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IRC Log for 2016-01-13

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[0:03] <myself> You'd be surprised how much light leaks through cracks on a full-sunny day, and how dim things may be with a late delivery on an overcast winter evening. Measure those light levels before going with a pure level-triggered setup.
[0:03] <Anoia> can someone confirm where the official MMAL documentation is?
[0:03] <Anoia> I;ve found this one, but it doesn;tlook official
[0:03] <Anoia> http://www.jvcref.com/files/PI/documentation/html/
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[0:04] <yoosi> myself: noted
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[0:18] <pyroxide> Wireless Access Pint
[0:18] <GreeningGalaxy> hi, I'm trying to set up my pi as a wireless access point with http://raspberrypihq.com/how-to-turn-a-raspberry-pi-into-a-wifi-router/ this tutorial, and now with all the configurations set, I suddenly can't seem to make the wifi adapter come up.
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[0:19] <GreeningGalaxy> ip addr show lists it as "state DOWN" no matter how many times I invoke `ip link set wlan0 up` or `ifup wlan0` (both of which return no errors or other output)
[0:19] <Tenkawa> have you tried ifup -v wlan0?
[0:20] <Tenkawa> to get more verbose messages
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[0:20] <pyroxide> tenkawa to the rescue.
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[0:20] <Tenkawa> evening all
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[0:20] <GreeningGalaxy> just did, nothing looks off... should I pastebin the output?
[0:21] <Tenkawa> sure
[0:21] <Tenkawa> also output of iwconfig
[0:21] <Tenkawa> take out wharever you feel might not need to be there for security/etc
[0:22] <GreeningGalaxy> http://pastebin.com/rUEZKW7p
[0:22] <Tenkawa> ok just a sec
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[0:22] <GreeningGalaxy> "not associated" what does that mean
[0:22] <Tenkawa> it couldnt auth/connect to the router
[0:22] <Tenkawa> er ap
[0:23] <Tenkawa> its acting like your pass is bad or the router is rejectijng you
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[0:23] <Tenkawa> er rejecting
[0:23] <Tenkawa> was it working before?
[0:23] <GreeningGalaxy> uh, I'm not trying to make it connect to a router, I'm trying to make it be one
[0:24] <GreeningGalaxy> it was working in my previous install of raspbian, but I haven't tried until now since moving to Jessie
[0:24] <Tenkawa> ahhh
[0:24] <Tenkawa> sounds like the ap-mode
[0:24] <Tenkawa> (I'm very rusty on this part)
[0:25] <GreeningGalaxy> hmm
[0:26] <kookie> Tenkawa: need some WD-40???
[0:26] <Tenkawa> did you check the setup on /etc/network/interfaces and /etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf
[0:26] <Tenkawa> kookie: probably a whole case
[0:26] <kookie> lol
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[0:27] <GreeningGalaxy> I just set up /etc/network/interfaces according to the tutorial I linked (preserving everything that was already working relating to eth0, since I don't want to risk breaking that)
[0:27] <GreeningGalaxy> haven't looked at wpa_supplicant, though
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[0:28] <Tenkawa> it "might" be the supplicant not working quite right
[0:28] <Tenkawa> ther "not associated" part makes me think its related
[0:28] <GreeningGalaxy> wpa_supplicant.conf has two lines: `ctrl_interface=DIR=/var/run/wpa_supplicant GROUP=netdev` and `update_config=1`
[0:28] <yoosi> So has anyone tried setting up a DNS that passes through to 8.8.8.8 but logs all the requests?
[0:28] <Tenkawa> GreeningGalaxy: hmmm
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[0:32] <GreeningGalaxy> I'm using an adapter with lights, and usually they blink when the thing is working. right now they come on briefly right when I invoke ifup wlan0 but otherwise stay dark.
[0:32] <Tenkawa> not sure atm.. I have to leave for now.. good luck though and if you're in channel and get it working when i stop back in i'd definitely like to hear what fixed it
[0:32] <stochastix> What is the best raspberry pi kit to get if i want to just use it for an audio receiver running pulseaudio ?
[0:32] <Tenkawa> bbl all..
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[0:33] <stochastix> is the canakit good, or is there better out there?
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[0:34] <GreeningGalaxy> anyone else tried to set up a pi as a router and gotten "not-associated" in iwconfig?
[0:34] <myself> stochastix: why a kit? the recommendation would depend on what parts you already have on-hand.
[0:34] <pyroxide> will the pi do stereoscopic 3d?
[0:35] <stochastix> myself: I have none on hand :)
[0:35] <BurtyB> yoosi, no - but I don't see why not with forwarders in the options and logging query_logging setup (I log queries on my nameservers but don't forward to google).
[0:35] <stochastix> myself: Im kind of gong to use it as a regular PC so I guess i need a wireless keyboard too hey?
[0:35] <stochastix> myself: going to run linux on it.
[0:36] <stochastix> myself: i figured a kit is the way to go, but was wondering what kits people think are the best going right now.
[0:36] <pyroxide> stochastix: this works great for my pi http://www.ebay.com/itm/271636468919
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[0:37] <pyroxide> not a fan of the arrow keys, but it gets the job done
[0:37] <yoosi> Thanks BurtyB
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[0:37] <stochastix> pyroxide: are there limited keyboards that will work with the pi?
[0:38] <pyroxide> no clue, man.
[0:38] <stochastix> k
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[0:38] <kookie> l
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[0:40] <pyroxide> any keyboard that works on linux will work on pi
[0:40] <pyroxide> as long as it is usb
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[0:41] <stochastix> reading a rundown of some of the best kits in 2015 https://www.pretzellogix.net/2015/01/14/the-best-raspberry-pi-starter-kits-compared-and-reviewed/
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[0:44] <pyroxide> eh. i just bought my own stuff instead of a kit
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[0:45] <pyroxide> wifi adapter i bought is crap. probably has 10 foot range
[0:45] <stochastix> i may do that now after seeing what is in them all
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[0:45] <pyroxide> yeah i bought a bunch of sd cards
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[0:46] <pyroxide> that keyboard/mouse, Rosewill N150 wifi adapter (total crap)
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[0:47] <stochastix> which keyboard/mouse
[0:47] <pyroxide> http://www.ebay.com/itm/271636468919
[0:48] <pyroxide> making my own case with a 3d printer.
[0:48] <stochastix> oh,the keymouse are ok, the wifi adapter is crap?
[0:48] <pyroxide> yes.
[0:48] <stochastix> gotcha
[0:51] <stochastix> are #4 SD cards too slow to run on os on?
[0:52] <pyroxide> they are pretty slow
[0:52] <pyroxide> i noticed a difference
[0:53] <stochastix> k, for running CLI only fir linux where it may all load in ram it may work.
[0:53] <stochastix> I have s bunch here
[0:53] <stochastix> Is that an IDE port on that thing?
[0:54] <stochastix> or a breakout port?
[0:54] <GreeningGalaxy> My parents told me that they got a #4 card for my pi because it was supposed to be the only kind that worked
[0:54] <GreeningGalaxy> granted I have a first-gen B
[0:54] <stochastix> i noticed some kits include a #10 micro with an adapter
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[0:57] <pyroxide> and no that's not an IDE port. it's for connecting your own gadgets.
[0:57] <stochastix> yea i see that now
[0:58] <stochastix> what is the best OS to run on there if you plan to gadgetize the crap out of your pi?
[0:59] <stochastix> I imagine if you put linux on there you can programm it all in C of C++ right?
[0:59] <pyroxide> depends...windows 10 IoT core or snappy ubuntu core
[0:59] <stochastix> But i imagine there are other OSes with easier devel setups?
[0:59] <stochastix> what is NOOB?
[0:59] <pyroxide> os selection tool
[1:00] <stochastix> oh
[1:00] <pyroxide> i use Arch Linux ARM
[1:00] <stochastix> Oh nice
[1:00] <stochastix> that is what Id do then
[1:00] <stochastix> did know they had an WRM
[1:00] <stochastix> ARM
[1:00] <stochastix> didnt
[1:01] <stochastix> I see raspbian is just debian too
[1:01] <stochastix> so basically everyone is running linux
[1:01] <stochastix> or now win10
[1:01] <stochastix> ok cool,
[1:01] <pyroxide> windows 10 iot core is hardly windows at all
[1:02] <stochastix> pyroxide: I want to get one set up to run pulseaudio as an audio reciever hooked up to my stereo so I dont have to keep running a long RCA cable to my laptop heh
[1:03] <stochastix> SHould be fun'
[1:03] <pyroxide> eh
[1:03] <pyroxide> well you'd be better off with a usb sound card
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[1:03] <stochastix> usb soundcard hooked intot he pi?
[1:03] <pyroxide> yes
[1:04] <stochastix> the sound chip sucks?
[1:04] <pyroxide> there is no input
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[1:04] <stochastix> wifi
[1:04] <stochastix> send the sound through pulseaudio through the network
[1:04] <pyroxide> no idefa that could happen
[1:04] <stochastix> and out to the stereo
[1:04] <stochastix> yea, it is easy
[1:04] <pyroxide> or just bluetooth your audio
[1:05] <stochastix> I could, Id have to buy a BT transmitter and reciecer
[1:05] <stochastix> I dont have BT on this laptop
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[1:06] <stochastix> Id have to buy something then too. would rather buy the pi and put arch on it. :)
[1:06] <pyroxide> yeah it's a fun toy
[1:06] <stochastix> ive got some arduinos, but never got a pi yet
[1:07] <sesquipedalian> I am the opposite. what are arduinos for
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[1:09] <yoosi> Arduino is a development board based around a microcontroller
[1:10] <uriah> nice, rpi2 has much faster transfer rates over sshfs than rpi1 does
[1:10] <yoosi> Instead of running an OS you program right to the chip
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[1:14] <sesquipedalian> would the pi 2 be able to handle full disk encryption with luks
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[1:20] <pyroxide> i want to see android for rpi take off
[1:20] <uriah> :<
[1:20] <uriah> but why?!
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[1:20] <uriah> so you can use your pi as a phone?
[1:20] <pyroxide> because appstore.
[1:20] <uriah> oh....
[1:20] <uriah> makes sense
[1:20] <pyroxide> i want to run certain software
[1:21] <uriah> like what?
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[1:21] <pyroxide> Skype and Splashtop
[1:21] <uriah> oh
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[1:22] <pyroxide> skype for linux has crap ui
[1:22] <uriah> pyroxide: you know... there is such a thing as ssh-tunneled vnc sessions...
[1:22] <Anoia> http://www.doesnotcompute.co.uk/blog/time-raspberry-pi
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[1:22] <pyroxide> i can emulate i386-linux to run skype.
