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IRC Log for 2016-01-18

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[0:07] <Abolfazl> Quick question.. I just soldered 2x20 header onto my Pi Zero. How do I know the orientation of the pins
[0:07] <Abolfazl> i.e. is square pin 3.3V?
[0:07] <ali1234> seriously?
[0:08] <Abolfazl> :(
[0:08] <ali1234> hold on, let me get a picture
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[0:10] <ali1234> yes, the square pin is 3.3v if that helps
[0:10] <Abolfazl> Okay thank you.
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[0:15] <sockofleas> mlelstv: im gonna drop $8 on a wifi dongle
[0:15] <sockofleas> http://www.amazon.com/Kootek-Raspberry-Wifi-Dongle-Adapter/dp/B00FWMEFES/ref=pd_cp_147_2?ie=UTF8&refRID=1CZGEAA1H4VM4NN4JZVS
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[0:16] <t3chguy> is the official dongle not cheaper than that o_O?
[0:16] <sockofleas> theres an official one?
[0:17] <t3chguy> sockofleas: https://shop.pimoroni.com/products/official-raspberry-pi-wifi-dongle
[0:17] <sockofleas> thats $8.55
[0:17] <sockofleas> and im not british
[0:18] <t3chguy> can't take exchange rates literally
[0:18] <ali1234> the official dongle is £6, about $9
[0:18] <t3chguy> we pay £4 for the Zero, yet US only pay $5
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[0:18] <sockofleas> what are u talking about dude
[0:18] <t3chguy> thats a delta of $0.70
[0:19] <t3chguy> I'm saying that an exchange rate doesn't dictate sale price in various countries
[0:19] <sockofleas> i might save 5 cents, big deal
[0:19] <ali1234> also the official dongle is not without problems
[0:19] <sockofleas> the official dongle is also way bigger than the one im going to buy
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[0:20] <mlelstv> $5 for a rpi0 ? ha!
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[0:25] <cambazz> hello, i just destroyed 2 of my raspi camera lenses, but just the ccd part. the boards are ok. is there any place on web where i can buy just the ccd part with the sunny connector?
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[0:27] <mlelstv> would suprise me, and if, it is probably more expensive than the complete camera.
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[0:27] <t3chguy> mlelstv: why "ha!"?
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[0:28] <mlelstv> here I can order a RPI0 for EUR13 whereas a RPIA+ is EUR15.
[0:28] <t3chguy> oh god
[0:28] <t3chguy> where's that
[0:28] <mlelstv> Germany
[0:28] <t3chguy> ah
[0:28] <t3chguy> in the UK, Zero is £4, A+ is £16
[0:28] <cambazz> how much is rpi2 and where can i get it for cheapest?
[0:29] <t3chguy> cambazz: what country?
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[0:29] <cambazz> i want to order from internet, i live in turkey. but here it is much more expensive on the local market
[0:29] <t3chguy> cambazz: http://www.gearbest.com/development-boards/pp_156163.html
[0:30] * cambazz irc'ing from my rasppi
[0:30] <pksato> cambazz: more easy to buy complet module. But, that part is damaged, only lens or sensor chip too?
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[0:31] <cambazz> pksato: i got damaged lens and sensor chip holder
[0:32] <pksato> that you doing?
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[0:32] <cambazz> trying to replace lenses from one cam to another. the other source cam has fried ccd chip.
[0:33] <cambazz> i guess one of the ccd chip is still in good shape, but the screw part is screwed.
[0:33] <ali1234> seems like you can buy clone cams from china now
[0:33] <CoJaBo> Observation: MicroSD cards are easy to lose.
[0:33] <ali1234> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Infrared-Night-Vision-Surveillance-Camera-Board-IR-5MP-For-Raspberry-Pi-Mode-A-B-/271909308930?hash=item3f4f0eca02:g:ifgAAOSw9mFWH7yV
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[0:34] <ali1234> CoJaBo: these are good http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Silver-Aluminum-Memory-Card-Storage-Case-Box-Holders-For-Micro-SD-Card-24TF-/262003682842?hash=item3d00a2ee1a:g:BXAAAOSwMmBVzHhK
[0:34] <t3chguy> ali1234: I have one of those exact ones xD
[0:34] <CoJaBo> Not if you drop the card while taking it out :;/
[0:35] <t3chguy> definitely feels thin and flimsy
[0:35] <ali1234> as long as you don't sit on it i'm sre it will be fine
[0:35] <t3chguy> sure
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[0:36] <CoJaBo> lol
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[0:40] <PReDiToR> Hi. Does anyone have any info on when the next round of Zeros will be available, please?
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[0:41] <Berg> gordonDrogon: i got my python code running
[0:41] <Berg> i know you wanted me to advance my c skills but my brain was excited gordonDrogon
[0:41] * Berg snickers
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[0:44] <sockofleas> mlelstv: this will work even if there is no wifi in the area right?
[0:44] <sockofleas> i found a free vnc viewer for ios 6
[0:45] <mlelstv> you have two methods, one is to use an ad-hoc network. This does not require a router at all. The other is to make the RPI a router and access point.
[0:45] <Berg> http://pastebin.com/RH3VWswA
[0:47] <sockofleas> in the package that i got on the iphone, theres an option called AP mode and i can set it to "infrastructure" or "ad-hoc"
[0:47] <mlelstv> that indicates that you can use either option
[0:48] <sockofleas> also, will this dongle work: http://www.amazon.com/Kootek-Raspberry-Wifi-Dongle-Adapter/dp/B00FWMEFES/ref=pd_cp_147_2?ie=UTF8&refRID=1CZGEAA1H4VM4NN4JZVS
[0:48] <sockofleas> which mode would i have to use with that?
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[0:49] <sir_galahad_ad> o/
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[0:51] <mlelstv> I think it will work and you can use either mode with it
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[0:52] <sockofleas> alright
[0:52] <sockofleas> im counting on you :D
[0:52] <mlelstv> ha
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[0:55] <mlelstv> I use a Edimax 7811Un, and there I know that it supports ad-hoc mode
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[0:59] <sockofleas> okay cool
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[1:12] <sir_galahad_ad> mlelstv: no sleep
[1:12] <sir_galahad_ad> til
[1:12] <sir_galahad_ad> brooklyn
[1:12] <mlelstv> what is brooklyn? :)
[1:12] <GreeningGalaxy> anyone know of a good USB battery pack that's small enough to fit in the footprint of a pi?
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[1:13] <GreeningGalaxy> I'm looking for something that I can just strap onto the top or bottom of my pibow and use as a means of running the pi without it having to be connected to the wall
[1:13] <mlelstv> look for some power bank
[1:17] <GreeningGalaxy> my dad got an interesting (and rather large) one with a solar panel lately, and I've been wondering how long it would be able to run a pi after a day of direct sun
[1:17] <GreeningGalaxy> the panel is rated at 1W, but I'm taking that with a grain of salt since it's from some suspicious manufacturer that obviously used google translate for everything on the packaging
[1:18] <mlelstv> that would probably be 1W in direct sunlight
[1:18] <GreeningGalaxy> well yeah
[1:19] <GreeningGalaxy> and given the size of the panel, that would probably only need to be ~10% efficient to get that, so it's plausible
[1:19] <mlelstv> the RPI alone takes about 2.5W
[1:19] <GreeningGalaxy> I was just reading a thing today where somebody measured his model B at ~2.0W with wifi adapter running
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[1:20] <GreeningGalaxy> B+ is evidently significantly better in that regard
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[1:23] <mlelstv> anyway, sleep time...
