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IRC Log for 2016-01-12

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[0:00] <t3chguy> I tend to buy the HK Cheapies too
[0:01] <coulbourne> Does anyone know where I can actually buy one of these? http://www.suptronics.com/xseries/x300.html
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[0:03] <Chillum> no idea coulbourne, but if you find out where I can buy one please let me know
[0:03] <Chillum> looks neat
[0:03] <coulbourne> Yeah it's super cool.
[0:03] <coulbourne> I may break down and email them, but it's so outside of my character. I tend to just wait until I remember again and try googling again
[0:03] <Chillum> I like the barrel jack
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[0:04] <coulbourne> yeah. Also SATA
[0:04] <uriah> t3chguy: https://www.adafruit.com/products/1885
[0:04] <uriah> ;-)
[0:04] <Chillum> SATA is over the usb bus I assume
[0:04] <Chillum> errr, wait is it connected to the usb bus?
[0:04] <Chillum> the gpios don't connect to usb, how are they extending the usb?
[0:05] <coulbourne> I honestly dont know
[0:05] <t3chguy> hahah uriah that'd backup the RTC for a few human lifetimes
[0:05] <coulbourne> I decided to buy one after looking at it for like s5 seconds
[0:05] <uriah> t3chguy: indeed!
[0:05] <coulbourne> 25*. The rest of this time has been attempting to buy one
[0:05] <uriah> t3chguy: and very dangerously so!
[0:05] <Chillum> coulbourne: there is something not right there. They would need to have a cable connecting a usb port to it and an onboard hub
[0:05] <t3chguy> uriah: in theory it'd be enough
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[0:05] <t3chguy> min vBat voltage is 2.3V
[0:05] <Chillum> you can't extend usb over gpio as far as I know
[0:06] <t3chguy> though I think it scales with Vin Voltage
[0:06] <Chillum> unless they are doing some strange usb over serial thing
[0:06] <uriah> t3chguy: basically, i'd like to have something like 6 of those in series...
[0:06] <uriah> if at all possible
[0:06] <uriah> that would be awesome
[0:06] <t3chguy> lol
[0:06] <Chillum> which would be damn slow.
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[0:06] <uriah> t3chguy: that way i could use my diy 7V-40V 5v regulator circuit
[0:06] <Chillum> ohhhh
[0:07] <Chillum> it has a usb bridge adapter
[0:07] <coulbourne> http://www.suptronics.com/xseries/x300_images_3.html
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[0:07] <coulbourne> yeah I was about to say that
[0:07] <Chillum> so it is sata over usb, not going to get any sata speed advantages
[0:07] <Chillum> still handy for compatability
[0:08] <coulbourne> yeah. slightly disappointing
[0:08] <coulbourne> RASPI 3 needs native SATA
[0:08] <coulbourne> all my best ideas fail at throughput
[0:09] <Chillum> possible, but it would involve a significant redesign
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[0:09] <coulbourne> yeah...
[0:09] <uriah> t3chguy: i mean... if it's running at 15V when fully charged, it would take some time before it reaches 7V
[0:09] <coulbourne> okay I'm out
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[0:10] <myself> so, http://linuxgizmos.com/ringing-in-2016-with-64-open-spec-hacker-friendly-sbcs/ <--- I count five options with SATA for under $50
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[0:15] <Chillum> yup, it is very possible
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[0:24] <myself> What's the status of the pogoplug? ISTR their architecture being throughput-optimized, GigE and SATA everywhere, etc.
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[0:57] <sesquipedalian> so my pi 2 is lagging with 1080p mp4 x264 video with vlc media player in raspbian
[0:57] <swellington> anyone have experience with the pi-supply?
[0:57] <sesquipedalian> is there a media player that uses the pi gpu well?
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[0:59] <pyroxide> omxplayer
[0:59] <chithead> any player which supports openmax should be able to work
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[1:00] <swellington> trying to use the interrupt code here but it shuts down when i try to login instead of only when i press the button
[1:00] <swellington> https://www.pi-supply.com/pi-supply-switch-v1-1-code-examples/?v=7516fd43adaa
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[1:18] <sesquipedalian> ty pyroxide it is working awesome
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[1:25] <CoJaBo> Has anyone ever tried to connect a gopro to an rpi before?
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[1:26] <CoJaBo> Seems like it'd be pretty cool to do, but dunno what the wifi password is..
[1:27] <JK-47> you set the password
[1:27] <CoJaBo> I can't figure out how tho
[1:28] <CoJaBo> There's no menu option for it
[1:28] <JK-47> goprohero is default
[1:28] <CoJaBo> It's the H4 black if it matters
[1:30] <JK-47> see if they changed it from v3 to v4
[1:30] <CoJaBo> how do i check?
[1:30] <JK-47> make a request once you join its wifi
[1:30] <JK-47> curl --request GET 'http://10.5.5.x/camera/SH?t=goprohero&p=%01'
[1:31] <JK-47> replace x with the actual ip of it
[1:31] <JK-47> or packet sniff the request from a system w. an app
[1:31] <CoJaBo> I can't connect without the password; gonna try goprohero if I can get my wifi card to see it again..
[1:33] <JK-47> or you can update it via the sd card
[1:33] <CoJaBo> That'd work too, but how?
[1:34] <JK-47> change the setting in the update install
[1:34] <JK-47> settings.ini
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[1:54] <CoJaBo> JK-47: Ok, the password works to connect; but how do I get it out of "pairing" mode?
[1:56] <CoJaBo> A list of all the URLs would be really useful :/
[1:56] <JK-47> google dude.
[1:57] <JK-47> you arent the first to do this, and there are ruby libraries and others for it
[1:59] <CoJaBo> JK-47: Everything I can find seems to start out with the assumption that I've already established the wifi cna pairing stuff
[1:59] <CoJaBo> I got it to connect now with that password, but I can't figure out how to get it to stop looking for the app once it does
[2:00] <JK-47> are you connected to wifi?
[2:00] <JK-47> if so. its ready to hit w/ web requests
[2:01] <CoJaBo> JK-47: Yep, that works; but only for about 2 minutes
[2:01] <CoJaBo> Then it times out saying "pairing failed"
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[2:06] <CoJaBo> JK-47: any ideas :/
[2:06] <JK-47> nope
[2:06] <JK-47> Works for me
[2:06] <CoJaBo> what camera?
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[2:11] <Apocx> my RPI reboots when I issue a "shutdown -h 0" command instead of halting like it should. interesting
[2:12] <CoJaBo> JK-47: what camera are you using tho?
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[2:20] <JK-47> 3+
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[2:30] <CoJaBo> JK-47: Looks like it just isn't possible on the 4 then? :/
[2:30] <CoJaBo> that sucks..
[2:38] <JK-47> you gave up because someone couldnt tell you how to do it?
[2:43] <CoJaBo> JK-47: I *don't know how* to find how to do it.. still looking, but I can't get past the pairing step
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[2:43] <CoJaBo> JK-47: Every single guide seems to start with the assumption that I've already done that; I'm assuming it's new to the H4, and maybe nobody has found out how to do it yet?
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[2:49] <JK-47> CoJaBo: turn off bluetooth on it
[2:49] <CoJaBo> There's no bluetooth option at all
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[2:49] <CoJaBo> Can't find any documentation at all for the settings.i file
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[2:51] <JK-47> well then youll have to enable bluetooth on the device you are using to connect to wifi, and pair it.
[2:51] <JK-47> but it shouldnt cause a wifi disconnecting issue if pair fails since bluetooth on 4 is only used against ios devices
[2:53] <JK-47> this is a very feature rich node.js gopro 4 interface. https://github.com/citolen/goproh4
[2:55] <CoJaBo> JK-47: I don't see a bluetooth option on the camera.. and i don't have bluetooth on the laptop or pi either :/
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[3:07] <CoJaBo> JK-47: The problem is, I don't even know where to look next. There isn't anything to even hint at what the next step is?
[3:09] <CoJaBo> ..thread from last october says it's impossible :/
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[3:18] <dorgan> hello everyone
[3:18] <dorgan> going to be puchasing my first raspberry pi, looking to setup home automation/monitoring
[3:18] <dorgan> what kit would everyone suggest?
