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IRC Log for 2016-01-06

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[0:01] <zesterer> I still don't really understand how it's possible to wire up multiple devices to the Raspberry Pi when they may use the same GPIO pins
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[0:02] <zesterer> If I wanted to use both an accelerometer and 2 motors at the same time, do I need to use some kind of expansion board?
[0:02] <pksato> zesterer: i2c bus.
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[0:03] <zesterer> pksato, Ok so presumably each device will have a unique way of being accessed via the protocol
[0:04] <pksato> i2c can handle 127 devices/address.
[0:04] <zesterer> Right
[0:04] <pksato> read about i2c bus. and others
[0:05] <pksato> SPI, I2S, one Wire (1W), etc
[0:06] <zesterer> pksato, I did this a few years ago, but it might need some re-reading, you are right
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[0:07] <ak2766> Xark - insterestingly, I've run apt-get upgrade and still cannot ping as normal user. also, iputils-ping is the latest version according to apt-cache policy...
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[0:08] <jrcharney> "Mr. Hammond, the phones are working."
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[0:09] <ak2766> iputils-ping:
[0:09] <ak2766> Installed: 3:20121221-5
[0:09] <ak2766> Candidate: 3:20121221-5
[0:10] <ak2766> I think I'll just leave it as setuid root for now - but most likely will get clobbered on next update and i'll have forgotten I did this - :(
[0:10] <Xark> ak2766: Yeah, the default Jessie is "bad", but the repo is fixed. I just verified ping did not work (with fresh Jessie from few days ago), that apt-get install --reinstall fixed it (with message "Setcap worked! Ping(6) is not suid!").
[0:10] <jrcharney> Speaking of phones, does anyone have any experience using foxfi or pdanet with raspberry pi. Verizon can suck a lemon if they think im'm going to pay an extra $20 for wifi hotspot.
[0:10] <ak2766> ok - let me try --reinstall and see what happens...
[0:11] <jrcharney> All I can google is how some guy with an iPhone did it but he did it using they regular hotspot set up...he must be made of money
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[0:12] <Xark> jrcharney: Other non-Verizon vendors don't charge for hot-spot I believe.
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[0:12] <jrcharney> Yeah...they do. See AT&T
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[0:12] <ak2766> ok - now working - bin/ping = cap_net_raw+ep
[0:12] <ak2766> thanks again, Xark...
[0:12] <jrcharney> I was so much easier when we could get away with it and when there was unlimited wifi
[0:13] <jrcharney> Oh, 2010, where did you go.
[0:13] <pyroxide> i want gigabit internet from cox
[0:14] <jrcharney> Somebody make a time machine with their raspberry pi. You can't kill Hitler because there'd be someone else who would be in Hitler's place. (See alternate history theory.)
[0:14] <jrcharney> Stealing that $1 million dollars from Donald Trump that his dad gave him that he "earned" would be better.
[0:14] <pyroxide> so what happens if you kill yourself?
[0:15] <jrcharney> pyroxide: Ever seen Looper?
[0:15] <pyroxide> yes
[0:15] <pyroxide> but that's just a movie
[0:15] <jrcharney> I haven't but I think it would be like that
[0:17] <jrcharney> Hitler was a bastard. But if you dig deeper into history, you would have known the Kaisers had much influence on him made him what he was.
[0:17] <jrcharney> Every darth vader has a Darth Sideous to influence them
[0:17] <pyroxide> darth vader is cool though
[0:17] <jrcharney> But enough about WWII history
[0:18] <jrcharney> But Darth Vader killed an entire planet! How come we don't hate him the same way we hate hitler for the Holocaust?
[0:18] <ak2766> Xark - any idea why they did not change version number on iputils-ping? that would fix the issue for everyone in one fell swoop - people don't normally use the --reinstall stanza...
[0:18] <Xark> ak2766: Not really.
[0:18] <pyroxide> because darth vader has the force.
[0:19] <jrcharney> I hope Star Wars 7 has a Alderaancaust Museum on a near by planet to remember all the Alderaanians who were vaprozied by the Death Star.
[0:20] * jrcharney hasn't seen Star Wars 7
[0:20] <pyroxide> you're asking for spoiers
[0:20] * jrcharney is starting to turn into Patton Oswalt
[0:20] <jrcharney> not really
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[0:21] <jrcharney> Also, why doesn't chewy have a gray hair on his body? Even my dog got gray hairs when she got old.
[0:21] <Xark> ak2766: Looks like it may have been an upstream bug (not just Jessie).
[0:21] <pyroxide> chewy vs vader
[0:21] <jrcharney> Something to think about. Anyway, back to Raspberry Pi stuff
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[0:24] <ak2766> Xark: cheers, mate
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[0:25] <SpeedEvil> jrcharney: Lareal.
[0:26] <jrcharney> What about lareal?
[0:26] <jrcharney> OH! L'areal
[0:26] <SpeedEvil> I can't spell.
[0:26] <jrcharney> Just for Wookies
[0:26] * SpeedEvil sighs.
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[0:27] <jrcharney> "So natural, only your copilot will know its not your natural hair color"
[0:27] <pyroxide> matt damon
[0:27] <yoosi> Is there a theoretical maximum current the Pi Zero can draw from a 5V charger?
[0:28] <yoosi> Like assuming CPU is under maximum load and it is providing maximum current through it's OTG port
[0:28] <jrcharney> At any rate, do we got a channel on Freenode for Android support. My phone just won't stop bitching at me about "Unfortunately, Google Keyboard has stopped." I can't use my phone at all.
[0:28] <yoosi> And all GPIO are being utilized
[0:28] <yoosi> Same question applies to Pi 2 B
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[0:29] <jrcharney> yoosi, It should be possible to use a 5V charger, as long as their is enough current as well
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[0:29] <jrcharney> Check Amazon for one of those Anker phone chargers
[0:30] <yoosi> jrcharney: I'm aware of the 5V power requirements; I'm curious how many amps it could theoretically require
[0:30] <jrcharney> yoosi, then definitely. However, for Pi 2 B, you need to use two plugs for power to at least get 1A of current
[0:30] <jrcharney> Each USB port uses 500 mA
[0:31] <jrcharney> It should be similar to how I have my hacktop set up
[0:31] <yoosi> I'm not sure we're on the same page
[0:31] <jrcharney> You know, I'm going to go check. I have a second Pi2 for RetroPie. BRB
[0:32] <yoosi> I'd like to know how low I can get by in terms of Amp rating on a 5V charger and never run into issues regardless of the load
[0:33] <pyroxide> is there an extensible browser that cooperates faster that firefox for rpi?
[0:34] <Berg> if you want the html5 content then no pyroxide
[0:34] <pyroxide> boo
[0:34] <Berg> its not that slow
[0:34] <Berg> :)
[0:35] <pyroxide> maybe i can disable some bloat in firefox?
[0:35] <pyroxide> like Hello
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[0:36] <Berg> iceweasel?
[0:36] <Berg> still modsilla
[0:36] <Berg> like hello
[0:37] <Berg> :)
[0:37] <pyroxide> Firefox Hello is some crap i'll nbever use
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[0:37] <jrcharney> Need to find out what the ricers are using for browsing.
[0:37] <pyroxide> hahaha
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[0:39] <jrcharney> One thing I need to do is look at some of the termcap and terminfo profiles that can be used with fbterm and wonder why something more advanced isn't the default for most linux distros, especially the ones that support Unicode and 256 colors or more.
[0:40] * jrcharney is a proud filthy heathen according to Franklin Graham (who was just on NBC News). What a great time to be a Catholic!
[0:40] * jrcharney drinks his beer
[0:41] <pyroxide> i wonder if Firefox OS would perform on the pi
[0:41] <jrcharney> I just saw that on TV, though that was funny. We're all "godless" for some reason. I should really try to focus.
[0:42] <jrcharney> pyroxide: I saw someone mention they ported Chromium to ARM
[0:42] <jrcharney> so there's progress with that
[0:42] <pyroxide> yeah and i tried it
[0:42] <pyroxide> there is no ARC
[0:42] <jrcharney> How is it? Needs work or is it really bad?
[0:42] <jrcharney> ARM not ARC
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[0:43] <pyroxide> ARC is an app to run android apps in a window
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[0:43] <jrcharney> Oh! You are using Android on Raspberry Pi. I though you were using Raspbian or something.
[0:44] <pyroxide> Chromium OS didn't do much of anything. i can't remember but it was likely too slow to run anything
[0:44] <pyroxide> also i doubt there are video drivers yet
[0:44] <jrcharney> I was talking about Chromium THE BROWSER not the operating system.
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[0:44] <Berg> iceweasel runs fine on raspbian
[0:44] <pyroxide> i tried android, it was too slow.
[0:45] <Berg> I had a dog name iceweasel i shot it and made sushi
[0:45] <jrcharney> Still, theirs something about Firefox/Iceweasel and Chrome/Chromium that just want to consume everything like a fat kid at a pizza party.
[0:45] <Berg> sushi bar?
[0:46] <pyroxide> hardly any of the android apps work due to the video drivers not being complete yet for android
[0:46] <jrcharney> Berg: So he was a terrier who became teryaki?
[0:46] <Berg> ooo i like that jrcharney
[0:46] <pyroxide> also the app store considers it AndroidTV, also wifi doesn't work
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[0:48] <pyroxide> one thing that did work was Skype
[0:48] <krphop> not sure how you get fish meat from a dog...
[0:48] <pyroxide> very carefully
[0:49] * jrcharney needs to look in his basement for a VGA to RCA Yellow or RCA RGB cable. I have a feeling my Retro Pi is going to be used at some place that doesn't use HDMI
[0:50] <Berg> rap the dog meat in fish
[0:50] <pyroxide> jrcharney, S-Video!
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[0:53] <jrcharney> pyroxide: that's certainly on the table. I found an adapter
[0:54] <zesterer> pksato, Should I be running motors over i2c as well?
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[0:55] <jrcharney> I have an HDMI to VGA & Red-White RCA adapter. I found a VGA to RCA yellow that also has an S-Video put too. Not sutre if that works though.
[0:56] <myself> There's no standard pinout for those things, check with a meter
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[0:56] <jrcharney> I'm hoping I have an RCA cable somewhere around here. I should. Doing this sort of stuff is much harder now that theirs no Radio Shack on my end of town. I have to go cross county to go to Micro Center or order something on Amazon.
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[0:59] <myself> a hundred connectors and a spool of cable to go between them, a soldering iron and heatgun and heatshrink tubing, and a cabinet to keep it all in, will cost you less than four cables at radio shack would have
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[0:59] <myself> just gotta get your hands dirty, which is kinda the point of getting into hardware hacking, no?
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[0:59] <jrcharney> myself: true.
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[1:00] <jrcharney> If there's a soution that I can plug together rather than solder, the better.
[1:00] <jrcharney> The way we make electronics needs to be more Lego-like
[1:01] * jrcharney can solder, just would rather not
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[1:03] <zesterer> Is there such thing as an i2c DC motor controller?
[1:06] <krphop> myself: i disagree - https://www.radioshack.com/products/3-ft-stereo-patch-cable?variant=5717742341
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[1:12] <myself> okay, that gives me a budget of $36. I can get 50 RCA connectors for $5.50 shipped, and 50 TRS connectors for $7 shipped, a soldering iron for for $3.82, 10 feet of heatshink for $5.32, a plastic toolbox for $5, and the only tricky part is the heatgun so let's use a lighter, $0.99 at the corner store.
[1:14] <krphop> and this 'spool' of cable?
[1:14] <myself> grab a 50' dvr camera cable for $6 and dice it up for the wire itself
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[1:14] <krphop> i'd like to see the 50 rca connectors for 5.50
[1:14] <myself> I own a bunch, they're not premium quality but I have yet to have one fail in use.
[1:15] <krphop> ok, but i'm curious where i can buy them
[1:15] <myself> http://www.ebay.com/itm/160936633212
[1:15] <krphop> same with a 50' dvd cable for $6
[1:15] <myself> http://www.ebay.com/itm/151709423162
[1:15] <myself> anything else?
[1:16] <myself> or go for the 100' for $9 and economize in greater bulk
[1:16] <krphop> nice
[1:16] <myself> Heh. I got sick of trying to stock every cable in every pinout, so I just keep parts to make whatever.
[1:17] <myself> Kinda been doing this a while.
[1:17] <krphop> i do as well, was just seeing if you could back it up ;-)
[1:17] * myself bows
[1:17] <krphop> but i usually have more than $9 of parts in a rca cable
[1:18] <knob> Is there a bare server image of Ubuntu for the rPi? Or is the one on this link it? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/RaspberryPi
[1:18] <knob> I downloaded the one in the link, yet it has a full GUI (Mate)
[1:18] <myself> If it's going on stage or something where a failure would be more than an inconvenience, yeah. Quality parts, glue-lined shrink, etc.
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[1:19] <krphop> knob: there's a raspian lite version, but not sure about ubuntu
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[1:19] <knob> krphop, ok.... raspbian is good. On my way to google it . Thanks!
[1:20] <krphop> https://www.raspberrypi.org/downloads/raspbian/
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[1:20] <knob> Jessie and Wheezy... are those 15.xx?
[1:20] <knob> I am looking for an LTS ... what do you think krphop ?
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[1:22] <krphop> jessie will turn lts and EOL 2018+
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[1:22] <krphop> but not sure about the actual 'raspian' version of it
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[1:23] <knob> ok ok... going to go with Jessie Lite then. Thank you!
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[1:33] <pyroxide> does the Pi suppoirt SLI Titans?
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[1:39] <pyroxide> ok in all serialness i can't decide which i like more: ubuntu mate or archlinux arm
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[1:40] <netsrot> I tried ubuntu mate but most things didn't run very stable.
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[1:41] <pyroxide> i have yet to try anything involving the gpio pins yet
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[1:43] <pyroxide> i want a /dev/mmcblk0 activity led using psutil.disk_io_counters
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[2:00] <irc_smirk> hi
[2:01] <Chillum> lol, compiling on a Pi is like compiling many years ago
[2:01] <irc_smirk> anyone use this https://www.adafruit.com/products/2718
[2:01] <irc_smirk> is it worth getting?
[2:02] <Chillum> interesting
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[2:02] <Chillum> looks a lot better than those terrible resistive tft touch screens
[2:03] <Chillum> looks like a proper smart phone style touch screen
[2:03] <Chillum> I have no idea how good it is though
[2:03] <Chillum> ohh neat it uses the DSI port
[2:04] <irc_smirk> well someone is kickstarting a case for them for only $20
[2:04] <Chillum> high bandwidth, hardware controlled bus
[2:04] * beardedbuddha is now known as beardedbuddha|aw
[2:05] <irc_smirk> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/799765240/smartipi-touch-a-raspberry-pi-touch-stand?ref=nav_search
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[2:05] <Chillum> I wish they said how much power it uses
[2:06] <irc_smirk> its the official pi screen
[2:06] <irc_smirk> im sure you can find tons of info on it
[2:07] <irc_smirk> i just cant justify turning a pi into a quasi tablet when a real powerful one is less
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[2:10] <Anoia> hmm, fake-hwclock isn;t much use when I don't shut the device down gracefully
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[2:11] <Anoia> faka-hwclock save in cron should fix that
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[2:15] <jrcharney> Found all my stuff. When I go to fool around with this stuff at the Global Game Jam at the end of the month, I'm going to be prepped to use my Pi. If the place we are holding it it doesn't have so much of a coax cable, we're not going back again!
