#raspberrypi IRC Log


IRC Log for 2016-01-07

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[0:00] <CoJaBo> Is there one that's known to work well for AP?
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[0:22] <Stanto> zesterer: if you search for "i2c motor controller" google pretty much instantly provides, I'm not sure what you've been searching for
[0:23] <zesterer> Stanto, If I wanted a motor that could rotate a specific angle, which would be the best type to go for?
[0:23] <ozzzy> does it have to rotate more than one revolution?
[0:23] <Stanto> zesterer: I don't understand the question
[0:25] <Stanto> zesterer: I suspect you're wanting a stepper motor.
[0:25] <Stanto> Else you want to attach an encoder.
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[0:26] <Chillum> stepper and encoder even
[0:27] <zesterer> Stanto, How can I attach an encoder? Is there a standard way of doing things?
[0:28] <zesterer> Stanto, If I can't control the precise angle, then knowing how far the motor has turned is almost as good.
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[0:41] <Stanto> zesterer: I'm not aware of a standard way of doing things, we just made adapters and attached them together. From knowing how far the motor has turned that's the way you would control the precise angle, else you use a stepper motor
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[0:42] <zesterer> Stanto, I guess. I'm trying to make a balancing robot as so many others have done and I'm not sure what kind of precision I would need when it comes to motor control
[0:44] <methuzla> you'll probably need a real (not hobby) servo for that
[0:44] <Chillum> precision is less important if you use real-time-feedback
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[0:45] <methuzla> motor position may not even be needed, feedback would be an accelo or gyro
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[0:46] <Chillum> if you design it like this: http://media.liveauctiongroup.net/i/3150/1098528_1.jpg?v=8C659044AE31270 - then you don't need a servo at all
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[0:58] <pyroxide> i think there's something wrong with clementine whe using pulse audio
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[1:00] <pyroxide> clementine crashes or just plain refuses to start playing when using pulseaudio sink
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[1:04] <traeak> pulseaudio! argh
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[1:05] <pyroxide> only using it for bluetooth, since i don't have an hdmi audio extractor
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[1:20] <pyroxide> hrm. nobody told me about disable_audio_dither
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[1:38] <zesterer> Chillum, Sorry didn't see the message. Thanks for the link, I'll check it out
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[2:00] <kojiro> Is there a "blessed" pastebin for this channel?
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[2:03] <methuzla> don't think so, use your favorite
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[2:07] <kojiro> I have a Zero and I'm having trouble getting it hooked up to wifi. Here's the relevant dmesg: https://gist.github.com/anonymous/2cc1070554cb77bb82f2
[2:08] <kojiro> The thing is, I tried various rtl modules, but couldn't get them to modprobe
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[2:17] <Gaming4JC> Hello, I am attempting to install Arch Linux ARM on Raspberry Pi B+, the first time it booted past the bootloader but had i/o errors. So I ran badblocks on the sdcard to check it for errors (there were none), then I formatted the drive again and put it back in but the raspberry pi no longer booted at all
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[2:17] <Gaming4JC> now it's a solid red light
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[2:17] <Gaming4JC> bricked? :|
[2:17] <Gaming4JC> I tried another SDCard and got the same solid red light
[2:18] <Gaming4JC> also tried two power supplies
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[2:21] <methuzla> did the other sd have a good image on it?
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[2:23] <Gaming4JC> methuzla, both sd cards are brand new. One is 32GB Transcend, and the other is 16GB SanDisk. I imaged both of them per http://archlinuxarm.org/platforms/armv6/raspberry-pi
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[2:24] * ozzzy has always had luck with cheap chinese SD cards
[2:24] <Gaming4JC> The Transcend one booted once! It was exciting
[2:24] <methuzla> http://elinux.org/R-Pi_Troubleshooting#Red_power_LED_is_on.2C_green_LED_does_not_flash.2C_nothing_on_display
[2:25] <methuzla> red light mostly means sd issue
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[2:27] <methuzla> to sanity check, download a good image: https://www.raspberrypi.org/downloads
[2:28] <methuzla> and image with dd: https://www.raspberrypi.org/documentation/installation/installing-images/linux.md
[2:29] <Gaming4JC> good idea.
[2:30] <Gaming4JC> The clips seem fine, checked those. The card (was) working, so I'm not sure what caused it to suddenly stop working.
[2:30] <Gaming4JC> it did give i/o errors on the screen prior to me turning it off
[2:30] <Gaming4JC> the i/o errors make me wonder about the clips or something else
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[2:47] <Hammered|> Anyone working with a MCP3008 A/D converter?
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[2:51] <SkaBob> is it bad form to ask about retropie (keyboard layout issues) in here? their channel seems to be pretty inexperienced with linux internals...
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[2:52] <ironm> Good evening. Happy New Year. I have one question about setting display resolution in raspberry pi2 Model B (like below)
[2:52] <ironm> Linux raspberrypi 4.1.13-v7+ #826 SMP PREEMPT Fri Nov 13 20:19:03 GMT 2015 armv7l GNU/Linux
[2:52] <ironm> I have connected a touch screen 800x480
[2:53] <ironm> only a part of this display is used.
[2:53] <NedScott> yeah, those 800x480 displays are tricky
[2:54] <ironm> What file should be modified to add the 800x480 pixel resolution (to use the whole display of the TFT)?
[2:54] <NedScott> you need to edit the config.txt file and throw in a special thing
[2:54] <NedScott> https://learn.adafruit.com/adafruit-5-800x480-tft-hdmi-monitor-touchscreen-backpack/raspberry-pi-config
[2:54] <ironm> NedScott, thanks a lot of your hints.
[2:54] <NedScott> I had the same issue
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[2:54] <NedScott> got a cheap one from ebay
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[2:55] <ironm> I thought it is fb.modes in /etc
[2:55] <ironm> I paid US$ 39.99 for a new one
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[2:55] <ironm> I check the link
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[2:57] <Chillum> nice, my Pi Zero with wifi dongle downloading at 1mb/s+ is only using 250mA
[2:57] <ironm> NedScott, do you run linux or windows on your box ?
[2:57] <Chillum> I cut a shunt into a usb cable to measure with
[2:58] <NedScott> a little of everything
[2:58] <ironm> I see
[2:58] <Chillum> now I just need low power gps
[2:58] <NedScott> I use OS X on my laptop and Windows and linux on the desktop
[2:58] <ironm> it is just the flash
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[2:59] <Chillum> 88mA when idling with nothing connected
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[2:59] <SkaBob> if I've used both raspi-config and dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration to set my keyboard mapping, and verified in /etc/default/keyboard that my zero thinks I'm using a 104key US layout keyboard, and that my local is en_US.UTF-8, what else might I check to see why even after a reboot the OS uses the UK keyboard layout?
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[2:59] <Hammered|> Chillum: That is pretty freakin cool!
[3:00] <Chillum> gunna get some tiny RC batteries and send it up in my quadcopter
[3:00] <Chillum> nice and light
[3:00] <SkaBob> Chillum: does ardupilot work on the rpi? That'd be a great use for the zero...
[3:00] <Chillum> It only needs to run the Pi for 30-40 minutes so I don't need much of a battery
[3:00] <Chillum> SkaBob: ardupilot needs a real time system
[3:00] <Chillum> a Pi would not do
[3:01] <SkaBob> ah...I could've sworn they'd branched out.. it's been a couple years since I really looked
[3:01] <Chillum> I may be wrong, I have not looked into it in a while either
[3:01] <Chillum> I am going to run kismet on the zero with a wifi dongle and GPS
[3:01] <SkaBob> it could well be that they were using the GPIO to interface with something that DID work
[3:02] <Chillum> though I may just use the GPS on the copter and correlate the coordinates later
[3:02] <SkaBob> where else in raspbian might it store the keyboard layout to use, other than /etc/default/keyboard?
[3:02] <Chillum> SkaBob: that would make sense. A Pi with a real-time MCU hat becomes very powerful
[3:02] <Chillum> I use something like that for controlling lights
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[3:02] <Chillum> I just use raspi-config to set keyboard
[3:03] <SkaBob> Chillum: yeah, I did that...it saved the changes to /etc/default/keyboard, but even after a reboot it's still using the UK keymap
[3:03] <Hammered|> Chillum: But he's using an alternate OS.
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[3:03] <Chillum> ahhh
[3:03] <SkaBob> Hammered|: technically I'm using a customized version of raspbian, but yes.
[3:03] <SkaBob> it's entirely possible the guy that wrote retropie wielded a customization wrong
[3:03] <Chillum> well, uncharted territory then
[3:04] <SkaBob> that's why I asked where else I might look
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[3:04] <SkaBob> I've got tons of linux boxen, and they tend to actually USE /etc/default/keyboard....heh....
[3:04] <Chillum> I have resorted to searching the whole filesystem for words I know will be in the config file I am looking for
[3:04] <Chillum> it takes a while but finds it no matter where it is
[3:04] <SkaBob> not a bad idea...glad I at least got a class 10 card for it
[3:07] <Hammered|> I don't mean to sound stupid, but could it be part of the locale settings?
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[3:09] <NedScott> hmm, using old IDE connectors is a PITA. I should order some female pinheaders and be done with it
[3:10] <Hammered|> Yeah I want to do that too.
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[3:12] <SkaBob> Hammered|: possibly? I was going to consider moving away from UTF-8 if the retropie guy's suggestion of setting the keymap via console-data package didn't work
[3:12] <Hammered|> On my B+ I have the CannaKit GPIO breakout, on the PI 2B I was going to use an IDE cable, but thinking twice about that.
[3:12] <SkaBob> NedScott: live anywhere in the US? I got the accessory bundle for my zero, and I'm never going to use any of the headers...
[3:12] <ironm> NedScott, Do you now in what partition is the /boot/config.txt file? - raspberry_pi2_B_partitions.txt
[3:12] <ironm> http://paste.debian.net/361721/
[3:12] <Chillum> I figure the pi zero, wifi dongle, and UART GPS will draw about 275, at perhaps 60% battery efficiency I could use a 500mAh battery for the 30 minutes flight time. Battery, power converter, zero, wifi, GPS is ~ 160 grams, which is a very reasonable payload
[3:13] <Chillum> flying kismet
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[3:14] <SkaBob> Chillum: how small is your quad that you're using a 500mah battery?
[3:14] <Chillum> the quad has its own battery, this 500 is for the Pi only
[3:14] <Chillum> I don't want to pull power from the vehicle
[3:15] <SkaBob> ah ok
[3:15] <SkaBob> good call
[3:15] <Chillum> I am thinking this is a good GPS, low power and weight and cheapish too: www.ebay.ca/itm/171493874434
[3:15] <Chillum> if I screw up something and short it I don't want my quad falling from the sky hehe
[3:16] <Chillum> 14 grams, under 20ma, and it goes through GPIO so the usb is free for the wifi
[3:16] <Chillum> huh, looks like it has an i2c interface as well as uart
[3:17] <Chillum> never seen that on a GPS
[3:18] <Chillum> I am going to put the zero with the GPS on top, but run a usb cable down to the bottom for the wifi, so the vehicle is not in between the receivers and their targets
[3:19] <Hammered|> SkaBob: Look at "/etc/locale.gen"
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[3:20] <Chillum> the wifi uses 1.84x as much power as the pi zero itself
[3:21] <Hammered|> What is "not" remarked out?
[3:21] <Hammered|> For me = en_US.UTF-8 UTF-8
[3:22] <ironm> NedScott, I got it, thank you. It is the sdd7 partition in may case
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[3:24] <Hammered|> Remark anything you don't want then run locale-gen as root.
[3:24] <Hammered|> Give that a whirl.
[3:25] <Hammered|> I'd reboot too.
[3:26] <Chillum> The wifi uses about 90ma idle, but when I download at high speeds it goes up only to 160ma. When I unplug it it drops to 80ma for a second and then to zero. I wonder if the pi is turning the usb port off to save power. (I am subtracting the 88ma an idle pi zero uses from the total consumption to get these numbers)
[3:27] <Chillum> perhaps the port wastes 80ma just being one or something, it is odd it would continue to consume that much for a second after unplugging the wifi dongle
[3:27] <Chillum> s/one/on/
[3:28] <Chillum> perhaps my multimeter has lag
[3:29] <Hammered|> Chillum: I would suspect the meter. Look at it with a scope.
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[3:29] <Chillum> I am saving for a scope, can't afford one right now
[3:29] <Chillum> soooo on my wishlist
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[3:29] <Hammered|> Worth every penny!!!
[3:29] * beardedbuddha|aw is now known as beardedbuddha
[3:30] <Chillum> ya, but I am paying off credit cards for the tools and parts I already have
[3:30] <Chillum> I _could_ buy a scope right now, but it would be irresponsible
[3:30] <Chillum> I don't want to buy a cheap one that sucks
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[3:31] <Hammered|> I understand everything you are saying...
[3:31] <Chillum> anyone want to trade a scope for lots of gratitude?
[3:31] <Chillum> heaps of it!
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[3:31] <Hammered|> To get the resolution that is sounds you are looking for you will need the scope.
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[3:32] <Hammered|> And beer. lots of it?
[3:32] <Hammered|> :-)
[3:32] <Chillum> I have a keg fridge so yes
[3:33] <Chillum> just no delivery\
[3:33] <SkaBob> Hammered|: /etc/locale.gen shows en_us.UTF-8 UTF-8
[3:33] <Chillum> if I had to use us english instead of uk I would be very annoyed
[3:33] <Hammered|> Hey now.
[3:34] <Chillum> it is grey dammit!
[3:34] <pyroxide> today i learned that if i install pulseaudio, alsa stops working.
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[3:34] <Chillum> they did invent the language after all
[3:34] <SkaBob> Chillum: I always liken us vs uk english to that line in the 5th Element, "I only speak two languages - english and BAD english!"
[3:34] <Chillum> pyroxide: I ahve never gotten both to work at once
[3:34] <Chillum> lol, yes
[3:35] <Chillum> also an unfortunate tendency to measure things in football fields
[3:35] <Chillum> they don't even use a standard football field, it is an "American football field"
[3:35] <pyroxide> I just wanted to be able to have the option of using bluetooth without having to install/uninstall every time
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[3:37] <SkaBob> Chillum: we prefer the term "handegg"
[3:37] <Chillum> that is a good name
[3:37] <SkaBob> and even our proper football fields are smaller than a full sized pitch
[3:37] <Chillum> "American football is a game played by men with strangely shaped balls"
[3:38] <SkaBob> it's like rugby, for men who are afraid of getting broken
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[3:38] <myself> gridiron is the other term for american football, and americans might even recognize it because the turf is still called that sometimes
[3:38] <Chillum> yes, like rugby but with lots of armour and stopping every 30 seconds
[3:38] <myself> "out on the gridiron" and such
[3:38] <pyroxide> sport/10
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[3:39] <SkaBob> Chillum: have you seen how fat our defensive players are? Any more than that, and they might die ont he field!
[3:39] <PiGuy> Hello
[3:39] <Chillum> SkaBob: they should consider building walls
[3:39] <SkaBob> Chillum: we're still working on that. Eventually we'll figure out how to keep the scary foreigners out!
[3:39] <Hammered|> Whew, you guys are ruthless! :-)
[3:40] <SkaBob> lol
[3:40] <SkaBob> It's all in good fun, from me. I just couldn't care less about football. I'm from Detroit, so it's Hockey or nothing
[3:40] <Chillum> switch to metric and I will let up!
[3:40] <SkaBob> the Lions are enough reason to never watch an NFL game
[3:41] <Chillum> I was talking to my friend about how Canadians should measure things in hockey rinks
[3:41] <ozzzy> there's no reason to watch an NFL game
[3:41] <Hammered|> Metric suck so bad!
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[3:41] <Chillum> hockey sticks and pucks would fill in the smaller distances
[3:41] <pyroxide> there's no reason to watch any sport
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[3:41] <Chillum> the hockey stick is measured along its curve of course
[3:41] <ozzzy> which depends on the lie
[3:41] <PiGuy> If I have a 3000maH 5v lith-poly battery and my Pi took 300maH's at 5v would I be able to get 10 hours of usage?
[3:42] <PiGuy> If not how can I calculate how long?
[3:42] <Hammered|> https://soundcloud.com/rrfellis/bob-doug-mckenzie-metric
[3:43] <ozzzy> PiGuy, test it
[3:43] <SkaBob> PiGuy: even if you managed that constant a draw, 8hours would probably be a safer bet.
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[3:44] <PiGuy> ozzzy: So in theroy I would have 10 hours of 5volts?
[3:44] <pyroxide> i come from the water
[3:44] <PiGuy> supply to the Pi?
[3:44] <ozzzy> PiGuy, no
[3:44] <PiGuy> SkaBob: That sounds good :)
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[3:44] <Hammered|> It's a simple fraction.
[3:44] <Hammered|> Jeez.
[3:44] <SkaBob> PiGuy: you'd do better to estimate based on your peak usage, rather than hoping for an average
[3:45] <PiGuy> ozzzy: Oh.What happens? Would I have enough voltage to run the Pi?
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[3:45] <ozzzy> PiGuy, the battery life probably isn't linear... so why not just test it
[3:45] <SkaBob> yeah it's not linear
[3:45] <SkaBob> the lower the juice in the pack, the faster it discharges at the same load - though even that isn't a linear amount
[3:45] <ozzzy> and don't bypass the regulator
[3:46] <Hammered|> Still the simple calc will give a estimate.