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[3:24] <Viper168> dorgan, wel you probably want one with more gpio availability
[3:24] <Viper168> *well
[3:24] <Viper168> the wikipedia article for the pi has a comparison table that might list what has what
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[3:25] <Viper168> you're going to want to be able to use relay boards for switching things
[3:26] <methuzla> dorgan are you looking for a kit with everything for automation/monitoring, or just a good pi kit?
[3:26] <Viper168> cameras you'll probably have to use usb cams
[3:26] <Viper168> if you want more than one
[3:27] <Viper168> if doing cameras you might want to go with the pi 2 to have alittle more power to work with
[3:28] <dorgan> @methuzla either one
[3:28] <Viper168> you can use sensors via the gpio for things like temperature
[3:28] <dorgan> definitely doing pi 2
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[3:29] <Viper168> x10 stuff can make things a lot easier
[3:29] <Viper168> so you might want to try interfacing with that
[3:29] <Viper168> or whatever is filling the role of x10 in the market these days if not x10
[3:30] <Viper168> at least for switching power to appliances and lamps and such
[3:31] <methuzla> dorgan there's so much variation in what the hardware could be, i doubt you'll find a good kit
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[3:31] <methuzla> dorgan i'd start with a basic pi2 kit and build up from there to suit
[3:31] <dorgan> yeah i was thinking Xbee
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[3:32] <merrick`> canakit and vilro(i think?) seem to be popular starter kits iirc
[3:32] <merrick`> but they're not very 'focused', which it sounds like you might want for home automation stuff
[3:32] <dorgan> yeah thats was a can see form google so far, but figured I would get a real world opinion
[3:33] <dorgan> as those might be the most popular bought for people getting started but it might be different for people doing it all over again
[3:33] <dorgan> I am leaning towards the vilros pi2 ultimate starter kit right now
[3:34] <merrick`> i got the canakit just a few days ago. if you have any questions just shoot :)
[3:34] <merrick`> (the loccal microcenter had them for the same price as amazon so i scooped it up)
[3:34] <merrick`> canakit ultimate starter kit *
[3:35] <dorgan> unfortunately i dont have a microcenter local, soI'll be doing amazon, most of the kits are prime though so no worries there
[3:37] <sesquipedalian> i bought 5 canakit ultimates, only have 1 setup right now but it is nice. I can confirm also
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[3:37] <merrick`> why 5?
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[3:38] <sesquipedalian> one will handle some network storage in my house. Some security camera related stuff. 1 for each of my 2 tvs
[3:38] <sesquipedalian> that is 4
[3:39] <sesquipedalian> and the last one will be for making something like the hak5 pineapple thing
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[3:40] <sesquipedalian> going to put archlinux arm on them al las well
[3:40] <sesquipedalian> all as*
[3:40] <dorgan> I think I am leaning towards the vilros kit over canakit
[3:41] <kookie> link?
[3:41] <sesquipedalian> all of my pis are fine only being used through ssh once they are setup. so I can tuck them in interesting places throughout my home.
[3:43] <dorgan> @kookie http://amzn.to/1N3OacM
[3:44] <kookie> ty
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[3:45] <sesquipedalian> rasp pi 3 when?
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[3:45] <dorgan> probably not for another 2 years
[3:45] <dorgan> thats the last I remember reading
[3:47] <CoJaBo> JK-47: ..well, I found a way to get the camera to freeze; so I can use it via wifi, but it doesn't turn off after the 3 min timeout. only annoying part is, it doesn't turn wifi back on after the camera is turned off, I have to start over :/
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[4:18] <sesquipedalian> hmm is youtube-dl and omxplayer the best way to play youtube videos.
[4:19] <methuzla> there is no best way
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[4:20] <sesquipedalian> would be nice to just feed a script 1 url and have it download and play. even better if it somehow streamed the mp4 start to finish as it downloaded
[4:20] <SpeedEvil> The best way is to find one of their containerised youtube caches, and hook it up, and drive it home.
[4:21] <SpeedEvil> This 'online' thing is for suckers.
[4:23] <kookie> you mean look for the "cached" ones?
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[4:33] <dorgan> ended up order the raspberry pi 2 kit from sainsmart
[4:33] <dorgan> http://bit.ly/1RyyA1e
[4:34] <kookie> looking....
[4:35] <dorgan> since I already have all sorts of sensors and breadboard, etc from my arduino's
[4:36] <dorgan> this one looked like the best bet
[4:36] <kookie> sweet
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[4:38] <dorgan> anyone doing any voice control stuff with raspberry pi?
[4:39] <CoJaBo> I tried to get mine working with a gopro :/
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[4:44] <dorgan> anyone know how many gpio pins the offical raspberri pi displays use?
[4:46] <dorgan> nvm looks like its 2
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[4:49] <uriah> hmm... on the pi0 is the activity led indication switched?
[4:49] <uriah> like
[4:49] <uriah> no io = led on, io = led off?
[4:50] <uriah> cause, well, it's always on
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[4:52] <uriah> hmm, looks like it!
[4:52] <uriah> i just tested writing zeroes with dd onto the sd card
[4:52] <uriah> and now the activity led is usually off
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[4:53] <uriah> makes sense
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[6:52] <Mead> Just picked up a Zero today, what is the best way to give it network connectivity?
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[8:45] <mixfix41> New pi looks pretty good got an old desktop archarm be good test to runyou guys ever use the wipi?
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[9:14] <Mead> this place is as quiet as a morgue
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[9:14] <CoJaBo> Depends on the morgue.
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[9:15] <Mead> we talking nightshift?
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[9:19] <Mead> http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0084412/
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[10:18] <Michael2016> Hi, can somebody please tell me how to reduce cpu speed on the Raspberry Pi Zero?
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[10:20] <chithead> arm_freq in config.txt on the boot partition. see http://elinux.org/RPiconfig#Overclocking
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[10:23] <Michael2016> chithead: Thanks a lot. I tried it and it worked.
[10:26] <chithead> note that if you want to conserve power, undervolting should be considered too
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[10:29] <Michael2016> Another question: I did a "iw list" and there's AP/VLAN mode. What does this mean?
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[10:38] <Mead> what is the recomended method of giving network connectivity to a Zero?
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[10:40] <Armand> Wifi
[10:40] <Armand> At a guess
[10:41] <ShorTie> some form of usb addon i'd guess
[10:41] <ShorTie> i like wired over wifi personally
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[10:51] <AiGreek> Reddit is down or it's just me ?! https://www.reddit.com/r/raspberry_pi/new/
[10:51] <myself> http://isup.me/reddit.com
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[10:51] <myself> It's just you. http://reddit.com is up.
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[10:52] <AiGreek> hum ....
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[10:53] <ShorTie> 1st link worked for me
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[10:53] <AiGreek> yeah so it's just me :/
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[11:26] <niston> Mead: theres also plans on how to wire an ESP8266 to GPIO, which can be used on the Pi0 for WiFi without giving up the USB port
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[11:29] <myself> this absurdity: http://hackaday.com/2015/12/09/raspberry-pi-wifi-through-sdio/
[11:37] <Mead> ninton: how much through put can that achieve?
[11:37] <aib> PPP over UART also works :)
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[11:41] <Mead> the ESP8266 costs more than the pi zero :D
[11:43] <mgottschlag> no, it usually doesn't o.O
[11:44] <mgottschlag> and I think the maximum throughput is about 1MB/s
[11:44] <mgottschlag> usually, ESP8266 modules are ~2-3$
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[11:46] <Mead> well the first link I found via google is over charging
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[11:54] <[Saint]> WHat the heck is that using an an antenna?
[11:54] <[Saint]> Just....nothing?
[11:54] <[Saint]> I assume the kludge of wires around the protoboard acts as an "antenna" of sorts?
[11:56] <BurtyB> [Saint], either the pcb track or on the module it has a chip antenna
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[12:00] <ppq> the antenna is on/in the pcb. here's a version where you can actually see it https://cdn.sparkfun.com//assets/parts/1/1/1/2/9/13678-01.jpg
[12:00] <ppq> not much but it kind of works
[12:01] <ppq> if a few thousand bit/s are enough, that is
[12:02] <[Saint]> Ahhhh, I see.
