#raspberrypi IRC Log


IRC Log for 2016-01-15

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[0:00] <hakat> right, repo
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[0:00] <deshipu> replace 'wheezu' with the version you have
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[0:01] <b00s3d> 20 sec of duckduckgo.com:
[0:01] <b00s3d> http://www.raspbian.org/RaspbianRepository
[0:02] <b00s3d> i just found that by now, what i was really looking for was the original sources.list file from the distro
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[0:05] <EvilDMP_> What is the default Raspbian desktop? I don't really get Linux desktop environments - are they just skins, or are they more fundamental than that?
[0:05] <EvilDMP_> I wish the default one looked a bit more modern
[0:06] <BurtyB> you could always upgrade to the command line :)
[0:08] <DANtheBEASTman> EvilDMP_: linux desktop environments are usually collections of modular pieces. lxde is basically just (which i think is the default raspbian DE) openbox (which is a standalone window manager) and lxpanel (which is a simple panel)
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[0:09] <EvilDMP_> BurtyB: that's what I am used to, but I am setting up 50 of these for PyCon Namibia, and we'll be using browsers and other tools as well
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[0:09] <DANtheBEASTman> i'm generalizing, lxde inlcudes several more tools than just those two but they're the two key, visible pieces
[0:09] <sabbie> t3chguy: so, am I right to understand that software PWM goes to about 100hz?
[0:09] <EvilDMP_> DANtheBEASTman: so http://mate-desktop.org for example replaces all of that?
[0:10] <t3chguy> sabbie: it can go much higher. But it's not reliable and depends on what else is running
[0:10] <EvilDMP_> below MATE/ldxe is the command line, in other words
[0:10] <DANtheBEASTman> EvilDMP_: yes, but it's a bit more resource intensive and probably won't run as nicely
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[0:10] <EvilDMP_> DANtheBEASTman: it was jsut for example
[0:11] <EvilDMP_> and an application with a GUI has to be written for a particular desktop ?
[0:11] <DANtheBEASTman> EvilDMP_: well, no
[0:11] <DANtheBEASTman> for the most part you can run just about any program in any DE
[0:12] <EvilDMP_> so the DEs share common APIs, expectations, etc?
[0:12] <mlelstv> not really
[0:12] <DANtheBEASTman> the application itself will usually have no idea (nor care) what DE environment it's running in
[0:12] <mlelstv> they share the common display API
[0:12] <DANtheBEASTman> but applications will target a specific gui toolkit, either GTK or QT
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[0:13] <DANtheBEASTman> the gui toolkit determines how checkboxes or buttons or input fields are rendered
[0:13] <EvilDMP_> I see, and these toolkits will both simultaneously be supported in different DEs?
[0:13] <ozzzy> generally
[0:13] <mlelstv> the DEs don't need to support them.
[0:14] <EvilDMP_> can you look at an application and say, that looks like a GTK application rather than one using QT?
[0:14] <mlelstv> sort of
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[0:15] <mlelstv> there are themes or skins that look similar. But the default looks are distinguishable.
[0:15] <DANtheBEASTman> almost always, if you know what you're looking for, but usually there are 'compatibility' themes
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[0:16] <EvilDMP_> Can you recommend a more modern looking-and-feeling DE for Raspbian, that's not too heavy for a Pi 2?
[0:16] <EvilDMP_> Or would you recommend staying with the default?
[0:16] <DANtheBEASTman> but as long as you have the toolkit libraries and dependencies you can usually run any program in any DE
[0:16] <DANtheBEASTman> honestly i would recommend stay with openbox. you can replace lxpanel with xfce-panel, or even hack together your own panel
[0:17] <DANtheBEASTman> but openbox is a good choice for the wm
[0:18] <DANtheBEASTman> you should be able to install/run obconf and change the window decorations, and run lxappearance and change the toolkit theme
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[0:19] <sabbie> t3chguy: but could I cut up a neopixel strip into 4 pieces, connect them in parallel and use the pi's PWM pin to control all 4 strips?
[0:19] <sabbie> with say, 3 leds per strip
[0:20] <t3chguy> sabbie: that's worse than one continuous strip
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[0:20] <EvilDMP_> Can you recommend Firefox on the Pi 2?
[0:20] <t3chguy> In theory you can run two at full capability. Using the audio pwm pin
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[0:21] <t3chguy> Similarly to the unicorn hat
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[0:22] <EvilDMP_> And can you recommend a GUI text editor with good command line integration, that can open not just files but whole directory hierarchies of files?
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[0:25] <DANtheBEASTman> EvilDMP_: vim
[0:25] <sabbie> t3chguy: ok, but 3 pixels is something like 3cm, so I might be able to just put some long wires (~15cm) in between the 4 segments to extend them and then use it as a single strip?
[0:25] <EvilDMP_> DANtheBEASTman: there's a GUI version of vim?!
[0:25] <DANtheBEASTman> EvilDMP_: it's an adventure in itself, but it will absolutely change the way you edit text. yeah, vim has gvim
[0:25] <t3chguy> sabbie: that would be better
[0:25] <DANtheBEASTman> EvilDMP_: i'm pretty sure it's the package vim-gtk in the debian repos
[0:26] <t3chguy> Or use an arduino or other real-time processor
[0:26] <sabbie> would the long wires in between cause any problems with resistance or something?
[0:26] <t3chguy> Well you only need to chain the data wire and have a referenced ground
[0:26] <t3chguy> The 5v source can be a different one
[0:26] <sabbie> oh yeah, ofcourse
[0:27] <EvilDMP_> DANtheBEASTman: OK - but I don't want adventures just now, I just need to know that there's a reliable easy-to-get-going text editor that people can use in a Python workshop, even if they have not used Linux before
[0:27] <sabbie> so, if I take a thick wire, it shouldn't be a problem, right?
[0:27] <DANtheBEASTman> EvilDMP_: personally I always run vim inside tmux [inside a terminal], I find there's little to gain in running a text-editor in a graphical environment..
[0:27] <sabbie> arduino could be good, but the nice thing about pi's is that I can linux on them ;)
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[0:27] <DANtheBEASTman> EvilDMP_: you could try geany if you want something less 'adventurous'
[0:27] <mlelstv> sabbie, did you look at http://www.instructables.com/id/Build-your-own-Ambilight-clone-with-the-Raspberry-/ ?
[0:27] <DANtheBEASTman> or gedit
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[0:28] <EvilDMP_> gedit looks suitable, thanks
[0:29] <sabbie> mlelstv: that just shows me the main page of instructables
[0:29] <t3chguy> sabbie: could always get something like https://shop.pimoroni.com/collections/hats/products/propeller-hat
[0:29] <t3chguy> Which sticks a powerful real-time processor onto a pi, for it to be controlled by the pi
[0:29] <EvilDMP_> DANtheBEASTman: any opinions on Firefox/IceWeasel?
[0:30] <DANtheBEASTman> EvilDMP_: but if you're working with python, or any source code, i seriously, highly recommend vim. it takes a day or two to get used to, absolutely worth it
[0:30] <DANtheBEASTman> EvilDMP_: firefox/iceweasel will run on rpi, but not nicely
[0:30] <DANtheBEASTman> try it yourself
[0:31] <EvilDMP_> I know, all my colleagues swear by vim, though I just love TextMate on OS - but we have two days of workshops at this conference, and can't expect people to spend one learning vim
[0:31] <EvilDMP_> OS X
[0:31] <Hammered|> The Propeller is part of the Basic Stamp family or microprocessors.
[0:31] <Hammered|> Microcontrollers.
[0:32] <mlelstv> sabbie, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kf2WNVrerck
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[0:32] <DANtheBEASTman> EvilDMP_: midori is a pretty good choice for the rpi honestly, unless you really need the dev tools
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[0:34] <EvilDMP_> DANtheBEASTman: there'll be some web workshops, but I doubt very frontend-heavy so no need for dev tools, thanks
[0:34] <EvilDMP_> I'll try Midori, looks good
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[0:34] <DANtheBEASTman> should be installed by default..
[0:37] <sabbie> thanks mlelstv, that's proves that the pi can do it
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[0:39] <mlelstv> this https://shop.pimoroni.com/products/unicorn-hat is a small version, basically a 64 pixel strip
[0:39] <sabbie> that propeller looks good t3chguy, I guess I'll buy the parts and try to get it to work with the pi's pwm signal, if that doesn't work, I'll go for the hat
[0:39] <t3chguy> sabbie: look at unicorn-hat on github
[0:39] <t3chguy> It uses the PWM hardware in the pi
[0:40] <t3chguy> Which is normally used for analog audio
[0:40] <t3chguy> Off to sleep now, cya
[0:40] <sabbie> me too, nn, and thanks again t3chguy!
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[1:11] <MrZhi> how many serial connections can a ftdi handle?
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[1:14] <CoJaBo> wa?
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[1:26] <jham1> Still messing with 1-wire and SPI...So no help from me.
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[2:42] <aem> does pi 0 take same power supply as rpi2?
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[2:43] <Apocx> they both take 5V yes. not sure about current
[2:43] <aem> in terms of amps i mean
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[2:43] <Tenkawa> hi all
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[2:48] <Tenkawa> whats new all?
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[2:54] <sanitypassing> I have an incredibly stupid question: is it possible to use a SATA drive as the primary storage device on a raspberry pi 2?
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[2:55] <sir_galahad_ad> sanitypassing: yes and no
[2:56] <sanitypassing> is it complicated and/or expensive?
[2:56] <sir_galahad_ad> probably mostly no
[2:56] <sanitypassing> honestly, I just want to avoid dropping $20 on a SD card
[2:56] <sanitypassing> and add some mass storage for a mini NAS
[2:56] <sir_galahad_ad> you still have to boot of off of the sd card and then mount the drive via USB adapter as /
[2:57] <sir_galahad_ad> there's no way to avoid booting off of the SD card AFAIK
[2:57] <sanitypassing> ah, I have a 512 MB SD card lying around. Would that be sufficient for it?
[2:58] <sir_galahad_ad> in theory maybe, but i haven't really explored doing that.
