#raspberrypi IRC Log

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IRC Log for 2016-01-17

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[0:01] <gordonDrogon> I last used fBSD some 18 years ago though....
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[0:04] <creazur> Has anyone been tinkering with USB sound card on their RasPi? I can't get my audio input line to appear nor work
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[0:22] <maldridge> I'm probably missing something obvious, but where can I obtain the source for the camera applications
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[0:34] <Kymru> can anyone point me to a good tutorial to setup a RPi as a socks5 proxy over VPN
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[0:47] <zZap-X> any ideas what use i could have with a pi?
[0:47] <ozzzy_> zZap-X when you find out let me know
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[0:48] <zZap-X> a bedside radio alarm clock sounds like a idea
[0:48] <ozzzy_> don't forget to buy an RTC with it then
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[0:49] <mlelstv> and a display and an alarm beeper
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[0:50] <zZap-X> i like these type of displays http://coldattic.info/pic/98624404748383573153.jpg
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[0:51] <ali1234> zZap-X: led matrix... i'm building that right now
[0:51] <zZap-X> nice
[0:51] <ali1234> mine is 15x7 though
[0:52] <zZap-X> could do a twitter feed display using one of those
[0:52] <ali1234> and i have a DAB radio module
[0:52] <zZap-X> oh nice
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[0:52] <ali1234> also i probably won't use a pi
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[0:53] <zZap-X> are there any places to buy alternative cases for a pi?
[0:54] <ali1234> yeah loads
[0:54] <ali1234> they are all over ebay and amazon
[0:54] <zZap-X> ok nice
[0:56] <zZap-X> mmm a nice wooden case with a red led matrix
[0:56] <zZap-X> and space for a couple of small speakers
[0:57] <ali1234> my computer is completely refusing to play any sound :(
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[0:58] <zZap-X> https://blog.adafruit.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/9410992552_05659e2b6a_z.jpg
[0:58] <zZap-X> nice
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[1:38] <vikaton> when dealing with raspberrypi GPIO pins, I need to use 32 bit integers right?
[1:41] <Xark> vikaton: Define "deal"? What API?
[1:41] <vikaton> Xark, im using direct register access
[1:43] <Xark> vikaton: I see. Possible 32-bit access is required...haven't seen that clearly documented.
[1:46] <vikaton> hmm
[1:48] <Xark> vikaton: Seems little reason to avoid 32-bit access (on 32-bit system). :)
[1:48] * Xark sees http://www.pieter-jan.com/node/15 (https://github.com/Pieter-Jan/PJ_RPI/blob/master/PJ_RPI.h) using 32-bit access.
[1:51] <vikaton> I see
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[2:07] <Berg> gordonDrogon: i replaced the wires and now you while loop shows correctly
[2:08] <Berg> magic happens
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[2:16] <gsora> what's the smallest 16x2 lcd display I can attach to a raspi?
[2:16] <gsora> I want something about the size of a zero
[2:17] <pksato> 16x2 is small, I not sure, but have similar size of zero.
[2:18] <ali1234> 128x64 oleds are very small
[2:18] <gsora> with driver chips too?
[2:18] <ali1234> they don't need any
[2:19] <pksato> driver chips? in case of 16x2, a pic/arduino uC?
[2:20] <pksato> to control via i2c.
[2:20] <ali1234> http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/MTYwMFgxNjAw/z/UykAAOSw5dNWjen0/$_57.JPG
[2:20] <gsora> ali1234 can you please link me one?
[2:20] <ali1234> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/0-96-128X64-Blue-White-Dupont-LED-LCD-OLED-Display-I2C-IIC-Arduino-RPi-STM32-UK-/201498464817?var=&hash=item2eea3e9231:m:my8P6KraG7jyIpHAkbW_QMw
[2:21] <pksato> http://www.ebay.com/itm/1602-16x2-HD44780-Character-LCD-w-IIC-I2C-Serial-Interface-Adapter-Module-/281317663849?hash=item417fd6e469:g:PmQAAMXQ74JTV4T6
[2:22] <gsora> thank you guys!
[2:22] <gsora> I'm pretty new to these kind of things, I'm a software guy
[2:23] <gsora> pkpnsat this one doesn't need anything other than a i2c connection to drive it?
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[2:25] <pksato> 16x2 HD44780 need 5 control pins.
[2:25] <pksato> To use i2c need a controller (avr or pic uC).
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[2:27] <gsora> mh, I see.
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[2:28] <pksato> 16x2 is text only display.
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[2:31] <gsora> that's what I need, only display text
[2:32] <gsora> it will serve as a menu for my software
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[2:35] * Xark notes usually 8 re-definable text characters too.
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[2:37] <Chillum> I have been running a pi zero w/ wifi for 32 hours now off of a battery that can only power pi 2 w/ wifi for 6 hours
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[2:40] <Berg> cool bananas batman
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[2:41] <Chillum> I am thinking, subversive wifi throwies
[2:42] <Chillum> hide them at the political rally of your choice with the wifi name "The truth about <politician>" - Then use captive portal to send anyone who connects to the propaganda of your choice
[2:42] <Chillum> no need to recover
[2:42] <Berg> evil man
[2:42] <Chillum> or just use it on your friends!
[2:42] <Berg> join the kgb
[2:42] <Berg> being a fly on the wall is alwqays fun
[2:43] <Berg> what battery system you got?
[2:43] <Chillum> I have a no-name 10500mAh bank from ebay that is probably not really 10500
[2:44] <Berg> what voltage?
[2:45] <Berg> is that 10ah or 1ah?
[2:45] <Chillum> it is a usb 5v power bank, but they generally is the amps of the internal battery for mrketing reasons
[2:45] <Chillum> 10
[2:45] <Chillum> likely the 10500mAh at the 3.7V in its internal battery, so at 5v progably closer it 7,770mAh
[2:45] <Berg> righto
[2:45] <Chillum> that jives with my meter
[2:46] <Chillum> I read ~ 220ma and 32 hours at 7770mah is 242
[2:46] <Berg> so a wifi and a zero will run 32hours
[2:46] <Chillum> still running
[2:46] <Berg> you got a mic on it?
[2:46] <Chillum> 32 hours, 29 minutes and counting
[2:46] <Chillum> no mic, just wifi
[2:47] <Berg> so what is it using to sense evil?
[2:47] <Chillum> you could add a usb mic, but if you wanted wifi too you need to add a hub
[2:47] <Berg> you can add a mic on the pins yes?
[2:47] <Chillum> not sure
[2:47] <Chillum> there is no adc on board
[2:47] <Chillum> so you would have to add hardware
[2:47] <Berg> so its useless atm?
[2:47] <Chillum> err wait, perhaps tehre is
[2:48] <Chillum> as a microphone
[2:48] <Chillum> Berg: you could add gps via the gpio, then a 3g modem on the usb
[2:48] <Berg> cant you send the mic input straight over wifi?
[2:49] <Chillum> according to this http://raspberrypi.stackexchange.com/questions/4341/can-i-get-audio-input-through-the-gpio you are stuck with usb microphobes
[2:49] <Chillum> microphones
[2:49] <Chillum> which means if you also want wifi you will need a usb hub
[2:49] <Berg> im in the process of sensing my pi controlled battery chargers i have it sensing full charge now have to write code to shut charger down
[2:50] <Berg> thats no good Chillum
[2:50] <Chillum> you probably want a full sized pi if that is what you want
[2:51] <Chillum> I am working on a battery pack for the pi zero. It will have a 800mAh 3.7V lipo, like the little helicopters use, a boost converter, and one of these: www.ebay.ca/itm/272041893744
[2:51] <Chillum> that chip lets me monitor the current at any given time, a running total of the current, the voltage and the temperature of the battery
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[2:52] <Chillum> it also gives the battery a unique serial number
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[2:55] <Hitechcg> I'd try modding the Pi to run off 3.7v
[2:55] <Hitechcg> IIRC it's been done for the regular Pi 1
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[2:59] <Chillum> I guess if you don't use wifi
[2:59] <Chillum> or usb
[3:00] <Chillum> looks like 800mAh will get me 2 hours, and those 800mAh lipos fit in the zero's form factor
[3:00] <Chillum> may be able to fit a charging circuit too
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[3:50] <sockofleas> hey, does anyone know if its possible to use an ipod/iphone as a screen on a B+?
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[4:04] <sockofleas> hey, does anyone know if its possible to use an ipod/iphone as a screen on a B+?
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[4:10] <pyroxide> sockofleas; you can use vnc
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[4:10] <pyroxide> i'm sure there are vnc clients for iOS
[4:10] <sockofleas> but how do i connect them
[4:10] <sockofleas> the ipod is old btw, it uses the 20 pin
[4:10] <pyroxide> vnc uses your home network
[4:11] <sockofleas> suppose im not on that network
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[4:12] <pyroxide> beyond me, mate
[4:14] <sockofleas> thanks
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[4:27] <[Saint]> sockfleas: port forwarding
[4:27] <[Saint]> Just like accessing any other service from outside your network.
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[4:49] <sockofleas> [Saint]: but how would i connect it
[4:49] <sockofleas> [Saint]: i want to do it over a wired connection
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[5:14] <merrick`> trying to watch the damn football game and the audio is out on nbc...grar
[5:14] <merrick`> someone do pi things
[5:18] <exonormal> I do pi and arduino things
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[5:20] <Berg> took my6 fluro lights out and replaced them with these http://www.jaycar.com.au/Ecotech/Eco-Consumer-Products/Lighting---LED-Products/240VAC-Aluminium-24-LED-Light-Strip-with-Switch/p/ST3944
[5:20] <Berg> now my battery bank can run them
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[5:23] <nuunuu> hello
[5:23] <Berg> hello
[5:24] <nuunuu> does anyone here have any experience mounting a large hard drive on their pi?
[5:24] <nuunuu> i've been trying to mount a 4tb hard drive, but im having a ton of problems
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[5:25] <JK-47> nuunuu: really depends on the chipset in the usb enclosure.
[5:25] <JK-47> and that you are giving it external power
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[5:25] <nuunuu> it's usb powered, but lsusb says that it only needs 100mA while the B+ i have gives off 600mA defaultly
[5:26] <JK-47> an external HD needs up to 25w. even if it says 5w it needsmore.