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[1:26] <SpeedEvil> GreeningGalaxy: not much better
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[1:27] <SpeedEvil> GreeningGalaxy: As context, to run a 2.5W pi here in scotland, now, would need about a 250W panel, and a 100Ah battery.
[1:27] <SpeedEvil> With clouds, and the short days.
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[1:32] <GreeningGalaxy> SpeedEvil: oh, I wasn't hoping to run it continuously
[1:32] <GreeningGalaxy> I was thinking something like timelapse photography or something where it would only be online for a few minutes each day
[1:33] <GreeningGalaxy> and then have some janky setup to work as a light timer, like the hour hand of a small clock wrapped in foil. and moving across a wire
[1:35] <SpeedEvil> GreeningGalaxy: that is more plausible
[1:36] <SpeedEvil> It is possible - moderately easily to switch the Pi off in software with external hardware
[1:36] <GreeningGalaxy> yeah, with that MoPi thing
[1:36] <ali1234> you should use an A+ for this
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[1:36] <GreeningGalaxy> I saw something that used an arduino as a light timer, but that seems still a bit over for power
[1:37] <ali1234> it is the lowest power while still having the camera port
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[1:37] <GreeningGalaxy> yeah, that makes sense
[1:37] <ali1234> and it will use about 1.5W with camera and wifi
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[1:39] <GreeningGalaxy> I probably wouldn't actually need wifi for that project, I was thinking more generally when I mentioned that
[1:39] <ali1234> even better, it will use less power
[1:41] <GreeningGalaxy> huh, the A+ still has a DSI connector
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[1:41] <GreeningGalaxy> is that useful for anything at all yet?
[1:42] <ali1234> yes the screen
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[1:42] <GreeningGalaxy> what screen
[1:42] <GreeningGalaxy> I thought the pitft used the GPIO
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[1:44] <GreeningGalaxy> every time I've looked to see if I can find a DSI display for the pi I've come up with threads that explain why there isn't one, so I'm kinda wondering why the port is there at all
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[1:45] <sir_galahad_ad> is that the port that's labeled 'display'?
[1:45] <mattwj2002> hey guys
[1:45] <ali1234> you shouldn't listen to the forums, they don't know anything :/
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[1:46] <GreeningGalaxy> neeeevermind, I just found the release announcement
[1:46] <mattwj2002> I am using a rpi2 distro called openelec a rpi2 frontend for mythtv
[1:46] <mattwj2002> :)
[1:47] <sir_galahad_ad> are there man pages for wiringPi?
[1:48] <mattwj2002> my distro is missing a man page
[1:48] <mattwj2002> man woman ... no entry found ;(
[1:49] <GreeningGalaxy> ...can you really just hook up 5 volts to the GPIO and power the pi from there?
[1:49] <[Saint]> absolutely.
[1:49] <GreeningGalaxy> okay, nice. I might be able to fit a battery fully inside my pibow after all :)
[1:50] <mattwj2002> GreeningGalaxy: you could get a cell phone battery boost and probably power the pi for a while on that
[1:50] <mattwj2002> it has usb too!
[1:50] <mattwj2002> a simple cable you should be good to go
[1:50] <GreeningGalaxy> yeah, I'm thinking of getting the tiniest cell phone battery pack I can find, taking it apart to get the bulky casing and USB connector out of the way, and then just hooking up the regulated USB power output to the GPIO
[1:51] <GreeningGalaxy> might have to hack down some walls inside the case, but that's probably ok
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[1:51] <mattwj2002> be careful GreeningGalaxy
[1:51] <GreeningGalaxy> yeah i know
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[1:52] <mattwj2002> lithium ion batteries are unstable under certain conditions
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[1:52] <Jonno_FTW> is there an accessory I can get that will detect GSM signals?
[1:52] <GreeningGalaxy> I know that, I'll be careful.
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[1:53] <GreeningGalaxy> Jonno_FTW: uh, there's a whole cell phone board you can get, isn't there?
[1:53] <GreeningGalaxy> piphone or whatever
[1:53] <Jonno_FTW> well I just want to pick up the radio signals
[1:53] <Jonno_FTW> not actually connect to the cell network
[1:53] <GreeningGalaxy> hmm
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[1:53] <GreeningGalaxy> theoretically that would have the hardware you need. IDK if there's something that doesn't have what you don't need.
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[1:57] <Jonno_FTW> would this do it? http://www.seeedstudio.com/depot/gprs-shield-v20-p-1379.html?cPath=132_134
[1:57] <cambazz> i am making a habit of doing my daily chores on raspi2. my other computer is a cray.
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[2:18] <Tenkawa> hi all
[2:18] <ShorTie> Good Morning
[2:18] <Tenkawa> whats new?
[2:19] <ShorTie> got my Arduino_IDE script workin .. :)~
[2:19] <Tenkawa> cool :)
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[2:23] <Tenkawa> ShorTie: I tell you.. really liking this pi zero so far
[2:23] <Tenkawa> if it was a armv7 oh wow
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[2:23] <ShorTie> Cool
[2:25] <Tenkawa> yeah even being armv6 is still good enough for what I want to do
[2:25] <Tenkawa> a lot of fun either way
[2:26] <Berg> i want a pi zero send me your old ones i will give them a good home
[2:26] <Tenkawa> Berg: what old ones??
[2:26] <Tenkawa> haahaa
[2:26] <Berg> none are getting shipped here yet not stock for down under
[2:26] <Tenkawa> bummer
[2:26] <Berg> its ok normal for 3rd worlkd australia
[2:26] <Tenkawa> australia/new zealand?
[2:26] <Tenkawa> heh
[2:27] <Berg> dont know about NZ
[2:27] <Tenkawa> middle usa here and it still took a lot to get one here
[2:27] <Tenkawa> and was limited to 1
[2:27] <Tenkawa> when I can get more i will be
[2:27] <Berg> sending them to me?
[2:28] <Tenkawa> umm no
[2:28] <Tenkawa> heehee
[2:28] <Berg> i cant hear you
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[2:32] <Tenkawa> hmm.. wonder if usb to sata would hold up ok on a pi zero
[2:32] <Tenkawa> (using a microsd boot fs of course)
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[2:33] <Berg> more power?
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[2:33] <Berg> what power does a zero require?
[2:34] <ShorTie> i'd guess about a 1/2 amp with full cpu usage
[2:35] <Berg> not much then
[2:35] <Tenkawa> I'm using 2.1amp power supplies so i imagine it would work fine
[2:36] <exonormal> about 500 mA
[2:36] <Berg> yeah i thin k your right if it only uses .5am
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[2:36] <Berg> i saw pizero on ebay going for 50bucks
[2:37] <Berg> sounds like greed has eroded the concept of low cost PC
[2:38] <exonormal> yes, real idiots
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[2:44] <ali1234> zero uses about 150mA according to some people
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[2:52] <cambazz> oh, I have an important question: there are these banana pi, orange pi, and banana m2 boards, which seem a little bit more powerful and have integrated features, will those run raspbian?