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[2:15] <jrcharney> http://www.globalgamejam.org/
[2:15] <Chillum> I have had no love keeping good time on a Pi even with a RTC
[2:15] <jrcharney> Check your local listings! :D
[2:15] <Chillum> offline pis that is
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[2:17] <Anoia> Chillum: I'm not too bothered by real time, as long as it's monotonically increasing
[2:18] <Anoia> eventuially, this'll ahve a GPS to sync with
[2:20] <Chillum> gps is such a handy time source. So glad other people spent so much money making sure that signal is everywhere
[2:20] <myself> everywhere if you're at the surface, yeah
[2:20] <Chillum> naturally
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[2:21] <myself> not so much for basements, that's where CDMA timing receivers come in handy. If you need seriously stable clocks and don't have skyview, CDMA is the bee's knees.
[2:21] <myself> which is gonna be all sorts of interesting as they wind that down for LTE, I hear a lot of forklift-upgrades of time standards
[2:23] <Anoia> it's amazing what tech the military come up with :)
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[2:24] <Anoia> my dashcam seems to work a LOT better now I;ve tied it in place rather than an elastic band!
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[2:25] <myself> VHB or go home :P
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[2:26] <Tenkawa> hi all
[2:28] <Anoia> needs to be removable :)
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[3:01] <pyroxide> wow i can't believe this activity led thing worked so easily
[3:03] * myself leads pyroxide on an activity
[3:03] <pyroxide> please don't
[3:05] <Tenkawa> so far so good with the pi zero..
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[3:10] <Tenkawa> yay for the faster arm box to build this kernel :)
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[3:13] <kookie> oh?
[3:13] <kookie> what kernel is it?
[3:13] <Tenkawa> 4.4-rc8
[3:15] <Tenkawa> using one of my pi2's to compile it
[3:15] <kookie> I see...
[3:15] <kookie> nice
[3:15] <Tenkawa> 4 cpus should help :)
[3:15] <kookie> yes, I agree
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[3:16] <kookie> I almost have one of each
[3:16] <kookie> two B ver 1
[3:17] <Tenkawa> I've lost count
[3:17] <Tenkawa> haahaa
[3:18] <kookie> really? that many?
[3:18] <kookie> I have a BBB
[3:18] <kookie> ver 2
[3:19] <Tenkawa> kookie: yeah... I have i think 5 BBB's
[3:19] <Tenkawa> even more pi's
[3:19] <Tenkawa> I setup many things over the years for development
[3:19] <kookie> wow, you must be well off
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[3:20] <Tenkawa> Its the only computer hardware I really buy
[3:20] <Tenkawa> my x86 desktop is like 6 years old now
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[3:20] <kookie> mine are older
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[3:21] * Tenkawa wonders how much quicker this compile would run with distcc hheheheheh
[3:23] <kookie> dunno, cuz it's all over my head, way over....
[3:23] <Tenkawa> just getting started?
[3:23] * Tenkawa has been doing this a long long time
[3:24] <kookie> no, I just don't have the brain to be like you gifted ppl
[3:24] <Tenkawa> its just what I enjoy..
[3:25] <Tenkawa> brb.. need to switch boxes
[3:25] <kookie> I enjoy pi's
[3:25] <kookie> ok
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[3:26] <Tenkawa> ok better.. now i can reboot the box when i need to
[3:26] <kookie> lol
[3:27] <Tenkawa> heheheh
[3:27] <kookie> I almost never have to reboot any of my pi's
[3:27] <Tenkawa> well I'm updating the kernel.. so...
[3:27] <Tenkawa> going to be required heheheheheh
[3:27] <kookie> I have 4 pi's hooked to one monitor via a Rocketfish switch box....
[3:28] <Tenkawa> nice
[3:28] <Tenkawa> mine are headless
[3:28] <Tenkawa> I use my development machine and ssh to access them
[3:28] <Tenkawa> I'm almost completely arm and mips
[3:29] <kookie> yeh, I tried to run a pi from a lappy but never cud succeed...
[3:29] <Tenkawa> bummer..
[3:29] <Tenkawa> via windows or linux?
[3:29] <Tenkawa> (on the laptop)
[3:29] <kookie> see. I am a no brainer...
[3:29] <kookie> boht
[3:29] <pyroxide> filesystem activity led indicator python script: http://pastebin.com/VhqtdmMd
[3:29] <kookie> both
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[3:30] <Tenkawa> kookie: if you ever try again sometime and I'm online i'll try to help ya
[3:30] <kookie> ok ty
[3:31] <Tenkawa> no problem
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[3:37] <kookie> right now is not good I have to go to bed soon..
[3:38] <Tenkawa> I hear ya..
[3:39] <Tenkawa> here goes my last code test of the night... this should be "interesting"
[3:39] <Tenkawa> this is why I like these use microsd cards
[3:40] <Tenkawa> if it goes oops i just put the code back from another box and boot
[3:41] <kookie> yup, same here
[3:42] <kookie> I have sooooo many SD cards, lol
[3:42] <pyroxide> i bought 4 in the past 3 weeks
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[3:43] <pyroxide> one is for my 3d printer, though
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[3:45] <pyroxide> 32GB Sandisk for Ubuntu Mate, 32GB Samsung for Android, 64GB Sansung for ArchLinux ARM
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[3:45] <kookie> sweet
[3:47] <SpeedEvil> http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B00DR590OM?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=ox_sc_act_title_1&smid=A2QBPBC148VCN1 - I just bought for my camera
[3:47] <SpeedEvil> wifi SD
[3:47] <SpeedEvil> with an actual published API, running LUA
[3:47] <SpeedEvil> Is LUA capitalised?
[3:47] <pyroxide> Lua
[3:47] <SpeedEvil> ah
[3:48] <pyroxide> but i didn't think about a wifi microSD
[3:48] <pyroxide> do they exist?
[3:48] <SpeedEvil> I don't think so
[3:48] <pyroxide> too bad
[3:48] <SpeedEvil> SD to microSD adaptors exist.
[3:48] <SpeedEvil> They are a bit silly though
[3:49] <Tenkawa> SpeedEvil: I use them a lot
[3:49] <pyroxide> i use Pi2
[3:49] <ozzzy> yeah... I use them a lot too
[3:49] <Tenkawa> this dev box only has full size sd
[3:49] <SpeedEvil> ozzzy: the other way round
[3:49] <Tenkawa> AHHH
[3:49] <Tenkawa> yeah I dont use full sd cards on a micro port only machine
[3:49] <SpeedEvil> little ffc cable
[3:50] <ozzzy> I don't have anything that uses microsd
[3:50] <ozzzy> but I have a bunch of microsd cards
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[3:50] <SpeedEvil> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/SD-SDHC-SDXC-MICROSD-CARD-EXTENSION-CABLE-ADAPTER-FLEXIBLE-EXTENDER-CABLE-10-/161450989811?hash=item25973a98f3:g:FZIAAMXQyY1TRWzU
[3:51] <Tenkawa> these pi-zeros are really neat
[3:51] <pyroxide> my Phone, 3 tablets, 3d printer, Pi2 all use microsd cards
[3:51] <Tenkawa> my chromebook uses fullsize
[3:52] <Kitt3n> Tenkawa, lol, I would just buy a bigger SSD for a chromebook :P
[3:52] <Kitt3n> oh and nuke the useless OS google made...
[3:53] <Tenkawa> Kitt3n: theres no drive in here
[3:53] <Kitt3n> wat. there's chromebooks without SSDs?
[3:53] <Tenkawa> and its not running chromeos.. i'm running native debian on mine
[3:53] <Tenkawa> yep
[3:53] <Tenkawa> older series 3
[3:53] <Kitt3n> Oh, I see
[3:53] <Tenkawa> arm
[3:53] <Kitt3n> Name & model? :p
[3:53] <Tenkawa> xe303c12 i thnk
[3:53] <Tenkawa> er think
[3:53] <pyroxide> acer?
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[3:54] <Tenkawa> samsung
[3:54] <Kitt3n> ^ replace samsung with 'expensive' :)
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[3:54] <Tenkawa> not at all
[3:54] <pyroxide> replace expensive with 'widely supported'
[3:54] <Tenkawa> it was really inexpensive
[3:54] <Kitt3n> here in Norway they're ridiciously expensive.
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[3:55] <Kitt3n> ...but then again, everything in Norway is expensive
[3:55] <Tenkawa> ahhhh
[3:55] <Tenkawa> usa here
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[3:56] <Tenkawa> that definitely is one of the tough things in electronics
[3:56] <Kitt3n> eMMC storage
[3:56] <Kitt3n> well, that should be replace-able no?
[3:56] <Kitt3n> also >fat.
[3:57] <Tenkawa> define replaceable
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[3:57] <Kitt3n> Tenkawa, is it actually soldered to the motherboard?
[3:58] <Tenkawa> on this model its soldered
[3:58] <Kitt3n> ...wow.
[3:58] <Tenkawa> I think
[3:58] <Kitt3n> that's low from Samsung
[3:58] <Tenkawa> its super thin though
[3:59] <Kitt3n> the screenshots I saw, not so thin xD
[3:59] <Kitt3n> I own a macbook air myself, and THAT is thin.
[3:59] <Tenkawa> the xe303c12?
[3:59] <Tenkawa> its pretty darn thin
[3:59] <Kitt3n> yes I googled it
[3:59] <Tenkawa> its what I'm typing from right now
[3:59] <Tenkawa> i also have the 11"
[4:00] <Kitt3n> that's the one I found
[4:00] <Tenkawa> hmm
[4:00] <Tenkawa> odd
[4:00] <Kitt3n> http://www.samsung.com/us/system/consumer/product/xe/30/3c/xe303c12a01us/LUCAS_008_Back-closed_Silver_Large_2.jpg
[4:00] <Kitt3n> this right?
[4:00] <Tenkawa> is it listed as a dual core?
[4:00] <Kitt3n> just says Samsung something something Dual
[4:00] <Kitt3n> so I'd guess dual core
[4:00] <Tenkawa> (no graphics access atm)
[4:00] <Tenkawa> yeah that sounds right
[4:00] <Kitt3n> Ah okay.
[4:01] <Kitt3n> looks like it's a bit thinner then my dell vostro 3350, lol.
[4:01] <Kitt3n> anyway, I am off!
[4:01] <Kitt3n> tired as F ;___;
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[4:02] <ziesemer> Anyone up to help refresh me on some basic electronics review? Trying to monitor (on/off) another 120 VAC circuit through GPIO on the Pi. Figured the safest way to do this is with an old 5 VDC cell phone charger, then use a voltage divider to bring that down to the necessary 3.3 VDC max. However, I want to be able to sense the "off" almost immediately - so to drain the remaining voltage, should I just lower the resistance across the
[4:02] <Tenkawa> i hear ya
[4:02] <SpeedEvil> ziesemer: that works, yes
[4:03] <Tenkawa> i'm about to get some sleep too i think
[4:03] <ziesemer> The common values I see for this are 18K and 33K. At 5 VDC, this is going to only draw something like 0.0001 A, and is going to take forever to dissipate for a 0.55 A supply, correct?
[4:03] <SpeedEvil> ziesemer: not quite
[4:03] <SpeedEvil> ziesemer: the supply will probably draw some internally
[4:03] <SpeedEvil> what do you mean by almost immediately
[4:03] <ziesemer> I'd be happy with 0.25s?
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[4:04] <SpeedEvil> probably a hundred milliamps or so draw should do it fine
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[4:04] <ziesemer> Was wondering if I should target closer to a total of 20 (not 20K) ohms, which should pull 0.25A?
[4:05] <SpeedEvil> just add another load resistor across it
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[4:05] <ziesemer> Or sure, split the difference and do 50 ohms, for 100 ma?
[4:05] <SpeedEvil> reasonable.
[4:06] <SpeedEvil> That is half watt - two 100 ohm resistors would be a quarter watt each
[4:06] <B0g4r7> Is it OK to wire i2c in a tee or star formation, or should it always be a chain?
[4:06] <SpeedEvil> It doesn't matter as long as the chain is very short
[4:07] <ziesemer> Good thing I happened to get a bag of 1/2 W resistors - aren't that much bigger, and then I thought I'd have some room to work with. The circuit being monitored should only be on for ~10 seconds at a time if operating normally.
[4:07] <SpeedEvil> what speed do you hope to get to, and what is the total wire length?
[4:07] <Tenkawa> man its been so long since I did any component/board work
[4:07] <ziesemer> Unless there is a more efficient way of doing it?
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[4:07] <B0g4r7> Total wire length is 12-15 inches. IDK what speed I need. Probably not very much.
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[4:09] <SpeedEvil> B0g4r7_: if it's just for sensors, it probably doesn't matter, it should work at 100khz probably
[4:13] <Tenkawa> have to look into picking up a gpio wifi interface for this unit sometime this week hopefully
[4:13] <Tenkawa> free up my usb port
[4:14] <kookie> use a USB powered hub
[4:14] <ziesemer> I was just going to say... Does such a thing exist otherwise?
[4:14] <Tenkawa> ziesemer: does what exist?
[4:15] <ziesemer> GPIO -> Wifi?
[4:15] <Tenkawa> many of them... microcenter carries a few different ones here in town
[4:15] <kookie> wish there was Microcenter in my area
[4:15] <Tenkawa> now how good any of them are I am not sure
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[4:16] <Tenkawa> kookie: its my favorite store heheheh
[4:16] <Tenkawa> only about 15 minutes drive
[4:16] <ziesemer> None in my state, even.
[4:16] <Tenkawa> ouch
[4:16] <pyroxide> think there's one in kansas city
[4:17] <Tenkawa> order and ship online
[4:17] <pyroxide> i'm in wichita though..long drive
[4:17] <Tenkawa> (I think they ship)
[4:17] <kookie> there's none in east coast at all
[4:17] <Tenkawa> define east coast
[4:17] <kookie> NY
[4:17] <Tenkawa> really?
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[4:17] <Tenkawa> thought there was
[4:18] <Tenkawa> ouch
[4:18] <ziesemer> 4 in NY.
[4:18] <kookie> well I never heard of one untill ppl mentioned it in here
[4:18] <kookie> where?
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[4:19] <Tenkawa> kookie: theres a locator on microcenter.com i think
[4:19] <kookie> cuz I live in Ithaca, NY...
