#raspberrypi IRC Log


IRC Log for 2016-01-14

Timestamps are in GMT/BST.

[0:00] <t3chguy> Actually
[0:00] <t3chguy> It probably runs
[0:00] <t3chguy> But because it's not in that dir while running
[0:00] <t3chguy> The "./..." fails
[0:00] <cluelessperson> ah
[0:00] <t3chguy> Change it to an absolute path
[0:01] <cluelessperson> t3chguy, it works! :D
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[0:02] <t3chguy> Great!
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[0:05] <cluelessperson> t3chguy, :D
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[0:24] <pyroxide> projector screens are measured by width, right?
[0:25] <pyroxide> crap they're measured diagonal...why.jpg
[0:26] <Berg> is crap a technical term?
[0:27] <pyroxide> yes. in fact some of them on amazon say 4K
[0:27] <pyroxide> lol
[0:27] <pyroxide> idiots
[0:27] <plm> gordonDrogon: wow, CM dev kit is $100 :( Is cheaper to buy two rpi2 in total $70
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[0:44] <Bilby> ugh. sinuses, you are the worst.
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[0:46] <yoosi> https://learn.adafruit.com/turning-your-raspberry-pi-zero-into-a-usb-gadget?view=all
[0:46] <yoosi> So with HID gadget module you could use the Pi Zero as a "Rubber Ducky" right?
[0:47] <Bilby> a rubber ducky?
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[0:49] <yoosi> http://usbrubberducky.com/#!index.md
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[0:50] <yoosi> From the computer's perspective it's like any other USB keyboard with someone typing but it's all automated
[0:51] <Bilby> ah, haha
[0:51] <Bilby> yes, it can show up as an HID so it can do that
[0:51] <Bilby> you can also do that with an arduino with your own code
[0:52] <yoosi> I'm aware. It's fun playing with new platforms though
[0:52] <Bilby> This is what I think of as a rubber ducky: http://www.americanradiosupply.com/handheld-antennas/
[0:52] <Bilby> aha, aye ;)
[0:52] <yoosi> I can see connecting to this via SSH and injecting keystrokes
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[0:53] <yoosi> Would make for a fun prank between friends
[0:53] <yoosi> Bilby: I'm dipping my toes into amateur radio. I know what you mean
[0:53] <Bilby> better, run an http server and make a web page :P
[0:53] <yoosi> Just got a Baofeng UV-5R
[0:53] <yoosi> Give the URL to your coworkers and have them press buttons to mess with someone
[0:53] <Bilby> I don’t know if i like or dislike that the Baofeng’s and such weren’t available when i started out
[0:54] <Bilby> on the one hand the barrier to getting a radio is crazy lower
[0:54] <yoosi> I sysadmin. I'd hate seeing something like a USB rubber ducky used as a prank in my office
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[0:54] <Bilby> lol
[0:55] <Bilby> I’m more worried about malware keys with keyloggers and such
[0:55] <yoosi> Bilby: I appreciate the low cost barrier and it makes a decent emergency radio for camping and whatnot
[0:55] <Bilby> you could make a keylogger with the pi zero...
[0:55] <Bilby> yeah
[0:56] <yoosi> Any sysadmin worth his/her salt is managing foreign USB devices already. Emulating a HID device circumvents a lot of security
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[0:58] <Bilby> if you inserted this between the keyboard and system the system would never know :D
[0:58] <Bilby> you could use it to cap mouse & keyboard and really know what’s going on
[0:58] <yoosi> That's how most hardware keyloggers work
[0:59] <yoosi> Some have a 3G connection to phone home
[0:59] <yoosi> Others log to flash memory and then the pen tester retrieves it later
[1:00] <yoosi> Hell, you could even install one *inside* a physical keyboard
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[1:06] <foul_owl> Can the rpi2 power an arduino (communication only), a web cam, and a wifi adapter without a powered hub?
[1:07] <foul_owl> Obviously it depends on the web cam, but speaking generally
[1:08] <Bilby> Is it providing power to the arduino or just communicating with it via GPIO?
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[1:09] <foul_owl> There is a RAMPS board on the arduino which has its own power supply, and the arudino turns on without the pi attached
[1:10] <foul_owl> But I'm not sure if the arduino is supposed to be powered through the ramps board
[1:10] <foul_owl> Let me investigate that
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[1:13] <Bilby> the pi -might- power a webcam and wifi through an unpowered up
[1:13] <Bilby> but it’s pretty darned current limited
[1:13] <Bilby> you only have ~ 200ma left if i remember right
[1:14] <foul_owl> Oh gotcha
[1:14] <foul_owl> Yeah that's pretty low current
[1:15] <Bilby> yeah
[1:15] <Bilby> you’re best to find a powered USB hub that takes 5V in (most of them) and just drive it off the same supply you use for the pi
[1:15] <foul_owl> Sounds good
[1:15] <Bilby> heck, you can use the powered hub to power the Pi if you want ;)
[1:16] <foul_owl> I'm trying to find the cheapest off the shelf hub that can supply enough current
[1:16] <foul_owl> I saw the page with the list of hubs
[1:16] <foul_owl> But it's sort of a mishmash of older tech, trying to find something I can buy from newegg
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[1:16] <foul_owl> So far this looks the best but shipping to USA might be high: http://thepihut.com/products/7-port-usb-hub-for-the-raspberry-pi
[1:17] <Bilby> not bad
[1:17] <Bilby> you can also clip the 5v lead on the USB wire
[1:18] <foul_owl> Wait, what do you mean?
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[1:26] <Bilby> sometimes there’s a problem if you power the pi from the same hub you have plugged in for USB devices because the power will back-feed
[1:26] <Bilby> you can clip the 5V wire on the usb data to prevent it
[1:27] <foul_owl> Ah, you clip D+ on the cable you use to power the pi?
[1:28] <Bilby> clip V+ on the cable to run data
[1:28] <Bilby> D+ is already not connected on the power usb ;)
[1:28] <foul_owl> Data doesn't need V+?
[1:29] <Bilby> not if i’s plugged into a powered hub - the hub provides all the power
[1:31] <foul_owl> Ah, the data cable from the pi to the hub, I gotcha!
[1:31] <foul_owl> Thanks!
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[1:32] <Bilby> welcome :)
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[2:57] <frigginglorious1> arch linux doesnt want to connect to wifi without some packages, and I cant download packages without a connection. anyone ever try loading arch packages onto a microSD from a seperate linux computer??
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[3:04] <David522> I figured you wanted a powered usb hub not a unpowered foul
[3:04] <David522> for the pi
[3:04] <David522> nm 7 port powered USB hub it is
[3:04] <David522> just doesnt show it in the screenshot
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[3:07] <The_Letter_M> frigginglorious1, have you tried mounting and chrooting into it?
[3:07] <The_Letter_M> I dunno if that will work with an SD, but it's worth a try
[3:09] <frigginglorious1> The_Letter_M: would ubuntu allow me to install arch linux packages that way?
[3:09] <The_Letter_M> When you chroot, you'll be in an Arch system and using the tools within that root FS
[3:10] <frigginglorious1> David522: yeah, my pi zero needs a powered USB hub to connect both a keyboard and wifi antenna. I dont have one and its a huge pain in the ass :P
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[3:11] <cambazz> hello, my camera was working, and it is not working now. raspistill -o test.jpg causes the red led go on dimly, and then the program will complain from image not being received
[3:11] <frigginglorious1> The_Letter_M: oh, that could get funky. I didn't know it could work like that. that might be worth a shot, I will try it
[3:11] <cambazz> i did plugged it in the wrong way momentarily. could it be bacause of that?
[3:12] <The_Letter_M> Yeah. You'll just be in as root on that FS until you "exit" that terminal
[3:12] <The_Letter_M> And only within that terminal
[3:12] <The_Letter_M> It's like using single user mode
[3:14] <frigginglorious1> The_Letter_M: If it works, you will be my hero. I'm gonna eat dinner and read docs now :D
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[3:17] <frigginglorious1> The_Letter_M: looks like that method wont work directly because of binary execution and architectures and other things, but I'm thinking a VM would do it.
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[3:25] <The_Letter_M> Ahh. That sucks. It was worth a try though
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[3:50] <giddles> good morning
[3:50] <giddles> i have a tightvnc problem/question
[3:50] <giddles> all my rpis login @ pi, but only this pi logs in as root
[3:50] <giddles> why?
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[4:12] <giddles> no halp? :/
[4:12] <giddles> why did it open a rootshell @ termin over vnc
[4:13] <giddles> termin= terminal
[4:14] <JK-47> because vnc is probably running as root.
[4:14] <giddles> no it runs as pi :/
[4:14] <JK-47> not setuid?
[4:14] <giddles> setwhat?
[4:15] <JK-47> verify the pid the process is running under.
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[4:15] <giddles> nono the error must be in the initscript then
[4:15] <giddles> thanks for help
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[4:19] <giddles> problem fixed ;)
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[5:00] <H3ruS> Hi
[5:00] <H3ruS> i create a new image using ubuntu trusty
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[5:00] <H3ruS> how i create a img file
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[5:19] <needingsleep3> Hello.
[5:21] <H3ruS> Hello
[5:22] <chesty> can you explain the first part more? is trusty in a directory H3ruS?
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[5:37] <H3ruS> chesty: i found xD
[5:37] <H3ruS> thanks
[5:37] <sesquipedalian> so the rasp pi can be run from a power source that is a higher voltage and amperage right, and lower then recommended as well.
[5:37] <H3ruS> i build a new ubuntu image with ssh
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[5:51] <chesty> sesquipedalian: it needs to be within 5% of 5v, higher amps don't matter
[5:52] <giddles> can i undervolt the rpi2 more as it is displayed?
[5:54] <sesquipedalian> chesty: kk, do you think I could power both the pi and an exthdd from a usb hub. 2.0 spec is 5v I think
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[5:59] <chesty> sesquipedalian: yes, a usb hub is 5v, if the power light stays on, it's good, if it turns off, there's not enough power
[5:59] <chesty> that's for an rpi2
[6:01] <chesty> idk giddles, what i read was it needs to be 5v, if you can find official documentation from raspberrypi.org that says otherwise, trust that for sure
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[6:04] <giddles> its interesting if i could throttle it more down
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[6:18] <The_Letter_M> join #awk
[6:18] <The_Letter_M> Doh
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[6:27] <needingsleep3> I lost my Raspberry Pi charger, what's my cheapest option?
[6:27] <needingsleep3> When I say charger, I mean AC adapter /headdesk
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[6:33] <chesty> i use these http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/201196524921?_trksid=p2060353.m2749.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT
[6:35] <giddles> 700mah is needed? i got 2a or 2,5a 5v microusb loading stuff
[6:46] <chesty> i think for the rpi2, they recommend 1.2A, but it will work with less. you can get 1A chargers for $1, but those don't charge my phone, so I spent the extra buck for the 2A ones. the amp need to be at least xxxmA, they can be more, but not less. voltage is different, that needs to be 5v
[6:48] <chesty> the reason they recommend 1.2A, is so you can power some usb devices. but if you aren't powering usb devices, you can get away with 700mA
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[6:50] <chesty> less than 700mA and it might work, or worse, it might work 99.9% of the time, but once a month it might crash.
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[9:04] <Chillum> am I right that the usb micro power in port(pp1 and pp6) on the zero is the same line as the GPIO 5v and GND? My MM shows continuity between them
[9:05] <mgottschlag> yeah, like on the old pi, except that it doesn't have any fuse
[9:05] <Chillum> right that was the difference
[9:06] <Chillum> good, means I can power it via a hat
[9:06] <Chillum> I am designing a battery/boost/recharge board for the zero
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[9:50] <chesty> Chillum: what's the advantage of using the gpio pins over usb?
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[9:55] <shantorn> say is there such a thing as gpiozero package in arch for pi2?
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[10:27] <b00s3d> hi :)
[10:31] <b00s3d> i just installed raspbian on my raspberry using the dd command, and i just discovered that it ofcause didn't create more space on the microsd card then the image i cloned onto the microsd :P, anyway... i am connected with ssh to RPi and i was wondering if any of you guys could help me resize the partition on the microsd card, since i haven't found any good guide online for this remote operation
[10:31] <ShorTie> you can use raspi-config
[10:31] <b00s3d> to resize the partition?
[10:32] <ShorTie> Yuppers ... :)
[10:32] <b00s3d> ok Cool! can you tell me more :) ?
[10:32] <ShorTie> images never use the full size of a sdcard
[10:33] <ShorTie> a 'sudo raspi-config' it's like the 1st option
[10:33] <b00s3d> what will it do?
[10:34] <b00s3d> not that i am paranoid, i just would like to know what i am doing before doing it :P
[10:34] <ShorTie> nano -w /pathto/raspi-config will tell all
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[10:35] <b00s3d> ok, so what does your method do again? does it resize the partition?
[10:36] <b00s3d> or does it chagne something totally difference?
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[10:36] <ppq> b00s3d, it resizes both the partition and the filesystem that lives within
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[10:37] <ppq> usually it shouldn't be done online but since you are online expanding it you will be fine
[10:38] <b00s3d> ppq thanks for detailing that for me :)
[10:38] <ShorTie> "shouldn't be done online" ??
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[10:39] <b00s3d> wow they really thought about everything when they created the rappi, didn't they..
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[10:42] <ppq> ShorTie, "online" as in mounted (and that the currently running OS is in that filesystem). i took the term from resize2fs man page: "If the filesystem is mounted, it can be used to expand the size of the mounted filesystem, assuming the kernel and the file system supports on-line resizing. (Modern Linux 2.6 kernels will support on-line resize for file systems mounted using ext3 and ext4; ext3 file systems will require the use of file systems with
[10:42] <ppq> the resize_inode feature enabled.)"
