or does that just not happen
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[5:13] <mgottschlag> snowkidind: well, vi supports tabs
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[5:13] <snowkidind> so i just didnt even get there
[5:13] <mgottschlag> :
[5:13] <mgottschlag> oops
[5:13] <exonormal> floops
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[5:14] <mgottschlag> ":tabe filename", then "gt" and "gT" to switch
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[5:14] <tjcarter> I've never found that feature terribly useful myself
[5:14] <mgottschlag> the most annoying thing with vi is that when I am forced to switch to something else, I keep writing ":w" into text files for days
[5:15] <tjcarter> Just isn't something I do generally. I use tmux for that
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[5:16] <snowkidind> my issue is that i have a lot of things to remember
[5:16] <tjcarter> I suppose where it'd be really useful is website editing
[5:16] <snowkidind> thats an entire language of its own
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[5:17] <snowkidind> i just did a pretty big LAMP project. I used phpstorm. Terminal is essential but having the list of files right there is quintessential
[5:18] <snowkidind> that program is pretty good. it knows when im coding in javascript inside of html inside of php
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[5:37] <shooj> ls
[5:37] <shooj> oh hi
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[5:49] <Spitalian> hi
[5:51] <Spitalian> Has anyone here set up a VPN server before? I'm doing it for the first time and I'm wondering if someone could help me. It's pretty much working except it's not running a script on boot when it should
[5:51] <shooj> sounds like me working with bind9 yesterday
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[5:53] <shooj> everytime i rebooted my pi, the dns cache server i have wasn't running
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[5:53] <shooj> guess it had something to do with bind9 trying to run before the network was up and running
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[5:55] <Spitalian> I don't really know what I'm doing honestly. I'm following this tutorial - http://readwrite.com/2014/04/10/raspberry-pi-vpn-tutorial-server-secure-web-browsing - and near the end it has me add a line to /etc/network/interfaces. I've deduced that my issue is in that file, but I can't figure out how to fix it
[5:56] <shooj> let me look
[5:56] <Spitalian> My interfaces file did not match the one in the tutorial, so that's part my problem I think
[5:57] <shooj> ah
[5:57] <shooj> they never do
[5:58] <shooj> i would recommend reading up on /etc/network/interfaces -- the debian man should suffice
[5:58] <Spitalian> ok
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[5:59] <shooj> i bet you have an iface eth0 inet... line however
[5:59] <Spitalian> I can put my interfaces file on pastebin if you want to look at it
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[6:00] <shooj> sure
[6:00] <shooj> this is all assuming this is the only error you're facing, mind you
[6:01] <Spitalian> http://pastebin.com/tLJntLsj - instead of "iface eth0 inet dhcp" (what the tutorial had), I had "iface eth0 inet manual", but I changed it to match the tutorial
[6:01] <shooj> if you copied and pasted a lot from that,i would recommend going over the previous files as well
[6:01] <Spitalian> I manually typed in most things
[6:02] <Spitalian> The vpn actually works - I'm using it right now - it's just that the firewall blocks it and I have to run a command to make it work
[6:02] <Spitalian> The interfaces should make it run automatically. But that's the extent of my knowledge
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[6:05] <shooj> and you edited iptables to not block it?
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[6:06] <shooj> what command are you running
[6:06] <Spitalian> Yeah I made a .sh file with "iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -s 10.8.0.0/24 -o eth0 -j SNAT --to-source 192.168.XX.X" (as the tutorial has). When I manually put this into the terminal it makes the vpn work
[6:07] <shooj> what's in firewall-openvpn-rules.sh
[6:07] <shooj> i guess i can read
[6:08] <shooj> i think i know the issue
[6:08] <Spitalian> I have #!/bin/sh in the top line, and a second line with the command above
[6:08] <shooj> yea it's the same as that, got it
[6:08] <Spitalian> you do?
[6:09] <Spitalian> what's the issue?
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[6:09] <shooj> in your /etc/network/interfaces file, try adding 'auto eth0' in a line prior to the 'iface eth0 inet dhcp' stanza
[6:10] <Spitalian> thanks I'll try that
[6:10] <shooj> gl :)
[6:12] <Spitalian> hmm... now I can't ssh to my pi
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[6:13] <shooj> i should have asked this before
[6:13] <Spitalian> but the vpn works!
[6:13] <shooj> yes, lol
[6:13] <shooj> so i think the problem is this
[6:14] <shooj> how is the pi connecting to your network
[6:14] <Spitalian> ethernet
[6:15] <shooj> hmm
[6:16] <shooj> can you do a route with and without openvpn
[6:16] <shooj> route -n
[6:16] <Spitalian> not sure what you mean, sorry. I'm not very experienced
[6:18] <shooj> no worries
[6:19] <Spitalian> I'm googling up the route command lol
[6:19] <shooj> you can just type route -n ;p
[6:19] <shooj> also, what does iptables -S show right now?
[6:19] <shooj> can you toss both of those in pastes
[6:20] <Spitalian> oh I'm actually using the mac terminal, and it seems the route command has a slightly different syntax on mac: route [-dnqtv] command [[modifiers] args]
[6:20] <uriah> try ssh'ing into the pi's vpn ip
[6:21] <uriah> so that you're ssh'ing into the pi via the vpn
[6:21] <shooj> netstat -nr
[6:21] <shooj> try what uriah said first tho
[6:22] <Spitalian> would the vpn's ip be my public ip + the port to my pi? Or is that different?
[6:23] <uriah> no it's different
[6:23] <uriah> if the vpn works, then inside the vpn you should have an ip, and the pi should also have one
[6:23] <uriah> i think...
[6:23] <Spitalian> oh i just got in
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[6:23] <uriah> nice
[6:23] <uriah> how?
[6:23] <Spitalian> I guess I used the vpn's ip like you said
[6:24] <uriah> cool
[6:24] <uriah> :)
[6:24] <Spitalian> I noticed it a few times in the tutorial but I didn't really know what it was
[6:24] <uriah> ah ok
[6:24] <Spitalian> Thanks for the help, guys!
[6:24] <uriah> np :)
[6:24] <shooj> grats!
[6:24] <shooj> tag team of help
[6:24] <uriah> lol
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[6:29] <shooj> the pi 2 is pretty solid -- enough power for my lamp setup [minus php + python], my dns cache server, and not really breaking a sweat.
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[6:30] <shooj> -php +python
[6:30] <uriah> i'm sure
[6:30] <uriah> how many requests are you seeing?
[6:30] <shooj> none lol
[6:30] <uriah> oh ok :)
[6:31] <uriah> put it online at some point, we'll see how it survives the slashdot effect
[6:31] <uriah> lol
[6:31] <shooj> i only set up an internal domain lol
[6:31] <shooj> haha
[6:31] <shooj> yeah, 5 seconds
[6:31] <uriah> heheh
[6:31] <uriah> you running apache or nginx?
[6:31] <shooj> apache
[6:31] <uriah> k
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[6:31] <uriah> yeah probably not long then
[6:32] <uriah> i expect nginx to be able to last a bit longer, but not much of course
[6:32] <Spitalian> strangely, I can ssh to my pi with either the pi's ip or the vpn's ip now
[6:32] <shooj> a bit more specialized yeah
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[6:32] <swift110-phone> Hey
[6:32] <uriah> Spitalian: strange
[6:32] <shooj> prob better with memory
[6:33] <uriah> yeah probably
[6:33] <uriah> isn't it what most people moved onto after lighttpd?
[6:33] <uriah> hi swift110-phone
[6:34] <shooj> would make sense
[6:34] <swift110-phone> How r u uriah
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[6:35] <uriah> swift110-phone: good, you?
[6:35] <shooj> since lightTpd and nginx cater to the same market
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[6:36] <shooj> c10k
[6:36] <uriah> yeah...
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[6:36] <swift110-phone> Im goo
[6:36] <uriah> cool...
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[6:37] <uriah> hmm... it would be nice to have a pi2
[6:37] <uriah> and a pi0
[6:37] <uriah> lol
[6:37] <uriah> oh well... next month
[6:37] <exonormal> you goo? swiftie?
[6:37] <shooj> wasn't that free in a mag
[6:37] <uriah> yeah
[6:37] <uriah> didn't subscribe
[6:38] <uriah> don't like paper
[6:38] <uriah> :)
[6:38] <shooj> yea that's pretty solid... 1ghz processor in that $5 dollar piece of pi
[6:38] <uriah> it can wait, i have pis for the project i wanna work on for developement... for production, space is a factor
[6:38] <uriah> yeah lol
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[6:39] <shooj> lol
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[6:41] <uriah> i wonder, though, why the pi0 and the model a+ have about the same power consumption
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[6:42] <exonormal> what about the pi compute????
[6:42] <uriah> no idea
[6:42] <exonormal> ever look that one up?
[6:43] <uriah> i don't know how much power it consumes, sorry
[6:43] <uriah> but i have seen stuff about it
[6:43] <uriah> and, well, given the size factor for my project, i don't really want one
[6:45] <swift110-phone> Hey uriah
[6:45] <shooj> https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=63&t=127210
[6:45] <shooj> sorry that's a long uri
[6:47] <exonormal> sweet.. only 65 ma
[6:47] <shooj> well, some people found different findings
[6:47] <exonormal> now see what the pi compute consumes
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[6:49] <swift110-phone> Hmm
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[6:56] <aem> any good ir illuminators for pinoir?
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[6:57] <shooj> hmm
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[7:02] <exonormal> https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=43&t=60103
[7:03] <shooj> https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=43&t=60103
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[7:03] <shooj> oops
[7:03] <shooj> copy gone wrong
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[7:04] <exonormal> oh?
[7:04] <exonormal> bad link?
[7:05] <shooj> good link
[7:05] <exonormal> ok cool
[7:06] <shooj> did you setup a pi noir camera?
[7:06] <exonormal> no, sorry
[7:06] <shooj> ah :)
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[7:07] <exonormal> I just copied your question and pasted it in browser...
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[7:07] <shooj> oh, lol
[7:07] <exonormal> and that's what I picked
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[7:09] <shooj> gotcha :)
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[7:28] <r_02> https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLAGggYDwCYhMsbivAD73LXrDhCtGF9s4Q
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[7:56] <irc_smirk_> hello
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[7:57] <irc_smirk_> is there a command line or app to find out how much power my raspberry is drawing
[7:57] <ScottO_> any recommendation for good raspberry pi cases?
[7:57] <irc_smirk_> i have 2 of them on a usb hub im curious to see if its feeding enough
[7:57] <ScottO_> ive been using these http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B011TW3450
[7:58] <irc_smirk_> im using this one https://www.adafruit.com/products/2258
[7:58] <irc_smirk_> it snaps it in pretty well. once its in its in though
[7:58] <irc_smirk_> its a pain in the ass and quite dangerous to take it out (might break the pi)
[7:59] <irc_smirk_> ScottO_ thats very nice
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[8:00] <ScottO_> its super cheap and aluminum incase of overclocking to dissipate heat
[8:00] <ScottO_> im up for my 4th pi
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[8:00] <TinkerTiger> I've removed my Pi2 from that adafruit case several times. It's all in the technique.
[8:00] <ScottO_> deciding to look for alternatives
[8:00] <brianx> irc_smirk_: there is no current sensor built in, you'll have to use a shunt ot a current meter.
[8:01] <irc_smirk_> so you dont like that one scott
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[8:01] <ScottO_> anyone using it as a torrent box?
[8:01] <irc_smirk_> brianx - how odd with all the gpio hacking it cant tell its own power
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[8:01] <ScottO_> irc_smirk_ the one i posted or yours?
[8:02] <irc_smirk_> yours
[8:02] <ScottO_> i like it
[8:02] <brianx> irc_smirk_: it has no analog in but with an external adc and a shunt, it could.
[8:02] <ScottO_> but i just figured i might look around :P
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[8:02] <ScottO_> because i have one of each fo the 2 colors already and i might get confused about which one is which
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[8:04] <brianx> screws make a great "case", i have one that slides into 4 screws on the back of a monitor.