[12:02] <[Saint]> Well, it's using SDIO, so I guess it could just use the traces itself without too much issue.
[12:03] <[Saint]> It's not like it's going to be fast or have much range no matter what one does.
[12:03] <[Saint]> lol
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[12:06] <Anoia> "Top place on the list of desiderata is probably a tie between audio out and WiFi connectivity."
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[12:07] <Anoia> but the standard one doesn;t have wifi...
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[12:15] <niston> Mead: with single bit IO he gets 20mbps
[12:17] <niston> full SDIO has 50mbps bandwidth afaik
[12:17] <Mead> both ways?
[12:18] <niston> yeah
[12:18] <Mead> is it half or full duplex?
[12:20] <niston> probably half, not sure though
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[12:31] <mgottschlag> Mead: 2-3$ is for slow shipping from china
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[12:31] <mgottschlag> locally, they'll cost a lot more
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[12:31] <mgottschlag> and the ESP8266 itself isn't very fast
[12:31] <niston> my ESPs from the chinas arrived in less than two weeks, though
[12:32] <mgottschlag> I am currently waiting almost 2 months already for some stuff atm :/
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[12:32] <Mead> so what is the best option to get a full duplex ethernevt connection?
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[12:32] <niston> [Saint]: btw, the thing that has printed "Rainsun" on it is actually the antenna
[12:33] <mgottschlag> Mead: how much speed do you need?
[12:34] <Mead> how much speed can I get? :P
[12:34] <niston> Mead: if you need fast, consider attaching an USB GigE adapter
[12:34] <niston> it'll be faster than the 100mbps ether on B/B+/2
[12:35] <Mead> isn't the usb port on the zero only usb 2.0?
[12:35] <BurtyB> yup
[12:35] <niston> Mead: yes there's only one data port on the Pi9
[12:35] <niston> Pi0
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[12:38] <Mead> what usb to ethernet adapters have drivers for the pi?
[12:39] <ppq> i have yet to see one that doesn't work on linux
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[12:39] <Mead> I see that as a challenge
[12:39] <ppq> :)
[12:41] <Mead> I know I have a old usb to ethernet adapter in a box of old parts, I'll challenge that idea when I find it
[12:41] <[Saint]> I don't even think it needs drivers.
[12:42] <[Saint]> IIUC the USB stack should have network passthrough automagically.
[12:42] <Mead> I know I couldn't find XP drivers for it back when I got it
[12:42] <[Saint]> Eth presented on USB should "Just Work"
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[12:42] <[Saint]> IFF its simple passthrough.
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[12:58] <Mead> rats I can't find it
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[13:01] <Mead> thus why I am asking about devices here, I wanna make sure to get the correct make and model
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[15:47] <zeno> Hi everybody. I am trying to get yocto with meta-raspberrypi to work. I can build basic images and I also managed to build the hello_triangle example. However, when I try to run this, nothing shows up on screen. When I boot with raspian on the other hand, the same binary shows the expected rotating cube. Does anybody know what this could be caused by?
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[15:50] <myself> zeno: do you perchance have a UART (console port) adapter you could use to watch the console port during boot?
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[15:51] <zeno> myself: nope, nothing alike unfortunately.
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[15:52] <myself> well, trouble is, there are about a zillion places it could go wrong. Can you link to the steps you're following to build the image and prepare the sd card?
[15:53] <zeno> myself: I am just trying to get egl/gles to work in "simple" fullscreen mode. I expected the examples to work more or less out of the box. And well, they do if i use raspbian instead of my yocto image. But... now i don't really know where to start looking.
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[15:53] <abnormal> BurtyB what brand and model were the usb nics?
[15:54] <zeno> myself: mostly this http://git.yoctoproject.org/cgit/cgit.cgi/meta-raspberrypi/about/
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[15:56] <zeno> myself: this does however not build the examples, so i hacked together a small recipe to build the hello_triangle example. I also added vc-graphics to the dependencies in core-image-minimal
[15:56] <myself> zeno: well you're over my head, I don't even see the bit where you write the bootable parts to the sd card. That's ordinarily where I'd look for problems but you're playing a whole different level.
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[15:58] <zeno> I am basically wondering, has anybody in here gotten egl/gles2 to work with yocto/meta-raspberrypi ?
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[16:03] <myself> I've never heard any of those words mentioned in here. :P
[16:04] <zeno> I see... i guess i am trying something exotic then, after all.
[16:06] <myself> Or you're talking about software stunts in a mostly-hardware channel? I dunno, we spend most of our time explaining to noobs that if their board reboots itself partway through booting, they should get a bigger power supply.
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[16:08] <zeno> myself: it might be not the right place to ask, i guess. Well... thanks a lot for your help anyway! :)
[16:09] <myself> zeno: Are you trying to add/change files on a card that's already known to boot, or are you building a new card image completely from blank?
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[16:10] <zeno> myself: my system is booting correctly from card. Even though, i am not booting from the card anymore. I figured, booting from NFS is easier if you reboot often... trying different images etc.
[16:11] <myself> aha! So you can see the file accesses happening across the network and you're certain it's not getting hung up at that stage..
[16:11] <myself> Then can you insert some hooks that send network traffic (say....syslog?) so you can see what's happening before the display comes up?
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[16:11] <zeno> myself: the system boots just fine. I have a screen attached where i can see the 4 raspberries, and the login prompt etc.
[16:11] <myself> Oh.
[16:11] <zeno> i can login
[16:11] <zeno> that all just works fine
[16:11] <myself> I saw "nothing shows up on screen" and thought it never booted.
[16:12] <myself> back in your original question.
[16:12] <zeno> "nothing shows up on screen" when starting the egl/gles example hello_triangle. Which as far as i understand is an example that is shipped with the firmware.
[16:12] <myself> After you've logged in, the display is up, you interactively run a thing, and nothing happens.
[16:12] <zeno> yeah... sorry. That might have been misleading.
[16:12] <zeno> yes
[16:12] <myself> Then I officially have no idea. I thought it was a boot problem, sorry.
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[16:13] <zeno> nope... i think it's a driver problem or so.
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[16:13] <zeno> but well... i'll keep trying. I guess i'll figure it out eventually.
[16:13] <TrekBike> zeno: Is it an HDMI display or a small LCD?
[16:14] <zeno> a small LCD
[16:14] <zeno> TrekBike: ^
[16:14] <zeno> hm... could be i'm somehow selecting the wrong display?
[16:14] <TrekBike> I wonder if you also have something on the HDMI port and the actions you are taking are actually happening there
[16:14] <TrekBike> Thats what I'm guessing
[16:15] <zeno> nothing connected
[16:15] <TrekBike> Cause the RPi boots to a graphical environment by default, unless you changed it
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[16:16] <zeno> TrekBike: well, as i wrote previously... the login shows up. if i build the core-image-x11, x11 does show up as well. So in fact, this is unlikely
[16:16] <TrekBike> Just a thought
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[16:19] <grindhold> re
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[16:32] <abnormal> ro
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[16:42] <Tenkawa> hi all
[16:42] <Tenkawa> hi all
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[16:42] <Tenkawa> Any of you got the non-rc 4.4 kernel running on your pi2 or zero yet?
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[16:43] <Tenkawa> any gotchas to watch out for?
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[16:46] <abnormal> beats me... I don't get that deep in the pi's....
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[16:46] <Tenkawa> abnormal: awww why not?
[16:46] <Tenkawa> its fun
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[16:47] <abnormal> I know.. but my brain is limited... not as gifted as the rest of you are
[16:47] <Tenkawa> it just takes time and practice
[16:47] <Tenkawa> in my opiion
[16:47] <Tenkawa> er opinion
[16:47] <abnormal> true...
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[16:48] <Tenkawa> I've been working on this stuff so long i cant count how many different architectures, etc I've used
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[16:50] <abnormal> http://lifehacker.com/power-a-raspberry-pi-zero-over-ethernet-1752284809
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[16:52] <Apocx> final device is the same size as a regular pi. :P
[16:53] <Apocx> pretty neat though
[16:53] <myself> aka "how to do something mundane but put the word raspberry in it and watch people fall over themselves"
[16:54] <Apocx> it's the Pi Zero fever
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[16:54] <gordonDrogon> Tenkawa, using whatever kernel the foundation publish here - 4.1 ...