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[10:43] <b00s3d> awesome
[10:44] <ShorTie> well, it does that portition when it is rebooting, so no, it's not online
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[10:45] <ppq> some funny stuff in there, too. "Note: when kilobytes is used above, I mean real, power-of-2 kilobytes, (i.e., 1024 bytes), which some politically correct folks insist should be the stupid-sounding ``kibibytes''. The same holds true for megabytes, also sometimes known as ``mebibytes'', or gigabytes, as the amazingly silly ``gibibytes''. Makes you want to gibber, doesn't it?"
[10:45] <ppq> ShorTie, good to know
[10:47] <Armand> I hate 1000-metrics on PC.
[10:47] <Armand> It's bunk.
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[10:48] <b00s3d> alright everything turned out well
[10:48] <b00s3d> thank you guys :)
[10:48] <BurtyB> ShorTie, are you sure it's not "online"? I'd expect it to be mounted to be able to use the resize2fs command.
[10:49] <ppq> Armand, i don't really care which it's going to be but it bothers me that there is no consensus
[10:49] <Armand> There IS consensus.. Base2.
[10:49] <Armand> Anything else can be dismissed.
[10:49] <ppq> :)
[10:50] <ShorTie> maybe, but really doesn't matter because if you resize it yourself you do it when 'online'
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[10:50] <ShorTie> after reboot to use new partition table that is
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[10:53] <BurtyB> ShorTie, yup - the only thing that sometimes needs a reboot from my experieince resizing VMs is the fdisk side of things
[10:54] <ppq> Armand, there are many strange things arising from that particular conflict/confusion. if you go and buy "8 GB" DDR3 DIMM, you will get anything but 8*2^30 bytes. usually it is roughly around 8*10^9 but often even less.
[10:54] <ppq> Armand, same thing goes for usb flash drives
[10:54] <ShorTie> but then again you can do that without a reboot too...
[10:54] <ppq> only the hard drive manufacturers stick to what the label says
[10:54] <BurtyB> ShorTie, sometimes it says it's busy and doesn't update tho
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[11:05] <plugwash> online expansion of ext* has been supported for years, I think it's reasonable to consider it a safe operation at this point
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[12:14] <sudomarize> how do i find the ip of my pi?
[12:14] <sudomarize> (don't have a screen)
[12:14] <ShorTie> l00k in the router .. :/~
[12:15] <sudomarize> ShorTie: i've only got a wireless connection and my pi doesn't have a wireless adapter, so i'm doing it through my laptop (via CAT 5)
[12:16] <chesty> what os is the laptop running?
[12:16] <sudomarize> chesty: ubuntu
[12:17] <sudomarize> i tried running "nmap -sn" but it didn't return any hosts
[12:17] <chesty> sweet, there's probably a shortcut with link local or ipv6 but i don't know them. so install dnsmasq and set up a dhcp server on eth0 on your laptop
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[12:19] <sudomarize> chesty: is this safe? read that you can take down network using dhcp
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[12:19] <meiamsome> sudomarize: click on the networking icon in the top bar -> connection info
[12:20] <sudomarize> meiamsome: ok
[12:20] <meiamsome> Ethernet connection -> IP Address: x.x.x.x
[12:20] <sudomarize> meiamsome: got it
[12:20] <meiamsome> then do in terminal nmap -sn x.x.x.x/24
[12:20] <sudomarize> meiamsome: did that, and it said it found 256 ips
[12:21] <sudomarize> meiamsome: well i used, not my ip
[12:21] <sudomarize> ill try my ip now, one sec
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[12:21] <meiamsome> The ethernet IP should be link-local if it's directly to the pi
[12:23] <sudomarize> meiamsome: this is what nmap returns: https://gist.github.com/anonymous/82047825266282ca9af4
[12:23] <sudomarize> meiamsome: two hosts up
[12:24] <meiamsome> One should be your IP , the other should be the pi
[12:24] <sudomarize> meiamsome: ah ok, so how can i find the pi IP?
[12:24] <meiamsome> did it not say something like "Nmap scan report for x.x.x.x"?
[12:25] <meiamsome> Try sudoing the nmap command if it did not
[12:25] <sudomarize> meiamsome: nope, returned only what was in that gist
[12:25] <sudomarize> ah ok
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[12:26] <sudomarize> meiamsome: updated results: https://gist.github.com/anonymous/71a7b89a688c7106ef90
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[12:27] <meiamsome> sudomarize: Looks like you're trying with the IP of your wireless adaptor, can you run "ifconfig eth0" ans then use the ip speciified there in nmap?
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[12:28] <sudomarize> meiamsome: doesn't return an IP for eth0, only a hardware address
[12:28] <chesty> out of the box, to ping a pi, you need a dhcp server. that's for ipv4. link local has its own range and isn't 192.168.0.x
[12:29] <meiamsome> chesty: do pis not autoconfigure to link local? sad
[12:29] * BurtyB would expect it to be in the range if you haven't configured an IP/dhcp for the interface
[12:30] <chesty> they might meiamsome, as BurtyB said, it's not 192.168.0.x
[12:30] <meiamsome> I would've thought, which is what I've experienced ubuntu assigning before
[12:30] <chesty> that's not a link local address
[12:30] <chesty> that's a normal private ip address range
[12:30] <Armand> 10. == private range
[12:30] <sudomarize> can setting up a dhcp server potentially bring down my network?
[12:30] <meiamsome> Ah actually, that may be one of my funky scripts that changes that
[12:30] <Armand> NetRange: -
[12:30] <Armand> CIDR:
[12:30] <chesty> sudomarize: yes, but you can mount the sd card on your laptop and set a static ip address
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[12:31] <sudomarize> chesty: maybe i'll do that then
[12:31] <meiamsome> sudomarize: You could try setting your eth as a bridge (or perhaps a bond) to your wifi in ubuntu so that your pi will get an IP off of that network (I think)
[12:32] <chesty> that's also a possibility
[12:32] <sudomarize> ok, how can i go about doing that?
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[12:33] <chesty> google ubuntu bridge wifi to ethernet -> 1st https://askubuntu.com/questions/359856/share-wireless-internet-connection-through-ethernet
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[12:35] <meiamsome> sudomarize: you don't need to do steps 6 onward in this case, get the IP and nmap that
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[12:39] <sudomarize> meiamsome: there's no new tab on the 'connection information' box
[12:39] <sudomarize> it's still only my wireless network
[12:39] <sudomarize> (cant see the new one i added)
[12:40] <meiamsome> sudomarize: You may need to select it on the networking menu at the top
[12:40] <meiamsome> As in, the one on the status bar
[12:40] <DrunkenDwarf> Hi all, I dont have my pi with me to try, but is it possible to restrict output to a section of the screen? add borders at the edge so to speak. I have a mounting that covers about half an inch to the left and right of the screens panel
[12:41] <sudomarize> meiamsome: doesn't appear there either
[12:41] <chesty> hmmm, that result is a few years old now, network manager might have changed a bit since then
[12:42] <meiamsome> I would try getting it working, but I haven't a cat 6 cable to hand
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[12:42] <chesty> sudomarize: did you give your eth0 an ip address before? how did you do that?
[12:43] <meiamsome> DrunkenDwarf: Maybe this will help: http://www.opentechguides.com/how-to/article/raspberry-pi/28/raspi-display-setting.html
[12:43] <meiamsome> DrunkenDwarf: The overscan settings, that is
[12:43] <sudomarize> chesty: my eth0 doesn't show an ip
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[12:43] <chesty> ok, i'm running debian gnome, not ubuntu unity, so I don't know if I can help. do you have a network icon in the settings app?
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[12:44] <DrunkenDwarf> meiamsome: thats perfect. thankyou very much
[12:44] <sudomarize> chesty: btw my distro is elementaryos, which is ubuntu-based, not sure if that would make a difference
[12:44] <chesty> nah sudomarize
[12:44] <sudomarize> ok
[12:44] <chesty> just open the settings app, can click the network icon
[12:45] <chesty> in the network screen, on the bottom left, is there a [+] button?
[12:46] <sudomarize> chesty: yeah
[12:46] <chesty> so click + then click bridge
[12:47] <sudomarize> chesty: should it be saying "cable unplugged" when my pi is plugged into my laptop?
[12:47] <chesty> nope, is the link light on on the pi and the laptop?
[12:48] <sudomarize> chesty: er not on the pi. It's been a long time since i've used this pi, i hope i didn't wipe the os from it...
[12:49] <sudomarize> screw it, i'll install ubuntu
[12:49] <sudomarize> *reinstall
[12:49] <chesty> is it a pi 2?
[12:49] <sudomarize> chesty: a pi 1 (B)
[12:49] <meiamsome> sudomarize: I cannot get it working easily with my pi either, now I have found a cable
[12:50] <chesty> sudomarize: i would use raspbian
[12:51] <sudomarize> hmm if the link light isn't flashing, that's most likely on issue with the pi, correct? (e.g. the OS)
[12:52] <sudomarize> chesty: can i not run snappy on a v1B model?
[12:53] <chesty> i don't know sudomarize
[12:53] <chesty> the link light should be on solid with the cable plugged in, and off when unplugged. there should be a red power light on the pi and a green activity light that flashes a bit when you first turn it on
[12:54] <chesty> the green activity light is light a hdd light on a computer
[12:55] <sudomarize> chesty: could it be that my microusb isn't correct? a year or two ago when i tried powering my pi i had the same problem when using a usb to microusb cable. The pi turned on, but i couldn't do anything with it
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[12:55] <sudomarize> my current cable is a micro to usb (plugged into a convert which is mains-powered)
[12:58] <chesty> what lights are on?
[12:59] <sudomarize> chesty: only the red
[12:59] <sudomarize> chesty: could also be that there's no os, although i don't remember removing it
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[13:00] <chesty> do you have a flash card reader?
[13:01] <sudomarize> chesty: yep
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[13:02] <sudomarize> chesty: hmm it does say ubuntu 14.04 LTS is on there
[13:04] <sudomarize> maybe ubuntu can't be run on the pi?
[13:06] <sudomarize> i've got to go out for a sec, be back soon
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[13:10] <chesty> as far as i know, ubuntu 14.04 lts won't work on a pi 1
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[13:29] <jem^> Hi channel. Has anyone done any investigation into the durability of the SD card when running Linux with its root filesystem on it, as opposed to putting it on a USB flash drive?
[13:29] <jem^> (leaving the bootloader on the SD card, obviously)
[13:29] <gordonDrogon> about 5 million Pi users seem happy with it so-far ...
[13:29] <Encrypt> jem^, My Pi 1 ran ~3 years 24 hours a day, 7 days a week
[13:29] <gordonDrogon> which doesn't mean it's perfect, but more than good enough for most.
[13:29] <ppq> i think the main cause for data corruption is power issues, not faulty SDys
[13:29] <Encrypt> It ran multiple services and the SD card is still not dead
[13:29] <ppq> -y
[13:29] <needingsleep3> Not bad. More than the lifespan of my PC.
[13:30] <gordonDrogon> I have Pi's here that I bough in the first few months that are still using the same SD card I bought back then...
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[13:30] * jem^ nods
[13:30] <gordonDrogon> I think there were/are some cheap SD cards about though - buy as good as you can and more capacity then you think you need.
[13:30] <jem^> sounds like I don't need to worry then
[13:31] <Encrypt> Yeah
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[13:32] <jem^> I've installed Rpi2's as Linux dns/dhcp/vpn servers at remote sites and don't want them dying prematurely due to SD card failure
[13:33] <Mead> are they a pretty standard install?
[13:33] <gordonDrogon> that's a tricky one - personally, I'd suggest a Pi is not the right tool for that job, however...
[13:33] <jem^> well, it's not raspbian, it's ubuntu
[13:33] <Myrtti> backups backups backups
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[13:33] <gordonDrogon> backups won't help if you have to drive 300 miles to fix it.. (I have co-lo's servers 300 miles from me)
[13:34] <gordonDrogon> redundant servers do help though.
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[13:34] <jem^> gordonDrogon: perhaps not, but the small form factor and low power requirements are appealing
[13:34] <gordonDrogon> I know....
[13:34] <Mead> do you have a reboot monkey on site?
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[13:34] <jem^> yes
[13:34] <needingsleep3> I read gosty's name as goatse for a sec.
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[13:34] <gosty> rofl
[13:35] <gordonDrogon> A microATX Atom in a good choice - well, it's what I've used on some client sites (and my home/office)
[13:35] <needingsleep3> "A reboot monkey" - that's beautifully poetic, man. I did for a living for a year.
[13:35] <needingsleep3> Those were the days.
[13:36] <gordonDrogon> I pay for remote power cycles...
[13:36] <Mead> create some backup SD cards that have enough software config on them to give you remote access, mail them out to your monkeys just in case
[13:36] <needingsleep3> How much do they charge for that?
[13:36] <jem^> Mead: good idea.
[13:36] <gordonDrogon> needingsleep3, it's all bundled with the hosting deal - not the cheapest around but have been very reliable for me in the past 15 years.
[13:37] <ppq> gordonDrogon, i agree. another option is to rent a virtualized server where you can do things like full backups or re-installing the OS with a web-UI. i have one with a domain name, 3 GB ram, 60 GB HDD and a traffic limit of 300 GB for 3.50€ per month
[13:38] <Armand> traffic.... limit.. ?
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[13:38] <gordonDrogon> I'm slowly moving to using VPSs elsewhere now - but it takes time to do this smoothley without affecting anyone too much...
[13:39] <ppq> 300 GB is enough for my purposes
[13:39] <Armand> gordonDrogon: Using UK providers ?
[13:39] <gordonDrogon> Armand, yes, of-course.
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[13:39] <Armand> What are you paying on average, if you don't mind me asking.. ? :)
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[13:39] <gordonDrogon> I do have one test VPS server being hosted in France though - started it as a trial a few years back as it cost pennies a year - it's still going.
