#raspberrypi IRC Log


IRC Log for 2016-02-01

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[0:01] <tohipfortheroom> http://linux.slashdot.org/story/16/01/24/1329206/linux-45-adds-raspberry-pi-2-support-amd-gpu-re-clocking-intel-kaby-lake
[0:01] <tohipfortheroom> there's alittle more information on it
[0:01] <Valduare> any of that affect the pi zero?
[0:02] <tohipfortheroom> let me check
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[0:04] <tohipfortheroom> they have it listed as a defconfig file so that means you could build it, but since the pi is based off the earlier orginial pi's prcoessor im not sure youd get the same support that you would on the 2
[0:04] <ali1234> considering that the GPU is identical i doubt it makes any difference
[0:05] <tohipfortheroom> true hadnt thought of that
[0:05] <ali1234> actually, everything is identical except for the ARM IP core
[0:05] <ali1234> and maybe some hardware errata
[0:06] <tohipfortheroom> i have yet to get my hands on a pi zero
[0:06] <Valduare> i have a pi zero, its def the last older arm board im ever buying
[0:06] <UncleKiwi> hi anybody use fedora on rpi2 ?
[0:06] <Valduare> arm7 and newer or its not worth it heh
[0:07] <UncleKiwi> just minimal
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[0:07] <UncleKiwi> do you think its a bad idea ?
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[0:10] <Tenkawa> anyone use reflections ssh client on ios?
[0:10] <tohipfortheroom> why would it be a bad idea?
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[0:24] <bitanarchy> I get mmcblk0 I/O error on my raspberry pi after doing a firmware update
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[0:28] <Valduare> uh oh
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[0:33] <bitanarchy> if I do a firmware update are those only the firmwares that are installed by the os at boot or are they really stored in a fash of the rpi?
[0:33] <bitanarchy> rpi-update
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[0:39] <bitanarchy> how can an sd card get damaged ?
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[0:40] <mlelstv> someone used a hammer?
[0:40] <tohipfortheroom> it was a mallet
[0:40] <bitanarchy> I mean just from writing data to it
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[0:40] <bitanarchy> I just installed a whole bunch dont wanna start all over
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[1:18] <Tenkawa> can the pi zeo use mainline 4.4 kernel?
[1:18] <Tenkawa> er zero
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[1:23] <Valduare> hmm
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[1:26] <TinkerTiger> I didn't think that there was much different with the Zero's processor.
[1:27] <Tenkawa> which defconfig would be best to start with
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[1:28] <TinkerTiger> That, I wouldn't know.
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[1:32] <Valduare> wonder if anyone would trade a pi2 for a pi zero :P
[1:33] <exonormal> why?
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[1:33] <Valduare> i’d rather have arm7
[1:34] <exonormal> so?
[1:34] <exonormal> is the zero A6?
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[1:36] <Xark> Yes, same as original RPi (except clocked faster by default).
[1:36] <Xark> RPI2 is much nicer ARM
[1:37] <exonormal> so?
[1:37] <exonormal> a pi is a pi
[1:38] <Valduare> you having troubles exonormal ?
[1:38] <exonormal> just go buy a pi B-2
[1:38] <exonormal> no
[1:38] <Tenkawa> its all fun :)
[1:38] <exonormal> keep the zero and just buy the B-2
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[1:39] <exonormal> then ssh the zero with the B-2 and presto...
[1:39] <exonormal> two pi's in one
[1:41] <Xark> Valduare: You might find someone to make that trade who really wants a (hard to get Pi0). RPi2 is easy to get (on the shelf at local Fry's for me).
[1:41] <Valduare> aye thats what I was thinking
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[1:44] <Xark> I already have a Pi0 though, sorry. :) A nice step up from original Pi speedwise, but still a slug vs RPi2.
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[1:45] <Valduare> all a slug vs pine64 :P
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[1:45] <Xark> Perhaps, still waiting for that to coalesce from the vapors. :)
[1:46] <exonormal> problem is I have to buy a B-2 to trade... I don't want to pay $35 fro a zero
[1:47] <Tenkawa> i have a vast assortment of pi models heheheh
[1:47] <exonormal> so,, in Adafruit.com I reserved a zero next time they stock them
[1:48] * Xark got his from there (with accessories for ~$30).
[1:48] <exonormal> I already have the accessory kit
[1:48] <Xark> exonormal: I did too, but I wanted a 0. :)
[1:48] <exonormal> well I am waiting for mine to show up
[1:48] <Valduare> Xark: what do you want a zero for
[1:49] <exonormal> cuz it's zero
[1:49] <Tenkawa> anyone using redlections in ios by chance?
[1:49] <Xark> Valduare: To check it out, mostly. I am planning on using it as a USB host for FPGA project.
[1:49] <exonormal> cool
[1:49] <Xark> (Since adding USB host in FPGA is major hardware and software PITA)
[1:50] * Tenkawa uses his zero for various projects
[1:50] <Tenkawa> mostly just for fun though
[1:51] <exonormal> mine is gunna be stuffed in a Apple G3 lappy
[1:51] <Tenkawa> nice
[1:51] <exonormal> hopefully the screen agrees with it
[1:51] <Xark> exonormal: Interesting. I have a G5 MacBook I am wondering what to do with (had trouble installing Linux because CD drive is busted - and only ancient USB 1.1).
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[1:52] <exonormal> ok, then find an old stick and load OS on it and you'll be able to use linux in it
[1:53] <exonormal> I am sure you can find a new CD drive for it on Ebay
[1:53] <Xark> exonormal: I wasn't able to get that working. However, I can boot firewire drives (but hard to install from that...)
[1:53] <exonormal> I see
[1:53] <tohipfortheroom> is that a powerpc macbook?
[1:53] <exonormal> sorry
[1:53] <Xark> exonormal: Currently the machine works fine with some ancient Apple OS
[1:53] <Xark> Yes, PowerPC
[1:54] <exonormal> sweet
[1:54] <Xark> G5 (so fancy, IIRC)
[1:54] <exonormal> lol
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[1:55] <Valduare> I have an old xserve g5 here
[1:55] <Xark> Okay, close, it is G4 (A1025 type) -> http://www.everymac.com/ultimate-mac-lookup/?search_keywords=A1025
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[1:57] * Xark also has a HackinTosh running Snow Leopard (but can't [easily] upgrade it - on old Gateway laptop).
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[2:03] <exonormal> that must have been fun
[2:03] <Valduare> hmm should see if there’s something i could take apart for parts to run some rgb led strip
[2:04] <exonormal> why? use the zero to do that
[2:04] <Valduare> thats what I just said
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[2:05] <exonormal> okay
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[3:29] <devslash> Ho
[3:29] <devslash> Hi
[3:29] <devslash> Is anyone here
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[3:34] <wireddude> yo
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[3:37] <devslash> colloquy://devslashIf i run a linux server from home thats running over ssl and use a dynamic dns service is it possible to get a trusted certificate based on my dns name ?
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[3:41] <wireddude> not sure.
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[5:03] <micah> i've got a generic IR remote/receiver. It works fine on my machine, but plugged into the pi it works, but sort of... freaks out. Its like someone is sitting on the remote... i hit one key and it repeats a seemingly random number of times
[5:04] <micah> i'm wondering if this is a known issue
[5:04] <Valduare> what is it lirc that runs it?
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[5:08] <stinky180> can someone help me install django on my raspberry pi?
[5:08] <stinky180> all the tutorials i've come across uses an old github that doesn't exist /phalt/
[5:08] <stinky180> any help is greatly appreciated, thanks!
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[5:17] <micah> Valduare: it is lirc
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[5:33] <beingbrown> hello all! I'm a school teacher and i bought a raspberry pi kit for some of my students. I'm trying to preassemble one now, and had a question about the tontec touchscreen. it seems it plugs into the gpio pins--does it matter where? i don't want to break anything
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[5:45] <wireddude> It's very important to get the correct GPIO pins.
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[5:46] <wireddude> I did a little googling and found this thread. https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=91&t=64414
[5:46] <wireddude> It might have a zip file with some instructions.
[5:46] <wireddude> I went with an adafruit piTFT and it only had 1 way to mount on like a shield.
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[5:52] <beingbrown> wireddude: thanks. i'll check it out and check back in. i'm doing a dry run of setup so i know what to tell the students, and i realized i forgot a power supply. so... I'm going to have to wait.
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[5:53] <beingbrown> the best i could find was this picture http://www.itontec.com/product-detail/product-name-9/
[5:53] <beingbrown> picture 2
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[5:58] <wireddude> Yeah. I just checked my own pi and I don't see that area to attach the ribbon. Good luck!
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[5:59] <beingbrown> thanks!
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[6:14] <Valduare> beingbrown: power supply for the pi or the screen?
[6:14] <beingbrown> um. both, i guess.
[6:14] <beingbrown> i hope the screen doesn't need a power supply.
[6:15] <Valduare> you can probably find a cellphone charger for the pi
[6:15] <beingbrown> i'll see how many students want to bring one.
[6:15] <beingbrown> thanks for the tip
[6:16] <Valduare> I have the pi zero and it uses a micro usb so just about any non iphone charger these days is micro usb
[6:16] <beingbrown> cool.
[6:17] <Valduare> what kind of projects do you have in mind to do?
[6:17] <Valduare> what grade of students
[6:17] <beingbrown> 6-8th grade.
[6:17] <beingbrown> we started learning python two weeks ago.
[6:18] <beingbrown> i was thinking of doing some robotics or environmental monitoring kind of stuff.
[6:18] <Valduare> sheish, when I was in 6th grade we were using hypercard on apple II computers
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[6:18] <beingbrown> i don't know what that is. :-/
[6:18] <Valduare> “old” stuff :P
[6:18] <beingbrown> wow. you learned programming in 6th grade. i'm jealous.
[6:19] <Valduare> http://cdn.arstechnica.net//wp-content/uploads/2012/05/HyperCardbird-e1338220256722.jpg
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[8:28] <solars> hi, I need a small raspberry pi with camera and wifi, I'm unsure what model to chose. when using the zero, I only need the board plus usb camera, is that right?
[8:29] <solars> hm ok it also has no wifi
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[8:43] <Berg> you can get a raspbery pi cam
[8:44] <Berg> its connected by a strap and board
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[8:45] <solars> yes but not with the zero
[8:46] <solars> afaik
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[9:01] <ThUnD3r|Gr33n> Morning fellas
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[9:04] <lonefish> morning
[9:05] <ThUnD3r|Gr33n> All right that far?
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[9:22] <swift110-phone> Hey
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[9:30] <ThUnD3r|Gr33n> Ho
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[9:40] <t3chguy> solars: correct, Zero has no Camera interconnect
[9:40] <t3chguy> and no Wifi
[9:40] <t3chguy> both of which can be plugged into a USB Hub and into the Zero
[9:42] <solars> t3chguy, what would you use for a rpi + wifi + camera to keep it as small as possible?
[9:42] <t3chguy> probably just that
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[9:42] <solars> pi zero you mean? with which camera and usb module?
[9:42] <t3chguy> any Linux compatible web cam
[9:42] <t3chguy> and the official WiFi Adapter is recommended
[9:43] <t3chguy> for USB Hub, to keep it small
[9:43] <solars> I mean, are there any small ones that people use?
[9:43] <t3chguy> you could either use one of those inline USB Squids
[9:43] <t3chguy> or you could use http://circuitbeard.co.uk/blog/raspberry-pi-zero-usb-hub-mod-with-case
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[9:44] <t3chguy> solars: here, small - http://goo.gl/de3d7f
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[9:44] <t3chguy> if you want to use the official pi camera, you could go for an A+
[9:44] <t3chguy> which is smaller than most of the Pis, but bigger than the Zero
[9:44] <solars> hm but the resolution is too bad, for the small one
[9:45] <solars> I could always just remove the huge usb plugs and solder it
[9:45] <t3chguy> Small USB Cameras tend to be bad quality and low resolution
[9:45] <t3chguy> as the sensor is physically smaller
[9:45] <solars> yea, of course
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[9:47] <bitanarchy> After a second try I am sure... my rpi2b has trouble booting when I do a firmware update
[9:47] <bitanarchy> rpi-update
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[9:48] <bitanarchy> it gets a memblk I/O error
[9:48] <t3chguy> bitanarchy: maybe don't use tools that are mostly for development purposes
[9:48] <bitanarchy> I need the firmware updates
[9:48] <t3chguy> apt fetches firmware updates
[9:49] <bitanarchy> can I restore the old firmwares offline on the sd card?
[9:49] <t3chguy> sure, its all in the /boot/ partition
[9:50] <t3chguy> as shiftplusone said (wherever he is) - rpi-update was a quick hack made back in the day before the kernel and firmware was not properly packaged. apt-get upgrade is enough in 99% of the cases.
[9:50] <bitanarchy> so just copy the firmware in the boot partition from the img to the sd card
[9:50] <bitanarchy> what is the 1%?