[16:54] <Tenkawa> gordonDrogon: I'm using that one too "currently"
[16:54] <Tenkawa> I intend to try to get it to 4.4 when it can
[16:55] <gordonDrogon> I gave up compiling my own kernels a few years ago. too hard to keep up when there's no real need.
[16:55] <gordonDrogon> why?
[16:55] <gordonDrogon> what's in 4.4 that you really need?
[16:55] <gordonDrogon> (or maybe I'm just getting old ;-)
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[16:56] <Tenkawa> gordonDrogon: who said need... I develop and tinker.. its what I do
[16:56] <Tenkawa> its also fun
[16:56] <gordonDrogon> I used to think that too.
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[16:57] <Tenkawa> gordonDrogon: I've been doing this since the late 70's and still enjoying it more and more... I really like the embedded/small devices.. especially arm and mips
[16:57] <Tenkawa> this notebook is an arm box even heheheh
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[17:02] <gordonDrogon> Tenkawa, yes, I've been into this stuff since the late 70's too.
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[17:03] <Tenkawa> gordonDrogon: I've finally found something i can really enjoy again
[17:04] <Tenkawa> not much going on in the job market here with it however for my own uses, hobby, etc its been great
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[17:04] <gordonDrogon> I'm semi-retired...
[17:04] <Tenkawa> I might have convinced a few entities to start researching
[17:04] <Tenkawa> gordonDrogon: I am too... sorta
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[17:06] <gordonDrogon> trouble is... other things come along and what was a hobby a few years back is now a part-time job and it's not IT ...
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[17:16] <curioussteve> I need to use an infrared camera to detect street lanes, recognize/interpret the images in real time, thus adjusting a miniature car's movement (steering and drive)
[17:16] <curioussteve> Where do you recommend i start?
[17:16] <traeak> hehe
[17:17] <traeak> image processing toolkit..what's that called again?
[17:17] <Apocx> OpenCV?
[17:17] <traeak> yeah
[17:17] <traeak> it has problems with subpixel precision stuff and the code is clearly academic quality but it should work for approximation type stuff
[17:18] <traeak> and other stuff too
[17:18] <curioussteve> Thank you traeak
[17:18] <traeak> :-p
[17:18] <methuzla> why infrared?
[17:18] <curioussteve> How about learning from scratch about raspberryPi development
[17:18] <curioussteve> methuzla: What alternative are you proposing?
[17:18] <curioussteve> methuzla: I might be stuck with infrared
[17:19] <traeak> the lines are highly reflective in teh IR band ?
[17:19] <methuzla> just regular visible
[17:19] <methuzla> or is there a reason detection is easier in the infrared?
[17:19] <traeak> hopefully they have very clear contrast in the IR band or else there might be trouble as usual
[17:20] <curioussteve> I'll keep that in mind :)
[17:20] <traeak> the only reason why i say this is that i have some small expertise in pulling highway line separators out of images synthesized from mobile lidar data
[17:20] <curioussteve> traeak: I am unsure of the motive behind the requirement
[17:20] <curioussteve> mobile lidar data?
[17:20] <methuzla> i don't know myself, i was just curious
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[17:21] <traeak> precision measurement off damn street lines sucks...i had to hack up some wierd new algorithm for matching at that level
[17:21] <curioussteve> hehe
[17:21] <traeak> yeah, mobile lidar... stuff like this: http://www.riegl.com/nc/products/mobile-scanning/
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[17:22] <traeak> all this fell through...we were turning processing around in a half day and making it so the crews didnt' have to run their survey equipment on the side of the highway, but the engineering companies were mad because they wanted to charge 4months of manual labor
[17:22] <traeak> and labor for collecting measurements roadside
[17:23] <methuzla> curioussteve for recommendations of pi development, need to be more specific about what aspects
[17:23] <curioussteve> hahaha
[17:23] <traeak> didn't give a shit that surveyors were getting run over on the highway and killed (which happenedd during our protytpe work)
[17:23] <curioussteve> methuzla: i have no idea. Consider me a baby
[17:23] <curioussteve> methuzla: basically i need to make a self driving miniature car
[17:23] <methuzla> do you know linux?
[17:23] <curioussteve> methuzla: which is able to keep it's lane, avoid obstacles and park
[17:23] <traeak> how many sensors?
[17:23] <curioussteve> methuzla: very little
[17:24] <traeak> depth of field?
[17:24] <methuzla> what programming languages do you know?
[17:24] <curioussteve> traeak: I only know about the camera
[17:24] <curioussteve> methuzla: i've done java, php, node.js, erlang
[17:24] <traeak> an IR only camera won't give you any depth of field
[17:25] <traeak> probaly do some reading on what people are typically using for this
[17:25] <traeak> but regarding performance
[17:25] <traeak> you might be forced into c++
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[17:25] <curioussteve> traeak: i don't have the specifics on what hardware i have apart from "a camera and a raspberrypi board"
[17:25] <traeak> what res is the camera?
[17:25] <curioussteve> traeak: Okay
[17:25] <curioussteve> traeak: no idea, probably not that good
[17:26] <traeak> it may not have to be that good
[17:27] <curioussteve> So C++...
[17:28] <curioussteve> what else can i do to be more prepared
[17:28] <curioussteve> until i get the hardware or at least any specs
[17:29] <traeak> for doing precision countertop measurement stuff (phototop) we foudn that 3megapixels we could get sub mm measurements on waviness of walls.
[17:29] <traeak> http://lh6.ggpht.com/_KgaajG2uzGQ/S4gvfrBrLSI/AAAAAAAADM4/omtTpFnT8lo/Cambria%202_thumb%5B1%5D.jpg
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[17:29] <Tenkawa> Bilby: hey.. .how about this weather??
[17:29] <traeak> we sold that software...just checking if they still use it :-p
[17:29] <curioussteve> Do you think the board will handle the processing? Or should i send the data off to a server?
[17:29] <traeak> so for finding simple stuff a 1MP would even be sufficient at close range
[17:29] <curioussteve> traeak: nice
[17:30] <traeak> no reason not to try the rpi2
[17:30] <traeak> rpi? questionable. rpi2 ? maybe depending
[17:30] <Bilby> Tenkawa: I know right, crazy pants
[17:30] <Tenkawa> indeed
[17:30] <Bilby> halfway through january and finally snow
[17:31] <traeak> let me ask my partner if trimble has done much with the rpi
[17:31] <methuzla> curioussteve google it a bit, "opencv on pi" or some such, there are various projects out there
[17:31] <Tenkawa> and it s sunny over here atm
[17:31] <Tenkawa> and snowing
[17:31] <Tenkawa> hehehh
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[17:31] <methuzla> curioussteve face detection, a self balancing robot, cat trackers, etc.
[17:31] <traeak> yeah
[17:31] <traeak> the self parking thing sounds like a hard problem to me
[17:31] <curioussteve> what's behind etc. ? :D
[17:31] <traeak> as in parallel parking
[17:32] <Tenkawa> So any of you got a pi zero yet and not been impressed?
[17:33] <yoosi> I have
[17:33] <yoosi> One issue
[17:33] <Tenkawa> oh?
[17:33] <yoosi> The HDMI port doesn't work properly
[17:33] <Apocx> I got a Pi Zero and haven't even booted it up.
[17:33] <Tenkawa> really?
[17:33] <Tenkawa> odd...
[17:33] <yoosi> Yes. I'll link to my findings
[17:33] <yoosi> One sec
[17:33] <Tenkawa> thanks. I'd like to read
[17:33] <Tenkawa> had no problems here
[17:34] <Bilby> Tenkawa I have a zero, not even out of the package yet :|
[17:34] <Bilby> I bought it because shiny though haha
[17:34] <Apocx> Same
[17:34] <yoosi> https://www.reddit.com/r/raspberry_pi/comments/40ctc7/its_a_good_thing_this_pi_zero_will_run_headless/
[17:34] <Apocx> I have no actual use for it currently
[17:34] <Apocx> One day though!