[13:40] <Armand> OVH ?
[13:40] <gordonDrogon> yes - well their kimsufi brand originally.
[13:41] <Armand> We've blocked most of their IPs, so we're starting to block ranges. �_�
[13:41] <Armand> Annoying.
[13:41] <gordonDrogon> Armand, I don't want to say, but I can significantly reduce my costs by moving to VPSs rather than host my own hardware.
[13:41] <gordonDrogon> well mine is a secondary DNS server for a lot of my domains..
[13:41] <Armand> Yeah.. especially power costs. :/
[13:42] <gordonDrogon> moor.drogon.net
[13:42] <Armand> Our prices are above what you'd see for a penny brands... but it's based on support service.
[13:42] <Armand> For our clientbase, support is critical.
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[13:43] <gordonDrogon> I'm slowly cutting down on a lot of the hosting stuff I do anyway. finally closed all my VoIP stuff last year too.
[13:43] <gordonDrogon> there's almost no money in it now.
[13:45] <Armand> Thankfully my VPS is free.... so.. ^_^
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[13:46] <Armand> Cheapest we do is �40/pm
[13:46] <gordonDrogon> most of my servers are VPSs on my own hardware, so moving them ought to be relatively easy - I'll find a provider that supports LXC containers too.
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[13:47] <Armand> I should think we'd do that on a dedi..
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[13:48] <Armand> We deploy Xen & KVM on the VDS hosts.. but for a dedi, it's pretty much do as you please.
[13:48] <Armand> We have one client that runs a set of VDSs on one dedi.
[13:48] <jem^> I have a dedi costing ~£40/month. Been thinking of going VPS as well
[13:48] <Armand> jem^: specs ?
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[13:49] <jem^> Pentium G6950, 2GB RAM, 2x 250GB SATA disk
[13:49] <jem^> nothing special
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[13:50] <gordonDrogon> right. do I oder some chocolate & moulds, etc. do make some valentines choccies (to sell) - or do I not bother this year ...
[13:50] <jem^> the hosting company now offers a Xeon with 4GB RAM for less money
[13:50] <jem^> I should migrate across
[13:50] <Armand> jem^: Pentium, in a server?!?
[13:50] <jem^> very low end server
[13:50] <jem^> my HP microserver at home had the same CPU originally
[13:51] <Armand> Everything we do is Xeon, DDR3, SAS/SSD
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[13:55] <Mead> heh, my home server's software license costs more than it's hardware
[13:55] <needingsleep3> "Learning Python with Raspberry Pi" - anyone read it and can recommend? I do a lot of Bash scripting at work, some perl, no prior Python knowledge.
[13:55] <Armand> Mead: license.... cost ??
[13:55] <Armand> wassat ?
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[13:56] <Mead> well If I didn't get it off dreamspark it would be an expensive OS license
[13:56] <jem^> Armand: which hosting company do you work for?
[13:57] <Armand> http://www.paragon.net.uk/about
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[13:59] <Kryczek> Mead: what kind of services do you run on this expensive server?
[13:59] <Mead> alright I gathered up some of my old usb splitters and adapters to use with my pi zero. Think I will have success with these? http://imgur.com/a/u0Jb7
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[14:00] <Mead> Kryczek: hehe, a house hold quake 2 server, file shares, and etc.
[14:00] <jem^> no product or service pricing on website?
[14:01] <Mead> huh?
[14:01] <jem^> ah, it's on the sub brand websites
[14:02] <Kryczek> Mead: why not a Quake 3 Arena server?
[14:03] <sir_galahad_ad> Hello all i'm pretty new here o/
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[14:04] <Mead> quake 3 requires keycodes....
[14:05] <sir_galahad_ad> i didn't think the dedicated server did?
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[14:05] <Armand> Alan Rickman too??!?! DAMN IT
[14:06] <jem^> dropping like flies :(
[14:06] <Mead> the server doesn't... but the clients do
[14:06] <Armand> Reminds me, Mead.. I need to set up a new StarMade server.
[14:07] <Mead> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eJw-lUG7O3o
[14:07] <Kryczek> Mead: I don't think it does, it's been opensourced
[14:08] <Kryczek> Mead: http://ioquake3.org/
[14:09] <sir_galahad_ad> Kryczek: often they'll opensource the code but the data files will still be licensed, i don't know if that's the case here, but it could well be.
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[14:15] <Kryczek> sir_galahad_ad: Duke Nukem 3D was like that indeed but from what I remember Q3A is now 100% free :)
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[14:16] <sir_galahad_ad> well that's a good deal then :)
[14:16] <gordonDrogon> I'll stick to Doom ... :)
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[14:22] <sudomarize> is raspbian recommend for v1 pis?
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[14:24] <shiftplusone> yes
[14:24] <niston> sad news. alan rickman (professor snape) is dead.
[14:25] <Armand> �_�
[14:25] <Armand> Ya know he had MUCH better roles, right?
[14:25] <niston> hans gruber :P
[14:25] <Armand> For one
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[14:27] <sir_galahad_ad> i like to think that the great judge turpin is dead
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[14:29] <Armand> By Grabthar's hammer, by the suns of Worvan, you shall be avenged!
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[14:41] <chesty> he was an interesting dude, I vaguely remember the die hard people talking about hiring rick, he did lots of serious plays, die hard was his first hollywood movie
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[15:15] <sudomarize> chesty, you there?
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[15:26] <sudomarize> chesty: got it working, i'd installed ubuntu LTS on there a while ago which turns out to be incompatible, so installing raspbarian fixed that, it's all good now, thanks for the help
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[15:26] <sudomarize> you too meiamsome
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[15:37] <chesty> sudomarize: sweet
[15:37] <sudomarize> chesty: yeah :)
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[15:55] <ub_ubuntu> hello. I just bought a rpi and i was hoping to do some projects with it. Any sources ..?
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[15:55] <needingsleep3> There was a book,
[15:56] <needingsleep3> http://www.thriftbooks.com/w/raspberry-pi-projects/9433221/#isbn=1118555430
[15:56] <needingsleep3> There's probably a cheaper e-reader version with DRM and such
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[15:57] <ub_ubuntu> :)
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[15:58] <needingsleep3> Can't say if it's any good. But seems interesting. I've seen some cool ideas, such as a Pi Tor router that sends all your network traffic outside through Tor
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[16:07] <[Saint]> Forgive me, but, I don;t really see a Tor node where all network traffic needs to pass through a single USB2 bus to be a very good idea.
[16:07] <[Saint]> An actively terrible one, might be more appropriate.
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[16:08] <needingsleep3> With the general speeds on Tor, that might not be the bottleneck, but yeah
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[16:09] <[Saint]> Probably goes hand in hand with watering down speeds on available nodes in Tor.
[16:09] <[Saint]> Sum of its parts, etc.
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[16:12] <[Saint]> Tor's one of those great ideas that gets ruined pretty easily by people who just plain don't care about the service, and it is mildly infuriating.
[16:12] <[Saint]> If you torrent on Tor, or run a seedbox from it, I officially hate you. lol
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[16:13] <[Saint]> Ooooh, see also: using Tor to circumvent Netflix/Hulu geofencing.
[16:13] <[Saint]> That also earns a scornful look.
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[16:15] <needingsleep3> I pay a buck fifty a month to a DNS provider that does that. Trouble is, it also circumvents my ISP's CDN provider, so I'm not getting the free monthly quota
[16:15] <needingsleep3> I should probably set up a resolver that sends some requests to Getflix and the rest to my ISP's resolver farm
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[16:17] <needingsleep3> (We have monthly download quotas here in Australia. Not sure on how that works everywhere else)
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[16:34] <TheLostAdmin> quotas? that makes it sound like you are required to download a minimum amount every month.
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[16:37] <chesty> it does sound like that, i guess that would be a minimum quota, but we have a maximum quota
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[16:40] <Bilby> ugh, quotas
[16:40] <Bilby> I thought AU was getting a nationalized fibre network? did that get killed?
[16:40] <[Saint]> Spectacularly.
[16:40] <Bilby> fail
[16:41] <Bilby> poor Australia. You managed to get people as friendly as Canada and a government that aspires to US levels of bull
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[16:42] <[Saint]> friendly as canada's a bit of a stretch.
[16:42] <chesty> quotas aren't bad for 99% of people, I stream youtube all day listening to music and watch an hour or two of netflix and don't go near my quota. without a quota netflix and youtube would be unusable a few hours a day due to congestion
[16:42] <[Saint]> I reliably pull around 2TB a month.
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[16:43] <Bilby> ah, so not Comcast-levels of quota
[16:43] <[Saint]> I'm on a pure unlimited plan.
[16:43] <[Saint]> no capping, no shaping.
[16:43] <Bilby> idn, everything i’ve read seems to indicate Australians are like Canadians with a tan… swap footie for hockey and moose for utes and there you go
[16:44] <TrekBike> I'm a few hundred gigs a month. FiOS doesn't give the level of detail on usage.
[16:44] <[Saint]> Bilby: same can be said of NZ in a sense, but we're nowhere near as polite generally speaking.
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[16:45] <Bilby> haha
[16:45] <[Saint]> ...and we don't tip. ;)
[16:45] <Bilby> do you have a tipping-based food service economy?
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[16:46] <chesty> I get 1TB a month, and I use about 150GB
[16:46] <Tenkawa> uggh ubifs
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[16:46] <TrekBike> You know in Curacao you have to pay to use "public" restrooms
[16:46] <Tenkawa> these are not fun
[16:46] <TrekBike> err no that was Aruba.
[16:46] <[Saint]> Tipping as about as foreign a concept as anything imaginable, in any industry, for NZ.
[16:46] <Bilby> yay
[16:46] <Bilby> then you’re fine :P
[16:46] <[Saint]> It's trying to gain a foothold in AU.
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[16:46] <TheLostAdmin> I live in Canada. ISPs (cable/DSL) range from around 30GB at the low end to unlimited at the high end (although the unlimited isn't really and is relatively new).
[16:46] <[Saint]> We'd much prefer to pay a living wage.
[16:47] <Bilby> as someone who has a bunch of friends and family in food service, tippign is a stupid, stupid thing
[16:47] <[Saint]> When we travel, things get...interesting.
[16:47] <Bilby> it used to be ‘okay’, but it’s just become insane
[16:47] <[Saint]> I had issues with this myself.
[16:47] <[Saint]> I _will not_ tip.
[16:47] <Bilby> if you’re in the us, you really should. for better or worse the only person you’re hurting is the person who actually helped you.
[16:48] <[Saint]> My one exception to this is on the odd occasion I actually use cash monies.
[16:48] <TrekBike> Tipping is a gret way to give non-verbal feedback to the service provider that they did a great job or a lousy job.
[16:48] <[Saint]> And that's only because coinage is retarded.
[16:48] <[Saint]> I'll just abandone coinange at the counter usually.
[16:48] <[Saint]> It's stupid.
[16:48] <chesty> we tip a few dollars in nice resturants but all wait staff get a full wage, the minimum wage is $17.30
[16:49] <[Saint]> I don;t see that so much as tipping, but more of ridding my pockets of the potential for useless shrapnel.
[16:49] <TrekBike> in the nice restaurants, the tips can work out to $100k a year.
[16:49] <TrekBike> Thats $50/hour
[16:49] <[Saint]> it'll just end up falling down the back of my nightstand otherwise.
[16:49] <[Saint]> I really despise coins.
[16:50] <[Saint]> I get really pissy when places try and factor a minimum tip rate into the bill *and* the server still expects more.
[16:50] <[Saint]> such a foreign concept to me.
[16:51] <[Saint]> If your margins can't cover paying staff, you probably shouldn't be in the industry.
[16:51] <TrekBike> In the US, if the wait staff's tip amounts do not meet the minimum wage laws, the restaurant must cover the shortfall.
[16:52] <Bilby> It’s a messed up system, because food prices are artificially low based on the expectation of tipping covering wait staff wages
[16:52] <[Saint]> There shouldn't _be_ a shortfall. :)
[16:52] <[Saint]> There should be a default living wage.
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[16:52] <Bilby> but if they raise prices, people stop coming.
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[16:52] <TrekBike> in non fast food restaurants, the wait staff will make more money through tips than they would through a "living wage"
[16:52] <Bilby> there is -starting- to be a change as the problem has gotten so extreme, some restaurants have gone to a no-tipping policy
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[16:53] <TrekBike> Now if you factor in fast food, thats not the case.
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[16:54] <[Saint]> You've got me started now...
[16:54] <[Saint]> Another thing that annoys me is this slow march towards minimum wage jobs with zero hour contracts.
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[16:54] <[Saint]> *and* often with anti-comptetion clauses.
[16:55] <[Saint]> So not only do they not have to give you any guaranteed hours, you can't work in or look for work in a competing sector.
[16:55] <TrekBike> Don't worry, most of these minimum wage jobs won't be around for long
[16:55] <TrekBike> Within 10 years the majority of current minimum wage jobs won't exist.
[16:56] <TheLostAdmin> TrekBike, yes they will. They will just shift from what they are now to something that currently isn't a minimum wage job because of all the increased competition to have those jobs.
[16:56] <JK-47> If someone can be replaced with a kiosk, they need to rethink what they have done with their lives.
[16:57] <TrekBike> TheLostAdmin: Notice I said *current*
[16:57] <TheLostAdmin> Ah, I did miss that TrekBike.
[16:57] <[Saint]> Trusting an education system that funneled them into an overcrowded sector knowingly?
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[16:57] <[Saint]> 'cos, that's what a lot of people did.
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[16:57] <[Saint]> And are still doing.
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[16:57] <[Saint]> Not exactly their fault.
[16:58] <JK-47> Ohh god.
[16:58] <TheLostAdmin> JK-47, so ... going to high school and getting an after-school job is a bad idea?
[16:58] <JK-47> Remove all safety nets.
