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IRC Log for 2016-01-03

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[18:59] * Topic is 'Unofficial RaspberryPi IRC channel but "Blessed" by the Foundation as the ONE channel. | Logs: http://srv.datagutt1.com | Rules: https://goo.gl/h5qPhz'
[18:59] * Set by IT_Sean!~sean@applefritter/IRCStaff on Tue Sep 29 16:49:00 CEST 2015
[18:59] <t3chguy> well I did reply to you on there too :P
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[19:00] <Strelok> Rpi apparently needs you to be registered whereas for arduino I just entered some bullshit name and went with it
[19:00] <Strelok> I saw, thanks for the response :)
[19:00] <Strelok> I was listening to Fork and Knife at the time so I just picked that
[19:00] <Strelok> Final question - as long as I have this Arduino laying around, turning it into a simple synthesizer is probably easier than my drum machine idea, right?
[19:01] <Strelok> I've seen a lot of different builds including people who take flea market keyboards and use them as controllers
[19:01] <buZz> Strelok: possibly, many projects exist that make a synth from a arduino
[19:01] <Strelok> Alright
[19:01] <Strelok> I'll look into some and see what works
[19:01] <buZz> they arent really that fast, so bitrate etc is a bit low
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[19:01] <Strelok> Yeah that's sort of what I expected
[19:01] <buZz> some ppl like that effect :)
[19:01] <Strelok> Haha
[19:01] <Strelok> I like the whole lo-fi vibe from it so I can get behind that
[19:01] <Strelok> Thanks for the help!
[19:02] <buZz> welcome :)
[19:02] <buZz> there is #dataflow to talk about puredata, fyi
[19:02] <Strelok> I'll look into that too
[19:02] <buZz> not as busy as here ;)
[19:03] <Strelok> haha
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[19:06] <samskiter> hi. does anyone know about the rpi cam MMAL interface and whether it is possible to read the AWB gains? i.e. is it possible to write a raspicamcontrol_get_awb_gains function?
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[19:27] <karnaa> Hi Friends
[19:28] <karnaa> I have a question regarding Raspberrypi, if I provide uninterrupted power to raspberrypi how long it can run without rebooting ?
[19:28] <ktwo> well i guess it depends if you get it to crash
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[19:29] <ktwo> i have 68days uptime on one XD
[19:30] <karnaa> I was thinking of using raspberry pi as a low end computer to be on all the time
[19:30] <karnaa> that is nice to know! :)
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[19:31] <karnaa> Is it a good idea to use it in school as a low end desktop computer with Linux to browse internet?
[19:31] <karnaa> many schools in Indian villages can not afford computers, atleast they will have low end machine
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[19:32] <ktwo> I dont see why not
[19:32] <Strelok> raspberry pi doesn't have wifi built in so you would need an ethernet cable for every machine, wouldn't you?
[19:32] <Strelok> Or an adapter
[19:34] <karnaa> oh ok. I think that wont be a problem, one computer in each school, students can be allotted time slots to access internet
[19:34] <heller_> to make an ambient light, which is better, bright or red led?
[19:34] <heller_> its for a hallway just to see how to come home
[19:34] <heller_> not really a thing for lights
[19:34] <legg> It will work great if they have no prior experience. I switched a 10 year old from a desktop computer to a Rpi2b and he complained it was too slow
[19:35] <legg> A lot of things don't work on the web like flash games
[19:35] <t3chguy> heller_: red, as it doesn't impact your night vision
[19:36] <ktwo> and it will look like a brothel XD
[19:36] <heller_> t3chguy: thats why i was asking hmm..