[17:34] <Tenkawa> Bilby: I want at least a half dozen more of them
[17:34] <Bilby> bought the zero and then immediately started using my model B for another project :P
[17:34] <Apocx> Same here :D
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[17:34] <Tenkawa> they are working great for compiling and as aggregation points
[17:35] <yoosi> Tenkawa: See the link above ^
[17:35] <curioussteve> Tenkawa: aggregation points?
[17:35] <Tenkawa> yoosi: reading
[17:35] <Tenkawa> curioussteve: I use one as a pseudo kvm to all my other ssh hosts
[17:36] <curioussteve> i see
[17:37] <Tenkawa> yoosi: interesting
[17:37] <Tenkawa> there is a lot that can impact hdmi output though
[17:38] <Tenkawa> those boot settings i have seen do crazy things
[17:38] <Tenkawa> yoosi: how much amperage do you give your pi?
[17:38] <Tenkawa> and whats it clocked at?
[17:38] <Tenkawa> I didnt see that specificly listed
[17:39] <Tenkawa> (mind you i had to read it through lynx since I am in console mode)
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[17:40] <Apocx> GPIO 8 is HIGH on boot yes? So if I wanted to control a device that needed an active LOW signal, GPIO 8 would be the best pin to use to avoid unintended activation.
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[17:42] <Tenkawa> uggh this snow wont stop
[17:43] <sesquipedalian> snow is gud ^_^
[17:43] <Tenkawa> uggh
[17:43] <gordonDrogon> Apocx, not neccessarily.
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[17:43] <Apocx> would it be better to use my own physical pull up?
[17:43] <gordonDrogon> yes.
[17:44] <Apocx> alright will do, thanks
[17:44] <gordonDrogon> if not using I2C, the 2 I2C pins have on-board 1K8 pullups.
[17:44] <Apocx> nope not using i2c
[17:44] <yoosi> Tenkawa: That Pi is using a 5V 2A supply
[17:45] <yoosi> The same supply works great on my Pi 2B
[17:45] <Tenkawa> do you use hdmi safe mode or not?
[17:46] <gordonDrogon> Apocx, in-theory, using the device tree, you can pre-set pins and pull-up/down resistors - however there is a few milliseconds delay in that being actioned after power on. If it's anything at all critical it's best to make sure using external circuitry.
[17:46] <yoosi> Tenkawa: I'm not familiar with the term
[17:46] <Tenkawa> yoosi: look in the config.txt
[17:46] <Apocx> alright, will do. I could probably get away with a software solution but I'll just add a physical pull up to be safe
[17:46] <Tenkawa> theres some hdmi settings in there i think
[17:47] <yoosi> Reading up on the documentation now. This looks promisign
[17:47] <Tenkawa> cool
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[17:48] <Tenkawa> I'm just glad to have everything now on arm or mips
[17:48] <yoosi> I'll test when I get home. I do have two more Pi Zeros on the way. I suspect I got a lemon. I'll know for sure when they arrive
[17:48] <yoosi> ]['
[17:48] <Tenkawa> heheheh
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[17:49] <yoosi> I believe it's the port because the cable also wiggles a bit in it
[17:49] <yoosi> And the distortion on the screen changes a bit
[17:50] <Tenkawa> I had a ci20 box come with a bad power port so it can happen in fabrication
[17:50] <yoosi> I also have more miniHDMI adapters on teh way as well so I can check that too
[17:50] <Tenkawa> i could tap the port with a finger and it would lose power
[17:51] <yoosi> Yeah
[17:51] <yoosi> With a product I got free on a magazine cover it's not like I'd even RMA it anyways
[17:52] <yoosi> And this Pi Zero will run headless so it's moot
[17:53] <yoosi> Still, it's been a frustrating first impression
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[17:53] <Tenkawa> bbiaf.. need to reset
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[18:28] <Habbie> question from a friend who is not near IRC right now
[18:28] <Habbie> rjek: Does anybody know if the RPi 40-pin header can have I2S in at the same time as I2S out? [http://twitter.com/rjek/status/686961567859142657]
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[18:31] <b00s3d> hello guys :)
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[18:33] <b00s3d> is there a Command Line interface for raspberry pi, which does not include any desktop environment or any other extra software ?
[18:33] <b00s3d> just like debian
[18:33] <lupinedk> SSH?
[18:33] <lupinedk> and Bash
[18:33] <lupinedk> its enabled at default
[18:33] <gordonDrogon> b00s3d, raspbian is more or less debian.
[18:33] <b00s3d> yes ikr, but it comes
[18:34] <b00s3d> with a lot of fancy stuff
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[18:34] <b00s3d> i need the most basic you got
[18:34] <lupinedk> raspbian lite
[18:34] <lupinedk> https://www.raspberrypi.org/downloads/raspbian/
[18:34] <gordonDrogon> if youre Pi is booting to the desktop, then you can disable it - just run sudo raspi-config
[18:35] <b00s3d> non of these would do it?: https://www.debian.org/distrib/netinst
[18:36] <b00s3d> so whats lite?
[18:36] <gordonDrogon> probably best to go for raspbian from the raspberrypi.org website.
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[18:40] <methuzla> per link provided, lite is "Minimal image based on Debian Jessie"
[18:41] <methuzla> so, no desktop and minimal "extra" software
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[18:43] <yoosi> Tenkawa never returned. RIP
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[18:44] <gsora> the raspi zeeo has been shipped, today was a good day! o/
[18:45] <BurtyB> :)
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[18:45] <gsora> how many do you have? :P
[18:46] <BurtyB> um err not enough ;) (a couple)
[18:48] <gsora> lucky you! any case advice?
[18:48] <myself> Heatshrink.
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[18:56] <gsora> ghetto heatshrink case? lol
[18:56] <yoosi> I'm using an old pill container at the moment
[18:56] <yoosi> When I get my angled USB cables I'll use an old Apple mouse
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[18:57] <myself> I heatshrink anything that needs to not short out on adjacent things. Whether that's wire splices, or connectors, or entire boards/modules.
[18:57] <yoosi> I should by some heatshrink
[18:58] <yoosi> https://goo.gl/photos/xnVtowfbB5YN1EUd8
[18:58] <myself> I have heatshrink small enough to fit over 22AWG solid but not 18AWG solid, and heatshrink large enough to fit over my arm or half my leg. It's a concept that works at many scales.
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[18:59] <TheLostAdmin> Why would you heat-shrink your arm? Wouldn't that hurt?
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[19:00] <yoosi> myself: Upload a pic of your heat-shrinked PiZero
[19:01] <myself> I don't own a pi zero, but let me see what I have handy.
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[19:03] <myself> Apparently I don't take as many pictures as I used to.
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[19:29] <PCatinean> Greetings everyone!
[19:30] <shiftplusone> Hey
[19:31] <PCatinean> I've been pondering to start a home-automation program and not sure what to choose between raspberry-pi and arduino.Not sure if it's a or choice not sre so far
[19:31] <PCatinean> All I know is that I love python and I've read that raspberry pi works with python while arduino with some JAVA like programming language
[19:31] <PCatinean> also that arduino is a micro-controller itself while raspberry-pi needs a controller attached to it
[19:31] <shiftplusone> C, not java
[19:31] <PCatinean> amd I right?
[19:32] <PCatinean> ah C, yeah, that makes sense since I've seen a few screens
[19:32] <ali1234> arduino is C++
[19:32] <shiftplusone> raspberry pi does not need a controller attached, unless you need to do real-time tasks or something along those lines.
[19:32] <ali1234> which could be considered a java-like language
[19:32] <mechwarrior90> a mega2560 will do the trick.. has several interupts.. and c++ is very fun
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[19:33] <PCatinean> shiftplusone, home automation like reading data from sensors and activating certain appliances?
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[19:34] <PCatinean> ali1234, roger :D
[19:34] <shiftplusone> PCatinean: you can use both. Pi will give you a lot more power so you could run a web server and control everything from a web page, for example. I don't know, it's hard to compare. Either or both will work great, but the outcome will be quite different depending on what you choose.
[19:34] <shiftplusone> and of course there's python
[19:34] <shiftplusone> but you can use any language you like on the pi
[19:34] <PCatinean> I am very inclined towards raspberry since I can install ubuntu and use python which I have pretty vast experience of
[19:34] <PCatinean> And very flexible
[19:35] <shiftplusone> if you want more support, I'd recommend sticking to raspbian for now.
