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IRC Log for 2016-01-08

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[0:00] <sesquipedalian> I would prefer archlinux :|
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[0:01] <x3l3tric> There's an arch release for the pi
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[0:01] <Chillum> it is very debiany
[0:01] <Chillum> raspbian that is
[0:01] <x3l3tric> Not sure what you mean by "debiany", I'm not the best with Linux stuff. But from what I understand, it's Debian optimized for the Pi
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[0:07] <bandou> Thank u again a lot for ur help
[0:07] <x3l3tric> Oh joy. Deluge has to recheck 152 torrents before it's operational.
[0:08] <ShorTie> and then there is tomorrow .. :/~
[0:08] <bandou> i still see no way to realize Yowsup 2 on my OSMC jessie Debian on my pi b (rev 2) arm6
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[0:17] <bandou> I've a question. What's your fav lakka.tv, retropie or recalbox os ? For emulation and gaming on rspi ?!
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[0:48] <stickperson> i have some files on my hdd connected to my pi. what’s the quickest way for me to transfer them to my computer over wifi? scp or would setting up a webserver on my pi and using curl/wget be quicker?
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[0:50] <methuzla> scp
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[0:54] <stickperson> methuzla: any way to speed scp up? relatively small files (4 gigs or so) are taking about 30 minutes to transfer
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[0:55] <methuzla> improve the quality of your wifi connection
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[1:01] <peetbog> stickperson: System Monitor, center resources tab. what is your transfer speed and is it flat or curvy?
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[1:02] <peetbog> oops, you likely don't have system monitor. that is os specific. which os stickperson?
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[1:05] <stickperson> client is osx
[1:05] <stickperson> pi is running raspbian
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[1:09] <peetbog> ok, network speed may be easier to monitor in osx. There should be a graphics display of that somewhere.
[1:09] <peetbog> cury display means bad connection. Flatline is you are as good as you can get with that hardware chain.
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[1:12] <stickperson> peetbog: alright. i probably should have asked this when i was home, ha
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[1:14] <BurtyB> stickperson, you might also be cpu bound as compression is cpu hungry (changing scp to use arcfour would help if you don't need to worry about poor encryption)
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[1:14] <peetbog> there really is not much overhead between cp and scp. that is not the issue. wifi is a whole lot slower than ethernet. and a local lan I can get the full bandwidth that the pi uses for usb.
[1:15] <BurtyB> peetbog, you obviously have a different cpu than me
[1:15] <peetbog> well I am playing with the zero today. the cpu is so much faster than the usb it is amazing.
[1:18] <pyroxide> bought a netgear N300 router today at an estate sale for 3 bucks. cheap access point that i needed
[1:18] <devster31> I was thinking about switching from raspbian to something smaller, what other os are available for the pi? model B first generation, possibly smaller than 512Mb installed
[1:19] <pyroxide> ArchLinux ARM is a good candidate
[1:19] <traeak> void linux
[1:19] <pyroxide> if you are a control freak
[1:19] <traeak> kills systemd so you have more control
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[1:20] <pyroxide> > implying systemd can't be controlled
[1:20] <Macgyver0> lol systemd is garbage. What's wrong with a simple rc.local
[1:20] <traeak> still need some init()
[1:21] <peetbog> just benchmarked the zero. sd chip is at write of 5.1mb/s, read of 16mb/s. ram is at write of 188mb/s, read of 211 mb/s
[1:21] <devster31> void linux seems interesting, very interesting
[1:21] <devster31> xbps commands look like pacman
[1:21] <traeak> http://orthovistanow.com/barepi.png
[1:22] <traeak> there's my bare htop with a couple things added
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[1:22] <non-sense> hobbiest here, just got my pi2 in
[1:22] <traeak> pid 1 is 4k
[1:22] <traeak> i should kill those extra agettys since i ssh into it
[1:23] <devster31> ouch, seems rpi 1 isn't officially supported
[1:23] <traeak> there's an rpi1 build
[1:23] <Macgyver0> lol yeah you might need that extra 300k of ram for JAVA or something silly
[1:23] <traeak> http://www.voidlinux.eu/download/#download-ready-to-boot-images-for-arm
[1:23] <traeak> armv6 is there
[1:24] <traeak> how much is pid 1 with systemd?
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[1:24] <peetbog> devster31: If you want a debian os that is lighter than raspbian then try dietpi.com
[1:25] <traeak> that webpage blows majorly
[1:25] <traeak> i mean beyonde majorly
[1:25] <Macgyver0> traeak: deb7.8 1 root 20 0 2148 1376 1272 S 0.0 0.3 0:11.87 init
[1:26] <peetbog> I had nothing to do with it or the os. I don't mind the os though.
[1:26] <pyroxide> lol it's web3.0
[1:26] <devster31> I did try dietpi, but it seemed way too opinionated, the most annoying thing are custom scripts, it's a good effort though, but I wouldn't know how to cross compile it using his instructions
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[1:27] <peetbog> yes, my first stop was "apt-get install synaptic"
[1:27] <traeak> Macgyver0: not as bad as x86 but still pretty fat
[1:28] <pyroxide> i just farted
[1:28] <peetbog> I could tell
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[1:29] <traeak> on my workstation here running arch systemd is 5MB ram resident
[1:31] <devster31> yep, void seems good, is it runit based? it seems at least...
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[1:31] <traeak> yes it is
[1:32] <traeak> so has process supervision
[1:32] <traeak> a bit nicer than sysvinit once you figure it out
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[1:34] <pyroxide> PWM LED control is sexy
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[1:42] <devster31> one question though, why does everyone hate systemd?
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[1:47] <traeak> overengineered and ver yheavyweight for just a damn init system
[1:47] <Macgyver0> its bloat, its a change. pain in ass. stoopid for embeded system especially
[1:48] <Macgyver0> like having to remove WDM on jessie, lol WTF
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[1:49] <CarlFK> raspberian, how do I figure out what package contains gst-launch?
[1:49] <Macgyver0> because more than 10% of people actually use and boot into X on a machine slower than a PII 233... I guess you can run xcalc and tail a few logs at same time
[1:50] <traeak> for embedded, yeah, most stuff is overkill
[1:50] <CarlFK> pi@raspberrypi ~ $ dpkg -S gst-launch
[1:50] <CarlFK> dpkg-query: no path found matching pattern *gst-launch*
[1:50] <pyroxide> google?
[1:50] <traeak> void linux works just fine on my laptop though
[1:50] <traeak> a couple of them
[1:50] <traeak> its much closer to the metal as they might say
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[1:51] <pyroxide> i have all my musc on network mount and clementine just updated my library without having my share mounted.
[1:52] <pyroxide> luckily there is an option of disable that auto-update feature
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[2:02] <devster31> just found http://suckless.org/ and boy it destroys basically every software commonly used in linux distros
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[2:11] <ppq> devster31, http://bad.solutions/
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[2:14] <merrick`> is the canakit ultimate starter kit bundle available on amazon a good start for someone who has linux experience and just wants to mess around with a pi? it comes with a breadboard and LEDs and stuff (very little experience with breadboards myself)
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[2:17] <devster31> why does that link point to oracle?
[2:17] <ppq> merrick`, if you already have linux experience and a linux computer, no. the pi only is the latter nothing less and nothing more, frustratingly slow at that. if you want to tinker with hardware, get a cheap arduino mega clone for like 10 bucks and start building cool things
[2:17] <ppq> devster31, that's the joke :P
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[2:22] <merrick`> ppq: that's just it, haven't messed with linux for a while, and i dont want another tower dedicated to just messing around with hobby stuff. can you recommend a good place for me to digest some info on getting a cheap arduino mega clone and what that is/entails/i can do with it?
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[2:25] <merrick`> I guess googling a bit would help before i spout off hah
[2:25] <ppq> merrick`, depends where you need it shipped to. it's a very generic product. just a board that is a copy of the artduino mega. it has an atmega 2560 microcontroller, *lots* of gpio (and some specialized) pins and a usb interface to connect to a pc. they are compatible with the arduino IDE, a software development environment for very simplified C code
[2:26] <ppq> of course you can just get any microcontroller, but this way you can profit a lot from the arduino docs/community
[2:27] <ppq> the arduino is for microcontrollers what ubuntu is for linux
[2:27] <ppq> or the rpi, in fact
[2:28] <merrick`> I'm not a coder at heart, although I enjoy some lighter coding type stuff (bash/tcl/scripting blah). For someone that has setup things from mailservers/irc servers/apache/LAMP stacks etc, you suggest skipping the PI, building a cheap ass small linux box, and diving into arduino stuff?
[2:30] <merrick`> I can probably even snag an old crappy i3 lenovo from work or something..hmm.
[2:30] <ppq> merrick`, the way i understand it, you want to play with electronic circuits, right? if that is the case, yes, better get something like an arduino
[2:31] <merrick`> I just want to play period, but yeah, electronic circuits would be new to me..I guess if i went that route i'd have way more "room" to play eh..
[2:31] <ppq> i have a pi but it lives in some "misc." box now. for "a cheap ass small linux box" i use a HP chromebox with x86 cpu
[2:32] <merrick`> The form factor was appealing at first, but the more I think about it the less likely I'm really going to toss my mini projector and raspberry pi in my pocket and use it anywhere.
[2:32] <ppq> pi is just too limited when it comes to hardware. no real pwm, slow cpu, not enough ram for bigger things, really slow ehternet, etc.
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[2:33] <ppq> it's great as an entry-level computer for people who have never used linux but that's about it, IMHO
[2:33] <merrick`> The more you talk about pi, the more I feel like I'm going to be limited...thanks for the insight!
[2:34] <merrick`> Every review just raves about it, I needed the grounding.
