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IRC Log for 2016-01-09

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[0:51] <Fenhl> hello, my Pi 2 B is displaying the colored square in the upper right corner during periods of activity, which according to people on the forums means it's not receiving enough power. Can anyone recommend a power supply for me? I'm located in Germany
[0:51] <myself> what're you powering it from now?
[0:51] <myself> and have you just tried a different/shorter cable?
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[0:53] <CoJaBo> Seconded, check the cable first. I've noticed it's that more often than the power supply
[0:54] <methuzla> both matter
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[0:57] <Fenhl> myself: I'm currently using a “USB Travel Charger” which says it outputs DC5.0V±5%, 1000mA
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[0:59] <anticore> hi friends. i'm having trouble setting up passwordless login to my raspi. i followed the instructions correctly, and afterward, sshing to the pi still asked me for password. i even checked the permissions of .ssh and authorized_keys, but those are also correct.
[0:59] <anticore> i ran sshd in debug mode, and it finds the RSA key in authorized_keys, and still asks for password
[0:59] <anticore> what am i doing wrong?
[1:00] <methuzla> Fenhl check the cable, see if it has labels to the wire guage
[1:00] <CoJaBo> Fenhl: On average, the actual output seems to be about half what the sticker says
[1:00] <methuzla> Fenhl and set max_usb_current=1 in /boot/config.txt
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[1:00] <CoJaBo> max_usb_current would not improve that issue, and could make it worse
[1:01] <Fenhl> I'm trying a shorter cable right now
[1:01] <methuzla> Fenhl what all do you have attached to the pi?
[1:02] <Fenhl> Ethernet, USB keyboard and a 1080o HDMI screen
[1:02] <Fenhl> *1080p
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[1:02] <B0g4r7> I bought some real cheap usb cables off ebay once that didn't work worth a toot.
[1:02] <methuzla> try the cable first, leave max_usb_current alone
[1:03] <methuzla> it would up the allowable draw to 1.2A, which is more than your supply can output
[1:03] <CoJaBo> Mine is currently running off a $1 cable from the Dolla Store
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[1:03] <CoJaBo> It oddlyy works fine.
[1:04] <B0g4r7> These cables were way less than $1.
[1:04] <methuzla> low cost cables are one thing. cheap cables are another.
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[1:05] <Fenhl> yeah it seems to be fine now, thanks for the help
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[1:06] <myself> wires have resistance, and longer thinner wires have more!
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[1:06] <myself> When in doubt, change cables and see if the behavior changes. :)
[1:07] <B0g4r7> and CCA wire has more resistance than solid copper.
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[1:11] <Valduare> hows everyone liking the rpi-zero
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[1:14] <CoJaBo> I should get one someday
[1:15] <CoJaBo> The biggest problem for me is that it'd be more expensive than the others, due to the need for adaptors and a hub >_>
[1:16] <Valduare> dont need no stinkin adapters :)
[1:16] <Valduare> just murder some old cell phone chargers and swap the plugs on keyboard/mouse combo
[1:16] <Valduare> heh
[1:16] <CoJaBo> heh
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[1:16] <CoJaBo> I don't have enough charger cables to begin with >_>
[1:17] <Valduare> if these computers get much smaller... were going to need micro cords to go with them heh
[1:17] <CoJaBo> I'd need wifi too, so I'd still need a hub
[1:17] <Valduare> hopfully they make a rpi0+ with wifi/bluetooth heh
[1:17] <CoJaBo> I guess I could go wifi only, but I'd still need an adaptor to plug it in
[1:17] <CoJaBo> Valduare: I've read it's unlikely :/
[1:18] <CoJaBo> Other single-board computers have them, but they aren't as widely supported as the pi, which is annoying
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[1:19] <CoJaBo> ..oh hell http://hackaday.com/2016/01/07/raspberry-pi-zero-turning-the-pi-into-a-usb-gadget-over-usb/
[1:19] <CoJaBo> Ok, it's going in my list now
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[1:20] <Valduare> what do you think of the c.h.i.p
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[1:22] <B0g4r7> Hmm. It doesn't look like anyone makes a wifi adapter yet in a microsd form.
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[1:22] <Valduare> not yet that i've seen
[1:22] <CoJaBo> There are serial ones (you could use them with GPIO), but they're expensive. And probably slow
[1:23] <Valduare> aye
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[1:24] <myself> This had me laughing pretty hard: http://hackaday.com/2015/12/09/raspberry-pi-wifi-through-sdio/
[1:26] <B0g4r7> Impressive.
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[1:28] <myself> Yeah, it's like those kids that wrap a rope around a tire rim on an old car and use it as a winch to go waterskiing across a little lake or something. Impressive, and I suppose if the goal is to avoid building or buying something more proper, that's definitely meeting the goal.
[1:29] <myself> I wouldn't necessarily say it's a long-term or robust solution, and I wouldn't go into production with it, but if it works and doesn't land you in the hospital, alright then! good for you! Heh.
[1:30] <Valduare> anyone here have that orange pi
[1:31] <CoJaBo> heh.
[1:32] <Valduare> wondering if the hdmi-cec on it works as advertised
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[1:47] <Valduare> neato https://www.adafruit.com/products/2345
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[2:27] <The_Letter_M> So I saw there's a lego compatible case for both the Pi and the camera module. Are there any lego based cases for other stuff?
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[2:28] <[Saint]> If only LEGO came in a wide and varied array of shapes and sizes and you could build pretty much anything with it for a wide range of use cases.
[2:28] <[Saint]> Someone should talk to them about that.
[2:28] <[Saint]> They could be on to someting.
[2:29] <The_Letter_M> I dunno if they're officially made by Lego. I doubt it. They're just accessories that are made to snap to Lego bricks
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[2:30] <The_Letter_M> Like I was thinking if there was a frame you could snap or slide a small LCD into and then snap the frame onto other Legos that would be cool
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[2:36] <[Saint]> I would be absolutely shocked if you couldn't put one together.
[2:36] <[Saint]> The LEGO community is wide and vast, and there's various sites and helper tools that allow you to build arbitrary creations and then order the required LEGO components.
[2:37] <The_Letter_M> Cool
[2:38] <x3l3tric> Anyone experienced with cloning RPi SD Cards?
[2:38] <x3l3tric> I would do it with images, but there's a slight mismatch between donor and recipient. I'm considering trying to use Clonezilla, but I'm not the most familiar with it and I'm afraid I'd screw it up
[2:39] <x3l3tric> Current plan is to use GParted to copy from one card to another, from a completely separate linux box. Does this sound feasible to all of you?
[2:39] <[Saint]> is the host bigger or smaller than the recipient?
[2:40] <x3l3tric> bigger.
[2:40] <x3l3tric> There's 20GB of unallocated space on it, though
[2:40] <[Saint]> mount in gparted, shrink the freespace, then do a raw dd?
[2:41] <x3l3tric> raw dd?
[2:42] <[Saint]> as in dd from dev/sdN as opposed to dev/sdN{1|2|...}.
[2:42] <x3l3tric> What do you mean by dd... disk dump?
[2:42] <[Saint]> Then the end result is a nice little image you can dd straight to the other card and bring the partitions with it.
[2:42] <x3l3tric> I'm honestly not the most experienced with Linux by any means
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[2:42] <[Saint]> http://linux.die.net/man/1/dd
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[2:43] <Tenkawa> greetings all
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[2:43] <x3l3tric> Hello there!
[2:43] <Tenkawa> x3l3tric: any luck?
[2:43] <x3l3tric> I actually just got back myself
[2:43] <Tenkawa> heeheh
[2:44] <x3l3tric> Think I may try to use GParted first. I have full backups in case something goes wrong
[2:44] <Tenkawa> ahh good
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[2:45] <x3l3tric> I'll see if there's a full copy option that would let me just copy the whole disk over and potentially ignore the slight sector mismatch with unallocated space
[2:46] <Tenkawa> dd
[2:46] <Tenkawa> heheheheh
[2:47] <[Saint]> x3l3tric: see: dd - as above
[2:48] <x3l3tric> How would I use the dd command?
[2:48] <x3l3tric> just "sudo dd /dev/mmcblk0 /dev/sdc"?
[2:48] <[Saint]> If only there was a manual, maybe if I linked to it above, perhaps.
[2:48] <[Saint]> ;)
[2:48] <Tenkawa> [Saint]: haahaa
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[2:49] <Tenkawa> x3l3tric: no.. dd takes a little more reading to learn
[2:49] <Tenkawa> but its super useful and powerful if used correctly
[2:49] <[Saint]> and, no, it's not going to be mmcblk anything, unless you're doing this on the pi itself.
[2:49] <[Saint]> which would be really odd.
[2:49] <x3l3tric> I'm really sorry, I don't see anything in the manual that clarifies anything.
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[2:50] <x3l3tric> Like I said, I'm honestly a Linux idiot.
[2:50] <x3l3tric> I'm a good manual follower, which is how I even managed to set this thing up
[2:50] <[Saint]> if and of are detailed clearly in the manual.
[2:50] <[Saint]> (infile and outfile)
[2:50] <[Saint]> dd if=/path/to/file/or/volume of=/path/to/file/or/volume
[2:51] <aphirst> [Saint], fancy seeing you here
[2:51] <aphirst> :^)
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[2:51] <[Saint]> No small coincidence these communities overlap. :)
[2:51] <aphirst> well
[2:51] <aphirst> perhaps not
[2:51] <[Saint]> techy-people doin' techy-stuff.
[2:52] <aphirst> SOLIDARITÄT!!!
[2:52] <aphirst> idk
[2:54] <x3l3tric> So, [saint], should that command just work?
