#raspberrypi IRC Log


IRC Log for 2016-01-04

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[0:03] <Hammered|> christina: Holy cow phone + a Pi, all in the same evening...
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[0:11] <christina> Hello I am back
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[0:11] <Hammered|> christina: What parts of the Pi do you have?
[0:12] <christina> Hammered|: It just came with the pi I got it from some website online
[0:12] <Hammered|> You have the link>
[0:12] <Hammered|> ?
[0:13] <christina> Hammered|: I will check brb
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[0:13] <Hammered|> As fluffet said, it needs more parts than just the Pi.
[0:13] <Hammered|> What do you have?
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[0:15] <christina> I brought it from adafruit.com
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[0:17] <christina> My daughter is trying to get her phone to work with it. When she plugs it in nothing happens. I guess the pi is not working or something?? Did I get a bad one?
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[0:17] <kookie> not likely
[0:18] <kookie> you should have gotten the Cano Kit one
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[0:18] <fluffet> what do you mean, plug her phone in?
[0:18] <Hammered|> christina: I think you have the wrong idea on what the Pi is.
[0:18] <kookie> comes with everything but monitor, mouse, and kybd
[0:18] <christina> A friend told me that i can mount or something? I don't know what that is. What does that mean? I thought you just plug the phone in
[0:19] <snowkidind> the raspberry pi is a small computer but it only runs an operating system called rasbpian that has to be installed before you can do anything with it. You also need to put this on a microSd card that installs on the bottom side of the card.
[0:19] <christina> Hammered|: Maybe
[0:19] <snowkidind> you need to initialize the microsd with some card reader from another machine and then install from the NOOBs software on the site.
[0:20] <Hammered|> Slow down guys...
[0:20] <fluffet> yeah, slow down :p
[0:20] <fluffet> christina: what are you trying to do exactly? then we might be able to tell you what you want to do, or if it's possible at all
[0:20] <christina> snowkidind: Hey, do you know how I can "mount" the thing? my friend said to use a "USB Stick" I have a pen drive so that xhould work . They said to find out how to mount it
[0:20] <snowkidind> nope
[0:21] <snowkidind> get a micro sd card. best way is to use a reader so you can put that together on another computer
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[0:21] <fluffet> well, mounting has nothing to do with this context
[0:21] <fluffet> mounting an usb stick is the same as plugging it into a windows pc, you can access the files on it
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[0:22] <Hammered|> christina: I think what your friend was describing would be the other way around. The Pi might be able to "Mount" the phone as a dirve.
[0:22] <snowkidind> they sell microSD’s with rasbpian preinstalled
[0:22] <sbp> *raspbian
[0:22] <snowkidind> ^
[0:22] <christina> snowkidind, my daughter really want's this but i don't have any more money right now :( there has to be some way i can "mount" at least a pen drive
[0:22] <snowkidind> you need a microsd
[0:22] <sbp> I say this because "rasbpian" highlights me :-)
[0:22] <snowkidind> its not gonna do anything without that. steal one from an old camera
[0:22] <christina> Hammered|: I will try anything, Do you know how to do that? (:
[0:23] <Hammered|> christina: We really NEED to know what you have exactly.
[0:23] <fluffet> christina: you are like 50 steps away from being able to mount anything -- first off, you can't even power the pi!
[0:23] <snowkidind> https://www.raspberrypi.org/downloads/noobs/
[0:23] <christina> snowkidind, sorry I don't have any :(
[0:24] <snowkidind> it is necessary to move forward.
[0:24] <snowkidind> you can power it with a phone charger
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[0:24] <christina> fluffet: My pi is powered, and it has the little raspberry in the middle of the screen
[0:24] <fluffet> okay, so if you can do that, then you already have a hdmi cable and a powered raspberry pi
[0:24] <christina> snowkidind: I am using a phone charger
[0:24] <Hammered|> I have do idea what to say.
[0:25] <fluffet> me neither
[0:25] <christina> fluffet: yes that is what we have
[0:25] <fluffet> i want to help but i am just confused :p
[0:25] <christina> Hammered| aw :(
[0:25] <fluffet> okay, did you stick anything into the raspberry pi before powering it and plugging it in?
[0:25] <snowkidind> wow
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[0:26] <christina> fluffet: no, we just have the charger and the hdmi and the keyboard and mouse plugged in
[0:26] <fluffet> okay, let us clear up a few things then
[0:26] <fluffet> 1. mounting is not what you think it is
[0:26] <snowkidind> Is there an sd card inserted in the bottom of the pi?
[0:27] <christina> snowkidind, yes
[0:27] <christina> fluffet: ok
[0:27] <snowkidind> ok whatever i said before is not true
[0:27] <fluffet> but then you plugged something in!
[0:27] <Hammered|> snowkidind fluffet Let finish.
[0:27] <fluffet> argh, sorry, i can't help you, i am just very confused
[0:27] <snowkidind> yoda, yes
[0:28] <christina> fluffet: it's alright I am too, thanks for your help!
[0:29] <snowkidind> so do you have a keyboard and mouse hooked up to it?
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[0:29] <christina> snowkidind: yea
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[0:30] <snowkidind> so what exactly are you trying to do?
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[0:31] <pksato> If I understand, christina wish to access some file on usb storage (pendrive), and have a working rpi, plug drive on one of usb adn access file manager called pcmanfm, on some place have a option to mount. I not recall exact location.
[0:31] <christina> snowkidind: what pksato said ^^
[0:32] <christina> pksato: I don't have internet on the pi. I really want to mount
[0:32] <fluffet> yeah we went from "i only have a green chip, no accessories" to a pi with raspbian on the sd card, keyboard, mouse and plugged in monitor pretty fast :p
[0:32] <snowkidind> ikr
[0:33] <Hammered|> Yeah.
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[0:33] <pksato> not need internet.
[0:33] <christina> fluffet I thought you were asking about what it looks like when i got it. sorry i'm new to all this :(
[0:33] <fluffet> yeah no problem
[0:33] <pksato> assuming that have a controllable raspiberry pi (keyboard, mouse, monitor)
[0:34] <Hammered|> We all know what it looks like, or we wouldn't be here.
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[0:34] <mlelstv> http://www.raspberrypi-spy.co.uk/2014/05/how-to-mount-a-usb-flash-disk-on-the-raspberry-pi/
[0:34] <christina> pksato I don't want to get any viruses
[0:34] <fluffet> well that's easy, you aren't connected to the internet
[0:35] <fluffet> and you know what's on the thumb drive, so
[0:35] <pksato> christina: not worry, RPi not get virus easy. Even, I not know any virus or similar to rpi.
[0:35] <fluffet> me neither
[0:36] <christina> fluffet from getting programs, my windows xp is full of viruses :'o
[0:36] <snowkidind> 1. click on the file cabinet icon at the top. 2. Go Menu -> Devices 3. Double click on whatever USB you plugged in.
[0:37] <christina> pksato: I don't want take any chances as mess something up, and i don't want her on the internet on it anyway
[0:37] <Hammered|> christina: fluffet: If you wre afraid of viruses, you sure as hell wouldn't be usingIRC!
[0:37] <fluffet> i use irc on my pi :D
[0:38] <snowkidind> christina, raspberry pi is a little bit different than windows. It is designed for people that work on Linux systems, like the IT guys at a big business
[0:38] <fluffet> can you really transmit viruses over IRC?
[0:38] <Hammered|> Yes,
[0:39] <snowkidind> If your kid is used to windows, this is going to have quite a learning curve at the beginning but will reap great rewards if she sticks with it.
[0:39] <christina> snowkidind she plays minecraft, can I make something she can double click so it just works "mounts" it?
[0:39] <Hammered|> Especially if you allow DCC.
[0:39] <pksato> christina: not worry. Virus are prague only on windows machines. Raspberry Pi use linux and other secure sistems.
[0:39] <snowkidind> it mounts when you plug it in
[0:39] <christina> snowkidind oh cool
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[0:40] <snowkidind> just do what i said earlier
[0:40] <pksato> christina: this video may be can help https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aQPowQJodIE
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[0:41] <snowkidind> http://snowkidind.com/tmp/11.jpg
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[0:42] <Hammered|> Dude that's just wrong.
[0:42] <snowkidind> lol oops wrong window
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[0:43] <Hammered|> Is that w white meat sandwich?
[0:43] <christina> :o
[0:44] <snowkidind> pumpernickel apparently
[0:44] <Hammered|> :-)
[0:46] <christina> does anyone have a" "script" for "mounting" a usb drive and setting a symlink to it and put it on the desktop"? That's what my friend told me to ask
[0:46] <Hammered|> Whow..we went from nothing to this>
[0:47] <fluffet> Yeah.. :p
[0:47] <pksato> christina: use file manager
[0:47] <christina> Hammered|: My friend told me to ask that, they said it willlet me get to the pen drive
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[0:47] <pksato> some people make simple task very dificult.
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[0:48] <fluffet> yeah :p
[0:48] <Hammered|> Fine install and turn on automount
[0:48] <Hammered|> Done.
[0:49] <christina> pksato: I'm sorry :( I really would like to do it with the script thngy, if i can do that my daughter will be able to get to the pen drive
[0:49] <snowkidind> later squirrels, i need to bathe
[0:49] <fluffet> christina: to clarify, a symlink is a shortcut. basically what your friend said is create a shortcut to the usb drive on the desktop
[0:49] <fluffet> you can just use the file manager for that
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[0:49] <christina> fluffet: Oh the shortcut shoulds great :-) then she will be able to just double click and open her pen drive stuff
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[0:50] <pksato> raspberry pi dekstop are very simple, dont have shortlinks like ones on windows.
[0:51] <pksato> and, symlink is not same as short links (or icons on dekstop)
[0:51] <christina> fluffet can we please use the script? and then my daughter can learn from it, please i don't know this stuff. i will then be out of your way.please!
[0:52] <fluffet> i don't have a script; there is no need for one
[0:53] <Hammered|> At command prompt what is displayed for flash drive?
[0:53] <christina> aw :( anyone else have one?? i really need it
[0:53] <christina> Hammered| how do i check?
[0:53] <fluffet> actually does the pi automount?
[0:53] <pksato> christina: no one use scripts to mount/access pendrive.
[0:53] <Hammered|> "/dev/sdb"
[0:54] <Hammered|> I guessing.
[0:54] <christina> fluffet: i don't think so, i can't to the pen drive
[0:54] <Hammered|> Open a terminal windows.
[0:55] <Hammered|> type
[0:55] <Hammered|> fdisk -l
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[0:55] <christina> pksato: my friend says that a "script" should get it to work since it is not "auto-mounting"
[0:55] <pksato> plug and open file manager
[0:55] <Hammered|> Look for the pendrive the = about the size of the jump drive.
[0:56] <fluffet> Hammered| you need sudo for fdisk :p
[0:56] <pksato> christina: that have on pendrive that need to access?
[0:57] <fluffet> at least i do when i try it atm
[0:57] <christina> Hammered|: so "fdisk -l" what does that mean
[0:57] <christina> pksato: yes i do :)
[0:57] <Hammered|> Oh crap I did sudo su - a long time ago.
[0:59] <Hammered|> It will list all the disks on your system. The first one the card should be /dev/sda, the jump drive sould be /dev/sdb
[1:00] <Hammered|> Crap I for got...Stupid Debian...something more like
[1:00] <Hammered|> "/dev/mmcblk0p2"
[1:02] <christina> Hammered|: thanks! Where do I place that? I know how to make a txt file in WIndows, can I do something like that?
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[1:02] <fluffet> christina: i am going to try to help you
[1:02] <fluffet> what i want to do is completely untested
[1:02] <fluffet> but it might work, and then that will save all your trouble
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[1:03] <Hammered|> Actually I just hooked up a jump drive and it does come up /dev/sda1
[1:03] <fluffet> click anywhere on the desktop (why not the raspberry logo), press Ctrl-Alt-T
[1:03] <fluffet> that will open a terminal window
[1:03] <fluffet> sudo mount /dev/sdb1 /mnt/usb && ln -s -t /mnt/usb ~/Desktop/usbdrive
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[1:03] <fluffet> if you write that, it might work and create a shortcut on your desktop. i can't test it myself
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[1:04] <christina> fluffet: I will try that :)
[1:04] <fluffet> if it throws back any errors write them here
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[1:05] <fluffet> you are going to be prompted for password because the mount command requires higher access
[1:05] <fluffet> don
[1:05] <fluffet> 't worry about that
[1:10] <fluffet> it's just going to say /mnt/usb/ doesn't exist i guess
[1:11] <fluffet> i assumed that directory would be there, it's not, so it's not going to work :(
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[1:18] <christina> fluffet: I tried "fdisk -l" but nothing happened
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[1:20] <Hammered|> Try:
[1:21] <Hammered|> sudo fdisk -l
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[1:23] <christina> ok
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[1:30] <christina> Alright I have the fdisk thing showing stuff
[1:31] <christina> What do I do now
[1:31] <Darell> gordonDrogon can help you out with that ive seen around all over the internet he knows his stuff christina
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[1:33] <christina> Darell oh really? Thanks for the tip! gordonDrogon can you help me please?
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[1:50] <ali1234> i've finally got the display working properly: https://goo.gl/photos/TBUXLW3SANoWS6Eq7
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[1:50] <ali1234> had to add a 5V booster between the GPIO "5V" output and the USB input on the pi
[1:51] <mlelstv> https://goo.gl/photos/TBUXLW3SANoWS6Eq7
[1:51] <mlelstv> oops
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[1:51] <ali1234> and glue the display back together
[1:51] <ali1234> and put in a piece of silicone to make it fit together properly
[1:52] <Hammered|> Is that Pi 1
[1:52] <ali1234> no
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[1:55] <jrcharney> I've wasted the entire day trying to get RetroPie installed. Now MAME is taking forever. I've compiled software from source on a Raspberry Pi 2 before, and it has NEVER been this slow. Updating rasp-config took HOURS instead of seconds. Do you think I have a bad SD Card?
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[1:55] <Hammered|> What am I looking at exactly?
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[1:56] <Hammered|> It's easy enough to swap cards and try.
[1:56] <Xark> jrcharney: See if hdparm -Tt shows anything suspiciously slow.
[1:57] <jrcharney> Xark: There is no program called hdparam
[1:58] <fluffet> jrcharney: you have a typo :p
[1:59] <Xark> jrcharney: Well, you may not have it installed.
[1:59] <jrcharney> I can do everything else via SSH really fast on that while all this nonsense is going on but RetroPie's port of MAME doesn't seem to use binaries when it is supposed to. Heck, I don't see any apt-get commands in htop
[2:00] <jrcharney> fluffet Xark: even with a correction of spelling, no hdparm aqui.