[3:46] <PiGuy> ozzzy: I don't have the battery, I am trying to choose the one I would like to puchase
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[3:46] <PiGuy> *purchase
[3:46] <SkaBob> Hammered|: it'll get close. He'll probably do over 9hrs at his estimated rate, but as an RC pilot I always err on the side of caution :)
[3:47] <Chillum> I am going to run my pi zero on my 10,500mah battery bank piping `uptime` into a file until it dies to see how long it will run with nothing attached. Then I will repeat with connected wifi
[3:47] <ozzzy> PiGuy, don't forget to factor temperature in
[3:47] <Chillum> my prediction is ~24 hours
[3:47] <PiGuy> So when I see 10amps at 5volts is that saying that I will get 10 hours at 5 volts for a device that takes 1 amp assuming that there is 100% efficiency?
[3:47] <Chillum> based on how long my pi 2 lasts on the same pack
[3:47] <Chillum> ~6 hours
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[3:47] <PiGuy> Chillum: Do you have a 3.7amp 5v battery?
[3:47] * ozzzy only uses 12V automotive/marine SLA
[3:47] <Hammered|> Oh, I understand. but you have to start somewhere, then experiment to find the real answer...Thn you find out your experiments have degraded the battery...
[3:47] <PiGuy> Chillum: I meant 5amps 3.7a
[3:48] <PiGuy> *5amps 3.7v
[3:48] <Chillum> ...
[3:48] <Chillum> ah
[3:48] <Chillum> why would I want 5 amps 3.7v?
[3:48] <pyroxide> that's how power banks are
[3:48] <Chillum> ohh, it is a sealed device
[3:49] <pyroxide> they lower voltage to advertize a higher mAh
[3:49] <Chillum> flatter than a 19650
[3:49] <Chillum> 18650
[3:49] <PiGuy> Chillum: I don't know, I was wondering what battey you are saying you use?
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[3:49] <Chillum> what I have is 5v, can output up to 2a at any time, and claims a 10,500mah lifetime which based on my measurements gives about 65% that
[3:49] <Chillum> no name brand but well made
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[3:50] <Chillum> 3.7 is 75% 5, so ya they could be giving marketing language amps based on the internal 3.7V battery
[3:51] <Chillum> I never trust claims of battery makers, they are the worst. Only by measuring can you really kno0w
[3:51] <PiGuy> Hey guys does the voltage stay the same for the whole usage of a battery or does it drop? I am asking because I want to make sure I can power my Pi off a 3700maH 5v lith-poly battery with the required 5v for the Pi present.
[3:51] <Chillum> depends on if it has a regulator in between the battery and you
[3:51] <Chillum> direct battery access will change voltage
[3:52] <brianx> so they'd call my battery 6500mAh. hehe. good thing it's 16v.
[3:52] <PiGuy> So if you have a 10amp 5v battery that has been used for 1hour with a draw on it of 1amp would you get 9amps 5v or 9amps like 4.8v after one amp hour?
[3:52] <Chillum> they should just say in watt hours
[3:52] <Chillum> remove the ambiguity they are taking advantage of
[3:52] <brianx> Chillum: they should.
[3:52] <Chillum> at least they did not redefine what an amp is like hard drive makers did to mega/giga/terra bytes
[3:53] <Chillum> so if I take the advertised mah, and assume it is for the 3.7v battery inside, then assume loss on the converter I will have a reasonable guess at the real power?
[3:54] <pyroxide> zerolemon makes a 30k mAh powerbank
[3:54] <Chillum> legit? because anything over 10ah I have seen is being debunked by reviewers
[3:55] <Chillum> I would like a week on a charge, but it is about 10ah a day for a pi zero with internet, 70ah is a lot
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[3:55] <Chillum> 3 days is not bad
[3:56] <pyroxide> i saw it on some flash sale website for around $30
[3:56] <pyroxide> could have been neweggflash or tigerdirect
[3:57] <Chillum> ahh well they tend to stick to non-fake products
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[3:58] <Tenkawa> hi all
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[3:59] <pyroxide> i have this one http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA7BP35M4536
[4:00] <pyroxide> here's the one i was talking about http://www.amazon.com/External-ZeroLemon-ToughJuice-30000mAh-Protection/dp/B00XGR8WYA
[4:01] <Hammered|> That sounds electrically outrageous, for it's size.
[4:02] <Hammered|> There's no way you could pull 10 A off that thing, and it says it can't
[4:03] <Hammered|> enabling charge speeds of up to 3 amps overall or 3 amps per port
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[4:04] <Hammered|> Notice that word "Overall"
[4:04] <pyroxide> lol
[4:04] <pyroxide> so how does it work?
[4:05] <pyroxide> mirrors? or just plain magic?
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[4:06] <Hammered|> You have to read closely....
[4:06] <Hammered|> 10000 mAh of capacity charges an iPhones 4+ times
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[4:07] <Hammered|> They are adding charge + wait
[4:07] <Hammered|> X 4
[4:08] <Hammered|> It's all in the statistics and how you present them.
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[4:09] <pyroxide> but would you buy one for $30 ?
[4:09] <Hammered|> At best it's a misnomer, at worst false advertising.
[4:10] <Hammered|> Probably not.
[4:10] <B0g4r7> So when they talk about aH, do you reckon they're measuring them amps on the USB (5V) side, or on the battery (~3.7V) side?
[4:10] <Hammered|> I'd look for something with more traditional ratings.
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[4:10] <pyroxide> they measure n battery side
[4:12] <Tenkawa> so anyone created anymore new neat things with the pi zero lately?
[4:13] <stanreg> Has anyone seen a rPi+usb hub+various flash drives as a NAS w/ RAID1?
[4:13] <Tenkawa> interesting thought
[4:14] <Tenkawa> would wonder about the bus speed handling though
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[4:14] <stanreg> I've seen this guy do it on MacOS: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dougISKs2vQ
[4:14] <stanreg> Yeah, will be limited to USB 2.0 speeds.
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[4:14] <Hammered|> Tenkawa: Pfft, still building with the B+!
[4:15] <Tenkawa> Hammered|: ahh.. yeah I'm building up some pi2's and a pi zero
[4:16] <Tenkawa> pi2s mostly compilers for all of my other arm boxes
[4:16] <Hammered|> Just got my pi2
[4:16] <B0g4r7> I'm doing that now with an Atom system and hard drives in USB enclosures. It works OK, but yeah, USB 2.0.
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[4:16] <Tenkawa> almost everythingI have is arm or mips
[4:17] <Hammered|> My interest is in the GPIO, so the platform is not so important.
[4:17] <Tenkawa> ah
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[4:18] <Tenkawa> gpio is going to be "interesting" on the zero.. and I want to put a wifi adapter on it to free up my usb port so I'm going to need to mess with the gpio at some point
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[4:18] <Tenkawa> been a long long time since I did any soldering
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[4:19] <Hammered|> Pfft
[4:19] <pyroxide> please don't solder directly to the gpio
[4:19] <Hammered|> Easy
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[4:19] <pyroxide> that is a form of gore.
[4:20] <Tenkawa> how do you attach to the header on the zero then if you via solder?
[4:20] <pyroxide> oh...zero
[4:20] <Tenkawa> er if not
[4:20] <Tenkawa> pyroxide: yeah
[4:21] <Hammered|> Current project: Current transformer -> interface circuit -> mpc3008 A/D converter -> MySQL DB -> Webpage
[4:21] <Tenkawa> Hammered|: why not use sqlite?
[4:22] <Hammered|> I started with sqlite, and moved to MySQL.
[4:22] <Tenkawa> ah
[4:22] <brianx> why such a big sql platform?
[4:23] <Hammered|> I have it.
[4:23] <Tenkawa> brianx: exactly
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[4:23] <brianx> it's running for something else?
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[4:23] <brianx> already
[4:24] <Hammered|> Yes.
[4:24] <Tenkawa> sqlite is awesome for these devices
[4:24] <PiGuy> Here is my battery: http://www.miniinthebox.com/3970125p-3-7v-5000mah-li-polymer-battery_p2801398.html?currency=USD&litb_from=paid_adwords_shopping&litb_from=&adword_mt=&adword_ct=73208704722&adword_kw=&adword_pos=1o2&adword_pl=&adword_net=g&adword_tar=&adw_src_id=4196617767_313071522_22450980162_aud-79897721551:pla-157327122762&gclid=Cj0KEQiAtMSzBRDs7fvDosLZmpoBEiQADzG1vAroOyX6S1cwcKW6YMzCBXEWAmpwxx73db67uW_apBoaAhpl8P8HAQ
[4:24] <PiGuy> It has no datasheet. How can I calculate the voltages at the different stages? Can I use time constants or is that just for capacitors?
[4:24] <brianx> that explains it.
[4:24] <pyroxide> that link
[4:24] <pyroxide> lol
[4:24] <Hammered|> Oh I'm not storing on the Pi, that would be crazy.
[4:24] <PiGuy> Please use pink
[4:24] <PiGuy> *ping
[4:24] <Tenkawa> Hammered|: why is that crazy?
[4:25] <Hammered|> Running MySQL on the Pi, on a SD card.
[4:25] <Hammered|> REally why would that be crazy?
[4:25] <brianx> that was my thought. not sd friendly.
[4:26] <Tenkawa> well if it were predominately reads it wouldnt be too bad
[4:26] <Tenkawa> load up data into memory and use ram
[4:26] <Tenkawa> and cache the data
[4:26] <Tenkawa> however yeah if there are a lot of writes...
[4:27] <Hammered|> If you followed what I said...I'm using the Pi, to capture electrical data and chuck it into a database.
[4:27] <Hammered|> Right now I'm in development stages, and likley putting in more data than I really need.
[4:28] <Tenkawa> ahh
[4:28] <pyroxide> use NoSQL
[4:28] <Hammered|> I will revisit the captured data, make some adjustments, and redefine my DB schema, for long term storage.
[4:28] <pyroxide> mongodb
[4:29] <Tenkawa> pyroxide: yeah those are good too
[4:29] <Hammered|> pyroxide: I'm fine with MySQL or whatever it's called now.
[4:30] <Chillum> mysql on a pi is reasonable if configure it to write less often. a usb stick would do a bit better. A network attached proper drive would last much longer though
[4:30] <pyroxide> o gad it exists in a domain now. http://www.mongodb-is-web-scale.com/
[4:30] <Tenkawa> time to wrap it for the night... cheers all
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[4:31] <Hammered|> Chillum: I don't disagree, but not what I'm using it for.
[4:31] <Hammered|> At the moment.
[4:32] <Hammered|> I'm doing "a lot of writes"
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[4:34] <Chillum> I tried to run the bitcoin full client on a pi, 5 times out of 5 I fried the sd card
[4:34] <Chillum> and when I tried usb I got data corruption every 30-40gb
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[4:35] <Hammered|> If you feel the need...Try iSCSI
[4:35] <myself> hmm, can you run some sort of reliable file storage layer atop the unreliable medium?
[4:35] <Hammered|> Vmware
[4:37] <Hammered|> I've set up VMware that runs off SD card that connects to a fiber channel SAN big scale.
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[4:37] <B0g4r7> I've wondered what iSCSI would "feel" like when used as a medium to store the running OS and everything. I'd think it would feel sluggish because you'd have a lot more latency involved vs using local storage.
[4:37] <Hammered|> And actually I do this at home.
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[4:38] <Hammered|> Ewwww
[4:38] <myself> how much more, though? It's only a few nanoseconds across the room, similar to local ras/cas setup times and stuff, anything that would matter would come from the higher layers, and that depends on your drivers mostly
[4:38] <Hammered|> B0g4r7: It boots just fine and works good.
[4:39] <pyroxide> shards are the secret ingredient in the web scale sauce. they just work
[4:39] <B0g4r7> Does it feel as fast as a spinning disk? As fast as an SSD?
[4:39] <myself> there are reasons there are fancy i/o cards for high-performance iscsi, but I can't imagine it mattering that much in desktop usage
[4:39] <myself> I remember using a network-mounted disk which was heavily RAM-cached by the server 1km away, and it absolutely flew compared to the local drive (which was ESDI at the time, if that dates me a bit)
[4:40] <myself> so yeah, depending on the server's caching strategy and backing store, network storage can be way faster than local
[4:40] <Hammered|> It's not as fast as SSD, it is 1Gbps, which is faster that some older hard drives.
[4:40] <myself> for suitably crappy values of local
[4:41] <B0g4r7> I guess ethernet can have latency well below 1ms. That's not bad.
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[4:42] <Hammered|> I was PXE booting machines into iSCSI...no internal storage.
[4:43] <B0g4r7> I'd like to get something like that set up.
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[4:43] <B0g4r7> I'm liking the idea of centralized storage. Just one RAID to manage, tucked away in a closet somewhere.
[4:44] <Hammered|> When you do that it becomes "center stage"
[4:45] <Hammered|> You have to pay attention to it.
[4:45] <Hammered|> I check on mine at least once a week.
[4:46] <Hammered|> I even called it "Helios"
[4:47] <B0g4r7> Ideally I'd have cron jobs running checking SMART data and mdstat and reporting anything needing looking at.
[4:47] <Hammered|> I use QNAP - and fully support that. It told me SMART said a drive was going to fail. I replaced it all is good.
[4:47] <jeffrey_f> pxe server setup script - https://github.com/xor-function/plop-pxe-server
[4:47] <myself> Well, you have to pay attention to all your storage, making it fewer different things (and then only adding to the thing-count when you add backup destinations) seems sensible
[4:48] <jeffrey_f> recommend attempting this first on a virtual machine/virtualbox just to work out bugs
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[4:49] <brianx> i remember doing database over 16Mb token ring to netware for the same reasons. took a 25 hour process down to 5 minutes.
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[4:51] <Hammered|> brianx: I'm with you man...I'm ex-Netware too!
[4:51] <Hammered|> Token ring ! :-)
[4:51] <myself> yup, my story was also a netware environment over 16Mb token ring :) Totally flew compared to local storage. Netware was bare-metal and absolutely flew.
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[4:53] <brianx> token ring was da bomb.
[4:53] <myself> back when ethernet was hubbed, I'd agree. Switched ethernet kinda left it in the dust.
[4:54] <Hammered|> And then VLANS and layer3 switches.
[4:54] <Hammered|> and such.
[4:54] <Hammered|> lol
[4:54] <Hammered|> Oh yeah and 1 Gbps
[4:54] <jeffrey_f> Ring was great until a user uplugged your floor. Remembering true RING loop
[4:54] <brianx> switched can still bog down at the agregate links if it's not well designed and set up.
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[4:55] <myself> Every college I knew had gone ethernet in the dorms for that reason. Ring just didn't make sense in an uncontrolled architecture.
[4:55] <Hammered|> That's why there are Network Engineers! :-)
[4:55] <brianx> the token ring we used auto switched. it would also reveres if there was a mau issue.
[4:56] <pyroxide> token ring your pis
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[4:56] <myself> you should be able to do something with all tohse onboard SPI controllers.. :D
[4:57] <Hammered|> There's only 1 SPI
[4:57] <Hammered|> I'm using that.
[4:57] <brianx> there are 2.
[4:57] <Hammered|> There are 2 chip selects.
[4:57] <Hammered|> Only 1 bus
[4:57] <brianx> yes.
[4:59] <Hammered|> But I've been told that any arbitrary GPIO ports can do SPI, if you "Bit Bang" the code out to them.
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[4:59] <Hammered|> I have not tried to program this.
[5:00] <myself> the B+ has two SPI controllers and three CE pins, two CE's on the first controller, one CE on the second.
[5:02] <Hammered|> Is the second SPI off a different set of GPIO that is not on the main pins? - That you would have to solder new headers to access?
[5:02] <myself> it's on pins 35, 36, 38, and 40.
[5:02] <myself> http://elinux.org/File:Pi-GPIO-header.png
[5:02] <myself> from http://elinux.org/RPi_Low-level_peripherals
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[5:03] <Hammered|> The b+ does not have a 40 pin header.
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[5:04] <myself> https://www.raspberrypi.org/products/model-b-plus/ "The GPIO header has grown to 40 pins, while retaining the same pinout for the first 26 pins as the Model A and B."
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[5:04] <Hammered|> Oops, I have a Pi B
[5:04] <Hammered|> not B+
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[5:05] <Hammered|> Sorry! I apologize.
[5:05] <myself> no worries
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[5:06] <Hammered|> myself: Are you writing code for SPI?
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[5:07] <myself> No, thankfully.
[5:07] <myself> Code is glad that it was written by someone other than me.
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[5:08] <IAmTalkingTo> IAmTalkingTo -> myself
[5:08] * myself tingles... incoming joke!
[5:08] <myself> aah! too late.
[5:08] <IAmTalkingTo> lol :D
[5:08] <Hammered|> That's just sad.
[5:08] <IAmTalkingTo> Hammered|: :D
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[5:09] <brianx> lol
[5:09] <Hammered|> I'm working my though learning C++
[5:10] <Hammered|> Most of which I can already do with something else.
[5:10] <ShapeShifter499> hi again
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[5:11] <Hammered|> Hello
[5:11] <ShapeShifter499> is there any reason why this wouldn't work for the raspberry pi zero? http://www.banggood.com/2_8-Inch-TFT-LCD-Display-Module-Touch-Screen-For-Raspberry-Pi-B-B-p-1023311.html
[5:12] <ShapeShifter499> I need a screen small enough to fit a gameboy color
[5:12] <ShapeShifter499> er I mean gameboy advance
[5:15] * Hammered| got nothing.
[5:16] * Hammered| Alright all - I'm out...have a good night.
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[5:22] <Chillum> it uses SPI
[5:22] <Chillum> the zero has no SPI
[5:22] <Chillum> ohhh wait
[5:22] <Chillum> I was thinking of the other video bus
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[5:23] <Chillum> ignore me I was thinking of DSI port
[5:24] <Chillum> it should work, the zero has the same GPIO ports
[5:24] <Chillum> as long as the CPU and RAM are enough for your purposes
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[5:32] <myself> Is there a conversational shorthand for "I see no reason why a skilled engineer wouldn't be able to make that work, but it's not exactly plug-and-play"?