[2:55] <[Saint]> No.
[2:55] <x3l3tric> It won't freak out about the fact that all 20GB of unallocated space won't fit on the new card?
[2:55] <[Saint]> It won't work because it's not even close to valid syntax.
[2:55] <x3l3tric> Obviously I'll have to put my real path info in, if that's what you're saying
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[2:56] <x3l3tric> What are stdin and stdout? I had no clue those commands had to do with I/O until you brought it up
[2:56] <[Saint]> It will "work", but to make any real guarantees you'd really want to ensure that you shrink the image on the donor to meet the limits of the recipient first.
[2:56] <[Saint]> gparted can do this trivially.
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[2:57] <[Saint]> It would also avoid you dd'ing ~20GB of irrelevant freespace.
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[2:58] <[Saint]> regarding std{err|in|out} see: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standard_streams
[2:59] <x3l3tric> What do you mean "shrink", I didn'
[2:59] <x3l3tric> t see a shrink option when I had GParted open
[2:59] <reppard> sorry got disconnected
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[2:59] <[Saint]> /exec do_definition shrink
[2:59] <[Saint]> (verb) 1 - become or make smaller in size or amount.
[3:00] <x3l3tric> I am aware of what shrink means lol
[3:00] <[Saint]> Nuke the irrelevant freespace from the donor card in gparted first so that you're not making an image that is needlessly large.
[3:01] <x3l3tric> I turned 20GB of the root partition that was free into unallocated space and moved it to the end of the disk, if that's what you mean
[3:01] <x3l3tric> If you're talking about eliminating that 20GB unallocated area... that's what I'm unsure of how to do
[3:04] <Macgyver0> lollerskates, geez
[3:04] <x3l3tric> ?
[3:04] <x3l3tric> I'm sorry if everything I'm saying is really stupid.
[3:04] <Macgyver0> You could have moved the files off, wiped/formatted partitions and copied files back by now
[3:04] <x3l3tric> I haven't been working on this this whole time
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[3:05] <x3l3tric> And you bet your mule that I would have found a way to screw that up
[3:05] <[Saint]> Macgyver0: and screwed permissions in the process.
[3:05] <x3l3tric> Like that
[3:06] <x3l3tric> So, was that what you meant by nuking the irrelevant freespace [Saint]? Just want to make sure I'm doing it right.
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[3:06] <[Saint]> you've done it.
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[3:07] <Macgyver0> cp -a
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[3:08] <[Saint]> tl;dr: "dd if=/path/to/sdcard/on/host of=/my_totally_awesome_raspi_image.img"; "dd if=/my_totally_awesome_raspi_image.img of=/path/to/doner/sdcard"
[3:08] <x3l3tric> OK, so when I run sudo dd if=/dev/mmcblk0/ of=/dev/sdc, it should work?
[3:08] <x3l3tric> Orrr do that
[3:08] <x3l3tric> Would it know how to handle the image properly?
[3:09] <[Saint]> it's just a big bucket of 1s and 0s.
[3:09] <[Saint]> there's no way to "handle" it properly, or not.
[3:09] <[Saint]> the extension and the naming scheme are entirely arbitrary.
[3:09] <x3l3tric> it wouldn't try to copy all the bucket of 1s and 0s over then label it as a single image file?
[3:09] <x3l3tric> Rather than creating the right partitioning scheme?
[3:09] <[Saint]> No.
[3:10] <[Saint]> it's en exact dump of the contents of that volume.
[3:10] <[Saint]> *an
[3:10] <x3l3tric> Huh. So it differentiates between file and drive. Gotcha
[3:10] <[Saint]> _as long as_ you don't pass it a partition.
[3:10] <x3l3tric> When it sees /dev/, it knows it's dealing with a drive
[3:10] <[Saint]> you need to pass it the device, not a partition /on/ that device.
[3:10] <x3l3tric> Gotcha. That makes sense. I see the difference now
[3:11] <x3l3tric> Would my command work? If not, why?
[3:11] <[Saint]> ie. /dev/sdN vs. /dev/sdN1 etc.
[3:11] <x3l3tric> I see. the device's label is mmcblk0, and the other device's label is sdc
[3:11] <x3l3tric> I can connect both sd cards simultaneously to the separate linux box, fyio
[3:11] <[Saint]> Are you trying to do this _on the pi_?
[3:11] <x3l3tric> Nononono
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[3:13] <x3l3tric> I'm doing this on a Lubuntu Live CD
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[3:17] <pyroxide> about to break down and buy a steam link
[3:19] <x3l3tric> brb
[3:19] <[Saint]> pyroxide: http://thumbs.dreamstime.com/x/steaming-pipe-15524939.jpg
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[3:19] <pyroxide> nothing is working. not even my tablet.
[3:20] <pyroxide> not without lowering desktop resolution for 1280x800 or 1280x720
[3:20] <Tenkawa> brb
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[3:37] <pyroxide> https://www.carcane.com/
[3:37] <pyroxide> lol
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[3:38] <Tenkawa> x3l3tric: any kuck?
[3:38] <Tenkawa> er luck
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[3:44] <Tenkawa> wow this pi-zero is a neat little unit
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[3:46] <Tenkawa> wonder who will be next
[3:46] <uriah> :(
[3:46] * uriah awaits his pi0's arrival
[3:46] <Tenkawa> to make a small unit
[3:47] <uriah> was stuck in customs for a day, and they missed the cutoff time for delivering it today or something
[3:47] <Tenkawa> uriah: I'm having a lot of fun... then again I have liked arm for a long time
[3:47] <Tenkawa> ouch
[3:47] <Tenkawa> know how that goes
[3:47] <uriah> yeah...
[3:47] <uriah> so i have to wait till monday
[3:47] <uriah> oh well
[3:47] <uriah> i guess i'll have to keep myself occupied with other stuff
[3:48] <Tenkawa> heheheh i hear ya
[3:48] <Tenkawa> I just got sound working on my arm laptop and am happy now
[3:49] <Tenkawa> bluetooth is next however no real rush
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[3:49] <Tenkawa> just for a mouse
[3:49] <uriah> hmm, i see
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[3:49] <uriah> i don't really like using mice with laptops myself
[3:50] <uriah> and i don't even currently have one connected to my desktop either :D
[3:50] <Tenkawa> I dont typicly either however if i do need one i cant stand trackpads
[3:50] <uriah> ah ok
[3:50] <uriah> i've learned to live with mine heh
[3:50] <Tenkawa> heheh
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[3:53] <Tenkawa> zero is cortex a6 right?
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[3:58] <[Saint]> bcm2835
[3:58] <Tenkawa> [Saint]: is that v6 or v7?
[3:59] <uriah> v6
[3:59] <[Saint]> ARM11, so, V6.
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[3:59] <[Saint]> bcm2836 is the V7 one.
[3:59] <Tenkawa> ok thought so
[3:59] <uriah> it's the same as the original rpi
[3:59] <uriah> just overclocked
[3:59] <Tenkawa> no need to put v7 support in the kernel i'm building
[3:59] * [Saint] nods
[4:00] <uriah> nope
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[4:00] <[Saint]> I call it the "Holy crap, we found another box of these bcm2835's in the warehouse!" model.
[4:00] <Tenkawa> haahaa
[4:00] <Tenkawa> i think it was well designed so far
[4:00] <Tenkawa> from what little i've used it so far
[4:02] <JK-47> "It's holiday in china so factory is closed, thailand is open and tooled for bcm2835 what can we do with them all?"
[4:02] <JK-47> that was their october thought
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[4:02] <uriah> lies!!
[4:02] <uriah> :P
[4:03] <myself> "and a crate of miniHDMI connectors, remember how bad an idea that was? Well they're basically free, so...!"
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[4:06] <uriah> pretty sure the pi0 was meant mostly for projects which require a smaller form factor
[4:06] <uriah> hence the design choices
[4:07] <uriah> once you get the adaptor once, you don't really need more of them
[4:07] <myself> microHDMI would be even smaller and the adapters are way more common
[4:07] <uriah> hmm, k :P
[4:07] <myself> but, the connectors are in current production meaning they cost more... using abandoned connectors keeps the BOM cost down ;)
[4:08] <uriah> i guess that was another factor in their design ;)
[4:08] <myself> "what can we find in the couch cushions?"
[4:08] <[Saint]> "Can't we just put an RCA optical-out *and* a 3.5mm audio jack on the board?"
[4:08] <[Saint]> "...sir, that'll cost an additional $0.01 per board, and, frankly...that would be missing out on a really great opportunity to mess with people"
[4:08] <[Saint]> "As you were then. Y'know, you deserve a promotion Steve!"
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[4:08] <myself> What doesn't make sense is not padding out and additional USB port, but who knows.
[4:09] <myself> That can't be a cost thing, I think they're really just aiming for some other market that none of us have imagined. :P
[4:09] <uriah> heh
[4:10] <[Saint]> Next edition of the pi will have a single 3.5mm TRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRS adapter on it.
[4:10] <[Saint]> No other IO.
[4:10] <[Saint]> Just everything on 3.5mm out. GPIO, USB, ethernet...everything.
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[4:11] <myself> [Saint]++
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[4:13] <uriah> :>
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[4:25] <Valduare> g'evening
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[4:41] <reppard> evenin'
[4:43] <Valduare> lol https://www.adafruit.com/products/2710
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[5:49] <x3l3tric> Moment of truth: Just ran the dd command [Saint]. Now we wait to see if I screwed up anything
[5:49] <x3l3tric> It still hasn't output to the screen, though, which kinda scares me.