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[16:58] <JK-47> It's impossible to get afterschool jobs, because min wage raising reduces number of available jobs
[16:58] <TrekBike> An after school job in HS should not be a career choice. It should enable you to ssek education and training to find a career
[16:59] <TheLostAdmin> Please don't tell the local McDonalds or Subway shops.
[16:59] <JK-47> mcdonalds is not a career.
[16:59] <TrekBike> JK-47: But too many people think it is. Hence the push for the "living wage"
[16:59] <[Saint]> That's crap though. You can't really work to support yourself and pay for fulltime study, and fulltime study, though.
[17:00] <[Saint]> and guess what one wins.
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[17:00] <JK-47> many think living on welfare is a career choice too.
[17:00] <JK-47> Time to remove the chaff from the wheat. Like I said, remove all safety nets.
[17:00] <JK-47> This will fix itself in 1 generaiton
[17:00] <traeak> all government sponsored safety nets
[17:00] <traeak> agreed there
[17:00] <TrekBike> [Saint]: When my father was in college, tuition was cheap enough that he could work for the summer, and pay for school in the winter. Then the US government started giving financial aid out. College costs skyrocketted.
[17:00] <traeak> put no roadblocks on neighbors helping neighbors
[17:01] <ppq> <JK-47> If someone can be replaced with a kiosk, they need to rethink what they have done with their lives. ← only if you measure your life by income, which IMHO doesn't make a lot of sense
[17:01] <ppq> income/job
[17:01] <[Saint]> TrekBike: here education is largely free, so it's foreign to me. I look on and weep from the outside.
[17:01] <traeak> for a couple of summers i was a dishwasher at a tea room that served salads, sandwiches, soup, etc
[17:01] <JK-47> ppq: if you do not measure your life on the ability to make it so you can survive, it should not be up to everyone else to support you
[17:01] <TrekBike> The problem with education here is that too many students go into under water basket weaving classes that don't bring any real value.
[17:02] <traeak> good motivating job scraping off the crap people leave behind
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[17:03] * [Saint] half expects to see a post about building a wall to keep out all the mexican job-stealing drug-ridden aids junkies.
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[17:03] <TrekBike> financial aid should be driven by your declared major and adjusted based on your final degree. Degrees that don't bring value to society should be priced higher than degrees that do. Doctors are more valuable to society than someone with an 18th century literature degree.
[17:03] <[Saint]> seems to go hand in hand with dismantling welfare
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[17:04] <traeak> build a wall to keep out the murdering isis terrorists and the felons that commit crimes here in droves
[17:04] <chesty> people working their arse off 60 hours a week on minimum wage still need food stamps to live. corps pay so little the government has to make up the shortfall. and the corps don't even pay tax
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[17:04] <traeak> don't let south american countries dump their crime problems into the US
[17:05] <traeak> also the wall to control the people with TB as well
[17:05] <JK-47> Ive been homeless. Ive been under employed. Ive been influenced by the .com bubble bursting. Back them you know what happened with my unemployment forms? lost multiple times by the state to avoid paying. No safety net. I survived. I strived. I studied. I made myself better and better until someone couldnt help but hire me. I also took crap jobs along the way to put food on the table, knowing it was a short term thing.
[17:05] <traeak> stuff controlled immigration is supposed to do
[17:05] <JK-47> I have no sympathy for people who want to leech off the state or whine about a no-skill job.
[17:06] <traeak> charity isn't something the government does, its something the community needs to do
[17:06] <traeak> with a charity you can go research the "overhead| load
[17:06] <chesty> traeak: how much do you give a week?
[17:06] <TrekBike> When I was a kid, my dad was unemplyed for a year. He did whatever he could to earn money until he found a full time job. We didnt get welfare or anything like that.
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[17:06] <traeak> with the g ovwernmetn huge vast amoutns are sucked up by paying teh beauracracy
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[17:07] <sudomarize> i get "no space left on the device" when i try to create a directory in ~" -> https://gist.github.com/anonymous/aba7f95fff70318056dd
[17:07] <[Saint]> I bet you also watch Doomsday Preppers a lot.
[17:07] <sudomarize> any ideas what's causing this?
[17:07] <traeak> chesty: currentlhy the govt takes a gigantic chunk of it
[17:08] <traeak> some contributions go to church which is important
[17:08] <TrekBike> sudomarize: Did you df -h and see what space is left on the device?
[17:08] <chesty> sudomarize: you have to grow your filesystem
[17:08] <[Saint]> Big 'ol stack of canned foor and AR15s in the garage.
[17:08] <chesty> sudomarize: sudo raspi-config
[17:08] <chesty> traeak: you probably pay more tax than walmart
[17:08] <[Saint]> and a stockpile of .22 rounds as currency.
[17:09] <sudomarize> awesome, thanks guys
[17:09] <TrekBike> [saint]: The standard AR-15 configuration doesn't fire .22s
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[17:09] <[Saint]> I'm aware
[17:09] <[Saint]> the .22 rounds are doomsday prepper "cash".. :)
[17:10] <TrekBike> The AR-15 is a very nice weapon useful for a varieyy of purposes
[17:10] <[Saint]> something something, government conspiracy.
[17:10] <[Saint]> people line up to clear out the .22 rounds as soon as they hit the distributors.
[17:10] <traeak> chesty: my dad goes 2x a week to a rescue mission, 2014 i donated my old honda to the rescue mission
[17:11] <traeak> chesty: helps people who are getting themelves cleaned up to start holding a real job
[17:12] <TrekBike> Some jackass kid shot at me with a .22
[17:12] <traeak> TrekBike: assault with a deadly weapon. that kid has a great future
[17:13] <TrekBike> traeak: Sadly he was never caught for that. I was driving home from the boat ramp and my car got shot twice. Fortunately they hit the door and not the flass.
[17:13] <TrekBike> glass
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[17:13] <TrekBike> I guess it could have been a she and an adult not a kid but either way
[17:14] <yoosi> Lol am I in the right channel?
[17:14] <traeak> TrekBike: for that type stuff i support the death penalty because 22lr is very effective at killing. the kid shows epic disregard for the value of life.
[17:14] <traeak> yoosi: no :-p nwayys
[17:14] <[Saint]> it may well not have even been deliberate.
[17:14] <chesty> i'm not yoosi
[17:14] <jbeez> anyone know where I could acquire a case that will hold multiple raspberry pi's, like 4 to 6 of them in something 1u sized
[17:15] <Bilby> I wouldn’t be surprised to find something on thingverse
[17:15] <TrekBike> [saint]: You don't shoot accross a road unless its deliberate.
[17:15] <TrekBike> jbeez: Amazon seels some cases like that as well but they are not rack mountable.
[17:15] <[Saint]> people can be really ignorant about exactly how far a given round can travel and its trajectory or what it can go through.
[17:15] <traeak> i actually prefer 308 to 556
[17:16] <traeak> 22 is practical for survival
[17:16] <Bilby> jbeez: this is one of the few i’ve seen and it’s a DIY project: http://blog.afkham.org/2013/02/building-raspberry-pi-cluster-part-2.html
[17:16] <Bilby> It would be very easy to buy a 1U case or box and just install Pis in it
[17:16] <traeak> firearms safety is important, need to teach kids that early on
[17:16] <jbeez> thx
[17:17] <TrekBike> I will not let my son play with toy guns when he gets older.
[17:17] <traeak> many pi clusters are high stacks
[17:17] <jbeez> thats what i've been finding
[17:17] <jbeez> i want a wide jawn
[17:17] <traeak> just don't have him point the toy guns at people
[17:17] <traeak> he will make toys act like guns, its a promise (i havea a5 yr old boy)
[17:17] <TrekBike> http://www.amazon.com/GeauxRobot-Raspberry-4-layer-Stack-Enclosure/dp/B00MYFAAPO/ref=sr_1_15?s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1452788247&sr=1-15&keywords=raspberry+pi+case
[17:18] <TrekBike> Mines 17 months old.
[17:18] <Apocx> An AR-15 and canned food are good to have regardless, even for your typical natural disaster
[17:18] <traeak> might be possible to use a high stack and turn it sideways into a 1u
[17:18] <TrekBike> Living in florida, canned food and water is a good thing to have for hurricanes. Also a good supply of beer and liquor.
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[17:18] <traeak> used to havea a vietnam vet for a neighbor who had one jam during a close assault, also i've had the fun of trying to clean an ar16
[17:19] <Bilby> jbeez: http://www.amazon.co.uk/PCSL-Brand-Raspberry-Computers-Manufactured/dp/B008Y4OE60 but it only holds one
[17:19] <traeak> ar15 i mean...i much prefer a piston system
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[17:19] <TrekBike> They make piston systems for AR type rifles.
[17:19] <traeak> the sig mcx looks pretty sweet
[17:19] <jbeez> weird, that looks like it just holds 2 pis but you could hold so many in that much space
[17:19] <Bilby> This is kind of cool but not really on-topic http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/2398479/pi-raq-creates-a-rack-mountable-monitor-for-your-raspberry-pi
[17:20] <jbeez> I just have a springfield 4" xd mod.2 9mm, but I don't use it on my raspberry pi's
[17:20] <Apocx> why not? :D
[17:20] <traeak> if its broke why not?
[17:20] <jbeez> my pi isnt broke
[17:20] <jbeez> lol
[17:20] <traeak> old 3.5" hard drives make good targets
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[17:20] <Bilby> jbeez: this looks like it would work well: http://www.circuitspecialists.com/rackmount-enclosure-37-1u.html
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[17:20] <Apocx> pi powered pistol turret
[17:20] <TrekBike> XD:S in .45acp is my carry gun. Kahr MK-9 is what I keep in the center console of my car
[17:20] <Bilby> little dremel-foo and some standoffs and hot snot
[17:21] <jbeez> im waiting for the mod.2 in 45 and ill pick one of those up
[17:21] <traeak> we used to take the failed raid drives out to the back country ranges
[17:21] <traeak> TrekBike: for some reaon i like carrying 10mm, i'm wierd that way igues
[17:21] <TrekBike> I like common calibres
[17:21] <traeak> i have 40cal barrels for all my 10mm pistols
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[17:22] <traeak> 10mm end up being too hard on the frames
[17:22] <TrekBike> I don't like SA/DA pistols at all, and I won't carry an SAO pistol
[17:22] <traeak> and its more expensive
[17:22] <chesty> i like that statistically you're significantly more likely to be shot than me
[17:22] <traeak> who's that?
[17:23] <traeak> you're most likely to get shot trying to commmit suicide
[17:23] <chesty> anyone who has a gun in the house, and anyone living in the usa
[17:23] <traeak> after that youa re most likely to get shot by organized crime and gangs
[17:23] <traeak> otherwise you are far more likely to accidentally poison yourself with a household chemical than get shot here
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[17:24] <TrekBike> the most dangerous thing anyone does is get in a car.
[17:24] <traeak> oh hell yeah
[17:25] <chesty> so you shouldn't worry that you're more likely to be shot with a gun in the house than if you didn't own a gun?
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[17:26] <Apocx> You're also more likely to drown if you own a pool than if you don't
[17:26] <Apocx> what's the point of that argument
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[17:26] <traeak> depends on if someone brings a gun into your house
[17:26] <chesty> no it doesn't
[17:26] <traeak> i recall something about the mass amount of women in germany getting sexually assaulted with no way to defend themselves
[17:27] <traeak> and about the girl i know who had some creep sneak into the back seat of her car
[17:27] <TrekBike> Gun permits are going through the roof in germany and you can't get pepper spray.
[17:27] <traeak> which she righteously put a bullet in his head
[17:27] <traeak> anyways back to rpi stuff
[17:28] <traeak> guns are interesting but an expensive hobby
[17:28] <torchic__> ye i kiled 1 1c
[17:28] <Syliss> is it still a wait to get the pi0?
[17:28] <traeak> archery is also fun and slightly less expensive
[17:28] <Syliss> i think i may order 2 and the pi2
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[17:29] <traeak> back in the 1950s and 1960s kids used to keep guns in their lockers at school
[17:29] <jbeez> after reviewing my options, I may just velcro the 4 rasppi's that I have right now to a backer board and call it a day
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[17:29] <traeak> because they had shooting clubs...
[17:30] <traeak> some plexiglass, drill some holes and use some nylon offsets to mount them?
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[17:30] <Bilby> traeak: just an observation, in the 50’s and 60’s all of those guns were bolt-action rifles
[17:30] <Bilby> not semi-automatic handguns and assult weapons
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[17:31] <traeak> there are no assault weapons in the US
[17:31] <TrekBike> In the 50's and 60's you could still legally buy machine guns in US
[17:31] <Bilby> what i consider an assult weapon is “any rifle or other large-caliber weapon who’s primary purpose is to kill people”
[17:31] <traeak> and 1911's were common
[17:31] <TrekBike> without a background checl
[17:31] <traeak> although i can't shoot any of those worth a damn
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[17:32] <Bilby> I don’t have any problem with people owning machine guns
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[17:32] <TrekBike> You could legally purcahse machine guns in the US up until 1986.
[17:33] <traeak> i have no problem having a weapon that can kill people. hopefully the point is that the governmetn knows that too
[17:33] <traeak> or any potential foreign invader
[17:33] <Apocx> Meh, any rifle or large-caliber weapon can be used for more than just people
[17:33] <Apocx> A lot of people use AR-15s for boar hunting
[17:33] <TrekBike> The word weapon pretty much implies that it is intended to kill people.
[17:33] <traeak> of course, you need tha for elk hunting, moose hunting, bears
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[17:33] <chesty> yeah, the government with their tanks and bombs are going to think twice about a few yallquadas with assult rifles
[17:34] <traeak> in fact for bears i suggest a 454 casull or shotgun with slugs
[17:34] <Yanrav> bears? better get a RPG.