[19:35] <PCatinean> Was just curious of the controllers and hardware you can activate with it
[19:35] <shiftplusone> PCatinean: take a look at the GPIO header and what's available there.
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[19:36] <shiftplusone> http://pinout.xyz/
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[19:36] <shiftplusone> The ones to note are I2C, 1-wire and SPI, that will cover most of your sensors
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[19:37] <PCatinean> hmm le6t me se
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[19:37] <PCatinean> I have 0 experience in electronics unfortunately
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[19:37] <shiftplusone> Then if you need to activate relays, things get a little trickier, since you'll need additional hardware. There are plenty of relay boards for the pi out there, but you could also make your own quite easily.
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[19:41] <PCatinean> So no reason to head to arduino in this case since it would require the same extension as well I assume
[19:41] <TrekBike> Each tool has pros and cons
[19:41] <shiftplusone> I'd recommend having both to play around with
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[19:41] <TrekBike> you need to pick the right tool for what you want to do. Some arduinos can be head incredibly cheaply.
[19:41] <PCatinean> yeah was curious about that, to be sure I start on the right track
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[19:41] <PCatinean> Price is not that important since I imagine they don't cost a fortune
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[19:42] <TrekBike> $35 for an RPi doesn't seem like a lot at first, but if you burn them up cause you wired something wrong or you need to start putting a lotof them in, it adds up.
[19:42] <PCatinean> Home automation would be ideal, measuring temperature, himidity, activating closing doors, opening locks via app etc
[19:42] <PCatinean> TrekBike, that's something I did not take into account, you have a good point
[19:42] <PCatinean> and me being a rookie, it's very possible ti might happen
[19:42] <TrekBike> What you probably really want is an RPi controller talking to the Arduinos to do the work.
[19:43] <PCatinean> that's where I wanted to end up, do I need to arduino to work with RPi or could the RPi do it all on his own
[19:43] <PCatinean> I initially had the same idea, that you need RPi to give the commands and Arduino executes the hardware
[19:44] <TrekBike> The RPi does have the same types of IO pins as the arduinos. But the arduinos can be much smaller and cheaper.
[19:44] <TrekBike> When you start talking about home automation, the hardest part is embedding the devices so that it doesn't look like you have wires hanging out all over the place.
[19:44] <PCatinean> That is indeed of the main concerns yes
[19:45] <PCatinean> A cobweb or wires is not sexy
[19:45] <TrekBike> There are some arduinos that can be powered off coin cell batteries easily.
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[19:45] <PCatinean> Wonder how much they last
[19:45] <PCatinean> But having them on batteries is risky.THough a failsafe system must be built either way
[19:45] <myself> That's a software question :P
[19:45] <TrekBike> That I can't answer. It will depend on what peripherals are attached.
[19:46] <TrekBike> How often you poll the peripherals
[19:46] <PCatinean> I think there is no cooler thing to do with programming than this
[19:46] <TrekBike> There are some wireless power solutions. I think seeedstudio sells them
[19:46] <PCatinean> Maybe it can start of with a ugly dyi hanging wires and on the next home just embed the wires to make it sharp
[19:47] <TrekBike> I built my home 4 years ago. I wish I had put in far more CAT5 then I did. Retrofitting the stuff in will be tough.
[19:47] <TrekBike> I also wish the RPi could be powered by PoE.
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[19:47] <PCatinean> what are CAT5's? :O
[19:48] <PCatinean> I have to learn the terminology obviously
[19:48] <PCatinean> What did your home include in the project TrekBike ?
[19:48] <TrekBike> Oh you were serious? CAT5 is the ethernet cabling.
[19:48] <Berg> hello world
[19:49] <Berg> use wiki the cable is a pain
[19:49] <Berg> :)
[19:49] <TrekBike> 4/2/2 2100sf, CAT5 in every bedroom that can be either phone or data. (I wish the builder had wired it properly into the Leviton box.)
[19:50] <TrekBike> I need to reterminate everything into the leviton box properly but being color blind its hard.
[19:50] <gordonDrogon> re. arduinos (ATmega) off coin cells... I had one last 2 years off a small coin cell. Would obviously have gone longer with a bigger one...
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[19:50] <TrekBike> I can't tell the differenec between the red, green, orange, and tellow stripes on the CAT5 cable.
[19:50] <gordonDrogon> the real issue is doing something - as almost anything running off the coin cell will deplete it in minutes...
[19:52] <PCatinean> TrekBike, daltonism?
[19:52] <gordonDrogon> TrekBike, it doesn't matter if you're wiring your own as the 4 pairs are twisted - you just need to make sure you use the same wires in the same order at each end if making your own cables - tricky, but not impossible using a tester. re-terminating one end of an existing cable will be harder...
[19:53] <TrekBike> gordanDragon: I don't want to terminate both ends. The ends in the bedrooms are already terminated. I just want to fix the ends in the leviton box.
[19:53] <gordonDrogon> right. harder.
[19:53] <TrekBike> So I'd need to be able to see the colors that they currently are, and then punch them down corresponding to how the builder wired it up.
[19:54] <gordonDrogon> there is a device often called a "tone" which is used by telephone engineers - you clip it to one wire and the remote probe can identify that one wire in a bundle by making a tone...
[19:54] <TrekBike> Its one of those things I should have checked during the walk through but didn't bring a screwdriver with me to open the box.
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[19:54] <TrekBike> yeah I've used tone kits, cable testers, all that stuff
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[19:54] <gordonDrogon> ok
[19:55] <TrekBike> I ran ethernet and coax throught a 3 story 100+ year old school building.
[19:55] <gordonDrogon> the alternative is to see if there's a local hackspace and bribe someone to come out & do it for you :-)
[19:55] <TrekBike> Bribe my friend that teaches electrical and ac.
[19:56] <gordonDrogon> cake often works :)
[19:56] <gordonDrogon> well, works for me ...
[19:56] <TrekBike> Steak and beer works too
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[20:06] <Tenkawa> darnit I need a few more pi zeros
[20:07] <PCatinean> This is what i'm talking about: https://youtu.be/RjTj0ymhbBw
[20:07] <PCatinean> :D
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[20:09] <TrekBike> 5:00 can't come soon enough.
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[20:11] <miko> I got a new rpi zero. I confused power and usb. Now it doesn't do anything, no video, no led
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[20:12] <miko> I guess it should, just like the first pi show this rgb cube on startup, even without a sd card, right?
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[20:14] <PCatinean> TrekBike, what do you think about the video I posted, does it use arduino, RPi or both?
[20:16] <TrekBike> let me look
[20:16] <gordonDrogon> miko, you can power it over either usb socket.
[20:16] <gordonDrogon> miko, it needs the SD card to show the RGB cube.
[20:17] <TrekBike> I would guess that is probably done with ZWave
[20:17] <Apocx> neat home automation video. but defeats the purpose IMO if you have to press a button to issue voice commands
[20:18] <miko> So, at least it's not unlikely I broke it. Will any sd card do, or does I have to be correctly formated in order to show the cube?
[20:18] <TrekBike> I saw something somewhere where they used that google or amazon echo for voice processing and tied to arduinos
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[20:18] <Apocx> that's what I'd do
[20:18] <Apocx> use Echo or something to run it
[20:18] <Apocx> then you can just say "Alexa/Echo, Lights"
[20:18] <Apocx> whatever name it goes by
[20:19] <TrekBike> You can make your phone listen to Ok Google or Siri
[20:19] <gordonDrogon> miko, you need it to have some sort of OS on it. noobs or raspbian for example.
[20:19] <Apocx> I'd rather the listening device be external somewhere in the room personally
[20:20] <gordonDrogon> call me old fashioned .... I prefer buttons on the wall and a decent remote.
[20:20] <TrekBike> I'd rather the voice processing occur in my house, not externally.
[20:20] <gordonDrogon> too much reliance on "stuff".
[20:20] <miko> Is the ACT led supposed to flash?
[20:20] <Apocx> I wouldn't mind voice activation so long as the voice activation doesn't also require buttons
[20:20] <TrekBike> It would be handy when I am carrying my kid to his room (hes a baby) to be able to say "Lights" and have the lights come on.
