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IRC Log for 2016-01-11

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[0:09] <pyroxide> perhaps noip will accept my refund request, since i purchased a year of service just yesterday
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[0:22] <DrunkenDwarf> Hi all. Anyone got any experience with omxplayer? I know it's the only real way to get HD video on the pi smoothly but it seems to have a very limited api. I can get playing, skipping and stopping through a FIFO passing keyboard commands, but cant seem to get access to anything more running it from my application (Java btw)
[0:22] <merrick`> pyroxide, you found that your ISP is blocking port 80?
[0:24] <pyroxide> merrick`; correct
[0:26] <merrick`> can you have your noip do a redirect to 8080?
[0:26] <merrick`> i see your badass 420blazeit scion stuff now :D
[0:26] <merrick`> (on 8080 of course)
[0:27] <pyroxide> yeah, well..it's the same as http://pyroxi.de
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[0:27] <pyroxide> i just took out the domain shortener
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[0:28] <pyroxide> hosted by 000webhost which had a database attack awhile ago
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[0:28] <pyroxide> wanted to get away from them
[0:29] <merrick`> looks like noip will let you redirect port 80 if that's any consolation.
[0:29] <pyroxide> nah it wont accept forwarding from 80 to 8080
[0:29] <pyroxide> i tried
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[0:32] <merrick`> lame
[0:34] <pyroxide> i've run out of ideas, since i can't use my pi as a mail server, either
[0:35] <pyroxide> i would like to see hardware accelerated vnc
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[0:38] <merrick`> I'm still making LEDs blink :)
[0:38] <merrick`> (learning python)
[0:40] <merrick`> I hope the redskins go to the superbowl, just so I can watch the shit show that'll be made about their name.
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[0:42] <myself> I ain't the language police but be mindful of the channel guidelines and topic. :)
[0:42] <myself> For bonus points, make your LEDs blink out "hello world" in morse code...
[0:43] <merrick`> ah, my bad
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[0:44] <merrick`> makes sense, the pi is a learning tool, great for kids etc.
[0:44] <merrick`> thanks for the reminder :)
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[0:44] <merrick`> also already had the idea of doing morse code, and maybe parsing the time and having it blink accordingly.
[0:44] <merrick`> might do that next.
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[0:49] <fragmint> its a common misconception that the pi is a learning tool
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[0:52] <myself> It's actually a frustrating tool, learning just comes out of the frustration :P
[0:52] <chesty> yeah, just because it was the main goal of the creator, doesn't make it so
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[0:53] <merrick`> it's cheap and accessible, and seems to be a popular way to learn, it's promoted as such. ::shrug::
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[0:55] <chesty> from what i remember of interviews, the creator wanted it priced as cheap as possible so schools could buy one for each student, also gpio so they could interact with it.
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[0:56] <pyroxide> i can't get https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/User:Herodotus/Rc-Local-Systemd to work either
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[0:57] <pyroxide> it's just not my day
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[0:58] <pyroxide> well noip just issued my refund
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[0:59] <myself> that was nice of them
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[1:00] <x3l3tric> How bad of an idea would it be to move my SETTINGS partition using GParted with the Align option set to "None"?
[1:00] <x3l3tric> I keep having SD card issues, and I think it could possibly be due to GParted shrinking that partition slightly when I try to move it to a different part of the disc
[1:00] <x3l3tric> The boot partition is staying exactly where it's at, BTW
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[1:01] <myself> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jyaLZHiJJnE#t=7s
[1:01] <pyroxide> i also noticed that if i don't have my hdmi plugged in, sometimes my pi2 doesn't boot up all the way.
[1:01] <[Saint]> that's probably observational bias I would think?
[1:02] <myself> Or a grounding problem.
[1:02] <[Saint]> there's no part of the boot process that depends on a connected screen.
[1:02] <x3l3tric> That would super suck pyroxide, since I'm trying to run one headless...
[1:02] <x3l3tric> My issue was that the card suddenly became read only? It's a micro SD, so no way I hit a lock switch.
[1:02] <pyroxide> yeah well that's what's going on. using Arch Linux ARM
[1:02] <[Saint]> I use ALARM too.
[1:02] <myself> Grounding proble might also go away if you hook up a UART adapter to watch the console, so again, alternate ground path. :)
[1:03] <[Saint]> I assure you it gives zero shits about a display.
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[1:03] <[Saint]> HDMI or otherwise.
[1:03] <myself> Check with a meter.
[1:03] <pyroxide> yeah well that's what happens. even after plugging in hdmi
[1:03] <pyroxide> no signal
[1:03] <pyroxide> can't ssh
[1:04] <[Saint]> So the problem that happens due to lack of HDMI, continues with HDMI plugged?
[1:04] <myself> Do you have a wireless uart adapter of some sort, maybe a bluetooth hoozits you could attach?
[1:04] <[Saint]> Forgive me, but, ...you don't see the flaw in your causation logic?
[1:05] <myself> Y'all can pretend i'm not typing anything, but I am, and you're just ignoring it..
[1:05] <myself> See, computers work on electrons, and electrons need to flow over conductive things, and HDMI cables are conductive.
[1:05] * Berg hears crickets
[1:05] <Berg> hi
[1:05] <[Saint]> and a lack of an HDMI cable isn't going to do _anything_ myself
[1:05] <[Saint]> Not a damn thing.
[1:06] <myself> If your USB power cable has a faulty ground connection, but it's plugged into the same power strip as the display, it would produce *exactly* this behavior.
[1:06] <x3l3tric> BTW [Saint], dd worked like a charm
[1:06] <[Saint]> myself: not if HDMI wasn't plugged.
[1:06] <[Saint]> How difficult is that to understand?
[1:06] <pyroxide> well right now i'm plugged into a usb 3.1 port on my computer
[1:06] <x3l3tric> Just took forever. Ran at 4.7MB/s when reading from the card
[1:07] <Berg> x3l3tric: mines slow to dd also
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[1:07] <x3l3tric> pyroxide: Which I'll make the assumption is plugged into the same power strip as the display. Or the same outlet
[1:07] <[Saint]> No one was ignoring you, it's just a massive, and flawed, jump in reasoning and logic.
[1:07] <pyroxide> uhh same breaker
[1:07] <[Saint]> different things entirely.
[1:07] <x3l3tric> Berg: Huh, interesting
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[1:08] <pyroxide> when you dd are you passing the bs option?
[1:08] <pyroxide> because bs=1M works well, some people pass 10M
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[1:09] <Berg> i just do what it says on the raspi forum
[1:09] <pyroxide> that speeds up the reading and writing of images
[1:09] <Berg> so yeah
[1:09] <x3l3tric> Nope, I just did dd if=/file/here of=/device/here
[1:09] <x3l3tric> May do bs next time
[1:09] <[Saint]> The whole thing falls over with "sometimes my pi doesn't boot without HDMI plugged, but it also happens when HDMI is plugged", I have a really hard time understanding why no one can see the massive error in that deductive logic.
[1:09] <pyroxide> try dd if=/file/here of=/device/here bs=1M
[1:09] <x3l3tric> (If there is one, which hopefully there won't be)
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[1:10] <Chillum> oh good ol' disk destroyer
[1:10] <x3l3tric> A bit late now, I've been waiting on the current dd to finish for about an hour or so.
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[1:10] <Berg> logic is not important [Saint]
[1:10] <x3l3tric> Hey, it's what [Saint] recommended, Chillum. And it worked once.
[1:10] <pyroxide> [Saint] give it up. that's not what i said
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[1:11] <Chillum> it is a great tool, always double check your output drive. More than once I have accidentally toasted the wrong drive with it
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[1:11] <[Saint]> [2016 01 11 13:01:18] <pyroxide> i also noticed that if i don't have my hdmi plugged in, sometimes my pi2 doesn't boot up all the way.
[1:11] <[Saint]> ...
[1:11] <[Saint]> [2016 01 11 13:03:36] <pyroxide> yeah well that's what happens. even after plugging in hdmi
[1:11] <[Saint]> wanna bet?
[1:11] <[Saint]> That's exactly what you said.
[1:11] <merrick`> you've doctored the results!
[1:11] <Berg> i hate toast
[1:11] <pyroxide> but let me clarify it so that you can understand; sometimes the pi does not boot when hdmi is not plugged in. if this happens, i plug in the hdmi after and it displays black screen. the pi always boots when hdmi is plugged in before applying power
[1:11] <x3l3tric> Saint, he was saying that if he boots without HDMI, it can fail to boot, and still not display anything once he connects HDMI
[1:12] <Chillum> I fin d that if I plug in HMDI after boot it won't show anything, but after I restart it while it is plugged in it does
[1:12] <pyroxide> doesn't diosplay black screen, it it passes no signal*
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[1:12] <[Saint]> if it doesn't boot, what did you expect to see?
[1:13] <[Saint]> I didn't consider that as I thought that was somewhat obvious.
[1:13] <x3l3tric> He could see the terminal freezing at a point. I've had that before when I was having the weird SD card error. The CPU gave a stop error.
[1:13] <x3l3tric> There was still an HDMI output.
[1:14] <pyroxide> the leds flash as if it was booting, however.
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[1:14] <merrick`> pyroxide, you checked the logs at all?
[1:14] <pyroxide> perhaps if you weren't busy trying to satisfy your ego, [Saint], you'd think of that.
[1:14] <x3l3tric> Right. When I had the SD card issue, the LEDs would blink for a solid 30 seconds, then finally go out when the CPU stopping error happened.
[1:15] <x3l3tric> Now now, can both of you quit fighting about it? There's been a potential fix proposed, everyone should be happy.
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[1:15] <Chillum> the channel #raspberrypi-bickering is available for bickering
[1:16] <pyroxide> x3l3tric; what log?
[1:16] <x3l3tric> Wasn'
[1:16] <x3l3tric> Wasn't me that mentioned the log, you mean Merrick`
[1:16] <pyroxide> ah right.
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[1:17] <[Saint]> where was the fix proposed?
[1:17] <x3l3tric> When someone mentioned that the exact issue could be due to plugging Monitor and Pi into a faulty power strip
[1:17] <merrick`> was thinking dmesg maybe, but doesnt look like my pi has previous dmesg logs saved automagically, only the last.
[1:18] <myself> That's not quite what I said, but you're on the right track.
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[1:19] <pyroxide> 2 different power strips. pi is on a PFC UPS. monitor plugged into some other strip
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[1:19] <[Saint]> do you happen to know if those strips are attached to the same breaker/RCD or not?
[1:19] <[Saint]> that would settle it pretty easily.
[1:19] <pyroxide> same breaker.
[1:20] <[Saint]> then, yeah, grounding issue is pretty unlikely, unless it's a magic grounding issue that watches for you plugging HDMI.
[1:22] <merrick`> pyroxide, check out some logs in /var/log , just gloss over them, maybe something will stick out
[1:23] <[Saint]> it certainly is odd behavior.
[1:23] <myself> Suppose for the moment, that the USB cable has high resistance in its ground wire, or its ground and Vbus wires. Such that at some points during bootup, the voltage at the Pi will sag and occasionally cause it to crash/hang during boot. Lowering the resistance in that connection would alleviate the voltage drop and allow it to boot normally. What's one way to lower a resistance? Put another resistor in
[1:23] <myself> parallel with it. Plugging in another cable, which connects to the pi's ground and also connects back to the same ground as the USB power source, would do just that. If you have a high-impedance voltmeter and can measure the voltage between the Pi's ground plane and the USB power source's chassis during boot, I bet you'll see more of a voltage there with HDMI unplugged than with it plugged in, probabl
[1:23] <myself> y on the order of tens of millivolts.
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[1:23] <myself> And if you have an oscilloscope whose chassis ground can be floated, try watching across the Pi's power rail during boot, again in both configurations, with a falling-edge trigger set for just below what you expect Vcc to sit at.
[1:24] <merrick`> holy moly...what's that occams razor thing about simple solutions?
[1:24] <myself> "try another cable"?
[1:24] <myself> Yeah, exactly. But proving why one is bad is more fun, and teaches important lessons about Georg Simon Ohm and why we all owe him a debt. :P
[1:25] <[Saint]> merrick`: I think it goes something along the lines of "If you don't make this solution simple, I'll fricken' cut you, bitch!"
[1:25] <myself> Showing coders why wires matter is half the fun.
[1:25] <x3l3tric> >fricken'
[1:25] <merrick`> just draw him a triangle with the V/I*R thing and give him another cable :P
[1:25] <x3l3tric> LOL
[1:25] <myself> merrick`++
[1:26] <x3l3tric> Now throw him in an intro EE course. Such fun /s
[1:26] <pyroxide> woah
[1:26] <pyroxide> it all makes sense
[1:26] <pyroxide> ups is supplying a messed up ground?