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[5:38] <Chillum> myself: "it is doable but not easy"
[5:38] <Chillum> "I see no reason why a skilled engineer wouldn't be able to make that work" == doable, "it's not exactly plug-and-play" == "not easy"
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[6:04] <x3l3tric> Hey, I'm having a bit of trouble with my Model B.
[6:05] <x3l3tric> When I shut it down, I accidentally just did shutdown now
[6:05] <x3l3tric> And now it won't boot right. I think it may be in maintenance mode
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[6:06] <Xark> x3l3tric: Shift key held?
[6:07] <x3l3tric> No, it's a headless. It will go to recovery mode if I hook it to a monitor with a keyboard
[6:07] <x3l3tric> If I leave it alone, the raspberry pi logo comes up, then the screen goes to pulsing black
[6:08] <Xark> Hmm. That sounds odd...
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[6:13] <x3l3tric> Yeah. I took the card out to back it up, and now it's doing this.
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[6:13] <PiGuy> Hello
[6:13] <PiGuy> How can I use this http://dsscircuits.com/sale/product/dssc0102 with an arduino to get the remaining charge in a lithium polymer battery?
[6:13] <PiGuy> I want to make a battery indicator like on smart phones and devices
[6:13] <PiGuy> I m using an Arduino Nano, Raspberry Pi, a Lith-Polymer Battery and a MAX17043 Fuel Gauge Chip
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[6:19] <x3l3tric> Any ideas?>
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[6:22] <PiGuy> Any ideas?>
[6:23] <x3l3tric> Sorry, I was having a conversation with someone else before you came in.
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[6:26] <myself> x3l3tric: do you have a spare card around? ideally one that was known-working last time you used it
[6:26] <x3l3tric> I have a brand new one.
[6:26] <x3l3tric> The problem is, the image won't fit on it.
[6:26] <x3l3tric> IT's weird. They're both 32GB, but Win32DiskImager says the new card is too small
[6:27] <CoJaBo> ?
[6:28] <NedScott> just put it in one of those adapters to make it a *larger* SD card :D
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[6:28] <PiGuy> x3l3tric: It's alright man ;) I will wait
[6:28] <CoJaBo> x3l3tric: have a linux machine you can use?
[6:28] <x3l3tric> Ican use a livecd
[6:28] <CoJaBo> Windows tends to be pretty flaky with partitioning SDcards
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[6:30] <x3l3tric> It's worked for me in the past, though. I've had to restore this setup from a backup before, everything went fine
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[7:00] <DSdavidDS> Hi guys. I have been following this guide http://pimylifeup.com/raspberry-pi-nas/ to set up a NAS on my raspberry pi, but I am getting a permission issue on my windows machine when trying to access it
[7:02] <DSdavidDS> is there anyone who has done this befoer?
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[7:53] <DSdavidDS> anyone?
[7:53] <AiGreek> Morning o/
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[7:55] <myself> DSdavidDS: what makes you think that's a pi-specific issue?
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[7:56] <myself> have you googled the exact text of the error message that you get from the windows side, along with words like "linux"?
[7:56] <DSdavidDS> myself: well I am not sure what the issue is, but it involves the pi tutorial I followed :P
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[7:58] <DSdavidDS> Been googling around, but I haven't been able to find the problem so I was wondering if anyone here has the problem before
[7:58] <DSdavidDS> While doing so, I have found that people consider the PI xfer speeds too slow to be used as a NAS :(
[7:59] <myself> yeah, it would've been a contender before gigabit was popular in the home
[7:59] <myself> personally I don't mind slow file access, but there won't be much inertia in the pi's direction for that reason
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[7:59] <myself> I think the pogoplug occupies that niche, lots of screamin'-fast storage i/o and native gigabit
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[8:09] <DSdavidDS> thx for the opinion! o/
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[8:19] <myself> (personally my NAS box is a 5-watt Via chip spinning a couple of SATA greenpower drives and serving it all over 100Mbps, so speed is not exactly a priority here either. Idle power consumption is superb, though.)
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[8:59] <lonefish> Morning
[9:01] <Chillum> night
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[9:02] <lonefish> US? :p
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[9:11] <Chillum> Canada... please
[9:11] <Chillum> We are the head, they are the body... Florida is the wang
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[9:25] <lonefish> Haha, nice comparison
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[9:28] <deshipu> You have pretty little to say for a head...
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[9:35] <Chillum> I am thinking
[9:36] <deshipu> If you are the head, then get your stuff together and stop doing all those stupid things
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[9:37] <niston> raspberry doesnt support ARC on the HDMI, does it?
[9:37] <Macgyver0> A head that does alot of business in the wood
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[9:41] <Chillum> if HDMI can receive remote control signals from my TV via CEC then why can't it for example share a network connection with my tv?
[9:41] <Chillum> it is bidirectional, why not use it for more features
[9:42] <deshipu> it could, but they are holding it for a "new feature" in a couple of years, I suppose
[9:42] <deshipu> the tv manufacturers, I mean
[9:42] <deshipu> they need to have some way to make you buy a new tv
[9:43] <Chillum> not me, I just spent... enough, on a 4K 55" beauty
[9:43] <Chillum> not paying a penny on another tv for at least 5 years
[9:43] <deshipu> say that again in two years
[9:43] <Macgyver0> lol cause its a goddamn TV, doesn't need network
[9:43] <Chillum> ohh it needs network
[9:43] <Chillum> all I see is through the network
[9:43] <Chillum> no cable nonsense
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[9:44] <Chillum> I have my AC power plug, and a CAT6 cable going into my tv, nothing else needed
[9:44] <Macgyver0> wow, 4k with a dorito arm cpu and zero content to feed it.. plus fact you have to stand back 10ft+ for it to be in field of view
[9:44] <Chillum> it is 8 core, as powerful as my cell phone
[9:44] <Chillum> same resolution
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[9:44] <Macgyver0> seems goofy to me, nice.. but.. yeah meghhh wait few years pick em up with bad caps in psu on the curb for few
[9:45] <Macgyver0> free
[9:45] <Chillum> lol
[9:45] <Chillum> you a tv hater
[9:45] <Chillum> zero content? I got the internet at my disposal
[9:45] <Chillum> I have 5tb of archived shows and whatever I am downloading
[9:45] <buZz> Chillum: hdmi has ethernet support since 1.1 iirc
[9:45] <Chillum> no shortage of content
[9:45] <buZz> Chillum: but boredcom didnt see it required to include it
[9:46] <Chillum> brilliant!
[9:47] <Chillum> my couch is about 7 of your American "feet" from the TV, or aboot 2.1 meters. It looks just fine
[9:47] <buZz> at 640x480?
[9:47] <Chillum> big enough that I have to move my eyes, but not so big that I need to move my head
[9:47] <Macgyver0> 4k content? I'm not talking about when you hook it to your pc and watch the mouse cursor move to start bar with illegable text
[9:47] <buZz> Chillum: usefull; http://isthisretina.com/
[9:47] <buZz> :P
[9:48] <Chillum> 3840x2160
[9:48] <buZz> at 14" ?
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[9:48] <buZz> seems that resolution is retina on a 100" screen at 2M distance
[9:48] <buZz> :)
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[9:49] <Chillum> well it must be someone with better retinas than me because I could not spot a pixel from one meter to save my life
[9:49] <Chillum> even with my glasses which bring me to 20/20
[9:50] <Chillum> ohh on a larger screen...
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[9:50] <Chillum> 4k is about 1/8th the resolution of motion picture film grain size... not there yet be getting close
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[9:56] <Chillum> not much out there in 4k, but I just rewatched breaking bad in 4k and it was amazing
[9:56] <Chillum> every little beard hair
[9:57] <Macgyver0> lol stay away from pr0n
[9:57] <Chillum> ohh ya
[9:58] <Chillum> when I went from CRT to LED I had to delete a bunch
[9:58] <Chillum> detail is the enemy!
[9:58] <pigrit> word
[9:58] <Armand> Isn't "retina" just a poor marketing term for 'three years out of date' ?
[9:58] <Macgyver0> I couldnt justify the waste of bandwidth... I watch jewtoob in 360p usually
[9:59] <pyroxide> 1440p master race
[9:59] <Chillum> if the standard for retina is 300dpi I am not impressed. When printing photos you want at least double that, an ideal display would be at least that good
[9:59] <buZz> Armand: its just marketing yes, its about the distance your away from a screen
[9:59] <buZz> Armand: so not about the screen itself or anything
[10:00] <pyroxide> i sit about 4 feet away from my desktop monitor
[10:00] <Armand> 1440 x 2560, 5.96 inches.. about.. 18" away. :P
[10:00] <pyroxide> maybe 3
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[10:00] <buZz> http://isthisretina.com/ <- explains
[10:00] <pyroxide> also vision isn't as good as it used to be
[10:00] <Armand> Dayum.. I'm only 2' away from my monitors. :P
[10:01] <pyroxide> like 1.5 from this monitor, though
[10:01] <pyroxide> can't wait till i get my projector
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[10:01] <buZz> i'm not lifting my leg to measure distances in a bodypart
[10:01] <Sepho> Hi guys!
[10:01] <buZz> i dont live in Myanmar
[10:02] <Armand> I would like one, when we move into the new apartment.. but that can wait.
[10:02] <buZz> i'm about 80cm away
[10:02] <Chillum> "how good is this monitor?" - "How far are you going to sit from it??"
[10:02] <buZz> Chillum: thats the apple way, yes
[10:02] <Armand> Yeah, sorry.. real men don't do Euro-metrics. :P
[10:02] <buZz> myanmar men are real?
[10:02] <buZz> i wasnt aware
[10:02] <Chillum> Algiers?
[10:02] <Sepho> I've a RPi Model B, and I was wondering about to buy an external usb HDD drive to use it as NAS. I like this one: http://goo.gl/ZlR3VZ
[10:02] <Armand> lol
[10:02] <buZz> they use metric Chillum
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[10:03] <Chillum> good for them
[10:03] <buZz> the whole world does
[10:03] <Sepho> but I read some pepople had problems to powered it up. I'm using a 2A charger
[10:03] <Armand> Negative
[10:03] <buZz> besides 3 nations with oppressive gov
[10:03] <Chillum> the americans still measure distance in football fields
[10:03] <Armand> lol
[10:03] <buZz> Chillum: thats one of the 3, yes
[10:03] <Chillum> but not normal football fields, "American football" fields
[10:03] <Sepho> Is it enought to power up an external HDD drive? With a RPi1 B model?
[10:04] <Armand> American "Football"... Rugby for wimps.
[10:04] <Chillum> you will probably need a powered hub for the HD
[10:04] <buZz> Sepho: maybe .. most '2A usb chargers' dont actually supply 2A
[10:04] <Armand> Padding.. pfft
[10:04] <Chillum> and why do they stop every 30 seconds and rest?
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[10:04] <Chillum> and they carry the ball in their hands, what is up with that?
[10:05] <Chillum> such a charming culture
[10:05] <buZz> its just rugby
[10:05] <pyroxide> Chillum, you need to calm down. you're a broken record
[10:05] <buZz> with weird modifications
[10:05] <buZz> Chillum: there is this bad anti-us joke i know
[10:05] <buZz> wanna hear?
[10:05] <Chillum> meh
[10:05] <Armand> "anti-US" ?? Donald Trump ?
[10:05] <buZz> Armand: worse :P
[10:05] <Chillum> !
[10:06] <buZz> okok, here goes
[10:06] <Armand> Certainly qualifies as a "bad joke" ;)
[10:06] <buZz> > whats the difference between US and Yoghurt
[10:06] <Macgyver0> "The Americans" have longer dicks too because it isn't -20F and overcast gloom 3cyl diesel crackerbox 25ppl per metre^2
[10:06] <buZz> < when you leave yoghurt alone for 200 yrs, it develops a culture
[10:06] <Armand> and taste..
[10:07] <buZz> nice, that made the channel silent ^_^
[10:08] <buZz> hehe
[10:08] <pyroxide> i bought a 1280x800 projector on amazon with Christmas money for tablet/rpi. completely broke down and decided that i can't use my Pi2 to accept game streams without buying an Nvidia card
[10:08] <Chillum> and is measured by the ounce
[10:08] <pyroxide> so streaming to tablet is the way to go.
[10:08] <buZz> pyroxide: whats a 'game stream' ?
[10:09] <buZz> and what would you do with a nvidia gpu on a raspberry
[10:09] <pyroxide> streaming games from my desktop to X
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[10:09] <buZz> doesnt that just require a cpu fast enough to encode on pc, and hw decode support on pi
[10:09] <buZz> https://www.raspberrypi.org/blog/stream-pc-games-to-your-tv/ ?
[10:10] <buZz> ah
[10:10] <buZz> > Make sure that your gaming PC has an NVIDIA GTX 600+ graphics card and GeForce Experience installed.
[10:10] <pyroxide> works flawlessly in 720p for rpi
[10:10] <buZz> its a feature of the driver
[10:11] <pyroxide> also there is software called Splashtop that will let you stream your desktop as well as games.
[10:12] <Chillum> neat
[10:12] <Armand> "GeForce Experience".... Windows Only.
[10:12] <Armand> FAIL!
[10:12] <buZz> i dont game at all
[10:12] <pyroxide> but...can't get Splashtop for ARM
[10:13] <pyroxide> Why would you game on anything else?
[10:13] <Chillum> windows is a toy of an operating system, and as such it seems to be the best choice for a gamer
[10:13] <pyroxide> it's not like Linux will be supporting DirectX 12 any time soon?
[10:14] <Chillum> linux is not great at gaming, but sure nice for getting things done
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[10:15] <pyroxide> if you know how to do them that is
[10:15] <Chillum> tru dat
[10:15] <pyroxide> i still don't kn ow how to pipe
[10:15] <buZz> pyroxide: actually, directx is supported on linux
[10:15] <buZz> and bsd
[10:15] <pyroxide> not 12
[10:15] <Chillum> piping is easy, you just stick the output of something into the input of something else
[10:15] <buZz> no clue, @ 12
[10:15] <buZz> jun 2015, directx 11
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[10:16] <Chillum> it will support 12 when 14 comes out
[10:16] <buZz> Vulkan? wtf kinda name is that
[10:16] <BCMM> pyroxide: command1 | command2 - sends the output of command1 as input for command2
[10:16] <Chillum> all my favourite games run on dosbox
[10:16] <Armand> Linux is great for gaming, if it's done right
[10:16] <pyroxide> o bouy Chillum is a true gamer here
[10:16] <pyroxide> edgy
[10:16] <Chillum> moo2 for the win!
[10:17] <Chillum> ohh and dont' forget nethack!
[10:17] <Armand> Also, DX = meh.
[10:17] <buZz> my fav game is just staring at https://bitcoinwisdom.com/markets/bitstamp/btcusd
[10:17] <Chillum> xcom, the original, that was great
[10:17] <buZz> which works on all OS
[10:17] <Chillum> nah, IS great
[10:17] <pyroxide> Vulkan shows promise...
[10:17] <Armand> Didn't Nero blow it up ?
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[10:17] <Chillum> buZz: I like it when it goes up
[10:18] <buZz> Chillum: you had fun this morning then ;)
[10:18] <buZz> i made 50 eu just by waking up
[10:18] <buZz> :P
[10:18] <Chillum> I trade bitcoin for paypal for fleaBAY!
[10:18] <buZz> but i make even more when it drops fast
[10:18] <Chillum> and get my parts and tools
[10:18] <Chillum> get ready then
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[10:19] <Chillum> it tends to drop fast after rising
[10:19] <buZz> Chillum: easy route btc->paypal is https://www.coinizy.com/
[10:19] <Chillum> I got connection over at #bitcoin-otc
[10:19] <buZz> Chillum: yeah , if it drops really fast, it will bounce back up a bit
[10:19] <Chillum> web of trust
[10:19] <buZz> thats when i make most
[10:21] <Peetz0r> hey! is there a cheap way to get >= 8 channels of PWM near the raspberry pi? I find https://www.adafruit.com/products/815 a bit expensive. any alternatives?
[10:21] <buZz> Peetz0r: there are 16 channel chips like that
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[10:22] <buZz> oh, that is one
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[10:22] <buZz> :P lol
[10:22] <pyroxide> apparently my cryptsy account is locked
[10:22] <buZz> no
[10:22] <buZz> cryptsy went mtgox
[10:22] <pyroxide> are you srs?
[10:22] <Peetz0r> I probably should browse aliexpress but I wanna be sure that I am searching for the right things
[10:23] <buZz> hope you were wise and didnt leave coins there
[10:23] <buZz> pyroxide: yeah
[10:23] <pyroxide> wow
[10:23] <buZz> although unconfirmed
[10:23] <buZz> it totally looks that way
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[10:23] <pyroxide> possible that i actually have them in my wallet
[10:23] <buZz> Peetz0r: http://www.ebay.nl/itm/CJMCU-PCA9685-16-Channel-PWM-Servo-Control-Module-12-Bit-Fm-I2C-/141858213643?hash=item2107688f0b:g:2~EAAOSwSHZWeDSM
[10:24] <Peetz0r> buZz: adafruit ripoff? even has 'adafruit' on the pcb :p
[10:24] <buZz> Peetz0r: or http://www.ebay.nl/itm/I2C-or-Serial-LCD-IC-with-PWM-for-Back-Light-and-PCB-kit-option-RPi-Arduino-/111180880472?var=&hash=item19e2e59a58:m:mX7axeCYBmH54w_AQRS4bew
[10:24] <buZz> Peetz0r: its not a ripoff, adafruit hw is OSHW
[10:24] <Peetz0r> I found the same thing even cheaper: http://www.aliexpress.com/item/Free-Shipping-16-Channel-12-bit-PWM-Servo-Driver-I2C-interface-PCA9685-for-or-Raspberry-pi/32542856904.html :D
[10:24] <Peetz0r> buZz: well, if you inclode names and trademarks, then it's still a ripoff
[10:24] <buZz> oh nmind that second one
[10:24] <Peetz0r> include*
[10:24] <buZz> Peetz0r: how so?