[2:00] <fluffet> that's strange, i have it
[2:00] <jrcharney> I'll have to download it
[2:01] <Xark> jrcharney: Actually, works for me out of the box on Raspbian Jessie -> "hdparm -Tt /dev/mmcblk0"
[2:01] <Hammered|> I don't have it on a B+
[2:01] * Xark notes his speed (on SanDisk Ultra 16GB) is Timing buffered disk reads: 54 MB in 3.03 seconds = 17.85 MB/sec
[2:02] <jrcharney> This is the Jessie port. I chose to do that because Raspbian is now stable jessie and I have a feeling Retropie's Jessie will be in stable very soon. The beta works well. The install just sucks.
[2:02] <exobuzz> there have been no jessie specific retropie bugs reported since beta releae
[2:03] <exobuzz> release
[2:03] <jrcharney> I'd hate to see what the shell scripts lookk like
[2:03] <exobuzz> probably will ditch wheezy for the next version
[2:03] <jrcharney> I agree, exobuzz
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[2:04] <ali1234> the jessie kernel is a bit crashy with the official wireless
[2:04] <exobuzz> jrcharney, why are you building from source ?
[2:04] <jrcharney> I've never had that problem either.
[2:04] <jrcharney> I'm NOT building from source
[2:04] <exobuzz> how are you installing ? via full binary install ?
[2:05] <ali1234> https://github.com/raspberrypi/linux/issues/1234
[2:05] <jrcharney> It should be full binary. I though I set it up like that.
[2:05] <exobuzz> we have download speed throttled, but if the server is busy it can take longer than it should.
[2:05] <exobuzz> where are you now in the install ?
[2:06] <jrcharney> mame4all/clrmame.dat
[2:06] <jrcharney> It's not source. If it was, there'd be all sorts of GCC crap everywhere
[2:06] <exobuzz> mame4all is one of the earlier packages to install. maybe a networking issue or something
[2:06] <exobuzz> so you are installing on top of raspbian jessie set up ? or you started from the image ?
[2:07] <jrcharney> retropie image
[2:07] <jrcharney> downloaded it from a torrent last night
[2:07] <exobuzz> then why are you doing the binary install ? it's ready to go
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[2:07] <jrcharney> Burned it to a new 64GB class 10/U-1 MicroSD card
[2:08] <exobuzz> the only binary to be updated since the last image is retroarch - so no point updating everything
[2:08] <jrcharney> Retroarch comes with RetroPie. MAME doesn't
[2:08] <exobuzz> yes it does
[2:08] <jrcharney> Should I abort?
[2:09] <exobuzz> i would.
[2:09] <exobuzz> retropie ships with lots of version of mame
[2:09] <jrcharney> After I abort, is there anything spacific I need to delete?
[2:09] <exobuzz> nope, but you might want to just rewrite the image and start again in case something has gone wrong
[2:09] <exobuzz> https://github.com/RetroPie/RetroPie-Setup/wiki/mame
[2:09] <jrcharney> exobuzz: I still need to install muppen. I want to do some N64 stuff. I know everyone says "that's impossible"
[2:10] <exobuzz> do you mean mupen64plus ?
[2:10] <jrcharney> yeah
[2:10] <jrcharney> that's what I meant
[2:10] <exobuzz> retropie ships with mupen64plus and the libretro core version
[2:10] <jrcharney> exobuzz: do you use this?
[2:10] <exobuzz> did you read any of the documentation ? :)
[2:10] <jrcharney> Yeah.
[2:11] <exobuzz> I am the main retropie dev
[2:11] <ali1234> n64 works for me
[2:11] <jrcharney> ah
[2:11] <jrcharney> OK
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[2:11] <ali1234> use PAL roms, they run at 50Hz
[2:11] <exobuzz> n64 can be a little slow for some stuff, but it does work. there is a spreadsheet with some compatibility stuff and more info on the wiki
[2:11] <ali1234> seems to be easier on the CPU
[2:12] <jrcharney> I guess I'll need to start over from scratch again. It's going to be a bitch reformatting that 64GB card.
[2:12] <exobuzz> https://github.com/RetroPie/RetroPie-Setup/wiki/Nintendo-64
[2:12] <exobuzz> you dont need to reformat
[2:12] <USBGuy> Hello,
[2:12] <USBGuy> Is the first plugged in device Always SDA1?
[2:13] <jrcharney> "I have wasted my time. And now, time doth waste me." Oh the things I could have done today had this wretched microSD card not been the bane of my problems.
[2:13] <jrcharney> Time to start over...again. :-/
[2:13] <ali1234> exobuzz: how do i fix emulators that have big black borders all around such as mupen?
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[2:14] <exobuzz> change the output plugin (some dont scale), if you have to use one that doesnt scale (due to compatibility) you can switch screenmode from the pre-launch menu - https://github.com/RetroPie/RetroPie-Setup/wiki/runcommand
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[2:15] <exobuzz> other emulators may be different. if you want retroarch to not have any borders (say on a widescreen) you can mess with aspect ratio index
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[2:18] <USBGuy> anyone know what sda1 is
[2:18] <ali1234> exobuzz: i'm using the 7" display, it's 800x480, there's no option for that mode in the menu
[2:18] <ali1234> retroarch render res is 640x480
[2:18] <USBGuy> I meant what is /dev/sda1?
[2:19] <ali1234> the retroarch menu (select+b) fills the screen properly
[2:19] <ali1234> but the emulator doesn't
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[2:19] <exobuzz> ali1234, play with the aspect ratio index
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[2:19] <exobuzz> and change the render res to 800x480 perhaps
[2:20] <exobuzz> although it should scale depending on aspect
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[2:20] <exobuzz> by default the correct aspect of the core is used
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[2:21] <ali1234> the aspect ration changes the width only
[2:21] <ali1234> i have borders at the top and bottom
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[2:23] <Xark> ali1234: If your display is like mine, you may need to set ASPECT mode to 4:3 on that
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[2:23] <exobuzz> does the framebuffer and ES fill the screen completely ?
[2:23] <ali1234> yes
[2:24] <ali1234> other emulators also fill the screen vertically
[2:24] <exobuzz> i can only suggest you experiment with the retroarch settings
[2:24] <ali1234> while maintaining the aspect ratio
[2:25] <ali1234> like i said, retroarch already fills the screen
[2:25] <ali1234> the problem is that the emulator is not filling the whole render buffer
[2:25] <exobuzz> you dont have some overlay or something set ?
[2:25] <exobuzz> ive not seen that behaviour
[2:25] <ali1234> no
[2:26] <exobuzz> without that screen I cant really advise further. sorry
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[2:27] <gnawzie> hi
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[2:29] <netsrot> is it possible to make retropie emulators ignore aspect ratio?
[2:29] <ali1234> yes
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[2:31] <ali1234> actually no
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[2:34] <ali1234> actually.... it might be the game
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[2:37] <JakeSays> hey anyone here know much about tslib? i'm trying to figure out if i need to install a kernel module to use it
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[3:14] <legg> snowkidind, Can you help me with some c++ programming?
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[3:36] <Daphnie> hello (:
[3:36] <Daphnie> can anyone help me?
[3:37] <Berg> you need to inform irc your problem
[3:37] <tjcarter> irc does not read minds
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[3:42] <JakeSays> it doesnt??
[3:43] <JakeSays> Daphnie: what do you need?
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[4:05] <gnawzie> is it bad to use a microcontroller for things like power control and monitoring
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[4:10] <kookie> no
[4:10] <kookie> use an Arduino Uno...
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[4:11] <gnawzie> thats what i was going to use
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[4:12] <gnawzie> im just worry that any issue in the program or hardware might blow up the batteries lol
[4:13] <gnawzie> like if it gets stuck continually charging already full cells
[4:13] <kookie> lol
[4:13] <kookie> trial/error
[4:14] <gnawzie> trial by lithium fire lol
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[4:14] <kookie> lol
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[4:15] <kookie> just start the trial with no load, then if ok, then try a light load, if ok, work your way up slowly until you reach the goal
[4:16] <gnawzie> a dedicated chip controlled by arduino might be better
[4:16] <gnawzie> or even by the pi itself
[4:16] <pigrit> so I need to authorize the google api for use in my app from a browser - but I'm running pipaos and it hasn't really got a gui P: any hints ?
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[4:18] <kookie> pigrit: that I don't know.. maybe niston would know
[4:19] <kookie> gnawzie: I'd use the pi to program the Uno and have the Uno do the work
[4:20] <pigrit> current train of thought/googling is about installing a gui and a browser
[4:20] <pigrit> I don't presume firefox or chrome run too sprightly on the pi ?
[4:20] <pigrit> B+
[4:20] <kookie> yes? Raspbian?
[4:21] <pigrit> well yes pipaos is based on raspbian
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[4:21] <pigrit> for x, it comes with "flux", which unless I've missed something, is an empty desktop to build from scratch
[4:21] <kookie> well then firefox would work, but is normally Epiram?
[4:22] <pigrit> Epiram ? is that a browser
[4:22] <pigrit> I've never really run raspbian's gui :D
[4:22] <gnawzie> would four 6v 10ah lead acid batteries last very long for a pi?
[4:22] <pigrit> too laggy
[4:24] <pigrit> which gui should I install ? lxde ?
[4:24] <gnawzie> most linear regulators like at least 7v to output 5v
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[4:24] <kookie> gnawzie: lead acid bat??? you kidding? should last about a week
[4:25] <kookie> pigrit: you have pi B+?
[4:25] <gnawzie> kookie: they seem more durable
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[4:26] <swift110-phone> Hey
[4:26] <gnawzie> i fixed one just by filling it with water and pulsing it for a loooong time
[4:26] <pigrit> I have B+ and 2, but using B+ right now
[4:27] <gnawzie> a totally sulfated battery is pretty far tho
[4:27] <pigrit> in fact I've ordered a new 2 to solve some problems I had in my app by sheer horsepower, and instead I just fixed it via software 15 minutes ago P:
[4:28] <kookie> pigrit: B+ will have to stay Raspbian... but the B-2 you can put Ubuntu in it and any gui you chose...
[4:28] <pigrit> could have spared me the 40€ but I'm sure I'll find it a purpose
[4:28] <megabut> if you assume a linear regulator and power draw of 1amp, you'd expect a 10ah battery to last about 10hours
[4:28] <pigrit> nah I'm not looking to use it as a desktop pc
[4:28] <pigrit> so... lxde ?
[4:28] <pigrit> does it fill the start menu by itself ?
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[4:29] <gnawzie> i have archlinux on mine
[4:30] <pigrit> 374MB of dependencies XD
[4:30] <kookie> have you tried LXLE?
[4:30] <kookie> or Puppy?
[4:31] <pigrit> puppy (and archlinux too) are distros, ain't they
[4:31] <kookie> yes
[4:31] <pigrit> I need a gui, not recompiling everything
[4:31] <kookie> they come with gui
[4:31] <gnawzie> gooey gui
[4:32] <kookie> lol
[4:32] <pigrit> I'm not using pipaos because it's light, I'm only using it because it comes packaged with kivypie
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[4:33] <pigrit> I'd rather cut one foot off than recompiling kivy on puppy
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[4:34] <kookie> have you tried RISC???
[4:34] <kookie> it's not windows and not Linux...
[4:35] <kookie> but works like a charm...
[4:36] <pigrit> lxle is also a distro :\
[4:36] <pigrit> lxde it is
[4:36] <kookie> so is LXLE
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[4:36] <pigrit> that's what I said
[4:36] <kookie> dunno if it will work on ARM chips
[4:37] <kookie> sorry
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[4:37] <pigrit> what, LXLE ?
[4:37] <pigrit> it's ok, I don't want it
[4:38] <pigrit> oh look kivypie is on jesse
[4:38] <pigrit> +i
[4:38] <kookie> sweet
[4:38] <kookie> use it
[4:38] <pigrit> what ??
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[4:39] <kookie> Jessie
[4:39] <kookie> Raspbian Jessie
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[4:41] <pigrit> meh pipaos is so stripped it may as well be centos 5
[4:43] <kookie> I see... I don't know about those distros as I've never pursued the use of them...
[4:46] <pigrit> I'd say they're more for running specific sw on than for "using"
[4:47] <pigrit> on desktop I'm all for ubuntu
[4:47] <gnawzie> are the flat lithium batteries better than the cylinder cells
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[4:50] <gnawzie> i noticed my phone battery maintains its capacity way better than laptop batteries unless high draw from a laptop ruins them quicker
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[5:08] <JakeSays> so i think i'm gonna create PiUi for kiosk style pi usage
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[6:11] <christina> :(
[6:11] <christina> I guess noone knows
[6:12] <christina> My daughter is going to be so dissapointed
[6:12] <ziesemer> Why do I get "RuntimeError: Failed to add edge detection" over half the time I try to call GPIO.add_event_detectin a new program?
[6:13] <uriah> christina: what're you trying to do?
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[6:14] <ziesemer> * to call GPIO.add_event_detect in a new program? Pi 1 B+ v1.2, python 3. .setmode(GPIO.BCM), .setup95, BPIO.IN, pull_up_down = GPIO.PUD_UP), .add_event_detect(5, GPIO.FALLING, callback=printFunction, bouncetime=250)
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[6:15] <ziesemer> I'm just not finding a lot online with that error message. Not sure if there is a hardware or a timing issue, or what else could be causing it. Just have this in "test.py". About half the time, it fires up and runs fine. the other half, immediately fails with the "Failed to add edge detection" error.
[6:19] <uriah> sorry, i haven't played around with GPIO in python enough to be able to help you with that :(
[6:19] <cluelessperson> anyone know how to use the esp8266 to give wifi to the rpi ?
[6:19] <ziesemer> Thanks anyway.
[6:21] <uriah> ziesemer: try posting a detailed question in the raspberry pi forums
[6:21] <ziesemer> If I don't make any further progress after trying a few more things, I will.
[6:21] <uriah> good luck
[6:21] <uriah> cluelessperson: http://www.instructables.com/id/Connect-an-ESP8266-to-your-RaspberryPi/
[6:22] <christina> christina: I sent you your script
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[6:22] <cluelessperson> uriah, that describes connecting it, but not using it as a regular wifi connection
[6:22] <uriah> ah ok
[6:23] <uriah> cluelessperson: i've never tried
[6:25] <christina> USBGuy: Why did you tell me that?
[6:26] <USBGuy> christina: look at the top of the page see my name in red? click it
[6:26] <christina> Alright (:
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[6:31] <ziesemer> Well, I can't reproduce if running as root or with sudo. So seems to be a permissions issue.
[6:32] <uriah> perhaps
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[6:39] <ziesemer> Cool, yes, and my problem exactly: https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=125803&p=874228
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[6:41] <ziesemer> (Ultimately is tracked at https://github.com/RPi-Distro/python-gpiozero/issues/50 .)