[1:26] <x3l3tric> "OK Class, today we'll be studying linear circuits with opamps" - Phrase still haunts my mind.
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[1:27] <pyroxide> er the usb cable is
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[1:27] <myself> That's my theory, yeah. Try another USB cable.
[1:28] <myself> s/messed-up/high-resistance/
[1:28] <[Saint]> EE Course, or in modern terms "How to shit out hundreds and hundreds of people each year into a workforce with little to no hope of sustaining them: 101"
[1:28] <merrick`> [Saint], also see computer science.
[1:28] * [Saint] nods
[1:28] <myself> Heh. You should see the EE grads we get.
[1:28] <myself> "How to using multimeter? Class not cover this."
[1:28] <pyroxide> ok so i checked the logs....bunch of null characters
[1:29] <merrick`> i swear some of the applicants i've seen at my workplace with a BS in CS...
[1:29] <merrick`> pyroxide, in what logs?
[1:29] <myself> BS in BS, more like :P
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[1:29] <pyroxide> omitting samba, httpd, and anything empty
[1:29] <[Saint]> I digress, but, this is one of the main reasons why I can't find decent work and I'm clinging on to my current job that I hate with a passion.
[1:29] <myself> Do you do fizzbuzz on the first inerview?
[1:29] <[Saint]> Quantity over quality, etc.
[1:29] <pyroxide> faillog, lastlog, and wtmp
[1:29] <merrick`> myself, if they had that they'd at least make it 5 minutes into the interview...when they cant even tell the difference between an HD and RAM...yeah.
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[1:30] <Berg> whats HD
[1:30] <x3l3tric> At least I'm going to a top 10 EE school, and my actual degree will probably be in CE
[1:30] <myself> I had a coworker with a _masters_ in EE, ask me how to measure wither a device-under-test was drawing any current. I walked out.
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[1:30] <x3l3tric> CompE, I mean.
[1:30] <merrick`> [Saint], you seem knowledgeable enough, you should explode heads after seeing some of the losers they're seeing no doubt.
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[1:30] <merrick`> Berg, High Definition :)
[1:30] <x3l3tric> Berg: A resolution at or over 720 vertical pixels.
[1:30] <myself> Walked out and went home and went to the bar.
[1:30] <Berg> :)
[1:31] <x3l3tric> How bad is the CompE field, then? Have no clue what else I'd want to do with my life
[1:31] <[Saint]> merrick`: you'd think, but...they can hire three or more graduates for what I'd be prepared to work for.
[1:31] <Berg> be a lion trainer
[1:31] <[Saint]> A thousand monkeys at a thousand typewriters, etc.
[1:31] <[Saint]> quantity over quality.
[1:31] <ozzzy> will probably chew the paper and crap on the keys
[1:31] <pyroxide> even i know if you want to measure current you set the voltmeter to mA or A or whatever, black to ground and red to the test point
[1:31] <merrick`> [Saint], ahh. yes. they no doubt have a revolving door though, they'll wise up eventually.
[1:31] <[Saint]> plenty more grads from next years batch to fill those holes.
[1:32] <myself> merrick`: We ask really, really open-ended questions in the interview, because we want to see if someone has big-picture *and* details, and can explain it to.... well, first they have to figure out who their audience is and what level of detail is appropriate, and then explain it. Stuff like "How does the internet work? You have until lunch.". It's amazing.
[1:32] <[Saint]> abuse them for a six week work trial, and, double win.
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[1:32] <pyroxide> maybe i'll major in women's studies.
[1:32] <merrick`> myself, we do the same, it can be entertaining.
[1:32] <x3l3tric> So EE's that bad, huh? I thought it was only Petroleum E that was stupid as hell to go into
[1:33] <merrick`> I pride myself on being able to "translate" engineer speak to normal people speak
[1:33] <[Saint]> In NZ, it's pretty bad right now.
[1:33] <merrick`> or smart->CEO or whatever the case may be ;)
[1:33] <Hammered|> Wow, And this channel is about the Raspberry Pi?
[1:33] <myself> If you really want to be valuable, have some obscure skill. Like, get that labview+arduino bundle from sparkfun, master that shit, and smear it all over your resume. Recruiters will track your scent for miles..
[1:33] <x3l3tric> At least I'm in merica, where hopefully it's not as bad
[1:33] <Hammered|> It's out of control!
[1:33] <x3l3tric> Christ, never mention LabView to me again.
[1:34] <myself> It's crawling in corners of places that pay good money.
[1:34] <myself> Just sayin'.
[1:34] <x3l3tric> Can't believe NI's founders graduated from my school...
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[1:34] <Berg> its all educational when no one has a rpi question Hammered|
[1:34] <[Saint]> this channel doesn't really have a strictly enforced topic, per se.
[1:34] <merrick`> pyroxide, is it ALL null junk? does it happen at a certain point? etc..
[1:34] <x3l3tric> I still can't believe it myself, LabView just seems so awful.
[1:34] <[Saint]> just don't make it too political or religious, and dont derail support requests.
[1:35] <ppq> it IS awful
[1:35] <x3l3tric> I mean MultiSim seems like it could be pretty useful, have just about no clue why you'd want to use LabView.
[1:35] <ppq> </$0.02>
[1:35] <x3l3tric> I feel like there's probably a piece of software to do anything that LabView does, but better. Maybe even a total replacement.
[1:35] <[Saint]> matlab is one of my personal hate vessels.
[1:35] <pyroxide> should i pop the sd card out when it fails and check logs on a linux box?
[1:35] <[Saint]> I hate the shit out of matlab.
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[1:35] <pyroxide> gonna try the cord first.
[1:36] <myself> x3l3tric: Because the last guy did, and now they have a legacy thing that actually performs a useful function, and the last guy left, and they need someone to maintain it. Now, if you have labview *and* some other language where you can rebuild the legacy thing into something even better, that's also cool. But the folks trying to fill the position don't appreciate that value.
[1:36] <x3l3tric> Part of our intro course was to build an automated line-follower car, they suggested using MyDAQs but you could use whatever. Anyone that did better than passing, save for my stubborn-ass group, used Arduinos and Launchpads
[1:36] <Berg> low power will make it polute the sd card most times
[1:36] <merrick`> pyroxide, lastlog and faillog aren't going to spit out human readable things..
[1:36] <ppq> [Saint], simulink is great
[1:36] <[Saint]> At my current job I've been over a fire for weeks now because I dared to dive too far into in-house toolsets we use.
[1:36] <x3l3tric> myself: Interesting, I don't think I considered that. So one man's shit decision is another man's career opportunity.
[1:37] <merrick`> same with wtmp
[1:37] <myself> x3l3tric: You've just summed up my entire industry.
[1:37] <Hammered|> I use Multisim, PITA to move from computer to computer...
[1:37] <myself> I like to say "A lack of planning on your part constitutes a profit opportunity on my part."
[1:37] <x3l3tric> Which is? So I can steer as far away from it as possible
[1:37] <merrick`> i'd look at xorg maybe, seeing as though the HDMI seems to be the thing being wonky
[1:37] <[Saint]> I was chasing odd erros in returned data around for ages, turned out there was absolutely no data sanitation _at all_.
[1:37] <myself> haha, automotive engineering consulting
[1:37] <Chillum> in a gold rush the only person certain to make money is the guy selling the shovels
[1:37] <myself> Chillum++
[1:37] <Chillum> same goes for inventors
[1:37] <[Saint]> Expect a response of a specific length? Don't get it? ...just pad it out until it fits!
[1:37] <[Saint]> (yep, really)
[1:38] <x3l3tric> Oh good. Wasn't even close to a field I was considering. Any CompArch guys here?
[1:38] <[Saint]> Expect a response, and don't get one? Silently fail!
[1:38] <pyroxide> merrick`; don't even have xorg installed.
[1:38] <merrick`> we contracted out a website design, higher ups ok'd it, it went live..i poked at it, very little sanitization, no doubt XSS attacks were possible...they didn't care.
[1:38] <myself> x3l3tric: trouble is, you drive the shit they shovel out. Brake-by-wire is coming and it terrifies me.
[1:38] <merrick`> surprised we didnt get hit.
[1:38] <Hammered|> Have started using LTsim instead.
[1:38] <[Saint]> buffer overflow in a response handler? Fix it - what are you joking? Nah...just offset the response and hope the overflow is always the same offset!
[1:38] <Chillum> merrick`: poking around with poorly written web apps is fun
[1:39] <[Saint]> There's some really terrible crap in here.
[1:39] <Chillum> I like to root routers
[1:39] <Chillum> I am a router rooter
[1:39] <myself> [Saint]: I really want to believe you're making this up at this point just to make us all retch but I have a sad feeling you're not..
[1:39] <[Saint]> I'm really not.
[1:39] <x3l3tric> myself: Scary thought
[1:39] <myself> what field?
[1:39] <merrick`> Chillum, agreed. Although it was in production so I didn't poke too hard.
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[1:40] <x3l3tric> No CompArch people here?
[1:40] <Chillum> I just got a fancy GPU... if I poke hard enough I might find some hashes for it
[1:40] <x3l3tric> Chillum: Me to. DD-WRT for probably 3-5 years.
[1:41] <merrick`> DD-WRT on the linksys 54G here for a few years :D
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[1:41] <x3l3tric> Ran that same setup for a few months, til it started giving me issues. Then I realized that I was trying to run the router on like a 9V supply instead of 12, then the question was how it ever ran at all
[1:41] <Chillum> I love how this guy broke a wifi SD card 10 different ways: http://haxit.blogspot.ch/2013/08/hacking-transcend-wifi-sd-cards.html
[1:41] <Chillum> he really teared into it
[1:42] <Chillum> made me order one
[1:42] <myself> When I did my interview, I didn't know the bus system they were asking about specifically, so I drew parallels to other stuff I did know, and not only solved the problem, but proposed hypothetical mitigations for 4 different failure modes (2 of which were introduced by my solution), and it turns out that not only did the industry go in the direction of that solution, it's just now figuring out that it
[1:42] <myself> needs to handle those failure modes. Six years after an industry noob wrinkled his nose and said this could be more robust...
[1:42] <merrick`> I just got a label maker so I dont make those mistakes any more (wrong power bricks etc)
[1:42] <Chillum> it could be a textbook on common web apps failures
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[1:42] <merrick`> it was a dymo, normally $100 got it for $20 on the amazons
[1:42] <Chillum> they made almost every mistake
[1:42] <pyroxide> it booted this time with different usb cord.
[1:42] <x3l3tric> Some cards have crazy BIOS mods. I think you could hack a 690 to get some Quadro functionality out of it at one point in time
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[1:43] <myself> Chillum: thing is, it's *good* for the SD card to be open, there's no need for security there. It's a shame they didn't just provide a "click for root shell" button, the cards would've been more popular :P
[1:43] <[Saint]> speaking of buses, of sorts, one of our guys found out what exposed bussbars were the hard way about ~6 months ago.
[1:43] <myself> [Saint]: Did he lose a screwdriver, a paint can, or an arm?
[1:43] <merrick`> I think if you can trouble shoot (in any field really), and explain it well, you should be able to do pretty well.
[1:43] <Chillum> myself: I highly suspect that they leave them vulnerable on purpose to sell more to hackers, but the way thtey do it allows for malware to be installed on anyones card without even knowing their password or touching it
[1:44] <[Saint]> myself: none of the aformentioned, but he did punch himself in the face involuntarily.
[1:44] <merrick`> hahaha
[1:44] <Chillum> like you could have this in your camera and I could hack it to upload all your pictures to me as yu take them without me even touching it
[1:44] <myself> I got to see the pits in a busbar from where a painter set his can of paint across it. Vaporized the bottom of the can, blew paint across the whole room, deafened the painter in one ear, and the machine powered by that battery-room didn't even glitch...
[1:44] <Chillum> you pretty much have to root them to secure them
[1:44] <[Saint]> ...wow
[1:45] <myself> Chillum: If you're associated to the same wifi as my camera, we have other problems on another layer.
[1:45] <Chillum> what like a password?
[1:45] <Chillum> some people choose a secure password, most do not
[1:45] <myself> Sigh. Point.
[1:45] <x3l3tric> hunter2
[1:46] <Chillum> but yes, with a proper WPA password, and WPS disabled then it is reasonably secure
[1:46] <Chillum> not sure if they even have WPS, but if it does you will need to turn it off
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[1:47] <x3l3tric> Why does WPS even exist? How hard is it to type a password into a prompt?