[8:04] <irc_smirk_> so i got scammed by a china seller on this micro usb add on that was being hyped on reddit
[8:04] <ScottO_> one of them controls my aquarium equipment :P
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[8:05] <ScottO_> probably an under utilized pi
[8:05] <ScottO_> it just runs a pyhton script controlling the gpio via a sanesmart relay board
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[8:06] <ScottO_> i was looking into this one http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00PALBNY6?psc=1
[8:06] <ScottO_> but kinda weird that the fan is stuck on with adhesive tape
[8:06] <ScottO_> :/
[8:06] <ScottO_> other than that it looked pretty cool
[8:06] <brianx> a mini-pro or nano is about $2 delivered and has plenty of ability for things like aquarium control.
[8:06] <irc_smirk_> is heating really an issue?
[8:06] <ScottO_> maybe i should be repurposing my 2 B
[8:06] <ScottO_> irc_smirk_: depends on what you use it for i guess
[8:07] <ScottO_> but i havent ran into any issues
[8:07] <ScottO_> other than certain videos crashing the video player on xbmc
[8:07] <ScottO_> but thats probably not related
[8:07] <brianx> my 2b is nailed to 900mhz and runs cool.
[8:07] <ScottO_> brianx: any good cases for the nano or mini-pro?
[8:08] <irc_smirk_> im loving this pi 2
[8:08] <ScottO_> isnt 900mhz standard?
[8:08] <brianx> ScottO_: never looked for one.
[8:08] <ScottO_> where is this mini-pro and nano?
[8:08] <brianx> 600mhz is standard.
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[8:08] <brianx> 900mhz on demand
[8:08] <ScottO_> what is a mini-pro and nano/
[8:09] <ScottO_> are you talking about the zero?
[8:09] <brianx> they're arduinos. both can be programmed as plain AVR's too.
[8:10] <ScottO_> but those are microcontrollers
[8:10] <brianx> the zero is too hard to come by still. nanos and mini pro are easy to get.
[8:10] <ScottO_> so they wont hold an OS
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[8:11] <brianx> they are. great for small tasks. there is even a tiny python (a bit limited though)
[8:11] <ScottO_> ill also admit that i have a web app for controlling the aquarium via my mobile
[8:11] <shooj> there we go
[8:11] <shooj> damn irssi
[8:11] <ScottO_> not sure if arduino can do that too
[8:12] <brianx> ahh, so you'd need more... wifi or ethernet addons double the cost.
[8:12] <ScottO_> i just need something that will run linux and isnt as powerful as the pi 2b
[8:12] <brianx> they can. ssl is a bit rough though.
[8:12] <ScottO_> but i couldnt find anything so i just dealt with the pi 2b
[8:13] <brianx> the pi is the cheapest linux answer. zero if you can find it.
[8:13] <ScottO_> yeah ive been eager to get a zero
[8:13] <ScottO_> is the zero as powerful as the pi 2b?
[8:13] <AiGreek> 'Morning, guys ç
[8:13] <brianx> i hope to have one thursday.
[8:14] <brianx> the zero is as fast as the old pi b+
[8:14] <shooj> pi zero requires adapters
[8:14] <ScottO_> ah it has less ram
[8:14] <ScottO_> adapters?
[8:14] <shooj> mini hdmi to hdmi
[8:14] <ScottO_> ah i see
[8:14] <shooj> if you're going to connect it to a video source
[8:14] <brianx> it has double the ram of the first b
[8:14] <shooj> same thing for usbs
[8:14] <ScottO_> but if there is intent to make it headless
[8:14] <shooj> yes
[8:14] <shooj> good point
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[8:15] <ScottO_> id like to see a case for it
[8:15] <shooj> i'm doing the same with my pi 2 lol
[8:15] <brianx> i'm typing to you on a 1st gen 256mb b.
[8:15] <ScottO_> ooh https://www.google.com/search?q=raspberry+pi+zero+case
[8:16] <ScottO_> the gpio header thing bothers me a little
[8:16] <ScottO_> additional soldering
[8:16] <brianx> 6 people share this classic pi B with me.
[8:16] <ScottO_> how?
[8:16] <brianx> tmux
[8:16] <shooj> you still need to waste your usb port for a network dongle
[8:17] <ScottO_> ah true
[8:17] <ScottO_> damn
[8:17] <ScottO_> was hoping to plug in a usb disk
[8:17] <brianx> we each run an irc client in a tmux session
[8:17] <shooj> and you'd need the adapter from usb to mini usb
[8:17] <ScottO_> eh i guess ill stick with pi 2b
[8:17] <brianx> i still want to do usb networking with the zero.
[8:17] <ScottO_> seems to be the most flexible now
[8:17] <shooj> sorry usb to micro-b usb
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[8:18] <brianx> it's a whole lotta machine for the app, but yeah it will do it.
[8:18] <shooj> which.... you can get here
[8:18] <shooj> http://swag.raspberrypi.org/products/pi-zero-kit
[8:18] <shooj> when it's not out of stock
[8:18] <ScottO_> im actually tempted to make my aquarium controller handle some other tasks :P
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[8:18] <ScottO_> may as well
[8:18] <shooj> feed teh fish
[8:18] <irc_smirk_> trying to get my wifi adapter on pi
[8:19] <shooj> on a timer or when the fish decide to suicide and hit a button over and over?
[8:19] <ScottO_> throw some torrent software on there
[8:19] <irc_smirk_> this command is not found iwlist
[8:19] <brianx> take out the trash.
[8:19] <brianx> make coffee.
[8:19] <ScottO_> nah not feeding the fish
[8:19] <shooj> ah
[8:19] <ScottO_> i have it controlling the lights and the aerator
[8:19] <brianx> mix cocktails.
[8:19] <ScottO_> lol
[8:19] <shooj> i'd like an auto espresso...but my espresso machine is very manual
[8:20] <ScottO_> my espresso machine is a fake
[8:20] <ScottO_> it just makes strong coffee
[8:20] <ScottO_> :/
[8:20] <brianx> ok, people have done all of the above with avr based machines.
[8:20] <ScottO_> avr?
[8:20] <shooj> i have to put water in, coffee grounds in the holder, and then turn it on
[8:20] <shooj> per cup
[8:21] <brianx> the chip commonly in most of the arduinos.
[8:21] <mgottschlag> if an AVR is too small, and the raspberrypi is too expensive, use an ESP8266, it's not more expensive than the AVR :p
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[8:21] <treaki> hi
[8:21] <shooj> basically this: http://www.amazon.com/BELLA-13683-Espresso-Maker-Black/dp/B00BY2UGZM/
[8:21] <brianx> and has wifi built in. but it has to be 3.3v
[8:21] <treaki> i now have got a raspi version 2
[8:21] <brianx> (esp8266 has wifi)
[8:21] <treaki> what do i have to do to migrate my system from my old pi
[8:22] <shooj> depends
[8:22] <ScottO_> that just makes strong coffee
[8:22] <treaki> can i just dd the image from the sdcard to the micro sdcard or do i have to do something else??
[8:22] <ScottO_> thats not true espresso
[8:22] <shooj> Scott: pretty much, you're 100% right
[8:22] <ScottO_> i have a diff brand thats the same thing
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[8:22] <brianx> treaki: take the microsd out of the carrier, plug it into the 2b. done.
[8:22] <ScottO_> i want a real espresso machine
[8:22] <ScottO_> need more crema
[8:22] <shooj> ahhhhh
[8:22] <shooj> lol
[8:23] <ScottO_> french press is interesting also
[8:23] <shooj> what brianx said, treaki
[8:23] <mgottschlag> heh, you guys are really thinking that treaki is stupid, right? :D
[8:23] <shooj> french press is good
[8:23] <mgottschlag> if it's not a microsd card in the first place, dd should work
[8:23] <mgottschlag> ah, wait
[8:23] <brianx> i run fedora on my 2b, but lots of people run debian based linux on em.
[8:23] <mgottschlag> yeah, you have two pis
[8:24] <ScottO_> tempted to do this http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/61XzwhluvmL._SL1000_.jpg
[8:24] <treaki> ok so no different kernel is needed or so?
[8:24] <mgottschlag> anyways, then the reply even makes sense (even without being stupid)
[8:24] <brianx> treaki: same kernel.
[8:24] <shooj> treaki: nope
[8:24] <AiGreek> shooj that's at least one thing we do well.
[8:24] <treaki> brianx, its a regular sd card so it dosnt fit into the pi v2
[8:24] <shooj> lol AiGreek
[8:24] <treaki> ok, thanks for your help, than ill go on and test that out...
[8:25] <mgottschlag> btw, I hate you guys. after one of you posted a link to italian aliexpress.com, the site now has decided to always load in italian by default -.-
[8:25] <ScottO_> lol
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[8:25] <brianx> treaki: then dd through an sd to usb adapter.
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[8:26] <brianx> treaki: or use whatever you used to make your old machine's sd card to read it and burn to the micro sd.
[8:27] <treaki> ive got an sd card reader build in to my thinkpad, ill use this;)
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[8:27] <ScottO_> crazy looking case http://www.amazon.com/dp/B013PWUSU6?psc=1
[8:28] <brianx> treaki: yep. read the sd to disk, toss the micro in the adapter, write disk to microsd. done.
[8:28] <mgottschlag> ScottO_: heatsink *and* fan... it can't get any worse :D
[8:28] <brianx> dd if linux, an image tool if win.
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[8:28] <ScottO_> well i put heatsinks on my pis
[8:28] <ScottO_> never a fan
[8:29] <Lonefish> I'm clearly still sleeping.
[8:29] <Lonefish> I read "I put heatsinks on my piss"
[8:29] <ScottO_> Lonefish: keeps the pee cool
[8:29] <AiGreek> Lonefish wake up lazy belgies !
[8:29] <Lonefish> Haha, last day of the year. Finally
[8:29] <brianx> my 2b came with heatsinks but i suspect the tape insulates more than it helps.
[8:30] <ScottO_> i thought the tape was a thermal paste adhesive
[8:30] <mlelstv> tape?
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[8:30] <brianx> china crap. i doubt it's real thermal anything.
[8:30] <ScottO_> i cant imagine anyone would use tape on a heatsink
[8:30] <mlelstv> check temperature and you know
[8:30] <ScottO_> time to submit a question to the amazon seller
[8:30] <Lonefish> me neither tbh
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[8:31] <brianx> mlelstv: yeah, i didn't do a before test but should have.
[8:31] <mgottschlag> even normal adhesive tape should be better than air, shouldn't it?
[8:31] <Lonefish> if it insulates you'll see
[8:31] <mlelstv> normal temperature for a rpi2 in a case is about 48-50C
[8:31] <ScottO_> i cant justify the tft screen, but it looks cool
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[8:32] <brianx> mgottschlag: might reduce the peaks, maybe.
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[8:33] <brianx> mlelstv: hmm... will have to find the dev file.
[8:33] <brianx> but no case. never use em.
[8:33] <TinkerTiger> Invasion case is amusing but not $20 amusing.
[8:34] <ScottO_> :P
[8:34] <Lonefish> or you could use raspi check and check temps on your phone :p
[8:34] <ScottO_> TinkerTiger: got a nice case to share?
[8:34] <ScottO_> TinkerTiger: ive been using these http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B011TW3450
[8:34] <AiGreek> or use Flask and psutil (Python) an do your own raspi control
[8:35] <TinkerTiger> I have the smoked one and a clear one. Nothing exciting.
[8:35] <shooj> i have decided against heatsinks for my pi 2 atm
[8:36] <ScottO_> i need to have a case that has the power supply integrated
[8:36] <TinkerTiger> I do need to get two more, however.
[8:36] <ScottO_> i hate the power block
[8:36] * TinkerTiger nods.