[17:34] <traeak> the military here is traditionally full of some very good people who wouldn't turn against the population because they are ordered too
[17:34] <traeak> i know too many of them
[17:34] <chesty> then why do you need to be armed?
[17:34] <Apocx> Because we can.
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[17:35] <Apocx> Why should we not be?
[17:35] <traeak> because self defense is a personal responsibility
[17:35] <jbeez> its better than not being armed
[17:35] <TrekBike> If civil war broke out, the government would NOT be able to use aircraft or tanks. If civil war broke out it would look very much like Iraq with house to house raids.
[17:35] <Apocx> Why give up even more rights than we already have?
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[17:35] <traeak> self defense is a natural responsibility
[17:35] <Apocx> I mean do you think the police will help you?
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[17:35] <gordonDrogon> I know this is fun for some, and some have various rights to bear arms, some don't, but can we maybe just stick to possibly talking about Raspberry Pi stuff for a bit?
[17:36] <traeak> who in their right mind trusts the government who are full of self serving politicians?
[17:36] <Apocx> When the police can take half an hour to reach you in some spots?
[17:36] <traeak> sure :-p
[17:36] <traeak> sry
[17:36] <traeak> the police statistically have a much higher rate of killing the wrong person as well
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[17:36] <traeak> because they come into a situation with no clue what's goign on
[17:37] <Yanrav> the police in germany killed 7 people last year. how many were killed in the US? broke down to the numbers.
[17:38] <Apocx> Jesus let's not even open up that can of warms
[17:38] <Apocx> worms even
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[17:38] <traeak> what happened recently in germany doesn't help your case. there are other things as well.
[17:38] <Bilby> you know, it’d be nice to talk about the raspberry pi at least once an hour
[17:39] <Bilby> i’m sure #guns and #murica have this conversation going on already...
[17:39] <Apocx> RPI stuff. Leave the heated political and other silly arguments for one of the countless other channels devoted to them
[17:39] <traeak> hehe
[17:39] <Yanrav> no. i just want to say that that the liberal gun laws in the US force the police to kill people
[17:39] <Yanrav> iam not against any gun laws. i would buy a weapon too if it was legal
[17:40] <Apocx> Shhhh
[17:40] <Apocx> RPI.
[17:40] <Apocx> Or atleast electronics talk
[17:40] <Bilby> here is talking about guns, my sysadmin channel is talking about taxes… FFS people i get enough of this watching fox news at night
[17:40] <Yanrav> so.. i bought a gun last week.. i want my RPI to pull the trigger when the door opens? :D
[17:41] <gordonDrogon> family friendly, please ...
[17:41] <Apocx> If you reform that question as how to make an RPI control a servo, then we are in business :D
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[17:41] <[Saint]> /preeeeetty/ sure you're not allowed to set mantraps. ;)
[17:42] <[Saint]> pi-controlled or no.
[17:42] <Bilby> i honestly think the easiest way to control a lot of that nonsense is to just plug an arduino into a pi and control it via the arduino :P
[17:42] <Apocx> agreed
[17:42] <Bilby> because i’m lazy and level shifting is a pain
[17:42] <Apocx> I just made a HAT board for my Pi with a built in Atmega328p that controlled everything I needed to control
[17:42] <Apocx> since the Pi couldn't really handle it on its own
[17:43] <Apocx> can program the atmega through the Pi via SPI and communicate over UART
[17:44] <Chillum> they work well together
[17:44] <Bilby> yeah they do
[17:44] <Chillum> a lot of wire tasks are not suitable for a non-realtime system like the pi
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[17:45] <gordonDrogon> trouble is ... the Pi is just so convenient for network communications...
[17:46] <Tenkawa> I just wish someoneone would get better graphics transcoding working under arm or mips
[17:46] <Tenkawa> heheheh
[17:46] <gordonDrogon> I should really have done my oven controller with an atMega, but then I'd need to talk to it ... somehow.
[17:46] <Tenkawa> gordonDrogon: you should see my pi zero net kvm
[17:46] <Apocx> yep exactly
[17:46] <Tenkawa> heehee
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[17:46] <Apocx> that's why I went the Pi Hat + Atmega route
[17:46] <Tenkawa> it rocks
[17:46] <Apocx> Pi does all the networking/logging/etc
[17:47] <Apocx> though I will say the ESP8266 is very nice if you don't need high-throughput networking
[17:47] <Apocx> started using that a lot
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[17:47] * Tenkawa just cringes at the thought of soldering a gpio header on so he can get rid of his usb nic
[17:48] <Apocx> I'm now actually designing an IoT outlet device using an ESP8266
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[17:48] <Bilby> i really like it too
[17:48] <Bilby> I need to pull mine out
[17:48] <Bilby> i just don’t have a good project for it right now, everything either needs more bandwidth or more IO
[17:48] <Apocx> yeah true
[17:49] <Apocx> My EPS-12 has enough GPIO for me
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[17:49] <Apocx> but I haven't really pushed it yet
[17:49] <traeak> Tenkawa: better to wait for a better rpi or jump to another arm board that has real ethernet
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[17:49] <Tenkawa> traeak: why? theres decent wifi gpio nics
[17:49] <traeak> i suspect the IO issue is what will drive an rpi3 release
[17:49] <traeak> Tenkawa: too much hassle and work :-p
[17:49] <Tenkawa> especially for my minimal needs
[17:50] <Tenkawa> traeak: ahh
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[17:50] <traeak> Tenkawa: esp if other cheap arm boards offer it by default
[17:50] <Tenkawa> 5 is going to be hard to beat
[17:51] <Apocx> if I could find a SoM board that had gigabit ethernet, built in wifi, and usb 2.0 for less than $50 I'd be set
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[17:51] <Apocx> probably not going to happen though
[17:51] <Apocx> (and also ran Linux)
[17:51] <Tenkawa> i dont realisticly have a need for gb
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[17:52] <Tenkawa> gb-nic
[17:52] <traeak> pine64 should fit that bill
[17:52] <Tenkawa> traeak: a lot of overhead
[17:52] <Tenkawa> i'm stuck on a 100mb router anyawy...
[17:53] <Apocx> Pine64 isn't an SoM is it
[17:53] <Apocx> I mean something like the RPI Compute Module
[17:53] <traeak> Tenkawa: to keep gigabit saturated? can be yeah
[17:54] <Tenkawa> traeak: the 64 bit arch is a lot of overhead for most purposes
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[17:54] <Tenkawa> address space needs
[17:54] <traeak> Tenkawa: ahh, for embedded yeah...the address space makes applications easier to develop though
[17:55] <Magnifikus> any good guide on how to shrink an sdcard down to necessary size to create an img?
[17:55] <Magnifikus> or just resizefs, fix partition table and then use dd with limit to used space?
[17:56] <Tenkawa> Magnifikus: thats what I do
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[17:56] <Tenkawa> use dd, fdisk, fsck, and resizefs
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[17:57] <Magnifikus> so the size for dd is end*512 bytes (fdisk shows 512byte units right now)
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[17:58] <Tenkawa> Magnifikus: you can also mkfs and rsync
[17:58] <Tenkawa> that works nicely too
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[17:59] <Magnifikus> hmm on loopback img yeah
[17:59] <Magnifikus> worried about user ids etc if i do such stuff :)
[17:59] <Magnifikus> sd is mounted on odroid atm
[17:59] <Tenkawa> uids are #'s
[17:59] <Tenkawa> they arent going to change if you use the preserve options of rsync
[18:00] <Tenkawa> so 8 is going to be 8 on every copy
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[18:34] <Luyin> hi there
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[18:37] <traeak> it got quiet in here, so just ask away
[18:37] <traeak> ppl sleeping or working i gather
[18:37] <sir_galahad_ad> hi there
[18:38] <TrekBike> Well I am AT work right now.
[18:39] <TrekBike> At 1:30 I have to supervise a code deployment.
[18:39] * sir_galahad_ad is just starting to learn about how to use the GPIO pins
[18:40] <TrekBike> sir_galahad_ad: Same here. I've been confused because there is a the GPIO pin number, the BCM pin number, and the pin block pin number and they are all different.
[18:41] <sir_galahad_ad> he that is pretty frustrating :P
[18:41] <sir_galahad_ad> hmm i meant 'yeah' not 'he'
[18:41] <TrekBike> I had wired up my circuit and couldn't figure out why it wasn't working Then I started trying other pin numbers
[18:42] <gordonDrogon> use the wiringPi pin numbersing scheme for yet another variant ;-)
[18:42] <sir_galahad_ad> yeup
[18:42] <sir_galahad_ad> i suppose i have a question
[18:43] <gordonDrogon> ask the question, don't ask to ask ...
[18:43] <meiamsome> ask1!!!!
[18:43] <meiamsome> :D
[18:43] <TrekBike> And don't forget to set whether the pin is an IN pin or an OUT pin and if you need a pull up/down resistor or not
[18:44] <pyroxide> need projection screen for my fap machine
[18:44] <sir_galahad_ad> for the gpio pins with special perposes like MISO MOSI etc can those pins be used as general pins as well or only as their special purpose?
[18:44] <gordonDrogon> TrekBike, if you have wiringPi installed, just type: gpio readall which will give you a diagram of the pins on the Pi and their current modes/values.
[18:44] <gordonDrogon> sir_galahad_ad, yes.
[18:44] <gordonDrogon> sir_galahad_ad, that's yes, they can be used as general purpose pins as well as their special functions.
[18:44] <TrekBike> gordon: Thats what I ended up doing to find the pins that were changing
[18:45] <gordonDrogon> TrekBike, watch -n 0.5 gpio readall
[18:45] <sir_galahad_ad> ok that's what i thought
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[18:45] <gordonDrogon> sir_galahad_ad, just make sure you don't have the SPI kernel module loaded (nor I2C is using the I2C pins) - use sudo raspi-config to check/set.
[18:45] <gordonDrogon> actually, nect version of gpio will use ncurses and have a continuous update mode...
[18:46] <TrekBike> I just did watch without the -n switch
[18:46] * sir_galahad_ad didn't reallize there was an spi kernel module
[18:47] <TrekBike> My circuit came in handy on Monday. I told my wife to go put something on the scanner for me so I could grab it to send to HR here at work. I saw the motion sensor was tripped and new she had gone into the room with the scanner
[18:47] <gordonDrogon> TrekBike, I think that's 2 seconds by default.
[18:47] <TrekBike> Then I VNC'd into my home machine, did the scan and emailed it to myself.
[18:48] <sir_galahad_ad> in that case if i wanted to interact with an spi device would that be doable in user code or does it require the kernel module?
[18:48] <TrekBike> Yes watch is 2 seconds by default.
[18:48] <gordonDrogon> sir_galahad_ad, you can do either - I prefer to use the kernel module.
[18:48] <sir_galahad_ad> understood
[18:48] <meiamsome> kernel modules are usually more stable
[18:49] <meiamsome> but it can be fun to manually implement the protocol
[18:49] <gordonDrogon> not really about stability, more about ease of use here - it's very simple to drive the SPI hardware from userland if you want to.
[18:50] <[Saint]> I see it more about being avoiding needlessly reinventing wheels.
[18:50] <sir_galahad_ad> i was just looking up SPI last night ihave a project that i would like to do but i need an adc, and from i've seen those tend to use spi
[18:50] <[Saint]> but nefarious isn't exactly wrong.
[18:50] <[Saint]> reinventing wheels can be fun.
[18:50] <TrekBike> I prefer not to reinvent the wheel.
[18:51] <[Saint]> errr, meiamsome even.
[18:51] <[Saint]> (sorry nefarious)
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[18:51] <TrekBike> Though reinventing the wheel does help you more deeply understand what you are working with
[18:51] * [Saint] nods
[18:51] <sir_galahad_ad> i think maybe reinventing the wheel probably isn't the best for most cases, but if you do reinvent the wheel i think you'll understand the details of how it works better
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[18:52] <sir_galahad_ad> damn TrekBike said it before me
[18:52] <sir_galahad_ad> and probably more eloquently
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[19:16] <nefarious> [Saint], np lol
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[19:41] <b00s3d> hi guys :)
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[19:42] <b00s3d> are there anyway to check the power in/out put with a sofware?
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[19:50] <gordonDrogon> not without adding some more hardware..
[19:51] <sir_galahad_ad> b00s3d: an analog to digital converter i think might be what you're looking for
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[19:51] <meiamsome> And a shunt, if you want current
[19:51] <gordonDrogon> you need a little more to monitor power - amps and volts..
[19:51] <gordonDrogon> the hall effect ones are getting better.
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[20:02] <b00s3d> do you have any good guides that can teach me how to get he display of the raspberrypi on to my laptop (sounds nooby and it is) :)
[20:03] <b00s3d> i might say i am using linux/ubuntu as host
[20:03] <ShorTie> you mean like x11vnc ??
[20:04] <b00s3d> this guide is oonly for winbricks http://diyhacking.com/connect-raspberry-pi-to-laptop-display/
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[20:04] <b00s3d> also i am locked ouy, by installing ufw haaha
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[20:13] <b00s3d> any suggestions?
[20:14] <Tenkawa> b00s3d: i missed the q
[20:14] <Tenkawa> whats up?
[20:14] <b00s3d> Hi Tenkawa :)
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[20:15] <b00s3d> i installed UFW on raspberry pi, i will be using ssh for connecting since i have no interest in using screen keyboard mouse..
[20:15] <b00s3d> and i got locked out xD
[20:15] <Tenkawa> network locked or account?
[20:16] <b00s3d> well, lucky i have a backup from before i installed UFW :)
[20:16] <Tenkawa> did you not add a firewall rule for a static host?
[20:18] <b00s3d> no pe
[20:18] <b00s3d> nope
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[20:19] <Tenkawa> b00s3d: do you have another machine to put that sdcard on?