[20:20] <Apocx> Cause that kind of defeats the point
[20:21] <gordonDrogon> miko, the green LED will flash on SD card access.
[20:21] <gordonDrogon> miko, put one in and see...
[20:21] <miko> That doesn't happen
[20:21] <gordonDrogon> TrekBike, PIR plus daylight sensor (& time of day?)
[20:22] <gordonDrogon> miko, it might need an OS though - the LED is normally controlled by the OS.
[20:22] <TrekBike> gordon: Maybe that would work, but not very flexible.
[20:23] <miko> Ok. I currently loading the reaspberian image again, maybe the os was just broken.
[20:24] <PCatinean> Zwave, hmmm
[20:24] <PCatinean> I am not sure where one comes and the other goes
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[20:37] <TrekBike> They are talking about an emergency OPEC meeting since most OPEC countries are seeing their economies crushed by cheap oil
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[20:41] <sesquipedalian> I wonder what kind of battery life I could get with a rasp pi zero acting only as a device to ssh to within networks
[20:42] <TrekBike> Depends on the size of the battery
[20:42] * ozzzy has a few deep-cycle marine batteries that would probably run the zero for a year
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[20:44] * Ezriilc finds large batteries quite sexy.
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[20:45] <myself> I like big batts and I cannot lie..
[20:46] <TrekBike> Can probably run a RPi Zero off a Tesla PowerWall until the day you die.
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[20:47] <Ezriilc> HA! lol'd at that, myself
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[20:47] <myself> I thought that's where you were going with it!
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[20:48] <Ezriilc> And large caps too - buzzing with charge. I can't rap, but there's gold there somewhere.
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[20:52] <TrekBike> Does anyone have any experience with ultra-capacitors?
[20:53] <miko> Kind of.
[20:53] <Ezriilc> I've never heard that term, and allegedly I'm an electrician.
[20:54] <miko> The thing is their voltage changes, you need a step-up or a step-down converter
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[20:54] <miko> Ezriilc, they are quite new. Capacitotros with Farads or even KiloFarads capacity
[20:54] <Tenkawa> miko: wow..
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[20:55] <Tenkawa> kilofarads? nice
[20:55] <TrekBike> I was ready some of the product pages on SparkFun. I know they don't have the energy density of even alkaline batteries, but I can't figur eout how to compare them to batteres.
[20:55] <Ezriilc> I was military trained in EEE many moons ago, but I don't work in the field.
[20:56] <miko> Tenkawa But they are not exatly capacitors. They are more a hybrit between a capacitor and a recarable battery, as some of the carge is stored in chemcial compounds
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[20:57] <Ezriilc> True, but as the tech improves, the line between a "battery" and a "capacitor" is bound to blur more and more.
[20:57] <miko> They are much slower and can't deliver that high currents.
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[20:57] <Tenkawa> ahhh
[20:57] <miko> But if you want to power a pi with that you don't need that anyway
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[20:59] <Tenkawa> hopefully quick q so i dont need to go try to track down the pic.. which gpio ping are the tx, rx and power on the pi2? for uart console
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[21:00] <Tenkawa> er pins
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[21:02] <sesquipedalian> lxde on rasbian isn't actually so bad. I dont even need a mouse or keyboard attached to the pi anymore.
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[21:02] <Tenkawa> found it
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[21:03] <sesquipedalian> I am still going to go full basement dweller and install arch on it though
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[21:08] <miko> So the Pi Zero has the same SoC as the revision 1, so a OS that works on the one should work on the zero, too, right?
[21:08] <kookie> should
[21:09] <kookie> install noobs and try any OS in noobs and see what happens
[21:09] <t3chguy> Old kernels won't work with the Zero
[21:10] <t3chguy> That includes NOOBS. And is due to the OTG port
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[21:10] <kookie> otherwise go to raspberrypi.org and look in forums
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[21:12] <miko> I have a plan9 image that works with my revision 1, but not with my zero. It just doesn't do anything. I just thought my pi was borken (as I never used it before), but raspberian boots.
[21:13] <t3chguy> Tenkawa: http://pinout.xyz for next time
[21:13] <Tenkawa> meh i just saved the pic
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[21:23] <Tenkawa> ttl to usb serial cables are so handy :)
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[21:23] <ppq> indeed.. if the voltage is right
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[21:24] <Tenkawa> ppq: i havent ran into that
[21:25] <ppq> i did, 12 V vs 3.3 V
[21:25] <ppq> luckily nothing broke
[21:25] <Tenkawa> oucg
[21:25] <Tenkawa> er ouch
[21:25] <Tenkawa> not the cable's doing....
[21:26] <Tenkawa> not by itself anyway
[21:26] <Tenkawa> heehee
[21:26] <ppq> :)
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[21:37] <Tenkawa> uggh i dont like this new device naming scheme
[21:37] <Tenkawa> wlx and enx... thank goodness i can create my own udev rules
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[22:26] <Tenkawa> wow it got quiet
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[22:32] <BurtyB> yup
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[22:38] <ppq> it gets late in europe
[22:38] <Tenkawa> true
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[22:53] <gordonDrogon> almost bed-time late here...
[22:56] <sesquipedalian> so since my pi wont be using a keyboard or mouse. if it needs to connect to a new wifi network I was thinking of a script that runs whenever a flash drive is plugged in and it looks for a very specific .txt file on the drive containing the SSID and pass and tries to use them
[22:57] <sesquipedalian> sounds like a lot of work though. any easier ideas?
[22:57] <gordonDrogon> is this a separate flash drive for many different networks?
[22:57] <deshipu> sesquipedalian: just edit the /etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf file on the flash?
[22:57] <deshipu> on the sd card, I mean
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[22:58] <sesquipedalian> deshipu: how do you do this without ssh connection no wifi connection and no wired connection
[22:58] <myself> sesquipedalian: I think the ibox nano printer uses that exact technique, you drop a wpa_supplicant.conf on the sd card and the machine inhales it at boot time
[22:58] <gordonDrogon> sounds like the issue is that he can't access the Pi via keyboard+screen...
[22:58] <myself> might look at their code to see how the inhaling is done
[22:58] <deshipu> sesquipedalian: inser the card into sd card reader, insert the card reader into a PC
[22:59] <jsgrant> Does Raspian support the first RPi still? I want to set it up as a little homeserver on it.
[22:59] <deshipu> sesquipedalian: same as how you created the sd card from the system image in thefirst place
[22:59] <deshipu> jsgrant: yes
[22:59] <jsgrant> deshipu: Nice, thanks.
[22:59] <deshipu> jsgrant: if it's windows, you might need a driver to read ext4 filesystem
[23:00] <deshipu> jsgrant: or you could copy the file to /boot and create a symlink to it in /etc
[23:00] <sesquipedalian> deshipu: that would work in situations where the pi can be restarted at any time.
[23:00] <deshipu> /boot is vfat
[23:00] <jsgrant> I'm on Linux.
[23:01] <sesquipedalian> these things are addicting. I have 4 more pi 2s I still need to setup >_<.
[23:01] <sesquipedalian> anyone here put archlinux arm on one yet?
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[23:01] * jsgrant wonders if it's worth getting a big SD card (getting the "Lite" version, but the card is still only 2gb or just having it boot from an external HD.
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[23:02] <deshipu> sesquipedalian: I did
[23:03] <deshipu> sesquipedalian: but didn't do much with it -- it booted, didn't see the wifi dongle, so at this point I lost interest
[23:04] <deshipu> it's winter, I'm low on motivation
[23:04] <deshipu> jsgrant: I'm using the raspbian lite on 2GB sd card just fine
[23:04] <ppq> sesquipedalian, regarding your wifi conf idea, sounds workable. you can use udev to detect a certain usb drive (by its serial for example) and execute a script where you mount it, scan it for the file and set up wifi
[23:05] <ppq> sesquipedalian, i think setting up wifi with wpa_supplicant is the hardest part in this endeavour
[23:05] <jsgrant> deshipu: On the RPi1? How's streaming media, if you've tried?