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[2:34] <Tenkawa> it all depends on what you want to do
[2:34] <ppq> absolutely
[2:34] <Tenkawa> the pi 2 can be a very powerful unit for some things
[2:34] <ppq> also, the best thing about the pi is the extensive documentation/community
[2:35] <Tenkawa> I'm actually finding a lot of potential projects with the pi zero
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[2:35] <ozzzy> I've always had a hard time finding Pi projects
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[2:36] <Tenkawa> ozzzy: in the last 2 days I found 2 potential projects just from people observing me using the unit
[2:36] <Tenkawa> they saw it and started asking questions
[2:36] <ozzzy> most of what I think up are better done on an arduino
[2:37] <merrick`> I'm assuming most projects you're finding using the PI are because of the size/price advantage the PI has?
[2:37] <Tenkawa> merrick`: size, price, and "flexibility"
[2:37] <methuzla> that and hardware access
[2:37] <Tenkawa> methuzla: indeed
[2:37] <brianx> ozzzy: current pi projects are a battery backup for the pi and the router it connects to. and weechat plus local irc server.
[2:38] <Tenkawa> brianx: an ircd on a pi... hmm now that I'd really like to have had when I use to run irc servers
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[2:38] <ozzzy> yeah.. I had a web/ftp server and a dns server... but as my main machine runs 24/7 it didn't make much sens
[2:38] <Tenkawa> a single pi2 wouldve made one heck of a hub server
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[2:38] <Tenkawa> brb... switching my login
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[2:38] <brianx> been using weechat on a classic b, so part way there.
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[2:39] <Tenkawa> there.. thats better
[2:39] <ppq> btw, plastic (soho) routers that are supported by openwrt and the like are great for many things a pi is used for, like irc bouncers or very basic file servers
[2:40] <devster31> never thought about the potential to use it as irssi/weechat server, that's actually a good idea
[2:40] <methuzla> merrick` "I just want to play period" <- buy one of each: arduino uno and raspberry pi
[2:40] <brianx> ozzzy: what about things that dislike reboots? the pi does less so it gets booted less often.
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[2:41] <brianx> devster31: i host half a dozen users on it. works well.
[2:41] <ozzzy> the only time this gets rebooted is when MS decides to push in an update
[2:42] <brianx> ozzzy: heh. so uptime sucks. :-(
[2:42] <ozzzy> I don't worry about uptime
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[2:42] <brianx> had a power failure about a month back. had been awhile before that.
[2:42] <devster31> brianx: do you have znc too there or just the irc client with tmux/screen?
[2:43] <merrick`> at this point I dont think the size or price point on the PI matters to me, the only things that seem neat (not sure if i'd use them) are the pin out thing and maybe the documentation on the hardware(?) I can see using something from a lenovo where it'd be lacking in the driver department or something...
[2:43] <ozzzy> even when I ran linux I had all kernel updates blocked... so the uptime was huge
[2:43] <brianx> devster31: tmux and weechat, no znc. weechat is a proxy.
[2:43] <ozzzy> it only needed a restart once in a blue moon when libc was updated
[2:44] <ozzzy> but... I don't do linux anymore
[2:44] <brianx> ozzzy: exactly.
[2:44] * brianx looks at the channel name...
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[2:44] <ozzzy> yep
[2:44] <ozzzy> I keep hoping to see something I can do with this Pi2 [grin]
[2:44] <brianx> are you one of the 7 people who uses win10iot?
[2:44] <ozzzy> no
[2:44] <methuzla> merrick` does your lenovo have i2c, spi, and gpio pins readily available ?
[2:45] <ozzzy> it's a waste of time
[2:45] <brianx> agreed.
[2:45] <merrick`> methuzla: no. those are reasons why I may want to start with the pi/arduino deal.
[2:45] <ozzzy> I have a little 12v computer to ride my telescope mount that runs Windows and
[2:45] <ozzzy> ASCOM
[2:47] <brianx> i guess there isn't much win and arduino can't do between them.
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[2:49] <ozzzy> win is just another OS.... I consider operating systems as 'plumbing'.... applications rule
[2:49] <brianx> someday i hope to be able to put the desktop to sleep when i'm not at it. the pi's would take over the jobs that keep running.
[2:49] <ozzzy> brianx, that would be neat
[2:49] <ozzzy> you could ping the desktop to see if it's awake
[2:50] <brianx> agreed. i prefer linux but have no issues with win except maybe the update process you mention.
[2:51] <ozzzy> I ran linux as my only OS for many years... but when I got into astrophotography I switched to Windows.... just for ASCOM
[2:51] <ozzzy> there's no viable linux replacement
[2:51] <ozzzy> I used HP/UX and QNX at work.... Linux and XP at home (netbook you know)... and at times UnixWare
[2:52] <ozzzy> oh... and when I had the PDP11 in the basement I ran other stuff
[2:52] <brianx> the desktop being awake wouldn't say i'm home or something. i use vnc from elsewhere but boot from sleep is fast.
[2:53] <brianx> i imagine that pdp11 used enough electricity for a small subdivision. lol
[2:53] <ozzzy> my laptop has some wonky Acer thing... it boots in about 5 seconds
[2:53] <ozzzy> brianx, pretty much
[2:53] <brianx> nice
[2:53] <ozzzy> I had a Wang 2200MVP too... but it went to the local museum
[2:53] <brianx> and ouch to electricity
[2:54] <ozzzy> I had a Decwriter and 4 serial terminals
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[2:54] <ozzzy> the missus hated the power bill
[2:55] <brianx> i imagine.
[2:55] <ozzzy> the Wang had 120K of ram.... 120K
[2:55] <ozzzy> LOL
[2:55] <ozzzy> partitioned 2 ways
[2:55] <ozzzy> one for applications and one for BASIC
[2:56] <ozzzy> the 4 terminals could share it nicely
[2:56] <ppq> merrick`, this is what i was talking about earlier http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00OH21CRM/
[2:57] <brianx> wow, big.
[2:57] <ozzzy> I get them from eBay
[2:57] <ozzzy> with CH340 chips
[2:58] <brianx> having worked in 1k...
[2:58] <ozzzy> they work great
[3:00] * Tenkawa thinks about the 4k of ram days
[3:00] <Tenkawa> 16k upgrade was amazing
[3:00] <Tenkawa> and so on and so forth
[3:00] <Tenkawa> heheh
[3:00] * methuzla thinks about pre-core memory days
[3:01] <Tenkawa> heheh
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[3:08] <merrick`> thanks ppq, bookmarked :)
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[3:26] <shinji257> http://www.computerworld.com/article/2534312/operating-systems/the--640k--quote-won-t-go-away----but-did-gates-really-say-it-.html
[3:27] <shinji257> I still wonder if he ever actually said that.
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[3:47] <brianx> not like it's relevant anymore. we don't have a 640k limit.
[3:49] <ozzzy> who'd need more than 640JK
[3:49] <ozzzy> er... K
[3:50] <brianx> not like 2K of ram isn't enough.
[3:51] <ozzzy> works for Arduino [grin]
[3:52] <brianx> it does.
[3:52] <brianx> and so far i've not run out.
[3:52] <ozzzy> I had to work hard on the intervalometer... but eventually I got it to run on a 328P
[3:54] <brianx> don't remember that project, but we only met a few months ago.
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[3:55] <ozzzy> well.. the REAL project is at www.togastro.com
[3:55] <ozzzy> the 'open source' versions don't have as much bells/whistles
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[3:59] <brianx> cool.
[4:00] * ozzzy has had to build a pile of those
[4:00] <ozzzy> and more lightening detectors [sigh]
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[4:02] <brianx> doing some photographs of lightning?
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[4:03] <ozzzy> lots of people do
[4:03] <ozzzy> LOL
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[4:04] <ozzzy> they're our biggest seller
[4:04] <brianx> is that your company?
[4:04] <ozzzy> yep
[4:04] <brianx> nice. didn't know.
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[4:57] <pyroxide> ant-man gud movie
[5:00] <ppq> nah
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[5:10] <brianx> it was mindless distraction. not bad.
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[5:13] <ppq> the last good movie i saw was "the man from u.n.c.l.e"
[5:14] * ozzzy has the tv show.... all of them
[5:16] <ShapeShifter499> Chillum:hi
[5:16] <ShapeShifter499> oops
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[5:16] <ShapeShifter499> hit the flipping tap
[5:16] <Chillum> hi
[5:16] <ShapeShifter499> *tab
[5:16] <ShapeShifter499> ....
[5:16] <ShapeShifter499> Chillum: er hi, sorry for the highlight
[5:16] <ShapeShifter499> xD
[5:16] <Chillum> anytime I can see my name in lights is good
[5:17] <ShapeShifter499> anyways does anyone know the absolute max amount of amps I could shove into my Pi Zero before there is smoke?
[5:17] <ppq> ozzzy, yea at the time it was good entertainment
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[5:17] <ShapeShifter499> I plugged in a 5v 2amp plug without even making sure.... nothing caught on fire but still I'd like to be on the safe side
[5:18] <ppq> ShapeShifter499, there is no way to shove amps into anything
[5:18] <ppq> either it will draw the current or it will not
[5:18] <ppq> totally depending on the resistance
[5:19] <ppq> so it's impossible to "oversize" the power supply, current-wise
[5:19] <ppq> as long as the voltage is right and it provides enough current (=power) you're fine
[5:20] <ShapeShifter499> alright
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[5:25] <peetbog> well there is ways to shove amps into things but a pi is not one of those things.
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[5:46] <shantorn> has anyone worked with the piglow and if so where would be a good place to learn about it?
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[6:12] <Xark> shantorn: I have not, but did you get the sample code on the main page -> https://shop.pimoroni.com/products/piglow
[6:13] <Xark> (and https://github.com/pimoroni/piglow )
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[6:13] <lyonsport> hello
[6:15] <lyonsport> I was wondering if my pi's screen looking like this http://i.imgur.com/1CWgP4C.jpeg, could be indicative of a defective unit
[6:16] <shantorn> Xark, thank you and looking now
[6:19] <CarlFK> lyonsport: that looks more like the wrong video driver
[6:20] <lyonsport> I guess I will try a different image
[6:20] <Xark> shantorn: Does the text on bootup look weird too? Have you double checked the cable is seated properly?
