#raspberrypi IRC Log


IRC Log for 2016-01-05

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[0:22] <ElectronicsGuy> Hello
[0:23] <ElectronicsGuy> What kind of gas guage/charge monitor chip I would need for the Raspi 2 Model B using a 5000maH 3.7v battery converted to 37000maH 5v?
[0:23] <ElectronicsGuy> I want to be able to get the battery level information to the raspberry pi 2 model b
[0:23] <ElectronicsGuy> How can I do this?
[0:24] <brianx> ElectronicsGuy: you'll need an external ADC. the pi has no ADC ports.
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[0:26] <ElectronicsGuy> brianx: What is an ADC?
[0:26] <brianx> analog to digital converter.
[0:27] <jancoow> and you have to create a voltage divider
[0:27] <jancoow> oh wait.. voltages are already in range between 0 - 3.7v
[0:27] <jancoow> nvm!
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[0:30] <ElectronicsGuy> brianx: What do I need an ADC?
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[0:30] <Berg> http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_nkw=adc ElectronicsGuy
[0:30] <ElectronicsGuy> brianx: Is the ADC an alternativeto the chip?
[0:31] <Berg> analoge to digital
[0:31] <ElectronicsGuy> brianx: Thank's I will read that
[0:31] <brianx> ElectronicsGuy: an adc is a chip.
[0:31] <ElectronicsGuy> Berg: Thank's I will read that
[0:32] <ElectronicsGuy> brianx: Oh cool, So I am taking the analog voltage and converting it to Digital and then reading from the Pi 2 model b?
[0:32] <pksato> ADC is a way to convert continuum value to discrete numbers.
[0:32] <Berg> that is a list if modules on ebay as example
[0:32] <pksato> not necessary a chip, or integrate circuit.
[0:33] <brianx> pksato: true, but clearly a beginner so best a chip. that ebay is going to be a challenge enough.
[0:34] <ElectronicsGuy> pksato: I see, so how do I connect it to the Pi?
[0:34] <ElectronicsGuy> Berg: I see the list, that should be a great selection, thanks
[0:34] <pksato> have lots of lots chips that do ADC.
[0:34] <pksato> lots of way to transfer data.
[0:35] <ElectronicsGuy> So I am taking the voltage from the battery and then converting it to a digital signal which I then feed to the Pi?
[0:35] <ElectronicsGuy> Which the pi can then read and find out the battery voltage left?
[0:36] <pksato> not do what.
[0:37] <pksato> no one know that is remain capacity of battery, it is not like a car fuel tank.
[0:37] <ElectronicsGuy> pksato: Oh I see. What data do you get?
[0:38] <Berg> if you 12v lead acid battery is at 31.20 volts it is full if it is at 12.20votls it has 20% used
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[0:38] <pksato> voltage drop across time.
[0:39] <Berg> so useed voltage is what you work off
[0:39] <pksato> that result in discharge rate.
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[0:40] <Berg> 13.20
[0:40] <Berg> big typo sory
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[0:40] <Berg> i had a dog named volts he died of overcharge
[0:40] <Berg> poor dog
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[0:41] <pksato> battery remain charge is done by estimation.
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[0:41] <Berg> remaining usdable
[0:41] <Berg> usable
[0:41] <ElectronicsGuy> Berg: Oh cool, so it is giving me the dropped voltage?
[0:42] <ElectronicsGuy> pksato: ^^
[0:42] <Berg> it will give you what voltage the battery has
[0:42] <Berg> your maths will give you the umount of drop
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[0:45] <pksato> also, a battery monitor chip can be used on place of 'discrete' ADC
[0:45] <ElectronicsGuy> Berg: Oh cool, so if my battery has 11v remaining from 12v the ADC would send the value of 1v to Raspberry Pi?
[0:45] <ElectronicsGuy> pksato: Why do you use a battery monitor chip?
[0:45] <ElectronicsGuy> Is that for safety stuff?
[0:46] <pksato> like DS2438
[0:47] <pksato> and more complex chip like ones have inside smart battery pack.
[0:47] <ElectronicsGuy> pksato: http://datasheets.maximintegrated.com/en/ds/DS2438.pdf?
[0:47] <pksato> I dont know how to use.
[0:47] <pksato> fisrt need to read datasheet, and think a lot.
[0:47] <ElectronicsGuy> Is that an alternative with more features or another chip to use with the ADC?
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[0:50] <pksato> https://www.sparkfun.com/products/10617
[0:51] <ElectronicsGuy> pksato: I read the information onthe data sheet, it sounds like the perfect chip! Only problem is I don't know how I will connect it to the Central Processing Unit on the Pi 2 Model B. Do you guy know how I could do that?
[0:53] <pksato> NO.
[0:53] <pksato> Not now.
[0:53] <ElectronicsGuy> pksato: That looks great too! Only problem is I have the battery connected in another board via JST 2 pin connector
[0:53] <ElectronicsGuy> pksato: Alright, thanks for all your help!
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[0:54] <ElectronicsGuy> Lol Berg :D
[0:54] <ElectronicsGuy> Thanks for your help too man
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[0:55] <niston> Beolab 90 speaker has 8200 watts of amplification
[0:55] <niston> this means it will blow the breaker on a standard electrical outlet
[0:56] <niston> which, around here, can deliver 3680 watts max
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[1:00] <jda2000> methuzla: Thanks! That's a really great suggestion. I guess I only have to go back to mid 2015.
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[1:09] <jdownie> Has anybody ever tried switching to olwm or olvwm on raspbian?
[1:14] <Anoia> does anyone know any Windows media players that can handle raw h.264 files (recorded by raspivid)?
[1:17] <ElectronicsGuy> Hello, how do you read/extract the voltage value from a ADC to a Pi or is it not standardized?
[1:18] <ElectronicsGuy> Also I only have pins 27 - 40 available now. Can I still use a ADC? IMage of RasPi 2 Model B pinout https://ms-iot.github.io/content/images/PinMappings/RP2_Pinout.png
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[1:19] <methuzla> ElectronicsGuy not standardized, depends on what ADC you have, can be i2c, spi, serial, proprietary oddball digital, or other
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[1:21] <ElectronicsGuy> methuzla: Is there such thing as GPIO ADC? Reason is because I only have pins 27 - 40 left. ONly GPIOs, ground, and Reserved pns there
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[1:23] <Anoia> so, analogue to Xbit paralell?
[1:25] <methuzla> ElectronicsGuy possibly, but i don't know
[1:25] <methuzla> ElectronicsGuy what's taking up your i2c and spi pins?
[1:27] <ali1234> Anoia: vlc should be able to play it
[1:28] <Anoia> that's what I hoped but sadly not
[1:28] <yoosi> ]['
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[1:29] <ali1234> ElectronicsGuy: there is an undocumented i2c bus on pins 27 and 28
[1:30] <ali1234> you can use it if you do not use the CSI or DSI port
[1:38] <ElectronicsGuy> Anoia: What does that do?
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[1:39] <ElectronicsGuy> methuzla: A 26-pin device
[1:40] <ElectronicsGuy> ali1234: Sound very top secret. Thanks for sharing this with me!
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[1:41] <ElectronicsGuy> ali1234: Do you know where the CSI and DSI ports are in this picture: https://ms-iot.github.io/content/images/PinMappings/RP2_Pinout.png ?
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[1:41] <ali1234> yes they are the ones labelled DISPLAY and CAMERA
[1:41] <ElectronicsGuy> ali1234: Great, I am not using those
[1:42] <ElectronicsGuy> Do I should be able to use the secret i2c bus on pins 27 and 28?
[1:42] <ElectronicsGuy> *So
[1:42] <ali1234> sure
[1:42] <ElectronicsGuy> For an ADC?
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[1:43] <ali1234> better to just put a splitter on pins 3 & 5 though
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[1:44] <ElectronicsGuy> ali1234: I can do that? sweet! Is there any advantages on the splitter vs pins 27 and 28 besides the Camera and Display port usage?
[1:44] <ali1234> you can also run the i2c bitbag driver on any gpios
[1:45] <ali1234> 27 & 28 are reserved and the raspberry pi developers will yell at you for using it
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[1:45] <ali1234> i2c is a bus... you know what that means right?
[1:45] <ElectronicsGuy> ali1234: Oh i see
[1:45] <methuzla> so is spi
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[1:46] <ElectronicsGuy> ali1234: yes like a power rail but this is a i2c bus
[1:47] <ElectronicsGuy> methuzla: what is SPI?
[1:47] <methuzla> another bus
[1:47] <ElectronicsGuy> ok
[1:47] <methuzla> does your '26-pin device' use i2c or spi?
[1:48] <ElectronicsGuy> methuzla: It's a 26-pin touch display
[1:49] <methuzla> so maybe it's using those pins as gpio
[1:49] <ElectronicsGuy> methuzla: I had to enable spi to set it up
[1:50] <Anoia> 26 pins by itself says nothing without know what pins are actually usedfor what purposes
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[1:50] <ali1234> it probably uses spi to send pixels and i2c for the touch screen
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[1:50] <Anoia> for example, incredibly complex devices can run of 2-3 pins
[1:50] <ali1234> the rest will be unused unless it has hardware buttons too
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[1:52] <ElectronicsGuy> Anoia: Oh sorry about that. I am using this: https://www.google.com/aclk?sa=l&ai=C6L8paROLVuHRAoyefpWpjsAEu9HkiAfz8KCvnwKz04nk3wMICRABIN7Nzx4oBmDJvvSKtKTYD6ABnJOcwQPIAQeqBCdP0MwXbi29fgs7WBmnJSybCX9iFs6SVR4zzmEZ3x1_pIZWkccx69nABQWgBiaAB_PZqS-IBwGQBwKoB6a-G9gHAeAS5PPvspWll9sN&sig=AOD64_35MKWOLyZ1PS24C7CkjYPbfjPyow&ctype=5&q=&ved=0ahUKEwjBkrOHupHKAhWBMSYKHVvnDFYQ2CkIoQQwAA&adurl=http://www.gearbest.com/lcd-led-display-module
[1:52] <Berg> nice link
[1:52] <ali1234> redirect to 404
[1:52] <ElectronicsGuy> Berg: thanks man
[1:52] <ElectronicsGuy> Here: http://www.gearbest.com/lcd-led-display-module/pp_231778.html?currency=USD&gclid=Cj0KEQiAzai0BRCs2Yydo8yptuIBEiQAN3_lFvNoIvXzH2aMnyVF1JneSwbr5SMVKL4OemXRGHvklXQaAldq8P8HAQ
[1:53] <ElectronicsGuy> google and their link sauce :p
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[1:54] <ElectronicsGuy> Anoia: ^^
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[1:55] <ali1234> http://www.ti.com/lit/ds/symlink/tsc2046e-q1.pdf
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[1:56] <ali1234> touch screen is SPI
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[1:56] <ali1234> display will be SPI too
[1:56] <ali1234> so this will only use like 4 pins
[1:56] <ali1234> and power
[2:00] <Lirus> hey im sitting here for almost 3 hours and have no idea how to progess :/ i would like to transform my raspberry into a router. Ive ipforwarding enabled dhcpd running and my client got an ip-adress from the raspberry but no internet connectivity :( can anyone give me a tip?
[2:00] <Lirus> the raspberry has internet connectivity
[2:02] <ElectronicsGuy> ali1234: SO I can use the other 36?
[2:02] <ElectronicsGuy> *So
[2:02] <ali1234> yes
[2:02] <Anoia> Lirus: routing from what to what over what interfaces>?
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[2:03] <ElectronicsGuy> ali1234: Great! Now I wish they didn't have the 26pin header and waste 22 pins
[2:03] <ElectronicsGuy> I guess I can get a 26 pin splitter
[2:03] <ali1234> it will be tricky to do anything with that
[2:03] <ElectronicsGuy> and maybe plug the screen into the splitter
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[2:03] <ali1234> you could get something like the blackhat
[2:04] <ali1234> https://shop.pimoroni.com/products/black-hat-hacker
[2:04] <Lirus> Anoia: routing an ethernet interface through a wireless interface - i thought when i enable ipforwarding it would forward the traffic to the wireless interface because its the default gateway
[2:04] <ElectronicsGuy> ali1234: ahttps://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwjHqLuIvZHKAhXKFR4KHd2YBL0QFggcMAA&url=https%3A%2F%2Fshop.pimoroni.com%2Fproducts%2Fblack-hat-hacker&usg=AFQjCNFlP1dSPv8zGs53GOcuNspGcelHuQ&sig2=ABoRHh-Y-O8in4K8HEaHgQ&bvm=bv.110151844,d.cWw
[2:04] <ali1234> Lirus: it does but it does not know what to do with the response traffic unless you set up NAT rules
[2:05] <ElectronicsGuy> ali1234: Beat me to it :p
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[2:07] <Anoia> Lirus: do you know if it's getting the traffic?
[2:07] <Anoia> i.e. are the clients using the pi as the default gateway?
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[2:08] <Anoia> ali1234: VLC doesn;t, but youtube does :)
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[2:08] <Tenkawa> yay got my pi zero...
[2:08] <Tenkawa> time to build an image
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[2:09] <Anoia> well, using my pi as a dashcam seems to work okish...
[2:09] <Anoia> next time, I need more than an elastic band to hold the camera steady
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[2:10] <Anoia> oh, VLC loaded them now!
[2:11] <brianx> sweet Tenkawa!
[2:13] <Tenkawa> brianx: yeah trying to figure out how to stage a sd with slackware on it now
[2:14] <brianx> Tenkawa: maybe start with raspbian to make sure your hardware is working.
[2:14] <Tenkawa> yeah good idea
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[2:15] <Tenkawa> now to find the image
[2:16] <Tenkawa> can i write it to the sd and setup like the old way
[2:16] <Tenkawa> ?
[2:16] <Anoia> oh yeah, I'm pleased to say that my 64GB card worked straight away
[2:17] <Tenkawa> I
[2:17] <Anoia> just the minor issue of fat32 formatting it
[2:17] <Tenkawa> er I
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[2:17] <Lirus> Anoia: forgot about my vpnfirewall on the client at first :P i deactivated it know and still have no internet connectivity. I can connect via ssh now from the client to the raspberry and i have a ip adress on the clients network interface. On my Raspberry i can see a lot of DNS Standard querys via Wireshark but no traffic towards the client
[2:17] <Tenkawa> uggh .. I'm going to try on a 32g
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[2:17] <Tenkawa> wow my typing is great tonight
[2:20] <Anoia> Lirus: ok, nothing pi specific
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[2:20] <Anoia> do the clients have the PI's IP as the default gateway
[2:20] <Lirus> Anoia: and the Clients routes output says Destination default -> Gateway (adress of raspberry)
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[2:20] <brianx> Tenkawa: yes. the zero is like a b+ with broken (missing) ethernet.
[2:20] <Anoia> do they share the same subnet (mask and IP range)
[2:20] <Anoia> is ip forwardign turned on
[2:20] <Anoia> id iptables set to allow the traffic
[2:20] <Tenkawa> brianx: good... going to have to do some pre-setup then to go with my wiif
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[2:20] <Xark> brianx: Or like an A+ with more memory (and shrunk). :)
[2:20] <Tenkawa> er wifi
[2:21] <Tenkawa> until I get a gpio/serial one
[2:21] <Anoia> does whatever you're talkign to, know how to reply
[2:21] <brianx> yeah.
[2:21] <Anoia> (is it routing, or is it natting)
[2:21] <Anoia> -t
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[2:24] <Lirus> Anoia: ipforwarding is turned on, iptables are reseted on the client aswell on the raspberry and i use dhcpd for natting i guess (thats what dhcp does right? sorry im pretty new to the stuff and try to learn as much as possible)
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[2:27] <Anoia> no, dhcp does not do natting
[2:27] <Anoia> dhcp is purely IP auto configuration
[2:28] <Anoia> to do nat, you need to set up IPTables or whatever is on your distro to do the NAT bit
[2:28] <Anoia> there are many guides online
[2:28] <Tenkawa> can you do serial console on the zero via usb?
[2:28] <ali1234> Tenkawa: yes
[2:28] <Tenkawa> oooh
[2:28] <ali1234> you have to build a custom kernel though
[2:29] <Tenkawa> oh darn
[2:29] <ali1234> you can also do ethernet
[2:29] <Tenkawa> I just meant for instal
[2:29] <Tenkawa> er install
[2:29] <ali1234> no
[2:29] <ali1234> you can't do anything with the official images
[2:29] <Tenkawa> well darn
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[2:30] <Tenkawa> sounds like a trip to microcenter will be in my near future
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[2:31] <pksato> Tenkawa: you want to use usb port on RPi as device, not a host as usual?
[2:32] <pksato> RPi Zeo
[2:32] <Tenkawa> pksato: i was going to use it temporarily as a console instead of hdmi
[2:32] <Tenkawa> since I need the usb port for my wifi adapter eventually
[2:33] <pksato> You can use GPIO header serial port
[2:33] <Tenkawa> if i had one
[2:33] <Tenkawa> no pin adapter yet so a trip either way
[2:33] <pksato> or connect a USB adapter (need a adapter from micro to normal USB)
[2:34] <pksato> But, I don know if need to be a OTG enabled adapter.
[2:34] <ali1234> just build the custom kernel and put it on the SD card
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[2:34] <Tenkawa> hmmm.. I guess i could use the usb hub to get it setup then only use the wifi adapter.