[20:19] <b00s3d> yes
[20:19] <Tenkawa> you could add it in using that machine then not have to rebuild the whole thing
[20:19] <b00s3d> its in no
[20:19] <b00s3d> w
[20:19] <b00s3d> yeah that was what i had in ind
[20:19] <b00s3d> mind*
[20:20] <b00s3d> so i am reading some sites atm, do you know any good option/or where the configuration file are located?
[20:20] <Tenkawa> and/or get a ttl-usb cable like a lot of us use to connect to the board ( I use it for many boards )
[20:20] <Tenkawa> b00s3d: I use to... its been a long time
[20:20] <Tenkawa> look in /usr/share/doc
[20:21] <Tenkawa> there should be a ufw* dir in there i think
[20:21] <b00s3d> wow sounds good can you tell me more about the ttl-usb stuff?
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[20:22] <Tenkawa> its a cable to hook up to the serial pins on the board so you can use things like minicom to run a console that way
[20:22] <Tenkawa> just a serial to usb console cable
[20:23] <b00s3d> sounds sound :)
[20:23] <admiralspark> Tenkawa, sorry to jump in. The serial cable, are you saying it connects to the GPIO? I didn't see the instructions
[20:23] <Tenkawa> admiralspark: yep..
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[20:24] <Tenkawa> google search raspberry pi ttl usb
[20:24] <Tenkawa> should be an adafruit tutorial link
[20:25] <traeak> seems like the chromiumRPI guys went quiet
[20:25] <someHelp> hey how are you? as my nick says, i need help! i'm new to electronics and want to build a mini "rover" with my RPi, i got 2 DC motors (https://www.adafruit.com/products/711) and i wanted to know if i couldnt connect them with a L298N and power both of them with 4xAA power supply
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[20:27] <someHelp> (sorry for my english)
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[20:28] <ams> been scratching my head as to how to make ratpoison the default wm, and have it start up instead of openbox .. changing x-window-manager doesn't do the trick, since the x-session-manager gets kicked in instead .. which is lxde ..
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[20:30] <admiralspark> Tenkawa, thanks, I thought it was for something else, you mean console access :P
[20:32] <Tenkawa> admiralspark: yeah
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[20:32] <Tenkawa> Anyone using any of the gpio wifi modules?
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[20:35] <Bilby> not i
[20:36] <b00s3d> Tenkawa: i have editied this file "/etc/ufw/ufw.conf" there was a ENABLE=yes function and i changed it to no, after boot i will open the port 22 and then enable on startup again :)
[20:36] <Bilby> looked at doing one with an ESP and never bothered :P
[20:36] <Tenkawa> b00s3d: hehehe cool
[20:36] <Tenkawa> Bilby: yeah i really want to free up the usb on my zero
[20:36] <Bilby> ahah
[20:36] <Tenkawa> instead of using it up running the wifi
[20:37] <Tenkawa> and just because its neat
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[20:37] <litb> hello all
[20:37] <Tenkawa> if it works well I'll outfit all of my pi2's that way too
[20:38] <litb> I'm looking for a microSD for my raspb2. and I read that anything >= class 6 is overkill because the raspb2 can maximally read/write at 20MB/s
[20:38] <litb> and that class 4 has better random access speed than class 6, so that class 6 or even class 10 would be a bad choice
[20:38] <litb> is this correct?
[20:38] <Bilby> asdf
[20:39] <Bilby> marco?
[20:39] <admiralspark> litb, I use a class10 and have no issues with speed or performance
[20:39] <admiralspark> spare I had lying around :)
[20:39] <Bilby> basically, don’t buy a super cheap one if you’re doing video streaming or read/writes
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[20:40] <Bilby> Tenkawa: honestly I think the ESP might be your best bet for wifi
[20:40] <litb> i read that class >=6 have 100 times less performance for random access reads
[20:40] <ams> mm.... .xsession and taa daa ..
[20:40] <ams> cute.
[20:40] <Bilby> possibly via I2C?
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[20:41] <[Saint]> WiFI via Extra Sensory Perception.
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[20:42] <samskiter> hi, my pi compute is rebooting into an unusable state after about 2/3 minutes of use (i have to power cycle to get it back). i think it may be a problem with my circuit but i wondered if there are any diagnostic messages i could inspect
[20:42] <Bilby> litb: I’ve never seen problems with the pi from anything but cheap cards, and even then it’s not too often. Go with what you’re comfortable with, i suppose
[20:43] <samskiter> either before the shutdown or after
[20:43] <litb> Bilby: do you mean cheap cards as in euros or as in quality?
[20:43] <litb> i mean, is a class 4 sandisk card cheaper than a class 10 sandisk card?
[20:43] <Bilby> both, since there’s generally a correlation haha
[20:44] <litb> Bilby: i guess i shouldn't think too much about it
[20:44] <Bilby> This is the only thing i’ve seen that talks about SD card speeds and what they mean: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secure_Digital#Speed_class_rating
[20:45] <Tenkawa> Bilby: yeah thinking that too
[20:45] <Bilby> Generally I say go to a class 10 minimum if you want something ‘faster’ but otherwise it’s whatever you want
[20:45] <Tenkawa> Bilby: going to go take a look at microcenters selection
[20:45] <someHelp> Hello, i'm new and want to know if a L298N can control 2 DC motors (https://www.adafruit.com/products/711) and be powered by a 4xAA, can it?
[20:45] <Bilby> i’ve used UHS3 cards, i’ve used generic SD cards from microcenter
[20:45] <ozzzy> someHelp, yes
[20:46] <ozzzy> just remember that the L298 has no protection diodes... you'll have to add them to each motor circuit
[20:46] <litb> Bilby: there are some pretty confusing sentences in that article
[20:46] <litb> "Compliance with a higher speed rating is a guarantee that the card limits its use of the "busy" indication."
[20:46] <Bilby> samskiter: if you hang around some of the nerdier experts come on here and there and might be able to help. i’ve never used a compute module
[20:46] <litb> i have no idea what they want to say by that
[20:46] <meiamsome> samskiter: what raspberry pi model do you use?
[20:46] <samskiter> meiamsome: CM
[20:46] <samskiter> Bilby: thanks
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[20:47] <Bilby> litb: SD cards can keep you from writing to them with a busy indicator, basically telling the OS “hey, wait a minute”
[20:47] <someHelp> ozzzy, ok nice, thank you :) You mean I'll have to connect them with wire no?
[20:47] <ozzzy> someHelp, no.. you'll need to add the 4 protection diodes on each motor circuit
[20:47] <Bilby> if they comply with the higher ratings they’re saying internal programming / technology won’t use the wait signal overmuch
[20:47] <litb> Bilby: you mean they want to say "Higher speed rating is a guarantee that the card limits its frequency of the busy indication" ?
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[20:48] <Bilby> yes
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[20:48] <Bilby> Not sure if the author is using $10 words where $1 words would suffice or if they’re trying to imply that cards that may not be labeled as under a rating migiht comply with it. either way, there’s no point
[20:48] <someHelp> ozzzy, hmmm I didn't know about that! Is it an obligation and if yes, is it hard to add?
[20:49] <ozzzy> https://wiki.nus.edu.sg/display/ee4214/EE4214+Project+Group+6?preview=/36241543/57868509/worddavb2c7e66a35c2203e1e5372eba7d9e66d.png
[20:49] <ozzzy> yes... it's mandatory
[20:49] <ozzzy> if your motors are < 300mA then use an L293D (it has built-in diodes)
[20:49] <Bilby> Tenkawa: have you actually had the ESP on the Pi yet?
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[20:52] <someHelp> ozzzy, I think they are ?(https://www.adafruit.com/products/711) Thank you I'll buy one then, it's not that expensive :)
[20:52] <ozzzy> the L293D is cheaper than the L298N
[20:52] <ozzzy> and simpler to use
[20:53] <Tenkawa> Bilby: no.. any thoughts?
[20:53] <Tenkawa> or were you going to ask me that ?
[20:53] <Bilby> haha
[20:53] <litb> Bilby: does the pi have a UHS-1 bus interface?
[20:54] <Bilby> I mean, you can use serial, but that’s going to be pretty slow. What kind of stuff are you sending over wifi?
[20:54] <Bilby> litb: i’m not sure
[20:54] <someHelp> ozzzy, ok thank you very much :)
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[20:55] <Tenkawa> Bilby: various. would it be dramaticly slower than usb
[20:55] <Tenkawa> ?
[20:55] <Tenkawa> how would the latency be?
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[20:55] <Tenkawa> thats probably the big ? mark
[20:56] <meiamsome> samskiter: All I can suggest is checking the Vin voltage doesn't drop too low
[20:56] <Bilby> latency shouldn’t be too bad, but bandwidth will be down
[20:56] <Tenkawa> thats ok.. latency being low is better
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[20:57] <Bilby> The pi can do 115200 baud which is ~ 115 kbps
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[20:58] <Tenkawa> yeah
[20:58] <Tenkawa> maybe i'll just stick to usb
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[20:59] <Tenkawa> Bilby: isnt it 1155200 per pin though?
[20:59] <Tenkawa> er 115200
[20:59] <litb> does a TV backend take much memory?
[20:59] <Tenkawa> or is that the whole bus>
[20:59] <Tenkawa> er
[20:59] <Tenkawa> ?
[20:59] <litb> i wanna run it (together with kodi) on the same raspb2
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[21:03] <samskiter> meiamsome: i’ve checked all 3 VIN voltages with my scope :P
[21:03] <samskiter> might be some other reason
[21:03] <samskiter> booting up with the uart port wired in now
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[21:06] <Bilby> Tenkawa: I don’t know on the Pi side, but there’s only going to be 1 bus when communicating with the ESP
[21:06] <Tenkawa> ah true
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[21:31] <Encapsulation> ok
[21:31] <Encapsulation> new project starting
[21:32] <Encapsulation> any recommendations for what to use if I want rpi to put a webserver up
[21:32] <Encapsulation> and the page has butttons, etc that control the c++ code
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[21:32] <JK-47> how many users?
[21:33] <Encapsulation> only one required at a time
[21:33] <Encapsulation> basically I want the pi to put up a web interface for controlling its gpio etc
[21:33] <Encapsulation> but it goes beyond that
[21:33] <Encapsulation> thats my problem
[21:33] <JK-47> any will work if your code is written efficiently.
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[21:33] <Encapsulation> its not JUST controlling gpio
[21:33] <[Saint]> that's not really the question he was asking I believe.
[21:33] <Encapsulation> I need it to control my software
[21:33] <Encapsulation> and my software controls the gpio
[21:33] <Encapsulation> I just want a gui frontend basically
[21:33] <[Saint]> I believe he was asking if it is public facing and how many users you'd expect.
[21:34] <Encapsulation> for my C++ code
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[21:34] <JK-47> so you arent asking which model pi, but which frontend?
[21:34] <Encapsulation> well I'm new to this type of thing
[21:34] <Encapsulation> I just have the idea
[21:34] <Encapsulation> for a device I've built
[21:34] <Encapsulation> a pi is the center of it
[21:34] <Encapsulation> but now its command line over ssh to control it
[21:34] <[Saint]> what kind of throughput will it be handling?
[21:34] <Encapsulation> I know to sell this I need an app, and also a webpage
[21:35] <Encapsulation> and a gui to control it all
[21:35] <[Saint]> generally speaking, a pi makes a pretty poor webserver.
[21:35] <JK-47> "sell"
[21:35] <Encapsulation> yes, sell
[21:35] <JK-47> well, try http://webiopi.trouch.com/.
[21:35] <JK-47> but good luck
[21:35] <Encapsulation> I'm creating a product
[21:35] <Encapsulation> I know about that
[21:35] <Encapsulation> and eric
[21:35] <Encapsulation> I've been talking to him for over a year
[21:35] <Encapsulation> this is different
[21:35] <Encapsulation> thats very generalized
[21:35] <Encapsulation> I'm building a specialized device
[21:35] <JK-47> its a framework
[21:35] <Encapsulation> I would like to use my own code
[21:36] <JK-47> itll be what ever you tell it to be
[21:36] <Encapsulation> I saw that but
[21:36] <JK-47> call out to other stuff if you want
[21:36] <JK-47> or use a node.js or a ruby or anything.
[21:36] <Encapsulation> thats more what I'm iunterested in
[21:36] <Encapsulation> doing it myself
[21:36] <JK-47> there are hundreds of web frameworks out there.
[21:36] <Encapsulation> I just dont even know how to begin
[21:36] <Encapsulation> is this too complicated to do without using a pre-existing framework?
[21:36] <[Saint]> you've been very vague.
[21:36] <[Saint]> can;t really say.
[21:37] <Encapsulation> I've been as descriptive as I can
[21:37] <JK-47> if you dont know anything about web coding, anything will be difficult
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[21:37] <JK-47> people use frameworks for simple web functions because recreating the wheel is dumb
[21:37] <Encapsulation> a device powered by rpi using gpio for sensor input and output to motors etc
[21:37] <Encapsulation> currently runs C++
[21:37] <JK-47> you arent in the business of making websites. you are in the business of a product.
[21:37] <Encapsulation> and has an interface to control it but its command line
[21:37] <Encapsulation> I want to take prototype 3 to the next level
[21:37] <JK-47> so, why should you spend time on little things like inputs and fields and input santitization.
[21:37] <Encapsulation> and introduce an app
[21:37] <Encapsulation> and also a webpage that it hosts
[21:38] <Encapsulation> with gui controls
[21:38] <Encapsulation> so you press a button, it changes a variable
[21:38] <Encapsulation> and also displays the state of variables
[21:38] <Encapsulation> I want to custom build this page /// app
[21:38] <Encapsulation> thats as best as I can describe my goal
[21:38] <[Saint]> so, basically, a radio list - which there's about ten bajillion implementations of in any language you can think of.