[8:36] <mlelstv> and no we back to heat sinks and fans :)
[8:37] <ScottO_> speaking of the block, i need tog et those little extension cables for the UPS, so i can use more than 2 blocks
[8:37] <TinkerTiger> I'm going to need 1 or 2 that are weather resistant.
[8:37] <ScottO_> TinkerTiger: get a NEMA 4 case
[8:37] <ScottO_> :P
[8:38] <ScottO_> ive bought them from polycase before
[8:38] <ScottO_> not pretty, but gets the job done
[8:38] <ScottO_> gotta watch out for UV though
[8:39] <ScottO_> weather resistant != uv resistant
[8:39] <brianx> couldn't find the device for the thermal sensors
[8:39] <ScottO_> also if its gonna be in the heat, you probably dont want polycarbonate or any plastic, they insulate
[8:39] <ScottO_> brianx: thermal sensors?
[8:40] <ScottO_> what are you looking for?
[8:40] <brianx> the cpu has a thermometer exposed to the os.
[8:40] <ScottO_> ah
[8:40] <shooj> that's nice, Tinker
[8:40] <brianx> i think it's in proc but couldn't find it
[8:41] <ScottO_> brianx: shouldbt be that hard to find right?
[8:41] <shooj> i'm using this: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00UW2G1BS
[8:41] <ScottO_> i was looking at that one
[8:41] <ScottO_> how is it?
[8:41] <shooj> i like it, personally
[8:41] <shooj> i broke a little piece of the plastic at one point
[8:42] <shooj> but it holds together fine even with that internal little piece broken
[8:42] <ScottO_> why the guge gap in the top?
[8:42] <ScottO_> i mean the extra space
[8:42] <shooj> you can take that top piece off
[8:42] <shooj> allows you to put headers on
[8:43] <shooj> but that has nothing to do with the gap..i think it's just there for air flow
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[8:43] <TinkerTiger> I will probably end up using something like the NEMA 4 cases, indeed.
[8:43] <ScottO_> http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/418RSY7HXZL.jpg
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[8:43] <shooj> http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/418RSY7HXZL.jpg
[8:44] <shooj> oops
[8:44] <shooj> ok, for that Scott
[8:44] <ScottO_> yeah, id get a meanwell power supply some cable glands, and nema 4 enclosure
[8:44] <ScottO_> along with the backplate for the enclosure
[8:44] <ScottO_> you can drill and tap some screw holes in and put some standoffs in there
[8:44] <ScottO_> :P
[8:44] <ScottO_> TinkerTiger: ^
[8:45] <ScottO_> sorry for all the info, you hit on something ive been working on for the last 5 years
[8:45] <ScottO_> :P
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[8:45] <ScottO_> minus the pi
[8:45] * TinkerTiger is logging.
[8:45] <shooj> have a good one Tinker
[8:46] <TinkerTiger> No, keeping a log. ;)
[8:46] <shooj> hahaha
[8:46] <TinkerTiger> So, I don't have to take notes.
[8:46] <ScottO_> i work with data logging and industrial instrumentation for some thermal and solar projects
[8:46] * TinkerTiger nods.
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[8:46] <brianx> 30C with firefox running under mate.
[8:46] <TinkerTiger> I just want to put a pi on my Sun trike.
[8:46] <ScottO_> ive been thinking about building my own controllers and data loggers with a raspberry pi
[8:46] <ScottO_> sun trike?
[8:46] <ScottO_> whats that/
[8:47] <TinkerTiger> Pedal powered vehicle.
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[8:47] <ScottO_> what would you have it do?
[8:48] <ScottO_> TinkerTiger: http://www.polycase.com/waterproof-nema-gasket
[8:48] <Armand> brianx: What is hitting 30c ?
[8:48] <brianx> the chipset i think.
[8:49] <Armand> My i7 is doing 30c right now. lol
[8:49] <Lonefish> lol
[8:49] <brianx> crap china stick on heat sink, 2b nailed to 900mhz. no case.
[8:49] <Lonefish> your i7 is probably cooled by a scythe mugen or something :p
[8:50] <Armand> Nah, some OEM lump
[8:50] <Lonefish> I wonder if someone would be crazy enough to put a scythe on a pi
[8:50] <Lonefish> Would be fun to see
[8:50] <ScottO_> LOL http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00OGOX6PC?psc=1
[8:50] <Armand> That would be mad. :D
[8:50] <TinkerTiger> I'm comtemplating several possible ideas, including rolling web/file server for sharing photos on-site, possibly packet-relay, APRS. No solid ideas yet, really.
[8:50] <mgottschlag> at idle, an i7 draws <5W. With a cooler of 2 degrees C per watt (that's really bad), that would make a 10 degrees increase compared to ambient temperature
[8:51] <ScottO_> scythe?
[8:51] <Armand> Room temp is around 22c, if the airconn is on :)
[8:52] <Lonefish> not a bad guess mgottschlag :p
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[8:52] <mgottschlag> (I think most good CPU coolers are way lower than 2degC per Watt)
[8:52] <ScottO_> i wish there was a way to get better wifi reception on a pi, like an antenna
[8:52] <Armand> I want to swap the cooler in this, but I'll have to buy it myself. No way the boss will buy something I can't justify. :P
[8:53] <mgottschlag> Lonefish: not a guess, more like juggling the numbers around to reach 10 degrees :p
[8:53] <ScottO_> are there any nano wireless adapters with an antenna?
[8:53] <Lonefish> haha :p
[8:53] <Armand> ScottO_: Yup
[8:53] <mgottschlag> just to demonstrate that that temperature should be easy
[8:53] <mlelstv> scottO_ what prevents this? :)
[8:53] <ScottO_> ive been using this http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B003MTTJOY
[8:53] <Lonefish> you want it small, but you want a huge antenna? :p
[8:53] <ScottO_> im talking about one of those with a big antenna or an sma conenctor
[8:53] <Armand> ScottO_: http://gallery.baked-pi.co.uk/index.php/wifi-antenna
[8:54] <ScottO_> yes!
[8:54] <Armand> I use that with an RT3570 (I think) USB wifi.
[8:54] <ScottO_> how do you get the sma conenctor into the pi?
[8:54] <Lonefish> that's.. big..
[8:54] <ScottO_> Armand: stealing wifi?
[8:54] <ScottO_> :P
[8:54] <Armand> Lemme find the adapter
[8:54] <Armand> Snooping. :D
[8:54] <ScottO_> yeah i was thinking about trying that
[8:54] <Lonefish> Stealing wifi from 3 continents away probably
[8:54] <ScottO_> lookin for some WEP
[8:55] <Armand> AHH!
[8:55] <ScottO_> dont you need 2 adapters for that?
[8:55] <Armand> Like this, but... http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/WIFI-300Mbps-WIRELESS-ADAPTOR-Antinna-802-11-G-N-LAN-NETWORK-USB-DONGLE-ADAPTER-/181116645044?hash=item2a2b64aeb4:g:xe0AAOSwcBhWWzXe
[8:55] <mlelstv> http://www.amazon.com/LYNEC-UC1-Wireless-External-v3-0-0-4/dp/B014IV439U
[8:55] <ScottO_> one to autheticate and one to listen
[8:55] <Lonefish> As I remember not?
[8:56] <Armand> Ok, ok.. this IS the one. http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Mini-USB-300Mbps-WIFI-Wireless-Adaptor-802-11-B-G-N-Lan-Network-Dongle-Adapter-/201488368768?hash=item2ee9a48480:g:sIMAAOSwZ1lWd9Ir
[8:56] <Lonefish> someone has to authenticate I thought, but you could force that in some way
[8:56] <Armand> I bought 5 of those.
[8:56] <ScottO_> LOL
[8:56] <TinkerTiger> Also, if I were more dedicaed, I'd make a webapp that'd run on he Pi to compile our logs. We lost our contest logging system due to a personality conflict.
[8:57] <ScottO_> there are like 30 wifi signals in my area
[8:57] <ScottO_> its so congested
[8:57] <Armand> I scan using my phone. :)
[8:57] <ScottO_> build your own pi AP
[8:58] <ScottO_> id love to put pfsense on one
[8:58] <mlelstv> "Please close the Anti-virus software before installing the driver."
[8:58] <Lonefish> that's reassuring..
[8:58] <ScottO_> lol
[8:59] <ScottO_> Armand: im guessing the drivers arent needed for debian/
[8:59] <Armand> I forget what I did to set mine up, tbh.
[8:59] <ScottO_> Supports WIN2K, XP, VISTA, WIN7, WIN8,WIN10,MAC, LINUX operating system
[8:59] <Armand> I haven't used my Pi or U3 for many months. :(
[8:59] <ScottO_> Armand: how much did the antenna improve from its included antenna/
[9:00] * TinkerTiger returns to idle state.
[9:00] <Armand> A lot!
[9:00] <malinus> fun thing to do - make hotspots with the same ssid as your neighbour/school/etc. and redirect everyone from facebook to ... I think you got the idea?
[9:00] <ScottO_> lol
[9:00] <ScottO_> or gather their credentials and log in as them!
[9:00] <ScottO_> :/
[9:00] <Armand> I can't recall metrics.. it's all in storage right now.
[9:01] <malinus> ScottO_: it's 2015, so must stuff is https :(
[9:01] <ScottO_> wasnt there an exploit where on the same network you could log in under someone else session?
[9:01] <Lonefish> that's a normal man in the middle attack, no?
[9:01] <ScottO_> no
[9:01] <Lonefish> I meant the ssid thingie
[9:01] <ScottO_> it was soemthing that utilized the open session
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[9:02] <ScottO_> it may not be an exploit anymore this was a few years ago
[9:02] <Lonefish> allthough a man in the middle works on the exact same network I thought, you didn't have to create a hotspot to replicate it
[9:02] <ScottO_> yeah
[9:02] <ScottO_> but if they are accessing it on your network and they dont know it
[9:03] <ScottO_> Armand: that adapter looks kind tall, will it block one of the USB ports?
[9:03] <Armand> Yes
[9:03] <Lonefish> wiki says that you could sniff the token and authenticate to the webserver using that token
[9:03] <ScottO_> awww
[9:03] <Armand> ScottO_: Hub. ^_^
[9:04] <Lonefish> might be interesting to check it out
[9:04] <ScottO_> powered hub?
[9:04] <ScottO_> id think your long antenna would use too much power
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[9:04] <Armand> I bought a powered hub, just coz.. I can't say either way.
[9:05] <brianx> antennas don't use more power, unless they include an amp.
[9:05] <ScottO_> eww you gave my a uk url
[9:05] <ScottO_> how do i switch
[9:05] <ScottO_> oh nm
[9:05] <ScottO_> change the domain name extension
[9:05] <Lonefish> indeed, usually works
[9:05] <Armand> Or search the description. :)
[9:05] <ScottO_> still in GBP
[9:05] <Lonefish> domain naime is lazier
[9:06] <Armand> I know, I owe several. :P
[9:06] <Armand> *own
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[9:06] <Lonefish> might be because seller is british?
[9:06] <ScottO_> maybe
[9:06] <ScottO_> isnt on amazon?
[9:07] <Lonefish> I opened the ebay links
[9:07] <Armand> Go look.. I have a spammy Plesk server to look at. -_-
[9:07] <Lonefish> because the amazon ones were .com?
[9:07] <ScottO_> http://www.amazon.com/300mbps-wireless-adapter-internet-network
[9:09] <malinus> 2.5 hours to compile kernel on my i5 from 2010 :3
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[9:09] <malinus> (notebook)
[9:10] <Lonefish> never compiled a kernel :p
[9:10] <Lonefish> So dunno if that's bad or good.
[9:11] <ScottO_> ive never seen this channel as active as tonight
[9:11] <ScottO_> :P good talking to you guys
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[9:11] <ScottO_> ive got my project planned out $96.70
[9:12] <malinus> It's 15526898 lines of code
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[9:13] <Lonefish> *this morning :p
[9:16] <Armand> Why do I feel the urge to kick someone in the nuts when I see a spammy Plesk server?