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[2:34] <ali1234> don't use a hub
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[2:34] <ali1234> just plug it directly in to the PC
[2:34] <Tenkawa> ali1234: thats what I'm thinking too.. (I use an arm box as my desktop so that makes it easier)
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[2:35] <Tenkawa> ok.. sd written..bbiaf after I test if it runs at all
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[2:35] <brianx> good luck Tenkawa
[2:35] <pksato> I dont know read to any usb guest device implementation to RPi Zeros or As
[2:35] <Tenkawa> thanks
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[2:36] <ali1234> heh https://github.com/raspberrypi/linux/issues/1243
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[2:37] <ali1234> somehow I doubt there'l be a wider audience for that on the forums
[2:37] <brianx> my path was to use serial console to work up to usb gadget ethernet.
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[2:38] <Lirus> Anoia: i did it like here: http://www.revsys.com/writings/quicktips/nat.html but even a ping or host request on the client times out which makes me think its nat/routing(these are very similar terms right?) problem
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[2:43] <Tenkawa> ok.. apparently i read/saw something wrong..
[2:43] <Tenkawa> what kind of hdmi cable does it use?
[2:44] <ali1234> mini
[2:44] <Tenkawa> the one i have's connector is too small
[2:44] <ali1234> that's micro then
[2:44] <Tenkawa> well crap
[2:44] <Tenkawa> time to look through my cables
[2:44] <ali1234> yeah that's what everyone said
[2:44] <Tenkawa> and see if I have one
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[2:50] <Anoia> Lirus: NAT is similar int hat traffic is routed through a box, but NAT will translate all traffic form the LAN side into the WAN IP address
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[2:54] <ali1234> how long does it usually take for mods to mod posts on the forum?
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[2:59] <Tenkawa> guess I'll be finishing this setup headless and via another machine to build the sd
[3:00] <ali1234> https://learn.adafruit.com/turning-your-raspberry-pi-zero-into-a-usb-gadget/serial-gadget
[3:00] <Tenkawa> ali1234: thanks
[3:00] <Tenkawa> let me record that link so I can look at it
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[3:02] <brianx> serial console is yourfriend Tenkawa.
[3:02] <Tenkawa> indeed
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[3:02] <vit1251> what about mir or another comopsite server Weston under rasperry? it ready and this improve speed of gui system?
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[3:03] <ali1234> you can use wayland
[3:03] <ali1234> but you can't use gnome or kde in it, only compositors written specially for the pi
[3:03] <vit1251> at last time in weston only one application - terminal how about firefox?
[3:03] <Tenkawa> cheers all
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[3:03] <ali1234> it won't make web browsers run any faster
[3:04] <vit1251> this problem with browser?
[3:04] <ali1234> no, this problem with the pi being really slow
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[3:05] <vit1251> 1 GHz slow ... earley we use Pentium computers and have Internet Explorer 4 and this software start a few sec
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[3:05] <vit1251> and no problem with browsing only freeze on start
[3:06] <vit1251> it flash card problme?
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[3:08] <ali1234> partly
[3:08] <ali1234> bu mainly slow CPU and not enough RAM
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[3:11] <netsrot> I think all problems with rpi is software related.
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[3:15] <netsrot> vit1251: firefox has not been properly optimized for rpi. there was a try with with a qt version of firefox but it was never stable and I think that project died long time ago.
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[3:20] <vit1251> ali1234, how about rpi browser with optimization
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[3:21] <vit1251> ali1234, with shared linking or some another plugins
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[3:22] <vit1251> today most developer use resources very uneconomically
[3:23] <vit1251> i remember time when MS-DOS arachne load image and web page fast than today rpi but hot really sure about 1 Ghz CPU
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[3:25] <netsrot> well thats what happens when developers target is a computer with 3ghz cpu and 4G ram.
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[3:26] <netsrot> but a lot of the software running on x86 is not optimized at all so most of the tasks should be doable on an rpi with propper optimizations.
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[3:34] <netsrot> The rendering of webpages in rpi optimized webbrowser epiphany I find very impressive. But not being able to disable javascript makes it unusable for me =(
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[3:37] <vit1251> web browser conceptions is very resource leaking
[3:37] <vit1251> for example PDF more effective and provide book with pages
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[3:38] <vit1251> i sure that pdf more fast work on rpi it based on absolute div position and have small calculations
[3:39] <vit1251> let's create web site on pdf :-) and i think that we should provide javascript precompiled and optimized on JSVM ;-)
[3:39] <vit1251> let's i go to chromium and create issue abiout that
[3:41] <ElectronicsGuy> Does anyone know of any alternatives to an ADC that will still get the job done? I only have GND and GPIO pins left
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[3:44] <brianx> ElectronicsGuy: got a usb connection open?
[3:45] <ElectronicsGuy> brianx: Yes I do
[3:46] <brianx> maybe use an arduino nano. it has 12 bit adc built in and you can talk to it over usb.
[3:47] <ElectronicsGuy> brianx: How much are they?
[3:47] <brianx> crap chinese clone ones are about a buck and a half us delivered.
[3:48] <ElectronicsGuy> Are we talking 8 years durability
[3:48] <ElectronicsGuy> *year
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[3:50] <ali1234> an arduino will last longer than a pi
[3:50] <Xenthys> 'scuse me, any channel op active right now?
[3:50] <abnormal> dunno
[3:50] <abnormal> why?
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[3:51] <Xenthys> A bot here got this cloak updated, just to know if it's still clear enough
[3:51] <Xenthys> s/this/its
[3:51] <kneekoo> ali1234: why do you think the pi doesn't last as long as an arduino?
[3:52] <ali1234> kneekoo: because the pi needs an sd card
[3:52] <ElectronicsGuy> ali1234:sounds good.Hopefully it is the size of like a quarter. That would be AWESOME!
[3:52] <brianx> ElectronicsGuy: no reason to expect it to be less reliable or durable than a pi. and $2. http://www.ebay.com/itm/262123424219
[3:52] <brianx> it's a bit smaller than a pi zero
[3:52] <ElectronicsGuy> kneekoo: I am just asking, I don't know :p
[3:52] <methuzla> arduinos are just AVR mcu's
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[3:53] <ElectronicsGuy> methuzla: Do I get fries with that?
[3:53] <methuzla> if you know C
[3:53] <NahUndFern> [Saint], Hey, i forgot to ask earlier, what distro do you run on your pi?
[3:53] <methuzla> curly fries if you know assy
[3:53] <ElectronicsGuy> C++ B)
[3:53] <ElectronicsGuy> Oh I know ass
[3:53] <ElectronicsGuy> y
[3:53] <kneekoo> indeed, an SD card won't last "forever" but it's also cheap to replace
[3:54] <ElectronicsGuy> B)
[3:54] <ali1234> SD card costs the same as a whole arduino
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[3:54] <ElectronicsGuy> ali1234: 64 GB or like a 2GB?
[3:54] <ali1234> a 2GB
[3:54] <brianx> the easy way to program a nano is just the c-ish language of the arduino, but you have lots of choices.
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[3:55] <ali1234> use avr-libc
[3:55] <kneekoo> ali1234: sure, every project needs the proper tools; a raspberry pi should be used when you actually need the extras
[3:55] <kneekoo> otherwise it doesn't make sense other than "it can do it"
[3:56] <ElectronicsGuy> brianx: I have used Arduino-C so I should be good with that then
[3:56] <brianx> ali1234: why bother to mess with avr-lib if all you need is an adc to usb adapter?
[3:56] <ElectronicsGuy> ali1234: Use that library with Arduino-C?
[3:56] <ali1234> brianx: because arduino libraries are slow and difficult to use
[3:57] <brianx> ali1234, i agree slow and crappy but not that they are hard.
[3:57] <ali1234> they are easy to write programs with
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[3:58] <ali1234> the hard part is writing the serial parser to read the output
[3:58] <ali1234> and especially making that cooperate with the bootloader
[3:59] <brianx> ElectronicsGuy: avr-lib is an alternative to arduino's coding system. avr-lib is better but more work to get going in it.
[4:00] <brianx> ali1234: i've never had to do more than lock the usb serial device open to interact with a nano with a shell script.
[4:00] <ali1234> lock the serial device open?
[4:00] <ElectronicsGuy> brianx: Oh cool
[4:01] <ali1234> you can't really lock a USB device open... it disappears from the system when it resets
[4:01] <ElectronicsGuy> Hey guys I was thinking, since Arduino can be a USB ADC, do they make USB ADC's?
[4:01] <brianx> open the device and keep it open forever so that closing usb doesn't cause the nano to reset.
[4:01] <brianx> ElectronicsGuy: probably, but i doubt you'll find one for $2 us.
[4:01] <ali1234> then you get the fun of ever-incrementing device nodes
[4:02] <ali1234> am i talking to the bootloader or the device?
[4:02] <ali1234> etc
[4:02] <ElectronicsGuy> brianx: I need to make sure I can get them anytime I want
[4:02] <brianx> exactly ali1234. open it and keep it open forever and the problem goes away.
[4:02] <ali1234> and then you can't reflash it
[4:03] <Lirus> hey guys im still sitting on my rpi router and manged to get the dns request from my client on my rpi wan-interface it looks like -> DNS 74 Standard query 0x2d2a A ntp.ubuntu.com ( is the right address of the client) but i never see a dns answer on wireshark on the rpi :/
[4:04] <brianx> ali1234: so? this is a dedicated adc to usb device. if you really ever need to do something with the software you could close the device and on connect it would boot into the loader. no biggie.
[4:04] <ali1234> brianx: how am i supposed to develop the code if I can't reflash it?
[4:04] <brianx> don't develop.
[4:04] <brianx> write once. keep forever.
[4:04] <ali1234> so basically arduino is really easy if someone else already wrote the code for you...
[4:05] <ali1234> funnily enough that's pretty much the approach I use... i develop the code on a proper dev board, then port it over to cheap arduinos
[4:05] <brianx> ali1234: i don't know where your issue is. ElectronicsGuy has one function to do. he's not developing something complex.
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[4:06] <ali1234> i think i made it pretty clear: arduinos are hard to use due to the way the bootloader and libraries are designed
[4:06] <ali1234> specifically due to the way it always wants to be a serial device
[4:07] <brianx> if you want to do something complex, let the usb device close and you can program it like an arduino.
[4:07] <brianx> ali1234: it IS a serial device. it's using a dedicated usb to serial chip.
[4:08] <ali1234> current arduinos no longer use that chip. they have hardware USB built in to the AVR
[4:08] <ali1234> but they still emulate the old arduino style of programming if you use the arduino libraries
[4:08] <ali1234> and it is still as annoying and failure prone as ever
[4:08] <brianx> look at the link. it's a nano, not some silly edison or leo or whatever new crud is out.
[4:09] <ElectronicsGuy> Time to...
[4:09] <ali1234> what link?
[4:09] <ElectronicsGuy> Dance! (ノ ̄ー ̄)ノ
[4:09] <ElectronicsGuy> (ノ ̄ー ̄)ノ
[4:09] <ElectronicsGuy> (ノ ̄ー ̄)ノ
[4:09] <brianx> http://www.ebay.com/itm/262123424219
[4:09] <ali1234> yeah... don't buy that
[4:09] <ElectronicsGuy> ( ノ^ω^)ノ゚ (ノ´∀`)ノ
[4:10] <brianx> that's where we started. a recommendation for a cheap solution to read a battery.
[4:10] <ali1234> buy this instead http://www.ebay.com/itm/New-Pro-Micro-ATmega32U4-5V-16MHz-Replace-ATmega328-Arduino-Pro-Mini-/131513277878?hash=item1e9ecd5db6:g:rUAAAOSwPgxVNhve
[4:11] <ali1234> that way when you get tired of the arduino library failing to reset properly you can dump it for something better
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[4:11] <brianx> ali1234: that's almost twice as much.
[4:12] <ozzzy> brianx, what voltage battery
[4:12] <brianx> and i've never had this rest problem you talk about.
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[4:12] <ElectronicsGuy> Which woul I want to use so I don't have to worry about reseting it to work?
[4:12] <ali1234> you can use any of these
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[4:13] <brianx> ozzzy: ElectronicsGuy wants to read some battery from his pi. the adc chip was too complicated or expensive or something.
[4:13] <ali1234> they'll all do the job
[4:13] <ozzzy> ah
[4:13] <ali1234> is it a lithium battery?
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[4:13] <ali1234> because if it is, just get a dedicated battery monitor
[4:13] <ozzzy> Hey Rocky... watch me pull a rabbit out of my hat.
[4:13] <ali1234> https://www.sparkfun.com/products/10617
[4:14] <ali1234> yes, i know it's even more expensive
[4:14] <ElectronicsGuy> ozzzy: I would like to be able to get the remaining battery from my lithium polymer battery to my Raspberry Pi. I only have the pins 27 - 40 available
[4:14] <ali1234> it's also specifically designed for the job and will definitely work properly
[4:14] <ali1234> although you'll have to find an i2c port for it
[4:14] <ozzzy> remaining battery? as in voltage?
[4:14] <brianx> ElectronicsGuy: ali1234 is correct only that you have to work around the problem of the arduino resetting if you ever let the device close. it's very easy to launch a dummy thread when your pi boots that opens the usb device and never closes it.
[4:15] <ElectronicsGuy> So we are working out how to get this done. We were talking about using the Arduino on the USB port since the RPI2 only has Reserved, GND, and GPIO pins from pin 27 - 40
[4:15] <ElectronicsGuy> ozzzy: Yes
[4:15] <ozzzy> what voltage battery?
[4:16] <brianx> ozzzy: pretty sure he has a lipo connected to a dc-dc to power his pi.
[4:16] <ElectronicsGuy> brianx: Oh that's sound good :) Now I need a small one and to figure out how to connect it up
[4:16] <ozzzy> I don't know lipo from doo-doo... I work with SLAs and AGMs
[4:16] <ozzzy> so what voltage LOL
[4:17] <ali1234> lipo is 3.6v nominal
[4:17] <ozzzy> ok
[4:17] <brianx> ozzzy: 4ish volts.
[4:17] <brianx> peak
[4:17] <ElectronicsGuy> ozzzy: 3.7v 5000maH converted to 5v 3700maH
[4:17] <ozzzy> so connect it to an arduino's AD... it'll give you a pretty much direct reading
[4:17] <ozzzy> send it to the Pi over usb
[4:18] <brianx> ozzzy: yep.
[4:18] <ElectronicsGuy> ozzzy: What is the arduino's AD?
[4:18] <ElectronicsGuy> ADC?
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[4:18] <ozzzy> one of the analog pins
[4:18] <ozzzy> yep
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[4:19] <ElectronicsGuy> ozzzy: Alright so connect the battery to an analog pin on the arduino, and plug it into the pi via USB?
[4:19] <ozzzy> yep
[4:19] <ozzzy> write the arduino code to send the voltage value every so often (or on command) and write the Pi code to read it or ask for it
[4:20] <ElectronicsGuy> ozzzy: I have to connect the battery to this inorder to get to 5v 3700mah. Can I still do this? : https://learn.adafruit.com/adafruit-powerboost-1000c-load-share-usb-charge-boost/overview
[4:21] <ozzzy> no idea... I've never seen one of those
[4:22] <ozzzy> just tap into the 3.7V before it gets to that board thingy
[4:22] <ozzzy> and don't forget to share a ground with the arduino
[4:23] <ElectronicsGuy> Alright, so ground the battery, board and the arduino. Then put the Battery to the arduino and then the battery to the board?
[4:23] <ozzzy> yep
[4:24] <ozzzy> just a lead from one of the ADC pins to the 3.7v line
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[4:26] <brianx> ElectronicsGuy: which pi are you using?
[4:26] <ElectronicsGuy> ozzzy: Cool I will draw that up
[4:26] <ElectronicsGuy> brianx: Pi 2 Model B
[4:27] <brianx> ElectronicsGuy: good, no issues there.
[4:27] <ElectronicsGuy> :)
[4:29] <brianx> your nano will end up using the 5v of your pi2b as it's reference. everything will be in relation to whatever that voltage is.
[4:30] <brianx> of the usb port on the pi2b
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[4:36] <Lirus> Is somebody up to help me with a routing problem with my rpi?
[4:37] <brianx> ElectronicsGuy: would you be happy only knowing if the lipo was above or below 3.2v?
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[4:38] <ElectronicsGuy> brianx: It has to be over 5v to run the Pi
[4:39] <ElectronicsGuy> So thatis whyI step it up with adafruit dboard
[4:39] <brianx> ElectronicsGuy: the lipo is never even close to 5v.
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[4:40] <ElectronicsGuy> brianx: With this it is: https://learn.adafruit.com/adafruit-powerboost-1000c-load-share-usb-charge-boost/overview
[4:40] <brianx> that board has a battery low led. you could simplify this if you only detected the light being on or off.
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[4:41] <ali1234> it actually has a digital output for low battery
[4:42] <ali1234> it's at the battery boltage though so you cannot connect it directly to the pi gpio
[4:43] <brianx> even better.
[4:44] <brianx> was on a phone, couldn't see much about the thing.
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[4:47] <brianx> fscking mobile sites. just as many pixels on the phone yet they give me a completely different site without most of this information.
[4:47] <brianx> and they detect the phone even when it's set to ask for the desktop site. :-(
[4:48] <Lirus> i still need help with routing on my rpi :/+
[4:49] <brianx> Lirus: what is the problem? ask the question.