[21:38] <JK-47> to be honest, if you integrate your c++ with a rest API…like casablanca, that would be 80% of your needs
[21:38] <JK-47> or odata
[21:39] <Encapsulation> I don't fully understand what a REST even is
[21:39] <Encapsulation> but this keeps coming up
[21:39] <[Saint]> there's a craptonne of pre-baked standalone libraries for the basic functions you describe.
[21:39] <Encapsulation> I like the idea of something simple that does juyst what I need
[21:39] <Encapsulation> if they are open source I'll use them
[21:40] <Encapsulation> or do I need beyond open source
[21:40] <Encapsulation> I need to be able to sell the end product
[21:40] <Encapsulation> thats very important
[21:40] <Encapsulation> regardless of how pessimistic you may be about my success
[21:40] <JK-47> if you are selling, you need to make sure you watch the license
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[21:40] <Encapsulation> I plan to make sure licesnes are all ok
[21:40] <JK-47> make note of any changes in THEIR code you make. and publish their code and your changes.
[21:40] <[Saint]> is licensing an issue to you? Because, for instance, if you want to keep your app proprietary, this will be a major concern.
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[21:40] <Encapsulation> the app can be free
[21:40] <Encapsulation> and the code
[21:40] <Encapsulation> I plan to construct and sell the devices
[21:41] <[Saint]> For example, linking a GPL binary will require you to open the entirety of the derivative.
[21:41] <JK-47> ehhhh sort of.
[21:41] <Encapsulation> I dont even mind having the code open source
[21:41] <Encapsulation> if I need
[21:41] <Encapsulation> thats not where the profit is
[21:41] <Encapsulation> its in the entire device working running the code
[21:41] <Encapsulation> thats what most people cant do
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[21:41] <Encapsulation> so I dont mind giving awayt the code
[21:41] <Encapsulation> its useless without the device
[21:41] <nefarious> Encapsulation, how much code is it?
[21:42] <Encapsulation> well not sure yet
[21:42] <Encapsulation> prototype 2 runs C++ code and is a LOT
[21:42] <Encapsulation> I'm starting over now
[21:42] <Encapsulation> so I'm not sure
[21:42] <Encapsulation> as little as possible this time to function as it needs to
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[21:43] <nefarious> how important is the speed of the program?
[21:43] <[Saint]> if it's a pi serving it, I'm gonna go with 'not very'.
[21:43] <Encapsulation> I would say not critical
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[21:44] <Encapsulation> I'm open to other languages too
[21:44] <Encapsulation> if that makes sense
[21:44] <Encapsulation> because I have to start from scratch
[21:44] <Encapsulation> so maybe C++ isnt even best
[21:44] <Encapsulation> especially when I want web gui interface and android app
[21:44] <Encapsulation> open to suggestions
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[21:47] <b00s3d> how does the raspbian lite jessie /etc/apt/sources.list looks like?
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[21:48] <b00s3d> deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian jessie main contrib non-free <<????
[21:48] <nefarious> well python might be a decent choice, seeing as it's already there, and there are some nice small/light web frameworks
[21:48] <nefarious> think there's a python gpio lib as well
[21:49] <[Saint]> my raspbian-ua-netinst sources.list is very simple, just:
[21:49] <[Saint]> deb http://mirrordirector.raspbian.org/raspbian jessie contrib firmware main non-free rpi
[21:49] <[Saint]> deb http://archive.raspberrypi.org/debian jessie main
[21:49] <sir_galahad_ad> there's definately a python gpio lib
[21:49] <Encapsulation> a web framewoerk...
[21:49] <Encapsulation> do I need a framework to make this work?is it too difficult to do from scratch
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[21:49] <b00s3d> Saint thank you, does anyone know how the "official" looks lik??e
[21:49] <Encapsulation> what would the buttons and sliders and variable display boxes etc on the page be? what code
[21:49] <Encapsulation> and how can that code communicate with a nother language like my C++ code
[21:50] <Encapsulation> where can I learn this
[21:50] <Encapsulation> I'm not quite sure what the question is so its hard to learen the answer, seems overwhelming
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[21:50] <[Saint]> basically, there's absolutely zero reason to re-invent the wheel here.
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[21:51] <fictive> Anyone ever worked with Win10 IOT Core on the raspberry pi 2 and know how to force sync the clock with NTP servers?
[21:51] <[Saint]> All the functions you have described already have a bajillion existing libraries, frameworks, and APIs available.
[21:51] <[Saint]> there's also no real reason to stick with any one given language.
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[21:51] <[Saint]> C can call python which can call java, etc. etc. etc.
[21:51] <traeak> hopefuly webassembly is a positive thing and we get some sane gui type libraries for it
[21:52] <[Saint]> traeak: well, fingers crossed, yes.
[21:52] <mlelstv> sanity is not required
[21:52] <[Saint]> the current problem is it's more difficult at present, and developers see no real reason to use it.
[21:52] <traeak> going from desktop application development over to web development seems to be a gigantic jump
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[21:52] <Encapsulation> thats what It feels like yes
[21:52] <Encapsulation> all of these things working together
[21:53] <traeak> because i'd like to do the same with a front end to our processing
[21:53] <[Saint]> "the solutions we have now work" - pretty much every developer ever
[21:53] <nefarious> Encapsulation, point is that you could do it in one language
[21:53] <traeak> but i feel i would have to invest way too much into even starting
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[21:53] <nefarious> easy
[21:53] <Encapsulation> nefarious, c++ code powering buttons on a webpage?
[21:53] <[Saint]> traeak: and therein lies the problem.
[21:53] <Encapsulation> how do they actually communicate
[21:53] <nefarious> Encapsulation, I thought we were talking python
[21:53] <traeak> [Saint]: am i wrong about the time investment required?
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[21:54] <[Saint]> traeak: absolutely not, at this stage at least.
[21:54] <[Saint]> which is why there's no really haevy traction here.,
[21:54] <Encapsulation> nefarious, I mentioned python as one possibility
[21:54] <Encapsulation> or someone did
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[21:55] <Encapsulation> if its possible I would like to use C++
[21:55] <Encapsulation> I already know it fairly well
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[21:55] <[Saint]> traeak: it pretty much involves throwing the guts of $existing_project out the window for the sake of a benefit that no one will actually actively observe or appreciate, which for most developers, large or small, isn;t going to happen.
[21:55] <traeak> yeah, same here....c++ is my domain
[21:55] <[Saint]> C master race.
[21:55] <Encapsulation> C++ code runs and controls gpio and reads sensors etc ----- how do these variables get displayed on the webpage? and how does the webpage set the vars
[21:55] <traeak> i must have it for both performance and memory management
[21:55] <Encapsulation> can anyone explain that plz
[21:56] <traeak> well
[21:56] <Encapsulation> I can already do half of this, just need to do the other half
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[21:56] <traeak> you have to have the html/css/javascript front end
[21:56] <nefarious> Encapsulation, I suggested python because you can integrate gpio control into a light webserver easily
[21:56] <Encapsulation> is that part ofg a c++ web framework?
[21:56] <traeak> then have a commnication protocol like xml_rpc to talk to a backend
[21:56] <traeak> which drives your application
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[21:57] <Encapsulation> that protocol connects the webpage to the c++ code?
[21:57] <sabbie> what's the best way to drive approximately 6 led's from a pi? (They should be bright enough to be properly visible in daylight)
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[21:57] <Encapsulation> the more I think about this the more I realize this might actually be LESS work
[21:57] <Encapsulation> than my command line interface
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[21:57] <Encapsulation> so many menus and questions etc can be reduced down to some sliders buttons etc
[21:57] <traeak> i guess you mgihtbe able to find some c++ libs that set up the backend
[21:57] <traeak> i haven't looked into this in a while
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[21:57] <Encapsulation> and the entire program can become manipulation of variables in a continous loop
[21:58] <Encapsulation> traeak, hmm
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[21:58] <[Saint]> basically, the issue we have with answering this is that you only have a current starting point, and an end result, and you're asking how to achieve it without having any of the methodology or the tools you intend to use locked down.
[21:58] <[Saint]> It's like asking "how long is string?"
[21:58] <Encapsulation> I'm willing to learn them
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[21:58] <Encapsulation> iI just need a starting point
[21:58] <Encapsulation> if one of these frameworks will do everything I need
[21:58] <Encapsulation> I'd limke to select a good one and start to learn how it works
[21:58] <traeak> IF hehe
[21:58] <Encapsulation> I dont want to reinvent the wheel
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[21:59] * Bilby requests the tl;dr version of Encapsulation’s question
[21:59] <Encapsulation> sure
[21:59] <Encapsulation> I have a raspberry pi powered device I've built that reads from sensors, controls motors etc
[21:59] <Encapsulation> right now its all driven by C++ code which I connect and control via SSH command line
[21:59] <traeak> i think its a questio nof how does a c++ hardware/application developer actually push an interface onto a web browser front end
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[22:00] <Encapsulation> this is behind the times and I know I need a web interface and app in todays world for this to be marketable
[22:00] <Bilby> okay
[22:00] <Encapsulation> so I'm trying to connect c++ code and have the vars controlled by tyhe webpage,. and displayed
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[22:00] <Encapsulation> that way youy can control the settings of the device from anywhere, or from the app
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[22:01] <Encapsulation> Bilby, the problem is I dont really know where to begin even though I know what i need for an end result
[22:01] <Encapsulation> lets say for example my device is turning a light on and off at some interval
[22:01] <Encapsulation> how can that interval be set by a slider on a webpage
[22:01] <Encapsulation> that is hosted by the pi
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[22:02] <traeak> my problem is a little bit different...i need to build a web based GIS with the ability to kick off some photogrammetry tools all in teh browser...i've done gui apps for these things. and i'm scared, and have tons of other things to do
[22:02] <[Saint]> there's things that might not seem obvious right now that will govern the output of the project, like, how important is securing the device from unauthorized connections. etc. http, https, ssl, e2ee, etc.
[22:02] <Encapsulation> I would like the link to be encrypted if possible
[22:02] <Encapsulation> it has to be actually
[22:02] <traeak> you odn't need full featured javascript stuff
[22:02] <traeak> you could do with simple html without js or css
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[22:02] <traeak> and just use post stuff i think
[22:03] <Bilby> Build a front end with PHP and have the PHP communicate with terminal?
[22:03] <Encapsulation> where do I learn to do that?
[22:03] <Encapsulation> I keep hearing php mentioned for this problem
[22:03] <Encapsulation> do I need to write my own protocol
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[22:03] <traeak> might be more effective to use something like node.js which would reduce learning curve down to 1 extra language?
[22:03] <Encapsulation> or is there already a way for php website to control c++ code
[22:03] <Encapsulation> I'm definitely willing to learn
[22:03] <Encapsulation> and put 100s of hours into this
[22:03] <traeak> do you need php or can you just get away with basic html ?
[22:03] <Encapsulation> well
[22:04] <Encapsulation> I just need to be able to read variables
[22:04] <Encapsulation> and write to them
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[22:04] <Encapsulation> and maybe call functions
[22:04] <traeak> well
[22:04] <Encapsulation> but I could possibly write the code so thats not require
[22:04] <traeak> on page load you can do stuff
[22:04] <Bilby> there are literally a thousand ways to cut this up
[22:04] <traeak> and then make the page refresh occasionally
[22:04] <traeak> then put on buttons as well
[22:04] <Encapsulation> Bilby, I think thats my problem as a beginner
[22:04] <Bilby> are you familiar with any languages besides C++ ?
[22:04] <Encapsulation> I'm totally overwhelemd
[22:04] <traeak> that can be done with bare html which is a ton simpler than js/css crap
[22:04] <Encapsulation> C#, C++
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[22:05] <Encapsulation> simple is good
[22:05] <Encapsulation> especially if it can still look good
[22:05] <traeak> look good? ugh
[22:05] <Encapsulation> well
[22:05] <Bilby> maybe C# in mono?
[22:05] <Encapsulation> this gui needs to be cleazn
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[22:06] <traeak> but for now the whole browser thing is beyond a train wreck
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[22:06] <traeak> we're lost in layers of uber hack
[22:06] <[Saint]> Why do people seem to hate C?
[22:06] <[Saint]> C#, I have a somewhat irrational hatred of.
[22:06] <Apocx> C# in mono, especially when trying to do web or UI stuff, is pretty bad
[22:06] <Encapsulation> I like C++
[22:06] <Apocx> I love C#
[22:06] <Encapsulation> I wouldnt mind sticking with that
[22:07] <Apocx> and C++
[22:07] <traeak> C is fine unless you want to do cmoplex things like calculus
[22:07] <Encapsulation> I can do a lot with C++ and the pi
[22:07] <Encapsulation> but I cant put any web interfaces up
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[22:07] <Encapsulation> really my web interfacve is #1 priority
[22:07] <Encapsulation> I dont even need an app
[22:07] <Encapsulation> just browse the page on your phone
[22:07] <Encapsulation> that wouyld be better if anything
[22:07] <Encapsulation> wouldnt need separate ios and android app
[22:07] <Apocx> you realize of course there are problems with that as well
[22:07] <Apocx> networking/WAN problems
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[22:08] <fictive> I'll try again: anyone ever used Win10 IOT core on RP2 and had problems with clock skew?
[22:08] <traeak> is there a better IRC channel for questions like this?
[22:08] <Encapsulation> maybe one of the coding channels
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[22:09] <Encapsulation> I'm going to steal phillips hue setup idea I think
[22:09] <Encapsulation> maybe not
[22:09] <Encapsulation> maybe just buttons and a screen to select wifi network and password
[22:10] <Encapsulation> plus it has an ethernet jack
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[22:10] <Encapsulation> then once its online it can put the web interface up
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[22:10] <Encapsulation> I think id like to stick with C++ backend
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[22:10] <Encapsulation> if thats possible
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[22:11] <Apocx> anything is possible, just not necessarily easy. :D
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[22:11] <Bilby> One way that i’ve dealt with this before is with messenger files
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[22:12] <Bilby> basically CSV files that are read or written by the various programs
[22:12] <Encapsulation> hmm
[22:12] <Encapsulation> thats not a bad idea...