[10:25] <buZz> 'here, you are allowed to use these files' does not say you have to remove logos
[10:25] <Peetz0r> usually OSHW/FOSS licenses are longer than just 'here, you are allowed to use these files'
[10:26] <Peetz0r> for example, see https://www.arduino.cc/en/Main/FAQ about names and logo's
[10:26] <buZz> yeah but they are anal
[10:26] <Peetz0r> arduino is not the only one. firefox is another example
[10:26] <buZz> To facilitate this, we release all of the original design files (Eagle CAD) for the Arduino hardware. These files are licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution Share-Alike license, which allows for both personal and commercial derivative works, as long as they credit Arduino and release their designs under the same license.
[10:26] <buZz> so, without mods, you dont have to supply sourcefiles
[10:27] <Peetz0r> you may make a browser based on firefox, but you *must* change the name and icons
[10:27] <buZz> yet, are STILL allowed to sell a product
[10:27] <Peetz0r> do those eagle files contain their original logo as well? because if they do, they contradict themselves :p
[10:27] <Peetz0r> anyway, I'll jyst buy the ripoff anyway :D
[10:28] <buZz> wise ;)
[10:28] <buZz> oh fyi Peetz0r
[10:28] <buZz> you could also sample that chip for probably-free
[10:28] <buZz> the PCA9685
[10:28] <Peetz0r> yeah, but having the PCB with it is nice
[10:28] <Peetz0r> and I prefer not to do SMD soldering. last time I tried I burned stuff :p
[10:29] <Peetz0r> there might be DIP variants of the thing, that would work for me
[10:29] <buZz> ah nmind, seems nxp.com changed its mind about samples
[10:29] <buZz> and no dip version
[10:29] <buZz> maybe for the 8 channel one ..
[10:30] <Peetz0r> maybe a TI counterpart
[10:30] <Peetz0r> TI seems to be good for sampling
[10:30] <buZz> yeah TI is run by robot
[10:30] <buZz> they dont care
[10:30] <buZz> :)
[10:30] <Peetz0r> but I'll just getthe thing from good old ali :D
[10:30] <BurtyB> Peetz0r, I wouldn't worry about the logo on the eagle files as the schematics aren't even complete
[10:30] <buZz> BurtyB: are you calling ladyada a slacker
[10:30] <buZz> !?!?
[10:30] <buZz> :P
[10:30] <BurtyB> buZz, err ladyada is arduino?
[10:31] <buZz> the argument was about a adafruit board
[10:31] * BurtyB thinks you need a longer memory
[10:32] * buZz stretches a DDR3 module
[10:32] <Peetz0r> it was about an adafruit board, bit it went to go about names and logos and trademarkt in opensource projects in general, with arduino and firefox as examples
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[10:32] <Peetz0r> you even wuoted the arduino faq about eagle files yourself :p
[10:32] <buZz> ;)
[10:32] <Peetz0r> quoted*
[10:33] <BurtyB> and the logo and eagle comment was about arduino... and my reply talks about both arduino and eagle... so shocker that was what I was talking about
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[10:33] <buZz> well dont worry BurtyB
[10:37] <Peetz0r> so now only figure out how much power will be dissipated in my mosfets and whatkind of heatsinking I would need (if any)
[10:38] <Peetz0r> drain voltage is 12V, current (up to) 2.5A, gate is 3.3V, mosfet is IRLZ34N.
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[10:54] <pyroxide> yep my coins are gone
[10:54] <pyroxide> only had about 100$ but still
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[11:06] <pyroxide> what kind of overclocks have you gyys achieved with a Pi2?
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[11:08] <Xark> pyroxide: Stock is fine for me on RPi2. It is not so desperate for speed as RPi1. :)
[11:09] <pyroxide> xark do you use a web browser on it?
[11:10] <Xark> pyroxide: A bit. I was using Ice Weasel or Epiphany.
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[11:10] <Xark> It was a tad sluggish on some heavy pages, but was generally pretty usable.
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[11:14] <pyroxide> thinking the html5 is a bit too much for my Pi2
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[11:14] <buZz> pyroxide: even at stock i got kernel panics at 100% load without heatsink
[11:14] <buZz> so not going for any overclock
[11:14] <buZz> html5 uses less cpu than flash for similar tasks
[11:14] <buZz> but chromium is a lot faster at it
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[11:15] <pyroxide> going to make an image backup before i go nuts and try out every browser
[11:16] <buZz> ;)
[11:16] <Xark> pyroxide: Forget it for video (just cut URL and use you tube downloader). :)
[11:16] <pyroxide> wasn't able to view a flv earlier
[11:16] <pyroxide> vlc only showed the first frames
[11:16] <buZz> youtube-dl is almost the best software that exists
[11:16] <Xark> You Tube downloader will save mp4s.
[11:17] <pyroxide> ah
[11:17] <buZz> yes
[11:17] <buZz> nobody does flv anymore
[11:17] <buZz> flash died
[11:17] <buZz> got rekked
[11:17] <pyroxide> 360 no scoped
[11:17] <Xark> Then you use (typically) omxplayer.
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[11:19] <pyroxide> sudo pacman -S youtube-dl
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[11:20] <pyroxide> ok it didn't create a men entry
[11:20] <Xark> Wakka wakka wakka
[11:20] <pyroxide> menu
[11:20] <Xark> pyroxide: Command line (AFAIK).
[11:20] <Xark> pyroxide: Nice because you can run it via ssh. :)
[11:20] <pyroxide> oh lawd
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[11:23] <pyroxide> so ... many ... options
[11:32] <Xark> pyroxide: Generally you can just specify the filename. Then space to pause, forward and back arrow etc.
[11:33] <Xark> There is probably some way to associate *.mp4 with it...
[11:34] <pyroxide> mongodb is web scale
[11:34] <pyroxide> you tun it on and it scaled right up
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[11:35] * BurtyB *hugs* mongodb
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[11:38] <pyroxide> only reason i ask for a different browser is because newegg or amazon just chug when browsing
[11:38] <pyroxide> chugga chugga chugga
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[11:56] <igraltist> hi
[12:01] <zinit> moring. I got a pi zero laying around. still deciding what to use it for. any suggestions?
[12:03] <buZz> plectrum for a guitar
[12:03] <buZz> toothpick
[12:03] <buZz> as knife to spread peanutbutter
[12:07] <igraltist> does need the rpi kernel 4.1 something else to update that he can boot?
[12:08] <buZz> what
[12:10] <igraltist> some new start.elf or bootcode.bin
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[12:16] <zinit> don't think it works much as either.... rahter use it for something useful
[12:16] <zinit> its running raspbian and is powered and online (wifi ftw)
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[12:17] <zinit> thought about a web server or something like that.. used to run wordpress on my other pi (1st gen.)
[12:18] <zinit> that one's now my sql server
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[12:35] <Armand> zinit: I found the Model B (512MB single core) wasn't really good enough to run WP on it's own.. 50+ client connections would bomb it. :/
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[12:36] <Armand> zinit: I'm looking at building a cluster, using ODroid XU4s, with a haproxy front end.. that should be a lot better, for the project cost.
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[12:36] <AndreeeCZ> hello all!
[12:37] <AndreeeCZ> do you think that this will be better than the onboard RPi sound?
[12:37] <AndreeeCZ> https://www.alzashop.com/axagon-ada-10-mini-d1470921.htm
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[12:38] <knob2> Good morning !
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[12:38] <knob2> AndreeeCZ, I would think that yes.
[12:38] <knob2> The onboard rPi sound is not that good.
[12:39] <knob2> If you want the sound for something good (like playing music), get a better board.
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[12:40] <AndreeeCZ> is there somewhere some measurements or comparisons of how bad the onboard RPi audio really is?
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[12:41] <knob2> AndreeeCZ, not that I know of. I speak from experience. I was setting up an rPi to play Pandora for a local store. The audio out of that jack was very bad.
[12:41] <knob2> Very bad.
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[12:41] <AndreeeCZ> i see
[12:41] <AndreeeCZ> okay thanks for the info
[12:42] <knob2> Sure =)
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[12:49] <AndreeeCZ> also, someone here gave me a drawing (with dimensions and all) of the official RPi touchscreen, but i've lost the link
[12:49] <AndreeeCZ> could someone relink me pls?
[12:51] <shauno> I think that was me! and it's https://github.com/raspberrypi/documentation/tree/master/hardware/display
[12:51] <gordonDrogon> couldn't you just google for it?
[12:51] * gordonDrogon googled and got: https://github.com/raspberrypi/documentation/tree/master/hardware/display
[12:52] <shauno> (a very handy repo, but a little odd that it's missing a/a+ despite being up-to-date with pi-zero)
[12:54] <AndreeeCZ> i did google it
[12:54] <AndreeeCZ> what did you google?
[12:54] <AndreeeCZ> thank you shauno
[12:54] <AndreeeCZ> i'll remember from now on that it's on their git
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[13:51] <Michael2016> Hi, my newly compiled buildroot kernel does boot on a Raspberry Pi B+ but not on the Zero. What's missing?
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[13:58] <Skyrider> I wonder if Radeon has changed in the past few months, driver wise.
[13:58] <Skyrider> **AMD Catalyst
[13:59] <ktwo> for windows they did a redesign in december
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[14:11] <Skyrider> What about driver wise?
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[14:11] <Skyrider> I noticed/heard that radeon drivers aren't the best for linux, due to lack of open source.
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[14:17] <buZz> Skyrider: really?
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[14:17] <buZz> works well for me
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[14:17] <Skyrider> Depends on the hardware, ey?
[14:17] <Skyrider> Getting spikes / lags in kodi.
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[14:17] <buZz> (proprietary drivers on radeon cards)
[14:17] <buZz> i probably have faster cards than you, all 79xx ones
[14:18] <buZz> oh the opensource radeon driver is poop, yes
[14:18] <buZz> because AMD doesnt give specs
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[14:18] <deshipu> 80% of everything is crap
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[14:18] <buZz> deshipu: 99% of the water contained in your body once was the urine of an animal
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[14:19] <deshipu> 99.9% of statistics are made up
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[14:19] <buZz> ;)
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[14:21] <zinit> when it was still ATI they used to release their own Linux drivers. surprising if they stopped after AMD bought them. the ATI released drivers were very good
[14:21] <buZz> zinit: they still do
[14:22] <buZz> (release their own linux drivers)
[14:22] <buZz> that didnt stop
[14:22] <buZz> but Skyrider was talking about the FOSS drivers
[14:22] <buZz> which are quite poop
[14:23] <aphirst> nah they're not that bad
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[14:23] <aphirst> in fact in most cases relevant to me they were better
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[14:35] <buZz> aphirst: well you musnt be playing video, drawing 3D shapes or scrolling on a webpage
[14:35] <buZz> besides those 3 'edge cases' they work fine ;)
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[14:39] <aphirst> nah i did those things all the time on my APU thingy
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[14:46] <zinit> hopefully AMD will start releasing all specs on their cards so there can be good FOSS drivers. how are the nvidia open source drivers btw?
[14:46] <zinit> using the ones that came with ubuntu at the moment on my laptop. (havent bothered with changing them yet. it's on a very long to-do list:P)
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[14:52] <buZz> zinit: the nvidia ones now sometimes outperform the proprietary ones
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[14:58] <zinit> ok. worth testing then:)
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[15:07] <AndreeeCZ> My two cents ad ati radion drivers (at least for laptop): in one word: horrible
[15:07] <AndreeeCZ> crappy Xorg support, suspend issues, the installation itself is mordor
[15:08] <buZz> AndreeeCZ: proprietary or foss?
[15:08] <buZz> i use the proprietary for ~3 years now on my miners
[15:08] <AndreeeCZ> prop
[15:08] <buZz> once its installed, 100% flawles
[15:08] <buZz> s
[15:08] <AndreeeCZ> miners as in *coin miners?
[15:09] <AndreeeCZ> For the past two years as i own this laptop, i gave it a shot three times. It always lasted a month tops, before i removed it and swiched back to intel-only
[15:10] <zinit> wonder what I can pump out of my NVS3100m in linux with decent drivers... in win10 I get alot better performance than I did in win7 or 8.. (dualbooting since wow through emulation sucks worse than the irish weather)
[15:10] <BCMM> open source radeon drivers are working flawlessly for me
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[15:10] <BCMM> gaming performance not so great
[15:10] <BCMM> but no graphical glitches crashes etc
[15:10] <BCMM> and aiglx effects are fast and perfect
[15:11] <BCMM> last time i tried the proprietary ones it was awful though
[15:11] <AndreeeCZ> one last rant: dealing with propri ati drivers really made me hate life
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[15:12] <AndreeeCZ> i didnt get the foss ones to work due to gfx card switching issues (having an intel+amd laptop)
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[15:15] <buZz> AndreeeCZ: aww
[15:15] <buZz> AndreeeCZ: yes, coinminers
[15:15] <buZz> i made tons on it
[15:15] <buZz> and remain in the game (through endless upgrades)
[15:15] <TrekBike> Is it safe to plug things into the GPIO ports while the pi is running or should all that be done while powered down?
[15:16] <TrekBike> And of course the 5V or 3.3V poewr pins on the header
[15:16] <buZz> i dont recommend doing it TrekBike
[15:16] <buZz> too easy to do something wrong and watch it die
[15:17] <TrekBike> Thats I suspected. I'll have to reorganize my desk. (And get a second keyboard and mouse.)
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[15:21] <deshipu> spread paperclips all over your desk
[15:21] <BCMM> TrekBike: in particular, there are certain pins that will fry the pi if you short them out
[15:21] <deshipu> they work great with the pi
[15:21] <BCMM> i mean, to each other
[15:22] <deshipu> also, staple fasteners
[15:22] <BCMM> so you should be pretty nervous about putting wires close to them while it's powered on
[15:22] <deshipu> they are great with macbooks -- fit right into the power port
[15:22] <TrekBike> I just wanted to put some long (labelled) jump wires onto the pin header and plug them into the breadboard (or get that T cobbler thing)
[15:23] <deshipu> I wonder if I should put a diode on my pi's power pin, so that I can power it from usb without powering all the servos at the same time...
[15:23] <TrekBike> I also need to some more white light. I can't see the resistor colors under the current light.
[15:23] <deshipu> TrekBike: ouch, that's bad
[15:24] <TrekBike> CFL bulb in the ceiling fixture not very effective.
[15:24] <deshipu> TrekBike: I recently replaced the bulb over my desk with a halogen one -- 1000% improvement!
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[15:24] <deshipu> with bad light you will get tired quick
[15:24] <TrekBike> CostCo sells these super bright LED flood lights that are 9300k
[15:25] <deshipu> I'm not too excited about blinking lights at the workspace
[15:25] <TrekBike> Of course being color blind, even if I think I found the right resister I still need to measure it to be sure.
[15:25] <deshipu> TrekBike: there is a phone app...
[15:26] <BCMM> i wish there was clearer labelling of led stuff regarding whether it flickers or not
[15:26] <deshipu> also, who still uses through-hole resistors?
[15:26] <BCMM> because even when things are PWMed too fast to actually see, i notice it whenever i move my eyes
[15:26] <BCMM> cause all teh light trails are dotted
[15:26] <BCMM> and it's really distracting
[15:26] <TrekBike> I have some of these 9300k floods in my kitchen cans. They are great, except they are too harsh a white light for evert day use.
[15:26] <deshipu> BCMM: not to mention interactions with compyter screens and the like
[15:27] <BCMM> it's especially bad with car tail lights actually
[15:27] <deshipu> fortunately I don't have too many car tail lights at my workshop
[15:28] <TrekBike> I don't have a workshop I have a home office.
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[15:37] <AndreeeCZ> buZz, you mean you made tons of bitcoin on it?
[15:37] <buZz> yes :) over the past couple years
[15:38] <buZz> i am almost at the point where i can mine all my monthly costs
[15:38] <buZz> would remove the need to work
[15:38] <AndreeeCZ> that's huge man
[15:39] <AndreeeCZ> so you can still mine stuff today?
[15:39] <TrekBike> I just want to win the $675 Million on Saturday.
[15:40] <buZz> AndreeeCZ: sure thing :)
[15:41] <buZz> i just bought a 250 euro miner, picking it up tonight
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[15:41] <buZz> it will produce ~2 euro a day for me
[15:41] <buZz> bit more, so ROI in about 3-4 months
[15:42] <AndreeeCZ> how about electricity?
[15:43] <buZz> tastes funny?
[15:43] <buZz> oh the cost
[15:43] <buZz> i have flatfee electricity where i mine
[15:43] <buZz> :)
[15:44] <AndreeeCZ> and do you have some estimates on how much you would pay if you had to pay?
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[15:45] <BAUDR8> hi 3.14 friends :)
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[15:48] <buZz> 3.1415 ?