[6:20] <Xark> Er ^ lyonsport
[6:22] <lyonsport> I have tried 2 different cables. one only works in one direction, which doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me
[6:27] <CarlFK> lyonsport: I have some cables that are one direction
[6:28] <lyonsport> Hmm. Well I just unplugged my xbox, and plugged in the pi. The distortion is worse.
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[6:47] <[Saint]> sudo rpi-update; sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get dist-upgrade; sudo apt-get autoremove; sudo apt-get autoclean; sudo /etc/kernel/postinst.d/initramfs-tools $(uname -r)
[6:47] <[Saint]> bah - whoops.
[6:47] <[Saint]> :-/
[6:47] <[Saint]> Man, I always do that.
[6:50] <Berg> whoops
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[7:02] <[Saint]> "update ALL THE THINGS"
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[7:20] <samsayz> helloo
[7:20] <samsayz> i bought one of those cheap external usb batteries
[7:20] <samsayz> is there a way on the pi i can tell how much power i left on it?
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[8:24] <pigrit> sup
[8:24] <pigrit> just leaving this here in case someone has a clue - https://github.com/kivy/kivent/issues/92
[8:24] <AiGreek> hello pigrit
[8:24] <pigrit> (and uses kivent)
[8:25] <pigrit> hey
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[8:29] <dgriffi> What happened to the mech drawings of the V1 pi?
[8:30] <dgriffi> I keep finding what is labeled as a V1 mech drawing turning out to be that of the V2.
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[8:33] <irc_smirk> question
[8:33] <irc_smirk> how small could pi zero be if they removed the gpio holes
[8:33] <irc_smirk> i think it could look as small as this https://cdn.sparkfun.com//assets/parts/7/0/8/6/11360-Inside.jpg
[8:37] <Chillum> ya, I use the GPIO like 10% of the time when I use a pi
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[8:38] <Chillum> they could make them castellations on the edge
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[8:45] <dgriffi> anyone here know where I can find mech drawings for the first version of the Pi? Google is just showing me drawings of the second version.
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[8:49] <dgriffi> is anyone even here?
[8:49] <pigrit> sometimes (hasn't logged off irc in a week)
[8:50] <irc_smirk> hello
[8:50] <dgriffi> how is it that the mech drawings for the old B model have vanished??!?!
[8:50] <Macgyver0> use a sharpie and peice of papyrus
[8:50] <pigrit> how do I know ?!?!?
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[8:51] <irc_smirk> Chillum - i think majority dont use gpio holes
[8:51] <Macgyver0> no need to get all autocad and allat on EOL hardware
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[8:52] <Chillum> It it nice for accessories, but the lack of real-time makes them ill suited for lots of applications
[8:52] <dgriffi> I'm making a daughterboard and I want to make sure it will neatly fit the B and the v2.
[8:52] <Chillum> arduino over usb is good for when you need real time for the pi
[8:53] <Macgyver0> designing a waterpump for 78 vw beetle?
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[9:06] <DSdavidDS> Hi guys, anyone who use Rasbian Lite, Minibian, or DietPi care to share their experience with each?
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[9:10] <pigrit> did anyone manage to run kivent on rpi ?
[9:14] <irc_smirk> whast that
[9:16] <DSdavidDS> looks like some gaming engine
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[9:18] <pigrit> yep
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[9:18] <DSdavidDS> sorry haven't tried. And has anyone tried using minibian?
[9:18] <DSdavidDS> I need someone to fit on my 4gb sd card
[9:20] <brianx> i think a lot of people do use the holes and once $5 zeros become easily available i expect we'll see lots more people using them in hardware projects.
[9:20] <brianx> i know i used the gpio holes before first boot.
[9:21] <DSdavidDS> im definitely going to start playing around with the GPIO once I get my hands on the Zero
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[9:31] <brianx> looks like the boot partition is 60mb, so a 64mb flash could be used to boot and then use usb ethernet to network mount the root.
[9:32] <Macgyver0> copydat
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[9:33] <Macgyver0> I do several machines with 64/128/256mb cards laying around. Way more reliable doing usb/nfs root than running off sd
[9:33] <brianx> yep, as long as you don't need the speed or the connectivity for something else.
[9:34] <Macgyver0> lol speed isnt an option on $35 board
[9:35] <brianx> lol, i'm talking zero. the $35 one has a whole lot more speed. i used a pi2b for months as my only desktop when it first came out.
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[9:40] <Macgyver0> bringing an automatic kia to a dragrace. Wasn't even aware microsd < lots of 2gbs even existed
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[9:42] <Macgyver0> reckon could use kynar wire or floppy edge connector make adapter
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[13:05] <ShapeShifter499> hi
[13:07] <The_Letter_M> Hi
[13:07] <chesty> O
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[13:12] <ShapeShifter499> hmm so the mouse never seems to work at all on my Pi Zero
[13:12] <deshipu> what kind of mouse?
[13:12] <deshipu> does it show in lsusb?
[13:13] <ShapeShifter499> I tried with hub, without hub, with keyboard (as it has a usb port built in), and without. Nothing. I tried a wired mouse and a wireless mouse
[13:13] <deshipu> do you get anything in dmesg when you connect it?
[13:13] <ShapeShifter499> deshipu: let me check again, the text is quite small on my display
[13:13] <gordonDrogon> I've only had one 'mouse' on a Zero - the trackpad on my moto atrix lapdock - it worked fine...
[13:14] <deshipu> how are you connecting it to the microusb port?
[13:14] <gordonDrogon> yes - do other things (keyboard) work on the usb ok?
[13:14] <gordonDrogon> oh - and are you using the right micro usb port on the Pi? There are 2 - and one is power only...
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[13:20] <ShapeShifter499> deshipu: gordonDrogon yep, power connected to "pwr" and usb to "usb"
[13:20] <ShapeShifter499> deshipu: gordonDrogon erm now the keyboard quit on me
[13:21] <ShapeShifter499> keyboard is directly connected
[13:21] <ShapeShifter499> I notice also if I plug in the usb hub with nothing else attached, the power light on it briefly lights then goes out
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[13:37] <ShapeShifter499> deshipu: gordonDrogon if the two gold colored solder pads below the usb port fell off what would that mean? (PI22 and PI23)
[13:39] <ShapeShifter499> the traces leading up to it appear to be intact, it's just the pads
[13:39] <myself> Anyone know what SCM stands for in chinese product listings? Seems synonymous with PCB but I can't find an acronym expansion anywhere.
[13:40] <gordonDrogon> there is no power light on the Zero - it's SD card activity LED
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[13:40] <ShapeShifter499> gordonDrogon: I have video display and the sd activity light working
[13:40] <gordonDrogon> I suspect they're test pads, but how did they fall off?
[13:41] <ShapeShifter499> seems all usb support is dead
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[13:41] <ShapeShifter499> gordonDrogon: I attempted, uh this http://frederickvandenbosch.be/?p=1343
[13:41] <ShapeShifter499> according to that pads pi22 and pi23 are the data pins and I accidentally ripped them off like a doof
[13:42] <ShapeShifter499> I assumed that it was just broken out and everything was cool but maybe not?
[13:42] <ShapeShifter499> to make it easier to solder but not necessary
[13:43] <ShapeShifter499> doesn't explain why the keyboard was working for a moment after the damage though
[13:43] <ShapeShifter499> if they are critical
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[13:45] <gordonDrogon> ah right - in that case - go check your soldering...
[13:45] <ShapeShifter499> gordonDrogon: I cannot figure out if the pads were connected through the micro usb leads (so that if they fell off it was ok) or the other way around
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[13:45] <ShapeShifter499> gordonDrogon: they are completely gone
[13:45] <gordonDrogon> the pins to the socket are on the top of the board.
[13:45] <ShapeShifter499> wait let me post a picture
[13:45] <gordonDrogon> however if there were vias from the pads, then who knows.
[13:47] <gordonDrogon> ok - I've looked at the board with a magnifier...
[13:47] <gordonDrogon> it's not looking good for you.
[13:48] <gordonDrogon> the Usb data tracks come out of the SoC then via 2 vias to the bottom - then to those big pads - but immediately before the pads there are 2 other vias that ake the signals to the top of the board and (I think) into the leads from the usb socket.
[13:48] <gordonDrogon> you may be able to pickup from the vias to the usb socket to restore use of the socket - just get a good magifier to trace the tracks.
[13:49] <ShorTie> are you using a self powered hub ?? blinky power lights are normally not good i do believe
[13:50] <ShapeShifter499> gordonDrogon: I undid the rest of my soldering after the pads got torn off.... here are pictures of said damage http://imgur.com/a/VCNh9
[13:51] <ShapeShifter499> ShorTie: I think I f'ed my soldering job beyond my level of skill to repair it
[13:51] <ShapeShifter499> ShorTie: see above imgur link
[13:53] <ShapeShifter499> gordonDrogon: do I have to wire leads to the track on the back? if so I DO NOT trust myself to fix such an issue
[13:54] <ShorTie> ya, doesn't l00k to healthy, So So Sorry .. :(~
[13:55] <gordonDrogon> ah.
[13:55] <gordonDrogon> yes, not good. soldering iron too hot too possibly.
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[13:57] <ShorTie> tinning 1st is the key to good soldering .. :)~
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[13:57] <ShapeShifter499> gordonDrogon: so if I wanted to repair, just carefully take the tracks and solder wires from there to the micro usb port?
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[13:58] <gordonDrogon> it might work. if you look at the tracks going into the big pads, you'll see 2 tiny little vias that take the signals to the other side and into the �USb connector. (at least I think that's what they are)
[13:59] <gordonDrogon> you'd need to very carefully clean the pcb and clean the solder resist off the tracks- very fine glass paper or something like that.