[1:47] <pyroxide> that 3 dollar N300 router i picked up at an estate sale on thursday has a WPS button
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[1:48] <[Saint]> Basically, because consumers are idiots.
[1:48] <[Saint]> re: why does WPS exist
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[1:48] <[Saint]> clicky-clicky, button-button, worky-worky.
[1:48] <ozzzy> because people are lazy
[1:49] <merrick`> been a while since my wardriving days, is WPA still basically tissue paper security or has it improved significantly?
[1:49] <pyroxide> bunch of iMac users.
[1:49] <merrick`> last I remember you could just send false "I lose my connection" packets and sniff it up for a bit and have a WPA password in a few minutes.
[1:49] <[Saint]> yeah, that's still true.
[1:50] <[Saint]> bonus points for WPA/WPA2 mixed mode - why is _that_ a thing?
[1:50] <merrick`> figured. encrypt your connections folks!
[1:50] <myself> Mostly I think people stopped caring.
[1:50] <[Saint]> "Oh, I'll just fall back to this vastly less secure method because you asked nicely"
[1:50] <myself> It's not like there's only one wifi on the block.
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[1:50] <merrick`> myself, i know i did...i just figure wireless is insecure...and continue not caring.
[1:50] <myself> I remember when netstumbler would crash if there were more than 99 networks in view at once.
[1:51] <Berg> what is the distance a wifi is good for?
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[1:51] <merrick`> segment your network properly and it shouldn't be a problem as long as you act as if wifi is untrusted.
[1:51] <pyroxide> 100 ft?
[1:51] <[Saint]> I can broadcast to about 400m
[1:51] <Apocx> depends on the wifi devices
[1:51] <myself> These days that makes it nearly unusable if you have anything but a dummy load as an antenna :P
[1:51] <merrick`> Berg, depends on how much power you put to the antenna, what kind of antenna, if it's raining, all kinds of things.
[1:51] <[Saint]> and, yes, it depends vastly on the antennas and broadcast power.
[1:51] <pyroxide> cantenna 1 mile
[1:51] <Berg> well im the only one here for kilometres
[1:51] <Apocx> you can technically broadcast wifi a decent number of miles.
[1:52] <Berg> i cant use other folks
[1:52] <Berg> sad
[1:52] <Apocx> using point to point with clear line of sight
[1:52] <[Saint]> I've got a couple of pretty massive omnidirectionals and a 4 pretty large poles.
[1:52] <[Saint]> my broadcast is pretty significant.
[1:52] <pyroxide> Apocx; but the curvature of the earth will make it difficult
[1:52] <Berg> will it reach australia?
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[1:52] <Berg> i need free internet
[1:52] <Apocx> right. which is why I stated with clear line of sight
[1:52] <merrick`> steal a couple of dish satellite dishes, get a nice line of sight going on, ???, profit.
[1:52] <Apocx> if the earth gets in the way doesn't help much
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[1:53] <pyroxide> what if you bounce the signal off of satellites?
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[1:53] <Apocx> in that case just use satellite internet?
[1:53] <merrick`> satellPIte? haha
[1:53] <pyroxide> i c wut i did thar
[1:53] <[Saint]> you could probably just bounce off the upper atmosphere.
[1:53] <merrick`> smallest satellite ever, launched into space with a bottle rocket.
[1:53] <pyroxide> u*
[1:53] <[Saint]> with a significant loss in distribution.
[1:53] <Berg> bounce it off a pi drone thats realy high?
[1:53] <Apocx> two directional antennas mounted up high can get you a pretty good range
[1:54] <merrick`> get some ham radio nerds together, they'll tell you how to bounce it off the moon and things.
[1:54] <pyroxide> lol
[1:54] <Berg> i casnt see t5he moon atm
[1:54] <merrick`> serious.
[1:54] <Berg> so wifi related to menstrale cycle?
[1:55] <merrick`> Berg, now we're back to if it's raining/cloudy/etc, if we're bouncing off the moon those things matter a LOT more :)
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[1:55] <Berg> this sounds dramaticly like the theme for jaws
[1:55] <pyroxide> foggy?
[1:55] <Berg> http://www.moviesoundclips.net/movies1/jaws/score.mp3
[1:55] <pyroxide> ok so underground cables win.
[1:55] <[Saint]> I've currently got two 5GHz 30dBi parabolics and four 2.4GHz 15dBi omni-poles.
[1:55] <merrick`> let's just lump it all into precipitation
[1:56] <[Saint]> I can get to about 400m away and still maintain a useful connection.
[1:56] <Apocx> how much did those run you?
[1:56] <[Saint]> sometimes further.
[1:56] <merrick`> [Saint], define useful. streaming music useful?
[1:56] <Berg> mines ok at 10m
[1:56] <merrick`> or, TCP connection useful..
[1:57] <Apocx> been looking at a directional antenna/repeater to extend my wifi a couple hundred yards. so far leaning towards ubiquiti stuff
[1:57] <merrick`> retransmit, retransmit, retransmit...packet...retransmit, retransmit...etc.
[1:58] <[Saint]> Apocx: about $200 for the two parabolas (ordered but never claimed, retailer offload), around $400 for the 2.4GHz poles.
[1:58] <Apocx> ah nice
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[1:58] <merrick`> look at all of you with fancy gear! bust out the tinfoil and styrofoam and get crackin!
[1:59] <[Saint]> I feel like I'm always playing catchup with my switchgear.
[1:59] <x3l3tric> Or you could be like me, and put DD-WRT on both your main and a second router, turn the second router into a WAP, mount it on the opposite end of the home.
[1:59] <x3l3tric> Signal issue solved for $20
[1:59] <[Saint]> I only fairly recently switch to 10GbE
[1:59] <[Saint]> *switched
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[2:00] <x3l3tric> Plus now I have a good reason to mount my Pi in probably the weirdest way imaginable
[2:00] <merrick`> just run cat6 through your attic you lazy asses!
[2:00] <[Saint]> that's my number one priority every time I move.
[2:00] <Apocx> yeah I've got my house wired for Cat6 already
[2:00] <[Saint]> convincing the landlord to let me do a discrete cable lan and home theatre install.
[2:01] <merrick`> when house shopping, that's one of my main concerns as well, along with cable and not satellite availability
[2:01] <Apocx> *fiber availability
[2:01] * [Saint] grumbles
[2:01] <Apocx> screw cable
[2:01] <merrick`> well i'm not moving to kansas or wherever google fiber is
[2:01] <[Saint]> I've been on the FTTD waiting list forever now.
[2:01] <Apocx> you don't have any fiber near you?
[2:01] <Apocx> Mine is through Verizon
[2:01] <[Saint]> stoopid earthquakes.
[2:02] <[Saint]> we have an obsession with burying cables here.
[2:02] <merrick`> You'd think detroit metro area would be a prime spot for google fiber, we got tons of dark fiber just laying around..but noooo
[2:02] <[Saint]> gotta lay new glass every time the earth farts.
[2:02] <Apocx> get earthquakes a lot do you?
[2:03] <[Saint]> Not anymore, but the FTTD rollout isn;t much of a priority anymore.
[2:03] <Apocx> I think most of ours is aerial but there is a significant portion underground
[2:03] <Berg> NZ is the plug that stops the pacific draining
[2:03] <[Saint]> Since we pretty much don't have a CBD anymore, we're focusing on that now.
[2:03] <[Saint]> (Christchurch, NZ)
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[2:03] <[Saint]> No more earthquakes, but all our infrastructure is still messed up in a bad way.
[2:04] <[Saint]> CBD is one giant parking lot now.
[2:04] <Berg> with cars half sunk in the sand
[2:04] <Berg> liquafaction was amazing there [Saint]
[2:04] <myself> merrick`: hey, you're in detroit?
[2:04] <[Saint]> That's one of the oddest things I have ever seen.
[2:05] <Berg> me too
[2:05] <merrick`> myself, just outside, yep
[2:05] <[Saint]> The earth slowly swallowing houses and cars.
[2:05] <myself> well hey from royal oak
[2:05] <merrick`> myself, hello from 12 and main
[2:05] <merrick`> ;)
[2:05] <Berg> volcanic type earthquakes?
[2:05] <myself> er... 12 and vinsetta...
[2:05] <Berg> hi from the sticks in australia
[2:05] <[Saint]> plate distribution.
[2:06] <[Saint]> NZ is formed from the Pacific Ring Of Fire.
[2:06] <myself> I'm pretty sure if I went out my front door with a flashlight right now, you'd see it. heh.
[2:06] <merrick`> i was gonna say i could throw a rock at your house hah
[2:06] <merrick`> that's crazy
[2:06] <Berg> i never go out at night i might get eaten
[2:06] <x3l3tric> Small world
[2:06] <[Saint]> "Knock knock, friendly neighborhood rapist here!"
[2:07] <Berg> in germany
[2:07] <Berg> yeah
[2:07] <x3l3tric> KEK
[2:07] <Berg> oopsd family friendly and all
[2:07] <x3l3tric> "Hey, I'm just here to let you know per court order that I'm on the sex offender registry. Can I make you a drink?"
[2:07] <myself> lmao
[2:07] <x3l3tric> P sure fam friendly's been out the window all night tonight.
[2:08] <myself> that sounds like a great comedy bit if people could laugh at that stuff
[2:08] <myself> landshark!
[2:08] <x3l3tric> #RaspberrypiNSFW is still available, I'm sure
[2:08] <x3l3tric> myself: If only anyone could laugh at anything anymore, it'd be such a better world.
[2:08] <myself> PisGoneWild
[2:08] <myself> The Dark Raspberry
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[2:08] <x3l3tric> Rather than, "You're a white guy using the word lynch? You're a racist." which has actually been said to me before
[2:09] <x3l3tric> PisGoneWild: Beautiful.
[2:09] <[Saint]> Well, context is key. If you said it /while lynching someone/...
[2:09] <x3l3tric> Oh no, of course not. It was after the lynching, during the reception
[2:09] <[Saint]> Ah.
[2:09] <myself> *splutter*
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[2:11] <Berg> we dont lynch anyway we just leave them to the crocs
[2:11] <x3l3tric> Speak for yourself. There's just something oddly satisfying about watching a man get turned into a feathered beast and then hung
[2:11] <[Saint]> Or, y'know, that one time you guys tried genocide...
[2:11] <[Saint]> Straya!
[2:12] <x3l3tric> Shit, Straya was literally founded by criminals
[2:12] <[Saint]> The natives might disagree.
[2:12] <[Saint]> s/might/do/
[2:12] <Berg> the english was thinking we all died if left to ourself but dint happen
[2:12] <x3l3tric> IIRC, the basic history as I understood it was, while it was an English colony, it was a prison continent
[2:13] <Berg> the natives are ok with it
[2:13] <Berg> wel all live here now
[2:13] <Berg> the whities said sorry
[2:13] * Berg snickers
[2:13] <x3l3tric> I remember they tried to show us a video about the Australian genocide while I was in 8th grade (12-13 year old for non-Americans). Literally the worst time to show someone something you want them to take seriously.
[2:14] <x3l3tric> All I remember was a scene where a native woman hit herself over and over in the head with a rock to forget about the situation
[2:14] <[Saint]> Was your own genocide attempt not interesting enough?
[2:14] <x3l3tric> >my own
[2:14] <Berg> i think genecide is a bit harsh it was more a re-education
[2:14] <x3l3tric> >implying i was even a zygote while this was happening
[2:14] <[Saint]> I think every major settlement has had at least one good attempt at a good 'ol fashioned genocide.
[2:14] <Berg> anyway the world has moved on maybe we all should
[2:15] <x3l3tric> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
[2:15] <x3l3tric> If only other people would agree.
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[2:15] <[Saint]> ...lynch 'em.
[2:15] <[Saint]> problem solved.
[2:15] <x3l3tric> KEK
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[2:15] <Berg> the perpetuation of that sort of thinking is shown clearly in here right now
[2:16] <x3l3tric> Not sure I understand what you mean
[2:16] <Berg> :)
[2:16] <Berg> get over it and live toget5her in harmony
[2:16] <Berg> dont try and justify being evil with some old history you can drag up for it
[2:16] <x3l3tric> germany*
[2:17] <x3l3tric> "b-but muh ancestors were persecuted, w-where's their justice?"
[2:17] <Berg> many live in hate
[2:18] <x3l3tric> Or just in disgust. I find it odd how most family gatherings end in heated discussions on recent events or politics. Like, you came all this way just to get mad?