[9:16] <Armand> Moar haxor'd PHP! \o/
[9:18] <nid0> karma for using Plesk
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[9:18] <Armand> Yuh uhh
[9:19] <malinus> If you printed the whole kernel source (4.0.2), on printer paper (assuming 0.1mm thick), using time new romans font size 12. You would get ~3610090 pages, stacking ~36m high
[9:19] <Armand> I think anyone that willingly uses Plesk should be subject to a full frontal lobotomy, although one could argue they already have been..
[9:20] <Lonefish> Nice. If you fould a paper 42 times in half you get to the moon
[9:20] <Lonefish> Eat that Linux kernel!
[9:21] <Armand> I don't think paper is a viable material for making rockets.
[9:21] <Lonefish> It's not a rocket
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[9:21] <Armand> ^_^
[9:21] <Lonefish> It would be as high as the distance between the earth and the moon :p
[9:21] <Lonefish> Maybe if we folded the linux kernel we'd get to mars?
[9:21] <nid0> except it wouldnt as it'd have fallen over and ripped like 35 folds ago
[9:22] <Xark> Armand: Not even if it is wax coated? :)
[9:22] <Lonefish> Only details nid0
[9:22] <Armand> Xark: That would be ok for the splash-down, if it survives reentry. :P
[9:22] <Lonefish> Who's talking about reentry?
[9:22] <Lonefish> One way ticket!
[9:22] <Armand> lol
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[9:25] <irc_smirk> hello
[9:25] <irc_smirk> im trying to install my new wireless adapater
[9:26] <irc_smirk> this command does not work
[9:26] <irc_smirk> sudo iwlist
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[9:26] <irc_smirk> command not found
[9:26] <irc_smirk> sudo apt-get install iwlist doesnt work
[9:26] <Lonefish> define does not work?
[9:26] <irc_smirk> pakcage doesnt exist
[9:27] <irc_smirk> googling
[9:27] <Lonefish> did you do apt-get update?
[9:27] <irc_smirk> yeah
[9:27] <Lonefish> (doubt that would fix it, but you never know)
[9:27] <AiGreek> (haha so true)
[9:27] <irc_smirk> https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=108646
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[9:28] <irc_smirk> E: Unable to locate package wireless_tools
[9:28] <irc_smirk> ive done the update
[9:28] <Lonefish> are you on arch?
[9:28] <Lonefish> or raspbian?
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[9:28] <irc_smirk> its a modified version of rasbian?
[9:28] <irc_smirk> how would i chek for sure
[9:29] <irc_smirk> running image from here http://blog.hypriot.com/downloads/
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[9:30] <Lonefish> i have no idea
[9:31] <irc_smirk> ok idiot error
[9:31] <irc_smirk> its apt-get install wireless-tools
[9:31] <AiGreek> irc_smirk ask pigrit he always know everything
[9:31] <irc_smirk> working now
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[9:31] <Lonefish> did you apt-get wireless-tools? :p
[9:32] <irc_smirk> yeah that worked
[9:32] <Lonefish> hehe
[9:32] <irc_smirk> this really is a tinkering device. ive learnt so much this week
[9:32] <Lonefish> Pebcap problem! :p
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[9:32] <irc_smirk> its amazing that apt-get thign works as it does
[9:32] <AiGreek> i'm would like to boot on my USB Key. But Ew so much commands it's scary :x
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[9:38] <malinus> Do you guys think you can get faster GPIO writing/reading speeds on the raspberry, without running any OS? Or is the speed capped by the bcm peripheral hardware? (assuming you usually just do direct memory read/writing to use the GPIO's).
[9:38] <irc_smirk> is there a way to revert apt-get installs
[9:38] <AiGreek> apt-get remove ?
[9:38] <irc_smirk> but it installs a crap load of dependencis
[9:38] <mgottschlag> malinus: not higher speed, but reduced latency
[9:38] <irc_smirk> The following extra packages will be installed: file fontconfig-config fonts-dejavu-core liba52-0.7.4 libaacs0 libasn1-8-heimdal libasound2 libasound2-data libass5 libasyncns0 libavahi-client3 libavcodec56 libavformat56 libavresample2 libavutil54 libbluray1 libbs2b0 libcaca0 libcdio-cdda1 libcdio-paranoia1 libcdio13 libcups2 libdca0 libdirectfb-1.2-9 libdrm-freedreno1 libdrm-nouveau2 libdrm-radeon1 libdv4 libdvdnav4 lib
[9:38] <irc_smirk> and on and on
[9:39] <AiGreek> apt-get autoremove or something like that
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[9:39] <Lonefish> http://askubuntu.com/questions/231562/what-is-the-difference-between-apt-get-purge-and-apt-get-remove
[9:39] <Lonefish> (had the same issue yesterday)
[9:39] <brianx> malinus: bare metal is faster, but only if your code is as good as the os was for the task you need done.
[9:39] <mgottschlag> malinus: the speed will be limited by the 19.2MHz GPIO clock, and I don't see how the operating system would cause significant speed hits if the program is manually bashing registers
[9:40] <malinus> thanks mgottschlag. I just wasn't able to find the GPIO clock speed in the BCM2835 peripherals datasheet.
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[9:40] <mgottschlag> but the OS scheduler and other programs will preempt your code, so there are perios where you cannot do anything at all
[9:40] <mgottschlag> I think it's 19.2MHz (directly derived from the quartz crystal), but I am not sure
[9:40] <brianx> in other words... you're unlikely to do much better than an os does.
[9:41] <mgottschlag> the best compromise is to write a kernel module which has more or less full control over when it is executed
[9:41] <malinus> Yeah I'm using xenomai to get minimal latency already.
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[9:43] <malinus> Oh I've found it, it's 25MHz
[9:43] <mlelstv> nano-second latency in software? I doubt that's the right tool.
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[10:02] <mlelstv> hmm
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[10:06] <McMurlock> t
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[10:09] <pigrit> what ho ladies
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[10:09] <Armand> pigrit: Rule 16 violation. :P
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[10:10] <pigrit> ?
[10:11] <pigrit> there's only 9 rules D:
[10:11] <Armand> pigrit: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Rule+16
[10:12] <pigrit> oh that one
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[10:12] <Armand> ^_^
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[10:13] <Armand> Rule 10 is my favourite
[10:13] <pigrit> no worries mate, I was just making light of everyone's manhood (mine included)
[10:13] <Armand> lol
[10:14] <Armand> I'm British.. We invented sarcasm.
[10:14] <pigrit> yeah but then you left it lying around
[10:14] <Berg> hi
[10:14] <pigrit> and it got nicked
[10:14] <Berg> any sarcastic aussies here?
[10:14] <Armand> Of course.. the Colonies need to be educated.
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[10:15] <Berg> ha
[10:15] <Berg> you sent us to prison and we turned it into parradise now your the one that needs a visa Armand
[10:15] <pigrit> I'm british by lateral absorption
[10:16] <Berg> im a convict by extreme expulsion
[10:16] <Berg> :)
[10:16] <Armand> Berg: http://uk.embassy.gov.au/lhlh/IMMI_holiday_info_eng.html
[10:16] <Armand> :)
[10:17] <pigrit> to be fair, aussies were minor convicts (I read)
[10:17] <Berg> hay your the one thats gona get lost in the bush and ask for help we gona ask for a visa
[10:18] <Berg> no visa no help
[10:18] <Armand> I don't get lost. :)
[10:18] <pigrit> yeah tell limey :D
[10:18] <Berg> we can arrange that for you
[10:18] <Armand> The Irish already tried.. Good luck with that. :P
[10:18] <pigrit> so bruce, what's up in australia today
[10:18] <Berg> hahahahha
[10:19] <Berg> well the price of snake venom vaccine is up
[10:19] <Armand> pigrit: Not much, Sheila.
[10:19] <pigrit> that's terrible news
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[10:19] <Berg> few other tourists missing
[10:20] <Berg> the croc population has expandedf due to them feeding on tourists
[10:20] <Berg> not much more to tell
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[10:20] <pigrit> to be honest, were I in oz, I'd be less afraid of reptiles than I'd be of arachnids
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[10:21] <Berg> eVisitor Visa
[10:21] <Berg> you still need a visa
[10:22] <Berg> we have spiders that eat snakes
[10:22] <Berg> so your correct
[10:22] <Ispira> you're*
[10:22] <Armand> Berg: It's easier that the US ESTA. :)
[10:23] <Berg> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j65i5PDUeT4
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[10:23] <pigrit> and yet there's surprisingly few yearly deaths due to nature in oz (again, I read)
[10:23] <Berg> its always the tourist that die
[10:24] <Berg> natives are used to and can handle every day life
[10:24] <Berg> im a native
[10:24] <pigrit> yeah but not as many as you'd think, is my point
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[10:24] <Berg> yes
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[10:24] <Berg> and my point is we grew up with these3 creatures we know what not to do
[10:24] <pigrit> native-NATIVE, or still originated from pommyland
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[10:24] <Berg> convict
[10:25] <pigrit> ex limey
[10:25] <Berg> im irish
[10:25] <Berg> we never liked pommies
[10:25] <pigrit> does it make a difference for aussies
[10:25] <Armand> US ESTA: Authorization Approved. Exp: Apr 14, 2017
[10:25] <Berg> what make a difference?
[10:25] <Armand> ^_^
[10:26] <pigrit> do they differentiate between different bits of pommyland
[10:26] <Berg> yes
[10:26] <Berg> irish and scottish are not pommies
[10:26] <Berg> they are human
[10:26] <pigrit> yeah try calling a scot "pommy"
[10:26] <Berg> im not
[10:26] <pigrit> get a mouthful of skull
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[10:27] <Armand> ^ +++
[10:27] <Berg> you one strange fish
[10:27] <Berg> Berg irish and scottish are not pommies
[10:27] <Berg> can yopu read
[10:27] <Berg> can you?
[10:27] <pigrit> the one country that responded to international terrorism with kicks to the balls
[10:27] <pigrit> yeah it's called a comedic aside
[10:28] <Berg> i dont unde3rstand your logic
[10:28] <Berg> but i will let you off as you a pm
[10:28] <Berg> pom
[10:28] <pigrit> quick! is either of us made entirely of mercury
[10:28] <Berg> you seem to be very random
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[10:29] <pigrit> I'm not a pommy, but a pommy once called me a wop
[10:29] <pigrit> not sure what he was thinking
[10:29] <pigrit> a greasy one, too
[10:29] <pigrit> I don't even use hair gel!
[10:30] <Berg> you said you was a pom whaqt are ya?
[10:30] <pigrit> I'm italian
[10:30] <Berg> thats not a wop
[10:30] <pigrit> that's what I said too
[10:30] <Berg> your a daygo
[10:30] <Ispira> dafuq is this terminology
[10:31] <pigrit> nah daygos are spaniards
[10:31] <Berg> hehehe
[10:31] <Ispira> pom wop daygo myeow'
[10:31] <Berg> nope
[10:31] <Berg> anyway dont matter
[10:31] <Berg> you spreech hingrish
[10:31] <pigrit> I know all the english racisms because my partner is a londoner
[10:32] <Berg> its not realy racist if you say it nicely
[10:32] <malinus> is it racims if it's true?
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[10:33] <pigrit> like the philosopher mr d.hunter puts it, "WAS THERE HATE IN YOUR HEART WHEN YOU SAID THAT ?"
[10:33] <deshipu> malinus: it is, because you are calling attention to irrelevant detail
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[10:33] <Berg> the definition of racism is using a deriogative term
[10:33] <deshipu> and the definition of torture doesn't include waterboarding
[10:34] <deshipu> apparently
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[10:34] <Berg> how did that evole into the topic?
[10:34] <deshipu> it always does
[10:34] <pigrit> now, now, we were having fun so far
[10:34] <Berg> evolve
[10:35] <Berg> still pommies are not scots or irish
[10:35] <pigrit> yeah we got that
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[10:35] <Berg> so mister mercury man whats your point?