[4:20] <ziesemer> http://www.microcenter.com/site/stores/
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[4:20] <kookie> ok ty
[4:20] <Tenkawa> they have a wood case for the pi zero heheheh
[4:21] <Tenkawa> at mc
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[4:21] <kookie> ahhh no wonder, they all in the NYC area... 6 hrs from me... no way...
[4:22] <Tenkawa> ouch
[4:22] <kookie> yeh.. ouch is right
[4:22] <Tenkawa> thats like when I lived in arkansas+louisiana
[4:22] <kookie> lol
[4:22] <Tenkawa> was nothing near me
[4:22] <Tenkawa> it was sad
[4:22] <Tenkawa> mind you that was 20 years ago
[4:23] <kookie> yup.. all I have here is radio shack
[4:23] <Tenkawa> yeah thats all we had
[4:23] <Tenkawa> it was sad
[4:23] <kookie> I used to love Lafeyette store..
[4:23] <Tenkawa> do you remember tandy computers at all?
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[4:23] <kookie> but that store died.. yes, I have one
[4:24] <Tenkawa> heheheh
[4:24] <kookie> model 4P
[4:24] <Tenkawa> wow.. classic
[4:24] <kookie> my dad had a model one
[4:24] <Tenkawa> I had some trs-80's in a closet for a long time
[4:24] <kookie> cassette drive
[4:24] <Tenkawa> yep
[4:24] <Tenkawa> I even had a few lp couplers
[4:24] <Tenkawa> those were funky
[4:25] <kookie> played Moby Dick on it to learn typing
[4:25] <Tenkawa> rainbow magazine gave away a flexible lp once to use with that coupler
[4:25] <Tenkawa> like in 81-82 or so
[4:25] <kookie> cool
[4:25] <Tenkawa> yeah it was near
[4:25] <Tenkawa> er neat
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[4:26] <kookie> model one was great but lacked color
[4:26] <Tenkawa> i'm colorblind so it wouldnt have bothered me
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[4:26] <kookie> I had some NCR DM/5's
[4:27] <Tenkawa> heheheh
[4:27] <Tenkawa> wow
[4:27] <kookie> man those things were HEAVY
[4:27] <pyroxide> you guys are old.,
[4:27] <Tenkawa> pyroxide: yep i am
[4:27] <kookie> of course
[4:27] <pyroxide> lol
[4:27] <kookie> we been around
[4:27] <Tenkawa> and around... ...
[4:27] <kookie> lol
[4:28] <kookie> I never knew about linux until I picked up a pi...
[4:28] <Tenkawa> I started on linux in 93
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[4:28] <kookie> me 3 yrs ago
[4:28] <Tenkawa> unix before that
[4:28] <kookie> yo u lucky
[4:28] <kookie> me not
[4:29] <Tenkawa> it was by chance....
[4:29] <kookie> I missed a LOT!!!!
[4:29] <Tenkawa> and i've used it ever since
[4:29] <kookie> you are gifted
[4:29] <Tenkawa> lucky for sure
[4:30] <kookie> yes... and I bet you are proud
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[4:30] <Tenkawa> heheh
[4:31] <kookie> ok time for me to go... gotta work tomorrow... good night...
[4:31] <pyroxide> working on a 3d printed case for my model b. it will resemble my desktop computer http://www.bitfenix.com/global/en/products/chassis/prodigy-m/
[4:31] <Tenkawa> cheers
[4:31] <Tenkawa> pyroxide: neat
[4:32] <pyroxide> just waiting on build platform tape to arrive from amazon
[4:32] <Tenkawa> I wish i had better vision
[4:32] <pyroxide> my printer only came with 2 sheets
[4:32] <Tenkawa> (colorblind and mostly blind in one eye)
[4:32] <Kamilion> Tenkawa: what is it you were doing with linux so early?
[4:33] <pyroxide> Tenkawa, lazy eye here
[4:33] <Tenkawa> Kamilion: building/running a local isp
[4:33] <Kamilion> Wasn't really until 1.3.20 or so when it was somewhat useful for routing a home network...
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[4:33] <Tenkawa> used it for our news server
[4:33] <Kamilion> that wasn't until around 1995 or so
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[4:34] <Tenkawa> 93 was messing with it in school
[4:34] <Kamilion> the 1.1 series really wasn't stable enough to do much with, 1.2 wasn't much ebtter
[4:34] <Tenkawa> running a mud
[4:34] <Kamilion> Ahh, okay
[4:34] <Kamilion> yeah, that's more in line with what it could do back then.
[4:34] <Tenkawa> yep
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[4:35] <Tenkawa> rebooting my zero kernel...this should be "interesting"
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[4:35] <Tenkawa> it updated from .13 to .15
[4:35] <Kamilion> Tenkawa: do you remember Coyote or LRP?
[4:36] <Tenkawa> yep
[4:36] <Tenkawa> vaguely
[4:36] * Kamilion worked on Coyote!
[4:36] <Tenkawa> cool
[4:36] <Kamilion> and LRP before it.
[4:36] <Tenkawa> yay the kernel update worked
[4:36] <Kamilion> https://www.sans.org/reading-room/whitepapers/firewalls/review-floppy-based-firewalls-security-considerations-808
[4:36] <pyroxide> if i could sneak a 40mm fan in my case it would be hilarious
[4:37] <Tenkawa> Kamilion: do you remember floppyfw?
[4:37] <Kamilion> yeah, lundquist's
[4:37] <Tenkawa> yep
[4:37] <Kamilion> first time I used iptables
[4:37] <Kamilion> was using ipchains for ages before that, heh
[4:37] <Tenkawa> yeah that was a neat setup
[4:38] <Tenkawa> i had been on ncr svr4 before and was so limited by its setup
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[4:38] <ziesemer> To this day, I struggle to justify using a dedicated Cisco ASA firewall over an iptables VM in an enterprise environment.
[4:38] <Tenkawa> microchannel, that really weird acc compiler they used...
[4:38] * Kamilion had a 386DX2/66 with two 3com 3C509b-combo cards, one on 10baseT from the alcatel 1000 DSL modem, one on 10base2 to the rest of our win3.1/95/linux home network.
[4:38] <ziesemer> For < 1 Gbps connections, anyway, at least.
[4:38] <Tenkawa> nice
[4:39] <ali1234> i could never get my 3c509b to work on linux
[4:39] <Kamilion> ziesemer: Not too many things rely on 1 million + UDP packet routing capabilities
[4:39] <Kamilion> ali1234: yeah, I had to email crynwr a couple times to get things fixed on occasion
[4:39] <Kamilion> it always wanted to use the stupid 15 pin AUI port by default on the 'combo' model
[4:40] <ali1234> i don't think it ever recognized it for me
[4:40] <Kamilion> Did you have a system new enough to have a "PNPBIOS"?
[4:40] <ali1234> in the end i just bought a different network card
[4:40] <ali1234> no, it was a 386...
[4:40] <Kamilion> they were notorious due to the fact that they were jumperless
[4:41] <Kamilion> and only really worked on 486s or later 386DX2/DX4 models
[4:41] <ali1234> i bet i still have the damn thing
[4:42] <Kamilion> the biggest issue was if your board couldn't do PNP negotiation, they just wouldn't work at all. They fixed that much later on once the linux kernel could handle PNP initialization on it's own
[4:42] <Tenkawa> did any of you ever have to deal with v.35 cables?
[4:42] <Kamilion> heh. Yeah.
[4:42] <Tenkawa> good ole x.25
[4:42] <Kamilion> only a few times though, thankfully.
[4:43] <Kamilion> I still miss my big ol' sun workstation monitor
[4:43] <Tenkawa> hehehe
[4:43] <Kamilion> 21" and SUCH a crisp dot pitch
[4:43] <Tenkawa> with the really funky connector too?
[4:43] <Kamilion> 5 BNC off the back
[4:43] <Kamilion> yeah
[4:43] <Tenkawa> yeah the bncs that always liked to break
[4:43] <Kamilion> didn't sync on green either
[4:43] <Tenkawa> at least on mine
[4:43] <Kamilion> though the REALLY cool thing with them
[4:43] <ziesemer> 15 years later, we're now just starting to come back to the same DPI capabilities in modern LCDs...
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[4:44] <Kamilion> If you had the BNC t-connectors from 10base2, you could chain up to 3 of the monitors off the same video card
[4:44] <Tenkawa> ziesemer: with my vision i cant tell the difference anyway
[4:44] <Kamilion> it got a little dim with 3, but still worked.
[4:44] <pyroxide> what dot pitch is that? because cell phones are overkill
[4:44] * Kamilion grew up in silicon valley, dumpster diving
[4:45] <ziesemer> I'd mostly agree, but it's all about marketing numbers...
[4:45] <Kamilion> 0.24-mm dot pitch
[4:45] <ziesemer> (now, finally)
[4:45] <Kamilion> 2048x1536@75hz
[4:45] <Kamilion> and I'm only now getting back to those resolutions...
[4:45] <Kamilion> Stupid HD television standards.
[4:45] <SpeedEvil> Stupid widescreen
[4:46] <Kamilion> RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE PROGRESSIVE SCAN!
[4:46] <ziesemer> I'm typing this on the last 1920x1200 16:10 laptop LCD that Dell made.
[4:46] <Tenkawa> cheers all.. time to run. hopefully tomorrow's setup on the mips box goes as well
[4:46] <Tenkawa> heheheh
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[4:46] <Kamilion> ziesemer: Ahh, the venerable latitude D820...
[4:46] <pyroxide> 2560x1440@60Hz on my desktop
[4:46] <Kamilion> I had one of those, ten years ago.
[4:46] <Kamilion> I think I still have it.
[4:46] <ziesemer> No, E6500.
[4:47] <Kamilion> same panels, I think.
[4:47] <ziesemer> Probably. The 6510 killed it, went to 16:9.
[4:47] <Kamilion> the latiudes were the big tanks
[4:47] <Kamilion> if the battery didn't go south, they'd never die.
[4:47] <ziesemer> I refuse to get this up almost 8 years later, largely because of the screen.
[4:47] <ziesemer> Yeah - replaced the battery not long ago, already worthless.
[4:47] <pyroxide> 4:3 and 16:10 are still strong in the projector market
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[4:54] <ziesemer> So I have my breadboard wired up with a 5 VDC source with a voltage dividor around a GPIO input that I want to check for.
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[4:54] <ziesemer> When configuring this, should I activate the internal pull-down resistor?
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[4:56] <pyroxide> that EE jargon is beyond me
[4:57] <Kamilion> ziesemer: http://www.xoticpc.com/sager-np8657-clevo-p650re3-p-8677.html <--- the +$200 4K 15" screen on this is a *BEAST*.
[4:57] <pyroxide> Kamilion, that's not 4k
[4:57] <Kamilion> ziesemer: not sure, I've never looked into the GPIO pins too hard to look at the pullup/pulldown configurations.
[4:58] <Kamilion> pyroxide: sure is.
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[4:58] <pyroxide> FHD is 1080p
[4:58] <Kamilion> pyroxide: 15.6” 4K QFHD 16:9 Display with Matte Finish w/ G-SYNC Technology (3840x2160)(SKU: SSC886)
[4:58] <ziesemer> No USB-C, though - not going to buy my next laptop without that.
[4:58] <Kamilion> It's a $200 upgrade.
[4:58] <pyroxide> oh...my...goodness
[4:58] <Kamilion> ziesemer: yeah, there'll be another clevo/sager later this year with type-C
[4:59] <Kamilion> likely based on the P650 frame
[4:59] <pyroxide> too bad you can't do anything with it on a puny 970
[4:59] <Kamilion> 970*M*
[4:59] <pyroxide> even worse
[4:59] <Kamilion> http://xoticpcforums.com/showthread.php?17960-REVIEW-Sager-NP9752-S-Holy-Balls-(and-helpful-advice-when-ordering-from-XOTIC-PC)
[4:59] <Kamilion> they don't have the NP9752-S anymore
[5:00] <Kamilion> had the same 15" 4K panel in march of this year, with the desktop Z97 chipset (socketed desktop CPU) and a 980M.
[5:00] <pyroxide> quad titans or bust
[5:00] <Kamilion> Bust then
[5:01] <pyroxide> nah man i really want an Nvidia card for streaming games to my pi...
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[5:01] <Kamilion> I'd quote linus torvalds here, but this is supposed to be family friendly language
[5:01] <pyroxide> tried playing ARK via VNC and it was really bad...like 8~20 fps
[5:02] <Kamilion> and with their behavior towards locking out virtualization users in modern nvidia drivers.... ARRRGGHHHHH
[5:02] <Kamilion> A POX UPON NVIDIA AND THEIR CHILDREN
[5:02] <Kamilion> And I say this as someone who has been with them since the venerable riva 128
[5:03] <Kamilion> my next card'll probably be a $239 AMD 390X, and they're supporting linux more and more.
[5:03] <B0g4r7> Didn't Linus flip off Nvidia?
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[5:04] <Kamilion> B0g4r7: he did a bit more than that.
[5:04] <pyroxide> I've owned a 32MB Radeon, 2x 6600GTs, 1 GTX260, 1 Radeon HD 7750, 2 Radeon R9 280s, and currently a 290X
[5:04] <Kamilion> But a year later said "he was suprised at how well nvidia turned around, due to their workings in the mobile space" at debconf 2014
[5:05] <pyroxide> idc what linus thinks, i only care what i think
[5:06] <Kamilion> I consider other opinions of people I have some degree of respect for in deriving "what I think".
[5:06] <Kamilion> I do not exist in a vaccuum, after all.
[5:06] <pyroxide> yes but linus is one person
[5:06] <Kamilion> He's also an asshole and very blunt about it.
[5:07] <Kamilion> I prefer blunt and honest people like that.
[5:07] <Kamilion> if I wanted smoke blown up my ass, I'd go to a strip club and objectify women with my time. *shrug*
[5:08] <pyroxide> doesn't linus have a hot daughter?
[5:08] <Kamilion> like some presidential candidate wannabees
[5:08] <Kamilion> dunno, I'm demisexual.
[5:09] <Kamilion> I cannot quantify things such as 'hot'
[5:09] <pyroxide> my GPU runs 'hot'
[5:09] <pyroxide> so hot that i had to resort to water quilling
[5:09] <Kamilion> the two symbols you are using may be interchangable; but mean vastly different things in context.
[5:10] <Kamilion> sorry, I play with neural nets and AI all day; I'm used to framing problems to them.
[5:11] <Kamilion> "no, no, two different meanings of 'hot', stupid overloaded english slang..."
[5:12] <pyroxide> i overload my functions
[5:12] <Kamilion> Trying to describe "fresh" would be just as interesting.
[5:12] <Kamilion> I have a stubbed out virtual member.
[5:13] <pyroxide> that sounds like a personal problem.