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[14:02] <ShapeShifter499> gordonDrogon: the vias appear to be connected well... I wonder what happened
[14:04] * ShorTie Thinkz, ohm it out
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[14:06] <ShapeShifter499> ShorTie: the vias are covered over with solder mask
[14:07] <ShapeShifter499> I don't know if I want to risk damaging further
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[14:09] <gordonDrogon> well.. without usb it's pretty much just a keyring...
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[14:23] <spm_draget> raspivid allows setting shutter speed, ISO and a lot of things. Is there a way to change these values while an instance of raspivid is running?
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[15:43] <philm88> Hey all. I'm planning to jump on the magic mirror bandwagon as a fun little project. Anyone know where you can get 2-way mirrors relatively cheaply in the uk? Or does anyone know if using a piece of acrylic + film would give good enough results to function as a mirror?
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[15:47] <deshipu> you can also get mirror acrylic
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[15:49] <philm88> I've only found mirrored acrylic that's opaque on the back so its 2-way. Do you know where I can get 2 way acrylic?
[15:49] <gordonDrogon> google has plenty of hits.
[15:50] <Apocx> magic mirror projects have definitely been popular lately
[15:50] <gordonDrogon> http://www.amazon.co.uk/Acrylic-Mirrored-ACRYLIC-PERSPEX-PLEXIGLAS/dp/B0074A9672
[15:50] <gordonDrogon> ah, that's not 2-way despite me googling for it.
[15:51] <philm88> Yeah that's pretty much what I'm finding in google. Seems tricky to filter out the stuff that's not actually 2 way
[15:51] <philm88> I'm thinking of just getting a bit of acrylic and something like; http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B004PA6QXG?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=ox_sc_act_title_2&smid=A3P5ROKL5A1OLE
[15:52] <philm88> but I'm not sure how good that'll look as a mirror
[15:53] <gordonDrogon> http://www.theplasticshop.co.uk/acrylic-mirror-see-thru.html
[15:53] <Apocx> you want a two way mirror?
[15:53] <gordonDrogon> that's the stuff, but ��� !!!
[15:53] <Apocx> thought the entire point of a magic mirror project was a oneway mirror
[15:53] <Apocx> i.e. an observation mirror
[15:53] <Apocx> oh guess they are called two-way mirrors too
[15:54] <Apocx> well that's just confusing people
[15:54] <gordonDrogon> yea.
[15:56] <philm88> sweet jesus, £200+!
[15:56] <philm88> I mean, its a lot bigger than I was planning, but still, that's nuts
[15:57] <Apocx> http://www.cutplasticsheeting.co.uk/mirrored-sheeting/two-way-acrylic-mirror
[15:57] <Apocx> Looks expensive too
[15:57] <philm88> Apocx: Yeah, the whole two/one-way thing is confusing. I'm taking them to mean the same thing as they're used interchangably from what I can tell. I don't know if there is an actual difference to those in the know though
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[15:57] <Apocx> A small one is cheap though
[15:57] <philm88> Hmm yeah, I mean, I'm aiming for A3 size ish which doesnt seem to bad
[15:58] <philm88> £18
[15:58] <Apocx> Yeah
[15:58] <philm88> £10 postage though
[15:58] <philm88> cheeky
[15:58] <Apocx> :P
[15:59] <Apocx> On the bright side they have a customer photo of a magic mirror project
[15:59] <Apocx> so you can see what it will look like for the most part
[16:03] <Apocx> I'd like to do a similar project but I'd want to make the mirror recessed. So maybe when I'm doing renovation or something.
[16:05] <philm88> I'm not 100% sure what I'm planning yet
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[16:05] <philm88> just wanted to give it a go really. Hopefully come up with something that doesn't have the same UI as everyone else's magic mirrors
[16:06] <philm88> might think about making a portable version;but would probably use a tablet rather than a raspberry pi for that
[16:06] <Apocx> yeah
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[16:11] <gordonDrogon> I fancy doing something like that too - trying to think if I've anything I could use as the vdu behind it here - adafruit 5" display....
[16:11] <gordonDrogon> I have a TV that works well on a Pi too - I'd have to take it to bits though as the bezel is not flush.
[16:12] <gordonDrogon> the Pi 7" screen has a somewhat large border to it.
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[16:15] <philm88> You might be able to hide the board in a frame
[16:15] <philm88> unless you dont want a frame on your mirror
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[16:19] <bieb> http://www.seeedstudio.com/depot/101LCD-Display-1366x768-HDMIVGANTSCPAL-p-1586.html?cPath=34_36 we purchased a couple of these for a project at work. I haven't checked to see if they make anything larger
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[16:29] <swift110-phone> Hey
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[16:41] <Apocx> UPS guy delivered my goodies. https://www.adafruit.com/product/268
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[16:42] <Apocx> I really really wanted to make my own board for it so it would both power the MCU and the MCU could control the load circuit and only need one actual cable, but I'm not confident in my ability to not start a fire.
[16:42] <Apocx> so I gave up and bought a powerswitch tail
[16:43] <Apocx> guess I'll just have to use a two-way splitter or outlet strip or something
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[16:45] <gordonDrogon> if the case to that isn't moulded, then you might be able to unscrew it and wire a multi-way adapter directly in rather than the single outlet socket.
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[16:45] <gordonDrogon> (if that's what you're after)
[16:46] <Apocx> yeah might take a peek inside. if only to see what the PCB looks like
[16:46] <Apocx> assuming it isn't a pain to open
[16:46] <Apocx> good it isn't
[16:46] <Apocx> four screws
[16:46] <mutsy> so I am gonna start with the raspberry pi soon, but does the raspberry pi 2 model b has a built-in camera? cuz I see that it has the camera interface but that isn't the actual camera? it kinda does look like a camera thingy :p
[16:47] <Apocx> no the camera module is separate
[16:47] <Apocx> and sold separate
[16:47] <mutsy> Apocx: k cool ty
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[16:49] <Apocx> ESP-12 is a neat little module
[16:51] <TrekBike> There are two types of cameras, one with night vision and one without
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[16:55] <deshipu> actually that's just a filter in the lens
[16:55] <deshipu> all cameras are sensitive to it
[16:55] <deshipu> to IR
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[16:58] <Anorion> well
[16:59] <Anorion> it depends a lot on the CCD
[16:59] <Anorion> or sensor, whatever
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[17:00] <Apocx> in the official camera module case, I think the only difference is the IR cut filter. Hence one version being the NoIR version
[17:00] <TrekBike> Yes, the senor is physically the same whether its the NoIR version or not. Its also the same whether its an official RPi camera or a Waveshare version.
[17:01] <swift110-phone> Anyone have a pi zero
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[17:01] <Apocx> I need to buy some of these LED lights for the cam module, look nifty. http://g02.a.alicdn.com/kf/HTB10PyVIXXXXXcxXpXXq6xXFXXXQ/Waveshare-Raspberry-Pi-Camera-Module-Night-Vision-5MP-Webcam-Video-1080p-for-Any-Version-of-Raspberry.jpg
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[17:01] <TrekBike> I have two of the waveshare cameras
[17:02] <Apocx> I'll probably pick one up eventually
[17:02] <Apocx> Would like to do a homebrew game camera
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[17:03] <TrekBike> When I was away for the holidays I set the camera up in the main part of the house looking at the front door. The LEDs did not illuminate very far.
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[17:03] <Apocx> yeah that's what I was worried about
[17:03] <TrekBike> You'll need much more powerful LEDs for a game camera
[17:03] <Apocx> I'd only need a distance of about 5 feet though for what I'd be using it for
[17:04] <TrekBike> 5 feet, the Waveshare LED modules will be enough
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[17:04] <Apocx> cool, thanks for the info
[17:04] <TrekBike> Waveshare makes two versions though, one is fixed focus, one is variable focus
[17:04] <Apocx> ah
[17:04] <TrekBike> But its not autofocus
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[17:05] <TrekBike> I didn't realize that and did not buy the fixed focus one and it took a lot of twisting the lense to get a good picture
[17:05] <TrekBike> Also remember most glass will not allow IR to pass through.
[17:06] <Apocx> yeah. glass and IR cameras don't mix unless you want a nice view of light glare
[17:07] <TrekBike> I learned that the hard way
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[17:09] <TrekBike> I want to roll my own security cameras with a LiPo battery, solar panel, night vision
[17:10] <TrekBike> Otherwise I need to run power to where I want them
[17:10] <Apocx> that'd be neat
[17:10] <Apocx> I'd like to do something with solar, just haven't had any inspiration yet
[17:10] <TrekBike> All the components exist to do it, but I have not found a good case
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[17:12] <h4x3> hi, is it possible to install silverlight on jessie?
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[17:14] <MY123> h4x3: Silverlight and WPF are not supported on WoA, only Windows Forms
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[17:14] <h4x3> thats shit
[17:14] <h4x3> no amazon prime on raspi
[17:14] <Chillum> seemingly intentionally made incompatible
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[17:14] <h4x3> and no skygo
[17:15] <Chillum> silverlight does not play well with others
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[17:15] <Apocx> I get Prime on RPI
[17:15] <Chillum> me too, I just use a .torrent file
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[17:16] <Chillum> depending on what country you are in if you are paying for the subscription it is legal for you to get copies in other formats
[17:16] <Apocx> I actually misunderstood him, nevermind. :P
[17:16] <Apocx> Thought you mean you couldn't find any RPIs with Prime shipping
[17:16] <Chillum> ohh
[17:16] <Apocx> meant*
[17:16] <Chillum> The Pi 2 is a prime number!
[17:16] <h4x3> i have a subscritpion
[17:16] <Apocx> Amazon naming like everything Prime gets confusing after a while
[17:17] <MY123> h4x3: is an Amazon Prime app available on the Windows Store?
[17:17] <Chillum> "Announcing Amazon Prime Numbers!"
[17:17] <MY123> and does it need DRM enforced?