[9:51] <t3chguy> development, debugging and testing
[9:51] <t3chguy> oh and if Dom asks you to
[9:52] <t3chguy> apt upgrade will fetch a known-good version of the `firmware`
[9:52] <t3chguy> it will not be the latest, bleeding edge thing
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[9:53] <t3chguy> but it'll be know to work reliably
[9:53] <bitanarchy> I like to do the rpi-update but without the memblk module
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[9:55] <t3chguy> you could probably just load a kernel overlay
[9:55] <t3chguy> the `firmware` that rpi-update updates is actually the Kernel
[9:56] <t3chguy> You can try adding `dtoverlay=mmc` to your /boot/config.txt
[9:56] <t3chguy> which will make your pi use the old sd card driver
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[9:58] <solars> t3chguy, I think I could use one of these 808 keychain cams probably
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[9:58] <t3chguy> solars: I don't think you'd be able to `stream` data from that though
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[9:59] <t3chguy> you'd be able to access the footage once its not recording most likely
[9:59] <solars> t3chguy, http://blog.giuseppeurso.net/raspberry-keychain-808-3-as-webcam/ it seems to work
[9:59] <t3chguy> neat
[9:59] <t3chguy> then go for it
[9:59] <solars> I'll give it a try
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[10:00] <solars> are thre no micro usb hubs? :)
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[10:01] <t3chguy> what do you mean?
[10:02] <t3chguy> you can get hubs that have MicroUSB at the Host end
[10:02] <solars> I mean all sockets
[10:02] <t3chguy> well no
[10:02] <t3chguy> considering USB can only have one Host
[10:02] <solars> I'll probably solder that together somehow
[10:02] <t3chguy> and MicroUSB is normally the Device end (except OTG)
[10:02] <solars> I mean, I could replace the larger ones with micro usb
[10:03] <solars> to save space
[10:04] <t3chguy> you could
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[10:04] <t3chguy> most MicroUSB ports are SMD components, not fun to solder at a ~1mm pitch
[10:05] <solars> that's right :)
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[10:35] <gordonDrogon> it's not hard with practice.
[10:35] <gordonDrogon> you can also do the "lots of flux and flood solder" way too.
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[10:47] <prohobo> hmm
[10:47] <prohobo> so i was supposed to use a 100 Ohm resistor for something, and instead used a 220 Ohm resistor
[10:47] <prohobo> and everything went find
[10:47] <prohobo> fine*
[10:48] <prohobo> when does this because an issue?
[10:48] <Habbie> prohobo, i have no useful way to answer that but i imagine it matters what 'something' is
[10:48] <prohobo> flashing LED
[10:49] <gordonDrogon> for an LED of a Pi?
[10:49] <gordonDrogon> 100Ω is a bit low, usually.
[10:49] <Habbie> as far as i understand in that case it might just be slightly less bright than possible
[10:49] <gordonDrogon> it all depends on the LED though.
[10:49] <prohobo> i see
[10:49] <Habbie> i've been told to put 200-300 on a LED in general
[10:49] <prohobo> 35mA LEDs can work on 100 Ohms fine
[10:50] <prohobo> if you got a 5V power supply
[10:50] <Habbie> but on GPIO you'll generally have 3.3V
[10:50] <prohobo> GPIO?
[10:51] <gordonDrogon> and want to keep it to under 15mA too.
[10:51] <gordonDrogon> prohobo, we're talking about the Pi here, aren't we?
[10:51] <gordonDrogon> or do you have the LEd on something else?
[10:51] <Habbie> g pi o
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[10:51] <gordonDrogon> Game Port IO...
[10:51] <Habbie> hehe
[10:52] <prohobo> im using a pi and an arduino
[10:52] <prohobo> anyways back to work
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[10:56] <gordonDrogon> yea, I have 3Kg of pastry to make. laterz..
[10:56] <Habbie> good luck
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[11:02] <t3chguy> gordonDrogon: Game Port IO...?
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[11:02] <t3chguy> you could flood solder, with a decent iron
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[11:04] <t3chguy> ah https://projects.drogon.net/raspberry-pi-game-port-io/
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[11:20] <swift110-phone> Cool
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[11:30] <limbera_> are there are bluetooth receiver modules that could handle 20+ simultaneous connections?
[11:32] <t3chguy> limbera_: the Bluetooth spec allows for 7 devices per master
[11:32] <t3chguy> so unless the module had 3 physical tranceivers onboard, no
[11:32] <limbera_> interesting i didn't know that
[11:32] <t3chguy> unless you want to play with BLE Sleeping state
[11:33] <limbera_> what's the best tranceivers out there?
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[11:33] <t3chguy> "A master Bluetooth device can communicate with a maximum of seven devices in a piconet"
[11:33] <t3chguy> no idea
[11:33] <limbera_> i'm doing a bit of research for an idea i have, but i don't really know much about this space
[11:33] <t3chguy> limbera_: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bluetooth#Communication_and_connection
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[11:34] <limbera_> thanks t3chguy
[11:35] <t3chguy> no problem limbera_
[11:35] <t3chguy> I think if you leverage sleeping state, a piconet can have up to 248 dormant devices
[11:35] <t3chguy> only 7 of which can be active at a time
[11:35] <limbera_> right
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[11:36] <t3chguy> limbera_: "Bluetooth 4.0 Allows you in a Bluetooth piconet one master can communicate up to 7 active slaves, there can be some other devices up to 248 devices which sleeping."
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[11:36] <t3chguy> quote from SO
[11:36] <limbera_> yeah i saw that
[11:37] <limbera_> do you know much about the sleep state?
[11:37] <limbera_> does it require the whole auth connection process again?'
[11:37] <t3chguy> I've not done anything with BLE except using some BLE/Serial devices
[11:37] <t3chguy> didn't require me to venture into the protocol
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[11:37] <prohobo> how do you guys store used resistors?
[11:37] <prohobo> they're so tiny
[11:38] <t3chguy> prohobo: could be worse
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[11:38] <t3chguy> storing surface mount resistors, if you no longer have the reel
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[11:43] <prohobo> looks like im going to need a box for electronic parts
[11:44] <mgottschlag> especially given that one SMD resistor is <1ct, and the time required to find it and pull it out of the box is worth much more
[11:44] <t3chguy> gladly I only have one value of SMD Resistors
[11:44] <mgottschlag> yeah, one of those divided into lots of small compartments
[11:44] <mgottschlag> (@prohobo)
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[11:48] <t3chguy> 10ĸΩ has come in handy plenty times, soldered multiple to each other to make 5k,2k,20k etc lol
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[11:54] <SopaXorzTaker> Idea! use the DMA to transmit analog TV!
[11:54] <t3chguy> SopaXorzTaker: DMA?
[11:55] <t3chguy> also SopaXorzTaker https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSiRkpgwVKY
[11:56] <BurtyB> prohobo, I'd store used resistors in the (waste) bin
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[11:59] <prohobo> BurtyB: why would you throw them away?
[11:59] <t3chguy> resistors are pretty cheap
[12:00] <prohobo> ye
[12:00] <t3chguy> and used ones often have trimmed legs
[12:00] <t3chguy> so are less easy to use
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[12:03] <SopaXorzTaker> t3chguy, I have seen that
[12:03] <SopaXorzTaker> my idea comes from ir
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[12:05] <prohobo> why do we need so many freaking resistors
[12:05] <prohobo> it's insanity!
[12:08] <t3chguy> prohobo: you don't
[12:08] <mgottschlag> prohobo: you can get the whole E12 range from china for 10$
[12:08] <t3chguy> just get some key values
[12:08] <t3chguy> and you can then mix a few together to get close enough values
[12:08] <mgottschlag> but especially for digital electronics, all you ever need is 1k and 10k
[12:08] <mgottschlag> and rarely 100k
[12:08] <mgottschlag> (hm, is that the "E1" resistor ladder? :D)
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[12:09] <mgottschlag> 1k for LEDs, transistor base current limiting and short-circuit protection, 10k for pullups/pulldowns
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[12:10] <t3chguy> sometimes less for pullups/pulldowns, like 5K when working with high frequency I²C for example
[12:10] <t3chguy> 2 10ks in parallel should be fine though
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[12:12] <BurtyB> prohobo, at 0.1p it's really not worth it, tho I do have quite a collection of reels
[12:15] <SopaXorzTaker> We need to toggle a DMA at a rate of 2MHz
[12:15] <SopaXorzTaker> to get a PAL signal
[12:16] <SopaXorzTaker> *resolution of 128*625*
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[12:24] <gordonDrogon> SopaXorzTaker, can't you just use the composite video output?
[12:25] <ScrumpyJack> morning
[12:25] <gordonDrogon> waiting on a flour delivery now.
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[12:25] <SopaXorzTaker> gordonDrogon, and ruin all the fun?
[12:26] <ScrumpyJack> I need to test voltage on a GPIO. What are the GPIO pin states in powering the PI? Are they initialised and set to low, or high?
[12:26] <ScrumpyJack> (this is without and SD card inserted)
[12:26] <gordonDrogon> ScrumpyJack, at boot time they're normally inputs although some have pull-ups enabled.
[12:27] <gordonDrogon> or even power-on without the SD.
[12:27] <gordonDrogon> you should not assume any voltage at all, nor its state if you are controlling sensitive stuff - like garage doors for example, or pacemakers...
[12:28] <mgottschlag> t3chguy: yeah, indeed (actually, down to 2k for 400kHz I2C iird)... and I'd probably also want something like 150Ohm for brighter LEDs
[12:28] <mgottschlag> but I guess that's not really essential
[12:28] <ScrumpyJack> to test power, 2 and 4 need to be high on powering the Pi. is that the case?
[12:28] <mgottschlag> *iirc
[12:28] <gordonDrogon> ScrumpyJack, not sure what you mean by test power though.
[12:28] <gordonDrogon> (nor what "2 and 4" are)
[12:29] <ScrumpyJack> check power to pin 2 and 4
[12:29] <gordonDrogon> on the gpio connector?
[12:29] <ScrumpyJack> gordonDrogon: yeah you do :) http://pinout.xyz/pinout/pin2_5v_power
[12:29] <gordonDrogon> ok. these are hard-wired to the 5v supply.
[12:29] <gordonDrogon> when you plug the Pi in, these will be 5v.
[12:30] <gordonDrogon> (booted or not)
[12:31] <ScrumpyJack> cool. so they are on (high) by default?
[12:31] <gordonDrogon> well yes, but they are on because they're hardwired. there is no default because they're not controllable.
[12:32] <ScrumpyJack> I see. I thought you could turn them off.
[12:32] <gordonDrogon> only by umplugging the Pi.
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[12:32] <gordonDrogon> same for the 3.3v lines on the GPIO connector - e.g. pin 1 & 17
[12:33] <ScrumpyJack> i must have missunderstood the docs: GPIO outputs are easy; they are on or off, HIGH or LOW, 3v3 or 0v."
[12:34] <gordonDrogon> sure, but some of the gpio pins are hard-wired.
[12:34] <ScrumpyJack> the 5v pins?
[12:34] <gordonDrogon> 2 & 4 are hard wired to 5v, 1 & 17 are hard-wired to 3.3v. 6, 14, 20, 29, 33, 39, 25, 9 are hard wired to 0v.
[12:36] <ScrumpyJack> s/29/30?
[12:37] <gordonDrogon> yea.
[12:37] <gordonDrogon> delivery came. typed in a hurry.
[12:37] <ScrumpyJack> s/33/34? :)
[12:37] <ScrumpyJack> ignore me
[12:37] <gordonDrogon> just type: gpio readall
[12:38] <ScrumpyJack> when you mean hard-wired, I can still change the state right?
[12:39] <gordonDrogon> nope.
[12:39] <ScrumpyJack> so i can turn pin 4 off say.
[12:39] <ScrumpyJack> ok
[12:39] <gordonDrogon> hard wired means they are fixed and the only way to change them is with a soldering iron.
[12:39] <gordonDrogon> they are as fixed as a fixed thing with extra fixyness on-top.
[12:39] <ScrumpyJack> so this is very confusing now "GPIO outputs are easy; they are on or off, HIGH or LOW, 3v3 or 0v"
[12:40] <ScrumpyJack> 3v3 or 0v?
[12:40] <gordonDrogon> right. where are are reading this?
[12:40] <ScrumpyJack> clearly not?
[12:40] <ScrumpyJack> https://www.raspberrypi.org/documentation/usage/gpio/
[12:40] <gordonDrogon> right. it's just a comprehension issue.
[12:40] <gordonDrogon> the *usable* GPIO outputs are easy. They can be on or off - on means that they are at 3.3v, off means that they are at 0v.
[12:41] <ScrumpyJack> *usable*, ok
[12:41] <ScrumpyJack> so useble is anything that isn't 5v, 3v3 or ground?