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[5:28] <JK-47> you can only push 3w even at 0.6A @ 5v.
[5:28] <JK-47> so, you barely have the power to idle a 4tb drive.
[5:29] <nuunuu> possibly, but i've heard of plenty of people using this drive
[5:29] <JK-47> a wd black idle is 8w.
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[5:31] <nuunuu> i may have to look for a powered usb to dasiy chain if that's the case
[5:32] <JK-47> Do you hear it spin up and stay running?
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[5:33] <nuunuu> it's pretty quiet, but let me check
[5:35] <nuunuu> yeah it sounds like it's not getting enough powere
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[5:35] <nuunuu> I was hoping that wasn't the case, but it looks like i'll have to get a powered usb hub
[5:35] <Chillum> you will need a powered hub for a large hard drive
[5:36] <Chillum> I ahve even had power problems doing heavy writes to large usb sticks
[5:37] <JK-47> people dont often think more granular abotu power
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[5:37] <Chillum> I think about tiny little traces and what amps do to them
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[6:06] <Berg> i make amps from wind
[6:06] <Berg> im a eletron pusher
[6:07] <Berg> <----know everyone is addictoed to power
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[6:30] <Chillum> woo-hoo up to 36 hours running a pi zero off of a battery
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[6:34] <Viper168> Chillum, what kind of battery
[6:36] <Hitechcg> my 13000 mAh USB battery pack <3
[6:37] <Chillum> I have a "10500mAh" pack, but I think they are exaggerationg
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[6:37] <Hitechcg> Chillum, is the Pi doing anything CPU-intensive?
[6:37] <Chillum> no it is idle, but there is a connected wifi dongle
[6:37] <Chillum> they generally start by saying the mAh of the internal 3.7V battery rather than the 5V output, then they add 20-30%
[6:37] <Hitechcg> cool
[6:38] <Chillum> I tried running it without wifi but my power bank kept turning off because the load was so low
[6:38] <Hitechcg> lol
[6:38] <Chillum> my measurements with the multimeter shows the wifi dongle and the zero use about the same amount of power
[6:38] <Hitechcg> that's annoying when it happens
[6:38] <Chillum> well I am making my own board with a boost converter, battery monitor chip and charging chip
[6:39] <Chillum> so I will have control over that stuff soon
[6:39] <Chillum> for 3.7v lipos
[6:39] <Chillum> the 800mAh lipos that go in those little helicopters are just under the width/length of the zero so they fit the form factor well
[6:39] <Chillum> should get 2-3 hours at least
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[7:01] <merrick`> anybody here used a c-media usb headphone adapter with their pi?
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[7:02] <merrick`> seems the audio balance (left vs. right channel, volume) is off. Wondering if my unit is crap, the product in general is crap, i have it configured incorrectly, it's my earphones, or if this is expected and i need to play with it to get it setup right.
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[7:21] <Hitechcg> I actually had earbuds where the audio balance was off
[7:21] <Hitechcg> Have you tried the analog jack as a test?
[7:22] <Hitechcg> The one built into the Pi
[7:22] <Hitechcg> merrick`
[7:22] <merrick`> yeah
[7:23] <merrick`> the analog jack was OK, just the dithering the pi does resulted in a ton of white noise
[7:23] <merrick`> no white noise on the usb adapter, but also, the earphones are meant for a phone (they have volume/phone answer buttons on one earbud) so I was thinking that might be interfering
[7:24] <merrick`> especially since that earbud is the one that's low. Unfortunately I dont have other analog earphones laying around :(
[7:25] <Hitechcg> Isn't there a config option to disable dithering
[7:25] <Hitechcg> ?
[7:25] <merrick`> You know, I didn't even think about that.
[7:25] <Hitechcg> Do you know if they're CTIA or OMTP??
[7:26] <merrick`> Not sure what those acronyms are :X
[7:26] <merrick`> Disabling dithering eh..hrm, wonder how bad it is without it.
[7:26] <Hitechcg> disable_audio_dither=1
[7:27] <Hitechcg> merrick`, what phone did they come from?
[7:27] <merrick`> galaxy s6
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[7:27] <merrick`> and yeah, i just searched on it, appears I had stumbled across it, although earlier on in my mucking about days, when i was scared to break things
[7:28] <merrick`> now that i'm more familiar with the pi, i'm fine with it :D
[7:28] <merrick`> thanks
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[7:29] <Hitechcg> merrick`, is this a Pi 1 or 2?
[7:29] <merrick`> 2
[7:29] <merrick`> (for now, just got my zero up and running earlier today)
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[7:30] <Hitechcg> idk if there's a way to configure the video line on the Pi 2 TRRS jack as ground
[7:31] <merrick`> that sounds like it may require soldering? I'm not comfortable with that yet, only soldered a handful of times in my life. Picked up a beginner tutorial/practice kit the other day so i can start though :)
[7:31] <Hitechcg> I meant in software
[7:32] <pwnshop> hey guys
[7:32] <pwnshop> and gals
[7:32] <merrick`> I'm going to try the dithering thing real quick
[7:32] <merrick`> sup pwnshop
[7:33] <pwnshop> i've been working for like 3-4 hours trying to get my pi2 to read all 32 gb of my new micro sd
[7:33] <Hitechcg> raspi-config?
[7:33] <Hitechcg> > expand FS
[7:33] <pwnshop> tried that
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[7:34] <pwnshop> gave me a message saying it could do it
[7:34] <Hitechcg> hmm...
[7:34] <pwnshop> right now, im installing a fresh copy of raspbian
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[7:34] <pwnshop> then will try gparted
[7:34] <merrick`> how did you format it?
[7:34] <pwnshop> fat
[7:35] <merrick`> what program though?
[7:35] <pwnshop> os x disk utility
[7:35] <merrick`> ah, nm..formatted an sd card earlier with the recommended software from raspberrypi.org or w/e, there was an option to enable large cards...maybe there's something similar for osx though/
[7:36] <pwnshop> is the recommended software for windows only or linux?
[7:36] <Hitechcg> Does OS X have dd?
[7:36] <pwnshop> yes
[7:36] <merrick`> pwnshop, they have osx windows and linux recommendations iirc, lemme find the link for you
[7:36] <Hitechcg> Are you using a Raspbian image?
[7:36] <pwnshop> i am
[7:37] <pwnshop> thanks merrick`
[7:37] <pwnshop> it was funny, the image i downloaded from the site made the situation even worse
[7:37] <Hitechcg> Just dd it to the SD card, boot, then use raspi-config to expand it on the Pi
[7:37] <Hitechcg> ...right?
[7:37] <pwnshop> i'm gonna give that a shot as soon as its done writing
[7:38] <pwnshop> it takes a while to write it to the sd
[7:38] <Hitechcg> oh yeah, use bs=1M
[7:38] <pwnshop> here's what im doing right now
[7:38] <pwnshop> udo dd bs=1m if=/Users/Moose/Downloads/2015-11-21-raspbian-jessie.img of=/dev/disk2
[7:38] <pwnshop> sudo*
[7:38] <Hitechcg> ah
[7:39] <merrick`> pwnshop, bottom of this page has links for nix mac and windows https://www.raspberrypi.org/documentation/installation/installing-images/
[7:39] <pwnshop> it was working great with the 8gb...just needed a bit more room because i use mine for ham radio
[7:39] <Hitechcg> btw after the raspi-config, you can use 'df -h | grep /$' to test
[7:39] <moesizlac1155UK> Hey could anyone suggest a project for the PiTFT (Adafruit 2.8 in touch screen)
[7:40] <merrick`> er crap, that's for the image...
[7:40] <pwnshop> thanks Hitechcg, wrote that down
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[7:40] <pwnshop> yeah merrick`, i've been through those steps lol
[7:40] <pwnshop> thats actually what im doing now to write another image
[7:40] <merrick`> yeah sorry i was mis-remembering :\
[7:40] <pwnshop> then i'm going to raspi-config and expand
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[7:41] <merrick`> Hitechcg seems more knowledgable ;)
[7:41] <merrick`> pwnshop, how do you use your pi for ham radio? (contemplating getting licensed once i learn a bit more about electrical circuits etc)
[7:41] <pwnshop> while its writing, i used my pi and made an amateur radio contact to ukraine
[7:41] <Hitechcg> meh, not really
[7:42] <merrick`> just learned about pull-up/pull-down circuits the other day
[7:42] <pwnshop> dude merrick` it was a cinch to set up
[7:42] <merrick`> that's awesome!!
[7:42] <pwnshop> first you need a ham radio lol
[7:42] <merrick`> are they cheap?
[7:42] <pwnshop> lol no
[7:42] <merrick`> well shit.
[7:42] <pwnshop> google yaesu ft-450D
[7:42] <pwnshop> thats the radio i have
[7:42] <pwnshop> i think i got it for like $650-700
[7:42] <merrick`> holy moly
[7:42] <Hitechcg> I have a homemade shortwave radio kit I made ages ago
[7:43] <pwnshop> and you can apt-get these two programs for pi called flrig and fldigi
[7:43] <pwnshop> those are the programs to control the radio
[7:43] <Hitechcg> The kind of kit with the nice pretty spring terminals
[7:43] <pwnshop> nice lol
[7:43] <merrick`> remind me of a CB radio used by truckers and stuff.
[7:43] * pwnshop faints
[7:43] <pwnshop> CB is the trailer park of radio
[7:43] <pwnshop> Ham Radio is the upper class
[7:44] <pwnshop> lol
[7:44] <merrick`> well...truckers pull trailers so..
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[7:44] <pwnshop> ham radio lives in the gated neighborhood
[7:44] <merrick`> haha nice
[7:44] <pwnshop> but for real, its a great hobby
[7:45] <Hitechcg> "Please note that block size set to 4M will work most of the time; if not, please try 1M, although this will take considerably longer." > lol not really
[7:45] <pwnshop> you take a test, like 35 questions, and get your first license from the FCC
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[7:45] <pwnshop> lol
[7:45] <pwnshop> so i'm writing pretty slow huh?
[7:46] <merrick`> ham radio stuffs has been recommended to me a few times...