[2:18] <Berg> thats right you need to go out and re-commit the crimes over and ov er
[2:18] <Berg> thats not justice thats revenge
[2:18] <Berg> go for it
[2:18] <x3l3tric> Always remember kids, You Can't Simmer the Zimmer.
[2:19] * Berg looks for better grade of human to talk too
[2:19] <x3l3tric> Or, alternatively, You Can't Flim-Flam the Zim-Zam
[2:19] * x3l3tric reminds all that you can't corner the Dorner either
[2:19] <merrick`> just get schwifty and be done with it
[2:20] <myself> don't tell me what to do on the floor!
[2:20] <pyroxide> um
[2:20] <pyroxide> http://imgur.com/a/KjukR
[2:20] <x3l3tric> I mean, I've already done one of those things
[2:20] <pyroxide> i made those awhile back
[2:21] <merrick`> pyroxide with the sh00pin skillz
[2:21] <x3l3tric> kek
[2:22] <pyroxide> my nose is so congested
[2:22] <pyroxide> i hate this crap
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[2:23] <x3l3tric> Now pyroxide, remember that you can't use those dirty words here. This is a FAMILY channel
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[2:26] <Voltage> hi
[2:26] <Chillum> hi
[2:26] <pyroxide> families don't IRC
[2:26] <Voltage> Is this chan about raspberry pi (like help)?
[2:27] <pyroxide> sometimes.
[2:27] <Voltage> Alright, now I see "unofficial" lol
[2:28] <merrick`> Voltage, yeah. not officially though
[2:28] <Voltage> k
[2:29] <Voltage> Do you know official channel for the RPI?
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[2:29] <pyroxide> just the forum.
[2:29] <Voltage> ok
[2:29] <merrick`> Voltage, if you have a question ask away
[2:29] <Voltage> Sure thing.
[2:29] <merrick`> you'll get some kind of answer, how useful I can't guarantee.
[2:30] <Voltage> I was wondering about port fowarding and the risks of doing so.
[2:30] <pyroxide> what port specifically?
[2:30] <merrick`> that's a huge question.
[2:30] <merrick`> yeah, why and for what, and through what etc
[2:30] <Voltage> Because I would like to access rpi outside my home network... so ssh
[2:31] <merrick`> ssh is fine, just make sure you change your default password and stuff
[2:31] <[Saint]> password? please...
[2:31] <pyroxide> you can set up ssh to only work when you have a key
[2:31] <merrick`> as soon as i setup port forwarding for ssh on my other linux box I saw the login attempt pour in, among them i saw "pi" as a username attempt
[2:31] <[Saint]> if it touches outside, key and passphrase.
[2:31] <merrick`> yeah use keys
[2:31] <Voltage> Opening up port 22, 80, etc... I want a web server sorta thing.
[2:31] <Voltage> Alright.
[2:32] <pyroxide> might check if your isp accepts those ports, first
[2:32] <[Saint]> and, yeah, don't use 22.
[2:32] <Voltage> Would 25 random chars be fine or is it easy to crack?
[2:32] <pyroxide> i ran into that problem today
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[2:33] <[Saint]> I mean you'll still get portscans, but using a high level nonstandard port will avoid a lot of the aggressive connection attampts.
[2:33] <[Saint]> *attempts
[2:33] <merrick`> live dangerously, allow root login, set password to "root"
[2:33] <Voltage> Cool, thanks for the help.
[2:34] <pyroxide> Voltage; Raspbian or something else?
[2:34] <pksato> for ssh, change port from 22 to one random choice, not use password, use pre-shared key, install fail2ban to ban break attempts.
[2:34] <[Saint]> I use 4096 bit key, 64 char passphrase, and 2FA myself.
[2:34] <Voltage> I use Raspbian on my Pi.
[2:34] <Voltage> Whew.
[2:34] <Voltage> That's a lot
[2:35] <pksato> for web server, dont run cgi that need root rights.
[2:35] <[Saint]> I also only allow connections from specific user/host as well.
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[2:35] <merrick`> 64 char passphrase isnt too crazy if you think about it
[2:35] <pksato> not permit root login on ssh.
[2:36] <Voltage> Yeah, looks like I have to up my security before I do port fowarding lol
[2:36] <merrick`> not much, pretty sure most distros these days dont allow root login by default
[2:37] <merrick`> get a good password, use keys if ya like, if it's just a hobby box ::shrug::
[2:37] <merrick`> i dont use keys, although i'm sure some would call me crazy.
[2:37] <Voltage> I'll just get an extremely long pass perhaps--200 chars maybe.
[2:38] <merrick`> honestly most of the port scans/login attempts are just going for the low hanging fruit
[2:38] <pyroxide> depends what else you have on your network
[2:38] <merrick`> people who didnt change their default passwords and the like
[2:38] <[Saint]> don't use a common phrase, or song lyrics, etc.
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[2:38] <pyroxide> me, i have lots of blackmail
[2:38] <pyroxide> so i have to protect it
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[2:38] <merrick`> not interested in your pr0n tastes tbh :P
[2:38] <[Saint]> length gets pretty meaningless quite quickly if you're using a well known common phrase.
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[2:38] <micky> hello, i've been thinking about adding distance sensors to my kitchen furniture to turn on lights. Distance sensors mostly to be able to dim the led's. Now i'm trying to figure out which kind should i look into. Motion IR sensors ( PIR ) are not enough.. as they act like digital inputs ( on / off ). I'm probably looking to make an array of sensors that will tell my exact position in that
[2:38] <micky> area, and based on that dim lights. ideas ?
[2:39] <[Saint]> or song lyrics, or a passage from a book, etc.
[2:39] <[Saint]> and that XKCD page about entropy is pretty much pure garbage.
[2:39] <merrick`> correct horse battery?
[2:39] <Chillum> staple
[2:39] <[Saint]> you know it.
[2:39] <[Saint]> utter garbage.
[2:39] <[Saint]> don;t form your passphrases with this method.
[2:40] <merrick`> non dictionary thrown in a passphrase ftw
[2:40] <Chillum> you would need more than 4 worse for sure
[2:40] <Chillum> and such common words are suspicious. If you choose real random words you get strange hard to spell ones too
[2:40] <pyroxide> merrick` blackmail not black male
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[2:41] <merrick`> myUnclejackhas2834harsesonhisfarmwifchikinztooamiat64charsYet:;;:Ks88*@)38
[2:41] <merrick`> have fun guessing that noise.
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[2:43] <Chillum> I don't think choosing a proper password is that hard. If a certain bard had not written "Whether 'tis Nobler in the mind to suffer the Slings and Arrows of outrageous Fortune, Or to take Arms against a Sea of troubles" I seriously doubt that anyone else would have or that any cracker would have tried it. You just need to be creative and write something truly new and not that short, then don't tell anyone
[2:44] <Chillum> it does not need to be great poetry, but humans can memorize pages of prose - especially when they wrote it
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[2:45] <Voltage> Alright people, I'm out. Thanks for the help!
[2:45] <Chillum> but the word "password" has tainted people's minds, "passphrase" is better but not common enough to sway peoples thinking
[2:45] <merrick`> later Voltage
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[2:48] <x3l3tric> Should I be concerned that this dd has been running for almost 3 hours and still isn't done?
[2:48] <pyroxide> yes.
[2:48] <pyroxide> what size are you dumping?
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[2:55] <pyroxide> i know my 64GB sd card takes about 1 hour using Win32DiskImager
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[2:57] <x3l3tric> 32GB
[2:57] <x3l3tric> restoring, in this case
[2:57] <x3l3tric> Dump took probably an hour and a half, maybe 2
[2:59] <pyroxide> perhaps your write speed is just bad
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[2:59] <merrick`> depends on sd card class, how it's hooked up, if you have it on top of your microwave, etc.
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[3:00] <merrick`> if a dump took 2 hours and it's only 3 for the restore ..i dunno, doesn't seem crazy high just yet
[3:00] <merrick`> :;shrug::
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[3:03] <myself> If you're flushing after every byte, that's very different from after every 512 bytes or whatever. Also there are ways to monitor the progress of a dd command but you have to invoke them at the start.
[3:03] <x3l3tric> Last time I did this, it dumped all night
[3:03] <x3l3tric> I think
[3:04] <x3l3tric> I fell asleep in the middle of the dump, and it was done when I woke up
[3:04] <pyroxide> i'm tellin you, use the bs option
[3:04] <merrick`> take that last line out of context...high-lar-ious.
[3:05] <x3l3tric> How'd you know?
[3:05] <myself> oh yeah, it's all sounding like #tmi in here
[3:05] <x3l3tric> #pisgonewild
[3:07] <[Saint]> myself: not necessarily true.
[3:07] <[Saint]> re: 'invoke them at the start'
[3:07] <[Saint]> "sudo kill -USR1 $(pgrep ^dd)" for instance can be run at any time after dd is invoked.
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[3:08] <myself> In Windows, I would just hit Task Manager and view-->Select columns-->I/O read/write bytes
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[3:09] <myself> so if you happen to be running that dd on a windows box...
[3:11] <x3l3tric> I tried that yesterday [Saint], that command never did anything for me
[3:11] <[Saint]> works as expected here.
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[3:18] <merrick`> you try just plugging in the right pid instead of using dat grep noise?
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[3:21] <merrick`> would that still display the progress even if he put it in the background/closed the terminal/etc?
[3:21] <merrick`> from what i'm reading, dd would be responding to the signal, so if dd isnt up somewhere, you get squat. yeah?
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[3:24] <merrick`> hm nevermind, it outputs to stderr, which by default is the screen i guess
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[3:25] <myself> first it gets the PID of the first running dd process, so if you have more than one, specify manually.
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[3:27] <merrick`> x3l3tric, try top see if it shows up there
[3:28] <hypermist> is there a way to decompile .img files to extract their src ?
[3:28] <myself> .img meaning...?
[3:28] <myself> like an image of a filesystem? yeah, loop-mount it.
[3:28] <hypermist> the image you write to the sd card
[3:29] <myself> https://www.google.com/search?q=loop%20mount%20disk%20image
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[3:31] <hypermist> will thus allow me to extract it to so ican edit it myself ?
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[3:39] <merrick`> depends on if you mount it as read only or not
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[3:58] <Chillum> myself: in linux you use mount -o loop disk1.iso /mnt/disk
[3:58] <Chillum> err that was for hypermist
[3:59] <hypermist> lol XD
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[3:59] <hypermist> alright Chillum
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[4:04] <merrick`> woohoo, i wrote a program to blink my LED lights to tell me what time it is :)
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[4:16] <merrick`> heh..
[4:16] <merrick`> curl is dangerous.
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[4:16] <merrick`> curl -L pastebin.com/raw/29drmV86|bash
[4:16] <merrick`> :)
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[4:19] <Chillum> I would argue in that case that the | is bad
[4:19] <Chillum> err dangerous, not bad
[4:20] <merrick`> true I guess
[4:20] <Chillum> pretty much any strange command |bash is not a good idea
[4:20] <merrick`> someone mentioned it's becoming more common to install things like that
[4:20] <Chillum> it is
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[4:21] <merrick`> then linked to a post where depending on user agent it delivered a different payload.
[4:21] <Chillum> http://perldancer.org/quickstart <-- recommends: curl -L http://cpanmin.us | perl - --sudo Dancer2
[4:21] <Chillum> which give cpan minus two way interaction with sudo
[4:22] <Chillum> madness
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[4:23] <Chillum> basically "run whatever this remote server says as root". At least with a package you can count on other people looking at the same thing as you, with a site they could give proper content to everyone but a few people
[4:24] <merrick`> that'd be a great site to pop and just add in a little snippet of your own..
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[4:25] <Chillum> yup, you could even choose which ips to target
[4:26] <Chillum> the actual code it sends is all whitespace striped making it unreabable, nobody would notice
[4:26] <Chillum> no mechanism to check signatures or checksums
[4:26] <merrick`> silly
[4:27] <Chillum> there is a CPAN module that you can pipe text into to allow installation of CPAN packages which are signed like any other package manager
[4:27] <merrick`> have a quick phone home and you'd have a list of boxes you own.
[4:27] <Chillum> they just did not use that, decided that raw code execution was the way to go
[4:27] <merrick`> why would you not use that?
[4:27] <merrick`> got it.
[4:28] <Chillum> quality software though
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[5:32] <hypermist> what does a straight red + green light mean on a pi 2
[5:32] <hypermist> its for the power
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[5:32] <hypermist> well activty lights
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[5:35] <merrick`> iirc red = power and green = SD card activity
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[5:46] <stickperson> hi all. i’ve used netcat to determine that i can transmit data at ~2.9MB/s over my LAN. my pi is hooked up to wifi and unfortuantely at this moment i can’t connect it directly to my modem. any way to find what’s causing such a slow speed?