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[1:22] <Anoia> damn lack of RTC :(
[1:22] <pyroxide> vnc runs very slow on pi
[1:22] <uriah> and also... skype? that's a microsoft product :(
[1:23] <pyroxide> my friends use skype
[1:23] <uriah> hmm...
[1:23] <uriah> well
[1:23] <Anoia> win10 on a pi?
[1:23] <uriah> yeah... isn't that expensive though?
[1:23] <Anoia> not looked myself
[1:23] <pyroxide> its' free to developers
[1:24] <Anoia> so pretty much anyoen working on a pi?
[1:24] <uriah> pyroxide: you might have better results if you use x11vnc
[1:24] <myself> I'm not a developer, more of a fixer myself
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[1:24] <myself> some might call me a stop-bath
[1:25] <uriah> pyroxide: because that way it'll just send the accelerated desktop that appears on your screen to the remote client...
[1:25] <uriah> of course, there's still the issue of compressing the image, etc.
[1:25] <uriah> which will require some cpu power
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[1:25] <uriah> but at least it'll use the gpu as much as possible to render the desktop
[1:26] <pyroxide> i was using tigervnc
[1:26] <pyroxide> i want to stream games.
[1:27] <uriah> hmm, does that do something similar?
[1:27] <uriah> lol stream games, good luck
[1:27] <pyroxide> 35 fps+ is important
[1:27] <Anoia> 35? A nice round number...
[1:28] <uriah> if you want, you can contribute code to whatever vnc you prefer, so that it uses the rpi gpu to encode the desktop capture in h264/x264 and send it via udp... that might do it
[1:28] <uriah> OR
[1:28] <uriah> there may already be a way to do so... who knows
[1:29] <pyroxide> game streaming is already a thing for the pi with computers wthat have an nvidia gpu
[1:30] <uriah> i see...
[1:30] <uriah> how does it work?
[1:30] <pyroxide> i have an AMD gpu
[1:30] <pyroxide> drivers
[1:30] <pyroxide> Moonlight/Limelight
[1:30] <uriah> i see
[1:30] <uriah> anyway
[1:30] <uriah> i've gtg
[1:30] <uriah> later
[1:30] <uriah> good luck :P
[1:30] <pyroxide> ok
[1:31] <pyroxide> love u
[1:32] <kookie> love u chu
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[2:27] <sesquipedalian> oh god, I wanted to search raspytube (the gui for youtube-dl) and I searched rapytube
[2:27] <sesquipedalian> horrible things ;_;
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[2:36] <Tenkawa> hi all
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[2:43] <merrick`> yo Tenkawa
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[3:01] <Tenkawa> whays new all?
[3:01] <Tenkawa> er whats
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[3:03] <kookie> ah, new york, new jersey, new mexico, new hampshire, etc....
[3:04] <Tenkawa> haaha
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[3:04] <Dumle29> someone in here tried to help me with getting arch to run
[3:05] <kookie> lol... thot you'd like a laught
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[3:05] <Dumle29> Just wanted to report back. It's the SD card that's a dud
[3:05] <kookie> cool
[3:05] <kookie> congrats
[3:05] <kookie> did you get a new one?
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[3:09] <Tenkawa> well hopefully I'll have my pi2 image fully built tomorrow and can replicate it on the other boxes
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[3:56] <|PSU|> hi guys, trying to get OpenVPN working with Shorewall...following the road warrior setup. Very basic setup, one client (iPad) and RaspPi server. I am able to successfully authenticate and access local web pages on my local network but am unable to get out to the Internet. anyone using Shorewall that may be able to assist?
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[3:58] <Tenkawa> |PSU|: how far does a traceroute/tracert get?
[3:59] <|PSU|> from where to where? :)
[4:00] <|PSU|> and thanks for the response :)
[4:00] <Tenkawa> from the machine trying to get out to somewhere remote
[4:01] <Tenkawa> no problem btw.. here to try to help if i can
[4:01] <|PSU|> ok that's the iPad...not sure I have a way to run the commands...
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[4:02] <|PSU|> shorewall is throwing the following error:
[4:02] <|PSU|> Jan 12 20:54:12 road2net:REJECT:IN=tun0 OUT=eth1 SRC=10.8.0.6 DST=8.8.4.4 LEN=71 TOS=0x00 PREC=0x00 TTL=254 ID=47925 PROTO=UDP SPT=60276 DPT=53 LEN=51
[4:02] <Tenkawa> ahhh
[4:02] <|PSU|> SRC - iPad VPN IP
[4:02] <|PSU|> DST - Google DNS
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[4:03] <Tenkawa> completely didnt notice you said src box was an ipad
[4:03] <Tenkawa> well shoor
[4:03] <Tenkawa> er shoot
[4:04] <|PSU|> I can access my local media web server, so I know the tunnel is good, but the routing out is not working
[4:04] <Tenkawa> that sounds shorewall specific
[4:04] <|PSU|> that's my concern...have any experience w/ shorewall? :P
[4:04] <Tenkawa> I unfortunately dont
[4:05] <|PSU|> ok no worries
[4:05] <Tenkawa> good luck though
[4:05] <|PSU|> thanks!
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[5:10] <mixfix41> shoot the wipi and a wifi dongle not infrared
[5:10] <mixfix41> but its a good dongle
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[5:14] <raspberrypifan> i got the zero working
[5:14] <raspberrypifan> yay
[5:14] <raspberrypifan> with just usb org
[5:14] <raspberrypifan> otg
[5:14] <raspberrypifan> and a wifi dongle
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[6:01] <Mastercat> Hi
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[6:05] <Berg> meow
[6:05] <Berg> hi
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[6:35] <MarkusDBX> Hi, I'm looking for ecc single board computers, is there such a thing?
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[6:37] <CoJaBo> MarkusDBX: ecc?
[6:38] <MarkusDBX> checksummed ram
[6:38] <MarkusDBX> important to avoid bitflips in servers
[6:38] <CoJaBo> I'd imagine the very high end does
[6:39] <MarkusDBX> well it needs to be cheap too
[6:39] <CoJaBo> Not sure where to look for those tho; they aren't going to be hobbiest boards..
[6:39] <MarkusDBX> since there is already so many cheap ecc alternatives on x86
[6:39] <MarkusDBX> from amd mainly
[6:39] <CoJaBo> There isn't much overlap in error-resilient and cheap, unless you plan to manufacture millions of them :P
[6:40] <MarkusDBX> I know that
[6:40] <MarkusDBX> but I guess sooner or later it will happen
[6:40] <mgottschlag> I don't think there is any ECC ARM board atm, except when you look at very expensive server boards
[6:40] <MarkusDBX> for "internet of things" usage ecc is actually very good
[6:40] <CoJaBo> Possibly; the market is just too tiny, virtually nonexistent
[6:40] <MarkusDBX> I disagree on that
[6:40] <MarkusDBX> people just don't know what ecc is
[6:41] <raspberrypifan> yall should join my chan on snoonet #raspberrypi
[6:41] <CoJaBo> I know what it is, and I don't see why it'd be useful in IOT
[6:41] <CoJaBo> Also, snoonet sucks
[6:41] <mgottschlag> the average IoT thing is just protected by a watchdog timer, which is enough, because all data is immediately sent into the could anyways
[6:41] <MarkusDBX> btw, the latest pro x86 workstatations from hp/dell/lenovo feature xeon with ecc, in laptops.
[6:41] <mgottschlag> *cloud
[6:42] <CoJaBo> ECC is pretty standard in workstations
[6:42] <MarkusDBX> mgottschlag: yeah true, but it's nice if what's sent to the cloud is "ALWAYS" correct
[6:42] <MarkusDBX> if it's about a heater in someones house.
[6:42] <CoJaBo> MarkusDBX: With the cloud, you have completely different forms of fault-tolerance
[6:43] <CoJaBo> MarkusDBX: "The cloud" is cheap hardware, with multiple fallbacks
[6:43] <mgottschlag> I don't think there are many cases where ECC is interesting for IoT projects
[6:43] <MarkusDBX> CoJaBo: it is, but new for laptops.
[6:43] <raspberrypifan> snoonet is cool
[6:43] <mgottschlag> your heater example repeatedly calculates temperature, so the next iteration will have good results again
[6:43] <MarkusDBX> mgottschlag: hospitals and military imo
[6:43] <CoJaBo> MarkusDBX: Which are in the high-end, millions of units category.
[6:43] <mgottschlag> no, that's where you want *much* more than just ECC if you have a critical problem
[6:43] <mgottschlag> like, proper replication of everything, with a majority voter
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[6:44] <MarkusDBX> I didn't say ecc was the sole solution =)
[6:44] <MarkusDBX> mgottschlag: I agree
[6:44] <CoJaBo> And yep, part of the expense is because it isn't JUST ECC you're getting with them :P
[6:44] <mgottschlag> and there, the market indeed is far too small, you'd rather employ an FPGA :)
[6:44] <CoJaBo> ECMs are the major market for that stuff; but again, high-end prototyping for millions of units
[6:45] <MarkusDBX> mgottschlag: majority voter btw, seems rare today, something the cloud in some ways abstracts away. I seemed to be common on mainframes.
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[6:45] <MarkusDBX> *It seemed
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[6:46] <CoJaBo> MarkusDBX: ECMs do that, at least
[6:46] <mgottschlag> you'd only use majority voters when the system is life-critical (and therefore not connected to any internet)
[6:46] <CoJaBo> Which is where the only market for ECC/etc SBC boards is :P
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[6:46] <MarkusDBX> mgottschlag: I guss hospital mainframe
[6:46] <mgottschlag> these days at least, but even in history there wasn't too much of a market for real majority voter hardware
[6:46] <mgottschlag> usually, it's just a couple of computers which check the results in software
[6:47] <mgottschlag> there isn't such a thing as a life-critical hospital mainframe though :)
[6:47] <CoJaBo> Mainframes were mainly for payroll anyway lol
[6:47] <CoJaBo> I got to work on one once
[6:47] <mgottschlag> the life critical systems in hostpitals are things like small embedded life support systems
[6:48] <MarkusDBX> I see
[6:48] <CoJaBo> ECMs are a more common example, because pretty much everyone owns a car
[6:48] <MarkusDBX> it seems most of the ecc in single board computers is on the x86 side of things.