[5:50] <x3l3tric> It looks almost like it's frozen. But I know it's going to take a while. Just wish it had some kind of indicator bar
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[5:57] <pink_vampire> hi
[5:58] <pink_vampire> I need some advice
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[6:00] <Groggy> x3l3tric: you can pipe dd through pv (I think) and see the progress
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[6:02] <x3l3tric> A bit late for that now lol
[6:03] <Groggy> Yeah, I know. But for the future
[6:04] <x3l3tric> Thank mate
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[6:06] <Groggy> Np
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[6:08] <[Saint]> x3l3tric: 'sudo kill -USR1 $(pgrep ^dd)'
[6:08] <pink_vampire> I just need a recommendation for a nice 10" touch screen
[6:08] <[Saint]> to monitor dd process after the fact.
[6:09] <x3l3tric> You're not pulling my leg, are you?
[6:09] <[Saint]> you can wrap 'watch' around that for constant monitoring.
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[6:09] <[Saint]> ala - 'watch -n10 'sudo kill -USR1 $(pgrep ^dd)''
[6:09] <[Saint]> and, also, no.
[6:09] <[Saint]> no I am not.
[6:09] <[Saint]> that will provide updates on progress at 10s intervals.
[6:10] <[Saint]> I assure you that command is totally harmless.
[6:10] <[Saint]> though I can imagine your lack of trust with a sudo command with 'kill' in it.
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[6:11] <x3l3tric> Neiter command seems to do anythinfg
[6:11] <[Saint]> That would imply that there is no dd process running, then.
[6:11] <x3l3tric> That's very strange
[6:12] <[Saint]> either it finished already, or it never started.
[6:12] <x3l3tric> Because the prompt never came back up
[6:12] <x3l3tric> It still looks like it's in the middle of a process.
[6:12] <x3l3tric> Should I just close the terminal and try again?
[6:12] <[Saint]> Odd.
[6:12] <x3l3tric> IS it maybe because I tried to copy from device tod evice?
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[6:13] <x3l3tric> Like if=/dev/1 of=/dev/2
[6:13] <x3l3tric> But the numbers are the real device names
[6:14] <pink_vampire> ??
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[6:16] <x3l3tric> Still doesn't seem to be running
[6:17] <x3l3tric> That's odd. It was running, as there's an output file, but your command didn't work
[6:18] <x3l3tric> This'll take ForEvEr
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[6:46] <Lyka> yay!
[6:46] <Lyka> got my a+ to function as an audio receiver for my 2B
[6:47] <Lyka> using pulseaudio and an edit of my old cplay modification
[6:49] <Lyka> the only problem so far is that it can't immediatly jump to a new track, but that is very easy to work around in my setup
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[6:53] <Lyka> it's okay if i brag about my work here, right?
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[6:55] <x3l3tric> of course!
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[7:01] <Lyka> i put a 200s delay between tracks by ccident
[7:01] <Lyka> missed an 'm'
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[7:02] <CoJaBo> think i just killed a pi D=
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[7:02] * Lyka hands CoJaBo a defribrilator
[7:04] <Lyka> crap... 200ms isn't enough time
[7:05] <CoJaBo> A video cable rolled off the decsk and hit it :/
[7:06] * CoJaBo wonders how much chance it only popped the polyfuse
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[7:10] <Lyka> did you power-cycle?
[7:10] <Lyka> (of course you did)
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[7:14] <Lyka> trying for .5 sec delay and 200 ms latency
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[7:16] <Lyka> need the latency crap for the pulseaudio stream to come out of order
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[7:16] <Lyka> i mean, for the stream to come in order
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[7:18] <Lyka> damn...500ms not enough time
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[7:20] <CoJaBo> Lyka: No power light at all
[7:21] <Lyka> oh
[7:21] <CoJaBo> I think the fuse resets after a while, I'm leaving it sit to see..
[7:22] <chesty> it does, i have no experience, but some people say a pi that has recovered from a polyfuse pop will die in a few months
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[7:23] <Lyka> at least they are only $35
[7:24] <[Saint]> chesty: nah.
[7:24] <chesty> some people don't say that [Saint] ?
[7:25] <[Saint]> chesty: well, some people may, but, some people also believe there's a dude in the sky governing our every whim...so, yeah.
[7:25] <[Saint]> Saying something doesn't make it true.
[7:26] <[Saint]> Polyfuse will do this day in day out all day long until it is chemically incapable of doing so.
[7:28] <myself> It's more a question of what tripped the polyfuse. If you just shorted the power rails just on the other side of it, yeah, it's the only thing affected, and nothing will come of it. But if you shorted something downstream of a regulator and the regulator was conducting full fault current until the protector opened, then it might've sustained some damage, or whatever. Simply tripping a protector tells y
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[7:28] <myself> ou nothing, you need to know where the current went to infer anything from it.
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[7:29] <Lyka> okay, 5 second delay detween tracks seems to work so far...
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[7:32] <Lyka> seems to be cutting it very close, trying for 6 sec delay
[7:33] <Lyka> can't believe the connection lasts for 5 sec
[7:34] <Lyka> i mean, that it waits 5 sec before allowing a new stream
[7:34] <Lyka> there has to be a way to configure that
[7:35] <chesty> Lyka: I spent days trying to fix a pulseaudo problem on my laptop and a lot of troubleshooting guides were written for the pi. so there is help out there
[7:35] <Lyka> ty
[7:36] <chesty> my problem was soul crushing, it wasn't pulseaudo in the end, it was the bluetooth dongle had a range of a few inches, any more and music would cut out. a new $1 dongle fixed it
[7:36] <myself> gah
[7:37] <myself> that stuff will drive ya nuts
[7:37] <Lyka> using bluetooth spekers?
[7:37] <chesty> yeap
[7:37] <chesty> really nice too, has a battery and sound great for $125
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[7:37] <Lyka> i'm at the line-out-jack stage
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[7:42] <Lyka> i'm using an A+ as the receiving end
[7:44] <Lyka> runs cooler, uses less power, and i have to use it for something
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[7:47] <Lyka> night
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[7:56] <CoJaBo> Lyka|Away: Ye, but have to wait for chipping :/
[7:56] <CoJaBo> shipping
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[8:06] <ball> Are the PIO pins (and UART?) on a Raspberry Pi 3.3V or 5V?
[8:10] <ball> I'm thinking about displays that I could hook up.
[8:15] <ShorTie> pi is 3.3v
[8:16] <ball> Thanks ShorTie
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[8:34] <zirkuswurstikus> moin
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[8:36] <zirkuswurstikus> Is it possible to add a device to fstab without specifying the filesystem? I like to mount /dev/sda1 always to /mnt (ntfs,vfat...). Thank you.
[8:37] <ball> Sounds like a job for an automount daemon but I've no idea how those work on Linux.
[8:37] <zirkuswurstikus> ball: I'm using usbmount to. but if I reboot the pi, it is not executet
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[8:38] <zirkuswurstikus> Some info in general. I llike to use a pi 1 with minidlna. Once a drive is connected, it should be reindexed.
[8:39] <zirkuswurstikus> beside this minidlna, shows duplicate entries.
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[8:52] <ball> zirkuswurstikus: Sounds as though we might be building similar projects.
[8:52] <ball> It's 01:53 here though and I have to go to bed. Hopefully I'll be back on later today though.
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[8:53] <zirkuswurstikus> ball: I setup this for a friend. He use bubbleupnp. and the pi should only provide the music
[8:53] <pigrit> sup (other) geeks
[8:53] <Berg> rc.local
[8:53] <AiGreek> Morning
[8:53] <zirkuswurstikus> moin
[8:54] <Berg> https://www.raspberrypi.org/documentation/linux/usage/rc-local.md
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[9:34] <swift110-phone> Hey
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[10:05] <pyroxide> hate being sick
[10:05] <pyroxide> i work retail and i keep catching the cold
[10:05] <pyroxide> 6 times a year
[10:05] <AiGreek> poor little thing :(
[10:06] <pyroxide> i have the worst sore throat that i've ever had
[10:06] <AiGreek> you smoke ?
[10:07] <pyroxide> even chloroseptic doesn't work but for 30 seconds.
[10:07] <pyroxide> AiGreek non-smoker here
[10:08] <AiGreek> lucky you
[10:08] <pyroxide> i just grew up knowing it was a bad thing to start
[10:11] * Xark smoked as a stupid kid - but I remember it really sucked with a sore throat. Good time to quit perhaps... :)
[10:12] <AiGreek> my mom always said "if you can smoke, you're not sick"
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[10:12] <zirkuswurstikus> AiGreek: my mom,too. looks like they are all simmilliar :)
[10:13] <AiGreek> ^^
[10:14] <zirkuswurstikus> is there a command to simunlate the plugging out/in an usb device?
[10:16] <Xark> Hmm, https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/122234/is-it-possible-to-simulate-force-fake-an-usb-device-unplug-and-replug-on-linux - Basically if the USB is a kernel module, you can unload and reload (but not sure if applicable to Raspberry Pi).
[10:17] <Xark> (I am guessing not...based on no specific Google hits)
[10:18] <CoJaBo> Try to unload it that way; if it's a builtin, itll just error out
[10:18] <CoJaBo> Beware, you'll lose access to the pi if you turn off USB :P
[10:20] <IcicleLight> why not use virtual USB controller?
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[10:20] <IcicleLight> Or does it have to be the hardwarewired USB you need?