[5:13] <Kamilion> Tell god he needs to redefine the superclass then
[5:13] <Kamilion> I also want laser eyes
[5:13] <Kamilion> and O_PONIES
[5:14] <Kamilion> http://lwn.net/Articles/351422/
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[5:27] <pyroxide> Pi GPIO Filesystem Activity Indicator LED script http://pastebin.com/VhqtdmMd
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[5:31] <ziesemer> So I'm measuring 3.18 VDC across GPIO 4 and GND when my feed is "on", and I am promptly detecting every change in state - but I can't get Python to report anything other than FALLING. Exact same problem as https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?p=380996#p380996 (but was never followed-up upon since 2013). Any ideas?
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[5:33] <ziesemer> Great... seems that it doesn't play well with bouncetime?
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[5:38] <B0g4r7> Well, something went really wrong with my project. I think I let the smoke out of the Pi and probably the ADS modules too. :(
[5:39] <pyroxide> oh no!
[5:40] <B0g4r7> I've got 2 ADS1115s on the i2c bus. I'm using them to take differential samples. The sampled voltages are all pretty small (< 1V), however there is A 24v difference between the inputs going to the first module and those going to the second.
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[5:41] <B0g4r7> I assumed that everything would be properly isolated, and that the current would not find a viable path between the modules. Apparently I assumed wrongly.
[5:42] <B0g4r7> Also apparently that path passed through a sensitive part of the Pi since it's now deadish.
[5:42] <ziesemer> :-(
[5:43] <B0g4r7> Indeed.
[5:43] <ziesemer> I'm using a Pi 1 that I had demoted after a Pi 2 upgrade for exactly this reason. If I goof, a little less $ (and an excuse to upgrade when complete).
[5:44] <ziesemer> Though i'm really wishing I had a Microcenter near to get some opto isolators...
[5:44] <ziesemer> Another 2 days to wait for Amazon Prime.
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[5:49] <ziesemer> Anyone successfully using GPIO.add_event_detect with GPIO.BOTH and bouncetime?
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[6:00] <happygilmoregent> how do you setup mt7601u with wpa supplicant
[6:01] <happygilmoregent> is there a landing page like 192.168.x.x for it
[6:02] <happygilmoregent> the wpa_gui unable to view interface and scanning
[6:03] <happygilmoregent> anyone here
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[6:09] <happygilmoregent> I need some help with mt7601u
[6:09] <netsrot> I'm here but not an expert on wpa_gui =(
[6:10] <happygilmoregent> ok
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[6:11] <netsrot> You have tried to google for wpa supplicant tutorials?
[6:11] <pyroxide> he's gone
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[6:36] <pyroxide> i made my filesystem hdd indicator script fade in/out with PWM
[6:38] <pyroxide> http://pastebin.com/0zmg4chN
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[10:06] <h4x3> good morning
[10:07] <qubitnerd> h4x3: mornign !
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[10:28] <h4x3> is raspberrypi armel or armhf?
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[10:30] <vuokkovuorinnen> h4x3: armhf
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[10:32] <vuokkovuorinnen> i think...
[10:32] <vuokkovuorinnen> starting to doubt now
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[10:36] <chesty> pi 2 is armhf, pi 1 is a subset of armhf
[10:36] <chesty> both are called armhf in raspbian
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[10:46] <muesli> i'm trying to run hostapd with my rpi2 and a rtl8192cu chipset. i've already got the 8192cu module compiled and running and changed my power management settings for the device, but i'm still seeing wifi dropouts (3 minutes without a ping going through)
[10:47] <muesli> anyone but me having had this issue?
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[11:10] <Langley> Help, how do I make something start automatically on my Raspberry Pi 2?
[11:10] <deshipu> depends what it is
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[11:11] <zirkuswurstikus> moin folks
[11:11] <Langley> I have a script that I can start with xinit, so that would work. Otherwise I just need to disable screensavers, set resolution and start the kweb browser
[11:12] <deshipu> that would depends on the window manager you are using, I suppose
[11:12] <deshipu> since you need to do it after X starts
[11:12] <Langley> Oh yes well my script starts matchbox too
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[11:13] <Langley> If I can just get my script to run on boot that would be fine
[11:13] <vuokkovuorinnen> Langley: init script ftw!
[11:14] <deshipu> ugh
[11:14] <Langley> On Raspbian jessie?
[11:15] <Langley> So please tell me how
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[11:16] <gordonDrogon> morning pi peeps.
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[11:19] <trqx> Langley: you mean you want your script to start with X? how do you start X usually? it's usually just a matter of adding it to ~/.xinitrc
[11:19] <zirkuswurstikus> after testing and reading a lot I have to ask you which software/os should is use for my rpi+hifiberry? I would like to access my local music libary (subsonic/ripped flac) and spotify. I would like to play local and streamed music from one playlist. it would be nice to have a good search functionality. I dont care much about the distri while FreeBSD and Debian would be my prefered choice.
[11:19] <zirkuswurstikus> From my understanding I have currently two choices. KODI + Spotimc or a Mopidy based setup. But I'm open to other suggestions.
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[11:20] <Langley> trqx: I just need the kweb browser to start on boot, if it starts with X or in a script that starts matchbox or whatever doesn't matter. I can't find any .xinitrc file
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[11:21] <trqx> zirkuswurstikus: mopidy is compatible with all mpd clients so I'd go for it
[11:21] <trqx> Langley: does X already start automatically?
[11:22] <Langley> trqx: I've disabled it for now but I can enable it again
[11:22] <zirkuswurstikus> trqx: would you recommend a prebuild distri or going the root myself?
[11:22] <zirkuswurstikus> s/root/route
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[11:23] <trqx> zirkuswurstikus: well I failed to use spotify with mopidy on raspbian but I haven't spent much time trying
[11:23] <trqx> I'd say try mopidy on your current distro
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[11:24] <zirkuswurstikus> trqx: I was running it on my x86 thinclient also via a distri called volumino. so it should work
[11:25] <zirkuswurstikus> trqx: just the masses of possibilies where driving me crazy :)
[11:25] <trqx> and if it fails and you only want your pi as a music server then try a dedicated distro
[11:26] <zirkuswurstikus> trqx: yeah, just for music. for kodi/plex i usually use an AFTV
[11:26] <trqx> ok then, I didn't try much dedicated music distro as I don't have a DAC yet
[11:27] <zirkuswurstikus> trqx: also the chromecast audio is not to bad at all, but my marantz dont support optical and on the pi I can add a good DAC (hifiberry and my FiiO x3I)
[11:27] <trqx> Langley: I don't have a pi with raspbian and X with me, sorry I don't remember how X is managed per default
[11:29] <trqx> zirkuswurstikus: do you know if hifiberry have any advantage over usb sound cards? I'm considering buying a DAC for my pi for some time now
[11:30] <Langley> sigh...
[11:30] <trqx> Langley: but you can try creating a file called ~/.xinitrc and put something like:
[11:30] <buZz> fiio <3
[11:30] <trqx> yourscript.sh &
[11:30] <trqx> exec matchbox
[11:30] <trqx> or watever matchbox binary name is
[11:31] <trqx> then try starting X with startx
[11:31] <zirkuswurstikus> trqx: the hifiberry is easy to handle and has a good sound also you save a USB port. while it does not compare to my FiiO x3 (DAP + DAC). If you are not an Audioholic like me, I can recomment a Hifiberry
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[11:32] <Langley> So it's "exec matchbox
[11:33] <Langley> exec kweb
[11:33] <Langley> And that's it?
[11:33] <buZz> zirkuswurstikus: the right term is audiophile
[11:33] <zirkuswurstikus> buZz: I would not call me Audiophile :)
[11:34] <buZz> anyone buying >200 usd pocket amplifiers to listen to fartnoise.wav is
[11:34] <trqx> Langley:
[11:34] <trqx> kweb&
[11:34] <buZz> ;)
[11:34] <trqx> yourscript.sh&
[11:34] <trqx> exec matchbox
[11:34] <zirkuswurstikus> buZz: thats true. but the fiio x3I is an awsome device.
[11:35] <trqx> Langley: https://wiki.debian.org/Xinitrc
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[11:35] <trqx> zirkuswurstikus: thanks
[11:35] <zirkuswurstikus> trqx: I have to thank you, too.
[11:36] <buZz> zirkuswurstikus: so is the AVE Mizar
[11:36] <Langley> I don't understand... so I can just pyt script.sh in the .xinitrc file? If my script.sh already contains matchbox?
[11:36] <buZz> zirkuswurstikus: still have to laugh at anyone owning one though :D
[11:36] <dreamon> is it possible to start raspberryPi direkt in console with my wished programm .. so I can see all its outputs in that starting console?
[11:37] <zirkuswurstikus> buZz: well, while this devices are bricks, its the best solution to power my cans.
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[11:37] <buZz> wat
[11:37] <trqx> Langley: no, matchbox is your windows manager right?
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[11:38] <trqx> then you should start it at the end of .xinitrc with the last line being exec matchbox
[11:38] <h4x3> is someone using kodi on raspi?
[11:38] <h4x3> and also a skygo plugin?
[11:38] <zirkuswurstikus> buZz: it can power cans with up to 300 Ohm
[11:38] <Langley> But doesn't that start kweb before matchbox? Will that work?
[11:38] <buZz> cans ..
[11:38] <zirkuswurstikus> buZz: headphones
[11:38] <buZz> zirkuswurstikus: did you mean speakers
[11:38] <trqx> Langley: that will work
[11:38] <buZz> ah
[11:38] <buZz> zirkuswurstikus: i am not audiophilic
[11:39] <trqx> Langley: you can see examples at https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Xinitrc
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[11:39] <zirkuswurstikus> buZz: Hifi is like tuning cars, one day you reach a point where you buy unneeded stuff and tell yourself "Yeah, thas really really necessary!" ;)
[11:40] <buZz> i have owned 3 cars
[11:40] <buZz> i never reached that point
[11:40] <zirkuswurstikus> buZz: B Manta :)
[11:40] <trqx> but I'm not even sure that the raspbian config tool makes it start x using ~/.xinitrc tbh, someone has to confirm
[11:40] <trqx> Langley: /j #raspbian :)
[11:40] <Langley> Yeah it's not working
[11:41] <Langley> This is nuts....
[11:41] <trqx> Langley: http://www.raspberrypi-spy.co.uk/2014/05/how-to-autostart-apps-in-rasbian-lxde-desktop/
[11:42] <trqx> ok raspbian use lxsession, that's why :)
[11:43] <Langley> Now I cant even startx
[11:43] <trqx> just rm ~/.xinitrc then
[11:44] <trqx> and follow the link above
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[11:45] <Langley> I've tried adding @kweb to that lxsession file... doesn't work
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[11:49] <Peetz0r> hey! when I do "tvservice -o" or "vcgencmd display_power 0" then my hdmi display says "Cable Not Connected". Is there anyway to maye the display actually turn off?
[11:49] <buZz> that -is- off
[11:49] <buZz> but, if you are in X, you can turn -off- DPMS
[11:49] <trqx> Langley: mmh sorry I don't have any image of raspbian with lxde installed with me, I guess you'd get better help on raspbian
[11:49] <buZz> so it wont actually turn off
[11:50] <buZz> preventing the monitor to say that signal turned off
[11:50] <Peetz0r> but I don't run X. I run OSMC (which is kodi directly outputting to framebuffer I think)
[11:51] <buZz> oh, no clue then, dont think dpms is switchable on console
[11:51] <Langley> This is madness... what is wrong with linux
[11:51] <trqx> Peetz0r: have you tried setterm --powersave on --blank 1 ?
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[11:53] <Peetz0r> setterm: cannot (un)set powersave mode: Inappropriate ioctl for device
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[11:56] <trqx> Peetz0r: there is a tool called vbetool, I guess it's in acpi-support package
[11:56] <trqx> vbetool dpms off might do the trick
[11:56] <trqx> http://superuser.com/questions/206622/turn-off-monitor-energy-saving-while-in-text-console-mode-in-linux#206749
[11:57] <Peetz0r> and, is that supposed to work on the raspberry pi (2)?
[11:57] <trqx> I did not try
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[11:58] <trqx> personally my pi turn off the monitor automatically and on the contrary I configured it to prevent that
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[12:01] <Langley> Hurray, I finally did it by adding it to ~/.config/lxsession/LXDE/autostart
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[12:07] <Peetz0r> trqx: vbetool is not in acpi-support but has it's own package, and that is only available on x86
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[12:09] <mlelstv> would be strange if the Vesa BIOS Extensions tool had any meaning on rpi :)
[12:10] <Peetz0r> eh, yes, sounds about "right" :p
[12:10] <Peetz0r> so, then how *do* i properly tell my display to go into standby
[12:10] <Peetz0r> and not into "help cable unplugged PANIC!!" mode :p
[12:11] <gordonDrogon> use the 'setterm' command when in text mode to control the display blanking....
[12:11] <Peetz0r> 11:53:26 < Peetz0r> setterm: cannot (un)set powersave mode: Inappropriate ioctl for device
[12:11] <Peetz0r> tried that been there...
[12:11] <mlelstv> http://raspberrypi.stackexchange.com/questions/11675/power-tv-on-off
[12:11] <mlelstv> maybe this helps?
[12:12] <gordonDrogon> setterm -powerdown 5 # 5 minutes
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[12:13] <mlelstv> this should just be built into the X driver :-/
[12:13] <Peetz0r> as explained before, I don't run X
[12:13] <Peetz0r> xset wouldprobably work if I'd run X, but I don't
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[12:14] <mlelstv> I think xset will just make the display black, but not power down the monitor/TV
[12:14] <Peetz0r> xset can do dpms signaling
[12:14] <Peetz0r> which is probaby what I need
[12:14] <mlelstv> yes, but only if the driver supports it
[12:14] <gordonDrogon> man setterm
[12:15] <Peetz0r> tvservice -o just disables the hdmi output without signaling anything to the display, which makes the display think that I inplugged my cable
[12:16] <Peetz0r> also, I don't want to tell my display to power down after a few minutes of inactivity, I actually want it to power down *now* (whenever I run a command/script)
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[12:19] <mlelstv> http://raspberrypi.stackexchange.com/questions/11675/power-tv-on-off
[12:20] <mlelstv> this says that the cec-client can be built on rpi and that it can signal the monitor/TV to go into standby mode.
[12:20] <Peetz0r> ...if my display supports CEC
[12:20] <Peetz0r> which I think it does not
[12:20] <mlelstv> that seems to be the only method to do this via HDMI
[12:20] <Peetz0r> it's not a tv, it's just a computer monitor whih happens to have a hdmi input
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[12:22] <mlelstv> it's possible that then you cannot control the monitor.
[12:23] <Peetz0r> but other devices (normal pc's) can do this
[12:23] <mlelstv> with your monitor?
[12:23] <mlelstv> using HDMI ?