[6:49] <mgottschlag> ECC is currently mostly limited to servers, because that's where valuable data is stored
[6:49] <CoJaBo> I dunno what instruction sets those use tho
[6:49] <mgottschlag> valuable as in "the company will lose millions if the server crashes due to bit flips"
[6:49] <CoJaBo> The funny part is, the one mainframe I worked on was the crashiest thing ever
[6:49] <mgottschlag> your average word document just isn't that valuable
[6:50] <MarkusDBX> True
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[6:50] <CoJaBo> The OS never went down tho; ran for 20 years straight
[6:50] <MarkusDBX> it seems supermicro has a quark mother board with ecc
[6:50] <mgottschlag> I'd expect e.g. the AMD A1100 to support ECC
[6:50] <MarkusDBX> slow and old though
[6:50] <MarkusDBX> amd is good in the ecc arena in general
[6:51] <MarkusDBX> mgottschlag: I'm going to research that
[6:51] <CoJaBo> But they wrote all their own software, which was hella derpy
[6:51] <mgottschlag> well, that's just the only ARM server board which comes to my mind
[6:51] <mgottschlag> and it's expensive
[6:51] <mgottschlag> well, ThunderX Cavium would be another example which surely supports ECC
[6:52] <MarkusDBX> "Software-defined SoC​" now that sounds cool..
[6:52] <MarkusDBX> rewritable fpga?
[6:52] <MarkusDBX> that's from the a1100 page.
[6:53] <mgottschlag> that would surprise me, AMD does not have any public cooperation with any FPGA vendor
[6:53] <MarkusDBX> then what can it be?
[6:53] <MarkusDBX> marketing?
[6:53] <mgottschlag> but might be, probably really limited though
[6:54] <MarkusDBX> anything software defined imo is... COOL =)
[6:54] <mgottschlag> probably some small programmable logic blocks next to IO transceivers
[6:54] <MarkusDBX> yeah sure
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[6:56] <MarkusDBX> http://images.anandtech.com/doci/8362/seattle%20SOC.JPG wow, must be expensive as..
[6:58] <MarkusDBX> $3000 for dev kit release last year =)
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[7:00] <mgottschlag> btw, if you want to see something really cool, look at the Cypress PSOC... software defined ANALOG electronics :D
[7:01] <MarkusDBX> applications? First thing I think about is syntheziers and higi
[7:01] <mgottschlag> (not very large though)
[7:01] <MarkusDBX> *hifi
[7:01] <mgottschlag> basically, it's just cheaper than using loads of discrete devices in a system, and saves space
[7:02] <MarkusDBX> trying to understand
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[7:04] <MarkusDBX> so I can program my audio circuit? =)
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[7:06] <mgottschlag> yeah, something like that ^^
[7:07] <MarkusDBX> ok, that's cool
[7:07] <mgottschlag> at least, you could build e.g. a hardware audio mixer without external components
[7:07] <MarkusDBX> I saw their video now. Cool and easy it seems. Even for me, whos not an embedded dev by any means.
[7:10] <MarkusDBX> Maybe a little far out, but I wonder if we'll see "software defined analog neural networks" in the future, since brains are kind of analog anyways.
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[7:12] <CoJaBo> MarkusDBX: There kinda already are, in some ways; the weights and stuff aren't strictly binary
[7:13] <Stealthy> sillies
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[9:58] <telling> Hi guys, have chromium been removed from the raspberry repositories?
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[10:05] <Lonefish> was it in the repositories?
[10:05] <Lonefish> I installed it a month ago and I thought I had to add it manually
[10:05] <Lonefish> https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=121195
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[10:06] <Lonefish> Think I used this tut
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[10:31] <AiGreek> like he said
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[13:18] <pyroxide> ooo newegg has 8TB external hard drive for 240$
[13:19] <pyroxide> nvm it's seagate
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[13:34] <Tenkawa> whats new all?
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[13:35] <deshipu> nihil novi sub sole
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[13:36] <Tenkawa> eh?
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[13:38] <deshipu> nihil sub sole novum
[13:39] <pyroxide> no se
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[13:40] <Tenkawa> ahh
[13:40] <Tenkawa> had to look that one up
[13:41] <Tenkawa> my latin is a bit rusty
[13:41] <Tenkawa> any of you use reflections ssh on an ipad by chance?
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[13:42] <pyroxide> Fisher Price OS.
[13:42] <pyroxide> nope.
[13:42] <Tenkawa> haahaa
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[13:43] <Tenkawa> pyroxide: it was convenient to start up this morning heh
[13:43] <pyroxide> i've used EasySSHFS to mount on my android tablet
[13:43] <Armand> Android, yes... with a bluetooth keyboard.
[13:44] <Tenkawa> i've just noticed a few glitches in reflections on ios and wanted to see if anyone else had
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[13:44] <Tenkawa> it just crashed as i was typing that 'yay screen!!'
[13:45] <Tenkawa> screen/tmux are two of the most handy unix/linux apps ever
[13:45] <Tenkawa> in my opinion
[13:45] <Myrtti> cron
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[13:45] <pyroxide> dd
[13:46] <Tenkawa> Myrtti: meh at is fine enough
[13:46] <Tenkawa> pyroxide: ok let me qualify that..... apps for session usage
[13:46] <pyroxide> nano
[13:46] * Tenkawa rarely uses any graphics
[13:47] <Tenkawa> pyroxide: nah.. i like full vim :)
[13:47] <pyroxide> ew
[13:47] <pyroxide> if i'm in a DE i like SciTE
[13:47] <Tenkawa> ahh
[13:48] <Tenkawa> pico was just annoying
[13:48] <pyroxide> boke no pico?
[13:48] <pyroxide> lol nvm
[13:48] <Tenkawa> ugggh 1 degree f outside and still snow covered ... blah
[13:49] <Tenkawa> this is going to be fun....not
[13:49] <Armand> -17 in real numbers ??
[13:49] <Armand> WUT?
[13:49] <Tenkawa> yep
[13:50] <Armand> Yeah, I should think snow would be the least of your worries in -17. :P
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[13:50] <Tenkawa> well the snow came from before so now its frozen
[13:50] <pyroxide> i get my Steam Link today. will fianlly be able to stream games
[13:50] <Tenkawa> so ice... fun
[13:51] <pyroxide> phr0z3n sn0w
[13:51] <Armand> 6c here. :)
[13:51] <Tenkawa> i grew up in an area that had no snow, only ice. it was very annoying
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[13:52] <Tenkawa> oh well.. it is what it is
[13:52] <Tenkawa> heheh
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[13:52] <Tenkawa> its at least finally sunny again
[13:52] <Armand> I haven't seen a decent snow here in many years.
[13:52] <Armand> I had to go to NJ to see a good snow fall. :P
[13:53] <Tenkawa> Armand: which state?
[13:53] <Armand> England, UK.. lol
[13:53] <Tenkawa> i was in arkansas originally on louisiana border
[13:53] <Tenkawa> ahhh thought you meant new jersey
[13:53] <Tenkawa> here in the usa
[13:53] <Armand> My wife is from Paterson, NJ.
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[13:54] <Tenkawa> Armand: heh wish i was in guernsey right now... that place was amazing
[13:54] <Tenkawa> Armand: ahh
[13:54] <Armand> I've been over there once or twice a year since we've been together.
[13:54] <Armand> I need to visit Guernsey.. I have friends there.
[13:55] <Tenkawa> guernsey and luxemburg were awesome places i visited multiple times
[13:55] <Tenkawa> Armand: Guernsey and Jersey both were neat.
[13:56] <Tenkawa> been a long time since i've been though
[13:56] <Armand> Paris, San Juan, St. Thomas, Barbados, St. Lucia, St Kitts, St. Maarten & Anguilla. ^_^
[13:56] <Tenkawa> ok. time to get ready to go. bbl.. cheers all
[13:57] <Armand> Be good. .o/
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[14:31] <telling> Im getting the following error, when starting epiphany from a custom session manager: http://hastebin.com/warerepixa.avrasm - Can anyone give me any hints as to what's happening? Epiphany crashes.
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[16:27] <sgo11> hi, I am using motion to capture videos from an usb camera. Regardless what I tried, the fps is always 4. I even tried to save the video output to tmpfs. is that possible to force the fps to a higher number? thanks.
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[16:31] <shiftplusone> sgo11: if you want decent performance, you'll have to use the official raspberry pi camera, since that's handled by the GPU. USB cameras expect your CPU to do all the work.
[16:33] <sgo11> shiftplusone, I have the official pi camera. but the output image is not clear. I am not satisfied. My USB camera has much better quality than the pi camera. that's why I use the usbcam. I tried to monitor the CPU when motion is running. it only uses 30% of CPU at most. I don't get it why I can't increase the fps. Why doesn't motion provide a way to specify the fps by user? thanks.
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[16:34] <shiftplusone> Probably only 30% because it's only using 1 core
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[16:36] <sgo11> shiftplusone, ok.. do you mean motion can only support 1 core? can I make it support all cores?
[16:37] <gordonDrogon> if you use the 'top' command. press the '1' key to get it to show all 4 cores CPU activity...
[16:37] <sgo11> shiftplusone, my usb cam is using sony IMX179. the image or video quality is much better than the pi camera. the pi camera photo is fuzzy.
[16:38] <shiftplusone> I don't know if it's because of motion, but the whole pipeline from the kernel getting the 1s and 0s and it getting wherever is going.... somewhere along the way, something is only using one core and bottlenecking the whole thing.
[16:38] <sgo11> gordonDrogon, actually I did monitor htop before. yeah, it seems motion can not use all 4 cores.
[16:40] <sgo11> shiftplusone, I am not a hardware guy. I don't know much about the hw. I think the cores are virtual, not physical, right? can I join them somehow? :)
[16:40] <shiftplusone> They're very physical
[16:41] <gordonDrogon> and software really needs to be written to support multiple cores - often from the ground up.
[16:41] <sgo11> if motion can only use one core. that means my another 8-core dev board won't help either..
[16:41] <gordonDrogon> highly unlikely.
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[16:41] <sgo11> I just bought a 8-core ARM board recently for this purpose. very bad luck.
[16:42] <gordonDrogon> however... sometimes if a piece of software uses some standard library, that library can be re-written to utilise multiple cores/processors.
[16:42] <niston> hi all o/
[16:42] * gordonDrogon used to work for parallel processing supercomputer companies once upon a lifetime ago...
[16:42] <niston> thinking machines? :>
[16:43] <Armand> I'm still waiting on an ARMv8 SBC.... �_�
[16:43] <Armand> *affordable ^
[16:43] <sgo11> I hope everything is written in golang. so they support multiple cores from the ground up.
[16:43] <gordonDrogon> niston, no...
[16:43] <niston> I think they were muricans, were they?
[16:43] <niston> Richard Feynman was on their staff IIRC
[16:44] <gordonDrogon> yes. I worked for a company called Meiko Scientific ...