[10:21] <Xark> CoJaBo: Yeah, I was thinking that. Hardware serial terminal recommended. :)
[10:21] <IcicleLight> you could try this one: http://sourceforge.net/projects/usb-vhci/
[10:22] <Xark> zirkuswurstikus: As a practical alternative, there are short USB extension cables with switches to easily disconnect/reconnect. :)
[10:24] <CoJaBo> Xark: Or just MAKE SURE the command will bring it up after a sec :P
[10:24] <Xark> CoJaBo: :)
[10:24] <CoJaBo> IIRC, on the B, you can also cycle power per-port; might be finer-grained there
[10:24] <Xark> "What could possibly go wrong?"
[10:25] <zirkuswurstikus> thank you
[10:25] <CoJaBo> I got locked out of a server just today >_>
[10:25] <zirkuswurstikus> thats what i did
[10:25] <CoJaBo> Someone else's firewall rule. derp
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[10:27] <cluelessperson> question, how does raspberry pi deal with write limit of SD cards?
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[10:28] <CoJaBo> It doesn't; the controller on the chip manages that
[10:29] <CoJaBo> on the card, i mean
[10:29] <CoJaBo> Excellent vid on the reverse-engineering of one of those- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r3GDPwIuRKI
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[10:36] <zirkuswurstikus> btw, is there a distribution focus on serving music/media via dlna?
[10:37] <cluelessperson> I mean
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[10:37] <cluelessperson> won't the raspberry pi kill micro sd cards over time?
[10:37] <The_Letter_M> zirkuswurstikus, yes there is
[10:38] <zirkuswurstikus> The_Letter_M: ;)
[10:38] <zirkuswurstikus> The_Letter_M: can you recomment one
[10:38] <pigrit> cluelessperson er, yes ?
[10:38] <Mr_Sheesh> cluelessperson, it tends to have the bad habit of overwriting them, doesn't "kill" them but means you have to rewrite the boot card
[10:38] <pigrit> eventually ?
[10:39] <The_Letter_M> zirkuswurstikus, http://www.techradar.com/us/news/software/5-of-the-most-popular-raspberry-pi-distros-1292537
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[10:40] <The_Letter_M> Pi Musicbox
[10:41] <cluelessperson> Mr_Sheesh, pigrit Don't micro sd hvae limited write cycles?
[10:42] <SpeedEvil> A fundamental problem is microSD has no SMART
[10:42] <SpeedEvil> so you can't tell if it knows it's going to die.
[10:43] <SpeedEvil> A second problem is that it's basically a SSD - but the controller is as dumb as the very first SSDs, and in many cases will often crash lots irrecoverably, even if there is nothing in principle wrong with thehardware
[10:44] <The_Letter_M> SpeedEvil, are you making a point?
[10:44] <SpeedEvil> 'it doesn't' (deal with the write limit)
[10:44] <SpeedEvil> cluelessperson:
[10:45] <Xark> SpeedEvil: Just assume SD is always about to die and you will not be too far off. :)
[10:45] <The_Letter_M> SpeedEvil, ahh. I see
[10:45] <SpeedEvil> MicroSD doesn't have limited write cycles. The memory in the microSD has limited write cycles that the controller should cleanly handle, but due to compromises, does this nowherenear as well as a proper SSD and has many issues.
[10:46] <Mr_Sheesh> cluelessperson, uh limited but 5k+ or something?
[10:46] <SpeedEvil> Some of the more recent samsung SDs are reportedly better
[10:46] <SpeedEvil> Mr_Sheesh: Write amplification is unfortunately a thing.
[10:46] <SpeedEvil> Mr_Sheesh: Under various conditions, because the controller is dumb,you can get conditions where you write 4K, and the card rewrites a whole meg - wearing it.
[10:51] <The_Letter_M> BEHOLD!!! I will use my Raspberry Pi to build the most amazeballs project evar!! And when people see it, they will stare in awe at how awesome it is.
[10:52] <CoJaBo> The most annoying part is any power loss can corrupt the card
[10:52] <Xark> All glory to The_Letter_M! :D
[10:52] <CoJaBo> Read-only is a BIT safer, but under heavy reads, the card will do disturb-writes, and you can lose data that way too. Fun.
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[10:53] <The_Letter_M> I will... put it in a Lego brick case and play ROMs with Retro Pi!!
[10:53] <The_Letter_M> lol
[10:53] <Mr_Sheesh> I've seen the RPi power outage = fubared uSD card thing, yeah
[10:54] <The_Letter_M> Speaking of which, has anyone done Retro Pi but had all the ROMs on a network drive like and NFS or SMB share?
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[10:54] <CoJaBo> probanly
[10:55] <The_Letter_M> I mean like, has anyone here done that?
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[10:56] <The_Letter_M> I was wondering how the performance was. I don't think I'd try it with large file ROMs like PS1 or N64
[10:56] <The_Letter_M> like GBA and earlier
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[11:00] <SpeedEvil> Performance may be comparable or better
[11:00] <SpeedEvil> in some cases
[11:01] <SpeedEvil> Read speed over network to a fast server can often compare to SD read speed, even though SD is nominally slightly faster
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[11:23] <pyroxide> is php7 a gamechanger?
[11:24] <spm_draget> pyroxide: Not a revolution, but still very noticable performacne improvement on ZEND.
[11:24] <spm_draget> Combine it with an opcache
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[11:30] <pyroxide> gotta figure out MongoDB
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[11:48] <pigrit> The_Letter_M I have all my psx roms on the nas
[11:48] <pigrit> no trouble at all
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[12:12] <arcsky> Hello, anyone know any guide for makeing a console port on the RPi?
[12:12] <arcsky> remote
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[12:15] * ShorTie cornfused on what a 'console port' is
[12:16] <arcsky> serial port
[12:18] <myself> it's the uart pins on the gpio header
[12:18] <ShorTie> there is a serial port
[12:19] <myself> and every OS I'm aware of puts a console getty on that port when it boots
[12:19] <MY123> myself: no, the Pi2 and PiB+ don't output by default
[12:19] <MY123> for HAT compatibility
[12:20] <myself> really? whoah... how does the OS know not to do that?
[12:20] <MY123> mysoft: devicetree blobs
[12:21] <MY123> (in the overlays directory of the FAT partition)
[12:21] <myself> waitasec, I'm certain the one I have here is a B+ and I've.... okay lemme dig it out and confirm.
[12:23] <ShorTie> yes they do, it's in cmdline.txt, console=tty1
[12:24] <MY123> ShorTie: the UART GPIO multiplexing is done by the device tree
[12:24] <MY123> at least in 3.12, serial was not enabled by default in the DT
[12:27] <ShorTie> kernel 3.12 ??
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[12:32] <MY123> ShorTie: Linux 3.12
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[12:34] <MY123> it seems that they switched the default
[12:35] <ShorTie> thats kinda old, don't think they where using devicetree yet
[12:35] <MY123> ShorTie: it's the last kernel I used on a Pi
[12:36] <MY123> I use FreeBSD nowadays
[12:37] <MY123> Name: uart1
[12:37] <MY123> Info: Enable uart1 in place of uart0
[12:37] <MY123> Load: dtoverlay=uart1,<param>=<val>
[12:37] <MY123> Params: txd1_pin GPIO pin for TXD1 (14, 32 or 40 - default 14)
[12:37] <MY123> rxd1_pin GPIO pin for RXD1 (15, 33 or 41 - default 15)
[12:37] <ShorTie> Linux pi 4.1.13-v7+...., is like current
[12:37] <zirkuswurstikus> does somone noticed that "minidlna force-reload" do not update the files.db?
[12:38] <MY123> ShorTie: I actually tried to downgrade to 3.0, but it was a failure
[12:38] <MY123> (the Broadcom Android drivers depend on that :P)
[12:39] <ShorTie> ok, seems like your using a none official os, so not much help, from me atleast
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[13:31] <mohsen_> Guys, gonna buy an RPi 2, the shopkeeper says there is a UK version and a China version, the UK one costs a bit more than the china one, so what do you suggest?
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[13:35] * ShorTie Thinkz, China gets enough, support the UK if you can
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[13:36] <mohsen_> ShorTie: Is there any difference between them in performance?
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[13:39] <The_Letter_M> arcsky, I know I'm a couple hours late to the convo, but on the Retro Pi site they have a tutorial on making a connector for SNES controllers
[13:40] <The_Letter_M> arcsky, Here you go: http://blog.petrockblock.com/retropie/#retroadapter
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[15:10] <dewp> hey guys! i'm getting values out of my pi from a hall sensor, they are put every 1000ms in a mysql db. now i want to see a live graph (but not via plot.ly, would be good to have something which runs locally)
[15:10] <dewp> what would be a good idea? right now my steps were to use a webserver and php/d3 but it is not as easy as i hoped to get realtime update
[15:11] <dewp> so i'm here to ask what you would do or if this is a good way.
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[15:12] <chesty> there might be some nice php vector graphing libraries
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[15:13] <chesty> rather than load a new image every second, add a line of xml
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[15:16] <fluffet> i'm sure there are javascript libraries for this that use canvas or something?
[15:16] <catphish> is there much information around realtime programming the rPi (with or without linux)
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[15:18] <fluffet> or just use node and use websockets and canvas maybe
[15:18] <fluffet> i'm not sure :P
[15:18] <fluffet> could also create some kind of rest api that you ask every second and draw in canvas
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[15:20] <dewp> hmm hmm
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[15:21] <dewp> i think node.js and d3 would be perfect from what i read
[15:21] <dewp> iirc canvas is bitmap, not vector/svg,right?