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[6:47] <JakeSays> christina: what are you looking for?
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[8:33] <vJames> Hi, I'm trying to use a DVI adapter to my monitor for my Pi2 but I consistently get a flash of "No Signal" across the screen. I've tried various adjustments to boot/config.txt but still, I see no display.
[8:33] <vJames> One flash of "No Signal" on each boot
[8:34] <Lonefish> Morning
[8:34] <vJames> Hey
[8:34] <CoJaBo> unsupported resolution?
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[8:34] <vJames> Monitor has a default resolution of 1440*900
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[8:34] <Lonefish> You could start out with 600x800 to check?
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[8:34] <AiGreek> Morning
[8:35] <vJames> How exactly do I do that?
[8:35] <Lonefish> 'Appy new year frenchy ^^
[8:35] <CoJaBo> Some cheapo ones support ONLY native res
[8:35] <Lonefish> No clue to be honest :p But I think it should be possible to set resolution on boot?
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[8:36] <Lonefish> Or you could use native res, if you're absolutely sure
[8:36] <AiGreek> Lonefish Happy New Year french fries eater :D
[8:36] <vJames> So maybe I should set hdmi_group=2
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[8:36] <vJames> then hdmi_mode=46 for 1440*900
[8:36] <Lonefish> I ate some yesterday :o Have you been spying on me?!
[8:36] <vJames> for the native res
[8:36] <ShorTie> is the adapter self powered ??
[8:36] <AiGreek> Lonefish you know i do
[8:37] <Lonefish> Creep.
[8:37] <vJames> No, the adapter isn't but it is a male DVI so it fits into the monitor
[8:37] <AiGreek> (did ? >_o)
[8:37] <vJames> not into the pi
[8:37] <vJames> hence, I'm using a HDMI cable
[8:37] <CoJaBo> ..DVI adaptors are passive
[8:38] <Lonefish> do = still going on, so you're still spying. Did = you spied on me yesterday and then you stopped
[8:38] <AiGreek> hum....so "do"
[8:38] <vJames> I'll try setting it to default res
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[8:41] <vJames> I still don't see anything on the display after setting it to native res
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[8:42] <vJames> But I have noticed that when config_hdmi_boost is set to 7, I see a flash of "No Signal" across the monitor
[8:42] <vJames> whereas with a setting of 4, I do not see "No Signal" across the monitor
[8:43] <CoJaBo> ..that is rather weird
[8:43] <vJames> I've tried setting hdmi_safe=1
[8:43] <vJames> hdmi_force_hotplug=1 and hdmi_drive=2
[8:44] <vJames> and I have used the HDMI cable to successfully display the Pi on a TV
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[8:44] <vJames> I haven't yet tested the adapter but I want to assume that it is working normally since I only bought it today
[8:45] <CoJaBo> That's what I'd bet on being defective then..
[8:45] <CoJaBo> Amazon?
[8:45] <Lonefish> can't you use it with a dvd player or something?
[8:45] <vJames> I just bought it from my supplier
[8:46] <CoJaBo> Try it with some other HTMI device; same cable, sama adaptor
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[8:46] <vJames> the brand is Skymaster, never heard of it before :/
[8:46] <vJames> I'll test it with my laptop now
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[8:48] <vJames> Ahhh ok
[8:49] <vJames> the adapter is fine, produces a display with my laptop
[8:49] <vJames> Hopefully I can find a way for it to work with my pi
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[8:52] <vJames> Anybody have any ideas for a fix?
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[8:55] <vJames> I'm reading somewhere that deleting the boot/config.txt file worked in one case, is that ok to do?
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[8:57] <Lonefish> Still think that this is one of the cutest bounce-replies: Hi. This is the qmail-send program at popmx-06.priorweb.be. I'm afraid I wasn't able to deliver your message to the following addresses. This is a permanent error; I've given up. Sorry it didn't work out.
[8:58] <Lonefish> Try and see, if it doesn't have any data on it you could just reinstall it if all goes wrong
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[9:00] <vJames> yep, ok
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[9:04] <vJames> Still nothing :9
[9:04] <vJames> :(*
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[9:08] <CoJaBo> Lonefish: I've come to HATE that error :/
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[9:09] <Armand> Lonefish: QMAIL!!!!!
[9:09] <Armand> >_< >_< >_<
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[9:14] <Lonefish> Qmail is cute.
[9:14] <Lonefish> CoJaBo: Why? :p
[9:14] <Armand> It's disgusting and annoying..
[9:14] <Armand> But, opinion..
[9:14] <CoJaBo> Getting it so often, it sounds condescengintg :P
[9:15] <Lonefish> Haha
[9:15] <Lonefish> I get it on our mailings,
[9:15] <Lonefish> so don't really care,
[9:16] <Lonefish> we send out 10k mails with our new promo's
[9:16] <Armand> I'm a sysadmin.. thankfully qmail is only on one server and I rarely have to deal with it.
[9:16] <Lonefish> And I just sift through the bounces, since some idiots always reply to the wrong email
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[10:50] <vJames> anybody able to help me with an issue I'm having with a DVI adapter?
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[11:08] <t3chguy> vJames: why don't you just ask the question rather than asking to ask
[11:09] <vJames> sorry, i've asked it multiple times in the past few hours and didn't want to keep clogging people's windows
[11:10] <vJames> I just don't want people complaining that I won't shut up...
[11:10] <vJames> Well, my DVI adapter is not giving me a display into my rpi 2
[11:10] <t3chguy> vJames: force hdmi output
[11:10] <t3chguy> the pi is probably not seeing the DVI Adapter
[11:10] <vJames> I've tested the HDMI cable and the adapter separately and they work fine
[11:10] <vJames> i've forced hdmi output
[11:11] <t3chguy> the DVI Adapter might not be compatible with the mode that it is in
[11:11] <t3chguy> play about with all the possible output modes
[11:11] <vJames> I've been on the pi forums going through multiple combinations of config.txt settings
[11:11] <t3chguy> are you restarting the pi between changes?
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[11:11] <t3chguy> you can apply changes on the fly using `tvservice`
[11:12] <vJames> yes im restarting it
[11:12] <vJames> how do i use tvservice though?
[11:12] <t3chguy> `tvservice --help` might point that out
[11:12] <t3chguy> or maybe `man tvservice`
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[11:12] <vJames> so i have to have a display already?
[11:13] <t3chguy> you can use tvservice over ssh
[11:13] <vJames> Sorry, I'm a bit of a noob, how do I do that?
[11:13] <vJames> Only got my pi a couple of days ago
[11:14] <t3chguy> vJames: https://www.raspberrypi.org/documentation/remote-access/ssh/
[11:14] <vJames> t3chguy: thanks i'll give it a read
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[11:16] <vJames> So on Windows, all I need is just puTTY.exe?
[11:17] <vJames> Errr, I think I have a problem, my network adapter must draw too much current
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[11:20] <t3chguy> oh wow vJames
[11:20] <t3chguy> get a decent power supply for it
[11:20] <t3chguy> the official one ain't bad, and is fairly cheap
[11:21] <vJames> Power supply was advertised at 5V 2A
[11:21] <vJames> it must be less than that...
[11:21] <vJames> I'll get my EoP connection and get an ethernet cable
[11:22] <t3chguy> vJames: also depends on the cable connecting to the power supply
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[11:23] <t3chguy> some cables will have a fair amount of resistance (especially if they're long-ish)
[11:23] <t3chguy> that'll cause voltage drop, and thus instability
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[11:23] <vJames> Yeah, I've got the EoP hooked up, I'll test the power supply later with alternate cables and another supply
[11:24] <vJames> I have puTTY open, but I'm not sure where to go from here
[11:24] <t3chguy> type in the IP of your pi, along with port 22
[11:24] <t3chguy> connect, enter your username and password (of the pi)
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[11:25] <Lonefish> And if you don't know the ip you could use PiFinder from Adafruit
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[11:26] <vJames> i'll try go through my internal router and see
[11:26] <t3chguy> or you could just query your DHCP Server, or use the hostname of the raspberry pi
[11:27] <vJames> So it's prompting me to login as...
[11:28] <vJames> is the default just user: pi and password: raspberry
[11:28] <vJames> ?
[11:28] <daveake> yes
[11:28] <t3chguy> that is the default on raspbian, yes
[11:29] <vJames> I knew the password field is invisible when you type in it, but I still got confused for a second lol
[11:29] <t3chguy> thats a thing with most (all?) *nix shells
[11:30] <vJames> ahh ok
[11:30] <vJames> So I've entered tvservice --help and I'm reading it right now
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[11:32] <vJames> t3chguy: what would you recommend for me to do, I've tried quite a few different configs already
[11:32] <vJames> or anybody for that matter
[11:33] <vJames> I think I might have found the issue.
[11:34] <vJames> I bumped my HDMI cable that was connected to the monitor and now it keeps bringing up the "No Signal" message
[11:36] <vJames> Is it okay to remove the HDMI cable from the pi while it is booted on?
[11:36] <t3chguy> yes it is vJames
[11:37] <gordonDrogon> t3chguy, technically not the shell as that's not running yet, but the login program that turns echo off </pedantic>
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[11:39] <vJames> Bit of a stupid question, but if I am connected by ssh, will the pi display work?
[11:39] <gordonDrogon> it can do, but it'll depends on the application you use.
[11:40] <vJames> should 'tvservice -p' turn it on, if it isn't already?
[11:40] <gordonDrogon> I don't know - I've never used it.
[11:40] <t3chguy> gordonDrogon: the behaviour exists within shells also though
[11:40] <t3chguy> vJames: it should
[11:40] <gordonDrogon> t3chguy, shells don't control logins though.
[11:40] <vJames> ok
[11:41] <t3chguy> I used to use tvservice to kill hdmi and resurrect it because by default pi's screensaving kept the backlight on
[11:41] <t3chguy> then I found out there's a config.txt param to change that behaviour
[11:41] <t3chguy> but its not documented
[11:41] <t3chguy> and my PR about it was never merged
[11:42] <vJames> Before, I would boot the pi, see ONE "No Signal" message on my monitor and then nothing. Now, I see frequent pop-ups with the same message for some reason and I haven't changed any settings
[11:43] <t3chguy> I really wonder why its not been merged, its rather handy: https://github.com/raspberrypi/documentation/pull/245
[11:43] <vJames> Could that mean that my HDMI cable isn't properly connected to the pi? Maybe the case is obscuring the connection?
[11:44] <t3chguy> vJames: easy enough to test
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[11:48] <vJames> It isn't the case then, just plugged the pi into a TV with the same cable
[11:48] <vJames> I'm out of ideas
[11:49] <t3chguy> have you ever had HDMI output out of this Pi?
[11:49] <vJames> Yes through to my TV
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[11:53] <theTroy> Could someone tell me what is the command line for the wifi utility in r-pi right now please?
[11:54] <vJames> If you don't have any ideas, I might make a forum post
[11:55] <vJames> @ t3chguy
[11:55] <t3chguy> theTroy: its a config file rather than a utility
[11:55] <t3chguy> wpa-supplicant.conf
[11:55] <t3chguy> vJames: probably best
[11:56] <t3chguy> I have 3 Pi's (2B, 2* Zero) and I don't even use them
[11:56] <trqx> mmh that's weird, I cannot ssh to raspbian unless I ping it first, and it takes some seconds to answer first, is there some kind of sleep mode for wifi adapter?
[11:56] <theTroy> t3chguy: but there is a utility in the desktop that one can use... I simply want to run that over ssh
[11:56] <t3chguy> so I'm just using my lack of experience to help you xD
[11:56] <theTroy> t3chguy: I realise its not the most efficient way
[11:56] <t3chguy> theTroy: depends on the Desktop Environment you are using
[11:56] <t3chguy> and do you mean over X11 forwarding?
[11:56] <theTroy> t3chguy: raspbian
[11:56] <t3chguy> maybe worth asking #raspbian
[11:56] <theTroy> cheers
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[11:57] <trqx> t3chguy: yep wpa_supplicant, you might want to use wicd with wicd-curses if you need to connect to multiple networks
[11:57] <trqx> or network-manager with nm-cli if you want openvpn support in the networking daemon
[11:58] <trqx> sorry, it was meant for theTroy
[11:59] <vJames> t3chguy: does it matter if I delete all of the text in the default config.txt file and just type in my own settings?
[11:59] <vJames> t3chguy: I'm just trying to cover myself for anything stupid I may have done before I post on the forums about an error that seems to be so common
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[12:07] <teclo-> trqx: most likely a DNS / reverse DNS Issue
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[12:09] <trqx> teclo-: I use the local network static ip directly
[12:10] <teclo-> trqx: ah... then I guess I don't know...
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[12:59] <Langley> Help, how do I autostart kweb on boot? I tried creating a file in .config/autostart where I put @kweb, but my Pi still boots up to CLI
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[13:04] <Davespice> check out Tim Peake's twitter or facebook everyone, he's just posted the first picture of the Astro Pi payload in actual SPACE ! =)))
[13:07] <fluffet> why don't you link the post :p
[13:07] <daveake> cool :-)
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[13:10] <chesty> https://twitter.com/astro_timpeake/status/683978810669305856/photo/1
[13:10] <daveake> Davespice Did you see my little video of my fake foam astro pi ? :)
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[13:13] <daveake> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-fKoODWPt94 in case not :)
[13:14] <[Saint]> https://www.youtube.com/v/-fKoODWPt94
[13:14] <[Saint]> (for a non-braindead url)
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[13:17] <daveake> I need to add the corner handle things sometime
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[13:22] <chesty> daveake: is there a video explaining the bigger picture?
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[13:23] <daveake> No but I did blog about it - http://www.daveakerman.com/?p=1876
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[13:24] <daveake> I was hoping to fly this before Tim's launch, with people tweeting "Good luck Tim" messages which would then get relayed up to the flight and recorded on video against a backdrop of the Earth below
[13:24] <daveake> However the weather turned to sh*t and I didn't get a chance to fly it
[13:25] <daveake> I will fly it sometime during Tim's tenure up there, perhaps just before his b'day in April
[13:25] <chesty> nice, what gas do you fill a weather balloon with?
[13:25] <daveake> Hydrogen
[13:26] <daveake> cheaper and better (goes a bit higher) than helium, plus it's not a limited resource
[13:26] <chesty> and you can get everything you need online?
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[13:26] <chesty> the balloon and gas and line or whatever
[13:26] <daveake> Yes
[13:26] <chesty> i never knew people did that
[13:27] <daveake> Yeah it's not a huge hobby but there are a few of us around who do it regularly
[13:28] <daveake> Up to about 100 flights in the UK per year, at a guess
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[13:42] <gordonDrogon> wish I had time ...