[7:46] <merrick`> imma go take a pretend test and see how i do :)
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[7:46] <pwnshop> yeah take one at qrz.com or eham.net
[7:46] <pwnshop> and take the Technician test
[7:47] <pwnshop> thats the first license you can get
[7:47] <pwnshop> let me see if i can get a link to a study guide that teaches you everything you need to know
[7:48] <pwnshop> http://www.amazon.com/ARRL-Ham-Radio-License-Manual/dp/1625950136/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1453013269&sr=8-1&keywords=arrl+technician+class+license+manual
[7:48] <pwnshop> read that once through and you'll pass first time
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[7:56] <merrick`> aww, i got a 63% (went to hamexam.org) passing is 74%
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[7:59] <merrick`> Hmm i can still hear some white noise during sound Hitechcg but it's much better without the dithering.
[8:00] <merrick`> thanks again :)
[8:00] <Hitechcg> I'm inclined to say your USB adapter's just shit
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[8:00] <Hitechcg> Mine only plays audio if it's louder than a certain level (on my laptop)
[8:00] <Hitechcg> Lower and it cuts out
[8:01] <merrick`> very possible. it was pretty cheap, and the brand is "kingwin", it's some c-media bullshit according to lsusb
[8:01] <merrick`> i'll bring it back to microcenter and get my $8 back :)
[8:01] <Hitechcg> Mine's a cheap $7 Syba adapter
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[8:04] <Hitechcg> Unfortunately, the level that it cuts out at is just a little too loud for my preferences in a quiet room
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[8:05] <Hitechcg> Mine also says C-Media
[8:05] <merrick`> wonder if mine is just a dud.
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[8:12] <Hitechcg> idk
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[9:34] <pwnshop> anybody home?
[9:35] <SpeedEvil> no
[9:35] <pwnshop> drats
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[9:42] <Hitechcg> lol
[9:42] <Michael2016> Hi, Raspberry Pi Zero got the same SOC as the B+ but is running at 1000MHz. Does this mean, it is overclocked in the way the B+ can be?
[9:42] <Hitechcg> You know, I was wondering that too...
[9:43] <Hitechcg> btw the B and B+ have the same SOC
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[9:45] <Michael2016> Yes, I know. It was just an example :-)
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[9:48] <Michael2016> Does really nobody know?
[9:48] <mlelstv> nobody knows
[9:48] <mlelstv> ask him
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[9:56] <Xark> Michael2016: Yes, it is in effect pre-overclocked (but designed to be fine).
[9:56] <Michael2016> Ok, thank you. So running at 700MHz will be safer?
[9:57] <Xark> Michael2016: No. It is a new batch of chips and new board design so should be fine at default speed.
[9:57] <Xark> (However not much headroom to try to go faster than default)
[9:58] <Michael2016> Oh, very cool. Do you know if the I2C clock stretching bug is also eliminated in this batch?
[9:58] <Xark> Michael2016: I don't believe so.
[10:00] <Michael2016> Xark: ok, thanks.
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[10:00] <mlelstv> would you know if the chip was changed?
[10:01] <Xark> I am not sure they made any changes, just are getting better at fabbing it (so can run faster without too many "bad" parts).
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[12:16] <yskapell> Hi all
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[12:16] <yskapell> I install Kali linux for raspberry
[12:16] <yskapell> but I cannot find config.txt
[12:16] <yskapell> any idea on this
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[12:18] * ShorTie Thinkz, it may not have it .. :/~
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[12:54] <sgo11> Hi, I bought a pi camera (camera module). not sure whether that is a official one. It works. But the way to change its Exposure value is weird. When I use the command "raspivid", the default exposure value is always "33164" (I got this value from --setings option). I tried to use "-ex" argument with "night", "backlight", "auto". The exposure value never changes. To get a clear and more bright photo with light in my room, I would like to increase the expo
[12:54] <sgo11> sure value. Finally, I found out I can increase the exposure value to "62997" if I use the arg "-fps 15". The result is good. but why do I have to use "-fps" to achieve this? Is this expected? thanks.
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[12:56] <Jezz> slower frame rates give the sensor more time to capture more light.
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[12:57] <Jezz> which = more exposure.
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[13:00] <sgo11> Jezz, is that possible to set the exposure value explicitly instead of using -fps argument? and why doesn't "-ex" work? thanks.
[13:01] <mlelstv> can you reduce exposure time with -ex ?
[13:01] <Jezz> not to sure sorry. i dont have a camera module...YET!
[13:01] <mlelstv> I would think that 62997 is already the maximum possible with 15fps and 33164 is the maximum possible with 30fps
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[13:02] <sgo11> mlelstv, The three values I tried "-ex night", "-ex auto", "-ex backlight", all give the same 33164 exposure value.
[13:03] <sgo11> mlelstv, so to increase the exposure value, I have to use "-fps" argument which is the only argument I have to use for doing such job? thanks.
[13:03] <mlelstv> hmm, -ex auto sounds like it is adjusted automatically. So if you have more light, the exposure gets shorter.
[13:04] <mlelstv> the alternative would be to automatically adjust the fps to get longer exposures. Apparently that's not done by raspivid.
[13:04] <mlelstv> I don't have the camera, so I cannot verify myself.
[13:05] <sgo11> mlelstv, I did the test by turning on and off the light I got in my room, the exposure value never changes. the same happens when I use "-fps 15". I don't know whether this is because the pi camera is not official one or not.
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[13:05] <mlelstv> hmm
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[13:06] <sgo11> regardless what light I got in my room, the fixed combination of arguments will always give the same exposure value.
[13:08] <mlelstv> aha
[13:09] <mlelstv> just reading the documentation. It's a misunderstanding.
[13:09] <mlelstv> do you see the 'shutter time' ?
[13:10] <mlelstv> 1.) fps forces the exposure time to a maximum value, to disable set 0.
[13:10] <mlelstv> 2.) exposure and shutterspeed do not work as expected together.
[13:11] <mlelstv> https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=43&t=76909
[13:11] <mlelstv> here is some discussion about it
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[13:17] <sgo11> mlelstv, thanks a lot for that link. It looks more complex. Anyway, I just stick with "-fps 15". It gave me best and acceptable video output in my room.
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[14:12] <mlelstv> is the -fps 30 video too dark or too noisy ?
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[14:13] <sgo11> mlelstv, a little bit dark. not too dark. but -fps 15 makes the output much better. :)
[14:15] <mlelstv> means there is not much compensation for the missing light in the video codec,
[14:15] <mlelstv> noise could be compensated by cooling the camera.
[14:17] <mlelstv> did play with the other settings like --ISO ?
[14:17] <sgo11> mlelstv, I should change my light one day. :) but 15fps is OK for now before I change my light.
[14:18] <mlelstv> yeah, but maybe you can do even better :)
[14:18] <mlelstv> and I am curious wether this actually helps for the camera :)
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[14:20] <sgo11> mlelstv, by cooling the camera? I am just doing some tests on this camera for now. The camera is not hot at all.
[14:21] <mlelstv> nah, by testing raspivid --ISO
[14:21] <mlelstv> cooling alone would help now
[14:21] <ozzzy_> doesn't have to be 'hot'.... but cooling the camera will cut down on thermal noise in the sensor
[14:21] <mlelstv> (and it means cooling to 0C or lower :)
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[14:24] <mlelstv> cooling alone would _NOT_ help now
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[14:25] <sgo11> mlelstv, I am not a native English speaker. I might misunderstand what you mean. sorry. I haven't really played with --ISO. I remembered I tried once two days with a value suggested by some guy in the pi forum. The result was very bad. so I just forget about that arg. :)
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[14:26] <sgo11> something wrong with my network.
[14:27] <sgo11> mlelstv, I am not a native English speaker. I might misunderstand what you mean. sorry. I haven't really played with --ISO. I remembered I tried once two days ago with a value suggested by some guy in the pi forum. The result was very bad. so I just forget about that arg. :)
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[14:36] <mlelstv> iso setting is the sensitivity of the sensor. so higher values produces brighter images (and more noise)
[14:37] <mlelstv> hmm
[14:37] <mlelstv> --ISO, -ISO | Set capture ISO
[14:37] <mlelstv> Not yet implemented
[14:39] <mlelstv> so, no idea if it even works
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[16:31] <Hix> hey SpeedEvil. It randomly came back to life at 04:36. sudo apt-get update / upgrade and all is back in order. Phew!
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[17:41] <popnfloss> how much better is the rpi 2 vs the rpi 1 model b
[17:42] <popnfloss> in terms of emulators, watching video, etc.
[17:42] <popnfloss> does it have a better GPU?
[17:42] <Chillum> it was 4 cores
[17:42] <Chillum> and all are faster
[17:42] <Chillum> but the GPU is the same
[17:42] <popnfloss> ah ok
[17:42] <Chillum> it has more ram too
[17:42] <popnfloss> i just bought one on ebay and im selling the old one
[17:42] <Chillum> unless you are concerned about how much power it uses then the Pi 2 wins hands down
[17:43] <Chillum> I have heard reports that they got a generation higher on the gaming emulators on the pi 2
[17:43] <Chillum> forgot which ones it was, but they were able to emulate a couple systems they could not on the earlier model
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[17:43] <popnfloss> if i use a 2A adapter, can i hook up a 2.5" hard drive without a hub?
[17:43] <Chillum> no
[17:44] <Chillum> regardless of how much power goes into the Pi it can only pass so much through to the usb
[17:44] <Chillum> if the hard drive had external power, or a powered hub it should work
[17:44] * ShorTie Thinkz, should be able too...
[17:44] <Chillum> unless it is a very low powered drive'
[17:44] <popnfloss> the hdd draws 0.451A
[17:45] <ShorTie> you also need the current hack and a good quality micro-usb power cord
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[17:45] <Chillum> http://raspberrypi.stackexchange.com/questions/340/how-much-power-can-be-provided-through-usb
[17:45] <popnfloss> i have a usb hub and a cord, i used it on the old pi with success
[17:45] <popnfloss> i just wanted to see if i could get rid of the hub and the clutter
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[17:46] <gordonDrogon> A new Pi (B+, v2) can supply a max. of 1.2 amps via the USB interface
[17:46] <Chillum> given how low powered the drive is it may just work then
[17:46] <gordonDrogon> you need a boot-time option to enble that though.