[15:23] <fluffet> maybe you dont need to use canvas
[15:23] <fluffet> i dont know what d3 uses but i'm sure it has support for adding data realtime
[15:23] <chesty> oh, d3 is already svg. node or php won't make a difference, it's just querying the db and putting the data into json i guess
[15:25] <fluffet> great :)
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[15:29] <catphish> does anyone know if there's a pi emulator? i guess any arm emulator would be a start
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[15:30] <ray_caster> catphish: this maybe? https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=29&t=37386
[15:30] <catphish> ray_caster: thanks, i was just starting to look at qemu, that should do the job :)
[15:31] <catphish> i want to try to use a pi as a very fast microcontroller for some realtime stuff that needs ethernet and precise timing outputs
[15:36] <deshipu> catphish: bad idea
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[15:59] <catphish> deshipu: why?
[15:59] <pyroxide> no clock
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[16:00] <catphish> pyroxide: there must be some kind of CPU clock
[16:00] <pyroxide> it's not reliable
[16:00] <catphish> :|
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[16:00] <pyroxide> or something like that
[16:00] <catphish> i hope that's not true
[16:00] <uriah> hmm... would a pps from a gps module help?
[16:01] <pyroxide> you can buy a clock unit for the pi, but no clue how well it works
[16:01] <uriah> hmm...
[16:02] <catphish> looks like qemu doesn't support gpio, that's a shame
[16:02] <pyroxide> it does
[16:03] <catphish> really? i only found people saying it didn't
[16:03] <catphish> i'll look again
[16:03] <pyroxide> at least i think it does, i installed a Virtualbox VM and you can emulate the GPIO with QEMU
[16:03] <pyroxide> i know the VM is i386
[16:04] <catphish> well i386 isn't much use to me :)
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[16:05] <catphish> oh well, i'll start with qemu and no gpio
[16:07] <qubitnerd> catphish: what do you want to do ?
[16:08] <catphish> oh, the ethernet is USB, that probably rules out the rPi for what i want to do :(
[16:08] <qubitnerd> i missed a part of the conversation
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[16:08] <catphish> qubitnerd: i want to write a realtime program that accepts ethernet data, then drives LEDs (requiring extremely precise timing) on a GPIO port
[16:09] <qubitnerd> i see
[16:09] <qubitnerd> you might want to use a C library for that
[16:09] <catphish> the while thing will be written in assembler, no other way to get the necessary timing
[16:10] <ray_caster> Anyone well versed in the CPU architecture of the Pi2? Do all four cores have separate NEON units, i.e. will I be able to parallelize SIMD code on the Pi2 across all of its cores?
[16:10] <qubitnerd> yes
[16:10] <catphish> however, i'm not up to writing a USB Ethernet driver in assembler, so i'll have to look at alternative hardware
[16:10] <fluffet> can you really do ethernet data with precise timing?
[16:10] <qubitnerd> USB itself brings in its own latency
[16:11] <catphish> the ethernet latency isn't an issue, only the serial output needs the precise timing
[16:11] <chesty> are you transmitting data over LED?
[16:12] <catphish> lol no, just a serial interface that controls LEDs
[16:12] <catphish> but more precise than can be achieved reliably under linux
[16:12] <catphish> so needs to be realtime
[16:13] <fluffet> yeah you probably need a microcontroller
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[16:14] <chesty> i'm not sure why turning leds on needs to be precise, but have at it. all cc sized computers i've seen don't have pci, so ethernet is usb
[16:14] <catphish> chesty: i'm hoping some will have Ethernet on the SoC
[16:15] <chesty> without pci? ok i have no idea, there's banana pi and orange pi and odroid, they are alll the ones from the top of my head
[16:16] <qubitnerd> if you are ambitious you could bitbang on the gpio
[16:16] <catphish> i have a banana pro, i'm going to look into that
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[16:17] <catphish> qubitnerd: bitbanging GPIO is basically the only option, these LEDs have a super non-standard serial interface
[16:18] <catphish> i'm using an arduino right now, but it's not really fast enough for the amount of data i want to push through it
[16:20] <catphish> i'll read the A20 (banana's cpu) manual and see what can be done
[16:20] <chesty> can't you use a c version of the ethernet driver, receiving data doesn't need to be in realtime right? just the driving of the leds
[16:21] <catphish> chesty: correct
[16:22] <catphish> anyway, the good news is the A20 (banana pro) has ethernet on the CPU, seems to be pretty well documented, so i'll have a stab at it :)
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[16:31] <jamesl> how can I change the raspberry pi logo at the top of the screen in console mode to the standard Tux?
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[16:36] <qubitnerd> hmmm interesting ...
[16:36] <qubitnerd> i dont have a pi with me at the moment
[16:37] <qubitnerd> but first thing i'd try is look for image files in the boot partition
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[16:37] <qubitnerd> folder
[16:37] <jamesl> nevermind, I found there is no way to do it without recompiling the kernel.
[16:37] <qubitnerd> ah
[16:37] <qubitnerd> where ?
[16:37] <qubitnerd> jamesl: source wher eyou found out ?
[16:38] <jamesl> qubitnerd, http://www.articleworld.org/index.php/How_to_change_the_Linux_penguin_boot_logo
[16:40] <qubitnerd> jamesl: how about trying this hack ... compare the kernal binaries loook for the file in the kernel binary
[16:40] <pyroxide> o boy i can't wait to get started on my income tax
[16:40] <qubitnerd> its far fetched probably wouldnt work .. but i suppose the pi is for trying out fun stuff liek this anyway
[16:40] <jamesl> qubitnerd, that has a very high chance of breaking the kernel
[16:41] <qubitnerd> true ..true ..
[16:41] <qubitnerd> ill try it sometime when i get my pi back
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[17:12] <deshipu> catphish: there are lots of hardware interrupts
[17:12] <deshipu> catphish: that will interfere with your timings
[17:12] <deshipu> catphish: I suppose you could use DMA
[17:12] <catphish> deshipu: interesting, thanks, i'll have to see if these can be enabled and disabled
[17:13] <catphish> i likely don't need most of them
[17:14] <catphish> looks like there is ethernet tx dma
[17:15] <deshipu> catphish: I know that Servo Blaster uses DMA for bit-banging
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[17:17] <catphish> i'm fairly inexperienced with cpu programming, so will spend a while reading :)
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[17:18] <pink_vampire> hi
[17:18] <qubitnerd> hello
[17:19] <pink_vampire> I need some help with graphic design for ui
[17:20] <SopaAlt> pink_vampire, what kind of ui?
[17:21] <pink_vampire> I'm working on the UI, and I have about 50 sensors.. and instead of looks like user friendly, It became like a space craft panel..
[17:22] <pink_vampire> it's going to be a UI for 5 axis cnc machine,
[17:23] <pink_vampire> but just the electrical panel side..
[17:23] <pink_vampire> for the Gcode i have other program.
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[17:46] <CoJaBo> pink_vampire: Heh, I've seen those before..
[17:47] <qubitnerd> pink_vampire: you want to make a hardware panel ?
[17:47] <pink_vampire> yes..
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[17:47] <qubitnerd> like with real buttons and switches ?
[17:48] <qubitnerd> and what sort of communications does the CNC controller have ?
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[17:49] <CoJaBo> Hardware panels are more difficult, because you can't break them into pages lol..
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[17:50] <CoJaBo> The same basics apply tho, the first step is thinking about how users will use the panel, and grouping controls into sections; stuff that'll get used together. Multiple panels might be an option too if controls are very distinct
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[18:05] <x3l3tric> How do you migrate a Model B install to a Pi2? I tried following this guide (http://thepihut.com/blogs/raspberry-pi-tutorials/16982376-updating-raspbian-on-your-microsd-for-the-raspberry-pi-2), but the card quit working after copying the NOOBS Lite files over
[18:06] <pyroxide> tax refund yay
[18:06] <Chillum> x3l3tric: I am not sure but I think you need to do a dist-upgrade
[18:07] <Chillum> sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[18:07] <Chillum> it needs the latest kernel
[18:07] <x3l3tric> Should it just work after that?
[18:07] <Chillum> ohhh, I am using raspbian not noobs, may be different
[18:07] <Chillum> those instructions worked for me
[18:07] <x3l3tric> Why does noobs cause so many problems... ;.;
[18:08] <Chillum> it is in the name
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[18:08] <pyroxide> noobs is a destructive force to be reckoned with
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[18:10] <x3l3tric> I'm definitely realizing that now
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[18:11] <x3l3tric> Could it matter that I'm overclocked?
[18:11] <Chillum> I am a debian guy so raspbian is just a good fit for me
[18:11] <Chillum> seems to run most anything
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[18:12] <Spiffy> Chillum: Have a look at minibian ;)
[18:12] <x3l3tric> The sad part is, I only used NOOBS to install raspbian.
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[18:12] <x3l3tric> I honestly have no clue why I didn't just install the Raspbian image.
[18:13] <Chillum> Spiffy: interesting. I am just using raspbian lite
[18:13] <Chillum> how mini is it?
[18:13] <Chillum> faq is pretty useless lol
[18:13] <Spiffy> Last time i checked (a while ago) it was even smaller than the lite. It feels a lot like a basic debian install
[18:14] <Spiffy> About the wheezy version: "In this way, we have an embedded system that can boot in 22 seconds, use 45MB RAM and 522MB of disk space."
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[18:22] <Chillum> hmm 1gb microsd cards are very cheap
[18:22] <Chillum> if I was going to make 1000 of a device I would want the microsd to be the cheapest possible
[18:22] <Chillum> so I see the value
[18:22] <pyroxide> MongoDB handles web scale. You turn it on and it scales right up.