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[13:58] <chesty> can't plug a py into a monitor on iss, i wonder what batteries they use up there
[13:58] <chesty> pi
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[14:09] <Davespice> it runs from a 120V DC to AC inverter, they then plug a standard US phone charging applicance into that which the Astro Pi is connected to via a normal USB cable
[14:10] <Davespice> so it goes 120 volts DC, to 120 volts AC and then back to 5 volts DC lol
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[14:10] <Davespice> more info here: https://twitter.com/astro_pi/status/620628517185716224?ref_src=twsrc^tfw
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[14:13] <daveake> The 120VDC itself comes via a converter from the ISS batteries - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electrical_system_of_the_International_Space_Station
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[14:17] <chesty> i just had a thought, I guess since they sent a pi up to the space station, there's no harmful chemicals leaching out of them. I wonder what they taste like?
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[14:17] <selckin> like cricuit board
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[14:59] <NahUndFern> Hey guys. I'm having some trouble. I'm trying to get everything working headless on the raspberry pi. However I run into problems when adding a new user and removing the default pi user. Can anyone point me to some docs for the correct way to do this? I keep running into problems such as not being able to ssh back in, or not being able to fully remove the pi user. This is with raspbien by the way.
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[15:00] <selckin> do 1 problem at a time, add a user and sshing to it
[15:00] <selckin> whats the problem?
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[15:03] <NahUndFern> selckin, Well all i want to do is remove the pi user and add my own user. When i ssh in and add a user, that is fine. I then visudo, that works fine, then i try to delete the default pi user. I kept gettng errors when trying to delete it due to processes still being run by the user. I tried sudo kill/pkill, the processes came back instantly as new ones
[15:03] <fluffet> NahUndFern: i have done this
[15:03] <NahUndFern> I managed to delete it after first using usermod, then killing processes, then deleting user and group
[15:04] <fluffet> i think what i did was ssh in as root, rename the pi user and rename the home folder
[15:04] <NahUndFern> But now my main problem is after i do this, i can't ssh back in
[15:04] <fluffet> because when you ssh in you run bash as that user so you can't even sudo because you will get that error
[15:04] <fluffet> then disable the root account again
[15:04] <NahUndFern> fluffet, you can sudo after using visudo
[15:05] <fluffet> yeah but if you are logged in as another user, and you run sudo, you run sudo in that bash shell
[15:05] <NahUndFern> I thought renaming user / user dirs could lead to problems
[15:05] <fluffet> so that's why you are running a process being run as that user :p
[15:05] <fluffet> and then you can't rename i think
[15:05] <fluffet> nah, it works fine :)
[15:05] <fluffet> it's just two commands, i found them somewhere
[15:06] <fluffet> i just realised my explanation sucks
[15:06] <NahUndFern> fluffet, I mean problems such as symlinks not working anymore
[15:07] <selckin> what procs are running as the pi user?
[15:07] <fluffet> they will break, obviously, but they won't work for your new user either
[15:07] <selckin> systemd must be restarting them if they come back after you kill them
[15:07] <selckin> or inittab is
[15:07] <NahUndFern> selckin, I can't check now since I'm locked out, but systemd is definitely one of them
[15:07] <NahUndFern> there were 3
[15:08] <fluffet> and what symlinks are you worried about, exactly? :p
[15:08] <NahUndFern> selckin, The new user wouldn't rely on them since they wouldn't belong to that new user i thought
[15:08] <chesty> you can't ssh in as pi, then sudo delete the pi user, you should be able to ssh in as newuser and sudo del pi
[15:08] <NahUndFern> fluffet, I don't know, lol. I'm just worried about things down the line
[15:09] <selckin> you can probably just edit /etc/passwd and /etc/shadow and rename the pi user, the real stored value is the integer :x
[15:09] <NahUndFern> chesty, I don't, i ssh in as pi, make a new user, visudo that user, reboot, then ssh back in as new user, then del
[15:10] <chesty> that should work.
[15:10] <selckin> aye
[15:10] <selckin> except for systemd bullshittery i'm maybe not familiar with, or if it still starts x11 as that user etc
[15:10] <NahUndFern> chesty, It does, but i get problems like the one i mentioned, like not being able to ssh back in, and problems with killing processes
[15:11] <chesty> ssh runs as root, it's independent of the pi user
[15:12] <NahUndFern> The not being able to get back in is when i ssh in, the connection is immediately closed.
[15:12] <selckin> password or key auth?
[15:12] <fluffet> http://raspberrypi.stackexchange.com/questions/12827/change-default-username
[15:12] <fluffet> shows two different methods :P
[15:13] <selckin> you need proper premissions on your user dir and/or .ssh or ssh will barf out (check the log)
[15:13] <fluffet> just plugging a keyboard in and going console for 2 minutes is the simplest, but in case that's impossible then you have the bottom answer :)
[15:13] <selckin> ie not world readable etc
[15:13] <NahUndFern> selckin, It doesn't seem to be either it's just closing connection
[15:13] <NahUndFern> fluffet, I don't have a keyboard :(
[15:14] <NahUndFern> Just a laptop to ssh in from
[15:14] <chesty> ssh -vvv newuser@ip
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[15:17] <NahUndFern> chesty, Since it was a new setup and i ran into problems i was going to try again, but I'm rewriting the img to the sd card so as to start fresh. I was wondering what i could do different when i try again
[15:17] <fluffet> if you're going fresh just do it the root way imo
[15:18] <fluffet> running pi headless is great, you should check out Mosh if you roam a lot with your laptop :-)
[15:18] <chesty> try this, ssh as pi, adduser newuser; adduser newuser sudo; logout; ssh newuser
[15:18] <chesty> or do it the root way, there is no one correct way
[15:19] <NahUndFern> fluffet, I'll be sure to check it out, thanks!
[15:19] <fluffet> also.. if you ever intend on running a web server or opening ssh port to the outside world
[15:19] <fluffet> change the ports and be sure to disable root auth
[15:20] <fluffet> i had like 60,000 failed auth attempts before i changed ports from a few different ip's
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[15:20] <chesty> i use ssh and screen, mosh was weird when i tried it last time
[15:20] <fluffet> mosh and tmux works great for me =)
[15:20] <fluffet> never had any problems
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[15:21] <NahUndFern> chesty, Thank you, i will give that a shot
[15:21] <NahUndFern> chesty, I think that may have been one of the main problems, not logging out correctly
[15:22] <NahUndFern> But then i have the not being able to get back in problem, i wonder if it will persist
[15:22] <fluffet> not likely if you have just gotten a fresh install ^^
[15:22] <fluffet> oh, if you run headless --
[15:22] <fluffet> don't forget to uninstall everything X server related unless you want to use remote desktop
[15:23] <fluffet> i'm not sure if it will free any ram since the processes won't be running but it will definitely save you some disk space
[15:23] <[Saint]> if you want to run headless, why the heck would you not be using one of the many minimal distributions?
[15:23] <[Saint]> removing packages is a mugs game.
[15:23] <NahUndFern> fluffet, How come? I tried the lite version before, but i was going to try this one to see what it was like too
[15:23] <[Saint]> install what you want, not remove what you don't want.
[15:24] <NahUndFern> [Saint], I do like running minimal. However this is my first pi, i wanted to see what the other distros were like
[15:24] <[Saint]> raspbian-ua-netinst, if you're comfortable in a minimally configured system with nothing but cli.
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[15:25] <fluffet> that makes a lot more sense but it's a lot more work ^^
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[15:25] <[Saint]> I argue it's more work to remove what you don't want, than install what you do.
[15:25] <[Saint]> but, *shrug*.
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[15:26] <fluffet> didn't even know there was a thing like network install
[15:26] <[Saint]> removing what you don't want revolves around the user actually knowing what everything is and whether or not they want it.
[15:26] <NahUndFern> [Saint], I agree, and that's probably what i will end up with, i just want to see what this is like.
[15:26] <[Saint]> fluffet: well, now you do! :)
[15:26] <chesty> i think for a new user who would like occasional support, running an official raspbian image is the way to go
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[15:26] <fluffet> yeah it's great not being the first one to run into problems :p
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[15:27] <[Saint]> there's really very little to go wrong that's truly raspi-specific.
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[15:27] <[Saint]> very little.
[15:28] <NahUndFern> [Saint], Do you know if the arch raspi distro is decent?
[15:28] <[Saint]> It is.
[15:28] <[Saint]> Installation is entirely different, though.
[15:29] <[Saint]> For whatever retarded reason they decided they weren't going to ship dd'able images anymore.
[15:29] <[Saint]> well....you'll see.
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[15:30] <NahUndFern> [Saint], What??
[15:31] <NahUndFern> [Saint], That doesn't make much sense :s
[15:31] <[Saint]> Tell me about it.
[15:32] <[Saint]> They even alienated Windows users by making bsdtar a requirement for no obvious reason.
[15:32] <[Saint]> Check their install docs, you'll see.
[15:34] <[Saint]> Arch is nice, but, making things needlessly convoluted seems to be a specialty of the distribution.
[15:34] <NahUndFern> I'm not sure what you mean, how does bsdtar alienate windows users? It's a requirement as in it's in the base install? i just don't get the non dd'able images.
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[15:34] <[Saint]> [2016 01 05 03:32:19] <[Saint]> Check their install docs, you'll see.
[15:34] <NahUndFern> [Saint], Will do
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[15:35] <[Saint]> tl;dr: bsdtar is required for the actual installation.
[15:35] <[Saint]> (yep, really)
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[15:36] <[Saint]> which means *nix, which means "up yours, Windows users"
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[15:36] <[Saint]> save for the case of virtualization.
[15:38] <NahUndFern> Can i ask, those that run a minimal pi, what do you like to do with it?
[15:39] <[Saint]> file/print server, IRC core, *sonic server, annoy-the-crap-out-of-people-FM-broadcaster, etc.
[15:39] <[Saint]> my only remaining pi in deployment exists as a deadman switch for my servers.
[15:40] <SirLagz> NahUndFern: my Pi is my temperature sensor for my homelab
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[15:42] <NahUndFern> [Saint], 'annoy-the-crap-out-of-people-FM-broadcaster' Not too sure what you mean there. SirLagz That sounds pretty cool, did you need extra hardware for that?
[15:42] <SirLagz> NahUndFern: just some temperature sensors and some wires
[15:43] <[Saint]> NahUndFern: walks across the entire FM spectrum slowly, or toggles between specific bands, or used babs cyclically playing a terrible 8-bit version of Yakkety Sax.
[15:43] <[Saint]> *used bands
[15:43] <SirLagz> NahUndFern: http://sirlagz.net/2015/06/04/temperature-monitoring-with-a-raspberry-pi-and-zabbix-part-1/ <-- my blog post on it
[15:43] <[Saint]> I had some...neighbor issues.
[15:43] <[Saint]> They liked loud radio, I didn't.
[15:44] <[Saint]> They soon learned.
[15:44] <SirLagz> [Saint]: haha nice
[15:44] <NahUndFern> SirLagz, Oh ok. I'm very much a beginner when it comes to hardware. One of the main reasons i bought a pi, to start learning a little more.
[15:44] <SirLagz> NahUndFern: I'm much the same still...I just haven't had the time to mess around with the things I've wanted to mess around with
[15:44] <NahUndFern> [Saint], Is there any way for them to defend themselves against you doing that? Lol
[15:45] <SpeedEvil> NahUndFern: Call OFCOM, and report him as a pirate broadcaster
[15:46] <SpeedEvil> and/or jammer
[15:46] <daveake> Yes, call OFCOM/FCC
[15:46] <[Saint]> In my locale it's "deal with it".
[15:46] <Armand> Assuming said "authority" has jurisdiction.. ;)
[15:46] <SirLagz> I didn't think OFCOM or FCC had jurisdiction in Kiwiland
[15:46] <SpeedEvil> The permitted broadcast power in US/EU is 30nW for FM, without a licence
[15:46] <daveake> Local version thereof then
[15:47] <SpeedEvil> 30-50nW
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[15:47] <[Saint]> and, yes, I can broadcast plenty enough to be annoying legally.
[15:47] <SpeedEvil> The pi FM transmitter is _terrible_
[15:47] <NahUndFern> [Saint], That sounds pretty fun
[15:47] <SirLagz> SpeedEvil: i think for [Saint]'s purposes, it was perfect :D
[15:47] <[Saint]> this is how, for instance, those crappy things to get your cd player working in your in car cassette deck worked.
[15:47] <SpeedEvil> (it has many harmonics, including large amounts of power spewed into air-band
[15:47] <SpeedEvil> [Saint]: no, it's not.
[15:47] <fluffet> can they triangulate your position if you broadcast FM?
[15:48] <Armand> fluffet: Yes
[15:48] <SpeedEvil> [Saint]: they have transmitters in the nanowatts, and are mostly spectrally pure.
[15:48] <SpeedEvil> The Pi is _much_ more powerful, and produces lots of random crap when transmitting.
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[15:48] <Armand> Any signal broadcast can be triangulated, with the right equipment and knowledge.
[15:48] <SpeedEvil> Over a wide bandwidth
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[15:49] <[Saint]> The other thing is, who the hell is going to know what's happening, let alone who to report it to, even if they are going to get told to eat it in the end?
[15:49] <[Saint]> It served my purpose. Mind you, I did accidentally leave it live for a few months after the issue stopped.
[15:49] <SpeedEvil> Someone that knows that transmitting without licence is not legal.
[15:50] <SpeedEvil> Someone who is interfered with.
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[15:51] <[Saint]> I pretty much guarantee ~90% of the population, at least in my locale, are just going to go "uhhhhhhhhhh, that's weird" and just stop using the radio.
[15:51] <[Saint]> observational bias tells me that is true, albeit with a small sample base.
[15:51] <IT_Sean> what were you transmitting, and why?
[15:51] <[Saint]> see above.
[15:51] <SirLagz> [Saint]: i.e. your loud neighbours? :D
[15:52] <SirLagz> for some reason, talking about radio makes me want to play 'This War Of Mine'
[15:52] <pksato> any one still listen rf radio? :)
[15:52] <fluffet> tuvan throat singing 24/7, on all frequencies
[15:57] <NahUndFern> Post auditory vibrations
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[15:58] <IT_Sean> the Brown Note!
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[15:59] <Viper168> I was able to do some crazy demonic sounding throat singing stuff when I was singing to some metal in the car once
[15:59] <Viper168> never have been able to do that again
[15:59] <Viper168> either that or the spirit of satan temporarily inhabited me because of the metals
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[16:03] <[Saint]> It's subjective, but my interpretation of the rulings here PiFM falls under 'unwanted inference', and a home user just pretty much has to suck it up.