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[17:46] <mlelstv> starting the hdd usually takes more power
[17:47] <vikaton> Hi gordonDrogon
[17:48] <popnfloss> yeah i noticed without the hub it tries to spin up but it just cant do it
[17:48] <popnfloss> what about an ssd
[17:48] <gordonDrogon> ssd's still need power but the start-up surge is much less.
[17:49] <popnfloss> <gordonDrogon> A new Pi (B+, v2) can supply a max. of 1.2 amps via the USB interface
[17:49] <popnfloss> oh cool
[17:49] <popnfloss> then maybe i wont need the hub
[17:49] <exonormal> just use USB sticks
[17:49] <mlelstv> and modern ssds are usually always better than hdds
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[17:49] <popnfloss> yeah just more cost per GB
[17:49] <exonormal> 60gb SSD about $50
[17:49] <Chillum> the only time I get a platter drive is when I need very large capacities, or if I am going to use it for a write heavy application
[17:50] <popnfloss> the HDD works fine, its just for file storage so it doesnt affect the responsiveness of the OS
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[17:50] <Chillum> for example I parse the blockchain on a platter, but keep up with it on a ssd
[17:50] <popnfloss> mine has a 1TB HDD full of movies and tv shows
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[17:51] <Chillum> ssd are pointless for movies and shows, you only need to read so fast
[17:51] <Chillum> and you really need the capacity
[17:51] <Chillum> though there is an argument for silent drives in the entertainment room
[17:51] <gordonDrogon> put drives on a server in another room.
[17:51] <UserUS> across the country
[17:51] <Chillum> ya
[17:52] <Chillum> I am going to setup a file server in the other room... need a drill and a long cat6 cable though
[17:52] <Chillum> wifi just won't do for a media server
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[17:54] <jjham> Get a QNAP or Buffalo NAS, you'll be fine.
[17:54] <popnfloss> Chillum i can't hear the thing at all
[17:54] <popnfloss> i use wifi on the media server
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[17:55] <Chillum> I have a fridge that causes packet loss when running
[17:55] <popnfloss> lol
[17:55] <jjham> I use PS3 WiFi, and it's fine.
[17:55] <Chillum> my last house I had perfect wifi, my new place it is spotty
[17:55] <popnfloss> for some reason on raspbian on the pi 1 the network just slows down sometimes
[17:55] <Chillum> last place has 14 networks in range(apartment), new place it is just me sooo not sure what is up with that
[17:55] <popnfloss> to like 200kb/s
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[17:56] <Chillum> I even had to go back to wired keyboard and mouse, the wireless ones kept failing. Multiple devices, fresh batteries
[17:56] <Chillum> I may be over a ley line!
[17:57] <jjham> Oh geez Ancient Aliens stuff...
[17:59] <jjham> Chillum: You have a obelisk nearby?
[17:59] <jjham> :-)
[17:59] <Chillum> pft! the ley lines are WAY older than the aliens
[17:59] <Chillum> jjham: ya... I have an obelisk right.... errr nevermind
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[18:01] <jjham> Apollo on his trips to Hyperboria.
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[18:05] <jjham> Has anyone messed with a Bitscope?
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[18:06] <Aussie> Hi all :D
[18:07] <merrick`> sup
[18:07] <jjham> I have an analog scope, but was thinking about getting one of these:
[18:07] <jjham> http://my.bitscope.com/store/?p=view&i=item+3
[18:07] <Aussie> joined in for some troubleshooting hopefully some one can help :D
[18:07] <jjham> The price is attractive.
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[18:08] <jjham> Aussie: Shoot!
[18:08] <merrick`> aussie, just shoot, hopefully someone will pipe up with help :)
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[18:09] <popnfloss> i didnt know they made usb oscilloscopes
[18:09] <Hypnotizes> when is the rpi zero available again?
[18:09] <popnfloss> are you doing audio stuff like music or something
[18:09] <Hypnotizes> wairing for months
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[18:10] <ppq> for very basic stuff you can even use a soundcard as an oscilloscope popnfloss
[18:11] <jjham> This Bitscope is a USB digital storage scope + 8 bit logic analyzer. + function generator.
[18:11] <Chillum> Nice. I ran my Pi Zero with a wifi dongle for 41 hours before it finally dies off of my no-name 10500 mAh USB power bank
[18:11] <jjham> Seems almost too good to be true for the price.
[18:12] <merrick`> Hypnotizes, not sure on official availability but lots of people have gotten one that comes with magpi #40 (including myself)
[18:12] <Chillum> that means a tiny 800mAh will get ~ 3 hours, and those are small like a zero
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[18:13] <Hypnotizes> merrick`: magpi is the magazine right?
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[18:13] <merrick`> Hypnotizes, yes. I snagged one at a local barnes and noble. There's even sites that have maps of where they're available (sorry i cant remember what it is off the top of my head)
[18:13] <merrick`> but popular places seem to be barnes and noble and microcenter
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[18:14] <Hypnotizes> merrick`: I am living in the Netherlands, do you think I can find somewhere here?
[18:15] <popnfloss> i was looking at the zero and its really cool how they can fit all that in a tiny chip but its too impractical for me w/ all the tiny ports
[18:15] <Hypnotizes> otherwise I could also wait
[18:15] <Hypnotizes> but I am waiting for like 2 months now :(
[18:15] <popnfloss> apparently they make little wall plug cases for the pi zero so you can just plug the thing into a wall discretely
[18:16] <popnfloss> just hide embedded servers all over town lol
[18:16] <jjham> That's frightening.
[18:16] <popnfloss> leave one in a hotel and do some carding
[18:16] <Chillum> heck, you could open up a tv or anything with power and wire in a usb power adapter
[18:16] <Chillum> hide it in near anything
[18:16] <popnfloss> you certainly could
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[18:17] <popnfloss> i mean youve probably been able to do that for a long time but never before has it been so cheap and easy
[18:17] <Chillum> the pi zero could probably fit inside a power bar
[18:17] <Chillum> nobody ever checks inside their power bar
[18:19] <jjham> The plus side to security is that the Pi Zero has no on board network.
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[18:19] <Chillum> haha
[18:19] <merrick`> Hypnotizes, i've read a lot that the issue is still available with a subscription, though im not sure if that's still the case.
[18:19] <popnfloss> hook one of these up to it https://www.adafruit.com/products/1567?gclid=Cj0KEQiAlO20BRCcieCSncPlqqMBEiQAOZGMnBQjArCorPMHFU9jxX4CBNg6dUuOm_EB43GcXWo3Z6waAoUl8P8HAQ
[18:19] <popnfloss> hide a surveillance camera anywhere that has a power outlet
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[18:20] <Chillum> the zero does not have the interface for that camera
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[18:20] <popnfloss> theres some tiny usb ones
[18:20] <merrick`> my pi zero is running headless atm, all it has is the standard android power charger and a usb hub. I could do w/o the hub and just plug the wifi dongle in direct. still would be smaller than a cigarette lighter.
[18:20] <Chillum> that would work
[18:20] <merrick`> wifi camera yo, put it wherever.
[18:21] <popnfloss> spy on your neighbors fucking
[18:21] <popnfloss> (satire)
[18:21] <merrick`> ::shudder::
[18:21] <Chillum> the main advantage of a computer on-site is that you can interface with the wifi and LAN
[18:21] <Chillum> act as a "pivot point"
[18:23] <popnfloss> people could work en-masse hiding them in servers all over the world and make a botnet
[18:23] <popnfloss> raspberry pi project mayhem
[18:25] <Chillum> meh, the NSA has all the cpus back doored anyways
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[18:30] <SpeedEvil> Hix: magic!
[18:30] <mlelstv> build your own CPU then
[18:30] <jjham> Chillum: What you say is true...Cisco and various overs have switch code to enable the NSA access in.
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[18:30] <SpeedEvil> popnfloss: there are better choices
[18:31] <merrick`> just get chinese chips
[18:31] <Chillum> ohh ya, the chinese would never help the us spy
[18:31] <Chillum> </sarcasm>
[18:31] <SpeedEvil> http://www.aliexpress.com/item/Free-Shipping-Original-Banana-PI-D1-IP-Camera-with-wide-angle-lens-and-smart-home-control/32450894916.html?ws_ab_test=searchweb201556_1,searchweb201644_1_10001_10002_10005_301_10006_10003_10004_62,searchweb201560_8,searchweb1451318400_6149
[18:32] <mlelstv> the chinese are smart enough to put backdoors into backdoors, so they spy on what the NSA is spying.
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[18:34] <jjham> We're really going down this rabbit hole? Does anyone watch their firewall?
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[18:37] <jjham> No one on the Bitscope???
[18:38] <Chillum> I use real fire on my firewall
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[18:38] <jjham> Chillum: Wood or coal?
[18:38] <jjham> :-)
[18:38] <Chillum> gas
[18:38] <jjham> Nice!
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[18:39] <Chillum> how much depends on what I have been eating
[18:40] <jjham> did we ever hear form Aussie?
[18:40] <jjham> from
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[18:58] <jjham> So nada on the Bitscope?
[18:59] <jjham> Was hoping someone had some experience with it.
[19:00] <jjham> It's supposed to decode various serial protocols, like SPI, and I2C + RS-232
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[19:00] <jjham> Figured it would be a big hit here.
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[19:02] <Chillum> I have not tried it. I ahve order a sallae(or however it is spelled) for $7
[19:02] <Chillum> will see how well that w2orks when it gets here
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[19:13] <jjham> Alright guess I'll dive in...Not too expensive...
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[19:18] <exonormal> I got a ADALM1000 board and is nice for low voltage o-scope readings.... good price tho.
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[19:24] <aussi_> hi all
[19:25] <aussi_> back agian :D lost connection apperently
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[19:25] <aussi_> could someone please help me with some trouble shooting :D
[19:27] <jjham> We've been waiting for you...
[19:29] <aussi_> trying to put some data I generate with a python script in a database but have troubles with it ....
[19:29] <aussi_> thought so ;);)
[19:29] * ozzzy_ doesn't do python
[19:29] <jjham> What kind of database?
[19:29] <aussi_> try checking this webpage
[19:29] <aussi_> http://sanderspi.servebeer.com/cgi-bin/webgui2.py
[19:30] <jjham> So sqlite and python.
[19:30] <aussi_> right
[19:31] <aussi_> I think it has something do with the ownership / rights....