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[15:50] <membt> @buZz, I bet whoever gave you the flatfee deal would wet themselves if they saw it itemised with regardless to who is causing them so much money x.x
[15:50] <buZz> membt: they are morons regardless
[15:50] <membt> with regards* whoops
[15:50] <buZz> they are paying >7000 eu a month just for heating
[15:50] <membt> haha, that's a bit harsh
[15:50] <buZz> its a moneytrap
[15:51] <membt> do you pool mine?
[15:51] <buZz> actually i rent out
[15:51] <buZz> on nicehash.com
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[15:52] <membt> nice way to do it in your situation :)
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[15:52] <membt> think I'm around �0.12/kwh so it would absolutely kill me
[15:53] <BAUDR8> my rent is currently killing me :[
[15:53] <membt> city rent or income troubles?
[15:54] <buZz> membt: we are ~0.25 eu/kwh
[15:54] <BAUDR8> i guess you could label it as income troubles, just hard to find a reasonably priced apartment in my area that isn't a run down building
[15:54] <buZz> and our miners are ~9kw 24/7
[15:56] <gordonDrogon> hm. maybe I ought to setup some miners to heat my ovens :)
[15:56] <BAUDR8> I'm thinking of doing another raspberry pi zero giveaway soon :] I want to do a bundle with OTG, mini hdmi to regular hdmi and PSU, but i think shipping would kill me internationally
[15:57] <gordonDrogon> I burn just under 9kw when the all going..
[15:57] <gordonDrogon> what country are you in, BAUDR8 ?
[15:57] <buZz> BAUDR8: just build a trebuchet for shipping
[15:57] <buZz> ballistics are cheap :P
[15:57] <BAUDR8> gordonDrogon: USA, I just did a raspberry pi zero giveaway on reddit, winner was in Germany, luckily the shipping wasn't too bad but it was just a single pi zero
[15:58] <gordonDrogon> ah, ok.
[15:58] <BAUDR8> buZz: it's been a long time since i've taken physics, the parabolic curve formula to figured out location is lost on me
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[15:58] <BAUDR8> maybe the amazon drones can help me out
[15:59] <gordonDrogon> https://shop.pimoroni.com/products/the-royal-armouries-museum-siege-engine-range?variant=11843716743
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[15:59] <membt> ugh, ctrl+w on irc isn't the same as ctrl+w on the command line
[16:00] <BAUDR8> TIL: ctrl + w on command line clears the line
[16:00] <BAUDR8> ive always just ctrl + c'd
[16:00] <membt> :)
[16:00] <gordonDrogon> ctrl+w does whatever you configure it to do in your $shell... bash is often delete word, csh is often delete line...
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[16:01] <deshipu> BAUDR8: it doesn't clear it, it erases the last word
[16:01] <membt> it's delete word as default in most of what I've used in recent memory, so that's why I find it more helpful than ctrl+c
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[16:01] <deshipu> at least with EMACS keybindings on
[16:01] <BAUDR8> oh nice! much more useful deshipu (srs)
[16:01] <gordonDrogon> woops. ctrl-w here, closes the window )-:
[16:01] <membt> haha
[16:01] <deshipu> gordonDrogon: windows
[16:01] <gordonDrogon> Linux. xchat.
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[16:01] <deshipu> gordonDrogon: windows developers
[16:01] <ThinkingofPython> shiftplusone Hey man, long time no see!
[16:02] <ThinkingofPython> Oh, I'm curious to why the chat here is being cached on some webpage.
[16:02] <gordonDrogon> people develop on windows? how quiant. I thought it was just thrown together... ;-)
[16:02] <ThinkingofPython> Now, if I bing my name, I do get results from a web cache of this channel.
[16:02] <ThinkingofPython> or even google
[16:02] <ThinkingofPython> Davespice Any idea?
[16:02] <BAUDR8> ThinkingofPython: i thought that aws normal
[16:02] <gordonDrogon> this channel is logged. See the title ...
[16:02] <BAUDR8> ThinkofPython: bing.............
[16:02] <ThinkingofPython> BAUDR8 Not in any other server that I've been in.
[16:02] <gordonDrogon> Logs: http://srv.datagutt1.com
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[16:03] <ThinkingofPython> BAUDR8 I'm an ex-MS employee, and I live in China ;)
[16:03] <pigrit> anyone happen to have used kivent (and had trouble with kivent_cymunk (and solved them ?) ?) ?
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[16:03] <ThinkingofPython> ah neat gordonDrogon
[16:03] <membt> sh~, where's my tinfoil hat? it stops teh logz from working
[16:03] <ThinkingofPython> Never noticed that before
[16:03] <ThinkingofPython> Heh, nah. Just gotta watch what I say then ;)
[16:04] <ThinkingofPython> Oh, if any of you like NES, SNES, N64, GB(A), keep on the look out for my product that'l publically lunch soonish.
[16:04] <ThinkingofPython> ;)
[16:04] <ThinkingofPython> not pi based, hah (sorry D: )
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[16:05] <deshipu> there are enough pi-based arcade simulators to shake your stick at
[16:05] <ThinkingofPython> Yep
[16:05] <deshipu> we don't need no products
[16:05] <ThinkingofPython> Lucky for me that this isn't an arcade sim *phew*
[16:05] <ThinkingofPython> or even a console sim
[16:05] <ThinkingofPython> :)
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[16:08] <ThinkingofPython> In the mean time, if you're a lover of Gameboy or text based adventures, check out my gameboy homebrew: www.booyadev.com/nobody.html
[16:08] <ThinkingofPython> I <3 z80 programming
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[16:12] <membt> :)
[16:13] <ThinkingofPython> :3
[16:13] <ThinkingofPython> About the logs, I'm surprised theyre isn't an anti-crawler code added
[16:13] <ThinkingofPython> so the web crawlers don't index it
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[16:17] <deshipu> hmm, this battery is definitely too small for rpi :/
[16:17] <deshipu> 10 minutes and it's dead
[16:18] <deshipu> perhaps I shouldn't run apt-get while on battery power
[16:18] <ThinkingofPython> Whats the batt specs?
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[16:18] <ThinkingofPython> 5V 1A lasts me a bit even when oc'ed
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[16:18] <BAUDR8> 1Ah?
[16:18] <deshipu> 2S LiPo 300mAh
[16:18] <ThinkingofPython> Might be 1.5A, I forget, :$
[16:18] <ThinkingofPython> ahh
[16:19] <ThinkingofPython> Yeah way too small
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[16:19] <ThinkingofPython> I'm using a tiny 3.7V lipo that's been upvolted to 5V (step up)
[16:19] <ThinkingofPython> Bought as thick as 2 credit cards or so
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[16:20] <deshipu> hmm, 610mAh
[16:20] <membt> is anybody here running hostapd on their pi? my lsb script got clobbered and I don't have a copy (and can't be bothered to reinstall it :()
[16:20] <deshipu> the only larger I have is 2.2Ah, 3S, but that heavy
[16:21] <ThinkingofPython> deshipu A 1 or 1.5Ah batt won't cost you much
[16:21] <ThinkingofPython> Where I am, it's like $2. Can't be much more in western world
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[16:21] <deshipu> ThinkingofPython: the cost is not the problem, the weight is
[16:21] <ThinkingofPython> Well, as mentioned, mines like 2 credit cards thick
[16:21] <ThinkingofPython> weighs like... nothing
[16:21] <deshipu> ThinkingofPython: 1S?
[16:22] <deshipu> ThinkingofPython: 3.7V?
[16:22] <ThinkingofPython> s?
[16:22] <deshipu> how many cells
[16:22] <ThinkingofPython> 3.7 but has a built in step up
[16:22] <ThinkingofPython> looks ish like this
[16:22] <ThinkingofPython> http://g01.s.alicdn.com/kf/HTB1ad8GIVXXXXXxXXXXq6xXFXXXg/innovative-gadgets-portable-5v-super-thin-credit.jpg
[16:22] <ThinkingofPython> Runs the Pi for an hour or so
[16:22] <deshipu> yeah, so that's pretty much like my 2S 610mA one
[16:23] <deshipu> '(I have a switching volatge regulator)
[16:23] <Armand> Only 610 ?
[16:23] <ThinkingofPython> I've even seen them as 2A here, just a little thicker
[16:23] <ThinkingofPython> so might be worth trying to find one :3
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[16:23] <Armand> http://www.amazon.co.uk/EC-Technology%C2%AE-18000mAh-Dual-Port-Tablets-Black/dp/B00LVTUYA0/ref=sr_1_6?ie=UTF8&qid=1421245386&sr=8-6&keywords=usb+battery+pack
[16:23] <Armand> Awww, yeah!
[16:23] <ThinkingofPython> Ah mines the size of a credit card though
[16:23] <Armand> 1A & 2.1A ;)
[16:23] <ThinkingofPython> Like, bout the same size as Pi
[16:23] <ThinkingofPython> so, small
[16:23] <deshipu> ThinkingofPython: the problem with those usb powerbank ones is that they have overcurrent cutoff
[16:23] <Armand> Mine fits any of my coat pockets. :P
[16:23] <deshipu> ThinkingofPython: and I do need 2A
[16:23] <ThinkingofPython> Yeah
[16:23] <Armand> I need big pockets. ^_^
[16:23] <ThinkingofPython> But I haven't ran into any issues
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[16:24] <ThinkingofPython> I use mine as a "backup" when running on my laptop
[16:24] <ThinkingofPython> So if the laptop battery dies, it switches over to this batt without data loss
[16:24] <ThinkingofPython> Like a UPS :P
[16:24] <gordonDrogon> I have a USB power pack that gives 2A.
[16:24] <Armand> I got the 18000 for my phone.. Too much Ingress. :P
[16:24] <Armand> gordonDrogon: the EC Tech one does 2.1A
[16:24] <gordonDrogon> the issue with that is that is shuts off when the power draw goes low (designed for charging phones, etc.)
[16:24] <ThinkingofPython> I do need a 3A 5V battery
[16:24] <ThinkingofPython> except they're like impossible to find
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[16:25] <Armand> 12v deep cycle. ;)
[16:25] <ThinkingofPython> I have a "wintel box", sort of like a raspberry pi that runs Windows (Intel Atom A3735F quad core, 2GB DDR3 RAM, eMMC)
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[16:25] <gordonDrogon> Armand, yes - I did fire that up once.. then uninstalled it after my phone got too hot to touch (what was it doing???)
[16:25] <Armand> That'll do it. :D
[16:25] <ThinkingofPython> but it's 5V 3A
[16:25] <ThinkingofPython> During boot
[16:25] <Armand> gordonDrogon: What phone?
[16:25] <gordonDrogon> Armand, Nexus 5.
[16:25] <ThinkingofPython> drops to 1.5A on desktop
[16:25] <Armand> Weird...
[16:26] <ThinkingofPython> So, I definitely need a 3Ah batt. Any ideas?
[16:26] <ThinkingofPython> Anything less than 2.5, fails during boot
[16:26] <gordonDrogon> ThinkingofPython, depends how small you want it ...
[16:26] <deshipu> ThinkingofPython: power packs for RC cars
[16:26] <Armand> I upgraded from the N4 to N6... no notable heat.
[16:26] <ThinkingofPython> gordonDrogon preferably a liion
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[16:26] <ThinkingofPython> or lipo
[16:26] <gordonDrogon> ThinkingofPython, are you powering a hub roo?
[16:26] <ThinkingofPython> Not a nicad or nimh
[16:26] <ThinkingofPython> Nope
[16:26] <gordonDrogon> s/roo/too/
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[16:26] <gordonDrogon> so a Pi b+/2 is limited to 2A draw.
[16:26] <ThinkingofPython> Just need the 3ah for boot
[16:27] <ThinkingofPython> Yeah, but I'm talking about a different device :P
[16:27] <ThinkingofPython> Wintel Box
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[16:27] <gordonDrogon> ah,ok.
[16:27] <gordonDrogon> good luck :)
[16:27] <ThinkingofPython> Needs 5V 3Ah
[16:27] <ThinkingofPython> Impossible to find in batt :P
[16:27] <Armand> Build a backpack battery. ^_^
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[16:31] <gordonDrogon> Ah is a measure of capacity not current.
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[16:31] <gordonDrogon> the little USB one I have has a capacity of 15Ah.
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[16:31] <gordonDrogon> so 5x more than you need.
[16:31] <Armand> 12v to 5v DC regulator... 3A.
[16:31] <gordonDrogon> however its limited to 2A current draw. At least I think it is, I've never measured it.
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[16:32] <gordonDrogon> http://www.amazon.co.uk/Anker-13000mAh-Portable-External-Technology-Black/dp/B00BQ5KHJW
[16:32] <gordonDrogon> 3A output on that one.
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[16:32] <gordonDrogon> so no-where near impossible to find in a battery.
[16:32] <ThinkingofPython> Ah but that battery isn't 3A
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[16:32] <ThinkingofPython> It's like 2A on port
[16:32] <ThinkingofPython> 1A other port
[16:32] <ThinkingofPython> I need 3A from 1 port
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[16:33] <voina> Hey guys, trying to install kodi here on my rpi but getting the error that some packages could not be installed
[16:33] <voina> due to dependancies
[16:33] <voina> any ideas how to make this work?
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[16:34] <gordonDrogon> http://www.amazon.co.uk/Anker-PowerCore-Ultra-Compact-VoltageBoost-Technology-Black/dp/B00M0EWED0/ref=dp_ob_title_ce
[16:34] <gordonDrogon> that one has 3A from one port - usb-c though.
[16:34] <ThinkingofPython> hmm still not useful
[16:34] <Armand> http://www.amazon.co.uk/Compact-20000mAh-Portable-Anker-PowerCore-Black/dp/B00VJSGT2A/ref=pd_cp_23_2?ie=UTF8&refRID=1Z3X3HBJ9VTEYS98QH84
[16:34] <ThinkingofPython> usb-c != compatible with normal usb, right?
[16:35] <Armand> Damnit.. "2.4 amps per port"
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[16:35] <Armand> Soz. :/
[16:35] <ThinkingofPython> yep
[16:35] <ThinkingofPython> Couldn't I always combine the ports?
[16:35] <chithead> the usb-c plug is not compatible, but there are adapters
[16:35] <ThinkingofPython> Y cable it
[16:35] <ThinkingofPython> Y cable (2x USB male to 1 mini USB)?
[16:35] <chithead> usb-c is orthogonal to the usb power delivery standard, which works over usb-a, b and their micro variants too
[16:36] <ThinkingofPython> ah neat
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[16:36] <ThinkingofPython> I'm not too knowledgable in voltages and stuff
[16:36] <ThinkingofPython> But I'd imagine a Ycable wouldn't pose any dangers, right?
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[16:37] <ThinkingofPython> Port 1 = 1A, Port 2 = 2A. Combine them with Y cable (2x USB male to 1x USB Mini Male)
[16:37] <ThinkingofPython> thus, 3A. Voltage shouldn't stack, right?
[16:37] <gordonDrogon> it would depend on how the output regulators worked, but you'd probably be ok.
[16:37] <deshipu> it's actually more tricky
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[16:37] <ThinkingofPython> ah
[16:37] <deshipu> because the two batteries won't discharge equally
[16:37] <ThinkingofPython> Hmm, very true.
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[16:38] <gordonDrogon> deshipu, these things are not just 2 batteries - they're many cells and the output drivers tap off all of them at the same time....
[16:38] <deshipu> gordonDrogon: yeah, even more complicated :)
[16:38] <ThinkingofPython> Hmm well, I'll sleep on it.
[16:38] <gordonDrogon> so internally it's probably an 11.4v system with 2 separate output regulators.
[16:38] <ThinkingofPython> I'll have to come up with something, heh
[16:39] <ThinkingofPython> Thanks guys :)
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[16:39] <ThinkingofPython> shiftplusone Find out how to get a pi zero to China for me ;)
[16:39] <Tenkawa> hi all
[16:39] <ThinkingofPython> Would loveee to get my hands on one, seems like it'd be a good teaching tool in the classroom
[16:39] <gordonDrogon> ThinkingofPython, you might be able to use a 12v battery and a standard miniATX switching PSU though.
[16:39] <Tenkawa> heheh you should hear all the questions i get about the pi zero at a local place I use mine at
[16:39] <gordonDrogon> I've built many little systems with 12v inputs.
[16:39] <ThinkingofPython> Thought of that actually
[16:40] <ThinkingofPython> just really bulky
[16:40] <ThinkingofPython> But would be a good and safe solution
[16:40] <ThinkingofPython> Good night all, thanks for the help.
[16:40] <gordonDrogon> http://linitx.com/product/minibox-m3atx-6v24v-125w-intelligent-car-psu/11873
[16:40] <gordonDrogon> that's an expensive one, however ...
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[16:41] <ThinkingofPython> i'll favorite it, and check it out
[16:41] <ThinkingofPython> could probably find it in China (where I live), easier.
[16:41] <ThinkingofPython> heh
[16:41] <ThinkingofPython> night
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[16:41] <shiftplusone> ThinkingofPython: hey
[16:41] <vOina> sry guys got disconnected, anyone wrote any solutions to my problem?
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[16:41] <shiftplusone> ThinkingofPython: I'll let you know right after I figure out how to get hands on one myself!
[16:42] <gordonDrogon> shiftplusone, no-one send one to you?
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[16:45] <shiftplusone> gordonDrogon: nope
[16:46] <gordonDrogon> shiftplusone, and I thought I was left out )-:
[16:47] <Tenkawa> ugh
[16:47] <Tenkawa> bad solder joints can be so flaky to troubleshoot
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[16:55] <gordonDrogon> don't make them bad in the first place :)
[16:55] <shiftplusone> heh
[16:55] <Tenkawa> gordonDrogon: came from the factory that way
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[16:55] <shiftplusone> surely they aren't his solder joints.... it's for a friend
[16:55] <Tenkawa> the power jack
[16:56] <shiftplusone> yeah, there you go.... "factory"
[16:56] <Tenkawa> i was so annoyed once i isolated the problem
[16:56] <Tenkawa> thank goodness microcenter has another one in stock
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[17:16] <stickperson> my raspberry pi 2 keeps shutting down for no reason. i’m using the 5V/2.5A power supply from cana kit, so i wouldn’t thnk that’s the issue. how can i troubleshoot ths?