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[10:36] <pigrit> I haven't got one, I think all I said was "what's up in oz"
[10:36] <pigrit> have you met Il Cobretto, he's on holiday over there right now
[10:36] <pigrit> friend of mine
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[10:37] <Berg> is he here in my town?
[10:37] <pigrit> how am I to know
[10:38] <Berg> you ask me had i met him?
[10:38] <Berg> i thought you ment here
[10:38] <pigrit> yeah, have you ?
[10:38] <Berg> is he here in my town?
[10:38] <pigrit> how am I to know
[10:38] <Berg> ok this is a loop
[10:38] <Berg> can we break out of this
[10:38] <Berg> sheesh
[10:38] <pigrit> you shoulda put a counter in
[10:39] <Berg> has your friend called cobretto met me?
[10:39] <pigrit> dude you take me for a wizard
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[10:39] <Berg> you do know the de3finition of dude in australia?
[10:39] <pigrit> if you mean, did the cobra write home "hey I met Berg, he's ok"
[10:39] <pigrit> then no, he did not
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[10:40] <Berg> some cowboy wearing a pink hat and fancy dress
[10:40] <pigrit> pink cowboy hat
[10:40] <pigrit> or just any hat
[10:40] <Berg> dude
[10:40] <pigrit> any pink hat, that is
[10:40] <Berg> anywa moving along
[10:41] <Berg> wat is santa gona bring ya?
[10:41] <pigrit> then maybe you are friends with the East Village Vampire ? that's another guy I know from oz
[10:41] <Berg> did he say he knew me?
[10:41] <pigrit> you didn't come up in convos, no
[10:42] <Berg> so ok
[10:42] <pigrit> I just ask anyone I meet from oz
[10:42] <Berg> hehehe
[10:42] <Berg> have you met many aussies?
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[10:42] <pigrit> a handful
[10:42] <Berg> which hand left or right?
[10:43] <pigrit> probably left
[10:43] <Berg> ha i see thats your issue
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[10:43] <pigrit> I just assumed you all knew each other
[10:43] <Berg> you dealing with the politions on the l;eft
[10:43] <Berg> im a right wing activist
[10:43] <Berg> we do but we dont talk
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[10:44] <Berg> there are about 600 folks in my town and i met them all
[10:44] <pigrit> cool
[10:45] <Berg> more cows then people
[10:45] <Berg> hehehe
[10:46] <pigrit> and 60 million spiders
[10:49] <Berg> more then that
[10:49] <Berg> than
[10:49] <Berg> maybe 60billion
[10:49] <Berg> 10 spiders every square meter
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[13:34] <doublehp> during raspberry Pi installation, it seems to me like the SSH server keys are already set in /etc; it seems to me that it could be a security issue; am I right ? if yes, how to I regenerate them ?
[13:37] <mlelstv> http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/howto-regenerate-openssh-host-keys/
[13:38] <doublehp> mlelstv: thanks , seems to be it
[13:39] <mlelstv> still wondering wether this is really necessary. Storing hostkeys in the installation image would be a bug. The keys should be generated at first boot.
[13:41] <doublehp> mlelstv: completely agree; that's why I am putting the regen lines in my personnal first boot script; yes, I am writing an auto-installation script: going to setup more than 10 rPis in the year, so, I will make a common installation process
[13:41] <shinji257> Yea. Not a good idea to have pre-generated host keys in an image.
[13:42] <doublehp> my script will also auto-expand filesystem , and set auto backup and so on ...
[13:42] <mlelstv> the regen lines should already be in the start script. You just need to make sure to remove existing keys when you create the image.
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[14:11] <styler2go> Can i somehow connect this to my raspberry pi? http://www.amazon.de/Wireless-WiFi-Steuermodul-LED-Controller-Wlan/dp/B00LL2AQJQ/
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[14:14] <mlelstv> you can connect it to any computer with WiFi.
[14:14] <styler2go> it is only 2,4ghz wireless, not wifi
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[14:15] <mlelstv> hmm
[14:15] <styler2go> i'd need another controller for it to have wifi http://www.amazon.de/Wifi-WLAN-Controller-Milight-Mi-Light/dp/B00L3BNHZU/
[14:15] <mlelstv> ah, you need the wifi bridge for that
[14:15] <styler2go> i thought that too but well, missleadign article description.-
[14:16] <styler2go> do i really need it or is there some way to get the pi to talk to it directly?
[14:17] <mlelstv> there are 2.4GHz tranceivers, but it's probably difficult to find the protocol used.
[14:17] <styler2go> hmm true
[14:17] <mlelstv> any reason for that controller?
[14:18] <styler2go> i thoguht it is cheap and thoguht it has "real" wifi...
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[14:19] <mlelstv> http://www.amazon.de/Wifi-WLAN-Controller-Milight-Mi-Light/dp/B00L3BNHZU
[14:19] <mlelstv> seems to be real wifi
[14:19] <styler2go> yeah
[14:19] <styler2go> i probably need to buy this too
[14:19] <mlelstv> the alternative is to make the RPI control the LEDs itself
[14:19] <styler2go> i just thought maybe there is a wifi to use it with the raspberry pidirectly
[14:19] <mlelstv> requires "only" a power supply for the LED strips :)
[14:19] <styler2go> mlelstv: isn't that even more difficult?
[14:20] <mlelstv> the WS2812B based LED strips are easy to use
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[14:21] <styler2go> But they are expensive
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[14:21] <styler2go> i already have the led strip and controllers here...
[14:22] <mlelstv> ah
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[14:23] <styler2go> i found out about WS2812B after i already bought the led strips
[14:23] <styler2go> kind of sad bc those seem to be awesome
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[14:32] <mlelstv> either that or the wifi bridge. people are already using it with linux machines, rpi will be fine.
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[14:34] <styler2go> ok
[14:35] <Ub3r> Gadgetoid: you around?
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[14:40] <Lyka> so i ordered a 320x480 lcd for $19.00, wondering what the catch was
[14:41] <Lyka> natually, it doesn't work on model 2B
[14:41] <Lyka> (lucky i have an A+ as well...)
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[14:43] <Lyka> am i an idiot?
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[14:47] <deshipu> why wouldn't it work?
[14:48] <Lyka> naturally as in what i et for buying cheap components
[14:48] <Ub3r> Pi 2 is the same as the A+ minus the ethernet and USB, etc
[14:48] <Ub3r> GPIO is the same
[14:48] <Lyka> pi2 has a different cpu
[14:49] <Ub3r> Lyka: that's not going to preven a LCD from working
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[14:49] <Lyka> i guess the review i read on an obscure site was wrong then
[14:50] <deshipu> how could that be
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[14:50] <deshipu> I thought everything you read on the Internet is true
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[14:51] <Ub3r> Lyka: I would do some further digging and find a git that will work with that LCD.
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[14:52] <Lyka> yeah. a 320x480 for $19 is a good deal i assume
[14:54] <Lyka> font size 6x12, screen res 480x320, term size 80x26
[14:54] <Lyka> won't even need a monitor
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[14:56] <Ub3r> TFT screens are pretty cheap; if they come with Breakout Board is when the price starts to go up
[14:56] <s1341> Hi
[14:56] <Lyka> it has a board
[14:56] <s1341> I'm trying to compile a kernel for a raspberry pi 2.
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[14:58] <s1341> i manage to compile the kernel and install it on my sd card, but when trying to boot the new kernel, i get the following errors: "mmc0: timeout waiting for hardware interrupt." full bootlog is here: https://ghostbin.com/paste/js4zv
[14:58] <Lyka> http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B017TZZCRO
[14:58] <s1341> i'd appreciate it if someone could have a look and tell me what to try.
[14:59] <s1341> i'm a bit of a rpi noob, but have lots of experience with linux
[15:00] <Lyka> at least you got a kernel to compile. i assume i'm nowhere near there
[15:00] <s1341> is this the right channel for
[15:00] <s1341> me or should i be in -dev?
[15:01] <Lyka> raspberry pi
[15:01] <Lyka> i make comments everywhere i go
[15:01] <divx118> s1341, You should be good here to ask that question.
[15:01] <Lyka> don't judge by my response, i'm just being friendly
[15:02] <s1341> divx118: any suggestions?
[15:03] <Lyka> s1341: you probably know this, but mmc0 is the microsd port
[15:03] <divx118> s1341, SD-card, data corruption perhaps.
[15:03] <s1341> divx118: i
[15:03] <s1341> if
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[15:04] <s1341> divx118: if I comment out the kernel=newkernel.img in my config.txt, the device boots fine with the same sdcard
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[15:06] <divx118> s1341, Ah ok thats not it then. No further suggestions. I never build a kernel for the rpi. Never needed to, so can't help you much. However just wait around and see if someone else has other suggestions.
[15:06] <knob> Good morning! Don't know if you guys saw this, yet I found it initeresting... http://ubuntu-pi-flavour-maker.org/
[15:06] <knob> Downloading the Xubuntu image now to test it out. =)
[15:07] <s1341> divx118: thanks. i'm breaking my head on this
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[15:09] <Ub3r> s1341: is there a reason NOOB won't work instead of compiling your own?
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[15:10] <Ub3r> Or use a compiled Raspbian ?
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[15:11] <s1341> Ub3r: i need to compile the kernel myself as I'm trying to debug an issue that is related to the kernel's handling of signals.
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[15:11] <s1341> Ub3r: so i need to be able to add printks to the kernel code.
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[15:11] <s1341> Ub3r: note that I haven't touched the code yet... so that's not why this thing is failing.
[15:11] <Ub3r> gotcha
[15:12] <s1341> going to try using a usb stick as the rootfs...
[15:13] <H4ndy> Im doing this but be aware that it kills the sticks within one year approx
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[15:13] <s1341> H4ndy: i just need it to work 'now'.
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[15:27] <Drexl> the rasp pi 2 processor is 32 or 64 bit?
[15:28] <ShorTie> 32
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[15:38] <netsrot> ls
[15:38] <netsrot> ops
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[15:49] <ShorTie> try tree instead
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[16:20] <styler2go> if i shutdown a rpi the only way to start it up again is pluggin the power cable?
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[16:20] <ShorTie> Yuppers ... :)
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[16:22] <SopaAlt> styler2go, no!
[16:22] <SopaAlt> there is a connector named P6
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[16:22] <SopaAlt> (on Pi1)
[16:23] <SopaAlt> short its pins and it will start
[16:23] <myself> short its pins and it will go into a reset state. Remove the short and the thing will boot back up. :)
[16:24] <myself> Usually a momentary pushbutton does the needful, but just to be clear..
[16:24] <SopaAlt> myself, +1
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[16:28] <styler2go> you give yoruself +1.. wow
[16:28] <styler2go> thanks for the information :)
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[16:33] <Apocx> technically if you shutdown the pi (using the shutdown -h 0 command or equivalent) you can also restart it by shorting Pin#5 to ground on GPIO (BCM GPIO3)
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[16:38] <heller_> styler2go: you can start it with RUN holes
[16:39] <heller_> Apocx: what sort of pin is that?
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[16:40] <Apocx> it's a GPIO pin. it will wake the CPU from a halt state (which is what it enters when you do a shutdown command)
[16:40] <Apocx> the P6 run "holes" will work as well, and will also reset it if it is already running
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[16:41] <Apocx> the GPIO pin method won't reset it, only wake it up as I recall. so if it's already running I don't think it will do anything
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[16:43] <Apocx> http://elinux.org/RPI_safe_mode#Wake_from_Halt.5B1.5D
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[16:49] <Apocx> Incidentally you can also make the same pin act as a soft shutdown trigger with a simple script. So you could safely shutdown and then start up the Pi with a button press. The RUN header method is a hard reset and could corrupt data if it is in the middle of writing to the SD card
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[17:09] <dandan_> Hi, I was looking for the cheapest alternative to the raspberry (the Zero would be perfect but there is no way I'll be able to get it), I just need to run some tasks, connect to wifi and use a nrf24l01 module. Is there something worth it?