[19:32] <aussi_> I made a database and made the owner www-data and placed it in /var/www/
[19:32] <jjham> I was so hoping I could help you. I have no Python experience, I've done Bash and PHP to sqlite and MySQL.
[19:32] <aussi_> I made a python script which I placed in usr/lib/cgi-bin/ and made the owner also www-data
[19:34] <ShorTie> if anyone wants to play with Arduino_IDE-1.6.7, wget https://raw.githubusercontent.com/ShorTie8/Arduino_IDE/master/Arduino_IDE_builder.bash
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[19:35] <jjham> aussi_: Can you open the sqlite DB form the console?
[19:35] <aussi_> alright thanks jjham :( I dont think the script is bad tho. I think it has something to do with the rights and ownership....
[19:37] <jjham> aussi_: Who does the Webserver run as on your system?
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[19:42] <aussi_> jjham u still alive :D
[19:43] <jjham> Yep
[19:43] <jjham> Get a console.
[19:43] <aussi_> tried mssging u but that ditn work :D?
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[19:44] <jjham> Sorry about that.
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[20:27] <vikaton> if anyone here uses Rust, I creating this library for rPi GPIO similar to of WiringPi, https://github.com/Vikaton/cylus
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[20:38] <ScottO_> are the repos jacked?
[20:39] <ScottO_> getting weird errors on update
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[20:53] <Luyin> is it a problem to change the standard user, pi's, privileges in the /etc/sudoers file from NOPASSWD: ALL ? I think it is a security problem to have pi run everything without the password
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[20:54] <BurtyB> it's yours do what you want...
[20:54] <gordonDrogon> Luyin, been like that from day 1... you are technically correct, but anyone with an ounce of sense will learn more before connecting a Pi to the open interwebs (I'd like to hope, anyway)
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[21:00] <aussi_> hi guys some one hope can help me out with rights and ownerships :D?
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[21:01] <Luyin> gordonDrogon: BurtyB it's not the question whether I want it or not, but rather is it safe. just yesterday I had to reset the image on the sd card because I had removed the "pi" user and replaced it with another one, and therefore couldn't boot via autologin to GUI. so I want to be sure that before I make a significant change to this standard user, I will still be able to use it afterwards.
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[21:19] <aussi_> any one in :d
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[21:21] <Hitechcg> no
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[21:22] <furkan> does anybody here use "scrot" to get a screenshot of their rpi over ssh?
[21:23] <furkan> i run "DISPLAY=:0 scrot" and get the error message "giblib error: Can't open X display. It *is* running, yeah?"
[21:23] <ScottO_> does anyone know what user that openvpn runs as?
[21:23] <ScottO_> i find that debian doesnt run services as root
[21:23] <ScottO_> and that breaks most guides
[21:24] <ScottO_> maybe something changed in jessie
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[21:33] <Chilley> should i be able to share the root folder with samba?
[21:34] <Chilley> put path = / in my share definition but the folder is empty when i open it
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[21:54] <ThePendulum> 'lo
[21:54] <Chillum> yo
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[21:54] <Xark> Chilley: It should be possible (but not sure wise). Perhaps a permissions issue?
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[21:55] <ThePendulum> I know these things aren't made for it, but I can't help but ask; how usable is the Pi 2 as a mediacenter with XBMC? It's -ok- with my original Pi B but not something you'd like to use every day
[21:55] <ThePendulum> Are the v2s a lot more capable in that regard?
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[21:55] <Xark> ThePendulum: Yes, much better/
[21:55] <ThePendulum> I mean, it'd only take a notch up from the Pi 1 really
[21:55] <ThePendulum> nice, I'm considering to upgrade
[21:56] <ThePendulum> buy a big monitor for it and use it as a streaming TV
[21:56] <ali1234> the GPU is the same, so hardware decoding is pretty much the same. but the CPU is much faster
[21:56] <ThePendulum> probably keep using my old one to control my LED strips unless the Pi 2 can handle that all at the same time
[21:56] <Xark> ThePendulum: They claim about 6x faster (but this is with all four cores). But it is very noticeable on Kodi etc.
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[21:56] <ThePendulum> yeah video worked quite alright in XBMC at the time, but the UI would be completely stuck
[21:56] <ali1234> disk and network bandwidth is also the same
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[21:57] <Chillum> I use openelec and it runs just fine
[21:57] <ThePendulum> I'll be streaming from our NAS or professional services so only the latter is something to think about
[21:57] <ali1234> the faster CPU does help everything at least a little bit though
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[21:57] <Xark> I find network is improved (and SD a small amount). Likely due to another core handling them.
[21:57] <ali1234> network is on USB, and always had problems with missed interrupts on the older Pis
[21:57] <ali1234> faster CPU helps to not drop packets basically
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[21:58] <ThePendulum> ali1234: the actual ethernet port is, or you hooked it up to USB?
[21:58] <ali1234> SD doesn't suffer from the interrupt problem since it's directly controlled by the CPU and DMA, and an SD card will happily wait forever
[21:58] <Tenkawa> anyone running regular debian armhf on a pi zerp vs raspbian just for comparison?
[21:58] <ali1234> ThePendulum: the built in ethernet is on USB
[21:58] <Xark> ali1234: Yeah, it seems much more reliable for me. My RPi2 has been doing great (whereas RPi1 would always randomly disconnect on occasion etc.).
[21:58] <ali1234> on all Pis that have ethernet
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[21:59] <Tenkawa> just curious of the perf difference in general
[21:59] <ThePendulum> "TVs" get a lot cheaper if I buy a monitor instead, for some reason I thought big monitors were extremely expensive compared to TVs of the same size
[21:59] <ali1234> you can't run debian armhf on a pi zero?
[21:59] <ali1234> you can only run armel, because it's the old SoC
[21:59] <ThePendulum> but I can get a 32" QHD monitor for a decent price
[21:59] <Xark> Tenkawa: Zero has a bit more zip, it is noticeable (but nothing like Pi2).
[22:00] <Tenkawa> really?
[22:00] <ali1234> yes really
[22:00] <Tenkawa> umm the binaries in raspbian are armhf
[22:00] <Tenkawa> at least thats what i see in dpkg
[22:00] <ali1234> yes, but they're not debian armhf
[22:00] <Tenkawa> ahhh
[22:00] <Tenkawa> recompiled armhf
[22:00] <Tenkawa> i see
[22:00] <Tenkawa> well darn
[22:00] <Xark> Tenkawa: Zero is pretty much like a "pre-overclocked" PiB+ speedwise.
[22:00] <kapitanf> what is maximum transfer of i/o ethernet
[22:01] <ali1234> debian armel = ARMv4, raspbian = ARMv6, debian armhf = ARMv7, ubuntu = ARMv7
[22:01] <Tenkawa> Xark: yeah.. i just wondered
[22:01] <Tenkawa> oh well.. guess i'll stick to raspbian
[22:01] <Hitechcg> Can you overclock the Zero /over/ 1GHz?
[22:01] <Tenkawa> might try slackware
[22:01] <ali1234> yeah that's the best thing to do. it's virtually identical to debian anyway
[22:01] <Tenkawa> i think its a v6
[22:02] <Xark> Hitechcg: You can try, but supposedly it has little headroom (I haven't tried).
[22:02] <ali1234> Hitechcg: you get to keep the pieces
[22:02] <Tenkawa> ali1234: yeah but all of my other boxes are core debian with consistent setups
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[22:02] <Hitechcg> Don't have one (just an original Pi B rev 2 and a Pi 2B), just wondering
[22:03] <Tenkawa> i really like the zero so far
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[22:04] <ThePendulum> I'm wondering how much wiring I could use between my Pi and my LED strip, hmm
[22:04] <ThePendulum> not really a PI matter I guess
[22:04] <ali1234> you mean like cable length?
[22:05] <Tenkawa> ugg this weather is so blah
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[22:05] <t3chguy> ThePendulum: depends on the current being drawn by the LEDs
[22:06] <t3chguy> and if its addressable LEDs then the Data wire can be as long as desired, but power supply not so
[22:06] <t3chguy> if you're using a separate power supply then the ground reference cable back to the Pi can be as thin and long as the Data wire
[22:06] <ali1234> within reason of course
[22:06] <t3chguy> ali1234: of course, but within a high margin of sanity
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[22:08] <t3chguy> the only wires you need to keep as short and thick as possible, are the positive and negative connections between the power supply and the LED strip
[22:08] <ali1234> t3chguy: i had an idea yesterday. start desktop on pi zero, have dispmanx encode it as .h264, feed it to UVC camera gadget driver, see desktop on PC using your webcam app...
[22:08] <ThePendulum> t3chguy: I definitely need to step up my game from the breadboard wires I'm using for testing here
[22:08] <ThePendulum> t3chguy: nothing is short circuited, but you'd burn yourself on the breadboard if the LEDs are full white
[22:08] <t3chguy> lol ali1234
[22:09] <t3chguy> that's not bad as a makeshift screen
[22:09] <t3chguy> though X-Forwarding and VNC can probably do better
[22:09] <t3chguy> including control over the same link
[22:09] <t3chguy> waaaait
[22:09] <t3chguy> ali1234: you'd have a large-ish issue
[22:09] <t3chguy> Control
[22:09] <t3chguy> can't run Host and Device mode side-by-side
[22:09] <t3chguy> so you'd either be able to see the screen or control it
[22:09] <ali1234> true
[22:09] <ali1234> the benefit of UVC is it needs no drivers
[22:10] <t3chguy> ali1234: so all you could do is WATCH xD
[22:10] <ali1234> sometimes that's enough though
[22:10] <ali1234> "why isnt my pi booting"
[22:10] <Tenkawa> bbl.. cheers all
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[22:11] <t3chguy> ali1234: if it doesn't boot then you can't load the kernel module for it xD
[22:11] <ali1234> if the kernel doesn't boot at all, yeah
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[22:12] <t3chguy> ali1234: neat idea more for an application running on the Pi that uses the GPIO as inputs
[22:13] <t3chguy> but not as much for a desktop environment
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[22:14] <ali1234> also, i doubt X11 or VNC could do better than a hardware .h264 encoder
[22:15] <ali1234> X11 is lossless, VNC is very very lossy and also tries to guess what changed on the screen
[22:15] <ali1234> (and usually fails at it)
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[22:15] <ali1234> "just sending h264 video streams" is likely to replace both as the remote access solution of choice, in my opinion
[22:16] <ali1234> in fact it probably already has, if you count twitch
[22:17] <kapitanf> no comment: https://www.hackster.io/aallan/a-4-node-raspberry-pi-cluster-e19273
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[22:19] <t3chguy> kapitanf: that is along the lines of what ali1234 and I want to do
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[22:19] <t3chguy> except we want to use the Zeros
[22:19] <t3chguy> running only a single USB cable to each
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[22:19] <t3chguy> for both Data and Power
[22:19] <t3chguy> well, actually, docking them in a USB Hub
[22:19] <mlelstv> with RPI0 you could build larger clusters.