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[2:53] <ShorTie> nop
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[2:53] <cambazz> I am developing on my pi, like basic c programs, etc. so I just got me a pi2
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[2:53] <cambazz> but the banana m2 seems very nice, with sata connector, and integrated wifi. but i understand this is a different arch?
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[3:00] <Tenkawa> Any of you had good luck with any specific emmc modules?
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[3:18] <exonormal> why emmc?
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[3:31] <popnfloss> anyone here
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[3:34] <exonormal> no
[3:34] <exonormal> just ppl
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[3:41] <sir_galahad_ad> just us free range chickens
[3:44] <merrick`> here i am paying for my range chickens like an idiot..
[3:45] <exonormal> yeh I buy them dead at the grocery store.
[3:46] <ozzzy> I only buy free range potatos
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[3:48] <sir_galahad_ad> ozzzy: you could buy sour cream, or at least some butter to go with 'em
[3:48] <exonormal> oh yeh, I buy them dead at grocery store too...
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[3:49] <merrick`> dead potatos are the best potatos.
[3:50] <sir_galahad_ad> it's pretty rare to find a dead on
[3:50] <sir_galahad_ad> one
[3:50] <sir_galahad_ad> french fries i guess
[3:50] <merrick`> I guess dying potatos is more accurate.
[3:52] <exonormal> lol
[3:53] <sir_galahad_ad> how many potatoes do i need to power a pi?
[3:53] <merrick`> I'm surprised that hasn't been figured out yet.
[3:54] <exonormal> about 20
[3:54] <merrick`> i remmeber powering a light bulb or something in grade school, but i forget exactly how. only that it involved saltwater iirc.
[3:54] <Viper168> potatoes in stores are more sleeping thandying
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[3:54] <Viper168> unless starting to getold and wrinkly
[3:54] <merrick`> sleeping through a long death maybe.
[3:54] <merrick`> they're just further from dying..
[3:54] <Viper168> it is part of their normal function
[3:55] <Viper168> they would be doing the same in the ground
[3:55] <sir_galahad_ad> 'but with strange aeons even death may die'
[3:55] <merrick`> dying is part of normal function for everything though..unless it's never alive.
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[3:55] <merrick`> how you gonna revive a potato?!
[3:56] <Viper168> yes but the state hasn't become unhealthy to where death is abnormally accelerated ye
[3:56] <Viper168> t
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[3:56] <Viper168> until it does start to get old
[3:56] <merrick`> i'm bout to accelerate that potato death rate son...SMASH SMASH SMASH
[3:56] <OS-19702> Qt vs pygame if im looking to display some kind of weather interface on a tv
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[4:00] <Berg> yucky qt
[4:01] <Berg> why not use html5 and run a web service
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[4:02] <Berg> over the last little while QT has changed direction on a few thing one that realy anoyed was it no longer supports or advaqnces qtscript
[4:02] <ali1234> use QML instead
[4:02] <ali1234> it's the same thing, except better
[4:04] <Berg> this is nice https://kivy.org/#home
[4:05] <Berg> im alergic to anything qt
[4:05] <Berg> lin microsoft
[4:05] <Berg> like
[4:05] <Berg> alergy
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[4:05] <pyroxide> Qt master race
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[4:06] <Berg> nar
[4:06] <pyroxide> better than GTK
[4:08] * sir_galahad_ad kinda likes GTK+
[4:08] <pyroxide> GTK+ is rice.
[4:09] <sir_galahad_ad> loaded with life sustaining carbohydrates?
[4:09] <pyroxide> nah
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[4:20] <sir_galahad_ad> what is sys mode?
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[4:26] <admiralspark> sir_galahad_ad, where did you see sys mode?
[4:27] <sir_galahad_ad> http://wiringpi.com/reference/core-functions/ for the function pullUpDownControl()
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[4:29] <sir_galahad_ad> bah i guess it's moot now turns out my problem was that the pins i was trying to use with this button weren't quite right
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[4:33] <sir_galahad_ad> but yay i've made a button work
[4:33] <sir_galahad_ad> i'm so badass!
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[4:56] <merrick`> nice sir_galahad_ad
[4:56] <merrick`> did you use a pull up or pull down circuit?
[4:56] <sir_galahad_ad> pull down, so the pin was HIGH when the button was pressed
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[4:57] <merrick`> i did a pull up for my first button a few days ago :D nice
[4:58] <sir_galahad_ad> :)
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[5:07] <sgo11> hi, currently, two programs/apps can not access the pi camera at the same time. for example, I can not run raspivid two times. I can not run raspivid and raspistill at the same time etc.. Is that possible to overcome this? Two apps access picam at the same time? thanks.
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[5:34] <raspberrypifan> hi
[5:34] <raspberrypifan> has anyone compiled a custom kernel for the zero yet
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[5:37] <merrick`> i have not for the pi, nor have i seen or heard of one.
[5:38] <raspberrypifan> im learning about the kernl
[5:38] <raspberrypifan> and it seems difficult but straightforward
[5:38] <raspberrypifan> i would imagine a custom kernel would make it faster
[5:38] <raspberrypifan> my zero wont even run a youtube video via rdp
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[5:46] <brianx> to play youtube on a pi, download it and use omxplayer.
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[5:53] <raspberrypifan> it runs on the browser
[5:53] <raspberrypifan> just super slow
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[7:36] <AiGreek> 'Morning
[7:41] <Hitechcg> 1:41AM here
[7:41] <Roonix> Gooten morntag
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[7:56] <creazur> G'morning!
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[8:03] <Berg> jello
[8:03] <Berg> 18.03
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[8:05] <Berg> I feel like a genius my python program works on my rpi2 and it shuts down my battery chargers whe they are finnished charging im saving eletrons
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[9:33] <lilCodie> anyone know of a touch screen the same size and compatible with the pi zero? i want to set one up with bluetooth, wifi, and maybe RFID/NFC and a touch screen so it can be a controller for a door lock - which can be interfaced to with a cellphone or NFC/RFID/bluetooth keyfob/token/beacon
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[10:20] <gordonDrogon> lilCodie, the same size as a PiZero? ie. needs a huge magnifier to read ...
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[10:20] <lilCodie> gordonDrogon: itll likely just be a screen for a few numeric/letter buttons and a green/red background to show authenticaiton success/failure
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[10:21] <gordonDrogon> lilCodie, I'm looking at integrating the adafruit 5" touch display to a zero - it's a bit bigger than the zero though - it needs hdmi & usb, so needs a hub...
[10:21] <gordonDrogon> lilCodie, the adafruit 2-line lcd will be about the same size, but not touchscreen, but it does have 5 buttons on it.
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[10:22] <lilCodie> prefer something that can display anything - so the PIN could be tiny pictures/symbols/numbers/letters in the event their phone or fob is forgotten
[10:23] <lilCodie> and so they can randomize the order there in - so you cant tell what they pushed by the screen placement of the symbol
[10:23] <gordonDrogon> the scrollPhat from Pimoroni is a dispaly of sorts :)
[10:23] <gordonDrogon> no touch input though.