[12:42] <gordonDrogon> s/usable/controllable/
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[13:50] <ScrumpyJack> ok, so 5v GPIO pins are fine according to my multimeter
[13:50] <ScrumpyJack> so why isn't my sense hat working on the A+
[13:51] <ScrumpyJack> same sense hat works fine on the RPi2
[13:51] <ScrumpyJack> (as does the traffic hat)
[13:51] <ScrumpyJack> same SD card shared between PIs
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[13:53] <ScrumpyJack> The sense hat initialises with a rainbow on the RPi2, but just a feeble blink of white LEDs on the A+
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[13:56] <shiftplusone> ScrumpyJack: try this https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=104&t=127655
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[13:58] <ScrumpyJack> shiftplusone: I'll take a closer look, but that doesn't explain why the TrafficHat deesn't work either. I can't light the LEDs on the A+ (fine on the B+)
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[14:13] <gordonDrogon> are you using the same PSU?
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[14:18] <ScrumpyJack> yes
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[14:24] <gordonDrogon> there goes that theory then.
[14:24] <gordonDrogon> I think you need to test the gpio on the A+ though.
[14:25] <gordonDrogon> somehow.
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[15:02] <Davespice> Just in case any of you haven't spotted this yet: https://astro-pi.org/updates/the-story-of-astro-pi/
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[15:12] <ScrumpyJack> gordonDrogon: I'm going to have another go with A+ and a blank SD card (as recommended by the seller)
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[15:23] <Berg> I wonder if i can get edds autograph?
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[15:40] <t3chguy> gordonDrogon: my Free Pi Zero pHat DAC Kit just arrived
[15:40] <t3chguy> Pimoroni didn't even save on the shipping, they went all out and sent it via DPD
[15:40] <ScrumpyJack> Free?
[15:40] <t3chguy> yes ScrumpyJack free
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[15:41] <t3chguy> Pimoroni gave away 4 kits during their last weekly live stream
[15:41] <t3chguy> for being first to answer a trivial question
[15:41] <t3chguy> the kits were of value £30 (x2), £25 and £18 and included Shipping
[15:42] <ScrumpyJack> heh, neat
[15:42] <t3chguy> I recommend them
[15:42] <t3chguy> they're entertaining
[15:42] <t3chguy> and free goodies are a great bonux
[15:42] <t3chguy> bonus*
[15:42] <t3chguy> on my 3rd Pi Zero WHOOOPs :P
[15:42] <ScrumpyJack> i want the ESP8266 pHAT
[15:44] <t3chguy> ScrumpyJack: they'll probably give one away next Live Stream
[15:44] <t3chguy> Thursdays around 3PM UK Time
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[15:46] <ScrumpyJack> thanks for the tip
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[15:49] <SgtJimmyRustles> How did you get a Pi Zero t3chguy?
[15:49] <SgtJimmyRustles> I thought they were sold out everywhere.
[15:49] <SgtJimmyRustles> And the only people who are selling are basically scalpers.
[15:49] <t3chguy> SgtJimmyRustles: I got one in Pimoroni's 2nd and 3rd batches via purchase
[15:49] <ali1234> in order for them to sell out someone has to buy them?
[15:49] <t3chguy> and got my 3rd in their giveaway
[15:49] <t3chguy> might get a 4th from a MagPi subscription
[15:49] <SgtJimmyRustles> So what's your plan for the Pi Zero?
[15:49] <t3chguy> (which is cheaper than most Pi Zeros on eBay)
[15:49] <t3chguy> I want 5-6, and building a small cluster of them
[15:49] <t3chguy> for distributed computing
[15:50] <t3chguy> same as ali1234's lol
[15:50] <t3chguy> ali1234: how many Zeros you on now?
[15:50] <ali1234> just one?
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[15:50] <t3chguy> aw
[15:50] <ali1234> i got better things to do than chase around the internet trying to buy pi zeros :)
[15:50] <SgtJimmyRustles> I read something today on the Raspberry Pi Reddit
[15:50] <t3chguy> I don't chase
[15:50] <SgtJimmyRustles> About this new $10 board called the Orange Pi.
[15:50] <t3chguy> mine are all from Pimoroni
[15:50] <t3chguy> SgtJimmyRustles: not new at all
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[15:51] <SgtJimmyRustles> Oh?
[15:51] <SgtJimmyRustles> Today was the first time I've ever heard of the Orange Pi.
[15:51] <SgtJimmyRustles> I think the Processor is supposed to be clocked faster than the Pi 2.
[15:51] <SgtJimmyRustles> But less ram.
[15:51] <t3chguy> and not as big a community
[15:51] <t3chguy> which is why the Pi thrives
[15:52] <DreadWingKnight> community definitely helps
[15:52] <t3chguy> there are much more powerful boards are similar prices, but you're pretty much on your own with them
[15:52] <t3chguy> s/are s/at s/
[15:52] <SgtJimmyRustles> Fair enough.
[15:52] <Bilby> community and dev support is why I love the Pi and think any feature shortcomings are just something to work within rather than a boundary to rage against
[15:53] <t3chguy> Bilby: gives you more of a challenge sometimes :P
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[15:54] <DreadWingKnight> "Challenges to overcome rather than obstacles to be avoided" - Data
[15:54] <SgtJimmyRustles> Changing subject, anyone know of a case similar to this one: https://www.adafruit.com/products/1892?gclid=CNWAzOLo1soCFYIfHwodNYINeA for the PI 2?
[15:54] <ck_mfc1> Hello everyone!
[15:55] <Bilby> OTHER than USB 3 and Gigabit ethernet, there’s nothing on the Pi that’s limiting until i’m at the point where I need an Atom-based SBC or something that size
[15:55] <ck_mfc1> Anyone familiar with LCD controller?
[15:55] <SgtJimmyRustles> I really want to build something with a Pi 2 and a Pi TFT with a case like that. More like a Squeezebox.
[15:55] <Bilby> and really, it’s just the USB 3
[15:55] <t3chguy> SgtJimmyRustles: most Pi B cases will fit a 2
[15:55] <t3chguy> B+ anyway
[15:55] <SgtJimmyRustles> Nah, this isn't the B+
[15:55] <t3chguy> ah
[15:55] <DreadWingKnight> that case is definitely original B layout (full sized sd cutout)
[15:56] <SgtJimmyRustles> Yep.
[15:56] <SgtJimmyRustles> But I haven't found any case similar to it.
[15:56] <DreadWingKnight> still have my original B
[15:56] <SgtJimmyRustles> I want it to stand up like that so it can be a Display for Internet Radio.
[15:56] <t3chguy> SgtJimmyRustles: https://shop.pimoroni.com/products/pitft-pibow
[15:56] <DreadWingKnight> the pibow kit doesn't give the right angle for your liking does it?
[15:56] <t3chguy> probably not
[15:57] <SgtJimmyRustles> Nah.
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[15:57] <DreadWingKnight> make a lego stand to adjust the angle?
[15:57] <ck_mfc1> I am looking for a display controller. Could anyone help me with it?
[15:57] <t3chguy> SgtJimmyRustles: https://www.pi-supply.com/product/modmypi-7-touchscreen-case-and-stand/?gclid=Cj0KEQiAoby1BRDA-fPXtITt3f0BEiQAPCkqQRsEW9enJPJvybSQSaIm7_ijmPA8FkX7O6zKNoeuKQUaAkWV8P8HAQ&v=79cba1185463
[15:57] <SgtJimmyRustles> Ironically DreadWingKnight, I own the SmartPi Lego case.
[15:57] <SgtJimmyRustles> As a spare case.
[15:58] <t3chguy> or you could go for the official touchscreen and Pimoroni's case for it
[15:59] <SgtJimmyRustles> I wanted a smaller touchscreen, that 3.5 inch size.
[15:59] <SgtJimmyRustles> Then again, I saw the GamerGirl project or something where it was the most beautiful Gameboy case i've ever seen.
[15:59] <SgtJimmyRustles> They basically made a Pi Gameboy and it wasn't the PiGirrl
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[16:01] <ck_mfc1> Do you have an idea where do I find a controller for this type of display connector: https://www.ifixit.com/Teardown/MacBook+Air+Models+A1237+and+A1304+Teardown/598#s3137
[16:01] <ck_mfc1> It is the connector in left corner of step 20.
[16:01] <SgtJimmyRustles> Which was this one t3chguy: http://imgur.com/a/8uO6E
[16:01] <t3chguy> ?
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[16:02] <Bilby> ck_mfc1: still working on that pi-in-a-macbook build?
[16:03] <ck_mfc1> Bilby: yes I am. I started to disassemble the MacBook. And was looking for a display controller
[16:03] <Bilby> no luck finding a controller based on the LCD model?
[16:04] <ck_mfc1> Bilby: not really. I found some. But I could not identify anything on the boards where I can connect the connector of the display.
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[16:05] <Bilby> it should be a standard ribbon connector just like the one that comes down from the display
[16:06] <t3chguy> its a Mac, there's not much thats widely standard
[16:06] <Bilby> during that era it was fairly standard though the Air was the first to really get custom
[16:07] <Bilby> ck_mfc1: what kind of connectors do the boards offer?
[16:07] <ck_mfc1> The connector is this one: https://www.ifixit.com/Teardown/MacBook+Air+Models+A1237+and+A1304+Teardown/598#s3137 on step 20
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[16:10] <ck_mfc1> I found many boards. But as I said. I dont know which to choose.
[16:11] <Bilby> I don’t know what that connector is called - it doesn’t look like a Zif socket, in fact it might be proprietary. What kind of sockets are you seeing on the boards?
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[16:12] <t3chguy> well Mac Pros from 2-4 years ago used a Mixture of Samsung and LG Screens I believed, on their Retina range anyway, so its gotta be something thats possible to find
[16:12] <jossypoo> hey, can someone answer a question for me?
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[16:13] <ck_mfc1> IPEX20347-330E-12
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[16:13] <jossypoo> i'm trying to make a few self contained tracking modules for a project i'm working on
[16:13] <ck_mfc1> That is the name of the connector
[16:13] <jossypoo> is a raspberry pi fast enough to do some basic hotspot detection with an IR camera?
[16:13] <jossypoo> 720p 60hz
[16:13] <jossypoo> basically just iterating over the image and identifying hotspots
[16:13] <jossypoo> with the noir camera
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[16:15] <jossypoo> anyone :(
[16:17] <Bilby> it should be sure
[16:17] <Bilby> it depends on what library or software you’re using
[16:18] <jossypoo> that.. sounds neither confident nor convincing, haha
[16:18] <jossypoo> well a naive implementation would probably work fine
[16:19] <Bilby> there are face tracking packages that work well - http://www.instructables.com/id/Pan-Tilt-face-tracking-with-the-raspberry-pi/
[16:19] <Bilby> different application but similar concept
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[16:21] <jossypoo> well that says that it identifies a face once per second at 320x240
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[16:21] <jossypoo> face detection is much more difficult than detecting hotspots though
[16:22] <Bilby> how often do you want it to detect?
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[16:24] <jossypoo> at 60hz
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[16:24] <jossypoo> and 720p
[16:24] <Bilby> unless it’s a super simple script i don’t know if you’re going to get it to run 60 times a second
[16:24] <Bilby> is the display really changing that fast?
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[16:25] <Bilby> with a Pi 2 B and good multi-threaded programming you should be able to do it, though
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[16:25] <jossypoo> eh, it's a small investment. i'll just buy the hardware and see how if it can pull it off
[16:25] <jossypoo> thanks for the advice
[16:25] <Bilby> yep
[16:25] <Bilby> welcome
[16:26] <starchild_> hi ! Can anyone help me ? Im running ubuntu mate on pi and have disabled overscan but cannot use full hd only 1824 ?
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[16:26] <SgtJimmyRustles> I'm no Audiophile, so how great is the difference between the Base Pi's sound output, and adding one of those HiFi Berry board addons with RCA Output.
[16:26] <DreadWingKnight> jossypoo: worst case if you're buying a pi, you can re-purpose it if it doesn't do what you want
[16:26] <t3chguy> SgtJimmyRustles: get a pHat DAC from Pimoroni
[16:26] <Habbie> SgtJimmyRustles, base pi or base pi2?
[16:26] <SgtJimmyRustles> Pi 2.
[16:26] <t3chguy> and the difference is Real DAC vs PWM + Smoothing
[16:26] <SgtJimmyRustles> pHat DAC?
[16:26] <t3chguy> SgtJimmyRustles: https://goo.gl/photos/Ge4zvfH95GaC8TAy8
[16:27] <Habbie> SgtJimmyRustles, as a non audiophile, switching from pi1 to pi2 fixed all my audio quality issues
[16:27] <t3chguy> got one for free today, its awesome
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[16:27] <t3chguy> even the Pi2 will have some Audio noise, due to the PWM -> Analogue circuitry not being perfect
[16:27] <t3chguy> so a real DAC will always sound better
[16:27] <SgtJimmyRustles> That's for the Zero.
[16:27] <Habbie> t3chguy, of course
[16:27] <t3chguy> SgtJimmyRustles: it fits on a 2 and B+
[16:27] <t3chguy> the pins are the same
[16:27] <t3chguy> its just the same size as the Zero
[16:27] <Bilby> SgtJimmyRustles: standard analog output is pretty gross. Works fine for lo-fi and background music but not anything you want to listen to and enjoy lol
[16:28] <SgtJimmyRustles> So, just using the base PI 2 sound output is fine?