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[2:59] <sanitypassing> Alright, thanks.
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[3:07] <shinji257> I think you just need space for the boot partition. I think I remember seeing a module that could be defined to the kernel to mount a USB device as the root partition. You still needed the SD card for the bootup with it but it may be worth checking out.
[3:07] <sir_galahad_ad> he left :(
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[3:17] <sir_galahad_ad> kind of a meta question, but is it reasonable to cut and and strip the wires from a cat 5 couple for use as jumper wires on a breadboard?
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[4:01] <aem> anybody?
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[4:05] <sir_galahad_ad> ?
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[4:09] <krustycheerio> Hey guys, what can I used with the raspberry pi that can push a button? I basically want to push the button of the coffee machine so it can be ready by the time I wake up.
[4:12] <sir_galahad_ad> krustycheerio: you could remove the the power switch and replace it with a relay powered and use the GPIO pins of the pi to turn it on/off
[4:13] <sir_galahad_ad> (in theory)
[4:15] <krustycheerio> Im afraid I have no idea how to do that.
[4:15] <krustycheerio> I enjoy messing with electronics but this is a $200 machine and would not want to ruin it.
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[4:16] <sir_galahad_ad> you could look into finding an actuator to actually push the button but i suspect such a thing won't be easy to find
[4:18] <shinji257> sir_galahad_ad: for your earlier question I would say that it would be perfectly reasonable if the wires were the right size for your needs.
[4:18] <sir_galahad_ad> thanks shinji257 :)
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[4:22] <krustycheerio_> I have heard of a linear actuator before, ill look into that more. I bought a relay to try and control an older cheap coffee machine I had but was unsuccessful.
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[4:25] <thehebs> hey i just went through this https://www.raspberrypi.org/documentation/remote-access/vnc/
[4:26] <thehebs> but for some reason i cant connect in tightvncviewer in windows
[4:26] <thehebs> any idears/
[4:26] <merrick`> any errors?
[4:26] <thehebs> nope
[4:27] <merrick`> when you try to connect with the client, no popups or anything?
[4:27] <thehebs> "error in tightvnc viewer: no such host is known"
[4:27] <thehebs> im trying
[4:27] <thehebs> is that right?
[4:27] <thehebs> ive tried without the port, ive tried etc...
[4:27] <krustycheerio_> How would you actually go about removing the power switch and controlling it with the relay? Hypothetically.
[4:28] <merrick`> assuming that's the right IP address and vnc is running and is attached to display 0...
[4:28] <thehebs> any great way to confirm?
[4:28] <merrick`> on your (i'm assuming pi) do you have ssh access/terminal access of any sort?
[4:28] <thehebs> yup
[4:29] <merrick`> ifconfig should tell you the IP address
[4:29] <thehebs> thats how ive been configuring most stuff
[4:29] <thehebs> yea i know that. its
[4:29] <thehebs> 27
[4:29] <merrick`> run "ps aux|grep vnc" and it should give you a list of processes running that have "vnc" in them
[4:29] <thehebs> yea i did that a minute ago and i only see one
[4:29] <merrick`> and one of those processes should be the vnc server with all the arguments you've passed to it, including the display its running on
[4:29] <thehebs> pi 984 0.0 0.1 4260 1872 pts/0 S+ 21:29 0:00 grep --color=auto vnc
[4:29] <merrick`> doesn't look like the vnc server is running
[4:30] <sir_galahad_ad> krustycheerio_: my idea was for a coffee machine that just runs when you apply power
[4:30] <thehebs> sudo /etc/init.d/vncboot start
[4:30] <thehebs> Starting VNC Server
[4:30] <thehebs> Warning: raspberrypi:0 is taken because of /tmp/.X0-lock
[4:30] <thehebs> Remove this file if there is no X server raspberrypi:0
[4:30] <thehebs> A VNC server is already running as :0
[4:31] <merrick`> you booting into a graphical interface and having vnc running?
[4:31] <thehebs> yea
[4:31] <merrick`> iirc i had to move my vnc to display 1 to work
[4:31] <merrick`> (checking)
[4:31] <merrick`> one sec.
[4:31] <thehebs> k
[4:32] <sir_galahad_ad> krustycheerio_: the pi can handle the amount of power it would take to run a coffee machine so the relay would handle the heavy part of the power supply by using a smaller voltage from one of the pi's GPIO pins to tell the relay to pass along the real power
[4:32] <krustycheerio_> sir_galahad_ad: that is how this coffee machine works. Just one button and it starts. This is the one if you're interested: http://www.amazon.com/dp/B014I5OWCO/ref=wl_it_dp_o_pC_S_ttl?_encoding=UTF8&colid=2E8NNXLKWGQ1R&coliid=I2BKE31TF7XFUF
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[4:33] <merrick`> thehebs, yeah, looks like i moved mine over to :1
[4:33] <thehebs> sudo /etc/init.d/vncboot start
[4:33] <thehebs> Starting VNC Server
[4:33] <thehebs> New 'X' desktop is raspberrypi:1
[4:33] <thehebs> Starting applications specified in /home/pi/.vnc/xstartup
[4:33] <thehebs> Log file is /home/pi/.vnc/raspberrypi:1.log
[4:33] <merrick`> looks good
[4:33] <thehebs> so i should do
[4:33] <merrick`> yep
[4:33] <thehebs> no dice
[4:34] <merrick`> same error?
[4:34] <thehebs> error in tightvnc viewer: the requested service provider could not be loaded or initialized
[4:34] <sir_galahad_ad> krustycheerio_: i'm wondering from the looks of that machine if the one button might be connected to an internal relay anyway..might be worth checking with a multimeter
[4:34] <sir_galahad_ad> hello vdamewood
[4:35] <krustycheerio_> sir_galahad_ad: Im more of a software guy so I am afraid to open it up and end up ruining the machine lol. How about a power switch tail?
[4:35] <sir_galahad_ad> krustycheerio_: also i am terrified of giving you bad advice for an expensive machine :P
[4:35] <merrick`> hrm, at least we made the error change :X
[4:36] <merrick`> i think i had to disable something else, like a security thing maybe (which i was ok with cuz im only going over local network..not the best idea but meh)
[4:36] <thehebs> any idea what it was?
[4:36] <aem> Apocx google aint yielding good results
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[4:37] <merrick`> im confusing my vino vnc server and my tightvnc server, sorry, i was mistaken on that last thing
[4:37] <Chillum> I think instead of providing a full 8 grounds through the GPIOs they could have spared two to break out a usb data +/- port
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[4:37] <merrick`> if you do the ps aux|grep do you get more things this time?
[4:38] <thehebs> merrick`: http://pastebin.com/vWemgFih
[4:38] <merrick`> thehebs, what program are you using to try to connect to vnc on your pi?
[4:39] <merrick`> that looks good
[4:39] <thehebs> tightvncviewer
[4:39] <vdamewood> sir_galahad_ad: Yo
[4:41] <merrick`> thehebs, just some quick googling leads me to believe that's something that's a problem in windows
[4:41] <thehebs> ok
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[4:41] <merrick`> http://www.sevenforums.com/windows-updates-activation/322297-windows-update-service-unable-start-error-0x8007277a.html
[4:42] <merrick`> might help you thehebs , always can try a quick reboot too :)
[4:42] <merrick`> the second post there seemed to resolve the issue for a couple people, and seems quick/easy enough for a shot (even though it's referring to windows update ::shrug::)
[4:43] <merrick`> could always try from a different PC to make sure it's the windows pc you're on and not the vnc server :)
[4:43] <thehebs> yea just tried it
[4:43] <thehebs> lemme reboot
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[4:48] <sir_galahad_ad> vdamewood: fancy meeting you here
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[4:49] <thehebs> man i need to get a bnc again
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[4:49] <vdamewood> sir_galahad_ad: I hoin about 20 channels every time I connect
[4:49] <vdamewood> join
[4:50] <sir_galahad_ad> what are the others?
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[4:50] <thehebs> sweet merrick` were working now
[4:50] <merrick`> awesome thehebs :D
[4:50] <merrick`> now whatcha gonna do?
[4:51] <thehebs> well ive had this thing sitting in the floor for months. bought it to run octoprint on my 3d printer
[4:51] <thehebs> i got octoprint installed inside raspbian, and also dual booted with open elec
[4:52] <merrick`> you got an affordable 3d printer? (i have some amazon cash sitting around...burning a hole)
[4:52] <thehebs> now just getting some other essentials installed inside raspbian
[4:52] <merrick`> nice
[4:52] <thehebs> i may attempt to get obd2 data logging working in my car
[4:52] <sir_galahad_ad> oooh
[4:53] <thehebs> but last time i tried something like this i ran into issues with arm support for java
[4:54] <thehebs> also debating using it for a brew controller
[4:54] <sir_galahad_ad> brew controller?
[4:55] <thehebs> sir_galahad_ad: yea, to control home breweries
[4:56] <sir_galahad_ad> but in what way?
[4:56] <vdamewood> sir_galahad_ad: The channels for pretty much every language, OS, and API I know and care about.
[4:56] <thehebs> you wire up some solid state relays and temp probes to the pi, and use software like brewpi or strangebrew
[4:56] <vdamewood> Also, some linguistic channels
[4:56] <thehebs> and it controls your brew setup
[4:57] <sir_galahad_ad> vdamewood: i never even noticed you were in ##csharp :P
[4:57] <thehebs> you have 3 vessels in most home breweries
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[4:58] <sir_galahad_ad> thehebs: i've done home winemaking before and my understanding was that brewing wasn't much different i don't remember much that needed controlling
[4:58] <thehebs> and you use solid state relays and a pi to control temperature of them electric heating elements
[4:58] <thehebs> sir_galahad_ad: theres lots
[4:59] <thehebs> with beer you basically heat up one tank with water at about 170, add it to another tank with grain (temp ends up at 150 or so), and you let it sit there for an hour (Called mashing)
[4:59] <thehebs> then you drain the water from the grain, into a boil kettle
[4:59] <thehebs> and boil for an hour, adding hops at certain times
[5:00] <thehebs> http://www.theelectricbrewery.com/
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[5:01] <thehebs> so the pi controls the temperature of the 3 vessels basically, as the beer goes through the process in each
[5:01] <thehebs> and the pi can also use relays to kick pumps on and off
[5:02] <sir_galahad_ad> eye sea
[5:03] <thehebs> http://brewtronix.com/
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[5:03] <thehebs> thats a pre made solution using a pi
[5:08] <sir_galahad_ad> i guess that answers one of my questions
[5:13] <merrick`> brew me a nice IPA :D
[5:14] <merrick`> only brewed a few times myself, never with my own setup, always with some serious brewers with all kinds of crazy contraptions and stuff
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[5:15] <thehebs> lol im probably going to do an ipa next actually
[5:16] <Giddles> hey raspberrys, do you got any idea @ network services #smarthome
[5:17] <Giddles> i run a pi in my Lan which provides a samba services :)
[5:18] <Giddles> is there anything usefully i could do with that?