[19:36] <pksato> karnaa: https://www.raspberrypi.org/blog/exploring-computing-education-in-rural-schools-in-india/
[19:36] <t3chguy> heller_: basically with red, you'll naturally see the surrounding more than with other colours
[19:37] <heller_> red it will be then
[19:37] <t3chguy> that makes me wonder, why Exit signs are Green
[19:37] <t3chguy> hmmmm
[19:37] <karnaa> pksato thanks for the link
[19:38] <t3chguy> well, in US and CA they have to be Red or Green, wikipedia claims mostly Red. But most images seem to show a man running out of a door in green
[19:38] <karnaa> legg I understand, but yeah many dont have prior experience working on desktop so I guess its ok to get them started
[19:41] <cfelectro> red doesnt affect your nightvison in the dark
[19:41] <t3chguy> cfelectro: thats what I said
[19:41] <t3chguy> "18:35:59 t3chguy ‖ heller_: red, as it doesn't impact your night vision"
[19:41] <cfelectro> oh sorry
[19:41] <t3chguy> :P
[19:41] <t3chguy> no worries
[19:41] <t3chguy> still makes me wonder why most pictogram exit signs are green-lit
[19:41] <t3chguy> I guess they trust their emergency lighting or something
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[19:44] <karnaa> pksato the link you shared talks about the efforts of the cambridge team teaching electronics tinkering, may be they just went to urban schools not rural schools, rural schools need information more than electronics tinkering as they can not afford to buy electronics stuff, so first level is to teach them how to use computer and then to find info on internet
[19:45] <pksato> karnaa: or this https://www.raspberrypi.org/blog/bringing-computing-to-rural-cameroon/
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[19:47] <karnaa> thanks indeed great stuff
[19:47] <pksato> are only few exemples, are lot of projects using RPi on schools, at all levels. From desktop computers to teaching,
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[19:48] <karnaa> hmm. I will put them to test after I visit India,
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[19:50] <pksato> one problem is that need a HDMI input monitor.
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[19:51] <B0g4r7> Do the new Pis still have composite video?
[19:51] <pksato> B0g4r7: yes. have.
[19:52] <t3chguy> even the Pi Zero has composite video
[19:52] <karnaa> from the article you shared I guess we can use hdmi to dvi converters and use normal monitors
[19:52] <t3chguy> so you could always just get an old TV :P
[19:52] <t3chguy> there are HDMI to VGA adapters too I believe, though they'll most likely be active rather than passive
[19:52] <pksato> but, composite video resolution os poor to view at short distance.
[19:52] <t3chguy> pksato: they're poor at any distance xD
[19:54] <pksato> hdmi to dvi is just a cable with appropriate connectors.
[19:55] <pksato> hdmi to vga need to be a ative converter. Cost from $5 to >$100.
[19:55] <karnaa> oh ok
[19:55] <pksato> and, have gertsVGA
[19:56] <karnaa> modern monitors might come with hdmi ports as well I guess
[19:56] <pksato> https://www.raspberrypi.org/blog/gert-vga-adapter/
[19:57] <pksato> most low cost monitor have only VGA.
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[19:58] <karnaa> gert vga adapter sounds promising
[19:58] <pksato> hdmi have licence fee. few cents.
[19:59] <t3chguy> pksato: I did just say that
[20:00] <pksato> also, have HDCP licence.
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[20:04] <t3chguy> btw https://www.pi-supply.com/product/gert-vga-666-hardware-vga-raspberry-pi/?v=79cba1185463
[20:04] <t3chguy> its actually three times the price he estimated
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[20:06] <pksato> PCBs cost a lot.
[20:07] <ozzzy> the place we use in Malaysia costs about 98 for 100 sq in
[20:07] <ozzzy> double sided
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[20:12] <pksato> and DPI can direct connect to some LCD panels.
[20:13] <t3chguy> pksato: DPI, isn't it DSI?
[20:13] <t3chguy> i.e http://raspi.tv/2015/new-official-raspberry-pi-dsi-screen-launches
[20:13] <pksato> no, Display Parallel Interface
[20:14] <pksato> gerts vga uses DPI port.
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[20:15] <karnaa> oh ok
[20:15] <gordonDrogon> gerts VGA uses the GPIO port.
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[20:15] <jancoow> mm... i'm looking for a site where you can ask designers to design avatars or other graphical content.. but can't remember the name of the website
[20:15] <jancoow> someone an idea?