[10:24] <gordonDrogon> I'm sure something will come soon - some of the little 2.1" TFT LCDs will be adapted, I'm sure.
[10:26] <lilCodie> ive been looking at the adafruit pitft
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[10:35] <gordonDrogon> that's the same size as a regular Pi though...
[10:39] <lilCodie> i know :/ unfortunate but if its my only choice for a touch screen for now :s may just have to go without and do LEDs and some other stuff
[10:40] <gordonDrogon> https://shop.pimoroni.com/products/pi-zero-project-kit-w-scroll-phat
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[12:47] <h4x3> http://eltechs.com/run-teamviewer-on-raspberry-pi/
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[12:47] <h4x3> someone knows about this?
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[13:07] <burn> Hi, how can I take over my HDMI desktop with Raspbian and Mate? Tightvnc just launches a new virtual desktop...
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[13:18] <burn> Ok, I need x11vnc
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[13:21] <chesty> burn: cool. fyi in gnome the vino package mirrors your desktop over vnc.
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[13:23] <burn> chesty: yes, thx, but I'm not going to use gnome on the pi I guess :-)
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[13:27] <burn> Idd, vino isn't in mate
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[14:03] <djazz> h4x3: yeah its possible
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[14:03] <djazz> i played a windows 95 game with exagear on a rpi
[14:03] <djazz> with wine
[14:03] <djazz> teamviewer is wine too
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[14:34] <sgo11> hi, currently, two programs/apps can not access the pi camera at the same time. for example, I can not run two raspivid process at the same time. I can not run raspivid and raspistill at the same time etc.. Is that possible to overcome this? thanks.
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[14:39] <Lonefish> Don't have any experience with this but I'm afraid not
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[14:39] <Lonefish> I know for a fact that it doesn't work on a phone
[14:40] <Lonefish> Open snapchat with the camera, go back to your homescreen and then open your camera (on android tho), no exp on iOS, and it will say that the camera is being used.
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[14:45] <sgo11> Lonefish, ok. the case in a phone does explain it. I never meet such issue before in a phone. when you go back to your homescreen, I think the app actually should stop occupying the camera resource. I don't have snapchat app. let me try another app in my android phone. :)
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[14:47] <sgo11> Lonefish, I tried many apps. open the camera and then press the HOME button. and then launch another app and open the camera and so on. All apps work properly and all apps can open the camera without any problems. I can not reproduce your case in my android phone. :)
[14:47] * ozzzy needs something to collect dust so he ordered a Particle Photon board
[14:48] <chesty> is that a board made out of photon particles? like a wood particle chip board
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[14:50] <ozzzy> chesty, yep... it's actually a hologram
[14:50] <chesty> sweet, how many dimensions?
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[14:51] <ozzzy> 7
[14:51] <ozzzy> needs decent meds to figure out
[14:51] <ozzzy> https://www.sparkfun.com/products/13774
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[14:52] <chesty> i wonder if licking a cane toad will work
[14:53] <chesty> the size is called p0, is that a recognised standard size?
[14:53] <chesty> it's a similar name to the pi0
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[14:57] <DrJ> is there any way I can shrink a .img file that is just a couple hundred sectors too large for my sd card?
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[14:59] <chesty> with some work, yes. you'd have to mount it on a loop device, delete some unneeded files, then shrink the file system
[15:00] <chesty> DrJ: is this rasbian lite?
[15:00] <DrJ> its a img from a website
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[15:01] <DrJ> preconfigured to run this software I want to use
[15:01] <chesty> what os is your desktop?
[15:01] <DrJ> windows
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[15:01] <chesty> do you have linux in virtualbox or some way to run linux?
[15:01] <DrJ> yes
[15:01] <DrJ> virtualbox
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[15:02] <chesty> ok, then it's doable. you'll need to use kpartx
[15:02] <DrJ> is there a guide somewhere on that?
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[15:03] <chesty> i don't know
[15:04] <chesty> it's all doable, and there will be guides on google, but to find one guide that does exactly what you want will be a stretch.
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[15:07] <chesty> in a nutshell, the img is a hard disk image with 2 partitions, kpartx will let you access the partitions in the img, then you mount the / partition, delete some files, then the next step i don't know off the top of my head. you'll need to shrink the file system then shrink the partition, then shrink the img. it might be easier to just make a new img with the right size, and rsync / to /
[15:09] <chesty> and of course /boot to /boot, the other partition
[15:10] <DrJ> http://softwarebakery.com/shrinking-images-on-linux
[15:10] <DrJ> I wonder if that is what I need
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[15:13] <chesty> looks good, they do the loop thing the manual way, kpartx does it in one step. but definitely try it.
[15:14] <DrJ> k, I'll try this guide first then
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[15:18] <Lonefish> sgo11: Weird, I can't seem to reproduce it either, but I know I had the issue before
[15:19] <sgo11> Lonefish, that must be an android bug then. :)
[15:19] <Lonefish> wait, I remember how it was
[15:19] <Lonefish> but since I don't have any friends on messenger I can't reproduce :p
[15:19] <Lonefish> If you open camera app
[15:19] <Lonefish> and then open your bubble of messenger
[15:19] <Lonefish> (the overlay, with the chat heads)
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[15:20] <Lonefish> If you then open your camera in the messenger app it can't access it
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[15:20] <Lonefish> I think.
[15:20] <Lonefish> Since the camera is still an active app
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[15:21] <Lonefish> And I don't seem to be able to force open the chatheads :p
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[15:23] <Lonefish> Reproduced!
[15:24] <Lonefish> sgo11 "Sorry the camera is not working right now. You might need to close any other camera apps you have running"
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[15:27] <DrJ> chesty, stupid img file had/has 4GB of unallocated space in it
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[15:27] <DrJ> working on the removal of that part
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[15:28] <chesty> on the plus side, no need to delete files
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[15:31] <sgo11> Lonefish, ok. cool. that explains it. I just want one process to do motion detection and raspivid process to capture videos. I think that is not doable then. I have to use two cameras for this job. :)
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[15:34] <Lonefish> If you write it yourself can't you do it in one process?
[15:34] <chesty> sgo11: never say never, i don't know how, but I reckon you can have one app capture the video and copy the stream into two and provide it to both apps. so your two apps wouldn't be talking to the camera directly
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[15:34] <Lonefish> Indeed, that might be a solution too
[15:34] <Lonefish> After all, video is just 30 images after eachother
[15:34] <Lonefish> if you could copy them
[15:35] <chesty> or just motion detect on the output of raspivid
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[15:35] <DrJ> chesty: copying smaller .img to windows now... will know in a few minutes if it worked
[15:35] <DrJ> I think it did
[15:35] <DrJ> the img is only about 4GB now (was 8GB)
[15:36] <DrJ> which sounds right becauuse of the 4GB unallocated space
[15:36] <chesty> cool, not a lot of room for log files, etc
[15:37] <sgo11> chesty, I think raspivid can only generate video instead of images. that is the problem. I have to use raspivid to generate video. when that happens, no process can access that camera. I have no idea how can I determine motions from a video output. All other apps can not give me 30fps or even 15fps video/image output.