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[16:28] <t3chguy> SgtJimmyRustles: "Though designed to match the format of the Raspberry Pi Zero it is compatible with all 40-pin GPIO Raspberry Pi variants (2/B+/A+/Zero).
[16:28] <SgtJimmyRustles> Do you use a USB to Analogue?
[16:28] <Bilby> a USB sound card works well for most applications, or an I2S DAC is best
[16:28] <t3chguy> src: https://shop.pimoroni.com/products/phat-dac
[16:28] <SgtJimmyRustles> Well t3chguy, any cases that support it?
[16:28] <t3chguy> SgtJimmyRustles: it normally sits on top of cases, such as the Pibow, as shown in my image
[16:29] <DreadWingKnight> the canadian shop buyapi has a case designed for those audio hats
[16:29] <t3chguy> but they are thinking of adding extension layers for PiBow cases and the pHat DAC
[16:29] <SgtJimmyRustles> Probably should.
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[16:30] <SgtJimmyRustles> I know it sounds dumb, but I'm not one for exposed circuitry.
[16:30] <t3chguy> SgtJimmyRustles: there's a lot of variables though
[16:30] <t3chguy> pin length, pin style (direct mount, female +male pair) RCA Connector or no RCA Connector
[16:30] <t3chguy> they can't really make a case to fit every person's choices
[16:30] <SgtJimmyRustles> So why is this one better than the HiFi Berry?
[16:30] <t3chguy> cheaper for one
[16:30] <t3chguy> smaller
[16:31] <SgtJimmyRustles> True.
[16:31] <SgtJimmyRustles> I think I would use it if I had a Pi Zero.
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[16:31] <t3chguy> spec wise they have the same specs
[16:31] <t3chguy> 192kHz, 24 bit DACs
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[16:31] <SgtJimmyRustles> You're right.
[16:31] <DreadWingKnight> SgtJimmyRustles: http://www.buyapi.ca/product/highpi-raspberry-pi-case-black/
[16:32] <SgtJimmyRustles> I rather like this case: https://www.pi-supply.com/product/hifiberry-case-plus-for-dac-plus-rca-and-digi-plus-black/?v=7516fd43adaa
[16:33] <ck_mfc1> Bilby: the connector must be this one http://en.esskabel.de/kabelkonfektion/datasheet/kab-fi-jh30c-0100li-11/37
[16:34] <swift110-phone> I want a raspi zero
[16:35] <t3chguy> Anyone have suggestions on removing pin spacers such as the two sets found here https://shop.pimoroni.com/products/gpio-header-for-raspberrypi-a-b-pi-2-tall-2x20-female-header
[16:35] <t3chguy> they're refusing to budge
[16:35] <ck_mfc1> swift110-phone: if you can help me solving my problem. I'll buy you one! :D
[16:35] <t3chguy> swift110-phone: https://goo.gl/photos/Ge4zvfH95GaC8TAy8
[16:35] <swift110-phone> What problem?
[16:36] <t3chguy> they're not hard to come by
[16:36] <t3chguy> you just have to be ready for when they get back in stock
[16:36] <swift110-phone> I checked there out if stock
[16:37] <t3chguy> Yes, because everyone is waiting for another batch
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[16:37] <t3chguy> they're not in continuous stock
[16:37] <t3chguy> but they don't disappear instantly
[16:37] <t3chguy> they take a few hours to go, not hard to catch them
[16:37] <Bilby> ck_mfc1: is that what’s on the driver boards or on the display? because it looks like what’s on the display
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[16:38] <Tenkawa> greetings all
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[16:38] <swift110-phone> Hey tenkawa
[16:38] <Tenkawa> whats new?
[16:38] <swift110-phone> Oh oo
[16:38] <swift110-phone> Hows the s&h
[16:39] <swift110-phone> I would love raspi magazine
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[16:40] <t3chguy> swift110-phone: get one then
[16:40] <t3chguy> a 3 month MagPi subscription includes Pi Zero
[16:41] <ck_mfc1> Bilby: its the connector of the Display
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[16:41] <ThUnD3r|Gr33n> .
[16:41] <Tenkawa> Bilby: here comes the fun weather again
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[16:42] <ck_mfc1> swift110-phone: I am looking for a LCD controller which I can connect to this display https://www.ifixit.com/Teardown/MacBook+Air+Models+A1237+and+A1304+Teardown/598#s3137 (step20)
[16:42] <swift110-phone> Oh i am new to this
[16:42] <ThUnD3r|Gr33n> .
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[16:43] <Bilby> Tenkawa: i know, right?
[16:43] <Bilby> ck_mfc1: I’m moderately sure that’s what most of the driver boards you’ll find will have - LVDS being the common driver being used
[16:43] <Tenkawa> yep...
[16:43] <Bilby> can you link me to an example?
[16:43] <Tenkawa> felt nice saturday though
[16:44] <Bilby> yeah it did
[16:44] <Bilby> yesterday too
[16:44] <Tenkawa> sunday I was indoors in an event all day so I missed it
[16:44] <Bilby> I did some woodwork in the garage and wife had the patio door open and did some cooking all day
[16:44] <Tenkawa> nice
[16:44] <Bilby> ep
[16:44] <Bilby> *yep
[16:44] <Tenkawa> I officially gave up on the MIPS CI20
[16:45] <Bilby> brb coffee refill
[16:45] <Tenkawa> i had to take back my second one in less than a month
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[16:47] <ck_mfc1> Bilby: aaah thats a LVDS display cable?
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[16:49] <Tenkawa> brb.. need to switch machines
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[16:51] <swift110-phone> Ok
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[16:53] <Dave666> Anyone here any good with stty? Got a problem with it translating character 0x13 to 0x10 in binary data coming through a serial port
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[17:01] <Tenkawa> better
[17:01] <Tenkawa> now I can try to work on my arm boxes
[17:01] <Tenkawa> heheh
[17:01] <Tenkawa> nice not to "need" an x86 box
[17:03] <drkhsh> i built a raspberry pi camera that works with motion detection at night/weekends (which sends the pictures to dropbox) and stream at daytime now :P
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[17:06] <Bilby> ck_mfc1: I’m pretty sure
[17:06] <Bilby> ck_mfc1: can you send me a link to a possible match?
[17:06] <t3chguy> damn
[17:06] <t3chguy> changing my mind
[17:07] <t3chguy> gonna desolder the 2x20 Male connector from my Zero
[17:07] <t3chguy> and stick a Female header on there
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[17:07] <gordonDrogon> that's different..
[17:07] <Bilby> that’s a lot of extra work x_x
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[17:09] <ck_mfc1> Bilby: http://www.ebay.de/itm/RT2270C-6-VGA-LCD-Controller-Board-DIY-Kit-Inverter-Keypad-LVDs-LCD-LED-driver-/151585817173?hash=item234b380255:g:zrQAAOSwg3FUiCQh
[17:09] <ck_mfc1> I think I have to ask the seller
[17:10] <t3chguy> well, it'd be worse if I wanted to desolder it and keep it intact
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[17:11] <Bilby> ck_mfc1: you can double-check with the seller but it looks like that third cable down in the photo is the matching connector for your display
[17:11] <t3chguy> or might not
[17:11] <t3chguy> hmm
[17:11] <t3chguy> can't make up my mind
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[17:11] <ck_mfc1> Bilby: seems so. thx
[17:11] <Bilby> you’re welcome, good luck :)
[17:12] <Bilby> by the way i’d go for one that supports HDMI rather than VGA
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[17:13] <ck_mfc1> yeah. dont wanna buy an extra adapter for vga to hdmi. you are right
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[17:13] <Bilby> plus space considerations and video quality. You’re going to have enough work cramming everythign into that shell already haha
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[17:14] <ck_mfc1> haha
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[17:25] <dbtid> greetings... it appears i cannot connect a rpi2 to another host via the USB. can someone confirm this? i've seen info about the older rpi's, but not specifically about the rpi2. thanks.
[17:25] <t3chguy> dbtid: connect for what purpose
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[17:25] <t3chguy> the MicroUSB is solely for Power on RPis other than A+ and Zero
[17:25] <dbtid> get information from one to the other.
[17:25] <t3chguy> ^^
[17:26] <dbtid> well, there are four USB2.0 ports.
[17:26] <t3chguy> those are Host ports
[17:26] <t3chguy> they cannot act as Slaves
[17:26] <dbtid> that's what i thought. and the microusb is for power, then, only.
[17:26] <t3chguy> yes
[17:26] <t3chguy> the SoC has OTG functionality
[17:26] <t3chguy> but due to it having an ethernet hub
[17:26] <t3chguy> it is not accessible
[17:26] <t3chguy> USB Hub + Ethernet rather
[17:26] <dbtid> that's not uncommon on SoC.s
[17:26] <dbtid> too few muxing options.
[17:27] <dbtid> thanks for the confirmation.
[17:27] <t3chguy> its not a muxing option
[17:27] <t3chguy> its, OTG or USB Hub
[17:27] <t3chguy> can't have both on a single USB Bus
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[17:29] <Bilby> ^
[17:30] <Berg> http://haighschocolates.com.au/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/Bilby-for-story1.jpg
[17:30] <Berg> his name is kevin
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[17:31] <Bilby> <_<
[17:32] <dbtid> ah ok
[17:34] <dbtid> a converter would be nice. something that would make the other side look like a slave and vice versa.
[17:34] <dbtid> not sure how possible that would be
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[17:38] <t3chguy> dbtid: not at all
[17:38] <t3chguy> well in theory, with a very specialized kernel mod
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[17:38] <t3chguy> you could have a middleman sort of approach
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[17:41] <dbtid> kind of what i was thinking. but i don't have the time to research it with everything else. thanks.
[17:41] <dbtid> ttyl
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[17:44] <t3chguy> I may have just done something unforgivable
[17:44] <t3chguy> drilled out the Pi Zero's holes a little bit
[17:44] <t3chguy> sick of the Pimoroni tiny nylon bolts wearing down, gonna use 1mm larger ones
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[17:45] <Berg> did you break the pi?
[17:45] <t3chguy> nah
[17:45] <t3chguy> still alive
[17:46] <t3chguy> well
[17:46] <Berg> then whats yto forgive
[17:46] <t3chguy> I'd assume so
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[17:46] <Berg> you dramatised it for conversation sake?
[17:46] <Berg> its good
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[17:46] <t3chguy> this pibow zero seems actually stable now
[17:47] <Berg> i used paperclips to join my female connector to make longer wires
[17:47] <t3chguy> the larger nylon bolts are really tight fit
[17:47] <t3chguy> so no wobble
[17:47] <t3chguy> lol
[17:47] <Berg> i tried solder the other day and i failed
[17:47] <t3chguy> ah
[17:47] <Berg> im a failure
[17:47] <t3chguy> I'd say get a decent soldering station
[17:47] <t3chguy> while not necessary, its useful
[17:47] <Berg> took me ages to work that out
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[17:48] <Berg> i have a solder iron i bourght in 1972 its been a good tool
[17:48] <t3chguy> need to drill out the holes in the DAC pHat
[17:48] <t3chguy> oh wow
[17:48] <Berg> i cant see why i need a new one
[17:48] <t3chguy> mine's just some Conrad Electronic TOOLCRAFT Cheapy
[17:48] <t3chguy> well, £100
[17:48] <Berg> hehehe
[17:49] <Berg> i forget how much i paid
[17:49] <t3chguy> 100W Iron
[17:49] <Berg> but im not unimpressed
[17:49] <Berg> it gets hot fast
[17:49] <t3chguy> Phil ( Gadgetoid ) has a good way of explaining how to solder
[17:49] <t3chguy> - Its not a paintbrush.
[17:50] <Berg> I learn to solder on iron roofs way back
[17:50] <Berg> then copper pipes was all the rage
[17:50] <Berg> :)
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[17:52] <Bilby> iirc there are USB devices that can do host-host connections for specific purposes
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[17:59] <t3chguy> phew done
[17:59] <t3chguy> these nylon bolts are perfect length
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[18:02] <t3chguy> now this is going to be some painful soldering
[18:02] <t3chguy> can't go too heavy on the solder or the male side of the male+female header will get obstructed
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[18:05] <Berg> im a bit afeared of the zero
[18:06] <t3chguy> whys that Berg
[18:06] <t3chguy> its pretty sturdy
[18:06] <t3chguy> less likely to snap than a regular pi, due to its lack of size
[18:06] <Berg> bad motor skills
[18:06] <Berg> my sons will do it if i ask
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[18:07] <Berg> im using thumb taks in timber for circuit boards
[18:07] <Berg> :)
[18:07] <t3chguy> ah
[18:07] <t3chguy> Berg: https://shop.pimoroni.com/products/gpio-header-for-raspberrypi-a-b-pi-2-tall-2x20-female-header
[18:07] <t3chguy> I just had to pull those 2 rows of plastic off that
[18:07] <t3chguy> half of the pins came out, was a nightmare
[18:07] <t3chguy> but it worked xD
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[18:08] <Berg> oo
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[18:08] <Berg> so you had them stablised from the back?