[16:44] <niston> Meiko? I had an industrial dishwasher from Meiko in the office when I was self employed
[16:45] <niston> http://image.img-erento.com/geschirrspueler/durchschubspuelmaschine-meiko--geschirrspueler-389-29364385_gallery.jpg
[16:46] <niston> gordonDrogon: that's where you worked with transputers? was that you?
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[16:48] <gordonDrogon> yes - they started with transputers, then moved on when they never kept up.
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[16:48] <niston> their website is still around, it appears http://www.meiko.com/
[16:49] <gordonDrogon> heh.. do a reverse lookup on the IP of that domain :)
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[16:49] <niston> I feel like I dont have to :P
[16:49] <gordonDrogon> https://projects.drogon.net/a-box-of-200-raspberry-pis/
[16:49] <gordonDrogon> that was the last big Meiko I worked on.
[16:50] <niston> impressive
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[16:51] <gordonDrogon> it was really the start of the whole "cluster" type of thing.
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[17:09] <yoosi> My Pi Zeros need to hurry up :)
[17:09] <Bilby> :3
[17:09] * yoosi pokes mailmen
[17:10] <pyroxide> my Steam Link comes today
[17:10] <yoosi> Is that the streaming thing?
[17:10] <pyroxide> yus
[17:10] <yoosi> Neat
[17:11] <yoosi> I don't play games much. I like GB -> 3DS but even those I play in short bursts every few months
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[17:13] <yoosi> I played WoW for a couple years. Shit's addictive. I had to stop because it was bad for my health
[17:13] <pyroxide> oh crap i may need to route a wired connection
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[17:13] <gordonDrogon> yoosi, it's a family friendly channel ...
[17:13] <pyroxide> ...to my room.
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[17:13] <pyroxide> need to tell a bunch of other people that
[17:14] <yoosi> Thank you gordonDrogon
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[17:16] <yoosi> I wonder where I can find those stand offs downtown Seattle
[17:16] <yoosi> My first guess is Radio Shack but they've been a let down
[17:17] <pyroxide> like motherboard standoffs?
[17:17] <yoosi> I think so. Something to mount a Pi
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[17:17] <pyroxide> idk, i'm incorporating in my 3d model for printing
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[17:18] <pyroxide> a computer surplus store
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[17:21] <mithenks> gello, anyone here that knows about RTK and GPS precision?
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[17:22] <mithenks> in particular, RTK needs a base station, or it's possible to have a better gps precision also by only processing more data from satelittes?
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[17:24] <JK-47> more data is good. waas capability is helpful too
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[17:24] <mithenks> I'm trying to understand if it's possibile to have 10-cm precision
[17:24] <JK-47> no
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[17:25] <pyroxide> more like 100 cm
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[17:25] <JK-47> even with waas, the specification only requires to 7.6m
[17:25] <mithenks> not event with RTK and a basestation?
[17:25] <traeak> hehe
[17:26] <traeak> with base station you should be able to get 3-5cm
[17:26] <traeak> best case
[17:26] <traeak> beware however...
[17:26] <traeak> we were involved with trimble in a test in a parking lot of their theotolytes
[17:27] <traeak> measuring a network under very controlled circustances
[17:27] <traeak> there was 3cm error across even that
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[17:28] <traeak> in our experience using a high grade applanix gps/imu in an aerial vehicle using their virtual station stuff about 4-5cm is what you'll see
[17:28] <traeak> 10cm is a bit high on the erorr side with rtk
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[17:28] <Apocx> anyone know the official term for this rubber strain/flex relief boot? because I can't seem to find them anywhere. http://i.imgur.com/OT5ss5J.jpg
[17:29] <traeak> trying to remmeber what we were seeing error wise with the mobile lidar stuff used for transportation
[17:29] <traeak> still should be able to get sub 5cm off that
[17:30] <traeak> ist his trimble or leica equipment ?
[17:30] <mithenks> so, if I want to realize a module to get precise survey over a field with raspberry, the only way to get submeter precision is developing an additional module that act as RTK basestation?
[17:30] <tuelz> I'm trying to make a two part split keyboard. I'd like to attach the two parts with some sort of cable connector, but I don't know what the hardware would be called that would allow me to solder the connections on either side to interface with some sort of cable
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[17:30] <tuelz> is there a better channel for hardware recommendation questions?
[17:31] <mithenks> considering that no public RTK basestation could be used
[17:31] <traeak> we've worked with surveyors but i'm not familiar with other equipment
[17:31] <traeak> you are trying to cook your own rtk rover ?
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[17:31] <yoosi> tuelz: I have a keyboard like you're describing at home. I plan to cut it open anyways. I can report my findings
[17:31] <traeak> if using off the shelf stuff your precision drops dramatically
[17:31] <yoosi> It's a Kinesis Freestyle
[17:32] <traeak> my partner is more into specifics with that
[17:32] <traeak> i know MEMs technology is poor for precision
[17:32] <traeak> but thats for kinematic trajectory measurement
[17:32] <tuelz> yoosi: cool, actually I've already got one and I've already opened it up - I just don't know what the hardware is called, generally
[17:33] <mithenks> yes we are trying to understand if it's possibile to develop a custom gps module that have good submeter precision at cheaper cost respect commercial offers
[17:33] <traeak> ahh gotcha
[17:33] <traeak> we're used to working with folks using leica/trimble equipment
[17:33] <tuelz> like I know I'll have a wire for each column and each row - I just don't know what the intermediate part would be called that would allow me to solder up wires and then connect both sides
[17:33] <shiftplusone> Apocx: cable strain relief should turn up plenty http://uk.rs-online.com/web/c/connectors/connector-tools-accessories/strain-relief-cable-guides-boots/
[17:34] <traeak> and i'm not impressed with their network soution software
[17:34] <traeak> it reports BS uncertainties
[17:34] <traeak> which are pretty much critical for any real usage
[17:34] <traeak> so we have to estimate what the realistic uncdertainties are
[17:34] <traeak> that pisses us off
[17:35] <traeak> reporting 3mm precision for a survey point, yeah right
[17:35] <Apocx> shiftplusone: Yeah I've been searching for that for a good 20 minutes, I can't find any square ones that have the notch to slot into a project enclosure box though. only circular
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[17:35] <traeak> what are you trying to survey that only wants 10cm precision ?
[17:35] <shiftplusone> hmm
[17:36] <Apocx> the box basically closes over it like in this picture: http://www.powerswitchtail.com/siteimages/powerswitch%20tail%20ii.jpg
[17:36] <Apocx> I'm trying to replicate that in my own projects
[17:36] <mithenks> there are a lots of real life application in our business area
[17:36] <traeak> the reason i'm asking is that we're rapid processing 9 cam oblique sensor data down captured at 25mm to about 7cm worldwide accuracy
[17:36] <mithenks> for which sub-meter to 10cm precision would be great
[17:37] <mithenks> like green area survey, tree location, etc
[17:37] <traeak> engineering wants it better than 5cm if possible
[17:37] <traeak> which under great conditions we can get
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[17:37] <traeak> you just have to survey something that's actually identifiable :-
[17:37] <traeak> not the tops or rocks or a porcelain toilet somebody dumped in a vacant lot
[17:37] <traeak> seen both of those
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[17:38] <traeak> you are looking at gps receivers?
[17:38] <shiftplusone> Apocx: checked all the usual suspects? Farnell, digikey and so on?
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[17:40] <mithenks> gps receivers that give this level of precision are expensive for our clients
[17:40] <traeak> my partner pretty much did all the math and photogrammetry models for this rover: http://www.trimble.com/survey/trimble-v10-imaging-rover.aspx
[17:40] <traeak> on contract for trimble
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[17:41] <mithenks> so we are trying to understand if it's possibile to develop a custom module that take raw data from satellites and permit a better precision using some sort of post-processing
[17:41] <traeak> this was under prototype for almost 5 years though
[17:41] <traeak> you have your own base station then?
[17:41] <traeak> for referencing to local monuments?
[17:42] <mithenks> nope
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[17:42] <Apocx> shiftplusone: Yep. Closest thing I've found was this: http://www.overmoldtooling.com/stdparts.htm but they have a MOQ of 200. Adding "molded" to my search is helping though
[17:42] <mithenks> actually, we use gps position given by tablet internal module to make our surveys :d
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[17:42] <traeak> how long do you settle at the point ?
[17:43] <traeak> the longer you sit the better results you get
[17:43] * Chillum sits
[17:43] <traeak> that ends up being a lot of the cost, hiring somebody expensive to babysit equipment that's settling into a solution
[17:43] <traeak> oh yeah, not to mention driving to find points, etc
[17:44] <traeak> i think we finally were able to convince all our customers to do double survey, survey points in tight pairs to help with debugging shit points
[17:44] <traeak> which are pretty common and unfortunately treated as godlike even if they are shit
[17:44] <traeak> as in wrong
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[17:46] <traeak> since we do precisoin work that involves combining multiplesensor inputs into a precision product we end up bearing the brunt of the "sorting out the shit" work
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[18:00] <niston> the Pi is a CPU with Memory and a serial link (USB).
[18:01] <niston> that sounds eerily transputer-like :P
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[18:13] <plm> Hi all
[18:13] <plm> Anyone know if is possible to use pi cameras with pi zero?
[18:14] <gordonDrogon> plm, not possible - the connections aren't brough out from the SoC.
[18:14] <plm> :(
[18:14] <plm> gordonDrogon: thanks
[18:15] <gordonDrogon> niston, transputers had 4 full duplex serial links - only 10Mb/sec IIRC.
[18:15] <gordonDrogon> they might have been 20.. it's been a long time :)
[18:15] <niston> gordonDrogon: but hey, now we know, it was INMOS that made the T800! :D
[18:16] <niston> ad NOT cyberdyne systems :P
[18:16] <gordonDrogon> inmos. yes....
[18:16] <gordonDrogon> I worked with the chap who designed the floating point unit on them too. clever chap.
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[18:16] <plm> gordonDrogon: are there USB cameras cheap and good like as pi cameras to use with pi zero?
[18:16] <niston> gordonDrogon: those chips cant be had anymore, can they?
[18:17] <gordonDrogon> plm, sorry - it's something I don't really know anything about - I've never bought a USB camera...
[18:17] <gordonDrogon> niston, highly unlikely although the xmos stuff is similar I'm told...
[18:17] <B0g4r7_> I've not had great luck with usb cams, but then it's also been 10 yrs since I fooled w/ them.
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[18:18] <B0g4r7_> And I had even worse luck with IP cams, when it came to compatibility.