[17:17] <x3l3tric> Hey everyone. Is there a way to shrink a Win32DiskImager image?
[17:17] <traeak> isn't there a light that stays on as long as you have sufficient power?
[17:17] <traeak> otehrwise if you are undervolting it the light shuts off
[17:17] <traeak> what you have plugged into it?
[17:17] <x3l3tric> I was trying to migrate my pi model B install to a model 2, but apparently my new SD card is too small, even though both it and the old one are 32GB.
[17:18] <x3l3tric> I know there's like 15GB or so of empty space in the image
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[17:19] <methuzla> stickperson describe what additional hardware is attached to pi
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[17:19] <stickperson> methuzla: usb wifi dongle, and a separately powered external hdd
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[17:20] <stickperson> methuzla: and now that i think about it, i don’t think it actually shuts down— the video i’m playing has frozen and wifi disconnects. it has been lik that for hours.
[17:20] <stickperson> so i don’t think it shutdown otherwise the screen would be black
[17:21] <methuzla> stickperson no screen/keyboard/mouse attached ?
[17:21] <stickperson> methuzla: gah sorry. i have my tv hooked up via hdmi. no keyboard/mouse.
[17:21] <stickperson> those are the only connections besids the power i mentioned
[17:21] <methuzla> stickperson how do you connect to pi?
[17:22] <stickperson> ssh
[17:22] <methuzla> stickperson what os?
[17:22] <stickperson> methuzla: raspbian
[17:23] <stickperson> methuzla: but obviously can’t ssh because wifi is not working. i do have a cronjob running that is supposed to turn wifi back on if it disconnects, but that’s not doig anything right now
[17:23] <stickperson> also the red and green status lights are lit but not blinking. just constantly lit.
[17:24] <Tenkawa> stickperson: does syslog/messages from past boots show anything of interest?
[17:24] <stickperson> Tenkawa: not sure because it’s frozen at the moment. haven’t decided to restart yet just to see if there’s anything i can do currently.
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[17:25] <Tenkawa> stickperson: oh.. this isnt a recurring thing?
[17:25] <methuzla> stickperson how have you recovered previsouly?
[17:25] <stickperson> Tenkawa: it happened a couple nights ago. last night it happened again, and i thought it was just a wifi issue so i just turned my tv off and went to sleep.
[17:25] <Tenkawa> ahhh
[17:25] <stickperson> methuzla: just unplugged my power source. not ideal but didn’t know of any other solution.
[17:26] <methuzla> and everything worked again after repowering?
[17:26] <traeak> are you overclockign it? is the chip hot?
[17:27] <stickperson> methuzla: yup until this time. about a day later.
[17:27] <stickperson> traeak: i am. i can’t remember the exact value, but it’s what raspbian recommended for the pi 2
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[17:27] <methuzla> can you correlate the freeze up to anything? or does it just randomly happen?
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[17:28] <traeak> can you wire up a usb serial? probably a good way to monitor it
[17:28] <Tenkawa> thats what I do
[17:28] <Tenkawa> it has been very very helpful
[17:28] <stickperson> methuzla: last night i was streaming video via internet. the night before i was watching a video off my ext hd
[17:29] <methuzla> just to make sure, this is your power supply: http://www.canakit.com/raspberry-pi-adapter-power-supply-2-5a.html
[17:29] <stickperson> traeak: don’t have one :/
[17:29] <traeak> theyre' not expensive
[17:29] <stickperson> methuzla: that’s the exact one i have
[17:29] <traeak> just pita to get both the serial and find a handful of wires
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[17:29] <Tenkawa> I think mine was like 10$ locally
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[17:29] <methuzla> doubt it's a power issue then
[17:29] <traeak> also you could crossover cable into the ether
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[17:30] <methuzla> my guess is a combination of overclocking and sd card issue
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[17:30] <stickperson> i didn’t have this issue with a different power supply a couple days ago. i forget what the specs of that one were though.
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[17:31] <stickperson> what does the solid green led mean?
[17:31] <methuzla> http://elinux.org/R-Pi_Troubleshooting#Red_power_LED_is_on.2C_green_LED_does_not_flash.2C_nothing_on_display
[17:31] <Tenkawa> wish the lights werent color coded
[17:31] * Tenkawa is colorblind
[17:31] <methuzla> they're labeled on the silkscreen
[17:32] <Tenkawa> good point
[17:33] <methuzla> stickperson have you set max_usb_current=1 in config.txt?
[17:33] <stickperson> methuzla: i have not. what config.txt file?
[17:34] <stickperson> i just unplugged the pi and plugged it back in since i saw no solution at the moment. looking through the syslog now.
[17:34] <methuzla> /boot/config.txt
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[17:36] <stickperson> http://dpaste.com/3KS1RK2
[17:36] <stickperson> there’s the syslog. problem seems to start at 2:18.
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[17:37] <traeak> don't overclock
[17:37] <traeak> thta would be the first easy one :-p
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[17:38] <methuzla> agee
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[17:38] <methuzla> agree
[17:38] <traeak> i never had success with overclocking
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[17:39] <Tenkawa> not much need if any for most to overclock either
[17:39] <traeak> back in the old days the windows guys would overclock, whenever i did it i would start to have instabilties
[17:39] <traeak> i had teh abit board with the dual celeron 366's oc'd to 550
[17:39] <traeak> that didn't work for too long
[17:39] <stickperson> ok, i’ll see if that works. anyone glean anything from the log?
[17:39] <traeak> actually the caps went bad on taht...tryingto remmeber the other times i tried to OC
[17:40] <Tenkawa> whosh....
[17:40] <Tenkawa> er whosh
[17:40] <traeak> hehe
[17:40] <Tenkawa> er whoah.. you know when a drive is flaking when.....
[17:40] <traeak> that was back in the late 90s
[17:40] <Tenkawa> the first 5 seconds of a write badblocks test crashes it
[17:41] <Tenkawa> yowza that was bad
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[17:42] <Tenkawa> think the controller might be flaking out :(
[17:42] <methuzla> stickperson: about max_usb_current http://elinux.org/RPiconfig#USB_Power
[17:43] <stickperson> methuzla: thanks
[17:43] <traeak> have another wireless dongle to test with?
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[17:45] <stickperson> methuzla: what does usb power have to do with this issue though?
[17:45] <stickperson> traeak: nope :/
[17:45] <methuzla> stickperson without that setting pi will only draw 600ma even with a 2.5a power supply
[17:46] <methuzla> stickperson with a pi2, a wifi dongle, and video processing, you may be hitting a 600ma power limit
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[17:46] <methuzla> stickperson and overclocking is just making things worse
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[17:46] * methuzla thinks overclocking is like putting those race car fins on honda civics
[17:47] <stickperson> methuzla: and is that when things freeze.. when you hit the power limit?
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[17:49] <methuzla> maybe
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[17:54] <traeak> yeah, front wheel drive with rear spoiler
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[18:21] <A_storm> Trying to connect a prebuil.t adafruit 2.8 inch screen to my raspberry pi running raspbian. I followed this guide using the script not the image. I got it to display the raspbian os on the screen but of course it looks condensed and all messed up, but how do I get the touch screen working and have the correct thing displayed
[18:21] <pipi> Hello together
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[18:22] <bandou> guys someone here from germany and have little knowledge about SIM-Cards?
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[18:24] <aphirst> bandou, not german but live there, what is it you want to know
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[18:25] <aphirst> maybe i know maybe i dont
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[18:27] <deshipu> bandou: http://prepaid-data-sim-card.wikia.com/wiki/Germany
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[18:29] <bandou> i want to know if i can use a free simcard for binding my pi with a raspberry
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[18:30] <gordonDrogon> blackberry?
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[18:36] <tsunamie> please help me, I have an old rasbripi. I followered the instructions to install rasbian. So on my SDHC drive I wrote the latest raspain stuff. However now when I plug it in the monitor and power it on nothing shows on the screen
[18:36] <tsunamie> I have aHDMI to VGA connector. On the old version of rasbripi it worked and I saw the server terminal
[18:36] <tsunamie> now since I switched to rabian I can see anything. No signal on the monitor
[18:37] <ppq> bandou, you mean, use one of the ad-financed sims for use in a USB 3G modem with your pi? should be possible if you know the login data (check google for "<name of the provider> umts zugangsdaten"
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[18:39] <tsunamie> any takers?
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[18:45] <gordonDrogon> tsunamie, do you still have the old image on a separate SD card? If so, then look at the config.txt file and compare the differences to the new one - you might need to force the new one to use hdmi.
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[18:46] <tsunamie> sorry overote the same card
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[18:46] <tsunamie> gaaa fauly card with write protection even when it says unlocked
[18:47] <gordonDrogon> its still workwhile checking the config.txt file though - I think there are comments in it about forcing hdmi, etc.
[18:47] <gordonDrogon> 'write protection' is nothing more than a software switch.
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[18:48] <tsunamie> software glitch?
[18:48] <gordonDrogon> switch.
[18:48] <gordonDrogon> software can ignore the write protect if it wants to.
[18:49] <tsunamie> gordonDrogon, how do I do that?
[18:49] <tsunamie> it's telling me I can't write to the stupid thing
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[18:52] <gordonDrogon> no idea. its not something I've ever seen.
[18:53] <gordonDrogon> got another SD card, or another holder if it's a � in a holder?
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[18:54] <tsunamie> just used some tap to cover the switch to force it to wriote :)
[18:54] <tsunamie> config_hdmi_boost=4
[18:54] <tsunamie> uncomented that
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[18:55] <tsunamie> google is my friend
[18:55] <BCMM> google is your creepy stalker
[18:56] <tsunamie> gordonDrogon, okay, so the power liught is red and the ok is flashing green. However nothing on monitor yet
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[18:59] <bandou> What's your thoughts about PS3 Remote and our Pi? - Want to use it because there are a lot more Keys then on the XBOX One Remote (with only need a TSOP)
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[19:00] <tsunamie> hiumm.. still nothing
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[19:00] <tsunamie> and thew okay is no longer flashing
[19:00] <tsunamie> power still red
[19:00] <Tenkawa> wow what a day
[19:00] <TheLostAdmin> The power light on the Pi is red. If it is flashing, that's bad. If it is always-on, that's good. At least that's my understanding of the light.
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[19:02] <bandou> @tsunamie pls erase ur SD Card with something like SD Formatter
[19:02] <bandou> and give it a second try
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[19:02] <bandou> https://www.sdcard.org/downloads/formatter_4/
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[19:03] <Tenkawa> what are you using to write the sd card?
[19:03] <traeak> tsunamie: having a usb serial is a very good idea
[19:04] * Tenkawa agreed with traeak
[19:04] <Tenkawa> er agrees
[19:04] <tsunamie> usb serial?
[19:05] <tsunamie> bandou, thanks
[19:05] <tsunamie> brb in like 20 minutes
[19:05] <traeak> i have a usb serial but i have the wrong wires (used with a mele a100
[19:05] <tsunamie> while I try all of these
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[19:05] <traeak> been too lazy to grab the right wires, but my rpi2 works just fine so no compelling reason to at the moment
[19:05] <traeak> i wish the microusb power port had the usb serial builtin
[19:07] <bandou> @traeak what are u talking about?
[19:07] <bandou> explain USB Serial for dummies pls ;)
[19:07] <A_storm> Trying to connect a prebuil.t adafruit 2.8 inch screen to my raspberry pi running raspbian. I followed this guide using the script not the image. I got it to display the raspbian os on the screen but of course it looks condensed and all messed up, but how do I get the touch screen working and have the correct thing displayed
[19:07] <traeak> bandou: as in use a usb port from your computer to both nominally power the rpi and also get a serial connection into the rpi
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[19:08] <traeak> through the same cebble
[19:08] <bandou> connect the pi with the pc through microusb?
[19:09] <bandou> that should not work?!
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[19:11] <methuzla> good overview of "usb serial": https://learn.adafruit.com/adafruits-raspberry-pi-lesson-5-using-a-console-cable/overview
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[19:25] <x3l3tric> Hey all. I'm having a weird issue that I think has an easy solution
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[19:25] <x3l3tric> I brought down my Model B to backup the SD card, but I used "Shutdown now" instead of "shutdown -h now"
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[19:26] <x3l3tric> I think raspbian may be in maintenance mode? I'm really not sure. I know the card is fine because I just flashed an old backup to it and it worked, but the backup is too old for it to be really useful to me.
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[19:28] <Macgyver0> is fsck bitching or?
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[19:30] <methuzla> x3l3tric what exactly is your issue?
[19:31] <x3l3tric> My issue is that the pi won't boot, and I think it has to do with the shutdown command I used last time.
[19:31] <x3l3tric> The message it gave said something about going into maintenance mode
[19:32] <x3l3tric> Then I disconnected power, backed up the SD card, and when I tried to start the pi again, it wouldn't boot.
[19:32] <x3l3tric> When I connected it to a monitor, the Pi logo came up, then the screen went to black
[19:32] <x3l3tric> the exact command I used was "sudo shutdown now"
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[19:34] <methuzla> as i understand it, that would put the pi in runlevel 1
[19:34] <methuzla> so not fully shutdown
[19:34] <methuzla> so maybe you corrupted the file system by pulling power
[19:35] <x3l3tric> I think you're right... Are there any fixes you can think of for if the issue isn't a corrupted file system?
[19:35] <Macgyver0> probably just need to fsck the card if it'll even boot kernel now, else have to run it on another machine. Option B is restore your backup. I don't trust SD cards on Pi for anything but kernel/config (readonly) everything else is via USB or NFS root
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[19:35] <x3l3tric> What do you mean by fsck?
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[19:36] <pksato> x3l3tric: insert root password on this screenm and after login run fsck /dev/name_that_i_not_remember
[19:36] <TheLostAdmin> fsck is a linux command. It stands for filesystem check. It's like the Linux version of DOS' chkdsk.
[19:36] <Macgyver0> it's *nix equiv of chkdsk
[19:36] <x3l3tric> Can I access it from the recovery stuff?
[19:37] <x3l3tric> After the pi logo where it says "Hold shift for recovery," it goes to a black screen
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[19:39] <x3l3tric> What flags should I run with fsck?
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[19:40] <x3l3tric> Also, if I can't get to a command prompt on the pi itself, will it work to put the SD card in a linux machine and run fsck from there?
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[19:43] <traeak> x3l3tric: of course
[19:43] <x3l3tric> And if the file system is corrupted, should this fix it?
[19:44] <traeak> of course not :-p
[19:44] <traeak> why would you ever want a working system?
[19:44] <traeak> silly kids
[19:45] <x3l3tric> haha
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[19:45] <x3l3tric> I hate how easy it is to corrupt the filesystem on these things
[19:45] <deshipu> mount stuff read-only
[19:45] <deshipu> problem solved
[19:46] <x3l3tric> I have mine set up as a seedbox, though, so that's not really the best option.
[19:46] <traeak> jernaling
[19:46] <x3l3tric> Although, now that you mention it, I could do that with the SD card content, since all the other stuff is stored on a separate HDD. How would I go about mounting just the OS read-only?
[19:47] <x3l3tric> And what is journaling? I've heard the term before but never tried to implement it.
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[19:47] <traeak> you'd have to put /var and other stuff on tmpfs which would take away ram
[19:48] <x3l3tric> Would that be reasonable to do on a pi2?
[19:48] <pksato> e2fs /dev/mmcblk0p2
[19:48] <x3l3tric> The whole reason I was backing everything up was to migrate to a pi2
[19:48] <x3l3tric> What does that command do pksato?
[19:48] <pksato> e2fsck /dev/mmcblk0p2
[19:48] <traeak> for some reason i put ext4 on mine
[19:49] <pksato> run a checkdisk on system partition (I guess)
[19:49] <traeak> i wish nilfs2 was abit more...stable
[19:49] <traeak> i tried running a couple of x86 systems but oger the long haul had some issues with the cleaner
[19:49] <traeak> and when nilfs fsck's up its pretty bad
[19:49] <x3l3tric> I'll try to run that command once I finish flashing the backup
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[19:53] <Macgyver0> I would move rootfs to USB hdd partition, or if you have another *nix machine NFS root is easy and performs well... or well enough comparable to SD
[19:53] <x3l3tric> How would I do that?
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[19:56] <Macgyver0> depends on which route you want to do, but since your serving up torrents I imagine you have a nice big ol usb hdd that you could make an 8gb or so partition on. its fairly straightforward, few tutorials out there. I use 64mb sd cards in most
[19:57] <Macgyver0> basically create a partition, copy stuff over... edit fstab and your cmdline file on SD
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[19:58] <A_storm> Can anyone help me with my 2.8 tft adafruit display
[19:59] <traeak> that's a big display
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[20:00] <A_storm> Lol not ft, TFT
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[20:13] <tsunamie> okay sd formmater to clean sd card. then win32mangewr to write 2015-11-21-raspbian-jessie.img to the card. the screen says checl cabl;e signal when I turn the power on the rabri pi.
[20:13] <tsunamie> someone save me
[20:13] <tsunamie> I don't know what the fudge is going on
[20:13] <tsunamie> :(
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[20:14] <B0g4r7_> Does the green LED light/blink at all?
[20:14] <B0g4r7_> or just red?