[17:17] <h4x3> dunno
[17:17] <h4x3> am using it on firefox
[17:17] <h4x3> normally
[17:18] <MY123> Firefox has DRM
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[18:00] <AiGreek> "make install" is with root or not ?!
[18:03] <methuzla> probably
[18:03] <Apocx> when in doubt sudo make install
[18:03] <AiGreek> okey thanks (first time for me ^^)
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[18:29] <yoosi> I found an old Applie PS/2 mouse I'm going to use as a case for my Pi Zero when it arrives
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[18:29] <yoosi> I'm going to use the original cable for power, with a PS/2 to USB adapter so I can plug it into a standard wall wart
[18:29] <x3l3tric> Anyone have experience with xmlrpc-c
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[18:29] <x3l3tric> It seems to be refusing to compile on my pi
[18:30] <yoosi> Does anyone know how well WiFi does going through old thick plastic from vintage computer parts?
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[18:33] <methuzla> yoosi should be ok
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[18:34] <t3chguy> yoosi: those cables are probably pretty thin so be careful with voltage drop across them
[18:34] <methuzla> yoosi the gauge of the wires in the ps/2 cable may be an issue if current draw gets too high
[18:34] <t3chguy> methuzla: ^
[18:34] <x3l3tric> I'm having an issue installing rtorrent, it states that it can't compile XMLRPC-C test, even though it seems that that installed properly.
[18:35] <yoosi> I have a basic multimeter. Is there a process I can use to determine if that will be an issue?
[18:35] <t3chguy> yoosi: run your pi at as high a usage as you will ever do
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[18:36] <t3chguy> and measure the voltage at both ends
[18:36] <x3l3tric> That's a really cool idea yoosi
[18:36] <yoosi> Do you know of a good stress test software I can use? I'd like to make sure it can stand up to worst case scenario
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[18:37] <yoosi> thanks x3l3tric. I'll upload a pic or two. Full build log when it's complete too
[18:37] <methuzla> some rough and quick googling puts the ps/2 max current at 275ma
[18:38] <x3l3tric> Think I may have fixed my issue... I've done this install before, but it was multiple months ago
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[18:38] <x3l3tric> Actually, no.
[18:39] <x3l3tric> Must have instlaled through repositories before instead of from sources.
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[18:40] <yoosi> https://goo.gl/photos/xnVtowfbB5YN1EUd8
[18:40] <yoosi> (Photos for those interested)
[18:40] <methuzla> 275ma might be ok for a zero
[18:41] <yoosi> methuzla: Okay. I'm wondering now if I can pull thicker wires through the sleeve of the existing cable... But then I don't think I can cleanly connect them to the existing PS/2 connector
[18:41] <yoosi> Maybe I could cut it and superglue it back together...
[18:41] <methuzla> any reason why you're keeping the ps/2 connector?
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[18:43] <yoosi> Aesthetics mostly. I like the idea of it being stealth
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[18:43] <yoosi> If I can find a USB cable with a similar color and fit into the body of the mouse I may consider replacing it
[18:44] <yoosi> I'm even going to cut a slice off the ball so it covers the hole on the bottom
[18:45] <methuzla> just give it a try with the ps/2 cable and see what happens
[18:45] <pksato> Applie? or Apple?
[18:45] <yoosi> pksato: Apple
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[18:47] <pksato> I think, Apple never used PS/2 products.
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[18:50] <pksato> ADB use similar connector to PS/2.
[18:50] <pksato> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_Desktop_Bus
[18:52] <methuzla> "The +5 V pin guaranteed at least 500 mA, and required devices to use only 100 mA each"
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[18:52] <methuzla> probably means the cables are sized for 100ma
[18:54] <yoosi> What purpose is the guarantee then? I don't understand
[18:55] <methuzla> you could hook up at least 5 devices
[18:57] <yoosi> Duh, okay. It all clicked. I'm a little slow this morning
[18:58] <yoosi> Perhaps I will replace the cable with a female USB port instead. It loses it's original look but then it's more flexible
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[19:00] <yoosi> I already have a female type B connector I could use. I'm going to need to read up on the best way to cut this cleanly
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[19:11] <x3l3tric> Woohoo, my rutorrent reinstall actually worked on the first try
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[19:14] <x3l3tric> Now to copy over my 30k session files...
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[19:17] <t3chguy> yoosi: you could always step the voltage up on one side
[19:17] <t3chguy> and then back down inside the mouse
[19:17] <t3chguy> that way lowering the current draw
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[19:28] <x3l3tric> Woohoo, transferring the session directory worked!
[19:29] <x3l3tric> In case any of you see someone come in here asking about migrating an rtorrent install, let them know that all they need to move is the /home/pi/session directory (or whatever their session directory is)
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[19:34] <buZz> x3l3tric: i'll just assume thats listed in rtorrent documentation ;)_
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[19:35] <x3l3tric> Maybe. I just wasn't 100% certain it would work until now
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[19:35] <x3l3tric> anyone happen to know off the top of their head how to view the pi's current clock speed?
[19:35] <buZz> somewhere in /sys or /proc
[19:36] <Reedy> cat /proc/cpuinfo
[19:36] <buZz> Reedy: that doesnt output it
[19:36] <Reedy> You should get something like
[19:36] <Reedy> cpu MHz : 1297.838
[19:36] <buZz> /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_cur_freq <- that does
[19:36] <Reedy> (that's not from a pi)
[19:37] <x3l3tric> Thanks!
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[19:38] <shauno> cpuinfo seems a bit shady. I have one processor (celeron) that always reports 2300 on a 2.3GHz chip, and another (i7) that's reporting 1600 on a 3.4GHz
[19:39] <shauno> so "works for you" and "works in general" may not be the same
[19:39] <buZz> yeah cpufreq does weird tricks
[19:39] <buZz> so better ask it directly
[19:43] <Reedy> If your cpu does frequency scaling, it will likely show wrong if it's mostly idle
[19:45] <ssam> powertop will show you the time spent in each frequency level
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[19:46] <buZz> Reedy: nah
[19:46] <buZz> it will show -current- freq
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[19:48] <ssam> what do you mean by current? asking it the frequency is asking it to do some work, so it might step up just to give you an answer
[19:49] <buZz> good luck getting cpufreq to change freq with bash doing 'cat /sys/..bla'
[19:50] <buZz> maybe in a while true; loop with > /dev/null
[19:51] <TheLostAdmin> cat /dev/random > /dev/null ?
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[19:51] <buZz> not sure, possibly :P
[19:52] <Reedy> https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/CPU_frequency_scaling
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[20:03] <x3l3tric> Jeez, this is a cluster.
[20:03] <x3l3tric> For some reason, I thought it'd be a good idea to have 2 separate torrent clients running on this thing
[20:04] * myself pats x3l3tric on his/her cute widdle head
[20:04] <x3l3tric> I had Deluge initially, but it was getting overloaded, so I started using rtorrent, but never transferred the torrents over
[20:04] <x3l3tric> Just wanted to give everyone an idiot to laugh at, haha.
[20:04] <x3l3tric> but here's the kicker. Then I made the wonderful decision to start using Deluge again.
[20:04] <myself> I say this as someone who had vmware, virtualbox, deluge, qbittorrent, and utorrent running simultaneously on a via c7 box
[20:05] <x3l3tric> Why?
[20:05] <myself> vmware for legacy reasons, virtualbox for network stupidity, several torrent clients because I was playing with things
[20:05] <x3l3tric> I see
[20:05] <myself> it found enough spare cpu cycles to say some rude things about my heritage before just falling over :P
[20:08] <x3l3tric> Haha
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[20:13] <x3l3tric> Do you happen to have any experience with rutorrent? I'm having a weird issue where clicking one of the top bar options that should sort my list of torrents only allows me to move them
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[20:16] <encore> chrome?
[20:17] <x3l3tric> Yeah
[20:17] <x3l3tric> Should I switch to firefox?
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[20:17] <x3l3tric> That's probably exactly what it is. Every other time I've used rutorrent, it was in ff, and it worked fine
[20:17] <encore> yep. it's much better. irrc if you clear the cache in chrome it will work again but ff is much stabler / more stable
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[20:20] <x3l3tric> Do you happen to remember how to change the autotools save-to directory?
[20:20] <x3l3tric> It's saving in a really weird spot
[20:21] <encore> the default save is in settings > downloads but i don't use the auto tools
[20:22] <x3l3tric> Thanks, that should fix it
[20:22] <encore> do you use autodl-irssi?
[20:22] <x3l3tric> No
[20:23] <x3l3tric> This is on a home seedbox, not a gigabit one
[20:23] <encore> ah, that was going to be my next challenge
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[20:24] <encore> ps don't use ntfs drives for torrent downloads. something weird happens on hash check
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[20:24] <x3l3tric> It's ext4
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[20:24] <x3l3tric> I do all my transfers to/from using WinSCP
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[20:25] <x3l3tric> The whole thing it mounted in a more/less isolated spot, so it'd be a bitch to disconnect the drive to connect it to my pc anyway.
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[20:26] <encore> with straight to ntfs its weird in that the torrent finishes but won't hash check. if you download to a ext4 and transfer to ntfs and hash check its fine
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[20:26] <x3l3tric> Huh, that's interesting
[20:28] <encore> thought my rtorrent install was hosed as cp worked fine. it's really weird
[20:28] <x3l3tric> Autotools is taking way longer than I remember
[20:29] <x3l3tric> Well this is odd.
[20:29] <encore> which auto tool?
[20:29] <x3l3tric> AutoWatch
[20:29] <x3l3tric> The number of torrents with a tracker error seems to be steadily increasing rather than decreasing.
[20:29] <encore> sorry don't use that, just rss
[20:29] <x3l3tric> Gotcha
[20:30] <encore> whats the error message
[20:30] <x3l3tric> Tracker: [Timed out]
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[20:30] <x3l3tric> It does this every time I have to restart rtorrent. I'm thinking it's because of the sheer volume trying to connect at the same time
[20:31] <x3l3tric> There's like 560 torrents that have to seed.