[5:19] <merrick`> Giddles, there's a python library i played a bit with the other day for controlling philips hue lights
[5:19] <sir_galahad_ad> copy files to and from it...
[5:19] <merrick`> turned mine on and off a few times, played with dimmer stuff, etc.
[5:19] <merrick`> https://github.com/studioimaginaire/phue
[5:20] <Giddles> ,ah cool
[5:20] <Giddles> is there an easy to setup ftp client for the rpi available? :)
[5:20] <merrick`> anybody care to recommend a way to play audio/mp3 files from python? i'm seeing recommendations for pygame, pyaudio to just using mplayer/mpg123 etc.. is there a best practice?
[5:21] <Giddles> i had some problems in theh history with that
[5:22] <Giddles> damn what im writing
[5:22] <merrick`> Giddles, didn't have any problems but i didn't play with it much. although it might just be with the hue bridge or something as even sometimes my amazon echo doesn't change the lights..usually a second command works though through the echo
[5:22] <Giddles> ftp server i mean
[5:22] <merrick`> erp i didnt even read that :\
[5:22] <Giddles> amazon echo, hmk never heard about that ;)
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[5:23] <merrick`> it's a little tube you can talk to...it plays music controls lights answers questions etc.
[5:23] <Giddles> i can imagine
[5:23] <merrick`> Giddles, i've not setup an ftp server on the pi so i'm not sure about the resources etc, but i've used vsftpd in the past on other linux installations
[5:24] <Giddles> i search something beginnerfriendly
[5:24] <Giddles> a friend of mine setup me a workin system, now i want to renegeneer and enlarge ;)
[5:25] <merrick`> proftpd is also popular (and i think a bit more beginner friendly maybe?)
[5:25] <merrick`> really though, if you have ssh access already setup just use SFTP ;)
[5:25] <Giddles> ill try ;)
[5:25] <Giddles> nono just ftp ;)
[5:25] <Apocx> aem: Google isn't getting good results for what?
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[5:51] <Chillum> I am working on a board that will attach to a zero. It will provide a boost converter to run off of <5V batteries, a stereo audio out, and a full sized usb port. I think I will have room for a battery monitoring system too. You can do a lot in the space of a zero.
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[5:52] <merrick`> Chillum, got any prototypes yet?
[5:53] <Chillum> still in schematic phase
[5:53] <Chillum> but I have confirmed it fits ont he board with room to spare
[5:54] <Chillum> I am stealing the boost converter design from a $1 ebay converter, and got the audio from here: https://learn.adafruit.com/introducing-the-raspberry-pi-zero/audio-outputs
[5:54] <Chillum> I am making my board with routing and castellations in it so it can solder directly to the usb test points
[5:54] <merrick`> are you going to have to use dithering on the audio outputs at all?
[5:55] <Chillum> and am thinking about incoorperating a DS2438 for battery monitoring
[5:55] <Chillum> just this: https://learn.adafruit.com/introducing-the-raspberry-pi-zero/audio-outputs
[5:55] <Chillum> I am mostly using it for a synthetic voice so quality is not that crucial
[5:56] <merrick`> I've only played with the pi 2, but apparently it uses some dithering which I understand smoothes the sound out significantly, but the amount of white noise it introduces is...not ideal.
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[5:57] <Chillum> from the page I linked, the B+ and Pi 2 "has a driving buffer on the audio PWM lines for better current drive and it uses a cleaner 2.5V reference for better quality audio."
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[5:57] <Chillum> trying to keep my part count down though
[5:57] <Chillum> doing this by hand
[5:57] <Giddles> ow ow ow
[5:57] <Giddles> i done some bad stuff
[5:58] <Giddles> i created a dir /var/www but i wanted to create it in /home/pi/ftp/ @ proftpd ;)
[5:58] <Giddles> is this easy to refix?
[5:58] <merrick`> Giddles, yeah. I'd suggest getting familiar with some basic linux commands though.
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[5:58] <Giddles> hrhr
[5:58] * Giddles runs away ^^
[5:59] <merrick`> You'll want the move command. "mv"
[5:59] <merrick`> or just use a gui and click and drag stuff i guess :P
[5:59] <Giddles> ah well i chmode g+s it, chmod 775 and -r www-data:data-www :D
[5:59] <Giddles> ah well so it isnt the world i got to do?
[6:00] <merrick`> doesn't sound like it but i'm not exactly sure what you're after...either way sounds easy enough to fix.
[6:00] <merrick`> if all else just remove the directory you created and start again :)
[6:01] <Giddles> ah well it works fine
[6:02] <merrick`> as long as you're confident your permissions are correct you should be fine :)
[6:03] <Giddles> well what should happen ;)
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[6:06] <merrick`> if there's other users on your box you dont want mucking around in other directories and stuff...
[6:07] <Giddles> well nope
[6:07] <Giddles> its just a rpi running 24/7 as small network storage
[6:07] <Giddles> :D
[6:07] <merrick`> understanding what you're putting in would still be good. just a suggestion.
[6:07] <Giddles> so how can i recommand this chmod things?
[6:08] <Giddles> just delete the path?
[6:08] <Giddles> and then delete my virtual user?
[6:08] <Giddles> and all commands gone?
[6:08] <merrick`> I'm not sure what you're asking, and I need to go to sleep. Sorry :\
[6:08] <Giddles> hm
[6:08] <Giddles> gn8
[6:08] <merrick`> nite!
[6:10] <AiGreek> 'morning
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[6:15] <Giddles> is a NCID client/logger software for the rpi available?
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[6:29] <thehebs> hey guys i am trying to get my webcam working on startup, for octoprint
[6:29] <thehebs> to get it working manually i run ./mjpg_streamer -i "./input_uvc.so" -o "./output_http.so"
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[6:30] <thehebs> in the /home/pi/mjpg_streamer/mjpg_streamer_experimental/ folder
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[6:30] <thehebs> how can i make that work automatically in the background on startup
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[6:37] <ziesemer> thehebs: Some would tell you to write a systemd service for it. Or, you could look at /etc/rc.local .
[6:38] <ziesemer> Could look at sudo so that it would still run as "pi" instead of as "root".
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[6:39] <aem> sanitypassing i think you can i remember googling it and seeing that it was
[6:39] <aem> but maybe not i googled this a few months back
[6:39] <aem> anybody know any usb hubs that can power the pi zero too?
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[6:42] <ziesemer> aem: http://elinux.org/RPi_Powered_USB_Hubs
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[6:45] <thehebs> ziesemer:
[6:45] <thehebs> i wrote this
[6:45] <thehebs> http://pastebin.com/Fw0hyYXc
[6:45] <thehebs> and put it in /etc/init.d
[6:46] <thehebs> when i do sudo update-rc.d webcam defaults
[6:46] <thehebs> i get "insserv: warning: script 'webcam' missing LSB tags and overrides"
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[6:48] <thehebs> when i do sudo /etc/init.d/webcam start, it works
[6:48] <thehebs> but it didnt seem to work on startup
[6:49] <Mead> so I rummaged through my box of computer stuff, and found these devices, think they will work with a Pi Zero?
[6:49] <ziesemer> If you're only worried about the startup, using /etc/rc.local would be "easier".
[6:50] <Mead> http://imgur.com/a/u0Jb7
[6:50] <ziesemer> Otherwise, you may need to follow-up with update-rc.d webcam enable
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[6:51] <thehebs> update-rc.d: error: webcam Default-Start contains no runlevels, aborting.
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[7:02] <ziesemer> Try with force (-f)?
[7:02] <ziesemer> Otherwise, https://wiki.debian.org/LSBInitScripts .
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[8:59] <b00s3d> i am having some troubles installing toxic onto my raspberrypi,
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[9:33] <Ispira> \o/ ordered a new monitor today
[9:33] <Ispira> which means I'll have a raspberry pi monitor again
[9:33] <Ispira> So I can use the pi for my intended purpose.
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[10:32] <dreamon> Is there a android app out there where I can communicate between RaspberryPI and a Android smartphone. I want to send some messages between them. bi-directional
[10:34] <BurtyB> a web browser - or maybe you need to be more specific?
[10:34] <creazur> If you're running Raspbian, you can connect with about any terminal type client
[10:35] <Anoia> I use vx connectbot to connect to the ssh on mine
[10:35] <creazur> It all depends on what you're running on your RasPi
[10:35] <Anoia> but webbrowser seesm the most practical and easiest
[10:36] <creazur> Shell in a box has worked fine for me
[10:36] <selckin> really depends on what type of message and what you're trying to accomplish
[10:36] <selckin> like if you want it work as notification (since bi-directionla)
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[11:42] <djazz> made the sd-card mount in readonly! woo!
[11:42] <djazz> less corruption on power loss i hope
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[11:44] <drkhsh> and no logs
[11:44] <djazz> it will be deployed for a project
[11:44] <drkhsh> ok
[11:44] <djazz> purpose: start a video over hdmi with motion sensor
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[11:45] <drkhsh> thats cool
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[11:47] <djazz> the boot is silent, no scrolling text or anything
[11:47] <djazz> complete black from boot
[11:47] <djazz> tty1 is disabled
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[12:28] <sudomarize> anyone here?