[20:15] <tsunamie> power light is red
[20:15] <tsunamie> the okay light blinks green
[20:15] <tsunamie> so sdhc card being red
[20:15] <tsunamie> read
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[20:15] <hakat> yes, green blinks is card-read/write and red solid power is good.
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[20:18] <B0g4r7_> Sounds good. Maybe there is indeed a problem with the HDMI cable, as the display suggests?
[20:18] <B0g4r7_> Or the correct input is not selected on the display.
[20:18] <tsunamie> check signal cable hum........ checking again
[20:18] <tsunamie> :(
[20:19] <tsunamie> gaaa it's securly in. a VGA cable with a vga to hdmi converter
[20:19] <tsunamie> :(
[20:22] <B0g4r7_> I would tend to suspect that the converter is not doing its thing.
[20:22] <myself> do you have another hdmi source you can test with?
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[20:22] <myself> To be sure a "vga to hdmi" is going the wrong way, did you mean an "hdmi to vga" converter? They're not bidirectional.
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[20:23] <t3chguy> tsunamie: with a lot of adapters and converters, you may have to force HDMI output on the pi side
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[20:23] <t3chguy> as it might not detect the converter properly
[20:24] <tsunamie> will share my configuration in a moment
[20:24] <Macgyver0> or little diode on hdmi port popped
[20:24] <tsunamie> trying to write over it again
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[20:25] <tsunamie> okay will set forced in a moment
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[20:29] <tsunamie> https://gist.github.com/anonymous/cdb2739c052171da4479
[20:30] <al4nc4ds> hi guys
[20:31] <tsunamie> I am going to go mad
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[20:31] <al4nc4ds> Pizero supports execution of kodi in stable way ?
[20:31] <B0g4r7_> No Pinky. You haven't gone mad. You've gone sane in an insane world.
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[20:33] <tsunamie> okay so I don't know what else to try
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[20:34] <tsunamie> okay fucking finally
[20:34] <tsunamie> :(
[20:34] <B0g4r7_> You could try a display with an HDMI input. :trlf:
[20:34] <tsunamie> I just cum in my pants
[20:34] <tsunamie> I have never been so happy to see a fucking raberry
[20:34] <Tenkawa> so what was the fix?
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[20:35] <brendafdez> hiya
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[20:36] <brendafdez> I'm looking at this and it looks awesome, $60 for a 7" touchscreen display which interfaces directly with the pi https://www.raspberrypi.org/blog/the-eagerly-awaited-raspberry-pi-display/
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[20:36] <brendafdez> however all their links to sellers say out of stock. Does anyone know where to get them?
[20:36] <brendafdez> And if they are still available
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[20:37] <tsunamie> Tenkawa, I litterally threw the pi across the room
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[20:38] <H__> boo
[20:38] <traeak> hiss
[20:38] <tsunamie> Tenkawa, I then sighed and then picked it up and plugged it back in. I suspect the hdmi fitting on the pi is loose
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[20:39] <Tenkawa> ahhh
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[20:43] <x3l3tric> I have the SD card in a lubuntu system right now. When I run "sudo fsck /dev/mmcblk0p2" from a terminal, I get a message saying that "Attempt to read block from filesystem resulted in short read while trying to open /dev/mmcblk0p2"
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[20:44] <Tenkawa> x3l3tric: sounds like disk corruption
[20:44] <Tenkawa> or not seated well
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[20:44] <tsunamie> can the original pi or piv1 run kodi well?
[20:44] <tsunamie> or is it really slow
[20:45] <B0g4r7_> Or it doesn't see the card at all.
[20:45] <tsunamie> as just going to youtube seems to be really slow
[20:45] <x3l3tric> It can see that there are files on the disk
[20:45] <B0g4r7_> Does "blockdev --getsize /dev/mmcblk0p2" return a non-zero value?
[20:45] <x3l3tric> I just removed and reinserted the card, and it opened a file manager window
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[20:46] <x3l3tric> B0g4r7_ Yes, it comes back with "2"
[20:46] <B0g4r7_> Hmm. 2 sectors sounds awfully small.
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[20:47] <B0g4r7_> --getsize64 maybe?
[20:47] <x3l3tric> 1024
[20:47] <B0g4r7_> 1024 bytes. Yeah, doesn't sound right.
[20:47] <x3l3tric> Is there another partition I should try?
[20:48] <B0g4r7_> Sounds probable.
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[20:48] <x3l3tric> What do you mean?
[20:48] <B0g4r7_> You are probably correct about looking for other partitions.
[20:49] <A_storm> Anyone with experience with adafruit 2.8 touch screen?
[20:49] <x3l3tric> Looks like that was an extended partition. Running the same command with "p5", which gparted says is the boot partition, gives back 62914560
[20:50] <x3l3tric> Should I run the fsck on that?
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[20:50] <B0g4r7_> Sounds reasonable.
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[20:51] <manhaton> hi .. sorry this is a bit off topic but has anybody tried pidora in a VM .. I have it all runinng under QEMU but the only reloution i can use is 640x480 .. thanks
[20:51] <x3l3tric> How long should it take? It looks like it finished right when I ran it.
[20:52] <x3l3tric> The boot partition is fat16, btw.
[20:52] <x3l3tric> Is there a certain flag I should use?
[20:52] <B0g4r7_> IDK...you could try --force to make it check anyway even if it's marked "clean".
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[20:54] <x3l3tric> Force flag doesn't work
[20:55] <x3l3tric> There we go, I had to use fsck.vfat
[20:56] <x3l3tric> It took longer that time, still finished in like 5 seconds
[20:57] <x3l3tric> I did that with every partition, let's see if it works now
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[20:59] <x3l3tric> No dice. Let me connect it to a monitor and see what happens
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[21:03] <tsunamie> the original pi seems slower than I remeber
[21:03] <tsunamie> rendering html is sooooooooooooooooooooooooooo slow
[21:03] <x3l3tric> How can I open a terminal from the recovery window?
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[21:17] <x3l3tric> So, now I'm trying to do the check with GParted, and I got an odd error when trying to check the boot partition
[21:17] <Tenkawa> what error?
[21:17] <BurtyB> crystal ball time...
[21:17] <x3l3tric> Under "Libparted messages", it says that the partition has characteristics that would cause Windows to "not like it"
[21:17] <x3l3tric> Something like cluster size 2k, expected 1k
[21:17] <Tenkawa> ahhh
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[21:18] <x3l3tric> Sorry for not being specific earlier
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[21:19] <x3l3tric> exact error is "File system doesn't have expected sizes for Windows to like it"
[21:20] <x3l3tric> It's a fat16 partition. Any idea of what setting to change so it can continue?
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[21:20] <Tenkawa> are you going to run windows on it?
[21:20] <x3l3tric> No
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[21:20] <x3l3tric> The issue is that the card probably has a corrupt file system. I used NOOBS to install Raspbian a long time ago
[21:21] <Tenkawa> fsck it on a diff machine
[21:21] <x3l3tric> And I'm trying to run fsck on everything to try to get it working again
[21:21] <x3l3tric> What flags do I need to use? I tried to earlier but I don't think it did anything.
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[21:21] <Tenkawa> fsck -y /dev
[21:21] <Tenkawa> /dev/name
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[21:22] <x3l3tric> How long should it take to run? It ran almost instantaneously
[21:22] <Tenkawa> what size part
[21:23] <x3l3tric> output was "/dev/mmcblk0p5 74 files, 9965/30651 clusters"
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[21:23] <Tenkawa> thats all?
[21:23] <Tenkawa> and then it just hung?
[21:23] <x3l3tric> There was a line before that says "dosfsck3.0.12, 29 oct 2011, FAT32, LFN"
[21:23] <Tenkawa> got a diff linux box you can use to run fsck on it from?
[21:23] <x3l3tric> After it output the "/dev/mmcblk0p5" line, it went back to letting me put in a command, as if the previous command finished
[21:24] <Tenkawa> ahh
[21:24] <Tenkawa> well thats ok...
[21:24] <x3l3tric> I could try using a different livecd?
[21:24] <Tenkawa> no no..
[21:24] <Tenkawa> hold on a sec
[21:24] <Tenkawa> do a fdisk -l /dev/mmcblk0
[21:24] <Tenkawa> does that output ok without any errors?
[21:25] <x3l3tric> Seems to
[21:25] <x3l3tric> Outputs info on all of the partitions
[21:25] <Tenkawa> good..
[21:25] <Tenkawa> then whats the current problem?
[21:26] <Tenkawa> sounds all normal so far
[21:26] <x3l3tric> Problem is that my pi isn't booting. I shut it down using the wrong command "sudo shutdown now" and removed the card to do a backup after disconnecting power. Now it won't boot, and I think it's because there's a corrupted filesystem
[21:27] <x3l3tric> I'm running all of these commands from a Lubuntu LiveCD on my laptop, and communicating in the IRC from my desktop
[21:27] <Tenkawa> doubtful
[21:27] <x3l3tric> What do you think the issue is?
[21:27] <Tenkawa> ok mount up the /boot filesystem
[21:27] <Tenkawa> is there a kernel7.img with a filesize of not 0
[21:28] <Tenkawa> also look at cmdline.txt and config.txt ( I think )
[21:28] <Tenkawa> make sure they are syntaxed correctly
[21:28] <Tenkawa> may not have the filenames exact
[21:28] <x3l3tric> It doesn't seem to want to mount
[21:28] <Tenkawa> oh?
[21:28] <Tenkawa> error?
[21:29] <x3l3tric> I opened lubuntu's file manager, right clicked the "boot" volume, clicked "mount" and nothing happened.
[21:29] <Tenkawa> weird part is boot should be mmcblk0p1 usually
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[21:29] <Tenkawa> how many partitions does the card have?
[21:29] <x3l3tric> 6
[21:29] <Tenkawa> really???
[21:29] <x3l3tric> That's the highest mmcblk number
[21:30] <x3l3tric> I think GParted displayed like 5?
[21:30] <x3l3tric> There
[21:30] <x3l3tric> There's Recovery, Settings, Root, Boot
[21:30] <Tenkawa> thats not right
[21:30] <Tenkawa> ummm
[21:30] <Tenkawa> thats not a pi card
[21:30] <Tenkawa> thats a different card
[21:30] <x3l3tric> Well, I've been running it in a pi for the past 6 months, so...
[21:30] <Tenkawa> how did you create it>
[21:31] <x3l3tric> NOOBS
[21:31] <Tenkawa> i think its just pointing it at the wrong partition
[21:31] <Tenkawa> should be fixable
[21:31] <x3l3tric> One sec, let me show you a pic of what GParted shows
[21:31] <Tenkawa> i have no graphics'
[21:31] <Tenkawa> can you text output it to pastebin?
[21:31] <Tenkawa> I'm text only
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[21:32] <x3l3tric> I'll type it here.
[21:32] <Tenkawa> ok
[21:32] <x3l3tric> First is 4MiB of unallocated, then p1, a fat32 partition labeled RECOVERY that takes up 819.02MiB
[21:32] <Tenkawa> afk just for a sec,, refilling coffee
[21:33] <Tenkawa> i'll read it when i step back in
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[21:33] <x3l3tric> Next is p2, an extended that takes up 28.66GiB. In it is 4MiB of unallocated, then p5, a fat16 partition labeled boot that takes up 60 MiB, then 4 MiB of unallocated, then 28.6GiB for p6, labeled root
[21:34] <x3l3tric> Finally, p3, an ext4 partition called SETTINGS, that's 32.0 MiB
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[21:35] <Tenkawa> any of them set as bootable?
[21:35] <Tenkawa> back btw
[21:36] <x3l3tric> How can I check that?
[21:36] <Tenkawa> should output in gparted or fdisk
[21:36] <x3l3tric> the RECOVERY and boto partitions have the lba flag
[21:36] <x3l3tric> bot*
[21:36] <x3l3tric> boot**
[21:37] <Tenkawa> I'm just surprised to see boot up in an extended part
[21:37] <x3l3tric> Must be the way NOOBS did it. I didn't do that.
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[21:38] <x3l3tric> I did have to move some partitions around a bit when I went from a 16GB to 32GB SD Card, but IIRC I put everything back the way it was when I was done, other than resizing the root partition
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[21:39] <Tenkawa> x3l3tric: hmmmm
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[21:39] <x3l3tric> And it booted after I did that.
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[21:40] <Tenkawa> I just have this suspicion that your partition table order needs to be changed
[21:40] <x3l3tric> I'm pretty sure the issues I'm having now have something to do with the shutdown command I ran, I just don't know what.
[21:40] <x3l3tric> I even rebooted the pi like 2-3 days before all this started happening and it came back up just fine
[21:41] <Tenkawa> hmmm
[21:41] <x3l3tric> what happened exactly was I ran "sudo shutdown now"
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[21:41] <Tenkawa> did you fsck the other filesystems too from another box?
[21:41] <x3l3tric> No.
[21:41] <Tenkawa> yu should
[21:41] <Tenkawa> er you
[21:41] <x3l3tric> What do you mean?
[21:41] <Tenkawa> put them all in a clean state
[21:41] <Tenkawa> plug the card in
[21:41] <Tenkawa> fsck -y /dev/eachone
[21:42] <x3l3tric> I did fsck them, but not with thy -y flag
[21:42] <Tenkawa> use -f -y
[21:42] <x3l3tric> And I ran the "Check" option on all of them in GParted
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[21:42] <Tenkawa> just make sure they are clean
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[21:42] <x3l3tric> One sec, I'll go ahead and do that
[21:42] <Tenkawa> ok
[21:42] <Tenkawa> I'll be here heehee
[21:42] <Tenkawa> still here for at least 2 hours
[21:43] <Tenkawa> woohoo.. just fixed one of my tablets
[21:43] <al4nc4ds> hi guys
[21:43] <al4nc4ds> I have seen the poor support for UBOS project that is based on arch linux could inform me if someone uses it with the raspiberry Pi Zero ?
[21:43] <x3l3tric> Tenkawa, something actually happened with p6 this time
[21:44] <Tenkawa> oh?
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[21:44] <x3l3tric> The output is 119566/1872304 files (0.3% non-contiguous)
[21:44] <x3l3tric> It took longer to run than all of the others.
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[21:44] <Tenkawa> ok
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[21:44] <Tenkawa> try to boot it now
[21:44] <Tenkawa> let me know what happens
[21:44] <x3l3tric> Will do
[21:45] <Tenkawa> if it hangs i have a theory to try
[21:45] <x3l3tric> OK
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[21:46] <x3l3tric> Still hangs. Don't know if I've mentioned this, but after the Pi logo, the screen seems to strobe black for a few seconds before the monitor gives a "No Signal" display
[21:46] <Tenkawa> right
[21:46] <Tenkawa> ok
[21:47] <x3l3tric> It's like the backlight comes on, then off, then on again, over and over. Random timings too
[21:47] <Tenkawa> i have a test for you to run
[21:47] <x3l3tric> OK
[21:47] <Tenkawa> take that card..
[21:47] <Tenkawa> run fsck -y on each part on a diff box... are any of them not "clean" (without forcing)
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[21:48] <x3l3tric> I don't have another linux box. Do you want me to use a different livecd?
[21:48] <Solak> hmm, should I alter both config.txt and xorg.conf to get a higher resolution on the pi2?
[21:48] <Tenkawa> no.. livecd will be fine.. just wanted to make sure its as is
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[21:51] <x3l3tric> give me a sec, I need to restart the livecd
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[21:51] <Tenkawa> ok
[21:53] <x3l3tric> Do you happen to know anything about rtorrent, by chance?
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[21:53] <Solak> a higher resolution in X of course...
[21:53] <Tenkawa> nope
[21:53] <x3l3tric> The big issue is that, after my last backup, I installed rtorrent and loaded around 500 torrents that I don't feel like reloading, since each had a slightly different filepath
[21:53] <x3l3tric> If I could migrate the install of rtorrent over to my old backup, I'd be totally fine.
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[21:54] <Tenkawa> thats one area i know nothing about
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[21:55] <x3l3tric> OK, I'm ready. What do I need to run>
[21:55] <x3l3tric> It looks like I can mount the partitions now too, if needed.
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[21:56] <Tenkawa> dont mounyt
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[21:56] <Tenkawa> fsck them from command line without -f
[21:56] <Tenkawa> do they check or come up "clean"
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[21:57] <x3l3tric> What do you mean "clean"?
[21:57] <Tenkawa> it will give you output of clean if it doesnt need checked
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[21:57] <Tenkawa> without t he -f forcing it
[21:57] <x3l3tric> the word clean isn't on here
[21:58] <Tenkawa> hmmm
[21:58] <x3l3tric> it says "/dev/mmcblk0p2: 40 files, 95314/104729 clusters"
[21:58] <x3l3tric> That's for the RECOVERY partitio
[21:58] <x3l3tric> partition*
[21:58] <x3l3tric> should be p1, not p2
[21:58] <Tenkawa> thats my point
[21:58] <Tenkawa> you need to check those txt files
[21:59] <x3l3tric> So mount "boot"
[21:59] <Tenkawa> i think they are pointed to wrong partitions
[21:59] <Tenkawa> yes
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[22:00] <x3l3tric> What am I looking for? kernel7.img is here, 4.0MB
[22:01] <x3l3tric> I have config and cmdline open as well
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[22:02] <ShorTie> raspberry is setup up to boot from the 1st partition which has to be fat formatted
[22:02] <ShorTie> the rest canbe anywhere
[22:02] <x3l3tric> My first partition is the RECOVERY partition according to GParted
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[22:03] <ShorTie> well that isn't gonna work
[22:03] <Tenkawa> ShorTie: thats what i said
[22:03] <x3l3tric> It has for like the past 6 months
[22:03] <x3l3tric> Unless somehow backing up the SD card changed the partition order, the partitions have been this way for the past 6 months and the Pi has been operational 99% of that time
[22:04] <ShorTie> then you unkowing hacked the firmware .. :/~
[22:04] <tsunamie> owwww nooo. I installed kodi and restarted now there is just a flashing _ in the top left hand corner
[22:04] <tsunamie> whhhhy? What has happened
[22:04] <tsunamie> I got it working
[22:04] <tsunamie> I feel so conflickted
[22:04] <tsunamie> conflicted
[22:04] <x3l3tric> If it matters, I used NOOBS to install Raspbian
[22:05] <x3l3tric> It looks like now the extended partition, boot, root, and Settings all have keys by them in GParted, and I don't think those were there before
[22:06] <x3l3tric> Is there a way for me to move the boot partition out of the extended partition that it's in to switch it with the Recovery partition?