[16:04] <[Saint]> I wouldn't really like to have been tested on that, though.
[16:04] <[Saint]> But I see it as being hilariously unlikely if I'm not interfering with critical infrastructure.
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[16:05] <Tenkawa> hi all.
[16:05] <Tenkawa> my zero is suppose to be here today yay!!!
[16:05] <[Saint]> I think I could have argues that it wasn't a broadcast system and didn't need to be licensed as such, and the operation was "unintentional".
[16:05] <[Saint]> *argued
[16:06] <[Saint]> At least that's how I justified it on a cursory reading at the time.
[16:06] <[Saint]> fun fact: operation was absolutely intentional
[16:07] <NahUndFern> Should i create a 'wheel' group when adding my new user? I'm used to that, but i don't have much experience with debian
[16:07] <NahUndFern> For my users main group
[16:07] <selckin> not really
[16:07] <[Saint]> debian has no concept of the wheel user, does it?
[16:08] <[Saint]> that's a pure Arch-ism is it not?
[16:08] <selckin> gentoo has it too, ubuntu too i think
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[16:08] <NahUndFern> I'm not sure.
[16:08] <selckin> but yeah, its just a group with more premisions by default, add your user to it if needed, but don't make it the main group
[16:09] <NahUndFern> Is the sudo group debians equivalent? I would use that, but something tells me that's not good practice
[16:09] <[Saint]> Ubuntu doesn't have wheel, afaik.
[16:10] <[Saint]> At least if they did, they haven't, for a while.
[16:10] <[Saint]> In Ubunt-land, wheel == sudo.
[16:11] <[Saint]> I think (these days) wheel is an Arch (and BSD?)-ism.
[16:12] <[Saint]> Debian does have it, but it hasn't been an active default for ...ages?
[16:12] <[Saint]> you need to do some PAM magic to get the wheel group up in debian.
[16:12] <[Saint]> sec.
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[16:13] <[Saint]> aha - 'auth required pam_wheel.so' in /etc/pam.d/su
[16:13] <NahUndFern> [Saint], Don't you have to do that in arch too?
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[16:13] <NahUndFern> [Saint], I usually do
[16:14] <[Saint]> wheel should be available in Arch by default, no?
[16:14] <NahUndFern> [Saint], It is, but you have to uncomment that in su
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[16:15] * Tenkawa can't wait to setup his zero
[16:17] <Armand> Tenkawa: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitsubishi_A6M_Zero ?
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[16:17] <[Saint]> He's gonna go kamakaze some destroyers.
[16:18] <Armand> ^_^
[16:18] <mithenks> hello
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[16:18] <Tenkawa> Armand: let me take a look
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[16:19] <Tenkawa> Armand: heheheh
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[16:20] <Tenkawa> Armand: umm no
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[16:20] <Tenkawa> heheh
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[16:21] <Armand> Sorry, Tenkawa.. Seemed grossly inappropriate considering your nick. :P
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[16:22] <Tenkawa> ah..
[16:23] <Tenkawa> back to actual serious inquiry.. anyone running a usb wifi on a zero with success?
[16:23] <Tenkawa> I assume a otg to usb adapter would be sufficient?
[16:24] <IT_Sean> [Saint]: technically, i'm not sure it's possible for a single individual to "akmakaze _SOME_ destroyers". *a* destroyer, yes... _some_, not so much. Unless they are, like, really really close together, perhaps.
[16:24] <IT_Sean> :p
[16:24] * Tenkawa didn't even get that reference you two were discussing until I looked that up
[16:25] <Tenkawa> my memory isnt what it use to be
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[16:25] <Tenkawa> old age catching up with me
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[16:25] <[Saint]> I enjoy WWII hardware waaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too much.
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[16:26] <Tenkawa> if only the pi-zero had internal wifi
[16:26] <Tenkawa> heheheh
[16:26] <Tenkawa> that would be so awesome
[16:27] <Apocx> that feeling when you have a song stuck in your head but can't remember what the song is so you can't play it
[16:27] <Apocx> driving me mad
[16:27] <Apocx> and yes onboard wifi would rock
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[16:27] <Tenkawa> Apocx: that happens to me way too often
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[16:28] <Apocx> what's worse is that my current ear bug is a rock song where the guy singing is like impossible to understand so I don't know any lyrics to google.
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[16:29] <JK-47> lack of wifi or headers for an easy drop in was a major oversight. a lack of a $1 part adds $6-18 to the total cost of a build.
[16:29] <[Saint]> Apocx: close, but not quite - all day today I've been having "this song by N really sounds like that song...by...uhhhh...those guys....yeah, y'know, that one?"
[16:29] <JK-47> Apocx: soundhound or shazam it
[16:29] <[Saint]> Driving me insane.
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[16:29] <Tenkawa> JK-47: and makes the physical footprint quite a bit bigger
[16:29] <[Saint]> JK-47: soundhound your stream of consciousness?
[16:29] <JK-47> Tenkawa: it could be done with no extra
[16:29] <[Saint]> Did it get new features?
[16:29] <Tenkawa> JK-47: yeah I know ,,
[16:30] <JK-47> [Saint]: ahh didnt know it was a voice in his head
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[16:30] <Apocx> there's some app that lets you hum a tune and it tries to figure it out
[16:30] <Apocx> need to find a mic and try that
[16:30] <Apocx> probably won't work
[16:30] <Tenkawa> or play it and let Siri try to identify it if you got an idevice
[16:30] <Tenkawa> or Cortana if you got a MS device
[16:31] <[Saint]> I find Google Music or Google Soundsearch to be better.
[16:31] <[Saint]> Bigger audioid db.
[16:31] <Apocx> if I could play it I wouldn't be in this situation, it exists only as a track on loop in my head currently. all the more maddening
[16:31] <Tenkawa> Apocx: ahhh
[16:31] <[Saint]> google gets to mine all the tagged user submissions for audioIDs.
[16:31] <[Saint]> Apple doesn't have anything like that.
[16:33] <Tenkawa> I listen to so much heavy rock/metal that I've become fairly adept at understanding lyrics
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[16:34] <Tenkawa> then again the time I spent in my youth as a radio dj helped too.. (had a lot of time to just listen)
[16:34] <[Saint]> Pretty easy when it's all about vikings, norse gods, dragons, and the word "uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuggggggggggghhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!"
[16:34] <at0m> [Saint]: google was put up w such cos of youtube copyright violations
[16:35] <at0m> [Saint]: apple doesn't have such a service..
[16:35] <Apocx> yeah this is a song from like 15 years ago, can't remember a single word
[16:35] <Apocx> trying out midomi
[16:35] <[Saint]> at0m: actually I'm talking about users uploading their private librariers to google music, but, whatever.
[16:35] <Apocx> maybe it will work
[16:35] <Tenkawa> brb... reboting to new kernel ( I hope)
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[16:37] <at0m> [Saint]: just saying where google's audioID comes from, they were forced to do it.
[16:37] <at0m> not that there's much tunes that arent on youtube :o
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[16:37] <[Saint]> If you think that you must have a very narrow listening range.
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[16:38] <Apocx> AHA got it
[16:38] <Tenkawa> well that went a lot smoother than usual on this exynos box
[16:39] <Tenkawa> heheh
[16:39] <Apocx> finally remembered the damn lyrics
[16:39] <Tenkawa> Apocx: nice
[16:39] <Apocx> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q-KE9lvU810
[16:39] <Apocx> I don't know how it got stuck in my head, but I just kept playing the guitar piece over and over again
[16:40] <Tenkawa> who is it? (no graphical access)
[16:40] <Apocx> Smashing Pumpkins - Cherub Rock
[16:40] <Tenkawa> ahhhhh
[16:40] <Tenkawa> good band
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[16:40] <Apocx> yeah
[16:40] <[Saint]> early pumpkins were.
[16:40] <Apocx> still can't understand the guy though :P
[16:40] <[Saint]> later, notsomuch.
[16:41] <[Saint]> Corgan kinda flipped out.
[16:41] <Tenkawa> samskiter: you ever heard type o negative?
[16:41] <Tenkawa> oops [Saint] rather
[16:41] <Apocx> don't really listen to them, but I like this song
[16:41] <[Saint]> Zwan, enough said.
[16:42] <[Saint]> Tenkawa: I have /heard/ of them.
[16:42] <Tenkawa> ahhh
[16:42] <[Saint]> Can't really put a face or sound to them.
[16:42] <at0m> Tenkawa: i have! the singer's a woman now right
[16:42] <Tenkawa> they have a "different" sound
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[16:42] <Tenkawa> at0m: I think I heard that
[16:42] <Tenkawa> got a voice though
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[16:43] * Tenkawa throws some Daft Punk on...
[16:43] <at0m> for smth different eh
[16:43] * [Saint] throws Hot Chip into the mix.
[16:44] <snowkidind> What are we listening to?
[16:44] <at0m> i knew Daft Punk from clubbing, before Homework (collection of their singles) came out
[16:44] <Tenkawa> there are some combos that would be awesome to hear collaborate together nowadays cross grenre
[16:44] <Tenkawa> er genre
[16:44] <[Saint]> Been one of my personal favorites for a few years now, second only to Placebo and The Cure.
[16:44] <[Saint]> Oh, and Depeche Mode.
[16:44] <Tenkawa> at0m: daft is one of my fav
[16:44] <snowkidind> type o - good band had one hit but past that all is obsucre for the goth crowd. good stuff. Hot Chip, one of my favorite brit bands
[16:44] <Tenkawa> oooh depech!
[16:45] <[Saint]> Seriously - Hot Chip, check 'em out.
[16:45] <Tenkawa> now that is good stuff
[16:45] <Tenkawa> [Saint]: i will.. let me write them down
[16:45] <snowkidind> great pandora channel, hot chip is
[16:45] <[Saint]> Check out Hot Chip, you'll either like it, or...not.
[16:45] <at0m> if you listen to Depeche Mode carefully, you hear all the synth parts are written by the guitarist, for guitar
[16:45] <snowkidind> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k2n8CDPuZjg
[16:45] <at0m> but played on keys :)
[16:46] <[Saint]> snowkidind: you're one of the few people I have met that even know they exist
[16:46] <[Saint]> therefore, I now love you.
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[16:46] <[Saint]> have my manbabies.
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[16:46] <snowkidind> i know and im in DC of all places
[16:46] * Tenkawa grabs youtube on his phone to listen to this
[16:47] <Tenkawa> snowkidind: which song is that link?
[16:47] <[Saint]> snowkidind: particular fav track?
[16:47] <snowkidind> I use their pandora station at a lot of gigs as walk-inmusic
[16:47] <[Saint]> I like "No Fit State" and "How Do You Do"
[16:47] <snowkidind> over and over
[16:47] <[Saint]> a classic. but not (IMO) their best.
[16:47] <snowkidind> its all good
[16:47] <[Saint]> No Fit State does it for me.
[16:47] <Tenkawa> is need you now one of their songs?
[16:48] <[Saint]> It is.
[16:48] <Tenkawa> wow they are good
[16:48] <snowkidind> NFS is good i like it
[16:48] <[Saint]> I Feel Better is also very awesome.
[16:49] <Tenkawa> impressive....
[16:49] <snowkidind> the thing about the brit-pop bands is that the formula has to be right
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[16:49] * [Saint] nods
[16:49] <snowkidind> you have to have a part of fraile with a part of cool
[16:49] <snowkidind> they pull it off without sucking
[16:49] <[Saint]> The lead vocals kinda carry Hot CHip IMO.
[16:49] <[Saint]> Dude is a legend.
[16:49] <snowkidind> a lot of bands attempt that and cant
[16:50] <[Saint]> Whatshisface? Errr...Taylor.
[16:50] <[Saint]> Awesome voice. Stunning.
[16:51] <Armand> Swift ??
[16:51] * Armand runs!
[16:51] <[Saint]> Alexis Taylor. ;)
[16:52] <snowkidind> Their videos are hokey but i like it
[16:52] <gordonDrogon> gosh, people with ears.....
[16:52] <gordonDrogon> tinnitus bad today )-:
[16:52] <[Saint]> gordonDrogon: if it's any consolation, I have two, but only one works.
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[16:53] <[Saint]> Yeah! Genetics!
[16:53] <[Saint]> (all the males from my mother are deaf in their left ear)
[16:53] <gordonDrogon> yea, I have 2 too, but the come with a "processing problem" according to the specialist I last saw.
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[16:54] <[Saint]> My left ear does technically work, there's just no hammer bone to conduct to the tympanic(sp?) membrane.
[16:54] <[Saint]> bone conduction works fine.
[16:54] <[Saint]> though I don't have an implant.
[16:55] <[Saint]> for some odd reason, a curse perhaps, all the males in my family born to my mother have this weirdness.
[16:55] <[Saint]> pissed off a witch or something.
[16:55] <gordonDrogon> I'd suggest a curse..
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[16:56] <[Saint]> semi-related to bone conduction and non-obvious audio...google Samsung Technical Developments "Tip Talk" idea.
[16:56] <[Saint]> It's crazy, in a weird way that makes a lot of sense.
[16:57] <mithenks> anyone have used RTKLIB on Raspberry Pi?
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[16:57] <[Saint]> it's not quite bone conduction, or air conduction.
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[16:58] <[Saint]> http://www.androidpolice.com/2015/12/30/samsung-will-show-off-a-smart-belt-hand-controller-for-vr-and-a-wrist-strap-that-sends-audio-through-your-fingertip-at-ces/
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[16:59] <[Saint]> I see it as being damn near perfect for smartwatches.
[16:59] <[Saint]> in an odd, go-go-gadget phone kind of way.
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[17:00] <NahUndFern> Hey guys. I've managed to get the user thing working thanks to your help. However, i have a new problem. Trying to do a simple update "sudo apt-get install update" it returns "E: Unable to locate package update". How should i go about fixing this?
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[17:00] <[Saint]> drop the install
[17:00] <[Saint]> "sudo apt-get update'
[17:01] <[Saint]> you told it to install a package /called/ update, which, well..doesn't exist.
[17:01] <Lonefish> does anyone know of cron-like programs on windows?
[17:01] <NahUndFern> Oh.. well that's embarrassing. Thank you for the help though, much appreciated
[17:01] <[Saint]> de nada.
[17:01] <Lonefish> (not really the right channel, but hey, who knows)
[17:02] <snowkidind> member:identifier:gordondrogon member:identifier:%5Bsaint%5D I have this informative book on nutrition in relation to tinnitus and hearing loss. I took pictures of the relevant pages for you, here read these: http://snowkidind.com/tmp/ear/
[17:02] <[Saint]> wow - that failed.
[17:03] <[Saint]> snowkidind: thanks, but, no amount of nutrition in the world is going to cause me to grow back a missing bone.