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[17:12] <SpeedEvil> esp8266
[17:12] <SpeedEvil> #esp8266
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[17:12] <SpeedEvil> they are from 2 dollars and up for a module
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[17:12] <SpeedEvil> wifi + 80MHz 32 bit powerful CPU + ~40K of RAM ...
[17:13] <SpeedEvil> http://www.aliexpress.com/item/New-version-ESP-12E-replace-ESP-12-ESP8266-remote-serial-Port-WIFI-wireless-module/32339917567.html?ws_ab_test=searchweb201556_4,searchweb201644_3_79_78_77_82_80_62,searchweb201560_1
[17:13] <jancoow> thats evil speed cpu!
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[17:13] <SpeedEvil> http://www.aliexpress.com/item/4M-4FLASH-NodeMcu-Lua-WIFI-Networking-development-board-Based-ESP8266/32448662166.html?ws_ab_test=searchweb201556_4,searchweb201644_3_79_78_77_82_80_62,searchweb201560_1 for easier to use
[17:13] <SpeedEvil> (prototype)
[17:14] <jancoow> looks cool?!
[17:14] <jancoow> do you have one?
[17:14] <dandan_> I seen those but I didn't know you could use them like that
[17:14] <SpeedEvil> i have some on order, and they work. (I have no contact with that particular seller)
[17:15] <jancoow> looks interesting.
[17:15] <SpeedEvil> dandan_: they come with a 'AT' firmware that acts like a sort-of-wifi modem.
[17:15] <SpeedEvil> You can run abitrary code instead - native to the module, to talk to a Pi, or whatever
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[17:16] <jancoow> SpeedEvil: can you hook these up to your normal wifi router directly and talk to them through a web api for example (like philips hue lamps) ?
[17:16] <dandan_> I would need to talk to other nodes using nrf24l01, connect to the internet and do some read/writes to a database
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[17:16] <SpeedEvil> yes.
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[17:17] <SpeedEvil> https://spritesmods.com/?art=einkdisplay http://www.esp8266.com/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=376
[17:17] <jancoow> programming language is?
[17:17] <SpeedEvil> C, lua, ... it also has a variant of the arduino stack on it
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[17:18] <SpeedEvil> they are useful for acting as peripheral sensors for a larger system, be it a Pi, or whatever.
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[17:18] <jancoow> uhu
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[17:18] <SpeedEvil> And may make other things that attempt to avoid wifi on every node redundant for some usecases.
[17:19] <jancoow> was more thinking put these things in every christmass light box for example
[17:19] <dandan_> What is bugging me is: how can I keep receiving messages from my nodes while I'm reading/writing to a database on a server?
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[17:20] <dandan_> Maybe I could use an arduino as a "buffer" to manage only the NRF connection? Or is there a simpler way?
[17:21] <jancoow> dandan_ wat are you trying to do
[17:21] <heller_> can you guys assist me with scripting
[17:21] <heller_> im thinking of using bash or python
[17:21] <heller_> i know little of both
[17:21] <jancoow> heller_ only programming sorry
[17:21] <heller_> that then :p
[17:21] <jancoow> :)
[17:22] <jancoow> don't call it scripting
[17:22] <jancoow> it sounds so noob
[17:22] <jancoow> but what are you willing to make?
[17:22] <Armand> It is scripting.
[17:23] <methuzla> heller_ just ask your question
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[17:25] <dandan_> jancoow: Sort of IOT, I need to control some arduinos from the internet. Every arduino will use a nrf24l01 module, I need a very simple gateway. It needs to listen data from the senors and send commands to them. I would like to use a server I already own as a controller (The gateway should put the sensor values in the server's database and periodically read for incoming commands)
[17:25] <heller_> jancoow: well thats what i am :P
[17:25] <heller_> im just wondering what is the way for me to make a bash or python program to check for ping and log it
[17:25] <dandan_> So I don't need the processing power for a local web server
[17:25] <heller_> i want to log packet loss and the ping average
[17:26] <pigrit> btw scripting and programming are two different things, it's not a matter of noobzority
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[17:26] <SpeedEvil> dandan_: I was meaning ditch the arduino and NRF entirely, do all the sensing on the ESPs, connected directly to the Pi, running the arduino firmware
[17:27] <methuzla> heller_ basic linux redirect/piping: ping (whatever) > log.txt
[17:27] <jancoow> dandan_: sounds like my domotica system actual is doing i think
[17:28] <dandan_> SpeedEvil: NRF is way less power consuming, and I don't have a raspberry, that's why I was looking for a cheap/effective alternative
[17:28] <SpeedEvil> Pi - or any server
[17:28] <heller_> methuzla: and how to take only packet loss and average?
[17:28] <heller_> i need to strip all others off
[17:28] <SpeedEvil> and yes, if you care about power consumptuion under a milliamp
[17:29] <dandan_> SpeedEvil: the server I was mentioning is not local
[17:29] <SpeedEvil> dandan_: sure
[17:29] <jancoow> dandan_: i have 4 pi's hanging around in the house with different sensors/ actuators. Every pi push new sensor data to the database when there is new data available. When you click on a action on my website a row in the database is updated and a udp package is send to the node. Node get updates, and imidately the action is performed.
[17:29] <methuzla> heller_ magical combos of one or more of: grep, cut, sed, awk, etc...
[17:30] <heller_> right
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[17:31] <pigrit> bum, I ordered some "solderless headers" because I was afraid of soldering P6, and I got some normal male-male headers :(
[17:32] <jancoow> LOL
[17:32] <dandan_> jancoow: yeah, that's very similar, with raspberries it should be quite easy, quite painful by using only dumb microcontrollers
[17:32] <jancoow> dandan_: not really. You need 2 things: database connection and receiving udp packges. That's it
[17:33] <heller_> they are solderless if you dont solder them :)
[17:33] <jancoow> dandan_: my pi is looping through all sensors 10 times per second, comparing local stored values with the readed sensor values: if values are not simular it will be pushed to the database
[17:34] <heller_> simular
[17:34] <heller_> funny word
[17:34] <dandan_> Hmm, so it is the pi that asks data from the nodes whenever he wants, it could be a solution...
[17:35] <methuzla> heller_ (simple example) ping -c 5 127.0.0.1 | grep loss >> log.txt
[17:35] <dandan_> Makes sense, so it is synchronous, I was thinking about the problems of an async network
[17:35] <methuzla> heller_ (simple example) ping -c 5 127.0.0.1 | tail -3 >> log.txt
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[17:37] <mozzwald> have you looked at mqtt?
[17:37] <dandan_> I was thinking about using AWS DynamoDB, so I don't even need a server and it is practically free
[17:37] <jancoow> well at my situation the pi's are just dumbass nodes, only checking sensor data the whole time and push changes to the database. (database is running on a server). The server self handles action what could happen with this new data. For example when a motion sensor becomes 1 (so there is motion) a trigger activates that the lights has to go on. Lights could be easily on a different node in some other room, because the server handles every actio
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[17:38] <dandan_> mozzwald: I know a little about https://www.rabbitmq.com/, is it something similar?
[17:41] <mozzwald> dandan_: it's a protocol that seems to fit what you want. i've never used it, but from my understanding each node contacts the server and gets/send messages (ie sensor data)
[17:42] <mozzwald> there's clients for arduino, esp, etc
[17:43] <dandan_> Thanks, looks very interesting
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[17:43] <Chillum> dandan_: The various AWS databases are really great for small projects. The free tier is big enough for a lot of stuff and after that it is so cheap for most small projects
[17:44] <Chillum> that at times I have used an 8x Pi 2 redis cluster
[17:45] <dandan_> Chillum: yes, I discovered it recently and now I try to use it for everything (generated static websites, uptime monitors, ..)
[17:45] <Chillum> nice to not have to worry about backups and replacing bad servers etc
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[17:46] <Chillum> and for coordinating nodes all over
[17:47] <Chillum> I used SimpleDB to monitor the stats on dozens of systems when I worked for Amazon, a static S3 page with javascript and read only credentials could draw graphs on demand
[17:47] <Chillum> the whole monitoring system required no servers, just services
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[17:48] <AviramH> Hello
[17:49] <dandan_> It is amazing what you can do without even an EC2 instance: https://cloudnative.io/blog/2015/05/lambda-chat/
[17:49] <AviramH> I got my RPi2 today and I have a question regarding the usb ports. I would like to connect external HD to the RPi2 but when I do so the RPi2 complains about bad current. So I searched online and figured I need a hub with external powering.
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[17:50] <AviramH> I also read about backfeeding, and wondered if I'm planning to connect my raspberry seperatly to the power and the hub seperatly, should I mind about back-feeding?
[17:51] <dandan_> Anyone knows about the indoor range of ESP8266 modules?
[17:51] <AviramH> and should I care about the quality of the hub/check it's reviews?
[17:51] <Chillum> lambda has a lot of potential
[17:51] <Apocx> get a decent USB hub and it shouldn't backfeed
[17:51] <Apocx> I've used this one a lot: http://www.amazon.com/Plugable-7-Port-Speed-Power-Adapter/dp/B003Z4G3I6
[17:52] <AviramH> but can it backfeed if i'm not powering the RaspberryPi through the hub?
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[17:52] <AviramH> because I'm not quite understanding the term "backfeeding", Apocx
[17:53] <Apocx> backfeeding is powering the pi through it's type-A usb ports
[17:53] <Apocx> instead of its microUSB port
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[17:55] <Apocx> http://raspberrypi.stackexchange.com/questions/28310/whats-the-problem-with-backfeeding
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[17:56] <AviramH> And if I don't connect it to the type-A usb ports
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[17:56] <AviramH> it shouldn't be problem?
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[17:56] <Apocx> well I mean you have to if you want to connect the Hub to the Pi
[17:56] <Apocx> you usually won't have to worry about backfeeding
[17:57] <Apocx> unless you have cheap chinese usb hubs or something
[17:59] <AviramH> How can I know if it's a cheap chinese? D:
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[18:03] <Chillum> it will be inexpensive, and ship from China
[18:05] <Apocx> you can use a multimeter and see if there is 5V power on the uplink port of the hub (usually a miniB USB port, so it is different than the rectangular typeA ports). or plug it into the pi, power the pi up, and the remove the microUSB cable so only the typeA USB cable is plugged in (which is then connected to the miniB uplink port on the USB hub). if the pi doesn't turn off when you disconnect the microusb cable, then your hub is backfeeding
[18:05] <heller_> methuzla: mm really simple yes
[18:07] <yoosi> Is there any danger to backfeeding?
[18:07] <Apocx> it bypasses a fuse, so there is a small chance it could cause problems in over current situations
[18:09] <Apocx> but unless the hub is not conforming to USB standards, it shouldn't be backfeeding anyway
[18:09] <Apocx> (and cheap chinese hubs are the most likely to not conform to standards)
[18:10] <Apocx> http://elinux.org/RPi_Powered_USB_Hubs
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[18:11] <Apocx> I personally like the pluggable 7 port USB 2.0 hubs the best
[18:11] <heller_> oh man, seems like i wont order the huzzah
[18:11] <heller_> postage is almost double to the unit itself
[18:11] <AviramH> So if I buy a non-cheap one by a well-known trademark it should be OK i guess
[18:11] <Apocx> Yes. if in doubt, use the list I just linked to verify it will work
[18:11] <yours_truly> Hey all, not sure if this is something you guys can help with: I've installed raspbian-jessie to my sd card and I'm trying to mount it under arch linux but I can't see any partitions to mount, any ideas?
[18:12] <traeak> i have apowered 7 port which is very nice
[18:12] <traeak> runs the pi2 and all peripherals
[18:12] <Apocx> yep
[18:12] <traeak> appaerntly you didn't install it properly
[18:12] <traeak> use dd on the image then?