[12:28] <deshipu> no
[12:29] <Hitechcg> no
[12:29] <Armand> narp
[12:29] <sudomarize> damn
[12:30] <Hitechcg> nobody's home, go away
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[12:30] <Armand> lol
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[12:37] <knob> Good morning all!
[12:37] <Norky> hello
[12:37] <knob> How's it going over there Norky ?
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[12:37] <knob> amigojapan,
[12:38] <Norky> can anyone recommend a quality USB WiFi device with detachable aerial?
[12:38] <Norky> very well thanks, knob , life is good :)
[12:38] <Norky> how are you?
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[12:41] <Armand> Norky: Anything using the rt3570 is ok..
[12:41] <Armand> Norky: I bought 5 of these.. http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Mini-USB-150Mbps-WIFI-Wireless-Adaptor-802-11-B-G-N-Lan-Network-Dongle-Adapter-/201488368768?hash=item2ee9a48480:g:sIMAAOSwZ1lWd9Ir
[12:42] <Norky> it's hard to tell what chipset is in some devices :)
[12:43] <Jakdaw> Norky: http://www.amazon.co.uk/CSL-SuperSpeed-Wireless-detachable-frequency/dp/B015Z8EWGY/ref=sr_1_11?ie=UTF8&qid=1452858146&sr=8-11&keywords=csl-300
[12:43] <Jakdaw> ^- does 5Ghz as well as 2.4Ghz and full support for monitor mode etc
[12:43] <Norky> perfect, Jakdaw thanks
[12:43] <Norky> actually, I think either would do
[12:45] <Jakdaw> doing anything interesting with it?
[12:45] <Norky> I've set up an rpi as an OpenWrt router with 3G, WiFi and Ethernet, but the tiny WiFi adapter I'm using has pretty limited range, I wanted something I coudl plug my existing external aerial into
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[12:46] <Norky> I'm not doing anything exciting :)
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[12:55] <Hitechcg> Get a better Wi-Fi adapter
[12:55] <Hitechcg> One with an antenna if you can find one
[12:56] <Armand> Hitechcg: You must have missed that point.
[12:56] <Norky> Hitechcg, yes, that's the point of my question ^
[12:56] <Hitechcg> oops :P
[12:56] <Norky> 'nana ;)
[12:56] <Hitechcg> I was reading from the bottom up :P
[12:56] <Norky> stop looking at my bottom!
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[12:57] * ShorTie Thinkz, ebay has them normally at a good price
[12:57] <ShorTie> as long as it's got Linux drivers it should work
[12:59] <Hitechcg> I'm currently using a Netgear WNA1100 with my Pi (set up as an IRC bouncer), but it doesn't have an antenna
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[13:03] <Hitechcg> (Raspbian testing, I just realized that OpenWRT may or may not have all the same drivers - does anyone know if this is true?)
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[13:07] <Norky> what chip is in the Netgear WNA1100?
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[13:20] <Hitechcg> atheros something
[13:20] <Hitechcg> I forget, but it just works on Linux
[13:21] <Norky> OpenWrt certainly has support for some Atheros devices, using the 'madwifi' driver I *think*
[13:22] <Hitechcg> idk then, at least Raspbian uses the ath9k driver
[13:23] <Hitechcg> oops, by "on Linux" I meant most regular desktop distros, OpenWRT is special becaust it's designed to only need a few megs space
[13:24] <Norky> https://wiki.openwrt.org/doc/devel/packages/kmod-ath9k
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[13:25] <Hitechcg> By the way, there's #openwrt
[13:25] <Hitechcg> Norky, 502 Bad Gateway for me
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[13:26] <Norky> try refreshing, I get that 502 sometimes
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[13:26] <Hitechcg> wow that's a relatively old nginx
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[13:27] <Hitechcg> But I'd guess Ubuntu 12.04 Server, so whatever, it's probably being supported for security
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[13:41] <nylon> raspberry pi sucks
[13:42] <nylon> you can't use it for anything
[13:42] <nylon> worst device ever
[13:42] <nylon> who's op in here?
[13:42] <nylon> !ops
[13:42] <gordonDrogon> me.
[13:42] <Hitechcg> because you want to be kicked/banned?
[13:42] <selckin> don't feed
[13:42] <nylon> gordonDrogon: you're a nooob. You know that thing when you pee in a glass and empty it in Hitechcg's face? That's what you're doing
[13:43] <gordonDrogon> oh joy.
[13:43] <Hitechcg> rofl
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[13:43] <nylon> Imagine two guys peeing in a glass when it's freezing outside but they're on the inside.
[13:44] <gordonDrogon> give it a rest, will you?
[13:44] <Hitechcg> gordonDrogon: no, this is hilarious
[13:44] <nylon> gordonDrogon: why are you persecuting me?
[13:44] <nylon> I didn't du nothin
[13:44] <gordonDrogon> just keep it family friendly as that's the rules here.
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[13:45] <nylon> okay. So I was "plowing" my hamster the other day. And it came. Now kids shouldn't know what that mean, so it's family friendly.
[13:45] * ChanServ sets mode +o gordonDrogon
[13:45] <nylon> :D
[13:45] <nylon> bai
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[13:46] <nylon> slowest ban ever rofl
[13:46] <nylon> keys got stuck?
[13:46] <nylon> it's nylon
[13:46] <Hitechcg> were you TRYING to get banned?
[13:46] <gordonDrogon> we're tolerant and like to think there is some good in people...
[13:46] <nylon> Hitechcg: yes
[13:46] <romm> Hey guys. I'm trying to boot my pi for the first time, without keyboard/mouse or screen. I edited the cmdline.txt with ip=... but it doesn't seem to work
[13:46] <nylon> Hitechcg: I have to ban-evade, so new account and host. Just having some fun meanwhile.
[13:47] <Kryczek> :|
[13:47] <Hitechcg> nylon: why, because you get banned so much?
[13:48] <romm> wireshark is showing some packets of type boot request, so it seems that it has a problem booting
[13:48] <romm> any idea what might be the cause?
[13:48] <Kryczek> romm: you mean BOOTP? That would be DHCP :)
[13:48] <nylon> Hitechcg: yes. I change my VPN ip and make a new free account once a week or so. I tend to be too honest for this network.
[13:48] <Kryczek> romm: so it looks like it didn't take the ip= into account, maybe the syntax is wrong?
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[13:49] <nylon> Hitechcg: for example, thsi time I got banned from ##physics for telling the truth that jazzdudes paper isn't making it because it's insignificant. He was complaining that nobody cared about it. Of course he had to ban me.
[13:49] <romm> Kryczek: hmm. it's at the end of the line, no spaces between "ip=" and the ip itself.
[13:49] <romm> Kryczek: let me check again.
[13:50] <Hitechcg> because everything you say is "the truth"
[13:51] <romm> Kryczek: does the DHCP request mean it booted into the kernel, or could it be that the boot manager is sending that?
[13:51] <Kryczek> romm: yes the DHCP happens towards the end of boot so everything else seems fine
[13:52] <Kryczek> I mean past the kernel and all
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[13:55] <Kryczek> romm: I never use the "ip=" on cmdline.txt so hopefully someone else here knows better, otherwise if you can mount the second partition then you can set the IP address in the etc/network/interfaces like the 3 lines on http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/saucy/man5/interfaces.5.html from "iface eth0-home inet static" to "netmask", tabs are important
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[13:57] <romm> I mount the sdcard on windows (only box i have with an sdcard slot) so i can only see the FAT boot partition. also windows seems to think there's an "issue" with the sdcard and suggests "fixing" it
[13:57] <romm> I guess it doesn't like the partition table or something, but maybe I should try writing the .img file again, just in case.
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[13:58] <mlelstv> romm, the issue is that the sd card contains something that is not windows and fixing means it should be erased.
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[13:58] <nylon> Hitechcg: alright, having a different opinion then
[13:58] <romm> Thanks Kryczek, i'll trying playing with it a bit more.
[13:58] <Hitechcg> Windoze always thinks there's an "issue"
[13:59] <Hitechcg> AFAIK there's no way to make it not say that without either formatting or a hexeditor, it sets some bit in the FAT.
[14:00] <Kryczek> romm: you're welcome :) Good luck and as a last recourse there is http://www.fs-driver.org/
[14:01] <gordonDrogon> nylon, are you interested in the Raspberry Pi at all?
[14:03] <Jezz> only if you give him a spoon and some cream to eat it with i guess.
[14:03] <Hitechcg> nylon: fair enough
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[14:16] <nylon> gordonDrogon: as long as it runs on electricy and I can pee on it, it's fine for me :3
[14:16] <nylon> a bath full of pee conduct better than tap water I think
[14:16] <nylon> I will not take a pee-bath with my rPI in it
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[14:23] <romm> Kryczek: okay, i might be mistaken, but it's possible the rpi guys messed up? the vanilla cmdline.txt has a newline in it at the end. is that the normal format?
[14:23] <romm> removing it fixed the issue.
[14:24] <uriah> what was the new line?
[14:24] <Bilby> \n ?
[14:25] <uriah> oh
[14:25] <uriah> heh
[14:25] <uriah> possibly a nano thing?
[14:25] <uriah> dunno
[14:25] <Bilby> romm what problem were you having, no boot?
[14:25] <mlelstv> a single newline should be normal
[14:26] <Kryczek> no further line should be ready anyway :)
[14:27] <romm> odd. maybe it wasn't that, but rather me reconnecting the cable a couple of times, but i did that beforehand as well.
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[14:28] <romm> Bilby: couldn't direct connect because ip=... wasn't read in the command line
[14:28] <Kryczek> romm: it's possible :) I just meant it's a bug if more than the first line is read
[14:28] <Bilby> huh
[14:29] <Bilby> you didn’t make -any- changes other than removing the newline?
[14:29] <romm> okay, for the sake of science, let me add the newline again
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[14:34] <romm> okay, disregard that. i have no idea what was the problem.