[4:50] <Lirus> i want to use my rpi as a router my dhcp and nat are running i guess, i can see the clients dns request on my rpi wan interface on wireshark but i never get a dns response
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[4:52] <Lirus> i dont unter stand the problem -> is the dns request with no answer on the wan interface but when i have a dns request from the rpi itself it works
[4:52] <brianx> ran into this just the other day. on at least one dhcp/dns caching server (dnsmasq), the interfaces to reply on must be specified in the config file.
[4:53] <brianx> dnsmasq listens on all interfaces and ignores any interface not in it'd config.
[4:53] <Lirus> ah okay so i have interface=eth0 in my dnsmasq config file for listining to my lan interface
[4:54] <Lirus> so you say ive to tell dnsmasq the wan interface?
[4:54] <brianx> no, dnsmasq should only reply to the internal interfaces.
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[4:56] <Lirus> so how do i make dnsmasq get a dns answer?
[4:56] <brianx> wireshark on the pi hears your request from the client but the dnsmasq fails to reply... if that's the case, your dnsmasq is likely not configured to reply to that client in some say.
[4:56] <ElectronicsGuy> Hey guys I am having trouble grounding my battery and board and arduino together. How do I do this?
[4:56] <JakeSays> so.. i'd like to write a kernel driver that would display an interactive UI on my pitft during boot. is there any reason why i couldn't use the same code i use in userland (with a kernel wrapper, of course)?
[4:56] <ElectronicsGuy> I am having trouble because the board connects via USB to the Pi
[4:56] <JakeSays> why do you need to ground them all together?
[4:57] <ali1234> JakeSays: why interactive during boot? why not just make it boot faster?
[4:57] <brianx> ElectronicsGuy: usb automatically includes ground.
[4:57] <methuzla> USB has gnd
[4:57] <ElectronicsGuy> Oh cool
[4:57] <ali1234> or do you just want a progress bar?
[4:57] <ali1234> if so there's already software to do that
[4:57] <ElectronicsGuy> ali1234: me man or someone else
[4:57] <JakeSays> ali1234: yeah interactive wasnt the right choice - just animated
[4:58] <ElectronicsGuy> JakeSays: SO there is a common ground
[4:58] <JakeSays> ElectronicsGuy: typically, yes, especially if they're all using the same power source
[4:58] <JakeSays> ali1234: which softwre?
[4:58] <JakeSays> *software
[4:58] <brianx> Lirus: to got busy, is pm ok?
[4:58] <brianx> Lirus: it got busy, is pm ok?
[4:58] <ali1234> plymouth is one, dunno if it will work on pi
[4:59] <Lirus> brianx: sure thanks for your support!
[4:59] <ali1234> http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/Plymouth/
[4:59] <ali1234> says it can use /dev/fb so it should work
[5:00] <JakeSays> it would need to use fb1 after the fbtft drivers are loaded
[5:00] <ali1234> could be tricky, im sure you can configure that though
[5:00] <JakeSays> it also requires changing initrd
[5:01] <JakeSays> bit more than i was thinking
[5:01] <ali1234> yes you'll always have that problem though, unless you compile all your images into the kernel (bad idea)
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[5:02] <JakeSays> it doesnt need to start immediately at boot, so the images could be in a driver image
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[5:15] <ElectronicsGuy> Alright guys here is what I was able to draw up. I need help with the Arduino. Where do I connect the Arduino? https://unsee.cc/torudesa/
[5:16] <nyt> it ... it shows you
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[5:18] <ElectronicsGuy> nyt: Me?
[5:18] <nyt> yea
[5:19] <ElectronicsGuy> nyt: Where?
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[5:20] <nyt> oh is ee what youre asking
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[5:21] <nyt> use serial?
[5:21] <nyt> transmit data in byte form
[5:21] <ElectronicsGuy> nyt: I don't know where to connect the ground and analong pins to the RasPi and Battery
[5:24] <ElectronicsGuy> Here's is the picture: https://unsee.cc/torudesa/
[5:25] <ElectronicsGuy> I couldconnect the GND to the Batterynegative but I want to make sure everything is safe and unifotm
[5:27] <ElectronicsGuy> Wait.. CouldI connect the GND from the Arduino to the Battery and the Analog from Arduino to Positive from thebattery? And then plug the arduino into the Pi? Or would this circumvent the Safety features of the Adafruit board?
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[5:29] <ElectronicsGuy> Can the Arduino take 5amps at 3.7v?
[5:29] <ElectronicsGuy> 3.7v at 5 amps?
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[5:36] <ElectronicsGuy> Hey this is my new schematic. Will this work? https://unsee.cc/putomize/
[5:39] <chesty> probably not, you're not sensing the 3.7 volts of the battery, you're sensing the voltage after it has gone through a boost converter
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[5:43] <ElectronicsGuy> chesty: The boost converter sends out 5v
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[5:51] <chesty> yes, and it will send out 5v when the battery is at 4.2 and when the battery is at 2.2
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[5:59] <ElectronicsGuy> chesty: Does the Arduino part look good? I want the Adafruit board to send 5v to the arduino and raspberry pi
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[6:00] <chesty> i have no idea
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[6:21] <brianx> oops, missed ElectronicsGuy's drawing. he's got analog in connected to the wrong place and an extra ground that isn't needed. analog in goes to the 3.7V side of that JST connector.
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[6:37] <xpl0iter> Hi, I am trying to do my first ever raspberry pi project. So for this I will need to connect 4 different cameras to it. All I need the cameras to do is, take pictures(4 images per second) when a button is pressed. So I am thinking of arducam for this. but the problem is, I need cameras which can capture iages with decent quality(ok kinda decent) while the it is travelling in like 20MPH. I intend to put this thing on my drone.
[6:37] <xpl0iter> So which camera modules should I be buying?
[6:37] <xpl0iter> which doesn;t cost like crazy
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[6:38] <snowkidind> just get some usb cams
[6:38] <xpl0iter> usb camera are bulky right? I prefer those modules, or is there any reason why I should be using usb cams?
[6:39] <snowkidind> I have not seen a multi cam setup
[6:39] <snowkidind> that doesnt mean they dont exist
[6:39] <snowkidind> the cam i have has a ribbon cable that attaches to the pi
[6:39] <snowkidind> but i don’t see that as a way to support more than one
[6:40] <xpl0iter> I am thinking about using : www.arducam.com/arduino-panorama-photography-arducam/
[6:41] <xpl0iter> The only probelm is getting cameras which can get decent pictures while travelling at this speed. And I don't know a think about cameras like this. I think it will need good shutter speed for thiws
[6:41] <snowkidind> yea beats me
[6:41] <snowkidind> looks like a fun proj
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[6:43] <xpl0iter> :( yeah I hope I get more info on this. Otherwise this project will get stuck even before it starts lol
[6:43] <snowkidind> id see what other people have had success with using the 4cam. is there a driver for it for debian?
[6:43] <snowkidind> at a glance it looked like a usb device
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[6:45] <xpl0iter> The problem I see is, I can't see any place which sells cameras with shutterspeed info
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[6:45] <xpl0iter> snowkidind, this is their info page for pi set up: http://www.arducam.com/multi-camera-adapter-module-raspberry-pi/
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[6:46] <snowkidind> oh well it looks like they paved the way
[6:47] <snowkidind> cant you just use that
[6:48] <Mr_Sheesh> Anyone have an update on when RPi Zeros will be available again?
[6:50] <snowkidind> xpl0iter: have you seen any benchmarks for rPi being to take video?
[6:50] <xpl0iter> snowkidind, Yeah I intend to use that, but again camera is the issue. If it goves out bluury pictures then there is no use in trying out my project. I need the set upt o take atleast decent quality images
[6:50] <xpl0iter> snowkidind, no..
[6:50] <xpl0iter> But I don't want the set up to take videos
[6:50] <xpl0iter> I want only images.
[6:51] <snowkidind> aah k i am looking for that for myself
[6:51] <snowkidind> why wouldnt you just get this working then improve upon it
[6:51] <Xark> Mr_Sheesh: Act fast -> https://www.adafruit.com/products/2817 :)
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[6:51] <xpl0iter> snowkidind, aah, What about this one: http://www.geeks3d.com/20150603/quick-benchmark-of-the-raspberry-pi-2-gpu-videocore-iv/
[6:53] <snowkidind> id really appreciate getting 30fps but i think im barking up the wrong tree
[6:53] <Mr_Sheesh> Xark, nope, I want to try a set of 6-8 but no rush
[6:53] <snowkidind> 60 would be ideal
[6:54] <Mr_Sheesh> I have 4 RPi B's, using them partly but need to get some other stuff done first
[6:54] <Xark> Mr_Sheesh: Yeah, might be a while before you can get bare boards in bulk...
[6:54] <Mr_Sheesh> I imagine, just trying to track the issue
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[7:02] <Lirus> do you think its realistic to run about 2-3 arch linux vms on a rpi 2 with nats connected between each other?
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[7:09] <Xark> Lirus: Memory is the big bottleneck, I would think.
[7:09] <Xark> Lirus: Also, to VMs even work well at all on RPi2? Not sure...
[7:09] <Xark> do*
[7:11] <Lirus> thats why i thought about arch bit you are propably right that 1gb still wont be enough
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[7:15] <Lirus> can i theoreticly expand the ram on the sd card?
[7:16] <Xark> Lirus: Painfully slow (and questionable reliability), but yes, "theoretically". :)
[7:19] <Lirus> hmm ill have to test a lot, but it seems like a dream to plug my rpi into any computer and jsut be anonymized
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[7:29] <A_SATMAN> hi
[7:30] <A_SATMAN> is it ok to ask about addoms
[7:30] <A_SATMAN> addons
[7:30] <Berg> hi ask
[7:30] <Berg> <---no clue what addons is
[7:30] <A_SATMAN> wondering what kind of chanles u get with the addons
[7:30] <uriah> what addons/
[7:31] <A_SATMAN> this for racberry ty thing
[7:31] <A_SATMAN> rasberry
[7:31] <A_SATMAN> i could flash to xmbcc
[7:33] <A_SATMAN> some1 sugested a rasberry box to me as a starter box
[7:33] <A_SATMAN> i was also told i could reflash the box
[7:34] <A_SATMAN> just trying to learn
[7:34] <A_SATMAN> is the rasberry android based
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[7:34] <uriah> nope
[7:34] <uriah> it's linux-based
[7:34] <A_SATMAN> linux
[7:34] <A_SATMAN> ok kewl
[7:35] <A_SATMAN> use to play with a dragon fta was linux
[7:35] <A_SATMAN> long time ago
[7:35] <uriah> A_SATMAN: it really depends which raspberry pi box you're referring to
[7:35] <uriah> A_SATMAN: what comes included with it?
[7:35] <A_SATMAN> i dont hsave 1 yet
[7:35] <uriah> ok but which one were you looking to buy?
[7:35] <A_SATMAN> looking for midle of the road box
[7:36] <A_SATMAN> thats y im starting to chat
[7:36] <A_SATMAN> so i dont buy a pos
[7:36] <uriah> ok
[7:36] <A_SATMAN> and dont need top of the line box also
[7:36] <uriah> which country are you in? USA?
[7:36] <A_SATMAN> yes
[7:36] <A_SATMAN> ty uriah
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[7:36] <swift110-phone> Hey
[7:36] <A_SATMAN> hey
[7:37] <swift110-phone> How r u
[7:37] <A_SATMAN> good trying to learn
[7:37] <A_SATMAN> figured chat room was good place
[7:37] <uriah> A_SATMAN: what model of the raspberry pi were you thinking of getting in the first place? there are 4 different models you can choose from right now
[7:37] <A_SATMAN> pi 2
[7:37] <uriah> ok
[7:38] <uriah> A_SATMAN: how much money are you willing to spend?
[7:38] <A_SATMAN> or is there a better 1 for a first box
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[7:38] <A_SATMAN> trying to stay under 100.00 for first 1
[7:38] <uriah> A_SATMAN: pi 2 is good, the most powerful one
[7:38] <uriah> A_SATMAN: what're you looking to do with your pi
[7:38] <uriah> ?
[7:39] <A_SATMAN> i dont needd that for my first 1
[7:39] <A_SATMAN> everything i can
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[7:39] <A_SATMAN> get rid of pay tv
[7:39] <uriah> A_SATMAN: like what sorts of projects?
[7:39] <uriah> uh ok
[7:39] <uriah> just be warned that netflix doesn't work on a pi
[7:39] <A_SATMAN> im not shure what all i can use it for
[7:40] <A_SATMAN> i have a friend with a apple2 box
[7:40] <uriah> ok
[7:40] <uriah> well
[7:40] <A_SATMAN> but i dont like apple stuff
[7:40] <A_SATMAN> prefer open source
[7:40] <uriah> for sure
[7:41] <xpl0iter> snowkidind, 60fps on RPi, wow, if we are able to do that it would be icnredibly awesome, but I don't think we can as of now. Anyway, do you know any place as in channel/or forum where I woul get such information?
[7:41] <xpl0iter> Also I was on a long call
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[7:41] <A_SATMAN> im looking to get the free addon chanles
[7:42] <A_SATMAN> movies stuff like that\
[7:42] <uriah> heh
[7:42] <A_SATMAN> also local tv
[7:42] <uriah> with kodi, you mean?
[7:42] <A_SATMAN> i dont know the logo
[7:42] <no-se> A_SATMAN: how can one do that on a rpi?
[7:42] <A_SATMAN> i dont know
[7:42] <no-se> ( OpenElec )
[7:42] <A_SATMAN> thats y im asking
[7:43] <A_SATMAN> i cvame to learn
[7:43] <A_SATMAN> ask ?s
[7:43] <snowkidind> not sure. im just getting started with my vidiot project
[7:43] <no-se> i see.
[7:43] <uriah> no-se: i think he wants something like superrepo and kodi or something
[7:43] <A_SATMAN> i apricate the help
[7:43] <snowkidind> I will test some game engines out on it eventually, e.g. cocos2d
[7:43] <A_SATMAN> u can play games on these also
[7:44] <snowkidind> my project is similar to the concept of augmented reality but it’s only 2d
[7:44] <no-se> A_SATMAN: sorry, I don't know. well, i care less for tv to start w. : )
[7:44] <A_SATMAN> ill have to google those terms superrepo kodi
[7:45] <A_SATMAN> maby i should just hang and read for few days
[7:45] <no-se> uriah: it seems that kodi is like apple tv, right?
[7:45] <A_SATMAN> get up to date with terms
[7:45] <no-se> while OpenElec is the OS running it.
[7:46] <A_SATMAN> i see a lot of android boxes out
[7:46] <uriah> no-se: sort of... you can't really purchase movies straight from it, or use netflix on it... it's more open-source
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[7:49] <A_SATMAN> im looking to unlock a box that will let me watch new movies and free chanles
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[7:49] <A_SATMAN> sorry if im being to forward
[7:49] <A_SATMAN> use to play with dtv and dishnet
[7:49] <A_SATMAN> miss those days
[7:50] <A_SATMAN> all this free to air killed the hobby
[7:50] <creyc> think a lot of the kodi plugins cater to that market
[7:50] <A_SATMAN> i enjoyed building my equipment
[7:50] <A_SATMAN> jtags emus loaders
[7:50] <A_SATMAN> printing boards
[7:51] <no-se> uriah: well, i am not looking for anything like that… actually i would like to erase OpenElec and install raspbian instead.
[7:51] <uriah> :>
[7:52] <A_SATMAN> im not exactly shure what all one of these boxes will do
[7:52] <no-se> A_SATMAN: good that you recognize it, i felt you were coming a bit angular, but yet i wanted to help. :)
[7:52] <A_SATMAN> i apricate your info
[7:52] <A_SATMAN> like i said im just tryimg to learn
[7:53] <AiGreek> 'Morning, guys o/
[7:53] <A_SATMAN> and u have to start somewere
[7:53] <A_SATMAN> morning
[7:53] <creyc> so what do pi zero users do for connectivity?
[7:54] <A_SATMAN> is there a box that comes with wirless built in
[7:54] <A_SATMAN> ill go use google
[7:54] <A_SATMAN> and idal and read ty for your info
[7:54] <creyc> A_SATMAN, lots of android boxes
[7:55] <creyc> amazon and ebay are crawling with them
[7:55] <A_SATMAN> i just know from experiance that some hardwear can be junk
[7:55] <creyc> yes
[7:55] <creyc> might try asking around the kodi channel
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[7:56] <A_SATMAN> i was there eirler
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[7:57] <A_SATMAN> anny of these boxes have a hard drive
[7:57] <A_SATMAN> and let u use torrents
[7:58] <A_SATMAN> im gertting ahead of my self
[7:58] <A_SATMAN> ill reserch a few boxes
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[8:18] <A_SATMAN> going to install kodi on my pc to play with it
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[9:14] <techis> hi all
[9:16] <creazur> Hi!
[9:19] <techis> how goes it?
[9:20] <creazur> Pretty fine, at work ATM. How 'bout you?
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[9:21] <techis> good chilling in bed watching star wars lol
[9:21] <techis> have any cool pi projects?
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[9:24] <deshipu> https://hackaday.io/project/9065-tote-zero <-- still work in progress
[9:24] <creazur> I'm planning on making a bass effect pedal on top of RasPi2 with Rakarrack
[9:24] <deshipu> pi zero is finally approaching usable size
[9:24] <techis> cool
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[9:30] <techis> im working on a multiserver project on a pi 2 that makes its own wifi networj
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[9:31] <techis> then from a page you can start and stop certain servers (plex, subsonic, calibre, minecraft, etc) once i get the php code workign
[9:31] <techis> and might try to make my b+ a web server for my humidor for content and current humidity and sudh
[9:31] <techis> such
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[9:32] <uriah> :)
[9:32] <uriah> i also plan on using a temp+humidity sensor...