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[17:03] <snowkidind> yea that kind fo sucks
[17:03] <[Saint]> also - you might want to check on why your highlighting is failing so badly.
[17:03] <snowkidind> yea im using colloquy on mac
[17:03] <[Saint]> I'm not sure what you see, but, that was very non-standard and weird.
[17:04] <snowkidind> if you drag the user name into the text thats what you get
[17:04] <snowkidind> im not sure what is actually supposed to work here
[17:04] <snowkidind> in chat, will someone be notified if I just type their name like so: [Saint]
[17:05] <Lonefish> start to type the name, push Tab button
[17:05] <[Saint]> first-alphanumeric-letter-of-nick+Tab should be standard in any decent IRC client.
[17:05] <[Saint]> and, yes.
[17:05] <Tenkawa> brb again... more kernel adjustments
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[17:05] <snowkidind> oh wow nice tip
[17:05] <[Saint]> Any decent client will also do last-spoken-order highlight with just plain Tab.
[17:06] <snowkidind> cool is working
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[17:06] <[Saint]> magic.gif
[17:06] <snowkidind> I started using IRC about 6 months ago so its cool to pick this up
[17:07] <creyc> hey folks, anyone have a good routine for getting jessie image working in qemu windows
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[17:10] <BCMM> snowkidind: also, most clients give you some sort of notification if your username is used, so tabbing usernames is a good way to make sure you spell it right and get that user's attention
[17:10] <snowkidind> that was the point to begin with BCMM
[17:10] <snowkidind> but thak you
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[17:13] <creyc> im getting kernel panic right after
[17:13] <creyc> EXT4-fs (sda2): mounted filesystem with ordered data mode. Opts: (null)
[17:13] <creyc> VFS: Mounted root (ext4 filesystem) readonly on device 8:2.
[17:14] <qubitnerd> hmm check permissions of the qcow file
[17:14] <qubitnerd> creyc: ^
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[17:16] <creyc> have full read/write
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[17:17] <creyc> is there anything special about jessie builds as far as emulation goes?
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[17:44] <loic_m> hi there
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[17:44] <loic_m> does anyone know if the official wifi dongle can support Access Point/Infrastructure mode at the same time?
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[17:50] <buZz> whats the chipset?
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[17:50] <loic_m> BurtyB> BCM43143
[17:51] <buZz> google says yes
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[17:52] <loic_m> I only find information that the dongle supports AP and infra mode, but can't find if both can work at the same time
[17:52] <buZz> oh like that
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[17:52] <loic_m> yep ;)
[17:52] <buZz> most often network cards dont offer both at the same time
[17:53] <buZz> and even if they do, they do both jobs poorly
[17:53] <buZz> its way more recommended to get two wifi dongles if you want to do two jobs
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[17:54] <loic_m> I was wondering if it won't be the simplest solution, indeed
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[18:08] <loic_m> or I could see if I can find a dongle which has a WPS button to connect the Pi to the wifi without having to ask people to ssh'ing things :)
[18:08] <Chillum> WPS is a hackers dream
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[18:09] <Chillum> I think the current implementation is securish, but in the past it has had all sorts of holes
[18:09] <IT_Sean> I would avoid WPS
[18:09] <Chillum> and since hardware almost never gets updated it is mostly still out there
[18:09] <Spiffy> You'd be amazed to see how many APs are still running WEP
[18:09] <deshipu> disable wps as soon as possible
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[18:10] <cehteh> shouldnt it be safe as long you dont use it even when enabled?
[18:10] <Chillum> Spiffy: not amazed at all. I have a Pi setup to defeat WEP on sight in about 2 minutes
[18:10] <Chillum> happens all over
[18:12] <loic_m> I'm looking at a way of simply connecting a Pi to a wifi network when there's no keyboard/screen and no ethernet available
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[18:13] <Tenkawa> loic_m: random one or specific?
[18:13] <loic_m> specific one
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[18:13] <Tenkawa> if a specific one just create a /etc/network/interfaces entry
[18:13] <Chillum> loic_m: I generally setup my wifi either directly on the microsd card or by booting it on the Pi on my TV
[18:13] <Chillum> once setup you don't need to worry about it
[18:13] <Tenkawa> with a static network definition (using dhcp or a fixed ip)
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[18:14] <Chillum> someone should make a simple tool that modifies a raspbian sd card to insert wifi credentials
[18:14] <loic_m> Chillum> at first I'm going to setup wifi on the sd card, but i'd like to just "send" the Pi to agencies (my customers in a kind of way) and them being able to just setup the wifi without me
[18:14] <Tenkawa> Chillum: a simple rc script could do that
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[18:15] <Chillum> loic_m: one option is to have it start in wifi hotspot mode. People then connect to the hotspot and provide the wifi credentials
[18:15] <Tenkawa> loic_m: write a rc script that they could be prompted to enter their network setup on first boot then done
[18:15] <Chillum> alternately you can make a web menu available through ethernet
[18:16] <loic_m> Chillum> exactly what I want to do but I need the wifi dongle to be AP and infra mode at the same time, don't I?
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[18:17] <Chillum> well it could get the info, hang up on the user and try to connect. If it fails it could fall back into AP mode
[18:17] <loic_m> but if I can scan networks while in AP, so it's perfect
[18:17] <Chillum> not sure if that can be done, perhaps it can
[18:18] <Chillum> if not then it can just pre-scan and remember it
[18:18] <loic_m> good idea
[18:18] <loic_m> I'll get an edimax dongle tomorrow, I'll give a try that way
[18:18] <loic_m> thanks for you ideas :)
[18:19] <loic_m> I'll come back here when I'll get something working
[18:19] <Chillum> the ethernet port is the way I would use. Have it just assign an IP to anything that connects and then use DNS spoofing to redirect any web page lookup to a setup page
[18:19] <Chillum> like a captive portal
[18:19] <Chillum> you could also get the info from the customers before you ship and config it for them
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[18:24] <Tenkawa> Any of you got a pi zero? if so... does it have 1 or 2 usable micro usb ports ?
[18:24] <Tenkawa> i assume its one useable and 1 for power?
[18:25] <Apocx> yes
[18:25] <Tenkawa> any alternative way to power it to make both ports avail?
[18:25] <Tenkawa> or should I be ready to get out my hub?
[18:25] <Tenkawa> heheh
[18:25] <Tenkawa> (powered hub mind you)
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[18:26] <Apocx> you will need a hub if you want more than one usb device attached to the pi
[18:26] <Tenkawa> ok
[18:26] <Tenkawa> thats what I thought
[18:26] <Apocx> there are no data lines on the pwr in micro usb
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[18:26] <Tenkawa> would be nice if I could find a gpio wifi dongle
[18:27] <Tenkawa> heheheh
[18:28] <Chillum> ESP8266 is sort of a gpio wifi dongle
[18:28] <Tenkawa> oh?
[18:28] <Chillum> but it is not a convential wifi device
[18:28] <Chillum> it is controlled through serial
[18:28] <Chillum> or can be reprogrammed
[18:28] <[Saint]> for varying definitions of 'dongle' and 'wireless'
[18:28] <Chillum> indeed, forget "dongle"
[18:29] <Tenkawa> thats doable.. i just want to use wifi on it without taking up a usb connect
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[18:29] <megabut> is there a guide for connecting from one raspberry pi to another's serial console
[18:29] <Tenkawa> oh thats neat
[18:30] <Tenkawa> Chillum: thanks for the pointer... reading up on this addon
[18:30] <Tenkawa> (set of addons rather)
[18:30] <Chillum> just keep in mind you OS won't see it as a network card, but as a serial interface
[18:31] <Chillum> then you need to ues a command set to interface with the network, so nothing that is not purpose built to use it will be able to use it
[18:31] <Chillum> it is more meant for microcontrollers than computers
[18:31] <[Saint]> megabut: http://elinux.org/RPi_Serial_Connection
[18:31] <Tenkawa> Chillum: thats fine... linux has been doing serial networking for years
[18:32] <Tenkawa> Chillum: I had to do my first isp connectivity to routers via serial and x.25
[18:32] <buZz> 18:28:30 < Chillum> but it is not a convential wifi device
[18:32] <Chillum> again, this is not any interface that linux will work with, serial or not.
[18:32] <buZz> actually it is
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[18:32] <Chillum> ohh?
[18:32] <buZz> you -can- use it as normal wifi device
[18:32] <Chillum> I did not know that
[18:32] <buZz> with the ESP8089 driver, and some hardware mods
[18:32] <buZz> over SDIO
[18:32] <Tenkawa> sweet
[18:32] <Chillum> neat
[18:32] <Tenkawa> theres one in stock here locally
[18:32] <Chillum> learned something new today
[18:32] <Chillum> Tenkawa: they are cheap too!
[18:33] <Tenkawa> might have to take a trip tonight
[18:33] <buZz> ppl are making a hat out of it
[18:33] <Tenkawa> yeah.. 7$
[18:33] <buZz> https://hackaday.io/project/8678-rpi-wifi-hat
[18:33] <buZz> Tenkawa: wow, triple markup :P
[18:33] <Chillum> ahhh perfect for the zero
[18:33] <buZz> its actually a 2 usd device
[18:33] <Tenkawa> wow... 802.11n
[18:33] <buZz> poor though, just 20mhz
[18:34] <Tenkawa> buZz: hey for local 7$ is fine..
[18:34] <Tenkawa> dont have to deal with shipping
[18:34] <buZz> we have them for 4 euros in the bar @ hackerspace ;)
[18:34] <Chillum> $7 is fine for one. If you want 10 get them from ebay or another competitively priced site
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[18:34] <buZz> including 'nodemcu' breakout board
[18:35] <Tenkawa> whoah... we have a bunch of choices here.. wasnt reading far enough down my search results
[18:35] <Tenkawa> go microcenter :)
[18:35] <Tenkawa> thank you all for the advice
[18:35] <Chillum> yes they have a lot of options
[18:35] <Tenkawa> this really helps
[18:36] <Chillum> let me know how it turns out
[18:36] <Tenkawa> Chillum: only place I shop locally :)
[18:36] <Tenkawa> Chillum: will dp
[18:36] <Tenkawa> er do
[18:36] <Chillum> lol @ "will dp"
[18:36] <buZz> https://hackaday.com/2015/12/09/raspberry-pi-wifi-through-sdio/ <- original post about the hack
[18:36] <Tenkawa> haahaaahaa
[18:37] <buZz> note that you do need quite some mods before able to use it over gpio ;)
[18:37] <Chillum> buZz: nice! With a custom board that will be nice and compact too
[18:37] <Tenkawa> buZz: mods are fun
[18:37] <Chillum> just what the zero needs
[18:37] <buZz> Chillum: you didnt see the link i posted earlier?
[18:37] <buZz> 18:33:10 < buZz> https://hackaday.io/project/8678-rpi-wifi-hat
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[18:37] <megabut> thanks [Saint]
[18:38] <buZz> i gotta finish up my zero protoboard and get the boards made ..
[18:38] <buZz> wish i understood kicad a bit more ;)
[18:38] <Chillum> neat
[18:38] <Tenkawa> I have a feeling I might be getting more zero's once they are avail again here
[18:39] * [Saint] wonders how many companies are actually making of of the 'dial-a-pi-layout' feature.
[18:39] <Chillum> I am getting 10 as soon as I can get 10 for $50 (plus reasonable shipping)
[18:39] <brianx> alternatively, you can network a zero over usb.
[18:39] <[Saint]> it'll be interesting to see wildly differing pi layouts popup.
[18:39] <Chillum> brianx: that is so neat, I have already ordered a hub
[18:39] <Tenkawa> my biggest inconvenience is carrying around an hdmi screen
[18:39] <Tenkawa> everything else is tiny
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[18:40] <Chillum> I am looking at this: http://www.ebay.ca/itm/272006732138 expensive, but it looks well made
[18:40] <Tenkawa> if only hdmi was bidrectional
[18:40] <brianx> Chillum: mine is connected directly to the back of my wifi router/firewall. provides power and data over one cable.
[18:40] <Chillum> since the screen/buttons are flush with the ethernet port it uses almost no extra space
[18:40] <buZz> [Saint]: what are you referring to ?
[18:40] <buZz> [Saint]: re"
[18:40] <Tenkawa> I'd hoook it up to this box and lets it output go through a tty on this machine
[18:40] <Chillum> Tenkawa: hdmi is bidirectional
[18:40] <buZz> [Saint]: re: 'dial a pi'
[18:40] <Chillum> for example CEC allows me to send remote signals from the TV to the pi
[18:40] <Tenkawa> Chillum: oh it is?
[18:41] <[Saint]> buZz: RPF at some stage started offering custom board layouts in (assumedly) large batches.
[18:41] <buZz> doesnt hdmi also contain ethernet nowadays
[18:41] <Tenkawa> interesting... I might be able to output it to this display then
[18:41] <buZz> [Saint]: oh like that, havent seen any
[18:41] <Tenkawa> buZz: good point
[18:41] <[Saint]> But I haven't actually seen any in the wild or know if anyone actually used that.
[18:41] <Tenkawa> I might have options afterall not to need another display
[18:41] <buZz> i wouldnt use broadcom
[18:41] <buZz> if i was making a custom board
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[18:41] <[Saint]> no BCM, no pi. I would assume.
[18:41] <buZz> i'd rather have some willing company that actually offers documentation ;)
[18:42] <buZz> [Saint]: good :P
[18:42] <[Saint]> RPF is pretty heavily fellating BCM, and vice versa.
[18:42] <buZz> yeah
[18:42] <buZz> if $whatshisname didnt work at boredcom, there would be no RPF
[18:42] <[Saint]> a big 'ol "holy crap, what do we do with this silicon!?!" circlejerk.
[18:43] <buZz> luckily, there -are- companies that arent as uptight ;)
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[18:43] <[Saint]> MediaTek!
[18:43] * [Saint] runs
[18:43] <buZz> with chips you can just buy 1-10 of without having to sign any NDA
[18:43] <buZz> etc
[18:44] <[Saint]> I would laugh my ass off if there was ever an MTK based pi.
[18:44] <[Saint]> Out of the frying pan, into the fire, as it were.
[18:44] <buZz> they do exist
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[18:45] <[Saint]> for non-standard definitions of 'pi'.
[18:45] <buZz> i assume you just ment 'single board computers'
[18:45] <buZz> cause thats all it is
[18:45] <[Saint]> Well, no. I tend to think not.
[18:45] <buZz> what else then?
[18:45] <[Saint]> The pi is more holistic.
[18:46] <[Saint]> The sum of all its parts, community, and direction, included.
[18:46] <heller_> anyone have ideas how to make easy handling of multiple ds18b20? I mean when you have many of them, how to keep track what is where?