[18:24] <pyroxide> yet i have to figure out why i am getting connection refused errors
[18:25] <Chillum> I just installed 32gb ram and am playing with redis, damn in memory dbs are fast
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[18:37] <Lep2> I am trying to let my gpio pythion garage door script run at boot via rc.local but it does not seem to run?
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[18:39] <pyroxide> can mongodb run on a pi2 with such low memory?
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[18:40] <deshipu> of course it can, it's a normal linux system
[18:40] <deshipu> the question is, why would you do that
[18:40] <Chillum> Lep2: it may be that the environment variables are not the same
[18:40] <frigginglorious> the internet says there was success in this. http://andyfelong.com/2015/12/mongodb-3-0-7-on-raspberry-pi-2/
[18:40] <Chillum> try using all absolute paths to refer to any file
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[18:41] <pyroxide> web server. perhaps there's something special that i have to do in arch linux arm
[18:41] <Chillum> so for each command look up where it is with: which gzip
[18:41] <Chillum> which should return something like: /bin/gzip
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[18:42] <Lep2> Chillum the script is /home/pi/rav/done.py
[18:42] <pyroxide> deshipu: just wanted to try something new
[18:42] <Lep2> and i use python /home/pi/rav/done.py in rc.local
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[18:42] <Chillum> /usr/bin/python /home/pi/rav/done.py
[18:43] <frigginglorious> Lep2: are you running raspbian or another OS?
[18:43] <Chillum> and pipe its stderr into a file so you can see what is going wrong
[18:43] <Lep2> frigginglorious raspbian
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[18:45] <Chillum> same behaviour as any debian system
[18:46] <frigginglorious> pyroxide: I just got my pi zero, and put arch on it last night! did you have any issues with wifi dongles or setting up auto network connect with netctl? or do you just have an ethernet chord in it?
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[18:48] <pyroxide> frigginglorious: i had no problem with wifi-menu
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[18:48] <pyroxide> pacman -S wifi-menu iw wpa_supplicant
[18:48] <frigginglorious> pyroxide: that sounds like something I should look into, i will give it a shot :D
[18:49] <pyroxide> use that command to get wifi-menu
[18:49] <frigginglorious> +
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[18:51] <pyroxide> eh mongo is too far out there for me. sqlite should be sufficient
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[18:55] <x3l3tric> Looks like the Pi2's coming up. I think it was the extra NOOBS step that messed up everything.
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[18:55] <Chillum> nice
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[18:58] <x3l3tric> Anyone happen to know offhand what the pi2's stock clocks are?
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[18:58] <pyroxide> 900 core
[18:59] <Chillum> 900mhz if I remember correctly
[18:59] <pyroxide> boyond that idk
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[19:05] <Neko`> hi
[19:07] <Neko`> i have a probleme, i have formated my sd card directly on rpi on, but know it won't boot,.any idea ?
[19:07] <Neko`> i don't have a pc
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[19:08] <Neko`> i put archarm on the sd
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[19:09] <Kitt3n> Neko`, if the pi won't boot and you don't have a PC nearby with the ability to read SD cards, you're fucked
[19:09] <Neko`> boot in the first part' and the root in sda, i'v modified config file
[19:09] <Neko`> mh
[19:09] <Neko`> fusc
[19:10] <Kitt3n> follow the archarm how to set it up for Pi :p
[19:10] <Kitt3n> if there is one, hurr.
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[19:11] <Neko`> i was following archarm tuto
[19:11] <Neko`> ahahahahah
[19:11] <Neko`> .
[19:11] <Kitt3n> well then you did something wrong :P
[19:12] <Neko`> nope
[19:12] <Kitt3n> obviously you must've done something wrong :p
[19:12] <frigginglorious> idk how you managed to do it without a PC
[19:12] <Kitt3n> pssst, or you could go for an easier-to-use distro, or even freebsd, lol.
[19:13] <Neko`> i put original file and modified only the root
[19:13] <frigginglorious> I followed this last night, nearly letter for letter, to set up my pi zero http://archlinuxarm.org/platforms/armv6/raspberry-pi
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[19:14] <Neko`> frigginglorious: i was running archarm with a noobs card
[19:14] <Neko`> and root on my external dd
[19:15] <Neko`> but noobs is buggy
[19:15] <Neko`> and fuck
[19:15] <Kitt3n> I tried noobs once, hated it
[19:15] <Kitt3n> worthless pos :s
[19:15] <Neko`> so im fucked
[19:16] <Neko`> i don't have a pc, no one have a pc here
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[19:17] <Inane> Anyone here that know python?
[19:18] <ppq> probably
[19:18] <Inane> So somethings wrong with my if statement, if I pass "curl 127.0.0.1:5000/todo/api/v1.0/led/11/1", but not when I pass "curl 127.0.0.1:5000/todo/api/v1.0/led/11/0" My code https://gist.github.com/AlexanderMalmstrom/9a2677981bbe34c808c6
[19:18] <x3l3tric> Out of curiosity, anyone else OC their Pi 2?
[19:19] <Inane> And the led is lighting up and down as it should
[19:19] <Inane> I have
[19:20] <Inane> <x3l3tric> How much did you OC yours
[19:20] <impure_hate> is it possible to buy pi zero in europe?
[19:20] <x3l3tric> I haven't messed with the settings yet. I had my Model B up at like 1000MHz, I don't really remember what I had the other settings as.
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[19:21] <x3l3tric> Just curious as to what most people are hitting so I have a good starting point.
[19:21] <Inane> Aha, Im running it at 1GHz, don't really need more ATM
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[19:22] <Kitt3n> x3l3tric, you clocked the Pi (1) B to 1 ghz? o_O
[19:22] <Inane> Now Pi 2
[19:22] <x3l3tric> Yeah. The stock was 700MHz IIRC
[19:22] <Inane> Yeah i know
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[19:23] <x3l3tric> It may have been like 950. Pretty sure it was 1000. It had like a 2-3 overvolt
[19:23] <x3l3tric> Not sure why that's so surprising, haha.
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[19:24] <Inane> impure_hate I know a Swedish store that has it on there website, its out of stock tho (What a surprise)
[19:24] <Inane> I have 2 overvolt
[19:24] <impure_hate> possibly someone with more than one zero willing to send me one? :))
[19:24] <impure_hate> that sentence..
[19:24] <impure_hate> :D
[19:26] <Inane> What temps is your pi?
[19:26] <x3l3tric> mine hovered in the low60s
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[19:27] <Inane> Fahrenheit or Celsius?
[19:27] <x3l3tric> I have adhesive heatsink squares on the larger chips, though. and celcius
[19:28] <Inane> Mine is about 36 without case, and with (closed) case around 50
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[19:29] <Tenkawa> hi all
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[19:29] <Inane> Hey
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[20:07] <x3l3tric> Is 1300MHz ARM_Freq reasonable on a Pi 2 with 2 overvolt?
[20:08] <x3l3tric> Or should I start off with something lower?
[20:08] <pyroxide> woah.
[20:08] <pyroxide> do you have heatsinks?
[20:08] <x3l3tric> Non-metal, but yes
[20:09] <Chillum> let us know how it turns out if you try
[20:09] <x3l3tric> I can check temps while it's running. I've been running 4 overvolt on a Model B for 4 months with the same heatsinks
[20:09] <pyroxide> you can always try, worst that can happen is some instability. i've heard of people doing 1500 though
[20:09] <x3l3tric> Should I start with 1250?
[20:09] <pyroxide> i haven't tried beyond 1200. you can also increase some other clocks like memory
[20:10] <pyroxide> http://haydenjames.io/raspberry-pi-2-overclock/
[20:10] <x3l3tric> Just realized I did this... is 500 totally unreasonable for core_clock?
[20:10] <x3l3tric> Apparently that's what my Model B was set to
[20:10] <x3l3tric> core_freq, my bd
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[20:10] <pyroxide> nah
[20:11] <pyroxide> core_freq 500 is modest.
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[20:12] <x3l3tric> looks like the default was 250...
[20:12] <pyroxide> o rly?
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[20:15] <x3l3tric> According to this
[20:16] <x3l3tric> https://www.raspberrypi.org/documentation/configuration/config-txt.md
[20:16] <pyroxide> i don't believe that weas updated for the pi2
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[20:23] <Tenkawa> I picked up a case/hearsink for my pizero today yay!!
[20:24] <Tenkawa> er heatsink
[20:24] <Tenkawa> that should be fun when i get home
[20:25] <Tenkawa> and picked up a replacement ci20 that hopefully wont have a bad solder joint on the power pins
[20:25] <Tenkawa> x3l3tric: did you ever get all your card space assigned?
[20:25] <x3l3tric> Yep, working on OC settings now
[20:25] <Tenkawa> cool
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[20:26] <ShapeShifter499> hi
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[20:26] <x3l3tric> Someone refresh my memory, how are you supposed to modify config.txt again?
[20:26] <ShapeShifter499> is there a layout of the traces of the Raspberry Pi Zero?
[20:26] <x3l3tric> on a remote box that is
[20:27] <x3l3tric> not remote, I mean just not on the pi. Do I need to use a linux box?
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[20:27] <ShapeShifter499> I need to fix a bad solder that ripped a solder pad on the back (marked pi22 and pi23) and I wanted to make sure which pin they went to on the OTG port
[20:27] <Chillum> Tenkawa: I ran my full tilt for a while and it did not get that hot, does it need a sink?
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[20:31] <x3l3tric> Can't find the "Only accessible file" mentioned on the pi.org page... possibly a result of NOOBS again
[20:32] <x3l3tric> Guess I'm restarting the linux box... lol
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[20:34] <Chillum> you can save a lot of time by knowing when to start over
[20:36] <x3l3tric> ?