[18:20] <Chillum> ip cams are always security nightmares
[18:21] <Chillum> I ahve never seen on that is not trivial to hack into
[18:21] <niston> ah! hehe http://www.ebay.ie/itm/1Stuck-1-piece-IMST225-J25S-16-bit-TRANSPUTER-33ns-intern-cycle-time-INMOS-NEW-/281556792882
[18:22] <Chillum> Transputer? Is that what they called a SoC in the old days?
[18:22] <B0g4r7_> Not real surprising. They didn't seem to put hardly any effort into the software side of things.
[18:22] <niston> there's a T805 for 320 EUR on ebay
[18:22] <niston> haha xD
[18:22] <niston> but hey! its 32bit :D
[18:22] <Chillum> that is a lot of bits
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[18:23] <niston> well there's really a lot of transputer chips to be had on 123
[18:23] <B0g4r7_> They'd work with the included ActiveX-based software, and that was it. No support for RTSP or anything else standard.
[18:23] <niston> Chillum: yeah they were sort of integrated, but their most prominent feature was "fast" (for the day) serial links on them.
[18:23] <niston> you could interconnect them that way
[18:24] <niston> and build an MP supercomputer
[18:24] <niston> you'd then program the whole thing with something like OCCAM
[18:24] <niston> hah theres even an ISA mainboard on the bay
[18:24] <niston> with 8 slots for TRAMs
[18:25] <niston> $699.90, a steal!
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[18:25] * gordonDrogon shudders... OCCAM ... )-:
[18:25] <gordonDrogon> I did almost all my transputer programming in C.
[18:25] <BurtyB> back in the day even maplin sold books on the transputer :)
[18:26] <niston> look at that, there's an ALTERA chip on that board http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/ODU0WDEyODY=/z/F-kAAOSwsB9V-VUU/$_57.JPG
[18:26] <niston> PLA or GAL or whatever it was back in the day
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[18:26] <gordonDrogon> it was a very innovating chips for the time.
[18:27] <B0g4r7_> Someone didn't wanna wait on a fab for custom silicon.
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[18:27] <BurtyB> or wasn't rich enough
[18:27] <plm> Just o clarify, pi2 and pi2 support just one connector to camera, pi zero no support camera and pi module support two.
[18:27] <plm> That's is correct
[18:28] <gordonDrogon> yup.
[18:28] <niston> by pi2 and pi2 you mean pi1 and pi2 ?
[18:28] <plm> gordonDrogon: ok, in the module, can I use two cameras simultaneously?
[18:28] <niston> rofl http://www.ebay.ie/itm/Inmos-IMSB014-1C-IMSB014-VME-carrier-board-with-4-IMSB427-transputer-modules-/321361674279
[18:28] <gordonDrogon> plm, I don't think so. the software allows you to select which camers to take stills or video from.
[18:29] <niston> now thats a bargain
[18:29] <gordonDrogon> however I've no idea what happens if you run 2 copies of e.g. raspivid in different windows...
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[18:30] <gordonDrogon> niston, wow - that's T805's. I think they were 1-bit faster per link.
[18:30] <plm> hmmm
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[18:30] <niston> yeah. the entire thing looks liek a board that goes into a VAX or something.
[18:30] <gordonDrogon> it probably did.
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[18:31] <niston> data acquisition or something, by the looks of the ports on it
[18:31] <gordonDrogon> wish I'd kept some old Meiko hardware, but I have nothing at all.
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[18:32] <plm> gordonDrogon: well, if I can to change from cam1 to cam2 in less than 500ms, I can simulate that I'm recording both cameras simultanously. will be 1fps each one
[18:32] <B0g4r7_> I have some old radio boards here with Xilinx fpga's on 'em.
[18:32] <gordonDrogon> plm, possibly. I've no 1st hand experience (although I do have a CM and 2 cameras)
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[18:33] <B0g4r7_> Depends how the bus is done. It might work.
[18:34] <niston> gordonDrogon: a single T805 goes for EUR650
[18:34] <niston> you might be rich by now, had you kept a few of them :P
[18:34] <plm> gordonDrogon: well, I Think really that 1 fps is low for me. :( Is possible to use check this in you CM? :)
[18:35] <gordonDrogon> plm, no - sorry - I can't wire it up right now.
[18:35] <plm> gordonDrogon: on google are not about CM and two cameras - simultaneously
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[18:35] <plm> ok
[18:35] <gordonDrogon> mostly because I only have one camera cable.
[18:36] <plm> all right, I will to try send a email to raspberry org
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[18:42] <gordonDrogon> best to post on the forums.
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[18:43] <gordonDrogon> or if shiftplusone is about he might know...
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[18:44] <shiftplusone> What do I know?
[18:45] <gordonDrogon> can you use 2 cameras on a CM at the same time?
[18:45] <shiftplusone> yes, at reduced resolution and/or framerate
[18:46] <shiftplusone> Not 1080p at whatever the default fps is on both
[18:46] <gordonDrogon> plm, did you get that?
[18:47] <gordonDrogon> oh well, thanks.
[18:47] <shiftplusone> delete a file a spent all of today working on...... thank god for grep. Grepped through the raw disk device and found it....
[18:47] <shiftplusone> that was..... a relief
[18:47] <gordonDrogon> indeed!
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[18:57] <niston> gordonDrogon: you worked with Gerry Talbot ?
[18:57] <gordonDrogon> niston, yes.
[18:58] <niston> apparently, HyperTransport was based on or rather heavily influenced by his work.
[18:58] <gordonDrogon> so I've heard ...
[18:59] <gordonDrogon> He headed up the team that went to the US - I worked over there for 3 years then came back to the UK - he and a bunch of others stayed on over there.
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[19:07] <pyroxide> u win lottery u buy 1 million Pis
[19:07] <gordonDrogon> I win lottery, I buy no Pi's ...
[19:07] <pyroxide> odroids?
[19:08] <t3chguy> gordonDrogon: you could always buy a factory and use it to make Pis
[19:08] <pyroxide> um.....cubieboards?
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[19:08] <gordonDrogon> sure, but I have enough - for now.
[19:08] <pyroxide> lol k-lines
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[19:09] <niston> https://sites.google.com/site/transputeremulator/
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[19:11] <gordonDrogon> I can only think .... why?
[19:11] <niston> nostalgia :)
[19:11] <gordonDrogon> yea, good effort though.
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[19:12] <pyroxide> ODROID-XU4 master race
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[19:14] <t3chguy> hmm, I should grab one of those XU4's, looks neat
[19:15] <pyroxide> yeah. i just saw them yesterday and was wondering if they could do what pi could not.
[19:15] <t3chguy> not as friendly a price
[19:15] <t3chguy> definitely a nice bit of kit though
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[19:15] <pyroxide> twice the computing power, usb 3.0, gigabit ethernet
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[19:15] <t3chguy> I'm starting to regret running an F3 test on a 128GB SD Card, its taking its time
[19:16] <pyroxide> price is justifiable
[19:16] <t3chguy> pyroxide: twice as much ram and cores as the Pi2B
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[19:17] <plm> gordonDrogon: sorry for the long time. No, I don't get yet the CM + kit + two cameras. But I would like to know if works before I buy it.
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[19:19] <t3chguy> plm: "17:45:40 shiftplusone ‖ yes, at reduced resolution and/or framerate"
[19:19] <gordonDrogon> plm, read the scroll-back. the answer is yes, but at a limited rate to run both at the same time.
[19:19] <t3chguy> ^
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[19:21] <pyroxide> that odroid xu4 required 5V 4A
[19:21] <pyroxide> very cool, though
[19:21] <Tenkawa> ouch
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[19:22] <Tenkawa> fair amount of current
[19:22] <pyroxide> it's octacore though
[19:23] <Tenkawa> true
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[19:32] <jamesaxl> hi
[19:32] <Bilby> o/
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[19:32] <jamesaxl> i have a power 12V 3A and box 12v 5A, can i plug the power without any problem?
[19:32] <ppq> ?
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[19:33] <myself> can you be more clear?
[19:33] <ppq> if the device draws more current than the power supply can handle you may run into voltage drops
[19:33] <ppq> which is not desirable
[19:35] <jamesaxl> i have a device that need 19V 5A and i have a power 12v 3a, could I make the device works without any problem?
[19:35] <myself> no.
[19:35] <Bilby> jamesaxl: you need 5V DC, at least 500ma
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[19:36] <myself> if your device wants 19v 5a, then your power supply should be rated for 19v and 5a or greater
[19:36] <jamesaxl> myself, i am sory Bilby
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[19:36] <jamesaxl> i have a device that need 12v 5A and i have a power 12v 3a, could I make the device works without any problem?
[19:36] <plm> gordonDrogon: t3chguy ohh.. I see now, sorry :) That is great.
[19:36] <plm> I will to buy it :)
[19:36] <Bilby> jamesaxl: ah, okay
[19:37] <Bilby> if your device needs 5 A you need to supply at least 5 A
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[19:37] <Bilby> you can have more than you need ie power supply is 10 A and device is 5 A
[19:37] <Bilby> but not the other way around
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[19:37] <TrekBike> 5A seems like a lot of power.
[19:37] <myself> I keep forgetting that "the internet lets people teach themselves all sorts of things" actually translates into "the internet lets people ask us stupid questions until they have a shaky understanding of all sorts of things"
[19:38] <Bilby> it depends on what he’s doing with it. A lot of 12V automobile devices draw more than that
[19:38] <TrekBike> I guess at 12V you need a lot more amps
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[19:38] <TrekBike> At 110-120V, 1-2A is more reasonable.
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[19:39] <Bilby> it’s all in what you’re doing haha
[19:39] <jamesaxl> myself, i know that the power will be burn if plug it with a device that have more A, but i ask here maybe someone had experience before
[19:39] <Bilby> vacuums, blenders, and washing machines all draw a lot due to the motor
[19:40] <jamesaxl> i know that the power will be very hot or damaged
[19:40] <TrekBike> I was just thinking, you typically have 150-200A total coming into your house, but thats also at 220V atleast in the US.
[19:40] <Bilby> jamesaxl: it won’t work, or if it works it will be a problem
[19:40] <Bilby> damage / destroy device, power supply, or both
[19:41] <TrekBike> The lovely smell of smoe
[19:41] <TrekBike> smoke
[19:41] <Bilby> TrekBike: yeah… it’s all in what you’re doing though. interestingly power need for computers has gone way down in recent years due to proliferation of laptops and tablets
[19:41] <pyroxide> i've run automotible windhield wiper motor with a lower amperage and the power adapter did not last long
[19:41] <jamesaxl> Bilby, i see :) i get the final answer, i should buy new one :D
[19:42] <Bilby> yes :)
[19:42] <TrekBike> Bilby; But they keep pushing desktop power supplies higher and higher, up to 1200W
[19:42] <Bilby> marketing numbers, mostly :P
[19:43] <pyroxide> all about the amperage on the 12V rail.