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[14:35] <romm> can't say i missed working with embedded devices and their quirks :)
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[14:46] <Bilby> lol
[14:47] <Bilby> that’s usually when i break out Notepad++ or TextMate and go hunting for non-printing-characters
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[14:51] <kapitanf> alsa fluidsynth
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[14:53] <Sonny_Jim> Fluidsynth is still a thing?
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[14:56] <RaTTuS|BIG> livestreamer http://www.ustream.tv/nasahdtv best for space!
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[15:17] <NicoHood> If i got an open sip port on a webserver, does it mean i can connect to it and call with it, or what does an open sip port mean? is it a vulnerable?
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[15:45] <deshipu> an open port means that there is a program running and accepting connections on that port
[15:46] <deshipu> what it does and whether it's vulnerable or not depends on that program
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[15:56] <Tenkawa> hi all
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[15:56] <creazur> Hello!
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[15:59] <creazur> As soon as I'll get home from work tonight, I'll start building a bass multieffect on top of RasPi 2
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[16:00] <gordonDrogon> NicoHood, SIP is a VoIP protocol.
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[16:00] <JK-47> sip is more broad than just voip.
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[16:02] <Inane> So I'm getting "Traceback (most recent call last):
[16:02] <Inane> File "./test.py", line 8, in <module>
[16:02] <Inane> GPIO.setmode(GPIO.BOARD)
[16:02] <Inane> AttributeError: 'module' object has no attribute 'setmode'
[16:02] <Inane> " when tying to run a script that worked yesterday. Any suggestions?
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[16:04] <deshipu> Inane: pastebin your whole code
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[16:05] <Inane> Its just a simple While loop http://pastebin.com/aV35P0Sn
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[16:07] <Inane> Might Flask have fucked with something?
[16:07] <Apocx> https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=32&t=34955
[16:07] <gordonDrogon> Inane, family friendly please.
[16:08] <Inane> Oh, sorry :D
[16:08] <Apocx> Basically, reinstall the library. Flask may very well have
[16:08] <gordonDrogon> Inane, Rules: https://goo.gl/h5qPhz
[16:09] <Inane> Okay gordonDrogon I'll make sure to follow them!
[16:10] <Inane> what would be the best way to reinstall the RPi library then?
[16:11] <Inane> apt-get remove --purge?
[16:15] <Inane> ls
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[16:16] <Inane> ops had the wrong programed opened sorry
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[16:35] <deshipu> Inane: I think that you want "from RPi import GPIO" and not "import RPi as GPIO"
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[16:36] <Anoia> what a silly keyword ordering
[16:36] <Anoia> import GPIO from RPi would be better
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[16:36] <Anoia> and also allow just an import X if it's ambiguous :)
[16:36] <Anoia> anyway, tangent
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[16:38] <deshipu> Anoia: write a PEP
[16:38] <Inane> deshipu thanks! But whats the difference, and why has import as worked before?
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[16:38] <deshipu> Inane: it couldn't have worked before
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[16:39] <deshipu> Inane: the difference is that "import RPi as GPIO" imports the RPi module, and makes it available under the name GPIO
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[16:39] <deshipu> Inane: whereas "from RPi import GPIO" imports the "RPi.GPIO" module and makes it available as GPIO
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[16:40] <Inane> Guess I might have changed it without thinking then
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[16:57] <thehebs> hey whats the easiest way to make something run on startup in raspbian?
[16:58] <thehebs> i tried a few things last night, to no avail
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[16:58] <deshipu> rc.local?
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[17:00] <CrowderSoup> Hello all! Would this be an appropriate place to ask an electronics question related to building a tablet with my Raspberry Pi?
[17:00] <ppq> sure
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[17:02] <CrowderSoup> I'm going to be using my Raspberry Pi Zero, because of it's low power consumption. My question is actually about powering the display though
[17:03] <CrowderSoup> I'm planning on using a rechargeable battery to power the Pi, but the batteries I'm looking at output 5V, but the display I'm looking at needs 9V
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[17:04] <CrowderSoup> I know that I can step up from 5V to 9V, but I'm not sure what the best place to buy that part would be
[17:04] <CrowderSoup> Would something like this work? http://www.ebay.com/itm/DC-DC-Converter-5V-to-6V-9V-12V-Adjustable-Output-USB-Step-Up-Boost-Power-Module-/271306601322
[17:04] <CrowderSoup> My battery will provide power via usb
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[17:05] <ppq> ah, i was going to ask about that
[17:05] <mstevens> how reliable do people find sd cards? ie if I use my pi a lot, what are the odds of my sd card failing on me?
[17:05] <mstevens> (are there particularly reliable ones? I generally use sandisk)
[17:05] <ppq> mstevens, no.1 cause for data corruption is power issues, SDs are reliable enough
[17:05] <chithead> flash memory is only a probabilistic approximation of your data anyway
[17:06] <mstevens> ppq: I try to use good power
[17:07] <mstevens> I buy the adapters modmypi specifically sell as good for the pi
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[17:08] <ppq> mstevens, then you should be fine. if you want to take it one step further, there are "industrial" SDs with extended warranty and SLC nand, e.g. http://transcend-info.com/Products/No-636
[17:08] <mstevens> ppq: ooh, interesting, I couldn't find those
[17:09] <ppq> seems like that particular one is 2 GB max., so you should probably continue searching
[17:09] <mstevens> ppq: (when I looked previously)
[17:09] <mlelstv> the SLC cards are naturally smaller
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[17:10] <ppq> certainly. but i'm pretty sure there are some with >2 GB
[17:10] <mstevens> ppq: basically I normally use my pi for messing around occasionally, but I was thinking I'd switch to much higher usage and wondering about reliability
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[17:11] <mlelstv> 32GB cards exist
[17:11] <traeak> cheap too, i paid 8usd for mine at microcenter
[17:11] <mstevens> hmm these industrial cards are not cheap.
[17:11] <traeak> maybe it was 9usd, i felt totally ripped off
[17:11] <traeak> ahh industrial yeah
[17:12] <mlelstv> not as an "industrial" card.
[17:12] <mstevens> which is not surprising
[17:12] <mlelstv> however, most such cards just allow a wide temperature range.
[17:12] <traeak> this is where raid1 of microsd would be nice
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[17:13] <mlelstv> panasonic even has a 64GB card
[17:13] <ppq> CrowderSoup, i don't know enough about this kind of chips to contribute anything, but there are some online shops specialized in stuff for the rpi. you could look at the pi-friendly "buck-boost converters" they have (no idea if that is what they are really called)
[17:14] <t3chguy> why would it have to be "pi-friendly"
[17:15] <t3chguy> the pi uses standard USB for its voltage input, so anything that can take 5V in, and has low quiescent current draw it good
[17:15] <mlelstv> unit price US$197.04
[17:15] <ppq> mlelstv, many of the larger cards i found the other day were MLC. so 32 GB SLC SDs are a thing? nice
[17:15] <mlelstv> right, this one is also MLC
[17:16] <ppq> t3chguy, yea, i was aiming at efficiency with the word "pi-friendly"
[17:16] <mlelstv> SLC from Panasonic up to 16GB
[17:17] <mlelstv> wear-leveling, auto-refresh, power failure robustness
[17:18] <ppq> sounds good
[17:18] <ppq> $$$? :)
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[17:18] <mlelstv> cannot find any dealer outside Japan :)
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[17:18] <mlelstv> farnell has the 8GB version
[17:19] <Hitechcg> How do you know if a card is SLC or MLC?
[17:19] <mlelstv> EUR 226.71
[17:19] <ppq> the 2 GB one from transcend is about 20 EUR
[17:19] <mlelstv> hitechcg, the specs tell it, or it is written on it.
[17:19] <mlelstv> http://de.farnell.com/panasonic-electronic-components/rp-sdf08gde1/sd-karte-industrie-8gb-klasse/dp/2344220?ost=2344220&mckv=swqZp5tdh_dc%7Cpcrid%7C76564742583%7Ckword%7Crp+sdf08g%7Cmatch%7Cp%7Cplid%7C&selectedCategoryId=&CMP=KNC-GDE-FDE-GEN-SKU-MDC&gclid=CMfCq46crMoCFUJmGwodeiAM1Q
[17:19] <ppq> no, 30
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[17:20] <ppq> but still, compared to 226 that's cheap ;)
[17:20] <mlelstv> 8 * 30 = 240. So about the same price.
[17:21] <ppq> good incentive to keep / small
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[17:22] <Hitechcg> I'm just running my Pi on a 16GB class 10 Lexar SD card, with my fstab set to put /tmp in RAM and commit=45 for /
[17:23] <Tenkawa> I have a varied collection of microsd cards running my various pi2's and other boxes
[17:23] <Hitechcg> ugh, I have tons of SD cards but only one MicroSD card
[17:23] <Tenkawa> theres so many variables
[17:24] <Hitechcg> I understand why they moved to microSD, but it was annoying
[17:24] <Tenkawa> Hitechcg: heheh
[17:24] <Tenkawa> I hear ya
[17:24] <Hitechcg> I'm running my Pi as an IRC bouncer, and my Pi 2's doing nothing
[17:25] <Tenkawa> my pi zero is probably doing the most at once of them all
[17:25] <Tenkawa> heheheheh
[17:25] <Hitechcg> (re commit=45: I figure that if the power goes out, it's not important if I miss 45 seconds of logs)
[17:25] <Tenkawa> although my one mips box is about to start doing a lot more i think
[17:26] <Hitechcg> I built OpenWRT for an old router two days ago, too
[17:26] <Hitechcg> (btw my Pi 2's not even up)
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[17:27] <Tenkawa> nice.. havent used openwrt in a long time
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[17:29] <Hitechcg> Yeah, unfortunately said router (Netgear WNR2000v2) only has 4MB of flash
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[17:31] <chris_99> Hi, does anyone know of a 24bit 192kHz card that would work on most of the Pis out of interest? For instance https://www.adafruit.com/products/1761 apparently doesn't work on the latest Pis
[17:33] <traeak> can usb2 handle that rate ?
[17:33] <traeak> most high end interfaces are 96khz/24bit
[17:33] <traeak> or high end consumer
[17:33] <chris_99> it's not usb
[17:34] <traeak> what drives the insane rate?