[20:36] <ShapeShifter499> I'm guessing a schematic of the pi zero board wouldn't be available due to fears of copycats huh?
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[20:37] <Chillum> I thought they did all open source hardware, but I can't find the pcb files anywhere
[20:37] <Chillum> perhaps they will release it later
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[20:38] <x3l3tric> Were you talking to me Chillum with the start over comment?
[20:39] <Tenkawa> Chillum: I only got the heat sink because it came with the case
[20:40] <Chillum> x3l3tric: when you said "Guess I'm restarting the linux box" I took it to mean you are starting over with raspbian, I thought that was a good idea
[20:40] <Chillum> perhaps I misunderstood
[20:40] <ShapeShifter499> Here are images of the board http://imgur.com/a/VCNh9 I'm so afraid to try to solder again and screw up. Someone here mentioned yesterday I might be able to tag wires from the traces before the area where the pads came off to the pins in the front of the OTG Micro B port but I'm not exactly sure in which order.
[20:40] <Chillum> Tenkawa: it couldn't hurt
[20:41] <Chillum> pp23 and pp22 are the usb data pins
[20:41] <Chillum> not sure which is + or - but it should match the pinout on the port
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[20:42] <x3l3tric> Nonono, I meant restarting the other linux box I've been using for GParted and stuff
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[20:42] <ShapeShifter499> Chillum: on the front (via my pic) the two pins on the left of the OTG port with the vias, what are those?
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[20:43] <irc_smirk> hello
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[20:44] <Chillum> ShapeShifter499: I am not sure what you mean, can you describe it using different words?
[20:45] <x3l3tric> Phew, that's a relief. Thought I may have messed up the way I partitioned things, I think I just had a bad OC setting
[20:45] <ShapeShifter499> as seen in my pic it should be (left to right) ground, sense pin, data +, data -, and power
[20:45] <x3l3tric> You can modify Config.txt from the pi, since it loads it only on boot, right?
[20:45] <ShapeShifter499> Chillum: the third pic in my album of the raspi damage
[20:46] <Chillum> ok, I see what you mean
[20:46] <Chillum> right beside the letters J10 right?
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[20:47] <ShapeShifter499> Chillum: yes to the left
[20:47] <x3l3tric> Hmm, my pi seems to not like 1200MHz, no matter the ov
[20:49] <irc_smirk> oh wow
[20:49] <Chillum> they look like they are attached to the usb pins next to them, but hard to be sure
[20:49] <irc_smirk> look at this mess now
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[20:49] <Chillum> but those are NC and GND
[20:49] <ShapeShifter499> Chillum: I was attempting this and pulled the pads in the process http://frederickvandenbosch.be/?p=1343 (pi zero usb hub mod)
[20:49] <irc_smirk> http://www.infowars.com/shock-video-shows-migrants-in-berlin-shooting-guns-throwing-fireworks/
[20:49] <Chillum> I am planning to try something much like that
[20:50] <Chillum> I think hot glue is a most for that sort of things. Those pads are meant for probes, they are not meant to hold mechanical stress
[20:50] <ShapeShifter499> whelp I screwed up..... pulling those pads killed usb support
[20:51] <Chillum> well, it is still good for a gpio based project
[20:51] <Chillum> test if the GND on the usb is connected to GND on the pi
[20:52] <Chillum> it may be as simple as reconnecting gnd
[20:52] <Chillum> I notice yours has a black felt pen mark on it, so does mine. Probably part of testing
[20:52] <ShapeShifter499> Chillum: The power and gnd of the OTG port works fine as a USB hub will light then go out
[20:52] <ShapeShifter499> it was working before but not now
[20:52] <irc_smirk> so who is giving these kids guns?
[20:53] <x3l3tric> irc_smirk, I think you may be in the wrong channel.
[20:53] <Chillum> unless the guns were somehow automated with a Pi
[20:53] <irc_smirk> sorry for breaking your trance
[20:54] <x3l3tric> Great, now we're all going to be labeled as terrorists
[20:54] <irc_smirk> why?
[20:54] <x3l3tric> Chillum lol
[20:55] <ShapeShifter499> Chillum: that blog page I posted says PP22 is data + and PP23 is - so the trace from PP22 should be scraped and connected to the OTG pin on the front above the '0' where it's marked 'J10' right?
[20:55] <irc_smirk> wake up history is rumbling
[20:55] <ShapeShifter499> PP23 would be connected to the pin above the '1'
[20:56] <Chillum> https://www.moddiy.com/product_images/uploaded_images/569499056-533.jpg
[20:56] <Chillum> err that is not the best, rx/tx are just wrong
[20:56] <Chillum> this is better: http://pinouts.ru/visual/micro_usb.jpg
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[20:56] <ShapeShifter499> Chillum: rx/tx on that pic was wrong? That's what I was looking at just before you posted lol
[20:57] <Chillum> usb uses differential signals, D- and D+ have the same data going both ways
[20:57] <irc_smirk> nevermind. but hey. go buy a powerball ticket everyone!
[20:57] <Chillum> so that any interference can be subtracted from the signal
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[21:00] <Chillum> I am having trouble rotating things in my head and converting male to female pinouts in my head. But the info is there
[21:01] <ShapeShifter499> Chillum: I think I got it now, the pin above '0' is positive and should be connected to the trace leading from PP22 and the pin above '1' is negative should be connected to the trace leading from PP23
[21:01] <Chillum> sounds right
[21:01] <Chillum> how are you going to connect them? Wrapping short wires around the edge?
[21:02] <ShapeShifter499> I better get a thinner tipped soldering iron before attempting this
[21:02] <ShapeShifter499> Chillum: yea
[21:02] <Chillum> solid core with insulation I would think
[21:02] <ShapeShifter499> one going to the left and one going to the right then wrapping around the edge
[21:02] <Chillum> normally I make these bridges with resistor leads but in this case you have to worry about shorting on the port
[21:02] <Chillum> it will look cool
[21:03] <Chillum> and give you a place to solder too
[21:03] <ShapeShifter499> Chillum: assuming I don't damage further
[21:03] <Chillum> I think at least you won't make it worse
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[21:03] <ShapeShifter499> Chillum: lol
[21:04] <Chillum> and it is still good for GPIO work, you can access it with serial
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[21:05] <Chillum> I really wish they had usb broken out into the GPIO since day 1
[21:06] <Chillum> and audio
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[21:08] <x3l3tric> I think it may have actually been core clock that messed me up
[21:08] <x3l3tric> issue seemed to persist even after lowering arm freq down to 1100
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[21:13] <Neko`> hep
[21:13] <Neko`> i manage to set my sdcard with an android tablet
[21:13] <Neko`> :D
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[21:19] <Chillum> https://www.raspberrypi.org/magpi/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/cadzero.png <-- only 1 out of 4 or more layers
[21:19] <Chillum> but neat
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[21:20] <Chillum> ShapeShifter499: it does show those two vias connecting to those pins
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[21:21] <CoJaBo> 5v is yellow?
[21:22] <Chillum> I think so
[21:22] <Chillum> usb 5v in
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[21:22] <Chillum> interesing that the otg usb is not on that line
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[21:32] <ShapeShifter499> Chillum: those pins don't carry data though?
[21:32] <ShapeShifter499> I cannot find where those vias are on the backside
[21:32] <Chillum> it is a many layered board
[21:33] <Chillum> the other end of the vias are buried, you can't see what is happening
[21:33] <ShapeShifter499> oooh
[21:34] <ShapeShifter499> Chillum: I thought the pi had only two, the front and the back
[21:34] <ozzzy> all the components are on the outsides... you can still 'beep out' a multilayer board... it's just ferociously tedious
[21:34] <Chillum> ShapeShifter499: I don't know for sure but I would be shocked if it was less than 4
[21:34] <Chillum> those bga chips need layers
[21:35] <ShapeShifter499> Chillum: I saw a teardown of the pi zero and the bga are stacked
[21:35] <ShapeShifter499> pop package
[21:35] <ShapeShifter499> Chillum: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HH5cFqc9OcM
[21:35] <ShapeShifter499> that's the teardown
[21:35] <Chillum> nice, I love teardowns
[21:35] <Chillum> before the internet I just took everything apart
[21:37] <Chillum> the vias on the back don't match the vias under the chip, therefore it must be more than 2 layers
[21:37] <ShapeShifter499> Chillum: I guess that makes sense
[21:38] <ShapeShifter499> Chillum: the vias on the back appear well attached so I wonder where exactly I broke the usb otg connection
[21:38] <Chillum> note the 2 vias on the bottom and centered on the otg port, but on they top they are offset
[21:39] <ShapeShifter499> I saw that
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[21:39] <ShapeShifter499> I have vary basic electronics knowledge, I'm more on the software side and even there I'm not a programmer expert
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[21:45] <ShapeShifter499> Chillum: do you think I could be bypassing anything then by rerouting the data pins from the otg port?
[21:46] <Chillum> well, any component would be on the top
[21:46] <Chillum> so I think it is probably just routed around stuff in the inbetween layers
[21:47] <Chillum> you could use a MM to test the gpios
[21:47] <Chillum> err the vias
[21:47] <Chillum> to each other
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[21:48] <ShapeShifter499> I'll have to scrape off the solder mask
[21:48] <x3l3tric> Could setting the h264 clock, isp clock, and v3d clocks to different things cause issues?
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[21:54] <gzuh> has anyone used eltechs exagear desktop?