[22:19] <ali1234> RPI0 with v7 SoC would be even better of course
[22:20] <ali1234> maybe it will happen one day
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[22:20] <mlelstv> well, nobody would really want to build a RPI cluster for speed.
[22:21] <ali1234> it's faster than building in qemu
[22:21] <ali1234> and more likely to work than cross compiling
[22:22] <mlelstv> assuming you could build something in a cluster :)
[22:22] <ali1234> how do you think they build linux distributions? on one guy's computer?
[22:23] <ali1234> must be why they only release ubuntu every 6 months. mark shuttleworth types make and then when it finishes they release it :)
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[22:23] <ali1234> but seriously though, building on a cluster is actually very very easy
[22:24] <ali1234> there's distcc if you have one very large application, or various buildbots if you want to build many small ones
[22:25] <mlelstv> distcc only helps for the compiler
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[22:26] <mlelstv> that's also how you can cross-compile for rpi
[22:26] <mlelstv> but everything else in building needs to be done natively.
[22:26] <Chillum> compiling on a pi reminds me of the old days
[22:26] <ali1234> doesn't necessarily need to be done on the same CPU though
[22:27] <mlelstv> the old days of what? :)
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[22:27] <ali1234> for example configure is really slow because it compiles loads of test programs
[22:27] <ali1234> then it runs them which is often why it fails to cross compile
[22:28] <Chillum> mlelstv: old days of compiling. Before modern cpus it took a while
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[22:28] <mlelstv> the test programs compile in sub-second, the distcc overhead is larger
[22:28] <ali1234> sub-second on x86 maybe
[22:28] <mlelstv> old days like Pentium? :)
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[22:29] <mlelstv> or old days like 8088 @ 4.77MHz ?
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[22:29] <mlelstv> or 6502 at 1MHz
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[22:30] <mlelstv> ali, nah, also on rpi
[22:30] <ali1234> an interesting thing... C64 shipped with basic, an interpreted language, and no compiler
[22:30] <ali1234> nobody complained it was too slow
[22:32] <gordonDrogon> basic's good...
[22:32] <ali1234> no two versions of basic are the same...
[22:32] <gordonDrogon> my first micro basic was on the Apple II.
[22:32] <gordonDrogon> the early MS basics were fairly similar.
[22:32] <ali1234> to each other maybe
[22:32] <gordonDrogon> the main differences was the graphics support on each individual micro.
[22:32] <vikaton> gordonDrogon: Do you know of any resources I can read for Pwm GPIO output?
[22:33] <ali1234> they're nothing at all like the basics on 8 bit systems
[22:33] <gordonDrogon> vikaton, the Pi has 2 hardware PWM channels...
[22:33] <gordonDrogon> ali1234, what aren't?
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[22:33] <gordonDrogon> MS basic started on 8-bit systems...
[22:33] <ali1234> gordonDrogon: the basic implementations microsoft made 20 years ago
[22:34] <gordonDrogon> 30+ years ago.
[22:34] <vikaton> wait what :/
[22:34] <ali1234> i consider "early" to include everything up to visual basic 3
[22:34] <gordonDrogon> vikaton, 2 hardware PWMs. You can only get to 1 on early Pi's though
[22:34] * gordonDrogon considers early 30+ years back...
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[22:35] <ali1234> 4, 5, 6 are completely different, and VBscript is completely different again
[22:35] <gordonDrogon> 1977 is more or less when it started for me. I was 15 then.
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[22:35] <gordonDrogon> maybe 14...
[22:35] <gordonDrogon> Apple, commodore, tandy all had variants of MS basic in ROM.
[22:36] <vikaton> gordonDrogon: I meant documentation, my end goal is basically to add some Pwm functionality to my library which is similar to yours
[22:36] <Xark> (in some models)
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[22:36] <vikaton> though, I'm sort of confused as how threads come into play in your C code
[22:36] <gordonDrogon> vikaton, well - read the wiringPi source code ;-)
[22:36] <gordonDrogon> vikaton, that's softPwm - ignore that for the hardware ones.
[22:37] <mlelstv> https://www.elektormagazine.com/magazine/elektor-200504/17946
[22:37] <vikaton> I'm probably confusing myself
[22:37] <gordonDrogon> vikaton, look in wiringPi.c - search for the PWM code there. Follow the code in gpio.c for examples how its used in wiringPi.
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[22:37] <vikaton> Ill try again
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[22:38] <gordonDrogon> mlelstv, http://unicorn.drogon.net/stuff/mk14.jpg
[22:38] <gordonDrogon> vikaton, essentially the pinMode function in wiringPi.c is where it's setup.
[22:38] <msev-> how would i change a python script that is meant to run on a Rpi to run on a x86 ubuntu netbook? Like prolly I'll have to replace rpi.gpio with something else, a button press with a keyboard press? I would like to run this on my netbook https://github.com/sammachin/AlexaPi
[22:39] <vikaton> gordonDrogon: void pinModeGpio ?
[22:39] <mlelstv> yes, that's "early" computing :)
[22:39] <gordonDrogon> mlelstv, I built one of these back in the day: https://www.elektormagazine.com/magazine/elektor-200501/17897
[22:40] <gordonDrogon> didn't have a fancy case for it though.
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[22:40] <gordonDrogon> vikaton, round about line 1327...
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[22:41] <gordonDrogon> I loved elektor - they had really cool PCBs, but were expensive...
[22:41] <vikaton> gordonDrogon: Im using github, lines are slightly off
[22:41] <vikaton> https://github.com/WiringPi/WiringPi/blob/master/wiringPi/wiringPi.c#L1327
[22:41] <mlelstv> for me it was mostly theoretical, the first computer ABC80
[22:41] <mlelstv> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ABC_80
[22:42] <gordonDrogon> vikaton, wiringPi is not hosted on github.
[22:42] <gordonDrogon> mlelstv, neat.
[22:42] <mlelstv> but I also got access to a PDP11 writing FORTRAN programs for school.
[22:43] <gordonDrogon> yea - I had dialup tty33 access to the local place for BASIC before the Apple II.
[22:44] <gordonDrogon> vikaton, https://git.drogon.net/?p=wiringPi;a=blob;f=wiringPi/wiringPi.c
[22:45] <gordonDrogon> the old MK14's are worth a bit of money these days. Mine still works...
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[22:46] <mlelstv> my stuff from that time is all gone.
[22:46] <sockofleas> hi, does anyone know if its possible to use an old ipod as a screen for the 1B+?
[22:46] <mlelstv> I think I have a handwritten disassembly of the ABC80 ROM somewhere :)
[22:47] <mlelstv> sockofleas, there is "possible" and "possible".
[22:47] <sockofleas> ?
[22:47] <sockofleas> i dont understand
[22:48] <ali1234> it's not possible
[22:48] <mlelstv> how old is the ipod?
[22:48] <sockofleas> ipod touch 2g
[22:49] <sockofleas> i also have an iphone 4 i no longer use, that thing is pretty messed up tho
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[22:51] <mlelstv> the most simple method is probably to write an app for it and connect it to the rpi via bluetooth.
[22:51] <mlelstv> and "most simple" in this case is far away from just "simple"
[22:52] <sockofleas> how much is bluetooth adapter?
[22:52] <mlelstv> very cheap
[22:52] <sockofleas> maybe some existing app can work over bluetooth
[22:52] <mlelstv> $7 or so
[22:52] <mlelstv> I have no idea if such an app even exists
[22:53] <sockofleas> can ssh work over bluetooth?
[22:53] <sockofleas> or vnc
[22:53] <mlelstv> in theory yes.
[22:53] <sockofleas> i think that might be too much data for bluetooth
[22:53] <mlelstv> hmm, the ipod has wifi too?
[22:53] <mlelstv> then maybe wifi is easier than bluetooth
[22:53] <sockofleas> yes but i dont want to use wireless
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[22:54] <mlelstv> why not?
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[22:54] <mlelstv> bluetooth isn't actually wired either :)
[22:54] <sockofleas> im using the pi for a science project and it may not be in range of a wifi router
[22:54] <sockofleas> im currently using it with my wifi router, i want a different method
[22:55] <mlelstv> if anything is possible, we need to find an app that can act as a remote display. A VNC app would be ideal of course.
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[22:56] <mlelstv> I can imagine you find something for a modern iphone, but I'm not sure if such a thing exists for the old ipod. Especially when it runs old iOS.
[22:56] <sockofleas> another problem is that there are probably not many apps that still support the ipod
[22:56] <sockofleas> yeah
[22:56] <mlelstv> http://www.extremetech.com/computing/138762-how-to-use-your-ios-device-as-your-pc-second-display
[22:56] <mlelstv> this could be something
[22:57] <mlelstv> there is a Mocha VNC Lite app for iOS
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[22:57] <sockofleas> i recall seeing that app once
[22:57] <mlelstv> Requires iOS 8.0 or later
[22:57] <sockofleas> oof
[22:58] <sockofleas> lol
[22:58] <sockofleas> my i4 runs 4.2 i think
[22:58] <sockofleas> or maybe 5, idk
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[22:58] <mlelstv> now that's where the difficult part begins
[22:58] <sockofleas> im booting it up now
[22:58] <sockofleas> true
[22:59] <mlelstv> Requires iOS 5.1 or later. Compatible with iPhone, iPad, and iPod touch.
[22:59] <mlelstv> That's the app "iTeleport"
[22:59] <sockofleas> suppose i can get the vnc app. how do i connect it with the pi?
[22:59] <sockofleas> okay ill try that
[22:59] <mlelstv> $4.99 in the app store it says
[23:00] <mlelstv> now we have to find out what network your iOS supports
[23:00] <mlelstv> maybe it is just wifi.