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[12:24] <mlelstv> some monitors go into standby if the HDMI signal is taken away, but only after some timeout.
[12:24] <mlelstv> at least I'm reading about lots of such problems with HDMI monitors and "normal pc's"
[12:26] <mlelstv> what monitor is this? maybe it does support CEC?
[12:27] <Peetz0r> it's a Acer S273HL
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[12:27] <Peetz0r> the manual mentions CEC only in the hdmi cable pinout
[12:27] <Peetz0r> (which is something that I did not expect in a user manual anyway)
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[12:29] <Peetz0r> it does mention "power saving": "The monitor will be switched to "power saving" mode by the control signal
[12:29] <Peetz0r> from the display controller, as indicated by the amber-colored power LED."
[12:29] <mlelstv> sounds like it does then
[12:29] <mlelstv> I would give cec-client a try
[12:30] <Peetz0r> that control signal doesn't have to be CEC, right?
[12:30] <Peetz0r> I mean, the signal that my desktop sends to the display is not CEC, right?
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[12:30] <mlelstv> well "control signal" isn't well defined, can mean anything.
[12:31] <mlelstv> I don't know what your desktop does. But some graphics cards support CEC but you often need a special driver to make Windows use it.
[12:31] <mlelstv> it all depends
[12:32] <Peetz0r> I haven't used windows in years, but I know for a fact that my desktop with linux does not support cec
[12:32] <Peetz0r> yet it properly makes displays go into standby
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[12:34] <Peetz0r> osmc@magnetronpi:~$ cec-client -l
[12:34] <Peetz0r> Found devices: NONE
[12:34] <Peetz0r> so, nope, display definately does not support CEC
[12:34] <mlelstv> hmm
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[12:44] <zinit> anyone got any experience with getting the pi zero working with the 7" screen?
[12:44] <zinit> (don't want to start soldering on pins if it won't work anyway..)
[12:48] <gordonDrogon> I've used the pi b+ and pi 2 on the 7" screen - there's no reason to think it won't work with the zero.
[12:48] <buZz> ?
[12:48] <buZz> the 7" screen is DSI isnt it
[12:48] <gordonDrogon> oh wait ...
[12:48] <buZz> i mean
[12:48] <gordonDrogon> no DSI.
[12:48] <buZz> yeh
[12:48] <gordonDrogon> so... doh - no ...
[12:49] <gordonDrogon> however the adafruit 5" resistive touchscreen which uses hdmi ought to be OK.
[12:50] <buZz> i have adafruits 2.4"
[12:50] <mlelstv> Peetz0r, here is something more: https://github.com/raspberrypi/linux/issues/487
[12:50] <buZz> considering soldering it to a zero
[12:51] <zinit> was planning to set up something with the 7" screen that works with the pi b+ and pi2. since the pins and cpu is the same as the b+, would be cool if it worked.
[12:51] <buZz> you're not listening ;)
[12:52] <zinit> :(
[12:52] <zinit> would be cool though:)
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[12:54] <zinit> too bad it doesnt work on the orgiginal pi. only thing I use that for now is playing around with an old mysql db that sorely need a cleanup
[12:54] <gordonDrogon> I'm fairly sure the 7" will work on the original Pi ...
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[12:55] <gordonDrogon> there is an issue to do with the mounting of it, but that's not insurmountable.
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[12:55] <zinit> using the pi zero for irc now actually:P installed and set it up yesterday evening. (it's taped to the side of a proliant microserver).
[12:56] <zinit> didnt have any space on the table due to crazy cable spaghetti
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[12:56] <zinit> nothing like duckt tape and some paper to avoid direct contact with the steel chassis
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[12:57] <zinit> the original pi aparently doesnt have some of the pins from what I heard preventing the screen from working.
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[12:58] <zinit> a colleague tried and failed on it. he said it works perfect with the pi2, but not with the original
[12:58] <gordonDrogon> wonder what pins - maybe they changed the DSI connector?
[12:58] <zinit> havent had a chance to test myself. (waiting for him to get back from vacation so I can test with his screen
[12:58] <zinit> no idea
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[13:03] <gordonDrogon> ok - it's the I2C bus that's not present on the original Pi's DSI connector.
[13:03] <gordonDrogon> technically it might be hanckable, but who knows.
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[13:06] <zinit> could be.. if the hardware's not compatible, then it's not much to do about it
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[13:14] <Anoia> crap, just done another test of my pi dashcam and noticed there was an elastic band over the lens when I got home
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[13:15] <Peetz0r> mlelstv: yes, I have read that but
[13:16] <Peetz0r> but "vcgencmd display_power 0" has the same effect as "tvservice -o" and hdmi_blanking doesn't have any effect at all
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[13:17] <buZz> setterm -powersave off
[13:17] <buZz> ?
[13:17] <buZz> Peetz0r: what about ^^^
[13:18] <buZz> also 'setterm -blank 0'
[13:19] <Peetz0r> "setterm -powersave" doesn't work at all with any value, gives "setterm: cannot (un)set powersave mode: Inappropriate ioctl for device"
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[13:20] <buZz> aww
[13:21] <gordonDrogon> it works for me - however I only have a Pi 7" with a display right now.
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[13:22] <TinkerTiger> I'm trying to get an OLED display, SSD1305, working on a Pi, but not having luck finding much about it. This is all new to me.
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[13:27] <buZz> not SSD1306?
[13:28] <buZz> thats the popular one
[13:28] <buZz> https://www.adafruit.com/datasheets/SSD1305.pdf
[13:28] <buZz> oh
[13:29] <Peetz0r> aargh! i was editing config.txt to try some things and now it won't boot at all
[13:29] <Peetz0r> I have tried to undo my changes, and even delete config.txt nothing works
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[13:31] <TinkerTiger> I'm not popular, I don't do popular things.
[13:33] <pyroxide> config.txt isn't automatically generated, so without config.txt the pi doesn't know what the kernel or device tree is
[13:34] <TinkerTiger> The SSD1305 PDF doesn't really help me with drivers. I'm not about to do drivers.
[13:34] <pyroxide> Peetz0r, perhaps the sd card was not safely dismounted?
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[13:56] <Peetz0r> pyroxide: the card was properly unmounted and it works perfectly on my laptop. also, config.txt doesn't contain kernel options anyway. that would be cmdline.txt
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[14:14] <pyroxide> o yis. fading filesystem activity led indicator http://pastebin.com/0zmg4chN
[14:15] <AndreeeCZ> Hi! How many GPIOs does the official 7" touchscreen use?
[14:15] <pyroxide> doesn't it use a ribbon instead?
[14:15] <AndreeeCZ> or does it communicate solely via DSI?
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[14:25] <pigrit> AndreeeCZ it uses 0 or 2
[14:25] <pigrit> depending if you power it via usb or pins 2 and 6
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[14:29] <AndreeeCZ> but those are gnd and 5V right?
[14:30] <pigrit> yup
[14:30] <pigrit> or, you can spare those powering the pi from usb to usb
[14:30] <AndreeeCZ> so if I plan my prototype to use 38 pins on GPIO (for buttons and encoders), it will fit.. ?
[14:31] <pigrit> display usb to pi power usb that is
[14:31] <AndreeeCZ> 38pins + 1 ground
[14:31] <pigrit> again, you don't need to use the pins at all for the screen
[14:31] <engblom> I have a strange problem with my raspberry pi2 running latest Raspbian Jessie: quite often it seem to lose the wifi connection. This is bad as I am using it headless through wifi
[14:31] <pigrit> go crazy
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[14:31] <AndreeeCZ> pigrit, so all the GPIO pins, except for the ground and 5V, can be used for switches, right?
[14:32] <pigrit> I only power the pi from the pins because I have a jumper cable fetish
[14:32] <pigrit> I don't know enough about the pi to state that, but I repeat they're all free for use
[14:33] <pigrit> engblom did the same setup work under wheezy ?
[14:33] <engblom> pigrit: I have not tested with wheezy.
[14:34] <pigrit> so it's all new
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[14:34] <engblom> pigrit: I really need the addition in Raspbian Jessie as it added the gpio group for /sys/class/gpio*
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[14:35] <pigrit> first things that come to mind: the dongle is broken, the dongle is not ready to work 'out of the box' and needs a driver, or the wifi is going to sleep and you need to turn that off
[14:35] <engblom> pigrit: It works sometimes even for days, but then suddenly stops
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[14:36] <engblom> When it stops, sometimes a manual reboot helps, sometimes not
[14:36] <pigrit> tried googling the make and model of the dongle already I guess ?
[14:36] <Kitt3n> engblom, what dongle do you have?
[14:36] <pigrit> to see if there's some known issue with it
[14:36] <Kitt3n> ^
[14:37] <engblom> Kitt3n: As I do not get into this raspberry until it begins to work again I do not know. If I remember right, the chip was made by Realtek
[14:37] <engblom> Kitt3n: The dongle is a cheap nobrand dongle
[14:38] <Kitt3n> well the chip is what's interesting
[14:38] <Kitt3n> connect it to your laptop/desktop and see exactly what type of chip is inside of it
[14:38] <pigrit> engblom you can't retrieve the pi for testing with then ?
[14:40] <engblom> Realtek r8188eu, 802.11n WLAN
[14:40] <pyroxide> java and ruby are cancer
[14:40] <engblom> Chip Version Info: CHIP_8188E_Normal_Chip_TSMC_UNKNOWN_CUT(10)_1T1R_RomVer(0
[14:41] <engblom> That information I got from plugging the dongle into my laptop
[14:41] <pigrit> I think r8188eu is the topical bit
[14:41] <engblom> pigrit: I do not have any screen with hdmi, so I can not diagnose directly on the pi
[14:42] <pigrit> got any ethernet ? at least you can diagnose with a steady connection
[14:42] <Kitt3n> or serial
[14:42] <Kitt3n> serial is awesome
[14:43] <pigrit> apparently the driver for 8188eu is available in the kernel since 3.18
[14:43] <pigrit> which is a step forward no doubt
[14:43] <pigrit> I think I had to install it myself
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[14:43] <engblom> pigrit: I do not have any other connection here than WiFi...
[14:44] <pigrit> engblom: https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=28&t=51543 - relevant ?
[14:45] <pigrit> also, any other usb devices randomly turning off ? could be power
[14:45] <engblom> The dongle is blinking and it looks like it would work, but it is not responding to ping or ssh
[14:46] <pigrit> could the problem be higher up, with your router and ip confliction ?
[14:46] <engblom> No, I am only using dhcp and this one got a static dhcp through the MAC address
[14:46] <Kitt3n> engblom, maybe this?
[14:46] <Kitt3n> https://raspberrypi.stackexchange.com/questions/38994/realtek-usb-wifi-module-rtl8188eus-is-not-working-and-also-it-is-disconnecting
[14:47] <engblom> I am having 3 other devices connected, including the laptop I am writing this from and the router works
[14:48] <pyroxide> lxqt needs a main menu editor that can create categories
[14:49] <pyroxide> lxmed only lets you edit applications in existing categories
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[14:50] <engblom> This problem seem to happen after DHCP-renew
[14:53] <gordonDrogon> AndreeeCZ, on a 40-pin GPIO Pi, there are 27 usable GPIO pins for input/output. 29 if you count the 2 extra I2C pins that you're not supposed to use.
[14:53] <engblom> I am having a 2.4A power adapter, so there should be plenty enough of power
[14:54] <AndreeeCZ> gordonDrogon, i see! thanks for this valuable info
[14:54] <gordonDrogon> AndreeeCZ, if you have a Pi in-front of you try running: gpio readall
[14:54] <AndreeeCZ> gordonDrogon, i haven't bought it yet
[14:54] <pigrit> engblom if ifdown/ifup should work to restore connection, while you figure it out you may want to run a cronjob that lacking connectivity ifdown/ifups
[14:55] <gordonDrogon> actually it's 28 in total, but there are 2 you're not supposed to use and another 2 have on-board 1k8 pull-ups
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[14:55] <engblom> Now I finally got into the rpi2 again so now I could test anything you want, as long as it does not mess with the connection
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[14:56] <pigrit> engblom I suppose you've already rpi-updated and rpi-upgraded
[14:57] <engblom> pigrit: No, I have not. I will try that!
[14:58] <pigrit> I'm looking at a pi with a r8188cus dongle with jessie right now, and it has no trouble at all
[14:58] <pigrit> of course it could only be a problem of 8188eu
[14:58] <engblom> Such commands are not available... What package should I install?
[14:58] <pigrit> what's not available, rpi-update and upgrade ??
[14:59] <engblom> pigrit: Neither one of those two are available.
[14:59] <pigrit> sudo rpi-update ?
[14:59] <engblom> pigrit: This is Rasbian Lite
[14:59] <engblom> sudo rpi-update
[14:59] <engblom> sudo: rpi-update: command not found
[14:59] <pigrit> :o
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[15:00] <chesty> i believe rpi-update has been deprecated
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[15:00] <samskiter> hi. i dont seem to be able to get my device tree file changes to work. im trying to set a pin as an output but it keeps coming up as an input
[15:00] <samskiter> ive been able to get some pins to change
[15:00] <samskiter> but not this one
[15:00] <samskiter> can anyone help please?
[15:01] <samskiter> could it be an overlay?
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[15:02] <pigrit> engblom: by the way - checked /var/log/syslog for clues ?
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[15:03] <engblom> Is there any other distro I could try out? Any stable distro with oracle-java8 and unprivileged access to /sys/class/gpio/* and /sys/bus/w1/devices/ would work for me
[15:04] <pigrit> engblom: https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=28&t=62371 8188eu drivers, post updated mid december
[15:04] <gordonDrogon> engblom, raspbian has normal access to /sys/class/gpio now - has done for a while AIUI, and if not, you can always use the gpio command to export the devices you need - that changes ownership to that of the calling user...
[15:04] <engblom> pigrit: Nothing special in syslog as far as I can find
[15:04] <engblom> gordonDrogon: I know, I am using Raspbian but I wanted to try something else because of the unstable WiFi
[15:04] <pigrit> yeah there never bloody is
[15:05] <mlelstv> engblom, what about a different wifi adapter?
[15:05] <gordonDrogon> engblom, any instability will be the fault of the kernel, not the distro.
[15:05] <gordonDrogon> I'm having no issues whatsoever with the foundation approved ones - I've switched entirely to them now.
[15:06] <engblom> gordonDrogon: Different distros got different kernels. Raspbian Jessie runs 4.x and 4.x is terrible with Wifi. Ubuntu and iwlwifi and kernel 4.x does not work either well
[15:06] <pyroxide> i bought a cheap Rosewill Wifi Adapter and i get constant disconnections with it. But used the slightly larger one from my old laptop and it works great
[15:07] <gordonDrogon> engblom, I disagree. I'm running 4.1 and see no issues at all with my wi-fi adapters.
[15:07] <mlelstv> engblom, how far away is your wifi access point?