[5:46] <stickperson> i’ve also determined that the write speed of my disk is much higher than 2.9 MB/s
[5:46] <stickperson> i mean read. sorry.
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[5:53] <myself> stickperson: the pi's ethernet controller is attached via USB; it's not known for its high performance.
[5:53] <SpeedEvil> stickperson: do you actually mean disk, or do you mean sd
[5:54] <myself> https://github.com/geerlingguy/raspberry-pi-dramble/issues/8
[5:54] <myself> very similar numbers there in most configurations
[5:56] <stickperson> SpeedEvil: mmm, i’m doing it on my external hdd. made a file with dd, read from that file to see the speed
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[5:56] <stickperson> and did it on my external hdd because that’s where the files are i’ll want to transfer
[5:56] <SpeedEvil> stickperson: the external hdd is also shared with the network adaptor
[5:57] <SpeedEvil> so they are directly fighting for bandwidth
[5:58] <stickperson> SpeedEvil: i see
[5:58] <stickperson> myself: that’s a good writeup.
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[6:07] <x3l3tric> Update: That dd ended up finishing, after who-knows how long
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[6:45] <x3l3tric> Great. I think my SD card may be dead.
[6:47] <Chillum> did you know if you do: kill -USR1 <dd pid>
[6:48] <Chillum> it will give you a progress report?
[6:48] <Chillum> watch -n 5 kill -USR1 <dd pid>
[6:48] <Chillum> makes it give an update every 5 seconds
[6:48] <Chillum> with dd
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[6:59] <x3l3tric> I'm saying that because putting it in my pi yields a bunch of read errors
[7:00] <Chillum> I has card instability and I figured out I had a cheap cord that was dropping vcotlage
[7:00] <Chillum> which causes corruption
[7:01] <Chillum> I used a beefier cord and the problem stopped
[7:04] <engblom> I earlier wrote and asked for advice when it comes to my unstable WiFi. Now I have some additional information: As long as I got an ssh connection open to the pi2, the WiFi will stay stable.
[7:04] <engblom> If I end the ssh session, it will surely not allow me to log in again as it will lose all network connection
[7:05] <engblom> For those that was not here when I initially talked about the problem, it is a non-brand dongle using the r8188eu module
[7:06] <engblom> were*
[7:06] <engblom> I am running Raspbian Jessie
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[7:10] <mgottschlag2> engblom: that's a problem with wifi power management
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[7:11] <mgottschlag2> it might work when you completely disable power management for the wifi stick, I think there's a kernel commandline argument for that, or you can rebuild the kernel without the power management option
[7:11] <mgottschlag2> maybe you also need the realtek out-of-tree driver, but I think that's not necessary anymore
[7:11] <mgottschlag2> (it used to be necessary with older kernels I think)
[7:14] <engblom> mgottschlag2: It is also very unstable before the very first ssh connection. Usually I have to restart the PI by pulling out the power chord like 10 times before one successful ssh connection.
[7:15] <engblom> Now I have had it 4 days up working flawless because I have kept one ssh connection alive all the time
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[7:18] <mgottschlag2> engblom: yes, the power management will completely kill the wifi stick after ~30s without a network packet
[7:19] <mgottschlag2> I know the phenomenon, I have such a wifi stick :)
[7:19] <engblom> Ok, thanks!
[7:19] <engblom> Now I just need to figure how to get it done...
[7:20] <mgottschlag2> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2173782 might work
[7:21] <mgottschlag2> although, that is probably too old, but the options might still work
[7:22] <engblom> I am trying to find the current source for the r8188eu module. Probably there I would find some dokumentation about the options I could load it with
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[7:23] <mgottschlag2> the module should be "8192u"
[7:23] <engblom> So it is renamed in Raspbian?
[7:24] <mgottschlag2> well, are you talking about the in-tree or out-of-tree kernel module?
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[7:25] <mgottschlag2> linux/drivers/net/wireless/rtlwifi/ seems to hold the sources
[7:25] <mgottschlag2> and 8192 and 8188 are pretty much identical
[7:25] <engblom> mgottschlag2: Honestly I do not know if the Raspbian team has added it or if it is included in vanilla kernel. It loads automatically in a standard Raspbian install
[7:26] <mgottschlag2> then it's most likely the in-tree module
[7:27] <mgottschlag2> okay, the linux kernel directory is called rtl8192cu, so that's probably the name of the module as well
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[7:30] <cluelessperson> Anyone know anything about using the ESP8266 to give the RPI WIFI?
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[7:31] <myself> only what google told me
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[8:16] <AiGreek> 'Morning
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[9:58] <Xark> cluelessperson: I think you might have better luck with SPI Ethernet via ENC28J60 https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=44&t=18397
[9:59] <cluelessperson> Xark, RPI has built in ethernet...
[9:59] <Xark> cluelessperson: Ahh, right. More useful on RPiZero. :)
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[10:00] <Xark> cluelessperson: I think there have been some hacks with ESP8266...but better to get USB dongle. :)
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[10:01] <cluelessperson> Xark, good point, which I can seem to find anywhere that even has those in stock
[10:01] <Xark> I managed to get one from Adafruit.
[10:02] <mgottschlag> SPI/SDIO ethernet/wifi is great if you want to use that other USB port as a USB slave
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[14:32] <MarkusDBX> Is it a good idea to put a lot of rpi's in a 1u rack case, to make a co-lo cluster. I'm going to use it in production for redundancy. Since I find that if I use 16 rpi 2's and dual switches and lots of small psu's. I will get a solution that will be very redundant.
[14:32] <MarkusDBX> my applications demands redundancy, not really computing power.
[14:33] <MarkusDBX> is this a good idea or just stupid?
[14:34] <shiftplusone> Probably not so much about good or stupid as it is about whether you need that. Only you will know that
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[14:37] <MarkusDBX> shiftplusone: goal is redundant and cheap hosting, of services important to me, for little cost.
[14:37] <creazur> Has anyone tried Behringers UCA222 USB sound card with Raspberry Pi 2? I'm interested in latencies that can be achieved with live audio modifications
[14:37] <MarkusDBX> I find normal 1u co-lo servers vunerable to psu failure and such.
[14:38] <MarkusDBX> and I find aws and similar clouds expensive and not too good on privacy or security.
[14:39] <mgottschlag> MarkusDBX: well, if you want reliability, you want at least some geographical diversity
[14:40] <MarkusDBX> I can run backups offsite
[14:40] <mgottschlag> then your availability is not better than with that 1u colo server though
[14:40] <MarkusDBX> It's mainly going to be production of "intranet" services, not so much public services.
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[14:41] <mgottschlag> not much at least
[14:41] <MarkusDBX> mgottschlag: true. that is down to the co-lo provider
[14:41] <MarkusDBX> and luck =)
[14:41] <chesty> say a pi dies, then what?
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[14:41] <MarkusDBX> Then I don't care
[14:41] <MarkusDBX> an replace it sometime
[14:41] <MarkusDBX> if I run 16 in a cluster, that's just one node less
[14:41] <chesty> meanwhile one of your services is down?
[14:41] <chesty> oh, right
[14:42] <MarkusDBX> no, I plan to use mesos, that will just fire up the service on another pi
[14:42] <Armand> MarkusDBX: What exactly are you hosting ?
[14:43] <MarkusDBX> it's going to be an internal cluster development platform mostly
[14:43] <MarkusDBX> so internal use, not public
[14:43] <Armand> Hummm..
[14:43] <nid0> you're going to get better availability out of almost any cheap vps provider that's backed by clustered infrastructure
[14:43] <MarkusDBX> depends
[14:43] <Armand> We have a clustered webhosting platform, but I don't think that's what you're looking for.
[14:43] <MarkusDBX> noisy neighbors and ddos is rather common problems
[14:44] <nid0> not really. your suggestion is prone to failures at the rack level or above, almost any clustered hosting is going to eliminate at least the rack level problems
[14:44] <mgottschlag> unless you actually want so many nodes, a 1u enclosure with two mini itx boards might be faster and not more expensive
[14:44] <MarkusDBX> sure it's prone to racklevel failures
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[14:45] <MarkusDBX> mgottschlag: I want many nodes, that's the point
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[14:45] <nid0> alternatively if your services are cluster-aware, get cheap vps's with say 3 different providers and cluster them together
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[14:45] <Armand> MarkusDBX: I would suggest that the ODroid XU4 would be better suited, with more cores.. but you're still stuck with figuring out the physical deployment.
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[14:46] <MarkusDBX> Armand: sure, i've reviewed the odroid
[14:46] <MarkusDBX> Armand: Imo the odroid is better too
[14:46] <nid0> "very redundant" and "all in one rack" do not go together, even if you do go the pi route you'll need them colocated in at least 2 different places
[14:46] <Armand> I'm working on a 4-unit haproxy cluster.
[14:46] <MarkusDBX> cool
[14:46] <MarkusDBX> Armand: then we're on the same path almost
[14:46] <mgottschlag> I guess the odroid is only good if you can live with fewer nodes, or if you can use the performance to emulate nodes via virtualization
[14:47] <chesty> i'm going to say with 16 pi's you're 8 times as likely to have a failer than with 2 faster units
[14:47] <mgottschlag> ah, wait
[14:47] <mgottschlag> yeah, the X4 actually is affordable in larger numbers
[14:47] <MarkusDBX> chesty: yeah sure
[14:47] <mgottschlag> (was thinking of the XU3 which is just too expensive)
[14:47] <Armand> It looks like your plan is somewhat more complex than mine, however.
[14:47] <Armand> I just need Apache/PHP
[14:47] <MarkusDBX> Armand: just slightly
[14:47] <Armand> Mine is only for a few websites.
[14:48] <MarkusDBX> Armand: I need to run a few microservices, on docker on marathon and mesos.. that's the dream at least.
[14:48] <Armand> Whereas I don't need to run anything besides LAMP. ^_^
[14:48] <MarkusDBX> Armand: I do php development, although I find php very single threaded still.
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[14:48] <MarkusDBX> Armand: I find that probably an overclocked 6700 or similar xeon is the best for php.
[14:48] <Armand> I'll see if that really matters.. lol
[14:48] <chesty> if you're going to do it, do it because it's fun, not because it's better than some other solution.
[14:48] <Armand> ^
[14:49] <Armand> I'm doing it 'because I can'
[14:49] <MarkusDBX> I want to learn to build distributed apps better.
[14:49] <Armand> Want, rather than need.
[14:49] <MarkusDBX> yeah sure
[14:49] <chesty> yeap, then do it
[14:49] <Armand> It's an interesting project to throw �300 at :)
[14:50] <Armand> I'm getting the front/back-end servers for nothing, so that helps.
[14:50] <MarkusDBX> also the co-lo place is close to my office and home.
[14:50] <mgottschlag> btw, does the pi 2 support proper virtualization with KVM now?
[14:50] <Armand> I'll pay nothing for colo. :)
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[14:52] <MarkusDBX> Armand: If I had huge money to spare on cluster development, I would probably buy a a 1/3 rack or something with real supermicros.
[14:53] <Armand> Likewise.. lol
[14:53] <Armand> I've already got a full height rack.. but nowhere to house it as yet.
[14:53] <nid0> im guessing your bosses at least are flush with cash now Armand :p
[14:53] <Armand> ^
[14:53] <Armand> lol
[14:53] <Armand> About time for a payrise. ;)
[14:53] <MarkusDBX> but also IT is about efficiency, that's why google is successful. I bet.. if google doesn't NEED to sweep the floor, they don't. =)
[14:54] <Armand> I'm going solar, to power the nodes.
[14:54] <MarkusDBX> btw I think MANY coporations would like 1u's filled with odroids for certain applications.
[14:54] <Armand> There's no way I can accommodate/afford enough panels and batteries to power Xeon servers though.
[14:55] <MarkusDBX> for the rack failover, you can just have two, in different datacenters.
[14:55] <mgottschlag> house dust is 90% human skin and hairs... if your system fails less often, you have less people in the server room, those people produce less dirt, you don't need to clean :p
[14:55] <MarkusDBX> 2 x 1u boxes. cheap co-lo and massive failover.
[14:55] <Armand> MarkusDBX: That's actually my point in this project... to see if these ARM clusters can handle a decent load and be cost-effective.
[14:56] <MarkusDBX> Armand: As an alternative to expensive azure, google cloud platform and aws I believe in it.
[14:56] <MarkusDBX> For corporations that want to keep their data private.
[14:56] <mgottschlag> the problem with odroids is that they don't have sata
[14:56] <Armand> Throwing �300-500 at a test project isn't bad at all.