[18:12] <yours_truly> I did
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[18:13] <traeak> unplug and replug the card?
[18:13] <yoosi> Does it boot when you power on the pi with the SD in?
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[18:13] <yours_truly> yoosi: I don't have the pi with me, trying to set it up headless since I don't have hdmi adapter and usb hub
[18:14] <yoosi> This is the pi zero then? It's my understanding that only wheezy works
[18:14] <yours_truly> basically I'm trying to accomplish this; http://davidmaitland.me/2015/12/raspberry-pi-zero-headless-setup/ but can't get the install mounted
[18:14] <yours_truly> It is a zero, but either way I can't mount it to configure it :D
[18:14] <yoosi> can I see the output of sudo fisk -l
[18:14] <yoosi> sudo fdisk -l
[18:14] <traeak> may need to unplug replug card to get the tables detected
[18:15] <yours_truly> I'm in osx right now, but diskutil list is: /dev/disk3 (external, physical): #: TYPE NAME SIZE IDENTIFIER 0: *15.9 GB disk3
[18:16] <yoosi> have you tried traeak's step of unlplugging it and replugging it in?
[18:16] <yours_truly> A few times, but I'll try again right now
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[18:16] <traeak> fdisk -l should get you something
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[18:17] <yours_truly> just unplugged / replugged, same thing
[18:18] <yoosi> run sudo fdisk -l from terminal.app and upload the output to a pastebin please
[18:18] <yours_truly> fdisk -l is an invalid option
[18:19] <yoosi> sudo diskutil list
[18:19] <yours_truly> this is the `diskutil list` output http://pastebin.com/UFyA7SyW
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[18:21] <yoosi> Your card is the 16GB not the 32GB, right?
[18:21] <yours_truly> Correct, the 32gb is a usb drive with arch on it
[18:21] <traeak> cat /proc/partitions works
[18:21] <traeak> without elevated privs
[18:22] <yoosi> I suspect your image is bad. I would format and dd again
[18:22] <yours_truly> I'll try it again
[18:23] <yoosi> try traeak's suggestion first please
[18:23] <yours_truly> cat: /proc/partitions: No such file or directory
[18:24] <yours_truly> erased and reformatted: 1: DOS_FAT_32 UNTITLED 15.9 GB disk3s1
[18:26] <yours_truly> writing now
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[18:27] <yours_truly> shit, I'm so dumb. I think I just figured out my problem.
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[18:28] <yoosi> ???
[18:28] <yours_truly> would you believe I'm writing the zip instead of the img
[18:28] <yours_truly> holy crap
[18:29] <yoosi> I would believe that. The simplest answer is usually the correct answer
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[18:30] <yoosi> I'm just jelly you got your hands on a Zero
[18:31] <yours_truly> I was surprised, I happened to check my local microcenter and they had them
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[18:32] <pa> hi
[18:32] <pa> is it possible to backpower a Pi0?
[18:34] <traeak> now i'm confused
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[18:34] <traeak> /proc/partitions is standard across pretty much any linux right?
[18:35] <yours_truly> yoosi: I think I'm good now, new `diskutil list1 output http://pastebin.com/nh5y1ATm
[18:35] <traeak> and yeah....usually something simple is wrong. troubleshooting is fun
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[18:37] <traeak> oh your running windows trying to bootstrap this. god help you with that
[18:37] <yours_truly> Ok, time to reboot and try again, thanks for you help guys
[18:37] <yours_truly> Windows? No, OSX
[18:38] <MY123> Windows 10 Mobile works relativly well
[18:38] <traeak> oh even worse :-p
[18:38] <yours_truly> lol
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[18:38] <traeak> pay a premium for artificial limitations :-p
[18:39] <yoosi> Heh
[18:39] <MY123> traeak, Apple stuff is flexible
[18:40] <MY123> http://s29.postimg.org/xyhci9e0n/armapple.png
[18:40] <traeak> MY123: on the laptop side i'll take a thinkpad any days
[18:40] <yoosi> I watched Windows 10's IOT video showcasing their shit for RPi and Android
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[18:40] <yoosi> The crowd went nuts over a Hello World on the Arduino. WTF
[18:40] <MY123> yoosi, Windows Embedded Compact works also on the RPi1
[18:40] <traeak> heh
[18:41] <yoosi> Huh
[18:41] <traeak> soundsl ike they may try to recompile chromiumRPI to get more speedups
[18:41] <traeak> :-p
[18:41] <MY123> Embedded Compact= CE kernel
[18:41] <MY123> IoT Core= NT kernel
[18:41] <traeak> i feel a tad like trolling today is all
[18:42] <yoosi> I run a variety of Linux distros on servers and a laptop, OS X on my daily driver, Windows 7,10 and 2012 R2 at work
[18:42] <traeak> must be the holidays
[18:42] <traeak> my desktop here is still stuck on arch linux. runnig void on new stuff
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[18:42] <yoosi> I see value in IoT Core, I just don't believe it's often the right tool for the job
[18:42] <yoosi> If someone already codes in C# I'm sure it's a huge blessing
[18:42] <traeak> have a pair of dual xeon (40 cores with HT), one running win7 (yuk) and one running arch still
[18:42] <yoosi> I'm not familiar with void
[18:43] <traeak> void doesn't have any systemd abomination stuff
[18:43] <traeak> means it actually boots quickly and efficiently
[18:43] <traeak> an ex bsd guy in the eu manages it
[18:43] <traeak> also available for the rpi as well
[18:43] <yoosi> I love my MacBook. It has all the *nix utilities I rely on for my dev workflow, a nice form factor, and a killer display and battery
[18:44] <traeak> still will take a thinkpad over that anyd day
[18:44] <traeak> keyboard
[18:44] <traeak> and keyboard and keyboard again hehe
[18:44] <yoosi> Keyboard is fine for me. The trackpad is a big selling point
[18:44] <yoosi> Force touch is very comfy
[18:45] <traeak> outlet.lenovo.com :-p
[18:45] <MY123> yoosi, IoT Core has the bells and whistles of Windows
[18:46] <traeak> i still use a desktop for anything serious. have to have an ergo keyboard or else....regardless...
[18:47] <yoosi> Kinesis Freestyle 2 checking in
[18:47] <yoosi> Das mech keyboard at home
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[18:47] <yoosi> Thrift store find for $3 believe it or now. Just had to clean off the spilled soda with some rubbing alcohol
[18:47] <yoosi> I don't have a desktop though. I rely on my servers and laptops
[18:48] <yoosi> MY123: I may look into it further. Perhaps I can find an excuse to use it at work since we're largely a Windows shop
[18:49] <MY123> yoosi, a hint: disable the GUI and only use cmd.exe over SSH or PSRemoting
[18:49] <yoosi> I've read people are concerned about deploying a RPi in a production environment because SDs are prone to corruption but isn't that largely due to poor power regulation from cheap adapters?
[18:49] <yoosi> I run my Pis headless so no issue there ;)
[18:49] <MY123> yoosi, and CLI apps ported to jailbroken Windows RT run unmodified on IoT Core
[18:50] <MY123> you already have Apache, Python, Perl, and Clang :)
[18:50] <yoosi> I've also held off on learning IoT core because we aren't on Win8 or 10 yet so :P
[18:50] <yoosi> I should learn Apache more. I run Nginx at the moment
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[18:52] <yoosi> I have one use case I can think of for a Pi at work but I don't know where to start
[18:52] <yoosi> We interface with a legacy mainframe that is maintained by an outside organization
[18:52] <yoosi> They run a direct line into our network
[18:52] <yoosi> To print, their mainframe uses LPR
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[18:53] <yoosi> Currently, employees print to a workgroup printer that the mainframe has been configured to fire off jobs to then the scan them *gag*
[18:53] <yoosi> I'd like to emulate an LPR printer and then distill the jobs to PDF and shove them on a SAMBA share to be retrieved
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[19:11] <AviramH> well
[19:11] <AviramH> I just got my hub
[19:12] <AviramH> and the devices connected to the hub doesn't appear to work
[19:12] <AviramH> Even tho it's not a cheap one :|(
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[19:16] <doublehp> how do i prevent sleep mode after 7mn ?
[19:16] <doublehp> for X
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[19:18] <Apocx> what devices AviramH?
[19:18] <Apocx> are they supported devices? do they have drivers for the pi?
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[19:24] <Chillum> I am trying to disable console serial so I can use serial for something else. In the past I had to modify /etc/inittab but now it does not exist. Is removing it from /boot/cmdline.txt enough now?
[19:24] <AviramH> They work when connected directly
[19:24] <Chillum> or is it somewhere else?
[19:24] <AviramH> The WiFi dongle works
[19:24] <AviramH> the remote receiver doesn't (Rii)
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[19:24] <AviramH> Well I guess I could connect it directly..
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[19:27] <daveake> Chillum Just disable in raspi-config
[19:27] <Chillum> ahh, progress
[19:27] <Chillum> thanks
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[20:04] <dandan_> Does someone have experience with Nrf24l01 indoor range?
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[20:04] <harushimo> i just bought a new raspberry pi 2. I'm trying to install raspbian. I extracted the image and copy it to my microsd. I still can't get to read. It shows no errors on it
[20:04] <harushimo> Is it because I have it formatted as exFat not Fat 32
[20:04] <harushimo> ?
[20:04] <Spiffy> Yes
[20:04] <Spiffy> It might be
[20:05] <harushimo> with OSX, the only option in the disk utility is exFat or FAT?
[20:05] <Spiffy> Ehm
[20:05] <Spiffy> You shouldnt be formatting it like that - you should restorte the image file, to the sd card
[20:05] <Spiffy> https://www.raspberrypi.org/documentation/installation/installing-images/mac.md
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[20:06] <harushimo> its a new sd card. I never used it
[20:07] <harushimo> I'm new here. I'm going to ask the dumbest question. Once you extract the image, you can just do a drag and drop in the sd card.. correct?
[20:07] <Apocx> no
[20:07] <Spiffy> No
[20:07] <Apocx> you have to burn the image to the sd card
[20:07] <Spiffy> Follow the instructions here: https://www.raspberrypi.org/documentation/installation/installing-images/mac.md
[20:07] <Spiffy> :)
[20:07] <harushimo> thank you
[20:07] <yoosi> harushimo: you can also use Noobs
[20:07] <harushimo> I was looking at those instructions
[20:07] <yoosi> Noobs can be done that way
[20:07] <yoosi> The OS doesn't install until you boot the Pi
[20:08] <harushimo> It similar to concept of an ISO. you have to burn the iso and its boots
[20:08] <harushimo> correct?
[20:08] <yoosi> Exactly
[20:08] <harushimo> thank you so much
[20:08] <harushimo> It was bugging me
[20:09] <harushimo> sorry I'm really new to raspberry pi. I'm a little excited to use it
[20:09] <yoosi> Don't apologize on IRC help channels ;)
[20:09] <yoosi> It gets old very fast
[20:10] <harushimo> sure
[20:10] <yoosi> :)
[20:10] <yoosi> Do you have a project in mind for your Pi?
[20:10] <harushimo> I do but lets me first get the pi working
[20:10] <harushimo> hehe
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[20:12] <snowkidind> hello LnG
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[20:12] <snowkidind> yet more trying to figure stuff outedness over here
[20:13] <snowkidind> this episode is me writing in C++ but using an IDE on a different computer, connecting to the pi and building from the pi’s make command
[20:13] <snowkidind> managed to pull it off using netbeand
[20:13] <snowkidind> but i cant seem to get my library to link this way
[20:13] <snowkidind> any thoughts?
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[20:21] <Apocx> did you create a makefile on the Pi? does it link to the library?