[15:38] <sgo11> Lonefish, the problem is the speed of generating images. I did many tests and many apps. The only one which can generate 30fps/15fps video is raspivid. Even the builtin raspistill can not create images that fast. so that is the problem. My current workaround is using two cameras. :)
[15:39] <ali1234> why do you need for two apps to access the camera?
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[15:40] <sgo11> ali1234, one for motion detection. one (raspivid) for creating 30fps 1920x1080 video.
[15:40] <sgo11> even 15fps is OK. but no app can do that except raspivid.
[15:40] <chesty> can't you create stills from the output of raspivid?
[15:41] <DrJ> chesty: I will expand the file system after I finally get it on the sd card and booted in the pi
[15:41] <DrJ> writing to sd card now
[15:41] <sgo11> chesty, I don't think so. do you know how to do that? :)
[15:42] <ali1234> use gstreamer, this: https://github.com/thaytan/gst-rpicamsrc and this: https://github.com/codebrainz/motiondetector
[15:42] <ali1234> will be complex though
[15:42] <chesty> i know of thaytan, he used to live in sydney
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[15:43] <sgo11> chesty, "raspistill" is the program to create stills. but it can not create images that fast. 30fps/15fps.
[15:44] <ali1234> alternatively just use motion and deal with the bad framerate
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[15:45] <chesty> sgo11: forget raspistill. google how to turn mpeg or whatever the output of raspivid is into stills
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[15:45] <sgo11> ali1234, I will look at those two projects. not sure whether they can create 30fps 1920x1080 video. motion can only create 4fps with whatever resolution I give.
[15:45] <ali1234> motion sucks
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[15:46] <ali1234> people only use it because it is easy
[15:46] <sgo11> chesty, good idea. I might try that. :) very good idea. thanks a lot.
[15:46] <JK-47> Motion is good if you use 2 image buffers, and do the motion detection on a scaled down buffer.
[15:46] <ali1234> motion is 20 year old software (at least)
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[15:52] <DrJ> man, these things take forever to burn to sd card
[15:52] <DrJ> almost done though
[15:52] <DrJ> sure hope this works
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[16:05] <DrJ> chesty: it works :)
[16:05] <DrJ> thanks
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[16:06] <chesty> DrJ: sweet
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[16:38] <Aleosha_39> Hi, pls someone could to install the image windows in the RaspberryPi 2; what's your opinion about the performance ???My idea is go to the office with my raspberry pi 2 (office, visio,pdf, programns like SCRT,putty,skype,mirc,mozilla)
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[16:39] <ppq> those are windows programs
[16:39] <ppq> the pi runs linux
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[16:39] <Aleosha_39> yes, I wnat use the image Windows in Raspberry Pi2,....is possible right ?
[16:40] <ppq> might be possible in some cases with wine but IMHO it's not worth the trouble
[16:40] <ppq> ah
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[16:41] <Aleosha_39> but, in the raspberry page, i can see the mention of image windows... but i am not sure if is true or about the performance
[16:41] <ppq> as far as i know the windows version that runs on the pi does not support GUI
[16:41] <ppq> but i never actually looked into that
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[16:42] <ppq> next problem is the architecture, of course
[16:42] <Aleosha_39> sorry the question, what is the main of "does not support GUI" ?
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[16:50] <Norky> Windows 10 IoT Core will not run Office and other normal desktop apps
[16:52] <Norky> Aleosha_39, see https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oo_gNL-zkuY
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[17:04] <DrunkenDwarf> Hi all. I'm wondering if anyone's had a go at paralell computing on the pi's GPU? I know it's closed source and there's no OpenCL/CUDA for it, but I've been wondering if it's worth shoehorning your data into textures/VBOs and bodging OpenGL ES into doing some basic computation?
[17:06] <deshipu> DrunkenDwarf: why would you want to do computation-intensive calculations on the rpi in the first place?
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[17:07] <deshipu> DrunkenDwarf: because just replacing it with something with a larger cpu would be much less work
[17:07] <DrunkenDwarf> deshipu: that's what I'm getting funded to do :) they're cheap and easy to deploy in the field in a semi-self maintained manner
[17:07] <chesty> there's a compute hat for bitcoin, probably more fun than serious
[17:07] <deshipu> ...
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[17:07] <deshipu> DrunkenDwarf: who pays you? because I'd like some too ;)
[17:08] <DrunkenDwarf> academic research project ;)
[17:08] <deshipu> damn academia having all the fun
[17:08] <traeak> what drives gpu computations? in my experience gpus are slower in general
[17:08] <deshipu> traeak: they are cheaper
[17:08] <DrunkenDwarf> they're slower, but generally far more parallelisable
[17:08] <traeak> gpus are cheaper?
[17:09] <deshipu> traeak: per core ;)
[17:09] <traeak> my dual xeon her ehas a 600W power supply and runs great
[17:09] <traeak> totally slammed
[17:09] <Aleosha_39> Thanks for the answers !!! i ll review the link... :)
[17:09] <traeak> parallizable but can't handle any sort of decision making
[17:09] <traeak> :-p
[17:10] <DrunkenDwarf> traeak: depends entirely on what you're doing. Im doing computer vision and basic machine learning. for that GPU is ideal
[17:10] <traeak> we're doing photogrammetry and trajectory error modelling
[17:10] <DrunkenDwarf> not really hard problems, but millions of them
[17:10] <traeak> and laser scanners
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[17:11] <traeak> we always have people ask us why we don't do gpus at first
[17:11] <traeak> then when they run our stuff they tell the gpu people to shove it unless they can run as fast as our stuff does
[17:11] <traeak> but that's another thing entirely
[17:11] <DrunkenDwarf> well, that ounds perfect. .. not done that inparticular, but I have worked on procedural geometry, and I could do sick things on GPU
[17:12] <traeak> using photogrammetry with CV is the best way to do it
[17:12] <traeak> i'm very pleased all our stuff will run just fine on arm or anything :-p
[17:12] <traeak> since we do pho togrammetry though its more about least squares, robustness, etc
[17:13] <Apocx> Plug SD card into PC. Change small value in cmdline.txt. Safely Remove Hardware->Eject Storage. Put SD card in PI. Doesn't boot. Put SD card back in PC. No data on SD card. LOGIC!
[17:13] <Apocx> SD cards--for when you really want horribly unreliable data storage
[17:13] <traeak> statistical analysis is something CV people are starting to get though
[17:13] <traeak> yeah
[17:14] <traeak> flushing should work okay
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[17:14] <traeak> my partner was working with some laser scanner guys using some titan gpu (fastest at the time) to do laser scanner processing wit h32bit floats
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[17:15] <traeak> he took our code base, implemented the same thing on a quad core notebook and processed it all double precision with about 4x throughput they had with their full blown system
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[17:16] <traeak> that's the most concrete example i have...our competitors run gpu stuff but the problem is they try to cram the problem into a gpu instead of actually solving the problem
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[17:16] <traeak> it's a serious issue for mostof the gpu folks
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[17:16] <traeak> not all, but just the anecdotal stuff i've been associated with
[17:16] <traeak> heh
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[17:18] <DrunkenDwarf> i agree entirely, so many people have managed to cobble together a managable solution by brute-forcing on the GPU, rather than actually solving. ... People should only be allowed to try the GPU to experiment with an already elegant algoritm
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[17:21] <traeak> by that time i'm already running that algorihm in parallel on all 32 or 40 cores or whatever, along with other decision logic
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[17:21] <traeak> it seems gpus themselves aren't parallelizable
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[17:29] <doomlord> architecting code for gpus can be quite different
[17:30] <TrekBike> Well they have a limited subset of instructions and do everything in parallel
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[17:30] <doomlord> deshipu its a shame there's no openCL for rpi
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[17:31] <deshipu> doomlord: I don't know, I don't miss it
[17:31] <TrekBike> what language do you use for the Pi's GPU?