[14:56] <mgottschlag> so the throughput is somewhat limited
[14:56] <Armand> mgottschlag: Not a problem.. storage server/NAS
[14:56] <MarkusDBX> mgottschlag: that will solve itself in the long run I suspect
[14:57] <Armand> Only the OS & stack will live on the eMMC
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[14:57] <MarkusDBX> if you get your cluster going today, you can just add sata nodes, once available.
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[14:58] <MarkusDBX> Armand: Imo, the q1900 x86 boards, like the gigabyte brix, might be a sata storage option.
[14:58] <Armand> I've already got the Xeon servers pledged. :)
[14:58] <MarkusDBX> or a motherboard from a hp microserver, might work too
[14:58] <mgottschlag> MarkusDBX: e.g. a N3150 celeron board is cheaper than the odroid and has sata and more CPU power
[14:58] <Armand> I can probably replace those with low power servers at a later date.
[14:58] <MarkusDBX> not really true
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[14:59] <MarkusDBX> http://browser.primatelabs.com/geekbench2/compare/2574010/2570553
[15:00] <mgottschlag> hm, interesting, I thought the braswell cores were stronger
[15:00] <MarkusDBX> I thought so too
[15:01] <Armand> I really need to find some co-funders. :/
[15:01] <MarkusDBX> btw the odroid has some really strange stuff going on on the "blur image" benchmark
[15:01] <mgottschlag> in some parts, those results really look suspicious though
[15:01] <MarkusDBX> yep
[15:01] <Armand> Unfortunately, life expenses limit my budget somewhat.
[15:01] <MarkusDBX> the floating point is brutal
[15:02] <MarkusDBX> btw, comparing x86 to arm in general seems akward and strange.
[15:03] <Armand> It is..
[15:03] <MarkusDBX> http://browser.primatelabs.com/geekbench2/compare/2584289/2570553 compared to overclocked i7 6700k
[15:03] <MarkusDBX> still the odroid wins "sharpen image"
[15:03] <MarkusDBX> and is very fast on the floating point in general
[15:04] <mgottschlag> all I know is that the odroid is quite a bit slower than this i7 4500u for network programs
[15:05] <MarkusDBX> it should be
[15:05] <MarkusDBX> but acording to the geekbench, an overclocked 6700k is just about 5times faster.
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[15:06] <MarkusDBX> unfortunately for clusters the odroids buses kind of suck, "no infiniband" lol. =)
[15:07] <MarkusDBX> but for some loads it must be great.
[15:07] <MarkusDBX> like the floating point video rendering
[15:07] <Armand> I think the Gigabit will be fine for my requirements.
[15:08] <Armand> That will be the network limitation anyway.
[15:08] <mgottschlag> well, the odroid has USB3, are ther any USB3-10GBE adapters? :D
[15:08] <mgottschlag> *there
[15:08] <MarkusDBX> probably so expensive it defeats the purpose =)
[15:09] <MarkusDBX> if we can get future cheap tb3 that would be cool though
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[15:09] <MarkusDBX> since tb3 is mixed with usb3.1 kinda
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[15:10] <Armand> Hummm... QNAP NAS. :)
[15:11] <mgottschlag> yeah, as long as you don't care about security, TB is pretty nice I guess
[15:11] <mgottschlag> but USB<->TB adapters just don't work, TB expects a PCIe connection to the system bus
[15:11] <MarkusDBX> Armand: also if you're extra cheap, maybe ddwrt on the switch/router you use for the cluster networking, and then connect a usb drive to the router for nas
[15:12] <Armand> I've got a P4 server that should do the job
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[15:12] <MarkusDBX> cool
[15:12] <Armand> 2x 1Gb/s ports
[15:12] <MarkusDBX> Armand: I'm still on the fit everything in 1u path
[15:13] <Armand> I might get my mitts on 4U space.
[15:13] <MarkusDBX> if it's free sure
[15:13] <MarkusDBX> =)
[15:13] <MarkusDBX> I need to pay
[15:13] <Armand> Indeedy. ^_^
[15:13] <Armand> http://www.supermicro.co.uk/products/system/1U/5014/SYS-5014C-MT.cfm
[15:14] <Armand> I'll end up with Dell servers for the backend.
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[15:14] <MarkusDBX> old but nice I guess
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[15:14] <Armand> It only serves as a StarMade dedi at the moment.
[15:15] <Armand> I'm going to dump that onto a VDS though.
[15:15] <MarkusDBX> vds
[15:15] <MarkusDBX> ?
[15:15] <Armand> virtual server.
[15:15] <Armand> "VPS"
[15:15] <MarkusDBX> I see
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[15:15] <MarkusDBX> the latter acronym I'm more used to
[15:15] <Armand> I don't like the implied 'private', if it's publicly accessible. :P
[15:16] <MarkusDBX> actually the security of many providers is kind of crap
[15:16] <MarkusDBX> so..
[15:16] <Armand> lol
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[15:16] <MarkusDBX> I understand that =)
[15:16] <Armand> Well, no.. not that.
[15:16] <Armand> If it's on the internet, then it's not really "private" at all.. is it?
[15:16] <Armand> Contradiction.
[15:17] <MarkusDBX> depends
[15:17] <MarkusDBX> if you don
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[15:17] <MarkusDBX> ops
[15:17] <MarkusDBX> I've you don't open any ports and just do reverse tunnels, or openvpn it's kind of private.
[15:17] <Armand> If it's secured by a VPN, then it's not public.. thus "private" may apply.
[15:18] <Armand> But I'm referring specifically to a publicly accessible server.
[15:18] <Armand> Whereby "private" no longer applies.
[15:19] <shauno> I think the 'private' is just "compared to shared hosting"
[15:20] <Armand> Potatoes, tomatoes. :P
[15:21] <JK-47> potatoes and tomatoes are 92% identical genetically.
[15:21] <MarkusDBX> Armand: you're correct that the term is not really correct in most cases, since it's often public and kind of insecure by default on many providers.
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[15:22] <TheLostAdmin> I think the private in VPS referrs to the fact that you control who has login rights at the operating system layer.
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[15:34] <mudler> hello there, i'm a sabayon developer and today we just released our Tech preview for Rpi2. there is some volounteer willing to test the image? We lack arm tester as for now. Any help/feedback would be really appreciated! Details can be found here: http://blog.mudler.pm/2016/01/tech-preview-sabayon-on-raspberrypi2.html
[15:37] <deshipu> mudler: what is sabayon?
[15:37] <mudler> deshipu: linux rolling release distribution based on gentoo
[15:37] <mudler> but, with a binary package manager :)
[15:37] <deshipu> mudler: you compile stuff on the pi?
[15:37] <deshipu> ah
[15:37] <mudler> not on the pi, we have a cluster for that
[15:38] <deshipu> makes sense :)
[15:38] <mudler> for what concerns rpi, we have kodi working out of the box, and docker too :)
[15:38] <deshipu> I'd be more interested in ROS
[15:39] <mudler> yes, we are compiling that as well
[15:39] <deshipu> alas, no time
[15:39] <mudler> we are still having issues in compilation for some of it's modules, but majority of ros is compiled and tracked
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[15:39] <deshipu> yeah, ros is a mess, or so I've heard
[15:40] <mudler> deshipu: yeah, some headaches on compiling the whole packages
[15:40] <mudler> i had a rpi2 for 2 months, now the donor wanted it back and i can't test myself :(
[15:41] <deshipu> it's not exactly like they are hard to come by
[15:41] <mudler> yeah, i'm still waiting my amazon package -_-"
[15:42] <mudler> it's taking an age, coming from UK (i'm italian)
[15:42] <deshipu> bad season
[15:42] <deshipu> for packages
[15:42] <deshipu> I'm waiting for 10 or something
[15:42] <mudler> and as you can imagine, in italy deliverers are quite incompetent
[15:43] <mudler> yeah, so do i, like 20 dayz :(
[15:43] <deshipu> in here the official post office is actually pretty great, the couriers are bad though
[15:43] <deshipu> here = Switzerland
[15:44] <mudler> this surprise me, i supposed just italy was bad at this :P
[15:44] <mudler> they can't even find sometimes my address. LOL
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[15:44] <deshipu> in here they just leave the box at your door and leave
[15:45] <TheLostAdmin> They are about the same in Canada except the post office doesn't offer 1 day delivery across the country.
[15:45] <deshipu> sometimes even won't ring the doorbell
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[15:45] <mudler> lol
[15:45] <mudler> lovely
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[17:34] <NicoHood> I installed arch linux on my pi2. but i get sd card errors (on some nameless 8gb card, nothing special). after pacman upgrade + reboot it doesnt come up again at all. any ideas why? on raspbian the newer kernel adds a new sd driver which was incompatible with my sd cards. i tried to switch it off in config.txt, bu that didnt help too.
[17:36] <mudler> NicoHood: dunno about arch, but i thought pacman upgrade won't upgrade your kernel automatically
[17:37] <traeak> bad card :=p
[17:37] <mudler> indeed it seems your card is rip
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[17:37] <traeak> badblocks ?
[17:37] <NicoHood> I will try another sd card, that i used more often
[17:37] <NicoHood> no, sudden sd card timeouts
[17:37] <mudler> try other distros as well
[17:38] <traeak> the pi has pretty limited kernel choices
[17:38] <traeak> so if its something kernel related...welll
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[18:49] <TrekBike> robdb: Coulda been better. I didn't win the powerball.
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[19:09] <vegii> How likely is it that we'll see pi zero's supplies that could handle the demand anytime soon?
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[19:26] <NicoHood> you just need to know the right ppl to get one ;)
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[19:53] <vegii> cool. But I don't
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[19:57] <vegii> Just need one for a NAS for my father. To be used together with this: http://www.aliexpress.com/item/High-Quality-Micro-USB-to-Network-LAN-Ethernet-RJ45-Adapter-with-3-Port-USB-2-0/32528198652.html?ws_ab_test=searchweb201556_2,searchweb201644_5_10001_10002_9998_10005_10006_10003_10004_62,searchweb201560_2,searchweb1451318400_6148
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[19:57] <vegii> is it likely to work with 2x 2.5" HDD's on a 2A PSU?
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[19:59] <TrekBike> Probably better off with a powered USB hub for the HDDs
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[20:02] <vegii> yes, that's what I mean. I'll solder a micro usb plug to a hub psu, or wire the psu pwr supply in to a stripped microusb cable
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[20:02] <vegii> and add some cap by the way
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[20:18] <vegii> does pizero require an OTG adapter?
[20:19] <vegii> does it need the 5th microusb pin to be shorted to gnd?
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[20:20] <BurtyB> vegii, I'd assume not since it works with usb connections soldered on the pads
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[20:24] <x3l3tric> It is done.
[20:24] <vegii> gud. Someone posted in the comments on ali that the 3-port hub + rj45 thing doesnt work on pizero though it works with a tablet
[20:24] <x3l3tric> Finally, FINALLY, I have everything set up on my Pi2 the way it was on my Model B
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[20:38] <simoneb> does somebody have a clue why I can't read the raspi's SD card via windows (vista) and ext2read?
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[20:42] <fBirD> simoneb Maybe you don't have your cardreader installed properly.
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[20:42] <fBirD> simoneb in some computers, you need to install card reader driver to work
[20:43] <simoneb> I can see the FAT partition ...
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[20:44] <fBirD> simoneb have you install the cardreader driver ?
[20:45] <simoneb> not actively? it used to work
[20:45] <simoneb> I mean, it works as a card reader, I just can't access the ext3 partition seemingly
[20:47] <fBirD> humm
[20:47] <fBirD> simoneb maybe this work for you http://www.howtogeek.com/112888/3-ways-to-access-your-linux-partitions-from-windows/
[20:48] <fBirD> "Windows can’t read Linux partitions without third-party software"
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[20:49] <simoneb> yes... that's the page where I got the idea to try ext2read... it's the same software as ext2explore (last one mentioned in the article)
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[20:49] <zirkuswurstikus> hello
[20:50] <zirkuswurstikus> I like to automount any connected usbdrive to /media/xyz. whats the recommended way? Thank you.
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[20:50] <zirkuswurstikus> the drives are usually ntfs or fat
[20:51] <fBirD> simoneb and after install that, didn't work ?
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[20:56] <t3chguy> I have a really strange issue, when I shut my pi down gracefully, the RTC seems to lose time, yet if I yank out the power or simply reboot it seems to stay synced, also if I just yank out the RTC and read from it its still in sync
[20:56] <t3chguy> any ideas?