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[18:46] <heller_> do i need to save addresses before installing them?
[18:46] <[Saint]> not just some vendor crapping out an SBC 'cos reasons.
[18:46] <SpeedEvil> heller_: they all have unique IDs
[18:46] <buZz> [Saint]: yeah we as an entire community get buttraped by boredcom
[18:46] <SpeedEvil> heller_: ideally
[18:46] <buZz> [Saint]: i dont really see whats holistic about that :P
[18:46] <[Saint]> I didn't say the implementation was good!
[18:46] <[Saint]> Just the idea. ;)
[18:47] <buZz> linux-sunxi has a more productive community imho
[18:47] <buZz> and allwinner embraces them
[18:47] <SpeedEvil> heller_: make a breadboard thingy to read them
[18:47] <SpeedEvil> heller_: over what sort of area?
[18:47] <[Saint]> allwinner can go die in a fire.
[18:47] <SpeedEvil> I wish the microlan coupler wasn't nonexistant.
[18:48] <heller_> SpeedEvil: so basically i have to read the ID before installing?
[18:49] <SpeedEvil> heller_: 'yes'
[18:49] <SpeedEvil> you can of course, heat every probe, and see which one gets hot.
[18:49] <heller_> sure
[18:49] <heller_> did that once
[18:49] <heller_> didnt like it :D
[18:49] <SpeedEvil> Or connect one per bus
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[18:49] <heller_> after installing them, i noticed the ID was not the ID i thought it
[18:49] <heller_> glad i had a cold bottle of water with me :D
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[18:53] <SpeedEvil> You don't need to tag them with the full ID of course
[18:53] <SpeedEvil> just a n-digit number/letter and note down the full ID
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[19:00] <Tzic> so does this exagear thing actually work or is it just a $$ version of qemu
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[19:03] <heller_> SpeedEvil: right
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[19:05] <Tenkawa> woohoo
[19:05] <Tenkawa> my pi zero should be at the house
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[19:07] <brianx> sweet.
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[19:07] <Tenkawa> yeah now I'm trying to figure out which of these wifi modules to go get
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[19:08] <brianx> lots of choices, many with tradeoffs. this hat with exp8266 looks nice but a bunch of work.
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[19:09] <Tenkawa> i just want to give my zero wifi via something besides usb
[19:09] <Tenkawa> just need to determine which one works well
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[19:09] <Tenkawa> oooh hello
[19:09] <brianx> the esp8266 hat thingy is the only one i've seen that has no usb element to it.
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[19:10] <Tenkawa> anyone seen the adafruit huzzah esp8266?
[19:10] <Tenkawa> it looks like it has a lot of potential
[19:10] <Tenkawa> plenty in stock here and reasonably priced
[19:11] <Tenkawa> even has an antenna
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[19:11] <brianx> how would your zero talk to it?
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[19:12] <Tenkawa> oh.. yeah now I see... its pin only
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[19:12] <Chillum> I want to make a hat with built in wifi and GPS. Make it a war walking hat
[19:12] <Chillum> for kismet
[19:12] <brianx> lol Chillum. sounds fun.
[19:12] <gordonDrogon> it's an SPI device - ought to work? Maybe? There is an SPI Ethernet dongle workin on the Zero: http://raspi.tv/2015/ethernet-on-pi-zero-how-to-put-an-ethernet-port-on-your-pi
[19:12] <Tenkawa> wellshoot
[19:13] <Chillum> I have a low power GPS module, and since kismet only listens it does not use a lot of wifi power
[19:13] <Chillum> so the whole thing should run for about a day off a decent sized USB battery
[19:13] <Tenkawa> i just want to find a wifi module I can run on this thing
[19:13] <Tenkawa> of course the one thats gpio ready is sold out
[19:13] <Chillum> should be nice and light for my quadcopter too!
[19:14] <brianx> Tenkawa: usb wifi is the easy answer. it performs ok and unless you have another really demanding usb function, it's not like usb is all that much of a bottleneck.
[19:14] <Tenkawa> "if" i get lucky in time theres 1 left of another goio based board here
[19:15] <Tenkawa> brianx: i was going to however I wanted to use usb for dvb/tv
[19:15] <Chillum> I hpe the next pi zero has integrated wifi
[19:15] <Tenkawa> Chillum: doubtful
[19:15] <IT_Sean> ^ that
[19:15] <Chillum> it would make them so much more useful
[19:15] <IT_Sean> No Pi, ever, has had onboard wifi. Too much overhead.
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[19:15] <brianx> Tenkawa: ahh, that might be a really demanding usb function.
[19:16] <Tenkawa> indeed
[19:16] <Chillum> both size and cost are tiny for wifi
[19:16] <heller_> anyone know about snmp? how can i test my router, does it have snmp?
[19:16] <Tenkawa> thats why if I can offload wifi to gpio then that would be best
[19:16] <brianx> Chillum: someone here mentioned the reason for no wifi on the pi might be certification.
[19:16] <Chillum> I have a $4 dongle remvoed from its case taped to the side of a Pi right now
[19:16] <Chillum> certification is a good point
[19:17] <IT_Sean> Chillum: part cost and size is tiny, but, the process to go through the certifications necessaary is nither easy not cheap.
[19:17] <Tenkawa> thats very location specific isnt it too?
[19:17] <IT_Sean> that is why the Pi has no wifi
[19:17] <Chillum> internationalization would be an issue if any transmitter
[19:17] <IT_Sean> that ^
[19:17] <IT_Sean> Tenkawa: yes, it is very location specific
[19:17] <Tenkawa> yeah that would make it a logistical mess
[19:17] <Tenkawa> for approvals/etc
[19:17] <IT_Sean> There would have to be a US version of the Pi, an EU version, an AP version, etc... All with different wifi firmwares.
[19:17] <Tenkawa> yep
[19:17] <gordonDrogon> if it had wi-fi it would need a hub chip - the usual hub chip also provids ethernet - it would just add too much to the cost in terms of board space if nothing else.
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[19:18] <brianx> Tenkawa: ethernet on gpio is probably going to be really slow. possibly with the exception of that esp8266 project you linked a bit ago. unfortunately, that project involves removing/disabling the flash chip and is probably not very easy.
[19:18] <gordonDrogon> Ethernet on GPIO: http://raspi.tv/2015/ethernet-on-pi-zero-how-to-put-an-ethernet-port-on-your-pi
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[19:18] <gordonDrogon> it is slow though.
[19:20] <brianx> gordonDrogon: yeah, several projects like that out there. seems all are slow. not sure about speed on this one but it uses the hardware SP interface: https://hackaday.io/post/28712
[19:20] <brianx> err, SP==SD or SDIO
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[19:21] <Tenkawa> I dont want to do ethernet... wifi only
[19:22] <Tenkawa> I'm trying to get completely away from ethernet
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[19:22] <brianx> yuck, but many wired projects have parallels in wireless projects.
[19:23] <gordonDrogon> brianx, yea - intersting, but one of those otg->A USb converters and normal wi-fi dongle seems to do the trick for me - until I want a keyboard on one that is...
[19:23] <Anorion> O_O
[19:23] <Anorion> I'm actually trying to do the opposite
[19:24] <Anorion> I want everything wired
[19:24] <gordonDrogon> https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0174/1800/products/usb-shim-4_1024x1024.jpg?v=1448626398
[19:24] <brianx> gordonDrogon: yeah... i've elected to go headless only on the zero for that reason.
[19:24] <Anorion> cat5 all the rooms
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[19:24] <Tenkawa> I just realized I need to bootstrap a build for my new pi zero
[19:24] <Tenkawa> heheh
[19:24] <brianx> Anorion: i'm with you. i have wifi only for devices that have to move or are too hard to wire.
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[19:24] <gordonDrogon> Anorion, I did that when I moved here - 14 years back. put cat 5 in all the rooms that mattered. Now I have 3 access ponits ...
[19:25] <gordonDrogon> technolgoy has moved on ...
[19:25] <Anorion> ehh
[19:25] <gordonDrogon> I will still use wired for my desktop/laptop when I can though.
[19:25] <Anorion> I like streaming 4k movies
[19:25] <Anorion> from my media server
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[19:25] <gordonDrogon> I don't have a media server, so that's not an issue here.
[19:25] * brianx is too old to use 4k for video. can't see it. i do want 4k on my desktop though.
[19:26] <Anorion> I'm also a computational scientist, so network throughput is a pet peeve
[19:26] <brianx> oh, you'd hate my system then. hehehe
[19:26] <Tenkawa> brianx: I'm too old, colorblind, and can't see 3d so i predominately use black/white low res only anyway
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[19:26] <Tenkawa> heheh
[19:27] <gordonDrogon> I still have a tube TV ...
[19:27] <brianx> ouch.
[19:27] <Tenkawa> gordonDrogon: i have a tv however dont watch it
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[19:27] <Anorion> I have one old 10baseT device, still, and thank goodness for OpenWRT's customizabilty
[19:27] <brianx> technically, i have a monitor. no tuners in this house. no cable, no antenna.
[19:28] * Tenkawa should get out one of his old x.25 units and see if it still works
[19:28] <gordonDrogon> one day the tube will die, and I'll replace it, but ...
[19:28] <Tenkawa> nah....
[19:28] <Anorion> I get you
[19:28] <Anorion> my 10bT device is a print server
[19:28] <Anorion> it works, why replace it
[19:28] <Tenkawa> indeed
[19:28] * brianx picks up his smart phone and sends an sms message. there, i used x.25.
[19:28] <Anorion> this is the heart of the OSS world, imo
[19:28] <Anorion> lol
[19:29] <Anorion> I still have a few (working) IBM VT101s'
[19:29] <Anorion> one amber and one white
[19:29] <Anorion> my green one, unfortunately, died
[19:29] <Tenkawa> brianx: if anything that would be x.25 over tcp/ip right?
[19:30] <Anorion> I ought to wire one up with a pi inside...
[19:30] <mlelstv> x.25 over tcp/ip is strange
[19:30] <brianx> Tenkawa: that depends on the carrier. i use sprint so it is real x.25 and not over ip.
[19:30] <Tenkawa> mlelstv: indeed......
[19:30] <Tenkawa> brianx: I use to work on it... telecom infrastructure
[19:30] <Tenkawa> but that was 20 years ago
[19:30] <Tenkawa> nsap, etc
[19:31] <brianx> x.25 is used as a compatibility layer. phone companies never change.
[19:31] <Tenkawa> indeed
[19:31] <brianx> Tenkawa: that's about my generation too.
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[19:31] * Tenkawa thinks of old tech like asn.1
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[19:32] * Tenkawa still remembers coding assembly by hand though heheheheh
[19:32] <TrekBike> Fortran 77
[19:33] <Tenkawa> oh joy
[19:33] <gordonDrogon> i860 dual instruction mode. lost a few brain cells to that one.
[19:33] <Tenkawa> gordonDrogon: fortunately i missed out on that one
[19:33] <brianx> Tenkawa: been there, done that. z80 on 16 key.
[19:33] <Tenkawa> my scary one was assembly on ncr svr4
[19:34] <gordonDrogon> transputer was an amusing one to play with too.
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[19:38] <Anorion> MOS 6502 asm and z80, here
[19:39] <Anorion> tried learning 8088, but meh, C was better, by then
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[19:39] <gordonDrogon> 6502 was the first assembler I did. (Apple II).
[19:39] <Anorion> C=64, for me
[19:39] <Anorion> was far too poor for one uh them fancee apple jobbers
[19:39] <gordonDrogon> I did a lot of 8080 once too.
[19:40] <gordonDrogon> I couldn't afford one either, but school had one - then I got a BBC Micro which was also 6502.
[19:40] <TrekBike> I had to do 68k assembly in college for one course. We did it using an emulator.
[19:40] <fluffet> i've done motorola 68k too
[19:40] <gordonDrogon> I did some pdp11 just for fun too. I had access to a pdp11/40 running unix at one point.
[19:41] <gordonDrogon> uny has Primes - and as did Prime Macro Assembler. I do not know why, but there you are. What a waste of more brain cells.
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[19:42] <gordonDrogon> one of the oddest was a summer job re-writing a program on an Eliot 903 in SIR - (Symbolic Input Routing) a sort of assembler for it. c1966 "mini" computer.
[19:44] <TrekBike> VMs make backup so easy, if you can shut down the VM.
[19:45] <Tenkawa> I wish they had emulators back when i was in school
[19:46] <Tenkawa> however i was a little before that time
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[19:48] <TrekBike> Didn't Microsoft do some of the early BASIC ports using emulators.
[19:49] <buZz> no
[19:50] <buZz> but yeah, emulation of cpus has been around since the 60s
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[19:50] <HoloPed> Does anyone know of a AC power socket that can be controlled via serial or Ethernet?
[19:50] <TrekBike> I thought i had read that somewhere but things do tend to blur together.
[19:50] <TrekBike> Holo: Like some of the X10 or ZWave stuff
[19:50] <Spiffy> HoloPed: I think I have seen some, with an usb thing
[19:50] <brianx> if by port, you mean pirating, then yes they did. our microsoft basic interpreter still had copyright messages from dartmouth in it.
[19:51] <Tenkawa> buZz: software emulation for the common user has not been around near that long though
[19:51] <buZz> there was no difference Tenkawa
[19:51] <buZz> back in the 60s, -all- users were root
[19:51] <HoloPed> TrekBike, yeah , but looking for something that is simple, doesnt need a hub or to implement some fancy protocol
[19:52] <Tenkawa> buZz: i mean emulating another cpu on common hardware ie emulating mips on a trs-80
[19:52] <TrekBike> All the stuff I've seen is either X10 or ZWave
[19:52] <Tenkawa> that wasnt around
[19:52] <buZz> Tenkawa: yep
[19:52] <buZz> Tenkawa: that was around
[19:52] <TrekBike> There are libraries that implement those protocols for you.
[19:52] <Tenkawa> where?
[19:52] <Tenkawa> not anywhere i remember being able to acquire at home
[19:53] <buZz> in those days you didnt have a computer at home
[19:53] <buZz> nobody did
[19:53] <buZz> unless your house was ~4x house size
[19:53] <Tenkawa> I did in the 70's and that still wasnt readily avail
[19:53] <Tenkawa> thats my point
[19:53] <TrekBike> you might have a terminal with an acoustic coupler modem?
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[19:53] <Tenkawa> is home user
[19:54] <Tenkawa> I think the first non-commercial alternative I can think of was qemu
[19:54] <Tenkawa> any other useable ones before that?
[19:54] <TrekBike> BOCHS
[19:55] <Tenkawa> ah yes bochs
[19:55] <Tenkawa> good point
[19:55] <Tenkawa> that was painful
[19:56] <Tenkawa> oh joy.. more snow... (third time today)
[19:56] <TrekBike> The Amiga had a lot of emulators to run MacOS and Atari apps. Granted they had a cost, and required ROMs from the emulated system.