[20:15] <Jesperhead> seems a little excessive to be an official display
[20:15] <jancoow> (and pay them )
[20:16] <pksato> DSI or Display Serial Interface is more complex to connect to panel.
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[20:16] <Jesperhead> jancoow: there are quite a few of them... some dedicated to specific types of art, others to 3d modeling... can you be more specific?
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[20:17] <t3chguy> pksato: Gerts VGA doesn't use DPI or DSI
[20:17] <jancoow> Jesperhead: was looking for someone who can create a avatar like https://idesignconsulting.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/Tom_Avatar.png
[20:17] <t3chguy> it simply uses the GPIO pins, all but 6 of them
[20:17] <jancoow> Jesperhead: so 2d graphics
[20:17] <pksato> Is DPI.
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[20:18] <jancoow> Jesperhead: i can remember a site with a lot of different designers but i can't remember it .. :(
[20:18] <t3chguy> it uses a bit-banged DPI, yes
[20:18] <t3chguy> but not a true DPI
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[20:18] <gordonDrogon> there is no dedicated 'dpi' port on the Pi. It's all done in software in the GPU via a passice r, 2r... resistor ladders on the interface board itself.
[20:18] <gordonDrogon> *passive ...
[20:18] <Jesperhead> nothing jumps to my mind in particualr. sorry jancoow. might be worth posting on elance though
[20:19] <gordonDrogon> I'e got one here somewhere... one day I might connect it up too...
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[20:19] <Jesperhead> maybe guru.com?
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[20:20] <jancoow> Jesperhead: mm thanks anyways for helping
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[20:24] <pksato> My fisrt assumption are that gerts VGA use software bit-bang, but some one correct me that is done by GPU, gpio pins are just redirected. Like other functions.
[20:24] <jancoow> Jesperhead: yeah it was kinda like guru.com. But it was more "$9 dollars for 1 avatar" or something, and then someone draw you from a picture and creates something cools
[20:24] <gordonDrogon> one mans firmware is another mans software...
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[20:27] <karnaa> Jancoow : I can design
[20:27] <karnaa> I work in web industry
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[21:04] <seaking> hi, wondering this could be used for the rasp's " https://duckduckgo.com/?t=lm&q=motherboard+speaker&iax=1&ia=images&iai=https%3A%2F%2Fvirtuabotix-virtuabotixllc.netdna-ssl.com%2Fcore%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2013%2F05%2Fmic-2.jpg "
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[21:07] <gordonDrogon> seaking, possibly. You may be able to connect it to the PWM output and make it been & squawk.
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[21:10] <jancoow> karnaa: nice
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[21:24] <JakeSays> hey any chance there's someone in here who is in indiana?
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[21:29] <dreamon_> hello. want to start this one as root in boottime → "screen -dmS pi; screen -S pi -X screen /home/pi/C-Heizung2013/heizpi" → where can I enter it, to do it?
[21:30] <Encrypt> Something like rc.local
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[21:30] <Encrypt> dreamon_, https://www.raspberrypi.org/documentation/linux/usage/rc-local.md
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[21:32] <dreamon_> Encrypt, Thank you!
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[21:39] <dreamon_> Encrypt, hmm.. it didnt worked. may it be possible that screen need a terminal to start screen? or system is not booted enough to let ist start
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[21:39] <dreamon_> If I do my comand in a ssh terminalsession it works fine
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[22:08] <USBGuy> HEllo
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[22:09] <USBGuy> I want to get the be able to access data on a USB plugged into my raspberry pi 2 from a C++ program. How can I do this?
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[22:11] <Lyka> USBGuy: hi. i don't know C++ that well, but, if the usb drive is mounted properly, it should be like reading data from any other file
[22:12] <Lyka> i assume you mean "USB Drive"
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[22:22] <USBGuy> Lyka: Yes USB Drive. Do you know what to do in order to setup up a USB to use accessed like on windows?