[23:06] <jsgrant> I'm using a RPI2 with OSMC, as a htpc that I plan to stream to amongst other things. :^P
[23:06] <deshipu> jsgrant: well, A+, but it's pretty much the same, haven't tried with streaming yet
[23:06] <normalra> Trying out ethernet on the Pi Zero. I'm getting mere 480 KB/s. Is this expected throughoutput? It's no 10Mbit ethernet, but it ain't serial neither :/
[23:07] <deshipu> I will need to put a webcam on my robot as some point, I suppose
[23:07] <ShorTie> don't think you can stream HD video
[23:07] <deshipu> normalra: how? bit-banged on the gpios?
[23:07] * jsgrant will TIAS, but might just end up buying another RPi2 at some point.
[23:08] <jsgrant> Or, maybe just see if I can handle setting up everything via just OSMC on the RPi2.
[23:08] <normalra> deshipu: it's over USB otg :)
[23:08] <deshipu> figures
[23:08] <jsgrant> Then I wouldn't have to do any streaming, or smiilar.
[23:08] <deshipu> normalra: ah, that usb gadget thing?
[23:09] <jsgrant> But I don't want this RPi1 just sitting around, yet not sure what to do with it.
[23:09] <deshipu> jsgrant: a robot!
[23:09] <deshipu> jsgrant: and kill all humans
[23:09] <normalra> deshipu: yeah, managed to get it working. finally i can leave uart to rest :D
[23:10] <jsgrant> deshipu: I was considering trying some sort of lower-level hardware project with it, but I'm not really sure if it's worth the effort all and all.
[23:10] <BurtyB> normalra, that's not what I'd expect or what I get - iperf shows 101 Mbits/sec for me (with g_cdc)
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[23:12] <ppq> if you don't know what to do with leftover pi (haha) buy a broken ibm thinkpad, one of the real old ones like 600E with indestructable cases and the keyboard of your wet dreams, and make it a pi-book. might even use the battery
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[23:12] <normalra> BurtyB: very strange indeed.
[23:13] <deshipu> jsgrant: it's worth learning
[23:14] <normalra> just tried rsyncing to tmpfs, it seems to like 503KB/s very much.
[23:14] * Anoia wonders where her Pi is...
[23:17] <Anoia> next to my pillow. Where else...
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[23:19] <myself> ppq: butterfly keyboard? :D
[23:20] <myself> ppq: friend and I actually just started taking case measurements to do precisely that with some of our old/scrap toughbook cf-17 chassis.
[23:20] <ppq> nice
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[23:23] <myself> yeah, reusing the old screen would be fun, but 800x600 kinda sucks. Getting a new panel in there gonna be the hardest part.
[23:24] <ppq> the 600E has a nice screen, 1024x786
[23:24] <ppq> i'm off, good night everybody
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[23:24] <yoosi> I have a project idea that I need a bit of help with.
[23:25] <yoosi> I'd like to use a Pi Zero to sense when mail is delivered to my locking mailbox
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[23:25] <yoosi> It's within range of my WiFi. I've already written a python script using GMail's API that fires off alerts
[23:25] <methuzla> describe mailbox, or better, send photo
[23:26] <BurtyB> is it a mailbox with power?
[23:26] <yoosi> http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/81DLSWtjTXL._SL1500_.jpg
[23:27] <yoosi> No power. I need to come up with a solution for that. I'm not opposed to swapping out rechargables while I pick up the mail as long as it isn't more than once a week
[23:27] <methuzla> solar panel on top
[23:27] <yoosi> This box has a similar architecture and shows it in use http://www.amazon.com/dp/B008HVH502/ref=psdc_3180361_t1_B0002Q91K2
[23:27] <yoosi> It's under large trees. Very little sunlight
[23:28] <Macgyver0> lol or a microcontroller and nrf24/433mhz modules.. or rig up a wireless doorbell/driveway alert is alot more sensible
[23:29] <sesquipedalian> yoosi: get one of those tiny buzzers too so you can scare the mailman >_>
[23:29] <Macgyver0> If you have to have it internet enabled for whatever goofy reason you could do that with a pi on the reciever end
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[23:29] <methuzla> sensor-wise, i'd try a break beam just inside the door that would get broken when mail comes through
[23:29] <myself> Yeah, wireless doorbell, this is a solved problem. Internet-enable the receive side.
[23:29] <yoosi> Macgyver0: I've considered that but I'd like to make use of the Pi Zero in the mailbox for my own amusement
[23:30] <myself> Oh.
[23:30] <Macgyver0> power consumption.. how about a reed switch and a magnet or a physical switch on the door
[23:30] <yoosi> methuzla: That was my initial thought
[23:30] <methuzla> sensing a door opening would be easy, but that does not mean mail has been delivered
[23:30] <yoosi> methuzla: It's unlikely a neighbor would open the door within the timeframe of delivery
[23:31] <yoosi> Our box is the only one of it's type. It would need to be deliberate and it's locking so there's no real benefit to them
[23:31] <methuzla> well, detecting the door opening would be generally easier
[23:31] <yoosi> Macgyver0: Researching those now
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[23:31] <yoosi> My other thought was pressure sensing on the floor of the mailbox
[23:31] <yoosi> Determines if there's something on top of it
[23:32] <methuzla> another approach may be proximity sensors on the bottom looking up, to detect if anything is laying on them
[23:32] <myself> So, here's how I would do it: The pi is hard-off most of the time. Magnet and reed switch when the door opens, kicks on a latching circuit that powers up the Pi. It boots and determines if mail has actually been delivered (by whatever means you like), then begins trying to send its message. When it either succeeds or gives up, it fires a gpio line that biases the latching circuit back off, loses power,
[23:32] <yoosi> Like an IR LED on the bottom and an IR transistor thing on top?
[23:32] <myself> and down it goes, dormant and drawing zero power until next time the lid is opened.
[23:32] <yoosi> Read the IR light levels?
[23:33] <myself> I have a few gizmos in various places that work like this, hard-off until something triggers it; don't bother trying to write low-power software, do that down on the physical layer. It works well.
[23:33] <myself> But that's only appropriate for someone who wants to learn some down-in-the-analog electronics, too. If your goal is software, please ignore me. :)
[23:34] <yoosi> myself: I like your idea. I'm trying to think of a durable way to create such a latching circuit
[23:34] <yoosi> My goal is not software. I've got that part handled
[23:34] <myself> Relay, FET, flipflop.
[23:34] <myself> Latching relays are cheap and amazingly fun to play with.
[23:35] <Macgyver0> I see it now, deep cycle boat battery beside mailbox led light inside, rpi cam and opencv looking for mail
[23:36] <Macgyver0> :P crazy
[23:36] <yoosi> That'd make the mailman happy
[23:36] <yoosi> My late father-in-law was a mailman. He's told me some stories
[23:37] <myself> Macgyver0: Now, see, I could use that. If it's not addressed to me, it gets fed into some rollers that launch it back at the carrier..
[23:37] <myself> Happens entirely too often here, I'm on a runt route with no regular carrier, so whoever's bored picks it up, and they are *sloppy*.
[23:37] <methuzla> sensor of floor - basically another break beam, but pointing up, and maybe use several
[23:37] <myself> On the other hand, I know most of my neighbors' names, because we're always walking to each other's porches to exchange mail.
[23:38] <methuzla> could reflect off roof, so entire sensor and wiring is on floor
[23:39] <myself> ultrasonic, ping and see if the distance to the nearest object is something other than the known ceiling distance.
[23:41] <methuzla> house the whole setup in an enclosure that covers the floor and is as thin as possible
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[23:47] <myself> Huh. I really should do my mailbox thing. I was just gonna totalize the degree-seconds that the lid was open and use that as an estimate of mail amount, and transmit the sum once the lid's either closed or stops moving for a while.
[23:47] <myself> Whole thing could be sealed, just an accelerometer as the only input, radio as the only output.
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[23:55] <yoosi> Final idea is a photoresistor in teh lid
[23:56] <yoosi> When it detects light (because the lid was opened) it'll file off an email. Keeping it simple for now
[23:57] <yoosi> I already have a photoresistor so I should be able to get started this evening. For now I'll power it with my USB powerbank
[23:57] <yoosi> Although, now that I think about it... My USB battery powerbank has an autoshutoff if it doesn't get enough current pulled

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