[20:31] <encore> yikes
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[20:32] <x3l3tric> Yeah. It usually doesn't do this, though. Typically, it'll come up with like 500 errors, but that number gradually decreases.
[20:32] <x3l3tric> For some reason, though, it's increasing again. It went down to like 200, but now it's back up at 400
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[20:33] <encore> don't know if you copy session does the tracker update sync to be all at the same time
[20:33] <x3l3tric> I think I'll make a backup now and proceed with my Pi2 migration that started this whole fuckin mess.
[20:34] <encore> when you go back to it maybe stop all and start page at a time
[20:35] <x3l3tric> Eh, hopefully it'll work
[20:35] <x3l3tric> Like I said, normally it just werks
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[20:36] <encore> last thought did you have both deluge and rtorrent running?
[20:37] <x3l3tric> Yeah. They're on separate ports, though.
[20:37] <x3l3tric> (or at least, I hope they are)
[20:37] <encore> ah, that should be fine then
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[20:38] <x3l3tric> I'm thinking it was just an issue with all of the shit I was trying to do on the server
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[20:38] <encore> possibly, if you add them page at a time you might stagger the tracker updates
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[20:40] <sesquipedalian> once I have 1 rasp pi setup to connect to my network with the wifi pass etc. Could I just use dd to backup the sd card and copy it to other sd cards for my other pis. That way there is no need to ever plug them into a keyboard. They are accesible through ssh right away
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[20:42] <gordonDrogon> x3l3tric, please keep it family friendly. channel rules: https://goo.gl/h5qPhz
[20:43] <x3l3tric> My bad
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[20:43] <gordonDrogon> sesquipedalian, yes, you can do that. they'll all end up with the same ssh host key, but that might not be an issue on a private LAN.
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[20:45] <sesquipedalian> well gordonDrogon the idea would be just getting them accessible on w/e network device the pi can find and has the password to. That way I could edit all that once they are first booted up
[20:45] <sesquipedalian> over ssh itself
[20:45] * JakeSays is now known as Not-A-Millennial
[20:45] <gordonDrogon> sesquipedalian, do all the customisations you need to do first too - e.g. remove/add packages, update, etc.
[20:46] <sesquipedalian> and if I can get this working with the rasp pi 2's I could in theory order buckets of the rasp pi zero that will all try to connect to wifi networks and call home to somewhere
[20:46] <sesquipedalian> heheheh
[20:48] <Berg> ddos attack?
[20:48] <sesquipedalian> no
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[20:48] <Berg> hello world this *is* berg
[20:48] <Berg> its ok im teasing
[20:48] <Berg> sorry
[20:49] <sesquipedalian> I could actually pop a rasp pi zero in every single mcdonalds open wifi range
[20:49] <sesquipedalian> just need to figure out power source
[20:49] <aphirst> hide it inside the power brick for something else
[20:49] <myself> radioisotope thermal...
[20:49] <sesquipedalian> oooo
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[20:49] <sesquipedalian> I can live out my KGB spy dreams now
[20:49] <sesquipedalian> ty rasp pi
[20:50] <aphirst> :D
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[20:50] <myself> with extra polonium!
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[20:53] <x3l3tric> Hide the Pi Zeros inside the ice cream machines, since they're apparently never working
[20:53] <sesquipedalian> or... hide them in ice cream trucks. That drive by many open wifi networks
[20:53] <sesquipedalian> >_>
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[20:53] <Berg> a good spy would acrtualy work there and hide it under a stale bun
[20:53] <x3l3tric> "Oh hey, I have access. Now I can.... wait, it's gone"
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[20:55] <x3l3tric> I think the hiding in a power brick is probably the best idea
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[20:56] <sesquipedalian> hide them in ice cream trucks. Make them ping a NSA owned network every time they briefly connect to an open network
[20:56] <sesquipedalian> nsa operation to figure out what is happening. They eventually find ice cream trucks
[20:57] <x3l3tric> Oh my, I can see the headlines now.
[20:58] <x3l3tric> BREAKING NEWS: NSA Thwarts Potential Ice-Cream Terror Operation
[20:58] <x3l3tric> "We don't know what they're being used for, but it ain't good" says head of agency
[20:58] <sesquipedalian> "ISIS ICE CREAM THREAT?" says all news outlets
[20:58] <x3l3tric> Then you get Raspberry Pis banned in the US because of their potential to be used as a weapon of terror
[20:59] <sesquipedalian> then I am banned from all rasp pi channels forever
[20:59] <sesquipedalian> for ruining everyone sfun
[20:59] <sesquipedalian> ;_;
[20:59] <x3l3tric> There'd be no one left to ban you
[20:59] <sesquipedalian> right since freenode would get rid of all rasp pi related topics lol
[20:59] <sesquipedalian> consequences :|
[20:59] <x3l3tric> They'd probably demand records of everyone that purchased one and do a no-knock raid
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[21:06] <Berg> Im sad now
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[21:20] <rominronin> hello good people. I'm trying to set up dynamic dns, using a perl client script (gdipc.pl). How can I run this script on every boot?
[21:20] <rominronin> I'm booting into cli
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[21:21] <Kitt3n> rominronin, you could do a cronjob, add the script to the startup shell script(s)
[21:21] <methuzla> https://learn.adafruit.com/running-programs-automatically-on-your-tiny-computer
[21:21] <Kitt3n> or do a service :p
[21:21] <x3l3tric> Woohoo, my partition shrink worked
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[21:22] <Tenkawa> x3l3tric: why wouldnt it?
[21:23] <x3l3tric> I wasn't sure
[21:23] <Tenkawa> rominronin: you can also use /etc/rc.local
[21:23] <x3l3tric> Oh hey Tenk, I got that SD card issue from yesterday fixec
[21:23] <x3l3tric> fixed*
[21:23] <Tenkawa> x3l3tric: oh.. what did it end up being?
[21:23] <Tenkawa> why were the part #'s so odd?
[21:24] <x3l3tric> Well, I never fixed THAT.
[21:24] <x3l3tric> What I ended up doing was reflashing an older backup and installing stuff that was new.
[21:24] <Tenkawa> ahhhh
[21:24] <x3l3tric> The backup was from before I had installed Rtorrent, so I reinstalled it.
[21:24] <x3l3tric> But before I did the reflash, I made sure to grab the session directory from the old card, and it worked just fine.
[21:25] <x3l3tric> So everything's just about the way it was before.
[21:25] <Tenkawa> cool
[21:25] <x3l3tric> And the part #'s are still really weird on this flash too.
[21:25] <x3l3tric> They're exactly the same, as far as I can tell.
[21:25] <Tenkawa> really.. extended parts?
[21:25] <Tenkawa> that is odd
[21:26] <x3l3tric> Exactly the same arrangement, yup.
[21:26] <Tenkawa> then again I build my own from scratch so I change them up anyway
[21:26] <x3l3tric> Boot and root partitions were part of a 28GB extended partition.
[21:26] <rominronin> ok
[21:26] <Tenkawa> very odd
[21:26] <rominronin> !karma
[21:26] <rominronin> thanks Tenkawa Kitt3n
[21:26] <Tenkawa> np
[21:27] <Tenkawa> hopefully that works for ya
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[21:27] <rominronin> i tried rc.local, doesn't work (but the problem is with the script). I want to try cron next...
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[21:27] <Tenkawa> you have to chmod +x it too
[21:28] <rominronin> lemme check...
[21:28] <x3l3tric> So tenk, why is it that you have no graphics?
[21:28] <rominronin> Tenkawa: already got +x.
[21:28] <rominronin> nm, cron should work
[21:29] <Tenkawa> x3l3tric: I choose to operate non-graphicly usually
[21:29] <x3l3tric> I see.
[21:29] <Kitt3n> so do I!
[21:29] <Kitt3n> on rasp pi graphics is just 'meh'
[21:29] <Tenkawa> i "can" use x on here..
[21:29] <Tenkawa> i just dont on any of my boxes unless i have to
[21:29] <Tenkawa> i learned via text
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[21:30] <x3l3tric> Out of pure curiosity, would making a full image copy of an SD card have the same capacity of the card, or of the partition scheme on the card?
[21:30] <x3l3tric> I ask because this card has about 20GB of unallocated space
[21:31] <ShorTie> of the sdcard
[21:31] <x3l3tric> And for some weird reason, the new 32GB card I bought is smaller.
[21:31] <x3l3tric> Great.
[21:31] <Tenkawa> umm... no
[21:31] <ShorTie> and 'may' not fit on another brand of sdcard
[21:31] <x3l3tric> :(
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[21:31] <Kitt3n> x3l3tric, there IS some overhead.
[21:31] <Tenkawa> if you dd clone it unless you adjust parts and resize fs.. it will mimic the old
[21:32] <ShorTie> you can use image_shrinker to make it fit
[21:32] <x3l3tric> How would I do that?
[21:32] <x3l3tric> ShorTie
[21:32] <Kitt3n> but 20 is a bit small on 32.. hm
[21:32] <x3l3tric> What I meant was I took 20GB from the root partition, thinking that it would make the copy go faster.
[21:33] <ShorTie> https://github.com/ShorTie8/Image_Shrinker
[21:33] <x3l3tric> Both cards are 32GB, for some reason the new one is reported as being smaller though.
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[21:33] <Tenkawa> x3l3tric: in whole or at the partition level"
[21:33] <Tenkawa> ?
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[21:34] <x3l3tric> When I try to use Win32 Disk Imager to copy the image to the new card, it says that the card doesn't have enough space.
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[21:34] <ShorTie> that is a common issue of images
[21:34] <x3l3tric> Now that you're mentioning it, it may be giving a different error. But I can't know for sure until this program's done.