[22:23] <deshipu> USBGuy: you need to mount it and then you just have all the files in the directory in which you mounted it
[22:24] <deshipu> USBGuy: you can setup it to auto-mount, ask google how
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[22:28] <USBGuy> Google: Screen reader users, click here to turn off Google Instant. GameGrape Google About 667,000,000 results (0.49 seconds) Search Results Automount mini-Howto: Configuration tldp.org/HOWTO/Automount-4.html Linux Documentation Project There are two files in /etc, one called auto.master and one called auto.misc . ... It's where the set of mount points (found in the second entry) are going to be. 19.3.2. autofs Config
[22:28] <USBGuy> That is what google says
[22:29] <USBGuy> This is first article: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Automount-4.html
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[22:29] <USBGuy> So
[22:29] <USBGuy> For the automounting stuff
[22:30] <USBGuy> Is the raspierry pi auto mounting drives by default?
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[22:30] <USBGuy> *raspberry pi
[22:30] <USBGuy> I am using the Raspberry Pi 2 By The Way
[22:31] <USBGuy> I heard people saying that it is auto mounting
[22:31] <USBGuy> Should I mount try to mount it myself with my program?
[22:31] <USBGuy> That way then I would be safe in case it isn't mounted
[22:31] <USBGuy> or am I doing it all wrong?
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[22:32] <USBGuy> Alright
[22:33] <USBGuy> I found out about the fdisk -l command
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[22:33] <USBGuy> on my pi it isn't running it succesfully. It want's a drive
[22:33] <USBGuy> What I would like to do is see ALL the devices
[22:34] <USBGuy> then from that could I se my USB?
[22:34] <USBGuy> *see
[22:34] <USBGuy> USB Drive
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[22:34] <USBGuy> It's just plugged into the USB port.
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[22:35] <USBGuy> Also is there a way I could determine the USB Plugged in device?
[22:35] <USBGuy> I would like to get apath to it everytime one is plugged in.
[22:36] <gordonDrogon> USBGuy, woa...
[22:36] <gordonDrogon> look - why not just plug in a USB drive and see what happens?
[22:36] <USBGuy> On windows they have a way to identify drives and such. I don't on the Pi
[22:36] <USBGuy> gordonDrogon: It works like on Windows. I need to access it though. I don't know how to access it. On windows they have letter drives and such
[22:36] <gordonDrogon> Linux/Unix doesn't have "drives" as such. It has mount points. removable drives just appear like parts of the filesystem...
[22:37] <USBGuy> gordonDrogon: Yeah I read about that. they are under /dev/sd[LETTER] or something like that
[22:37] <gordonDrogon> no
[22:37] <USBGuy> Oh
[22:37] <gordonDrogon> you're now confusing the physican device with the mounted filesystem.
[22:37] <USBGuy> Google lied to me agani :/
[22:37] <USBGuy> *again
[22:38] <gordonDrogon> google was right - you just didn't search for the right thing.
[22:38] <USBGuy> Oh I see
[22:38] <gordonDrogon> the first thing to work out is if the Pi actually automounts. Mine don't.
[22:38] <USBGuy> gordonDrogon: Could I just always mount it?
[22:38] <gordonDrogon> they may automount if you're running a GUI though.
[22:38] <gordonDrogon> yes, you can manually mount it.
[22:39] <USBGuy> gordonDrogon: I am using the startx LXPanel or something like that
[22:39] <gordonDrogon> to see if it automounts, check /proc/partitions (cat /proc/partitions) then plug in the drive, wait a few seconds, then check again.
[22:40] <USBGuy> gordonDrogon: I don't have an Keyboard at the moment
[22:40] <gordonDrogon> then check the mounted filesystems: df -h is probably the easiest.
[22:40] <USBGuy> gordonDrogon: So I am trying to piece together a script
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[22:41] <USBGuy> So unfortunately right now I can't type into terminal :/
[22:41] <gordonDrogon> how are you writing the script without a keyboard?
[22:41] <USBGuy> I have a laptop
[22:42] <gordonDrogon> what's that running?