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[20:26] <snowkidind> thats pretty much the issue
[20:26] <harushimo> burning the img file. Its working
[20:26] <snowkidind> in an ide externally, the makefile is auto generated
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[20:26] <snowkidind> if i am in terminal all is good but not via the remote ide
[20:27] <snowkidind> anyways im taking a break because its frying my brain
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[20:28] <snowkidind> im more interested at this point to see what other pi users are using for an external IDE
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[20:31] <deshipu> vim
[20:32] <gordonDrogon> my non-Pi computers runs the same OS as the Pi - Debian Wheezy (Raspbian on the Pi, obviously)
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[20:32] <gordonDrogon> I use NFS to keep files sane on all platforms, or sometimes rsync.
[20:34] <warpie> I just use the USB port for external HD...
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[20:35] <warpie> in most cases I try to avoid using conventional hard drives on pi's... just use sticks...
[20:36] <snowkidind> man i gave vim the ol college try its just not worth starting all over again
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[20:37] <snowkidind> welp. im at a loss when it comes to linking libraries between pi and an IDE on a seperate machine
[20:37] <snowkidind> the closest i got so far was using netbeans to remotely run make
[20:38] <snowkidind> but it was a brick wall when trying to add a library
[20:38] <snowkidind> (probably because i dont know what im doing)
[20:40] <gordonDrogon> you add -llibraryname to the command-line. e.g. -lwiringPi
[20:40] <gordonDrogon> gcc -o test test.c -lwiringPi -lm -lpthread ...
[20:41] <snowkidind> hum.
[20:42] <snowkidind> will see if netbeans has that as an option next goaround
[20:42] <snowkidind> some people are saying that i can do this with xcode
[20:42] <snowkidind> but i doubt it
[20:42] <gordonDrogon> if you want examples, just fetch the wiringPi source code.
[20:43] <gordonDrogon> its simple enough to understand. the gpio program is an example of a multi-file program that links external libraries ..
[20:43] <snowkidind> im allright with linking the libraries on the pi itself
[20:43] <snowkidind> its doing it from within (any) ide on a separate computer
[20:44] <snowkidind> sort of this, but with libraries: https://netbeans.org/kb/docs/cnd/remotedev-tutorial.html#workflow
[20:45] <snowkidind> (also id rather use something that isnt written in java)
[20:46] <gordonDrogon> hmm...
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[20:47] <snowkidind> I just want all the code completion and syntax / documentation features of an ide. but i have to build on the pi because im using hardware
[20:47] <snowkidind> camera plus gpio
[20:48] <snowkidind> which (i think you referrred me to the library actually) im using opencv for
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[20:50] <Apocx> I use Visual Studio as my IDE
[20:51] <Apocx> It's the only IDE that doesn't suck as far as I'm concerned :)
[20:51] <snowkidind> are you building on a windows box?
[20:52] <Apocx> I program on the Windows box but the Pi does the actual build
[20:52] <snowkidind> right - thats what i want to achieve but macos
[20:52] <snowkidind> how you go about linking a library like that
[20:52] <snowkidind> to get all the documentation to link up etc
[20:53] <Apocx> I have a custom Makefile on the Pi, I don't use one generated by my IDE
[20:53] <snowkidind> so you dont run through the ide
[20:53] <snowkidind> you run via terminal
[20:54] <snowkidind> i can get pseudo-that using bbedit
[20:54] <snowkidind> but not sure if i can link in the docs
[20:54] <Apocx> correct. though I've had it setup through the IDE in the past
[20:54] <Apocx> I forgot what steps exactly I needed
[20:55] <snowkidind> i can see mysself making a lot of pi projects
[20:55] <snowkidind> so if its a pita i may get lazy
[20:56] <Apocx> yeah
[20:56] <snowkidind> isnt the ide just a glorified version of cmake when it comes down to it
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[20:57] <Apocx> The IDE is just a text editor with syntax highlighting when it comes down to it. And it calls the compiler/linker
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[20:58] <snowkidind> but netbeans et al are generating their own make files on the fly every time you compile
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[21:01] <Apocx> true. so netbeans does act like cmake in some way
[21:01] <Apocx> VS can use/generate makefiles as well if configured for it
[21:01] <snowkidind> what im wondering is if i can somehow find an ide that allows you to bypass that
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[21:04] <Apocx> I'm sure it can be configured to do that. I don't really know netbeans though
[21:05] <Apocx> Can you not link your library via netbeans?
[21:05] <Apocx> and use remote deployment ala https://blog.idrsolutions.com/2014/08/using-netbeans-remotely-deploy-projects-raspberry-pi/
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[21:06] <snowkidind> ive gotten that far, its the linking of the libraries that is just beyond reach
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[21:18] <snowkidind> huh i wonder about this: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/15652316/setup-xcode-for-using-external-compiler
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[21:28] <Lyka> no wonder the case was $3
[21:28] <Lyka> it's flipped left-right
[21:29] <Lyka> completely useless
[21:30] <traeak> hmm....i have a super cheap one from dx that works great
[21:30] <Lyka> this model is for the A+
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[21:30] <Lyka> so they probably figure "who cares"
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[21:32] <Lyka> well, i need the a+ cause: a) is uses much less power. b) the zero ain't available anywhere this time of year
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[21:35] <swift110> hey all
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[21:41] <Lyka> they ever gonna make a model 2A?
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[21:43] <CoJaBo> unlikely, it seems
[21:43] <Lyka> guess that's why they still sell the A+
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[21:46] <Lyka> yeah, the A+ is clearly slower than the 2B, but i thought i already knew that
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[21:48] <zwarag> I'm trying to set up the phillips g7000. But when I select "install g7000" I get the message:
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[21:48] <zwarag> For the Odysse 2/Videopac emulator you need to copy o2rom.bin to the folder /home/pi/RetroPie/BIOS.
[21:48] <zwarag> I can't find that o2rom.bin anywhere on the rpi
[21:50] <Lyka> maybe do a search on google for "o2rom.bin"?
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[21:52] <zwarag> Well I did that. tiping that on GOogle is certenly shorter than writing the hole Stuff here :)
[21:53] <Lyka> oh
[21:54] <Lyka> i'd try and help, but i am currently trying to set my own thing up
[21:54] <swift110> how are you guys
[21:55] <zwarag> No Problem Lyka.
[21:55] <zwarag> swift110: fine, how are you doing?
[21:56] <swift110> good zwarag
[21:56] <swift110> what ya up too
[21:56] <zwarag> trying to find o2rom.bin
[21:56] <swift110> oh
[21:56] <zwarag> wan't to make a presend for the dad of my GF
[21:57] <zwarag> he said he played that old thing
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[21:58] <swift110> ]I was considering getting a pi zero
[21:59] <zwarag> What do you plan to do?
[21:59] <swift110> well I am not sure what I want to do
[21:59] <snowkidind> ok i think i figured it out
[21:59] <swift110> maybe a linux weather station
[22:00] <zwarag> thats cool
[22:00] <swift110> yes
[22:00] <zwarag> have you made one allready with a pi1 or 2
[22:00] <snowkidind> if you link to your library on the pi with cmake then you can open the project from existing source in netbeans and it uses your makefile
[22:00] <swift110> Honestly I am intrigued with it because its so inexpensive
[22:00] <swift110> ive never owned a pi before
[22:01] <zwarag> ohh. well pi's are awesome, and the zero is just very cheap
[22:01] <zwarag> do you have expirence with linux?
[22:01] <swift110> yes I do
[22:01] <zwarag> well then give it a try
[22:01] <snowkidind> member:identifier:apocx ^^
[22:01] <Lyka> and therefore the ero is always out of stock
[22:01] <Lyka> *zero
[22:02] <swift110> but i only have hdmi and vga monitors
[22:02] <zwarag> zero works with hdmi
[22:02] <snowkidind> mini hdmi
[22:02] <zwarag> ohh
[22:02] <swift110> i dont have that but how much would an adapter be?
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[22:02] <snowkidind> 100 dollars just for you
[22:03] <zwarag> at least
[22:03] <swift110> oh no
[22:03] <snowkidind> 2.95 and up google mini hdmi adapter
[22:04] <swift110> ok
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[22:20] <Lyka> crap
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[22:21] <Lyka> i think i need to redo the image
[22:21] <Lyka> now, i must find a usb hub lying around, as the A+ only ha one port
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[22:38] <Lyka> ah. easier if i download the installer
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[22:47] <Lyka> so, um...getting the adafruit images and modifying them to fit the screen...
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[22:52] <Lyka> couldn't they have used gzip or xzip to compress the image instead of .zip? i hate having to extract images
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[22:54] <Ispira> i bought a cheapo ling-hao microsd 8gb card today.
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[22:54] <Ispira> do my os dev on it to not wear my main card down
[22:55] <Lyka> they still make 8gb cards?
[22:56] <Ispira> I've seen a 2gb one.
[22:56] <Lyka> so have i, but not on sale
[22:59] <Lyka> for the A+, was using an old 16gb card instead on one of my many unused 32gb cards.
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[23:00] <Lyka> i'll put raspbian for the little screen on the much older 8gb i have, and raspbian for the big screen on the 16gb
[23:02] <Ispira> neet
[23:02] <Ispira> but yeah, cheap little 8gb micro card to do osdev, definitely worth it imo
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[23:12] <Lyka> no, my 8gb is a class 4. not using that, take too long to copy the files over
[23:13] <Lyka> i'll use the 16gb for the A+ with the 2.2" display to figure out how to work it, then redo it as a 32gb
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[23:14] <Lyka> don't want to buy a new class 10 uhs 1 card when i have 18 currently unused 32gb class-10 uhs-1 usd cards
[23:15] <Lyka> *uSD
[23:15] <Lyka> as in microsd
[23:16] <Lyka> don't ask why i have 20 32gb class-10 uhs-1 microsd cards, as i don't like to discuss my insanity
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[23:20] <Berg> why?
[23:21] <Lyka> took longer than i thought
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[23:21] <Berg> i have lots cards dont feel alone
[23:21] <Berg> i was watching a film
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[23:21] <Berg> afk again
[23:21] <Lyka> 16 of them i can not use, as i might need them
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[23:22] <Lyka> i am serious
[23:23] <Lyka> i might need them, therefore i can never use them
[23:23] <Lyka> that is how my mind unfortunately works
[23:24] <Lyka> i have half a dozen "spare" arduinos that will never be touched for the same reason
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[23:25] <Lyka> nobody ever said everyone on the internet was sane
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[23:28] <Lyka> i recognize my problem, but i don't know how to compensate
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[23:30] <Ispira> the 8gb i gotlies about rating
[23:30] <Ispira> i think
[23:30] <Lyka> slower?
[23:31] <Ispira> yeah
[23:31] <Ispira> lemme look up class speeds
[23:31] <Ispira> oh no nevermind,
[23:31] <Ispira> class 10 minimum of 10MB/s
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[23:31] <Ispira> this one is rated for 48MB/s read and "lower"write
[23:32] <Lyka> class 4 = min 4 mbps
[23:32] <Ispira> I assume like 20MB/s at most
[23:32] <Lyka> class 10 = min 10 mpbs
[23:32] <Lyka> *mbps
[23:32] <gordonDrogon> the speed of the Pi is more likely to be the limit than the card (with good quality cards at any rate)
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[23:32] <Ispira> according to google it's Mb not mb
[23:32] <Ispira> MB*
[23:33] <Lyka> mbps / 8 = mb/s
[23:33] <Ispira> yes
[23:33] <gordonDrogon> 20 mega bytes / second is about the best you'll get from what I recall (although I've not benchmarked it for some time)
[23:33] <Ispira> so a class 10 would be 80mbps
[23:33] <Ispira> or 10MB/s
[23:35] <Ispira> anyway, it's plenty for bare-metal os dev.
[23:38] <Lyka> putting the image for the a+ with it's 320x240 display onto the 16gb
[23:38] <Lyka> also copying the wireless config file over
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[23:38] <Lyka> (i use linux on my laptop)
[23:39] <Lyka> that way, i *should* be able to login without a hub
[23:40] <Lyka> usb hub arrives saturday
[23:40] <Lyka> (yeah, that urgent)
[23:40] <Lyka> it's a tiny 2-port
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