[18:08] <t3chguy> I had no patience to order and wait for an actual female+male long header
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[18:08] <t3chguy> Berg: its so I can stack more things on my Pi
[18:09] <t3chguy> I soldered that onto my pHat DAC
[18:09] <Berg> sound good
[18:09] <t3chguy> and now on top of that I have my little RTC
[18:09] <t3chguy> Berg: https://goo.gl/photos/vZLu3kW5nnoXkSRWA
[18:09] <Berg> whats with the double plastic is it female plugs underneth
[18:09] <t3chguy> yeah it is
[18:09] <t3chguy> its an extension essentially
[18:10] <t3chguy> 3 rows of plastic, top 2 are spacers
[18:10] <t3chguy> bottom is the female side
[18:10] <Berg> coolu need to solder that top board to the pins or is the cantact ok like that?
[18:10] <Berg> https://photos.google.com/share/AF1QipPWxrjFVBgx7D7_LD-Hcu0Y6sXbDMIyCgKBgDAeX_ff8m5fBL2JLxMNbOgjN8QWww/photo/AF1QipMipz6kCiAqOem9LJBkHM7BXv0-PO6L4Q_x5ajB?key=YzhlTFlPaWVQVkFyNE5qYlRhR1dYMm5tYTBtZE9R
[18:10] <Berg> oops
[18:11] <t3chguy> Berg: the top board has a female header on
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[18:11] <t3chguy> but I will eventually solder it straight on, looks a bit odd stood so high up
[18:11] <Berg> yeah
[18:11] <t3chguy> so yeah it contacts just fine, regular Male+Female mating
[18:11] <Berg> this is good
[18:12] <t3chguy> need to get my PiGlow first, that'll be going on this, then the RTC can just be stashed somewhere
[18:12] <t3chguy> thanks Berg
[18:12] <t3chguy> I haven't even tested the DAC yet
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[18:12] <Berg> im still working on my relay controller i running nout of power pins
[18:12] <Berg> have 2 light sensors paired of a 3v pin
[18:12] <t3chguy> Berg: why not get one of those tiny breadboards and use it for power/ground distribution
[18:13] <Berg> i could
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[18:13] <Berg> it may com to that anyway cause its starting to look like noodles in space
[18:13] <Berg> i wona add a voltage sensor and a heat sensor
[18:13] <t3chguy> I think i got 5 of the Mini breadboards from HK for 99p
[18:14] <t3chguy> sure its a bit of a wait
[18:14] <t3chguy> but the value is incredible
[18:14] <Berg> yeah i can get them from jaycar with male female wires
[18:14] <Berg> yeah
[18:14] <t3chguy> neat
[18:14] <t3chguy> need to hoover
[18:14] <Berg> we pay lot more here for cheap items
[18:14] <Berg> vaccum
[18:14] <t3chguy> yeah, as do I
[18:14] <Berg> uum
[18:14] <t3chguy> on this side of the pond its hoover
[18:14] <Berg> i know
[18:15] <t3chguy> if I go into Maplin, I can pay 10 times the price of something I can get from HK
[18:15] <Berg> well its not that bad here
[18:15] <Berg> on the net a sensor say cost 3 bucks in the shop maybe 12
[18:16] <Berg> but you have it instant
[18:16] <Berg> so if thats the need then its good
[18:16] <Berg> I should take a few more pics then you can laugh at my spaghette
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[18:18] <t3chguy> I definitely do sometimes buy from UK eBay
[18:18] <t3chguy> I don't really have anywhere around me that does a lot of things
[18:18] <t3chguy> Maplin barely has anything useful
[18:19] <t3chguy> UK eBay I'll end up paying probably double, but delivery within 2-3 working days
[18:19] <Berg> jaycar are ok but they dont stock any raspberry
[18:19] <t3chguy> so only if I'm in a rush or price difference isn't that gread
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[18:19] <t3chguy> Aussie?
[18:19] <Berg> i been nagging them top stck som
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[18:19] <Berg> yeah
[18:19] <t3chguy> cool!
[18:19] <Berg> no zero's in the country yet
[18:20] <t3chguy> that sucks
[18:20] <Berg> gona take a while i think
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[18:20] <Berg> could get them on ebay from the greedy yanks for 50 bucks plus post
[18:20] <t3chguy> that'd be silly
[18:21] <Berg> sure would but they trying to make a profit
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[18:21] <t3chguy> shame 3 month Worldwide subscription sold out
[18:21] <t3chguy> https://www.raspberrypi.org/magpi/subscribe/
[18:21] <t3chguy> you could have got one that way
[18:21] <t3chguy> could always get the 6mo if you fancy some MagPis :P
[18:22] <Bilby> MagPi had a brilliant move with tis
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[18:22] <Berg> i tried to order magpi
[18:22] <t3chguy> I almost bought a 3mo subscription
[18:22] <t3chguy> then I gave up
[18:22] <Berg> cant
[18:22] <t3chguy> as it has to be done over the phone
[18:22] <t3chguy> and thats too much effort
[18:22] <t3chguy> plus it was a weekend, so couldn't anyway
[18:22] <Berg> they dont deliver to aussie land
[18:23] <t3chguy> "Rest of the World" is very misguiding then
[18:23] <Berg> ooo the pain will robinson
[18:23] <Berg> what you call a koala with a shotgun?
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[18:24] <Berg> no takers ??? you call him *SIR*
[18:26] <gordonDrogon> t3chguy, there are alternatives to maplin...
[18:26] <t3chguy> gordonDrogon: not anywhere local to me :(
[18:26] <t3chguy> gotta love (hate) Blackpool
[18:26] <gordonDrogon> t3chguy, postal.
[18:26] <postaL> ?
[18:26] <t3chguy> XD
[18:26] <postaL> :P
[18:27] <t3chguy> postaL: I think you got beat by `over`
[18:27] <gordonDrogon> where's roger and out ?
[18:27] <t3chguy> gordonDrogon: I tend to order from various sellers in the UK via eBay too, about a 50:50 split between UK and CN/HK
[18:28] <gordonDrogon> t3chguy, almost always UK for me - buy british and all that - or in this case buy from a british co. who take the risk of doing the import and giving you sale of goods act & distance selling protection...
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[18:28] <SgtJimmyRustles> gordonDrogon: Are you saying you import all of your Pi stuff?
[18:28] <t3chguy> gordonDrogon: ebay and PayPal give you those protections anyway
[18:28] <gordonDrogon> SgtJimmyRustles, no - I'm saying I buy 99.9999% of stuff from a UK supplier.
[18:29] <SgtJimmyRustles> Are you located in the UK?
[18:29] <t3chguy> gordonDrogon: also DSR (Distance Selling Regulations) are now the Consumer Act
[18:29] <gordonDrogon> SgtJimmyRustles, Yes.
[18:29] <SgtJimmyRustles> Ah.
[18:29] <SgtJimmyRustles> I thought you were just importing all the stuff. My mistake.
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[18:30] <t3chguy> besides gordonDrogon - I'm a student, I could do with saving as much as possible :P
[18:30] <gordonDrogon> almost everything is imported in one way or another - most components are made in .cn, so even if you buy something made (assembled) in the UK, the bits still come in..
[18:30] <gordonDrogon> t3chguy, student? Hm. All the ones I know seem to be rolling in it...
[18:31] <gordonDrogon> actually then again, not down in Devon, but when I was in Bristol...
[18:31] <t3chguy> gordonDrogon: not with Uni fees at 9k and no more Grants starting the year I start Uni
[18:31] <gordonDrogon> old Bristol joke: how many Bristol uny. students does it take to change a lightbulb....
[18:31] <gordonDrogon> non. mummy buys them a new flat...
[18:31] <t3chguy> xD
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[18:32] <gordonDrogon> I went to uny in scotland where they still have free education.
[18:32] <t3chguy> neat
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[18:32] <Encrypt> Ah ah x)
[18:33] <Encrypt> University Fees hacking by gordonDrogon
[18:33] <Berg> i never went past 8th grade
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[18:33] <Berg> sad but true
[18:34] <gordonDrogon> I left uny 26-27 years ago.. After spending almost 8 years there...
[18:34] <Encrypt> In Plymouth, for postgraduate students, university fees cost £5,660
[18:34] <gordonDrogon> Encrypt, is that per year?
[18:35] <Encrypt> Yes
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[18:35] <Encrypt> For Home/EU students
[18:35] <gordonDrogon> ok
[18:35] <Encrypt> International students pay £13,000 :x
[18:35] <t3chguy> mine's 9k/year for 5 years
[18:35] <Encrypt> https://www.plymouth.ac.uk/study/fees/taught-postgraduate-students-2015-16
[18:35] <Berg> thats a lot of money hope it was worth it
[18:36] <t3chguy> Berg: starting this year xP
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[18:36] <Encrypt> This year is particularly expensive for me, since I am achieving a double degree
[18:37] <Encrypt> I have to pay my French school + Plymouth Uni + Accomodation
[18:37] <Berg> do you have a job?
[18:37] <t3chguy> Encrypt: how much do Plymouth charge undergrads?
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[18:37] <gordonDrogon> I guess its not easy being a normal student at uny these days. (and by normal I mean someone with no access to bank of mum & dad)
[18:38] <Berg> so normal is rare?
[18:38] <Encrypt> That is £5,900 (ESIEA) + £5,600 (Plymouth) + £3,950 (Accomodation)
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[18:38] <mgottschlag> yeah, how are people supposed to pay that?
[18:38] <TrekBike> I do miss school though.
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[18:38] <t3chguy> gordonDrogon: my family don't really give me money outside of what I need for education etc, though I know what you mean, as my girlfriend has literally everything bought for her by her dad :L
[18:38] <t3chguy> so yeah, Uni ain't as easy as it once was
[18:38] <mgottschlag> I paid <2000€btotal for 5 years of university
[18:38] <Berg> here you can defer it and pay after you start working
[18:38] <Encrypt> Berg, No, I saved everything that Santa gave me since I wa young :x
[18:39] <t3chguy> Berg: here too, student finances
[18:39] <Encrypt> Everything has vanished into smoke
[18:39] <Berg> gov loan
[18:39] <t3chguy> student finance is a loan from the govt
[18:39] <t3chguy> in the UK anyways
[18:39] <Berg> yep
[18:39] <Encrypt> Also, I had a 4-month internship this summer, and I earned €1,100 per month
[18:39] <Encrypt> So, that helped
[18:39] <Berg> here they talking about letting you pay it out of your superanuation
[18:40] <mgottschlag> germany did away with pretty much all university fees 4 years ago
[18:40] <Berg> thats one way they get hold of your retirement money i spose
[18:40] <t3chguy> I just do freelance software development to cover my hobbies of random electronics gizmos :P
[18:40] <Encrypt> t3chguy, https://www.plymouth.ac.uk/study/fees/tuition-fees/new-undergraduate-students-2015-16
[18:40] <Berg> make me a AI
[18:40] <Encrypt> £9,000 per year
[18:40] <Berg> one that says how hansom i am
[18:40] <t3chguy> yeah thought so Encrypt, the Max is £9k
[18:40] <t3chguy> I wonder how many Unis don't actually charge the Max
[18:41] <t3chguy> I'll be an undergrad later this year xP
[18:41] <Encrypt> For Home/EU students
[18:41] <t3chguy> at either Durham or York
[18:41] <Encrypt> :P
[18:41] <Berg> be like robin hood live in the forest and steal from the sheriff
[18:41] <t3chguy> gordonDrogon: what did you spend 8 years studying at Uni anyways?
[18:42] <TrekBike> I spent 10 years at school but I also worked nearly full time for the last 6 years.
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[18:42] <Encrypt> Apparently, according to recent interviews that I did, I can earn ~€2,400 (~£1,850) per month with my double-degree, once I get employed by these companies
[18:43] <t3chguy> Encrypt: degree in what?
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[18:43] <Encrypt> t3chguy, MSc Computer and Information Security (here in Plymouth) + Engineering degree in Computer Science & Electronics (ESIEA, France)
[18:43] <t3chguy> nice Encrypt
[18:44] <TrekBike> 2400 per month? Please tell me thats after taxes
[18:44] <t3chguy> I'm going to study Comp Sci, either Straight or with specialism in Microcontroller design
[18:44] <Encrypt> TrekBike, Yes, after taxes
[18:44] <Encrypt> In french, you'd say "net"
[18:44] <Encrypt> Checking reverso... :P
[18:44] <TrekBike> I was going to say, thats roughly the biweekly gross in the US
[18:45] <TrekBike> Assuming 1Euro is about $1.08 USD
[18:45] <Encrypt> Yeah, "tax free" is the correct translation (<.<)
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[18:45] <Encrypt> TrekBike, What does it mean?
[18:45] <TrekBike> Yeah thats roughly still the exchange rate
[18:45] <Encrypt> You'd earn that every two weeks?