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[20:58] <uriah> t3chguy: how is it connected/
[20:59] <t3chguy> uriah: GPIO, I2C
[20:59] <uriah> which pins?
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[20:59] <uriah> and what is the model of your rtc?
[20:59] <t3chguy> 1,3,5,7,9 (don't think it uses 7)
[20:59] <t3chguy> DS3231N
[21:00] <uriah> t3chguy: did you follow a tutorial?
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[21:01] <uriah> t3chguy: what is pin 7 supposed to be doing?
[21:01] <t3chguy> nothing, its just a 5 pin long header
[21:01] <uriah> oh ok
[21:01] <t3chguy> uriah: http://www.dx.com/p/ds3231-raspberry-pi-rtc-board-real-time-clock-module-for-arduino-black-277258?tc=GBP&gclid=CjwKEAiAws20BRCs-P-ssLbSlg4SJABbVcDpOMJRZZU_MMEWI6ssvrEm8JRLnOmvIiVw6KpblE81IBoCLznw_wcB#.VpQJ115b_DE
[21:01] <t3chguy> its one of those
[21:01] <uriah> hmm... maybe cut that wire out of the equation if possible
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[21:02] <uriah> unlses it isn't connected to the rtc at all?
[21:02] <t3chguy> I'll probe whether that pin is connected to any of the IC pins
[21:02] <uriah> pretty sure it's connected to *something*
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[21:02] <uriah> t3chguy: can you post an image of your setup somewhere?
[21:02] <uriah> also, http://www.raspberrypi-spy.co.uk/2015/05/adding-a-ds3231-real-time-clock-to-the-raspberry-pi/
[21:02] <t3chguy> uriah: it literally just sits on the pi
[21:03] <uriah> k
[21:03] <simoneb> fBirD: never mind. I just rebooted to linux...
[21:03] <t3chguy> that pin doesn't appear to be connected to the IC
[21:03] <uriah> ok
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[21:04] <t3chguy> or the pins are covered in too much flux for me to be able to probe them without risking a short
[21:04] <fBirD> simoneb :S
[21:04] <uriah> t3chguy: :-/
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[21:05] <t3chguy> its weird how the RTC works perfectly except during a graceful shutdown
[21:05] <t3chguy> I'll try another one, got one sat on my Pi2, I'll stick it onto my Zero
[21:05] <t3chguy> I should test the behaviour on the 2 also
[21:05] <uriah> t3chguy: do you set the time onto the rtc upon a graceful shutdown?
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[21:06] <uriah> with hwclock -w
[21:06] <t3chguy> uriah: I don't, no idea if systemd does internally or whatever
[21:06] <uriah> oh ok
[21:06] <uriah> maybe it does
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[21:08] <uriah> t3chguy: do you just use systemd to set the time from the hwclock upon boot?
[21:08] <t3chguy> well I have `echo ds1307 0x68 > /sys/class/i2c-adapter/i2c-1/new_device; hwclock -s` in /etc/rc.local
[21:08] <uriah> ah ok
[21:08] <uriah> is there an rc.shutdown file?
[21:09] <t3chguy> not that i can see
[21:09] <uriah> raspbian, right?
[21:09] <simoneb> should be /etc/rc5.d or rc6.d in some *nixes
[21:09] <uriah> t3chguy: or arch?
[21:09] <t3chguy> Raspbian, yeah
[21:09] <t3chguy> I just found something
[21:09] <t3chguy> gotta love recursive grep
[21:09] <t3chguy> /etc/systemd/system/halt.target.wants/hwclock-save.service
[21:10] <uriah> heheh
[21:10] <uriah> what's in there?
[21:11] <t3chguy> weird that the hwclock.service is a device pointing to /dev/null
[21:11] <t3chguy> "Description=Synchronise Hardware Clock to System Clock"
[21:12] <t3chguy> so yeah, systemd does write to the RTC during the Shutdown
[21:12] <t3chguy> I'll try disable this service and see how that goes
[21:14] <uriah> t3chguy: can you show me the line where it points to /dev/null?
[21:15] <t3chguy> one sec, pi is down atm
[21:15] <uriah> k
[21:15] <t3chguy> the hwclock-save.service doesn't, but hwclock.service does
[21:15] <uriah> dunno, i think it's important to write the correct time to rtc upon shutdown to prevent clock skew
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[21:15] <uriah> i see...
[21:15] <uriah> t3chguy: you're running ntpd, right?
[21:16] <t3chguy> I'm assuming so, as it was pulling the correct date and time
[21:16] <t3chguy> stock Raspbian Jessie light build
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[21:17] <t3chguy> and now it looks to be fine
[21:17] <uriah> ok
[21:17] <uriah> nice
[21:18] <uriah> t3chguy: does hwclock.service do anything on shutdown?
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[21:18] <t3chguy> uriah: http://pbin.in/lg
[21:18] <uriah> t3chguy: also, it may be possible that the kernel config has systohc/hctosys enabled, which would likely negate the need for those services... maybe not though
[21:18] <t3chguy> hwclock.service is /dev/null
[21:19] <uriah> can you paste somewhere that doesn't require javascript please?
[21:19] <uriah> sorry, i'm just the paranoid type ;)
[21:19] <t3chguy> hwclock-save.service is: http://pbin.in/Tc
[21:19] <t3chguy> oh sorry
[21:19] <t3chguy> sure
[21:19] <uriah> lol
[21:19] <uriah> ty
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[21:20] <t3chguy> uriah: http://termbin.com/1m7e better?
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[21:21] <t3chguy> I'm assuming termbin doesn't
[21:21] <t3chguy> the js on pbin is just for syntax highlighting
[21:21] <uriah> yes, thanks
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[21:22] <uriah> ok that should work though
[21:22] <t3chguy> should yeah, just seems like it causes some timing issue
[21:22] <t3chguy> where the RTC loses around a minute
[21:22] <uriah> t3chguy: zcat /proc/config.gz | grep -i systohc
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[21:23] <uriah> hmm, damn
[21:23] <t3chguy> no such file
[21:23] <uriah> damn
[21:23] <uriah> uhm
[21:23] <uriah> find raspbian's default kernel config somewhere and grep it for the same thing
[21:24] <uriah> anyway
[21:24] <uriah> i've gtg, i hope this is enough help
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[21:24] <uriah> good luck!
[21:24] <t3chguy> haha thanks uriah
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[21:27] <uriah> t3chguy: no problem :)
[21:28] <t3chguy> trying to get the -save service to log the date+time of both RTC and Sys right before and right after the shutdown sync, maybe that'll get me somewhere
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[21:33] <t3chguy> well thats weird uriah
[21:33] <t3chguy> seemingly, removing the Debug flag from the hwclock command seems to have removed the issue
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[21:35] <t3chguy> gonna have to test a few more times to confirm that
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[21:36] <Bilby> forgot this was here <_<
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[21:38] <t3chguy> uriah: I was wrong, issue just came back, 3 minutes lost this time
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[21:42] <Apocx> anyone know if the wake from halt feature of pin #5 can be changed to a different pin?
[21:43] <Apocx> cause pin #5 (GPIO 3) is I2C1_SCL pin which I'm using for I2C.
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[21:44] <mgottschlag> you certainly could just bit-bang I2C
[21:44] <mgottschlag> (on different pins)
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[21:46] <Bilby> probably not without a custom bootcode.bin file
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[21:53] <t3chguy> uriah: disabling the service doesn't fix it
[21:53] <Apocx> yeah and I don't think that's possible cause it's a part of the GPU black box. I could bit-bang it but I think there is an I2C0 on GPIO0/1 that I can use
[21:53] <t3chguy> it would seem as though the RTC "freezes" when the Pi is off
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[22:07] <t3chguy> uriah: reading up on it, could be that the cell is just a bit flat, as it takes less current to keep the stored memory, than to run the oscillator
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[22:08] <Scriptonaut> hey guys, I can't seem to find this online, is the rpi2 B usb3 or 2?
[22:08] <t3chguy> Scriptonaut: 2
[22:08] <Scriptonaut> ah, dang
[22:08] <Scriptonaut> There are usb3 hubs for the rpi
[22:08] <Scriptonaut> how does that work?
[22:08] <Scriptonaut> wouldn't it still be limited to usb 2?
[22:08] <myself> how it works is profit
[22:08] <myself> put bigger numbers in the item listing, charge more
[22:08] <myself> caveat emptor
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[22:09] <Bilby> haha
[22:09] <Bilby> Scriptonaut yes, they only run at USB 2 speeds.
[22:10] <Bilby> myself: Scriptonaut is at least trying to caveat his emptor ahaha
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[22:13] <Scriptonaut> ah, dang
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[22:18] <myself> Maybe the usb3 hubs support higher charging current or come with a better power supply or something? I wouldn't bet on any of that though.
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[22:21] <Bilby> if i recall, the higher charge current on USB was only for USB 3 devices so hypothetically items plugged into the hub could get more power, but it’s probably not really worth it
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[22:21] <Bilby> the only feasible reason i can think of is future-proofing, if you decide to use the hub for something else or they release a Pi with USB 3
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[22:44] <Scriptonaut> Ya, I wanted to use the rpi for a file server, but my hdd enclosure needs usb 3 to be performant at all
[22:44] <Scriptonaut> also, getting zfs to run on the rpi probably wouldn't go well
[22:44] <Scriptonaut> Even with 2GB of ram, zfs sucks
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[22:46] <swiss> also, glhf getting good read write speeds with the USB bus speed on an rpi
[22:46] <swiss> especially since the ethernet is off the same bus iirc
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[22:46] <swiss> which means file transfers from network to hdd would be turbo slow
[22:46] <Chillum> I tend to use openwrt routers for file servers
[22:46] <Chillum> better network hardware and usb3
[22:47] <Chillum> they also have great wifi
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[22:47] <uriah> t3chguy: oic
[22:47] <Scriptonaut> oh cool, thanks for the tip Chillum
[22:47] <uriah> t3chguy: do you have any spare cells?
[22:47] <t3chguy> uriah: it's soldered on, so no
[22:48] <niklas_e> anyone installed gentoo on a raspberry pi 2 b? Followed the quick guide but it doesn't seem to boot
[22:48] <Chillum> Scriptonaut: ya, the rpi is a great system, but network and usb performance are not among its virtues
[22:48] <Chillum> (both use the same bus)
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[22:48] <uriah> t3chguy: o damn
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[22:49] <uriah> t3chguy: you had to solder it on?! there wasn't a socket?
[22:49] <swiss> also, remember that external drives fail
[22:49] <swiss> and often without too much warning
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[22:49] <Scriptonaut> niklas_e: have you used gentoo before?
[22:49] <niklas_e> yes
[22:49] <Scriptonaut> ah
[22:50] <niklas_e> But installing in a new device now
[22:50] <Scriptonaut> I haven't used gentoo in a long time, but I was going to recommend using it on a desktop first if you haven't
[22:50] <swiss> did you install gentoo for ARM
[22:50] <Scriptonaut> I should try out gentoo on my main workstation
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[22:50] <Scriptonaut> it would probably provide the speed I need (10 year old hardware)
[22:50] <niklas_e> been folloing https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Raspberry_Pi/Quick_Install_Guide exept I used the arm7 stage 3
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[22:52] <Scriptonaut> so, you replaced all the armv6 strings with armv7?
[22:52] <niklas_e> yep
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[22:53] <niklas_e> I can't find any bootloader so I think it is that or something
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[22:53] <niklas_e> or it doesn't need any?
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[22:55] <Scriptonaut> I imagine it needs one
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[23:04] <t3chguy> uriah: came pre-soldered
[23:05] <t3chguy> its a tiny little lithium cell
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[23:05] <t3chguy> uriah: http://thepihut.com/products/mini-rtc-module-for-raspberry-pi <<<
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[23:06] <t3chguy> uriah: hmm, someone asked a question on pihut similar to my issue
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[23:06] <t3chguy> no answer there though
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[23:07] <mudler> gentoo on arm? :)
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[23:08] <[Saint]> If anyone wants them, I thought I'd drop a few handy bash aliases in here that I use:
[23:08] <[Saint]> http://pastebin.com/FWWUbTnD
[23:08] <semyon> sweet, bookmarking it
[23:09] <[Saint]> If anyone else has any cool/useful ones that they use with any regularity or to increase productivity - I'd love it if you shared them too
[23:09] <uriah> t3chguy: you can probably desolder it and find a socket for a coin cell that has the same voltage but a higher capacity, then solder the socket on for further experimentation ;)
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[23:09] <t3chguy> probably uriah, but then it'd no longer fit directly onto the GPIO :P
[23:10] <uriah> hmm, i see
[23:10] <t3chguy> imma leave it plugged in all night to see what the cell actually charges up to
[23:10] <[Saint]> semyon: you can do "echo 'alias my-alias='this is my alias' >> ~/.bash_aliases" if you want to add them individually.