[22:12] <Encapsulation> my code just reads from a file
[22:12] <Encapsulation> that the page modifies
[22:12] <Apocx> at that point might as well just use an sqlite db
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[22:12] <Encapsulation> argh
[22:12] <Bilby> whatever’s easiest
[22:12] <Encapsulation> what way makes the most sense?
[22:12] <Bilby> flat files are simple
[22:12] <Encapsulation> easy, but also secure
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[22:13] <Bilby> run your program as a service so it’s always on. have it read incoming variables from file A and write responses to file B. It’s not the most elegent but it does work and it’s easy to manipulate
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[22:14] <Bilby> then you can use whatever front end you’d like to read them - PHP, Node.JS, Python, whatever you find easiest to wrap your head around
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[22:14] <Bilby> I’d suggest checking out PHP as it’s possibly the most common server-side language and is vaguely C++ like
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[22:14] <traeak> hmm
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[22:15] <mgottschlag> vaguely = "not at all" in this case :)
[22:15] <Encapsulation> php would be writing tyhe files?
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[22:15] <traeak> running application listening on a local socket ?
[22:15] <Encapsulation> in response to html buttons etc?
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[22:15] <meiamsome> Might be worth having the C++ provide a JSON web API and then using that on the client
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[22:15] <Encapsulation> if there is a framework that already does all this and I can use it in a commercial product
[22:15] <Encapsulation> I'll do that
[22:16] <Apocx> or the webserver provide a service API the C++ program uses
[22:16] <mgottschlag> you could use gRPC for communication between backend and JS in the browser
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[22:16] <mgottschlag> eh, or C++ on the client
[22:16] <Apocx> there are a million ways to skin a cat. pick one you think you can implement
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[22:17] <Encapsulation> hmm
[22:17] <mgottschlag> the good thing with gRPC is that you don't need to care about sockets or a web server, although raw sockets are not exactly difficult either
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[22:17] <Bilby> meiamsome: not a bad idea
[22:18] <mgottschlag> just not as convenient if you want a web client at some point in time, because JS can't handle raw sockets
[22:18] <mgottschlag> (or Thrift or any other RPC framework instead of gRPC)
[22:18] <Encapsulation> =\
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[22:18] <Bilby> Encapsulation: any server-side language can handle logic in response to HTML buttons, it’s jsut finding the one that works best for you
[22:19] <Encapsulation> so I build the html page, it controls the server side languiage of my choice, and that will communicate with my c++ code
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[22:19] <Encapsulation> how does the server side language connect with the c++ code
[22:19] <Encapsulation> without using the messenger file idea
[22:19] <Encapsulation> they could both connect to a database?
[22:19] <meiamsome> yes
[22:19] <Encapsulation> which could store all settings?
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[22:19] <traeak> if you dont' use js/css and don't need rpc communication the web server can be very simple
[22:19] <meiamsome> or you could use sockets, or unix domain sockets
[22:19] <mgottschlag> I'd let the HTML/JS frontend communicate directly with the C++ code via network
[22:19] <Bilby> Encapsulation: worth looking at: https://github.com/Microsoft/cpprestsdk
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[22:20] <meiamsome> I agree with mgottschlag, really
[22:20] <Bilby> implement an API and you can point whatever you want at it, apps, websites, whatever
[22:20] <Apocx> most web servers (apache/etc) can also run custom C++ modules. but that may be a bit too complex if you aren't familiar with it
[22:20] <mgottschlag> websockets, some C++ web server implementation (there have to be lots of libraries), or some RPC library
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[22:20] <Encapsulation> wait...
[22:20] <traeak> the cpprest doesnt' support linux?
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[22:21] <Encapsulation> hmm
[22:21] <Encapsulation> nvm
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[22:21] <Encapsulation> confused but moving closer to a solution I think
[22:21] <mgottschlag> we've had mixed experience with Thrift RPC in our last project, but that's mostly because the code quality isn't that great... RPC libraries in general are really convenient
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[22:22] <Encapsulation> let the HTML/JS page communicate witrh the coxe via network?
[22:22] <Encapsulation> is that whatt he rpc library does
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[22:22] <mgottschlag> yes
[22:23] <Encapsulation> that would be a better choice than having both frontend and backend read and write from a database?
[22:23] <traeak> what problems does grpc have ?
[22:23] <traeak> avoid database if you can
[22:23] <traeak> really
[22:23] <mgottschlag> a database isn't meant for communication
[22:23] <Encapsulation> ok
[22:23] <Encapsulation> so C++ is my rpi code and drives the hardware directly
[22:24] <mgottschlag> it's meant for storage, so use it if you need to persist data :)
[22:24] <Encapsulation> html//js webpage has the gui
[22:24] <Encapsulation> and those connect with an rpc library somehow?
[22:24] <Encapsulation> or is there an easier way
[22:24] <Encapsulation> I'm going to start some deep research once I figure out which method makes sense
[22:24] <mgottschlag> I find RPC libraries/compilers to be the easiest logic
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[22:24] <mgottschlag> Encapsulation: basically, you'd write an API declaration like the one on the left here: http://www.grpc.io/
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[22:25] <traeak> grpc is good to go though ?
[22:25] <Encapsulation> GRPC vs REST?
[22:25] <mgottschlag> and the RPC compiler would generate 1) a C++ server stub where you fill in the implementation and 2) JS code which provides a nice function based API and which takes the parameters and generates network requests
[22:25] <mgottschlag> REST is possible as well, if you find an easy-to-use C++ library for it
[22:25] <mgottschlag> traeak: I've never used gRPC, but it looks pretty good
[22:26] <Encapsulation> why might I choose rerst over rpc
[22:26] <mgottschlag> and, it's from google, so I am confident that the code quality won't be as bad as Thrift RPC was :)
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[22:27] <traeak> looks like grpc has good backing
[22:27] <mgottschlag> Encapsulation: REST is raw HTTP, so it is more compatible with exotic languages
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[22:27] <traeak> and this communication pipe isn't tighly coupled with the web browser model
[22:28] <Encapsulation> would either method be better if I wanted to add an android app to control the C++ code later as well
[22:28] <traeak> which to me is a huge positive
[22:28] <mgottschlag> Encapsulation: not much of a difference
[22:28] <mgottschlag> except that an RPC compiler saves you the hassle of writing yet another HTTP REST client :)
[22:29] <mgottschlag> and automates all that wrapper code writing
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[22:29] <mgottschlag> because with REST, you need to do manual marshalling of your data into a REST request
[22:29] <traeak> pretty funny, this IDL type thing has been going on a long time
[22:29] <mgottschlag> so you need to write some glue code for all your clients
[22:30] <traeak> late 90's i can't remember the name of teh interface thing that was in vogue at the time
[22:30] <mgottschlag> yeah, probably even earlier
[22:30] <Encapsulation> sounds like rpc makes more sense
[22:30] <mgottschlag> I mean to remember a paper from 84 (?) where RPC was introduced
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[22:32] <mgottschlag> hm, I had Xerox Courier in mind, but apparently that's not a complete RPC system in the modern sense (no compiler)
[22:33] <Bilby> I’m accustomed to REST anymore, especially since that’s almost always the API that’s exposed by modern web services. There are tons of libraries out there but yeah, it is frustrating when you realize you can’t find anything that fits your need and you have to write your own for the hundredth time lol
[22:33] * Tenkawa notes that kodi takes a long time to compile on a dual exynos box (yes.. doing it just because i wanted to see it)
[22:33] <traeak> corba, that's the name of it
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[22:34] * Tenkawa has way too many memories of corba in the 90's
[22:34] <traeak> was nly briefly exposed to it, seemed like a ton of overhead for whatever it was supposed to do
[22:35] <Magnifikus> so i got a problem, i have an 800x600 tft but an application thats needs ~952x656 so any idea for a virtual screen resolution and downscaling?
[22:35] <Magnifikus> i dont care for blurred fonts whatever
[22:36] <Bilby> you can’t force it down?
[22:37] <Bilby> anything you use for scaling is going to have blur
[22:37] <traeak> fix the application?
[22:37] <TrekBike> Especially if the resolutions are not even multiples of eachother
[22:37] <Magnifikus> i can run it at 1600x1200 also
[22:38] <Magnifikus> it scales up fine
[22:38] <Magnifikus> it just has minimal size of that
[22:38] <traeak> shuffle the widgets around
[22:44] <EvilDMP_> I am trying to get a Raspberry Pi 2 working with a 1280x1024 VGA display
[22:44] <EvilDMP_> Will it drive that as well as the 7" touchscreen?
[22:44] <EvilDMP_> at the same time, that is
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[22:45] <EvilDMP_> the display seems to recognise that something is connected, but nothing appears on it
[22:45] <Tachyon`> is it safe to plug a standard 3 pole 3.5mm audio plug into the 4 pole Pi 2 jack?
[22:45] <Tachyon`> or is an adapter needed
[22:46] <EvilDMP_> OK, looks like the answer is no, not at the same time
[22:46] <Tachyon`> you might be able to do what you want using a USB to VGA adapter assuming linux has drivers for it
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[22:47] <Tachyon`> although I'd be a bit concerned about the bandwidth over the single internal usb port
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[22:47] <EvilDMP_> Tachyon`: this is an HDMI-VGA adaptor
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[22:50] <Tachyon`> I didn't say it wasn't.
[22:50] <Tachyon`> I suggested a USB to VGA adapter would resolve the conflict if supported
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[22:51] <Bilby> EvilDMP_: from what i’ve seen the Pi should be able to drive both the pi touchscreen and an external HDMI
[22:51] <Bilby> can you test on an HDMI display to see if it works without the adapter?
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[22:52] <Bilby> Tachyon`: it should work, but you might have noise depending on the pin alignment
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[22:52] <Tachyon`> Bilby, ahh, okay, thanks, want to connect kodi pi to amp as tv speakers are .... not great
[22:53] <Bilby> aha yeah
[22:53] <Tachyon`> honestly, they spend all that money on producing a good panel then almost invariably pair it with crap speakers
[22:54] <Bilby> the Pi 2’s TRRS jack is Left-Right-Ground-Video. Sometimes the jack’s ground ends up on both ground and video which can cause some noise, but I think it should be okay
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[23:00] <Tenkawa> one more pi2 built ready to hook up once i get home yay
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[23:03] <EvilDMP_> Bilby: yes, I thought it should work with both
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[23:07] <Berg> another disciple for rpi i just gave my you8ngest son a pi 2
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[23:07] <Berg> should be fun toi watch
[23:07] <Berg> hello world
[23:08] <mananm> hello
[23:09] <mananm> anyone familiar to Retropie here?
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[23:21] <b00s3d> hey can anyone please tell me what /etc/apt/sources.list looks like on jessie lite, or do i have to use 30 minutes on figuring out how to extract/mount an img file so i can take a look at the /etc/apt/source.list ?? :)
[23:21] <b00s3d> please if you have a link that supports the same info as you are posting here
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[23:22] <sabbie> Does software PWM work for driving digital RGB led strips?
[23:23] <pksato> sabbie: yes. why not?
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[23:25] <deshipu> b00s3d: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loop_device
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[23:27] <pksato> to mount sd image, need to know partition offsets.
[23:28] <b00s3d> is tehre a site where repo is explained?
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[23:30] <pksato> b00s3d: but, lite and normal raspian have same apt repository.
[23:30] <mlelstv> pksato, because software PWM at 800kHz is difficult to do?
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[23:31] <t3chguy> mlelstv: he didn't say he wanted Neopixels, he might be using 4-wire RGB (one colour at a time) strips
[23:31] <pksato> mlelstv: that rate need to led strip? I think is on Hz range.
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[23:31] <t3chguy> Neopixels need 400-800kHz, 4-wire RGB Strips don't even need PWM, but any PWM-effect can change the effective brightness which is required for mixing the R-G-B
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[23:32] <b00s3d> \
[23:32] <b00s3d> found it :)
[23:32] <b00s3d> exit
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[23:32] <mlelstv> well, I wouldn't call 4-wire RGB Strips "digital", but you are right. These don't require high frequencies.
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[23:36] <sabbie> pksato, I don't know. I'm pretty new to this stuff. :p I figured that it might not be accurate enough
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[23:38] <sabbie> I was thinking something like this: http://www.buyledstrip.com/en/led-strip-rgb-60-leds-m-waterproof-per-50cm.html
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[23:51] <sabbie> So I'm guessing I'l need neopixel
[23:51] <mlelstv> that one is just rgb, the whole strip shows the same color on all LEDs.
[23:51] <EvilDMP_> when I create a Raspbian boot SD from the image at https://www.raspberrypi.org/downloads/ on an 8GB card, I need to reconfigure it once it's in the Pi so that the full 8GB is available
[23:52] <EvilDMP_> is there a way to do this in advance?
[23:52] <mlelstv> The "digital" strips allow to control color for each LED individually.
[23:52] <BurtyB> EvilDMP_, do it once, make an image and write that?
[23:52] <sabbie> yeah, I thought it was the digital one, sorry about that
[23:52] <EvilDMP_> BurtyB: I am in fact going to have to write 50 SD card images...
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[23:57] <b00s3d> hei, its really hard to get information on the web i think.. i have been searching for this file "/etc/apt/sources.list" that belongs to raspbian lite for raspberrypi for a long time now, and i have not found anywhere online where i can read the original file contents or anything like that :s
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[23:59] <deshipu> b00s3d: 10s of googling: http://www.raspbian.org/RaspbianFAQ#What_do_I_need_in_my_sources.list_file_to_access_the_Raspbian_repository.3F
[23:59] <hakat> so, you're unable to install raspbian on a new platform and cat the file?

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