[17:34] <chris_99> it's not that much data only ~4Mbps
[17:34] <Kryczek> is it much better than the HDMI audio?
[17:34] <ppq> i have a TL-WR841N (~10€) with openwrt. also only 4 MB flash (and 32 MB RAM) but it's enough for my purposes. also, with a bit of soldering it's possible to get USB 2.0 working
[17:35] <chris_99> i need for the ADC part
[17:35] <traeak> this isn't for plain music or studio recording?
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[17:35] <chris_99> nope
[17:36] <Bilby> sounds like high end data logging
[17:36] <traeak> gotcha
[17:36] <chris_99> i want to use for things like VLF etc
[17:36] <chris_99> reception
[17:36] <traeak> for studio work, audio looks like 250+ usd for 192/24 usb interface
[17:36] <traeak> cheaper for PCI or PCIe :-p
[17:37] <traeak> i guess i can't contribute too much at this point :-p
[17:37] <Hitechcg> for some reason LMMS is in Raspbian's repos, although it apparently won't run
[17:37] <Bilby> I almost built a ULF rig at one point before i got distracted and also realized I’d have to drive like 50 miles to use it
[17:38] <Hitechcg> Why would you need to drive 50 miles?
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[17:39] <Bilby> get away from humanity
[17:40] <Bilby> lots of electrical devices emit in ULF bands
[17:41] <meiamsome> chris_99: maybe http://www.ti.com/lit/ds/slas533b/slas533b.pdf ? Something similar perhaps, lower freq is easier
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[17:42] <Syliss> ugh, i wonder how long it will take for the pi 0 to actually stay in stock
[17:43] <Syliss> prolly should just pick up a pi 2
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[17:43] <chris_99> i was just looking for a cheap board tbh meiamsome, rather than a chip. I'm planning on making my own setup at somepoint with an ADC+FX3 usb chip, but was looking for something cheap in the meantime
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[17:45] <meiamsome> chris_99: fair enough, I don't know of anything more useful off hand then
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[17:49] <Inane> So I just got this http://goo.gl/FyOa1V relay module, it was advertised for Arduino but they said it worked with the RPI to. But I cant get it to work, any ideas
[17:49] <Inane> ?
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[17:56] <Bilby> Inane: normally you can trigger 5v devices with the 3.3v the Pi puts out, but you have to power the device with 5v
[17:57] <Bilby> so you have 5V going to the relay board, a GPIO pin going to one of the triggers, and ground between GPIO and the relay board?
[17:57] <Inane> So the 5V to the VCC por to the 5V?
[17:58] <Inane> The 5V to the NCC port
[17:58] <Inane> VCC
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[18:01] <Bilby> You probably can’t run the relay board’s 5V from the Pi
[18:01] <Bilby> you need to use a 5V power supply
[18:01] <gordonDrogon> Inane, you may well have been conned...
[18:02] <gordonDrogon> it will depend on the input LEDs in the optoisolators working from the Pi's 3.3v outputs.
[18:02] <gordonDrogon> I've seen some that do and some that don't,.
[18:02] <Bilby> I have a similar board gordonDrogon and had reasonable luck
[18:02] <Bilby> it all depends on the threshhold for the relay board reading a digital 1
[18:02] <Inane> Nope, can just go back and say its not working and get the money back :D
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[18:03] <gordonDrogon> do make sure you wire it up correctly though - Vcc goes to the Pi's 5v supply, Gnd to ... Gnd/0v then the INx pins to the GPIO pins.
[18:04] <gordonDrogon> running all 8 relays at once may overload the Pi's 5v supply though.
[18:04] <Bilby> I wouldn’t run any of them from the Pi’s supply, though you might get away with it for testing
[18:04] <Inane> Yeah, will only use one or two, was about the same price for two single ones
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[18:05] <meiamsome> I can't load that website you linked, Inane, sadly
[18:05] <gordonDrogon> should be quick enough to hook up to a Pi and test though.
[18:05] <gordonDrogon> 3 jumper wires will do it.
[18:06] <Inane> The relays http://imgur.com/IIBfbB5
[18:07] <Inane> Just need to get my a fresh SD card ready
[18:07] <Bilby> trigger voltage on that relay is .36W which is uh 72ma @ 5V
[18:07] <Bilby> that should be okay
[18:08] <gordonDrogon> for 2 or 3.. not all 8...
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[18:09] <Inane> So lets see if I got it all right now. VCC to the 5v, GND to ground, and then the others to a pin that is HIGH?
[18:09] <gordonDrogon> actually - if you don't have any usb thingys plugged in and a good 5v PSU you ought to be able to do all 8...
[18:09] <gordonDrogon> Inane, connect it to a gpio pin - although you could touch it to the 3.3v pin to test the operation.
[18:09] <kneekoo> hello, does anyone know why is the official case discontinued? http://ex-en.alliedelec.com/raspberry-pi-official-case-red-wht/70605120/
[18:10] <Inane> Aha
[18:11] <gordonDrogon> o-ho?
[18:11] <gordonDrogon> did it click?
[18:11] <gordonDrogon> or reboot the Pi :)
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[18:12] <Inane> The LED lights up but its almost like you cant see it :D
[18:13] * gordonDrogon nods.
[18:13] <gordonDrogon> sort of to be expected - it's really needing a 5v signal.
[18:13] <gordonDrogon> however if the relay clicked then you might get away with it.
[18:14] <meiamsome> You might be able to cheat it with some resistors, but probably not a great idea
[18:14] <Inane> It, did not click, so just connect a 5v between the VCC and ground
[18:14] <meiamsome> If you have any transistors, that's definitely the way to do it
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[18:15] <gordonDrogon> well - the correct way to doit is to buy one designed for the Pi in the first place and not listen to the lies told by these charlatans.
[18:16] <meiamsome> well, true
[18:16] <gordonDrogon> my reckoing is that if you can just use a transistor then you might as well make your own relay board.
[18:16] <gordonDrogon> The PiFace now has 4 relays on it I think - designed for the Pi - just plugs and goes...
[18:17] <Bilby> if you plug VCC and ground into +5V power supply and ground and also ground between the relay board and the Pi does it trigger better?
[18:17] <Inane> Yeah, but they only had modules for the Arduino :(
[18:18] <Inane> Im looking for a power supply right now, not sure if i have one tho
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[18:18] <Inane> Or I might just get a Arduino too
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[18:21] <Bilby> what are you trying to control with it?
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[18:22] <Inane> I will control some lights and a wall socket
[18:22] <Inane> Only for a school project so I will not be in a wall, will connect it in a lab
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[18:24] <Inane> So I went to a friend almost next door and borrowed his Arduino uno, and its still not working. So it might be a broken PCB or something
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[18:26] <Inane> I could take bridge a computer PSU and take the black wire of the molex since it's 5V
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[18:31] <Inane> Cant find a power cord so Ill just take it back tomorrow and ask for a refun
[18:31] <Inane> refund
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[18:32] <Inane> Where can I find relays that are made for a RPi?
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[18:33] <Jezz> Inane check out modmypi.com
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[18:34] <Hitechcg> Why not physically move the switch with a motor/solenoid?
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[18:37] <Inane> Why haven't I found this site before?
[18:37] <Inane> Its awesome!
[18:38] <Jezz> hehe, handy one to add to your fav's
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[18:39] <Inane> Hitechcg that takes care of the lamps, but not the wall socket :(
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[18:40] <Hitechcg> oh
[18:40] <Inane> But no magpi 40 ony 39
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[18:40] <Jezz> 40 and 41 is on the magpi site.
[18:41] <Jezz> available as a PDF.
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[18:42] <Inane> But I want the Zero :D
[18:43] <Jezz> i think that issue would be hard to get hold of now.
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[18:43] <Jezz> modmypi sell them as kit with some leads to connect up.
[18:44] <Inane> Yeah, and the worst thing is there isnt any physical store in sweden that stocks it yet
[18:44] <Inane> Just found it,
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[19:19] <Syliss> yeah ive been calling all the barnes and nobles i can around me to find a 40 and all they have is 39
[19:19] <Syliss> or 38
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[19:25] <fennesz> Hello everyone ! I have set up pin 2 as input with : "gpio mode 2 in" and enabled its internal pullup resistor with : "gpio mode 2 up" . However the pin randomly changes its state to HIGH . If I re-setup the pin (gpio mode 2 in/gpio mode 2 up) the Input pin behaves correct again... Anyone knows what this might be the reason?
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[19:36] <Berg> looking at the pin layout gpio 2 is the I2C pin
[19:36] <Berg> do you need to use pin 2?
[19:36] <speakquietly> I don't think pin two has pull up
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[19:36] <TrekBike> And are you sure its pin 2. Pin 2 != GPIO 2 != BCM 2 != WiringPi 2
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[19:37] <speakquietly> And might you actually want pull-/down/?
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[19:41] <TrekBike> Resistors are like pants, sometimes its better to pull them down, others its better to pull them up.
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[19:50] <waveform> speakquietly, GPIO2 has a physical pull-up resistor - you can't make it pull down or float (GPIO3 is also like this) - RPi.GPIO warns about this, and gpiozero does too but only if you attempt to set it to something other than pull-up
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[19:54] <speakquietly> Huh. The other gpio are software pullup/down correct?
[19:54] <waveform> yup - floating by default and you can set them to up/down/float
[19:55] <waveform> you can *try* setting 2&3 to something other than up and the hardware won't complain, but it also won't do much :)
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[19:56] <speakquietly> Ah, thanks for the correction!
[19:56] <waveform> (hence why RPi.GPIO and gpiozero throw warnings in case an unaware user attempts to do something the hardware won't do ... actually I might've made gpiozero throw an error in that case ... can't recall)
[19:56] * speakquietly looks up gpiozero
[19:57] <waveform> it's Ben Nuttall's attempt to make a seriously simplified GPIO interface (which I've been doing quite a bit of hacking on :)
[19:57] <speakquietly> It does look seriously simple
[19:58] <waveform> here's his write up of the library: http://bennuttall.com/gpio-zero-developing-a-new-friendly-python-api-for-physical-computing/
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[20:01] <speakquietly> Re: the image on the landing page. When to use software resistors vs. when to use physical?