[17:32] <doomlord> deshipu opencl allows you to write portable parallel code, i think thats awesome given the range of devices
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[17:33] <doomlord> i wonder what it would take to get cl on rpi
[17:33] <doomlord> openCL is here to stay, if the rPI is here to stay too, it would be good to have
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[17:35] <traeak> but tryng to issue commands to a gpu in parallel won't work...a good way t ostall my 32 or 40 or 64 cores out
[17:35] <traeak> anyways not a big deal. there are some things i may actually be interested in trying at some point
[17:36] <doomlord> but the GPU itself is massively parallel, the batch does parallelism
[17:36] <traeak> i did try but figured out ery uickly that gpus don't have much ram in them to do much
[17:36] <doomlord> each 'command' executes its items in parallel
[17:36] <traeak> i think in terms of task level parallelism
[17:36] <doomlord> the GPU is where its' at for float work these days
[17:36] <traeak> gpu stuff seems to muc haround in the danger zone of instruction level
[17:37] <traeak> which is very sensitive to generational updates
[17:37] <doomlord> the problem is CPUs are stalled by the von-neuman bottleneck
[17:37] <doomlord> CPUs aren't advancing but GPUs are
[17:37] <doomlord> the GPU progreamming model is data-parallel... and scales much better
[17:37] <traeak> really? i'm finding our stuff runs faster every update
[17:37] <traeak> scales if you can jam your problem into it
[17:38] <doomlord> CPUs aren't advancing as fast as GPUs
[17:38] <doomlord> and GPUs can be scaled much further
[17:38] <traeak> that's true although the limited problems that can be solved
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[17:38] <doomlord> i can only see the gap increasing
[17:38] <TrekBike> GPU's don't really have legacy applications to support
[17:39] <TrekBike> Makes it easier to create a clean architecture
[17:39] <doomlord> all the major players know it
[17:39] <traeak> but they aren't doing much with it
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[17:39] <traeak> we know some major players, microsoft being one of them
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[17:40] <doomlord> hence their strategies... AMD integrating CPU&GPU closer - HSA. Intel - making a CPU more like a GPU - knights landing ; and their newer consumer chips devote more area toGPU. NVidia: pushing their gpu-heavy SOCs, and they rule supercomputing with Teslas
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[17:40] <doomlord> the competitor to GPUs might be FPGAs, and again, thats' suited to data-parallel
[17:41] <doomlord> its just the laws of nature... you can go much further with inherently parallel code
[17:41] <traeak> yes, a specific small subset of problems
[17:41] <doomlord> the GPU programming model is parallel from the outset
[17:41] <TrekBike> I don't think FPGAs will compete with discreet silicon. FPGAs are used to prototype new silicon
[17:41] <doomlord> traeak this is what I mean about 'different to architect'
[17:42] <doomlord> you can't just take regular algorithms and stick them on a GPU
[17:42] <traeak> doomlord: iterative lease squares, heavy branch code, model fitting, etc is what we do mostly
[17:42] <doomlord> but you can rework them
[17:42] <traeak> for a 2-3 man shop its not worth the effort
[17:42] <traeak> nor is it worth the effort to dictate to your customers what hardware to buy
[17:42] <traeak> that's another issue entirely
[17:43] <doomlord> This is where you'd benefit if the world got behind OpenCL for RPI
[17:43] <doomlord> OpenCL is a broadly portable way of harnessing parallel compute
[17:43] <doomlord> parallel compute it mainstream now, and its' only going to get better
[17:43] <doomlord> i think the gap will grow
[17:44] <traeak> guess it does depend on where you are sitting at the moment
[17:44] <traeak> from our view statistical analysis and error model propagation are very critical
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[17:44] <traeak> the CV folks turn a total blind eye to any of that stuff
[17:44] <BurtyB> TrekBike, don't tell intel that as I'm sure they spent a few quid on ther xeon+fpga hybrid thing ;)
[17:45] <doomlord> fpgas can be used for compute-tasks
[17:45] <doomlord> they can run some software even more efficiently than GPUs (not higher perf, but lower watts)
[17:45] <doomlord> i thinnk microsoft have been using them for neuralnets
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[17:46] <doomlord> they train the nets on GPUs, but run them on FPGAs now (10x efficiency)
[17:47] <doomlord> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gustafson%27s_law
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[19:42] <h4x3> is raspi armel or armhf?
[19:43] <mgottschlag> all but the 2B are soft-float only
[19:43] <h4x3> raspi 2 b+
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[19:43] <mgottschlag> eh, bs
[19:43] <mgottschlag> all are hard-float, sorry
[19:43] <h4x3> so?
[19:43] <mgottschlag> *all*
[19:43] <mgottschlag> armhf
[19:43] <h4x3> ah
[19:43] <h4x3> cool
[19:43] <h4x3> thx
[19:44] <mgottschlag> (just the newer one is also ARMv7, but that doesn't change too much)
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[19:44] <mgottschlag> well, it needs to be ARMv6 armhf, so no standard ubuntu, or no non-pi arch
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[19:45] <traeak> the neon unit can be helpful though right?
[19:46] <mgottschlag> it certainly has higher throughput
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[20:10] <DrJ> http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00TFV5QTA?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_detailpage_o01_s00
[20:10] <DrJ> is that the latest pi model
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[20:11] <ppq> the zero is the latest
[20:11] <ppq> but that is the latest "full size" pi, yes
[20:11] <DrJ> ?
[20:11] <DrJ> haven't heard of "zero"
[20:12] <DrJ> ah yea, don't want zero
[20:12] <DrJ> just googled that
[20:12] <DrJ> I was thinking b+ might be the latest
[20:12] <DrJ> that one says only B
[20:12] <DrJ> glad it is
[20:12] <DrJ> because I already ordered 2
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[20:13] <ppq> 2 is newer than B+
[20:13] <Berg> someone send me a zero
[20:13] <IT_Sean> No.
[20:13] <Berg> *PLEASSE*
[20:14] <IT_Sean> Berg: you send me $20, i'll send you a Zero.