[9:32] <uriah> to make sure the inside of a box is not wet/humid, and not on fire :D
[9:33] <uriah> cause, well, there'll be a li-ion battery in it
[9:33] <techis> it works right now but i had it coded to move to another server. I want to make an all in one if i can
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[10:55] <Xark> Wow, I had no idea products specifically for RPi like this were available. http://www.amazon.com/Tempus%C2%AE-Raspberry-Backlit-Integrated-Keyboard/dp/B00Q7BA6E6 :)
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[10:56] <Morcegolas> Good morning! any java expert to give a n00b a hand?
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[10:58] <hypermist> Morcegolas, ##java
[10:58] <Morcegolas> I'm trying to run DataExplorer http://www.nongnu.org/dataexplorer/, that is a logging software for Linux/Mac/Windows but not compiled for RPi
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[11:11] <pyroxide> i would be so happy if i could stream games from a computer with an AMD graphics card to a raspberry pi. but i've run into problems at every attempt to get Splashtop Client running; i386 emulation or android
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[11:25] <Xark> pyroxide: Yeah. Someday, perhaps... :)
[11:25] <pyroxide> i am about to give up on raspberry pi and just use my tablet
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[11:26] <Xark> pyroxide: May not be a bad call...
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[11:33] <bourbaki> Hidiliho
[11:33] <jancoow> tablet and rpi.. i dont see a link
[11:34] <pyroxide> trying to game stream
[11:34] <bourbaki> I am just trying to setup a new RPi2 but the board does not load my sd card, i found a site that listed several reasons, like the sd card can not be booted from or power supply
[11:35] <bourbaki> The LED stays red all the time, i just wrote a sd card the same way last week for my old RPi1 B and it works fine.
[11:35] <bourbaki> Is there any way to discern the error?
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[11:36] <pyroxide> bourbaki, different sd card?
[11:36] <bourbaki> Yep in case of the RPi2 it is a micro SD card
[11:36] <pyroxide> bourbaki, yeah i forgot about that
[11:37] <bourbaki> When i mount it in Windoze it is a FAT formatted drive and all the files show, as i would expect
[11:37] <bourbaki> I use the same PSU though
[11:37] <pyroxide> bourbaki, THAT may be the problem
[11:37] <bourbaki> If i am not mistaken though if there is a problem with the power then it should show a coloured square
[11:37] <pyroxide> is it a 1.8A or higher rated psu?
[11:38] <bourbaki> 5V, 2A
[11:38] <pyroxide> also fat32 is what the boot partition likes
[11:38] <bourbaki> Bought that so i can put some stuff in the RPi1 Usb drive and such
[11:38] <bourbaki> I do guess that if i format it with Win it is FAT32 right?
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[11:39] <pyroxide> FAT implies fat16
[11:39] <bourbaki> It would be really cool to get either an error beep or error blink on the board
[11:39] <bourbaki> ok let me recheck that
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[11:40] <bourbaki> I can just choose between NTFS, FAT and exFAT
[11:40] <bourbaki> is exFAT 64bit?
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[11:40] <jancoow> game stream with a pi? steam isnt running on a pi so home in streaming cant work lol
[11:40] <jancoow> that simple
[11:41] <bourbaki> Ubuntu has Steam
[11:41] <pyroxide> it's overkill for what you want. FAT should work..
[11:41] <bourbaki> And then you can use Homestreaming right?
[11:41] <pyroxide> i386
[11:41] <lonefish> anyone experience with the config_hdmi_boost property?
[11:41] <pyroxide> not ARM
[11:41] <bourbaki> I just reformat with exFAT and rewrite the card
[11:42] <pyroxide> nah exFAT wont work
[11:42] <bourbaki> ok
[11:42] <bourbaki> then i will fromat again and rewrite :)
[11:42] <pyroxide> is your sd card on the wiki list?
[11:43] <bourbaki> no idea can you hook me up with the url?
[11:43] <jancoow> linux runs steam yes
[11:43] <jancoow> but nor on arm
[11:43] <bourbaki> https://www.raspberrypi.org/blog/stream-pc-games-to-your-tv/
[11:44] <pyroxide> there is other software to stream
[11:44] <creazur> http://elinux.org/RPi_SD_cards#Working_.2F_Non-working_SD_cards
[11:44] <creazur> There you can find the list of tested SD cards
[11:44] <pyroxide> Splashtop, Kainy, Moonlight/Limelight
[11:44] <bourbaki> thanks let me check
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[11:46] <bourbaki> Ok this is the card SanDisk microSDXC 64 10 , should work fine according to the table
[11:47] <pyroxide> jancoow, i installed ExaGear Desktop to emulate Ubuntu x86 on ARM, but getting an expat error every time i try to launch splashtop
[11:47] <creazur> Then it might be that the data you wrote in it could be corrupted
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[11:48] <bourbaki> How can i test the data side?
[11:49] <bourbaki> Ok i guess it is the data on the card, just saw that the green light blinks shortly but then goes black
[11:49] <jancoow> steam doesnt run on arm. Simple. Impossible
[11:50] <jancoow> it isn't compiled on arm never
[11:50] <pyroxide> jancoow, implying steam is all you need to stream games
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[11:50] <creazur> bourbaki: Just rewrite the data on the card, should fix if there has been a glitch on the first write
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[11:51] <bourbaki> I rewrote it for like 3 times now, use DiskImager on Win10
[11:51] <jancoow> mey its the only one to do it good
[11:51] <bourbaki> Maybe i will try another distro
[11:51] <jancoow> like controller support etc.
[11:51] <creazur> OK, then it shouldn't be a problem as long as the image itself is OK
[11:51] <jancoow> you could uhm try normal screen sharing software
[11:52] <pyroxide> jancoow, implying controller support makes streaming good
[11:52] <bourbaki> I tried Xbian will try the latest rasbian now
[11:53] <pyroxide> Nvidia has software to stream games to a Pi2, but I have an AMD card
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[11:53] <creazur> bourbaki: OK, I've met also an image that didn't boot up, solved it by changing into Raspbian
[11:54] <bourbaki> Tried rasbian lite and it says the image is corrupted when i try to load it into diskimager, ill try the 1.3gb file now
[11:58] <buZz> maybe the image is corrupt
[11:58] <buZz> ;)
[11:58] <buZz> check the md5 hash
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[12:00] <bourbaki> Just getting the other image
[12:02] <jancoow> pyroxide: you can use vnc but don't know how it works in games
[12:03] <mlelstv> if it works, then like a slide show.
[12:03] <pyroxide> i doubt it would work at all. Splashtop works fine on my tablet since it's optimized
[12:04] <jancoow> vnc is regular streaming protocol
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[12:11] <pyroxide> i was able to install splashtop on Android Marshmallow for RPi2, problem is it crashes as soon as i connect
[12:11] <pyroxide> likely because the video drivers aren't working completely yet
[12:12] <bourbaki> Ok it is the XBian image that is broken it seems
[12:13] <creazur> bourbaki: You got the Raspbian running?
[12:13] <bourbaki> It boots fine it seems
[12:14] <bourbaki> So maybe ill try an older version of XBian
[12:14] <bourbaki> Or is there any other Os that just boots Kodi you can refer me to?
[12:15] <bourbaki> It is ment to be used by a friend of me who does not know much about computers and so :)
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[12:15] <pyroxide> OpenElec is it
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[12:15] <pyroxide> i believe
[12:16] <bourbaki> Yep or OsMC no idea which is better though
[12:17] <creazur> bourbaki: Can't tell about that one, sorry. I'm running solely on terminal ATM, dropped windowing off when I realised that only window that I had open was terminal
[12:18] <bourbaki> :)
[12:18] <bourbaki> Same for my Pi
[12:19] <bourbaki> Well if the image works it should just be a quick install so i can try them out
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[12:20] <Lina> o/
[12:21] <bourbaki> Lina Inverse?
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[12:23] <bourbaki> Ok now this is pretty interesting as well
[12:23] <pyroxide> hmm?
[12:24] <bourbaki> Now with the OpenELEC image i get the coloured square.
[12:24] <bourbaki> Which if i am not mistaken tells me that there is something wrong with the power right?
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[12:24] <ShorTie> or most likely the micro-usb power cable
[12:24] <pyroxide> um there are other possbiliities
[12:25] <ShorTie> you using a cheap phone charging cable ??
[12:25] <bourbaki> But it just worked fine with the rasbian image, thought it was the GUI less image
[12:25] <pyroxide> like i had that problem with an android build i was using.
[12:26] <pyroxide> i deleted my kernel
[12:26] <ShorTie> see if they got the current hack in the image
[12:26] <bourbaki> How do i see that?
[12:26] <pyroxide> bourbaki, did you download the update file or the disk image?
[12:26] <bourbaki> disk image
[12:27] <pyroxide> bourbaki, are your leds flashing?
[12:27] <ShorTie> look in for "max_usb_current=1" in /boot/config.txt
[12:28] <bourbaki> The red one is steady the green one blinks then goes blank and shows the coloured square
[12:28] <buZz> 'the colored square' is just the bootloader showing its existance
[12:28] <ShorTie> does you cord have like 24awg printed on it ??
[12:29] <bourbaki> No max usb in the config
[12:30] <bourbaki> 24awg?
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[12:30] <ShorTie> it's a wire size
[12:30] <bourbaki> Not that i am aware of
[12:30] <pyroxide> he booted to raspbian fine
[12:30] <bourbaki> Can not find anything like that printed on it
[12:31] <buZz> ShorTie: those size standards are used in about 0.5% of all nations worldwide
[12:31] <buZz> most nations upgraded to metric looooong agao
[12:31] <buZz> -a
[12:32] <pyroxide> implying metric is an upgrade
[12:32] <buZz> it increases accuracy
[12:32] <pyroxide> sry couldn't help myself
[12:32] <buZz> besides that, no
[12:32] <bourbaki> ok trying osmc now
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[12:33] <mlelstv> a metric ton is an upgrade from a short ton by about 10%.
[12:34] <pyroxide> I'll use metric to measure temperature of my computer and that's about it.
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[12:37] <bourbaki> LOL
[12:37] <bourbaki> Ok there apperently are more options not booting :)
[12:38] <bourbaki> Now the green and red light are constantly on
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[12:39] <pyroxide> and your hashes check out?
[12:40] <pyroxide> did you download using bittorrent client?
[12:40] <bourbaki> This one was my fault though
[12:40] <bourbaki> Downloaded the vero build, thought it was a codename for the build :)
[12:40] <pyroxide> o lawd
[12:41] <bourbaki> hehe
[12:44] <bourbaki> Ok OsMC boots into the square also
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[12:45] <pyroxide> how are you downloading?
[12:45] <bourbaki> the image?
[12:45] <pyroxide> yes
[12:45] <pyroxide> via browser or bittorrent?
[12:45] <bourbaki> browser
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[12:46] <bourbaki> Can i connect the Pi to my usb hub?
[12:46] <pyroxide> it sounds like you're having corruption issues with your downloads. you should check your md5 hash
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[12:47] <pyroxide> is it a powered hub?
[12:48] <bourbaki> yep
[12:48] <bourbaki> get the same square also though
[12:48] <pyroxide> it just adds another variable.
[12:49] <bourbaki> Ok i checked the md5 and it does not match ... is that hash on the site for the image or the zipped file?
[12:50] <pyroxide> zipped
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[12:51] <bourbaki> can it be correct that in the config file all the options are not seperated by a whitespace?
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[12:53] <pyroxide> my config.txt doesn't have whitespace around the =
[12:53] <bourbaki> inbetween
[12:54] <bourbaki> eg here it reads
[12:54] <deshipu> the space is optional
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[12:54] <bourbaki> disable_overscan=1framebuffer_depth=32gpu_mem=16
[12:54] <pyroxide> ah that's notepad for u
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[12:54] <bourbaki> ah yeah windoze
[12:54] <pyroxide> it's linux line endings
[12:54] <Tenkawa> greetings all
[12:55] <deshipu> that's just notebad being stupid and expecting windows newlines
[12:55] <deshipu> use a real editor
[12:55] <pyroxide> i use notepad++
[12:55] <bourbaki> i got atom and sublime :)
[12:55] <bourbaki> anyway... why why why?
[12:56] <Tenkawa> are mini-hdmi cables as astronomicly priced for your areas as they are here compared to regular or micr?
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[12:59] <bourbaki> The checksum matches as well
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[13:01] <pigrit> what kind of halfwit without a pi designed the pimoroni tft screen support ??
[13:01] <mlelstv> ?
[13:02] <pigrit> the leg gets right in the way of 2 usb ports on the pi2
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[13:02] <pigrit> scratch that, it's a B+, not even a 2
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[13:02] <mlelstv> that's a larger tft ?
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[13:03] <pigrit> it's for the 'official' screen
[13:03] <mlelstv> hmm
[13:04] <pigrit> the jumpwires touch the table, the leg gets in the way of 2 usb ports out of 4, and there's no actual protection of anything because there is no framing around the screen
[13:04] <pigrit> I could have made this out of cardboard and saved me the 20 bucks
[13:04] <pyroxide> i've heard only bad things about the official screen
[13:04] <pigrit> the screen so far is ok
[13:05] <buZz> its a bit lowres
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[13:05] <buZz> for such a big screen at such a high price
[13:06] <buZz> i would have rather see them making a universal-ish LVDS adapter for it
[13:06] <buZz> so we could just pull screens out of laptops etc
[13:06] <pyroxide> haha
[13:06] <buZz> its not as far fetched as you think
[13:06] <buZz> similar boards cost ~15-20 usd in china
[13:07] <at0m> Tenkawa: i use hdmi to mini/micro adapters. probably 2€ each.
[13:07] <buZz> (to connect hdmi/vga)
[13:07] <Tenkawa> at0m: i 'just' saw those.... i think thats the route i'm going to
[13:07] <Tenkawa> er too
[13:07] <Tenkawa> thanks for confirming that works
[13:07] <at0m> Tenkawa: probably puts a bit more strain on the mini hdmi ports, but i'm trying to be careful
[13:08] <Tenkawa> nod
[13:08] <buZz> mini hdmi isnt as popular as micro hdmi
[13:08] <buZz> guess thats why boredcom used em
[13:08] <Tenkawa> buZz: heheh
[13:08] <at0m> my hd cam uses mini, tablet micro
[13:08] <buZz> could probably source the connectors for cheap cause nobody wants them
[13:08] <buZz> at0m: my hdmi screen uses micro, my 8" archos tablet mini :)
[13:09] <Tenkawa> all of my stuff uses regular or micro except the zero
[13:09] <at0m> buZz: not that uncommon after all then :)
[13:09] <buZz> ;) i dont count
[13:09] <buZz> too much hardware
[13:09] <at0m> ^
[13:09] <buZz> i have 4 tablets, for instance
[13:09] <buZz> wait no, 5
[13:09] <Tenkawa> i probably have an adapter in my mix of stuff
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[13:10] <Tenkawa> buZz: i hear ya
[13:10] <buZz> thanks
[13:10] <buZz> #feelsgood
[13:10] <buZz> ;)
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[13:10] <Tenkawa> i've got a 'few' myself
[13:11] <Tenkawa> hahaha
[13:13] <Tenkawa> ugh its so cold
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[13:13] <Tenkawa> 12f/-11c here right now
[13:14] <Tenkawa> spring cant get here fast enough
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[13:43] <bourbaki> pyroxide: I found the problem
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[13:48] <jancoow> what is your problem
[13:49] <bourbaki> The problem was that it is not a Pi2
[13:49] <bourbaki> But a Pi1 B+
[13:49] <jancoow> lolololo
[13:49] <bourbaki> :)
[13:50] <jancoow> thats really funny ;p
[13:50] <bourbaki> When i got the box though i was told it is a Pi2
[13:50] <bourbaki> And its already cased
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[14:02] <D3add3d> Hello, I have a few questions: 1st: I messed up when changing password for root on MINIBIAN and now I can't log in, is there any parameter I can enter into cmdline.txt that would log me into root console? 2nd: I have problems with my MicroSD card corruption because Pi likes to hang randomly so I would like to know what should be the voltage between TP1 and TP2 for RasPi 1 B with only powered USB hub and cat6 ethernet cable plugged in
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[14:10] <deshipu> D3add3d: 1 yes, 2 no idea
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[14:11] <deshipu> D3add3d: init=/bin/sh
[14:11] <deshipu> D3add3d: then you have to remount / to rw and you can change the password
[14:11] <D3add3d> thanks, gonna try it now
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[14:23] <D3add3d> ok... did not work: /bin/sh: 0: can't access tty: job control turned off
[14:23] <fluffet> rip
[14:24] <D3add3d> also the voltage is +4.25V
[14:25] <D3add3d> using 1A 5V htc phone charger :-/
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[14:26] <Anderson69s> Hi everyone how are you? anyone has already try to launch shairplay on boot with jessie?
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[14:33] <Encapsulation> any good projects in here?
[14:34] <Encapsulation> interested in projects utilizing GPIO only
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[14:44] <gordonDrogon> good time of day to you ..
[14:45] <ozzzy> how non-committal
[14:45] <gordonDrogon> global.
[14:46] <gordonDrogon> happy local timezone :)
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[14:46] <gordonDrogon> but its always lunchtime somewhere ...