[15:08] <engblom> mlelstv: At this moment 4-5 meter
[15:08] <pyroxide> engblom, any walls in between?
[15:08] <engblom> But it workes even with the double distance at another place in the house when I tested earlier
[15:09] <mlelstv> I have a RTL8188CUS, works fine until I get too close (less than 1.5m) to the access point.
[15:09] <engblom> It needs to go through one door. But it has been connecting from one place where it needed to go through 3 walls
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[15:09] <ali1234> excuses
[15:10] <ali1234> try using a different wifi channel
[15:10] <ali1234> some adapters mysteriously don't work on some channels
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[15:11] <engblom> I am running on channel 6, what are you running that got this working well?
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[15:13] <ali1234> i have an hp laptop with a broadcom wifi card in it which it was sold in... if i set my AP to channel 6, the laptop will disconnect and reconnect every few seconds no matter how near or far it is
[15:13] <ali1234> and that's on windows
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[15:15] <ali1234> in the end though, wifi is pretty terrible no matter what you do
[15:15] <engblom> ali1234: So what channel did you configure you AP to run on?
[15:16] <ali1234> i'm running on channel 13 at the moment but that channel is not available in all regions
[15:16] <ali1234> and even if it is available in your region not all your devices may be able to use it
[15:17] <ali1234> you can also try putting the wifi adapter on a short USB extension cable, that seems to help sometimes
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[15:17] <ali1234> especially if it is a very tiny one
[15:18] <ali1234> but then other times that will make it worse
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[15:40] <gordonDrogon> right. command-line access to the pimoroni scholl phat seems to work just fine.
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[16:18] <chesty> do this type of boards, and this one in particular work with pi? http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/6-DOF-MPU-6050-Module-3-Axis-Accelerometer-Gyroscope-Module-for-Arduino-GA-/181972157121?hash=item2a5e62c2c1:g:4AYAAOSwo3pWfS5C
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[16:19] <chesty> i'm guessing the pi gpio is the same as arduino, so it's just a matter of coding
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[16:19] <jancoow> yes, that works
[16:19] <jancoow> its i2c
[16:20] <chesty> sweet, ah, are those letters on the pins i2c related?
[16:20] <jancoow> yes
[16:20] <jancoow> sda / scl
[16:20] <jancoow> is i2c
[16:21] <chesty> cheers
[16:21] <jancoow> np
[16:21] <jancoow> and i'm using one on my pi copter :)
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[16:22] <gordonDrogon> chesty, er... sort of. it will depend on the language you're coding in.
[16:22] <chesty> I get my stuff from ebay, and sometimes there's a pi markup. ie "blah-xyz for arduino" $4, but "blah-xyz for pi" $10
[16:22] <gordonDrogon> chesty, I've seen people use the mpu-6050 in the past. There's also the foundations own sense hat to use
[16:23] <gordonDrogon> the Pi is a 3.3v device ... Arduino 5v.
[16:23] <chesty> but i2c is i2c isn't it?
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[16:23] <chesty> or can that be 5v or 3.3v?
[16:23] <gordonDrogon> technically it's a pull-down bus, but if a device were to pull it up to 5v then it has the potential to damage the Pi.
[16:24] <gordonDrogon> in practice I've not seen any issues though.
[16:24] <gordonDrogon> the Pi as I2C master pulls the I2C bus high to 3.3v.
[16:24] <tero> hi all... I have a problem with windows sharing on my rpi. I am trying to acces a windows share from rpi and it doesn't work. any ideas why? this share is working from a windows client.
[16:24] <tero> http://pastebin.com/qDVCt4ka
[16:24] <gordonDrogon> peripherals shouldn't...
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[16:25] <tero> any ideas?
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[16:26] <gordonDrogon> brb. bakery stuff to do...
[16:26] <buZz> tero: quite possible you need to be a SMB host yourself for that to work
[16:26] <buZz> tero: but not sure, ask in #samba
[16:26] <buZz> i bet they would know
[16:26] <pyroxide> tero, does mount.cifs work?
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[16:27] <pyroxide> tero, what distro?
[16:28] <pyroxide> i have been using a script to do all of my mounting in raspbian because i couldn't get /etc/fstab to mount them correctly
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[16:29] <tero> raspbian
[16:29] <TrekBike> pyro: the problem there is probably the disk mount ishappening before the network comes up
[16:29] <tero> but I write this manually
[16:29] <pyroxide> TrekBike, my thought
[16:29] <tero> not on boot
[16:29] <TrekBike> my dad had the same problem with mounting a windows file share on his pi
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[16:30] <pyroxide> tero, yes ok that's fine.. i include more options when mounting cifs: mount.cifs //192.168.0.4/music /mnt/music -o credentials=/root/.smbcredentials,iocharset=utf8,sec=ntlm
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[16:31] <pyroxide> i store the credentials in /root/.smbcredentials for security purposes
[16:31] <buZz> sec=ntlm seems important
[16:33] <jancoow> you just need some parameters in your fstab
[16:33] <jancoow> //62.195.226.247/Webserver /mnt/Webserver cifs credentials=/home/janco/scripts/.smbcredentials,rw,nounix,iocharset=utf8,file_mode=0777,dir_mode=0777,_netdev,x-systemd.automount,uid=janco 0 0
[16:33] <jancoow>
[16:33] <jancoow> for example
[16:34] <jancoow> only the systemd.automount won't work on ubuntu, you can remove that
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[16:35] <pyroxide> i'm using archlinux arm with LXQt+Openbox. it didn't have problems mounting before network access was available
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[16:40] <traeak> ugh systemd
[16:40] <traeak> void linux ftw :-p
[16:40] <pyroxide> archlinux master race
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[16:41] <traeak> heh
[16:41] <traeak> i switched from gentoo to arch some years ago
[16:41] <traeak> but i'm one of those old die hards that hates pulseaudio and also systemd
[16:41] <traeak> so i've been converting stuff over to void
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[16:42] <pyroxide> systemctl list-unit-files
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[16:42] <pyroxide> what's so bad about systemd?
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[16:42] <traeak> massive over engineering for just a damn init system
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[16:44] <traeak> heh
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[16:44] <pyroxide> i hate grub
[16:45] <pyroxide> luckily there is syslinux
[16:45] <traeak> it became a ton more complex. i think MS and intel poisoning the bios contributed to that some
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[16:46] <pyroxide> couldn't get grub to work on an archlinux vm
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[16:53] <zinit> what hypervisor? hyper-V?
[16:54] <engblom> If I would need to run a raspberry pi image through qemu, where should I begin?
[16:54] <zinit> on hyper-v you can't use 2nd gen.vm for linux (secureboot's a pain in the ass to set up in vm's)
[16:55] <zinit> (for linux anyway.. worked fine in SLES, but havent been able to get it to work in any other distro
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[17:01] <traeak> run qemu or?
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[17:02] <pyroxide> is an 1100 mhz overclock farfetched with just peel and stick heatsinks?
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[17:03] <traeak> which rpi ?
[17:03] <pyroxide> 2b
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[17:09] <josuebc> Hi, I want to start a project to read an RTSP stream (CCTV video stream) and record it. Any suggestions on which version of the board to use? Thanks!
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[17:11] <gordonDrogon> pyroxide, I still use lilo on my x86 systems...
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[17:17] <TrekBike> josubec: Have you looked at zoneminder ?
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[17:26] <Encapsulation> Help!
[17:27] <Encapsulation> as soon as I started school for computer programming and engineering program, I stopped having time///motivation for any of my projects I was doing
[17:27] <Encapsulation> I feel like its holding me back or somethign but I know I need to go back to the basics
[17:27] <Encapsulation> but.... I was creating things, things I could have broight to market
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[17:27] <Encapsulation> now I have to go back and measure all of these resistors do logic gates deal with prof etc
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[17:28] <Encapsulation> and I can't work on any of my projects with fellow students
[17:28] <Encapsulation> because they are all at a beginning level going through the program
[17:28] <Encapsulation> I have been doing this stuff on my own and now filling in the technical aspect of it
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[17:37] <josuebc> TrekBike: No, let me look for it
[17:38] <josuebc> TrekBike: The thing is that I don't want to create a stream, just want to read one, view it and record it
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[17:40] <TrekBike> josuebc: ZoneMinder does let you record streams from IP cams, V4l devices, etc
[17:40] <TrekBike> It also does motion detection if you want
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[17:41] <TrekBike> Lunch time
[17:43] <josuebc> Oh, let me look more into it, then. Thanks
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[17:47] <engblom> Is anyone here runnint Ubuntu Trusty on rpi2?
[17:47] <engblom> running*
[17:47] <Encapsulation> real men run arch
[17:47] <yoosi> Encapsulation: Meh
[17:47] <azizLIGHT> How do you abbreviate pi zero
[17:47] <Encapsulation> xD
[17:47] <yoosi> I run Arch on my daily driver laptop. I run Raspbian for my Pi servers
[17:47] <yoosi> Right tool for the job and all
[17:48] <azizLIGHT> You call them servers eh
[17:48] <Encapsulation> I run arch on my pi function as the brain for an IoT device. Just running code don't need much bloat
[17:48] <engblom> I have tried Arch @desktop and it was too unstable for my taste
[17:48] <yoosi> engblom: Were you using packages from AUR?
[17:49] <yoosi> Because I've never had a problem with instability. Everything that has broken has always been because *I* messed up
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[17:49] <engblom> yoosi: broken upgrades...
[17:50] * yoosi shrugs
[17:50] <engblom> Anyway, my question was if anyone here has tried Ubuntu Trusty @rpi2?
[17:50] <yoosi> Trusty is 14.04?
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[17:50] <engblom> Yes
[17:50] <azizLIGHT> Pi0 is pi zero?
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[17:51] <azizLIGHT> Or do people write rpi0
[17:51] <engblom> I wonder if Ubuntu Trusty for rpi2 got a gpio group...
[17:53] <yoosi> https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=56&t=100553
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[17:59] <engblom> I am willing to give Arch a try also... if it got the official jdk8 (or jdk9) and a gpio user group, giving all in the gpio group access to all under /sys/class/gpio
[18:00] <gordonDrogon> you know - adding a new group is fairly trivial. it should not be a reason to jump to a new distribution.
[18:00] <traeak> running void linux with a wireless dongle
[18:01] <traeak> trying to figure out which memory usage numbers are the best ones
[18:01] <gordonDrogon> biggest is best...
[18:02] <traeak> htop? free? ps?
[18:02] <gordonDrogon> plain old 'top.
[18:02] <gordonDrogon> however you need to understand how Linux allocates & uses memory to make sense of any of them.
[18:02] <traeak> top says '16592' used with 3 getty's
[18:03] <traeak> process and also buffer/cache
[18:03] <gordonDrogon> the getty processes will be sharing the same code image in ram.
[18:03] <traeak> ttop uses 2416 by itself
[18:03] <gordonDrogon> you can waste too much time just looking at these numbers.
[18:03] <traeak> sshd another 3616
[18:03] <gordonDrogon> do you think this is a problem?
[18:03] <traeak> more than that
[18:04] <gordonDrogon> if running 'top' press M (capital M)
[18:04] <traeak> nah, just curiuos how much systemd hogs
[18:04] <gordonDrogon> systemd... no idea, I don't run it.
[18:05] <traeak> sshd and bash are my biggest offenders at the moment
[18:05] <gordonDrogon> what are they offending?
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[18:05] <gordonDrogon> bash is what you type commands into, sshd is what's controlling your network login.
[18:06] <traeak> hehe i've been running linux since nov 1991 so the basics i'm well aware of :-p
[18:06] <gordonDrogon> very good.
[18:06] <traeak> i deserve a cookie for that i know
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[18:07] <gordonDrogon> not from me.
[18:07] <gordonDrogon> although I do run a bakery. I could bake you some.
[18:07] <BurtyB> you must be old traeak ;)
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[18:08] <gordonDrogon> ancient... :)
[18:08] <traeak> yup
[18:09] <traeak> ugh arch's and void's 'top' commands show different units yuk...used to runing htop
[18:11] <traeak> on x86 with systemd, PID 1 runs 4948 (not sure if that's blocks or bytes ugh)
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[18:12] <traeak> in comparison PID 1 with runit is 4 (blocks or bytes or kb?)
[18:13] <SpeedEvil> probably k
[18:13] <Tenkawa> well after 1first day of pi zero.... its a great device for what it is
[18:14] <Tenkawa> I need a few dozen
[18:14] <traeak> pi0 should be great for product deployment
[18:14] <Tenkawa> build a vertical tower rack out of them
[18:16] <gordonDrogon> what's the product?
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[18:19] * BurtyB is also loving the Pi0 - single usb cable for power/usb ethernet/serial rocks :D
[18:19] <traeak> ahh so the usb port doubles as tty ?
[18:19] <traeak> oops
[18:19] * gordonDrogon guesses a hub with wi-fi + usb serial ...
[18:20] <engblom> traeak: When you run Void with WiFi dongle, exactly what did you have to do to get it to work? Is it possible to get it to work by *only* editing text files? I could try Void, but as this is a headless system, I would need to mount the SD card in another computer to set up the WiFi.
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[18:20] <BurtyB> traeak, OTG port connected to my linux router then using the g_cdc "gadget" module
[18:21] <traeak> http://orthovistanow.com/barepi.png
[18:21] <traeak> there's all the services i'm running
[18:22] <traeak> with void
[18:22] <traeak> i run dhcpcd as a service
[18:22] <traeak> and created a wpa_supplicant-wlan0.conf with the proper key information
[18:23] <traeak> and the alsa service to save/restore (plan on messing with some sound stuffz
[18:23] <traeak> anyways
[18:23] <traeak> don' really need all those agettys but regardless
[18:24] <jancoow> burtyb: usb ethernet and serial at the same time is impossible?
[18:24] <engblom> traeak: Is openssh in the default image? I will need a way to get into it through WiFi once it has booted...
[18:24] <traeak> engblom: ugh..let me check
[18:24] <traeak> i believe it is
[18:25] <zesterer> Hello. Would a device such as this: http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B00CWSO2IY?keywords=DC%20motor%20controller&qid=1452101046&ref_=sr_1_1&sr=8-1 be capable of interacting with the RPi with I2C?
[18:26] <traeak> void has a musl image in addition to glibc
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[18:27] <engblom> traeak: I am definitely interested in the musl image, but does jdk8 work?
[18:27] <BurtyB> jancoow, yeah - I'm using g_cdc atm for both
[18:27] <traeak> engblom: zero idea if it does...i'm not a java person :-p
[18:28] <traeak> engblom: no reason it shoudlnt' though
[18:28] <engblom> traeak: I am using Clojure for GPIO and Clojure runs on JVM. It is ridiculously slow on JDK7 on RPI for some reason
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[18:30] <traeak> engblom: checking for java stuff now...
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[18:30] <jancoow> BurtyB: at the same time??