[21:35] <lupinedk> Using RPI-Clone to backup to other size sd cards. https://github.com/billw2/rpi-clone
[21:35] <x3l3tric> ShorTie, does there happen to be a Windows application to perform the same function? I don't know if I have a way of transferring the image to another machine
[21:35] <ShorTie> sorry, a linux thingy
[21:36] <ShorTie> rpi-clone is good
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[21:36] <x3l3tric> Does 7zip have a portable Debian-compatible version?
[21:36] <rominronin> just to confirm (because I've never written a crontab before): If I want to run a script twice every day, I need to write two lines, one for each time..?
[21:36] <Tenkawa> rominronin: no
[21:36] <Kitt3n> x3l3tric, p7zip
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[21:36] <Tenkawa> cron format has an hour field
[21:36] <Tenkawa> use example like 7,10
[21:37] <Tenkawa> er
[21:37] <Tenkawa> 7,19
[21:37] <Tenkawa> for 7 am and 7 pm
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[21:37] <rominronin> aaaah, i can use commas :)
[21:37] <Tenkawa> in the hour field
[21:38] <rominronin> ty, I just wanted to check.
[21:38] <rominronin> This just means I have successfully set up dynamic dns on my home server. time to celebrate. beer anyone?
[21:38] <rominronin> ty Tenkawa
[21:38] <x3l3tric> Excuse the dumb question, how can I install p7zip on a livecd?
[21:38] <Tenkawa> Unless I am, remembering incorrectly i think thats the way to go
[21:38] <Tenkawa> rominronin: no problem
[21:39] <rominronin> watch this space..
[21:39] <rominronin> rominronin.net
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[21:39] <x3l3tric> Wait, nevermind, I do actually have a big enough harddrive
[21:39] <rominronin> nothing as yet
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[21:40] <Tenkawa> yay i remembered it correctly., just verified via man 5 crontab
[21:40] <foormea> hello! i want to buy an 8-channel electric relay. i see some tutos where the relay is connected directly to the pi, and some other tutos that say that resistances/diodes are needed. why would resistances/diodes be needed?
[21:40] <Tenkawa> nice man page (at least on debian)
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[21:41] <x3l3tric> ShorTie, how does the script work?
[21:41] <x3l3tric> Nevermind, just read it
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[21:51] <x3l3tric> ShorTie, I keep getting a permission denied error when I try to run the script. When I use sudo, it says that it doesn't recognize the command
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[21:52] <Tenkawa> x3l3tric: are you fully qualifying the path and is it chown'ed to you or you got perms to exec it?
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[21:52] <x3l3tric> I chmodded it to 777
[21:52] <Tenkawa> whats ls -lad /path/to/script show
[21:52] <x3l3tric> And I'm not sure what the first part means
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[21:52] <Tenkawa> how do you run it?
[21:52] <x3l3tric> I changed the terminal directory to be in the same directory as both script and image file, then I tried to run ./Image_Shrinker pi.img
[21:53] <Tenkawa> ahh
[21:53] <Tenkawa> do file Image_Shrinker
[21:53] <Tenkawa> what kind of file is it?
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[21:54] <x3l3tric> POSIX Shell script, ASCII text executable
[21:54] <Tenkawa> ok try running it this way
[21:54] <x3l3tric> it was actually Image_Shrinker.sh, my bad
[21:54] <Tenkawa> sudo sh Image_Shrinker.sh
[21:54] <Tenkawa> if it errors post the exact error
[21:55] <x3l3tric> This only works on the standard 2 partition systems.
[21:55] <x3l3tric> That's the error I just got.
[21:56] <Tenkawa> oh wit
[21:56] <Tenkawa> er wait
[21:56] <Tenkawa> look in the script
[21:56] <ShorTie> ya, doesn't work on noobs installs
[21:56] <x3l3tric> IYeah.
[21:56] <x3l3tric> :(
[21:56] <Tenkawa> what command is oit loooking for
[21:56] <x3l3tric> So, how does this other one work again?
[21:56] <Tenkawa> sounds like its missing
[21:56] <x3l3tric> Tenkawa, my Pi's a NOOBS install
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[21:56] <x3l3tric> The Rpiclone?
[21:57] <ShorTie> that will not work either i do believe
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[21:57] <x3l3tric> Why?
[21:58] <ShorTie> because it's a noobs install, hehe.
[21:58] <x3l3tric> Wow. Just wow.
[21:58] <x3l3tric> So there's no way to shrink the image?
[21:58] <Tenkawa> uggh
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[21:59] <Tenkawa> x3l3tric: run it with sh -x
[21:59] <Tenkawa> see what command its failing on
[21:59] <Tenkawa> i might be able to help correct
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[21:59] <x3l3tric> https://github.com/ShorTie8/Image_Shrinker/blob/master/Image_Shrinker.sh
[21:59] <Tenkawa> ie find which package you need
[22:00] <Tenkawa> x3l3tric: I dont have noobs so I dont know which commands are failing in it
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[22:00] <x3l3tric> If you're not able to view the text of the script, I'll post the relevant line here. The script stops running after checking for a third partition
[22:00] <Tenkawa> paste the line
[22:00] <ShorTie> Yuppers ... :)
[22:01] <x3l3tric> And I'm not sure what you mean. I think the weird partition scheme is due to NOOBS, and that's why these programs don't work.
[22:01] <ShorTie> Yuppers ... :)
[22:01] <x3l3tric> echo "Checking for a 3rd partition" THIRD_PART=$(fdisk -l $IMAGEFILE | grep 'img3' | awk '{print $2}') if [ "$THIRD_PART" != "" ]; then echo " " echo "So, So, Sorry .. :(~" echo "This script only works on the standard" echo " 2 partition systems" exit 1
[22:01] <x3l3tric> Actually a few lines, but this is for the 3rd partition check
[22:01] <Tenkawa> ShorTie: why is it not checking for the applicable scheme?
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[22:01] <Tenkawa> or adapting for different layouts
[22:02] <Tenkawa> just curious
[22:02] <ShorTie> i never played with noobs, so didn't really care much about making it work with it i guess
[22:02] <Tenkawa> ahhh
[22:02] <x3l3tric> Is there not a way to just remove like the last GB or so of the image, since the whole last 20GB on the card is unallocated space?
[22:02] <ShorTie> it twas a sortta quicky learning thing
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[22:04] * Tenkawa rearranges some gpt partition tables.. oh fun
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[22:17] <x3l3tric> so does anyone know of a script/program that can shrink NOOBS images?
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[22:19] <Macgyver0> copy dat ish to another partition. its going to happen again anyway, recommend migrating to usb/nfs root
[22:19] <Tenkawa> x3l3tric: i know ways to decrease the already loaded image if you have another linux box to do it from
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[22:21] <Tenkawa> x3l3tric: you could also give raspbian a try from the raspbian installer method
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[22:22] <Tenkawa> theres a lot of choices and options out there
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[22:22] <x3l3tric> Tenkawa, you mean decrease the size of the image?
[22:23] <x3l3tric> Or decrease the size of everything on the SD card?
[22:23] <Tenkawa> readjust things on the sd card
[22:23] <x3l3tric> Macgyver0 I may try that at some point in the future
[22:23] <x3l3tric> I can do it from the livecd
[22:24] <Tenkawa> then all you need is fdisk, resize2fs fsck and you can tweak these all then
[22:24] <Tenkawa> you fdisk change the part sizes
[22:24] <Tenkawa> then reprobe the disk, fsck the filesystem then resize2fs the ext ones
[22:24] <x3l3tric> I think the partitions are resized, there's a 20 or so GB chunk of unallocated at the end of the disk
[22:25] <x3l3tric> That's disconnected from every partition
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[22:25] <Tenkawa> x3l3tric: is it contingous to the end of the ext3/4 main / fs?
[22:25] <Tenkawa> if so this will be easy
[22:25] <x3l3tric> How can I check that
[22:26] <Tenkawa> do a fdisk -l on that card
[22:26] <Tenkawa> look where it starts/ends
[22:26] <Tenkawa> and compare it to the full size of the card
[22:26] <x3l3tric> BRB, sorry, the liveCD has to load
[22:26] <Tenkawa> ok.
[22:26] <Tenkawa> I should be here for at least another hour i think
[22:26] <ShorTie> here maybe, http://superuser.com/questions/307541/copy-entire-file-system-hierarchy-from-one-drive-to-another
[22:27] <coulbourne> Is anyone aware of hardware that can run SATA through MicroSD? Like the opposite of this: https://jet.com/product/detail/6219cd7fa8244b80b2b5a1118f624fef
[22:27] <Tenkawa> ShorTie: why go through all that
[22:27] <ShorTie> and you could get rid of noobs then
[22:27] <Tenkawa> ShorTie: theres lots of ways to get rid of noobs
[22:27] <ShorTie> �k�� ��K��
[22:27] <Tenkawa> coulbourne: eh?
[22:28] <Tenkawa> i cant view that link
[22:28] <Tenkawa> whats the short version
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[22:28] <coulbourne> Syba 2.5-inch SATA to 4x Micro SD Adapter Economical SSD LED Built-in RAID 0
[22:28] <Tenkawa> ahhhh
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[22:28] <Tenkawa> so it allows 4 microsd cards to act as 1 sata device?
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[22:28] <ShorTie> nifty thingy
[22:28] <coulbourne> Basically it's a card that you can put SD cards in and it raid0's them and then you can use it liek a standard SATA
[22:28] <coulbourne> yeah
[22:29] <coulbourne> I'm looking for the opposite
[22:29] <coulbourne> I want to use SATA in the micro SD card slot on a raspi
[22:29] <Tenkawa> raid a bunch of sata to a microsd slot?