[18:45] <TrekBike> Yes
[18:45] <Encrypt> Ok
[18:46] * Encrypt prepares his luggage to go to the USA
[18:46] <t3chguy> lol
[18:46] <Encrypt> :D
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[18:46] <TrekBike> But thats before they take tax out
[18:46] <t3chguy> except Uni costs in the US are crazy
[18:46] <at0m> here student loans are non-existent.
[18:46] <Berg> cost you for everything in USA no free lunch
[18:46] <Encrypt> TrekBike, Also, our systems don't work the same way
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[18:46] <at0m> govt pays studies long as you pass
[18:46] <Berg> you pay for a meal then have to spen d more on the waiter
[18:46] <Encrypt> TrekBike, I mean, considering the Healthcare service, retirement funds...
[18:47] <Encrypt> So, it's not really comparable
[18:47] <Berg> not realy
[18:47] <TrekBike> Healthcare was a lot cheaper before the government started meddling in it
[18:47] <Berg> obama care?
[18:47] <TrekBike> Yes
[18:48] <gordonDrogon> t3chguy, computing - then engineering computing - industrial control/flexible manufacturing systems...
[18:48] <Encrypt> €2,400 is actually a good wage in France, I guess
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[18:48] <Berg> thats politics and i hate it but him i make exception to rag on
[18:48] <Berg> hehehe
[18:48] <Encrypt> Even more as a "beginner"
[18:48] <TrekBike> My wife was a teacher. When Obamacare passed, her healthcare costs tripled.
[18:49] <Berg> we still have free healthcare in aussie
[18:49] <Berg> but they working on being like the usa
[18:50] <Tenkawa> I wish this lime2 box would cooperate
[18:50] <Tenkawa> heheh
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[18:50] <Berg> you uni folks should build a raspberry pi doctor
[18:50] <TrekBike> We had some friends come down from Canada, and their daughter needed to go to the hospital. They really preferred out hospitals to the canadian ones. The MRI was done right there, all the tests were done right there.
[18:50] <Tenkawa> if I could just get a few more pi zeros.....
[18:50] <Tenkawa> heehee
[18:51] <Berg> i built the optical fibre manufacturing machines so i done my bit
[18:51] <Berg> your turn
[18:51] <Tenkawa> hehe
[18:52] <TrekBike> most of my professional career was spent enabling people vices (gambling)
[18:52] <TrekBike> Now I just sell drugs
[18:52] <Tenkawa> do
[18:52] <Tenkawa> doh
[18:52] <Tenkawa> a new 4.5-rc
[18:52] <Tenkawa> time for more compiling
[18:53] <Berg> my last job before i retired was at perreli wires building yet another optical fibre plant
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[18:53] <TrekBike> I always seem to find jobs in the most highly regulated industries.
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[18:56] <TrekBike> I very nearly got a job working for a company that did security audits for government facilities. The hiring manager wanted me, but his boss wanted to promote from within because tehy didn't want the expensve of a top secret clearance.
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[18:58] <Berg> top secret is what my mums apple pie was
[18:58] <Berg> :)
[18:58] <Berg> i need coffee
[18:58] <t3chguy> O_O
[18:58] <t3chguy> This DAC actually sounds damn good
[18:58] <TrekBike> I need beer
[18:58] <t3chguy> like almost as good as my £100 SoundBlaster Z
[18:58] <Berg> TLA
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[18:59] <t3chguy> sounds better than the one in my ChromeCast Audio
[18:59] <Berg> afk
[18:59] <TrekBike> Sadly my boss would object to a nice cold beverage
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[19:01] <SgtJimmyRustles> t3chguy: This was the mini one you showed me?
[19:01] <t3chguy> SgtJimmyRustles: yeah
[19:01] <t3chguy> SgtJimmyRustles: it has the same chip as the HifiBerry thing
[19:01] <SgtJimmyRustles> How much better than chromecast audio?
[19:01] <t3chguy> SgtJimmyRustles: not much, very marginal but noticeable on my setup
[19:02] <SgtJimmyRustles> That was the PI Zero right?
[19:02] <t3chguy> well its for Pi B+, 2B and Zero
[19:02] <t3chguy> its essentially just a small HiFi Berry
[19:02] <t3chguy> same chip, same specs, same driver on the linux side
[19:02] <SgtJimmyRustles> The ChromeCast Audio also comes with Digital Audio Output as well as RCA and 3.5mm
[19:03] <t3chguy> I cannot speak for the CCA's Optical out, not got any speakers with Optical input
[19:03] <t3chguy> I could use the Optical in on my SoundBlaster Z and compare the audio quality between them
[19:03] <t3chguy> but its not as true a test
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[19:05] <prohobo> hey
[19:05] <prohobo> how do you how if you're using too much resistance for an LED?
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[19:05] <t3chguy> prohobo: use an ammeter
[19:05] <prohobo> i've got 3 LED's doing a sine wave, but the first one only goes ON/OFF
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[19:06] <SgtJimmyRustles> Hmm
[19:06] <t3chguy> hmm, mocp seems unable to control the volume of the Dac
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[19:07] <SgtJimmyRustles> Target was running a deal on the CC Audio with a Free $10 gift card.
[19:07] <prohobo> i dont have one t3chguy :|
[19:07] <t3chguy> prohobo: if you don't have a multimeter then you can't really measure much
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[19:07] <t3chguy> SgtJimmyRustles: don't get me wrong, the CCA is great
[19:07] <t3chguy> I use it almost every day
[19:07] <prohobo> i guess i should get one
[19:07] <t3chguy> SgtJimmyRustles: it does things the Pi can't do atm
[19:08] <SgtJimmyRustles> Well then prohobo, Target would be a good choice.
[19:08] <prohobo> lol
[19:08] <t3chguy> there's no FOSS Cast server thing
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[19:08] <SgtJimmyRustles> http://slickdeals.net/f/8467559-google-chromecast-2015-or-audio-10-gift-card-35-free-shipping
[19:09] <SgtJimmyRustles> Actually, they have it with either a $10 Best Buy, $10 Staples, or $10 B&H
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[19:09] <t3chguy> ah there we go, it was simply on the wrong ALSA Channel
[19:09] <t3chguy> MOCp can now control the volume Woo
[19:10] <t3chguy> SgtJimmyRustles: thats a decent deal
[19:10] <SgtJimmyRustles> Considering that's the normal price.
[19:10] <t3chguy> I simply got £20 google play credit with my regular chromecast 2015, nothing fancy with my Audio
[19:10] <Bilby> what’s the point of chromecast audio, doesn’t chromecast do music anyway?
[19:10] <t3chguy> Bilby: yes, but has no Audio output
[19:10] <SgtJimmyRustles> Chromecast Audio is for hooking up speakers.
[19:10] <SgtJimmyRustles> Regular Chromecast only has HDMI Output.
[19:10] <prohobo> ahh
[19:10] <t3chguy> and I don't feel like stashing a TV or HDMI->3.5mm for my Speakers
[19:11] <SgtJimmyRustles> I have the Original one. Back when they were doing a free year of Netflix.
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[19:11] <Bilby> aha
[19:11] <t3chguy> SgtJimmyRustles: a year of free netflix O_O
[19:11] <Bilby> wow, that’s super cheap of them
[19:11] <SgtJimmyRustles> Yeah.
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[19:11] <SgtJimmyRustles> With the original one.
[19:11] <t3chguy> I have the Original one
[19:11] <DreadWingKnight> the "chromecast audio" device is basically speaker-level output iirc
[19:11] <t3chguy> had it for ages, never happened
[19:11] <DreadWingKnight> with 3.5mm headphone jack
[19:11] <DreadWingKnight> instead of hdmi for the regular chromecast
[19:11] <t3chguy> DreadWingKnight: and an Optical TOSLINK Output
[19:11] <Bilby> speaker level or line level? it has an amp?
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[19:11] <Encrypt> I've seen splitter
[19:11] <SgtJimmyRustles> Wait
[19:11] <SgtJimmyRustles> I was wrong
[19:12] <SgtJimmyRustles> 3 months.
[19:12] <SgtJimmyRustles> My fault.
[19:12] <Bilby> are user controls the same?
[19:12] <t3chguy> Bilby: yeah, through compatible apps
[19:12] <t3chguy> though annoyingly it can't stream the Music from Youtube videos
[19:12] <Bilby> huh
[19:12] <SgtJimmyRustles> You can also just have it cast all the audio out of your phone.
[19:12] <t3chguy> yeah
[19:12] <Bilby> i guess if all you want is music it could be okay
[19:12] <DreadWingKnight> user controls for both chromecast types are identical, remote from supported apps
[19:12] <t3chguy> its great for Spotify and TuneIn Radio
[19:12] <Bilby> and cheaper than a distributed network audio system if you have a big building
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[19:12] <Encrypt> Something like that: http://www.dx.com/p/hdmi-splitter-digital-audio-converter-analog-audio-decoder-black-yellow-1-in-2-out-245943#.Vq-gAj8ZneQ
[19:12] <Bilby> can it stream arbitrary m3u playlists?
[19:12] <t3chguy> I think PlayStation 3/4 acts as a Cast Server
[19:13] <t3chguy> Bilby: depends if an app exists to do it, most likely
[19:13] <Encrypt> I agree that it's not worth it considering the price of the Chromecast Audio / Chromecast standard :P
[19:13] <t3chguy> the Audio should be cheaper than the regular
[19:13] <t3chguy> less use cases
[19:13] <Bilby> and the regular should come with the outputs
[19:13] <Bilby> so you’re not chosing either/or
[19:13] <t3chguy> thats a good point
[19:13] <t3chguy> that'd fix both issues
[19:14] <t3chguy> that'd allow you to stream Youtube simply for the Audio
[19:14] <Bilby> if they can stream m3u reliably i could totally use them as a budget paging system lol
[19:14] <t3chguy> Bilby: https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/flair-player/mpkhmenokpjamhajlajnldibdjkacgcp?hl=en
[19:14] <Bilby> I was a little annoyed my blu-ray player didn’t have analog out for my old-school shelf stereo, but i just routed it out the headphone jack in the TV so no big deal
[19:14] <t3chguy> that claims to
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[19:15] <mgottschlag> t3chguy: for a second, I thought that the "mpkh...." was the plugin name
[19:15] <mgottschlag> (in the URL)
[19:15] <t3chguy> lol
[19:15] <mgottschlag> would have been a pretty good name
[19:15] <mgottschlag> there certainly are no othe google hits for that name yet
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[19:15] <Bilby> I’d looked at using multiple raspberry pis for the task
[19:15] <Bilby> or cheap android phones with custom launchers
[19:15] <Bilby> but this would be much more simple if it’s reliable
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[19:16] <Encrypt> t3chguy, http://www.hdtvsupply.com/hdmi-audio-extractor.html
[19:16] <Encrypt> $239 x)
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[19:16] <t3chguy> exactly Encrypt, they're stupidly pricy
[19:17] <t3chguy> LOL "(You Save: 4%)"
[19:17] <Encrypt> xD
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[19:17] <Encrypt> t3chguy, It's cheaper to buy a small TV that you'd use as a splitter :P
[19:17] <t3chguy> yep Encrypt
[19:17] <Encrypt> Crazyness
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[19:17] <Encrypt> s/y/i
[19:18] <Bilby> I mean, it’s still not cheap cheap but http://www.monoprice.com/product?p_id=10251 $46.21
[19:18] <Bilby> HDMI in, all format out
[19:18] <t3chguy> get a 2nd hand broken TV
[19:18] <t3chguy> rip out the Audio circuitry
[19:18] <t3chguy> Win?
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[19:25] <SgtJimmyRustles> What is m3u?
[19:25] <SgtJimmyRustles> Ah Playlist
[19:25] <DreadWingKnight> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M3U
[19:26] <Chillum> i wish more players supported the extended m3u options
[19:26] <Chillum> vlc does, totem does not
[19:26] <Chillum> like creating playlists of snippets from many clips
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[20:21] <ScrumpyJack> i'm trying to do a simple switch (button + led) using gpiozero -> st.ilet.to/switch
[20:22] <ScrumpyJack> but a button press sometimes doesn't switch the led on
[20:22] <ScrumpyJack> what am i doing wrong?
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[20:24] <ScrumpyJack> i think i need a wait for release otherwise it just loops while the button is being pressed
[20:25] <ScrumpyJack> yip, that was it
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[20:47] <Numin0us> fd
[20:48] <SgtJimmyRustles> Is Usenet really worth it? I was considering using that Service with that SickRage program, but I wasn't sure.
[20:49] <ScrumpyJack> Usenet, as in nntp?
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[20:58] <SgtJimmyRustles> Usenet Groups I think.
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[21:09] <gordonDrogon> ScrumpyJack, switch bounce.
[21:09] <gordonDrogon> SgtJimmyRustles, I use usenet most days...
[21:10] <gordonDrogon> it's still there, still going... won't die - at least for another few decades yet ...
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[21:14] <GreeningGalaxy> anyone know how to make mocp shut up about "...TERMINAL TOO SMALL..." on small displays?