[14:47] <ozzzy> mmmm... lunch
[14:47] <jancoow> mmmmmmm
[14:47] <jancoow> lunch :)
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[15:03] <D3add3d> allright, /bin/bash worked but I can't change the password or remount the fs
[15:03] <Encapsulation> niston, hows everything going =D
[15:03] <niston> hey Encap :D
[15:03] <niston> ltns
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[15:05] <jancoow> the moment when you draw a really big svg map of your house.. and gimp doesnt have a option to export multiple paths to svg -.-"
[15:05] <jancoow> #fml
[15:06] <ozzzy> mmm... sausages and an onion and pepper omelet
[15:07] <gordonDrogon> Oh oh ... https://shop.pimoroni.com/search?type=product&q=zero
[15:07] <gordonDrogon> Zeros in-stock at pimoroni!
[15:08] <AiGreek> ...meh...
[15:08] <jancoow> not for long
[15:08] <jancoow> Pi Zero only  RPI-008£4Out of stock
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[15:15] <h4x3> does someone have experiences in pi for homeautomation?
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[15:17] <jancoow> yes!
[15:18] <jancoow> i'm currently working on it :)
[15:19] <h4x3> which system? homematic maybe?
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[15:19] <jancoow> nope created it by my own
[15:19] <jancoow> https://jancokock.me/f/8846e/
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[16:02] <Tenkawa> yay mi pi zero is running and online
[16:02] <Tenkawa> completely with no console or video
[16:02] <Tenkawa> it was relatively easy too
[16:03] <Tenkawa> just prepped an sd and used a chroot.. nice to be using arm as my desktop
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[16:03] <Tenkawa> this thing is neat
[16:06] <Tenkawa> already getting looks by people who see it
[16:06] <Tenkawa> they cant believe its a full computer
[16:07] <Tenkawa> I thought armhf couldnt run on the pi zero...
[16:07] <frerich> Tenkawa: The same people who use Android/iOS phones? :-}
[16:08] <Tenkawa> frerich: no.. people who are shocked this is a computer
[16:09] <frerich> Tenkawa: Right, I mean - I know some people are 'shocked' by the RPi but at the same time carry quad-core smartphones running ARM processors and >1GB RAM around without even blinking :-)
[16:09] <Tenkawa> ahhhhh
[16:09] <lonefish> but if you compare prices..
[16:09] <Tenkawa> yeah... a lot dont understand whats inside the casw
[16:09] <chesty> i got it frerich, i never thought of it that way
[16:09] <Tenkawa> er case
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[16:10] <chesty> i think license to patents
[16:11] <chesty> it's like rpi you can buy a license for mpeg or something from memory
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[16:11] <Tenkawa> licensing technology is always "interesting"
[16:12] <gordonDrogon> pimoroni: out of Zeros again!
[16:12] <Tenkawa> gordonDrogon: i just wish my local shop had them again now so i could pick up a few more
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[16:13] <BurtyB> woo 1 zero left heh
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[16:14] <Tenkawa> do you all think the foundation will continue to make them?
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[16:15] <gordonDrogon> absolutley.
[16:15] <gordonDrogon> actually, pimoroni have zeros with the scroll phat kit.
[16:16] <BurtyB> gordonDrogon, had heh
[16:17] <gordonDrogon> https://shop.pimoroni.com/products/pi-zero-project-kit-w-scroll-phat <-- 17 left
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[16:18] <BurtyB> ah, I was looking at the one with a pibow that was 1 left and now none
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[16:24] <Tenkawa> wow this little box has a nice io backplane
[16:24] <Tenkawa> box/board
[16:25] <Tenkawa> getting major wifi output via usb
[16:25] <gordonDrogon> what box?
[16:26] <Tenkawa> the pi zero
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[16:27] <gordonDrogon> the "io backplane" is the same as on all 40-pin Pi's.
[16:27] <Tenkawa> I'm just saying
[16:27] <Tenkawa> its nice and speedy usb
[16:27] <gordonDrogon> you must be new here ;-)
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[16:27] <Tenkawa> um no
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[16:38] <Kitt3n> I'll assume having USB to UART adapter cause a blue screen of death on windows 7 is not normal?
[16:38] <Tenkawa> ouch
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[16:38] <Kitt3n> yes, very ouch :s
[16:39] <Tenkawa> I assume not however I cant confirm since I dont have a win7 box anymore
[16:39] <Kitt3n> I got a MULTIPLE_IRP_COMPLETE_REQUESTS bsod, yay
[16:39] <Tenkawa> is it right when you plug it in or only when accessed?
[16:40] <Kitt3n> I plugged it in, and booted up the raspberry pi with freebsd, got output
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[16:40] <Kitt3n> a LOT of valid output, then when it was done booting up it crashed with that
[16:40] <Tenkawa> intriguing
[16:40] <BurtyB> Kitt3n, I've been getting bsod when I unplug with my ftdi adapter on win7 recently
[16:41] <Kitt3n> what's worse is, I have a bunch of uart adapters, none of them work, but this one heh.
[16:41] <Kitt3n> BurtyB, prolific 2303?
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[16:42] <BurtyB> Kitt3n, nah I'm using an ft232rl
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[16:44] <Kitt3n> well, seems some prolific dude has been looking into it
[16:45] <Kitt3n> weeeell, I have a newer version then what's currently posted on there, GG.
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[17:06] <Kitt3n> well, went the easy route with FreeBSD on my laptop, works fine on there
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[17:13] <B0g4r7_> Heya. I want to use the ADS1115 board to sample 8 differential inputs. Is 4 ADS boards the correct answer, or should I be using 1 board + a "muxer" chip?
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[17:16] <B0g4r7_> I was looking at these 4051 chips, wondering if they'd be appropriate.
[17:20] <B0g4r7_> The voltage being sampled is small. 1V maximum, with 6mV typical. High precision is desired.
[17:21] <SpeedEvil> nothing wrong with 4051s.
[17:22] <SpeedEvil> Apart from resistance.
[17:22] <SpeedEvil> define 'high precisiou'
[17:22] <SpeedEvil> n
[17:22] <SpeedEvil> what sample-speed?
[17:22] <miigotu> Hey all, anyone heard/know anything about decode_DTS key yet?
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[17:23] <B0g4r7_> Sample speed is not very important. The precision is more like distinguishing 6.00mV from 6.01mV.
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[17:23] <B0g4r7_> Resistance in the chip should be OK so long as it's consistent.
[17:24] <B0g4r7_> 10sps would be fine.
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[17:25] <methuzla> B0g4r7_ those ADS1115 are i2c based, so if your board let's you set 4 different addresses, then you could use 4 boards
[17:25] <B0g4r7_> Yeah, I was gonna do 4 boards, but 1 plus a muxer would be nicer cost-wise.
[17:25] <methuzla> your call
[17:26] <B0g4r7_> Can y'all think of a more natural choice than a 4051, or would the 4051 be a good option to try first?
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[17:32] <B0g4r7_> I guess I'll give 'em a try. At 50c each I've not got a lot to lose.
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[17:34] <Tenkawa> this is fun :)
[17:35] <Tenkawa> anyone done any current measurements on the pi-zero at diff utilization levels yet?
[17:35] * BurtyB saw a few a while back
[17:36] <Tenkawa> i imagiine they were tiny?
[17:36] <B0g4r7_> There's a guy on the rpi forums describing a similar project, and the posters are all saying "watch out for common mode voltage", and "you'll need op-amps to scale the inputs".
[17:37] <BurtyB> Tenkawa, 100-150mA or something iirc
[17:37] <deshipu> watch out for the IDE of March
[17:37] <Tenkawa> nice
[17:37] <Tenkawa> can use my really small usb power adapters
[17:38] <B0g4r7_> That's around half a watt. About what a WR703N uses.
[17:39] <pksato> B0g4r7_: 6mV? need a precision/low noise amplifier.
[17:40] <pksato> I dont know ADS1115.
[17:42] <B0g4r7_> They're supposed to have a 16 bit resolution, with a [selectable] 0-0.256V range.
[17:42] <pksato> from TI page, Customers who designed with ADS1115 also designed with OPA227
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[17:47] <SpeedEvil> B0g4r7_: is this thermocouple?
[17:48] <B0g4r7_> No, it's a current monitor of sorts. Measure the voltage across the resistors to determine current.
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[17:53] <BurtyB> B0g4r7_, INA219 or similar might save some effort
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[17:55] <B0g4r7_> That does look like it does the kind of things I'm looking for. Thx.
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[17:59] <pksato> current measurement need a low resitance shunt, that need a voltage amplification.
[18:00] <pksato> ADS1115 datasheet have a exemple circuity to measure current.
[18:01] <B0g4r7_> I'm using 1 ohm resistors currently. I had some 0.1s in mind to use in the next iteration.
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[18:02] <gordonDrogon> I've just ordered an ads1115 as it seems quite popular. will get wiringPi support soon.
[18:02] <B0g4r7_> 1 watt 1%
[18:02] <gordonDrogon> what sort of current?
[18:02] <pksato> B0g4r7_: that is the load?
[18:03] <B0g4r7_> 60mA is typical. Planning for ~10A absolute maximum.
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[18:03] <B0g4r7_> The load is a PoE device running on 24V or 48V DC.
[18:03] <gordonDrogon> I^2 R loss... at 10A is huge .. 100 watts ..
[18:04] <gordonDrogon> (over a 1Ω resistor)
[18:06] <B0g4r7_> I thought it'd be 10W dissipated by the resistor at 10A current, 1 ohm resistor...
[18:07] <gordonDrogon> V = IR... P = IV ... re-arrange to get P = I*I*R, commonly known as the eye squared arr loss ...
[18:07] <B0g4r7_> Hmm...
[18:07] <gordonDrogon> this is why you run power over long distances at higher (and higher) voltages - to reduce the current.
[18:08] <B0g4r7_> Well yeah. Less current, less metal needed to carry it.
[18:09] <gordonDrogon> so you really want to look at a 0.01 Ω resistor - and even that will dissipate 1 watt at 10 amps.
[18:09] <B0g4r7_> I don't expect to see 10A normally. The 24-ga wires in cat-5 are only rated for 3.5A, and ppl usually don't push them anywhere near that hard.
[18:10] <gordonDrogon> isn't PoE normally limited to about 15w per device anyway?
[18:10] <pksato> 10A on PoE? or on PSU of PoE feed panel?
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[18:11] <B0g4r7_> Yeah, normally it's something like that. I think 802.3af allows 60W using all 4 pairs.
[18:12] <philm88> Hey all. Would a pi 2 be powerful enough to; display a webpage with embeded video on a screen via DSI and also do gesture detection via a camera on CSI? Or am I just wanting to do too much at once?
[18:12] <B0g4r7_> 10A would be a rare and momentary case.
[18:12] <gordonDrogon> momemtary melt-down :)
[18:12] <pksato> 480W
[18:12] <B0g4r7_> I'll re-examine my power calculations and assumptions.
[18:13] <pksato> on cat5/6 cable.
[18:13] <pksato> need a fireman very close.
[18:14] <pksato> http://www.ti.com/lsds/ti/power-management/power-over-ethernet-products.page
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[18:14] <A_storm> Hi, I just recently got a raspberry pi and I can't get the os installed. I put noobs on a sd card and it boots to noobs but when I choose any of these os's it just tells me they are incompatable why?
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[18:15] <gordonDrogon> A_storm, what size SD card? I think you need at least 8GB these days ...
[18:15] <A_storm> 32Gb
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[18:16] <Berg> what model raspberry pi A_storm
[18:16] <A_storm> B+
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[18:17] <heller_> so guys
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[18:17] <heller_> what is the most simple to way to make raspberry pi stay alive over short powerouts?
[18:18] <heller_> i'm planning to make raspberry pi a 247 logger, but i know it will suffer from power outages 2-4 times a summer
[18:18] <A_storm> Connect it to a battery?
[18:18] <heller_> and i want it to survive them
[18:18] <Tenkawa> heller_: hmm.. I wonder if a battery would work
[18:18] <heller_> A_storm: i was thinking about a usb powerbank, but i think they will die over time?
[18:19] <philm88> Does it matter if it can't log while the power is off?
[18:19] <pksato> heller_: usb battery pack.
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[18:19] <pksato> with bypass.
[18:19] <A_storm> I was going to suggest the powerbank never had any experience besides I use it to power my pi so far
[18:19] <gordonDrogon> I have an older Anker USB charger power thing - I discovered that it will charge - slowly - when on the mains and powering a Pi. It would power a Pi for almost 24 hours. (15,000mA version)
[18:19] <gordonDrogon> so not as good as a proper UPS, but ...
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[18:20] <mewteu> anyone know of any redhat OSs that'll work on a raspi 2?
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[18:21] <Kitt3n> mewteu, fedora
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[18:21] <mewteu> will base fedora work on a raspi fine?
[18:22] <Kitt3n> mewteu, if the code / programs work on arm, sure
[18:22] <Kitt3n> :P
[18:22] <mewteu> hm
[18:22] <mewteu> aight
[18:22] <mewteu> thanks ^^
[18:23] <heller_> philm88: log what?
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[18:23] <norlevo> hey rodger, may I help you?
[18:23] <ppq> mewteu, http://seven.centos.org/2015/06/another-proof-of-concept-armv7hl-release-this-one-for-the-raspberry-pi2/
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[18:24] <philm88> heller_: you tell me "i'm planning to make raspberry pi a 247 logger"
[18:24] <mewteu> oh wow, thanks
[18:24] <heller_> ah
[18:25] <ppq> https://wiki.centos.org/Download
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[18:25] <ppq> there's a pi2 link
[18:25] <ppq> http://mirror.centos.org/altarch/7/isos/armhfp/CentOS-Userland-7-armv7hl-Minimal-1511-RaspberryPi2.img.xz
[18:25] <heller_> philm88: i mean i dont mind dropping data. but im concerned about sd-card wearing out with powerouts
[18:25] <heller_> or if someone needs to change the power socket
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[18:26] <yoosi> Adafruit has Pi Zero in stock
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[18:26] <Tenkawa> again?
[18:26] <yoosi> Yes. I just placed an order
[18:26] * Tenkawa looks
[18:26] <Tenkawa> i just got one from the last order
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[18:27] <yoosi> Nice
[18:28] <yoosi> This is the first time I've been there in time
[18:28] <Tenkawa> heeheh still limit
[18:28] <Tenkawa> 1
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[18:29] <Tenkawa> brb.. i hope...
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[18:33] <brianx> ppq: you can also install fedora23 from redhat images using steps from my blog and no code from any untrusted source. https://chisight.wordpress.com/2015/10/19/fedora-22-or-23-on-raspberry-pi-2/
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[18:34] <Tenkawa> yay!
[18:35] <ppq> brianx, nice. but with the (official) centos image linked above there's no need to fiddle with firmware files
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[18:39] <brianx> i thought centos distro policy prevented them from distributing an official image that could boot the gpu because it's closed source.
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[18:39] <brianx> that you could only simply image from 3rd party images.
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[18:43] <brianx> that is clearly their servers though.... reading the docs on centos.org i can't reconcile the two.
[18:44] <Tenkawa> i can't wait for the pi zero's to be avail locally again... I'll definitely be picking up more
[18:44] <Tenkawa> (if) they ever make it back
[18:44] <t3chguy> Tenkawa: sure they will
[18:44] <t3chguy> I want 4
[18:44] <t3chguy> to add to my 2
[18:44] <Tenkawa> t3chguy: I sure hope so.. microcenter had them and i missed out by a few hours
[18:44] <Tenkawa> got one from adafruit
[18:45] <t3chguy> I got both of mine from Pimoroni
[18:45] <Berg> nun in australia
[18:45] * Berg sad
[18:45] <Tenkawa> wheres pimoroni?
[18:45] <t3chguy> UK
[18:45] <Tenkawa> countr?
[18:45] <Tenkawa> ahhh
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[18:45] <Tenkawa> usa here
[18:46] <Berg> anyway when you guys ahve all got bored with them send them to me
[18:46] <Berg> *OK*
[18:46] <Tenkawa> Berg: heheheheheh
[18:46] <heller_> can i charge an SLA battery with lab power with current limit?
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[18:48] <brianx> ppq: https://wiki.centos.org/SpecialInterestGroup/AltArch/Arm32#head-6c398ac6c18c92aca61ac974866636e43c48d2eb notes the exception to the policy in the comment on section "Why CentOS on ARMv7hl boards"
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[18:49] <ppq> brianx, that's why they use the foundation's rpi kernel in their image
[18:49] <brianx> sweet that there is at least a semi-official image of a fedora-ish os. :-)
[18:50] <brianx> hopefully it won't be too much longer until there is open source boot code available at least. so that headless pis can be fully open.
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[18:53] <brianx> once headless works fully open, it opens the door to nvidia like post install closed source video drivers.
[18:54] * Tenkawa starts tuning on his pi-zero setup
[18:54] <heller_> philm88: what if i just hook few supercaps to the 5V rail of rpi?
[18:55] <Tenkawa> brb.... again
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[18:56] <A_storm> https://docs.particle.io/guide/getting-started/examples/photon/ On Controlling LEDs over the net. Why do they put String command. C doesn't have a string type though
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[19:00] <mixfix41> would you guys get a heatsink for the pi?
[19:00] <heller_> no
[19:00] <mixfix41> ok
[19:00] <mixfix41> could just use a spare
[19:00] <heller_> mixfix41: may i ask why should you?
[19:00] <mixfix41> thats true
[19:00] <B0g4r7_> My Pis have never felt too hot to me.