[20:02] <waveform> well, the software resistors are physical resistors - just included in the circuit via software. You'd use a physical (outside the Pi) resistor when one of the pull-resistors can't do what you want
[20:02] <waveform> so in the LED example, a small resistor (probably 330ohm or so) is being used simply to ensure the LED doesn't pop
[20:02] <speakquietly> i.e: not enough resistance?
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[20:03] <franzp> Hi guys! I want to setup audio streaming via RPI by using the DurioSound Addon Board. Latter claims to be open source /hardware but the site seems to be down and i can´t find CAD files for the board. Maybe some of you folks who did already use the board, do know where to get the files?
[20:03] <waveform> or too much, or the wrong place in the circuit, etc.
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[20:05] <Hobbyboy> franzp: Aren't the files also on here? http://www.tjaekel.com/T-DAC/raspi_rca_plus.html
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[20:10] <franzp> hmm, well I actually thought that CAD files are available somewhere and not only screenshots on PDF format.. i I have to redraw, route everything, I could start from scratch for myself also... ;)
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[20:12] <franzp> I could just buy a board also, but I wanted to overtake the circuit and most of the routing, but changing the formfactor/pinheaders to use the board together with BeagleBone instead of the RPI
[20:13] <logikos> Trying to install apache (all LAMP) on Raspberry Pi - getting lots of 403 Forbidden errors. Here's a pastebin link with the readout (before I Ctrl+C to cancel). Any ideas?
[20:13] <logikos> http://pastebin.com/QsiXmJyP
[20:15] <Berg> logikos: why do you need apache?
[20:15] <logikos> Just looking to run a server. I'm familiar with the LAMP stack. Figured it would be a "path of least resistance" - better options?
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[20:16] <TrekBike> Just do an apt-get install to add the LAMP stack
[20:17] <logikos> Check out the pastebin. That's what I started with. I tried just doing the apt-get install apache2 by itself too and it gave me the same 403
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[20:18] <logikos> Unless there's a better command to run to install the LAMP stack (several Google searches told me to do it the way I did in pastebin
[20:18] <Berg> well I use bottle.py a python web server to host my web stuff i also use mongo for data etc but it would not be familar to you logikos
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[20:19] <logikos> Yeah. I've VERY lightly played with python simple server just to do tests, but nothing serious. Mongo sounds familiar. Recommended for Node servers, I think?
[20:20] <logikos> In any case, just curious why I get the 403 errors (if anyone has any ideas). The Pi is running Raspbian (default)
[20:21] <Berg> try sudo apt-get update and try again
[20:21] <logikos> .. I think Einstein said something about the definition of insanity being along those lines, Berg :)
[20:22] <logikos> i.e. tried about 4 different times to do apt-get install, apt-get update, etc...
[20:22] <Berg> totaly lost me logikos
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[20:23] <speakquietly> 403 might be due to old repo addresses
[20:23] <logikos> Just realized I didn't mention already doing apt-get update. My bad
[20:23] <speakquietly> apt-get update?
[20:23] <speakquietly> :)
[20:23] <logikos> yes, I got a few 403s in the update too
[20:23] <speakquietly> can you 'host (whatever it says the url is)
[20:24] <Berg> i would use what it says in updates to sort out broken lib addresses
[20:24] <logikos> http://pastebin.com/f7ZmeR8e
[20:24] <Hobbyboy> franzp: I thought this was the cad file: http://www.tjaekel.com/T-DAC/files/RPi-DAC-RCA_Bplus_3.zip
[20:24] <logikos> That was the upgrade
[20:25] <logikos> A plague of 403. Makes me think I have something configured wrong? I didn't do anything special with the Pi config out of the box
[20:25] <logikos> (that I can think of)
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[20:27] <gordonDrogon> fwiw in the wiringPi world, pin 2 is GPIO 2 (from the original GPIO pinnout diagram) this is BCM_GPIO 27 on newer boards or BCM_GPIO 22 on older boards.
[20:27] <waveform> logikos, it may simply be a problem on the mirror you're hitting (it's happened before)
[20:28] <logikos> hmm
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[20:29] <waveform> I can't see anything hinky in the pastebin log - looks like a straight-forward wheezy setup that's hitting mirrordirector (which is working for me but I don't know what mirrordirector is sending me to)
[20:30] <waveform> basically, if it's worked before now and you haven't been fiddling with /etc/apt/sources.list I'd assume there's a mirror problem and just wait for it to be fixed
[20:31] <logikos> Forgive my noobishness, but if it's a mirror problem, will it happen with anything I tried to download via apt-get, or would it be specific to apache installation?
[20:31] <waveform> it'd happen with anything you tried to get via apt-get
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[20:32] <logikos> cool - easy test then. I'll try to download something
[20:32] <waveform> (I note that every time your apt-get update tried to hit mirrordirector it broke even though that'll just be downloading straight-forward index files)
[20:32] <logikos> good point
[20:33] <logikos> actually, never mind. That makes more sense. I tried downloading Node before Apache and had similar/same problem(s). Friday memory fart
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[20:34] <logikos> welp, guess I'll just sit on it for the weekend and try again Monday. Thanks for the guidance, folks
[20:34] <waveform> yeah ... definitely sounding like a bust mirror. I'm not sure there's much you can do about that at the moment (I can't remember off the top of my head what the upstream repos are)
[20:34] <waveform> but give it a whirl tomorrow - these sorts of things don't tend to last more than 24hrs
[20:34] <logikos> Good to know. Thanks again
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[20:36] <[Saint]> bah.
[20:36] <[Saint]> dammit.
[20:36] <[Saint]> I was going to suggest he get friendly with his sources.list
[20:36] <[Saint]> http://www.raspbian.org/RaspbianMirrors
[20:36] <[Saint]> just remove mirrordirector links and link to the sources direct for a while.
[20:37] <[Saint]> but....he's gone, so, yeah.
[20:37] <waveform> Ahh, that's the page I couldn't remember! Do you happen to know if that's up to date at the mo?
[20:37] <[Saint]> should be.
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[20:37] <waveform> good stuff - I'll bookmark that this time :)
[20:38] <[Saint]> np.
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[20:52] <NicoHood> can i install a dev kernel and later switch back to the original without any things messed up?
[20:52] <NicoHood> sudo BRANCH=next rpi-update
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[21:02] <Chillum> do the pi GPIOs support tri state logic? high, low and high impedance
[21:04] <[Saint]> NicoHood: just running rpi-update will always bringup to the most current FW/kernel.
[21:04] <[Saint]> there is no 'next' branch anymore.
[21:04] <NicoHood> hu? and what about 4.4 kernel?
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[21:05] <NicoHood> [Saint] I wanted to use this again: https://github.com/raspberrypi/linux/pull/1239#issuecomment-170220201
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[21:07] <[Saint]> currently master is tracking 4.1.y
[21:07] <NicoHood> and why and when did they remove the next version?
[21:07] <NicoHood> it worked like a week ago
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[21:09] <[Saint]> it just looked like it worked.
[21:09] <[Saint]> the branch has been removed for a wee while.
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[21:13] <[Saint]> hmmm, nope, I'm confusing myself.
[21:15] <NicoHood> i wil check uname. gimme a sec
[21:16] <[Saint]> it's definitely a thing that exists, but in my case here, it's always pulling from master no matter what I specify.
[21:17] <NicoHood> it works
[21:17] <NicoHood> i got a 4.4 kernel
[21:18] <NicoHood> so there is a bug in the pi, or in the update process
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[21:18] <[Saint]> odd. observational bias on my part.
[21:19] <NicoHood> https://github.com/Hexxeh/rpi-firmware/tree/next
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[21:20] <NicoHood> okay they added a commit which broke my solution
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[21:22] <[Saint]> yeah, I saw that it's a thing that exists still, around the time I started noticing that me passing BRANCH= wasn't being used I tried to examine the next branch on the firmware repo and github errored out on me. a cast of causation/observational bias methinks.
[21:23] <[Saint]> I wonder what is going on here with my poor remaining rpi.
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[21:25] <NicoHood> my pi reboots in 12 sec
[21:25] <NicoHood> notbad hm?
[21:25] <selckin> sounds slow
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[21:39] <dreamon> Tried mosquitto → https://rasspberrypi.wordpress.com/2012/09/16/mosquitto-mqtt-on-raspberry-pi-broker-publish-and-subscribe-client/
[21:40] <dreamon> but got "make" Errors ./mosquitto_internal.h:40:20: fatal error: ares.h: Datei oder Verzeichnis nicht gefunden
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[21:40] <dreamon> file or dir not found. is there a easys installation possible?
[21:41] <NicoHood> selckin, why slow?
[21:42] <Tenkawa> dreamon: try using apt-file to find it
[21:42] <Tenkawa> brb
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[21:57] <[Saint]> That was interesting.
[21:57] <[Saint]> I took out the sdcard and HDD (ruining ~200 days uptime in the process), and ran rpi-update on them from another machine (instead of locally via ssh), and it went fine.
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[22:02] <litb> hello all
[22:03] <litb> my rasp2 finally arrived.. now i need a way to turn my pi on using a IR remote
[22:03] <litb> i need to detect the IR pulses for power-on of my remote-controller
[22:03] * TheAbraxas_ is now known as TheAbraxas
[22:04] <litb> can I do that with hardware-only, so that i can switch the pi on afterwards? (with pin5/GPIO3)
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[22:06] <Bilby> You’d need something to pull it low… possibly an arduino?
[22:07] <Bilby> are you trying to turn it off / on with your TV?
[22:07] <Tenkawa> Bilby: wow it was quite a bit warmer today although blah looking
[22:07] <Bilby> yeah
[22:07] <Bilby> haven’t really looked outside much
[22:07] <Tenkawa> heheheh
[22:07] <Bilby> my sinuses hate me :(
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[22:07] <litb> Bilby: I have one here (arduino), so I was looking for how much power it consumes when just running the timer and polls to see the IR state
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[22:07] <Tenkawa> ouch yeah i heard alot of rumbling about that from others too
[22:08] <litb> Bilby: ah that would be best
[22:08] * Viper168 feeds Bilby some takis
[22:08] <Bilby> :3
[22:08] <litb> turning it on with the TV, yeah. i would then share the IR sequence
[22:08] <Viper168> that ought to flush them out
[22:08] <Bilby> litb: does your TV have a USB port?