[22:29] <Tenkawa> ouch
[22:29] <Macgyver0> lol sounds highly relaible
[22:29] <coulbourne> I mean I don't NEED to raid them
[22:29] <coulbourne> but I'd like to get one
[22:29] <Tenkawa> you'd be better off sata to usb and use the 4 portd
[22:29] <Tenkawa> er ports
[22:30] <coulbourne> It's a write speed thing though
[22:30] <Tenkawa> sd cards would be not raid wll
[22:30] <Tenkawa> er well
[22:30] <coulbourne> Yeah forget about the raid part
[22:30] <Tenkawa> er
[22:30] <Tenkawa> microsd interface
[22:30] <coulbourne> I'm just thinking 1X SATA -> 1X microSD
[22:30] <Tenkawa> the bus just isnt there
[22:31] <Tenkawa> I think you wouod have much more overhead
[22:31] <Tenkawa> than just sata to usb
[22:31] <coulbourne> hmm
[22:31] <Tenkawa> i could be wrong though
[22:31] <coulbourne> well, a man can dream ;)
[22:31] <Tenkawa> i hear ya
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[22:31] <Tenkawa> thats what I like about some of my other boards... native sata
[22:33] <coulbourne> yeah for real.
[22:33] <coulbourne> an e-sata port would be great
[22:33] <coulbourne> well i guess 3.0 is still faster
[22:33] <Tenkawa> indeed
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[22:34] <Tenkawa> cant wait to see what the next "generation" of storage innovation will be
[22:35] <Macgyver0> nano punchcards
[22:35] <myself> this isn't sata, but it'll let you use fullsize SD at least: http://eshop.sintech.cn/sdhcsd-card-to-micro-sd-tf-extender-adapter-card-for-mobile-pho-p-866.html
[22:35] <Tenkawa> Macgyver0: hehehehheheh
[22:35] * ShorTie misses his old cassette tapes
[22:36] <Tenkawa> good ole radioshack tape player too
[22:36] <ShorTie> Yuppers ... :)
[22:36] <Tenkawa> and acoustic coupler for my phone
[22:36] <ShorTie> oh ya, 300 baud
[22:36] <Tenkawa> indeed
[22:37] <Tenkawa> those things were majorly flaky though
[22:37] <Tenkawa> mind you this was 19809
[22:38] <Tenkawa> er 1980
[22:38] <ShorTie> ya
[22:38] <myself> I'm apparently not the oldest person here today :)
[22:39] <Tenkawa> myself: heheheh
[22:42] <x3l3tric> back
[22:42] <Tenkawa> hey
[22:43] <Tenkawa> you got the partitioner started up?
[22:43] <CoJaBo> I hope I never have to repartition anything in my LIFE
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[22:43] <Tenkawa> CoJaBo: i cant count the hundreds of times i've done it
[22:43] <CoJaBo> Me neither :/
[22:43] <Tenkawa> it gets routine after a while
[22:44] <CoJaBo> And i dread knowing I'll have to do it hundreds more :/
[22:44] <Tenkawa> haahaa
[22:44] * ShorTie concours
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[22:45] <x3l3tric> I ran that cp,,amd you tp;d me tp
[22:45] <x3l3tric> Sorry. I ran fdisk -l /dev/mmcblk0, and it said that it can't open the disk
[22:45] <x3l3tric> I'm probably doing something really simple wrong
[22:45] <Tenkawa> if its plugged into a diff machine it will be a different device
[22:45] <Tenkawa> is this on your pi?
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[22:46] <x3l3tric> That's on a different machine, yeah
[22:46] <Tenkawa> ok do a fdisk -l
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[22:46] <Tenkawa> with nothing
[22:46] <Tenkawa> so we can find it
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[22:47] <Tenkawa> any luck?
[22:47] <TrekBike> tenkawa: Did you ever look at IO schedulers?
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[22:47] <Tenkawa> TrekBike: yep
[22:48] <TrekBike> any conclusions on which is best?
[22:48] <Tenkawa> TrekBike: I prefer deadline but thats due to the workload type of mine
[22:48] <Tenkawa> you have to weigh how its being used
[22:49] <Tenkawa> cfq works better for multi-concurrent io across processes
[22:49] <TrekBike> I haven't figured out how I'm going to use it yet.
[22:49] <x3l3tric> Was I supposed to use sudo
[22:49] <x3l3tric> using sudo brought up some info
[22:49] <Tenkawa> x3l3tric: yes
[22:49] <x3l3tric> What do you need?
[22:49] <Tenkawa> TrekBike: My advice would be to try each and benchmark
[22:50] <Tenkawa> x3l3tric: did you find which device was that card
[22:50] <x3l3tric> Yes, it was /mmcblk0
[22:50] <x3l3tric> I just forgot to put sudo in front of the command
[22:50] <Tenkawa> ahhhhh
[22:50] <Tenkawa> ok
[22:50] <Tenkawa> so..
[22:50] <Tenkawa> when you look at the partition layout
[22:50] <Tenkawa> is the one that was mounted as / at the end of the used space on the drive?
[22:51] <TrekBike> I know on my single desk AMD E450 system running ZoneMinder and the supportng MySQL database, CFQ was better. On the multi-CPU, RAID array server system I used to admin at work, deadline was better.
[22:51] <x3l3tric> You mean root?
[22:51] <Tenkawa> TrekBike: yeah interactions with the desktop or ui's tend to like cfq better
[22:51] <Tenkawa> x3l3tric: yes.. also known as /
[22:51] <x3l3tric> Doesn't look like it. Total is 61863936 sectors, the highest end sector number is 17020927
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[22:52] <TrekBike> My ZoneMinder system is headless.
[22:52] <x3l3tric> Root was p6, starts at 1826816, ends at 16101375
[22:52] <Tenkawa> does any of the filesystems use sectors past root(/)
[22:52] <Tenkawa> anything use 16101376 or higher?
[22:52] <x3l3tric> Yes
[22:52] <Tenkawa> oh?
[22:52] <Tenkawa> which one?
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[22:53] <x3l3tric> the SETTINGS partition, starts at 16955392, ends at 17020927
[22:53] <Tenkawa> well darn
[22:53] <Tenkawa> the free space isnt contigous it appears
[22:53] <x3l3tric> That's the very last partition on the drive, though
[22:53] <Tenkawa> (cant see the layout so still just a guess)
[22:53] <x3l3tric> I can make it contiguous? Maybe? Depending on what that means.
[22:54] <x3l3tric> I can move the Settings partition to the end of the drive
[22:54] <Tenkawa> you can however its risky if you havent done this before
[22:54] <x3l3tric> GParted does it easily
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[22:54] <Tenkawa> the key is keeping the partition # assignment consistent
[22:54] <x3l3tric> Should I attach the unallocated space to the root partition?
[22:54] <Tenkawa> so nothing gets moved
[22:55] <Tenkawa> x3l3tric: yes if you want to use that space for the main fiklesystem
[22:55] <coulbourne> Sidenote: theres a hackerspace in DC called unallocated space
[22:55] <Tenkawa> you dopnt have a seperate /home do you?
[22:55] <x3l3tric> All I'm wanting is to get the whole disk small enough that it fits on the new card. I probably only need like 100MB or so, I'd like 1GB so I'm safer. And no I don't.
[22:56] <myself> I know hackerspaces well enough to know that there's truly no unallocated space within any of them :P
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[22:56] <Tenkawa> are you trying to make this one bigger or smaller?
[22:56] <x3l3tric> Smaller.
[22:56] <myself> well nevermind all the spam I get then
[22:56] <x3l3tric> All I need is to lower the total number of sectors that the drive has.
[22:56] <x3l3tric> The error that the disk imager is giving me is this:
[22:56] <x3l3tric> "Not enough space on disk
[22:56] <Tenkawa> x3l3tric: ahhh
[22:57] <Tenkawa> ok
[22:57] <Tenkawa> use resize2fs first
[22:57] <x3l3tric> :Size 61863936 sectors. Available: 60367872 sectors"
[22:57] <x3l3tric> How does that work?
[22:57] <x3l3tric> And what flags do I need to use?
[22:57] <ShorTie> oh, i'd go smaller then that, if it twas me
[22:57] <Tenkawa> resize2fs /dev/blah sizeG/M
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[22:58] <Tenkawa> it should give you some followup output instructions
[22:58] <Tenkawa> I'll be right back.. i need a quick reboot
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[22:58] <x3l3tric> Is that to resize a specific partition?
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[23:03] <ShorTie> it resizes the file system of a partition i do believe
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[23:03] <ShorTie> sortta like a windows defrag
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[23:04] <x3l3tric> So it wouldn't touch unallocated space? I think he may not have understood what I needed to do
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[23:05] <Tenkawa> wow thats one slow card
[23:05] <Tenkawa> x3l3tric: any luck?
[23:05] <x3l3tric> No, resize2fs is for partitions, right?
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[23:05] <x3l3tric> The issue I'm having is that the number of sectors on the card is larger than the number of sectors on the recipient card
[23:05] <Tenkawa> for filesystems
[23:06] <x3l3tric> So, when I make a direct image of the donor card, it's too big to fit on the recipient card.
[23:06] <Tenkawa> right
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[23:06] <Tenkawa> so you shrink the partition and clone by partition
[23:06] <x3l3tric> OH.
[23:06] <x3l3tric> I see what you're saying.
[23:06] <Tenkawa> yep
[23:06] <x3l3tric> What time will you be back on?
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[23:07] <Tenkawa> not likely until very late tonight once i leave
[23:07] <Tenkawa> I will probably be here at least another hour
[23:07] <x3l3tric> I have to leave for a while, what's your timezone and what time should you be back in?
[23:07] <Tenkawa> ahh
[23:07] <Tenkawa> eastern
[23:07] <Tenkawa> no idea.. need to go do some shopping tonight
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[23:09] <x3l3tric> Alright, I'll be in from probably 9PM to 12PM CST. Query me when you get in
[23:09] <x3l3tric> Thanks, bye. How do I set myself as away?
[23:09] <Tenkawa> sure.. good luck for now
[23:09] <Tenkawa> in most irc clients its /away
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