[19:43] <Bilby> and the ones that actually can push that are aimed at entheusiasts haha
[19:43] <Bilby> your everyday person anymore might not even have a desktop at home
[19:43] <pyroxide> i am using a 600W SFX form factor PSU
[19:43] <TrekBike> I have all Macs at home. They use laptop components for everything thats not a Mac Pro.
[19:43] <pyroxide> little thing is cute and does its job
[19:44] <Bilby> The desktop i have at home is a dell i got from a client at random, and it’s all stock
[19:44] <TrekBike> Well I do have the one Zotax ZBox running Linux as a video/file server
[19:44] <Bilby> I’d be down to build a new machine but meh, right now i need a new laptop more than a new desktop
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[19:45] <Bilby> I have way more fun with a silly $35 computer or four :3
[19:46] <pyroxide> i want a laptop from http://www.xoticpc.com/
[19:46] <TrekBike> I was thinking that you could use the electrical boxes that are put in the walls for light switches to embed the RPi's
[19:47] <Bilby> what kind of project are you thinking?
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[19:47] <TrekBike> Right now I am playing around with motion sensors and cameras
[19:47] <Bilby> I don’t think a single-gang box will fit a pi, even a zero (too tall) but a double-gang would definitely fit a zero+ power supply
[19:47] <Bilby> ah neat
[19:47] <Bilby> I did a project where i mounted a bunch of LCD screens on walls with Pis behind
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[19:48] <TrekBike> Friend of mine did that it shows weather, has an RSS reader, a few other things
[19:48] <Bilby> unfortunately the outlet + USB port combo we bought didn’t supply very good DC voltage so lots of problems with SD card corruption :(
[19:48] <TrekBike> I was looking at the LiPo battery and charger circuits to act as a form of UPS
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[19:49] <TrekBike> Use a dremmel to cut nice holes in blank wall plates
[19:50] <TrekBike> so that I can play with my Pi while at work, I am using the Pi's camera to look at the LEDs wired to the breadboard so I can see the results of my actions.
[19:50] <Bilby> yeah, i had that idea for a cordless Pi. give me a sec of afk and i can send you the most likely looking circuit
[19:51] <TrekBike> AdaFruit, Spark, and Seeed have LiPro charge controllers and batteries.
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[19:55] <pyroxide> Pi3 - quad core 1.4 GHz, 2 GB RAM, USB3.0, built-in wifi
[19:56] <pyroxide> plz gib
[19:56] <Chillum> wifi built in would create a lot of certification issues for them
[19:56] <pyroxide> o?
[19:56] <Chillum> though it sure would be hanyd
[19:56] <Bilby> TrekBike: I like this one because it’s designed specifically for UPS functions: https://www.pi-supply.com/product/ups-pico-uninterruptible-power-supply-hat/?v=7516fd43adaa
[19:57] <TrekBike> Hold on, work is getting in the way of IRC
[19:57] <Bilby> np haha
[19:58] <pyroxide> that's a cool little USP board
[19:58] <pyroxide> UPS*
[19:58] <t3chguy> I just use a 10Ah Power Bank as a little UPS, no automatic poweroff though
[19:59] <t3chguy> cost me like a fiver from banggood
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[20:00] <pyroxide> honestly I want to see the Pi become more powerful for web browsing
[20:00] <Bilby> i’ve been looking for something with auto shut-down and with a charge circuit - making a handheld
[20:01] <t3chguy> Bilby: you could always just stick an ADC onto a power bank that you remove from its shell, and have the Pi poll it periodically
[20:01] <t3chguy> or even, use the Power bank's own charge indicator
[20:01] <t3chguy> and when the last LED starts flashing
[20:01] <t3chguy> begin shutdown procedures
[20:01] <Bilby> haha true
[20:01] <Bilby> the boards built for PI use aren’t expensive though and I know they work xD
[20:01] <Bilby> that’s phase 2
[20:01] <pyroxide> i thought about taking my bank apart and doign that same thing, t3chguy
[20:01] <Bilby> anyway… phase 1 is getting it working corded
[20:01] <t3chguy> lol pyroxide
[20:01] <t3chguy> I just realised
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[20:02] <t3chguy> I may have poured something that dissolved the casing of one of my power banks
[20:02] <t3chguy> so I have its content on my desk
[20:02] <t3chguy> seems perfect for this
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[20:03] <t3chguy> it has a charge indicator, so either run a tranny or a photoisolator off of it and I can auto shutdown the pi
[20:03] <Bilby> a lot of those power banks have AA-type Li-Ions, right?
[20:03] <t3chguy> Bilby: most use Lithiums
[20:03] <t3chguy> Lithium Polymer cells are all I've ever encountered in "sealed" power banks
[20:03] <t3chguy> I don't own any of those, stick your own AAs in,
[20:04] <t3chguy> though you can get stick you own 18650 cells in
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[20:04] <t3chguy> a lot of non-slim power banks use 18650 cells
[20:04] <t3chguy> actually, 18650s might be Lithium Ion
[20:05] <t3chguy> so yeah, you're right
[20:05] <t3chguy> you just confused me with AA-type
[20:05] <t3chguy> 18650s should not be confused with AA batteries xD
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[20:06] <Bilby> lol
[20:06] <Bilby> i didn’t have the number off the top of my head
[20:06] <Bilby> “cylindrical"
[20:06] <t3chguy> nearly 3 times the voltage at optimum
[20:06] <t3chguy> that'd not end well for your chosen AA device
[20:07] <t3chguy> though 18650s are larger and wouldn't fit
[20:07] <Bilby> 18650s is what i was thinking of
[20:08] <TrekBike> I hate when support tickets come in "Volume sees low, can you tell us why?"
[20:08] <Bilby> i’d want pillow-style cells, project will be using the raspberry pi touchscreen so i want it as thin as possible
[20:08] <t3chguy> I tried buying some 18650s off eBay, often were 90% flour
[20:08] <t3chguy> 10% smaller Li-Ion cell inside housing
[20:08] <Bilby> ew
[20:08] <TrekBike> t3chguy: I think i saw them on SparkFun
[20:08] <Bilby> i almost never buy from ebay anymore, unless i can’t find another source
[20:09] <Bilby> too many outright scams, too much chinesium
[20:09] <t3chguy> TrekBike: I can get them at any of the local E-Cig shops
[20:09] <t3chguy> since most E-Cigs use 18650s
[20:09] <Bilby> I really wish the zero had the touchscreen header :( it would be completely perfect for me otherwise
[20:09] <t3chguy> and they sell legic Panasonic and Samsung 18650s
[20:09] <t3chguy> legit*
[20:09] <Bilby> but i don’t think it’s worth the bother of going to an HDMI touchscreen just to keep using the zero since the A+ is low current and almost as small a footprint
[20:09] <t3chguy> Bilby: that woudl be pretty cool
[20:10] <t3chguy> s/woudl/would
[20:10] <t3chguy> I guess Zero is more IoT focussed
[20:10] <Bilby> yeah
[20:10] <t3chguy> then again a touchscreen can definitely be useful in an IoT interaction project
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[20:10] <Bilby> well, and they had to be minimal to hit that price point so why not drop circuitry that only a small percentage of people used
[20:10] <t3chguy> it could be the means of controlling the rest of the system
[20:11] <t3chguy> was it additional circuitry or was it just tracks straight off the SoC?
[20:11] <Bilby> the fact that it has HDMI means you could pretty easily use a large number of screens with it
[20:11] <Bilby> not having the ZIF socket for the display only means you can’t use the official pi touchscreen with it
[20:11] <TrekBike> I just wish they would put WiFi+BT built into the board
[20:11] <t3chguy> TrekBike: the certification alone would probably double the price of the Zero xD
[20:12] <Bilby> t3chguy: hmm, not sure. iirc it’s run off of the SoC but you still have board space and the socket to deal with
[20:12] <t3chguy> Bilby: yeah ofc
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[20:12] <TrekBike> I would pay $5 more to have it built in.
[20:12] <t3chguy> TrekBike: but most people don't want it
[20:13] <t3chguy> so they chose to have it as cheap as possible
[20:13] <t3chguy> and make the WiFi+BT Available to those who want it via things like Pimoroni IoT pHat and regular USB Peripherals
[20:13] <TrekBike> So don't put it in the Zero, build it into the A and the B
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[20:14] <t3chguy> I think there should be a "high-end" Pi with that sort of stuff
[20:14] <t3chguy> like the next 2B
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[20:19] <TrekBike> USB bandwidth limitions definitely become an issue with USB2
[20:20] <Bilby> I wouldn’t mind a USB 3 bus, but that may not happen with that SoC
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[20:20] <TrekBike> Yeah, you need a faster SOC
[20:21] <Bilby> I wouldn’t mind it if the same group came out with a premium SoC system - even if it wasn’t really cross-compatible with the RasPi
[20:21] <Bilby> RasPi for cheap computing / IoT, higher end system for crazier things
[20:21] <t3chguy> Bilby: I guess there are other things for that though
[20:21] <t3chguy> such as ODroid
[20:21] <t3chguy> its possible that the foundation don't want to pursue these crazier things
[20:22] <TrekBike> I still think if you are targetting IoT applications you need the connectivity built into the SOC, not as an add on
[20:22] <Tachyon`> hey
[20:22] <Tachyon`> anyone got full speed amiga emulation running on a pi 2 at all?
[20:23] <t3chguy> ali1234: you around?
[20:24] <ali1234> yes
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[20:24] <TrekBike> Does anyone make a Pi power supply that you can wire bare 110V AC wiring and place that onto the pi so you don't have to go through a wall wort?
[20:24] <t3chguy> ali1234: was it you that suggested/wanted to use the USB Shim in a Female USB port as a no-cable MicroUSB Cable?