[21:14] <GreeningGalaxy> it works *fine* if I launch it in screen from another computer with a larger display, detach, and then attach from the pitft, but for some reason it refuses to work when I just start it from the pitft
[21:15] * ShorTie Thinkz, get a bigger screen .. :/~
[21:15] <Tenkawa> or reduce the fontsize
[21:15] <GreeningGalaxy> well, since It works with the screen trick, I know for a fact that there's a better way than that
[21:16] <GreeningGalaxy> is there a way to pass false terminal size parameters to a program when it starts?
[21:17] <GreeningGalaxy> AFAICT mocp only cares about the initial terminal size. once I attach to its screen session and resize it down, it stays working.
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[21:27] <Drzacek> Hi. Anyone knows how much shipping from thepihut and/or pimoroni to germany cost?
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[21:34] <H__> Drzacek: same as for .nl i presume: gbp 3.50
[21:34] <Drzacek> H__, thanks
[21:34] <GreeningGalaxy> I found a solution - staring mocp in screen using -d -m starts it in detached mode and gets around the size checking
[21:35] <GreeningGalaxy> still a kludge, but not as big a kludge as having to use an entire other computer just to start the thing
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[21:47] <Bilby> you know it’s a slow day at work when you can play Portal 2 for a good 45 minutes with no interruption
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[21:50] <t3chguy> lol Bilby
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[21:59] <Tenkawa> compile compile compile....
[21:59] <Tenkawa> i hope this build works hehehehh
[21:59] <Tenkawa> at least it doesnt take 18 hours like some of the compiles I use to run on a product
[22:00] <t3chguy> gordonDrogon: you've had your blog a while, could you do me a favour and give me your opinion on mine (very recently spun up)
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[22:03] <Polymorphism> https://www.coconauts.net/blog/2014/09/03/send-readings-from-arduino-to-raspberry-via-radio/
[22:03] <Polymorphism> I'm not receiving anything on the pi, any ideas?
[22:03] <Polymorphism> I followed the tutorial closely and I've double checked wiring
[22:03] <Polymorphism> I can triple check wiring, but could it be somehting else?
[22:03] <Polymorphism> -Encapsulation
[22:05] <Polymorphism> The arduino says transmitting in serial monitor
[22:05] <Polymorphism> rpi shows the debug info
[22:05] <Polymorphism> but nothing after that
[22:05] <ali1234> that guide does not cover enabling spi on the raspberry pi
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[22:10] <t3chguy> I really need to set something up for gracefully shutting down my pi via a jumper or something
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[22:12] <DreadWingKnight> t3chguy: listen on a gpio pin then running a graceful shutdown for example? yeah, sometimes those are important
[22:13] <t3chguy> DreadWingKnight: yeah thats what I had in mind
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[22:13] <t3chguy> currently debating using wiringPi or RPi.GPIO for it
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[22:14] <t3chguy> I use my PiZero (#1 of 3) with pHat DAC as a USB Gadget, sometimes the USB Cable or port freaks and power remains but Data is lost, and for whatever reason the Pi doesn't happily remain a slave
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[22:18] <t3chguy> whats the strength (Resistance) of the internal pullups in the Pi?
[22:19] <t3chguy> I'm wondering how bad an idea it is having an internal pullup enabled and shorted to ground 99% of the time
[22:20] <ali1234> t3chguy: that functionality is built in to the linux kernel
[22:20] <t3chguy> ali1234: what functionality>
[22:20] <ali1234> shutting down the system when a gpio is pulled
[22:20] <t3chguy> ali1234: link?
[22:21] <ali1234> https://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/gpio/drivers-on-gpio.txt
[22:21] <ali1234> you would enable it with a device tree overlay
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[22:21] <ali1234> i was thinking of sending a pull request for it actually
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[22:22] <t3chguy> am I right in thinking the Pi has both internall pull ups and pull downs?
[22:22] <ali1234> yes
[22:22] <t3chguy> also ali1234 would I be able to use that in conjunction with an internal pull up and when I pull it to ground, shutdown?
[22:23] <SpaceBebop> ugh, why must the pi's graphic stack be so confusing
[22:23] <Tenkawa> yay compile finished
[22:23] <ali1234> sure, you can have it trigger on whatever edge you want
[22:23] <ali1234> here is my pull request for i2c-gpio, for poweroff-gpio it would be very similar: https://github.com/raspberrypi/linux/pull/1183
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[22:24] <ali1234> also http://lxr.free-electrons.com/source/Documentation/devicetree/bindings/gpio/gpio-poweroff.txt
[22:24] <t3chguy> ali1234: https://github.com/raspberrypi/linux/issues/1031
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[22:26] <truckcrash> lol. The topic for this channel seems so religious
[22:26] <sir_galahad_ad> o/
[22:26] <ali1234> huh, interesting. my kernel doesn't have that overlay but it has i2c-gpio
[22:26] <sir_galahad_ad> what just because it uses the word blessed?
[22:27] <ali1234> t3chguy: there's no overlay for it in arch/arm/boot/dts/overlays
[22:28] <truckcrash> "blessed" and "the ONE" in all caps
[22:28] <t3chguy> weird
[22:28] <ali1234> oh wait ther eis, it's just got a silly name
[22:28] <truckcrash> thats all :P
[22:28] <t3chguy> xD ali1234
[22:28] <sir_galahad_ad> Bilby: that reminds me of the sign from commander keen :P
[22:28] <t3chguy> whats the name?
[22:28] <ali1234> gpio-poweroff-overlay
[22:28] <t3chguy> lol
[22:28] <Bilby> ahaha, that takes me back
[22:28] <ali1234> it should be poweroff-gpio-overlay in my opinion
[22:28] <t3chguy> so ali1234, I load that, then what
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[22:28] <Tenkawa> success!!!!
[22:28] <Tenkawa> yya
[22:29] <Tenkawa> er yay
[22:29] <sir_galahad_ad> when you have the one room in the lvl and the sign "BEHOLD THE HOLY POGO"
[22:29] <ali1234> t3chguy: you set the overrides gpiopin=<number> active_low=1 or 0
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[22:30] <t3chguy> ali1234: 1) where - 2) where would I set a pulldown - as you may have noticed, I've not used my Raspberry Pi much...
[22:30] <Bilby> Tenkawa: I see sunshine through my camera
[22:30] <ali1234> t3chguy: in /boot/config.txt: dtoverlay=gpio-poweroff,gpiopin=10,active_low=0
[22:30] <Tenkawa> Bilby: indeed.. and it is good
[22:30] <Tenkawa> i am soaking up as much as possible
[22:31] <ali1234> i think it should set the pull resistor for you
[22:31] <Bilby> jealous… wish i was outside
[22:31] <Tenkawa> I'm just sitting in fromt of a really big window
[22:31] <ali1234> maybe it won't actually
[22:32] <Bilby> there’s a meeting room with big windows here but i’m always paranoid if i go there to do some work people will end up calling me over and over
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[22:35] <ali1234> ah okay. by default, the gpio is initialized as an output in it's inactive state
[22:35] <ali1234> which means it wont work
[22:35] <ali1234> so then you can use some userspace code to configure the pull resistor and set it as an input
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[22:36] <Xark> ali1234: Really? Seems a mistake they don't start in high-impedance input state...
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[22:36] <ali1234> configure the reset gpio as a high impedance input? you don't see the problem with that?
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[22:39] <Xark> ali1234: Not really...reset is typically an input, isn't it?
[22:39] <Xark> ali1234: Hi-Z is generally the "safest" default state for a GPIO.
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[22:41] <ali1234> and if nothing is connected to the pin, what happens?
[22:42] <Bilby> oh yay, that software was running
[22:43] <Bilby> 267 MB of XML in ~ 400 paginated API calls. woo
[22:43] <ozzzy_> XML is evil
[22:44] <Bilby> it was the easiest way for me to serialize data out and back in to objects
[22:44] <t3chguy> ali1234: userland thing seems to be working `gpio -g mode 26 up`
[22:44] <Bilby> and it’s no worse than JSON or anything else haha
[22:44] <t3chguy> now the moment of truth
[22:44] <t3chguy> yeah ali1234 that failed xD
[22:45] <sir_galahad_ad> ozzzy_: evil seems a bit strong
[22:45] * Tenkawa still remembers writing stuff for xml parsing
[22:45] <ali1234> t3chguy: set it as an input too?
[22:45] <Tenkawa> back in the mid 90's
[22:45] <Tenkawa> heheh
[22:45] <t3chguy> ali1234: does that command not already do that?
[22:45] <Bilby> I’m using an API library provded by eBay in .NET / C#. It’s not perfect but it was a lot easier than reinventing the rabid badger
[22:45] <ali1234> probably not
[22:46] <ozzzy_> XML makes cthulhu look like a kitten
[22:46] <Tenkawa> haahaaa'
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[22:46] <Tenkawa> ozzzy_: thats funny
[22:46] <t3chguy> ali1234: it does
[22:46] <ozzzy_> [grin]
[22:46] <t3chguy> I can read it via gpio read
[22:46] <flobin> hi everyone—I just got my raspberry pi and I was messing around with the screen resolutions in /boot/config.txt, and now my screen is all black
[22:47] <sir_galahad_ad> <ia ia="Cthulhu ftagn" />
[22:47] <flobin> how can I resolve this, with the added hurdle that I don't have wifi on it, or an ethernet cable (well I do, but my laptop doesn't have an ethernet port)
[22:48] <flobin> is it possible to do from the pi itself, with a non-working screen? I'm guessing no, but figured it wouldn't hurt to ask
[22:48] <Bilby> not unless you know where you were and know exactly the keystrokes haha
[22:48] <flobin> hah, yeah
[22:48] <Bilby> pull the SD and update it in anther system
[22:48] <DreadWingKnight> flobin: if you have it on a wireless network but plugged in wired
[22:48] <DreadWingKnight> you should still be able to ssh into it
[22:48] <flobin> sadly, neither is the case
[22:49] <t3chguy> ali1234: should dmesg say anything about the poweroff overlay?
[22:49] <flobin> I think i'll just wait for my ethernet adapter / wifi dongle to arrive then :)
[22:49] <ali1234> t3chguy: no, overlays are merged into the device tree by the bootloader
[22:49] <flobin> oh, lastly, is it safe to power off by just pulling out the power?
[22:49] <t3chguy> flobin: no, but most of the time nothing bad will happen
[22:49] <Bilby> run a small chance of corrupting the SD
[22:50] <Bilby> but it’s pretty minor
[22:50] <ali1234> t3chguy: however you can see the whole dt in /proc/
[22:50] <Bilby> flobin: you don’t have an SD card reader on another box?
[22:50] <ali1234> /proc/device-tree/
[22:50] <flobin> Bilby oh, right, I could just edit the file on the sd card from my laptop
[22:50] <t3chguy> ali1234: what do you suggest I check?
[22:50] <Bilby> :)
[22:50] <flobin> can I just pull out the sd card without unmounting it though?
[22:50] <ali1234> t3chguy: there should be something on dmesg about poweroff-gpio being loaded
[22:51] <t3chguy> /proc/device-tree/power_ctrl
[22:51] <t3chguy> ali1234: and there isn't
[22:51] <t3chguy> dmesg | grep -i power - returns nothing
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[22:53] <Bilby> flobin: unplug power = unmounted card
[22:53] <ali1234> yeah, actually this driver doesn't print anything
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[22:58] <Bilby> is it supposed to not print anything?
[22:58] <t3chguy> ali1234: any ideas on figuring out where its going wrong?
[22:59] <ali1234> add printk to the driver and recompile
[22:59] <Tenkawa> whats the discussion? (I missed the beginning)
[22:59] <t3chguy> lol
[22:59] <ali1234> make sure you didn't typo the device tree stuff
[22:59] <ali1234> consult the bootloader log
[23:00] <Tenkawa> oh.. is this the screen res no boot q?
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[23:00] <t3chguy> ali1234: see any typos? "dtoverlay=gpio-poweroff,gpiopin=26,active_low=1"
[23:01] <ali1234> vcdbg log msg
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[23:03] <t3chguy> ali1234: looks successful
[23:03] <t3chguy> 001063.640: Loaded overlay 'gpio-poweroff'
[23:03] <t3chguy> 001063.658: dtparam: gpiopin=26
[23:03] <t3chguy> 001064.188: dtparam: active_low=1
[23:03] <t3chguy> just to confirm, gpiopin should be the BCM pin number, right?
[23:03] <ali1234> yes
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[23:04] <t3chguy> yeah, I'm using that pin and shorting it to the ground below it
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[23:05] <Tenkawa> more kernel tuning we go
[23:06] <Tenkawa> is usb2/3 3.3v btw?
[23:06] <Polymorphism> ali1234: still no luck =\
[23:06] <t3chguy> ali1234: imma test active high
[23:07] <ali1234> i got nothing
[23:07] <ali1234> i'll put testing this on my to-do list, but it's a couple of months long at the moment
[23:08] <Tenkawa> Polymorphism: what are you trying to get working?