[20:14] <Berg> if i send you 20 dollar you will buy chocolate
[20:14] <Berg> ner ner
[20:14] <IT_Sean> Actually, that's probably not terribly untrue
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[20:14] <Berg> its ok i can live with the wait
[20:15] <DrJ> thanks ppq
[20:15] <DrJ> I had a minor stroke when I saw pi 2 model b
[20:15] <DrJ> I thought there might be a pi 2 model b+
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[20:16] <ppq> yea the versioning is pretty confusing
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[20:16] <IT_Sean> that's sooooo not how any of this works :p
[20:16] <IT_Sean> Best way to think of it is this: A / B denotes feature set. the 2 replaced the +
[20:16] <IT_Sean> it's still confusing as hell
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[20:16] <Berg> I been adding to my battery charger monitoring system with chaRGEd photodiode senseors i need some way of monitoring the 12 volt battery voltage without blowing blue smoke
[20:16] <DrJ> thanks IT_Sean
[20:16] <IT_Sean> ja ja
[20:16] <DrJ> I choose 1 day shipping
[20:16] <DrJ> so ... I am stuck
[20:16] <DrJ> glad I was right
[20:17] <IT_Sean> So, hopefully you will get it in 3 - 5 days.
[20:17] <DrJ> haha
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[20:17] <DrJ> shipped by amazon
[20:17] * IT_Sean maends thant to 7 - 10 days
[20:17] <DrJ> so I should get it tomorrow
[20:17] <DrJ> if not... I will make them give me the $20 back
[20:17] <Berg> ship it to the farside of the world
[20:18] <Berg> makes australia seem like a alien world
[20:18] <Berg> it prolly is
[20:18] <Berg> :)
[20:18] <IT_Sean> I dunno... I've had FedEx get me something from Australia in three days (im in the states, by the way), while it takes them a solid two weeks to get something to me from California.
[20:19] <Berg> customer service
[20:19] <Berg> whooohooo
[20:19] <DrJ> what gets me IT_Sean is how like Fedex and ups will let packages sit... to guarantee you don't get them before what you paid for
[20:19] <IT_Sean> that annoys the pants offa me
[20:19] <The_Borg> Berg is strange
[20:20] <The_Borg> hehehe
[20:20] <The_Borg> <---is berg
[20:20] <DrJ> if you paid for 3 day shipping there is no way in hell they will deliver it in 2 days
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[20:20] <DrJ> even if its 3 miles from your house after day 1
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[20:21] <ppq> intel and nvidia have been doing that since … forever
[20:21] <Berg> i was in jaycar the other day and i asked if a monitor they had was compatable with a RPI he said he check i never sawe him again
[20:21] <Berg> customer service
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[20:21] <DrJ> anyway, I have a model b+ right now
[20:21] <DrJ> hoping this is a bit faster
[20:21] <DrJ> the new one that is
[20:21] <Berg> is that a raspberry pi 2 b+
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[20:22] <Berg> im always confused with models
[20:22] <DrJ> what I have now is the original b+
[20:22] <DrJ> now the quad core/1GB version
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[20:22] <DrJ> *not
[20:22] <Berg> ok
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[20:22] <Berg> i read typo
[20:22] <Berg> :)
[20:22] <DrJ> bought it like 3 years ago probably
[20:23] <Berg> im starting to think i cant get a ZERO so i might buy earlier models for cheaper
[20:23] <DrJ> anyone know if the pi 2 will boot from a b+ sd card?
[20:23] <DrJ> without issues
[20:23] <Berg> is it a micro sd card?
[20:23] <DrJ> I basically want to take the sd card out of b+ and place in pi 2
[20:23] <DrJ> ummm
[20:23] <DrJ> crap
[20:24] <DrJ> the pi 2 uses a micro?
[20:24] <IT_Sean> yes
[20:24] <Berg> yes
[20:24] <DrJ> haha
[20:24] <pksato> DrJ: no. rpi2 not boot rpi1 b+ sdcard.
[20:24] <IT_Sean> it also uses a different kernel. You will need a Pi2-specific image
[20:24] <pksato> need to update /boot first.
[20:24] <IT_Sean> wot 'e said ^
[20:26] <DrJ> crap
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[20:27] <IT_Sean> So, no. For several reasons you can't "just yank an SD out of a b+ and jam in it a 2" and have it work
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[20:27] <IT_Sean> Did you not check _any_ of the documentation 'fore you orderd it?
[20:28] <DrJ> IT_Sean, I'm way too advanced to read documentation
[20:28] <DrJ> lukily, it looks like a micro sd card can be had at walmart for under $10
[20:30] <DrJ> sadly I can't add a couple sd cards to my order to get them tomorrow either without paying $20 more for next day
[20:30] <DrJ> order already out
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[20:32] <DrJ> guess that is why the other "kit" was about $10 more expensive
[20:33] <DrJ> it included the sd card
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[20:33] <IT_Sean> d'herrrp
[20:33] <DrJ> how neccessary is that heatsink for this puppy
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[20:33] <DrJ> I assume you don't need that unless you overclock
[20:34] <ppq> you don't need it, ever
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[20:35] <ppq> as decoration maybe
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[20:50] <DrJ> cool
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[20:55] <YellowSuB> Hello
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[20:55] <Berg> hello
[20:56] <YellowSuB> Is the raspberry pi powerful engugh to be run as a dedicated netflix mahcine
[20:56] <YellowSuB> i have the older model, not raspi 2
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[20:57] <ppq> netflix on the pi is somewhat problematic
[20:57] <YellowSuB> why?
[20:57] <t3chguy> Due to Netflix requiring Silverlight I presume
[20:57] <ppq> DRM
[20:57] <YellowSuB> I thougt they quit using drm a long time ago
[20:57] <t3chguy> erm
[20:57] <YellowSuB> i mean silverlight
[20:57] <t3chguy> oh xD
[20:58] <t3chguy> Netflix without DRM would be a paid putlocker with less content
[20:58] <YellowSuB> heh yeah
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[20:58] <YellowSuB> Well, i thought that since i can run netflix on linux why not raspi?
[20:58] <ppq> on linux it works with chrome
[20:59] <ppq> err, on x86 linux
[20:59] <YellowSuB> Yes, i could run chrome on the raspi
[20:59] <YellowSuB> or is there no arm support?
[20:59] <ppq> you got it
[20:59] <YellowSuB> damn
[20:59] <traeak> chromiumRPI
[20:59] <YellowSuB> what about the chromium project?
[20:59] <YellowSuB> yes
[20:59] <ppq> they don't have the DRM thingy that netflix needs
[20:59] <traeak> wonder if that's rpi2 only?
[20:59] <YellowSuB> Could that run it?
[20:59] <traeak> they haven't posted in a couple of weeeks
[20:59] <ppq> what's it called.. EME?
[21:00] <YellowSuB> yes
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[21:00] <traeak> https://www.reddit.com/r/ChromiumRPI/
[21:00] <YellowSuB> thasnks
[21:00] <traeak> they don't have a webpage or anything yet...
[21:00] <YellowSuB> *thanks
[21:01] <traeak> not sure how it will or won't run on an rpi
[21:01] <traeak> rpi2 is only tolerable IMHO
[21:01] <YellowSuB> ok
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[21:01] <YellowSuB> are there any other microcomputers that might be suitable for such a task?
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[21:02] <ppq> the HP chromebox is nice and cheap
[21:02] <traeak> go to 100usd range and you got all the intel ones
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[21:02] <YellowSuB> seems nice
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[21:03] <ppq> you can probably get it second hand
[21:03] <YellowSuB> would it be possible to somehow stream netflix from my server to my tv?