[20:24] <ali1234> yeah
[20:24] <t3chguy> ali1234: I tried using it with my phone
[20:24] <t3chguy> didn't work
[20:25] <t3chguy> I have 4 of those shims on the way xD
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[20:27] <t3chguy> ali1234: I can't figure out why it won't work
[20:27] <Bilby> t3chguy: that’s true, ODroid appears to be doing a good job of filling that medium market
[20:28] <ali1234> it's probably too loose
[20:28] <t3chguy> ali1234: it seems to be pulling 0.002A when there's a connection with my phone
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[20:28] <Bilby> TrekBike: I doubt it. too hard to isolate the high / low voltage
[20:28] <ali1234> maybe it is the OTG pin
[20:28] <t3chguy> okay, just tried it with a Power Bank
[20:28] <ali1234> otg-sense - it might be wrong
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[20:28] <t3chguy> and it shorted out my USB Power Meter
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[20:29] <Bilby> you’re always goign to have some sort of wall wart to knock it down to 5VDC
[20:29] <t3chguy> actually, hell
[20:29] <t3chguy> ali1234: its charging
[20:29] <ali1234> yeah it will
[20:29] <t3chguy> I wonder why my phone doesn't like it then
[20:29] <ali1234> the adapter sets otg-sense though so it makes the phone thing it is host
[20:29] <TrekBike> I've said for a while we need to switch home power from AC to DC. Practically everything in a house now converts from AC power to DC, and then uses it. If we had one ultra-efficient AC to DC converter in the house and distributed DC power throughout, it will really simplify things.
[20:30] <t3chguy> maybe the OTG Sense wire is telling my phone to not charge from it
[20:30] <TrekBike> And make Solar power easier to deal with.
[20:30] <t3chguy> ali1234: does that seem plausible ^
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[20:30] <ali1234> maybe
[20:30] <t3chguy> I'm drawing 2A from my Laptop LOL
[20:30] <t3chguy> since when do USB Ports on a Laptop provide that much current
[20:31] <ali1234> whether a device charges is up to the device
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[20:31] <ali1234> i have seen devices that won't charge with just a normal USB cable andneed a special one
[20:31] <t3chguy> ali1234: I know phones are able to switch their charge factor, so I assume no charge is an optoin
[20:31] <t3chguy> option*
[20:31] <t3chguy> like the Apple 4 resistor charger compatibility thing
[20:31] <t3chguy> to decide whether to charge or not
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[20:32] <t3chguy> huh
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[20:32] <t3chguy> how weird
[20:32] <t3chguy> using a short-ish thick (great for charging) cable instead of the Shim drops the Current down to 1.4A
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[20:34] <Bilby> TrekBike: the problem with DC is it has horrible efficiency over distance
[20:34] <Bilby> You’d have to use much larger wires in houses
[20:34] <ali1234> t3chguy: 2.5 ohms vs 3.5 ohms will do that
[20:35] <Bilby> not to mention who knows what voltage to use?
[20:35] <t3chguy> ali1234: actually even back on the shim it seems to be down a bit
[20:35] <t3chguy> maybe the lappy had enough of providing 2A xD
[20:35] <t3chguy> that's crazy high for a USB2 port
[20:35] <Bilby> i’d be good with hot points, like big converters that drop down to USB C (if it actually becomes universal)
[20:35] <ali1234> most of the resistance is caused by the connector contacts
[20:35] <t3chguy> ali1234: alright, well I have 4 shims on the way
[20:36] <t3chguy> need to find a nice 4 port hub
[20:36] <t3chguy> 4 MicroSDs
[20:36] <t3chguy> and then 4 Pi Zeros xD
[20:38] * Bilby wishes someone had started making various modules for the dev board
[20:39] <Bilby> like if i could order a connector that was usb / power / video for portable devices, or usb hub / ethernet / gpio for robotics
[20:39] <t3chguy> lol ali1234, got a Zero hanging out of my laptop connected via the Shim
[20:39] <t3chguy> drawing 170mA peak
[20:40] <t3chguy> hmmm
[20:40] <t3chguy> no Serial and Ethernet Ifaces shown up on my Lappy
[20:41] <Bilby> going via the OTG? have to have the software set up to do that, don’t you?
[20:41] <Bilby> or does raspibian default that way
[20:41] <t3chguy> Bilby: already had it up and running that way
[20:41] <t3chguy> though I did just clone the SD
[20:41] <gsora> do the otg port powers the zero too?
[20:41] <t3chguy> huh
[20:41] <t3chguy> gsora: yes
[20:41] <t3chguy> with a reg cable it worked
[20:42] <gsora> niiiiice!
[20:42] <Bilby> that is awesome and i couldn’t figure out if it was true before
[20:42] <t3chguy> Lappy just activated the G_Ether Ethernet configuration
[20:42] <gsora> now i only need a usb ttl cable
[20:42] <t3chguy> so it looks as if the shim isn't working
[20:42] <t3chguy> for Data purposes
[20:42] <Bilby> o_o
[20:42] <t3chguy> how strange
[20:42] <t3chguy> could be too loose for a female port
[20:43] <Bilby> hashtag that’s what she said
[20:43] <t3chguy> D
[20:43] <t3chguy> xD*
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[20:45] <t3chguy> gonna try again, different Female USB port
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[20:46] <t3chguy> alright, got a bit of card behind the shim
[20:46] <t3chguy> to push the contacts a bit more
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[20:46] <thehebs> hey guys, i bought a pi a while back to use with octoprint for my 3d printer, but i also have several other things i wanna do with it
[20:46] <thehebs> for now i just wanna get it setup with ubuntu, win 10 and kodi
[20:47] <thehebs> and i want to plug it up to my KVM switch for use my main monitor, mouse, and keyboard
[20:47] <thehebs> my kvm only has vga
[20:47] <thehebs> will this work fine? http://www.amazon.com/VicTsing-Gold-Plated-1080P-Adapter-Converter/dp/B00YC7U0NE/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1452714378&sr=1-1-spons&keywords=hdmi+to+vga&psc=1
[20:47] <gsora> noob question: how the raspi handles time?
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[20:48] <Bilby> thehebs: reviews say yes - http://www.amazon.com/VicTsing-Gold-Plated-1080P-Adapter-Converter/product-reviews/B00YC7U0NE/ref=cm_cr_pr_viewopt_kywd?ie=UTF8&showViewpoints=1&sortBy=helpful&pageNumber=1&filterByKeyword=raspberry
[20:48] <t3chguy> ali1234: I think the shim won't work for this
[20:48] <t3chguy> it is probably forcing the pi into Host mode
[20:48] <ali1234> yeah but you can make the pi ignore the otg pin
[20:49] <t3chguy> do tell
[20:49] <t3chguy> how?
[20:49] <t3chguy> kernel modifications?
[20:49] <ali1234> sure
[20:49] <thehebs> cool thanks Bilby
[20:49] <t3chguy> effort
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[20:50] <Bilby> np
[20:51] <thehebs> https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-EwdqS1UPyRM/VpaBpd3WQrI/AAAAAAAAZNc/T-IuM2ZtaK4/s912-Ic42/DSC09571.JPG
[20:51] <thehebs> 'murica
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[20:54] <deshipu> should be printed in one piece around a board ;)
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[20:54] <JK-47> width of the extruder would be an issue.
[20:55] <Bilby> I like the quality of that design
[20:55] <JK-47> you CAN sort of do it, if you drop it in before the top layer is printed though. but you would get a ton of droop.
[20:55] <t3chguy> JK-47: not if you build a grid support on the Pi itself :P
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[20:56] <t3chguy> you'd have to drop it in perfectly though
[20:56] <t3chguy> just before the supports are due to be built
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[20:56] <thehebs> i wanna remix this one for an i/o hole
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[20:57] <thehebs> he has another top with a hole for i/o ports, but not with the pi logo
[20:57] <JK-47> it would be pretty difficult. your grid would have to be reserved almost completely for the middle.
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[20:57] <JK-47> i guess you could bridge the width of the gpios or hdmi +3mm
[20:57] <JK-47> ill give it a go
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[21:00] <t3chguy> well JK-47, you could first print something that fits on the pi to add a flat surface for the case's grid to go on
[21:00] <t3chguy> to make it easier
[21:00] <t3chguy> then you'd have a "loose" piece in the middle but on the outside it'd look solid
[21:00] <JK-47> id print upside down i think.
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[21:01] <JK-47> that would be much easier.
[21:01] <t3chguy> true
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[21:04] <t3chguy> okay crap
[21:04] <t3chguy> I think I broke something
[21:04] <t3chguy> gotta love the rainbow cube of DEATH
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[21:06] <t3chguy> hmm
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[21:12] <t3chguy> wrong branch of kernel -_-
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[21:28] <ldiamond> Would it be possible to have gb ethernet through SPI/UART on the pi 2?
[21:29] <Bilby> SPI and UART are both much more slow than the USB bus
[21:30] <TrekBike> And the USB bus is only 480Mbps shared accross all ports.
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[21:31] <ppq> USB is by far the fastest interface you can use for bidirectional and multi-purpose data transfer on a pi
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[21:32] <ppq> + external
[21:34] <BurtyB> sdio is probably as good as you'd get off the gpio if you can find one in an arc somewhere
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[21:34] <NightHawk877> Hi
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[21:35] <ali1234> ppq: the SMI interface is probably faster
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[21:41] <whitby> Hey folks, I'm running into a small issue and I was wondering if anyone had ideas about how to debug it. I've loaded a SD card with the Raspbian Jessie Lite image, mounted it on a Linux box, added a line to the /boot/config.txt file, and booted a Pi with it, but the changes to the config.txt file don't appear
[21:41] <whitby> I was thinking that the "first" boot might be special in that it overwrites the config.txt file, but Google tells me otherwise
[21:42] <whitby> I feel like it's the issue described here: https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?p=137944
[21:43] <whitby> But that post seems kind of old to be relevant
[21:43] <whitby> Anyone have an idea about how to track this down?
[21:44] <traeak> did you save the file? :-p
[21:44] * NightHawk877 has had many days where he has forgotten to save text files.
[21:45] <traeak> hopefully you didn't corrupt the file with DOS crlf ?
[21:45] <ldiamond> Anyone here have both a rpi2 and a odroid c1+?
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[21:46] <whitby> traeak: yup, file saved, and I've confirmed that I can view the file post-edits
[21:46] <whitby> The note about the line endings is news to me, though I did edit it in vim
[21:46] <traeak> ahh that's good then
[21:46] <traeak> i can't help with anything but void linux tho
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[21:54] <shiftplusone> whitby: are you sure you're looking at the right partition?
[21:55] <whitby> I'm not sure I understand, what do you mean?
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[21:55] <shiftplusone> what exactly have you mounted on the linux box? what command did you use?
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[21:57] <whitby> ah, I (sort of following from http://raspberrypi.stackexchange.com/a/13138) mounted the 2nd partition in the list (the Linux one)
[21:58] <shiftplusone> need the first one
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[21:58] <shiftplusone> the fat16/32 one
[21:58] <whitby> I'll try that, thanks!