[21:54] <Lep2> Hey guys, I need to find a way to do something after 30 seconds, repeatedly without using sleep : https://bpaste.net/show/3b52566edfe0 If HuidigeCombinatie ==8 than 30 seconds have to start , if 30 seconds past than speel_fragment(HuidigeCombinatie) , can't use sleep since it needs to keep checking input changes
[21:55] <deshipu> Lep2: just add a counter after that sleep(1)
[21:55] <gzuh> Lep2: have you tried cron?
[21:55] <deshipu> Lep2: and do stuff when the counter reaches 30
[21:55] <Lep2> deshipu can you make an example?
[21:55] <deshipu> Lep2: ah, you have two places with a sleep, just increment the counter in both
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[21:59] <x3l3tric> Getting a really weird error when I try to start rtorrent.
[21:59] <x3l3tric> "Could not lock session directory:
[21:59] <x3l3tric> "./session/", held by "<error>".
[21:59] <x3l3tric> Any idea what that means or how to fix it?
[22:00] <CoJaBo> x3l3tric: is it already running?
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[22:00] <x3l3tric> Shouldn't be.
[22:00] <CoJaBo> check ps
[22:00] <x3l3tric> I set up a script to make it run automatically, but it never worked.
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[22:02] <x3l3tric> I'm not seeing anything with that label in ps
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[22:03] <x3l3tric> I cleared that entry from crontab, we'll see if it works now
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[22:04] <DrunkenDwarf> Hi all, Is there a reliable way to tell if java code is running on the pi? I've tried querying the OS name, but that just returns linux, which is the same on a normal nix desktop as it is a pi
[22:04] <x3l3tric> Still getting that same error, even after reboot. Nothing should be accessing that folder
[22:06] <x3l3tric> Just found a supposed solution, we'll see if it worked
[22:06] <RedNifre> DrunkenDwarf not I understand the question, do you mean checking if java is installed or checking if there's a binary available for the current os? Or what?
[22:06] <RedNifre> oh, you mean to check from within java code?
[22:07] <DrunkenDwarf> sorry, re-reading that was very unclear :S yeah, in java code I want to check whether my application is being run on a pi or not, cause querying OSname is insufficient
[22:08] <x3l3tric> rtorrent starts now, now to see if my real issue has been resolved... heh
[22:09] <x3l3tric> Wow, it very well may have been.
[22:09] <x3l3tric> I'm going to be absolutely stunned if this all works right]
[22:09] <RedNifre> Given that many operating system run on the Pi this sounds quite tricky. If Java has no built in way to query something like hardware vendor IDs I can only think of hackish ways like checking the MAC address of the network card, which might hint to the network card modell and vendor (assuming that the Pi uses a network chip that isn't common in non-Pi hardware).
[22:11] <gzuh> DrunkenDwarf: what about executing `uname -a`
[22:11] <x3l3tric> And it didn't. Big surprise. Haha
[22:12] <Kitt3n> DrunkenDwarf, one way you could do is read /etc/fstab, parse that and look for the fat32 partition, and checking if the typical Pi files are on that partition :p
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[22:12] <DrunkenDwarf> gzuh, hmm, worth a try
[22:13] <gzuh> DrunkenDwarf: i'm on rpi2 right now and my uname -a outputs: Linux raspberrypi 4.1.13-v7+ #826 SMP PREEMPT Fri Nov 13 20:19:03 GMT 2015 armv7l GNU/Linux
[22:13] <ppq> DrunkenDwarf, http://elinux.org/RPi_HardwareHistory#Which_Pi_have_I_got.3F
[22:13] <DrunkenDwarf> Kitt3n, thats also a good idea. .. now to get a Pi Emu up and running to test, as all my pis are busy atm
[22:13] <ppq> DrunkenDwarf, in short, check /proc/cpuinfo
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[22:13] <Kitt3n> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
[22:13] <Kitt3n> that would be a very good idea
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[22:13] <gzuh> DrunkenDwarf: i should specify i'm on raspbian
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[22:15] <jamesl> How much can the pi zero be underclocked to? I will be running completely headless and all it will do is run a python script at boot.
[22:15] <DrunkenDwarf> ahhh, so uname -a and parse that for raspberry will work. .. if OSname comes back as linux, if not then windows or mac
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[22:16] <ppq> DrunkenDwarf, the second thing uname -a tells you is just the hostname. that can vary easily
[22:16] <DrunkenDwarf> I really must try to get QEmu working on my windows box :S
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[22:16] <gzuh> ppq: ah i see
[22:17] <ppq> srsly though, just check /proc/cpuinfo.
[22:17] <ppq> that exists in every distribution
[22:17] <DrunkenDwarf> i think thats how ill go
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[22:21] <anticore> hi friends. i've installed a fresh raspbian lite image into my sd and configured usb mount, nginx (for autoindexing usb content) and pulseaudio (to serve as a sink). i shutdown the pi and backed up the sd into an image, and when i rebooted the pi, it was inaccessible. the router's web ui shows the pi connected, but pinging the ip, or accessing through http or ssh doesn't work. what might be happening?
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[22:22] <RedNifre> does the pi have any built in input output? Like an LED or a button?
[22:23] <Neko`> someone use berryboot ?
[22:23] <langlee> anticore maybe the ip changed...
[22:23] <anticore> langlee: i use the ip the router displays
[22:24] <langlee> ok just a thought
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[22:33] <Neko`> question, how can i set a different partitipn for home with berryboot ?
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[22:37] <gzuh> Neko`: /etc/fstab
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[22:45] <x3l3tric> Wow.
[22:45] <x3l3tric> Apparently when I did the migration, a select few torrents got messed up due to extenuating circumstances.
[22:46] <x3l3tric> A couple of which I didn't have copies of :*(
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[22:48] <x3l3tric> Looks like just 3. And I can get them back. Woo!
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[23:14] <merrick`> Yay, I made my pi blink some lights...weee heh
[23:14] <RedNifre> merrick` how hard is it to connect an LED and a button to it?
[23:15] <methuzla> ahhh led blink, the hello world of hardware
[23:15] <RedNifre> ...and have software react to the button and make the LED blink?
[23:15] <merrick`> I've not done the button thing yet, good idea though, that'll be next!
[23:16] <merrick`> this is my first trip to hardware land, i've done light coding and stuff before, but now it made things happen in the "real world"!
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[23:16] <methuzla> what are you coding in?
[23:16] <merrick`> python
[23:17] <merrick`> started with an on script to turn an LED on..now i have 3 leds on the breadboard blinking in different patterns and stuff
[23:17] <methuzla> adding a button will be pretty easy code wise
[23:17] <merrick`> also learning proper coding stuff like doing the gpio cleanup when finished etc
[23:18] <RedNifre> I don't even have a pi yet, do you just plug in an LED somewhere or do you have to solder something?
[23:18] <methuzla> but learn about pull up/down resistor and how they are used on input
[23:18] <gordonDrogon> RedNifre, you need a solderless breadbord (well don't need one, but they work well)
[23:18] <methuzla> RedNifre generally one works on a breadboard (no soldering)
[23:18] <gordonDrogon> see pictures here for example: https://projects.drogon.net/raspberry-pi/gpio-examples/tux-crossing/
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[23:19] <merrick`> methuzla, I got the canakit which only comes with 2 types of resistor (I learned how to read the color/stripes yay), not sure what you're reffering to exactly but I'll get there I'm sure
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[23:20] <methuzla> merrick` basic idea is to assert a known state on the input pin when the button is not pressed (which is typically open)
[23:20] <RedNifre> uh-huh, so I plug in a board into the pi, add some LEDs, wires and resistors and I'm done? Will forgetting the resistors fry the pi or does the power come from somewhere else i.e. the pi only controls the LEDs but doesn't power it?
[23:20] <gordonDrogon> more likely to fry the LED.
[23:20] <methuzla> merrick` otherwise the pin would be floating and could read either high or low
[23:21] <merrick`> RedNifre, i have a "cobbler" thing that connects from the pi GPIO pinout thing to the breadboard, then you place the resistors/LEDs/cables in the right places, right some code to activate the right pins on the GPIO stuff and blinks happen hehe
[23:21] * gordonDrogon blinks :)
[23:21] <merrick`> methuzla, so, i'd be polling the LED(?? or circuit?) to see what state it's in?
[23:22] <merrick`> I'm still working on terminology at this point so forgive me if I sound naive.
[23:22] <methuzla> merrick` no, only applies for input
[23:22] <gordonDrogon> you can poll a button then do "stuff" when the button is pushed (or released)
[23:22] <methuzla> merrick` so, when you start playing with buttons
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[23:25] <merrick`> i need to learn how to read these schematics now, with the lines that look like ---v^v^v--- etc
[23:26] <methuzla> merrick` google "electrical schematic symbols"
[23:27] <myself> there might be youtube videos for that!
[23:27] <merrick`> will do! already reading up on basics, I have a light grasp on resistance/ohms/volts/amps yada yada but need to *know* how they relate. I can guess, but that can be bad.
[23:28] <myself> Ohm's law! It's super powerful.
[23:28] <myself> Find a local hackerspace or ham radio club if you need to chill with some folks who already grok that.
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[23:29] <myself> But really, spend 2 hours on youtube with a pencil and paper in front of your PC. Pause it and work things out then see if they worked it the same way you did. You'll come up to speed fast.
[23:30] <merrick`> I was already reaching for a pen and paper earlier when someone was working formulas with ohms law
[23:31] <myself> Awesome. Go with that. No type until more work. Work work work!
[23:31] <gordonDrogon> Ω
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[23:52] <Neko`> can i set a partition for other data with berryboot ?
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[23:55] <Neko`> ?
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[23:57] <gzuh> Neko`: does fstab not work with berryboot? you might need to set up each distro.
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