[19:00] <mixfix41> i saw it
[19:00] <brianx> A_storm: that's not pure C. it's a variant.
[19:00] <mixfix41> haha im getting a dongle for a remote
[19:00] <heller_> i've got pi's in sealed cases and they wont go over 50c
[19:01] <B0g4r7_> But I don't have the CPU continuously loaded and I don't OC.
[19:01] <A_storm> How can you tell? and what are the differences
[19:01] <mixfix41> is there anyway to use a dongle and wifi or should they get under a certain power level to work right
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[19:02] <brianx> A_storm: i can tell because they tell you to use their IDE. you'll have to look at their site to learn all the differences, there's lots of little stuff but it's mostly C/C++ like.
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[19:03] <Tenkawa> wow this is a fun little box
[19:03] <Tenkawa> and so easy to backup
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[19:10] <mixfix41> does the remote control able to power on the board?
[19:11] <mixfix41> this case looks cool https://www.adafruit.com/images/1200x900/2346-01.jpg
[19:11] <Tenkawa> anyone tried a newer kernel than the 4.1 one thats on the zero raspbian image?
[19:12] <Tenkawa> anything interesting to report?
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[19:13] <brianx> Tenkawa: uname -a Linux raspberrypi 4.4.0-rc6+ #14 PREEMPT Fri Dec 25 01:46:06 GMT 2015 armv6l GNU/Linux
[19:13] <brianx> nothing interesting at all. just works.
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[19:13] <Tenkawa> nice :)
[19:14] * Tenkawa will be working on that after this backup is donr
[19:14] <Tenkawa> er done
[19:14] <Tenkawa> I've got 4.4.0-rc8 on this exynos box heheeh
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[19:15] <gordonDrogon> I stopped chasing linux kernels 10 years ago... if it works...
[19:15] <TrekBike> What does 4.4.0 do that would make it worth the effort?
[19:15] <Tenkawa> I like analyzing the code changes
[19:15] <mixfix41> is there a big difference in speed i remmeber using arch linux on the older model
[19:15] <gordonDrogon> dsx:~$ uname -a
[19:15] <gordonDrogon> Linux dsx #1 PREEMPT Sun Oct 24 18:24:00 BST 2010 i686 GNU/Linux
[19:15] <mixfix41> wasnt that fast
[19:15] <gordonDrogon> :)
[19:15] <Tenkawa> I'm just weird
[19:16] <TrekBike> I've been trying to find ways to tune this little pi
[19:16] <TrekBike> Its a model 2 but I put a 64GB card in it.
[19:16] <mixfix41> the ultimate test is a fps game
[19:17] <TrekBike> I know people say the class 10 cards aren't any faster than the 4 and 6 cards, but Amazon had a sale on this particular Transcend class 10 card.
[19:17] * gordonDrogon hits a Pi ... Bb I think ..
[19:17] <gordonDrogon> it's obviously out of tune ...
[19:18] * brianx hands gordonDrogon a tuning fork.
[19:18] <TrekBike> tenkawa: Any thoughts on CFQ, vs Deadline vs NOOP IO scheduler?
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[19:18] <Tenkawa> TrekBike: that was going to be my next experiment
[19:18] <traeak> getting urban terror to run would be as simple as porting ioquake for urban terror?
[19:19] <TrekBike> I've read some people say deadline is better than CFQ and NOOP for flash cards. I'm not sure how to benchmark effectively.
[19:19] <Tenkawa> itssetup as deadline however I think cfq might work better knowing its footprint
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[19:19] <traeak> i would like to see urban terror running on rpi2
[19:19] <traeak> be a good lan party game, the rpi2 hardware would mostly even the field
[19:19] <TrekBike> From what I've read, but I can't speak to the legitimacy, CFQ is better for rotational media but deadline can coalesce writes that are close together and you may get larger blocks written.
[19:20] * Tenkawa 'd rather run old dos games
[19:20] <Tenkawa> hehehe
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[19:20] <gordonDrogon> I ran doom on my Pi on day 1.
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[19:20] <Tenkawa> gordonDrogon: i bet that was fun
[19:20] <gordonDrogon> it was playable ...
[19:20] <traeak> doom isn't currently entertaining for multiplayer
[19:20] <gordonDrogon> I even got sound..
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[19:21] <Tenkawa> I might setup an old mud on this pi zero for the heck of it
[19:21] <Tenkawa> just because it would be neat
[19:21] <gordonDrogon> ah mud.
[19:21] <gordonDrogon> I ran one for about 22 years once upon a time. Maybe I ought to resurect it...
[19:21] <Tenkawa> how overclock friendly is this board btw?
[19:22] <Tenkawa> gordonDrogon: same here..
[19:22] <gordonDrogon> which board?
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[19:22] <Tenkawa> gordonDrogon: zero
[19:22] <traeak> mud? rpi0 would eat it up heavily
[19:22] <traeak> mud ran on 8088's :-p
[19:22] <traeak> or could run on them even
[19:22] <Tenkawa> traeak: i know.. its just fun :)
[19:22] <gordonDrogon> personally, I'd leave the zero at 1GHz.
[19:23] <Tenkawa> gordonDrogon: oh.. I'm not even running that fast atm
[19:23] <gordonDrogon> you might push it a bit higher, but I'd rather have stability any day.
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[19:23] <mixfix41> i was trying to order from the british site that was weird
[19:23] <gordonDrogon> 1GHz is supposed to be the default on the zero ...
[19:23] <TrekBike> I set this particular pi 2 to the 1GHz / 500 Mhz from raspi-config
[19:24] <Tenkawa> It might be.. have to check my txt file agaon
[19:24] <Tenkawa> once my backup is done
[19:24] <Tenkawa> I really like having a native arm box to do my dev work and testing for these
[19:25] * Tenkawa uses a chromebook as his main laptop
[19:25] <Tenkawa> since 90%+ of what I use is ARM it comes in handy
[19:25] <gordonDrogon> I still have an old x86 workstation.
[19:26] <kapitanf> I search good chat server program for pi writen in c.
[19:26] <gordonDrogon> although my old laptop has just died - rather unsporting of it.
[19:26] <Tenkawa> gordonDrogon: I have one... havent powered it up in months though
[19:26] <gordonDrogon> kapitanf, it's called IRC ..
[19:26] <kapitanf> yes
[19:26] <Tenkawa> got an x86 windows box for my windows needs
[19:26] <Tenkawa> not even running 64 bit
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[19:26] <gordonDrogon> I no-longer have any MS Windows systems. My copy of win95 died with my laptop.
[19:27] <p71> traeak: I've had a desire to try Urban Terror on my RPi as well, just haven't gotten around to it.
[19:27] <gordonDrogon> desktop is Linux - has been for... a very long time.
[19:27] <Xenthys> gordonDrogon: hi, sorry to bother you with that, I just want you to know that a bot running here has seen its cloak updated so I'd like to know if the new one is still good for here
[19:27] <Tenkawa> I need one for a few apps I support however thats about it
[19:27] <B0g4r7_> My Windows instances are confined to VMs.
[19:27] <traeak> p71 should just be porting urban terror's ioquake3 fork right ?
[19:27] <gordonDrogon> Xenthys, what bot? I didn't know there was one...
[19:28] <mixfix41> never seen this dongle
[19:28] <mixfix41> www.mcmelectronics.com/product/DISTRIBUTED-BY-MCM-2133900-/831-3058
[19:28] <p71> traeak: main problem is that I don't think there's a UrT exec compiled for ARM... only .exe and x86/x86_64 *nix
[19:28] <B0g4r7_> kapitanf, chat server, eh? Yeah, I tend to just run ircd hooked up to sshd. Simple, and secured end-to-end.
[19:28] <TrekBike> I have a windows laptop but I made the mistake of downgrading from Windows 7 to Windows 10.
[19:28] <Xenthys> gordonDrogon: Anaxyn, approved the 2015-10-13 by Sean, cloak updated yeasterday
[19:28] <p71> traeak: yeah, but UrT don't release their source.
[19:28] <Xenthys> *yesterday >_>
[19:29] <traeak> p71: of course its not compiled...there's not even arm code in their base, however the whole server/client stuff is on github
[19:29] <p71> traeak: I thought, possibly start with http://www.raspbian.org/RaspbianQuake3 and try to mesh together with the .pk3 files
[19:29] <traeak> p71: i think its that UrT doesn't release their pk3s
[19:29] <traeak> p71: pk3's run on the ioquake3 VM so shouldn't be any machine code in there
[19:29] <traeak> p71: i think
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[19:30] <p71> traeak: ah, that could be. I wasn't sure if .pk3 was arch-dependent
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[19:30] <gordonDrogon> Xenthys, well is sean approved it, then its fine.
[19:30] <p71> traeak: er, at least, what the UrT peeps put in them
[19:30] <Tenkawa> what dtb does the pi zero use?
[19:30] <traeak> p71: would require porting all the vanilla ioquak3 arm stuff to the urt fork. i dont' know this for certain
[19:30] <traeak> p71: what ido know is urt does run on 3 x86 platforms
[19:31] <gordonDrogon> dtb ?
[19:31] <Xenthys> gordonDrogon: I just wanted to know if the current cloak is still valid as it doesn't really match *!*@*/bot/*
[19:31] <Tenkawa> gordonDrogon: doesnt the zero use device tree>
[19:31] <Tenkawa> er ?
[19:31] <p71> traeak: that's my best guess... I remember, back in the day, that you could run UrT with either a Q3 copy or ioQ3. with the official Q3 copy, you just copied .pk3s to a folder
[19:31] <gordonDrogon> Tenkawa, oh that dtb. I've no idea. I'm not a fan, but need to tolerate it.
[19:32] <Tenkawa> indeed
[19:32] <gordonDrogon> Xenthys, I'll need to talk to sean about it.
[19:32] <p71> traeak: and then sent params to the q3 executable, so that it launched the mod.
[19:32] <Tenkawa> who was that running the 4.4 kernel? (lost my scrollback)
[19:32] <traeak> p71: i think they just forked their own ioquake3
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[19:32] <p71> traeak: since that was a while ago, I don't know if they super-customized the launch executable for ioquake3 since then...
[19:33] <Xenthys> gordonDrogon: ok thanks :)
[19:34] <traeak> p71: https://github.com/Barbatos/ioq3-for-UrbanTerror-4
[19:34] <traeak> p71: i think that's it
[19:34] <p71> traeak: yeah, but not sure if they forked the driving executable itself, or just the .pk3s
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[19:34] <traeak> p71: the pk3's are theirs, they own it
[19:34] <p71> traeak: ah, sweet!
[19:34] <traeak> p71: but I *think* that stuff is platform independent, i don't know exactlyf or certain
[19:35] <traeak> p71: there's no arm stuff in there
[19:35] <traeak> p71: which could be the trouble
[19:35] <p71> traeak: yup, that's my hope, that they don't have arch-specific stuff in the pk3s. so just need the ioquake3.arm and good to go (maybe)
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[19:36] <p71> traeak: this git project is promising... I'll have to try it out (whenever I can find the time)
[19:36] <Kitt3n> the quake pack files should be arch independent data only o_O
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[19:37] <traeak> Kitt3n: that run on the quake3 VM which has its own machine code
[19:37] <traeak> theoretically
[19:37] <ShapeShifter499> hi
[19:37] <p71> traeak: the one thing that sorta deterred me from putting effort into UrT on RPi was the slow I/O aspect. I already run UrT server on old x86 hardware, so... meh ;-)
[19:38] <Kitt3n> traeak, the problem would come in the ioquake binary, if it contains x86 only code, then well
[19:38] <Tenkawa> are any of the gpio adapters for the pi's headers "not" solder or will i need to solder anything i want to add gpio?
[19:38] <traeak> Kitt3n: the source code for the fork is totally available
[19:38] <traeak> Kitt3n: the source code only has support for x86, 32 and 64bit
[19:38] <Kitt3n> traeak, I don't care to look :P
[19:38] <ShapeShifter499> I have a project idea for the pizero I'm waiting for to come in the mail. Using the old GameBoy Advance I broke a while back (I was younger and shorted the board when messing around lol)
[19:38] <ShapeShifter499> as a case
[19:38] <p71> Kitt3n: lol
[19:39] <traeak> Kitt3n: so would require porting all the rpi ioquake3 stuff over
[19:39] <ShapeShifter499> Does anyone know if I could use the GBA screen for video output?
[19:39] <traeak> yeah i know
[19:39] <ShapeShifter499> Assuming the only damage was the board, the screen should still be fine
[19:39] <ShapeShifter499> maybe it'd be better to buy a pizero compatible small screen instead to replace
[19:40] <TrekBike> You'd have to find the datasheet to see how to talk to the screen.
[19:40] <yoosi> ShapeShifter499: It hasn't been done to my knowledge
[19:41] <yoosi> People have put Pi Zeros in GBA SP cases but they used a third party screen
[19:41] <ShapeShifter499> do you guys think the resolution would be crap if I were able to make it work?
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[19:41] <yoosi> Depends on what you'd use it for. It's great for GBA emulation. Crap for terminal
[19:41] <TrekBike> The googles says its a 240x160 screen
[19:41] <p71> traeak: looks like Barbatos is an actual Frozen Sand dev, so I think there's a good chance it should work.
[19:42] <ShapeShifter499> yea I'll just get a better screen for a replacement job
[19:42] <traeak> p71: yeah...for x86 :-p
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[19:42] <yoosi> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KSBGk25Vamk
[19:42] <yoosi> "Pi SP - The Worlds Smallest Portable Raspberry Pi Computer in a GBA SP Case!"
[19:42] <yoosi> This was pre-Zero era
[19:43] <traeak> p71: probably just need to try compiilng x86, then look at setting up cross compilation to arm and hopefully the renders for rpi will drop right in
[19:43] <p71> traeak: true... a good place to start. I might fork off that repo and tinker.
[19:43] <p71> traeak: yep, that's what we can hope.
[19:43] <ShapeShifter499> yoosi: I happen to have a sp, but it's working.... I rather not experiment on working items lol
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[19:44] <yoosi> I'm backlighting and biverting an original Gameboy. It's a red play it loud edition
[19:44] <yoosi> I plan to have a red backlight
[19:44] <p71> traeak: also, I figured I'd just run the RPi as a dedicated server, so I'm less interested in getting all the graphics to work perfectly.
[19:44] <traeak> p71: i probably should get cracking though since i do want to clean up some midi stuff
[19:44] <yoosi> So I can play Pokemon Red on red on red
[19:44] <ShapeShifter499> lol nice
[19:44] <traeak> p71: i would be interested in the graphics part
[19:45] <p71> traeak: gotcha, I should get going too... take it easy! :-)
[19:45] <yoosi> I love my Pi 2 server
[19:45] <ShapeShifter499> would the PiZero be powerful enough for PS1 emulation?
[19:45] <yoosi> Runs ZNC as my IRC bouncer, WeeChat as my chat client, Tmux, and of course SSH for connectivity from work
[19:45] <yoosi> Also BitlBee for Google Talk and Twitter integration
[19:46] <B0g4r7_> Hmm. I have an Atom-based file server. I wonder how a Pi would do.
[19:46] <A_storm> Tried installing raspbian on B+ but it tells me Error downloading or extracting tar ball corrupted data
[19:46] <B0g4r7_> Maybe the next Pi will have 10/100/1000 and USB 3.
[19:46] <Kitt3n> ^
[19:46] <Kitt3n> that would be AMAZING
[19:48] <pksato> Next can be a powerfull $100 RPi (with sata, GiB eth, wifi dual band, usb 3.x, etc). :)
[19:48] <TrekBike> I'd still like to see built in WiFi+BT
[19:48] <B0g4r7_> and SFP. ;)
[19:48] <ShapeShifter499> hmm I'll do some messing around then
[19:51] <gordonDrogon> moononnastick?
[19:51] <gordonDrogon> :)
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[19:52] <Tenkawa> backup still running...
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[19:52] <Tenkawa> heheheh
[19:52] <ShapeShifter499> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oap7ARBs2Lk well this answered my question about ps1 emulation (around the 33:25 mark of the video)
[19:53] <Tenkawa> now i need to figure out this wifi/gpio setup so i dont need usb wifi
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[19:56] <ShapeShifter499> Maybe I'll grab a junk GBA game and fit a rechargable batt into it so it looks like I have a game plugged in but it's just the raspi inside the GBA
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[19:56] <Tenkawa> ShapeShifter499: heheheh nice
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[19:58] <ShapeShifter499> I may have just over sold my diy skills
[19:59] <ShapeShifter499> lol
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[20:00] <Tenkawa> would be fun to try either way right?
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[20:01] <ShapeShifter499> Tenkawa: well either way the GBA is toast because I ruined the board many years ago
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[20:02] <Tenkawa> indeed
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[20:02] <ShapeShifter499> I don't want to do irreversible damage to the pi though
[20:02] <Tenkawa> nod
[20:03] <Tenkawa> i certainly understand that
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[20:08] <jancoow> is screen of gba still working?
[20:08] <yoosi> ShapeShifter499: Do you have a tri-wing screwdriver?
[20:08] <ShapeShifter499> jancoow: I have no idea
[20:09] <yoosi> Also, you could use a GB/GBC game for extended battery
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[20:09] <yoosi> Pokemon Rumble would work well since it's already big
[20:09] <Tenkawa> yoosi: is adafruit out yet?