[18:30] <traeak> engblom: might not be any java engine on it at the moment....what am i looking for? jre ? jdk ?
[18:31] <engblom> traeak: JRE8 is enough for me
[18:32] <traeak> engblom: not seeing jre in rpi2 package query stuff.
[18:33] <BurtyB> jancoow, yup, it shows up as a composite USB device. g_multi is supposed to give ether/serial/block but that didn't seem to work for me
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[18:36] <engblom> traeak: When I am searching for 'jdk' at http://www.voidlinux.eu/packages/ it shows "oracle-jdk-arm 8u513 armv7l nonfree 84716"
[18:36] <engblom> traeak: Is rpi2 using the armv7l repository?
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[18:46] <Stanto> zesterer: no, the hint is, that the device you linked isn't i2c
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[18:48] <traeak> engblom: perhaps...migt be part of the void-repo-nonfree... wait one
[18:48] <traeak> engblom: okay this is part of the non free repository: oracle-jdk-arm-8u51_3
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[18:51] <traeak> engblom: does that give you what you need?
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[19:00] <zesterer> Stanto, Ok... Do any I2C motor controllers actually exist? I've been searching for some time now...
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[19:01] <SpeedEvil> zesterer: yes
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[19:02] <SpeedEvil> http://www.mouser.co.uk/new/NXP-Semiconductors/nxppca9629/
[19:03] <SpeedEvil> http://www.ti.com/product/DRV8830
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[19:04] <pyroxide> (Work in progress) my Pi2B case: https://imgur.com/a/hFV1J
[19:04] <pyroxide> to look like this: http://wimages.vr-zone.net/2014/01/IMG_5482.jpg
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[19:05] <pyroxide> still need some sides, but i've got the LEDs working
[19:06] <zesterer> SpeedEvil, Thanks for the links
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[19:09] <SpeedEvil> (those were the first I found, there may well be better ones)
[19:09] <SpeedEvil> also - if you can use SPI, check that too
[19:10] <SpeedEvil> search ST/TI/...'s site
[19:12] <engblom> traeak: Yes, it does!
[19:12] <azizLIGHT> Does it make sense to use zfs on raspberry pi sdcard filesystem
[19:13] <azizLIGHT> I mean, sdcards seem to be more prone to failure
[19:13] <azizLIGHT> Would zfs help with early detection
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[19:18] <dreamon> I want to boot raspberry to boot and start my program so that its shown normally in the console. I dont use any kind of desktop envoirment. Only tty console
[19:19] <Kitt3n> dreamon, just don't install a desktop environment, and add said program to auto launch on boot? :p
[19:20] <dreamon> Kitt3n, how can I do, without typing it in console to do?
[19:20] <Kitt3n> well, what do you actually want to run?
[19:20] <Kitt3n> if it has a daemon, use that
[19:21] <azizLIGHT> You can use cron
[19:21] <azizLIGHT> Put a @reboot task for your program
[19:22] <dreamon> I programmed a C programm. And I want to start it at the end of bootprocess. I havent installed a gui. But I always have to typ it in, to start.
[19:22] <azizLIGHT> Maybe wrap a script around your program to check to see if it's still alive
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[19:22] <dreamon> one second
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[19:23] <dreamon> screen -dmS pi; screen -S pi -X screen /home/pi/C-Heizung2013/heizpi or screen -dmS pi; screen -S pi -X stuff "myprogram"
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[19:24] <dreamon> I start a screensession where myprogram should be running in. so I can connect every time an can look whats happening.
[19:25] <dreamon> I tried to insert in rc.local but nothing happens.
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[19:27] <Kitt3n> personally I would go for a daemonized backend and a frontend program that connects to the backend to grab what's happening and simply disconnect from the daemon when done / logging off :p
[19:27] <azizLIGHT> Take your command, stick it in a bash script, then edit your cron tab and add @reboot yourscript.sh
[19:27] <azizLIGHT> Your command meaning your whole screen thingamajig
[19:28] <engblom> traeak: I followed this https://wiki.voidlinux.eu/Raspberry_Pi . Now when I would want to make sure the network settings are right before first boot (headless), I notice there is no /var/service inside of the rootfs
[19:28] <engblom> traeak: For network settings I planned to follow https://wiki.voidlinux.eu/Network_Configuration
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[19:29] <dreamon> Kitt3n, azizLIGHT Thanks. I will try this out.
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[19:30] <Kitt3n> dreamon, unless I misunderstood, if you simply want a terminal to be open at all times on your host with that command, do a cronjob :p
[19:30] <traeak> engblom: rpi or rpi2?
[19:30] <engblom> rpi2
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[19:31] <traeak> so you did get the rpi2 image right?
[19:32] <traeak> i don't recall about the /var/service dir...probably should be there considering agetty's definitely fire up
[19:32] <Tenkawa> what linux distribution?
[19:32] <engblom> traeak: The documentation told me to use rootfs, it did not mention any image
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[19:33] <Tenkawa> if its debian based setup the interface in /etc/network/interfaces
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[19:39] <traeak> engblom: oh you mean partitionand format the sd card, mount it up and then untar into it?
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[19:40] <traeak> engblom: seems like i built my rpi2 in july or so...can't remember :-p
[19:40] <traeak> engblom: but the network config stuff looks fine
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[19:58] <dreamon> Kitt3n, azizLIGHT That works beautiful!! THANKS a LOT!
[19:58] <azizLIGHT> dreamon: awesome
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[20:08] <Tenkawa> 20 pi zero's in stock at adafruit
[20:08] <Tenkawa> atm...
[20:09] <Tenkawa> ouch those are going quick
[20:10] <SpeedEvil> A cynical person might say that tehre was no intent ever to go into volume production of the zero, but it was to kill other projects.
[20:10] <SpeedEvil> I guess we'll see in six months
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[20:11] <Tenkawa> I really like using it so far
[20:12] <Tenkawa> not sure you saw it earlier... I'd like to build a tower column of them and do some distributed computing
[20:13] <Tenkawa> I think it wouold be neat
[20:16] <TrekBike> tenkawa someone did that with a bunch if raspberry pis
[20:16] <Tenkawa> TrekBike: nice
[20:16] <TrekBike> It was when the first model 2 came out a few years ago
[20:16] <Tenkawa> i just think a tree/column of the zero's would look really neat too
[20:17] <Tenkawa> yes I'm odd
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[20:24] <PBSandwich> i would like a Zero, but not going to rush to track one down. Other things I can buy that are arm based to mess with.
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[20:25] <jancoow> friend of my did
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[20:25] <Tenkawa> PBSandwich: I have a lot of different arm boxes and some mips
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[20:25] <Tenkawa> pretty much all i work with
[20:26] <jancoow> http://mastermindzh.com/blog.php?blog=Raspberry_pi_cluster_the_build
[20:26] <PBSandwich> Tenkawa: cool
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[20:26] <PBSandwich> i picked up a couple this week to hack on.
[20:26] <PBSandwich> what mip devices do you have?
[20:26] <Tenkawa> PBSandwich: yeah, over the years those two architectures are the first to really get me back into the hardware side again
[20:27] <Tenkawa> PBSandwich: Creator CI20
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[20:28] <PBSandwich> Tenkawa: same here, used to mess with stuff like this a while ago. just kind of got borred. but with all the devices that are coming out, that are arm based etc. and you actually have to do some hardware hacking on. making it fun again. At least for me it is
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[20:29] <PBSandwich> i have a crap load of Arduino's 12+ of them. and 6 or so other devices.
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[20:32] <PBSandwich> Tenkawa: this is one i really enjoy http://www.notanon.com/zipit/adding-a-serial-port-to-the-zipit-z2-with-an-internal-serial-level-shifter/2010/06/24/
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[20:32] <PBSandwich> screen and all. and can run a full linux distro. there just cool little devices.
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[20:35] <Tenkawa> I mostly build these as headless servers and interface devices for other gear
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[20:38] <encore> hi all. i'm new to the pi, got a pi2 for christmas and just love it. steep learning curve for me. will lurk and try to learn from you guys and girls.
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[20:41] <TinkerTiger> I've been using Unix/Linux for 25 years, still learning. :)
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[20:46] <encore> i might be lurking a while ;-)
[20:47] <TinkerTiger> Don't hesitate to ask a question or two At least twice a year. ;)
[20:49] <Tenkawa> indeed
[20:49] <Tenkawa> TinkerTiger: did you ever have a chance to experience the fun of xenix or old minix?
[20:50] <encore> thanks, it's all very new. will try and get my head around it a bit before annoying you all with dumb questions ;-)
[20:50] <TinkerTiger> If we get annoyed at a question, we forget where we all started.
[20:50] <Tenkawa> hehheheh
[20:51] <TinkerTiger> Tenkawa: I bounced off those but their shileds were stronger then my ship. ;)
[20:51] <Tenkawa> heheheheh
[20:51] <Tenkawa> between those and NCR's SVR4 things were interesting back then
[20:51] <TinkerTiger> I nearly did purchas a 32 core VMS machine.
[20:51] <Tenkawa> heeheheh
[20:51] <Tenkawa> vms and I did not get along
[20:52] <TrekBike> I used OpenVMS 7.3 on a DEC Alpha.
[20:52] <TinkerTiger> No. Though, I did fix a few email programs.
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[20:52] <TinkerTiger> Not bad for an 18 year old blind college student.
[20:52] <Tenkawa> TrekBike: I was only using Ultrix on the DEC boxes at my locsation
[20:52] <Tenkawa> er location
[20:53] <TrekBike> My company had to provide a data access module to a 3rd party for the data files we created.
[20:53] <Tenkawa> heheheh
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[20:53] <TinkerTiger> I say, I'm reletively new to all of this. I didn't start using any of it until 1990.
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[20:54] <TrekBike> This was about 10 years ago. I spent like 4 hours on the phone with Compaq trying to find someone that could sell me OpenVMS licenses.
[20:54] <Tenkawa> ouch
[20:55] <TinkerTiger> Yay.
[20:55] <TrekBike> I heard the phrase "Oh its you again..." a few times.
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[20:56] <TinkerTiger> encore: Because there are so many flavors of everything, even the 'professionals' don't know much. ;)
[20:57] <TinkerTiger> So, I know everyone uses the SSD1306 driver, but I have a SSD1305 and I want to use it on my pi. Not having luck finding the driver.
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[20:58] <Tenkawa> what kind of device is that?
[20:58] <Tenkawa> dont recognize the model/part number
[20:58] <TinkerTiger> OLED display.
[20:58] <Tenkawa> ahhhh
[20:59] <Tenkawa> cant help ya there
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[21:02] <Tenkawa> well darnit.. usb keeps disappearing on this build
[21:02] <TinkerTiger> Annoying.
[21:03] <Tenkawa> everything else seems find
[21:03] * TinkerTiger is a professional Stater of the Obvious.
[21:03] <Tenkawa> I think its a dtb or related problem
[21:06] <traeak> engblom: there's a void linux irc and an xbps irc
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[21:29] <Tenkawa> next test....
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[21:34] <Tenkawa> oooh.. may have a fix
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[21:34] <Tenkawa> "may"
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[21:50] <Tenkawa> this thing just hates me
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[21:50] <Tenkawa> 4.3.0 kernel before tuning works fine
[21:50] <Tenkawa> 4.3.3 nope
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[21:53] <Tenkawa> time to compile side by side configs
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[21:55] <Lyka> where can i find help for vcgencmd ?
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[21:56] <Lyka> oh, never mind
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[21:56] <Lyka> how do i tell if there is a cable in the speaker port?
[21:58] <Lyka> i mean, how would a program find out
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[22:00] <Chillum> finally got a Pi Zero!
[22:00] <Lyka> yay!
[22:01] <Chillum> I want to make a way smaller version of the raspberry pi thermal printer
[22:02] <Peetz0r> I just deviced on a way to properly disable my monitor when I tell it to
[22:02] <Peetz0r> it involges a power mosfet and a gpio port
[22:02] <Chillum> relay?
[22:02] <Chillum> hehe I was close
[22:03] <Peetz0r> the nice thing is that my display is powered trough a 19V brick, not directly with 230V
[22:03] <Peetz0r> makes this project fall inside my safety comfort zone :)
[22:03] <Chillum> as long as you don't open it up you should be fine
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[22:04] <Peetz0r> I have opened up displays before
[22:04] <Peetz0r> mostof those are sortof fine now :p
[22:04] <Peetz0r> the thing is that having 230V on a bare pcb is not my idea of a proper solution
[22:04] <Chillum> though if you are sweaty 19V can conduct through skin. People picking up car batteries who press it against a sweaty shirt can learn this the hard way
[22:04] <Peetz0r> 19v would be fine tough
[22:05] <Peetz0r> okay, but it's still way better than 230 :)
[22:05] <Chillum> yup
[22:05] <Tenkawa> Chillum: got my pi zero two days ago... it has been really fun
[22:05] <Peetz0r> and I might make this so it fits inside my raspi case
[22:05] <Peetz0r> which is relatively spacious
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[22:07] <Chillum> I am thinking https://www.adafruit.com/products/597 would be barely any larger if a pi zero was mounted to the back of it
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[22:09] <Chillum> then it just need a barrel jack for power and wifi dongle and I have a portable wifi printer
[22:09] <JK-47> Honestly, I dontknow why people would get that vs a better bluetooth POS system for a tablet or phone.
[22:09] <Chillum> the printer uses up to 1.5A but I have a usb battery that does 2A
[22:09] <Peetz0r> because this one just looks cool
[22:10] <Peetz0r> maybe even cute
[22:10] <Chillum> 100% control over software
[22:10] <Chillum> those POS systems are aptly named
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[22:11] <TrekBike> I know my canon wifi printer can't seem to stay connected to the wifi network
[22:11] <Peetz0r> piece of sale?
[22:11] <Peetz0r> point of shit?
[22:11] <JK-47> point of sale
[22:11] <Peetz0r> ikr :p
[22:12] <Chillum> wifi printers have such poor security, they are constantly being hacked
[22:12] <Chillum> then used as a pivot point inside the network
[22:12] <Chillum> thye have about the same quality software as consumer routers
[22:12] <JK-47> most pico sized printers are bluetooth.
[22:12] <Peetz0r> I once had a root shell on a webcam
[22:13] <Peetz0r> the webcam was in a hotel lan
[22:13] <Peetz0r> if I wanted to, well, yeah...
[22:13] <Peetz0r> (I responsibly disclosed the thing and it is fixed)
[22:14] <Peetz0r> (the fix was outsourcing the whole webcam thingie to a company that specialises in internetr-facing webcams)
[22:14] <Chillum> internet enabled consumer devices are low hanging fruit for hackers. It is rarely in the cost model of the company to do anything more than the minumum of software development
[22:15] <Chillum> video cameras are the creepiest though
[22:15] <Peetz0r> the only thing that happened here was that the default password got changed into... the name of the hotel :p
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[22:15] <Chillum> god bless default passwords.... somewhere someone though it was a good idea and it stuck
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[22:20] <ShapeShifter499> hi
[22:20] <traeak> boo?