[21:04] <traeak> chromecast can do this ?
[21:04] <YellowSuB> i suppose
[21:05] <YellowSuB> is it supported on linux?
[21:05] <JK-47> just open netflix on your phone, hit the chromecast button. and watch it on your tv.
[21:06] <YellowSuB> oh, that's going to be a problem
[21:06] <YellowSuB> don't own a smartphone
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[21:08] <IT_Sean> Android tablet?
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[21:14] <knob> Anybody here have used this? https://www.pi-supply.com/product/pi-poe-switch-hat-power-over-ethernet-for-raspberry-pi/?v=7516fd43adaa
[21:14] <knob> Looks very promising, yet they are still not shipping.
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[21:24] <TrekBike> Thats one thing I wonder why the Pi didn't get be default.
[21:27] <Spiffy> The price
[21:27] <Spiffy> It would be awesome though
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[21:28] <knob> Yeah... price would get driven up. I'm ok with rPi not having it by default.
[21:28] <TrekBike> Would it really add that much from a manufacturing perspective? Seems like a few resistors and a VRM.
[21:28] <knob> Yet that HAT / shield looks very nice;
[21:28] <knob> No idea how much it would be driven up.
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[21:32] <TrekBike> PoE seems like it would be pretty easy to implement on a 10/100 ethernet based device as opposed to a Gbps device.
[21:33] * ShorTie snickers, Estimated shipping date for pre orders is end of August 2015
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[22:01] <zeroquake> Any ideas on how to create web enabled led strip lighting probably drawing power from usb supply?
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[22:03] <Berg> you want your pi to run a web site? zeroquake
[22:04] <zeroquake> Nopes , it more of a hardware question , is it possible to create web controlled led strip lighting using raspberrypi
[22:05] <zeroquake> Some like this https://i.ytimg.com/vi/tf6_GaXPOEQ/maxresdefault.jpg
[22:05] <Berg> if you can control you pi from the web you can control a led with the pi
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[22:06] <Berg> I control light with my pi from its website
[22:07] <zeroquake> Any links for the tutorial you folowed?
[22:08] <Berg> i just pluged it all tyogether but there is many links to do web s6tuff one sec
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[22:08] <Berg> http://www.instructables.com/id/Raspberry-Pi-GPIO-home-automation/
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[22:08] <Berg> this looks pomising
[22:09] <mgottschlag> zeroquake: the problem is the power requirement
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[22:09] <Berg> not the actual light used
[22:09] <mgottschlag> depending on the LED stripe, you'd need quite some current on 5V
[22:09] <zeroquake> yup, i see led lightings using in stuff like infinity tables , but no mention as to how they power that strip
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[22:09] <mgottschlag> most stripes work with 12V, and you could get a 12V power supply and convert that to 5V to feed the pi
[22:10] <Berg> most have own power
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[22:10] <zeroquake> mgottschlag, pi can run of 5v from standard phone battery packs right
[22:10] <zeroquake> Berg, you mean have their own power supply?
[22:11] <Berg> yes
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[22:11] <mgottschlag> there are 3 versions: dumb strips with just one power supply per color (R, G and B), intelligent strips with one-wire digital control, and fully integrated ones with digital control from a microcontroler, but no proper external interface
[22:11] <Berg> i have a pi running relays that controll 240v but the relays run off a seperate 5v power pack
[22:11] <mgottschlag> zeroquake: the pi can run from just any 5V
[22:11] <mgottschlag> if there is enough current
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[22:12] <zeroquake> most of led strips need 12V at minimum
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[22:12] <Berg> http://gallery.anotherpower.com/main.php/d/30245-2/SDC10529_001.JPG
[22:13] <Berg> that has 2 usb power onbe for pi one for relay
[22:13] <mgottschlag> apparently, ws2812b strips need 5V
[22:13] <mgottschlag> that's the most common one-wire LED
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[22:13] <Berg> i use a wifi connection on that pi with its own web site to controll the relays
[22:14] <Berg> anyway yues it can be done
[22:14] <mgottschlag> e.g. http://www.aliexpress.com/item/1m-4m-5m-WS2812B-Smart-led-pixel-strip-Black-White-PCB-30-60-144-leds-m/32265057856.html?spm=2114.01010208.3.94.r10ahM&ws_ab_test=searchweb201556_3,searchweb201644_3_10001_10002_10005_301_10006_10003_10004_62_9912,searchweb201560_8,searchweb1451318400_6149,searchweb1451318411_6452
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[22:16] <t3chguy> mgottschlag: they will work at 3v3 too
[22:16] <zeroquake> each led is addressable ! why is it so cheap ...
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[22:16] <Valduare> hi guys
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[22:19] <mgottschlag> zeroquake: because china.
[22:20] <TrekBike> I meant to put tha tin the rpi channel, it was a discussion about POE
[22:20] <Valduare> so i got a magpi issue #40 :)
[22:20] <mgottschlag> zeroquake: if you search around on aliexpress, you might find a better offer
[22:21] <mgottschlag> just keep in mind that delivery usually takes up to 30 days and sometimes longer
[22:21] <mgottschlag> and look at the seller rating, and only buy something from sellers with 1000+ positive ratings
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[22:21] <Valduare> I need to figure out what would be the best to get for a power supply for my new raspberry pi zero
[22:22] <Valduare> should i go for a powered hub option and it can just plug itself into the hub
[22:23] <zeroquake> mgottschlag, yup thank you. Have to find out who these connect to pi
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[22:24] <mgottschlag> oh, and depending on where you live, check with your local custom rules
[22:25] <mgottschlag> *customs rules?
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[22:25] <mgottschlag> whatever, just make sure that you don't have to pick it up from the customs office if you can avoid that :)
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[22:26] <mgottschlag> ... and buy local if you find something comparable and it isn't too expensive
[22:26] <Valduare> should i go with something like this for the raspberry pi zero http://www.amazon.com/Adapter-Powered-Charging-Charger-Connector/dp/B00LTHBCNM/ref=sr_1_10?ie=UTF8&qid=1453152188&sr=8-10&keywords=powered+hub
[22:27] <mgottschlag> Valduare: the powered USB hub sounds good to me
[22:27] <mgottschlag> but in the end, that looks good as well, yes
[22:27] <Valduare> that cord is a powered one as well
[22:28] <mgottschlag> I mean, that's a powered hub, even though a slightly unconventional one :)
[22:28] <mgottschlag> yeah
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[22:28] <Valduare> I think i’d like to eventually put the pi0 into a case and perm mount the usb ports from the hub in the case too
[22:29] <Valduare> so that cord might make that easier
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[22:38] <Viper168> I'm going to have to gut and fit my hub into a handheld device, but only bringing out two usb ports to the outside
[22:38] <Valduare> what do you think of this for that ?http://www.amazon.com/Adapter-Powered-Charging-Charger-Connector/dp/B00LTHBCNM/ref=sr_1_10?ie=UTF8&qid=1453152188&sr=8-10&keywords=powered+hub
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[22:38] <Viper168> enough to plug in some peripheral and a flash drive, or two usb gamepads to play multiplayer games with friends
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