[20:09] <Tenkawa> of todays inventory
[20:09] <yoosi> s/Pokemon Rumble/Pokemon Pinball/
[20:09] <yoosi> Oh yes
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[20:09] <ShapeShifter499> all I know is I was about 7-ish years old and I had some wire and crossed the positive and negative wires. Poof, GBA never turned on since
[20:09] <yoosi> They sold out within 30 minutes
[20:09] <Tenkawa> yoosi: not surprised
[20:09] <jancoow> you can easily open a tri wing screw with a flat screwdriver..
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[20:10] <ShapeShifter499> jancoow: I think I have one somewhere
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[20:11] <Tenkawa> xz may compress well however it runs nice and slow on an exynos
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[20:13] <ShapeShifter499> jancoow: wouldn't it be better just to get a small-ish screen as a replacement?
[20:17] <jancoow> i think so
[20:17] <jancoow> its really hard to connect these screens to the pi because you doesn't have a lcd driver board
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[20:17] <creyc> i cant be only one confused by appeal of these pi zeros right
[20:18] <gordonDrogon> creyc, you might be :-)
[20:18] <TheLostAdmin> Other than price, I don't see much point in them.
[20:18] <creyc> what are people doing with them? arduino replacement?
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[20:18] <creyc> in python
[20:18] <creyc> or something else overkill
[20:18] <ShapeShifter499> creyc: they are great for low powered small projects
[20:19] <jancoow> creyc: i dont see the purpose of a pi2 because its overkill
[20:19] <Tenkawa> I plan on using one as a general purpose server
[20:19] <Tenkawa> and its just fun
[20:19] <ShapeShifter499> Tenkawa: the pi zero as a server?
[20:19] <jancoow> dude, what for the one is overkill isn't for the other. Everyone has its uses. That YOU dont understand it says more about you ;)
[20:19] <Tenkawa> why not?
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[20:20] <Tenkawa> my server needs are very simple
[20:20] <Tenkawa> for this one
[20:20] <ShapeShifter499> I thought about that
[20:20] <Tenkawa> remote ttys... text only screens, etc
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[20:20] <Tenkawa> even as a source code server possibly
[20:21] <ShapeShifter499> if I can snag a second pi zero from a mag... whenever they finally come to the local barnes and noble. Maybe I'll make it a server
[20:21] <Tenkawa> just attach a good size card to it or even a usb ssd
[20:21] <creyc> i picked up a rival Chip board week or so back, and i kind of see the appeal in that one with its connectivity built in and storage built in, obvious choice for IoT and automation tasks
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[20:22] <Tenkawa> creyc: I have boards of many types and diff architectures
[20:22] <TheLostAdmin> I thought the Pi zero has only a single USB port. How you are going to network it if you have a USB SSD attached? Add a USB hub? Wouldn't a Pi2 cost less than a Zero and a Hub?
[20:22] <Tenkawa> mips and arm are my 2 focuses
[20:22] <pyroxide> armv7 is superior
[20:22] <Tenkawa> TheLostAdmin: gpio wifi
[20:22] <TheLostAdmin> Ah, now I understand.
[20:22] <Tenkawa> thats why i need to refresh my soldering skill
[20:22] <Tenkawa> s
[20:23] <Tenkawa> its been a long long time
[20:23] <ShapeShifter499> creyc: those 9 dollar boards?
[20:23] <creyc> yeah
[20:23] <yoosi> TheLostAdmin: Irrelevant to that instance but lots of us already have hubs and other junk in drawers
[20:23] <creyc> its running my 3d printer
[20:23] <Tenkawa> for me its all fun
[20:23] <pyroxide> my 3d printer is self-sufficient, strange that yours needs a board
[20:23] <Tenkawa> i think thats important
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[20:25] <creyc> pyroxide, i know its a big secret but actually if you look inside there's probably some pc-like board inside your printer too ;)
[20:25] <Tenkawa> anyone found a good way to mount a zero on a board/card/etc yet?
[20:25] <creyc> doesnt it have corner mounting holes?
[20:25] <Tenkawa> yes
[20:26] <pyroxide> i bought the $349 one from monoprice...has the largest build volume of their selection
[20:26] <Tenkawa> was just curious if anyone's found a creative way
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[20:27] <TrekBike> I keep looking at 3D printers. There really aren't any cases that have mounting holes for components like the camera, or IR sensors,or ultrasonic rangers, etc.
[20:28] <ShapeShifter499> creyc: I wish the chip had at least 1gb of ram
[20:28] * Tenkawa just cant find anything to use a 3d printer for
[20:28] <Tenkawa> at least not with anything I do
[20:28] <Viper168> invent things
[20:28] <Viper168> make electronics
[20:28] <Tenkawa> Viper168: I'm not very "visually" artistic
[20:28] <creyc> yea ShapeShifter499, compromises definitely had to be made
[20:28] <Viper168> would he handy to be able to print out enclosures
[20:29] <pyroxide> i started to make my own rpi case that looked like my desktop. problem i've run into is that it's too hard to change sd cards
[20:29] <Viper168> I could really use one
[20:29] <traeak> for 3d printing i would think games with miniatures would be seeing a boost
[20:29] <Tenkawa> Viper168: I've got friends with them who can do that if I need
[20:29] <TrekBike> Tenkwawa: Boxy shapes work. Look at the new XBox 1 and PS4. They look like 1980's VCRs.
[20:29] <ShapeShifter499> memory is getting seriously cheap... to bad 1gb couldn't be had
[20:29] <Viper168> to make my handheld game/computing device
[20:29] <Viper168> pi based
[20:29] <Tenkawa> TrekBike: indeed.. good point
[20:29] <creyc> but onboard wifi out of the gate, and not needing micro SD either, just makes it so much simpler and self contained
[20:29] <Tenkawa> creyc: I like the sd
[20:29] <traeak> isn't that the 9usd chip thingy?
[20:30] <Tenkawa> I've been burned by onboard only storage too many times
[20:30] <creyc> yes
[20:30] <Viper168> with a pi you can hook up usb storage
[20:30] <traeak> microsd's are cheap yeah
[20:30] <traeak> usb storage sucks power
[20:30] <creyc> Tenkawa, i suppose at $9 when memory fails you replace whole thing
[20:31] <Viper168> use a little tiny hard drive
[20:31] <pyroxide> i compiled crypto mining software for my wii once...0.31 MHash iirc
[20:31] <Viper168> if you want fast
[20:31] <traeak> emmc is faster than sd
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[20:31] <Tenkawa> traeak: not by enough to matter for what I need
[20:31] <pyroxide> i wonder how much Pi2 would do
[20:31] <traeak> Tenkawa: of course...
[20:31] <traeak> better than a wii
[20:32] <ShapeShifter499> creyc: they aren't shipping till june?
[20:32] <pyroxide> obviously, but lol
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[20:32] <creyc> right pre-orders aren't
[20:32] <pyroxide> also 100 times more efficient
[20:32] <creyc> only kickstarter rewards right now
[20:35] <pyroxide> i bought a projector on amazon with christmas gift card, thought i would try it on my Pi2. problem is i'm unable to get my pi to do everything that i want it to do.
[20:36] <pyroxide> might have to break down and buy the next Nvidia graphics card if there's no solution for AMD by next year
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[20:42] <jancoow> pyroxide: did you try vnc?
[20:43] <pyroxide> not yet.
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[20:44] <pyroxide> vinagre or gtk-vnc for a client?
[20:45] <jancoow> doesnt matter
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[20:50] <traeak> hmm...just compiled urban terror's quake3 fork on am64 very easy
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[20:51] <traeak> so i wonder how much diff this one is: https://github.com/raspberrypi/quake3.git
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[20:52] <Tenkawa> dd - xz an image takes a long time heheheehe
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[20:52] <traeak> xz ? compress OTF i gather
[20:53] <traeak> lz4 option might be friendlier and good 'nuff
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[20:53] <traeak> ifthere is lz4
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[20:56] <fragMental> Hi, is it possible to access the 3.5mm audio output directly, as in `cat /dev/urandom > $speakerpath`? And if so, what's the correct path?
[20:57] <pyroxide> i see my desktop with vnc...are there options to downscale to 720p?...viewing my 1440p desktop on 1080p is painful
[20:57] <pyroxide> nvm..that would be done on server
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[20:59] <jancoow> :)
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[21:00] <jancoow> there are a lot of optimalisation things on vnc you should check them out. How does it run? What is the latency?
[21:01] <pyroxide> getting about 8 fps prob
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[21:02] <pyroxide> started up ARK
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[21:02] <pyroxide> but i can probably get more with launch options
[21:03] <jancoow> thats not much lol
[21:03] <pyroxide> wish i could stream how bad it looks
[21:04] <pyroxide> colors are 8 bit or some crap
[21:05] <pyroxide> ok i'm getting about 20 fps now
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[21:06] <Karlton> using software rendering?
[21:06] <jancoow> maybe there are better vnc clients which uses hwacc
[21:07] <pyroxide> using tigervnc client and offician tightvnc server
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[21:08] <Tenkawa> wow i wish this dd would finish
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[21:09] <Tenkawa> 2 hours running now
[21:09] <Tenkawa> heheheh
[21:09] <Tenkawa> then again the compression has been phenomenal so far
[21:09] <pyroxide> cursor doesn't loop around screen
[21:11] <jancoow> Tenkawa: what are you compressing
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[21:11] <Tenkawa> jancoow: dd of my 32gb microsd piped through xz of my pi zero updated build
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[21:12] <Tenkawa> that way if something breaks or i get another one i can dd it to a new card and go
[21:12] <Tenkawa> i want to keep the image on this dev box so i have to compress it due to very limited storage on here
[21:13] <jancoow> nice cool :)
[21:14] <jancoow> didnt know i could compress with dd
[21:14] <Tenkawa> yeah, i'm having enough fun that I want to be able to use this for a lot of stuff at a moments notice
[21:14] <pyroxide> you can?
[21:14] <Tenkawa> yep
[21:14] <Tenkawa> you pipe it
[21:14] <jancoow> holding atm 45gb of rpi backup sd cards lol, i need that compression! :D
[21:14] <pyroxide> ohhh
[21:14] <Tenkawa> ie dd if=card | xz >backupfile
[21:15] <Tenkawa> if you search for dd to gzip you'll find a lot of hits
[21:15] <pyroxide> i wish Win32DiskImager did that
[21:15] <Tenkawa> I just wanted to use xz :)
[21:16] <jancoow> windows -.-"
[21:16] <Tenkawa> yeah
[21:16] <jancoow> yeah.... next
[21:16] <Tenkawa> you could try cygwin
[21:16] <pyroxide> i use VirtualBox for that crap, but don't have any local folders shared
[21:16] <Tenkawa> it "should" work
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[21:17] <giddles> re
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[21:41] <ShapeShifter499> WOO
[21:41] <ShapeShifter499> PIZERO JUST CAME http://imgur.com/a/3RP9V
[21:41] <ShapeShifter499> now what? lol
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[21:43] <deshipu> robots!
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[21:43] <ShapeShifter499> rasbian time?
[21:43] <ppq> put it in your "misc" hardware box
[21:43] <deshipu> with lasers
[21:43] <ppq> ;)
[21:43] <Tenkawa> ShapeShifter499: thats what I did
[21:43] <Tenkawa> raspbian and started tweaking
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[21:43] <deshipu> actually
[21:44] <deshipu> make a keyboard out of it ;)
[21:44] <Tenkawa> just made a backup
[21:44] <deshipu> the first keyboard that boots 2 minutes ;)
[21:44] <Tenkawa> now more tweaking/experimenting
[21:44] <Tenkawa> deshipu: heehee
[21:44] <ShapeShifter499> deshipu: lol
[21:44] <Tenkawa> now to try a newer kernel
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[21:45] <ShapeShifter499> I now have to dig around for the GBA I have to make some measurements
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[21:46] <ShapeShifter499> luckily I have a usb keyboard and mouse sitting around from the vary first computer I ever had
[21:47] <ShapeShifter499> the keyboard has extra usb ports built into it
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[21:48] <Tenkawa> wood case for the plus.. hmm not sure if that would hold up well
[21:49] <Tenkawa> they sell one here at our local microcenter
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[21:55] <Tenkawa> wow trimming this kernel is a lot of adjustments
[21:55] <Tenkawa> understandable why.. just time-intensive though
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[21:58] <Kitt3n> Tenkawa, try freebsd? :p
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[21:59] <ShapeShifter499> how many versions of the PiZero are there? Mine is stamped v1.2 on the back
[21:59] <kapitanf> what is the actually raspbian kernel? On kernel.org it is 4.3.3.
[22:00] <Kitt3n> kapitanf, kernel.org is the official home of the Linux kernel, 4.3.3 should be the current stable :p
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[22:02] <kapitanf> thanks to Kitt3n
[22:02] <Kitt3n> kapitanf, you could run "uname -a" to see the kernel version on a Raspbian system
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[22:03] <Kitt3n> well that works on any sane Linux distro, also on OSes like FreeBSD :p
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[22:04] <Tenkawa> Kitt3n: I plan on it at some point. that world build should take days haahaa
[22:05] <Kitt3n> heh.
[22:06] <Kitt3n> well, tried out freeBSD myself today, no configuration needed to get serial working
[22:06] <Kitt3n> automagically expands the filesystem on the microSD card, etc
[22:06] <Kitt3n> VERY snappy too O_O
[22:07] <Tenkawa> on a zero?
[22:07] <Tenkawa> or pi2?
[22:08] <Kitt3n> pi2!
[22:08] <Tenkawa> ahhh
[22:08] <Tenkawa> I'm working on a zero
[22:08] <Kitt3n> dunno if FreeBSD supports Pi zero yet
[22:08] <Kitt3n> oh boy.
[22:08] <Tenkawa> my pi2's are all in use and running fine
[22:08] <Kitt3n> good and slow. :)
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[22:09] <Kitt3n> I have a Pi B, but it's so unbelievably slow I have no use for it xD
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[22:09] <Tenkawa> this zero is actually a lot more snappy than i expected
[22:10] <deshipu> Kitt3n: yeah, bitcoins are not what they used to be
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[22:10] <ShapeShifter499> man I'm in awe of how small this pizero is, half the size of my phone!
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[22:11] <Kitt3n> deshipu, what xD?
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[22:11] <TrekBike> Is there an actual bitcoin miner for the pi? The only thing I've been able to find is a USB stick with an FPGA on it that uses the pi as the interface
[22:11] <Tenkawa> no idea
[22:11] <Kitt3n> TrekBike, last time I heard, it's pointless to try mine bitcoin now unless you have special hardware for it :P
[22:11] <Kitt3n> or own google :P
[22:12] <TrekBike> I have a Pi2 that sits 97% idle 8 hours a day and 100% idle the rest.
[22:12] <TrekBike> And I have a second pi that (currently) is the same
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[22:12] <aphirst> does anyone seriously care about bitcoin
[22:13] <TrekBike> Lots of investment houses are getting into it
[22:13] <aphirst> yeah but like people
[22:13] <TrekBike> And lots of less than legal uses for it
[22:13] <Kitt3n> aphirst, if you wanna do something 'illegal' it's great :P
[22:14] <TrekBike> As long as you dont mind the record of your illegal tranaction persisting forever in the block chain
[22:14] <Kitt3n> which no one will ever bother to go through to find your specific transaction
[22:14] <Kitt3n> :P
[22:15] <aphirst> a digital currency that didn't establish its value like a ponzi scheme and whose usage didn't require huge downloads and persistent, if "encrypted", history
[22:15] <aphirst> would be nice
[22:15] <Kitt3n> and there's bitcoin tumbling too, to make it even more nightmarish.
[22:15] <TrekBike> Whoever prosecuted Ross Ulbrecht did. (I forget whether was FBI or DEA or some other agency)
[22:15] <aphirst> basically remove all bitcoins flaws and we have something almost usable
[22:15] <Kitt3n> TrekBike, Ross who?
[22:15] <TrekBike> The founder of Silk Road
[22:15] <TrekBike> I may have spelled his name wrong.
[22:16] <Kitt3n> .... didn't they find him in some other way?
[22:16] <Kitt3n> he left a big trail of his details on the internet..
[22:16] <TrekBike> They still had to go through the block chain to prove his site was involved in the sale and find all his wallets and bitcouns.
[22:16] <aphirst> i'm no substance abuser but it's wrong how so much of our lives can be put together from nothing and at how weed is illegal but beer and cigarrettes aren't
[22:16] <creyc> why does so much ransomeware only take bitcoins
[22:17] <Kitt3n> aphirst, cigarettes are simple. companies behind them have a lot of money.
[22:17] <aphirst> it's almost like the governments are in the pocket of the illegal drug traders who make more money by nature of it being illegal
[22:17] <TrekBike> The drug cartels have a lot of money too.
[22:18] <aphirst> just glass where the cartels are, get some use out of those WMDs
[22:18] <aphirst> idk but it's all stupid
[22:18] <Kitt3n> if you have a lot of money before the laws kick in, you can certainly affect said laws
[22:18] <Kitt3n> especially in places like the US
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[22:18] <anticore> hey dudes. i'm having a problem with my raspi. trying to ssh but it times out. the web server running on the pi is still up, as is the cmus. why can't i ssh into it?
[22:19] <TrekBike> Cocaine and Marijuana used to be legal.
[22:19] <aphirst> can you fucks just fix your stupid system where money buys laws at the expense of everyone else and what makes sense
[22:19] <TrekBike> anticore: Do you have a firewall in place blocking the port?
[22:19] <anticore> i have fail2ban/iptables but 80 and 22 are open
[22:20] <anticore> fail2ban blocks at 4 failed logins, but i login with a key, not password
[22:20] <TrekBike> Is it on a home connection?