[23:00] <sockofleas> its still turning on
[23:00] <mlelstv> but maybe it support ad-hoc networks without a router
[23:00] <sockofleas> iirc, the home button is only a little functional and the power button is completely dead
[23:01] <waveform> vikaton, if you're interested in PWM I'd recommend having a look at RPIO's implementation too - it uses the DMA controller to handle deal with it and the results are impressively stable (also means you effectively get hardware PWM to any GPIO pin)
[23:01] <Berg> is there a raspberry pi 2 emulator
[23:01] <Berg> for linux
[23:01] <waveform> vikaton, I'll dig out a link ...
[23:01] <sockofleas> Berg: raspberry pi runs linux
[23:02] <Berg> yes but as linux box dont run a raspbery pi os
[23:02] <waveform> vikaton, https://github.com/metachris/RPIO/tree/master/source/c_pwm - I should warn the lib is a bit out of date (not compatible with Pi2 for example), but still well worth a look
[23:02] <Berg> i want to test gpio pins
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[23:02] <mlelstv> modern iPhones support Bluetooth PAN. No idea about your device.
[23:02] <sir_galahad_ad> test them how Berg ?
[23:02] <mlelstv> otherwise search for Wifi adHoc networking
[23:03] <vikaton> waveform: I think ive been using the wrong term
[23:03] <sockofleas> i have an iphone 5 that we could use, although it would be more inconvenient, but if it'll work then im down for it
[23:03] <vikaton> I want to port softPwm from WiringPi in another language
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[23:03] <vikaton> not Hardware PWM I believe
[23:03] <Berg> i ha ve a raspberry pi running python to control gpio pins rpi.gpio need a emultalor on a stock linux box to to est my code
[23:04] <waveform> vikaton, ah no worries - just browsing the history for interesting stuff before I head off for the night :)
[23:04] <gordonDrogon> vikaton, can rust call C code?
[23:04] <sockofleas> Berg: ssh into the pi
[23:04] <mlelstv> a less transparent display is of course just the web browser on the iPhone.
[23:04] <Berg> my friend want to simulate a pi on his linux box
[23:04] <vikaton> gordonDrogon: My library atm is in pure rust, I would rather port it than bind it: https://github.com/Vikaton/cylus
[23:05] <gordonDrogon> if rust is interpreted, then any soft pwm is not going to be fast enough.
[23:05] <vikaton> Its not, its compiled
[23:05] <sockofleas> mlelstv: i can use safari for ssh?
[23:05] <vikaton> its as low level as C
[23:05] <sockofleas> mlelstv: i can use safari for ssh?
[23:05] <sockofleas> oops didnt mean to resend that
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[23:06] <mlelstv> you can even use safari for ssh by running a ssh java applet.
[23:06] <waveform> rust is one of those languages I've been meaning to look into for a while (compiled yet impressively high level)
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[23:06] <waveform> unfortunately no time at the mo, but it's near the top of the "interesting stuff" list currently
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[23:06] <vikaton> waveform: well there is crystal-lang.org which is basically compiled Ruby
[23:06] <sockofleas> we're still talking about the iphone right
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[23:07] <mlelstv> yes
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[23:07] <sockofleas> honestly im not sure this thing will ever turn on
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[23:07] <sockofleas> to be fair, i havent used it in over a year
[23:07] <mlelstv> I don't have an iDevices. So I don't know for sure if it really works, but it works on other Java browsers, e.g. android.
[23:08] <sockofleas> so the battery might be super depleted, but i dont recall it ever taking so long to boot
[23:08] <vikaton> sockofleas: you want to ssh from your iDevice?
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[23:08] <mlelstv> but for just ssh a simple ssh applet is probably easier to use
[23:08] <mlelstv> ssh app
[23:08] <sockofleas> vikaton: i want to use my iphone/ipod as a display for the pi
[23:09] <vikaton> sockofleas: you mean like using the GUI on the iPod?
[23:09] <mlelstv> the web browser has the charme that the rpi just needs to run a web server.
[23:09] <waveform> hmm ... ruby's addiction to monkey-patching always made me rather wary. Besides, if it's compiled dynamic languages you want there's always PyPy's JIT. Rust (from what little I've read) felt like a nice compromise between the high level stuff I love these days (python et al) and the low level stuff I used to hack on (largely object pascal and C)
[23:10] <vikaton> waveform: Crystal is statically typed
[23:10] <vikaton> heh
[23:11] <vikaton> waveform: well if you're doing anything with Rust and GPIO pins, check out my lib :)
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[23:13] <waveform> I certainly will! Sadly I suspect it'll be a year before I have the free-time to learn another language, but I'll definitely take a look if/when I get the chance!
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[23:14] <gordonDrogon> vikaton, well if it can handle threads then you can do a softPwm implementation in it.
[23:14] <waveform> oh, if you want a high level look at a GPIO implementation, you might want to take a look at the pins PR in gpiozero too: https://github.com/RPi-Distro/python-gpiozero/pull/141
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[23:14] <waveform> (no PWM but other than that it's a pure Python implementation that talks to GPIO via mmap and potentially sysfs in future so it's probably fairly easy to understand)
[23:15] <waveform> (or at least, that's what's in native.py in the PR)
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[23:15] <gordonDrogon> one of these days I'll code in some dma/pwm into wiringPi.
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[23:15] <sockofleas> its turning on
[23:16] <vikaton> gordonDrogon: I have a basic GPIO input/output in my lib, the only thing Im really confused about is the multi-threading, like this https://github.com/WiringPi/WiringPi/blob/master/wiringPi/softPwm.c#L61
[23:16] <waveform> gordonDrogon, I had a play with RPIO's implementation on an old Pi1 recently - impressively stable timing. Unfortunately at the moment the DMA controller is root-only stuff and there's no way I'd sacrifice the rootless access we've now got for GPIO
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[23:17] <sockofleas> mlelstv: if it helps, im jailbroken on this device
[23:17] <waveform> (in other words, when I get the time I need to dig into how /dev/gpiomem was implemented and see if I can come up with something similar for the DMA controller)
[23:17] <gordonDrogon> vikaton, again, wiringPi is not hosted on github. That's someone elses fork.
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[23:17] <gordonDrogon> waveform, /dev/gpiomem doesn't allow some stuff yet though - maybe one day.
[23:18] <mlelstv> sockofleas, check the network possibilities next. Can you do Bluetooth PAN or Wifi AdHoc with your iPod/iPhone
[23:18] <waveform> indeed - AFAICT it's just the GPIO block of memory which is mapped so it excludes the PWM controller, the DMA controller, etc etc
[23:18] <mlelstv> Most Wifi adapters for RPI support AdHoc networking.
[23:19] <vikaton> gordonDrogon: sorry, went afk when you sent the link
[23:19] <gordonDrogon> waveform, I know - found out the hard way )-:
[23:19] <sockofleas> idk what bluetooth pan is
[23:19] <sockofleas> im on ios 6.1.2
[23:19] <gordonDrogon> vikaton, https://git.drogon.net/
[23:19] <mlelstv> PAN == personal area network.
[23:19] <vikaton> gordonDrogon: https://git.drogon.net/?p=wiringPi;a=blob;f=wiringPi/softPwm.c;h=98b408f551517a54c63dc2138eb532df8ee8d688;hb=HEAD#l66 thats the part where is sort of confusing
[23:19] <mlelstv> I haven't used that at all, just know it exists and could be used :)
[23:19] <gordonDrogon> the version on github is somewhat old now - it was used by gadgetoid to do the python/ruby/etc. bindings for wiringPi.
[23:20] <sockofleas> i think i can enable personal hotspot with a cydia package
[23:20] <ali1234> waveform: a memory window onto the DMA would give you access to all memory, so you might as well just use /dev/mem
[23:20] <vikaton> gordonDrogon: softPwm is my goal now
[23:20] <gordonDrogon> vikaton, ok - what part is confusing?
[23:20] <mlelstv> ali, you could write a real driver.
[23:21] <waveform> ali1234, sure - indirectly. Then again, you can accomplish nasty stuff with direct access to the GPIO block too. The main issue is that requiring root for GPIO access makes teaching GPIO to newbies and teachers (something I've done at picademy several times now) *much* harder than it needs to be
[23:21] <vikaton> gordonDrogon: what is the type/value of softPwmThread
[23:22] <gordonDrogon> vikaton, softPwmThread is the name of the function.
[23:22] <ali1234> waveform: what can you do with the gpio block?
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[23:22] <vikaton> gordonDrogon: on line 66 ?
[23:22] <waveform> ali1234, rootless GPIO and gpiozero came along at more or less the same time but the combination cut the teaching time of the GPIO session in half (I'm not sure exactly which led to the greater gain, but the combination was impressive)
[23:23] <gordonDrogon> vikaton, #define PI_THREAD(X) void *X (void *dummy)
[23:23] <Berg> can a linux box emulate a rpi?
[23:23] <ali1234> Berg: no
[23:23] <Berg> ok thanks
[23:23] <gordonDrogon> Berg, yes - look for qemu solutions.
[23:24] <ali1234> qemu cannot emulate the videocore GPU
[23:24] <gordonDrogon> Berg, obviously not the gpu part, but the ARM works fine.
[23:24] <Berg> ok thanks
[23:24] <Berg> sorta talking over this with friend thanks
[23:25] <waveform> ali1234, hence why I'm loathe to give up rootless - it's just too useful in teaching. Unfortunately that means if we want hardware PWM over GPIO we need rootless access to the DMA controller
[23:25] <ali1234> waveform: so set the permission o+rw on /dev/mem
[23:25] <ali1234> job done.
[23:25] <waveform> (you could well argue at that point you may as well just give group/world write access to /dev/mem but I'd prefer an ever so slightly less sledgehammery approach)
[23:25] <waveform> (as was done with /dev/gpiomem)
[23:26] <vikaton> gordonDrogon: so line 66 is really static void *softPwmCreate(void *dummy) ?
[23:26] <vikaton> sorry I hate C macros :/
[23:26] <gordonDrogon> An early project I started was to write a device driver for the Pi that had access to the GPIO in a controlled manner, but the few people I talked to about it resulted in a lot of "hand wringing" at the time - so I just carried on with wiringPi as it was. Wished I'd carried on with the other way now, but hey ho ...