[23:08] <t3chguy> it may be rebooting randomly now lol
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[23:09] <ali1234> t3chguy: sounds like progress
[23:10] <t3chguy> ali1234: not good progress. It'll take me a while to take the case apart to get at the SD
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[23:11] <ali1234> yeah those cases are annoying
[23:12] <ali1234> you could always just put a pull resistor on the pin
[23:12] <t3chguy> ali1234: especially considering I put bigger bolts through it
[23:12] <Tenkawa> what type of pi?
[23:12] <t3chguy> Well I can try shorting the pin to 3v3 and gnd and see if either let it live
[23:12] <t3chguy> Tenkawa: zero
[23:13] <Tenkawa> t3chguy: ahh.. I found one from microcenter that is wood/woodlike with a heatsink that allows really good access
[23:13] <t3chguy> Tenkawa: images at the bottom of https://bit.ovh/2016/01/29/Pimoroni/
[23:14] <Tenkawa> ok.. let me take a look
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[23:16] <_mak> hi there
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[23:17] <Tenkawa> wow that is space restrictive isnt it?
[23:17] <t3chguy> Tenkawa: lol
[23:17] <_mak> I'm trying to get my new wifi dongle up (rtl8188cus) and I have it listed on lsusb, and the driver is loaded on lsmod, but when I try to bring the wlan1 up it says 'no such device'
[23:17] <_mak> I've configured wlan1 in the interfaces file
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[23:18] <Tenkawa> the one I'm using definitely left more room for movement/parts
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[23:18] <Tenkawa> _mak: do an ifconfig -a
[23:18] <_mak> I tried that, nothing comes up
[23:18] <Tenkawa> does it list it as something like wlanx646467utd
[23:18] <Tenkawa> does wlan1 actually show up
[23:18] <_mak> only lo, eth0 and wlan0 which is the small dongle
[23:18] <_mak> wlan1 does not show up
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[23:19] <Tenkawa> does dmesg give any messages about firmware?
[23:19] <_mak> it does
[23:19] <Tenkawa> it might not be loading it
[23:19] <_mak> manufacter, etc
[23:20] <_mak> all correct
[23:20] <Tenkawa> hmmm
[23:20] <Tenkawa> no errors
[23:20] <Tenkawa> ?
[23:20] <_mak> but the device is showing on lsusb
[23:20] <_mak> no errors
[23:20] <Tenkawa> what distrib?
[23:20] <t3chguy> ali1234: testing shorted to GND
[23:21] <t3chguy> ali1234: yep
[23:21] <t3chguy> worked
[23:21] <t3chguy> looks like the pulldown isn't in effect soon enough
[23:21] <Tenkawa> _mak: what linux distrib?
[23:21] <t3chguy> so it shuts down before userland
[23:21] <ali1234> odd. i wonder why they didn't leave the default behaviour
[23:21] <_mak> Tenkawa: hmm uname gives me linux 4.1.17-v7+
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[23:21] <_mak> how can I see the distro
[23:21] <Tenkawa> _mak: raspbian?
[23:22] <_mak> yes, I guess so
[23:22] <Tenkawa> ok
[23:22] <Tenkawa> look in /etc/udev/rules.d
[23:22] <Tenkawa> do you have a 70-persistent-net.rules?
[23:22] <_mak> no
[23:22] <Tenkawa> ok
[23:22] <_mak> just scratch rules and com rules
[23:22] <Tenkawa> tail -f /var/log/kern.log and
[23:23] <Tenkawa> remove and reconnect the nic
[23:23] <Tenkawa> what activity shows up
[23:23] <Tenkawa> I feel like I've seen this recently however just can't place it
[23:23] <t3chguy> ali1234: what is the default behaviour?
[23:24] <t3chguy> I'm guessing the pin just floats and so hits close enough to 3v3 to trigger the reset
[23:24] <ali1234> t3chguy: the default behaviour is to initialise the gpio as an input before registering the handler
[23:24] <t3chguy> ah
[23:24] <ali1234> sorry as an output
[23:24] <ali1234> then it doesn't matter what is connected to it
[23:24] <_mak> usb disconnect device number 7..
[23:24] <_mak> new high-speed use device number 9 using dwc_otg
[23:24] <_mak> ...
[23:24] <_mak> no errors
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[23:24] <t3chguy> no idea
[23:24] <t3chguy> I might just leave it
[23:24] <t3chguy> if you do end up testing it do let me know
[23:25] <t3chguy> I might do a solution entirely in userland
[23:25] <_mak> @Tenkawa
[23:25] <Tenkawa> _mak: that still sounds like a missing (or option missing) kernel driver
[23:25] <t3chguy> oh wait
[23:25] <t3chguy> ali1234:
[23:25] <t3chguy> just found a forum thread by the guy who got it added
[23:25] <t3chguy> `active_low="y"`
[23:25] <Tenkawa> like it didnt have the right subcard selected
[23:25] <t3chguy> maybe it wants that rather than a 1
[23:25] <ali1234> maybe
[23:26] <Tenkawa> what kind of nic did you say it was again?
[23:26] <ali1234> watch out though
[23:26] <ali1234> the readme says that will cause an endless reboot loop
[23:26] <_mak> Tenkawa: rtl8188cus
[23:26] <Tenkawa> ahhhh
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[23:26] <ali1234> i'm not 100% convinced
[23:26] <ali1234> but wouldn't be surprised at this point
[23:26] <Tenkawa> _mak: the rtl8188cu can be tricky..
[23:26] <t3chguy> ali1234: https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=107&t=113789&start=25
[23:27] <_mak> Tenkawa: but it does appear in the lsusb (if that means anything)
[23:27] <Tenkawa> that only means the bus sees a piece of hardware
[23:27] <_mak> Tenkawa: and I have the module 8192cu loaded
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[23:28] <Tenkawa> you need a specific one
[23:28] <Tenkawa> check out this link and see if it sounds applicable
[23:29] <Tenkawa> theres something odd with that combination
[23:29] <Polymorphism> Tenkawa: trying to communicate between rpi + arduino using NRF24l01
[23:29] <Polymorphism> https://www.coconauts.net/blog/2014/09/03/send-readings-from-arduino-to-raspberry-via-radio/
[23:29] <Polymorphism> no luck
[23:29] <Polymorphism> same issue as some comments
[23:29] <Tenkawa> _mak: i cant copy and paste so getting this link from google is annoying
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[23:30] <Tenkawa> ok
[23:30] <_mak> Tenkawa: what's the search query
[23:30] <Tenkawa> http://kee520.blogspot.com/2014/05/raspberry-pi-rtl8188cu-usb-dongle.html
[23:31] <Tenkawa> does that bring up an article about the rtl8188
[23:31] <_mak> Tenkawa: it does
[23:31] <Tenkawa> see if that helps
[23:31] <_mak> I'll check it
[23:31] <_mak> thanks mate!
[23:31] <Tenkawa> it definitely talks about blacklisting a module and tweaking
[23:32] <Tenkawa> good luck.. hopefully it will work
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[23:35] <Tenkawa> Polymorphism: unfortunately I havent dealt with those pieces of hardware yet
[23:35] <t3chguy> Polymorphism: try with that: http://tmrh20.github.io/RF24/
[23:35] <t3chguy> I use that lib personally and have had no issues at all
[23:35] <Tenkawa> I use to do a lot of rf stuff however it was a long time ago
[23:36] <Polymorphism> t3chguy: thatas the lib I'm using
[23:36] <Polymorphism> I'll be back anohter time perhaps you can help me figure out whats wrong
[23:36] <Polymorphism> I have to go for now
[23:36] <t3chguy> Polymorphism: report it as an issue
[23:36] <t3chguy> one of the maintainers will help you out
[23:36] <Polymorphism> what?
[23:36] <Polymorphism> I'm just trying to get an example working
[23:36] <t3chguy> Polymorphism: on the github, report it as an Issue
[23:37] <Polymorphism> I'm sure there is no issue or bug
[23:37] <t3chguy> Issue is a vague term on Github
[23:37] <Polymorphism> I'll try it
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[23:45] <sockofleas> hi
[23:45] <sockofleas> im trying to install raspbian wheezy
[23:45] <Tenkawa> greetings
[23:45] <sockofleas> jessie i mean
[23:45] <sockofleas> how long is this command supposed to take: sudo dd bs=1m if=path_of_your_image.img of=/dev/rdiskn
[23:45] <ozzzy_> Chaka, when the walls fell.
[23:46] <Tenkawa> sockofleas: depends on your computer and sd card speed itself
[23:46] <sockofleas> its possible that the microsd is very slow
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[23:46] <Tenkawa> then it could take a while...
[23:46] <sockofleas> but its been going for quite some time now
[23:47] <sockofleas> hard to say exactly when i started it, but it feels like half an hour
[23:47] <sockofleas> could it really take that long for just 3gb?
[23:47] <Tenkawa> you can use kill -SIGUSR1 procoess of dd to have it output current input/ouput amount
[23:47] <Tenkawa> yes
[23:47] <sockofleas> is it possible for me to see the log to make sure its working?
[23:47] <Tenkawa> that kill will output how much it has done and what speed its going
[23:47] <Tenkawa> emphasis on the -SIGUSR1
[23:47] <sockofleas> that wont stop it though right?
[23:47] <Tenkawa> no
[23:47] <ShorTie> showing us a abstract command is hard to tell if it is messed up
[23:48] <Tenkawa> it wont
[23:48] <sockofleas> just to confirm, the command is: kill -SIGUSR1
[23:48] <Tenkawa> kill -SIGUSR1 PID
[23:48] <sockofleas> what is pid
[23:48] <Tenkawa> and look at the tty of the dd controlling process
[23:48] <Hitechcg> In the latest dd they added status=progredd
[23:48] <Tenkawa> process id
[23:48] <Tenkawa> Hitechcg: oh really? nice
[23:48] <sockofleas> do i have to enter something for that?
[23:48] <Hitechcg> But unless you're on Arch it probably isn't that dd vesion
[23:49] <Tenkawa> sockofleas: yes do a ps auxw | grep dd first
[23:49] <Tenkawa> do you have a dd line showing it writing that file?
[23:49] <sockofleas> i have no idea what you're talking about
[23:49] <Tenkawa> oh
[23:49] <Tenkawa> you are running this from linux right?
[23:49] <Hitechcg> *progress
[23:50] <sockofleas> mac
[23:50] <Hitechcg> oh
[23:50] <Tenkawa> hmm... not sure if osx's proc filesystem has that signal either
[23:50] <Tenkawa> anyone know offhand?
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[23:50] <Tenkawa> been too long since I fired up my mac
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[23:52] <Tenkawa> sockofleas: I would not be surprised at all its taking that long
[23:52] <sockofleas> okay
[23:52] <sockofleas> it was a shitty no name brand too
[23:52] <sockofleas> the card
[23:53] <Tenkawa> if it does take enough time to a point where you want to try it heres what to do
[23:53] <Tenkawa> use a terminal
[23:53] <Tenkawa> do
[23:53] <sockofleas> this isnt my first time with the pi: on saturday, i was going to use the pi but found a crack in my micro sd, so i had to get a new one and reinstall everything
[23:53] <Tenkawa> ps auxw | grep dd
[23:53] <Tenkawa> get the output
[23:53] <Tenkawa> theres a process id in thete
[23:53] <Tenkawa> er there
[23:53] <Tenkawa> try that real quick
[23:53] <sockofleas> Tenkawa: are those 2 separate commands?
[23:53] <Tenkawa> does it output anything?
[23:53] <Tenkawa> no
[23:53] <Tenkawa> ps auxw | grep dd one line
[23:54] <Tenkawa> in the terminal window
[23:54] <sockofleas> yeah it says a bunch of stuff
[23:54] <Tenkawa> just one line/entry though right?
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[23:54] <sockofleas> no
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[23:55] <sockofleas> there are 10
[23:55] <Tenkawa> OH
[23:55] <Tenkawa> are they *dd*
[23:55] <sockofleas> 10 rows, several more columns
[23:55] <Tenkawa> or JUST dd
[23:55] <sockofleas> dd?
[23:55] <Tenkawa> you only care about the line that the last column is that dd comand you ran
[23:55] <sockofleas> let me do a pastebin for u
[23:55] <Tenkawa> dd if=jcmgcvkyfg
[23:55] <Tenkawa> ok
[23:56] <Tenkawa> that'll help
[23:56] <sockofleas> http://pastebin.com/jyuefBeh
[23:57] <Tenkawa> ok found it
[23:57] <Tenkawa> if you get to the point where you dont mind it possibly ending the process
[23:57] <Tenkawa> do sudo kill -SIGUSR1 43449
[23:58] <Tenkawa> in a terminal window
[23:58] <Tenkawa> it will either output info in the other window or end the process
[23:58] <Tenkawa> I honestly cant remember how a mac will respond
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[23:59] <ShorTie> killall -9 dd wouldn't work ??
[23:59] <Tenkawa> ShorTie: be nice

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