[21:59] <shiftplusone> no worries
[21:59] <shiftplusone> there's a problem with the image that the /boot files also exist on the linux partition. They do no harm other than waste space, but it needs fixing before the next image is out.
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[22:14] <NightHawk877> I finally finished my first Pi project. I built a weather station.
[22:15] <Bilby> nice! post pics and a description :)
[22:16] <shiftplusone> NightHawk877: is there a specific use in mind or for the weather station-ey-ness alone?
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[22:17] <NightHawk877> shiftplusone: I built it out of curiosity.
[22:18] <shiftplusone> excellent
[22:18] <TrekBike> I like the lightning detector project I saw someone do
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[22:20] <gordonDrogon> blitzortung ..
[22:20] <NightHawk877> I don't have a detector just yet, but I have the essentials.
[22:20] <gordonDrogon> http://www.blitzortung.org/en/page_0/index.php
[22:20] <gordonDrogon> last time I asked them about their kit, it was not available...
[22:21] <shiftplusone> if (true) printf ("Not struck by lightning (yet)\n"); ?
[22:22] <thehebs> osmc or openelec?
[22:22] <thehebs> go
[22:22] <shiftplusone> openelec
[22:23] <gordonDrogon> I have a dvd player and a tube tv ...
[22:23] <thehebs> i was just watching a tutorial on installing noobs and the guy said osmc is the newer version of kodi?
[22:23] <shiftplusone> No
[22:23] <shiftplusone> kodi is the newer version XBMC
[22:23] <shiftplusone> OSMC is a complete re-do of raspbmc
[22:23] <thehebs> yea i know that, been running xbmc since 2002
[22:23] <thehebs> ah o
[22:23] <thehebs> k
[22:23] <thehebs> worth installing?
[22:24] <thehebs> (in noobs menu, bout to hit next)
[22:24] <shiftplusone> Maybe... I haven't tried it.
[22:24] <NightHawk877> I didn't have to do any drilling. Everything is wireless.
[22:24] <thehebs> is win10 not available on noobs yet?
[22:24] <shiftplusone> Not yet
[22:25] <thehebs> it is available though right?
[22:25] <thehebs> is it a pain in the ass to install AFTER I install all these OS's in noobs?
[22:26] <shiftplusone> You have have a different sd card for it
[22:27] <thehebs> ah
[22:27] <thehebs> ok no biggie
[22:27] <shiftplusone> *can
[22:27] <thehebs> was just wanting to tinker with some obd2 datalogging in windows
[22:27] <shiftplusone> You could wait for the next release of NOOBS which might support windows 10
[22:27] <thehebs> eta?
[22:28] <thehebs> (i know i can google all this, but thanks for the answers)
[22:28] <shiftplusone> It's software, so.... "when it's ready"
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[22:29] <thehebs> lol aight thanks
[22:29] <whitby> shiftplusone: worked perfectly, thanks again!
[22:29] <shiftplusone> No worries
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[22:33] <shiftplusone> Any people who use java on the pi? new java packages could use some testing
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[22:34] <shiftplusone> ah well.... hello world works, ship it.
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[22:35] <djhworld> i have a few java things running on my pi 1
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[22:36] <shiftplusone> any chance you could give these a pin? https://repo.xecdesign.com/tmp/oracle-java7-jdk_7u60_armhf.deb https://repo.xecdesign.com/tmp/oracle-java8-jdk_8u65_armhf.deb
[22:37] <shiftplusone> *spin
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[22:38] <djhworld> i would, but I have a few services on here that I'd rather not disrupt right now. good luck anyway!
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[22:39] <shiftplusone> heh
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[22:49] <Tenkawa> brb.. i think
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[22:51] <Tenkawa> yay it worked
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[22:57] <c0mm0n_cents> udp
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[22:58] <ldiamond> When will we see a USB3.0 GbE Raspberry Pi?
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[23:00] <Bilby> one would like, but unless they’re moving to a different SoC it’s not going to happen
[23:01] <ldiamond> I'd buy an odroid but I fear there won't be as many people writing stuff for it
[23:01] <ldiamond> and it'll fall behind in terms of updates quite quickly
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[23:03] <Tenkawa> ldiamond: what kind of updates?
[23:03] <ldiamond> Tenkawa: kernel
[23:03] <ldiamond> firmware
[23:04] <Tenkawa> nah... theres exynos stuff and such that are still getting kernel updates
[23:04] <Tenkawa> my primary box i use for devel is an old samsung chromebook 1
[23:04] <Tenkawa> and its running a 4.x kernel
[23:04] <Bilby> that’s why i want raspi foundation to build a pi ++, something between a Pi 2 and a PC
[23:04] <Bilby> because anything they release will be insta-popular and have good community support
[23:05] <Bilby> Having said that, i’m totally happy with their development cycle at the moment haha
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[23:05] <ldiamond> for me I mainly want faster IO. I use it to store backups from my desktop, I'd like it to be faster. I also use it as a HTPC
[23:06] <Tenkawa> Bilby: cant remember if I told you I was able to get a pi zero
[23:06] <Tenkawa> Bilby: it is neat
[23:06] <ldiamond> I guess the odroid c1+ could be a nice toy in the meantime
[23:06] <Bilby> hah, nice!
[23:06] <Bilby> It is super neat
[23:06] <yoosi> The feature creep is real
[23:06] <Tenkawa> yeah
[23:06] <yoosi> I don't see the Pi Foundation catering to USB 3, sata, etc any time soon
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[23:07] <yoosi> Their primary objective is to make computing accessible
[23:07] <Bilby> Last time i was in microcenter they had these accessory kits for the Zero: http://www.microcenter.com/product/458835/Raspberry_Pi_Zero_Accessory_Kit
[23:07] <Tenkawa> yoosi: I dont either and really no need to
[23:07] <Tenkawa> Bilby: yeah
[23:07] <Bilby> I was physically looking for them and it took several minutes of browsing before i realized there was actually a zero IN the kit
[23:07] <Bilby> it’s so small it’s more of an accessory than a computer xD very amazing
[23:07] <Tenkawa> hehehehe yep
[23:08] <pyroxide> steam link works gud, but needs controller profile customization for those of us with controllers inverior to the Steam Controller
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[23:08] <Bilby> cool man
[23:09] <Tenkawa> Bilby: ready for next round of snow?
[23:09] <Bilby> you shut your mouth
[23:09] <Tenkawa> its startedhere
[23:09] <Bilby> though i’d rather have snow than this cold
[23:09] <Tenkawa> just looked out and its snowing right now
[23:09] <Bilby> my sinuses were a hot mess this morning and don’t feel any better now
[23:09] <Bilby> I think i’m ordering pizza when i get home
[23:09] <Bilby> :(
[23:09] * Bilby is in basement, has no knowledge of outside world
[23:10] <Tenkawa> had pizza last night... it was good
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[23:13] <Bilby> I really want chinese food to smash this sinus thing before it becomes trouble, but the other half can’t have wheat products anymore and trying to explain that to someone who’s reach of english is limited is… challenging :|
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[23:14] <Tenkawa> ah
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[23:16] <MikeRL> I wonder how far I can go with SD Cards on the Pi. All documentation points to 32GB being the highest tested amount.
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[23:17] <Bilby> welp, i have 12 minutes to kill before i can leave. I think i’ll shut down here and take a couple laps of the building, make sure no one has their bleeping space heater directly behind their computer
[23:18] <MikeRL> But what about SDXC cards 64 gigs and up? 128? Or more? I know on Windows MS encourages exFAT for larger filesystems, but Linux doesn't care, and besides, the Pi isn't going to boot into exFAT, as far as I'm aware. I'm referring to the Pi 2 in this message.
[23:18] <MikeRL> I wonder if anyone has used a 64 gigabyte or larger SD card with it.
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[23:26] <Tenkawa> BRB
[23:26] <Tenkawa> oops
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[23:27] <MikeRL> I can't believe that so many people haven't bothered to increase their storage capacity so far.
[23:27] <Encrypt> Bilby, kill -9 twelveminutes
[23:27] <Encrypt> And you're done :]
[23:27] <MikeRL> It is a good way to future proof things. Because operating systems and software just keep getting bigger and bigger.
[23:27] <Encrypt> #EasyLifeHack
[23:28] <Bilby> Encrypt: lol
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[23:28] <Bilby> and actually i just spent the time answering a question on a forum. so hasta la pasta y’all… might be back on later
[23:28] <Tenkawa> ok better
[23:28] <Encrypt> o/ Bilby
[23:28] <MikeRL> Hasta la pasta? That's a new one.
[23:29] <ppq> MikeRL, a 30 second google search revealed that even large sd cards will work in the pi, take for example the sandisk 200 GB sd
[23:29] <MikeRL> You kidding me? I thought things would be more limited.
[23:30] <ppq> you just have to use a filesystem that is natively supported
[23:30] <ppq> or, should
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[23:37] <Kitt3n> MikeRL, fat32 will work fine on 64 gig cards, or bigger, since the partition is tiny, and the rest is usually ext4 :p
[23:38] <Kitt3n> only thing that CAN be a problem is if the hardware has limits :p
[23:39] <ppq> fat32 filesystems can have up to 8 TiB
[23:39] <ppq> the more relevant limit is the file size (4 GiB)
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[23:39] <ppq> or the number of files (a bit more than 200k)
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[23:49] <t3chguy> MikeRL: I personally use a 64 with my pi2,just because i had it lying around
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[23:49] <cluelessperson> Question
[23:49] <cluelessperson> I'm trying to make a script run at boot
[23:50] <Tenkawa> brb
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[23:50] <cluelessperson> I'm doing crontab -e /home/lights/random as root
[23:50] <t3chguy> cluelessperson: add it to /etc/rc.local
[23:50] <cluelessperson> t3chguy, I don't know how?
[23:50] <t3chguy> Edit the file I mentioned. And add your script there
[23:50] <t3chguy> It's the most reliable way to get something to run at boot
[23:51] <t3chguy> Before the exit statement in that file
[23:51] <cluelessperson> t3chguy, cool, rebooting
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[23:52] <cluelessperson> t3chguy, it doesn't seem to run.
[23:52] <Tenkawa> oh what fun weather... not
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[23:52] <t3chguy> Pastebin it
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[23:53] <cluelessperson> t3chguy, http://dpaste.com/35FWRRC
[23:54] <t3chguy> cluelessperson: what's the output of 'ls -la /home/lights/random' and the first few lines of the file itself?
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[23:59] <cluelessperson> t3chguy, http://dpaste.com/3AM49NM
[23:59] <t3chguy> cluelessperson: what about the output of the command

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