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[22:06] <x3l3tric> I can try reflashing the older backup that works to see what scheme that one's using
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[22:08] <bandou> hey guys how can I get libgnutls28 on my pi ?!
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[22:10] <ShorTie> apt-get install the package that has it
[22:11] <Encrypt> bandou, sudo apt-get install libgnutls28
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[22:12] <bandou> Encrypt, this is my result: E: Unable to locate package libgnutls28
[22:12] <Encrypt> Weird
[22:12] <Encrypt> It works for me
[22:13] <Encrypt> bandou, You have Debian Jessie maybe?
[22:13] <bandou> i use OSMC on PI, and want to install yowsup
[22:13] <Encrypt> I have wheezy
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[22:13] <Encrypt> Ah...
[22:13] <bandou> Yes jessie =(
[22:13] <bandou> that's my problem
[22:13] <bandou> tried to install python2.6 on it. doesn't work for me
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[22:14] <bandou> have to downgrade, but OSMC will be out-dated =/
[22:14] <ShorTie> apt-cache search it for proper name
[22:16] <x3l3tric> Tenkawa, any ideas?
[22:16] <bandou> ShotTie, this is what i get
[22:16] <bandou> osmc@osmc:~/python-axolotl-curve25519$ apt-cache search libgnutls28 libgnutls28-dbg - GNU TLS library - debugger symbols libgnutls28-dev - GNU TLS library - development files
[22:17] <Tenkawa> x3l3tric: oooh
[22:17] <Tenkawa> i did just have a thought
[22:17] <Tenkawa> can you use gparted to reassign the boot partition itself to #1?
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[22:17] <Tenkawa> then it should at least pick it up
[22:18] <ShorTie> if your compiling you need libgnutls28-dev
[22:18] <ShorTie> or just try that anyways
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[22:19] <x3l3tric> How would I do that?
[22:19] <Tenkawa> x3l3tric: in gparted cant you change it?
[22:19] <ShorTie> apt-get install libgnutls28-dev
[22:19] <x3l3tric> I don't know how
[22:20] <x3l3tric> ShorTie, I'm not compiling anything right now
[22:20] <Tenkawa> ShorTie: different person and q
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[22:20] <ShorTie> oops, me bad .. :/~
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[22:20] <Tenkawa> heehee
[22:21] <Tenkawa> it happens
[22:21] <x3l3tric> Tenkawa, how would I reassign it?
[22:21] <Tenkawa> x3l3tric: i dont use gparted
[22:21] <Tenkawa> I'd do it manually from fdisk
[22:21] <x3l3tric> How would I do it from fdisk?
[22:21] <Tenkawa> you need to know how to use fdisk
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[22:22] <x3l3tric> I don't :(
[22:22] <Tenkawa> you can wipe the card if not careful
[22:22] <x3l3tric> I have a full image backup of the card, so that wouldn't be the end of the world
[22:22] <bandou> cant compile it - every time the same failure =/ --> unable to execute 'arm-linux-gnueabihf-gcc': No such file or directory
[22:22] <Tenkawa> however in short explanation you'd take the one that has boot contents and delete part1 and create a new part 1 with boots start,end,size,and type
[22:23] <Tenkawa> bandou: you are missing the compiler itself
[22:23] <x3l3tric> Oh.
[22:23] <x3l3tric> How long will you be here/when will you come back?
[22:23] <Tenkawa> I'm still here for a while
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[22:24] <Tenkawa> bandou: did you apt-get install build-essential?
[22:25] <selckin> anyone here use pi2 as plex player?
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[22:25] <x3l3tric> Let me try something else real quick. If I can migrate my rtorrent install over, everything will be fine
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[22:26] <Tenkawa> ok
[22:27] <Tenkawa> yay.... fixed one of my tablets
[22:27] <Tenkawa> (windows 10 mind you)
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[22:27] <x3l3tric> Hope you like that botnet
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[22:27] <Tenkawa> haahaa
[22:28] <bandou> Tenkawa:yes i do
[22:28] <bandou> need to install this on my OSMC https://github.com/tgalal/python-axolotl-curve25519
[22:28] <bandou> run jessie Debian
[22:28] <bandou> and get everytime the same problem
[22:28] <Tenkawa> bandou: that error is the compiler itself missing
[22:29] <Tenkawa> try apt-get install gcc-arm-linux-gnueabihf
[22:29] <Tenkawa> what happens?
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[22:30] <ShorTie> alot of those media center images do not come with stuff to compile stuff
[22:30] <x3l3tric> Hell, if all else fails, I can just keep reflashing the new backup and grab whatever rtorrent files I need, then flash the working backup to get everything working
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[22:33] <bandou> Tenkawa: tryed allready cant find this package
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[22:33] <Tenkawa> did you run apt-get update first?
[22:34] <bandou> yeah
[22:34] <Tenkawa> are you trying this on the arm box itself?
[22:34] <Tenkawa> let me check the package set
[22:34] <jamesl> What Linux distribution should I run on my Raspberry pi Zero? All it has to do is run a python script (or two) at startup, and be very minimal.
[22:34] <bandou> yes i am on my pi via ssh
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[22:35] <Tenkawa> I see it in gcc gcc-4.8 gcc-4.9 gcc-5 on debian too
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[22:36] <jamesl> Should I just use Debian and delete almost everything?
[22:36] <Tenkawa> jamesl: i use raspbian on mine
[22:37] <jamesl> Tenkawa: but which distro is the most minimal? Arch Linux?
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[22:38] <Tenkawa> they can all mostly be made faurly minimal with tuning
[22:39] <jamesl> yeah, but apparently somebody made this SD card image that was like 22mb? And it did only the stuff he wanted it to do.
[22:39] <Tenkawa> er fairly
[22:39] <Tenkawa> ahh
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[22:40] <bandou> i also do apt-cache search gnueabihf
[22:40] <bandou> nothing ... there
[22:40] <Tenkawa> just a sec
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[22:42] <ShorTie> check your sources.list, the 1 in there may not have gcc
[22:42] <Tenkawa> umm your cache is out of date if apt-cache show gcc-arm-linux-gnueabihf comes up blank
[22:42] <Tenkawa> ShorTie: its listed in the main pool
[22:42] <Tenkawa> on my box
[22:42] <Tenkawa> bandou: raspbian or debian
[22:42] * Tenkawa uses debian
[22:43] <bandou> debian
[22:43] <bandou> but i think i get it
[22:43] <bandou> https://wiki.debian.org/CrossToolchains
[22:43] <bandou> is there my information?!
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[22:43] <Tenkawa> if you are natively running from the arm box its not a crosschain
[22:44] <Tenkawa> or are you doing this from a x86?
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[22:45] <darkdrgn2k> how can i install apk on a raspberypi A without a network adapter
[22:45] <bandou> no i run it on my pi
[22:45] <Tenkawa> bandou: then something in sources.list is definitely not right
[22:46] <ShorTie> media center images are not normal, lol.
[22:47] <ShorTie> you might have to add debian in
[22:47] <Tenkawa> indeed
[22:47] <bandou> i add some sources now
[22:47] <bandou> from debian
[22:47] <bandou> hope that fixing my problem
[22:47] <Tenkawa> ahhh
[22:48] <Tenkawa> it should if they werent there
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[22:51] <bandou> The following packages have unmet dependencies: gcc-arm-linux-gnueabihf : Depends: gcc-4.9-arm-linux-gnueabihf (>= 4.9.2-10) but it is not installable
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[22:51] <bandou> now i can find my missing package
[22:51] <bandou> but still get this : The following packages have unmet dependencies: gcc-arm-linux-gnueabihf : Depends: gcc-4.9-arm-linux-gnueabihf (>= 4.9.2-10) but it is not installable
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[23:01] <bandou> Someone an idea to solve: gcc-arm-linux-gnueabihf : Depends: gcc-4.9-arm-linux-gnueabihf (>= 4.9.2-10) but it is not installable
[23:02] <Tenkawa> did you an apt-get update
[23:02] <ShorTie> try just installing gcc
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[23:02] <ShorTie> that 2 ^^^
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[23:12] <bandou> It's in progress
[23:12] <Tenkawa> ahh did that fix it?
[23:12] <bandou> i hope so
[23:13] <bandou> my model b pi is no so fast :P
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[23:16] <bandou> gcc is now on my system
[23:16] <bandou> but
[23:16] <bandou> still get this
[23:16] <bandou> The following packages have unmet dependencies: gcc-arm-linux-gnueabihf : Depends: gcc-4.9-arm-linux-gnueabihf (>= 4.9.2-10) but it is not installable E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages.
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[23:17] <Tenkawa> run apt-get upgrade
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[23:17] <bandou> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[23:17] <bandou> done
[23:18] <Tenkawa> well shoot... the held package message is bothering me
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[23:19] <bandou> I think my project gone wrone and it's time to give up :D
[23:19] <bandou> and search an other one ^^
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[23:20] <bandou> here are my border, i can't pass it ^^
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[23:26] <Kitt3n> Tenkawa, "apt-get install -f" should fix the dependency hell
[23:26] <Tenkawa> yes
[23:26] <bandou> i try it allready
[23:26] <bandou> :D
[23:26] <Tenkawa> i agree
[23:26] <Tenkawa> no luck?
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[23:27] <Myrtti> bandou: did it work then?
[23:27] <Tenkawa> sounds like the sources are still out of sync
[23:27] <bandou> my luck was to be able to install gcc then
[23:27] <bandou> but not more
[23:27] <bandou> osmc@osmc:~$ sudo apt-get install -f Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree Reading state information... Done 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[23:27] <Kitt3n> Tenkawa, OH, derp, meant that for bando-u. :)
[23:28] <Tenkawa> Kitt3n: no problem
[23:28] <bandou> ty Kitt3n, get it ;)
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[23:28] <Tenkawa> bandou: do a dpkg -l | grep gcc | grep eabihf
[23:28] <ShorTie> pastebin your sources.list maybe
[23:28] <bandou> i was trying it by myself
[23:28] <Tenkawa> anything?
[23:28] <Kitt3n> bandou, try remove the gcc-arm-linux-gnueabihf package
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[23:28] <bandou> it isn't on my system ;)
[23:29] <bandou> can't get it
[23:29] <bandou> Tenkawa: i get no information from grep
[23:29] <Kitt3n> have you run apt-get uodate?
[23:29] <bandou> so grep can't find gcc ?!
[23:29] <Kitt3n> update*
[23:30] <ShorTie> what does 'uname -a' say about the arm version, 6 or 7 ??
[23:30] <bandou> Linux osmc 4.3.3-3-osmc #1 PREEMPT Sat Jan 2 00:55:57 UTC 2016 armv6l GNU/Linux
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[23:30] <bandou> so 6
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[23:31] <ShorTie> ok, so what did you add to sources.list ??
[23:31] <bandou> deb http://emdebian.org/tools/debian/ jessie main
[23:31] <bandou> may this is my prob?!
[23:31] <bandou> wrong source?
[23:31] <Tenkawa> oh
[23:31] <Kitt3n> bandou, what distro are you running? O_o
[23:31] <Tenkawa> thats not regular debian
[23:31] <buZz> why do you want to install emdebian on raspberrypi?
[23:32] <ShorTie> you need to use the foundations because it is the only armv6 sources
[23:32] <bandou> xD F***
[23:32] <bandou> i should drink more water!!!
[23:32] <bandou> my brain switched off :D
[23:32] <ShorTie> just use smaller ice cubes
[23:32] <Tenkawa> ShorTie: thanks for catching that... I'm so use to armv7 now
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[23:35] <bandou> Hmm can't find the foundations source adress =/
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[23:36] <Tenkawa> just a sec
[23:36] <bandou> https://www.raspbian.org/RaspbianRepository
[23:36] <Tenkawa> doh
[23:36] <bandou> this ?
[23:36] <Tenkawa> I dont have it
[23:37] <ShorTie> http=http://mirrordirector.raspbian.org/raspbian/
[23:38] <bandou> ty
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[23:41] <ShorTie> i'd becareful on what apt-get upgrade does as it might break that image
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[23:42] <Tenkawa> yay I can carry fewer computers now :)
[23:42] <Tenkawa> haahaa
[23:43] <buZz> noooo
[23:43] <buZz> MORE computers
[23:43] * buZz stuffs Tenkawa's clothes with sewn-in zeros
[23:43] <Tenkawa> buZz: haahaa I was carrying around way too many
[23:43] <buZz> NEVER TOO MANY
[23:43] * buZz shakes sense into Tenkawa
[23:43] <Tenkawa> well those wouold be neat
[23:43] <buZz> yes
[23:43] <Tenkawa> I'm talking full size laptops/tablets
[23:43] <buZz> you need a 64 core jacket
[23:43] <Tenkawa> haahaa
[23:44] <buZz> with 1 ws2821 per core
[23:44] <buZz> :P
[23:44] <Tenkawa> one of these days you know someone will build that
[23:44] <buZz> ;)
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[23:44] <Tenkawa> make a data acquisition jacket/shirt for runners
[23:44] <Tenkawa> that would be a neat use
[23:45] <buZz> ez pz
[23:45] <Tenkawa> powring it might be tough
[23:45] <buZz> nah
[23:45] <buZz> adafruit powerboost + some lipo
[23:45] <buZz> done
[23:45] <sesquipedalian> what kind of cooling will my rasp pi need if I want it to constantly read video files and display it through hdmi for a long time
[23:45] <Tenkawa> ahhh
[23:45] <bandou> None cooling ;)
[23:45] <gordonDrogon> easier & lighter with an atmega & sensors ... runners might appreciate that...
[23:46] <buZz> zero is light enough
[23:46] <gordonDrogon> there's all these 'smart watches' these days anyway...
[23:46] <buZz> hardly more than a arduino pro mini
[23:47] <gordonDrogon> might need an SPI eeprom - depending on quantity of data being stored for later upload, etc.
[23:47] <buZz> 512kb SPI eeprom weighs more than a 32gb microsd card ;)
[23:48] <gordonDrogon> thinking more of the battery really - a tiny Lipo for an atmega for days vs. minutes on a Pi..
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[23:50] <sesquipedalian> pi zero doesn't have usb?
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[23:50] <sesquipedalian> doesn't have ethernet? wat
[23:51] <Chillum> it has usb
[23:51] <Chillum> just a micro port instead of full sized
[23:51] <buZz> yeah, otg
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[23:51] <sesquipedalian> >_>
[23:51] <buZz> sesquipedalian: its a challenge ;) if you want more connectivity you could get a raspi compute module
[23:51] <buZz> it has more connections
[23:52] <sesquipedalian> I already ordered 5 rasp 2's o_o
[23:52] <buZz> i have 2
[23:52] <Encrypt> sesquipedalian, And you can add ethernet thanks to the Google Chromecast Ethernet Adapter :p
[23:52] <buZz> if you dont want them , i'll take em from you ;)
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[23:52] <sesquipedalian> but the zeros I could order buckets of them and give them all wireless capability. and then do fun things
[23:52] <buZz> Encrypt: and there is a esp8266 hack to make it work on SDIO with esp8089 linux driver :D
[23:52] <buZz> so cheap, easy wifi
[23:52] <buZz> :)
[23:52] <buZz> cheap++
[23:53] <buZz> easy++
[23:53] <Encrypt> I didn't know :D
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[23:53] <sesquipedalian> ooo I could use one of my rasp pi's as backup storage server
[23:53] <buZz> Encrypt: https://hackaday.io/project/8678-rpi-wifi-hat
[23:53] <buZz> ah seems his boards are in :P
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[23:54] <Encrypt> Thanks :)
[23:54] <buZz> bad thing; they cant produce them
[23:54] <buZz> :/
[23:55] <buZz> guess we gotta get our hack on
[23:55] <bandou> osmc@osmc:~$ sudo apt-get install gcc-arm-linux-gnueabihf Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree Reading state information... Done E: Unable to locate package gcc-arm-linux-gnueabihf
[23:55] <Encrypt> Oshpark <3
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[23:55] <bandou> I just give up ;) - yasup2 on OSMC won't run
[23:55] <buZz> toasterovenreflowing++
[23:55] <Encrypt> That's a fabulous company if you want clean, shiny PCBs
[23:56] <buZz> seeed is cheaper though
[23:56] <buZz> and also high quality
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[23:56] <buZz> and dirtypcbs if you want cheap and dont care about how it looks :P
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[23:56] <buZz> 28 usd at dirtypcbs gets you -40- rpi zero sized boards :D
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[23:56] <buZz> well, ~40
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[23:59] <Tenkawa> bbl
[23:59] <Tenkawa> cheers al
[23:59] <Tenkawa> all
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[23:59] <buZz> bon njuit
[23:59] <buZz> -j
[23:59] <sesquipedalian> hmm is rasbian really that different from other linux distros. Like archlinux

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