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[19:59] <Tenkawa> who was that typing earlier that has a pi zero?
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[19:59] <buZz> i have a couple
[19:59] <brianx> i have one
[20:00] <Tenkawa> quick prep question.. Can I take a pi2 boot/rootfs sd and replace the kernel and use it? (I assume the pi2's kernel wont be right fir it)
[20:00] <Tenkawa> er for
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[20:00] <buZz> Tenkawa: as long as you didnt install armhf binaries
[20:00] <brianx> the pi2 kernel in raspbian is compatible to the zero.
[20:00] <Tenkawa> it cant run armhf?
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[20:01] <Tenkawa> well darn..all my stuff is debian armhf
[20:01] <buZz> i ment armv7
[20:01] <buZz> :P
[20:01] <Tenkawa> ahhh
[20:01] <Tenkawa> wheew
[20:01] <brianx> debian armhf is armv7 and not compatible to the a, b, b+ or zero.
[20:01] <buZz> > In practice armel will be used for older CPUs (armv4t, armv5, armv6), and armhf for newer CPUs (armv7+VFP).
[20:02] <Tenkawa> well crap
[20:02] <buZz> thus yeah
[20:02] <Tenkawa> time to debootstrap
[20:02] <brianx> raspbian is armv6 and compatible to all pi flavors.
[20:02] <Tenkawa> i prefer standard debian
[20:03] <brianx> Tenkawa: i do too, but it doesn't work on the zero.
[20:03] <Tenkawa> I'm just odd
[20:03] <Tenkawa> ok.. I'll give raspban another go
[20:03] <Tenkawa> er raspbian
[20:03] <brianx> there are a few armv6 flavors out there. from raspbian to pidora.
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[20:04] <brianx> (pidora is out of date)
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[20:05] <Tenkawa> hmmm maybe I should throw slackware on this one
[20:05] <Tenkawa> since I seem to recall it was built for armv6
[20:05] <brianx> didn't know there was an armv6 slackware.
[20:05] <Tenkawa> and I like slackware
[20:05] <Tenkawa> i could be wrong
[20:06] <jda2000> Does anybody know the trick to getting the latest tweepy from gethub to install & run?
[20:06] <Tenkawa> let me doublecheck
[20:06] <brianx> slack was my very first distro. used it for days.
[20:06] <Tenkawa> I used it for years
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[20:06] <Tenkawa> started on it back in 93-94 timeframe
[20:07] <jda2000> On raspbian?
[20:07] <TrekBike> My distro was slackware back in the mid 90's
[20:07] <Tenkawa> armv5te would work on the zero right?
[20:07] <brianx> it was pretty primitive back at version 2.3. july 1995 release.
[20:07] <TrekBike> My first distro...
[20:07] <Tenkawa> brianx: it was still prerelease when i got my start
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[20:08] <brianx> Tenkawa: redhat (the one now fedora) was so much more complete and further developed back then.
[20:08] <Tenkawa> yep
[20:09] <Tenkawa> I agree
[20:09] <Tenkawa> however costlyt
[20:09] <Tenkawa> er costly
[20:09] <Tenkawa> (at least the one that I had access to)
[20:09] <TrekBike> You could download redhat for free back then. When I got annoyed with Slackware (A disks, N disks, S disks, etc), I switched to redhat.
[20:09] <brianx> i think i got my first redhat for like $30. went for the oss variant shortly thereafter.
[20:10] <Tenkawa> TrekBike: support...'
[20:10] <Tenkawa> which was required where i used it
[20:10] <brianx> Tenkawa: the forums were still open to the public. i tried to use redhat support, that's why i dropped paying for it.
[20:10] <TrekBike> I used the non-supported version of RHAT 5 to replace a Novell 3.1.2 server
[20:11] <Tenkawa> TrekBike: nice
[20:11] <Tenkawa> evengtually i convinced the company to use slackware then debian then it became much easier
[20:11] <TrekBike> I bought RHEL once about 5 years ago. The one time I tried to use support, it was pretty worthless.
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[20:11] <Tenkawa> TrekBike: heheh
[20:12] <brianx> unfortunately, support has been their selling point forever and they've never been very good at it.
[20:12] <Tenkawa> wow now its sunny out
[20:12] <TrekBike> The vendor would only certify that the app would run on RHEL 5. (The support had nothing to do with the third party app, the support was for configuring something in the system. I don't recally the detais.)
[20:12] <Tenkawa> the weather just cant make up its mind here
[20:12] <Tenkawa> (never can)
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[20:12] <Tenkawa> TrekBike: yeah I had that fight too a few times
[20:13] <Tenkawa> the placw i was at then would not buy software unless it was "certified" with specific products
[20:13] <Tenkawa> er place
[20:13] <TrekBike> I had a phone system vendor that would only certify their product on an expensie version of VMWare.
[20:13] <shinji257> That seems pretty typical even now. Support doesn't usually support 3rd party stuff unless you can, beyond any doubt, prove that their software is the culprit.
[20:13] <Tenkawa> TrekBike: yep... I've experienced that in telecom too
[20:14] <Tenkawa> I dont miss those aspects of teleciom
[20:14] <TrekBike> It was ShoreTel. Whoever designed their database, I don't know what they were smoking but, it can't have been legal.
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[20:19] <gordonDrogon> HoloPed, Did you get a reply? There are some that have a USB interface to let you remotely turn them on/off ...
[20:19] <HoloPed> I found something, yeah. thanks.
[20:20] <Tenkawa> Anyone tried a camera input interface into a pi zero yet?
[20:20] <Tenkawa> if so how well does it work?
[20:20] <TrekBike> I've been wondering the same thing
[20:21] <buZz> it doesnt have CSI
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[20:21] <buZz> if you want to know how well USB works, look at raspi1 ;)
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[20:27] <Tenkawa> i've got so many different arm cpu's now its getting "interesting" on my build machine (exynos box) to keep environments for all of them
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[20:28] <Tenkawa> oh and a mips cross compile environment too
[20:28] <buZz> have a ARM1 yet?
[20:28] <buZz> pluck them acorns while they last
[20:28] <Tenkawa> whats an example box that uses it?
[20:28] <Tenkawa> I dont think i do
[20:28] <buZz> the acorn
[20:28] <Tenkawa> no
[20:29] <buZz> booo :)
[20:29] <Tenkawa> oh thats an old old arm
[20:29] <buZz> its the first ;)
[20:29] <buZz> hence the 1
[20:29] <Tenkawa> yeah... I'm trying to "not" acquire any more older boxes
[20:29] <Tenkawa> have too many as it is
[20:32] <Tenkawa> think 30F packaged will be warm enough not to damage a pi zero sitting for a few hours?
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[20:32] <Tenkawa> the temp is 30 right now and my shipment is sitting in it
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[20:34] <knob> Hello! Any good USB wifi adapters you can suggest? I have two generic ones, and they are craptastic.
[20:34] <TrekBike> Tenkawa: Where are you?
[20:34] <knob> I don't mind price much.
[20:35] <Tenkawa> TrekBike: midwest usa
[20:35] <TrekBike> I spent a week in Kansas over christmas. I was sick the whole time. Couldn't wait to get back to Florida.
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[20:36] <Tenkawa> TrekBike: I spent half my life in the south... much warmer and consistent
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[20:37] <Tenkawa> it changes every 20 minutes over here
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[20:42] <brianx> Tenkawa: my pi came in a little ziplock silverized bag. remove the box, don't open the ziplock until it's warmed for an hour and no issues. open it immediately and you might get condensation but even that probably won't cause problems.
[20:42] <brianx> Tenkawa: chicagoland, or elsewhere?
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[21:17] <buZz> omg sweet; https://twitter.com/mikered/status/684103578437431297
[21:17] <buZz> > #PiZero works out of the box with a chromecast ethernet PSU... one cable... https://store.google.com/product/ethernet_adapter_for_chromecast
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[21:18] <Encrypt> Hum
[21:18] <Encrypt> But then it is backpowered, wrong?
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[21:24] <buZz> yep, backpowered
[21:25] <buZz> its not wrong perse, its wrong to have two different powersupplies feeding into the circuit
[21:25] <Encrypt> Hum
[21:25] <buZz> its not really recommended, because its so easy to get wrong
[21:25] <buZz> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2yFh7Vv0Paw
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[21:25] <buZz> EEVblog #831 - Power A Micro With No Power Pin!
[21:25] <Encrypt> But there should be a kind of thermistor to prevent short-circuit and so on on the power USB plug
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[21:25] <buZz> no, there is a diode
[21:26] <buZz> but on the zero, its only on the 'power usb' one
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[21:26] <buZz> not on gpio 5v or the other usb port
[21:26] <buZz> just like on old pi1
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[21:27] <Morcegolas> Hi again guys, I'm still trying to run DataExplorer http://www.nongnu.org/dataexplorer/ that is a java program built for linux x32 & x64 but as there is the source there is it possible for me to build this for raspberry?
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[21:32] <Morcegolas> If anybody can help me I'll be apreciated, Thanks! ;)
[21:33] <buZz> there is rxtx for arm
[21:33] <buZz> but no clue what swt is
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[21:35] <buZz> oh some widget things .. hmm it doesnt seem very arm happy
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[21:42] <jda2000> Does anybody know the trick to getting the latest tweepy from gethub to install & run on raspbian?
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[21:45] <Berg> read the README?
[21:45] <Berg> sorry i dont know
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[21:53] <methuzla> jda2000 why doesn't what's in the readme work?
[21:53] <methuzla> jda2000 assuming you're talking about this: https://github.com/tweepy/tweepy
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[22:06] <jda2000> methuzla: Ias there a paste bin?
[22:06] <jda2000> methuzla: Is there a paste bin?
[22:07] <methuzla> there are many
[22:07] <jda2000> The istall goes ok but I get "NameError: global name 'false' is not defined" and it dies.
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[22:08] <methuzla> sounds like a bug, in python the global is False (and python is case sensitive)
[22:09] <jda2000> http://pastebin.com/tfMqHWvb
[22:09] <jda2000> methuzla: http://pastebin.com/tfMqHWvb
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[22:14] <jda2000> methuzla: I've tried apt-get, pip, pip3.2 and git + python[3] setup.py install. Nothing results in a working tweepy.
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[22:14] <jda2000> Is there a way to find a last know working version for raspbian?
[22:15] <jda2000> apt-get kind of worked but that version of tweepy apparently does not do streaming.
[22:16] <jda2000> plus python-tweepy-doc is practically useless. loading index.html in firefox does not result in ability to see api documentation.
[22:19] <jda2000> I'm basically following the example on page 22-23 of October edition of Raspberry Pi Tips Tricks & Hacks.
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[22:20] <jda2000> Although everything works fine on Ubuntu.
[22:20] <jda2000> But I really want it to run on Raspberry Pi.
[22:23] <jda2000> Although everything works fine on Ubuntu. -- Obviously w/o the GPIO stuff.
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[22:29] <methuzla> jda2000 i've never used tweepy, so don't know much about potential bugs or issues or how to correctly use it
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[22:31] <jda2000> But in general, if you pull the latest thing from github and it doesn't work, is there a way to find a stable version?
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[22:33] <methuzla> totally depends on the developers how they are using github
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[22:33] <jda2000> afk...
[22:34] <methuzla> but maybe try one of the "releases": https://github.com/tweepy/tweepy/releases
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[23:17] <NahUndFern> Hey guys. I set up avahi daemon on the pi, however i can't seem to ssh in using the user@raspihostname.local for some reason. How should i go about fixing this?
[23:18] <NahUndFern> I can get in with the ip address, just not the hostname.local
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[23:23] <chesty> can you ssh in using you ip then ping hostname.local ?
[23:25] <NahUndFern> it returns ping: icmp open socket: Operation not permitted
[23:26] <chesty> oh right, that's a bug, try sudo ping hostname.local
[23:26] <brianx> NahUndFern: jessie has a permissions problem on the ping command.
[23:27] <brianx> sudo setcap cap_net_raw=ep /bin/ping
[23:27] <brianx> is the command to resolve it.
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[23:28] <brianx> (won't resolve your name resolution problem)
[23:28] <NahUndFern> chesty, Yes, sudo pinging it works
[23:28] <chesty> i don't NahUndFern, it could be your desktop then?
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[23:30] <NahUndFern> chesty, I think it could be my DNS maybe. When I'm connected through a VPN the DNS becomes a private one. Because i also noticed since then nmap doesn't show my hostnames anymore, just the addresses
[23:31] <NahUndFern> me hostnames*
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[23:31] <NahUndFern> brianx, Thanks
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[23:32] <brianx> np NahUndFern. took me some time to track that down when it bit me a couple days ago.
[23:33] <NahUndFern> chesty, So since the DNS changes from one that is not my router, could it be the reason for this hostname problem?
[23:35] <brianx> that name.local stuff isn't real dns, it's some apple thing. look at bonjour.
[23:44] <NahUndFern> brianx, I'm not familiar with that
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[23:44] <NahUndFern> brianx, I saw online that avahi daemon does this too?
[23:45] <brianx> yes, that's a linux implementation. you need some form of mdns or bonjour on every system that is going to participate in your .local naming stuff.
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[23:46] <brianx> me, i'll just kill .local and mdns and bonjour and avahi whenever i find it.
[23:46] <brianx> real dns works well and is easy to manage.
[23:47] <NahUndFern> brianx, Sorry could you elaborate a little more about what you mean regarding killing. local/avahi and using real dns?
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[23:49] <brianx> my router has a small dns cache and server that is part of it's dhcp services. it allows me to set a hostname on any computer that uses dhcp for configuration and it will then share that name to all other clients using dhcp.
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[23:50] <brianx> this is how naming on small home networks has been done for a decade or more. bonjour was a solution for a problem that didn't exist.
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[23:51] <NahUndFern> brianx, I think that is normally the same with me. Although when connected using not my ISPs default DNS, that stops working
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[23:52] <brianx> most routers allow you to choose the dns service you wish to use in their configuration. if you change dns at the client, it breaks local dns but if you change it at the router, you can use whoever's dns you wish.
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[23:56] <meiamsome> You should be able to set your isp/router dns as a secondary DNS and I think it will fallback to it, not entirely sure though
[23:56] <brianx> if you use the caching dns server in your router and just reconfigure the router to your preferred dns provider, all your devices will then use your preferred dns provider.
[23:56] <meiamsome> That would indeed be how I'd do it
[23:58] <NahUndFern> Hmm.. I'd have to make sure if that would be fine with everyone else in the house before i changed router DNS. However, thanks for the advice, I'll look into trying that out if i can

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