[22:08] <litb> Bilby: yes
[22:08] <Bilby> you could detect voltage from the USB port to turn the pi on and off
[22:09] <Viper168> tbh eating hot peppers and such is a good way to clear out your sinuses and make them feel better
[22:09] <Bilby> yep
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[22:09] <Bilby> i usually order spicy chinese food when i have a cold
[22:09] * [Saint] just cleaned up the several hundred MB of boot cruft, kernels, dkms.old, vmlinuz, and initrd images that ~2 years solid of use brings
[22:09] <litb> Bilby: ah is that possible when the PI is off? i mean, i would need to run code to check the USB-power
[22:09] <Viper168> mysinuses are wonky atm so am eating zombie takis now
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[22:10] <[Saint]> if it's off you can power it back up by bridging P6 (may be called differently in Pi 2)
[22:10] <Viper168> takis will strip the enamel from your teeth though
[22:11] <Viper168> way too acidic
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[22:12] <Bilby> litb: there are a few ways to do it
[22:12] <Bilby> this is probably the easiest way, board is built and code provided: http://www.piups.net/
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[22:14] <litb> Bilby: but somehow i would like to code it with arduino aswell. i think its power consumtion isn't too high for that task
[22:14] <EvilDMP_> is there a more elegant way of creating Python 3 virtualenvs than doing virtualenv -p /usr/bin/python3 each time?
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[22:15] <[Saint]> litb: the header is called 'RUN' on the Pi 2 boards it seems.
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[22:15] <litb> [Saint]: there's are two pins on the p6 header, AFAIK
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[22:15] <litb> which will reset and reboot
[22:16] <litb> but you can also use the GPIO3 pin which is easier because you don't need to solder
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[22:16] <litb> (only on the rev2)
[22:16] <[Saint]> of course there's 2 pins, it's a bridgepoint. :)
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[22:16] <[Saint]> if it's off, and powered, this will bring it back up again.
[22:17] <Bilby> Does it pull the pin low or high?
[22:17] <litb> Bilby: it needs to short-curcuit that pin with ground afaik
[22:17] <litb> i think that means pulling the pin low
[22:18] <Bilby> yep
[22:18] <Bilby> it would be fairly simple to use a simple ATMEGA chip (arduino) to handle power sense, then
[22:19] <Bilby> arduino looks for 5v on a pin coming from the TV USB
[22:19] <litb> Bilby: nice. i have the uni rev3. i think i can run it on 1mhz, so it should even be able to run on battery
[22:19] <Bilby> when it sees it, it grounds (sinks) the RUN pin momentarily to boot the pi
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[22:20] <Bilby> when the TV is turned off, the arduino sends a signal to a GPIO pin on the raspberry pi. code on the pi reads the signal and triggers a shut down
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[22:20] <Macgyver1> you don't need a micro
[22:20] <litb> Bilby: nice. having the pi run without an initial power-on for the TV isn't sensical
[22:20] <litb> but I would like to be able to shut the TV off and still have the PI continue run
[22:21] <Bilby> you could add a little more code in on the pi and arduino that sends a “booted” command to the arduino when the pi is up - that way if you turn the TV on and off in quick succession the arduino will let the pi boot fully and then shut it down
[22:21] <Bilby> ah, you want it to sometimes turn off with the TV, and sometimes not?
[22:21] <litb> Bilby: i think by default i make TV-off means pi-off, but when I press a key before turning the TV off, then PI continues to run
[22:21] <litb> should be easily doable with software
[22:22] <Bilby> you could attach an IR receiver to the pi to pick that up - once the pi is booted it will be able to read additional commands from it
[22:22] <litb> Bilby: yeah when I just want to listen to some music i initially put the TV on to see what I'm playing xD but then I shut off the TV and just listen
[22:22] <Bilby> hmm… also need code in the arduino so it doesn’t send the ‘power on’ signal to the pi if the pi is booted… since doing that will reset it :P
[22:22] <Bilby> aha, makes sense
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[22:23] <litb> Bilby: i think i could perhaps change the pin direction of pin5 after linux has booted?
[22:24] <Bilby> I don’t think you can soft-boot with Pin 5 on the Pi 2
[22:24] <litb> afaik that pin is only checked during very earily bootup (after a halt). and when the pin is pulled down, then the bootup continues. so when pressing it afterwards, it would seem to do nothing
[22:24] <Bilby> that only applies to the A and B
[22:24] <litb> but I'm not really sure
[22:25] <litb> afterwards when the boot has continued initializing hardware, pin5 would just be a normal I2C pin
[22:26] <litb> Bilby: hmm this guy says so: https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=29&t=24682
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[22:27] <Bilby> That thread is 3 years old :)
[22:27] <Hitechcg> wtf, my RPi rebooted itself or something 22 minutes ago
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[22:28] <litb> Bilby: oh, hmm. but they seem to be talking about pi2
[22:28] <Bilby> here: http://www.noveldevices.co.uk/rp-project-reset
[22:28] <litb> i thought pi2 was only released 2014. i'm confused now
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[22:29] <[Saint]> they'll be talking about pi B rev 2
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[22:30] <litb> ah so pi1 has different revs
[22:30] * [Saint] nods
[22:30] <[Saint]> A, B, B2 (B rev 2), and B+
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[22:30] <litb> huh what's confusing
[22:30] <[Saint]> it is.
[22:30] <Bilby> I’m not actually seeing much explicitly about the Pi 2 regarding a soft reset button, but what i’m finding indicates it’s the same arrangement as on the B rev 2 and the B+
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[22:31] <litb> i'm disappointed that i can't softboot pi2
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[22:31] <[Saint]> Bilby: yeah - just s/P6/RUN/
[22:32] <Bilby> yes, looking at a high-res image of the Pi 2 there’s a RUN header next to the display socket
[22:32] * [Saint] nods
[22:32] <Bilby> you could always use a cheap camera flash :P http://hackaday.com/2015/02/08/photonic-reset-of-the-raspberry-pi-2/
[22:32] <[Saint]> hahahaha
[22:32] <speakquietly> :(
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[22:32] <litb> lol
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[22:34] <litb> Bilby: could i check both the voltage of the TV-usb and the voltage of the raspberry-pi? if the Pi's voltage is 5v, then I won't bridge RUN when i get voltage from TV
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[22:35] <litb> i could just abuse a GPIO pin. assuming that GPIO will yield no voltage for a shutdown pi
[22:35] <Bilby> that’s an interesting question actually - is the 5v pin on the GPIO live when the pi is halted?
[22:36] <Bilby> litb: that was my suggestion, just include a command on boot to set a random GPIO pin high. Arduino looks for that as a “pi is booted” signal :)
[22:36] <litb> it's always the noobs that will make the hard quizzes :p
[22:37] <litb> Bilby: ah nice. now i understand. I suspect i could power the arduino over the TV-usb aswell
[22:37] <litb> it should boot quickly enough
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[22:38] <Bilby> you definitely could
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[22:41] <Bilby> Sounds like time to write out some logic and order parts :)
[22:41] <litb> Bilby: but isn't this a weird solution? using a whole microcontroller just for that RUN header bridging.
[22:42] <litb> at least it's managable for me :)perhaps afterwards i'm more experienced to shrink it down
[22:42] <Bilby> There are other ways to do it all the way down to using individual logic chips
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[22:42] <Bilby> but it’s much more simple to use a programmable chip and some easy code… it’s part of why arduino got so popular anyway
[22:43] <litb> I like the idea to have the arduino there.. could play around with IR codes then and stuff
[22:43] <Bilby> you don’t really need a whole board, just an ATMEGA chip and a couple other parts
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[22:43] <Bilby> besides, you do have some more complex logic since you don’t want it to reset the board if it’s already booted, etc
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[22:51] <litb> Bilby: are there header pins without soldering?
[22:51] <litb> that i can stick into the run header?
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[22:53] <Bilby> you’d have to solder on some header pins yourself
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[22:53] <litb> ouch, hope I won't destroy it
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[23:10] <sir_galahad_ad> litb: it's not too hard
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[23:12] <mgottschlag> heh, I managed to destroy a PCB once when I tried to solder a pin header for a UART port :D
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[23:13] <sir_galahad_ad> just take your time, when you're soldering don't melt the solder with the soldering iron use the iron to heat the pin and pad and melt the solder with the hot pin
[23:13] <mgottschlag> (and I've done everything from large components which are impossible to solder due to thermal conduction down to tiny SMD parts, so I'd consider myself rather good at soldering)
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[23:14] <mgottschlag> in that case, the soldering iron was crap though (not necessary too bad, but I didn't expect the low power, so I didn't react properly), so I managed to rip a trace off
[23:14] <sir_galahad_ad> doh
[23:15] <sir_galahad_ad> i recently had to solder a row of pins on to an LCD
[23:15] <sir_galahad_ad> 16 pins and didn't destroy any of them
[23:16] <mgottschlag> http://i08fs1.atis-stud.uni-karlsruhe.de/~s_gottsc/IMG_20150930_112931666_HDR.jpg <- recent soldering work, the chips are partially high-power packages which have exposed pads under the chip :)
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[23:21] <sir_galahad_ad> nicely done
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[23:27] <Berg> come solder for me
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[23:30] <Hitechcg> yesterday I tried (and gave up) to solder something with our soldering iron
[23:31] <Hitechcg> That soldering iron is crap; I could've done better with a rusty nail and a lighter
[23:31] <Jezz> or a mig welder!
[23:31] <sir_galahad_ad> ehhhhh
[23:31] * sir_galahad_ad does not recommend soldering with a welter
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[23:32] <Jezz> hehe
[23:32] * sir_galahad_ad but if you are going to go stick and be a man!
[23:32] <sir_galahad_ad> :P
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