[23:26] <ali1234> the whole point of gpiomem is to prevent you from having to give up protection on all memory
[23:26] <gordonDrogon> vikaton, yes.
[23:26] <vikaton> ok
[23:26] <ali1234> giving access to DMA means giving access to all memory
[23:26] <gordonDrogon> vikaton, it's just a function with no parameters - it's called as a thread.
[23:27] <sockofleas> yo mlelstv i think this will actually work
[23:27] <gordonDrogon> ali1234, and gpu stuff too..
[23:27] <sockofleas> i can enable tethering through cydia
[23:27] <vikaton> Okay, fair enough
[23:27] <mlelstv> sockofleas, sounds promising
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[23:27] <gordonDrogon> vikaton, look in the softPwmCreate function.
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[23:27] <ali1234> personally i only have one user on my pi, and it's root
[23:28] <waveform> ali1234, yup (although, depending on the circuit attached to the pins you can still do theoretically nasty things with /dev/gpiomem) but it's still indirect - you can't just read the contents of RAM straight out of the DMA controller block - you'd need to get it to copy the bits you want first
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[23:28] <waveform> (and likewise for overwriting stuff)
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[23:28] <ali1234> well you have to assume that if you give someone access to the DMA they probably know how to use it
[23:28] <gordonDrogon> I'm a bit of a traditionalist - I login & use my pi as 'gordon' and only use root when needed...
[23:29] <gordonDrogon> it's just as easy to stop your Pi with gpio access - no need to dma - even on an old Pi 1 - on the old ones you can short a GPIO pin to 0v if you know what you're doing ...
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[23:29] <mlelstv> ali, guess what this does:
[23:29] <mlelstv> gpioctl gpio0 18 set user alt5 pwm0
[23:29] <gordonDrogon> (that is short it to 0v without plugging anything in...)
[23:30] <ali1234> if you have physical access you can just smash it with a hammer
[23:30] <mlelstv> sysctl -w machdep.unicornhat=0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000201000702000702000a03000a03000
[23:30] <mlelstv> 401000000000000000000000a03010c03000802000100000000000000000501000301000101010101010202020101010202020101010501000
[23:30] <mlelstv> 903000903000402020303030303030202020202020000000000000000000101010000000000000000000000000000000000000000000101010
[23:30] <mlelstv> 10101000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000
[23:30] <mlelstv> gpioctl gpio0 18 set user in pwm0
[23:30] <vikaton> mlelstv: please use some sort of pastebin for more than 3 lines
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[23:30] <mlelstv> sorry, was just 3 lines
[23:31] <mlelstv> one a bit long
[23:31] <waveform> indeed - hence why it's traditionally restricted to root (and rightly so). However, GPIO's a major teaching tool and hardware PWM is awfully useful (for the stability alone - you can literally see the instability of software PWM with a LED) so I'd love to implement it in a rootless fashion for gpiozero (again ... when I ever get the time :)
[23:31] <ali1234> mlelstv: it reprograms gpio18 to PWM mode to drive the horrible LEDs on the unicorn hat
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[23:31] <mlelstv> as horrible as all neopixels :)
[23:31] <ali1234> yes, they are all horrible
[23:32] <ali1234> with their horrible timing-based protocol
[23:32] <mlelstv> with a diffuser
[23:32] <mlelstv> without
[23:32] <t3chguy> ali1234: horrible, but beautiful
[23:32] <ali1234> could almost certainly drive them with SPI by the way
[23:32] <mlelstv> it's just asynchronous serial
[23:32] <ali1234> thus not having to use PWM
[23:32] <t3chguy> ali1234: you seen the 3W Pixie (neopixel replacement)?
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[23:33] <t3chguy> it runs over 115200 UART
[23:33] <mlelstv> it's not really PWM either
[23:33] <t3chguy> which is a lot easier to drive
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[23:33] <ali1234> exactly, which is why you could just use SPI instead
[23:33] <ali1234> t3chguy: would prefer an actual SPI or I2C interface
[23:33] <sockofleas> mlelstv: this could take a while, i have to update a lot of dependencies
[23:33] <t3chguy> ali1234: too many pins
[23:33] <t3chguy> it only uses the Tx, so still only 3 pins
[23:33] <ali1234> two pins is too many pins?
[23:34] <t3chguy> Well once you go to I2C, it'd be weird having it chaining
[23:34] <t3chguy> you'd likely just have each one on its own address
[23:34] <t3chguy> and then you'd be very limited as to how many you can have
[23:34] <waveform> anyway, my apologies for dashing mid-conversation - it's been fascinating - sadly, I must get some sleep!
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[23:34] <ali1234> nah, i'd just put an I2C to SPI converter on the first one
[23:34] <t3chguy> then you'd need a special "first "one
[23:34] <t3chguy> which isn't ideal
[23:35] <t3chguy> as a neopixel strip can be cut at any point
[23:35] <t3chguy> and the new bit can be used on its own
[23:35] <ali1234> yeah. might as well just put an AVR in between I2C and a neopixel
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[23:35] <t3chguy> Pixie has a PIC sat behind it I believe
[23:35] <t3chguy> for the two UARTs and the actual control of the RGB LED
[23:36] <mlelstv> ali, anyway, the point was that it is PWM using DMA and nobody needs to know how to use it.
[23:36] <t3chguy> actually I guess 1 UART
[23:36] <t3chguy> as it only needs one Rx pin for Din, one Tx pin for Dout
[23:36] <t3chguy> https://shop.pimoroni.com/products/pixie-3w-chainable-smart-led-pixel
[23:36] <ali1234> two half UARTs then
[23:37] <t3chguy> probably one physical UART on the PIC though
[23:37] <ali1234> oh they put a PIC on *every* LED?
[23:37] <t3chguy> yeah
[23:37] <ali1234> derp.
[23:37] <t3chguy> well they are pricy
[23:37] <t3chguy> and 3W each
[23:37] <ali1234> yeah no wonder
[23:37] <ali1234> why does everyone do everything wrong???
[23:38] <t3chguy> lol
[23:38] <sockofleas> mlelstv: holy shit!
[23:38] <sockofleas> theres wifi, usb, AND bluetooth tethering!
[23:39] <mlelstv> for the iphone or the ipod ?
[23:39] <ali1234> mlelstv: sure, you can write a proper driver, that's fine. but giving a window onto the DMA in the manner of gpiomem is pointless because it is no different than giving the user /dev/mem
[23:39] <sockofleas> iphone 4
[23:39] <mlelstv> ali, so write a proper driver :)
[23:39] <sockofleas> my normal phone is the iphone 5
[23:39] <ali1234> i don't need PWM
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[23:41] <ali1234> i'm also happy to give myself full root access
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[23:42] <sockofleas> mlelstv: so now that i have this, now what
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[23:43] <mlelstv> ali, whatever you like best of course. But running as non-root still has its advantages.
[23:43] <ali1234> it has precisely zero advantages if your user has access to a hypothetical /dev/dmamem...
[23:43] <mlelstv> sockofleas, what networking does the rpi have?
[23:44] <ali1234> and that's the entire crux of my argument :)
[23:45] <mlelstv> that's why /dev/dmamem is as bad as running as root. :)
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[23:46] <sockofleas> nothing at the moment
[23:46] <ali1234> yes, or specifically as a user with access to /dev/mem
[23:47] <sockofleas> in the package that i got on the iphone, theres an option called AP mode and i can set it to "infrastructure" or "ad-hoc"
[23:47] <sockofleas> it recommends infra
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[23:47] <mlelstv> so the rpi first needs network access. I think wifi is easier to use (and I don't even know if raspbian supports bluetooth).
[23:48] <vikaton> gordonDrogon: Ill take a dab at it tomorrow, got school work to do :/
[23:48] <ali1234> it does, of course... no idea if there is a gui though
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[23:50] <gordonDrogon> ali1234, it's possible to write a driver that does the dma noodling while not allowing direct access from userland.
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[23:50] <gordonDrogon> so the user just pokes the driver: give me pwm on pin X and the driver does it.
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[23:50] <ali1234> gordonDrogon: yes, yes, we know. that's not what waveform asked for
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[23:51] <gordonDrogon> that was my original plan for wiringPi....
[23:51] <ali1234> i mean linux has something similar to that for gpio already
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[23:51] <ali1234> https://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/gpio/sysfs.txt
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[23:52] <gordonDrogon> however right now my plan is to go to bed... laterz!
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[23:52] <vikaton> night
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[23:53] <ali1234> also https://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/gpio/drivers-on-gpio.txt
[23:53] <t3chguy> lol nice timing with the netsplit apparently
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[23:55] <GreeningGalaxy> can someone help me figure out how to have my pi automatically mount whatever USB flash drive is plugged into it to a specific directory?
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[23:55] <ali1234> GreeningGalaxy: for what purpose?
[23:55] <GreeningGalaxy> all the tutorials I can find say to use fstab, which seems to me like it will only work on boot
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[23:55] <ali1234> correct
[23:56] <Encrypt> Not only on boot
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[23:56] <[Saint]> Does anyone here have 4.4.y running on Rpi B2?
[23:56] <GreeningGalaxy> I want to be able to plug in arbitrary drives full of music and such and have them automatically mount to /home/pi/External without my having to manually do it
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[23:56] <Encrypt> You can specify there where to mount a drive once it's plugged in
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[23:56] <[Saint]> (B2, not Pi 2 Model B)
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[23:56] <GreeningGalaxy> presumably just having it run sudo mount /dev/sda1 /home/pi/External whenever something gets plugged in will do the trick, but I don't know how to execute commands when something gets plugged in
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[23:57] <ali1234> GreeningGalaxy: is the system headless?
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[23:57] <ali1234> GreeningGalaxy: most desktops include a daemon which does this for you
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[23:58] <GreeningGalaxy> yeah. although I suppose if it's too much of a bother to automount, having ssh in and execute an alias isn't too big a deal.
[23:58] <ali1234> without a desktop, you probably just want to write some udev rules
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[23:58] <GreeningGalaxy> aha, udev rules
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[23:58] <ali1234> top result on google: http://www.axllent.org/docs/view/auto-mounting-usb-storage/
[23:59] <GreeningGalaxy> alright, cool

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