[22:42] <USBGuy> I will have to get a new keyboard soon
[22:42] <USBGuy> Windows 8.1 64-bit
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[22:42] <gordonDrogon> ok - if the Pi is on your LAN then you can SSH into it - you'll need to install a program called putty on the laptop.
[22:42] <USBGuy> I have Debian VM installed
[22:42] <USBGuy> With a share folder
[22:42] <USBGuy> so I can get things in and out
[22:43] <USBGuy> from Debian to Windows and vise versa
[22:43] <gordonDrogon> from your debian VM can you ping/ssh into the Pi?
[22:44] <USBGuy> No, it's not setup to anything
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[22:47] <gordonDrogon> well it might be the easiest way to connect to the Pi - if you can get the VN and Pi talking to each other via your LAN you can use SSH, etc.
[22:47] <USBGuy> gordonDrogon: Just finished installing PuTTY
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[22:49] <gordonDrogon> you'll need to know the Pi's IP address to connect to it.
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[22:49] <USBGuy> gordonDrogon: Can I use the ethernet to my PC?
[22:50] <USBGuy> gordonDrogon: I don't have the wifi dongle
[22:51] <gordonDrogon> Basically you need to get your Pi on your LAN - either hardwired via Ethernet or via Wi-Fi. Ethernet is the easiest and Raspbian is designed to work like that out of the box. There are plenty of online turotials to get you going like this - you'll need to start looking for them - start on the pi foundations own website.
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[23:39] <christina> Hello (:
[23:39] <snowkidind> good day
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[23:40] <christina> Hey snowkidind
[23:40] <christina> Could someone help me??
[23:40] <snowkidind> what fits your fancy
[23:40] <Encrypt> christina, Don't ask to ask, just ask!
[23:41] <christina> Oh alright, this is my first time on here
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[23:41] <Berg> welcome to irc for raspberry
[23:42] <legg> Welcome
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[23:42] <legg> Welcome christina
[23:42] <legg> How can we help?
[23:42] <Encrypt> Welcome on the fabulous world of IRC \o/
[23:43] <Encrypt> "Welcome to" probably (<.<)
[23:43] <Encrypt> It's almost midnight here, I can feel it x)
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[23:44] <christina> snowkidind, I am trying to setup something for my daughter. We brought her a raspberry pi for Christmas. She likes to play and tinker with things and she wanted a computer. We wanted to get her something she can play with and stuff use so we got her a raspberry pi
[23:44] <snowkidind> which one
[23:45] <christina> Berg, legg, and Encrypt thank you! :3
[23:45] <christina> snowkidind, umm... I think it was the second one or something
[23:45] <Hammered|> Encrypt: Nice 2001 reference...
[23:45] <snowkidind> zero, B, B+?
[23:46] <christina> legg, I think it was the second one
[23:46] <fluffet> probably Raspberrypi 2 then :D
[23:46] <christina> snowkidind: it was like a green square with things on it
[23:46] <Encrypt> Hammered|, If there is a reference, that was purely unintentional x)
[23:46] <Hammered|> lol
[23:46] <snowkidind> so do you have all the cables you need>
[23:47] <christina> snowkidind, it has 4 ports on the side
[23:47] <Encrypt> christina, I'm afraid most of them are green squares :x
[23:47] <Hammered|> Encrypt: Stop Dave - I can feel it...
[23:47] <christina> fluffet, Yes! that is it! I remember now
[23:47] <Encrypt> christina, Right, Raspberry Pi 2 then :)
[23:47] <snowkidind> member:christina anyone here may help with this conversation
[23:47] <Encrypt> christina, Let me think... you're trying to install the operating system? :D
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[23:48] <christina> snowkidind, she is trying to get her phone working
[23:48] <christina> i will brb
[23:48] <Encrypt> Hum
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[23:51] <Hammered|> christina: Can you describe what the Pi came with? Was it a kit? What parts does it have?
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[23:53] <fluffet> It's important because you need a microSD card, power adapter (any microUSB cell charger will do) and a HDMI cable + keyboard before you can do anything :p
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