[22:21] <ShapeShifter499> do I need any special stuff for usb mouses on the PiZero? I have a usb mouse that does not get detected but can be verified to work on a arch linux laptop
[22:21] <ShapeShifter499> I thought it was the power so I bumped it up to 5v 2amp from 5v 1amp
[22:21] <ShapeShifter499> nothing gets it working, even checked via dmesg and lsusb
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[22:22] <Lyka> so i set up my a+ to play music
[22:22] <Lyka> whenever it is plugged in
[22:22] <Lyka> on shufle
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[22:24] <Lyka> had to do something with it
[22:24] <Lyka> of course, i can't exactly control it yet without ssh
[22:24] <Lyka> or unpluging it
[22:24] <Tenkawa> ShapeShifter499: does lsusb show the usb controller at least?
[22:25] <ShapeShifter499> Tenkawa: yes, I have a usb keyboard that does work
[22:26] <ShapeShifter499> the keyboard has a usb hub built into it and other usb devices are detected through it just not the mouse
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[22:26] <Tenkawa> does a device identifier show up for the mouse? or anything odd in dmesg?
[22:26] <Lyka> so i can't pause or lover the volume yet
[22:27] <ShapeShifter499> Tenkawa: I can barely make out the text in the tty console but no afaik
[22:27] <Lyka> that was loud
[22:27] <Tenkawa> can you ssh into it?
[22:27] <ShapeShifter499> this is being displayed on a huge 42" tv
[22:27] <Tenkawa> ahhh
[22:27] <ShapeShifter499> Tenkawa: no I cannot, no net yet
[22:27] <Tenkawa> that is really odd
[22:28] <Tenkawa> oh... wait..
[22:28] <Lyka> not without the wifi thing i removed to save power...damn
[22:28] <Tenkawa> what kind of otg adapter are you using?
[22:28] <Lyka> i can't safely turn it off
[22:28] <Tenkawa> my zero runs headless so i cant say I've seen this mouse problem happen
[22:28] <Tenkawa> Lyka: whats up?
[22:29] <Lyka> oh, you talkingto someone else
[22:29] <Tenkawa> yes
[22:29] <Tenkawa> ShapeShifter499:
[22:29] <Lyka> oops
[22:29] <Tenkawa> whats up though?
[22:29] <Tenkawa> maybeI can try to help
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[22:29] <Lyka> turned my a+ into a shuffle
[22:29] <Lyka> music player
[22:29] <Tenkawa> k..
[22:29] <Lyka> but i forgot to leave the wifi dongle in
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[22:30] <Lyka> so ican't shut it off safely
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[22:30] <ShapeShifter499> Tenkawa: just a micro-b cable with a female to female adapter
[22:30] <Lyka> and there are no buttons...
[22:30] <Tenkawa> do you not have a serial cable?
[22:31] <Lyka> serial?
[22:31] <Tenkawa> ShapeShifter499: i think you got to have a otg cable
[22:31] <ShapeShifter499> Tenkawa: the one I have is a usb one and I think it's busted
[22:31] <pyroxide> i blew up my install's audio functionality....backups are a good thing...
[22:31] <Lyka> what's a serial cable?
[22:31] <Tenkawa> Lyka: doesnt the a+ have pins you can connect a serial pin cable to?
[22:31] <pyroxide> Lyka, some crap from the 80's
[22:31] <Lyka> i assume so
[22:31] <ShapeShifter499> Tenkawa: I had a "otg" one that had the 5th pin and 4th pin connected together but the pi wouldn't even detect any usb devices at all, not even the keyboard then
[22:31] <Lyka> but i don't have a serial cable
[22:32] <ShapeShifter499> the other cable allows the keyboard to work
[22:32] <Tenkawa> ShapeShifter499: thats odd.. considering the zero is suppose to need otg
[22:32] <Tenkawa> as far as I knew
[22:32] <Lyka> i have an idea
[22:32] <Tenkawa> Lyka: hmm... without some way to re-init the connection.... not sure what you can do besides pull power
[22:33] <Tenkawa> unless you can get to the console
[22:33] <Lyka> i may be able to use an arduino to facilitate it
[22:33] <Lyka> bbiab diner
[22:33] <Tenkawa> good luck
[22:33] <ShapeShifter499> Tenkawa: someone in the #rapbian channel says the female to female usb + a regular micro-b cable should work
[22:34] <Tenkawa> i cant say either way without readinhg the specs again
[22:34] <Lyka> unplugged it
[22:34] <ShapeShifter499> I was reading I could maybe just otg it to my laptop.... like how android has ADB
[22:35] <t3chguy> ShapeShifter499: an OTG Adapter is passive, so yeah that cable combo would work instead of a proper OTG Cable
[22:35] <TrekBike> Yes I've lost my entire investment in oil.
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[22:37] <ShapeShifter499> Tenkawa: I might try this if I cannot get a usb mouse working http://pi.gbaman.info/?p=699
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[22:40] <Chillum> Nice all I had to do was add my network to /etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf and I was able to ssh into the Pi Zero. I was worried I would have to find a keyboard and monitor to get it setup
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[22:41] <Tenkawa> Chillum: thats all i did
[22:41] <Chillum> I want to set it up to show up as a USB ethernet device next
[22:41] <Tenkawa> I prepped an image with that setup.. connected, ssh'd and finished the rest
[22:41] <Tenkawa> it was one of the quickest builds I ever had
[22:41] <Tenkawa> it was great
[22:41] <ShapeShifter499> I don't have a usb wifi dongle so I'll have to buy one
[22:41] <Chillum> in fact I want to make a modified image that does that so I can hook a bunch up to a hub
[22:42] <Chillum> I got a cheapie $5 one from fleabay
[22:42] <ShapeShifter499> fleabay?
[22:42] <ShapeShifter499> ebay?
[22:42] <Tenkawa> microcenter has a good selection if you are in usa
[22:42] <Chillum> ya
[22:42] <ShapeShifter499> there is this place called "surplus stuff" that should have one
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[22:42] <ShapeShifter499> it's near me and I'm going later for usb hubs
[22:43] <Tenkawa> I'm 15 minutes from one.. comes in handy
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[22:43] <Tenkawa> too handy sometimes haahaa
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[22:44] <Tenkawa> still want to pick up a few more pi zeros now
[22:44] <Tenkawa> heheheh
[22:44] <ShapeShifter499> Tenkawa: I wish there was a microcenter near me, seems like it has a better selection of electronic parts
[22:44] <Tenkawa> ShapeShifter499: it is great
[22:44] <Tenkawa> at least here
[22:44] <ShapeShifter499> the bigger place, fry's electronics doesn't even carry pi's near me
[22:44] <Tenkawa> really?
[22:45] <Chillum> I want a nice front panel display on my computer box to display temperatures and such. I will probably use a pi zero behind it to provide a serial interface to my main system
[22:45] <Tenkawa> fry's use to be pretty good back in the day
[22:45] <ShapeShifter499> Tenkawa: last I checked.... but I was looking for the zero anyways
[22:45] <Chillum> need a good display that fills the space of 2 cdrom bays
[22:45] <Tenkawa> fry's is still only west coast right?
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[22:46] <ShapeShifter499> Tenkawa: mostly but I think there are a few elsewhere
[22:46] <Tenkawa> yeah
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[22:47] <Tenkawa> if best buy got them some day then i would be shocked
[22:47] <Tenkawa> heheheh
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[22:48] <ShapeShifter499> Tenkawa: they should when they carry other small devices like the chromecast
[22:49] <Tenkawa> chromecast is a different target audience though
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[22:50] <ShapeShifter499> meh
[22:50] <Chillum> would love to get 10 for $50
[22:50] <Chillum> eventually I will
[22:52] <Lyka> autoplay script has been removed.
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[23:02] <Lyka> yeah, the 3.5mm jack's audio quality sucks
[23:02] <Lyka> i had been told, i didn't pay attention
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[23:02] <Lyka> at least it does on the A+
[23:03] <Lyka> i use hdmi with my 2B
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[23:05] <Lyka> i rememebr when i was little i asked for a "3.5mm to 2.5mm adaptor" or similar at a radioshack and was accused of being british because i used the metric numbers
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[23:05] <deshipu> the whole world use metric numbers
[23:06] * gordonDrogon wonders what 3.5mm is in imperial..
[23:06] <deshipu> in fact, the British still use imperial in some cases
[23:06] <gordonDrogon> yes, we do.
[23:06] <Lyka> and people at radio shacks are not necessarily bright
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[23:06] <deshipu> pints and such
[23:06] <Myrtti> people's measurements
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[23:06] <Myrtti> distances
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[23:06] <Myrtti> (long distances)
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[23:06] <Lyka> I'm from Long Island
[23:06] <Lyka> I measure distance in travel time
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[23:07] <gordonDrogon> you can only ask for a pint in a pub - it's normally sold in metric in shops (0.5l, 0.33l are typical)
[23:07] <nyt> long island is a sad sad place
[23:07] <gordonDrogon> milk is also sold by the pint, but a lot have now moved to a litre.
[23:07] <gordonDrogon> road distances are miles.
[23:07] <gordonDrogon> but apart from that :-)
[23:08] <shauno> gordonDrogon: 3.5mm is 1/8th. 6.3mm is 1/4 and 2.5mm is 3/32
[23:08] <Lyka> nyt: I said i was from there, not that i still lived there
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[23:08] <nyt> lucky you escaped
[23:08] <nyt> still stuck here
[23:09] <gordonDrogon> the 3.5 -> 1/8 is a somewhat approximate conversion though.
[23:09] <gordonDrogon> I wonder what the real size is - is it really 3.5mm or really 1/8th?
[23:09] <deshipu> shauno: I thought that 2.5mm is 1/10?
[23:09] <gordonDrogon> 25.4mm to the inch.
[23:10] <gordonDrogon> don't think I've even got any 3.5mm cables to check...
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[23:11] <encore> in ireland road distance signs used to be in kilometres and speed signs in miles per hour. it was very confusing.
[23:11] <deshipu> my calipers say my 3.5mm plug is actually 3.4mm
[23:11] <shauno> I'm not sure either. I think 1/4 and 1/8 were originally in standard, but 2.5 was originally in metric
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[23:12] <shauno> ireland has speed limits in kph now. took me a while to get used to seeing speed limits set at 120
[23:12] <Spiffy> 120, within city limits? Nice
[23:13] <shauno> nah, 120 is motorways
[23:13] <shauno> (freeways
[23:13] <Spiffy> Haha, I know :P
[23:13] <Spiffy> It's 130 here, and 50 within city limits.
[23:13] <Lyka> i'm used to a max speed limit of 55*5/3 km/s
[23:13] <Lyka> or whatever the conversion formula is
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[23:14] <shauno> we still have pints in pints though (but it is more metric than the UK overall)
[23:14] <gordonDrogon> ok. found a 3.5mm jack plug - measured it and its 3.5mm.
[23:14] <Lyka> metric pint?
[23:15] <encore> uk / us gallon?
[23:15] <Chillum> we only use pints for beer
[23:16] <Chillum> though a 1/2 litre is more common
[23:16] <Myrtti> Chillum: and milk
[23:16] <CoJaBo> How do I tell if any of the wifi cards I have can do master/AP mode?
[23:16] <Chillum> nah we measure milk in litres
[23:16] <Myrtti> my milk canister disagrees
[23:16] <Chillum> if someone offered me a pint of milk I would wonder if they meant beer
[23:17] <shauno> if someone offered me a pint of milk, I'd start looking for new friends :/
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[23:17] <Chillum> ^ dat
[23:17] <Myrtti> ;___; I'm drinking three a day at the moment...
[23:17] <CoJaBo> ...why is this the mi lfhannel now?
[23:18] <CoJaBo> milk*
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[23:18] <Myrtti> CoJaBo: imperial measurements
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[23:18] <Chillum> I just ordered 32Gb of RAM for $200, cheap! I looked into getting 32Gb a couple years ago, it was WAY more
[23:18] <Chillum> really coming down in price
[23:19] <CoJaBo> I have 2 different cards;
[23:19] <CoJaBo> Edimax Technology Co., Ltd EW-7811Un 802.11n Wireless Adapter [Realtek RTL8188CUS]
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[23:21] <Lyka> gtg
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[23:26] <pyroxide> how do i make alsa sound better?
[23:26] <pyroxide> i get nasty static
[23:26] <pyroxide> ...at low volume
[23:27] <mlelstv> "static"
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[23:28] <mlelstv> maybe use better audio hardware?
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[23:34] <myself> yeah, if you don't have a whole separate power system for the analog path, it's always gonna suck
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[23:35] <myself> expensive soundcards are expensive because they have things like isolated dc-dc converters to derive those power supplies, and piles of L-C filters to make 'em buttery smooth before using 'em for audio.
[23:35] <mlelstv> for the analog output you don't need a separate power system.
[23:36] <myself> so where does the analog output driver get its power? what's the noise on that rail? how's the ground noise, and how is its input referenced?
[23:36] <pyroxide> does the digital output have that problem?
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[23:36] <mlelstv> no
[23:36] <myself> digital output shouldn't, no. Try that and see if you get the same noise with some other device doing the dac step
[23:37] <myself> if you still have noise on the digital, it's a software/timing problem, totally different
[23:37] <mlelstv> the analog output is PWM with a simple RC low pass.
[23:39] <pyroxide> gonna try bluetooth as i don't have any dollars for fancy hardware
[23:40] <CoJaBo> Edimax Technology Co., Ltd EW-7811Un 802.11n Wireless Adapter [Realtek RTL8188CUS] and Ralink Technology, Corp. RT5370 Wireless Adapter
[23:41] <CoJaBo> How do I find out if either can do AP mode?
[23:42] <mlelstv> http://blog.sip2serve.com/post/48420162196/howto-setup-rtl8188cus-on-rpi-as-an-access-point
[23:42] <CoJaBo> I've found a page each saying they work and don't work; how do I actually check?
[23:43] <mlelstv> you test the proposed configurations.
[23:45] <mlelstv> http://www.daveconroy.com/turn-your-raspberry-pi-into-a-wifi-hotspot-with-edimax-nano-usb-ew-7811un-rtl8188cus-chipset/
[23:45] <mlelstv> this one explains that the standard hostapd doesn't support the RTL8188CUS, but you can get one from edimax.
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[23:47] <mlelstv> the driver here (not Linux) says it supports hostapd mode.
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[23:50] <CoJaBo> ..wonder how difficult that is to install :/
[23:51] <CoJaBo> is the ther card better supporteD? I can use either one
[23:51] <CoJaBo> other*
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[23:57] <mlelstv> the rt5370 seems to have less support, no idea if it works as AP
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