[23:10] <t3chguy> see if its significant enough differential between now and then
[23:10] <semyon> do you restart ssh often [Saint]?
[23:10] <uriah> how about you solder wires onto it so you can place the socket elsewhere?
[23:10] <semyon> nice thanks
[23:10] <[Saint]> semyon: enough to warrant making an alias for it, yes.
[23:11] <t3chguy> uriah: ideally not wanting to do that, besides not got any 2032 sockets handy
[23:11] <[Saint]> I figure you guys might like the 'do-full-upgrade' one.
[23:11] <uriah> t3chguy: got any other sockets handy? :D
[23:11] <[Saint]> but it depends on rpi-update, so make sure it's installed first.
[23:11] <t3chguy> could rip one off my full-size DS3231 modules
[23:11] <t3chguy> hmm
[23:11] <t3chguy> thats a good idea actually
[23:12] <t3chguy> I could test using the full DS3231 module
[23:12] <uriah> :>
[23:12] <uriah> do it!!!
[23:12] <uriah> OR
[23:12] <t3chguy> (the ones with the flawed charging circuit (Dangerously flawed)
[23:12] <Bilby> dangerously cheesy?
[23:12] <uriah> t3chguy: does the rtc coin cell even have any charging capabilities?
[23:12] <[Saint]> My particular favorite one is the ssh key generating alias.
[23:12] <t3chguy> as in, it tries to charge CR2032 (non-rechargeable cells) and also tries to push 4.7V into a LIR2032 (max 4.3V)
[23:12] <[Saint]> As if that gets widely distributed I won't have to worry about people creating shitty ssh keys. ;)
[23:12] <Apocx> the DS3231 does?
[23:13] <t3chguy> Apocx: what?
[23:13] <t3chguy> uriah: in the mini, no idea, I'm assuming so
[23:13] <uriah> i would doubt it
[23:13] <t3chguy> for the full-size, I have both CR and LIR cells
[23:13] <[Saint]> though, admittedly, 8192 bit is /pretty/ extreme.
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[23:13] <t3chguy> oh
[23:13] <t3chguy> uriah: its not a cell
[23:13] <t3chguy> its a super-cap
[23:13] <t3chguy> apparently
[23:13] <t3chguy> "This accessory plugs on top of your Pi's GPIO pins and contains a clock chip and a super-cap that allows your Raspberry Pi to remember the time!"
[23:13] <uriah> ohhhhh nice!!!
[23:13] <[Saint]> you could probably safely limit that to 4096, but these days, I wouldn;t go lower than 4096 bit.
[23:14] <uriah> t3chguy: so when it's plugged into the pi it can recharge, that's awesome. what's its capacity though?
[23:14] <[Saint]> most distros seem to still be using 1024 bit by default for ssh-keygen, which is frankly nuts.
[23:14] <t3chguy> uriah: no idea, it looks strangely like a cell
[23:14] <uriah> t3chguy: DO NOT desolder that, it's awesome. if anything find a higher capacity supercap somewhere and solder that on
[23:14] <uriah> t3chguy: got a photo of its underside?
[23:15] <[Saint]> the cpu temp and cpu freq ones are also handy, I guess.
[23:15] <t3chguy> uriah: there's tabs across both sides
[23:15] <t3chguy> all I can see is a + and obstructed text
[23:15] <t3chguy> hmm
[23:15] <uriah> hmm... a tab?
[23:15] <t3chguy> as in solder-taps
[23:15] <t3chguy> tabs*
[23:15] <uriah> oh ok
[23:15] <t3chguy> I wonder if my DMM can measure Super-caps xD
[23:16] <uriah> probably...
[23:16] <uriah> measure voltage only unless you have some kind of megaohm resistor somewhere
[23:16] <semyon> well i keep checking a nodejs script to check temps lol, handy to have an alias ready to check it in bash
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[23:16] <uriah> t3chguy: or if you want to know how many farads it is, you might have a bad time
[23:16] <uriah> dunno though
[23:17] <t3chguy> uriah: yeah this PoS DMM can't figure out the amount of Farads in this super-cap
[23:17] <t3chguy> voltage on it looks to be 3.001V
[23:17] <uriah> oh yeah
[23:17] <uriah> that's low
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[23:17] <uriah> well
[23:18] <uriah> let's take a look at the specs of the rtc
[23:18] <t3chguy> thats ideal
[23:18] <t3chguy> the RTC's backup should be a 3v lithium cell
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[23:18] <uriah> ok
[23:18] <uriah> t3chguy: maybe test it under load somehow though
[23:18] <uriah> wait it IS under load, right?
[23:19] <t3chguy> essentially yes
[23:19] <uriah> like, it's keeping the time atm? the pi isn't on?
[23:19] <t3chguy> a very minor load from the RTC
[23:19] <uriah> ok that's fine then
[23:19] <t3chguy> well I'm measuring the 2nd one
[23:19] <t3chguy> which isn't on the pi
[23:19] <t3chguy> I could easily test whether its a super-cap
[23:19] <uriah> oh ok
[23:19] <uriah> by draining it?
[23:19] <t3chguy> 3.2V source, apply it to the cap for a few seconds
[23:19] <uriah> hmm...
[23:19] <uriah> perhaps
[23:19] <t3chguy> a battery won't be able to charge that quickly
[23:19] <t3chguy> but a cap will
[23:20] <uriah> there should be a resistor hooked up to the cap or something to make sure it charges at the right rate
[23:20] <uriah> don't want to damage it ;)
[23:20] <t3chguy> there are only 2 pullups on the board
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[23:20] <ozzzy> why not use an EnerChip and TI RTC
[23:20] <t3chguy> and a cap
[23:20] <t3chguy> no other passives
[23:20] <uriah> but if you just hook it up to the rtc leads it's fine
[23:21] <t3chguy> I wonder how it actually charges
[23:21] <t3chguy> even on the Pi it seems to be around 3v
[23:21] <t3chguy> but there's no resistor or potential divider in-series
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[23:23] <sesquipedalian> w00 so pi 1 of 5 is up and running on a tv right now. Since I am lazy and dont want to use a mouse could I open up windows within the desktop environment over ssh?
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[23:24] <Akselmo> hi
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[23:24] <t3chguy> the + of the supercap is connected to pin 14
[23:24] <t3chguy> now to find out what that is
[23:26] <t3chguy> VBat
[23:26] <Bilby> sesquipedalian: VNC would be what you want for that
[23:26] <t3chguy> so does that mean that the DS3231 is charging the Supercap during the pi being on?
[23:26] <semyon> there are apps that turn your phone into a mouse over network too
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[23:28] <ashkanull> ping: icmp open socket: Operation not permitted
[23:28] <t3chguy> ashkanull: sudo ping
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[23:28] <t3chguy> uriah: wth, this link says its a Battery... http://www.modmypi.com/raspberry-pi/breakout-boards/seeed/mini-rtc-module-real-time-clock
[23:29] <uriah> hmm....
[23:29] <sesquipedalian> Bilby that is the overkill way imo. must be a way to open a program within the xfce session or w/e desktp environment pi is even using
[23:29] <uriah> t3chguy: one of them is wrong
[23:29] <uriah> t3chguy: you just have to find out which one D:
[23:29] <t3chguy> okay uriah, apparently its a Seeedstudio device, and they say Battery
[23:30] <uriah> ok
[23:30] <uriah> hmm...
[23:30] <ashkanull> t3chguy: I know but y
[23:30] <Bilby> Hmm… you might be able to send mouse commands over SSH or something, dunno.
[23:30] <uriah> t3chguy: are you certain that they might not be made differently because they're sold by different people?
[23:30] <t3chguy> oh no, wait
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[23:30] <t3chguy> uriah: the red ones are Supercap
[23:30] <t3chguy> the black ones (like mine) are Battery
[23:30] <t3chguy> Seeedstudio offers both
[23:30] <uriah> sesquipedalian: look around for a manual for x2x
[23:31] <uriah> sesquipedalian: and use port tunneling in ssh to make x2x secure
[23:31] <uriah> t3chguy: aww :(
[23:31] <uriah> sucks
[23:31] <t3chguy> ashkanull: its a bug
[23:31] <t3chguy> uriah: does, yeah
[23:32] <uriah> t3chguy: maybe you can interchange them, contact seeedstudio to find out maybe?
[23:32] <t3chguy> uriah: I believe you're right then
[23:32] <uriah> t3chguy: a supercap would be ideal
[23:32] <t3chguy> its a non-rechargeable cell
[23:32] <uriah> damn
[23:32] <uriah> ok
[23:32] <uriah> so uh
[23:32] <uriah> hmm...
[23:32] <uriah> buy the red one? :D
[23:32] <uriah> lol
[23:32] <t3chguy> well I'm assuming that
[23:32] <sesquipedalian> uriah: I thought x2x was for viewing x applications in the local desktop environment not the remote one
[23:32] <t3chguy> the Black ones are 99p xD
[23:32] <t3chguy> supercap one is 5x that
[23:32] <uriah> sesquipedalian: nope, x2x is to control 1 X from another one
[23:33] <sesquipedalian> yes but I have no wish to control it
[23:33] <uriah> t3chguy: oh :(
[23:33] <uriah> t3chguy: so yeah, find a higher capacity battery and solder a socket on or solder wires on and but a batt elsewhere
[23:34] <t3chguy> yeah
[23:34] <uriah> t3chguy: imagine how much lifetime you'd get from 2xAA batts placed under the pi :D
[23:34] <sesquipedalian> if I could open vlc media player on the pi and have 0 control over it once it is open that wouldbe ideal
[23:34] <t3chguy> uriah: the 2 AAs would be the same size as the Pi (Zero)
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[23:34] <uriah> sesquipedalian: i see...
[23:35] <t3chguy> the weird thing is uriah, pulling the RTC and plugging it in minutes later works fine
[23:35] <uriah> sesquipedalian: you can ssh into it, log in as the user running X, and run DISPLAY=":0.0" vlc /path/to/file
[23:35] <t3chguy> so the battery seems sufficient
[23:35] <uriah> weird then
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[23:36] <sesquipedalian> yes! this is what I am looking for. google idn't work because x2x and other search terms were so closely related
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[23:39] <t3chguy> uriah: I'll test it with an Arduino, that I can rely on
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[23:49] <sesquipedalian> works great uriah ty ty ty! and I can just use tmux to display any command line stuff by attaching to the session
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[23:52] <t3chguy> uriah: if only I could find these somewhere https://www.sparkfun.com/products/retired/10317
[23:52] <t3chguy> I could use a diode off the 3v3 rail to charge it
[23:53] <Chillum> wow @ the .2F tiny cap
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[23:53] <Chillum> probably need 2 in series to do much but nice
[23:53] <t3chguy> Chillum: for an RTC, so not really
[23:53] <t3chguy> and in series you half the Capacitance
[23:53] <t3chguy> so it'd make it worse
[23:54] <t3chguy> maybe you mean Parallel
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[23:54] <Chillum> yes, I was thiknking to power a mcu
[23:54] <Chillum> but for a rtc it is a great alternative to the recharcable buttoncells
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[23:55] <t3chguy> Chillum: do you know of any RTC "module" (PCB) that has a decent Charging circuit on it?
[23:55] <t3chguy> most of the DS3231s have a Diode and a Resistor and ship with a CR2032 which can explode
[23:55] <t3chguy> and even with a LIR2032 you're pushing it overvoltage and can exlpode
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[23:55] <t3chguy> s/exlpode/explode
[23:55] <Chillum> I have tried just a couple of cheap ones from fleabay and they both sucked.
[23:56] <Chillum> they did not explode but they tended to forget the time after being off only a week or so
[23:56] <Chillum> which is really the only thing they are supposed to do
[23:56] <t3chguy> they won't explode instantly or anything
[23:56] <CoJaBo> ..charging?
[23:56] <t3chguy> but with a CR2032, it'll bulge
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[23:56] <t3chguy> an LIR2032 can go kablooey, as all other Lithium cells (CR2032 is Lithium too)
[23:57] <Chillum> my uart gps was left unplugged for 6 months and it's button cell was still working, all my settings remained
[23:58] <Chillum> no reason for a well made rtc to have battery/charging issues. "well made" being the key term
[23:58] <Chillum> I have a bad habit of sorting from low to high and buying the cheap stuff. So I have more than average failures
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[23:59] <uriah> t3chguy: yeah, too bad...

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