[22:20] <anticore> yes but it's open to the internet, but i can't ssh with the outside address either
[22:20] <TrekBike> Are you trying to SSH from the same subnet the RPi is on?
[22:21] <TrekBike> Did you go into raspi-config and enable the SSH server?
[22:21] <anticore> the ssh server has been working until now, for a few months
[22:21] <anticore> so i don't think it's a config problem
[22:21] <Kitt3n> anticore, check if the ssh daemon is actually running
[22:21] <Kitt3n> might've crashed
[22:21] <anticore> i've been trying to ssh from local network but also using the external address
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[22:22] <TrekBike> ps ax | grep ssh from the terminal
[22:22] <anticore> how can i do that from the outside? i'm running pi headless
[22:22] <Kitt3n> serial? :)
[22:22] <anticore> :/
[22:22] <TrekBike> Hook a monitor up?
[22:22] <anticore> damn
[22:22] <anticore> so i'm locked out?
[22:22] <TrekBike> Have you rebooted the thing lately?
[22:22] <Kitt3n> have a back up, like telnet :P
[22:22] <anticore> no, can it be a power problem?
[22:22] <Kitt3n> (obviously only allowed on the local net)
[22:22] <TrekBike> Kitt3n: rlogin and rcmd
[22:23] <Kitt3n> or that.
[22:23] <Kitt3n> lol
[22:23] <anticore> i haven't rebooted it in about 2 months
[22:23] <Kitt3n> try reboot it
[22:23] <TrekBike> its possible the ssh daemon died and rebooting it will bring it back up
[22:23] <anticore> roger that
[22:23] <Kitt3n> if the daemon simply crashed, a reboot should be an easy fix to get it back up
[22:23] <anticore> otherwise, no other option than to roll back to the last backup?
[22:24] <anticore> (if i'm planning to stay headless)
[22:24] <TheLostAdmin> Atnicore, before rolling back, it might be worth digging through the logs to see what went wrong. Maybe you can fix it.
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[22:25] <Scriptonaut> can you guys recommend the best raspberry pi OS when security is a priority?
[22:25] <anticore> TheLostAdmin: but if i'm locked out.. how can i look at them?
[22:25] <TheLostAdmin> nope
[22:25] <Scriptonaut> I don't think openbsd runs on the rpi, otherwise I'd go with that
[22:25] <Kitt3n> Scriptonaut, freebsd?
[22:25] <Kitt3n> and every security option you can enable
[22:25] <Kitt3n> oh and not connecting it to ethernet. that's a good one
[22:25] <Kitt3n> and killing the usb stack
[22:25] <TheLostAdmin> anticore: you could pull the SD card out and mount it on another system that can read ext4 filesystems. Even a Linux bootable CD on a laptop/pc could be used for that.
[22:26] <Kitt3n> ^
[22:26] <anticore> oh, yeah that makes sense
[22:26] <Kitt3n> not a bad idea
[22:26] <TheLostAdmin> Also, SD cards are very sensitive to power fluctuations. It might just need an fsck to fix it.
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[22:26] <Scriptonaut> thanks Kitt3n
[22:26] <anticore> TrekBike, Kitt3n, TheLostAdmin - thank you all for your help, i'm gonna try to solve this thing and report back if i have further questions
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[22:26] <TrekBike> Hopefully we've helped you
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[22:27] <Kitt3n> Scriptonaut, obviously taking out the usb stack and ethernt was a joke, but freebsd should be pretty secure, and easy to use, just dd the img onto the sd card and boot
[22:28] <jamesl> people tell you to plug experimental USB devices into hubs to protect the computer, but we have now arriverd at the point where there are hubs more expensive than computer, I find that strange, and AWESOME/
[22:28] <traeak> hmm
[22:28] <Scriptonaut> Ya, FreeBSD is probably my favorite BSD os
[22:29] <TheLostAdmin> Mine too. But I still run raspbian on my Pi
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[22:30] <Kitt3n> I literally just set it up today, and crashed my windows computer in doing so with my USB UART adapter, but worked fine on FreeBSD host, heh.
[22:30] <Kitt3n> so easy :D
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[22:32] <jamesl> does anybody know yet when the Pi Zero will be in stock?
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[22:35] <Tenkawa> jamesl: it was earlier shortly at adafruit
[22:35] <TheLostAdmin> I've got FreeBSD running on an old Intel Atom box. So I don't really have a lot of motivation to install it on the Pi.
[22:35] <Tenkawa> ran out quick
[22:36] <Tenkawa> I got one last week though so they seem to be coming available quicker nowdays
[22:36] <jamesl> Tenkawa: the US got one before the UK? *shakes fist*
[22:37] <Tenkawa> jamesl: not sure about the "before" however we did have them avail shortly today
[22:38] <creyc> who had them locally?
[22:38] <BurtyB> jamesl, pimoroni had them earlier too
[22:38] <jamesl> how can I modify the software on my Pi so that it does not need to be shut off cleanly? I need to put one inside an Xbox controller and can't invoke shutdown-h. All it will be doing is running a python script at startup which is always running, so I can disable internet and LXDE, but what else to minimize SD card corruption. I can also underclock
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[22:39] <Tenkawa> creyc: local to who?
[22:39] <TheLostAdmin> Mount all the firesystems read-only.
[22:39] <jamesl> TheLostAdmin, thanks, that is a very good answer
[22:39] <TheLostAdmin> If you need to write to something, make a memory filesystem (tmpfs) for it.
[22:40] <creyc> oh, the way you said it sounded like you went to a brick and mortar store to buy Tenkawa
[22:40] <TheLostAdmin> filesystems, not firesystem.
[22:40] <Tenkawa> creyc: no.. adafruit
[22:40] <creyc> yea, see that now
[22:40] <jamesl> TheLostAdmin, but how to disable logging in /var/log and other files?
[22:40] * Tenkawa is still confused how armhf is working on his zero
[22:41] <Tenkawa> I thought I read it was soft float only
[22:41] <TheLostAdmin> jamesl, modify the appropriate configs and/or disable the logging systems. Or, that's where tmpfs comes in.
[22:41] <jamesl> oh, okay. I suppose I could also mount /var in RAM as not much needs to be stored permanently there.
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[22:42] <TheLostAdmin> another option, if you've got networking and a server, would be to run it all from NFS. I *think* you can even do root over nfs without too much trouble on raspbian.
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[22:43] <TheLostAdmin> Then you would just need the SD card for the boot partition (and probably the kernel).
[22:43] <jamesl> TheLostAdmin, cool, when you figure out how to put a server and router into an xbox controller come back to me :)
[22:44] <TheLostAdmin> I don't need to put a server and a router into an xbox controller. Just a usb wifi dongle. :-P
[22:44] <jamesl> I did that before with only /boot on the SD card, it did not work well when the HDD failed and I was left with a 3.10 kernel running on 2.5xx modules
[22:45] <TheLostAdmin> out of curiousity, why are you putting a Pi in a xbox controller?
[22:45] <jamesl> TheLostAdmin, then I must always be in range of wifi, I prefer to be able to roam, with the only logging being writing temperature data to a csv file and uploading to data.sparkfun.com
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[22:46] <jamesl> TheLostAdmin, here's a block diagram explaining how my RC temp sensor car works: http://imgur.com/fNEBFBT
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[22:47] <Fahrradkette> can I more then 32bytes in one go using the python function SMBus.read_i2c_block_data()?
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[22:48] <TrekBike> I'd like to build the lightning sensor.
[22:49] <jamesl> TheLostAdmin, how much current does the Pi Zero draw? The hottest chip on a standard pi is the USB hub/ethernet chip, and that isn't present on the Zero.
[22:49] <Fahrradkette> or do I have to modify the kernel module in order to do so?
[22:49] <Fahrradkette> like https://www.kernel.org/doc/htmldocs/device-drivers/API-i2c-smbus-read-block-data.html
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[22:50] <TheLostAdmin> jamesl, I don't know. Others here probably do but I'm not that deep into the electronics. My Pi sits in a wooden treasure chest just because it looks nice on the shelf.
[22:50] <TheLostAdmin> I don't have heat issues in the box.
[22:50] <jamesl> oh, okay. What is it doing? being a server?
[22:51] <TheLostAdmin> pretty much that. It's just so I can play around with raspbian.
[22:51] <TheLostAdmin> It's got the camera attached. I can remote in and take a picture of my living room.
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[22:51] <jamesl> TheLostAdmin, The Zero has no cmaer a port I don't think
[22:52] <jamesl> no camera port
[22:52] <TheLostAdmin> I don't have a zero
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[22:53] <jamesl> oh sorry, I misread your comment. Anyway, after I finish programming the Arduino and the Pi, I'm nuking the install, no more Arduino IDE, no LXDE, no /opt/vc/bin/src, wonder If I can get it below 500MB?
[22:54] <anticore> TrekBike, Kitt3n, TheLostAdmin - the reboot did it. gracias! i promise to reboot more often
[22:54] <Kitt3n> anticore, you shouldn't need to reboot, but it's a good option to try when something breaks :P
[22:55] <creyc> jamesl, there are some pretty small distros out there if thats your thing
[22:55] <anticore> Kitt3n: yeah, the old it crowd rule: turn if off and on again
[22:55] <Kitt3n> :P
[22:55] <jamesl> creyc: I know, but I prefer to start with an easier distor and then strip it down from there, so it is more customized
[22:56] <creyc> ah okay, maybe check out minibian
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[23:03] <creyc> actually ive been liking dietpi
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[23:05] <jamesl> creyc: I prefer Lessbian :)
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[23:06] <creyc> lul, that a real distro?
[23:06] <creyc> gotta be careful googling at work
[23:06] <jamesl> creyc: Yes, but you have to google "minimal raspbian distro" or "cut down raspbian"
[23:07] <jamesl> If you google its name google thinks you spelt it wrong and shows you pages of pr0n
[23:07] <creyc> geethx google ;)
[23:08] <creyc> http://lessbian.org/
[23:08] <creyc> 141mb iso
[23:08] <jamesl> what did you google?
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[23:09] <creyc> actually just used 19-click rule
[23:10] <jamesl> oh, what was your starting page?
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[23:10] <creyc> https://www.reddit.com/r/raspberry_pi/comments/2mzuav/raspbian_lite_edition/
[23:10] <creyc> well
[23:11] <creyc> i was already in subred
[23:11] <jamesl> coo, in the end I just took the plunge and googled "raspberry pi lessbian"
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[23:19] <zesterer> Can anyone recommend a cheap stepper motor capable of upward of 120 RPM? It should be strong enough to turn wheels on a RPi robot.
[23:20] <pksato> cheap and step motor not combine.
[23:20] <pksato> ones from salvage 80s/90s matrix printer.
[23:21] <creyc> meh, define cheap. they've gotten significantly cheaper thanks in part to reprap/3d printers catching on
[23:21] <zesterer> pksato, When I say "cheap", I mean less than £10 each. I've seen this one used in several videos, but I'm not sure if it'll turn fast enough: http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B00H5471PG?keywords=stepper%20motors&qid=1452031503&ref_=sr_1_8&sr=8-8
[23:21] <creyc> ah, little bugger
[23:22] <ozzzy> why do you want to use a stepper
[23:22] <pksato> zesterer: how many Newton you need?
[23:23] <zesterer> ozzzy, I need quite a bit of control over wheel angle / rotation
[23:23] <creyc> permanent mag motors are quite cheap
[23:23] <gordonDrogon> that little one on amazon will not work for you.
[23:23] <ozzzy> servo
[23:23] <zesterer> gordonDrogon, Why not?
[23:23] <gordonDrogon> it's designed to control the louvres on AC units.
[23:23] <gordonDrogon> (I have some here)
[23:23] <ozzzy> those ones are terrible
[23:23] <ozzzy> I have some too
[23:23] <gordonDrogon> so move lightweight stuff slowly.
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[23:24] <zesterer> Ah :\
[23:25] <zesterer> So you say either permanent magnet motors or servos may be better?
[23:25] <zesterer> Would they spin fast enough?
[23:25] <creyc> brushless an option, but probably $$
[23:25] <pksato> 34mN.m
[23:25] <gordonDrogon> I'm not saying anything - I'd throw money at it if I thought steppers were the way forward.
[23:26] <gordonDrogon> the issue with anything else is position control - you need some sort of encoder system to get positional feedback.
[23:26] <ozzzy> I bought some geared steppers from kysan electronics
[23:26] <ozzzy> they have NEMA and 37mm
[23:27] <zesterer> gordonDrogon, I don't necessarily need feedback. Just the ability to alter the speed of the motor
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[23:28] <gordonDrogon> oh, just speed - in that case use a cheap DC motor and PWM speed control it.
[23:28] <pksato> 28BYJ-48 have 64 steps, recomended frequency of 100Hz, if my maths are correct, 93.75RPM.
[23:29] <ozzzy> pklaus, they're geared
[23:29] <zesterer> gordonDrogon, So just sending intermittent high-frequency bursts of power into it?
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[23:30] <gordonDrogon> zesterer, best lookup PWM motor speed control and the various controller boards that let you do it.
[23:31] <gordonDrogon> there are lots of boards and lots of ways to do it. You'll usually need an H-Bridge chip of some sort.
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[23:31] <pksato> is to control arms?
[23:31] <zesterer> gordonDrogon, So it's not good enough to just do a loop in my code?
[23:31] <zesterer> pksato, No, wheels
[23:31] <pksato> wheels? to move?
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[23:32] <zesterer> pksato, Although I need fair precise control over speed
[23:32] <zesterer> *fairly
[23:32] <ozzzy> if you don't need more than 300mA the L293D is simple
[23:32] <pksato> PWM with feedback.
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[23:34] <gordonDrogon> zesterer, you get hardware PWM to do that for you.
[23:34] <zesterer> gordonDrogon, Surely that's just an added expense if I can do it with code?
[23:34] <gordonDrogon> ozzzy, you can solder L293D's on top of one another to boost current - they do get hot though ;-)
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[23:35] <gordonDrogon> zesterer, you do PWM in hardware on the Pi. there are 2 PWM channels so you can drive 2 motors.
[23:35] <zesterer> gordonDrogon, 2 is good enough for me
[23:35] <gordonDrogon> zesterer, you can do it in software - and I wrote a software PWM driver, but always use the hardware when possible.
[23:35] <zesterer> So I don't need to buy a PWM controller? (I'm using Raspberry Pi Model B btw)
[23:36] <gordonDrogon> ah, the B only has easy access to 1 PWM channel.
[23:36] <ozzzy> yep.... if I need more current I use an L298
[23:37] <ozzzy> softpwm [grin]
[23:37] <zesterer> Well I'm sure I can do it in software
[23:37] <zesterer> Despite my total lack of hardware / electronics knowledge, I'm pretty good with low-level C & C++
[23:39] <gordonDrogon> if using C, then look up wiringPi - it has a software PWM driver that's mostly OK for motors.
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[23:39] <gordonDrogon> and you can use it to PWM multiple pins at the same time.
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[23:40] <ozzzy> yeah... I've used your softpwm with motors
[23:40] <msev-> did anyone of you guys work with max7219
[23:40] <zesterer> Right
[23:40] <zesterer> So assuming the software PWM works
[23:40] <zesterer> What kind of motors should I be looking to get?
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[23:41] <ozzzy> any RB35 gearmotor should work
[23:41] <ozzzy> depending on the size of the robot
[23:41] <zesterer> I'm not looking for anything expensive ideally. But they need to have enough torque to turn RC car wheels
[23:41] <zesterer> Ok I'll look it up
[23:42] <gordonDrogon> how about RC car wheel motors?
[23:42] <zesterer> Hmmm. I could do
[23:42] <zesterer> I'm sure I've got a space one hanging around
[23:42] <ozzzy> gordonDrogon, stop being logical
[23:43] <zesterer> :D
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[23:43] <pksato> zesterer: wheels connected direct to motor axe?
[23:43] <MyNameIsJared> Hello
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[23:44] <gordonDrogon> ah well. bed time her.e
[23:44] <msev-> i'd like to know how the text scroll speed is controlled here https://github.com/rm-hull/max7219
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[23:45] <zesterer> pksato, Probably best for keeping things compact
[23:45] <MyNameIsJared> So I'm assuming that this mini-chaos is how the channel tends to be? :P
[23:45] <zesterer> pksato, I'm trying to build something like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w6VqASRawgg
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[23:47] <pksato> these motos have reduction gears
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[23:49] <zesterer> pksato, That should be ok, right? I likely don't need whatever crazy RPM the motor itself can go to
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[23:50] <ak2766> i've just setup a raspberry pi for the first time and i find it funny that i can ping as root but not as user pi - there are no firewall rules in effect - how is that working...
[23:51] <pyroxide> sounds like a linux question
[23:51] <zesterer> ak2766, I'm not sure Raspbian is really designed with security in mind :D
[23:52] <pyroxide> ok it's just raspian
[23:52] <pyroxide> because archlinux arm works
[23:52] <ak2766> pyroxide - it is a linux question but one directed to raspbian as I can ping as a regular user on standard linux
[23:53] <Xark> ak2766: I think that was a little bug. https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=131067&p=875833
[23:53] <ak2766> ok - just realized that on standard linux, /bin/ping is setuid root - bummer
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[23:55] <Xark> ak2766: Yes, but permissions generally should allow users to run it. You might try: sudo apt-get install --reinstall iputils-ping (since supposedly fixed now)
[23:56] <ak2766> thanks Xark
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